[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] VeteransToday article: Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos: Parts 1, 2, 3....

Sun Oct 6 20:40:50 UTC 2013

What can I say but "Amen, brother, amen".

> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] VeteransToday article: Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos: Parts 1, 2, 3....
> From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 14:29:16 -0500
> CC: david-cu at nukulele.org; sftalk at yahoogroups.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; occupycu at lists.chambana.net
> To: karenaram at hotmail.com
> 
> AWARE intends to be an "anti-war, anti-racism effort" - to oppose the current wars prosecuted by the government who say that they're killing people in our name - and to oppose the various racisms that serve as propaganda cover for those wars.
> 
> A principal (not the only) US client in its criminal imperialism is the racist state of Israel - perhaps uniquely racist, in that all other states, however despotic, are considered to be the states of their inhabitants: Israel however is not the state of its inhabitants but of "the Jewish people world-wide" - a group defined not by religion or politics but by descent - in short, a race.     
> 
> Apologists for the Israeli government use an historic crime - the Judeocide of 70 years ago - as a justification for its current crimes and oppression, committed under our government's patronage. That argument can hardly be taken seriously.  
>  
> Auden wrote,
> 
> "I and the public know 
> What all schoolchildren learn, 
> Those to whom evil is done 
> Do evil in return." 
> 
> He was writing about the Germans.
> 
> --CGE
> 
> On Oct 6, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > David
> >  
> > Having coordinated a forum between AWARE and the ISO related to the Islamophobia sweeping the US, just two years ago, I would certainly suggest to the AWARE group that we organize a protest against any group spreading anti-Islam propaganda, or at least attending in order to argue, protest, correct etc. I do see Islamophobia as very similar to the anti-semitism which took place during the Weimar Republic and the rise of Hitler.  However, a known Islamophobe individual speaking on another topic unrelated to Islam, would likely not cause me or the group to take any action, we support free speech even for those with whom we disagree. I am speaking only for myself, not on behaf of AWARE.
> >  
> > In relation to an anti-semite speaking at the 9/11 Truth conference, your information related to his being a Holocaust denier did in fact discredit him in my eyes, and convinced  me not to attend the Conference, something I might have done out of curiosity and or to support friends who are concerned with the truth behind  9/11. 
> >  
> > As to the truth of 9/11, once proof has been obtained by those better qualified than I to do the research, that it was other than as we know it, I will shout it from the rooftops. Until then I prefer to focus on current issues, in the hopes of preventing future violence and injustice.
> >  
> > Karen Aram
> >  
> > CC: sftalk at yahoogroups.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; occupycu at lists.chambana.net
> > From: david-cu at nukulele.org
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] VeteransToday article: Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos: Parts 1, 2, 3....
> > Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2013 11:07:40 -0500
> > To: karenaram at hotmail.com
> > 
> > Karen, a thoughtful reply that deserves a thoughtful reply in return.
> > 
> > Let's imagine that instead of a Holocaust denier, Steve Francis brought in a nationally known Islamophobe, someone who argues that there is a great international Islamist plot to destroy western civilization and that we are now in an international war of cultures of which only one can survive, and that there is something inherently evil in the heart of Islam. Let's suppose this guy's claim to fame is that he says there's a big Islamic plot to conquer America.
> > 
> > Now let's imagine that AWARE knew, a month ahead of time, that this guy was coming to town to give a talk.
> > 
> > What would AWARE have done? 
> > 
> > Would it have done exactly nothing? No protests, no angry letters to the paper?
> > 
> > Would it have done effectively *less* than nothing by deciding that, rather than attacking the Islamophobia of the speaker, it should instead actively attack someone trying to raise awareness of the true racist nature of the guy giving the talk?
> > 
> > Would the sum total of "anti-racist" action from AWARE be a few highly general platitudinous mumbles on the listserve that "of course we oppose Islamophobia," without even an explicit acknowledgement that an Islamophobe was coming to town?
> > 
> > Would you have looked away, the way you looked away from the Holocaust denier?
> > 
> > If not, what explains the difference? `Are some antiracisms more equal than others?
> > 
> > @%<
> > 
> > On Oct 5, 2013, at 8:49 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Mr. Gehrig
> >  
> > Enough, you've crossed the line maligning those members of AWARE, of whom I'm one, who work very hard on their own time, at their own expense to irradicate war and racism. Some of whom happen to be Jewish.  I've only been involved a few months but some have been involved for many years.
> >  
> > Whatever your problem with Mr. Francis, or Mr. Fetzer, neither of whom I have ever met, as I am, like some others with AWARE, not interested in the  9/11 Truth Conference.  This is an open venue to discuss political views and theories for all, but name calling is not welcome.
> >  
> > You owe AWARE an apology.
> > From: david-cu at nukulele.org
> > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:10:09 -0500
> > To: stephenf1113 at yahoo.com
> > CC: sftalk at yahoogroups.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; occupyCU at lists.chambana.net
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] VeteransToday article: Midwest 9/11	Truth Conference videos: Parts 1, 2, 3....
> > 
> > It's also, you'll see if you take a look, a venue very friendly to Holocaust denial. 
> > 
> > But somehow we're just not supposed to think that's a bad thing. Jews, schmews, it's not like antisemitism is a form of racism or anything. 
> > 
> > Here's a chant you might want to consider for next July 4: "We're AWARE! We're unfair! About Jews we don't care!"
> > 
> > @%<
> > 
> > On Oct 3, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Jim Fetzer, an editor of Veterans Today has written an article about the Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference videos that includes links
> > to all three:
> > 
> > http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/10/03/the-complete-midwest-911-truth-conference-parts-1-2-and-3/
> > 
> > The 9/11 Truth Movement is growing leaps and bounds.
> > 
> > Veterans Today has an Alexa ranking of about 5600 out of about 75 million websites in the US.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Steve Francis
> > NewsFollowUp.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > OccupyCU mailing list
> > OccupyCU at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/occupycu
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.nethttps://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
> > _______________________________________________
> > Peace-discuss mailing list
> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
> 

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20131006/a90a8b01/attachment-0001.html>