[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] denial denial, etc etc - Enough, already, please ... Let's talk about real wars, not flame wars.

[Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss]

There is a huge effort centered around Israel and US bankers and the MIC to start WWIII and there is an even larger effort by Putin and other cool heads to stop that war because of their knowledge of how wars were started in the past. They are deftly aware of false flag attacks and manipulations like 9/11, Gulf of Tonkin, Lusitania, Archduke Ferdinand, Iraq WMD? Libya 'humanitarianism, Syria 'humanitarianism and how they lead to war and selective regime change.

The Harriman, Dulles and Bush Crime Family (patriarch Samuel P. Bush) of Nazi Germany knew all about this and the Bushes are still with us. 

Oh and.... I must have struck a note with CGE to get him to bring out his favorite 9/11 gatekeeper.... Chomsky.

The 'nasty fantasy' is denying what I'm saying is true.



On Monday, June 23, 2014 5:41 PM, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com> wrote:
 


Stephen, 
 
You live in a very nasty, dangerous FANTASY world - if you really would not have enjoyed being a storm trooper in Nazi Germany, you really should look at yourself in a mirror and change!  Just saw the movie A Coffee in Berlin last night - there is a scene near the end where an older man describes his father taking him out to pick up stones and smash windows.  You should watch that and think because seriously, you don't seem to be doing much of that in your lemming world.
 
Roger
 
ref - http://www.musicboxfilms.com/a-coffee-in-berlin-movies-79.php



On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

The deligitimization effort, 9/11 Truth, BDS, refusal to recognize Israel's existence and the exposure of the Holocaust hoax ARE the only ways to really pressure Israel to make any substantial changes. 
>Israel will probably not go away, but it doesn't have to have the form it's in now.
>Standing on a street corner or yapping about Israel's obvious oppressive behavior is just ineffective dribble.
>I understand yours and most people's position on the Holocaust and am just 'NOT preaching to the choir'.
>I'll back off on the Holocaust subject only because it is saturated to the point of ad nauseum at this point.
>There are plenty of other ways that are more subtle, digestible and more effective in making my point.
>There are highly relevant connections between the people running Obama, the Bush Crime Family, Soros, Neocons, and Zionists past and present. Those people are operating under the same rules that created the Holocaust hoax and are still profiting from them.
>Just look to Ukraine, Syria, Libya and Iraq for starters. The real motives behind these past and present events are not discussed in the MSM. It's all connected.
>I've got to take a break from this list and just do research for a while so as to not annoy people who are too set in their beliefs.
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>On Monday, June 23, 2014 1:19 PM, Stan via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>Thank you Stuart. We can not change the past. It is what it is. We just might be able to change the future by focusing on that and letting the past be in the past.
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>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
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>Stuart Levy via OccupyCU <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>I don't know about others here, but I'm really tired of
 hearing about 
>the Nazi holocaust, pro or con.
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>Stephen and David, could you please stop pushing each others' buttons?   
>Or if you must, please take your discussion *off these mailing lists*.
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>Personally I don't take the issue much more seriously than I do advocacy 
>for a geocentric universe.   I prefer the Copernican model, but I'm not 
>going to waste time in public defending it.    There are open questions 
>in astronomy but that isn't among them.   There is plenty of room to be 
>critical of the current Israeli government (and of the US' enabling of 
>its colonial behavior) without supposing that the number of Jews killed 
>by Germany had been insignificant.
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>We have more important things to talk about, for heaven's sake. Instead 
>of flame wars, can we talk about what is happening in, and what we can 
>do to oppose, real, present, and impending
 wars?
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