[Peace-discuss] Proposal

Wed Apr 13 13:52:38 EDT 2016

Regarding this statement:

* We do often talk about U.S. support for Israel and Saudi Arabia -- seemingly the closest friends of the United States -- as we exchange money, weapons, and military training; But the reason for this even coming into the conversation is again the actions of OUR government, not that we are anti-(other countries).

Do “we" not talk about the repression by Israel of the Palestinians, the attacks on Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, Syria… and other policies of Israel that we deplore? Strange that in replying to Stephen Daniel with otherwise admirable remarks, you insert this statement which I don’t believe holds wrt AWARE folks, the “we” of your remark.

Also, we may not be “anti- other countries", but we can be anti- what their governments and perhaps most of their people do and support.

Just a thought… The statement doesn’t apply to me.

—mkb

On Apr 13, 2016, at 12:22 PM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

correction:
Sophisticated-sounding political arguments that intricately navigate through idealistic and well-intentioned discourse play well on chat screens, but wilt under the light of good ole plain 'follow the money'  and analyzing who benefits,  in getting to the root of the system we rail against.
Investigations look for objective facts that fit patterns and care not who or what becomes the final target and eventual conclusions. I want names of people who can be prosecuted and put behind bars.
9/11 was a criminal attack on the US by Neocon Zionists to further theirs and Israel's goals in the Middle East and ... the 19 hijackers were patsies just as Oswald was a patsy in Kennedy's assassination. There are hundreds of pieces of evidence supporting this, if you look for them.
Yesterday, I created a partial list of Neocon Zionists from my work on the internet that totalled over 500 people, but the list was so long (or something?) that this (Peace-discuss) site system blocked it as spam...so I just dropped the idea...but it is available on the net with no spam issues whatsoever.
This is REAL investigation.

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:45 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com<mailto:stephenf1113 at yahoo.com>> wrote:

Sophisticated-sounding political arguments that intricately navigate through idealistic and well-intentioned discourse play well on chat screens, but wilt under the light of good ole plain 'follow the money'  and analyzing who benefits,  in getting to the root of the system we rail against.
Investigations look for objective facts that fit patterns and care not who or what becomes the final target and eventual conclusions. I want names of people who can be prosecuted and put behind bars.
Yesterday, I created a partial list of Neocon Zionists from my work on the internet that totalled over 500 people, but the list was so long (or something?) that this (Peace-discuss) site system blocked it as spam...so I just dropped the idea...but it is available on the net with no spam issues whatsoever.
This is REAL investigation.

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 11:17 AM, Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com<mailto:kmedina67 at gmail.com>> wrote:

As an anti-war activist:
* I am interested in stopping the atrocities that my country is perpetuating.
* I am not interested in provoking animosity toward people of other countries.
* We do often talk about U.S. support for Israel and Saudi Arabia -- seemingly the closest friends of the United States -- as we exchange money, weapons, and military training; But the reason for this even coming into the conversation is again the actions of OUR government, not that we are anti-(other countries).
* Working to change the current actions of the United States government is the sole responsibility of the citizens of the the United States: Classism, "Christian" extremism, exceptionalism, environmental destruction, and the mentality of "we are rich and powerful so we should tell those other countries who is boss" are the message that our current decision-makers in the United States are hearing.
The anti-war voice needs to focus on these issues.

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