[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] ISIS trained by US reports Examiner, PressTV, Reuters, Der Spiegel

Mon Jul 14 15:08:24 EDT 2014

No, it was the Carter administration  who chose "radical factions to support in Afghanistan against the Russians" (before the Soviet invasion). The Reagan administration - in this as in other things - continued the Carter policies. 

See the famous1998 interview with Carter National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski in Le Nouvel Observateur for confirmation.

Reagan didn't "refuse to support the Northern Alliance" because the Northern Alliance (mostly Tajik) didn't exist until five years after Reagan left office, when the Taliban (mostly Pashtun) established its control over Afghanistan.  

In several senses, you can't make this stuff up.

On Jul 14, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Stan via OccupyCU <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> It was the Reagan admin that choose radical factions to support in Afghanistan against the Russians   Reagan refused to support the Northern Alliance, a more moderate group than the Saudi groups they fed through Pakistan.
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> "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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> On Jul 10, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Stan via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> You guys are so wrong the light from wrong can not reach you.
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>> "C. G. Estabrook via OccupyCU" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> This is consistent US policy, for at least 40 years, Democrat as well as Republican.
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>> The Carter administration (1977-81) invented modern jihadism by rounding up the most fanatical fighters it could find in the Mideast, arming them in the most expensive CIA operation to date, and sending them into Afghanistan (*before* the Russian invasion) "to give the Soviets a Vietnam of their own"!
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>> Carter's Russophobe National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski (also an adviser to Obama's presidential campaign), famously told an interviewer from Le Nouvel Observateur in 1998, "What is most important to the history of the world? ... Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"
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>> The "few stirred-up Muslims" came to include al-Qaeda and the perpetrators of the 9/11/2001 attacks. 
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>> Divide et impera, the Roman imperial maxim, has guided US attempts to promote conflict and play both sides against the middle in order to secure control of the Mideast energy resources, "the world's greatest material prize," as the US State Department declared in 1945. 
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>> In this century that has meant a purposeful US policy of setting Sunni against Shia in a vicious regional civil war, which had not existed before the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. 
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>> --CGE
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>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> > Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan
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>> > Citing what it called "informed Jordanian officials," WND reported Tuesday that members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained b...
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>> > Citing what it called "informed Jordanian officials," WND reported Tuesday that members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained by U.S. instructors at a secret base inJordan. According to the report, the training was conducted in 2012 and was intended to help ISIS fight the Assad regime.
>> > The officials said those receiving training were vetted for links to extremist groups like al-Qaeda.
>> > WND first reported the training in February 2012. Since then, other media outlets have corroborated those reports. In March 2013, Reuters, citing Der Spiegel, said that some 200 men had received training. The goal was to train about 1,200 fighters of the "Free Syrian Army."
>> > Those reports did not specify if the instructors were military or civilian, but some reportedly wore uniforms. The training, Reuters added, focused on the use of anti-tank weaponry. It is also unclear how many of those trained are now fighting in Iraq.
>> > According to Reuters, the UK Guardian also reported the training, adding that British and French instructors participated in the U.S.-led effort. The Guardian, Reuters said, cited unnamed Jordanian security sources, who were also reportedly involved in the program, hoping to "prevent Salafists (radical Islamists) crossing from their own country into Syria and then returning later to stir up trouble in Jordan itself."
>> > A Defense Department spokesman declined to comment on Der Spiegel's report, Reuters added. France and Britain have also refused to comment on the report.
>> > WND said Jordanian officials spoke to them out of concerns the sectarian violence in Iraq could spill over into Jordan.
>> > "ISIS previously posted a video on YouTube threatening to move on Jordan and “slaughter” King Abdullah, whom they view as an enemy of Islam," Aaron Klein said.
>> > A Shiite source in contact with a highly-placed official in the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki reportedly called Obama an "accomplice" in the attacks against the Maliki government and told WND that one training camp is in the vicinity of Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where U.S. military personnel are stationed.
>> > Another report says the Obama administration delivered about 65,000 ready-to-eat meals, or MREs, to Sunni rebels in Aleppo, Syria. Additionally, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday that Obama has ruled out immediate air strikes against ISIS in Iraq. The reason, WSJ said, is lack of intelligence on the ground in Iraq.
>> > Obama is set to meet with GOP and Democratic leaders Wednesday to brief them on what is being called a "comprehensive approach" to the situation in Iraq.
>> > “What the president is focused on is a comprehensive strategy, not just a quick military response,” said one senior administration official. “While there may potentially be a military component to it, it’s a much broader effort.”
>> > Meanwhile, ISIS is reportedly battling Iraqi military forces on the outskirts of Baghdad.
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