[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Press release

Sat Dec 28 13:58:50 UTC 2013

How interesting Rohn,

Who were these " two dozen people " ?

Name two !

Just for the record, I have only attended two AWARE meetings since it was 
established because of Sunday schedule conflicts.

I am however guilty of stating my opinions on the Peace Discuss list over 
the years and at times I have debated various people on various issues.
For that I make no appologies.
Debate is a necessary part of free speech at times and should not be ssen as 
a negative.
If someone is " driven away " because of a difference of opinion then they 
probably should seriously consider the accuracy of their facts and the 
strength of their convictions.

But this is beside the point Rohn,

Yaqov has yet to answer my question to him, which is ; " what are HIS views 
on a peaceful settlement of the middle east conflict, in particular the 
Palastinian - Israeli conflict " ?

David Johnson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rohn Koester" <rohnkoester at gmail.com>
To: "Karen Aram" <karenaram at hotmail.com>; <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Press release

Karen, I have to admit that I wasn't sure to whom you were referring
when you wrote this. I suppose it was meant to be Ya'aqov? Just as a
matter of fact, I've talked with probably two dozen people in the
community who used to be members of AWARE but say they were driven
away by rude, disruptive, calculated behavior on the part of Carl,
Wayne, and/or David. These are unsolicited accounts, usually told to
me when I've mentioned AWARE, and the general attitude of the accounts
has been corroborated by several people who are still active members
of AWARE. Much of this has reminded me of the sort of
avoidance/compensation behavior that families of alcoholics engage in.

I don't think anyone would claim the peace-discuss listserv really has
many discussions at this point, not because there aren't differences
of opinion but because the likelihood of these differences being given
any sort of respectful treatment seems pretty low. I wonder if someone
could describe the peace-discuss listserv's standards of conduct and
how they're enforced. For instance, Wayne's message about Ya'aqov from
a few hours ago made no attempt to address the political subject under
discussion, and it seemed quite abusive in tone. Should this sort of
comment be given the same access to the listserv as comments with
substance?

I'm glad to have this conversation in person if it's better for
everyone -- which bar do you all plan to be meeting at this Sunday?

Thanks,
Rohn

On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> At one time they followed the below, today they simply criticize, agitate,
> disrupt, and/or slander in an effort to discredit those who are involved 
> in
> attempting to change the system.  Somehow insisting they can do or think
> better. When given the opportunity to do, they don't. It then becomes
> obvious who and what they are, time and time again they will go after
> individuals and groups and its always the same, instead of working to 
> change
> whats wrong they go after those that are, by wearing them down or just
> boring them to death. It's one of those things you can't really discribe,
> but you know it when you see or hear it.
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> The technical term:
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> An agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is an undercover agent
> who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or
> falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act. An agent 
> provocateur
> may be employed by the police or other entity to discredit or harm another
> group (e.g., peaceful protest or demonstration) by provoking them to 
> commit
> an act - thus, undermining the protest or demonstration as whole.
> To prevent infiltration by agents provocateurs,[1] the organizers of large
> or controversial assemblies may deploy and coordinate demonstration
> marshals, also called stewards.[2][3]
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> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:31:38 -0600
> From: yaaqovz at gmail.com
> To: davegreen84 at yahoo.com
> CC: peace-discuss at anti-war.net;
> discuss-communitycourtwatch at lists.chambana.net; peace at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace] Press release
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> David Green,
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> Indeed, the meeting I referred to was at CPL a panel you were on. My
> specific question to Dr Abu Al-Aish at UFL, was about Vittorio Arrigoni 
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> his assassination by Hamas. The level of your purposeful misquoting my
> statements at that and other meetings critically disappoints me. If this 
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> what an academic does when getting into politics, don't we have such
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> Your ethnic profiling of me is indicative of the depth you would apply to
> someone challenging your standpoint. You would think, it's your campaign
> related need to tarnish one's image and trivialize her/his comments. 
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> all, you are trying so hard to show you are concerned and involved with 
> your
> potential voters (yet in the face of disagreements, you do whatever it 
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> to defend your ticket, it's a mere technicality to pass over a hurdle).
> Did you really need to embed your reply with offensive remarks, character
> assassination attempts?  isn’t Rush Limbaugh an excellent spokesperson for
> doing that already?
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> And you haven’t answered yet my question: what you considered Palestinians
> (?) other than by implying they are those people that Israelis have been
> been horrible with.  Mind you, you propose no change about that,
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