[Peace-discuss] More differential application of SYG

[Laurie Solomon]

    The point is almost a truism and the same can be said for a non-jury 
system although the benefits may not always be identical; but I do fail to 
see why one has to invoke or quote William Kunstler to make the point.  His 
statement make the point in a highly obtuse way when just saying "that the 
jury system retains values that occasionally benefit even enemies of the 
state" is a much more pointed and clearer articulation of the point.

As for your statement, "For an account of how this and other hard-won 
peoples' victories are being destroyed in the 21st c. by the minions of the 
1%, see Peter Linebaugh, "The Magna Carta Manifesto: Liberties and Commons 
for All" (Cal UP 2008),"  I have no idea what the reference of the "this" in 
"how this and other hard-won peoples' victories...." is.  Does it refer to 
"the jury system," "the retained values," "the occasional benefits it 
furnishes to even enemies of the state," all of the above, or some 
combination of the above?  Or are you saying that this publication gives an 
account of how " the jury system retains values that occasionally benefit 
even enemies of the state" is a hard won people's victory which is being 
destroyed by the minions of the 1%.

-----Original Message----- 
From: C. G. Estabrook
Sent: July 17, 2013 9:22 PM
To: Laurie Solomon
Cc: Peace-discuss List ; ocCUpy
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] More differential application of SYG

The point is that the jury system retains values that occasionally benefit 
even enemies of the state.

For an account of how this and other hard-won peoples' victories are being 
destroyed in the 21st c. by the minions of the 1%, see Peter Linebaugh, "The 
Magna Carta Manifesto: Liberties and Commons for All" (Cal UP 2008).

And in this campaign Neoliberalism seems sometimes to be aided by 
well-meaning Liberals.


On Jul 17, 2013, at 11:33 AM, Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com> wrote:

> I find it interesting, telling, and disappointing that you feel little or 
> no restraint in falling back on the use of racist terms, such as”Chink,” 
> and terms colored by a biased and emotion-invoking spin, e.g., the 
> “injustice” system when you could just as easily engaged in a rational 
> civil discussion without having employing those tactics.   I also find 
> that many of your posts of recent on this and other topics have tended to 
> become very disjointed and elliptical, making them hard to follow and 
> understand.  I attribute some of this to your use of your iPhone and in 
> part to your attempt to multi-task in which you are giving little 
> attention to any of the tasks you are performing but feel compelled to 
> respond even if you cannot give the time to any detail.
>
> While I am not a big fan of CGE, I am going to give him the benefit of the 
> doubt here and assume that he was not focusing on invoking William 
> Kunstler as much as invoking the Counterpunch article that he supplied a 
> link to which does invoke Kunstler’s remark as an occasion for 
> articulating the points of the article.  Personally, I fail to see what 
> Kunstler’s comments or positions (actual or presumptively attributed to 
> him) on the jury system or ALEC orchestrated reforms have to do with 
> anything.  To do what a lot of people – including myself – seem to be 
> doing these days, I will ask a counterfactual question:  What if Kunstler 
> has said that he had no opposition to  and even supported the ALEC 
> orchestration of reforms of the judicial system and SYG; how would that 
> change anything including your position?  I would suggest that it would 
> not change anything and even suggest that the cognitive dissonance that 
> this would create would result in his comments being dismissed as 
> irrelevant, senile, or misinformed.  It is for that reason that I think 
> invoking Kunstler or his comments is a distracting irrelevancy and totally 
> unnecessary.
>
> From: Paul Mueth
> Sent: July 17, 2013 6:15 AM
> To: Peace-discuss List
> Cc: ocCUpy
> Subject: [Peace-discuss] More differential application of SYG
>
> The injustice system is rigged, another case in point
>
> http://mobile.thegrio.com/thegrio/#!/entry/71yearold-black-man-found-guilty-of-manslaughter-jury-rejects-stand,5124f9c5d7fc7b56703b5d2f
>
> The Alternet article I circulated at the beginning of this string has the 
> stats on how the Florida SYG is applied depending on the race of the 
> stander.
>
> William Kunstler invoked by CGE on the jury system would be fundamentally
> opposed, I'm sure, to the ALEC orchestrated "reforms" of the judicial 
> system, of which SYG is only one. And I guess perhaps the most deadly, at 
> least in terms of individuals.
>
>
> (Their tort reforms effectively releasing big Pharma further from 
> liability could possibly cause more damage in the long run, societally. . 
> . )
>
> Sent from my iPhone 3GS, It doesn't chat!
>>


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