[Peace-discuss] Fw: Can the Pentagon be restrained?

[Karen Aram]

Chomsky also said, "the Republican 2016 field is “off the spectrum of not only international opinion, but even relative sanity.”


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A "'radical insurgency' that scarcely seeks to participate in normal parliamentary politics, as observed by the respected conservative political commentator Norman Ornstein…”


On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:40 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:


That's a very good point Carl. The "weakness" or "reluctance" that some ascribe to Obama, would be replaced by Hillary's exuberance to destroy and follow the "plan", as exhibited by her callous reaction and involvement, with the destruction of Libya and brutal slaying of Gaddafi. The democrats want Hillary for a reason, she has proven herself. The republicans, what was the word Chomsky used to describe them recently?

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This is well put. The notion that it’s the Pentagon that’s doing it is perhaps too narrow. They aren’t that lonely, unfortunately.

E.g., Obama is down with the program, as has been clear since “Audacity of Hope.” The internal USG argument is about tactics, not strategy, unfortunately.

And the ‘Mackinder’ policy you describe has been that of the US government and the ’dominant social groups' behind it, literally for generations.

What you say is quite true & generally unknown. It’s the theme we should stress on the show.

There are obviously factions within the USG (and within the US ascendancy), but the overall goals are consistent, and anti-human; they lead on to what Chomsky describes as the two great threats to human survival - nuclear war and climate catastrophe.

We can’t even blame it all on the Pentagon - or Obama - guilty as they are. And we should point out that Clinton is an avid acolyte. —CGE


On Feb 8, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:


Ron

We have discussed this issue at great length on AOTA. The President is a rubber stamp for the Pentagon and Intelligence Community, as well as Advisors representing the "corporate elites". The plan to encircle and contain China and Russia goes back to Alastair Mackinder, George Kennan soon after WW2, and laid out for all to see by Zbigniew Brzezinski in his "The Grand Chessboard"in 1997, as well as other works by writers since then. It only became obvious when Obama began implementation with his "pivot to Asia" now referred to as a " rebalance", with our warships, whatever we choose to call them, in the S. China Sea. Most dangerous of all is Nato on the border of Russia. We know that Victoria Nuland and her gang were behind the regime change in Kiev, and that Russia is our likely first target.  China won't be so easy to dominate, as other nations slowly slip away from US grasp, given the importance China has in the region in relation to trade and commerce, with the AIIB etc.
Even though there are those within the Pentagon, CIA, Advisors, etc., even Kissinger ugh, are opposed to what we the US is doing, given the danger, we are going ahead, and Obama has just given Ash Carter, everything he asked for, which means.........stopping the Pentagon will require more than just stopping the Pentagon. I look forward to further discussion on this topic tomorrow at AOTA.


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From: "Szoke, Ron" <r-szoke at illinois.edu<mailto:r-szoke at illinois.edu>>
Date: February 8, 2016 at 1:04:48 PM CST
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Subject: The Pentagon's Lonely War Against Russia and China - Bloomberg View

The Pentagon's Lonely War Against Russia and China
By Josh Rogin
http://bv.ms/1Y49tmY<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bv.ms_1Y49tmY&d=BQMFAw&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=NA3NCe__C8ub0JcmtwaY5JflRuD75MCzeV6IYarr5jE&s=QdCyF8QTDf_qRLkYp_aLpbU8WHROWZbVQ-vrch59qR0&e=>
Bloomberg View

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