[Peace-discuss] Draft flyer (corrected) for AWARE demo, Aug. 3

[Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss]

The 9/11 Truth movement utterly destroys the whole premise for the 'war on terror' by removing the blame of the 9/11 attacks on 'Islamic terrorists'.... Is there any other argument that could do this?
 
All of CGEs or any other person comments on this list, by diminishing the importance of 9/11 Truth are by default making the assumption that the 'war on terror' is a valid phenomena and are taking away the most provable and simplest way to focus on the corruption of our government.

There are powerful forces that don't want this to happen and are pulling out all stops to undermine the 9/11 Truth movement.

The war on Islam was/is an essential ingredient to all the wars and chaos perpetrated by the U.S. / Israel / Britain / Saudi Arabia that has been pounded into the American mind but a relentless MSM barrage of lies and propaganda. Take away the Islamophobic premise and all you have left is corruption / greed / imperialism / oil wars....

9/11 Truth removes the whole Islamic argument and puts two illegal wars right at the footsteps of our corrupt leaders..... Is there anything more powerful?

There are those that say that 'they' (1%) would have found some way if not 9/11 to accomplish their goals...but the fact of the matter is that the 9/11 False Flag attack was their method of choice.  The Patriot Act was signed within a couple of weeks of 9/11, NSA, the militarization of our police departments, .... on and on.

The same people behind the obscene disparity of wealth, financial corruption and murder in Palestine are the same people that did 9/11.  




On Monday, August 4, 2014 7:22 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
 


The reference to the Giant Rat of Sumatra was a response to Francis' Illuminati-like list of conspiracies. The sleep of reason breeds monsters.

(In "The Adventure of the Sussex Vampire", published in 1924, Arthur Conan Doyle has Sherlock Holmes remark to Dr. Watson, "Matilda Briggs was not the name of a young woman, Watson ... It was a ship which is associated with the giant rat of Sumatra, a story for which the world is not yet prepared.")

As for gatekeeping, I suggest that's the role of the US media, which we need to combat. They're in the position of Aeschylus' watchman (on its belly, like a dog), guarding the secrets of this 'house,' the USG:

As for all the rest, I’m saying nothing.
     A great ox stands on my tongue. But this house,
     if it could speak, might tell some stories.
     I speak to those who know about these things.
     For those who
 don’t, there’s nothing I remember...

--CGE



On Aug 4, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> I'm definitely not accusing you in any way of obscuring my poster...
> I'm just suggesting that the Channel 3 person moved her camera to the only place on the corner that placed you and another person in front of my poster.  That was her move not yours.  I thank you for taking the pic included in this message.
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> The oversized poster was just my way of communicating my belief that there is gatekeeping going on in this community.
> In my
 exchange with CGE, he bailed out of the gatekeeping conversation with a David Gehrig tactic (by the way... Where's David? I miss him)...by mentioning a Rat from Sumatra or something....
> So I just responded with a joke about a conspiracy with Channel 3 censoring my sign.  I thought it was curious that she moved her camera.  You would have to ask her why she moved the camera.   Would she admit that she moved to hide my poster....NO....
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> but...
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> A significant question would be: Would Channel 3 actually air a video with a sign that had the term 'ethnic cleansing' and the Israeli national emblem on the same poster.  I think not.
> Would Channel 3 be ok with 'Free Gaza', or 'Illegal settlements'.... yes.... they are obvious and innocuous.
> Combining Israel and Ethnic Cleansing crosses the line for
 the MSM... or am I being conspiratorial here....??  That's why I did it and it directly confronts CGE's argument that the reason for Israeli aggression is that Israel is an American aircraft carrier (which is true and significant, but not the most underlying issue in the Middle East.... The creation and existence of Israel itself trumps the 'aircraft carrier'.
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> The best gatekeepers are the one's that get the most support and have the most influence from the very people that they are gatekeeping.  CGE matches that description and Chomsky does it on a national basis.  
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> Ethnic cleansing gets too close to the territorial expansion schemes by Israel....It gets too close to the reasons for the very creation and existence of Israel and how it actually happened and how it is portrayed by Israel.... and deligitimization.  Gaza and
 Operation Protective Edge are symptoms not causes...... the American aircraft carrier is innocuous jawboning. 9/11 Truth is about criminal prosecution of the murder of 3000 people.
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> Again, the question has to be asked: How could a people who supposedly suffered the 'Holocaust' murder untold thousands of Palestinians who are just trying to reclaim land that was stolen from them.  The Zionists real motive is expansion.  They are threatened by 1,800,000 Palestinian refugee/prisoners that they created in their ethnic cleansing of Palestine and only know violence as a means to remedy their 'problem'.
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> Its roots are in the 'Holocaust', Israel would not exist without it... and the UN partition plan, and the preemptive strike in 1967, the illegal settlements, .... and on and on.
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> On , Stephen Francis
 <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I'm definitely not accusing you in any way of obscuring my poster...
> I'm just suggesting that the Channel 3 person moved her camera to the only place on the corner that placed you and another person in front of my poster.  That was her move not yours.  I thank you for taking the pic included in this message.
> 
> The oversized poster was just my way of communicating my belief that there is gatekeeping going on in this community.
> In my exchange with CGE, he bailed out of the gatekeeping conversation with a David Gehrig tactic (by the way... Where's David? I miss him)...by mentioning a Rat from Sumatra or something....
> So I just responded with a joke
 about a conspiracy with Channel 3 censoring my sign.  I thought it was curious that she moved her camera.  You would have to ask her why she moved the camera.   Would she admit that she moved to hide my poster....NO....
> 
> but...
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> A significant question would be: Would Channel 3 actually air a video with a sign that had the term 'ethnic cleansing' and the Israeli national emblem on the same poster.  I think not.
> Would Channel 3 be ok with 'Free Gaza', or 'Illegal settlements'.... yes.... they are obvious and innocuous.
> Combining Israel and Ethnic Cleansing crosses the line for the MSM... or am I being conspiratorial here....??  That's why I did it and it directly confronts CGE's argument that the reason for Israeli aggression is that Israel is an American aircraft carrier (which is true and significant, but
 not the most underlying issue in the Middle East.... The creation and existence of Israel itself trumps the 'aircraft carrier'.
> 
> The best gatekeepers are the one's that get the most support and have the most influence from the very people that they are gatekeeping.  CGE matches that description and Chomsky does it on a national basis.  
> 
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> Ethnic cleansing gets too close to the territorial expansion schemes by Israel....It gets too close to the reasons for the very creation and existence of Israel and how it actually happened and how it is portrayed by Israel.... and deligitimization.  Gaza and Operation Protective Edge are symptoms not causes...... the American aircraft carrier is innocuous jawboning. 9/11 Truth is about criminal prosecution of the murder of 3000 people.
> 
> Again, the question
 has to be asked: How could a people who supposedly suffered the 'Holocaust' murder untold thousands of Palestinians who are just trying to reclaim land that was stolen from them.  The Zionists real motive is expansion.  They are threatened by 1,800,000 Palestinian refugee/prisoners that they created in their ethnic cleansing of Palestine and only know violence as a means to remedy their 'problem'.
> 
> Its roots are in the 'Holocaust', Israel would not exist without it... and the UN partition plan, and the preemptive strike in 1967, the illegal settlements, .... and on and on.
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> On Monday, August 4, 2014 5:42 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Stephen
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> If there is any "conspiracy" here, its probably you, paid by the US government to take up our time and distract us from focusing on the problems and issues of today. That's what they do sometimes, infiltrate, disrupt, distract, .........., It was nice that you showed up yesterday at the demonstration with your huge sign, but how do we know it wasn't just to determine who was there? You now have our names, faces, etc. to turn over to your employer.
> Just kidding.
> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 03:15:09 -0700
> To: ewj at pigsqq.org; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Draft flyer (corrected) for AWARE demo, Aug. 3
> From: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
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> I was joking about the conspiracy....
> But also thought that a couple of you would take the bait and think I was serious......(maybe  :)
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> I just find it very telling and consistent that 9/11 Truth has been carved out of the peace movement and vilified.  This IS a conspiracy whose roots are in NYC.
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> Over 2200 professional architects and engineers agree that WTC twin towers and WTC7 were demolished murdering 3000 people.   Arab patsies could not have done it the way our corrupt government describes according to the laws of physics.  They also cannot find any like professionals to debate them and their work is
 peer-reviewed unlike NIST.
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> How can you protest against our government and trust what they say about 9/11.... It doesn't make sense unless their is a hidden agenda behind the inconsistency..... You all know what I think about that.... 
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> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 9:58 PM, ewjohnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> Stephen,
> A lot of what you have to say is useful and relevant.
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> CGE has perhaps more than anyone defended your right to say it.
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> It isn't very healthy to find a daemon behind every bush.
> (Some of them have several.)
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> On 08/04/2014 10:31 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss wrote:
> Here's a conspiracy for ya...
> Channel 3 sent out a video person to
 record the massive crowd of 6-8 people at Church and Neil demonstration today.
> She first set up her camera at the North East corner then moved it to the Northwest corner when she discovered what my poster said.
> She deliberately set the camera up in a new position where two other protesters obscured the view of my poster....
> see attachment....
> Is this a conspiracy or what?  .... 
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> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 6:59 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
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> You left out the Giant Rat of Sumatra, "a story for which the world is not yet prepared."
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> You (CGE) have very eloquently proven my point.  Chomsky's prominence as an intellectual voice for the 99% is undeniable except for 9/11 Truth. Coming from a 9/11 Truther, this is a glaring inconsistency, because the same people we all rail against did 9/11 in our view.
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> There is an ever growing list of dubious 'Commissions' and cover-ups involving international crimes that have not passed the stink test including the Warren Commission, the Dreyfus Affair, The Gladio Stay Behind Network, Dimona, The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, Pedophile Priests, Pearl Harbor, The Looting of Russia after the breakup of the Soviet Union, The USS Liberty, Iran Contra, the looting of Japan
 after WWII, Murdochs Phone Hacking, the Lincoln assassination, Holocaust Hoax, WWI and WWII war profiteering, Stalin's last years, failed Cuban invasion, the Hollywood creation called the Italian mafia, ....on and on... 9/11 has just joined the list.
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> Once it becomes common knowledge that 9/11 really was an inside job (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Britain and the U. S.) Chomsky is going to have more than egg on his face.  He will be proven an accomplice to the crime.
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> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:44 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
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> Chomsky was of course "a nationally recognized figure" for more than 40 years before the events of 9/11/2001.
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> As a young man he did for the study of language roughly what Einstein had done for physics: he established a new model for the subsequent science. 
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> In the 1960's he took up writing against Kennedy's war in SE Asia and quickly became one of the most important anti-war voices with articles like "The Responsibility of Intellectuals" (1967) <http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19670223.htm> and "On the Backgrounds of the Pacific War" (1967) <http://www.chomsky.info/articles/196709--.htm> - still very much worth reading. 
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> Chomsky is an anarchist (libertarian socialist, if you prefer). He presents a convincing case for that position in "Government in the Future" (1970)
 <http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2006/11/noam-chomsky-lecture-from-1970-full.html>.
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> His brief book "9-11" was a best seller in 2001, because it didn't follow the US government/media line. Here's a summary:
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> "In '9-11', published in November 2001 and arguably the single most influential post 9-11 book, internationally renowned thinker Noam Chomsky bridged the information gap around the World Trade Center attacks, cutting through the tangle of political opportunism, expedient patriotism, and general conformity that choked off American discourse in the months immediately following. Chomsky placed the attacks in context, marshaling his deep and nuanced knowledge of American foreign policy to trace the history of American political aggression -
 in the Middle East and throughout Latin America as well as in Indonesia, in Afghanistan, in India and Pakistan - at the same time warning against America’s increasing reliance on military rhetoric and violence in its response to the attacks, and making the critical point that the mainstream media and public intellectuals were failing to make: any escalation of violence as a response to violence will inevitably lead to further, and bloodier, attacks on innocents in America and around the world..."
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> Chomsky's politics are such that he is cordially hated by soi-disant liberals and progressives. In an interview in 2008 he said, 
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> "I should say that the place where I am most feared and despised is probably in left liberal intellectual circles. If you want to see a graphic indication of this, take a look at one of my favorite journal covers, which is framed and posted right
 outside my door. It’s the more or less official journal of left liberal intellectuals, The American Prospect, and the cover depicts the terrible circumstances in which they try to survive – the enormous forces that are virtually destroying them.
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> "In the picture, two figures are depicted; two faces, sneering and angry. On one side is Dick Cheney and the Pentagon, on the other side is me. The left liberal intellectuals are caught between these two huge forces. This depiction is indicative of the paranoia and concern that there might be some small break in orthodoxy. The liberal intellectuals (and not just in the United States) are typically the guardians at the gates: we’ll go this far, but not one millimeter farther; and it’s terrifying to think that somebody might go a millimeter farther. This extends throughout the major media too. So, yes, the United States is a very free country, in fact it’s the
 freest country in the world. I don’t think freedom of speech, for example, is protected anywhere in the world as much as it is here. But it’s a very managed society, it’s a business-run society, carefully managed, with strict doctrinal requirements and no deviation tolerated – this would be too dangerous.
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> "One of the reasons it’s too dangerous is that the political establishment, both political parties and the political class, is, on many major issues, well to the right of the population. On health care, for example, which you’ve written about for decades, the population is to the left of the establishment, and has been so forever. And the same is true for many other issues. So, permitting issues to be discussed is threatening, and permitting deviation from a kind of party line is dangerous and has to be carefully controlled."
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> --CGE
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> On Aug 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> > I accuse CGE of gatekeeping because of his incessant quoting of Chomsky.  
> > I think Chomsky is in part a nationally recognized figure because of his views on 9/11 Truth. 
> > In efforts to control the opposition he plays a perfect role.
> > He is a prolific author and the vast majority of his positions are acceptable to 'liberals', progressives'....etc  (whatever they are?)
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> > Zionists are very fearful of 9/11 Truth because it really threatens them, so they have to ridicule and keep people distracted from it.
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> > Chomsky keeps people talking and not acting.
> > 9/11 Truth is about acting.  It's about prosecuting criminals not jawboning policy. CGE is a jawboner.....
> > NYC CAN's effort was successful and they are in a strong position to challenge any legal obstacles in their path.
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> > On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:43 AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
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> > Good article about Bolivia and other South American countries pulling their ambassadors from Israel,
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> > However, the other article is absolute nonsense. There are no " left-wing " U.S. Congressmen and Senators.
> > Only corporate controlled neo-cons and neo-liberals.
> > The ONLY elected official
 in the entire U.S. that I am aware of who is
> >  " Left-wing " would be Socialist City Council member Kshama Sawant in Seattle.
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> > And your continued accusations of Carl as a " Zionist Gatekeeper " is absurd and borders on the delusional.
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