[Peace-discuss] US to Provide $70 Million Additional Funding to Syrian Rebels

[ewj at pigsqq.org]

many people forgot that Greenbaum was with Dr. West and did that thing
about the qiezi 
and he doesnt seem to remind folks about it much 
but it's a nice tie-in with Chicago and "gotta have a friend in
Garcia" 

 -------Original Message-------
 From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
 To: E. W. Johnson <ewj at pigsqq.org>
 Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
<peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
 Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] US to Provide $70 Million Additional
Funding to Syrian Rebels
 Sent: Mar 18 '15 00:02

I once had an argument with my sister about whether Greenbaum's
"Spirit in the Sky" was meant as satire. I argued no, but I fear I was
wrong in this rare instance. 

 On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 10:55 AM, E. W. Johnson <ewj at pigsqq.org>
wrote:

> On 03/17/2015 09:40 PM, David Green wrote: 
> 
>> The only way .... for the rest of us .... is to change society...
>> at a fundamental and structural level...
> 
> I think this is what Ibn Khaldur says happens, and must happen. The
> social contract breaks down as the 1%ers get more
> and more control and finally the system collapses. Of course this
> is feared but is actually the only way out.
> 
> The blue screen of death means that your pissy windoze system has
> finally gotten so corrupt that it can't function.
> You might be able to patch your way back in somehow, but generally
> a new operating system restoration i snecessated.
> 
> Boyd writes:
> 
>> According to Gödel we cannot-- in general--determine the
>> consistency, hence the character or nature, of an abstract system
>> within itself. According to Heisenberg and the Second Law of
>> Thermodynamics any attempt to do so in the real world will expose
>> uncertainty and generate disorder. Taken together, these three
>> notions support the idea that any inward-oriented and continued
>> effort to improve the match-up of concept with observed reality
>> will only increase the degree of mismatch. Naturally, in this
>> environment, uncertainty and disorder will increase as previously
>> indicated by the Heisenberg Indeterminacy Principle and the Second
>> Law of Thermodynamics, respectively. Put another way, we can
>> expect unexplained and disturbing ambiguities, uncertainties,
>> anomalies, or apparent inconsistencies to emerge more and more
>> often. Furthermore, unless some kind of relief is available, we
>> can expect confusion to increase until disorder approaches chaos--
>> death
> Chuy al-Ka-Seltzer really ain't all that much different from the
> present bunch. Even if the people are able
> to evict Rahm-bo, the system will continue on without him. The same
> limits of allowable debate will be imposed
> and pretty soon ya get back to square #1.
> 
>> Fortunately, there is a way out. Remember, as previously shown, we
>> can forge a new concept by applying the destructive deduction and
>> creative induction mental operations. Also, remember, in order to
>> perform these dialectic mental operations we must first shatter
>> the rigid conceptual pattern, or patterns, firmly established in
>> our mind. (This should not be too difficult since the rising
>> confusion and disorder is already helping us to undermine any
>> patterns). Next, we must find some common qualities, attributes,
>> or operations to link isolated facts, perceptions, ideas,
>> impressions, interactions, observations, etc. together as possible
>> concepts to represent the real world. Finally, we must repeat this
>> unstructuring and restructuring until we develop a concept that
>> begins to match-up with reality. By doing this--in accordance with
>> Gödel, Heisenberg and the Second Law of Thermodynamics--we find
>> that the uncertainty and disorder generated by an inward-oriented
>> system talking to itself can be offset by going outside and
>> creating a new system. Simply stated, uncertainty and related
>> disorder can be diminished by the direct artifice of creating a
>> higher and broader more general concept to represent reality.
>> 
>> However, once again, when we begin to turn inward and use the new
>> concept--within its own pattern of ideas and interactions--to
>> produce a finer grain match with observed reality we note that the
>> new concept and its match-up with observed reality begins to
>> self-destruct just as before. Accordingly, the dialectic cycle of
>> destruction and creation begins to repeat itself once again. In
>> other words, as suggested by Gödel's Proof of Incompleteness, we
>> imply that the process of Structure, Unstructure, Restructure,
>> Unstructure, Restructure is repeated endlessly in moving to higher
>> and broader levels of elaboration. In this unfolding drama, the
>> alternating cycle of entropy increase toward more and more
>> disorder and the entropy decrease toward more and more order
>> appears to be one part of a control mechanism that literally seems
>> to drive and regulate this alternating cycle of destruction and
>> creation toward higher and broader levels of elaboration. Now, in
>> relating this deductive/inductive activity to the basic goal
>> discussed in the beginning, I believe we have uncovered a
>> Dialectic Engine that permits the construction of decision models
>> needed by individuals and societies for determining and monitoring
>> actions in an effort to improve their capacity for independent
>> action.
>> 
>> Furthermore, since this engine is directed toward satisfying this
>> basic aim or goal, it follows that the goal seeking effort itself
>> appears to be the other side of a control mechanism that seemsalso
>> to drive and regulate the alternating cycle of destruction and
>> creation toward higher and broader levels of elaboration. In this
>> context, when acting within a rigid or essentially a closed
>> system, the goal seeking effort of individuals and societies to
>> improve their capacity for independent action tends to produce
>> disorder towards randomness and death. On the other hand, as
>> already shown, the increasing disorder generated by the increasing
>> mismatch of the system concept with observed reality opens or
>> unstructures the system. As the unstructuring or, as we'll call
>> it, the destructive deduction unfolds it shifts toward a creative
>> induction to stop the trend toward disorder and chaos to satisfy a
>> goal-oriented need for increased order.
>> 
>> Paradoxically, then, an entropy increase permits both the
>> destruction or unstructuring of a closed system and the creation
>> of a new system to nullify the march toward randomness and death.
>> Taken together, the entropy notion associated with the Second Law
>> of Thermodynamics and the basic goal of individuals and societies
>> seem to work in dialectic harmony driving and regulating the
>> destructive/creative, or deductive/inductive, action--that we have
>> described herein as a dialectic engine. The result is a changing
>> and expanding universe of mental concepts matched to a changing
>> and expanding universe of observed reality. As indicated earlier,
>> these mental concepts are employed as decision models by
>> individuals and societies for determining and monitoring actions
>> needed to cope with their environment--or to improve their
>> capacity for independent action.
>> (Destruction & Creation, John Boyd)
> Ibn Khaldun seems to be saying about the same thing... that a
> genuinely new world order can be formed on the ashes and rubble of
> the old one, as individuals recognize that their might be the need
> for a social contract, and everybody gets a 2nd chance, except for
> those guys.
> 
> Norman Greenbaum, the "Spirit in the Sky" guy, imagined that
> Chicago would be destroyed by a giant marauding aubergine descending
> from outer space. Probably more realistic if he'd thought of a
> pickle, probably a good kosher dill.


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