[Peace-discuss] [Peace] impt: urge Rep. Davis sign Price/Dent letter, Iran diplomacy opening on Iranian election
"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
ewj at pigsqq.org
Thu Jul 11 02:27:49 UTC 2013
Carl,
Can't you see we're busy with these Deck Chairs?
We can't be bothered by your distracting notions of some damn icebergs.
On 07/11/13 10:07, Robert Naiman wrote:
> I don't want you to stay quiet about U.S. imperialism. I want you to
> stop interfering in my efforts to get people to take action.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Carl G. Estabrook
> <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>
> As I said, such a call to Rep. Davis' office might be worthwhile.
> (You might remind him that he replaced a representative who
> regularly voted against any more money for war in the Greater
> Middle East, and suggest that he do the same.)
>
> But it is surely at least inaccurate to speak of "U.S. efforts to
> secure a negotiated nuclear agreement." As you well know, there is
> already such an agreement - the Non-Proliferation Treaty - which
> Iran observes, while US clients are not signatories. US efforts
> are directed to destroying the Iranian economy because the oil
> flow from Iran is not under US control. And the US for years has
> successfully blocked "a negotiated nuclear agreement" that would
> establish a nuclear-free zone in the Mideast.
>
> Obama's own position on the matter was set out when he ran for the
> Senate from Illinois, and he's never changed it: "…the United
> States should not rule out military strikes to destroy nuclear
> production sites in Iran, Obama said … ‘having a radical Muslim
> theocracy in possession of nuclear weapons is worse [than] us
> launching some missile strikes into Iran…’ he said."
>
> In these circumstances, accepting the administration's propaganda
> about what it's doing vis-a-vis Iran would seem to me
> inappropriate at best.
>
> Regards, Carl
>
> PS - I don't quite understand your comment about a "personal FBI
> agent" - you can't mean what it seems to mean - but I do know that
> there are a number of people (including some comrades in the local
> antiwar movement) who don't think I've managed to stay quiet, and
> wish I would...
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Robert Naiman
> <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:
>
>> Is it a choice? Am I stopping anyone from standing anyone from
>> standing on their soapbox and denouncing the Empire?
>>
>> Would it be so horrible if a few people took 15 seconds to call
>> Rep. Davis to ask him to sign a letter for diplomacy with Iran?
>>
>> How is it that you manage to stay quiet for weeks, until I try to
>> speak?
>>
>> It's like I have my own personal FBI agent.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Carl G. Estabrook
>> <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> But even if most members of Congress are "worse that the
>> Obama administration on this issue," that's hardly a reason
>> to accept Obama's lies. "You don't stick a knife in a man's
>> back nine inches and then pull it out six inches and say
>> you're making progress."
>>
>> Or to carry out the 1939 analogy, a letter then to the
>> members of the Reichstag that said, "I urge you to stop
>> yammering on about the Polish threat to Germany" would not
>> have got many signatures - but to say anything else would
>> have been at best inaccurate.
>>
>> It would seem better to tell Americans about the
>> administration's propaganda about Iran than to accept it and
>> suggest moderation.
>>
>> --CGE
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Robert Naiman
>> <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Most Members of Congress are worse than the Obama
>>> Administration on this issue, thanks to AIPAC and friends. A
>>> Congressional letter that said, "I urge you to stop
>>> yammering on about Iran's nuclear program because it doesn't
>>> threaten the United States" would get zero signers, not even
>>> Barbara Lee would sign that.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Carl G. Estabrook
>>> <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe this would be worthwhile, Bob, but the problem is
>>> that it accepts the Obama administration's consciously
>>> false description of the issue.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be something like urging the German
>>> government in the summer of 1939 "to pursue the
>>> potential opportunity presented by Poland's recent
>>> presidential election by reinvigorating German efforts
>>> to secure a negotiated agreement to end the threat from
>>> Poland"?
>>>
>>>
>>> --CGE
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Robert Naiman
>>> <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear fellow Champaign-Urbana area lovers of peace,
>>>>
>>>> Once in a blue moon, there's a good opportunity to push
>>>> Congress in a good direction on diplomacy with Iran.
>>>> Most of the time, it's like that scene from the Matrix
>>>> where Morpheus shows Neo what the world really looks
>>>> like. But every once in a while, there's an opening.
>>>>
>>>> Right now, there's an opening, because of three things.
>>>>
>>>> One, Iran just had a presidential election. To the
>>>> surprise of many, the candidate who won, Rouhani, was
>>>> the candidate saying, hey, let's try to get along
>>>> better with the West.
>>>>
>>>> Two: there's a bipartisan letter in Congress to
>>>> President Obama saying, hey! We noticed that Iran just
>>>> had a presidential election. We noticed that the guy
>>>> who was saying, hey, let's try to get along better with
>>>> the West, was the guy who won. So, like, why don't we
>>>> try to test things with the new guy with diplomacy
>>>> before jacking up the confrontation again?
>>>>
>>>> Three: this letter is being supported by groups in DC
>>>> that have been pushing for diplomacy with Iran,
>>>> including the Friends Committee on National
>>>> Legislation, the National Iranian American Council, and
>>>> J Street. And also CREDO.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, as is often the case with these things, there
>>>> is a special effort to try to get Republicans to sign
>>>> the letter, because only 15% of the current signers are
>>>> Republicans. And that means that Rep. Davis is special,
>>>> because in the set of Republicans, he's a plausible
>>>> target. Voted for McGovern's recent amendment on
>>>> Afghanistan withdrawal, for example.
>>>>
>>>> So here's my request:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Please call Rep. Davis' office in DC at (202)
>>>> 225-2371 <tel:%28202%29%20225-2371>, ask to talk
>>>> to Kaitlyn Hastings, who's the Foreign Policy LA.
>>>> Probably you will get transferred to voicemail. Fine.
>>>> Leave a message with your name and address, asking that
>>>> Rep. Davis sign the Price/Dent letter calling for
>>>> President Obama "to pursue the potential opportunity
>>>> presented by Iran's recent presidential election by
>>>> reinvigorating U.S. efforts to secure a negotiated
>>>> nuclear agreement."
>>>>
>>>> 2. Please send me a note letting me know that you've
>>>> called. I'm trying to get folks in DC to push on Davis,
>>>> and I want to be able to say, X people in the district
>>>> have called.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Please forward this note to other folks you know who
>>>> might call. If you know folks in the district outside
>>>> of Champaign-Urbana who might call, (e.g. Decatur,
>>>> Bloomington, Springfield) forwarding this note to them
>>>> would be especially helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> P.S. The text of the letter is here:
>>>> http://fcnl.org/issues/iran/diplomacy_with_iran_letter/
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Robert Naiman
>>>> Policy Director
>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>> <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/>
>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>> <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>>>>
>>>> _
>>>
>
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> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
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