[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 Truth Conference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library

[James Fetzer]

This is very strange.  I lot of you claim I am wrong, but you never offer
any PROOF.
Am I dealing with dullards or ops?  Even my interviews about Chomsky are
self-
contained.  When is someone going to take the time to show what they think
I have
wrong.  Lots of attacks with no substance at all.  I think I am dealing
with children.


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 10:43 AM, C. G. Estabrook
<carl at newsfromneptune.com>wrote:

> "...The more interesting question at this point, of course, is this ...
> where does AWARE stand?"
>
> Why does David consider that "the more interesting question"? AWARE has
> not been involved in the Gehrig/Francis contretemps, other than having its
> listserv <peace-discuss> the locus of the debate.
>
> There are members and friends of AWARE who think that the 9/11 Truth
> Movement is on to something - indeed, that it is perhaps the most important
> political question in the US today.
>
> There are others (I'm one) who think that Chomsky has it right: "its major
> impact has been to draw off energy from trying to do anything about the
> problems that have arisen" - i.e., Obama's ongoing wars.
>
> AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of C-U, was founded immediately
> after the attacks of September 11, 2001, by residents of Champaign-Urbana
> and members of the University of Illinois, who saw that the U.S. government
> would use those crimes (whether or not it had guilty knowledge of them) as
> an excuse to carry on and expand its decades-long wars for the control of
> Middle East energy resources.
>
> For a dozen years now, members and friends of AWARE have worked in
> Champaign-Urbana to end the killing by the Bush & Obama administrations, by
> informing their fellow citizens of the real nature of the "war on
> terrorism," in opposition to the largest and most sophisticated propaganda
> campaign in history, conducted by the US government, and directed at the
> American people.
>
> In fact, the US has been carrying on wars in the Middle East for more than
> two generations, practically since the end of the Second World War. (The
> reason is not far to seek: if the principal product of the Mideast were
> asparagus, we wouldn't have half the American military there.) AWARE is
> directed against the ongoing (and expanding) wars for economic control by
> the American 1%. (See the recently published "On Western Terrorism: From
> Hiroshima to Drone Warfare," by Noam Chomsky and Andre Vltchek.)
>
> AWARE has from its beginning been concerned about the racism bound up with
> those wars, viz.,
> (1) the US government's use of anti-Arab (and anti-Muslim) propaganda,
> even though a principal US client is the world's most reactionary Muslim
> state, Saudi Arabia;
> (2) the US government's support for an officially racist state, Israel,
> its other principal client in the region, as a "stationary aircraft
> carrier" in its Mideast crimes; and
> (3) the US government's employment as soldiers and mercenaries of poor
> African-Americans and Latina/os (although a recent study suggests that,
> controlled for class [so to speak], the exploitation of these communities
> is not disproportionate).
>
> It's also been argued within AWARE that anti-racism (and identity politics
> in general) has been a fall-back position of an American liberalism unable
> to counter the vicious class war carried on by neoliberalism for more than
> a generation - and to that extent it's a distraction from the sources of
> the ongoing "Western terrorism." (For the opposite view, see Dave
> Roediger's contribution to this list.)
>
> The efforts of AWARE and many similar groups across the country have
> recently produced a victory for the only enemy the president and the
> neoliberal parties fear - the US populace. Opposition from the Left and
> Right (and from all races) is growing outside the control of the
> Republicans and Democrats; it's stymied for the moment Obama's expansion of
> the war.
>
> --CGE
>
> On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:47 AM, David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org> wrote:
>
> > Steve, your unwillingness to address Fetzer's now well-established
> antisemitism does not magically negate that antisemitism. Neither does it
> negate your personal moral culpability for inviting a nationally known
> Holocaust denier to come speak.
> >
> > The more interesting question at this point, of course, is this. Now
> that Fetzer's made it clear that he is motivated by antisemitism, that he
> does pillage white power sites looking for goodies to use against The Jew
> -- where does AWARE stand?
> >
> > Does AWARE oppose antisemitism this blatant?
> >
> > Do only some kinds of anti-racism result in AWARE action?
> >
> > Is AWARE anti-racist, or only anti-racist with an asterisk?
> >
> > Is AWARE's position "Nazi-schmatzi, who cares, as long as he's not a
> neo-liberal"?
> >
> > @%<
> >
> > On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Just to remind everyone, The Midwest 9/11 Truth Conference is about
> focusing on the evidence of the crime committed on 9/11 and not about
> defending ourselves from attacks of anti-Semitism....and will be conducted
> as such...
>
>
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