[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!
"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
ewj at pigsqq.org
Mon Jul 15 14:17:02 UTC 2013
perhaps there are two or 3 things that motivate me to comment
on the peace-discuss list. 1) I find the list interesting;
2) there's another expat down the road a couple thousand klicks
that still makes some effort to change things, so he encourages me;
3) the influence of the US on the global situation. Bernanke moves
his pen and a peasant in Guizhou moves in response. Spooky action
at a distance. Seems worthwhile trying to modify it a little.
*
On 07/15/13 22:05, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" wrote:
> I do feel lucky to be where I am right now.
> Sometimes I do wonder why I should participate at all
> any more in any USA issues.
>
> *
>
> I'd like to see Occupy! rejuvenated or revived or revisited.
>
> Something that could be referred to as a Critical Mass has got to be
> achieved. Some have called it getting to a Tipping Point.
> Like-minded people have got to come together.
>
> It needs to be better organized, better funded, and more
> attractive to those with real influence in the society.
> There needs to be planning and provision for the needs of
> large groups people coming together. There needs to be
> some security muscle to keep minimum order inside and prevent
> disruptive elements from outside.
>
> There should be a consensus agenda that resonates with what the
> people are feeling in their hearts. It needs to draw enough
> people who are tired enough of what is going down that they
> are willing to do something to stop it. It should draw together
> people from different aspects of the sociopolitical spectrum to
> share their ideas, and some how be immune to the co-opting by
> the money and influence peddling of the oligarchy and the MSM.
>
> *
>
> United States and its constitutive elements should be responsive and
> responsible
> to the people. Presently the political system operates primarily as a
> well-entrenched oligarchy
> protected by ballot access laws and various other props, chicanery and
> shenanigans
> that game the system for the benefit of a few. The oligarchy must be
> evicted
> by whatever means prove necessary to accomplish their overthrow,
> preferably through
> legal channels.
>
> A general re-empowerment of the people to make their own choices,
> good, bad, or indifferent.
> Establish new institutions to truly help people not just be profit
> centres.
> Untangle bureaucracy and cut through red tape with the machete of
> common sense.
> Transparency in government to be the order of the day.
> Stop those who prey upon the poor and unprivileged.
> Stop vicious cycles that entrap the poor and the unlucky.
>
> A pact against violence. The natural response is to use force. A
> bloody revolution
> is unlikely to achieve desirable goals. However there has to be
> meaningful
> resistance and that can only be gotten legitimately by working through
> legitimate channels.
> Ya need the police on your side so that they can't make you leave.
>
> Release from the prisons those who have been imprisoned for many
> non-violent crimes.
> Replace the punitive incarceration system with a choice of
> reparative/restorative justice.
> Abolish ridiculous tort claims that do nothing for consumer protection
> but
> dramatically increase costs for the many at the benefit of a very few.
>
> If ya don't know that coffee is hot...?
>
> Cui bono? should be the litmus test of regulation.
>
> Nader, et al. came up with a consensus agenda for national action in
> 2008 that
> still looks pretty good to me, remarkably prescient in its present
> applicability.
> Some updating to the present situation is needed.
>
> Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with
> removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the
> return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan,
> Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda,
> threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we
> re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to
> talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all
> who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear
> first strike against all nations.
>
> Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all
> persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the
> Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation.
> We must reject the notion and practice of torture, eliminations of
> habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny
> immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the
> benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the
> illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.
>
> The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the
> national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is
> unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our
> dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place
> this burden on a future generation.
>
> The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and
> audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with
> the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The
> arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind
> closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended.
> There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate
> subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their
> crimes and frauds.
>
> We support opening up the debates beyond the two parties and the
> Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD), a private corporation
> co-chaired by former chairmen of the Republican and Democratic Party.
> It is time for our Presidential Debates to once again be hosted by a
> truly non-partisan civic-minded association.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 07/15/13 11:52, Karen Aram wrote:
>> Wayne
>>
>> Ok, you have the info, in Beijing, lucky you, out of the fray.
>> People of substance rarely watch tv, certainly don't get their news
>> from it.
>> You're acurate, when it comes to critique on most counts, not all,
>> but you make assumptions about those who are attempting to change the
>> system locally.
>> Your delivery is rude, and insensitive to others. You enjoy that.
>> It leads me to question your intentions, you give the impression of
>> someone who doesn't want to see progress when you disparage and
>> discourage others.
>> The only real way any change can come about is for people to start on
>> a local level, and build up and out, and they are doing just that.
>>
>> Maybe we're beyond hope, but should we pass our cynicism onto the young?
>> How about offering some solutions, suggestions as to what we should
>> be doing, but nicely.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:19:58 +0800
>> From: ewj at pigsqq.org
>> To: karenaram at hotmail.com
>> CC: niloofar.peace at gmail.com; rachelstrm at gmail.com;
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!
>>
>> I reside in Beijing presently.
>>
>> I pretty much have the same access to info that you have but the
>> opinion shaping is not force fed to me as it would be if I
>> were in the USA.
>>
>> I don't watch TV much. I got out of the TV habit some 40 years ago
>> but I am aware that there are people who do watch TV and have I dabbled
>> with it.
>>
>> I have followed the incidents with Assange, Snowden, Manning, that
>> guy they
>> blew up his car in California cant think of his name right now and
>> too lazy to
>> look in up, the Tsarnev bros, etc., Zimmerman, etc.
>>
>> The call goes out both far and near for - - -.
>>
>> I think it is reprehensible that the USA has more people in jail than
>> any other
>> country in the world by any statistical measure.
>>
>> Those of you who want "justice"
>> for Martin seem to love Big Sibling more than B.S. loves itself.
>>
>> Jailing another person by the Over-dogs is Justice?
>>
>> Justice?
>>
>> Nay, Revenge.
>>
>> A scapegoat to atone for your sorry and pathetic existences
>> and carry them off into the dessert. Cheesecake, please.
>>
>> A capacitor to suck off the back EMF harmlessly to ground.
>>
>> Kicking dogs is out-of-vogue. Hammer time for the carpenters.
>>
>> I just tell it as I see it. Why should that piss you off?
>>
>> Do you want to switch sides in this debate and see if I still piss
>> you off?
>> Is it me that pisses you or is it what I am saying? Or the way I say it?
>>
>> Which senseless killing is that your fearless leaders are going to stop?
>>
>> The killing of babies by the frenetic Lady Macbeth harpies of abortion?
>> Hey, Pilate. Throw 'em yer towel.
>>
>> The mass murders at the hand of the American Empire?
>>
>> Those minorities shooting each other in Chicago?
>>
>> How?
>>
>> By disarming the people and leaving them completely
>> helpless against those who make merchandise of them day and night?
>>
>> Is Occupy! working for the 1%?
>>
>> Seriously...
>>
>> Is it?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/15/13 9:29, Karen Aram wrote:
>>
>> Nilofar, I second that, well said. What so many are thinking.
>>
>> I just came from the "protest/gathering in Champaign", it was a
>> discussion with impressive speakers. The leaders know exactly
>> what to do to prevent the senseless killings in the future, They
>> are impressive folks. They advised us to "get involved with the
>> community, get on one of the many Boards or Councils, and become
>> politically active." That is the only way to counteract the power
>> of ALEC and the NRA. In the meantime they will warn their
>> children how to keep a low profile so as not to be targeted if
>> such a thing is possible, how sad, so much for childhood.
>>
>> Wayne you are in Dalian? Even in Shanghai one has limited access
>> to information and facts of such happenings in the US. Your
>> attempt to irritate/piss people off is effective. Your attempts
>> to prevent them from proceeding in their goals to achieve
>> progress are not.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:50:51 +0800
>> From: ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>
>> To: niloofar.peace at gmail.com <mailto:niloofar.peace at gmail.com>
>> CC: karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>;
>> rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>;
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; peace at anti-war.net
>> <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>>
>> Absolutely Zimmerman was functioning as a sort of vigilante
>> doing a community watch. I would agree that this sort of
>> community patrolling by civilian is a variety of vigilante-ism
>> and is bound to lead ultimately to conflict between the watcher
>> and those watched. The community watcher has all of the
>> responsibility of a cop but not the authority of one.
>>
>> Vigilantes like Zimmerman are not subject to the rules that
>> may sometimes restrain the police. I would not count on those rules
>> in Florida. One of my friends a white guy got the literal piss
>> beat out
>> of him by a Florida cop. He was profiled by his out-of-state
>> license plate. The only thing for him to do was to get his ass
>> the hell out of Florida and tend his bruises.
>>
>> Profiling is applied epidemiology, a narrowing of the use of
>> resources.
>> Similar knowledge about rats stopped the black plague.
>> (Now, that IS an unfortunate analogy!)
>>
>> Does this sort of talk stress you out?
>> Go to the root cause.
>>
>> Profiling is an inevitable part of surveillance.
>> Who among us likes surveillance?
>> Where there is a perceived threat there is bound
>> to be surveillance. In applied epidemiology it is
>> sometimes called HACCP (hazard analysis/critical control point).
>>
>> Since the George Zimmermen and the Deputy Dawgs of
>> the world do not stop and cavity search every person,
>> there is profiling to establish probable cause.
>> Zimmerman made a Terry Stop. Do we like Terry Stops?
>>
>> Look at her. She's groovy. Yeah. Check out that
>> spade. He's groovy. Yeah all spades are groovy.
>> Look at that. She's not groovy. Uh huh.
>> Check out her body paint.
>> An oldie. Faded San Franscisco art nouveau.
>> Check out her stash. Aspirin.
>> Send her in.
>>
>> *
>>
>> >From my perspective, y'all are pursuing George because he
>> is one of many white carpenters in an perceived army of
>> Zimmerpersons.
>> Easy pickin's. Low hanging fruit for social reformers.
>>
>> >From my perspective, Martin and Zimmerman (good Mennonite names,
>> eh?) are
>> both part of the 99%. Zimmerman is part of the 99%. What social
>> good is
>> there if Occupy! pursues the 99%? Zimmerman sure 'nuf ain't part
>> of the
>> 1%, now is he?
>>
>> Go ahead and lynch Zimmerman. He's one of y'all.
>> Not because he is white or black or a rat or a flea or
>> Yersinia pestis.
>>
>> The challenge for OCCUPY! (as I see it) is to see the man
>> behind the curtain and go after him.
>>
>> Some of y'all seem intent on joining the media circus.
>> Enjoy your bread (or is it 'crackers'?)
>> they supply you, but surely there
>> has got to be something better and more useful.
>>
>> *
>> You say vigilante as if it is a bad thing.
>> OCCUPY! is a vigilante organization if it is anything at all.
>>
>> What?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/15/13 6:56, Niloofar Shambayati wrote:
>>
>> Zimmerman is a vigilante and nothing else. His suspicion was
>> based on making assumptions based on a bigoted racial
>> profiling that puts NYPD to shame, which in turn easily led
>> to murdering Trayvon. Negative profiling directly leads to
>> either dehumanizing the other or taking their individuality
>> away from them. In either case, you see one mass of the same
>> thing, the way Nazis portrayed the Jews, the way most Israeli
>> Jews view the Palestinians, and the way our troops commit
>> horrible acts of violence against Afghans and Iraqis. Thus
>> for a hateful Zimmerman, Trayvon was just a profile, a
>> microscopic part of the mass of "good-for--nothing, dangerous
>> young black men." The vegetarian, animal-rights woman, who I
>> am, uses the same logic, when encountering a fly or a
>> mosquito that bothers me and justifies its killing.
>>
>> The people who profile Trayvon's parents as
>> "blood-thirsty/greedy" black people, are no better than
>> Zimmerman
>>
>> Niloofar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
>> <ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>> wrote:
>>
>> The Martin/Zimmerman incident is not like the
>> Champaign Police shootings of young black men.
>>
>> Zimmerman may be an asshole or not. I am not sure.
>> Most but not all cops and wannabee cops are
>> indeed quasi-assholes. Not all.
>>
>> But clearly Zimmerman was attacked, and on that basis he
>> has been set free, because of the self-defense argument.
>> The cause of the dispute betwen Martin and Zimmerman
>> becomes irrelevant when Zimmerman is attacked.
>>
>> It's not like Zimmerman just pulled out his gun and
>> Oba-nam Style executed him because he was wearing a hoodie.
>> The law permits people to have encounters and disagreement.
>> When it erupts into physical violence particularly
>> life-threatening
>> violence, then a line is crossed. The situation was
>> examined very clearly.
>>
>> Justice my ass.
>> It's not justice that they are crying for.
>> It's blood.
>> They want an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth
>> They want blood for bloodshed.
>>
>> Well, actually what they want is Money.
>>
>> But since there isn't any money available,
>> they'll settle for a few pints of blood,
>> and several ounces of testicular flesh if that
>> becomes available.
>>
>> It is really a disgusting distraction for a noble movement
>> like Occupy! to get down and grub for cooties
>> with the blood-lust crowd.
>>
>>
>> On 07/14/13 22:02, Karen Aram wrote:
>>
>> Rachel
>>
>> After today's AWARE meeting at 5:00, I will be
>> attending the protest, bringing a neighbor as well.
>> Trayvon Marvin represents the many young black men
>> from Emmet Till, Jimmie Lee Jackson, Robert Hall
>> etc., etc. murdered because of their race, with the
>> perpetrators so obviously being acquitted by unjust
>> laws and or decisions.
>>
>> Karen Aram
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:51:39 -0500
>> To: sdas-current at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:sdas-current at googlegroups.com>;
>> sdas-list at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:sdas-list at googlegroups.com>;
>> occupyCU at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>;
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
>> peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>>
>> Hey folks---If anyone has heard of another demo being
>> planned, I'm happy to send notices out, cancel this
>> one, and redirect people there. I've contacted a
>> number of African-American led organizations in town
>> and can't seem to tell if something is already in the
>> works. Either way, I'm happy to help try and get the
>> word out and then redirect if need be.
>>
>> Okay, here's what I got to start.
>> https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>>
>> Please forward widely.
>>
>> *No Justice, No Peace x Protest the Verdict
>> *
>> *Sunday, July 14th, 2013 | 6pm-8pm*
>> *Douglass Park | 512 E. Grove St. Champaign*
>> "George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer
>> who fatally shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black
>> teenager, igniting a national debate on racial
>> profiling and civil rights, was found not guilty late
>> Saturday night of second-degree murder." We will
>> stand together in Champaign-Urbana to demand
>> accountability, to stand against racial injustice,
>> and to protest the verdict that proved the injustice
>> of the system. We stand with Trayvon’s family and we
>> know that we are called to act---to fight for civil
>> rights and for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws
>> in every state, and we will not rest until racial
>> profiling in all its forms is outlawed. Today we
>> mourn, but tomorrow we organize. #blacklivesmatter
>>
>> Bring your friends, your family, your children, your
>> neighbors. We stand together as a community--all of
>> us. Art, protest signs, candles, and messages of
>> outrage/hope/love/solidarity are encouraged.
>> *Share on Facebook:
>> *https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rachel Storm
>> <rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think we need an emergency demonstration
>> tomorrow in response to the Zimmerman verdict to
>> show that Urbana community
>> members/activists/folks in solidarity do not
>> stand for this outrageous demonstration of injustice.
>>
>> Can we plan to meet somewhere very public
>> tomorrow (Sunday) at 6pm-ish?
>>
>> WHERE?
>>
>> Rachel
>>
>>
>>
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