[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] VeteransToday article: Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos: Parts 1, 2, 3....

Thu Oct 3 22:56:25 UTC 2013

I'm done, you didn't answer the question...typical.

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 From: David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org>
To: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; sftalk <sftalk at yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] VeteransToday article: Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos: Parts 1, 2, 3....

There will always be those who view history as nothing but a big, international, multigenerational, Jewish conspiracy. HItler was one. Fetzer's one of them. You're becoming one too.

Reminds me of something Errol Morris -- oh, but wait, he's a Jew, so you wouldn't trust him, would you.

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On Oct 3, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Well Mr. Gehrig, let's get specific.  Do you deny that Philip Zelikow (9/11 Commission director) was a Israeli Firster Zionist...and that his main duty on the commission was to shelter Israel from any complicity in 9/11.  Do you support the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission?   Will you answer this question clearly?
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>"Members of the 9/11 Commission, as well as its executive director Philip Zelikow, had conflicts of interest. Philip Shenon, a New York Times reporter, in a book released in February 2008 entitled "The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation" claims that Zelikow had closer ties with the White House than he publicly disclosed and that he tried to influence the final report in ways that the staff often perceived as limiting the Bush administration’s responsibility and furthering its anti-Iraq agenda. According to the book, Zelikow had at least four private conversations with former White House political director Karl Rove, and appears to have had many frequent telephone conversations with people in the White House. The Commission staff kept a record only of calls Zelikow received, but Government Accountability Office records show his frequent calls to the 456 telephone exchange in the 202 area code used exclusively by the
 White House. Also, the book states that Zelikow ordered his assistant to stop keeping a log of his calls, although the Commission's general counsel overruled him. Zelikow had pledged to have no contact with Rove and Condoleezza Rice during his work for the 9/11 Commission.[2]
>The book also reports that some panel staffers believed Zelikow stopped them from submitting a report depicting Rice's and Bush's performance as "amounting to incompetence or something not far from it". Zelikow has denied discussing the commission's work with Rove and further added "I was not a very popular person in the Bush White House when this was going on" and remarked the staffers were disgruntled.[3]
>According to Shenon, Rove always feared that a commission report that laid the blame for 9/11 at the president's doorstep was the one development that could most jeopardize Bush's 2004 re-election. Therefore, White House lawyers attempted to stonewall the creation of the commission and to hamstring its work from the outset. As Shenon reports, when Bush terrorism "czar"Richard Clarke could no longer be prevented from testifying about his urgent warnings over the summer of 2001 to Rice about the imminent threat of terrorist attack on US soil, White House counsel Alberto Gonzales and his aides feverishly drafted tough questions and phoned them in to Republican commissioners to undermine Clarke's credibility." According to Shanon, it was this defensive strategy that Zelikow may have been coordinating with the White House.[4]
>Further, according to Shenon's book, Zelikow attempted to bolster the Bush administration's false claim of a link between al-Qaida and Iraq by trying to change a 9/11 Commission staff report to state that the terrorist network repeatedly tried to communicate with the government of Saddam Hussein, a claim of cooperation the administration had cited to justify the war in Iraq. Zelikow backed down when the 9/11 Commission staff refused to go along with his attempted change.[2]
>In addition, other members had ties which could be viewed as conflicts of interest. Jamie Gorelick, while serving in the Department of Justice under the Clinton administration, developed the policy (the "wall memo") that prevented communication between various government law enforcement and intelligence agencies, specifically the FBI and CIA.[5] She also is on the board of United Technologies. Gorelick's firm has agreed to represent Prince Mohammed al Faisal in the suit by the 9/11 families. The families contend that al Faisal has legal responsibility for the 9/11 attacks.
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> From: David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org>
>To: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> 
>Cc: "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; sftalk <sftalk at yahoogroups.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 1:12 PM
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>You know, Mr. Francis, it's disheartening to see that even this far into the discussion, you don't even know what the discussion is about.
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>You could have brought in a guy who said that 9/11 was the product of intelligent marshmallows from the planet Stay-Puft, and I wouldn't have cared -- as long as doesn't also promote, the way Jim Fetzer did, the spread of neo-Nazi propaganda in the form of Holocaust denial.
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>You could have brought in a guy who said it was all masterminded from the grave by the ghost of Richard Nixon, and I wouldn't have cared -- as long as he didn't also promote, the way Jim Fetzer did, the spread of neo-Nazi propaganda in the form of Holocaust denial.
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>And I wouldn't care one way or another about your own personal website, if you hand't used it to promote the spread of neo-Nazi propaganda in the form of Holocaust denial.
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>But you still seem unable to free yourself from the believe that you are being attacked for your 9/11 stuff, not your Jews-faked-their-own-Holocaust stuff.
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>On Oct 3, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>You know Mr. Gehrig, you're reaction to 9/11 Truth is much like an admission of guilt, even like a noisy child raising a tantrum who has just been denied his favorite toy. You probably should be more quiet.  People see the motivation behind your porous statements and begin to ponder more about what it is that you're trying to cover up. 
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>>If you thoroughly follow the money trail through WW1 and WW2 an informative scenario presents itself that is nothing like what the text books would have us believe.  I think you know what I'm talking about, or you wouldn't be so vocal.
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>>Zionists have hoisted a mendacious sledge hammer to smash those who have discovered their strategem, but much like many things in this age of the internet, many of us are becoming aware of the fact that there are leviathans that themselves can be smashed.
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>>Oh... here's the YouTube page that also contains the articles:
>>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf2wxSxCHjXaS5tMVDQqZFg   The views statistics are very good because people want to learn.
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>>From: David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org>
>>To: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> 
>>Cc: occupycu <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; sftalk <sftalk at yahoogroups.com> 
>>Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 11:10 AM
>>Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] VeteransToday article: Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos: Parts 1, 2, 3....
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>>It's also, you'll see if you take a look, a venue very friendly to Holocaust denial. 
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>>But somehow we're just not supposed to think that's a bad thing. Jews, schmews, it's not like antisemitism is a form of racism or anything. 
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>>Here's a chant you might want to consider for next July 4: "We're AWARE! We're unfair! About Jews we don't care!"
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>>On Oct 3, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>Jim Fetzer, an editor of Veterans Today has written an article about the Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos that includes links
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>>>http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/10/03/the-complete-midwest-911-truth-conference-parts-1-2-and-3/
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>>>The 9/11 Truth Movement is growing leaps and bounds.
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>>>Veterans Today has an Alexa ranking of about 5600 out of about 75 million websites in the US.
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>>>Thanks
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