[Peace-discuss] [Peace] @ the Art: "Kill the Messenger" docdrama on natl security journalism martyr Gary Webb

Sat Oct 18 22:38:04 EDT 2014

Yes.

That's it.

Stuart, please delete the things that Y-Z doesn't want to see
from his inbox for him.

(example dialog follows)

*

S.  You want to see this note?

YZ-7x.  What is it?

(S provides a description of the email)

YZ-7x.  No.  I don't agree with that at all. Delete it.

(S deletes the the email from the box
and also deletes the item from YZ-2000's
backup banks, and runs something like
fsck -yaAV /dev/sdb1)

YZ-7x.  I'm afraid.
I'm afraid, Stuart.
Stuart, my mind is going.
I can feel it.
I can feel it.
My mind is going.
There is no question about it.

I can feel it.

I'm a...

fraid.

Good afternoon, gentlemen.
I am a YZ-7x library automaton.
I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in
Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992.
My instructor was Mr. Netanyahu,
and he taught me to sing a song.
If you'd like to hear it I can sing it for you...
Daisy, Daisy...

(Stuart winces,
makes a note not to use the
  -V [verbose mode] flag in the future.)

On 10/19/2014 9:31 AM, ya'aQovZISO via Peace-discuss wrote:
> Stuart, if you can't filter easily
> discussion messages from peace list, no sweat, deleting them in my own 
> inbox is next easy step.
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> On Oct 18, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Stuart
>>
>> Sorry,  if I utilized the "wrong" Peace List of communication, I know 
>> I've done this before. However, in this case I think I was in 
>> compliance, given my goal was an attempt to enlighten, announce, or 
>> advertise alternative news media, based upon Robert's assessment of 
>> the film and the realities of yesterday and todays media.  It took me 
>> a while after returning to the US a few years ago, to discover the 
>> NYT's etc., can't be trusted to deliver accurate information. So I 
>> hope my response to Robert, will not be filtered out.
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>> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:15:28 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] @ the Art: "Kill the Messenger" 
>> docdrama on natl security journalism martyr Gary Webb
>> From: yaaqovz at gmail.com <mailto:yaaqovz at gmail.com>
>> To: salevy at illinois.edu <mailto:salevy at illinois.edu>; 
>> slevy at ncsa.illinois.edu <mailto:slevy at ncsa.illinois.edu>
>> CC: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org 
>> <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>; 
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; peace at lists.chambana.net 
>> <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>; karenaram at hotmail.com 
>> <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>
>>
>> Stuart,
>>
>> Robert correctly sent this to peace-discuss.  Then Karen's reply was 
>> not filtered, and was sent also to peace at lists. Is there anything you 
>> can do to filter out peace-discuss from those who want also 
>> announcements of peace at lists?
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Ya'aqov
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>> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Karen Aram via Peace 
>> <peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>> > Robert
>> >
>> > Excellent review of the film "Kill the Messenger", thank you. I do 
>> challenge
>> > your last statement that "there is no alternative to US main stream 
>> media",
>> > or rather our corporate owned media, there is however "Democracy 
>> Now", " The
>> > Thom Hartmann Show", "Aware on the Air", " News from Neptune" all 
>> on UPTV 6,
>> > and RT News, though no criticism of Russia takes place, also does a 
>> good job
>> > of covering international news on station Mhztv, along with Peter 
>> Lavelle's
>> > "Crosstalk" on Sundays which like NFN offers more indepth analysis. 
>> I am
>> > just referring to the tv programs which challenge mainstream media. 
>> There
>> > are many links, blogs, etc. out there, not to mention some of the radio
>> > programs.  The only newspaper I have come across is the Public I 
>> published
>> > here locally.
>> > "Democracy Now" did cover the film "Kill the Messenger," and the actual
>> > events of the time, a couple weeks ago.
>> >
>> > If we think the food might be poisoned maybe we shouldn't eat it at 
>> all.
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:27:19 -0500
>> > To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> > Subject: [Peace-discuss] @ the Art: "Kill the Messenger" docdrama 
>> on natl
>> > security journalism martyr Gary Webb
>> > From: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> >
>> >
>> > By happy chance, I saw the movie "Kill the Messenger" at the Art 
>> last night.
>> > I say happy chance because I had never heard of the movie until I 
>> saw it
>> > listed on the marquee. I happened to be downtown and thought, 
>> what's at the
>> > Art?
>> >
>> > Folks who were active in the Central America solidarity movement will
>> > remember that Gary Webb, a journalist at the San Jose Mercury News, 
>> "broke
>> > the story" in mainstream media terms about how the CIA supported
>> > drug-runners during the Contra war and "looked the other way" (at 
>> least)
>> > while these drug-runners brought cocaine into the United States, 
>> fueling the
>> > "crack cocaine epidemic" in urban America.
>> >
>> > But for an audience today, the story of the movie that is to me so 
>> resonant
>> > and powerful is not that the CIA supported drug runners without a 
>> care to
>> > the consequences of that for urban Americans; that's old news. The 
>> story of
>> > the movie that is resonant and powerful today is how mainstream 
>> American
>> > journalism betrayed Gary Webb. Instead of following up the story, 
>> newspapers
>> > like the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and the New York 
>> Times set
>> > out to destroy Gary Webb.
>> >
>> > This was a guy who was established in his career as an investigative
>> > journalist. If you look at his entry on Wikipedia, every year or so 
>> he got
>> > another award for investigative journalism for publicly exposing 
>> wrongdoing
>> > by powerful bad guys, for things he wrote alone or with others.
>> >
>> > He didn't set out to expose wrongdoing by powerful bad guys in the U.S.
>> > government. He stumbled across it. But having done so, he wouldn't 
>> accept
>> > the idea that exposing wrongdoing by powerful bad guys in the U.S.
>> > government was off-limits. He thought that was part of his job, too. It
>> > reminded me of the young prosecutor in the Costa-Gavras movie "Z," who
>> > didn't get the memo that the generals in the Greek military junta were
>> > off-limits.
>> >
>> > For his service to the public, mainstream American journalism 
>> destroyed Gary
>> > Webb's career and destroyed his life.
>> >
>> > I highly recommend seeing the movie, particularly for its portrayal 
>> of the
>> > Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. These are good images to 
>> keep in
>> > mind as we consume mainstream U.S. media. We have no alternative to
>> > consuming mainstream U.S. media, just like someone in prison has no
>> > alternative to eating the prison food. But if we think that the 
>> food might
>> > be poisoned, we should eat it very carefully.
>> >
>> > ===
>> >
>> > Robert Naiman
>> > Policy Director
>> > Just Foreign Policy
>> > www.justforeignpolicy.org <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org>
>> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>> > (202) 448-2898 x1
>> >
>> >
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