[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [sf-core] Re: [Peace] Response to Martire talk yesterday

[Astrid Berkson]

it was the golden age of unions, free or cheap education, and 
competition. that was not real capitalism. from 1933 to 1960 we got most 
of the socialist platform of the 20's. when reagan broke the union of 
the air traffic controllers and said that a business wasn't a monopoly 
if prices didn't go up, he ushered in the gilded age of capitalism that 
is more fascism than capitalism.

"May this be the worst day of your life".
Old Irish blessing.

On 4/29/2015 9:49 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> There are clearly two types of income - that needed to live and that available to invest. Taxes should fall on the latter, not the former.
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> The sharply declining number of Americans who have both defines the difference between the ‘Golden Age of Captalism' (the generation after WWII) and the Neoliberal counterattack, in the next generation.  Wages, including the ability to build up capital, rose throughout the first period. They have been flat or declining for most Americans since 1973.
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> We live in the age of neoliberal triumph.
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>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 7:45 AM, David Green via OccupyCU <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> Martire's organization has always done a great job of documenting the real cuts in services over the years, adjusting for inflation and population growth. But it's important to note that his proposals for balancing the budget don't address the rapid expansion in public spending that is needed, and can only be funded by taxes on the wealthy. There's no reason to fetishize a balanced budget while our economy will still be miserable for over 1/3 of the people.
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>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:06 PM, Astrid Berkson <astridjb at comcast.net> wrote:
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>> i don't understand not taxing retirement income. many of us seniors own our homes, have a good income, and have no dependents. why should we pay no tax while people with 3 kids, childcare expense, and a lower income pay full tax? martire's graduated proposal is eminently reasonable
>> "May this be the worst day of your life".
>> Old Irish blessing.
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>> On 4/28/2015 6:54 PM, 'C. G. Estabrook' carl at newsfromneptune.com [sf-core] wrote:
>>> After 40 years of (accelerating) increase in inequality, the solution is obvious: tax HINWIs. The Democrats tried to do that in the last session, with their (limited) "millionaires tax," but there's some question how serious they were. But it's the right approach.
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>>> I think we should resist any proposal to expand the sales tax or to start taxing retirement income.
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>>> Illinois is fifth in the list of states with number of people with a net worth of $30 million or more - UHINWIs, "ultra-high net worth individuals" (after CA, NY, TX, and FL)
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>>> These are the Illinoisans who should be taxed, not those with investable assets less than $1 million.
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>>> http://www.cnbc.com/id/102213030
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>>>> On Apr 28, 2015, at 2:05 PM, David Green via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>>>> http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2015-04-28/want-fix-state-budget-heres-how-says-one-expert.html
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>>>> Ralph Martire offers a sound analysis of how Illinois has historically beggared its General Fund, which effects education, human services, etc. Nothing much different than I've heard before, but that's fine. He affirms that we are a rich state, and can well afford to support these programs. He probably understands how the rich have gotten to be so rich, and the poor so poor. Nevertheless, his proposals don't incorporate that awareness in terms of taxing the rich (income and or wealth), or a financial transactions tax.
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>>>> He's mistaken, in my view, in his emphasis on education for social mobility. We should fund schools much better and more equally for many reasons, but not because education is the "only hope" for poor children. If that's the case, then they have no hope. We need living wages and full employment, period.
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>>>> Regarding pensions, I asked him about just having a transfer (social security type) system for government employee retirement; he dismissed that as impractical, and he's probably right. But the fundamental point is that we have a pension system sucking money out of the real economy and into Wall Street--including Rauner's private equity wealth; the whole public/private pension model that we've been sold for the past 40 years is for the benefit of the 1%, and it only adds to systemic risk, as we can now clearly see. If we need to have a public pension system apart from social security, we need to invest that money in a state bank where it can be invested for the public good, not used in hedge fund/private equity Ponzi schemes.
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>>>> Martire has a clear and sound understanding of state budgetary issues; unfortunately, he doesn't recognize or acknowledge that we have ruthless top-down class warfare on our hands, and it can be fought at the state as well as national level. Even his modest, practical proposals are ignored by most Democratic Party politicians, notwithstanding Carol Ammons' support. I'm not sure how much longer we can ignore the need for a fundamental and honest analysis, however "impractical," as well as a political party that straightforwardly represents that analysis.
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>>>> David Green
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