[Peace-discuss] Draft flyer for July 20 demo - comments welcomed

Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Sun Jul 20 11:08:06 EDT 2014


Hmm.   I agree with you, your original with Shlaim is better than this 
with only Kucinich's comments.    But I also agree with Karen and Leigh 
that the original was longer than ideal - and it would need fairly small 
print to fit on one side of a page, though it could certainly be 
two-sided.   I'll look again to see if anything can be cut and still 
have the rest work well.

On 7/20/14 9:59 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote:
> Here's another mashup (so to speak). I think I'm still partial to the 
> original Shlaim version.
>
> */AWARE ~ The Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana ~ 20 
> July 2014/*
>
> *ISRAEL’S MURDERS IN GAZA - OBAMA’S RESPONSIBILITY,  AND OURS*
>
> After two weeks of airstrikes the Israeli army (IDF) has invaded Gaza, 
> the 140-square mile territory - with 1.8 million people - that it 
> surrounds and controls. (Hamas is the party that won a free election 
> in the territories occupied by Israel in 2006.)
>
> /“Israel invades Gaza because it can. Gazans, in the face of an 
> invasion, have no ability to strike back, while Israel strikes 
> forward. Israel has total military superiority, an air force which can 
> knock and then bomb, a navy which can shell Gazans from miles off 
> shore, an army which can roll tanks into Gaza nonstop. Gazans have no 
> army, navy, or air force with which to defend. Israel, as any nation, 
> has a right to defend itself, but it confuses offense with defense. It 
> is on the offensive in Gaza./
> /“Israel, with its overwhelming military strength, is attacking and 
> invading Gaza in violation of international and U.S. law. Its 
> construction of settlements violates the Oslo agreement. Its Central 
> Bank dries up the Gaza economy and blocks payments to Gazan civil 
> servants. Its total control brings the Palestinians to utter 
> subjection and total despair./
> /“Israel can kill, injure, and humiliate Palestinians at will, with 
> impunity, which is exactly what gave rise to Hamas and strengthens 
> Hamas' hold in Gaza, even as the IDF advances. Israel will go door to 
> door in Gaza in the hunt for Hamas, which comprises the government of 
> the Palestinians and is therefore a necessary party to any peace 
> talks. It is axiomatic that if you kill your partner for peace, you 
> will have no partner for peace./
> /“There will be no peace, for now, as Gaza is turned into an abattoir 
> [a slaughterhouse], to collectively punish Gazans for supporting 
> Hamas. Israel, in its attempt to divide Hamas from the Gazans, will 
> actually multiply Hamas' strength in Gaza and elsewhere. Israel may 
> indeed find and kill Hamas officials. But it is not the current 
> individuals who make up Hamas who constitute Israel's deep dilemma, 
> which threatens its long term security. It is Israel's policies which 
> gave rise to Hamas and which, if left unaltered, will spawn increased 
> resistance no matter how many members of Hamas Israel is successful in 
> apprehending or killing...” [Dennis Kucinich]/
>
> Who is responsible  for the Israeli military assault on Gaza? Many can 
> be blamed for  Israel’s committing what the Nuremberg Tribunal called 
> “the supreme international crime - launching aggressive war” - but the 
> final responsibility lies with the President of the United States.
> Without the support - economic, military, political, and diplomatic - 
> that the U.S. government provides, Israel’s crimes would not be 
> possible. But the U.S. does not provide this support because of undue 
> influence from the  government of Israel or the Israel lobby. The U.S. 
> government supports Israel - and its oppression of Palestinians - 
> because Israel is America’s “stationary aircraft carrier” in the Mideast.
> Most Americans think of U.S. war in the Mideast as beginning after 
> 9/11/2001, with the American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, but in 
> fact our government has been killing people in the Mideast since the 
> Second World War to secure control of what the U.S. State Department 
> called then “the world’s greatest material prize,” Mideast gas and 
> oil. The U.S. government demands not just access to Mideast energy 
> resources but control of them, because a strangle-hold over world 
> energy flows gives the U.S. the advantage over its economic rivals in 
> Europe and Asia, notably Germany and China.
> President Obama fails to stop Israel’s ongoing murders in Gaza - as he 
> could, with a word - because it’s been the policy of all U.S. 
> administrations for two generations to allow the Israelis to continue 
> their oppression of the Palestinians so long as Israel supports and 
> participates in the crimes of its U.S. master.
>
> *It's time for Americans to say no to the child-killers in the U.S. 
> and Israeli governments. *
> *Contact the president (202-456-1111) and our representatives in 
> Congress (202-224-3121), by phone or online:*
> *President Obama - 
> /<http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments>
> /Senator Durbin - /<http://www.durbin.senate.gov/contact.cfm>
> /Senator Kirk - /<http://www.kirk.senate.gov/?p=comment_on_legislation>
> /Representative Davis 
> -/</**/https://rodneydavis.house.gov/contact/email-me/**/>/*
>
> /###/
>
>
>
> *//*
> On Jul 20, 2014, at 9:52 AM, Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com 
> <mailto:stuartnlevy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> How about this version? It just fits on a page at this point, in 
>> mostly 11- and 12-point type.    (It would be good to include 
>> Shlaim's final paragraph on what the international community should 
>> aim for, but I couldn't see what more to cut elsewhere.)
>>
>> /_*AWARE ~ The Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana ~ 20 
>> July 2014*_/
>>
>> *ISRAEL’S MURDERS IN GAZA - OBAMA’S RESPONSIBILITY,  AND OURS*
>>
>> After two weeks of airstrikes the Israeli army (IDF) has invaded 
>> Gaza, the 140-square mile territory - with 1.8 million people - that 
>> it surrounds and controls. (Hamas is the party that won a free 
>> election in the territories occupied by Israel in 2006.) More than 
>> 300 Palestinians have been killed, and two Israelis.
>>
>> “/*Israel invades Gaza because it can.*… Israel has total military 
>> superiority, an air force which can knock and then bomb, a navy which 
>> can shell Gazans from miles off shore, an army which can roll tanks 
>> into Gaza nonstop. Gazans have no army, navy, or air force with which 
>> to defend.*Israel, as any nation, has a right to defend itself, but 
>> it confuses offense with defense. It is on the offensive in Gaza.*/
>>
>> “/Israel, with its overwhelming military strength, is attacking and 
>> invading Gaza in violation of international and U.S. law. Its 
>> construction of settlements violates the Oslo agreement. Its Central 
>> Bank dries up the Gaza economy and blocks payments to Gazan civil 
>> servants. Its total control brings the Palestinians to utter 
>> subjection and total despair./
>>
>> “/Israel will go door to door in Gaza in the hunt for Hamas, which 
>> comprises the government of the Palestinians and is therefore a 
>> necessary party to any peace talks. It is axiomatic that if you kill 
>> your partner for peace, you will have no partner for peace.” 
>> –/from*Dennis Kucinich,*in**Huffington 
>> Post:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-j-kucinich/israel-invades-gaza_b_5598535.html
>>
>>
>> “.../*What is needed now is an immediate ceasefire. The Egyptian 
>> ceasefire proposal of July 15 met Israel's needs but utterly failed 
>> to meet the needs of the people of Gaza.*//Israel was consulted 
>> before the proposal was announced; Hamas was not./
>>
>> “/The proposal involved a return to the status quo with calm for 
>> Israelis but with the people of Gaza continuing to live under a 
>> crippling siege. Hamas demands an end to Israeli aggression, the 
>> easing of the blockade by Israel and Egypt, and the release of 
>> recently rearrested prisoners. It refuses to return to the status quo 
>> ante because it is intolerable.” –/*Avi Shlaim, Oxford University*
>>
>> *
>> Who is responsible for the Israeli military assault on Gaza?*Many can 
>> be blamed for Israel’s committing what the Nuremberg Tribunal called 
>> “the supreme international crime - launching aggressive war” - but 
>> the final responsibility lies with the President of the United States.
>>
>> *Without the support - economic, military, political, and diplomatic 
>> - that the U.S. government provides, Israel’s crimes would not be 
>> possible.*But the U.S. does not provide this support because of undue 
>> influence from the  government of Israel or the Israel lobby. The 
>> U.S. government supports Israel - and its oppression of Palestinians 
>> - because Israel is America’s “stationary aircraft carrier” in the 
>> Mideast.
>>
>> Most Americans think of U.S. war in the Mideast as beginning after 
>> 9/11/2001, with the American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, but 
>> in fact our government has been killing people in the Mideast since 
>> the Second World War to secure control of what the U.S. State 
>> Department called then “the world’s greatest material prize,” Mideast 
>> gas and oil. The U.S. government demands not just access to Mideast 
>> energy resources but control of them, because a strangle-hold over 
>> world energy flows gives the U.S. the advantage over its economic 
>> rivals in Europe and Asia, notably Germany and China.
>>
>> *President Obama fails to stop Israel’s ongoing murders in Gaza - as 
>> he could, with a word - because it’s been the policy of all U.S. 
>> administrations for two generations to allow the Israelis to continue 
>> their oppression of the Palestinians so long as Israel supports and 
>> participates in the crimes of its U.S. master.*
>>
>>
>> *It's time for Americans to say no to the child-killers in the U.S. 
>> and Israeli governments.
>>
>> Contact the President (202-456-1111) and our Congressional 
>> representatives (202-224-3121), or on line at:
>> *
>>
>> *President Obama 
>> -*/*<http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments>
>> */*Senator Durbin -*/*<http://www.durbin.senate.gov/contact.cfm>
>> */*Senator Kirk 
>> -*/*<http://www.kirk.senate.gov/?p=comment_on_legislation>
>> */*Representative Davis 
>> -*/*<https://rodneydavis.house.gov/contact/email-me>*/
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/14 9:42 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
>>> I could see substituting the first four paragraphs of Kucinich's 
>>> piece for Shlaim's [but I want to explain "abbatoir" - more 
>>> 'academic' than Shlaim's vocabulary...].
>>>
>>> But Shlaim's is better, I think, & provides answers for the 
>>> arguments we'll get on the street ("Hamas started it...."]. And I 
>>> could remove the reference to Oxford.
>>>
>>> And I thought it worthwhile to quote a Jewish scholar.
>>>
>>> Please advise. --CGE
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 9:08 AM, Stuart Levy <stuartnlevy at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:stuartnlevy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been trying to shorten Avi Shlaim's piece, which is possible 
>>>> but maybe not the best way to do it - he says very good things, but 
>>>> the language is pretty academic and liable to put people off from 
>>>> quick reading.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying now to make a mashup of Dennis Kucinich's piece from 
>>>> HuffPo, and Avi Shlaim's description of what a cease fire should be 
>>>> which I think is especially clear, and your text bringing 
>>>> responsibility back to US.... will broadcast when there is 
>>>> something concrete... OK?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/19/14 7:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote:
>>>>> Give me an edited version. I haven't printed them yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to agree with her, when it comes to flyers, being concise 
>>>>>> as opposed to comprehensive is better, because most people won't 
>>>>>> read it if its too long. It's not something they paid for, its 
>>>>>> free, thus they are tempted to just disguard if it looks like work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Draft flyer for July 20 demo - 
>>>>>> comments welcomed
>>>>>> > From:galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>
>>>>>> > Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:33:00 -0500
>>>>>> > To:karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Even my wife says it's readable on the printed page, tho' too 
>>>>>> long (her usual comment - she wants concision...)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Jul 19, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > > I had to increase the size of the print to read, but the 
>>>>>> content looks comprehensive, good.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2014 17:49:16 -0500
>>>>>> > > To:peace-discuss at anti-war.net <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>>>>>> > > Subject: [Peace-discuss] Draft flyer for July 20 demo - 
>>>>>> comments welcomed
>>>>>> > > From:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
>>>>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > AWARE ~ The Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana ~ 
>>>>>> 20 July 2014
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > ISRAEL’S MURDERS IN GAZA - OBAMA’S RESPONSIBILITY, AND OURS
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > After two weeks of airstrikes the Israeli army (IDF) has 
>>>>>> invaded Gaza, the 140-square mile territory - with 1.8 million 
>>>>>> people - that it surrounds and controls. (Hamas is the party that 
>>>>>> won a free election in the territories occupied by Israel in 2006.)
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > “...This is the third major Israeli offensive against Hamas 
>>>>>> and the people of Gaza in the last six years. Refusing to accept 
>>>>>> international legality as the basis for resolving its dispute 
>>>>>> with the Palestinians, Israel's right-wing government is ever 
>>>>>> ready to resort to military force.
>>>>>> > > “With a degree of cynicism that is difficult to comprehend 
>>>>>> and impossible to condone, Israel's leaders describe their 
>>>>>> periodic incursions into Gaza as ‘mowing the lawn’. Now, once 
>>>>>> again, and with characteristic callousness, they have unleashed 
>>>>>> the full force of the IDF against Gaza's captive population.
>>>>>> > > “The death toll in the current round of hostilities is a grim 
>>>>>> reflection of the asymmetry of power between the fourth strongest 
>>>>>> army in the world and a virtually defenceless civilian 
>>>>>> population. In the first ten days of aerial bombardment, the 
>>>>>> ‘score’ was 260 Palestinian dead, mostly civilians, and one Israeli.
>>>>>> > > “By launching a ground offensive on July 17, Israel sharply 
>>>>>> escalated the death toll to over 300; destroyed many more houses, 
>>>>>> hospitals, and water plants; and displaced some 50,000 people out 
>>>>>> of their homes. ‘Operation Protective Edge’ has thus turned the 
>>>>>> densely populated Palestinian enclave on the eastern shore of the 
>>>>>> Mediterranean into a living hell.
>>>>>> > > “Both sides claim to be responding to aggression by the other 
>>>>>> side. The stated aim of Israel's incursion into the strip is to 
>>>>>> put an end to the firing of rockets by Hamas militants on Israeli 
>>>>>> civilians. Hamas, the Islamic party that rules Gaza, claims it is 
>>>>>> engaged in legitimate resistance to Israel's military occupation 
>>>>>> and that the rockets fired by its military wing were a response 
>>>>>> to the violent IDF crackdown on the West Bank following the 
>>>>>> abduction and murder of three Israeli youths. The chain of action 
>>>>>> and reaction is endless. But the underlying cause of the violence 
>>>>>> is the Israeli colonialism ... for the last seven years the 
>>>>>> entire population of Gaza, mostly refugees from previous 
>>>>>> Arab-Israeli wars, has been subjected to an illegal, inhumane, 
>>>>>> and unrelenting siege...
>>>>>> > > “What is needed now is an immediate ceasefire. The Egyptian 
>>>>>> ceasefire proposal of July 15 met Israel's needs but utterly 
>>>>>> failed to meet the needs of the people of Gaza. Israel was 
>>>>>> consulted before the proposal was announced; Hamas was not. Hamas 
>>>>>> found out about the one-sided proposal from the media, not 
>>>>>> through diplomatic channels.
>>>>>> > > “The proposal involved a return to the status quo with calm 
>>>>>> for Israelis but with the people of Gaza continuing to live under 
>>>>>> a crippling siege. Not unreasonably, Hamas demands an end to 
>>>>>> Israeli aggression, the easing of the blockade by Israel and 
>>>>>> Egypt, and the release of recently rearrested prisoners. It 
>>>>>> refuses to return to the status quo ante because it is intolerable.
>>>>>> > > “Beyond a ceasefire to end the current round of fighting, the 
>>>>>> international community will need to tackle the much tougher task 
>>>>>> of persuading Israel to abide by the laws of war, respect UN 
>>>>>> resolutions, end the odious occupation, and recognise the natural 
>>>>>> right of the Palestinians to live on their land in freedom and 
>>>>>> dignity.” [Avi Shlaim, Oxford University]
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > Who is responsible for the Israeli military assault on Gaza? 
>>>>>> Many can be blamed for Israel’s committing what the Nuremberg 
>>>>>> Tribunal called “the supreme international crime - launching 
>>>>>> aggressive war” - but the final responsibility lies with the 
>>>>>> President of the United States.
>>>>>> > > Without the support - economic, military, political, and 
>>>>>> diplomatic - that the U.S. government provides, Israel’s crimes 
>>>>>> would not be possible. But the U.S. does not provide this support 
>>>>>> because of undue influence from the government of Israel or the 
>>>>>> Israel lobby. The U.S. government supports Israel - and its 
>>>>>> oppression of Palestinians - because Israel is America’s 
>>>>>> “stationary aircraft carrier” in the Mideast.
>>>>>> > > Most Americans think of U.S. war in the Mideast as beginning 
>>>>>> after 9/11/2001, with the American invasions of Afghanistan and 
>>>>>> Iraq, but in fact our government has been killing people in the 
>>>>>> Mideast since the Second World War to secure control of what the 
>>>>>> U.S. State Department called then “the world’s greatest material 
>>>>>> prize,” Mideast gas and oil. The U.S. government demands not just 
>>>>>> access to Mideast energy resources but control of them, because a 
>>>>>> strangle-hold over world energy flows gives the U.S. the 
>>>>>> advantage over its economic rivals in Europe and Asia, notably 
>>>>>> Germany and China.
>>>>>> > > President Obama fails to stop Israel’s ongoing murders in 
>>>>>> Gaza - as he could, with a word - because it’s been the policy of 
>>>>>> all U.S. administrations for two generations to allow the 
>>>>>> Israelis to continue their oppression of the Palestinians so long 
>>>>>> as Israel supports and participates in the crimes of its U.S. master.
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> > > It's time for Americans to say no to the child-killers in the 
>>>>>> U.S. and Israeli governments.
>>>>>> > > Contact the president (202-456-1111) and our representatives 
>>>>>> in Congress (202-224-3121), by phone or online:
>>>>>> > > President Obama - 
>>>>>> <http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments>
>>>>>> > > Senator Durbin - <http://www.durbin.senate.gov/contact.cfm>
>>>>>> > > Senator Kirk - 
>>>>>> <http://www.kirk.senate.gov/?p=comment_on_legislation>
>>>>>> > > Representative Davis - 
>>>>>> <https://rodneydavis.house.gov/contact/email-me>
>>>>>> > > ###
>>>>>> > >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
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