[Peace-discuss] Proposal

Tue Apr 12 09:02:53 EDT 2016

As usual Roger,

You mistake propaganda for facts.

The 9-11 Truth movement is not a monolithic organization.

It is composed of anyone who does not believe the official Bush Administration / corporate media lies. About the Sept. 11th 2001 attacks.

Neo-Nazis have and do try to use it to insert their twisted views.

David Johnson

From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Roger Helbig via Peace-discuss
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:32 AM
To: Stephen Francis
Cc: Peace Discuss; C. G. Estabrook
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Proposal

911 Truth is really a Neo Nazi front, but Stephen really hates being so branded - but his compatriots don't really act any different than NeoNazis - they also are the modern version of the flat earth society - they are a great cottage industry; they sell to adoring fans - they get paid to visit places and people like Douglas Lind Rokke and Leuren K Moret added 911 Truth to their venues when the anti-depleted uranium business was not paying quite as well - Moret has now moved on to Fukushima and has often claimed that the meltdown was caused by a tsunami triggered by the US use of the HAARP tectonic warfare weapon to cause the great earthquake off the Honshu Island coast.  

If anyone would like to query me off list, you have my e-mail address.  I will gladly provide details of what I say to interested correspondents, but I will not be able to do so until later in the month.

Roger Helbig

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:36 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

By denying that 9/11 Truth is an important tool in the fight against war (AWARE) you are effectively protecting Israel from an existential threat. If the world's citizens truly woke up to the fact that Zionists murdered 3000 people on 9/11, the existence of Israel would be threatened.

General Wesley Clark aptly described the real goal of the Bush administration and the world community is fully aware of Israel's role in that goal. 9/11 was the 'Pearl Harbor' that transitioned the world into the era of the 'war on terror'. It is undoubtedly of great importance, just as the assassination of JFK completely reversed his opposition to the Vietnam War. Only in the internet age could this be revealed. 

It is coming to light and cannot be questioned that Lyndon Johnson had deep Jewish family roots and his role in Kennedy's assassination has become a much more common belief because the MSM does not control the national conversation as it used to. It is also slowly coming to light Johnson's and Israel's role in Kennedy's assassination. It will not stop rising into our consciousness. It's too explosive.

The 9/11 Commission Report now has the credibility of the Warren Commission Report ... 70% skepticism of its veracity.

They are not believed in part because Israel's role is completely omitted. None of this can be thought of as anti-Semitism. It's just effective investigative journalism.

Google 'anti-Semitism' on Yahoo News. You'll find a constant drone of articles proclaiming a dramatic rise in 'anti-Semitism'

It comes from ever increasing array of issues including the Palestinians, Wall Street crooks, income inequality and now the highly documented fact that Israel was complicit in the 9/11 WTC attacks.  The 'hijackers' and Oswald were just patsies.

Israel's existence is now threatened by their own deeds.

General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw> 

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General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

Originally published in March 2007 General Wesley Clark: Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/1...

On Monday, April 11, 2016 6:38 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:

Steve—

It’s the consensus of the members and friends of AWARE who expressed an opinion that we should not accept your proposal to take part in AWARE ON THE AIR.

It is the remit of the program to contribute to awareness of current US war-making, in opposition to the official propaganda from government and media. 

It’s the opinion of the regular presenters of the program that your particular concerns can be distractions from that goal.

Regards, Carl

> On Mar 28, 2016, at 9:07 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your reply. I look forward to any further communications.
> 
> 
> On Monday, March 28, 2016 8:20 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> Steve—
> 
> AWARE is considering your proposal but haven’t come a conclusion yet, so we won’t invite you to tomorrow’s taping but will let you know about future shows. 
> 
> Regards, Carl
> 
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
> Dear Carl,
> Thank you for the opportunity to submit a proposal involving my participation on your community show.
> I do this with complete respect for your stature in the community along with all your colleagues.
> I realize that my views are controversial, but that does not make them false.
> It has always fascinated me that individuals can look at the same pieces of evidence and make completely opposing conclusions based on that evidence. One side or the other is clearly wrong and being irrational in varying degrees.
> 
> My appearance on your show will give viewers a chance to compare those conclusions, based on the presentation of evidence.  I try to adhere to the scientific method at all times in order to provide a common system for viewers to assess what they see and hear. Personal attacks, ad hominem statements should be strictly avoided by all participants. Accusing me of being a neo-Nazi is included in this requirement.  I am not a neo-Nazi and only refer to them in reference to their collaboration with Zionists (in Ukraine and elsewhere).
> 
> Before I go any further with this email, I would like to reiterate some points about my credibility in engaging this proposal in the event that this email gets forwarded to anyone.
> 
> A brief summary of points is as follows: As we discussed, my first foray into the world of political activism began in 1969. To make a long story short, I was arrested and jailed in the stockade at Fort Ord, California in 1969 as a uniformed Army soldier (along with three other soldiers) for disobeying orders given by three commissioned officers (to get on a bus) during a anti-Vietnam War demonstration. This act was the culmination of my becoming aware that the Vietnam War was an immoral, cooked-up act of typical warmonger profiteers that have been with us for centuries.
> 
> Once I got out of the service (with an Other than Honorable Discharge of which I'm proud) I did not participate in political activities of any kind until 9/11/2001, when it struck me that that day had a highly significant connection to the horrors of the Vietnam War. 
> 
> I was deeply moved by 9/11 and wanted to find out what really happened. I discovered hundreds of inconsistencies in the official story and started a website in 2002 detailing those inconsistencies. The website is www.newsfollowup.com and enjoys 40-70,000 pages downloaded per month that goes to all continents (reports available upon demand).  99% of all websites in the world get less traffic. The site gets only a minuscule drop of attention considering the total size of world wide web, but it is not insignificant. I think that I'm a reasonably well qualified to appear on your show.
> 
> I'm also the author of the YouTube channel 'Academic Freedom Conference' ... it enjoys 850 subscribers and over 208,000 views.
> 
> My research led me inevitably to Israel and Zionists ... and neocons. I had no prior reason to be suspicious of them until this research.  There is a common thread throughout the last one hundred and fifty years or so that has led me to this point and that is the creation of the State of Israel. If one follows that thread from the Bolshevik revolution to 9/11 there is incontrovertible evidence that this is a core principle that can lead to understanding our modern world. NewsFollowUp.com (and YouTube) is a journey through this period. This long-term global perspective is of ultimate importance. For example, if one considers the Industrial Revolution, Zionists... Rothschilds knew that the control of oil/energy and having a footprint in the Middle East was overwhelmingly essential.  All else easily falls into place from that one goal. The Palestinians never had the slightest chance to countering such massive wealth and power and they are still suffering from it. The Rothschild began financially supporting settlements in the late 19th century.
> 
> Once one crosses over the line and believes that Israel was complicit in 9/11 and that the official story of 9/11 is not true, then the total 'official' history of Israel becomes suspect. Tens of thousands of books and billions of dollars have been spent on re-writing history to obfuscate the real story of the creation of the State of Israel. In 2016 the internet is finally starting to significantly uncover the lies. The world-wide surge in anti-Semitism I believe is connected.
> 
> It is utterly horrific to consider that the leaders of Israel (and neocons) actually murdered 3000 people on 9/11 to further their own interests. Most people cognitively block out this possibility because it is so abhorrent, but if you openly look at the evidence, it is the only conclusion one can make and you let the evidence take you wherever it goes, unless one has ulterior motives. Worldwide polls confirm significant disbelief in the official story.  Israel has the most egregious history of false flag attacks of any country on the face of the earth. 
> 
> There is an incredibly well-organized effort by the Jewish academic community to utterly stamp out any consideration of investigating 9/11 on a university level and the effort is very effective.  George Bush tried to stop the formation of the 9/11 Commission but failed.  The final report is all but ignored because it is packed with lies and propaganda. The Jewish effort to stop any investigation of 9/11 comes from the same place I believe.
> 
> So, I'm requesting the acceptance of my proposal to participate in your show not to significantly change anyone's beliefs, but just to see if you'll actually allow it. Are you truly not intimidated by my message. Will you actually engage in a debate about the subjects I'm speaking of or will you just say they're unimportant, which to me is evidence of ulterior motives. 
> 
> I've been at this quest for the truth now for 14 years and have seen just about every method of rejection there is.  It's actually quite fascinating and I've come to the conclusion that alliances, camaraderie and a sense of belonging most of the time will trump acceptance of the truth in the world of politics. The cognitive dissonance created by being subjected to a view that is not in one's own sphere of people with similar beliefs overwhelmingly clouds easily recognizable evidence. 
> 
> I'm also very interested in what level or bar does a piece of evidence have to overcome in order for someone to admit that it is significant and deserves more investigation. For example, No steel highrise structure before or since 9/11 has collapsed or been destroyed by fuel fires or plane crashes? (not even considering that they fell at free fall speeds) ... In the world of criminal science, typically it only requires one significant piece of evidence to turn the direction of an investigation. Scientifically speaking it is 99.99999999% impossible for this collapse to happen, but in the case of 9/11 thousands of similarly weighted pieces of evidence are totally ignored. If a thief leaves fingerprints all over the scene of a crime, what is one to believe?
> 
> But this leads to this thought:  hypothetically speaking ... if Israel was actually investigated and found guilty of perpetrating a false flag attack in order to further its interest, would this not be a mind-blowing occurrence that would utterly overwhelm any other political topics, change the face of global politics, put into question the whole 'war on terror' and even have an effect on our interpretation of ISIS which is a direct consequence of the illegal war on Iraq ... which was rationalized by 9/11 ...on and on. Anyone denying the importance of this thought is doing so irrationally in my opinion. There are powerful forces stopping any kind of investigation.
> 
> Anti-Semitism is related and has been growing dramatically in the last few years. I closely watch and study this phenomenon and don't believe it is just because of the Palestinian issue. The internet is flooded with evidence of Israel's complicity in the 9/11 attack and it is prompting people to take a second look, which can lead all the way back to the Bolshevik revolution and actually the expulsions of Jews throughout the last two millennia. Anti-Semitism is in part on the rise because of the increased belief in the complicity of Israel in 9/11.
> 
> The internet is of much greater importance that what is generally believed.  Who would have thought that Donald Trump would be where he is at this point in the election cycle. He has literally torn to shreds the GOP mantra... not so much him but all the masses who have voted for him and are sick and tired of the wars and corruption of our government. They want a say in their future and are rejecting the 'establishment'. Anti-Semitism is expanding under the same sort of phenomena. The MSM no longer has the grip it used to.  People are waking up and are asking what is the real history of the State of Israel.
> 
> On a local scale, it is very easy to contain this anti-Semitism. I know. I've been black-listed and ignored, but on a global scale I have not been ignored. My website is really a reflection of global beliefs.  It doesn't create traffic per se, it reports on the quantity of people who are interested in its content. It's like a barometer more than anything else. My beliefs are still in the minority but are changing rapidly and the extent of anti-Semitism is an indicator of those changes.
> 
> If you decide to include me in one of your shows, I promise not to bring up the Holocaust.  I only focused on it before because of that individual who kept attacking me ... I have forgotten his name.
> I will be as civil as everyone else and respect all views. Please try to prove my wrong if you wish. I will listen to your arguments attentively.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Steve Francis
> http://www.newsfollowup.com <http://www.newsfollowup.com/> 
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0It_Q2qh6JQMLwKw1nB8Bg
> 
> 
> 
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