[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or sink?)

Mon Jun 17 20:12:58 UTC 2013

Right, and thats not our goal here, we know his successor wouldn't do any different because its not the individual but the system/their plan.
Anyway, it gets the point across.

> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or sink?)
> From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:12:55 -0500
> CC: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; m-taber at illinois.edu; occupycu at lists.chambana.net; r-szoke at illinois.edu
> To: karenaram at hotmail.com
> 
> It's already turned up in some places as 
> 
> "Hey, Obama, hey 
> How many kids 
> Did you kill today?"
> 
> and 
> 
> "B-A-R 
> A-C-K
> How many kids 
> Did you kill today?"
> 
> Of course, the point of driving a president from office for his crimes would be to instruct his successor to avoid those crimes. 
> 
> --CGE
> 
> On Jun 17, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Carl
> >  
> > Nope, that was a good one. It made the point, it addressed him and evidently discouraged him from running for re-election, or so they say.  
> > We're not in DC, what do you suggest for Champaign, Il, that rymes with "Obama"?
> >  
> > > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or sink?)
> > > From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> > > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:58:20 -0500
> > > CC: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; m-taber at illinois.edu; occupycu at lists.chambana.net; r-szoke at illinois.edu
> > > To: karenaram at hotmail.com
> > > 
> > > Karen--
> > > 
> > > On that basis, would you say that the use of the anti-Veitnam War chant,
> > > 
> > > "Hey, hey, LBJ / How many kids did you kill today?"
> > > 
> > > was a mistake, forty-five years ago?
> > > 
> > > It seems to me, on the contrary, that it pointed out to a yet unknowing world, just what the then US president was presiding over.
> > > 
> > > --CGE 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Carl
> > > > 
> > > > I agree with you that there is no need to remove Obama's name from the current US Wars. We call on "him" to close Guantanamo, we sign petitions to him to stop the wars and killings, yes, he has final say. However I do believe as I did in the 60's & 70's that the signs and statements making jest or villianizing individuals is trivializing what is a joint effort in respect to US government foreign policy, precisely because we don't have a King. My years in Thailand have not made me fearful of lese majeste in the US. 
> > > > I in no way wish to "censor", only look at the goals AWARE is attempting to achieve. 
> > > > I admire and respect what you have been doing as an individual and as a group.
> > > > 
> > > > Karen Aram 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or sink?)
> > > > > From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> > > > > Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:58:57 -0500
> > > > > CC: r-szoke at illinois.edu; rohnkoester at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; m-taber at illinois.edu;occupycu at lists.chambana.net
> > > > > To: karenaram at hotmail.com
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm constantly surprised by the tendency of opponents of today's US war to remove Obama's name from it. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nothing similar occurred in regard to Reagan's wars of the 1980s, or Nixon's of the 1970s (or Germany's of the 1940s). 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm coming to think that we're dealing with what the psychoanalysts call "identification with the aggressor" - what abused spouses or children apparently sometimes do, in excusing the crimes of the abusers. ("He didn't really want to do it"/ "He's promised he'll do better"/etc. - cf. the reactions to Obama's National Defense University speech.)
> > > > > 
> > > > > We're so horrified by all those dead children lying on hillsides in Pakistan, and Obama's relentless expansion of a war that he was clearly elected to end, that we make up an explanation in which things are not as bad as they clearly are. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But not telling the truth is not the way to build opposition to the administration's murderous policies. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --CGE
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Can we focus on the anti-war and the unconstitutionality of it all, without naming individuals?
> > > > > > I know its frustrating that so many democrats still have their head in the sands, blaming all our ills on the republicans, but targeting Obama, appears to many as teaparty rhetoric, thus in the name of winning hearts and minds can we just refer to the US Govt. in general?
> > > > > > I'm heading over to the White Horse Inn for the meeting, on the assumption that there will be a meeting.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or sink?)
> > > > > > > From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> > > > > > > Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:32:59 -0500
> > > > > > > CC: rohnkoester at gmail.com; karenaram at hotmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; m-taber at illinois.edu;occupycu at lists.chambana.net
> > > > > > > To: r-szoke at illinois.edu
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Obama has chosen to prosecute a widening war at least as viciously (and unconstitutionally) as his predecessor - or as Nixon in SE Asia. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > How can we exculpate him and still say we oppose the war? No one made him kill all those people.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --CGE
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Let me tell you what I felt - and maybe some of the rest of you felt - when I saw the pictures of the Bush library dedication. There was a group of men standing there, former presidents, the ones that are alive. Every one of them is a major criminal. A major criminal. Obama is continuing the grand tradition — that shouldn’t be a great surprise. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "The sentence that came to my mind at the time is from Thomas Jefferson, who said, 'I tremble for my country when I think that God is just, and some day will bring us to his judgment.'" [Noam Chomsky]
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 1:17 PM, "Szoke, Ronald Duane" <r-szoke at illinois.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Wish there were some way to relate our war & racism concerns more directly to the parade's official themes. I'll walk for whatever theme or slogan is chosen, but hoping it will not be merely the hundredth or thousandth instance of pounding on the demon Obama. Will probably be at Bloomsday event today around time of the AWARE meeting.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > -- Ron 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > 
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