[Peace-discuss] reply

[Carl G. Estabrook]

For those of us in school during the Kennedy-Johnson-Nixon assault on SE Asia, with its four million dead, that was one of the first revelations.  

In illo tempore, I took three degrees in how to be a historian - which was rather like learning how to be an augur in Augustus' time. --CGE


On May 16, 2013, at 8:22 AM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> For those of us who wished to take history seriously in school, I just wish we had been told that it was not being taken seriously. Then I would have known that I was on my own. Then again, history and political science are good pre-law majors, as a form of pre-indoctrination.
>  
> DG
> 
> From: ""E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"" <ewj at pigsqq.org>
> To: David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> 
> Cc: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> 
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] reply
> 
> I had several years of history classes from the 4th grade to the 8th grade
> then Amerikan History as a class in the 4th year of high school,
> and a course on Modern Western Civilization (an oxymoron?) as a college
> freshman that I resented ferociously.
> 
> For a science and math major it was pretty dry stuff.
> 
> They didnt expose us to the nasty underbelly of human existence.
> It would have warped our young minds.  
> Far better to lie to us.  Henry Ford was right.
> History is BUNK (BUllshit, No Kidding) the way they taught it to us.
> 
> Genocide and torture and mutilations and 
> slowly slicing and grinding people to a bloody itchy miserable death
> is part of war.  If you don't destroy a whole
> bunch of non-military stuff and kill a lot of
> kids, and disembowel pregnant women alive and 
> eat their babies for breakfast it ain't real war.
> 
> Nothing has changed. Nothing.  
> The scale factor might be different but certainly
> not if one looks at it on a percentage basis.
> The shape factor is not any different.
> 
> I can't see any difference between what the French did around the world
> and what the Nazis did on any sort of barbarism scale.
> What the Nazis did to the Jews wasnt much different from what the 
> Jews did to their enemies and to one another.
> There aint much changed in the world from bashing someone
> to death by hitting them in the face with a rock to
> remote control video drones.
> 
> On 05/16/13 11:38, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" wrote:
>> I agree.
>> 
>> It is a significant turn against Obama,
>> and thank you for sharing it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/16/13 11:21, David Johnson wrote:
>>> "As if War making was a good thing between or among consenting adults
>>> but Obot is a loser who doesn't do it right."
>>>  
>>> Wayne,
>>>  
>>> If you know anything about Cornel West, you would know that he is very anti-war and anti-empire.
>>> He is using the term in the common context usage, as in Nazi War Criminals, emphasis on the criminal.
>>> It is a significant statement from such a prominent African American activist and Professor.
>>>  
>>> David J.
>>>