[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Re: [Peace] Governor signs Israeli bill; not opposed by local Democrats

[C. G. Estabrook]

I don’t quite follow.

The US supported South African racism to enhance its economic control of southern Africa until international opprobrium (and the Cuban army) made that unprofitable.

The US now supports Israeli racism (worse than S. Africa’s, at least in the Occupied Territories) to enhance its economic control of Mideast energy resources. (Israel is our ‘stationary aircraft carrier’ in the region.) Our government is willing to aid in killing a lot of people in concert with our imperialist clients. 

Obviously racist (and murderous) policies by both clients both should be opposed. It’s a serious failure of ‘liberal’ legislators not to do so, then and now.  —CGE


> On Jul 25, 2015, at 5:52 PM, John jlvlo1945 at gmail.com [sf-core] <sf-core-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> I don't see how standing up to  Israel's very powerful lobby and recognizing that "what's good for Israel is good for the U.S." constitutes bad foreign policy is counter productive to reaching the promised land.  CGE, keep talking.
> From: 'C. G. Estabrook' carl at newsfromneptune.com [sf-core]
> Sent: ‎25/‎7/‎2015 16:26
> To: Gregg Gordon
> Cc: Bruce KAY; sf-core; occupycu; Peace Discuss
> Subject: [sf-core] Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Governor signs Israeli bill;not opposed by local Democrats
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> I take your failure to answer to be a recognition that our representatives should vote against apartheid, in South Africa and Israel.
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> The legal maxim is, ‘If the facts are for you, argue the facts; if the law is for you, argue the law; if neither, attack opposing counsel.'
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> > On Jul 25, 2015, at 3:03 PM, Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Not surprisingly you're missing the point. The point has nothing to do with South Africa, or even Israel. The point is you're a -- well, pompous ass is accurate enough, but too cliched. Donald Trump comes to mind as an apt comparison, except some people take him seriously, so I guess I'm at a loss. Nevertheless, that your missives are uniformly hostile and boorish, I can tolerate. Sometimes they even amuse me for their total lack of judgment and sense of scale, much the way Trump does. What does not amuse me is they are counterproductive to moving toward the better world everyone on these lists wants to see. So I wish you'd shut up, but I know you won't.
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> > On Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:45 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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> > Sorry. I meant to ask, What did you think of South African apartheid?
> > 
> > If the South African government had engineered a vote in its favor in the Illinois legislature a generation ago, what do you think your representatives should have done?
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> > The parallel isn’t exact: Israeli apartheid in the Occupied Territories is worse than South African apartheid ever was.
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> > —CGE
> > 
> >> On Jul 25, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
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> > Have you score on South African apartheid?
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 25, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Gregg Gordon via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> > I agree with Mr. Kay. Thanks for speaking up.
> > 
> > Gregg Gordon
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> > 
> > On Friday, July 24, 2015 10:40 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> > Would you say the same if they’d failed to vote against apartheid in South Africa?
> > 
> > (BTW, I haven’t done a radio program in years: are you sure you’re listening to others’ points of view?)
> > 
> > Regards, CGE
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> > 
> >> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:21 PM, Bruce KAY <bruce.kay at homemail.com.au> wrote:
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> >> Mr Estabrook,
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> >> You are a painfully single-issue twat. You have zero political nous. You fail to understand that Scott Bennett and Carol Ammons are good representatives of Champaign Urbana despite that they are not Green Party members and despite that they do not always agree with you sir, You show no tolerance of the compromises Carol and Scott are forced to make as working politicians attempting to achieve the policies they perceive as most important for our C-U constituency. You fail to understand, let alone acknowledge the cut and thrust of state politics. You try to bask in your former glory as a past candidate, without ever grasping the real reason why you never got elected. Because you are uncompromising. You pontificate on your radio program with obnoxious opinions, consistently displaying your inability to listen to others’ points of view.
> >> 
> >> For the past few weeks I have desisted from commenting on your tirade of harassment of Carol Ammons and Scott Bennett. But you are so one-eyed that your opinions amount to harassment.
> >> 
> >> I too favor the Green Party, and support Jill Stein for President. But I don’t subscribe to your brand of hateful chauvinist aggression
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Please Mr C G Estabrook, pull your head in.
> >> 
> >> Nobody wants to be harangued by your diatribe of hatred. 
> >> Bruce
> >> bruce.kay at homemail.com.au
> >> +1 217 419 9140 (in the USA)
> >> +61 412 213 689 (in Australia)
> >> Home address: 96 Murranji Street Hawker ACT Australia 2614
> >> Address in USA: 4018 N. Lincoln Avenue Champaign ILL USA 61822
> >> _________________________________
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> >>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 20:34, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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> >>> https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/new-illinois-law-does-not-make-bds-illegal
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> >>> The self-styled liberals from C-U, state senator Scott Bennett and state representative Carol Ammons, refused to vote against this bill, promoted by the government of Israel. The bill supports Israeli apartheid: they would not have refused to vote against a bill supporting South African apartheid a generation ago.
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> >>> —CGE
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