[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 9/11 inside job....

Stephen Francis stephenf1113 at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 27 01:51:18 UTC 2013 

Amen brother,
And that is coming from my official capacity as a bonafide, certified member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monsters.  I'm not kidding... I'm really registered.  I think their take on the creation of the universe is just as valid as the hundreds of other creationist myths and no less provable which is a valid issue when discussing such things.
Steve Francis


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 From: E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森 <ewj at pigsqq.org>
To: David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org> 
Cc: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org>; Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 9/11 inside job....
 


The radical semicaustics and holocaustics seem to have 
similar lapses in rational thought, but they dont
claim to be rational, they thrive on contrived emotional 
responses.  They are a pitiful lot, that's for sure.

Mr Gehrig protests the matter too much and too much tries
to poison the well by playing the anti-semitism card.

There is no doubt that some of the groups that constantly 
point the finger on anti-semitism are not-quite-pure evil.
The ADL and SPLC come to mind.  I am sure that some of our
Davids in residence on this list can name some more.

For me, one thing that this whole matter and the polls point out
most clearly is that the Amerikan people are by no means in charge
of their destiny and are by-and-large a deluded and manipulated
bunch of patsies, saps, and quasi-zombies who are
kept in subservience to a powerful, wealthy, well-entrenched
oligarchy.

That is not a conspiracy theory.  It is a fact and 
it is a rational analysis of the present situation.




On 07/27/13 8:12, David Gehrig wrote: 
Yes, and you believe a lot of other bull---- too. But that's
only because of the fluoridated water sapping and impurifying your
bodily fluids. 
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>End of discussion. 
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>@%<
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>On Jul 26, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>I think your afraid to watch them (2 parts)..
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>>________________________________
>> From: David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org>
>>To: Stephen Francis
<stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> 
>>Cc: Ricky Baldwin
<rbaldwin at seiu73.org>;
Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
"davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net"
<davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> 
>>Sent: Friday, July
26, 2013 4:50 PM
>>Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 9/11 inside job....
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>>Just point me to the part that specifically disproves my
ironclad Dr. Who true facts about the Tardis evacuation. He does
address that, right?
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>>Okay, done here too. Until the next time someone hawking
Holocaust denial wanders through. 
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>>On Jul 26, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>>I'm actually very curious to know if Mr. Baldwin will
actually watch and comment on John Lear's (apologize for wrong name, he
is Bill Lear's son) videos...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaLK6XJyJcQ.
 He has no political or financial stake in presenting his thoughts on
this.  Again, will you actually watch them and also comment.
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>>>________________________________
>>> From: David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org>
>>>To: Stephen
Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> 
>>>Cc: Ricky Baldwin
<rbaldwin at seiu73.org>; Chris
Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
"davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net"
<davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> 
>>>Sent: Friday, July
26, 2013 4:29 PM
>>>Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 9/11 inside job....
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>>>It can easily be proven that Dr. Who whisked all three
thousand victims away in the Tardis. I read that on the Internet
somewhere, possibly from a proud neo-Nazi, and therefore it passes the
Stephen Francis Veracity test. Unassailably. 
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>>>Now pardon me, I've got to go fluoridate some water in order
to sap and impurity your precious bodily fluids. 
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>>>@%<
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>>>On Jul 26, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>>>Can your engineers explain how a Boeing 757 went
through only a fifteen foot wide whole in the Pentagon, while only
damaging two windows on the second floor. Photos prove this beyond
doubt. The building section did not collapse for more than a half an
hour after it was struck.  There was absolutely no damage to the lawn.
 There was no damage from massive engines...etc  on and on. Watch
videos by Bill Lear of Learjet.  I'll say it again... but with no
connection to polls.... Zionists murdered 3000 people on 9/11.
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>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Ricky Baldwin <rbaldwin at seiu73.org>
>>>>To: Stephen
Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>;
Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
"davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net"
<davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>;
occupycu <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net> 
>>>>Sent: Friday,
July 26, 2013 3:33 PM
>>>>Subject: RE:
[OccupyCU] 9/11 inside job....
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>>>>I think the question of polls is not the biggest point here.  Although
misunderstanding things like (1) how polls work, and (2) what polls
have indicated, are potentially symptoms of the same thinking, the most
worrying thing in my opinion is the continued assertion of statements
like this one:
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>>>>"It can easily be proven that Zionist's murdered 3000 people on 9/11."
[below]
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>>>>The statement is obviously nonsense if referring to the World Trade
Center.  Even if it is true that "Zionist's murdered 3000 people on
9/11" -- which they may have done in the Occupied Palestinian
Territories or somewhere, but I don't know it for a fact -- the remark
that "It can easily be proven" might as well read "The flying spaghetti
monster told me".  The meaning would seem to be that the statement
about who killed these people is clearly true and convincing evidence
shows it.  In reality, nothing of the kind is credible (like the friend
of a friend who allegedly has seen fairies, or some other incredible
thing, but never seems to show up in person with any proof) .
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>>>>There are reasons to question the US government's handling of the
attacks, and certainly its response, and maybe to doubt the official
story about what happened to the World Trade Center, at best.  Even
those claims to undermine the official story, at least the ones I've
seen, tend to be wildly exaggerated, (e.g. statements to the effect
that it is "impossible" for the airline fuel in those planes to start a
fire hot enough to bring down the buildings).
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>>>>Statements of this type are generally made by people with considerably
less education and experience in the fields involved than the community
of specialists in structural mechanics and structural engineering who
have concluded that the buildings were not destroyed by planted
explosives, but by a series of events triggered by the planes hitting
them (e.g. Bazant, Zdenek P. and Mathieu Verdure. "Mechanics of
Progressive Collapse: Learning from World Trade Center and Building
Demolitions" in Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, Volume 133,
Issue 3, pp. 308–319, March 2007).
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>>>>But even if we agree that the official story has flaws, or were wholly
untrue, this does nothing at all to prove any particular alternative
story.  I've seen arguments that George Bush planned it in order to
start a war and demolish civil liberties (in the manner of the
Reichstag fire of the early 20th century), or that Israeli agents set
bombs in the building in order to draw the poor innocent US into a war
against their enemies in the Muslim world, or oil companies such as
Unocal were behind it for reasons of piping.  Maybe it was
extraterrestrials or Belgium and the Queen of England as a ploy to
undermine US sovereignty (I haven't checked with the Larouchies). 
There is scant evidence, as far as I know, for any of these so-called
"conspiracy theories" -- much less than the evidence for the official
story, we have to admit.
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>>>>Rational people will admit whichever way the most evidence leans,
except MAYBE if they have personally witnessed something they can't
prove - and even then, enough evidence ought to suggest to a rational
being that he or she could be mistaken in what he or she believes he or
she remembers.
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>>>>Objectors to these theories often cite "Okham's razor" -- which may
appear as an appeal to unwarranted authority, but in reality the basic
idea boils down to something a fellow birdwatcher once said to me:
"What's common is common."  In other words, we might want to find a
more interesting explanation, given some uncertainty or leeway, but the
most likely scenario is generally ... you guessed it, the most likely
scenario.
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>>>>And in this case, the most likely scenario is that the government
neglected reports and other signs and possibilities - either through
incompetence or misplaced priorities, or both -- and failed to take
certain measures, INDIRECTLY allowing certain individuals to cause a
great calamity in somewhat similar ways that have led to the terrible
deaths of civilians around the world for decades -- in trains and train
stations, bars and buses, etc. -- and from which the US was largely
shielded until 2001.  Since it happened to us, we think it was
something very special, so it must have special causes.  But probably
not.
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>>>>Is the US government responsible?  Of course.  But it's responsible for
its foreign policy for decades that led to this event (thwarting
self-rule in numerous countries for the purposes of its own rich
elites, backing terror states like Israel, Iran under the Shah, Iraq
under Saddam at one time, etc.), for training terrorist guerrillas in
Afghanistan and elsewhere (many not directly related to this incident:
Nicaragua, etc.) -- and therefore for the horrific deaths of around
3000 of its own people who, perhaps most tragically, were most likely
pretty ignorant of why they were dying.
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>>>>The US government also, naturally, promotes this sort of ignorance,
about world affairs and the role of power in the world, and about what
people can do together (e.g. the myth that Rosa Parks just decided she
was too tired one day and sat down, etc.).
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>>>>And this, in my opinion, leads to the vastly more important point of
how we effect change.  If history is any guide, very little ever
happens because of few people had a good idea one day and decided to
start meeting to discuss what's wrong with the world.  People have been
doing this ever since beer became widely available, and before.  There
are some very thorough studies of how change can be brought about and
how it cannot usually happen -- e.g. by Frances Fox Piven and Richard
Cloward (Poor People's Movements, Why Americans Don't Vote, Why
Americans Still Don't Vote, Regulating the Poor), by Kate
Bronfenbrenner (Organizing to Win), Fred Ross (Conquering Goliath).
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>>>>People will come up with all sorts of explanations for why people are
not in the streets, why they don't insist on better government, and so
on, (and some of these raise good points) but the simple fact is that
people are not there because they have not been organized to be there. 
They are not doing those things because they are not organized to do
those things.  The people who run this country have one great advantage
over the rest of us - far more important in my opinion than the fact
that they are rich,  or that they control the media, the police, the
military, the legal system -- all these are secondary to the more
important fact that they are very well organized, "wall to wall" as we
say in the labor movement, -- and we are mostly not.  That is a hard
pill to swallow, but swallow it we must if we are to do what must be
done.
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>>>>Ricky
>>>>________________________________
>>>>From: OccupyCU [occupycu-bounces at lists.chambana.net]
on behalf of Stephen Francis [stephenf1113 at yahoo.com]
>>>>Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 5:47 AM
>>>>To: Chris Goodrow; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net;
occupycu
>>>>Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] 9/11 inside job....
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>>>>Chris
>>>>Yes, I have to work harder at keeping my emotions out of my beliefs
when it comes to public comments.  I don't post much, but have been
making a private effort over the last few months to consolidate my
views and prepare them for public consumption.
>>>>In fact, I've embarked on an ambitious effort to learn more mathematics
in this regard.  I was struck about a year ago by the comments by Roger
Penrose (one of the most respected living mathematicians) on his
concepts around 'truth'.  Just to be brief, Penrose lectures on three
kinds of truths: a Platonic mathematical world, a mental world and a
physical world (see book 'The Road to Reality' by Penrose.  The way
axioms, theorems and postulates are used in mathematics is a good
lesson on how to conduct one's own thoughts so as to keep conjecture
out of the conversation.  I will be more careful.
>>>>And about polls.  Yes, they are unreliable when done incorrectly, but
also can reflect the distortions and deviations from the truth that a
society has as a whole.  The American populace is one of the most duped
in the world, especially about religion (Creationism), world politics,
and Sadam Hussein... you name it.  Polls definitely reflect this.
>>>>There is a vast amount of classified information that has been withheld
from public view, including all the surveillance tapes made of the
attack on the Pentagon on 9/11.  If these and other massive amounts of
information concerning the Israelis, Saudi Arabians etc... was
released, we would not be quibbling about 20,30 or 40 percent doubting
the official version of 9/11.  Cheney, Bush, Barak, Olmert and would
all be in jail.
>>>>Steve
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>>>>________________________________
>>>>From: Chris Goodrow <c_goodrow at hotmail.com>
>>>>To: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net"
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
"davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net"
<davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:22 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: 9/11 inside job....
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>>>>30% of US citizens doubt the official story about 9/11 ---> 30% of
the world's population believe that zionists killed 3000 people on 9/11
---> inside job
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>>>>I would argue that we're not talking about a few easy steps to get from
one to the other. Also, your use of the exaggeration is very troubling
to me. If you're going to cite polls and change the wording to help
your argument, then we have a serious issue which could result in
credibility issues for what you're trying to convey. Also, as far as
doubting the official story about 9/11, what exactly does that mean
when people feel that way? I think there is a broad spectrum that
people could fall into in doubting the official story. One end of that
spectrum is that the government wasn't diligent in preventing it, which
is a far cry from being responsible for it.
>>>>
>>>>Furthermore, do you suggest that polls equate to truth?  Here are a few
polls you may find interesting.
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>>>>The Newsweek<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsweek>
magazine poll "What America Knows," conducted Princeton Survey Research
Associates International, regularly asks American citizens a wide range
of questions relating to world events both past and present, and a
number of more trivial questions of general knowledge. On five
occasions the following question has been asked:
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>>>>"Do you think Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq was directly involved in
planning, financing, or carrying out the terrorist attacks of September
11th, 2001?"
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>>>>  *  September 2003 responses: 47% Yes, 37% No, 16% not sure.
>>>>  *  January 2004 responses: 49% Yes, 39% No, 12% not sure.
>>>>  *  September 2004 responses: 42% Yes, 44% No, 14% not sure.
>>>>  *  October 2004 responses: 36% Yes, 51% No, 13% not sure.
>>>>  *  June 2007 responses: 41% Yes, 50% No, 9% not sure.
>>>>
>>>>Those are some disturbingly increasing percentages in the yes column
through the years. What should we take from that?
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>>>>There was also a poll out last year that 46% of Americans believe that
God created the human race in a single day 10,000 years ago. What's my
point? My point is that polls certainly don't change my opinion or
beliefs nor are they indicative of the truth.
>>>>
>>>>Chris Goodrow
>>>>(217) 898-5039
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>>>>________________________________
>>>>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:36:17 -0700
>>>>From: stephenf1113 at yahoo.com
>>>>Subject: 9/11 inside job....
>>>>To: c_goodrow at hotmail.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; occupyCU at lists.chambana.net; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
>>>>
>>>>The phrase 'murdered 3000 people' is an exaggeration.  Obviously no
poll would be worded that way.    But here's one site that I'm relying
on.
>>>>http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/535.php  2008    Here is the relevant sentence:
>>>>On average, 46 percent said that al Qaeda was behind the attacks while
15 percent say the US government, seven percent Israel, and seven
percent some other perpetrator. One in four said they do not know.
>>>>Only 46% think it was al Queda... the MSM sure has a different view
.... 29% thought it was either US/Israel/other....I'm not that far
off...Anti Americanism and anti Israel sentiment is substantially
higher now in 2013 because of disastrous wars in Iraq, Afghanistan,
Libya, Syria...on and on... I'm sure if one disagreed with my premise
they would interpret the data differently.
>>>>
>>>>and from an Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth promotion .... see
>>>>THIS IS THE YEAR WE MAKE IT HAPPEN!
>>>>In spite of the fact that the 9/11 truth message has been censored by
many in the media, ignored by Congress and the President, and shunned
by most academic institutions, polls still show that more than 30% of
US citizens doubt the official story about 9/11. Let’s reach out to the
rest!
>>>>This is probably where I pulled the statistic from in the moment that I
wrote the sentence.  Obviously, if you think that the official story is
wrong, there's only a few easy steps toward calling it an inside job.
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>>>>I would love to see some sort of documentation supporting the assertion
that 30% of the world's population is convinced that Zionists murdered
3000 people on 9/11. Also, I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not,
but most holocaust deniers do not like that term and prefer to be
called holocaust revisionists. Semantics? I don't know. It does seem
that many of who you reference on your page are people who are
considered holocaust deniers.
>>>>
>>>>David Gehrig:
>>>>
>>>>I don't know that I necessarily agree that a holocaust denier
(revisionist) is anti-semitic. I mean, having a distorted view of
history and being wrong about it does not necessarily mean that you
hate or have a prejudice against Jewish people. While I would agree
that anti-semitics are more likely to be holocaust deniers, I don't
think that equates to all holocaust deniers being anti-semitic.
>>>>
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>>>>Chris Goodrow
>>>>(217) 898-5039
>>>>
>>>>I don't know that I necessarily agree that a holocaust denier
(revisionist) is anti-semitic. I mean, having a distorted view of
history and being wrong about it does not necessarily mean that you
hate or have a prejudice against Jewish people. While I would agree
that anti-semitics are more likely to be holocaust deniers, I don't
think that equates to all holocaust deniers being anti-semitic.
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>>>>Chris Goodrow
>>>>(217) 898-5039
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>>>>________________________________
>>>>Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:57:52 -0700
>>>>From: stephenf1113 at yahoo.com<mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
>>>>To: david-cu at nukulele.org<mailto:david-cu at nukulele.org>
>>>>CC: Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; occupyCU at lists.chambana.net<mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] [Peace-discuss] Online activism...
>>>>
>>>>It can easily be proven that Zionist's murdered 3000 people on 9/11. 
Thirty percent of the world's population is convinced of this.  The
tide is turning.  I'm not antisemitic.  I'm anti Zionist. and also not
a holocaust denier, but a holocaust revisionist.  The world also is
waking up to the fact that the Zionists have used the holocaust to
advance their politically and financial ends like no others in the
history of the world.  Their have been countless genocides and only the
Zionists use for gain.... Period.
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>>From: David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org<mailto:david-cu at nukulele.org>>
>>>>To: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com<mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>>
>>>>Cc: ocCUpy <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net<mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>>;
Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:41 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Online activism...
>>>>
>>>>I see your News Follow-Up site still says that "the Holocaust is the
greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind" and still links to videos
from the world's leading Holocaust deniers.
>>>>
>>>>Which is to say, you still have an overtly antisemitic site.
>>>>
>>>>@%<
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>>>>On Jul 25, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com<mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hello all.  This post concerns the issue of whether spending a lot of
time posting things on Facebook or local discussion lists is a
productive thing to do in the world of social justice and activism.
>>>>Yesterday (July 24th)a staffer at the Facebook page 'Prepare to Take
America Back' made a link to a page of my websiteNewsFollowUp.com<http://newsfollowup.com/> http://www.newsfollowup.com/obama_body_count_obama_death_list_re-election_cia_gay.htm concerning a list that is known as the Obama Body
Count...etc.  The link garnered 121 shares and 174 likes in just a few
hours (see http://www.newsfollowup.com/facebook.html.) 
This is quite difficult to do as you all know on Facebook.  Prepare to
Take America Back is a right wing conservative page that I actually
don't like, but at this point any credible political attack from either
side of the isle on Obama is needed.  As Jimmy Carter recently put it:
"We know longer have a functioning democracy". Anyway, Prepare to Take
America Back Facebook has about 120,000 likes and 216,000 people
'talking about this'.  This is nationally substantial.  It is very
encouraging to me that my work is seen by people in these numbers.
>>>>NewsFollowUp.com<http://newsfollowup.com/> http://www.newsfollowup.com/index.html enjoys about 50,000 to 100,000 page views per month and
about 10% of  NFU viewers spend almost 600 hours per month on the
site..  But this is nothing compared to the 20 million or so per month
that Fox News has.  ...but...  from what I can tell, the average
Facebook post gets one or two likes/shares per post if any at all.  I
(Facebook name Occupy Occupy) have about 4700 Facebook friends and 516
people who 'follow' me and occasionally my posts will get shared a
dozen times or so but usually not and many times no shares or likes. 
Even someone like the nationally known activist Cindy Sheehan only has
a couple of dozen shares and maybe 50-100 likes each on her posts.  My
point here is that ... is it worth it to be spending hours and hours
online posting remarks that only a few people see?  I think yes is the
answer, but only in the context of you being in a sea of protesters
doing the same thing.  Individually it is pretty pathetic, but social
media on a world wide basis has made a huge difference... ie Egypt,
Tunisia...etc.
>>>>As you can see from the front page of http://www.newsfollowup.com/index.html my focus is on 9/11 Truth.  I just believe that this is the
most important issue in modern times.  It is the 'head of the snake'. 
There is mountains of proof that the Cheneys/Bushes/Zionists of the
world murdered 3000 people on 9/11 which has ushered in the Patriot
Act/NSA/TSA... etc.  2000 engineers and architects of the website http://www.ae911truth.org/ Architects
& Engineers for 9/11 Truth professional prove that 3 WTC towers
were demolished with explosives.  We need to put these people in jail. 
Working on anything else is important but doesn't threaten them in any
way.... they just keep on doing what they do.
>>>>Anyway, I'm done.  Thanks for listening.
>>>>Steve Francis
>>>>NewsFollowUp.com<http://newsfollowup.com/>
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