[Peace-discuss] Draft flyer (corrected) for AWARE demo, Aug. 3

[Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss]

You are trying to dilute and spread out the 'war on terror' across many countries and history in order to take the bite out of my claim, but in the process you are leaving out some very important points that focus on 9/11 as THE most important event in the transition from the Cold War / Breakup of the Soviet Union and the new era of 'the war on terror'.  ... and Israel's push to use America to fight its wars.... just as it is supplying replacement arms for Operation Protective Edge.


and .... It sounds like you (CGE) are saying it's ok if they get away with murder because no one has been able to pin it on them. "After all, it's known that Cheney had guilty knowledge of the (in some ways more serious) CIA torture regime. And we've seen the reaction to that."  This is pathetic gatekeeping! .... you are basically excusing them from murder. What about the facts, the evidence?  Are these to be brushed aside because of complacency?  This is also Chomsky's line of BS.


anyway....:
Very few people remember the three terms: 'The Vulcans', the 'Israeli Art Students' and the 'White House Iraq Group' ... all heavily Zionist influenced groups..... but I will remind us of their importance.... and PNAC (the need for a new Pearl Harbor)
Wikipedia does not even have an entry for the Israeli Art Students which is incredibly strong evidence of a cover-up of the fact that nearly 200 were Israelis arrested and deported shortly after 9/11 for their spying activities and casing of the 9/11 patsy hijackers. Fortunately FoxNews did an extended piece on it but ran the story only once. FoxNews  which reports also on Amdocs role in the whole affair.
 
These three issues are just a tip of the iceberg of pressure points by Israel / Neocons to initiate the Iraq War.  

It is completely untrue that Bush couldn't make a connection between Iraq and 9/11.  Polls of U.S. military personel said that nearly 80% believed there was a connection. Murdoch's media circus ran non-stop on the issue in the run-up to the war.... and Rice / Bush comments on a  'mushroom cloud'... and on and on.

First the Vulcans: from Wikipedia: "During the campaign, Bush sought to deflect questions about his own lack of foreign policy experience by pointing to this group of experienced advisers. After the election, all the members of the team received key positions within the new Bush administration." Libby, Wolfowitz, Perle, Armitage, Hadley, Zakheim, Zoelick, Cheney, Schultz were all either Zionists, dual Israeli / US citizens or interlocutors.
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From Wikipedia: The Vulcans is a nickname used to refer to Republican Presidential candidate George W. Bush's foreign policy advisory team assembled to brief him prior to the 2000 U.S. presidential election. The Vulcans were led by Condoleezza Rice and included Richard Armitage, Robert Blackwill, Stephen Hadley, Richard Perle, Dov S. Zakheim, Robert Zoellick and Paul Wolfowitz, and Wolfowitz protégé, Scooter Libby. Other key campaign figures including Dick Cheney, George P. Shultz and Colin Powell were also closely associated with the group but were never actually members. During the campaign, Bush sought to deflect questions about his own lack of foreign policy experience by pointing to this group of experienced advisers. After the election, all the members of the team received key positions within the new Bush administration.

and the Israeli Art Students.... of which nearly 200 were deported right after 9/11 for illegal espionage activity.  What is particulary interesting is that Wikipedia omits any real reference to them, which is highly significant.  They want to cover-up their existence.
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Israeli Art Students refers to a group of individuals arrested by federal law enforcement authorities prior to the terrorist attacks on America September 11, 2001. There is some controversy as to whether the Israelis posed any threat to national security. Some believe the art students were young tourists visiting America, attempting to sell their art work as a way to defer expenses. Others claim the Israeli art student phenomenon was an elaborate intelligence operation designed to circumvent federal drug investigations. It has also been suggested that some of the Israelis may have been monitoring the Arab hijackers that came to America prior to 9/11.
Contents [hide]
	* 1 Targeting the DEA and defense locations
	* 2 DEA Report
	* 3 Media coverage and government denials
	* 4 Ecstasy trafficking investigations
	* 5 Israel / al Qaeda connection
	* 6 Timeline
	* 7 Notes
	* 8 See also
	* 9 External links 
Targeting the DEA and defense locations
In January 2000 persons claiming to be Israeli art students began appearing at the offices of the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) wanting to sell art work.[1]They were divided into teams of eight to ten individuals with a designated team leader. Art student teams appeared in 42 towns and cities across the United States, mostly the southeast and southwest parts of the country. The art they were selling appears to have been made in China. [2]
Many of them claimed to be students at Bezalel Academy of Arts in Jerusalem or the University of Jerusalem. Their enrollment at Bezalen Academy was never confirmed and the University of Jerusalem doesn't exist. Their sales pitch would at times involve promoting a new art exhibit and they would ask for business cards so information on the upcoming exhibit could be mailed to the interested buyer.
The Israelis appeared to be targeting the offices and homes of individuals working at the Drug Enforcement Agency. In addition, they were reports of them at 36 Department of Defense locations.[3] Around 140 Israelis were arrested or detained between March 2001 and September 11, 2001.[4] Although suspected of espionage, many were deported on visa and work violations. After 9/11 an additional 60 Israelis (most working a shopping mall kiosks) were arrested and deported after intensive interrogations. It was determined some of these were on active duty serving the in Israeli military.
DEA Report
Officials at the Drug Enforcement Agency began assembling a report on activities of Israeli art students appearing at the homes and offices of DEA officials. Reports came from various parts of the country indicating a similar pattern. The report is quite detailed and provides the names, dates of birth and other identifying information on the Israelis that were stop and interrogated by the FBI and other security officials.[5]
The report revealed a majority of the Israelis interviewed by US investigators had military backgrounds with expertise in intelligence, electronic surveillance and explosives. One “art student” was the son of a two-star Israeli general while another had provided security to the head of the Israeli Army. The report concluded, “That these people are now traveling in the U.S. selling art seems not to fit their background.”[6]
The report was leaked to the media and placed up on the Internet.
Media coverage and government denials
In December 2001, Carl Cameron with Fox News did a series of reports on Israeli espionage, with a focus on the Israeli Art Students.[7] In his reporting he hinted that the Israelis were part of an espionage ring that was also monitoring the al Qaeda cells responsible for 9/11. One government official told Cameron, "evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."[8]
After the Israeli espionage report aired, Jewish groups began a campaign of intimidation against Fox News expressing their concern over Cameron’s reporting. They argued Fox News had always been fair to Israel in the past, but suggested Cameron may be sympathetic to theArabs since his family lived in the Middle East–his father being an archaeologist in the area. Within a week Fox News yielded to the Jewish pressure and removed all references of Cameron’s reporting from their web site.[9] The story however, was copied and saved at other Internet sites.
Two months later reporting on the Israeli Art Students hits Europe. The Paris based Internet source Intelligence Online reported, "a huge Israeli spy ring operating in the United States was rolled up." A week later Le Monde labels the "vast Israeli spy network" as being the "largest case of Israeli spying" since the 1985 arrest of Jonathan Pollard.[10] Pollard was an American Jew convicted on espionage charges and spying for Israel.
In an attempt to kill the story circulating in Europe concerning an Israeli spy ring in America, officials in the US government began issuing denials. Justice Department spokeswoman Susan Dryden was reported in the Washington Post as saying, "This seems to be an urban myth that has been circulating for months." At the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS), Russell Bergeon said dozens of Israelis were arrested during the first half of 2001 on normal routine cases involving improper INS paperwork and added he had no knowledge of any Israeli espionage. With the official government denials, mainstream reporters for the most part stopped covering the story.
Ecstasy trafficking investigations
One exception was Paul Rodriguez with Insight magazine: a publication associated with the conservative Washington Times. Insight had been working on the story before the denials and obtained a Justice Department official’s comment saying, "We think there is something quite sinister here but are unable at this time to put our finger on it." and added, "The higher-ups don't want to deal with this and neither does the FBI because it involves Israel."[11]
Rodriguez’ spin on the story involved the “art students” focus on the DEA personnel and ongoing “Ecstasy” drug investigations. The “students” were appearing at the homes of DEA agents as well as their offices. It was suggested in the article this might be an attempt to derail DEA investigations into Ecstasy trafficking since Israel is a major supplier of the synthetic drug.[12]
Israel / al Qaeda connection
The two French reports added new information to the story. It was revealed six of the ‘art students’ had special phones for communication that were purchased by a former Israeli vice consul to the United States. Also, two of the Israelis had traveled from Hamburg, Germany (the base of the al Qaeda cell in Europe) to Miami, Florida and apparently reported to an agent in the FBI. That same day the two Israelis traveled to Chicago, Illinois and visited the home of a Justice Department official and later that evening flew directly to Toronto, Canada.[13]
According to Intelligence Online more that one third of the Israelis were located in Florida: many in the city of Hollywood where the Hamburg al Qaeda cell made their new home. The addresses of the Israelis and the terrorists were at times blocks away indicating a surveillance operation. For example, some Israelis lived at 4220 Sheridan Street while Mohammed Atta and three others were in an apartment at 3389 Sheridan Street. The DEA report indicated several of the Israelis arrested had backgrounds in military intelligence and electronic surveillance.Israeli Art Students - Metapedia
  
             
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and the White House Iraq Group
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The White House Iraq Group (aka, White House Information Group or WHIG) was the propaganda arm of the White House whose purpose was to sell the 2003 invasion of Iraq to the public. The task force was set up in August 2002 by White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and chaired by Karl Rove to coordinate all theexecutive branch elements in the run-up to the war in Iraq. One example of the WHIG's functions and influence is the "escalation of rhetoric about the danger that Iraq posed to the U.S., including the introduction of the term 'mushroom cloud'"[1].
The 1967 White House Information Group under President Lyndon B. Johnson was similar in name and function.
Contents  [hide] 
	* 1 "Up to the Invasion"
	* 2 Members
	* 3 Response to Yellowcake Forgery Issue
	* 4 CIA leak scandal
	* 5 References
	* 6 External links
"Up to the Invasion"[edit]
Soon after WHIG was formed, the Bush Administration's claims about the danger Iraq posed escalated significantly:
	* July 23, 2002: The Downing Street Memo was written, in which British intelligence said "C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."
	* August, 2002: White House Iraq Group formed.
	* September 5, 2002: In a WHIG meeting, chief Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson proposes the use of a "smoking gun/mushroom cloud" metaphor to sell the American public on the supposed nuclear dangers posed by Saddam Hussein. According to Newsweek columnist Michael Isikoff, "The original plan had been to place it in an upcoming presidential speech, but WHIG members fancied it so much that when the Times reporters contacted the White House to talk about their upcoming piece [about aluminum tubes], one of them leaked Gerson's phrase — and the administration would soon make maximum use of it." (Hubris, p. 35.)[2]
	* September 6, 2002: In an interview with the New York Times, Andrew Card did not mention the WHIG specifically but hinted at its mission: "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August." On September 17, 2002, Matt Miller stated on NPR that the above quote from Andrew Card was in response to the question: "... why the administration waited until after Labor Day to try to sell the American people on military action against Iraq" [3]
	* September 7, 2002: Judith Miller of The New York Times reports Bush administration officials said "In the last 14 months, Iraq has sought to buy thousands of specially designed aluminum tubes, which American officials believe were intended as components of centrifuges to enrich uranium."[4] In fact, many government officials had concluded the tubes were unsuitable for uranium refinement.
	* September 7-8, 2002: President Bush and nearly all his top advisers blanketed the airwaves, talking about the dangers posed by Iraq.[5]
	* On NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice President Richard Cheney cited the New York Times article, and accused Saddam of moving aggressively to develop nuclear weapons over the past fourteen months to add to his stockpile of chemical and biological arms.
	* On CNN, Condi Rice acknowledged that "there will always be some uncertainty" in determining how close Iraq may be to obtaining a nuclear weapon but said, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
	* On CBS, President Bush said U.N. weapons inspectors, before they were denied access to Iraq in 1998, concluded that Saddam was "six months away from developing a weapon." He also cited satellite photos released by a U.N. agency Friday that show unexplained construction at Iraq sites that weapons inspectors once visited to search for evidence Saddam was trying to develop nuclear arms. "I don't know what more evidence we need," Bush said.
	* October 14, 2002: President Bush says of Saddam "This is a man that we know has had connections with al Qaeda. This is a man who, in my judgment, would like to use al Qaeda as a forward army." [6]
	* January 21, 2003: Bush says of Saddam "He has weapons of mass destruction -- the world's deadliest weapons -- which pose a direct threat to the United States, our citizens and our friends and allies." [7]
	* February 5, 2003: Colin Powell addresses the United Nations, asserting that there was "no doubt in my mind" that Saddam was working to obtain key components to produce nuclear weapons.
	* March 19, 2003: The U.S. invades Iraq.


On Monday, August 4, 2014 11:26 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
 


The "war on terror" propaganda for US imperial crimes has never depended on the 9-11 attacks (which were in fact counter-attacks for US crimes, as the perpetrators said: the deaths of a half-million children from the Clinton sanctions on Iraq, the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, and the US troops in Saudi Arabia). The Bush II administration, e.g., could never make a connection between Iraq and 9-11 and were therefore reduced to relying on other lies (like Powell's at the UN) to attack Iraq.  

The Reagan administration announced in 1984 that their foreign policy would be a "war against terrorism."  They were attempting some "product differentiation" (i.e., why Coke is not Pepsi) from the essentially-similar Carter foreign policy (Reagan in Lebanon was in fact less belligerent
 than Carter in Iran), and the war-on-terror rhetoric has been used by all subsequent administrations - Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama. 

US imperialism relies on the leading Muslim states (not just Israel) - Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Indonesia, formerly Iran - and so it is hardly a "war on Islam." But since the real motives - US economic hegemony for the benefit of the 1% - can't be admitted, the war-on-terrorism talk includes "Islamic terrorism" as a way to misrepresent the resistance to US depredations. (And of course the US encouraged it, as Israel - by their own admission - encouraged the birth of Hamas. Forty years ago, America's Israeli-aided destruction of secular Arab nationalism - which had been a check to US control of energy resources - left the resistance to US imperialism in the hands of religious parties.)

Even if it were shown beyond a doubt that Cheney, say, had guilty knowledge of a CIA plot to aid the 9-11 attacks, I doubt it would make much difference now. After all, it's known that Cheney had guilty knowledge of the (in some ways more serious) CIA torture regime. And we've seen the reaction to that.

The Obama administration would protect a 9/11-compromised Cheney as it's protected the arch-murderer and terrorist John Brennan. 

After all, they're all in the same business. --CGE



On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The 9/11 Truth movement utterly destroys the whole premise for the 'war on terror' by removing the blame of the 9/11 attacks on 'Islamic terrorists'.... Is there any other argument that could do this?
>  
> All of CGEs or any other person comments on this list, by diminishing the importance of 9/11 Truth are by default making the assumption that the 'war on terror' is a valid phenomena and are taking away the most provable and simplest way to focus on the corruption of our government.
> 
> There are powerful forces that don't want this to happen and are pulling out all stops to undermine the 9/11 Truth movement.
> 
> The war on Islam was/is an
 essential ingredient to all the wars and chaos perpetrated by the U.S. / Israel / Britain / Saudi Arabia that has been pounded into the American mind but a relentless MSM barrage of lies and propaganda. Take away the Islamophobic premise and all you have left is corruption / greed / imperialism / oil wars....
> 
> 9/11 Truth removes the whole Islamic argument and puts two illegal wars right at the footsteps of our corrupt leaders..... Is there anything more powerful?
> 
> There are those that say that 'they' (1%) would have found some way if not 9/11 to accomplish their goals...but the fact of the matter is that the 9/11 False Flag attack was their method of choice.  The Patriot Act was signed within a couple of weeks of 9/11, NSA, the militarization of our police departments, .... on and on.
> 
> The same people behind the obscene disparity of wealth, financial corruption and murder in Palestine are the same people that did 9/11.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, August 4, 2014 7:22 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> The reference to the Giant Rat of Sumatra was a response to Francis' Illuminati-like list of conspiracies. The sleep of reason breeds monsters.
> 
> (In
 "The Adventure of the Sussex Vampire", published in 1924, Arthur Conan Doyle has Sherlock Holmes remark to Dr. Watson, "Matilda Briggs was not the name of a young woman, Watson ... It was a ship which is associated with the giant rat of Sumatra, a story for which the world is not yet prepared.")
> 
> As for gatekeeping, I suggest that's the role of the US media, which we need to combat. They're in the position of Aeschylus' watchman (on its belly, like a dog), guarding the secrets of this 'house,' the USG:
> 
> As for all the rest, I’m saying nothing.
>     A great ox stands on my tongue. But this house,
>     if it could speak, might tell some stories.
>     I speak
 to those who know about these things.
>     For those who don’t, there’s nothing I remember...
> 
> --CGE
> 
> 
> On Aug 4, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> > I'm definitely not accusing you in any way of obscuring my poster...
> > I'm just suggesting that the Channel 3 person moved her camera to the only place on the corner that placed you and another person in front of my poster.  That was her
 move not yours.  I thank you for taking the pic included in this message.
> > 
> > The oversized poster was just my way of communicating my belief that there is gatekeeping going on in this community.
> > In my exchange with CGE, he bailed out of the gatekeeping conversation with a David Gehrig tactic (by the way... Where's David? I miss him)...by mentioning a Rat from Sumatra or something....
> > So I just responded with a joke about a conspiracy with Channel 3 censoring my sign.  I thought it was curious that she moved her camera.  You would have to ask her why she moved the camera.  Would she admit that she moved to hide my poster....NO....
> > 
> > but...
>
 > 
> > A significant question would be: Would Channel 3 actually air a video with a sign that had the term 'ethnic cleansing' and the Israeli national emblem on the same poster.  I think not.
> > Would Channel 3 be ok with 'Free Gaza', or 'Illegal settlements'.... yes.... they are obvious and innocuous.
> > Combining Israel and Ethnic Cleansing crosses the line for the MSM... or am I being conspiratorial here....??  That's why I did it and it directly confronts CGE's argument that the reason for Israeli aggression is that Israel is an American aircraft carrier (which is true and significant, but not the most underlying issue in the Middle East.... The creation and existence of Israel itself trumps the 'aircraft carrier'.
> > 
> > The best
 gatekeepers are the one's that get the most support and have the most influence from the very people that they are gatekeeping.  CGE matches that description and Chomsky does it on a national basis.  
> > 
> > 
> > Ethnic cleansing gets too close to the territorial expansion schemes by Israel....It gets too close to the reasons for the very creation and existence of Israel and how it actually happened and how it is portrayed by Israel.... and deligitimization.  Gaza and Operation Protective Edge are symptoms not causes...... the American aircraft carrier is innocuous jawboning. 9/11 Truth is about criminal prosecution of the murder of 3000 people.
> > 
> > Again, the question has to be asked: How could a people who supposedly suffered the
 'Holocaust' murder untold thousands of Palestinians who are just trying to reclaim land that was stolen from them.  The Zionists real motive is expansion.  They are threatened by 1,800,000 Palestinian refugee/prisoners that they created in their ethnic cleansing of Palestine and only know violence as a means to remedy their 'problem'.
> > 
> > Its roots are in the 'Holocaust', Israel would not exist without it... and the UN partition plan, and the preemptive strike in 1967, the illegal settlements, .... and on and on.
> > 
> > 
> > On , Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I'm definitely not accusing you in any way of obscuring my poster...
> > I'm just suggesting that the Channel 3 person moved her camera to the only place on the corner that placed you and another person in front of my poster.  That was her move not yours.  I thank you for taking the pic included in this message.
> > 
> > The oversized poster was just my way of communicating my belief that there is gatekeeping going on in this community.
> > In my exchange with CGE, he bailed out of the gatekeeping conversation with a David Gehrig tactic (by the way... Where's David? I miss him)...by mentioning a Rat from Sumatra or something....
> > So I just responded with a
 joke about a conspiracy with Channel 3 censoring my sign.  I thought it was curious that she moved her camera.  You would have to ask her why she moved the camera.  Would she admit that she moved to hide my poster....NO....
> > 
> > but...
> > 
> > A significant question would be: Would Channel 3 actually air a video with a sign that had the term 'ethnic cleansing' and the Israeli national emblem on the same poster.  I think not.
> > Would Channel 3 be ok with 'Free Gaza', or 'Illegal settlements'.... yes.... they are obvious and innocuous.
> > Combining Israel and Ethnic Cleansing crosses the line for the MSM... or am I being conspiratorial here....??  That's why I did it and it directly
 confronts CGE's argument that the reason for Israeli aggression is that Israel is an American aircraft carrier (which is true and significant, but not the most underlying issue in the Middle East.... The creation and existence of Israel itself trumps the 'aircraft carrier'.
> > 
> > The best gatekeepers are the one's that get the most support and have the most influence from the very people that they are gatekeeping.  CGE matches that description and Chomsky does it on a national basis.  
> > 
> > 
> > Ethnic cleansing gets too close to the territorial expansion schemes by Israel....It gets too close to the reasons for the very creation and existence of Israel and how it actually happened and how it is portrayed by Israel.... and
 deligitimization.  Gaza and Operation Protective Edge are symptoms not causes...... the American aircraft carrier is innocuous jawboning. 9/11 Truth is about criminal prosecution of the murder of 3000 people.
> > 
> > Again, the question has to be asked: How could a people who supposedly suffered the 'Holocaust' murder untold thousands of Palestinians who are just trying to reclaim land that was stolen from them.  The Zionists real motive is expansion.  They are threatened by 1,800,000 Palestinian refugee/prisoners that they created in their ethnic cleansing of Palestine and only know violence as a means to remedy their 'problem'.
> > 
> > Its roots are in the 'Holocaust', Israel would not exist without it... and the UN partition plan, and the preemptive strike in 1967, the illegal
 settlements, .... and on and on.
> > 
> > 
> > On Monday, August 4, 2014 5:42 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Stephen
> >  
> > If there is any "conspiracy" here, its probably you, paid by the US government to take up our time and distract us from focusing on the problems and issues of today. That's what they do sometimes, infiltrate, disrupt, distract, .........., It was nice that you showed up yesterday at the demonstration with your huge sign, but how do we know it wasn't just to
 determine who was there? You now have our names, faces, etc. to turn over to your employer.
> > Just kidding.
> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 03:15:09 -0700
> > To: ewj at pigsqq.org; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Draft flyer (corrected) for AWARE demo, Aug. 3
> > From: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> > 
> > I was joking about the conspiracy....
> > But also thought that a couple of you would take the bait and think I was serious......(maybe  :)
> > 
> > I just find it very telling and consistent that 9/11 Truth has been carved out of the peace movement and vilified.  This IS a conspiracy whose roots are in NYC.
> > 
> > Over 2200 professional architects and engineers agree that WTC twin towers and WTC7 were demolished murdering 3000 people.  Arab patsies could not have done it the way our corrupt government describes according to the laws of physics.  They also cannot find any like professionals to debate them and their work is peer-reviewed unlike NIST.
> > 
> > How can you protest against our government and trust what they say about 9/11.... It doesn't make sense unless their is a hidden agenda behind the inconsistency..... You all know what I think about that.... 
> > World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE911Truth
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> > World Trade Center Building 7 Demolished on 9/11? | AE91...
> > Did you know that 3 towers fell on 9/11? World Trade Center
 Building 7 collapsed on 9/11 after the Twin Towers but was never hit by a plane. How?...
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> > 
> > On Sunday, August 3, 2014 9:58 PM, ewjohnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Stephen,
> > A lot of what you have to say is useful and relevant.
> > 
> > CGE has perhaps more than anyone defended your right to say it.
> > 
> > It isn't very healthy to find a daemon behind every bush.
> > (Some of them have several.)
> > 
> > 
> > On 08/04/2014 10:31 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss wrote:
> > Here's a conspiracy for ya...
> > Channel 3 sent out a video person to record the massive crowd of 6-8 people at Church and Neil demonstration today.
> > She first set up her camera at the North East corner then moved it to the Northwest corner when she discovered what my poster
 said.
> > She deliberately set the camera up in a new position where two other protesters obscured the view of my poster....
> > see attachment....
> > Is this a conspiracy or what?  .... 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, August 3, 2014 6:59 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > You left out the Giant Rat of Sumatra, "a story for which the world is not yet prepared."
> > 
> >
 Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > You (CGE) have very eloquently proven my point.  Chomsky's prominence as an intellectual voice for the 99% is undeniable except for 9/11 Truth. Coming from a 9/11 Truther, this is a glaring inconsistency, because the same people we all rail against did 9/11 in our view.
> > 
> > There is an ever growing list of dubious 'Commissions' and cover-ups involving international crimes that have not passed the stink test including the Warren Commission, the Dreyfus Affair, The Gladio Stay
 Behind Network, Dimona, The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, Pedophile Priests, Pearl Harbor, The Looting of Russia after the breakup of the Soviet Union, The USS Liberty, Iran Contra, the looting of Japan after WWII, Murdochs Phone Hacking, the Lincoln assassination, Holocaust Hoax, WWI and WWII war profiteering, Stalin's last years, failed Cuban invasion, the Hollywood creation called the Italian mafia, ....on and on... 9/11 has just joined the list.
> > 
> > Once it becomes common knowledge that 9/11 really was an inside job (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Britain and the U. S.) Chomsky is going to have more than egg on his face.  He will be proven an accomplice to the crime.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:44 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Chomsky was of course "a nationally recognized figure" for more than 40 years before the events of 9/11/2001.
> > 
> > As a young man he did for the study of language roughly what Einstein had done for physics: he established a new model for the subsequent science. 
> > 
> > In the 1960's he took up writing against Kennedy's war in SE Asia and quickly became one of the most important anti-war voices with articles like "The Responsibility of Intellectuals" (1967) <http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19670223.htm> and "On the Backgrounds of the Pacific War" (1967) <http://www.chomsky.info/articles/196709--.htm> - still very much worth reading. 
> > 
> > Chomsky is an anarchist (libertarian socialist, if you prefer). He presents a convincing case for that position in "Government in the Future" (1970) <http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2006/11/noam-chomsky-lecture-from-1970-full.html>.
> > 
> > His brief book "9-11" was a best seller in 2001, because it didn't
 follow the US government/media line. Here's a summary:
> > 
> > "In '9-11', published in November 2001 and arguably the single most influential post 9-11 book, internationally renowned thinker Noam Chomsky bridged the information gap around the World Trade Center attacks, cutting through the tangle of political opportunism, expedient patriotism, and general conformity that choked off American discourse in the months immediately following. Chomsky placed the attacks in context, marshaling his deep and nuanced knowledge of American foreign policy to trace the history of American political aggression - in the Middle East and throughout Latin America as well as in Indonesia, in Afghanistan, in India and Pakistan - at the same time warning against America’s increasing reliance on military rhetoric and violence in its response to the attacks, and making the critical point that
 the mainstream media and public intellectuals were failing to make: any escalation of violence as a response to violence will inevitably lead to further, and bloodier, attacks on innocents in America and around the world..."
> > 
> > Chomsky's politics are such that he is cordially hated by soi-disant liberals and progressives. In an interview in 2008 he said, 
> > 
> > "I should say that the place where I am most feared and despised is probably in left liberal intellectual circles. If you want to see a graphic indication of this, take a look at one of my favorite journal covers, which is framed and posted right outside my door. It’s the more or less official journal of left liberal intellectuals, The American Prospect, and the cover depicts the terrible circumstances in which they try to
 survive – the enormous forces that are virtually destroying them.
> > 
> > "In the picture, two figures are depicted; two faces, sneering and angry. On one side is Dick Cheney and the Pentagon, on the other side is me. The left liberal intellectuals are caught between these two huge forces. This depiction is indicative of the paranoia and concern that there might be some small break in orthodoxy. The liberal intellectuals (and not just in the United States) are typically the guardians at the gates: we’ll go this far, but not one millimeter farther; and it’s terrifying to think that somebody might go a millimeter farther. This extends throughout the major media too. So, yes, the United States is a very free country, in fact it’s the freest country in the world. I don’t think freedom of speech, for example, is protected anywhere in the world as much as it is here.
 But it’s a very managed society, it’s a business-run society, carefully managed, with strict doctrinal requirements and no deviation tolerated – this would be too dangerous.
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> > "One of the reasons it’s too dangerous is that the political establishment, both political parties and the political class, is, on many major issues, well to the right of the population. On health care, for example, which you’ve written about for decades, the population is to the left of the establishment, and has been so forever. And the same is true for many other issues. So, permitting issues to be discussed is threatening, and permitting deviation from a kind of party line is dangerous and has to be carefully controlled."
> > 
> > --CGE
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> > On Aug 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> > > I accuse CGE of gatekeeping because of his incessant quoting of Chomsky.  
> > > I think Chomsky is in part a nationally recognized figure because of his views on 9/11 Truth. 
> > > In efforts to control the opposition he plays a perfect role.
> > > He is a prolific author and the vast majority of his positions are acceptable to 'liberals', progressives'....etc  (whatever they are?)
> > > 
> > > Zionists are very fearful of 9/11 Truth because it really threatens them, so they have to ridicule and keep people distracted from it.
> > > 
> > > Chomsky keeps people talking and not acting.
> > > 9/11 Truth is about acting.  It's about prosecuting criminals not jawboning policy. CGE is a jawboner.....
> > > NYC CAN's effort was successful and they are in a strong position to challenge any legal obstacles in their path.
> > > A heartfelt thank you – We did it! – High-Rise Safety Initiative
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> > > A heartfelt thank you – We did it! – High-Rise Safety In...
> > > Updates about the High-Rise Safety Initiative A heartfelt thank you – We did it! August 1, 2014 Dear friends,
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> > > On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:43 AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
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> > > Stephen,
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> > > Good article about Bolivia and other South American countries pulling their ambassadors from Israel,
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> > > However, the other article is absolute nonsense. There are no " left-wing " U.S. Congressmen and Senators.
> > > Only corporate controlled neo-cons and neo-liberals.
> > > The ONLY elected official in the entire U.S. that I
 am aware of who is
> > >  " Left-wing " would be Socialist City Council member Kshama Sawant in Seattle.
> > > 
> > > And your continued accusations of Carl as a " Zionist Gatekeeper " is absurd and borders on the delusional.
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> > > David Johnson
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