[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or sink?)

"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" ewj at pigsqq.org
Tue Jun 18 03:06:41 UTC 2013 

under this rubble
lies Akmed's bones
blasted to bits
by an O-bot drone

Zomba-Shave

On 06/18/13 10:57, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" wrote:
> under this stone
> lies Elmer Gush
> tickled to death
> by his shaving brush
>
> Zomba-Shave
>
>
> On 06/18/13 10:41, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> Burma-Shave...
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 9:38 PM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" 
>> <ewj at pigsqq.org>  wrote:
>>
>>> HOPE for Amerikan Zombies.
>>>
>>> Corpus americi.
>>>
>>> I eats your branes.
>>> I thinks your thots.
>>> I feels your pains.
>>> We is good O-bots.
>>>
>>> We may be sheeple.
>>> That much is true.
>>> But they's lotsa Us
>>> So few of U.
>>>
>>> Ha.
>>>
>>> We're on TV
>>> We're in your blood
>>> How can you say
>>> B.O.'s a Dud?
>>>
>>> It doesnt matter what you do
>>> Dont mean shee-it cool things you say
>>> It's up to us and so fuck you
>>> Aint no highway only Thy Way
>>>
>>> Quit pokin fun at big debt brother
>>> Why sayest thou that we're all Quislings
>>> Your cat Orwell was one righteous mother
>>> But Winston really loves Big Siblings.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/18/13 9:40, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>> Recent revelations about cannibalism in Jamestown may be relevant.
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:47 PM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" 
>>>> <ewj at pigsqq.org>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Gack.
>>>>> Jonestown not Jamestown.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/18/13 8:44, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's said rightly that truth is stranger than fiction
>>>>>> but "surreal is stranger yet".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole Obama thing is like watching some bizarre
>>>>>> science fiction screenplay.  There was this episode of
>>>>>> Star Trek where they got infected with some meme or
>>>>>> the other that made them "groovy".  Somehow Capt. Kirk
>>>>>> threw off the infection and got the antidote (anger) to the others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not just a prionic nanobot invasion of thought. There's
>>>>>> an external manifestation, a change in appearance of the
>>>>>> afflicted.  The glassy eyes are open and doelike,
>>>>>> and wide apart and slightly bulging.  It's the expression
>>>>>> of obsessive thralldom.  The 漫画 (manhua, manga) style
>>>>>> cartoonist put multiple accessory pupils in large rounded
>>>>>> eyes to portray this appearance.  It's the look of
>>>>>> mindless unquestioning unreasoned obsessive
>>>>>> submissive limerant infatuation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One might surmise that serotonin levels are elevated
>>>>>> but this has not been checked in the field as far as I know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is variable susceptibility in the population.
>>>>>> Perhaps it is genetic with a complex inheritance, but it
>>>>>> is also possible that the permissiveness that leads to this 
>>>>>> captivation
>>>>>> is socially conditioned in some manner
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regardless of the underlying weakness that leads to the
>>>>>> individual being consumed by this malady, treatment seems
>>>>>> difficult and there are many resistant cases.  Apparently
>>>>>> many of those afflicted derive some perceived benefit from the
>>>>>> paradaemonic association.  Others embarrassed by their folly
>>>>>> seem to feign allegiance rather than risk exposure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exposure to the truth in massive doses has led a few to
>>>>>> complete or near complete recovery, but in others there is a 
>>>>>> violent reaction
>>>>>> to the truth characterised by incoherent vocalisations, fits
>>>>>> of incomplete anger, and separation from the dissonant source.
>>>>>> A total meltdown of anger actually might be purgative, cleansing,
>>>>>> and maybe even curative, but anger is so revolting to those so
>>>>>> afflicted that it is difficult to induce treatment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's also something like seeing all those
>>>>>> swollen carcasses with their really
>>>>>> tight fitting jeans lying on the ground in Jamestown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that will be the sad but true end for many of the Obamites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/18/13 4:53, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why isn't that (a) goal here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It certainly was in 1968 and 1973.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Impeachment and removal of a president for high crimes and 
>>>>>>> misdemeanors (or resignation in fear of impeachment, like Nixon) 
>>>>>>> is the mechanism that the Constitution provides to curb 
>>>>>>> executive criminality. The idea is that a successor will not 
>>>>>>> repeat the crimes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Obama is driven from office for murder and torture, even Joe 
>>>>>>> Biden is smart enough to see that the same thing could be done 
>>>>>>> to him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In 1968, when Lyndon Johnson was driven from office by the 
>>>>>>> rising opposition to a foreign war (about 70%, roughly what it 
>>>>>>> is now), Nixon saw that he had to run as a "peace candidate." He 
>>>>>>> was elected (barely) after announcing that he had "a secret plan 
>>>>>>> to end the Vietnam war."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, we know now that he was lying about being a peace 
>>>>>>> candidate (like Obama) and widened the war (like Obama) once he 
>>>>>>> was in office.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In "The Audacity of Hope" (2006 - significantly subtitled 
>>>>>>> "Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream"), Obama wrote that 
>>>>>>> the "greatest causality" of the Vietnam war was "the loss of 
>>>>>>> trust in the government by the people." (One would have thought 
>>>>>>> that it might have been 4 million dead Asians and tens of 
>>>>>>> thousands of dead Americans, but Obama had other priorities.) 
>>>>>>> His method of restoring that trust was to be an effective liar - 
>>>>>>> the "more effective evil," as Glen Ford said - and, like Nixon, 
>>>>>>> convince people that he was going to end the war.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The remarkable thing is that people still believe he is ending 
>>>>>>> the war, when he's widening it. The media have a lot to answer 
>>>>>>> for here, of course, but - as the CIA pointed out in 2008 - 
>>>>>>> Obama is the more effective liar. ("Recall the 2008 CIA report 
>>>>>>> fretting about growing anti-war sentiment in western Europe and 
>>>>>>> concluding that the best weapon to safeguard against its 
>>>>>>> continuation would be the election of Obama. That's because, the 
>>>>>>> CIA presciently realized, Obama's election would massively 
>>>>>>> increase public support for US wars because it would be a kind, 
>>>>>>> sophisticated, progressive constitutional scholar rather than a 
>>>>>>> swaggering, evangelical Texas cowboy who would be the face of 
>>>>>>> them. Add to all that the Nixon-to-China dynamic - just as only 
>>>>>>> a conservative president could have established relations with 
>>>>>>> the Chinese Communists, arguably only a Democratic president 
>>>>>>> could start a new war in the Muslim world, cut Social Security, 
>>>>>>> etc." --Glenn Greenwald)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't you think people should be made aware of what he's doing, 
>>>>>>> in order to stop him from doing it?  I think that should be our 
>>>>>>> goal. --CGE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Karen 
>>>>>>> Aram<karenaram at hotmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right, and thats not our goal here, we know his successor 
>>>>>>>> wouldn't do any different because its not the individual but 
>>>>>>>> the system/their plan.
>>>>>>>> Anyway, it gets the point across.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE 
>>>>>>>>> float (or sink?)
>>>>>>>>> From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:12:55 -0500
>>>>>>>>> CC: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; 
>>>>>>>>> m-taber at illinois.edu; occupycu at lists.chambana.net; 
>>>>>>>>> r-szoke at illinois.edu
>>>>>>>>> To: karenaram at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's already turned up in some places as
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Hey, Obama, hey
>>>>>>>>> How many kids
>>>>>>>>> Did you kill today?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "B-A-R
>>>>>>>>> A-C-K
>>>>>>>>> How many kids
>>>>>>>>> Did you kill today?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, the point of driving a president from office for 
>>>>>>>>> his crimes would be to instruct his successor to avoid those 
>>>>>>>>> crimes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --CGE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Karen 
>>>>>>>>> Aram<karenaram at hotmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, that was a good one. It made the point, it addressed 
>>>>>>>>>> him and evidently discouraged him from running for 
>>>>>>>>>> re-election, or so they say.
>>>>>>>>>> We're not in DC, what do you suggest for Champaign, Il, that 
>>>>>>>>>> rymes with "Obama"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE 
>>>>>>>>>>> float (or sink?)
>>>>>>>>>>> From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:58:20 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>> CC: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; 
>>>>>>>>>>> m-taber at illinois.edu; occupycu at lists.chambana.net; 
>>>>>>>>>>> r-szoke at illinois.edu
>>>>>>>>>>> To: karenaram at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Karen--
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On that basis, would you say that the use of the 
>>>>>>>>>>> anti-Veitnam War chant,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Hey, hey, LBJ / How many kids did you kill today?"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> was a mistake, forty-five years ago?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It seems to me, on the contrary, that it pointed out to a 
>>>>>>>>>>> yet unknowing world, just what the then US president was 
>>>>>>>>>>> presiding over.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --CGE
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Karen 
>>>>>>>>>>> Aram<karenaram at hotmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carl
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you that there is no need to remove Obama's 
>>>>>>>>>>>> name from the current US Wars. We call on "him" to close 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guantanamo, we sign petitions to him to stop the wars and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> killings, yes, he has final say. However I do believe as I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> did in the 60's&    70's that the signs and statements 
>>>>>>>>>>>> making jest or villianizing individuals is trivializing 
>>>>>>>>>>>> what is a joint effort in respect to US government foreign 
>>>>>>>>>>>> policy, precisely because we don't have a King. My years in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thailand have not made me fearful of lese majeste in the US.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I in no way wish to "censor", only look at the goals AWARE 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is attempting to achieve.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I admire and respect what you have been doing as an 
>>>>>>>>>>>> individual and as a group.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Karen Aram
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or sink?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:58:57 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC: r-szoke at illinois.edu; rohnkoester at gmail.com; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> m-taber at illinois.edu;occupycu at lists.chambana.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: karenaram at hotmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm constantly surprised by the tendency of opponents of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> today's US war to remove Obama's name from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing similar occurred in regard to Reagan's wars of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1980s, or Nixon's of the 1970s (or Germany's of the 1940s).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm coming to think that we're dealing with what the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> psychoanalysts call "identification with the aggressor" - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what abused spouses or children apparently sometimes do, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in excusing the crimes of the abusers. ("He didn't really 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to do it"/ "He's promised he'll do better"/etc. - cf. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reactions to Obama's National Defense University speech.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're so horrified by all those dead children lying on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hillsides in Pakistan, and Obama's relentless expansion of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a war that he was clearly elected to end, that we make up 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an explanation in which things are not as bad as they 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearly are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But not telling the truth is not the way to build 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposition to the administration's murderous policies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --CGE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Karen 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aram<karenaram at hotmail.com>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can we focus on the anti-war and the unconstitutionality 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of it all, without naming individuals?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know its frustrating that so many democrats still have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their head in the sands, blaming all our ills on the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> republicans, but targeting Obama, appears to many as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teaparty rhetoric, thus in the name of winning hearts and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minds can we just refer to the US Govt. in general?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm heading over to the White Horse Inn for the meeting, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the assumption that there will be a meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sink?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:32:59 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CC: rohnkoester at gmail.com; karenaram at hotmail.com; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m-taber at illinois.edu;occupycu at lists.chambana.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: r-szoke at illinois.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obama has chosen to prosecute a widening war at least as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> viciously (and unconstitutionally) as his predecessor - 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or as Nixon in SE Asia.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can we exculpate him and still say we oppose the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> war? No one made him kill all those people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --CGE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Let me tell you what I felt - and maybe some of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest of you felt - when I saw the pictures of the Bush 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> library dedication. There was a group of men standing 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there, former presidents, the ones that are alive. Every 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one of them is a major criminal. A major criminal. Obama 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is continuing the grand tradition — that shouldn’t be a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great surprise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The sentence that came to my mind at the time is from 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thomas Jefferson, who said, 'I tremble for my country 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I think that God is just, and some day will bring 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us to his judgment.'" [Noam Chomsky]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 16, 2013, at 1:17 PM, "Szoke, Ronald 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duane"<r-szoke at illinois.edu>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wish there were some way to relate our war&    racism 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns more directly to the parade's official themes. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll walk for whatever theme or slogan is chosen, but 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoping it will not be merely the hundredth or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thousandth instance of pounding on the demon Obama. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will probably be at Bloomsday event today around time 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the AWARE meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Ron
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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