[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] [sftalk] Re: When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren't Called ‘Hitler’

[C. G. Estabrook]

Come on, Mike. This is just another small local example of the humbling of American liberalism - from demands that some things be done, to demands that some things just not be said... Hedges has it right.

Regards, Carl

On Oct 7, 2013, at 12:16 AM, Mike Lehman <rebelmike at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Carl,
> As we used to say down on the hog farm, "If you can't tell the 
> difference between the slippery slope and being in the pit...that's your 
> problem."
> 
> We've been enormously tolerant of Mr. Francis and...well, other folks.
> 
> We're also under no obligation to provide a platform for anyone's 
> insulting or egregious behavior, in fact, we'd greatly prefer that we 
> didn't even need to bring that up, that people could manage to treat 
> others as they'd wish to be treated. If that standard can't be 
> maintained without a lot of herding, then Belden's first suggestion that 
> it's a platform that's outlived it's usefulness may be fundamentally 
> correct.
> Mike Lehman
> 
> On 10/6/2013 7:59 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>> Are you channeling Ronald Reagan, Belden?  "I'm paying for this microphone, Mr. Green!" (Nashua NH, 1980)
>>> 
>>> Support for the child-killer in the White House doesn't count as "sick material" and is therefore welcome?
>>> 
>>> ====================
>>> ANTI-WAR PROTESTOR JEREMY GLICK (whose father died in the 9/11 attack): On September 14, do you want to know what I'm doing?
>>> 
>>> BILL O'REILLY: Shut up. Shut up.
>>> 
>>> GLICK: Oh, please don't tell me to shut up.
>>> 
>>> O'REILLY: As respect -- as respect -- in respect for your father, who was a Port Authority worker, a fine American, who got killed unnecessarily by barbarians --
>>> 
>>> GLICK: By radical extremists who were trained by this government --
>>> 
>>> O'REILLY: Out of respect for him --
>>> 
>>> GLICK: .-- not the people of America.
>>> 
>>> O'REILLY: -- I'm not going to --
>>> 
>>> GLICK: -- The people of the ruling class, the small minority.
>>> 
>>> O'REILLY: Cut his mike.
>>> ===================
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 4:42 PM, "Fields, A Belden" <a-fields at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I would just like to say to SFcore that the author of the absurd email below obviously cannot distinguish between the right to free speech and the right to spout hate speech on the site of another group, to which he does not belong, which does not wish to facilitate his speech. SF created this site, it puts the work in to maintain it, and it is under no obligation facilitate racism or anti-Semitism on it. This position in no way infringes on the right of the person to publish his sick material in the public domain or on the site of any other organizations that choose to permit it.
>>>> Belden
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: C. G. Estabrook [cge at shout.net]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 3:26 PM
>>>> To: David Johnson
>>>> Cc: sf-core; Fields, A Belden
>>>> Subject: Re: [sf-core] FW: [sftalk] Re: [Peace-discuss] When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren't Called ‘Hitler’
>>>> 
>>>> Whatever became of, "I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it'?
>>>> 
>>>> It's remarkable how illiberal liberals become when their shibboleths are violated.
>>>> 
>>>> If you don't believe in free speech for people you despise, you don't believe in it at all.
>>>> 
>>>> --CGE
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 6, 2013, at 3:16 PM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Belden,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree 100 %.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The e-mail says " on behalf of Stephen Francis ".
>>>>> So did Stephen Francis post this directly or did someone else post it ?
>>>>> If Stephen Francis posted this fascist bullshit then he should be banned from the list.
>>>>> And I may owe David Gehrig an appology !
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Johnson
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Fields, A Belden
>>>>> To: sf-core at yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: [sf-core] FW: [sftalk] Re: [Peace-discuss] When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren't Called ‘Hitler’
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> SF Talk is being used by people who have nothing to do with Socialist Forum. It is now being used to spread pro-Nazi propaganda. If there is any doubt, see the section on this of the gasing of people int he camps. I suggest that we close SF talk down. The people have a right to spew their anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi trash, but they have not right to facilitation by Socialist Forum or to associate their viciousness with our name.
>>>>> Belden
>>>>> From: sftalk at yahoogroups.com [sftalk at yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Stephen Francis [stephenf1113 at yahoo.com]
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 7:41 AM
>>>>> To: sftalk at yahoogroups.com; E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森
>>>>> Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [sftalk] Re: [Peace-discuss] When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren't Called ‘Hitler’
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know what "Tell all the Truth but tell it slant—" this means?
>>>>> but if it has something to do with why humanity has been drubbed with the Holocaust for 70 years and (who's Theobold?)....then:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Theobold is as obscure as the fact that the Warburg's (Zionists) helped finance the Bolshevik Revolution and that Hitler was vehemently anti-Jewish/Communist (Lenin, Trotzky...and...).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Theobold is as obscure as the fact that the German people are really the ones that (wink wink) let Hitler gas the Jews. Germany was winning WW1 until the Sykes-Picot (Wikipedia) and the Balfour Declaration agreement that promised a Jewish state in Palestine if the US would enter the war. The German people hated the Jews for this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Germany was threatening British dominance. WWI and all wars are cooked up and always about financial and resource control. Research the 'Zimmerman Telegram' and how it is paramount in understanding the meaning of the 'bin Laden' tapes propaganda regime in our times. The Zimmerman Telegram was 'leaked' just before the US entry into the WWI by a controlled media.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When Russia dropped out of WWI, Britain and France were desperate because Germany could withdraw from the eastern front. German Zionists wanted Palestine so they "stabbed in the back" (Dolchstosslegende, Kansas Press) the German citizens to help the "Allies" defeat the "Central Powers" (Germany, Austria-Hungary and Turkey), thus freeing Palestine from the centuries-old grip of the Ottoman Turks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Does this sound familiar? Iraq was a threat to Israel and a threat to the 'dollar' (banksters). Saddam Hussein was going to convert oil export sales from the dollar to the euro. Was the Iraq War fought for Israeli interests? Yes. Iraq was absolutely no threat to the US. There was no WMD found. Lies. The US people were betrayed just as the Germans in WWI. Was 9/11 the "Pearl Harbor" that kicked off the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, Yes.) ... Inside Job, Yes. or.... Sen. Dick Durbin and AIPAC pulling out all the stops for the attack on Syria? .... all based on lies about chemical weapons (dejavu).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Back to WWI
>>>>> The Warburgs (Zionists, Jewish Virtual Library) advised Wilson in negotiating the Treaty of Versailles (war reparations), that led to widespread depression in the German economy, which led to more hatred of the Jews in Germany, which led to the rise of Hitler, which led to the excesses of war (gassing Jews, Gypsies...). Human beings can be vicious creatures. Jews owned and controlled most German banks and the media.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Germany thrived during the 'Depression', because of Hitler's economic policies and the rejection of the Treaty of Versailles. The Greatest Story Never Told
>>>>> The people of Germany loved Hitler (he led them out of economic depression) and hated the Jews for their highly loyal and effective anti-Hitler boycotts. The Transfer Agreements (Wikipedia) were part of this process which led to Zionist funding of emigration to Palestine that actually began in the 1850's via Rothschild funding.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not a single enemy soldier ever set foot on German soil during WWI, yet Germany surrendered? Who controlled this process? The victors write the history...they say.
>>>>> There were 150,000 Jews in the Third Reich (Kansas Press) Mischlinge .....they were Jews loyal to Hitler for what he did for the German economy (this is obscured in this article).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is not Palestine a central theme in world politics? Is Israel accused of being an apartheid regime. Is not Israel an imperialistic monster? The Zionists stole Palestine and are killing the Palestinians who are just fighting to get their land back. They will never give that argument away. Would you?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hitler got rid of the central banks because he saw there destructive debt-based currency system as the disease that it is. Currency was produced by the Reich, not private Jewish bankers. (John F. Kennedy tried the same thing). This is why the boycotts were instigated. Tensions mounted and the Germans responded by boycotting Jewish stores.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In WWII, Hitler only looked East until Britain and France declared war. There were atrocities on all sides. The Kaytn Massacre was eventually rightly blamed on the Russians.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hitler created concentration camps much the same way that the Japanese internment camps were created in the US, to remove a perceived internal threat (Zionists). The biggest cause of death in the concentration camps was typhus, which was spread by fleas. Zyklon b was used as a disinfectant, the corpses of the dead were burned in ovens to to dispose of the diseased individuals. This is just as believable a version as those who say they were intentionally murdered by gassing. The victors in this case have control of the tale. The International Red Cross puts the number at 400,000. Israel got there state, but are they the real victors? I say not. I would never want to be in there shoes, not for a second.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is the napalm that has deformed hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese or the depleted uranium in weapons used in Kosovo, Iraq, Libya, Syria (Israel) any less atrocious than the gas chambers? Was the nuclear attack on Japan much more 'political' than people are led to believe?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The above is the real history of an important part of the twentieth century that you'll never read in text books. You will be crapped on for stating it, but you're accusers never try to prove you wrong, they just attack you as anti-semitic. That's ok, the tide is turning. These issues are absolutely relevant today (Syria, Yemen, Sudan, everywhere) and will be in the future. When someone calls you antisemitic it just means you've struck a nerve of truth.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The same people that are taking away our civil liberties and have amassed an obscene amount of wealth are the same people that murdered nearly 4000 people (1100 First Responders) on 9/11. .... and 1 million Iraqis.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
>>>>> To: E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森 <ewj at pigsqq.org>
>>>>> Cc: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>; sftalk <sftalk at yahoogroups.com>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 4:17 PM
>>>>> Subject: [sftalk] Re: [Peace-discuss] When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren't Called ‘Hitler’
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tell all the Truth but tell it slant—
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2013, at 3:48 PM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" <ewj at pigsqq.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had heard of him.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Of course I am nobody.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dont tell emily dickinson that there are 3 of us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/06/13 0:42, Stephen Francis wrote:
>>>>>>> The point here is that no one has ever heard of Leopold....Why is that?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森 <ewj at pigsqq.org>
>>>>>>> To: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: sftalk <sftalk at yahoogroups.com>; "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 9:20 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] When You Kill Ten Million Africans You Aren't Called ‘Hitler’
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> King Leopold of Belgium was an interesting fellow.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Most of those killed in the Congo were killed by fellow Africans
>>>>>>> who became the military police, and by pestilence.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Not exactly a round 'em up and kill 'em programme like Hitler
>>>>>>> but atrocious none the less.
>>