[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] ISIS trained by US reports Examiner, PressTV, Reuters, Der Spiegel

Sat Jul 12 05:46:21 EDT 2014

neither the Examiner, which lets any fool claim to be a reporter nor Press
TV, the Iranium state equivalent of the old Soviet Pravda, is known for
factual reporting or fact checking - they both are really propaganda organs
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 9:10 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> There is surprisingly little scholarly agreement on the usage of the term
> fascist (see e.g. the arguments around Michael Mann's important 2004 study,
> "Fascists"), but one common characteristic of the regimes to which it was
> applied in the last century was that they were 'break-down products,' as it
> were, of capitalism in distress.
>
> However different it may be from the capitalism magisterially analyzed a
> century and a half ago, American capitalism in the 21st century is not
> apparently in distress. (Thomas Piketty's "Capital in the 21st Century" is
> an impressive attempt to explain why - and even to suggest what might be
> done.) But where there is no vision, the people perish, and Wayne has
> provided us with a concentrated vision of the current situation.
>
> --CGE
>
> On Jul 11, 2014, at 10:48 PM, ewjohnson <ewj at pigsqq.org> wrote:
>
> > Yes, "fascist" is a weak word and my Englisher getsa no good.
> >
> > Sign language doesnt interface well with my keyboard.
> >
> > Anyway I only know a few universally expressive gestures.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 07/12/2014 11:28 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
> >> We might quibble over the usage of terms like 'fascist,' but this
> account is clearly accurate - and important.
> >>
> >> Lacking an accurate analysis, the best will in the world can choose the
> right course only by accident.
> >>
> >> --CGE
> >>
> >> On Jul 11, 2014, at 10:12 PM, ewjohnson via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The US is a fascist state managed by a well entrenched oligarchy.
> >>>
> >>> The oligarchy does definitely fear that an organized uprising of the
> people
> >>> may weaken and erode its position resulting in haemorrhage of money,
> >>> power, and territory.
> >>>
> >>> The oligarchy manages the world's largest propaganda and
> opinion-shaping
> >>> and panem et circenses machine that uses every possible measure to
> achieve its
> >>> goals in mollifying the masses and nullifying any effective negativity.
> >>>
> >>> The oligarchy has chosen to deflect political pressures by allowing the
> >>> establishment of a pair of ruling factions.  The two ruling factions
> are
> >>> actually essentially the same but the members and supporters and
> operatives
> >>> of each faction believe that they are poles apart in their ideology
> and goodness,
> >>> much like the rival teams and their fans in a sporting contest.  Some
> of them
> >>> are true believers in their parties and it is downright comical to to
> observe
> >>> them in motion.  Dog-fighting and cock-fighting are considered to be
> too
> >>> brutish for the sensitive and cultured society.  Other outlets are
> provided.
> >>>
> >>> A complex system of rules and regulations prevents the entrance of
> significant
> >>> new factions that might be supported by the people themselves.  For
> example
> >>> the people are encouraged to vote as if it were a patriotic duty, but
> the candidates
> >>> are selected and supported by the oligarchy and its fascist and crony
> capitalist network,
> >>> such that in general it would not matter much who was elected, because
> the system
> >>> has been established to be robust against change.  The oligarchy has
> recognized that
> >>> its power and control are not absolute and it is careful not to
> overextend the most
> >>> extreme measures of its force domestically due to fear of a
> destabilizing outcome.
> >>>
> >>> The oligarchy extends its tentacles around the world.
> >>>
> >>> Like a daemon that has wrapped itself around the spine of its host and
> >>> has interfaced with the host's body control systems and higher
> functions,
> >>> the daemonic oligarchy has made the people dependent upon it such
> >>> that an eviction notice  would evoke tremulous and even catastrophic
> >>> consequences.  The natural guards of liberty have been perverted
> >>> unto the protection of the status quo.
> >>>
> >>> Violent overthrow seems a possible recourse.  However, a organized
> >>> violent uprising or even the use of passive force by the people is met
> >>> with sudden repression by the police state.  Afterwards the entrenched
> >>> political parties are summoned in to vacuum up any energy generated
> >>> by a new uprising.
> >>>
> >>> It is disturbing to see activists getting their energies sucked up by
> the Borg
> >>> of one of the sham political parties or the other one.
> >>>
> >> ###
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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