[Peace-discuss] [sftalk] Re: When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren't Called ‘Hitler’

Sun Oct 6 12:41:17 UTC 2013

I don't know what "Tell all the Truth but tell it slant—" this means?
but if it has something to do with why humanity has been drubbed with the Holocaust for 70 years and (who's Theobold?)....then:

Theobold is as obscure as the fact that the Warburg's (Zionists) helped finance the Bolshevik Revolution and that Hitler was vehemently anti-Jewish/Communist (Lenin, Trotzky...and...).

Theobold is as obscure as the fact that the German people are really the ones that (wink wink) let Hitler gas the Jews.  Germany was winning WW1 until the Sykes-Picot (Wikipedia) and the Balfour Declaration agreement that promised a Jewish state in Palestine if the US would enter the war.  The German people hated the Jews for this.

Germany was threatening British dominance.  WWI and all wars are cooked up and always about financial and resource control.  Research the 'Zimmerman Telegram' and how it is paramount in understanding the meaning of the 'bin Laden' tapes propaganda regime in our times.  The Zimmerman Telegram was 'leaked' just before the US entry into the WWI by a controlled media.

When Russia dropped out of WWI, Britain and France were desperate because Germany could withdraw from the eastern front. German Zionists wanted Palestine so they "stabbed in the back" (Dolchstosslegende, Kansas Press) the German citizens to help the "Allies" defeat the "Central Powers" (Germany, Austria-Hungary and Turkey), thus freeing Palestine from the centuries-old grip of the Ottoman Turks.

(Does this sound familiar?  Iraq was a threat to Israel and a threat to the 'dollar' (banksters).  Saddam Hussein was going to convert oil export sales from the dollar to the euro.  Was the Iraq War fought for Israeli interests? Yes. Iraq was absolutely no threat to the US. There was no WMD found. Lies.  The US people were betrayed just as the Germans in WWI.  Was 9/11the "Pearl Harbor" that kicked off the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, Yes.) ... Inside Job, Yes.  or.... Sen. Dick Durbin and AIPAC pulling out all the stops for the attack on Syria? .... all based on lies about chemical weapons (dejavu).

Back to WWI
The Warburgs (Zionists, Jewish Virtual Library) advised Wilson in negotiating the Treaty of Versailles (war reparations), that led to widespread depression in the German economy, which led to more hatred of the Jews in Germany, which led to the rise of Hitler, which led to the excesses of war (gassing Jews, Gypsies...).  Human beings can be vicious creatures. Jews owned and controlled most German banks and the media.

Germany thrived during the 'Depression', because of Hitler's economic policies and the rejection of the Treaty of Versailles.  The Greatest Story Never Told
The people of Germany loved Hitler (he led them out of economic depression) and hated the Jews for their highly loyal and effective anti-Hitler boycotts. The Transfer Agreements (Wikipedia) were part of this process which led to Zionist funding of emigration to Palestine that actually began in the 1850's via Rothschild funding.

Not a single enemy soldier ever set foot on German soil during WWI, yet Germany surrendered? Who controlled this process? The victors write the history...they say.
There were 150,000 Jews in the Third Reich (Kansas Press) Mischlinge .....they were Jews loyal to Hitler for what he did for the German economy (this is obscured in this article).

Is not Palestine a central theme in world politics? Is Israel accused of being an apartheid regime.  Is not Israel an imperialistic monster?  The Zionists stole Palestine and are killing the Palestinians who are just fighting to get their land back. They will never give that argument away.  Would you?

Hitler got rid of the central banks because he saw there destructive debt-based currency system as the disease that it is.  Currency was produced by the Reich, not private Jewish bankers.  (John F. Kennedy tried the same thing).  This is why the boycotts were instigated. Tensions mounted and the Germans responded by boycotting Jewish stores.

In WWII, Hitler only looked East until Britain and France declared war. There were atrocities on all sides.  The Kaytn Massacre was eventually rightly blamed on the Russians.  

Hitler created concentration camps much the same way that the Japanese internment camps were created in the US, to remove a perceived internal threat (Zionists).  The biggest cause of death in the concentration camps was typhus, which was spread by fleas.  Zyklon b was used as a disinfectant, the corpses of the dead were burned in ovens to to dispose of the diseased individuals.  This is just as believable a version as those who say they were intentionally murdered by gassing. The victors in this case have control of the tale.  The International Red Cross puts the number at 400,000.  Israel got there state, but are they the real victors?  I say not.  I would never want to be in there shoes, not for a second.

Is the napalm that has deformed hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese or the depleted uranium in weapons used in Kosovo, Iraq, Libya, Syria (Israel) any less atrocious than the gas chambers?  Was the nuclear attack on Japan much more 'political' than people are led to believe?

The above is the real history of an important part of the twentieth century that you'll never read in text books.  You will be crapped on for stating it, but you're accusers never try to prove you wrong, they just attack you as anti-semitic.  That's ok, the tide is turning.  These issues are absolutely relevant today (Syria, Yemen, Sudan, everywhere) and will be in the future.  When someone calls you antisemitic it just means you've struck a nerve of truth.  

The same people that are taking away our civil liberties and have amassed an obscene amount of wealth are the same people that murdered nearly 4000 people (1100 First Responders) on 9/11. .... and 1 million Iraqis.

From: C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
To: E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森 <ewj at pigsqq.org> 
Cc: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>; sftalk <sftalk at yahoogroups.com>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> 
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 4:17 PM
Subject: [sftalk] Re: [Peace-discuss] When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren't Called ‘Hitler’

Tell all the Truth but tell it slant—

On Oct 5, 2013, at 3:48 PM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" <ewj at pigsqq.org> wrote:

> I had heard of him.
> 
> Of course I am nobody.
> 
> Dont tell emily dickinson that there are 3 of us.
> 
> 
> On 10/06/13 0:42, Stephen Francis wrote:
>> The point here is that no one has ever heard of Leopold....Why is that?
>> 
>> From: E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森 <ewj at pigsqq.org>
>> To: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> 
>> Cc: sftalk <sftalk at yahoogroups.com>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 9:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren't Called ‘Hitler’
>> 
>> King Leopold of Belgium was an interesting fellow.
>> 
>> Most of those killed in the Congo were killed by fellow Africans
>> who became the military police, and by pestilence.
>> 
>> Not exactly a round 'em up and kill 'em programme like Hitler
>> but atrocious none the less.
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/05/13 22:28, Stephen Francis wrote:
>>> For all you antiSemitism accusation freakoids out there.... Why is it that the vast majority have never heard of King Leopold II of Belgium. 
>>> The website WalkingButterfly is not anti-semitic....and notice all the Socialist organizations advertising.
>>> http://www.walkingbutterfly.com/2010/12/22/when-you-kill-ten-million-africans-you-arent-called-hitler/
>>> http://www.walkingbutterfly.com/?s=holocaust&submit.x=-1255&submit.y=-147  See Socialist advertising.
>>> Mark Twain:  “King Leopold’s soliloquy; a defense of his Congo rule“ 
>>> When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren’t Called ‘Hitler’
>>> Take a look at this picture. Do you know who it is?
>>> Most people haven’t heard of him.
>>> But you should have. When you see his face or hear his name you should get as sick in your stomach as when you read about Mussolini or Hitler or see one of their pictures. You see, he killed over 10 million people in the Congo.
>>> His name is King Leopold II of Belgium.
>>> He “owned” the Congo during his reign as the constitutional monarch of Belgium. After several failed colonial attempts in Asia and Africa, he settled on the Congo. He “bought” it and enslaved its people, turning the entire country into his own personal slave plantation. He disguised his business transactions as “philanthropic” and “scientific” efforts under the banner of the International African Society. He used their enslaved labor to extract Congolese resources and services. His reign was enforced through work camps, body mutilations, executions, torture, and his private army.
>>> Most of us aren’t taught about him in school. We don’t hear about him in the media. He’s not part of the widely repeated narrative of oppression (which includes things like the Holocaust during World War II). He’s part of a long history of colonialism, imperialism, slavery and genocide in Africa that would clash with the social construction of the white supremacist narrative in our schools. It doesn’t fit neatly into a capitalist curriculum. Making overtly racist remarks is (sometimes) frowned upon in polite society, but it’s quite fine not to talk about genocides in Africa perpetrated by European capitalist monarchs.
>>> Mark Twain wrote a satire about Leopold called “King Leopold’s soliloquy; a defense of his Congo rule“, where he mocked the King’s defense of his reign of terror, largely through Leopold’s own words. It’s an easy read at 49 pages long. Mark Twain is a popular author for American public schools. But like most political authors, we will often read some of their least political writings or read them without learning why the author wrote them (Orwell’s Animal Farm for example serves to re-inforce American anti-socialist propaganda, but Orwell was an anti-capitalist revolutionary of a different kind, and that is never pointed out). We can read about Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer, but King Leopold’s Soliloquy isn’t on the reading list. This isn’t by accident. Reading lists are created by boards of education in order to prepare students to follow orders and endure boredom well. From the point of view of the Education Department,
 Africans have no history.
>>> When we learn about Africa, we learn about a caricaturized Egypt, about the HIV epidemic (but never its causes), about the surface level effects of the slave trade, and maybe about South African Apartheid (which of course now is long, long over). We also see lots of pictures of starving children on Christian Ministry commercials, we see safaris on animal shows, and we see pictures of deserts in films and movies. But we don’t learn about the Great African War or Leopold’s Reign of Terror during the Congolese Genocide. Nor do we learn about what the United States has done in Iraq and Afghanistan, killing millions of people through bombs, sanctions, disease and starvation. Body counts are important. And we don’t count Afghans, Iraqis, or Congolese.
>>> There’s a Wikipedia page called “Genocides in History”. The Congolese Genocide isn’t included. The Congo is mentioned though. What’s now called the Democratic Republic of the Congo is listed in reference to the Second Congo War (also called Africa’s World War and the Great War of Africa), where both sides of the multinational conflict hunted down Bambenga and ate them. Cannibalism and slavery are horrendous evils which must be entered into history and talked about for sure, but I couldn’t help thinking whose interests were served when the only mention of the Congo on the page was in reference to multi-national incidents where a tiny minority of people were  eating each other (completely devoid of the conditions which created the conflict). Stories which support the white supremacist narrative about the subhumanness of people in Africa are allowed to be entered into the records of history. The white guy who turned the Congo into
 his own personal part-plantation, part-concentration camp, part-Christian ministry and killed 10 to 15 million Conglese people in the process doesn’t make the cut.
>>> You see, when you kill ten million Africans, you aren’t called ‘Hitler’. That is, your name doesn’t come to symbolize the living incarnation of evil. Your name and your picture don’t produce fear, hatred, and sorrow. Your victims aren’t talked about and your name isn’t remembered.
>>> Leopold was just one part of thousands of things that helped construct white supremacy as both an ideological narrative and material reality. Of course I don’t want to pretend that in the Congo he was the source of all evil. He had generals, and foot soldiers, and managers who did his bidding and enforced his laws. It was a system. But that doesn’t negate the need to talk about the individuals who are symbolic of the system. But we don’t even get that. And since it isn’t talked about, what capitalism did to Africa, all the privileges that rich white people gained from the Congolese genocide are hidden. The victims of imperialism are made, like they usually are, invisible.
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