[Peace-discuss] (no subject)

Tue Jan 8 00:24:15 UTC 2013

No arguement there Carl.

David J.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
To: "David Johnson" <dlj725 at microsoft.com>
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> David--
>
> I agree with you on the rejection of Ron Paul's economic policies. (They 
> did however lead him to some correct positions, e.g. rejecting Wall St. 
> bailouts.)
>
> And I'm not proposing a Tea Party/Left alliance. I'm saying that it should 
> have been the Left that organized, supported, and spoke for the second 
> group noted below, rather than abandoning them to the first group.  --CGE
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2013, at 5:14 PM, David Johnson <dlj725 at microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I disagree with Ron Paul's economic policies that would continue to allow 
>> people to unnecessarily die every year from from the pay or die private 
>> health insurance industry and big pharma as well as privatatizing social 
>> security.
>>
>> Here in lies the problem Carl for a tea-party REAL Left alliance.
>>
>> David J.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Carl G. Estabrook
>> To: ewj at pigsqq.org
>> Cc: Peace-discuss ; sf-core
>> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] (no subject)
>>
>> The Tea Party has always been two things:
>>
>> (1) an astro-turf campaign cynically funded by neoliberal CEOs to destroy 
>> the vestiges of the welfare state; and
>>
>> (2) a popular movement of those with real economic grievances against the 
>> 21st century US economy.
>>
>> Its existence testifies to the craven failure of left-liberals to 
>> organize the second group and press for a free cooperative economy:
>>
>> see Chris Hedges "The Death of the Liberal Class."
>>
>> Good liberals are instead celebrating the filthy military and economic 
>> policies of the current administration.
>>
>> They are the real ideological enemy, not the Tea Party, because they are 
>> the real and effective minions of the 1%.
>>
>> --CGE
>>
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 8:13 AM, E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森 <ewj at pigsqq.org> wrote:
>>
>>> This is a fairly mean-spirited bit of writing with a bit
>>> too much uncontrolled mockery, but it is not far from
>>> the truth in many points.
>>>
>>> I am not sure that Rand Who? is a "Christian Zionist",
>>> but he definitely has shown some neoconnish attitudes.
>>>
>>> I don't like Rand Paul.
>>>
>>> I don't like him at all.  He has sought money from neocon people that
>>> I would not want to associate with and praised some people I despise,
>>> like Romney, for instance.
>>>
>>> But am a huge fan of his principled old man.
>>>
>>> A lot of those who supported Ron Paul don't much care for his son.
>>>
>>> Ron Paul was an ob/gyn.
>>>
>>> Rand Paul is an eye doctor.
>>> He seems to be in need of some help with his own eyes.
>>> He's no doubt beyond the help of Jackson Browne or Harry.
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>> I am not so sure that the progressives ought to be so strongly
>>> railing against the Tea Party.  That middle-class tax increase
>>> is going to come right out of everybody's ass pocket, and
>>> most working people dont have an extra thousand or two they would
>>> like to send to Uncle Sam.
>>>
>>> I aint so sure this big government thing is everything its whacked up to 
>>> be.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/07/13 20:38, David Johnson wrote:
>>>> by Richard Mellor
>>>>
>>>> I see the Christian Zionist and Tea Bagger NeoCon Rand Paul is in 
>>>> Israel affirming his support for the land where Jesus will return.
>>>>
>>>> Paul, like his father is a doctor (I wonder if he receives Medicare 
>>>> money) and will no doubt by-pass Gaza.  No one wants to have to look at 
>>>> victims living in concentration camps for fear of having to do 
>>>> something about it. Paul supports the right to life but not for 
>>>> Palestinian children. Paul’s trip is funded by the American Family 
>>>> Association, and organized by “evangelical kingmaker David Lane and 
>>>> former pharmaceuticals executive Richard Roberts, a prominent member of 
>>>> the Orthodox Jewish community who donates heavily to the GOP” according 
>>>> to Business Insider. Politics makes strange bedfellows as the saying 
>>>> goes. I don’t suppose Paul will remind the Jews there that they will 
>>>> burn in hell if they don’t convert to his religion when Jesus gets 
>>>> back. I suppose the evangelical organizations that make this happen are 
>>>> tax-exempt not being political. This is a religious pilgrimage no 
>>>> doubt.
>>>>
>>>> Paul is looking at a presidential run next election as a Republican and 
>>>> is looking for support; after all, Obama raised $1 billion.   For that 
>>>> he needs to schmooze with American Zionists and the powerful pro Israel 
>>>> lobby, AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee.)
>>>>
>>>> He will be meeting this week with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin 
>>>> Netanyahu, President Shimon Peres, as well as other influential people 
>>>> favored by Washington and the Pentagon, president of the Palestinian 
>>>> Authority Mahmoud Abbas and former king of Saudi Arabia Abdulluh, one 
>>>> of the family of theocratic thugs that runs the country. Abdullah is 
>>>> one of the world’s wealthiest individuals at about $21 billion 
>>>> according to Forbes.  He is also considered one of the world’s worst 
>>>> dictators but that’s never stopped US presidents and politicians 
>>>> before. After 911 Saudi royals got a cheap flight out of the US.  Gays, 
>>>> women and other religions are not the favorite of these thugs and 
>>>> Unions are a definite no-no. The whole group, Rand included, is like 
>>>> the employment line for the job with Hedley Lamarr in Blazing saddles, 
>>>> barring the two at the end of the line that is.
>>>>
>>>> Rand, like Obama and Madonna before him won’t be chatting with Hamas, 
>>>> the freely elected government of the concentration camp we know as 
>>>> Gaza.  Hamas are “terrorists” says Washington and too cruel to talk to.
>>>>
>>>> How could he meet with Hamas? Paul is a doctor and values human life 
>>>> which is why he opposes abortion and supports a Human Life Amendment 
>>>> that would overturn Roe V Wade.  It shouldn't surprise anyone, 
>>>> defending Herman Cain during his scandal he complained that, "these 
>>>> days it seems like women can’t take a joke." If he’s like his 
>>>> Libertarian daddy he would also support workers organizing but not 
>>>> forcing employers to increase wages through withholding our Labor 
>>>> power, that’s terrorism too isn’t it?
>>>>
>>>> Paul wants small government and opposes government involvement in 
>>>> health care. Health care is best served by market forces like most of 
>>>> society’s needs. He likes medicine being a business as he is in the 
>>>> medical business himself. Paul also supports the misnamed Right to Work 
>>>> legislation that is aimed at keeping workers from organizing for better 
>>>> wages and conditions.  He should get along well with King Abdullah.
>>>>
>>>> By my estimation, some 140 million Americans opted out of the electoral 
>>>> process last election.  I wonder why.
>>>>
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