[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] Progressive Fest 3 this Sat - Getting Out The Progressive Vote

Thu Aug 7 01:42:22 EDT 2014

I told people that they might not want to contribute to WEFT when it was censoring and banning people - or if they did contribute, they might want to object to censorship and banning. I left WEFT when the management refused to give me time to talk on News from Neptune. 

But if "we [I assume you mean WEFT] are [sic] truly free speech," I suppose I'm invited back now? What time will I be on?

On Aug 6, 2014, at 11:48 PM, Stan via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Carl you are not on WEFT because you told people not to contribute to pledge drives, not because of your opinions. We are truly free speech.
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> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
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> "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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> Your fear of (and contempt for) the majority is typical of the American political class (= the 20% of the population who think they have a chance to be admitted to the 1%).  
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> The reason our sham democracy votes on 'candidates' rather than policies is that candidates (of either party), vetted by the 1%, can be relied on to keep any discussion of issues within the limits of allowable debate. Elections must be about personalities because it's too dangerous to the interests of the 1% for them to be about issues.
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> "One of the reasons it’s too dangerous is that the political establishment, both political parties and the political class, is, on many major issues, well to the right of the population. On health care, for example, ... the population is to the left of the establishment, and has been so forever. And the same is true for many other issues. So, permitting issues to be discussed is threatening, and permitting deviation from a kind of party line is dangerous and has to be carefully controlled."
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> And of course money is speech in the world's greatest PR society. As with many other things in America, you can have as much free speech as you can afford.
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> (Even WEFT knows how to play by the rules. That's why you're on it and I'm not.) 
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> --CGE
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> On Aug 3, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Stan <swag901 at ymail.com> wrote:
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>> And lastly I do not know how these votes might go. As long as money is speech the 1% control the beliefs of the low information voters and may be able to carry any position to victory regardless of it's effect on the majority of Americans.
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>> We need another. Constitutional amendment denying that money is speech.
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>> "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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>> I don't think we should limit voters. I think we should do away with voter registration.
>> Any citizen presenting her/himself at the polls should be able to vote. Do you agree?
>> More importantly, they should not be voting for candidates - minions of the 1% - but for policies.
>> Let's have votes for or against 
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>> ~ guaranteed jobs & annual income;
>> ~ free public education through college;
>> ~ housing and child allowances;
>> ~ bringing all troops home, etc.
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>> How do you think they would go?
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>> On Aug 2, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Stan via OccupyCU <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> I did not limit choices of candidates.
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>> You on the other hand suggested to limit voters. That is the Republican manifesto.
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>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
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>> "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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>> Stan carefully observes the First Rule for Subservient Americans: Be One or the Other of the Allowed Choices.
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>> If you're not a Republican, you must be a Democrat; if you're not a Liberal, you must be a Conservative...
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>> This is of course nonsense, but as long as we keep believing it, we won't disturb our rulers.
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>> "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate." --Noam Chomsky (The Common Good, 1998)
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>> On Aug 1, 2014, at 8:06 PM, Stan via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> And once again Carl sides with the Republicans. Do not increase voter turn out. Let us pick your candidates. Good job Carl
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>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
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>> "C. G. Estabrook via OccupyCU" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> But encouraging voter registration is not an effective political strategy when all the candidates the new voters might vote for favor war and austerity - the policies in fact of the current administration.
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>> And it's clear who's applying the label progressive to themselves, and who isn't.
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>> The political triumphs of 40 and 50 years ago - withdrawal from Vietnam and the ending of Jim Crow - did not result from a 'progressive' vote. The same people were in office after those triumphs as before. It was popular pressure on them at home and abroad that forced the change. 
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>> At it's worst, the encouragement of 'progressive voters' provides a bulwark for the murderous policies already in place. It tames the protest - which threatens to get out of hand, given the economic situation of most Americans - within the limits of allowable debate. It makes us "ready for Hillary"...
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>> Regards, CGE
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>> On Jul 30, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Aaron Johnson-Ortiz <aaron at uigeo.org> wrote:
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>> thanks for passing this along C.G.
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>> Just to clarify, we are not endorsing any candidates or calling any candidate or party progressive.
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>> We are encouraging various organizations including unions, social justice organizations, environmental organizations, etc, to help with voter registration efforts (regardless of who those voters support or do not support).
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>> thank you,
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>> --aaron
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>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:04 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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>> How can anyone regard the Democrats in state or national office as "progressive"?
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>> From support for mass murder by Ukraine and Israel to the refusal adequately to fund social supports in Illinois by adequately taxing the rich, the Democrats have shown that they're working for the interests of the 1% - and therefore against the directly opposed interests of the majority.
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>> It's nothing short of a crime against the community at home and abroad to "Get Out the Progressive Vote" for Democrats. As Glen Ford eloquently pointed out, they are not the lesser evil but the more effective evil: <http://www.blackagendareport.com/print/content/why-barack-obama-more-effective-evil>.
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>> --C. G. Estabrook
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>> On Jul 30, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Aaron Johnson-Ortiz, GEO & Progressive Fest <aaron at uigeo.org> wrote:
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>> > C. G.,
>> > The November election is coming up and the stakes could not be any higher.  Republican Candidate for Governor Bruce Rauner, who earns $25,000 an hour and who has proposed cutting the state minimum wage , has been ahead in the polls by an average of 9 points since January*, and he is running on an anti-union platform similar to that of Scott Walker in Wisconsin.
>> > This Saturday we are holding an event for community groups, unions, and student organizations for us to work together and strategize on how to register new voters and make sure to turn out irregular voters.
>> > Are you able to come?  please let me know by replying to this email , or RSVP on facebook .   Details:
>> > Progressive Fest 3: Getting Out The Progressive Vote
>> > Saturday, August 2, 2:30 - 5:30PM
>> > Champaign Public Library, Robeson Rooms A&B
>> > This event is non-partisan: we will not be telling people to vote for a particular candidate or party.  However, we will be making commitments about voter registration targets, and discussing how to talk to our members and the public about the issues that matter to us.  This will allow members of non-partisan organizations to join us, as well as those who are part of a partisan organization.
>> > Will you come?  Please let me know if you can.
>> > In addition to union rights and workers issues, we will be talking about immigrant rights, reducing mass incarceration, increasing environmental protections, LGBTQ rights, women’s reproductive rights,  and other key issues.
>> > Please also forward this to your friends and allies.  The agenda is below.
>> > in Solidarity,
>> > --aaron
>> > Aaron Johnson-Ortiz
>> > GEO Staff Organizer
>> > Graduate Employee's Organization
>> > IFT/AFT 6300
>> > www.uigeo.org
>> > 217-344-8283
>> > What is Progressive Fest?
>> > Progressive Fest is an event for all sorts of progressive organizations and individuals, including community organizations, unions, faith-based organizations, student groups, environmental activists, etc.  Each Progressive Fest is hosted by a different local organization, but it is open to any and all groups.  Progressive Fest is a non-partisan informal network of progressive organizations in the Champaign-Urbana area and its surroundings.  Some of the organizations that participate are partisan, other are not.  “Progressive Fest 3: Getting Out The Progressive Vote” is hosted by Central Illinois Progressive Democrats of America.
>> > FLIER (feel free to print and distribute):
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>> > * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_gubernatorial_election,_2014  and http://www.buzzfeed.com/iftaft/who-is-the-real-bruce-rauner-the-top-10-things-yo-ji42
>> > Progressive Fest
>> > for more info about PF, please contact Aaron Johnson-Ortiz at 1001 S Wright St, Champaign, IL
>> > Unsubscribe
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>> Aaron Johnson-Ortiz
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>> GEO Organizer
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>> Graduate Employee's Organization
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>> IFT/AFT 6300
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>> www.uigeo.org
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>> 217-344-8283
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