[Peace-discuss] Even Libertarians better than Obama on immigration

Tue Jul 8 09:23:14 EDT 2014

Libertarian views are not necessarily monolithic, but it used to be that 
most libertarians favoured open borders.

of course, anarcho-libertarians reject the notion of the state, so if 
there is no state, there is nothing to border-ize.

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It comes down to the notion of a birthright relative to a country.

One does not choose his country of birth.
Therefore there seems to be no obligation to stay in one's country of birth
and no reason to say that the lack of a natural birthright should make one
less fit per se to live in a particular place of his choice.

One might have a birthright in a family but the notion of a birthright
in a country ascribes the characteristics of a family to a country and 
its government,
which is absurd.

At least it should be absurd to everyone but Hillary Clinton, who should be
about as welcome in most families as particularly virulent norovirus.

Nevertheless, the notion of nationalism is quite profitable to those who 
favour theft
as a way of life, and those thieves have promoted the idea splendidly.

here is a summary of some libertarian views on open borders:

(source is openborders.com)

  * Right to migrate <http://openborders.info/right-to-migrate>: The
    right to migrate is a natural right. Restrictions on this right are
    immoral. More moderate version: restrictions of the right to migrate
    are only moral if there is/clear/evidence of/very/bad consequences.
  * Obligations to strangers
    <http://openborders.info/obligations-to-strangers>: The government
    of a nation-state or region owes no obligations to potential
    immigrants. But it does not have the authority to arbitrarily
    restrict their entry. Thus, even if theharms to immigrant-receiving
    countries
    <http://openborders.info/harms-to-immigrant-receiving-countries>are
    serious, they do not overcome the presumption in favor of the right
    to migrate.
  * Self-ownership versus state ownership
    <http://openborders.info/self-ownership-versus-state-ownership>:
    Even if theharms to immigrant-sending countries
    <http://openborders.info/harms-to-immigrant-sending-countries>(such
    asbrain drain <http://openborders.info/brain-drain>anddelay of
    political reform <http://openborders.info/delay-political-reform>)
    are serious, they do not override the presumption in favor of the
    right to migrate. This is because people own themselves (the
    self-ownership principle) and are not owned by the state where they
    were born.

On 07/08/2014 08:42 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote:
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>> Libertarian Party 
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>>     For Immediate Release
>>     July 8, 2014
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>>     Contact: Media Coordinator, Molly Schwoppe • (202) 333-0008
>>     •media at lp.org <mailto:media at lp.org>
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>>     *Libertarians say: Let the immigrant children in*
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>>     In response to recent media reports about the increase in Latin
>>     American children seeking entry into the United States,
>>     Libertarian Party Chair Nicholas Sarwark released this statement:
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>>         Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning
>>         to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
>>         Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp
>>         beside the golden door!
>>         <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=35642789&msgid=479424&act=OLKP&c=1086021&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lp.org%2Fnews%2Fpress-releases%2Flibertarians-say-let-the-immigrant-children-in>Should
>>         the U.S. government forbid foreign children from entering the
>>         United States? The Libertarian Party says no.
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>>         It would be unjust and inhumane for the U.S. government to
>>         prohibit these children from entering the United States.
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>>         A great irony is that U.S. government policies have caused
>>         the conditions that some of these Central American children
>>         are fleeing. The War on Drugs has created a huge black market
>>         in Latin America, causing increases in gang activity and
>>         violent crime. Some of the affected children naturally try to
>>         flee this violence. It is wrong to jeer at them, call them
>>         "illegals," and tell them to get out.
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>>         Many of these children are hoping to reach friends and
>>         relatives in the United States. A freer, simpler legal
>>         immigration process might result in a safer journey with more
>>         adult supervision along the way. In any case, Libertarians
>>         support maximizing freedom knowing that risks, including
>>         risks to children, are always involved. In some cases,
>>         children may be better off migrating, even without adult
>>         supervision, than staying trapped in dangerous environments —
>>         just ask the Jewish children who escaped from Hitler, or
>>         Tutsi children who escaped genocide in Rwanda.
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>>         Libertarians do not support forcing people to pay for other
>>         children's welfare, and there are obviously costs associated
>>         with helping children who arrive in the United States.
>>         However, there are many charitable organizations that have
>>         already mobilized to provide that help. A nation of 320
>>         million people can provide sufficient charitable help to the
>>         number of children involved (around 50,000 over the last nine
>>         months). And if we'd just end the War on Drugs, the number of
>>         refugee children would be much lower.
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>>         Ultimately, the fact that many of these children are fleeing
>>         dangerous situations isn't the issue. Even if they were
>>         coming to the United States for fun, we should still allow
>>         them to enter. All foreigners should be allowed entry into
>>         the United States unless the government can produce positive
>>         evidence that they pose a threat to security, health, or
>>         property.
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>>         Our bad immigration laws affect a lot more people than just
>>         these children. Many foreigners want to come work in the
>>         United States, which benefits them as well as Americans.
>>         However, our government makes it impossible for almost all of
>>         them to work here legally.
>>
>>         The Libertarian Party believes that the U.S. government
>>         should not prohibit Americans from hiring foreign workers.
>>         There are about 60 million legal foreign entries into the
>>         United States each year (mostly tourists). Those foreigners
>>         should be free to work in the United States as well. There's
>>         no question of border security — it's just a question of the
>>         government's unjust and foolish protectionist labor laws.
>>
>>         (By comparison, there are only about 500,000 "illegal"
>>         entries into the United States each year. Most of those are
>>         foreigners who want to work in the United States, and who
>>         would be denied visas because of that intention.)
>>
>>         Some observers have noted that generous benefit and subsidy
>>         programs in the United States, including free education and
>>         health care, may be attracting lazy foreigners. The
>>         Libertarian Party supports the abolition of government
>>         benefits and subsidies, for both natives and foreigners. It's
>>         worth pointing out that foreigners use these programs at a
>>         lower rate than natives,according to a recent report by the
>>         Cato Institute
>>         <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=35642789&msgid=479424&act=OLKP&c=1086021&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cato.org%2Fpublications%2Feconomic-development-bulletin%2Fpoor-immigrants-use-public-benefits-lower-rate-poor>.
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>>         It's a shame that many in the media are trying to make
>>         Americans feel fear and suspicion toward immigrants. It's
>>         particularly disgusting that protesters would yell at
>>         children to make their political point. Immigration is good
>>         for foreigners and good for Americans, and we need to change
>>         our laws to make immigration much easier.
>>
>>     TheLibertarian Party Platform
>>     <http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=35642789&msgid=479424&act=OLKP&c=1086021&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lp.org%2Fplatform%233.4>says
>>     the following about the freedom of trade and migration:
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>>     3.4 Free Trade and Migration
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>>     We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade.
>>     Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals
>>     not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of
>>     political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted
>>     movement of human as well as financial capital across national
>>     borders. However, we support control over the entry into our
>>     country of foreign nationals who pose a credible threat to
>>     security, health or property.
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