[Peace-discuss] [sftalk] Re: [OccupyCU] VeteransToday article: Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos: Parts 1, 2, 3....

Fri Oct 4 10:12:29 UTC 2013

Mr. Lehman.... you've brought up a great point.  How does a 'socialist forum' relate to 9/11 Truth?  And since you like Wikipedia and I'm no expert on Socialism I will continue to quote from that source.  
From Wikipedia:  Socialists generally argue that capitalism concentrates power and wealth within a small segment of society that controls the means of production and derives its wealth through economic exploitation. This creates unequal social relations which fail to provide opportunities for every individual to maximise their potential,[12] and does not utilise available technology and resources to their maximum potential in the interests of the public.[13]
I think we both would agree that the degree of exploitation and unequal social relations is at a peak in US history.  This is well documented throughout modern MSM and alternative media.  So isn't one of the roles of Socialism to provide an effective anti-Capitalism front?  Capitalism forces have decimated labor unions.  What is the role of the socialist forum in reviving labor unions?  It is the contention of the 'progressives' who believe 9/11 was an inside job, that 9/11 was a sinister heinous crime perpetrated by capitalists to execute long laid plans to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.  

Within six weeks of 9/11 the Patriot Act was unanimously enacted by Congress.  It targets many of the civil liberties of Americans including labor union activism, religious freedom and political dissent.  One such relevant event in history is Palmer Raids in 1919, where President Woodrow Wilson recruited J. Edgar Hoover to launch a campaign against labor unionists, social radicals and leftist organizations.  A communist 'boogeyman'  (Islamophobia) was created by claiming that Russian agents were plotting to overthrow the US government.  

History is repeating itself. Why are you seemingly defending the creators of the Patriot Act?  The Patriot Act was created with the complicity of the following:

Below is a list 100 prominent Zionists or Zionist confidants including members of the military, government, media and banks on an international scale, who were either high level members of the Bush administration or intimately close to it. These people own 9/11 and the Patriot Act.  ...the hijackers (15 were Saudis) were just patsies and could not have defeated the American air defense system.  The 9/11 Commission report has be declared a scam by six of its member.  Bin Laden was never charged with a crime, and actually died in 2001. 

Who is a Zionist? from JewsNotZionists   Six Jewish Companies Control 96% of the Media UnJustMedia 

The planning of 9/11 and then the Iraq and Afghanistan wars started with this document:  “Rebuilding America’s Defenses”
by the members of PNAC (Project for a New American Century).  They wanted and created a new 'Pearl Harbor' in the 9/11 events.
All these people have strong ties to Zionists in Israel and America.  War is a Crime

Dick Cheney, Vice President (2001–2009) The top Zionist confidant.  EIR July 2006,  Israel is their chosen instrument to launch a war against Syria and Iran, now that U.S. military forces are bogged down in Cheney's insane Iraq war. Their war plan is well known to readers of EIR, and is the policy the Bush Administration has been implementing, with disastrous results, for the last three years. This is based on the notorious policy paper, "A Clean Break: New Strategy for Securing the Realm," (Wikipedia) which was presented to Netanyahu when he became Israeli Prime Minister in 1996. Its authors included the "Prince of Darkness" Richard Perle, former Defense Department official Douglas Feith, and neo-conservative fanatics such as David and Meyrav Wurmser.

I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff to VP Cheney, Zionist. (Wikipedia) Libby was born to an affluent Jewish family in New Haven, Connecticut; his late father, Irving Lewis Liebowitz, was an investment banker (2001–2005).  Libby held the titles of Assistant to the Vice President for National Security, Chief of Staff to the Vice President and Assistant to the President during the Bush administration.  In October 2005, Libby was indicted by a federal grand jury concerning the investigation of the leak of the covert identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson.Plame's position at the CIA was considered classified information. Libby was indicted on five counts relating to the Plame affair: Two counts of perjury, two counts of making false statements to federal investigators, and one count of obstruction of justice. Libby resigned all three government positions immediately after the indictment was announced.  He was disbarred
 and has served as Senior Vice President of the Hudson Institute at least since 2010.  see VeteransToday

George W. Bush ... President.... drunk cocaine addict, rich frat kid, avoided military service, was reading children books on 9/11..  video (Preview)  (Preview) . Ari Fleischer was also there.....lies about 9/11 events.  details Split-screen video chronology.
The core of Bush administration made up of PNAC (Project for the New American Century) members.  They specifically called for a 'new Pearl Harbor', catastrophic and catalyzing event.

George Herbert Walker Bush

Zalmay Khalilzad, Zionist confidant.  U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan (11/2003 - 6/2005), U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (6/2005 -  3/2007) U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (2007–2009. Wikipedia  He has been involved with  U.S. policy makers at the White House, State Department and Pentagon since the mid-1980s, and was the highest-ranking Muslim American in the Administration of U.S. President George W. Bush.  He conducted a risk analysis for Unocal, now part of Chevron, for a proposed 1,400 km (890 mile), $2-billion, Trans-Afghanistan gas pipeline project which would have extended from Turkmenistan to Afghanistan and further proceeding to Pakistan. As one of the original members of Project for the New American Century, Khalilzad was a signatory of the letter to President Bill Clinton sent on January 26, 1998, which called for him to accept the aim of "removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power" using "a full complement of diplomatic,
 political and military efforts.  Met secretly with George Soros       YouTube / FoxNews (Preview)  (Preview)  (Preview)  (Preview)  (Preview)  (Preview) , Soros is a Zionist confidant. see OpinionMaker  Zalmay Khalilzad is long been known as a Zionist poodle. His wife Dr. Cheryl Benard, the Austrian-Jewish woman is senior policy adviser at Ziocons think tank RAND.

VP Joseph Biden   YouTube  (Preview)  (Preview) "I am a Zionist"... "You don't have to be a Jew to be a Zionist"... and  YouTube (Preview)  (Preview) US-Israel Policy Conference speech.  and Google  US presidents at Israel Wailing Wall

Rupert Murdoch, Zionist, his media empire essential in the execution and cover-up of 9/11.   Christopher Bollyn To spread the Zionist ideology among the Jews of Eastern Europe they employed the secret Masonic organization of Jewish Zionists, the International Order of B'nai B'rith, which they had founded with fellow German Jews in New York in 1843.   Michael Chertoff, Lewis Eisenberg, Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein, Rupert Murdoch, and every other Rothschild-funded criminal involved in the 9-11 terror atrocity and cover-up.  and ...  Chaim Weizmann (the Zionist leader). Dr. J. R. Hertz, (Chief Rabbi of England), Mrs. Neville Laski (President of the Jewish Board of Deputies), and Israel Moses Sietff (well known Zionist and communal worker.) ... and on Hilliary Clinton Della Murray Rosenberg, spoke Yiddish around the Rodham house when she was a girl. Texemarrs

Media UnjustMedia 
Benjamin Netanyahu —Zionist,  former Israeli Prime Minister; said 9-11 was “good” for US-Israeli relationship; he was in NYC on 9-11 and also in London on 7-7 bombings

Kenneth Feinberg, Zionist,

United Arab Emirates Central Bank & 9/11 Financing  Amazon ...Pre-9/11 warning from Saudi Arabia Monetary Agency (SAMA), the Central Bank of Saudi Arabia, to the UAE Central Bank regarding questionable funding.  Core 9/11 funding from Dubai to 9/11 terrorists in Florida, Terrorist related bank accounts in United Arab Emirates (UAE), Questionable defense contract worth $3 billion involving an Ex-US General, Questionable defense contract worth $3 billion involving an Ex-US General 

Dov Zakheim  Jewish Rabbi, Comptroller of the Pentagon

Ari Fleischer Zionist, White House spokesman for Bush during 9-11; holds “dual citizen” US and Israel citizenship; connected to the extremist group called the Chabad Lubavitch Hasidics.  His parents were Jewish; his mother is a Hungarian immigrant who lost much of her family in the Holocaust.   November 2002, Fleischer married Rebecca Elizabeth Davis, an employee in the OMB, in an interfaith ceremony. Rabbi Harold S. White officiated the ceremony, with the participation of Rev. Michael J. Kelley, a Roman Catholic priest.[6] They live in New York with their two children. Fleischer's brother, Michael, worked for the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq.  He is on the board of the Republican Jewish Coalition  and was Ari Fleischer's picture used for a passenger of Flight 11? 

Vulcans, Bush war policy board,  (Wikipedia)  Robert Blackwill is a member of the Aspen Strategy Group of the Aspen Institute.  Blackwill served as political-military officer in London, England from 1975 to 1978.  Blackwill served as political counselor in Tel Aviv, Israel from 1978 to 1979. Blackwill became Director, Western European Affairs, on the National Security Council staff at the White House in 1979.  Wikipedia 'The Vulcans' is a nickname used to refer to Republican Presidential candidate George W. Bush's foreign policy advisory team assembled to brief him prior to the 2000 U.S. presidential election. The Vulcans were led by Condoleezza Rice and included Richard Armitage, Robert Blackwill, Stephen Hadley, Richard Perle, Dov S. Zakheim, Robert Zoellick and Paul Wolfowitz, and Wolfowitz protegé, Scooter Libby. Other key campaign figures including Dick Cheney, George P. Shultz and Colin Powell were also closely associated with the group
 but were never actually members  see Eustace Mullins (Kissinger)  and Wikipedia Helmut Sonnenfeldt  During his time in the National Security Council and in the State Department, he was a close assistant and adviser of Henry Kissinger and became known as "Kissinger's Kissinger"  and  ... History Commons ...data was given to Perle by National Security Council staff member Helmut “Hal” Sonnenfeldt, who has been under investigation since 1967 for providing classified documents to the Israelis.
Richard Perle  History Commons ...data was given to Perle by National Security Council staff member Helmut “Hal” Sonnenfeldt, who has been under investigation since 1967 for providing classified documents to the Israelis.

Larry Silverstein, Zionist, close personal friend to Benjamin Netanyahu,  purchased the WTC lease two months before 9/11 for $215 million and was awarded $4.5 billion for compensation to the WTC towers destruction and recently lost a court case suing the airline companies involved for $3.5 billion.  New York Daily News  Judge Alvin Hellerstein (Zionist) presided over both cases.  Mukasey (Zionist) judge who presided over WTC 93 cases.

Jerome Hauer  Hauer's mother, Rose Muscatine Hauer, is the retired Dean of the Beth Israel School of Nursing and the Honorary President of the New York Chapter of Hadassah

New York Port Authority

Popular Mechanics

New York Times UnjustMedia The New York Times was founded in 1851 by two Gentiles, Henry Raymond and George Jones. After their deaths, it was purchased in 1896 from Jones’s estate by a wealthy Jewish publisher, Adolph Ochs. His great-grandson, Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr., is the paper’s current publisher and CEO. The executive editor is Max Frankel, and the managing editor is Joseph Lelyveld.

Israeli Art Students
Mohammed Atta, known CIA asset.

Peter Peterson -- CEO of the Blackstone Group (controlled by Rothschilds), parent corporation of one of three lease-holders for WTC 7  Blackstone Group  WTC7.net ... and see Wikipedia search Israel

Michael Chertoff, Zionist,  Assistant Attorney General on 9/11,  His father is Rabbi Gershon Baruch Chertoff (1915–96), a Talmud scholar and the former leader of the Congregation B'nai Israel in Elizabeth.

Bandar Bush, ....Wikipedia   Bandar bin Sultan is a member of the House of Saud and was Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States from 1983 to 2005. In 2005, he was named as Secretary General of the National Security Council. He was appointed Director General of the Saudi Intelligence Agency by King Abdullah on 19 July 2012.  ...EIR  the fact that Prince Bandar's wife, who is the sister of Prince Turki, the then-head of Saudi intelligence, sent money to Saudi Intelligence agent Omar al Bayoumi; that Bayoumi met with a member of the Saudi consulate in Los Angeles before then going to a restaurant to meet with the two first hijackers who came to the U.S., Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, and invited them to San Diego; that Bayoumi worked for the Saudi Civil Aviation Authority; that the two hijackers lived for a time in the home of a longtime FBI informant, whom the Joint Inquiry was prevented from ever interviewing. In fact, the FBI refused
 to serve the informant a committee subpoena.  911Blogge

AMR Corporation, parent company of American Airlines, Board of Directors.

  DowningStreetMemo.com 911Blogger  HistoryCommons    WhoDidIt  VeteransToday  

Kenneth Feinberg, Zionist, 
Marc Rich

Andrew Card
George Tenet... 'slam dunk' comment about Sadam Hussein and WMD. 
Robert Mueller 
Thomas Pickard 
Dale Watson 
Dave Frasca 
John Ashcroft

Edward Luttwak, is a senior advisor to the Zionist think tank Center for Strategic and International Studies    CSIS  Maurice Greenberg, Richard Armitage, Kissinger, Schlesinger, and Lester Crown (Zionists) are on the Board of Trustees. Radical Press
911Review 

Robert Satloff,  
David Frum,  
Marc Grossman 
David Wurmser

John Ashcroft, Attorney General on 9/11, see Abdussattar Shaikh, subpoena,  
AIPAC leaders  AIPAC leaders: Neal Sher Thomas Dine, Morris J. Amitay, Bernice Manocherian, Steven Grossman, David Steiner, Larry Weinberg. 
Joshua Bolten, Jewish 
Israeli terrorismCounterPunch As reported by La Vox De Atzlan, [17] two men posing as press photographers, but in reality Israeli Mossad agents, were arrested INSIDE the Mexican congress on October 10, 2001 armed with 9mm pistols, 9 grenades, explosives, three detonators, and 58 bullets, but were RELEASED from custody because of pressure from the Israeli embassy.  

Richard Haas,  
Kenneth Adelman,  
Steve Goldsmith, 
Mondoweis  Robert Kagan, Bill Kristol, Dan Senor and Eric Edelman Foreign Policy Initiative  Mondoweis

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Judith Miller
New York Times owner, Zionist
Washington Post owner, Zionist
Stephen Hadley (Zionist)
John Deutch
Lewis Eisenberg, member of the Planning Board of the United Jewish Appeal 
Ronald Lauder, of Estee Lauder, lobbied for privatization of the WTC, and successful in the privatization of Stewart Air Force Base, the paths of Flght 175 and Flight 11 converged directly over this airport. 
Ronald Lauder, active in Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, Jewish National Fund Anti Defamation League,  many more 
Ronald Lauder  elected presdent of the World Jewish Congress. 
Ronald Lauder founded a Mossad training school,….9/11 mastermind along with 
WTC Security in the hands of Zionists, Jules Kroll, required for demolition access, awarded Kroll Associates after 93 bombing.  The contract was awarded by the NY Port Authority, Jules & Jeremy Kroll are Zionist Jews. 
Jerome Hauer advised the WH on anthrax a week before the anthrax attacks took place. See CPRO 

Richard Perle, Chairman of the Board, Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee (2001–2003)

Elliott Abrams, Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Democracy, Human Rights,

Richard Armitage, Deputy Secretary of State (2001–2005)

John R. Bolton, Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs (2001–2005)

Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense (2001–2006)

Addington
Michael Hayden

Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense (2001–2005) 10th President of the World Bank (2005-2007)

Dov S. Zakheim, Department of Defense Comptroller (2001–2004)
Secretary of State Madeleine Albright  (Zionist confidant

Robert B. Zoellick, Office of the United States Trade Representative (2001–2005), Deputy Secretary of State
 (2005–2006), 11th President of the World Bank (2007–2012)

Eliot A. Cohen, Member of the Defense Policy Advisory Board (2007–2009)[64]

Seth Cropsey, Director of the International Broadcasting Bureau (12/2002-12/2004)

Paula Dobriansky, Under-Secretary of State for Global Affairs (2001–2007)

Aaron Friedberg, Deputy Assistant for National Security Affairs and Director of Policy Planning, Office of the Vice President (2003–2005)

Francis Fukuyama, Member of The President's Council on Bioethics (2001–2005)

Peter W. Rodman, Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security (2001–2007)

Randy Scheunemann, Member of the U.S. Committee on NATO, Project on Transitional Democracies, International Republican Institute  

LaRouche (Preview)  (Preview)  Israel British Saudi US did 9/11  YouTube (Preview)  (Preview)  Phil Marshall

Non PNAC, Pro Israel, advocates for invasion of Iraq 

Zionists Connections to 9/11  

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From: Mike Lehman <rebelmike at earthlink.net>
To: sftalk at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [sftalk] Re: [OccupyCU] VeteransToday article: Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos: Parts 1, 2, 3....

Stephen,
This conversation has long ago drifted far away from any particular relevancy to the SF list. I suspect most of us have come to our own conclusions about your curious mix of two not necessarily related debates. One inadequate government investigation doesn't lead to the sort of veracity needed to somehow justify one of the latest iterations of a long, long string of justifications for hating people. 

I've found it odd from the beginning, considering that if the government case is far from entirely believable, replacing it with one that ties it with "Holocaust revisionism" (I'm with wikipedia here in not seeing what the difference is other than that one is not _quite_ what the other is in terms of, well, whatever that difference might actually be) and thus an even more unbelievable conspiracy theory. I seriously doubt that solves anything for anyone, but maybe I'm a bit cynical in calling CIA blowback when and where I see it.

I guess while we're all drunk and standing around the campfire naked, howling at the moon, one good story deserves another...maybe.

So unless there is some actually some immediate relevancy to our concise statement of purpose...
"An email list for discussion of issues related to the Champaign-Urbana Socialist Forum. "
I propose that people have your contact info and links and can pursue those matters independently with you if they so desire, sign up for your list, etc...not to imply that that is in fact the case for anyone.
Thanks,
Mike Lehman

On 10/3/2013 3:38 PM, Stephen Francis wrote:

Well Mr. Gehrig, let's get specific.  Do you deny that Philip Zelikow (9/11 Commission director) was a Israeli Firster Zionist...and that his main duty on the commission was to shelter Israel from any complicity in 9/11.  Do you support the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission?   Will you answer this question clearly?
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>Below is the Wikipedia entry for 9/11 Commission Criticism.. but first I should remind all that if one searches Wikipedia on Holocaust Revisionism, you are immediately taken to the Holocaust Denial page....as if there was no such thing as Holocaust Revisionism.  I mention this only to show the point that Wikipedia is very Jewish friendly to say the least.
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________________________________
 From: Mike Lehman <rebelmike at earthlink.net>
To: sftalk at yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2013 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [sftalk] Re: [OccupyCU] VeteransToday article: Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos: Parts 1, 2, 3....

Stephen,
This conversation has long ago drifted far away from any
      particular relevancy to the SF list. I suspect most of us have
      come to our own conclusions about your curious mix of two not
      necessarily related debates. One inadequate government
      investigation doesn't lead to the sort of veracity needed to
      somehow justify one of the latest iterations of a long, long
      string of justifications for hating people. 

I've found it odd from the beginning, considering that if the
      government case is far from entirely believable, replacing it with
      one that ties it with "Holocaust revisionism" (I'm with wikipedia
      here in not seeing what the difference is other than that one is
      not _quite_ what the other is in terms of, well, whatever that
      difference might actually be) and thus an even more unbelievable
      conspiracy theory. I seriously doubt that solves anything for
      anyone, but maybe I'm a bit cynical in calling CIA blowback when
      and where I see it.

I guess while we're all drunk and standing around the campfire
      naked, howling at the moon, one good story deserves
      another...maybe.

So unless there is some actually some immediate relevancy to our
      concise statement of purpose...
"An email list for discussion of issues related to the
      Champaign-Urbana Socialist Forum. "
I propose that people have your contact info and links and can
      pursue those matters independently with you if they so desire,
      sign up for your list, etc...not to imply that that is in fact the
      case for anyone.
Thanks,
Mike Lehman

On 10/3/2013 3:38 PM, Stephen Francis wrote:

Well Mr. Gehrig, let's get specific.  Do you deny that Philip Zelikow (9/11 Commission director) was a Israeli Firster Zionist...and that his main duty on the commission was to shelter Israel from any complicity in 9/11.  Do you support the conclusions of the 9/11 Commission?   Will you answer this question clearly?
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>Below is the Wikipedia entry for 9/11 Commission Criticism.. but first I should remind all that if one searches Wikipedia on Holocaust Revisionism, you are immediately taken to the Holocaust Denial page....as if there was no such thing as Holocaust Revisionism.  I mention this only to show the point that Wikipedia is very Jewish friendly to say the least.
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