From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Nov 1 00:23:08 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 00:23:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A Conversation with Harold Killer Koh: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, Arendt’s comment “the banality of evil” also applies to the entire Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. We need the Illinois Inspector General to conduct a thorough investigation of all their ethical corruption for the last 15+ years, as I mentioned in my Friday speech. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 5:44 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Karen Medina ; Szoke, Ron ; Mildred O'brien ; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: Re: A Conversation with Harold Killer Koh: Having seen Harold Killer Koh interviewed briefly on tv, I was reminded of what Hannah Arendt referred to as the “banality of evil”. Filing a complaint after the event is a good idea. We’re not curbing anyone's "freedom of speech”. We were able to go ahead with the demonstration as planned. The complaint form is one page very simple. One can do it anonymously, if so desired. When completing the form it becomes obvious that it’s actually meant for after the fact, and likely deals primarily with “harassment” type of complaints. If enough people file, perhaps an investigation might actually take place. The College of Law shouldn’t be exempt from the law. On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:19, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: As I said before, if you don’t like this you should all file Complaints with the Illinois Inspector General at their web-site and demand an investigation. The more the better. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:00 PM To: 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Amanda Bass' >; 'C. G. Estabrook' >; 'C. G. Estabrook' >; 'Peace Discuss' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Stuart Levy' >; 'Karen Medina' >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'peace at lists.chambana.net' >; 'davegreen84 at yahoo.com' >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Belden Fields' >; 'jmachota at shout.net' >; 'Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List' >; 'Bryan Savage' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' > Subject: FW: A Conversation with Harold Killer Koh: A Seminar for Illinois Nazis Law School FYI Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Turner, Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 12:56 PM To: Law * College of Law Community > Subject: A Conversation with Harold Hongju Koh: A Seminar for College of Law Faculty, Staff, and Students Please join us for a conversation with Harold Hongju Koh Sterling Professor of International Law at Yale Law School Seminar for College of Law Faculty, Staff, and Students Friday, October 28 9-10 a.m. Room A As an academic institution, we strive to offer opportunities for academic discourse about important and complicated issues that challenge our communities, our nation, and the world. Consistent with that goal, we invite you to join fellow College of Law faculty, staff, and students for a conversation with Professor Harold Hongju Koh, the Sterling Professor of International Law at Yale Law School and former Legal Adviser of the U.S. Department of State. Professor Koh is one of the country’s leading experts in public and private international law, national security law, and human rights. If you wish to participate in the seminar-style conversation, please consider reading the materials listed below and available on the intranet, to facilitate discussion: Dan Klaidman, Kill or Capture: The War on Terror and the Soul of the Obama Presidency Prologue (pages 1-11) and Chapter 8 (pages 199-223) Charlie Savage, Power Wars: Inside Obama’s Post-9/11 Presidency Chapter 6 on Targeted Killing Elisa Massimino, Washington Post The wrong litmus test for activists Ryan Goodman, Just Security Advancing Human Rights from Within: The Footsteps of Harold Koh For more information: Carolyn Turner carolynt at illinois.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Nov 1 11:51:24 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 11:51:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A Conversation with Harold Killer Koh: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I said in my speech on Friday, the Gross Unethical Corruption here at the College of Law has cost the taxpayers of the State of Illinois the following—at a minimum: 1. $250,000 sanctions by the American Bar Association, our Accrediting Agency, for gross unethical corruption; 2. Hundreds of thousands of dollars paid to the law firm of Jones-Day to write an internal cover-up of the COL’s gross unethical corruption that was summarily rejected by the American Bar Association (the precise figure can be determined by an Illinois FOIA Request to the University of Illinois); 3. Hundreds of thousands of dollars paid to the Chicago Law Firm of Winston and Strawn to cover up the COL’s gross unethical corruption before the American Bar Association that was summarily rejected by the ABA (the precise figure can be determined by an Illinois FOIA Request to the University of Illinois). The Illinois Inspector General needs to launch an Investigation of the College of Law’s Gross Unethical Corruption, get to the bottom of this, and recoup that taxpayers’ money from the Four Deans Involved, including and especially Hurricane Heidi Hurd and Uncle Brucie Smith, all of that money from their own pockets. But again that requires someone to file a Complaint to that effect with the Illinois Inspector General. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:23 PM To: Karen Aram Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Karen Medina ; Szoke, Ron ; Mildred O'brien ; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: RE: A Conversation with Harold Killer Koh: Yeah, Arendt’s comment “the banality of evil” also applies to the entire Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. We need the Illinois Inspector General to conduct a thorough investigation of all their ethical corruption for the last 15+ years, as I mentioned in my Friday speech. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 5:44 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Karen Medina >; Szoke, Ron >; Mildred O'brien >; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: A Conversation with Harold Killer Koh: Having seen Harold Killer Koh interviewed briefly on tv, I was reminded of what Hannah Arendt referred to as the “banality of evil”. Filing a complaint after the event is a good idea. We’re not curbing anyone's "freedom of speech”. We were able to go ahead with the demonstration as planned. The complaint form is one page very simple. One can do it anonymously, if so desired. When completing the form it becomes obvious that it’s actually meant for after the fact, and likely deals primarily with “harassment” type of complaints. If enough people file, perhaps an investigation might actually take place. The College of Law shouldn’t be exempt from the law. On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:19, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: As I said before, if you don’t like this you should all file Complaints with the Illinois Inspector General at their web-site and demand an investigation. The more the better. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:00 PM To: 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Amanda Bass' >; 'C. G. Estabrook' >; 'C. G. Estabrook' >; 'Peace Discuss' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Stuart Levy' >; 'Karen Medina' >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'peace at lists.chambana.net' >; 'davegreen84 at yahoo.com' >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Belden Fields' >; 'jmachota at shout.net' >; 'Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List' >; 'Bryan Savage' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' > Subject: FW: A Conversation with Harold Killer Koh: A Seminar for Illinois Nazis Law School FYI Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Turner, Carolyn Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 12:56 PM To: Law * College of Law Community > Subject: A Conversation with Harold Hongju Koh: A Seminar for College of Law Faculty, Staff, and Students Please join us for a conversation with Harold Hongju Koh Sterling Professor of International Law at Yale Law School Seminar for College of Law Faculty, Staff, and Students Friday, October 28 9-10 a.m. Room A As an academic institution, we strive to offer opportunities for academic discourse about important and complicated issues that challenge our communities, our nation, and the world. Consistent with that goal, we invite you to join fellow College of Law faculty, staff, and students for a conversation with Professor Harold Hongju Koh, the Sterling Professor of International Law at Yale Law School and former Legal Adviser of the U.S. Department of State. Professor Koh is one of the country’s leading experts in public and private international law, national security law, and human rights. If you wish to participate in the seminar-style conversation, please consider reading the materials listed below and available on the intranet, to facilitate discussion: Dan Klaidman, Kill or Capture: The War on Terror and the Soul of the Obama Presidency Prologue (pages 1-11) and Chapter 8 (pages 199-223) Charlie Savage, Power Wars: Inside Obama’s Post-9/11 Presidency Chapter 6 on Targeted Killing Elisa Massimino, Washington Post The wrong litmus test for activists Ryan Goodman, Just Security Advancing Human Rights from Within: The Footsteps of Harold Koh For more information: Carolyn Turner carolynt at illinois.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Nov 1 15:34:56 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 15:34:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] This morning on the News Gazette Message-ID: day, November 1, 2016 67°F Today's Paper * News * Sports * Business * Living * A&E * Blogs * Opinion * Multimedia * Classified * Jobs * Shop * Weekly Ads BREAKING NEWS Two in custody for shootings in Urbana Home » Opinion » Letters to the Editor Colleague accepts U.S. propaganda Tue, 11/01/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I was startled to read, in the Oct. 23 News-Gazette, the historian Mark Steinberg — a former colleague when I was a visiting professor at the University of Illinois — repeating dangerous Obama-Clinton propaganda about Russia. He speaks of "Russia's belligerent role in world affairs" — when Russia's role seems defensive in comparison with the much more belligerent role of the U.S.: President Barack Obama has attacked eight countries (Bush attacked only six) and killed thousands of civilians with his drone assassinations, which have been called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." Steinberg speaks of Russia's "covert armed intervention in Ukraine" — referring to Russia's limited support for the Donbass region's resistance to attack from the government in Kiev, established by a U.S.-organized coup against a legitimate president; the Minsk II agreement, to bring the fighting to an end, was arranged by Russia, not the U.S. He refers to "the bombing in Syria," where Russia is legally supporting a legitimate secular government against a U.S.-supported jihadist insurrection; Obama administration killing (which Clinton proposes to expand) in Syria is illegal by international (and U.S.) law. And as the refugee Edward Snowden — in Moscow — makes clear, "cyberespionage in the U.S." is at best a case of the U.S. pot calling the Russian kettle black. And it is at least embarrassing, in the midst of the present U.S. election, to refer to "the erosion of democratic pluralism" in Russia, where Putin has far greater support than either Obama or Clinton do in the U.S. C.G. ESTABROOK Champaign -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Nov 1 15:47:18 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 15:47:18 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] This morning on the News Gazette In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah the campus is pretty anti-Russian. If you look at all the public lectures over here since the US coup against Ukraine, they seem to be anti-Russian. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 10:35 AM To: peace ; Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace] This morning on the News Gazette day, November 1, 2016 67°F Today's Paper · News · Sports · Business · Living · A&E · Blogs · Opinion · Multimedia · Classified · Jobs · Shop · Weekly Ads BREAKING NEWS Two in custody for shootings in Urbana Home » Opinion » Letters to the Editor Colleague accepts U.S. propaganda Tue, 11/01/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I was startled to read, in the Oct. 23 News-Gazette, the historian Mark Steinberg — a former colleague when I was a visiting professor at the University of Illinois — repeating dangerous Obama-Clinton propaganda about Russia. He speaks of "Russia's belligerent role in world affairs" — when Russia's role seems defensive in comparison with the much more belligerent role of the U.S.: President Barack Obama has attacked eight countries (Bush attacked only six) and killed thousands of civilians with his drone assassinations, which have been called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." Steinberg speaks of Russia's "covert armed intervention in Ukraine" — referring to Russia's limited support for the Donbass region's resistance to attack from the government in Kiev, established by a U.S.-organized coup against a legitimate president; the Minsk II agreement, to bring the fighting to an end, was arranged by Russia, not the U.S. He refers to "the bombing in Syria," where Russia is legally supporting a legitimate secular government against a U.S.-supported jihadist insurrection; Obama administration killing (which Clinton proposes to expand) in Syria is illegal by international (and U.S.) law. And as the refugee Edward Snowden — in Moscow — makes clear, "cyberespionage in the U.S." is at best a case of the U.S. pot calling the Russian kettle black. And it is at least embarrassing, in the midst of the present U.S. election, to refer to "the erosion of democratic pluralism" in Russia, where Putin has far greater support than either Obama or Clinton do in the U.S. C.G. ESTABROOK Champaign -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Nov 1 16:08:55 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 16:08:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NG letter "offering choices for voters." Message-ID: [http://www.news-gazette.com/sites/all/themes/custom/ng_fbg/images/news-gazette-full.png] Subscribe Log In Search Listen Now [http://www.news-gazette.com/sites/all/themes/custom/ng_fbg/images/wdws-wide-rev-full.png] Tuesday, November 1, 2016 67°F Today's Paper * News * Sports * Business * Living * A&E * Blogs * Opinion * Multimedia * Classified * Jobs * Shop * Weekly Ads BREAKING NEWS Two in custody for shootings in Urbana Home » Opinion » Letters to the Editor Green Party offers choice for voters Mon, 10/31/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I too wonder about the lack of media attention to the alternatives in this presidential election — as Gloria Baker Tillman (for Libertarians on Oct. 24) and Kipp Weickersheimmer (for independent Evan McMullin on Oct. 20) did too. I find it concerning, to say the least, that there is absolutely no coverage in the mainstream media — including our own News-Gazette — about the third-party candidates who will also be on the Nov. 8 ballot, even in light of the current "dog and pony show" that they call a presidential campaign. There has been no discussion about the many environmental issues that are effecting our planet now. Nor any discussion about the aging baby boomers and their health care needs (and high costs) and the massive influx of wounded soldiers who need health care that are coming home from our endless wars that have been sucking our economies for decades. These issues are impacting all of us. I would venture to say this "block out" of options is intentional. But thank goodness we can (still) access the internet for information beyond the spoon-fed agendas of the status quo. If you are as disgusted as I am — not to mention ashamed — I encourage you to learn more about the Green Party's "Green New Deal." Go to Dr. Jill Stein and Ajamu Baraka's website at Jill2016.com. DARCY GENTNER Urbana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Nov 1 16:11:40 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 16:11:40 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NG letter "offering choices for voters." In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Isn’t the News Gazette a: "dog and pony show"! fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:09 AM To: Peace Discuss ; peace Subject: [Peace] NG letter "offering choices for voters." [http://www.news-gazette.com/sites/all/themes/custom/ng_fbg/images/news-gazette-full.png] Subscribe Log In Search Listen Now [http://www.news-gazette.com/sites/all/themes/custom/ng_fbg/images/wdws-wide-rev-full.png] Tuesday, November 1, 2016 67°F Today's Paper · News · Sports · Business · Living · A&E · Blogs · Opinion · Multimedia · Classified · Jobs · Shop · Weekly Ads BREAKING NEWS Two in custody for shootings in Urbana Home » Opinion » Letters to the Editor Green Party offers choice for voters Mon, 10/31/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I too wonder about the lack of media attention to the alternatives in this presidential election — as Gloria Baker Tillman (for Libertarians on Oct. 24) and Kipp Weickersheimmer (for independent Evan McMullin on Oct. 20) did too. I find it concerning, to say the least, that there is absolutely no coverage in the mainstream media — including our own News-Gazette — about the third-party candidates who will also be on the Nov. 8 ballot, even in light of the current "dog and pony show" that they call a presidential campaign. There has been no discussion about the many environmental issues that are effecting our planet now. Nor any discussion about the aging baby boomers and their health care needs (and high costs) and the massive influx of wounded soldiers who need health care that are coming home from our endless wars that have been sucking our economies for decades. These issues are impacting all of us. I would venture to say this "block out" of options is intentional. But thank goodness we can (still) access the internet for information beyond the spoon-fed agendas of the status quo. If you are as disgusted as I am — not to mention ashamed — I encourage you to learn more about the Green Party's "Green New Deal." Go to Dr. Jill Stein and Ajamu Baraka's website at Jill2016.com. DARCY GENTNER Urbana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Nov 1 23:28:53 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2016 23:28:53 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] ICC Preparing to Investigate US War Crimes in Afghanistan Message-ID: Don’t break out the champagne, there are issues……... In Historic First, ICC Preparing to Investigate US War Crimes in Afghanistan Published on Tuesday, November 01, 2016 by Common Dreams In Historic First, ICC Preparing to Investigate US War Crimes in Afghanistan Foreign Policy reports that the International Criminal Court is poised to formally investigate U.S. actions for the first time in its history by Nika Knight, staff writer * * * * * * * 14 Comments [The remains of the MSF hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, six months after it was attacked in a U.S. airstrike.] The remains of the Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, six months after it was attacked in a U.S. airstrike. (Photo: Reuters) The International Criminal Court (ICC) is preparing to initiate a full investigation into potential war crimes in Afghanistan, including those committed by U.S. military personnel, Foreign Policy exclusively reported Tuesday. The magazine writes: Multiple sources have indicated that the chief prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, will seek to initiate an investigation in the coming weeks, likely after the U.S. presidential election but before the end of the year. U.S. officials visited The Hague recently to discuss the potential investigation and to express concerns about its scope. "Is the prosecutor concerned enough about the accusations of discrimination levied against the ICC that she's willing to go after U.S. clients and U.S. officials?" —Phyllis Bennis, Institute for Policy Studies A formal investigation of U.S. activities would be the first in the history of the ICC, to which the U.S. is not a party. But because Afghanistan is a member, an investigation is "certainly possible," Phyllis Bennis of the Institute for Policy Studies told Common Dreams. "Afghanistan joined the ICC in 2003, so all actions after that time are subject to ICC jurisdiction," Bennis said. "But then you get to the question of political will," Bennis added. The ICC has famously failed to investigate powerful Western nations while prosecuting African dictators, a disparity so glaring that several African countries recently quit the court, condemning it as the "International Caucasian Court." "Is the prosecutor concerned enough about the accusations of discrimination levied against the ICC that she's willing to go after U.S. clients and U.S. officials?" Bennis asked. Rights advocates hope that Bensouda may be willing to take aim at powerful nations. The prosecutor was behind the preliminary ICC report published last year, "Report on Preliminary Examination Activities" (pdf), which suggested that the U.S. was "responsible for 'physical and psychological' violence and torture that 'debased the basic human dignity' of those detained" in Afghanistan, as Common Dreams reported. Indeed, photos released by the Pentagon earlier this year demonstrated the brutal abuse of detainees at the hands of U.S. forces in Afghanistan. Bensouda may also probe the deadly bombing by U.S. forces of a Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) hospital in Kunduz, Foreign Policy reports. MSF has characterized the airstrike as a war crime, and rights groups have harshly criticized the Pentagon for its light punishment of those responsible for the attack. [Fall Fundraising Banner] Despite the looming investigation, Foreign Policy observes that prosecution of U.S. forces for war crimes is still a long way away and may not happen: [Prosecution] would require significantly more evidence than the prosecutor's office currently possesses. The ICC normally does not interview witnesses, take testimony, or gather forensic evidence during its preliminary examinations, and that work would be just the beginning. In order to charge Americans with war crimes, Bensouda would likely also have to demonstrate a link between the conflict in Afghanistan and U.S. detention policies, which may not be easy; the United States reportedly brought several detainees to Afghanistan from other parts of the world. Perhaps most controversial, the prosecutor's office would have to determine that the United States has failed to address allegations of torture through its own domestic prosecutions, investigations, and reviews. Moreover, any indictments related to Afghanistan would be months if not years away. Because no ICC member has referred the situation to the court, Bensouda will need the approval of a three-judge panel before launching an investigation. ICC judges have approved all three previous investigative requests from the prosecutor (in Kenya, Cote d’Ivoire, and Georgia), but their review can take several months, and the judges might request additional information before authorizing an investigation. "Still, the readiness of the prosecutor's office to open an investigation represents a sharp setback for President Barack Obama's administration, which has soughtseveral times to discourage an investigation in Afghanistan and even to avoid ICC mention of possible U.S. crimes," Foreign Policy notes. And once an investigation is underway, Bennis noted, the ICC prosecutor will be faced with "the question of how far up the chain of command do you go." "Do you start and stop with the soldier who tortured and abused detainees? This is what happened with Abu Ghraib," Bennis explained. "Individual soldiers were slapped on the wrist. Their commanders who set the standards that said it was okay to humiliate and sexually abuse people, to tie them up naked in a dog collar and take pictures of it—the commander establishes the tone of what their work entailed, but that was never considered." Bennis observed: "One of the questions that will have to be dealt with by the prosecutor if she decides to go forward is: do you go all the way up? Do you go after George W. Bush for using torture as a part of U.S. strategy? This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License Share This Article -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Wed Nov 2 14:31:47 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 09:31:47 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Proposed flyer for AWARE demonstration Nov. 5 Message-ID: Comments welcome. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: flyer-201611.rtfd.zip Type: application/zip Size: 5091 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Nov 3 12:53:53 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 12:53:53 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A message from Rich Whitney Message-ID: John Pilger’s article yet to come News Feed [https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-1/c38.38.481.481/s80x80/482973_10151100277126394_1113620074_n.jpg?oh=d6b60d2123d816135b6aa4090d424493&oe=58CED5A5] ‎Rich Whitney‎ to Paula Densnow November 1 at 9:50pm · Some of you may have seen the latest hit piece from the Daily Kos, entitled, "Yes, the "Green" Party has Endorsed Trump Over Clinton." Here is my response; please share as you see fit: First, the headline is a flat-out lie: The Green Party has endorsed its candidate, Jill Stein. It has not ever suggested, nor has its candidates ever suggested, that anyone vote for Donald Trump. The entire article is predicated on the premise that if Greens and their supporters stay true to their convictions and vote for their chosen candidate, this will be tantamount to a vote for Donald Trump. What is the foundation for this? That if the Green Party just disappeared, or abandoned the field, its supporters and voters would flock to Hillary Clinton. But since we refuse to go away, we don’t flock to Hillary Clinton. Therefore, according to this argument, we are “helping” Trump to win – and we are in effect “endorsing” Trump, even though we are not. The premise is false. I, for one, have not voted Democratic OR Republican since 1980 except in lower-level races where there was no acceptable third-party choice – typically judicial races and the like. If the Green Party did not exist, it would be necessary to create it, or something just like it – and Hillary Clinton STILL would not get my vote, nor that of all or most Greens. The Democratic Party and its candidates are not serving the interests of the people. They are serving the same corporatist/Wall Street/Big Oil/Big Pharma/Big Agra/Military-Industrial Complex interests as the Republicans. They are only doing it with a different veneer. Yes, some of them are better on a few social issues. They usually give better speeches. They don’t CHANT, “Drill, Baby Drill” – they just continue supporting Big Oil in FACT, including fracking, more pipelines and more offshore oil leases, all of which have proliferated under Obama and were championed by Clinton as Secretary of State. Under the Obama administration, frequently pushed by Hillary, the U.S. has not championed peace but war. From Afghanistan and Iraq and the first few strikes in Pakistan under Bush, we have now flagrantly violated international law and murdered thousands of people from the sky in those three countries plus Somalia, Libya, Yemen and Syria. Clinton also supported the coup in Honduras that has led to the murder of environmentalists, arming the misogynistic, terror-supporting dictatorship in Saudi Arabia, and supporting the armed insurrection in Syria that has now brought death and destruction to that country, contributed to the rise of ISIS and created millions of refugees, creating a massive humanitarian crisis racking all of Europe and the Middle East. She has also supported policies of dangerous brinksmanship with Russia and China, including support for the fascistic post-coup government in Ukraine (engineered by her appointee Victoria Nuland, a protégée of Dick Cheney), and I presume that she supports the Obama administration’s plan to spend a trillion dollars on a new generation of nuclear weapons. That last point deserves some context. In 1990, then-Secretary of State James Baker promised Mikhail Gorbachev, as part of the agreement to end the Soviet Union and the Cold War, that NATO would expand not “one inch to the east.” He even promised that “we were going to make them a member [of NATO], we were–observer first and then a member.” In other words: the U.S. promised that NATO would not extend up to the borders of Russia and so become a mortal threat to the national security of the Russian people — now isolated and separated from its former military allies. Russia kept its part of the bargain. The United States did not; from Clinton I, through Bush II and then Obama, both Dem and Republican presidents instead broke the promise and expanded NATO to absorb former member-nations of the Warsaw Pact, turning it into an anti-Russian military alliance — exactly what the U.S. had promised would never happen. Under Obama and Secretary of State Clinton, this included expending $5 billion to foment the coup in Ukraine, tightening the noose. The administration has engaged in similar military brinksmanship against China. Now Clinton proposes the insane idea of a “no-fly zone” in Syria, ignoring the fact that Russia is there at the invitation of a sovereign government, while the U.S. has no legal authority to be in Syria at all, and is violating the U.N. Charter by fomenting an insurrection with fighters who are essentially (and some literally) Al-Quaeda. Clinton is to the right of Obama on war issues. She pushed for the illegal attack on Libya, which morphed from the blatant lie of “preventing a bloodbath” into a push for regime change, with no one in the Obama administration blinking an eye as they just carried out another illegal war, paving the way for the rise of ISIS. In sum, the Democrats put up a cold-blooded killer, a tool of Wall Street and the military-industrial complex willing to risk nuclear Armageddon in order to continue to dominate supplies of oil and other wealth, while the Republicans put up a crazy, racist and sexist capitalist huckster and con artist for president. So, of course, many people who really care about the future of humankind and the eco-system, and find aggressive war to be morally unacceptable, make the rational choice not to vote for either of them but to stick to voting for someone who represents a genuine choice for peace, environmental restoration and progress. And they get attacked for it. Not by Republicans but by Democratic operatives, in institutions like the Daily Kos or the Daily Beast, et al., who continue to insist on some sort of “loyalty” to a party that many of us never embraced in the first place, and that, in any event, has failed to earn it. The only real case that they have for supporting Clinton is to try to persuade us that Trump is scarier. But that is incapable of proof one way or the other. What’s worse, a loose cannon or a cannon pointed squarely at the people of the Middle East, Africa, Russia and China? What’s worse, a climate denier, or someone who acknowledges the climate crisis but promotes policies that continue to promote the combustion of more fossil fuels? One can debate it either way but the only certainty is that BOTH ARE UNACCEPTABLE. So in response to that, of course Stein and Baraka are going to emphasize the scariness of Clinton – because it’s the Clintonites who are doing the attacking. In that context, they make a valid point: When Republicans are in power, some Democrats tend to get motivated. They push back on environmental and peace issues. But when their own get in power, they go to sleep. In 2002 - 2007, we had a militant peace movement in this country. After Obama got elected in 2008, where have all the mass protests gone? Yes, die-hards like me are still at it, but armchair liberals all went home because one of their “own” was in the Oval Office. And then he went about attacking four more countries, illegally, with virtually no resistance. The author of this article doesn’t even get her facts straight. The article entitled “ “Why Hillary Clinton Is More Dangerous Than Donald Trump,” was not written by Baraka but by John Pilger. It’s worth a read:https://newmatilda.com/…/john-pilger-why-hillary-clinton-…/… But the author doesn’t want people to read and analyze. The author wants to take a few quotes and tweets out of context and spin it into a fairy tale that Greens are “endorsing” Trump. It’s rubbish – another hit piece based on a lie. Our current situation DEMANDS political revolution. Bernie started one, and if enough Sanderistas come on board with Jill Stein, we can make something happen. The 2016 race has already defied the usual expectations. Support for third-party and independent candidates is at an historic high. There is still time for more dramatic change to occur. We are not prisoners of history; we can make our own. The world can't afford to wait. We can't afford once again, to be herded into the camp of a destructive Democratic leadership out of fear that the Republican buffoon will be worse. We can’t keep bankrupting ourselves funding a war on terrorism that both sows and reaps ever more terror. We can’t afford another nuclear arms race, coupled with a dangerous policy of strangling Russia. The global ecosystem is not going to wait for us to make a gradual shift in the political temperature. This is the time for American voters to stand up and demand real change. We're out of time to do anything less. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Nov 3 13:44:53 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 13:44:53 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Fwd: NATO Warmongering at the Highest Pitch - A NEW PLAN to COUNTER the WARMONGERING References: <7eeb22.12bb4a17.454bfc84@aol.com> <89835B69-AE29-4D74-AA5B-DC958FBD859E@gmail.com> <50148781.354861.1478180144031@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 8:44 AM To: 'andre at globalstrategyofnonviolence.org' ; Alice Slater ; abolition-caucus at yahoogroups.com; abolition-2000-new-york at googlegroups.com; Abolition-Global_Council at yahoogroups.com (Abolition-Global_Council at yahoogroups.com) ; wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com; disarm at onlinegroups.net; ufpj-disarm at yahoogroups.com; nymetroprogressives at googlegroups.com Cc: BBlum6 at aol.com; rogerweaton at gmail.com; kboyd at internationalbillofrights.org; michaeln.nagler72 at gmail.com; research_rick at yahoo.ca; bsidneysmith at gmail.com; andyyuan at berkeley.edu; elizunasf at gmail.com; rick at rickorser.ca; aslater at rcn.com; rwrozoff at yahoo.com; globalnet at mindspring.com; naiman at justforeignpolicy.org; charles.derber at bc.edu; info at ecoliteracy.org; jsmanson at aol.com; PeaceNovato at hotmail.com; maija.schaefer at verizon.net; erolvekil at gmail.com; larry at wescomm.com Subject: RE: Fwd: NATO Warmongering at the Highest Pitch - A NEW PLAN to COUNTER the WARMONGERING At our Rally against Killer Koh last Friday at this Nazi Law School, we started a National Peace Campaign against the Clinton Administration. We have already hit the ground running. Fab, Ed Norton Professor of Law Subject: [Peace] Anti War Group Protests On U of I Campus Anti War Group Protests On U of I Campus BY HUNTER MCKEE FRIDAY, OCTOBER 28TH 2016 CHAMPAIGN, Ill. (WCCU) — Protesters lined up outside the University of Illinois Law School Friday. An anti-war group who expressed their concerns about guest speaker Harold Koh, who they believe is an advocate toward violence. Koh served as a Dean at Yale Law School and spent four years as the 22nd Legal Advisor of the United States. "He is an advocate of drone warfare, he's responsible for many deaths, not of soldiers, but of children, he's killing civilians and this is what the American people have to recognize,” said Karen Aram, a member of a member of the local antiwar, anti-racism effort or "AWARE. They are just one of the groups who decided to protest against the university for showcasing Koh as a guest speaker for the law school, but this protest doesn't just involve them. Francis Broyle has been a law professor at the college for 39 years and he supports this movement, "This is the most despicable act I have ever seen here at the College of Law.” The University of Illinois respond by stating this: "Professor Harold Koh was selected because he is one of the country's leading experts in public and private international law, national security law, and human rights. He has received fourteen honorary degrees and more than thirty awards for his human rights work." However, Broyle and others believe it’s wrong for the university to support him. "This clearly violates the Illinois Ethics Government Act and I would encourage the people in the community to file a complaint.” FOX 55/27 News in Illinois See the VDO on their website Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 7:02 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: Friday's Protest against Killer Koh Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 6:47 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Friday's Protest against Killer Koh http://foxillinois.com/news/local/anti-war-group-protests-on-u-of-i-campus Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: andre at globalstrategyofnonviolence.org [mailto:andre at globalstrategyofnonviolence.org] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 8:36 AM To: Alice Slater >; abolition-caucus at yahoogroups.com; abolition-2000-new-york at googlegroups.com; Abolition-Global_Council at yahoogroups.com (Abolition-Global_Council at yahoogroups.com) >; wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com; disarm at onlinegroups.net; ufpj-disarm at yahoogroups.com; nymetroprogressives at googlegroups.com Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; BBlum6 at aol.com; rogerweaton at gmail.com; kboyd at internationalbillofrights.org; michaeln.nagler72 at gmail.com; research_rick at yahoo.ca; bsidneysmith at gmail.com; andyyuan at berkeley.edu; elizunasf at gmail.com; rick at rickorser.ca; aslater at rcn.com; rwrozoff at yahoo.com; globalnet at mindspring.com; naiman at justforeignpolicy.org; charles.derber at bc.edu; info at ecoliteracy.org; jsmanson at aol.com; PeaceNovato at hotmail.com; maija.schaefer at verizon.net; erolvekil at gmail.com; larry at wescomm.com Subject: Re: Fwd: NATO Warmongering at the Highest Pitch - A NEW PLAN to COUNTER the WARMONGERING From: Andre Sheldon, Director, Global Strategy of Nonviolence The following is an EMERGENCY PLAN Namaste, Salam, Shalom, Peace, Pace, Paz, Please see the attached letter. The world needs something different to defuse conflicts, something to "Reach into Every Household" to enlist and unite the people that ordinarily are not involved -- a PEOPLE MOVEMENT. I am a strategist. The time to act is now and a plan is ready. Thank you very much. Peace and Love, Andre Andre Sheldon Director, Global Strategy of Nonviolence Facilitator, CALL to WOMEN, a World-Wide Unity Campaign Cell number: +1-617-413-9064, Home number: +1-617- 964-5267 Email: Andre at GlobalStrategyofNonviolence.org Website: www.GlobalStrategyofNonviolence.org Facebook: Global Movement of Nonviolence Ambassador Anwarul Chowdhury wrote, “I believe with all my conviction that without peace, development is not possible, without development, peace is not achievable, but without women, neither peace nor development can be realized.” ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 14:55:02 2016 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 09:55:02 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] 3 events Sat Nov 5th! 2pm Demonstration; 4pm Medea Benjamin (CODE PINK); 6:30pm "The 13th" Message-ID: <8cd6a608-3fd1-7259-ecf5-bf8e82e65cd8@gmail.com> Three events coming this Saturday, Nov. 5th - hope you can attend some or all: 2-4pm, corner of Main and Neil, downtown Champaign AWARE monthly anti-war demonstration 4-5:30pm, McKinley Foundation, 809 S 5th St, Champaign Antiwar activist Medea Benjamin, of CODE PINK, speaks on her book: * "Kingdom of the Unjust: Behind the US-Saudi Connection"* 6:30pm, Channing Murray Foundation, 1209 W Oregon, Urbana *Showing and discussion of "The 13th",* documentary on mass incarceration in America and its roots in slavery - a film by Ava Duvernay (who also made "Selma"). Local activist James Kilgore, who is interviewed in the film, will lead a discussion following the film showing. Details below. ===================== Central Illinois Progressive Democrats of America, Just Foreign Policy, Eco-Justice Collaborative, and Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort (AWARE) present Activist and Nobel Peace Prize nominee Medea Benjamin Medea will sign and discuss her new book, *Kingdom of the Unjust: Behind the US-Saudi Connection,* and the condition of the international Peace Movement. WHERE: Thanks to McKinley Presbyterian Church, 809 S. Fifth St., Champaign, IL 61820. Parking available in garage across from church or on-street. WHEN: Saturday, Nov. 5, 4:00-5:30 pm Books available for purchase on-site. Medea Benjamin, co-founder of women’s peace organization CODEPINK, has become famous for fearlessly tackling head-on subjects most of us studiously avoid. In Kingdom of the Unjust, she researches the sinister nature of the relationship between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. In seven succinct chapters followed by a meditation on prospects for change, Benjamin—cited by the L.A. Times as “one of the high-profile members of the peace movement”—shines a light on one of the most perplexing elements of American foreign policy. What is the origin of this strange alliance between two countries that seemingly have very little in common? Why does it persist, and what are its consequences? This event is free and open to the public. =============================== 6:30PM 11/5 showing of *"The 13th"* at Channing-Murray Foundation As the final event in our campaign to defeat the sales tax (jails tax) referendum, Build Programs, Not Jails presents a showing of 13th. Ava Duvernay (of /Selma/ and /Queen Sugar/ fame) has produced this new documentary, a history of mass incarceration and its roots in the legacy of slavery. The film takes its name after the 13th amendment to the constitution which supposedly abolished slavery but still permits it for those "duly convicted" of a crime. Nominated for five critics choice awards, the film includes interviews with Angela Davis, Michelle Alexander, Newt Gingrich, Van Jones and a host of others. Among these is U of I faculty member and local activist JAMES KILGORE who will be on hand to speak about the film and lead a discussion after the showing. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenf1113 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 3 18:43:03 2016 From: stephenf1113 at yahoo.com (Stephen Francis) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 18:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 154, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1873468062.603316.1478198583822@mail.yahoo.com> I'm working on an uncensored version (video) of the events that took place on October 28th at the law school.I actually had a very constructive conversation with the UofI detective who monitored the event and also an Argentinian law student, but obviously no one else.It is immensely interesting and educational to be ostracized, ridiculed and denigrated just for holding views that I have worked so hard over the years to confirm their veracity.My research and websites are visited by 50-150,000 people per month of which a substantial portion agree with my positions, so I'm only slightly nicked by the treatment I receive for my anti-Zionist/anti-war position locally.  These two terms can be proved to be inextricably linked.In fact, it really just makes me work harder and with more enthusiasm.Thank you all. On Thursday, November 3, 2016 9:45 AM, "peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net" wrote: Send Peace-discuss mailing list submissions to     peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net You can reach the person managing the list at     peace-discuss-owner at lists.chambana.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Peace-discuss digest..." Today's Topics:   1. FW: Fwd: NATO Warmongering at the Highest Pitch - A NEW PLAN       to COUNTER the WARMONGERING (Boyle, Francis A) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2016 13:44:53 +0000 From: "Boyle, Francis A" To: Karen Aram , "chicago at worldcantwait.net"     , Amanda Bass , "C. G.     Estabrook" , "C. G. Estabrook"     , Peace Discuss     , David Johnson     , Stuart Levy ,     "Karen Medina" , "Szoke, Ron"     , "Mildred O'brien" ,     "peace at lists.chambana.net" ,     "davegreen84 at yahoo.com" , "Readel, Karin"     , "Estabrook, Carl G" ,     Belden Fields , "jmachota at shout.net"     , "Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List"     , Bryan Savage ,     "Hoffman, Valerie J" , "Miller, Joseph Thomas"     , "sherwoodross10 at gmail.com"     , David Swanson Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Fwd: NATO Warmongering at the Highest     Pitch - A NEW PLAN to COUNTER the WARMONGERING Message-ID:     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 8:44 AM To: 'andre at globalstrategyofnonviolence.org' ; Alice Slater ; abolition-caucus at yahoogroups.com; abolition-2000-new-york at googlegroups.com; Abolition-Global_Council at yahoogroups.com (Abolition-Global_Council at yahoogroups.com) ; wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com; disarm at onlinegroups.net; ufpj-disarm at yahoogroups.com; nymetroprogressives at googlegroups.com Cc: BBlum6 at aol.com; rogerweaton at gmail.com; kboyd at internationalbillofrights.org; michaeln.nagler72 at gmail.com; research_rick at yahoo.ca; bsidneysmith at gmail.com; andyyuan at berkeley.edu; elizunasf at gmail.com; rick at rickorser.ca; aslater at rcn.com; rwrozoff at yahoo.com; globalnet at mindspring.com; naiman at justforeignpolicy.org; charles.derber at bc.edu; info at ecoliteracy.org; jsmanson at aol.com; PeaceNovato at hotmail.com; maija.schaefer at verizon.net; erolvekil at gmail.com; larry at wescomm.com Subject: RE: Fwd: NATO Warmongering at the Highest Pitch - A NEW PLAN to COUNTER the WARMONGERING At our Rally against Killer Koh last Friday at this Nazi Law School, we started a National Peace Campaign against the Clinton Administration. We have already hit the ground running. Fab, Ed Norton Professor of Law Subject: [Peace] Anti War Group Protests On U of I Campus Anti War Group Protests On U of I Campus BY HUNTER MCKEE FRIDAY, OCTOBER 28TH 2016 CHAMPAIGN, Ill. (WCCU) — Protesters lined up outside the University of Illinois Law School Friday. An anti-war group who expressed their concerns about guest speaker Harold Koh, who they believe is an advocate toward violence. Koh served as a Dean at Yale Law School and spent four years as the 22nd Legal Advisor of the United States. "He is an advocate of drone warfare, he's responsible for many deaths, not of soldiers, but of children, he's killing civilians and this is what the American people have to recognize,” said Karen Aram, a member of a member of the local antiwar, anti-racism effort or "AWARE. They are just one of the groups who decided to protest against the university for showcasing Koh as a guest speaker for the law school, but this protest doesn't just involve them. Francis Broyle has been a law professor at the college for 39 years and he supports this movement, "This is the most despicable act I have ever seen here at the College of Law.” The University of Illinois respond by stating this: "Professor Harold Koh was selected because he is one of the country's leading experts in public and private international law, national security law, and human rights. He has received fourteen honorary degrees and more than thirty awards for his human rights work." However, Broyle and others believe it’s wrong for the university to support him. "This clearly violates the Illinois Ethics Government Act and I would encourage the people in the community to file a complaint.” FOX 55/27 News in Illinois See the VDO on their website Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 7:02 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: Friday's Protest against Killer Koh Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 6:47 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Friday's Protest against Killer Koh http://foxillinois.com/news/local/anti-war-group-protests-on-u-of-i-campus Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: andre at globalstrategyofnonviolence.org [mailto:andre at globalstrategyofnonviolence.org] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2016 8:36 AM To: Alice Slater >; abolition-caucus at yahoogroups.com; abolition-2000-new-york at googlegroups.com; Abolition-Global_Council at yahoogroups.com (Abolition-Global_Council at yahoogroups.com) >; wbw-discussion at googlegroups.com; disarm at onlinegroups.net; ufpj-disarm at yahoogroups.com; nymetroprogressives at googlegroups.com Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; BBlum6 at aol.com; rogerweaton at gmail.com; kboyd at internationalbillofrights.org; michaeln.nagler72 at gmail.com; research_rick at yahoo.ca; bsidneysmith at gmail.com; andyyuan at berkeley.edu; elizunasf at gmail.com; rick at rickorser.ca; aslater at rcn.com; rwrozoff at yahoo.com; globalnet at mindspring.com; naiman at justforeignpolicy.org; charles.derber at bc.edu; info at ecoliteracy.org; jsmanson at aol.com; PeaceNovato at hotmail.com; maija.schaefer at verizon.net; erolvekil at gmail.com; larry at wescomm.com Subject: Re: Fwd: NATO Warmongering at the Highest Pitch - A NEW PLAN to COUNTER the WARMONGERING From:  Andre Sheldon, Director, Global Strategy of Nonviolence The following is an EMERGENCY PLAN Namaste, Salam, Shalom, Peace, Pace, Paz, Please see the attached letter.  The world needs something different to defuse conflicts, something to "Reach into Every Household" to enlist and unite the people that ordinarily are not involved -- a PEOPLE MOVEMENT. I am a strategist.  The time to act is now and a plan is ready.  Thank you very much. Peace and Love, Andre Andre Sheldon Director, Global Strategy of Nonviolence Facilitator, CALL to WOMEN, a World-Wide Unity Campaign Cell number: +1-617-413-9064, Home number: +1-617- 964-5267 Email:  Andre at GlobalStrategyofNonviolence.org Website: www.GlobalStrategyofNonviolence.org Facebook: Global Movement of Nonviolence Ambassador Anwarul Chowdhury wrote, “I believe with all my conviction that without peace, development is not possible, without development, peace is not achievable, but without women, neither peace nor development can be realized.” ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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NOV. 5th 11 AM - 1 PM Central Time 104.5 FM and webcast LIVE worldwide at www.wrfu.net Two Special Guest Segments - MARTELL MILLER and CHRIS EVANS - Champaign Urbana Racial Justice activists will discuss the upcoming Champaign County quarter cent sales tax ballot referendum, that many people say is in fact a Jail Tax. Also SCOTT SUMMERS - Illinois Green Party U.S. Senate candidate will call in at 12 noon to discuss his campaign and why the Green party is the ONLY nation-wide opposition political party currently in the U.S. that opposes corporate control of our government. Stay tuned after the World Labor hour for " THE UNION EDGE " with Host Charles Showalter, broadcast from Pittsburgh Pa. All on radio station WRFU - Radio Free Urbana, corporate free community radio for the people. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Nov 4 13:43:29 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:43:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com Message-ID: Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html UI speaker part of U.S. war machine Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. KAREN ARAM Urbana Share From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Nov 4 13:48:19 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:48:19 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Coverage of the demonstration, filmed by Paul Muth, is being presented on UPTV6 this evening at 7:00pm. It will be on U-Tube as well. > On Nov 4, 2016, at 06:43, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Illinois Nazis Law School > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM > To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com > > http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html > UI speaker part of U.S. war machine > > > > > > Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette > > > I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. > > We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. > > Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. > > Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. > > > > > > Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. > > KAREN ARAM > > Urbana > > > > Share From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Nov 4 13:52:53 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 13:52:53 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My thanks to Paul for doing this. Paul has been involved in Peace and Justice work in this town for as long as I can remember. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:48 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A ; Jay Becker ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: Re: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com Coverage of the demonstration, filmed by Paul Muth, is being presented on UPTV6 this evening at 7:00pm. It will be on U-Tube as well. > On Nov 4, 2016, at 06:43, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Illinois Nazis Law School > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM > To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com > > http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html > UI speaker part of U.S. war machine > > > > > > Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette > > > I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. > > We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. > > Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. > > Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. > > > > > > Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. > > KAREN ARAM > > Urbana > > > > Share From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Nov 4 18:01:08 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 18:01:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: [globenet] Re: Why not both campaign HQ? Re: SWM-D PRESS ALERT - Anti-War rally Saturday in Brooklyn will march on Hillary Clinton's Campaign HQ In-Reply-To: References: <3CF24634-2553-4D69-9211-B44751742813@newmexico.com> Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: globenet at yahoogroups.com [mailto:globenet at yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 10:15 AM To: globenet at yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [globenet] Re: Why not both campaign HQ? Re: SWM-D PRESS ALERT - Anti-War rally Saturday in Brooklyn will march on Hillary Clinton's Campaign HQ Bruce: For what it is worth, our Rally here last Friday against Killer Koh was also prospectively against a Clinton/Koh administration and World War 3. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: globenet at yahoogroups.com [mailto:globenet at yahoogroups.com] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 10:10 AM To: Carol Miller > Cc: GN List Serve > Subject: [globenet] Re: Why not both campaign HQ? Re: SWM-D PRESS ALERT - Anti-War rally Saturday in Brooklyn will march on Hillary Clinton's Campaign HQ I'm grateful to see anyone organizing a peace protest anywhere - especially to hold Clinton to account for her long history as a war monger Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Carol Miller Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 10:50 AM To: Global Network Cc: GN List Serve Subject: Why not both campaign HQ? Re: SWM-D PRESS ALERT - Anti-War rally Saturday in Brooklyn will march on Hillary Clinton's Campaign HQ What about the Republican candidate? Both campaigns could be protested the same day in NYC. First the peace movement disappears every election (for a year) and now what. This builds a peace movement how? A partisan peace movement guarantees more war. Remember in NM we slowed Cannon airforce plans by working with EVERYONE, not just so-called progressives. Carol > On Nov 4, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Global Network via swm-d > > wrote: > > > > From: Mitchel Cohen > > ANTI-WAR RALLY PROTESTS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES' PRO-WAR STANCE > MARCH TO HILLARY CLINTON'S CAMPAIGN HEADQUARTERS IN BROOKLYN HEIGHTS > DATE: Saturday, November 5th > TIME: 1 pm > PLACE: Brooklyn Boro Hall (steps) > > Contact: > Carolina Cositore Sitrin: #215 518 3002 > Mitchel Cohen email: info at AntiWarRally.org > > Website: http://antiwarrally.org > > Anti-war activists fed up with the pro-war stances of both major parties' > Presidential candidates will rally on Saturday, November 5, at 1 pm, on > the steps of Brooklyn Boro Hall (209 Joralemon St. at Court St.). > > They will march to Hillary Clinton's national campaign headquarters a few > blocks away on Cadman Plaza. > > Mitchel Cohen, who initiated the call for the anti-war march along with > Carolina Cositore Sitrin, said: "We are sickened by Hillary Clinton's > record of war-mongering and very dangerous policy statements in terms of > U.S. foreign policy, just as much as that of the odious Donald Trump." > > Cohen, who is an organizer with the Brooklyn Greens, a local Green Party > affiliate, and is a former Board chair of WBAI-FM radio, says he will be > voting for the Green Party candidates Jill Stein and Ajamu Baraka, but > that "all people are welcome at this anti-war rally no matter whom they > are voting for." > > Carolina Sitrin says that the protest is intended to "call attention to > Clinton's horrendous proposal to implement a No Fly Zone over Syria, which > Joint Chiefs of Staff Chair Dunford warned would put the U.S. into direct > conflict with Russian planes and escalate into nuclear war with Russia." > > Sitrin noted that the U.S. has been "encircling Russia with military bases > and nuclear weapons, and Hillary Clinton is a main proponent of that > military strategy". > > Debra Sweet, spokesperson for World Can't Wait and one of the rally's > endorsers, says that "Hillary Clinton is running on her competence to lead > a "super-predator" military currently making unjust war on seven > countries. Her support for secret operations including targeted killings > even when civilians are killed, and her threats to implement a "no-fly" > zone over Syria are similar to Clinton's actions which led to the deaths > of thousands in Kosovo and Libya. > > "We are told by both Clinton and Trump that it's in the interest of people > living in the United States to wage illegitimate, aggressive war on > hundreds of millions. But we say NO, NOT in our name." > > The rally has been endorsed by dozens of individuals and organizations, > including the Brooklyn Greens, Veterans for Peace - NY, World Can't Wait, > World Beyond War, International Action Center, Popular Resistance, U.S. > Peace Council, United National Antiwar Coalition (UNAC), Friends of Brad > Will, The Commons (Brooklyn), Raging Grannies, The Nuclear Resister, > Center for Global Justice, Free Radicals, Truth Action Project - NYC > Region, Guyanese American Workers United, Show Up! America, Ayotzinapa NY, > YoSoy132 Nueva York, Jersey City Peace Movement, and the Granny Peace > Brigade. > > Kevin Zeese, publisher of Popular Resistance, the online daily journal > which documents popular anti-war and environmental struggles across the > U.S., wrote: > > "It is important to protest Hillary Clinton now, before the election and > before she becomes president. She has a long history of supporting regime > change operations, militarism and war. She will be a dangerous president > so the movement has to act now to ensure there is #NoHoneymoon for Hillary > and her presidency is filled with protests against her war, Wall Street > and Walmart policies." > > Margaret Flowers, the Green Party candidate for United States Senate in > Maryland, added: > > "The Clinton policy that frightens me the most is her foreign policy. She > has no respect for international law or human rights and will continue to > pursue policies of hegemony and imperialism. She will continue to > antagonize Russia and China and will increase the risk of another major > war." > > Flowers, a medical doctor (as is Green Party presidential candidate Dr. > Jill Stein), points to Clinton's acceptance of the repression of Native > American protesters in North Dakota who have been non-violently attempting > to save their drinking water from contamination by preventing the Dakota > Access Pipeline from being built on their sacred lands. Flowers continues: > > "We must recognize that Clinton is a neo-liberal and a neo-con who has > successfully united the two plutocratic parties. She must not be given a > honeymoon or a pass just because she is a woman. It is critical that the > people rise up to demand that we, the people, set the political agenda to > meet our needs, not the elites." > > And Bruce Gagnon, the Coordinator of Global Network Against Weapons & > Nuclear Power in Space, points sharply to the dangers to world peace that > Clinton represents: > > "Yesterday it was reported that the US is deploying Marines to Norway's > Vaernes military base, roughly 600 miles from the Norwegian-Russian > border. > > "It was Hillary Clinton who first talked about the US 'pivot' to Asia of > 60% of Pentagon forces to encircle China and Russia. > > "It was Clinton as Secretary of State who helped put into place the coup > in Honduras and Ukraine, the war in Iraq and the take down of Libya and > Syria." > > Gagnon concludes: > > "Peace protests, especially now, are important and will need to rapidly > grow in order to stop the US march toward WW III." > > Mitchel Cohen also points to Hillary Clinton's destructive role with the > Clinton Foundation in Haiti, "which resulted in tens of millions of > dollars that American citizens had donated to assist the people of Haiti, > which were instead misappropriated and basically stolen by the Clintons." > > For further information and to read the full list of endorsers, please go > to http://AntiWarRally.org . > > > # 30 # > > > > > > > -------------- > > This is a discussion list hosted by Stop the War Machine in New Mexico. > > To join or to leave go to: > http://mailman.swcp.com/mailman/listinfo/swm-d/. > > Visit our website: http://www.stopthewarmachine.org > > This Message Sent To: carolmiller at newmexico.com __._,_.___ ________________________________ Posted by: "Boyle, Francis A" > ________________________________ Reply via web post • Reply to sender • Reply to group • Start a New Topic • Messages in this topic (2) ________________________________ [https://s.yimg.com/ru/static/images/yg/img/megaphone/1464031581_phpFA8bON] Have you tried the highest rated email app? 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 5 09:45:56 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 09:45:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Carl Schmitt School of Law in Champaign Illinois Message-ID: I hereby rename this Law School from the University of Illinois College of Law to be now called the Carl Schmitt School of Law. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt School of Law Champaign Illinois Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:43 AM To: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A ; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net; Jay Becker ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Carl G. Estabrook ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Karen Medina ; Szoke, Ron ; Mildred O'brien ; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html UI speaker part of U.S. war machine Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. KAREN ARAM Urbana Share From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Nov 5 10:18:17 2016 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 05:18:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] San Diego Catholic church says devil works through Hillary Clinton In-Reply-To: <5FC22AB3-0924-4A1D-AB0A-F293D261E417@illinois.edu> References: <201611050412.uA54Cc1d006242@relays-agent02.techservices.illinois.edu> <5FC22AB3-0924-4A1D-AB0A-F293D261E417@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <113A855F-1DF8-4A58-8D3D-EAA8C8EC3FCD@illinois.edu> Seems about right to me - it doesn’t matter too much whether you think of the devil as individual or our collective sources of evil in the world. Clinton embodies what the Nuremberg Tribunal called 'the supreme international crime': 'In the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, "War is essentially an evil thing. Its consequences are not confined to the belligerent states alone, but affect the whole world. To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole." Article 39 of the United Nations Charter provides that the UN Security Council shall determine the existence of any act of aggression and "shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security”.’ The UN Security Council’s role in preventing war was essentially undermined by Bill Clinton - urged on by Hillary - when he attacked Serbia in 1999. The devil was loose, and has accomplished what Chomsky calls “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - Obama’s drone assassinations. He’s targeted US citizens and even children (Anwar al-Awlaki’s son) and killed thousands. Of course it’s a mortal sin to vote to approve actions like that. —CGE > On Nov 4, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: ron via Yahoo! >> Subject: San Diego Catholic church says devil works through Hillary Clinton >> Date: November 4, 2016 at 11:12:38 PM CDT >> To: >> Reply-To: >> >> >> ron szoke shared this with you >> San Diego Catholic church says devil works through Hillary Clinton >> (Reuters) - A Roman Catholic church in San Diego told its parishioners the devil works through politicians like Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and warned that voting for Democrats is a "mortal sin," according to local media and the church's website. The Immaculate Conception >> Read the full story >> This email was sent to you at the request of one of our users. To learn more about Yahoo!'s use of personal information, including the use of web beacons in HTML-based email, please read our Privacy Policy. >> Yahoo! is located at 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089. >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From futureup2us at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 12:53:11 2016 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (J Becker) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 07:53:11 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Carl Schmitt School of Law in Champaign Illinois In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0AF650F5-C912-4203-9213-6541508A9D17@yahoo.com> Perfect! But now what to call Boalt Hall at Berkeley, where John Yoo is (a student of Harold Koh)? Jay > On Nov 5, 2016, at 04:45, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: > > I hereby rename this Law School from the University of Illinois College of Law to be now called the Carl Schmitt School of Law. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt School of Law > Champaign Illinois > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:43 AM > To: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net ; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com ; Levy, Stuart A >; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net ; Jay Becker >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Carl G. Estabrook >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Karen Medina >; Szoke, Ron >; Mildred O'brien >; peace at lists.chambana.net ; davegreen84 at yahoo.com ; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net ; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com ; David Swanson > > Subject: FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com > > Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Illinois Nazis Law School > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM > To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org ' > > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com > > http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html > UI speaker part of U.S. war machine > > > > > > Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette > > > I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. > > We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. > > Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. > > Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. > > > > > > Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. > > KAREN ARAM > > Urbana > > > > Share -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 5 13:22:41 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 13:22:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign Message-ID: {Just substitute Muslims for Jews. Fab, Ed Norton Professor of Law, Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign} Schmitt joined the Nazi Party on 1 May 1933.[12] Within days, Schmitt was party to the burning of books by Jewish authors, rejoicing in the burning of "un-German" and "anti-German" material, and calling for a much more extensive purge, to include works by authors influenced by Jewish ideas.[13] In July he was appointed State Councillor for Prussia (Preußischer Staatsrat) by Hermann Göring and in November he became the president of the Vereinigung nationalsozialistischer Juristen ("Union of National-Socialist Jurists"). He also replaced Hermann Heller as professor at the University of Berlin,[14] a position he would hold until the end of World War II. He presented his theories as an ideological foundation of the Nazi dictatorship, and a justification of the Führer state with regard to legal philosophy, particularly through the concept of auctoritas. [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Wohnhaus_1971-1985.jpeg/440px-Wohnhaus_1971-1985.jpeg] "San Casciano", home of Carl Schmitt in Plettenberg-Pasel from 1971 until 1985. Six months later, in June 1934, Schmitt was appointed editor-in-chief of the Nazi newspaper for lawyers, the Deutsche Juristen-Zeitung ("German Jurists' Journal").[15] In July he published in it "The Leader Protects the Law (Der Führer schützt das Recht)", a justification of the political murders of the Night of the Long Knives with the authority of Hitler as the "highest form of administrative justice (höchste Form administrativer Justiz)".[16] Schmitt presented himself as a radical anti-semite and also was the chairman of a law teachers' convention in Berlin during October 1936,[17] where he demanded that German law be cleansed of the "Jewish spirit (jüdischem Geist)", going so far as to demand that all publications by Jewish scientists should henceforth be marked with a small symbol. [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Grabstein_Carl_Schmitts.jpeg/440px-Grabstein_Carl_Schmitts.jpeg] Tombstone of Carl Schmitt, catholic cemetery, Plettenberg-Eiringhausen. Nevertheless, in December 1936, the SS publication Das schwarze Korps accused Schmitt of being an opportunist, a Hegelian state thinker, and basically a Catholic, and called his anti-semitism a mere pretense, citing earlier statements in which he criticized the Nazis' racial theories. After this, Schmitt resigned from his position as "Reichsfachgruppenleiter" (Reich Professional Group Leader), although he retained his job as a professor in Berlin and his title "Preußischer Staatsrat". Although Schmitt continued to be investigated into 1937, further reprisals were stopped by Göring.[18][19] Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: J Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:53 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: Re: The Carl Schmitt School of Law in Champaign Illinois Perfect! But now what to call Boalt Hall at Berkeley, where John Yoo is (a student of Harold Koh)? Jay On Nov 5, 2016, at 04:45, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: I hereby rename this Law School from the University of Illinois College of Law to be now called the Carl Schmitt School of Law. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt School of Law Champaign Illinois Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:43 AM To: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net; Jay Becker >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Carl G. Estabrook >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Karen Medina >; Szoke, Ron >; Mildred O'brien >; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html UI speaker part of U.S. war machine Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. KAREN ARAM Urbana Share -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 17703 bytes Desc: image005.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image006.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 45004 bytes Desc: image006.jpg URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 13:31:16 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 13:31:16 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Walking Dead" Message-ID: "Walking Dead" fans: Last night I watched Ep.1 of Season 7, and asked myself why? Why do I torture myself watching a program that regularly knocks off favorite characters, now deteriorating to nothing but blood, gore and horror. It did at one time, have worthwhile scenario's of people coming together in groups and dealing with issues that challenged their humanity, but now it's gone beyond that which is bearable. I was angry given I can see the horror of victims loved ones on the news, I don't need to see it falsely presented. On the other hand it occurred to me that perhaps the writers were attempting to recreate that which the US has been responsible for committing for years now. That of slaughtering families with drones and bombs. We have a major candidate running for the highest office in the land who is responsible for the deaths of thousands, with images of her laughing and joking over the butchering of a nations leader in a land that we've destroyed. Ep. 2 of season 7 then takes us to a community where one character refers to it as, "a playland, due to the inhabitants going about their daily lives in ignorance of reality outside their doors. So how does real life really differ from that portrayed in Hollywood? Are we all being numbed by the violence, violence being played out on our own streets as our militarization is brought home, do we just continue to allow our government and their allies Saudi Arabia and Israel to behave as the insane killers in our favorite tv series, who don't just slaughter a couple favorite characters to our horror, but thousands of people across the world? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 14:00:12 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 14:00:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] San Diego Catholic church says devil works through Hillary Clinton In-Reply-To: <113A855F-1DF8-4A58-8D3D-EAA8C8EC3FCD@illinois.edu> References: <201611050412.uA54Cc1d006242@relays-agent02.techservices.illinois.edu> <5FC22AB3-0924-4A1D-AB0A-F293D261E417@illinois.edu> <113A855F-1DF8-4A58-8D3D-EAA8C8EC3FCD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I couldn’t agree more with your assessment Carl. > On Nov 5, 2016, at 03:18, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Seems about right to me - it doesn’t matter too much whether you think of the devil as individual or our collective sources of evil in the world. > > Clinton embodies what the Nuremberg Tribunal called 'the supreme international crime': > > 'In the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, "War is essentially an evil thing. Its consequences are not confined to the belligerent states alone, but affect the whole world. To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole." Article 39 of the United Nations Charter provides that the UN Security Council shall determine the existence of any act of aggression and "shall make recommendations, or decide what measures shall be taken in accordance with Articles 41 and 42, to maintain or restore international peace and security”.’ > > The UN Security Council’s role in preventing war was essentially undermined by Bill Clinton - urged on by Hillary - when he attacked Serbia in 1999. The devil was loose, and has accomplished what Chomsky calls “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - Obama’s drone assassinations. He’s targeted US citizens and even children (Anwar al-Awlaki’s son) and killed thousands. > > Of course it’s a mortal sin to vote to approve actions like that. —CGE > > >> On Nov 4, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> From: ron via Yahoo! >>> Subject: San Diego Catholic church says devil works through Hillary Clinton >>> Date: November 4, 2016 at 11:12:38 PM CDT >>> To: >>> Reply-To: >>> >>> >>> ron szoke shared this with you >>> San Diego Catholic church says devil works through Hillary Clinton >>> (Reuters) - A Roman Catholic church in San Diego told its parishioners the devil works through politicians like Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and warned that voting for Democrats is a "mortal sin," according to local media and the church's website. The Immaculate Conception >>> Read the full story >>> This email was sent to you at the request of one of our users. To learn more about Yahoo!'s use of personal information, including the use of web beacons in HTML-based email, please read our Privacy Policy. >>> Yahoo! is located at 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089. >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 5 14:09:35 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 14:09:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? Message-ID: I don't know Jay. How about if we rename Boalt Hall Law at UCal. Berkeley The George W. Bush College of Law? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman I. Way to go Berkeley Law! Deeming Yourselves above The Law Your Dean Frank Newman now crying in Heaven Berkeley Law can go to Hell! Accessories After The Fact to torture, murder and war crimes Law Prof Carl Schmitt would be proud of You All The Nazis had Their Law Schools too Replete with John Yoo RIP Berkeley Law Into the Ashcan of History You All go Good Riddance to Cal's Neo-Nazi Rubbish!. II. American Law Professors What have we become? American Law Professors for torture! American Law Professors for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts! American Law Professors for indefinite detention! American Law Professors for spying! American Law Professors for drone strikes! American Law Professors for murder! American Law Professors for assassinations! American Law Professors for war crimes! American Law Professors for crimes against humanity! American Law Professors for genocide! American Law Professors for wars of aggression! American Law Professors for murdering US citizens! American Law Professors for murder courts! American Law Professors for trashing the US Constitution! American Law Professors for trashing the Bill of Rights! American Law Professors for trashing International Law! American Law Professors for trashing Human Rights! How much lower can American Law Professors sink Into this criminal shit Of Neo-Nazi Legal Nihilism? The Nazis had their Law Professors too The worst of the bunch was Carl Schmitt And now we have: American Law Professors For Carl Schmitt too! Arabs and Muslims Have become American Law Professors' New Jews And now at Berkeley Law too With Chaired John Yoo Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include Foundations of World Order (Duke University Press: 1999) and Tackling America's Toughest Questions (2009). His most recent book is United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. This is his poem "Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman." Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: J Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:53 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: Re: The Carl Schmitt School of Law in Champaign Illinois Perfect! But now what to call Boalt Hall at Berkeley, where John Yoo is (a student of Harold Koh)? Jay On Nov 5, 2016, at 04:45, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: I hereby rename this Law School from the University of Illinois College of Law to be now called the Carl Schmitt School of Law. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt School of Law Champaign Illinois Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:43 AM To: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net; Jay Becker >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Carl G. Estabrook >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Karen Medina >; Szoke, Ron >; Mildred O'brien >; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html UI speaker part of U.S. war machine Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. KAREN ARAM Urbana Share -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 5 15:09:06 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 15:09:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? Message-ID: Good Riddance to Cal's Neo-Nazi Rubbish!---------------------------------------------------------- And Good Riddance to the Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign! Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:10 AM To: 'J Becker' Cc: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? I don't know Jay. How about if we rename Boalt Hall Law at UCal. Berkeley The George W. Bush College of Law? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman I. Way to go Berkeley Law! Deeming Yourselves above The Law Your Dean Frank Newman now crying in Heaven Berkeley Law can go to Hell! Accessories After The Fact to torture, murder and war crimes Law Prof Carl Schmitt would be proud of You All The Nazis had Their Law Schools too Replete with John Yoo RIP Berkeley Law Into the Ashcan of History You All go Good Riddance to Cal's Neo-Nazi Rubbish!. II. American Law Professors What have we become? American Law Professors for torture! American Law Professors for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts! American Law Professors for indefinite detention! American Law Professors for spying! American Law Professors for drone strikes! American Law Professors for murder! American Law Professors for assassinations! American Law Professors for war crimes! American Law Professors for crimes against humanity! American Law Professors for genocide! American Law Professors for wars of aggression! American Law Professors for murdering US citizens! American Law Professors for murder courts! American Law Professors for trashing the US Constitution! American Law Professors for trashing the Bill of Rights! American Law Professors for trashing International Law! American Law Professors for trashing Human Rights! How much lower can American Law Professors sink Into this criminal shit Of Neo-Nazi Legal Nihilism? The Nazis had their Law Professors too The worst of the bunch was Carl Schmitt And now we have: American Law Professors For Carl Schmitt too! Arabs and Muslims Have become American Law Professors' New Jews And now at Berkeley Law too With Chaired John Yoo Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include Foundations of World Order (Duke University Press: 1999) and Tackling America's Toughest Questions (2009). His most recent book is United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. This is his poem "Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman." Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: J Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:53 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: The Carl Schmitt School of Law in Champaign Illinois Perfect! But now what to call Boalt Hall at Berkeley, where John Yoo is (a student of Harold Koh)? Jay On Nov 5, 2016, at 04:45, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: I hereby rename this Law School from the University of Illinois College of Law to be now called the Carl Schmitt School of Law. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt School of Law Champaign Illinois Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:43 AM To: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net; Jay Becker >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Carl G. Estabrook >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Karen Medina >; Szoke, Ron >; Mildred O'brien >; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html UI speaker part of U.S. war machine Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. KAREN ARAM Urbana Share -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 5 17:05:19 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 17:05:19 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley! Message-ID: Come to think of it Jay, how about if we call Boalt Hall the Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley. Did not Yoo once justify crushing a kid's testicles or something like that? Then the Nazi Cal Faculty there gave him their Most Prestigious Chair. Just a Gang of Nazis there like Here. fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law in Champaign Illinois. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:09 AM To: J Becker Cc: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: RE: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? Good Riddance to Cal's Neo-Nazi Rubbish!---------------------------------------------------------- And Good Riddance to the Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign! Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:10 AM To: 'J Becker' > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? I don't know Jay. How about if we rename Boalt Hall Law at UCal. Berkeley The George W. Bush College of Law? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman I. Way to go Berkeley Law! Deeming Yourselves above The Law Your Dean Frank Newman now crying in Heaven Berkeley Law can go to Hell! Accessories After The Fact to torture, murder and war crimes Law Prof Carl Schmitt would be proud of You All The Nazis had Their Law Schools too Replete with John Yoo RIP Berkeley Law Into the Ashcan of History You All go Good Riddance to Cal's Neo-Nazi Rubbish!. II. American Law Professors What have we become? American Law Professors for torture! American Law Professors for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts! American Law Professors for indefinite detention! American Law Professors for spying! American Law Professors for drone strikes! American Law Professors for murder! American Law Professors for assassinations! American Law Professors for war crimes! American Law Professors for crimes against humanity! American Law Professors for genocide! American Law Professors for wars of aggression! American Law Professors for murdering US citizens! American Law Professors for murder courts! American Law Professors for trashing the US Constitution! American Law Professors for trashing the Bill of Rights! American Law Professors for trashing International Law! American Law Professors for trashing Human Rights! How much lower can American Law Professors sink Into this criminal shit Of Neo-Nazi Legal Nihilism? The Nazis had their Law Professors too The worst of the bunch was Carl Schmitt And now we have: American Law Professors For Carl Schmitt too! Arabs and Muslims Have become American Law Professors' New Jews And now at Berkeley Law too With Chaired John Yoo Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include Foundations of World Order (Duke University Press: 1999) and Tackling America's Toughest Questions (2009). His most recent book is United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. This is his poem "Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman." Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: J Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:53 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: The Carl Schmitt School of Law in Champaign Illinois Perfect! But now what to call Boalt Hall at Berkeley, where John Yoo is (a student of Harold Koh)? Jay On Nov 5, 2016, at 04:45, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: I hereby rename this Law School from the University of Illinois College of Law to be now called the Carl Schmitt School of Law. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt School of Law Champaign Illinois Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:43 AM To: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net; Jay Becker >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Carl G. Estabrook >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Karen Medina >; Szoke, Ron >; Mildred O'brien >; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html UI speaker part of U.S. war machine Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. KAREN ARAM Urbana Share -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 5 18:16:42 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2016 18:16:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And you are correct about Yoo and Killer Koh. According to Killer Koh's former Yale Law Student who is now a Law Professor in his own right, Killer Koh is proud of the fact that he was a "mentor" to John Yoo at Yale Law School. Yoo is A Chip Off Of The Old War Criminal's Block-- Killer Koh having worked for Reagan at the exact same Department of Injustice, Office of Legal Counsel before Yoo did, starting in 1983 to 1985, justifying every hideous atrocity that Reagan inflicted on international law, human rights, and the United States Constitution. Just like Yoo would do for Bush Jr. And then Killer Koh would do it again for Clinton/Obama. I fully explained this to the Nazi Law Faculty here in the early summer of 2015. Made no difference to them. Indeed, that is why they invited Killer Koh to come out here in order to Campaign for Yale Law Clinton to get elected President on Tuesday. Indeed, in September of 2015, our Yale Law Dean Ammar made it perfectly and repeatedly clear to me in his office that he was going to invite out speakers that he knew I was going to vigorously object to. And I repeatedly reserved my Right to Protest-which we all did last Friday. Thanks to everyone for being there. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:05 PM To: J Becker Cc: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley! Come to think of it Jay, how about if we call Boalt Hall the Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley. Did not Yoo once justify crushing a kid's testicles or something like that? Then the Nazi Cal Faculty there gave him their Most Prestigious Chair. Just a Gang of Nazis there like Here. fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law in Champaign Illinois. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:09 AM To: J Becker > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: RE: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? Good Riddance to Cal's Neo-Nazi Rubbish!---------------------------------------------------------- And Good Riddance to the Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign! Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:10 AM To: 'J Becker' > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? I don't know Jay. How about if we rename Boalt Hall Law at UCal. Berkeley The George W. Bush College of Law? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman I. Way to go Berkeley Law! Deeming Yourselves above The Law Your Dean Frank Newman now crying in Heaven Berkeley Law can go to Hell! Accessories After The Fact to torture, murder and war crimes Law Prof Carl Schmitt would be proud of You All The Nazis had Their Law Schools too Replete with John Yoo RIP Berkeley Law Into the Ashcan of History You All go Good Riddance to Cal's Neo-Nazi Rubbish!. II. American Law Professors What have we become? American Law Professors for torture! American Law Professors for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts! American Law Professors for indefinite detention! American Law Professors for spying! American Law Professors for drone strikes! American Law Professors for murder! American Law Professors for assassinations! American Law Professors for war crimes! American Law Professors for crimes against humanity! American Law Professors for genocide! American Law Professors for wars of aggression! American Law Professors for murdering US citizens! American Law Professors for murder courts! American Law Professors for trashing the US Constitution! American Law Professors for trashing the Bill of Rights! American Law Professors for trashing International Law! American Law Professors for trashing Human Rights! How much lower can American Law Professors sink Into this criminal shit Of Neo-Nazi Legal Nihilism? The Nazis had their Law Professors too The worst of the bunch was Carl Schmitt And now we have: American Law Professors For Carl Schmitt too! Arabs and Muslims Have become American Law Professors' New Jews And now at Berkeley Law too With Chaired John Yoo Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include Foundations of World Order (Duke University Press: 1999) and Tackling America's Toughest Questions (2009). His most recent book is United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. This is his poem "Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman." Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: J Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:53 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: The Carl Schmitt School of Law in Champaign Illinois Perfect! But now what to call Boalt Hall at Berkeley, where John Yoo is (a student of Harold Koh)? Jay On Nov 5, 2016, at 04:45, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: I hereby rename this Law School from the University of Illinois College of Law to be now called the Carl Schmitt School of Law. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt School of Law Champaign Illinois Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:43 AM To: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net; Jay Becker >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Carl G. Estabrook >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Karen Medina >; Szoke, Ron >; Mildred O'brien >; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html UI speaker part of U.S. war machine Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. KAREN ARAM Urbana Share -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 6 01:37:34 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 01:37:34 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Yale Law Mafia Dean Amar at Carl Schmitt College of Law Message-ID: Indeed, in September of 2015, our Yale Law Dean Ammar made it perfectly and repeatedly clear to me in his office that he was going to invite out speakers that he knew I was going to vigorously object to. ------------------------------------ At the time we both knew he was referring to Killer Koh. Isn't that pathetic? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 1:17 PM To: J Becker Cc: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: RE: Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley! And you are correct about Yoo and Killer Koh. According to Killer Koh's former Yale Law Student who is now a Law Professor in his own right, Killer Koh is proud of the fact that he was a "mentor" to John Yoo at Yale Law School. Yoo is A Chip Off Of The Old War Criminal's Block-- Killer Koh having worked for Reagan at the exact same Department of Injustice, Office of Legal Counsel before Yoo did, starting in 1983 to 1985, justifying every hideous atrocity that Reagan inflicted on international law, human rights, and the United States Constitution. Just like Yoo would do for Bush Jr. And then Killer Koh would do it again for Clinton/Obama. I fully explained this to the Nazi Law Faculty here in the early summer of 2015. Made no difference to them. Indeed, that is why they invited Killer Koh to come out here in order to Campaign for Yale Law Clinton to get elected President on Tuesday. Indeed, in September of 2015, our Yale Law Dean Ammar made it perfectly and repeatedly clear to me in his office that he was going to invite out speakers that he knew I was going to vigorously object to. And I repeatedly reserved my Right to Protest-which we all did last Friday. Thanks to everyone for being there. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:05 PM To: J Becker > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley! Come to think of it Jay, how about if we call Boalt Hall the Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley. Did not Yoo once justify crushing a kid's testicles or something like that? Then the Nazi Cal Faculty there gave him their Most Prestigious Chair. Just a Gang of Nazis there like Here. fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law in Champaign Illinois. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:09 AM To: J Becker > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: RE: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? Good Riddance to Cal's Neo-Nazi Rubbish!---------------------------------------------------------- And Good Riddance to the Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign! Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:10 AM To: 'J Becker' > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? I don't know Jay. How about if we rename Boalt Hall Law at UCal. Berkeley The George W. Bush College of Law? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman I. Way to go Berkeley Law! Deeming Yourselves above The Law Your Dean Frank Newman now crying in Heaven Berkeley Law can go to Hell! Accessories After The Fact to torture, murder and war crimes Law Prof Carl Schmitt would be proud of You All The Nazis had Their Law Schools too Replete with John Yoo RIP Berkeley Law Into the Ashcan of History You All go Good Riddance to Cal's Neo-Nazi Rubbish!. II. American Law Professors What have we become? American Law Professors for torture! American Law Professors for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts! American Law Professors for indefinite detention! American Law Professors for spying! American Law Professors for drone strikes! American Law Professors for murder! American Law Professors for assassinations! American Law Professors for war crimes! American Law Professors for crimes against humanity! American Law Professors for genocide! American Law Professors for wars of aggression! American Law Professors for murdering US citizens! American Law Professors for murder courts! American Law Professors for trashing the US Constitution! American Law Professors for trashing the Bill of Rights! American Law Professors for trashing International Law! American Law Professors for trashing Human Rights! How much lower can American Law Professors sink Into this criminal shit Of Neo-Nazi Legal Nihilism? The Nazis had their Law Professors too The worst of the bunch was Carl Schmitt And now we have: American Law Professors For Carl Schmitt too! Arabs and Muslims Have become American Law Professors' New Jews And now at Berkeley Law too With Chaired John Yoo Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include Foundations of World Order (Duke University Press: 1999) and Tackling America's Toughest Questions (2009). His most recent book is United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. This is his poem "Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman." Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: J Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:53 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: The Carl Schmitt School of Law in Champaign Illinois Perfect! But now what to call Boalt Hall at Berkeley, where John Yoo is (a student of Harold Koh)? Jay On Nov 5, 2016, at 04:45, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: I hereby rename this Law School from the University of Illinois College of Law to be now called the Carl Schmitt School of Law. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt School of Law Champaign Illinois Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:43 AM To: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net; Jay Becker >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Carl G. Estabrook >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Karen Medina >; Szoke, Ron >; Mildred O'brien >; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html UI speaker part of U.S. war machine Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. KAREN ARAM Urbana Share -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Nov 6 12:51:57 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 12:51:57 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [New post] Patani: NGOs, Civil Society Groups, and the National Human Rights Commission back Thai state repression References: <61854989.1570.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: "The experience of the IRA struggle against the British state or the struggle of other minority separatist movements shows that the demands for freedom cannot be won through armed struggle but must be achieved through political means.” New post on Uglytruth-Thailand [http://s0.wp.com/i/emails/blavatar.png] [http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/b94c98491e599510a5ec039e64af3261?s=50&d=identicon&r=G] Patani: NGOs, Civil Society Groups, and the National Human Rights Commission back Thai state repression by uglytruththailand Giles Ji Ungpakorn Recently there was another bomb attack at a market and a shooting outside an educational establishment in Patani. Who should take responsibility? Who should be condemned? And in this war between the oppressive Thai state and those fighting for self-determination, which side should we support? The NGOs and those claiming to be so-called “civil society” groups in the South are quite clear. They issued a declaration condemning the Patani fighters and urging the forces of the Thai state to catch and deal with the perpetrators. They also urged the insurgents to stop using violence. [img] There were no declarations from these groups urging the military junta and the Thai state to cease violence against the local Malay Muslims, no condemnations of Thailand’s violent occupation of Patani and no urgent requests that all the generals, politicians, soldiers and police who have committed state crimes be brought to justice. Another group, calling itself the National Human Rights Commission, condemned the insurgents and urged support for state forces of “law and order”. This commission remained silent after the killing of unarmed red shirts in 2010 and has failed to condemn the use of lèse-majesté. So the NGOs, so-called “civil society” groups, including civil servant associations, and the National Human Rights Commission, all show double standards and take the side of the oppressive Thai state in Patani. Arundhati Roy once wrote that “any government's condemnation of terrorism is only credible if it shows itself to be responsive to persistent, reasonable, closely argued, non-violent dissent. And yet, what's happening is just the opposite. The world over, non-violent resistance movements are being crushed and broken. If we do not respect and honour them, by default we privilege those who turn to violent means.” The people of Patani are prevented from forming legal political parties which advocate independence. The Thai constitution rules out any division of the country. Various members of the ruling class have repeatedly dismissed any ideas of autonomy or even proposals to use the Yawee language alongside Thai in Patani. State officials commit acts of violence with total impunity. All Thai citizens are forced to respect the authoritarian ideology of “Nation, Religion and Monarchy” and those who do not are thrown in jail or witch-hunted by mobs of fanatical monarchists. Naturally the “religion” in this context is Buddhism. [10511093_945236505558179_2265417403833671613_n] [%e0%b8%95%e0%b8%b2%e0%b8%81%e0%b9%83%e0%b8%9a-2] The peaceful protest against the detention of friends and relatives, organised by villagers at Takbai 12 years ago, resulted in the state murder in cold blood of nearly a hundred young men. No single state official has been prosecuted. Torture and extra judiciary killings carried out by the Thai state are commonplace and any genuine rights organisations seeking to expose this are threatened by the military. So how are those people who oppose Thai rule and repression, supposed to act in a non-violent manner? What space for them to act in such non-violent ways has been created by the NGOs and so-called civil society groups who backed various military coups? A quick review of some historical events shows the way in which the Thai state has used violence and repression against the Muslim Malays of Patani. 1890s King Chulalongkorn (Rama 5) seized half of the Patani Sultanate. The Sultanate was divided between London and Bangkok under the Treaty of 1909. 1921 Enforced “Siamification” via primary education took place. Locals forced to pay tax to Bangkok. 1923 The Belukar Semak rebellion forced King Rama 6 to make some concessions to local culture. 1938 More enforced “Siamification” took place under the ultra-nationalist dictator Field Marshall Pibun. 1946 Prime Minister Pridi Panomyong promoted local culture and in 1947 accepted demands by Muslim religious leaders for a form of autonomy, but he was soon driven from power by a coup led by Thai nationalist military leaders. Patani leader Haji Sulong proposed an autonomous state for Patani within Siam. 1948 Haji Sulong was arrested. In April the same year, police massacred innocent villagers at Dusun Nyior, Naratiwat. 1954 Haji Sulong was killed by police under orders from police strongman Pao Siyanond. 1960-1970 Thai state policy of “diluting” the Malay population was initiated by re-settling Thai-Lao Buddhists from the North East of Thailand in the Patani area. This was carried out under various military regimes, starting with Field Marshall Sarit Tanarat. A ban was imposed on the use of the Yawee Malay language in state institutions including schools. The school and education system has long been used to enforce “Thainess” by the state. Given this fact, it is hardly surprising that government teachers are targets for the insurgents. Even Buddhist monks in Patani are now totally compromised by their close links with the military. [091208_mccargo] For this reason we must be clear that the violence in Patani is the responsibility of the Thai state and it is this state which should be condemned for its actions. The violence of those fighting oppression cannot be compared to the violence carried out by an oppressive state. We should therefore side with the people who are struggling for self-determination. [12744275_1720991521448066_4919859868376036493_n] Despite the fact that I support those fighting for self-determination, the insurgent armed struggle strategy prevents the building of mass political movements for freedom. It shuts out the role of ordinary people because of the civil war conditions and often results in the death and injury of innocent civilians. Using “ghosts” to attack the Thai security forces and then not claiming responsibility might have some military advantages, but such advantages are massively out-weighed by the political disadvantages. By not claiming responsibility for attacks on “legitimate military targets” and by not confining attacks to such targets, the insurgents allow the Thai military to use death-squads, usually out of uniform, to attack and kill local activists and ordinary civilians who are on government black-lists. The government and mainstream media can then paint a picture of the insurgents as “armed gangsters” who kill people indiscriminately. This spreads fear among the local civilian population and is counter-productive to building real mass support among local villagers and also among the general Thai population in other regions. The ghost war strategy plays into the hands of the Thai state’s dirty war. The Patani insurgents cannot hope to beat the Thai military in an armed struggle. They are significantly less well armed and funded and the local population which might support the insurgency is a small minority of the population within the current Thai state. [12461738351246174435l] To make any political progress towards liberation and self-determination, the Patani movement needs to abandon the armed struggle and build a mass political party which can operate openly without registering as an official party under Thai state legal constraints. This party should put forward political demands which go beyond just “Patani nationalism”. The party would have to address economic and social issues and be capable of winning support from local Thai Buddhists and also capable of winning solidarity from social movements in the central, north and north-eastern regions of Thailand. The experience of the IRA struggle against the British state or the struggle of other minority separatist movements shows that the demands for freedom cannot be won through armed struggle but must be achieved through political means. uglytruththailand | November 6, 2016 at 9:22 am | Tags: civil society, Giles Ji Ungpakorn, Military Dictatorship, NGOs, Patani, Thai politics | Categories: Thai politics | URL: http://wp.me/p4bxj7-pk Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from Uglytruth-Thailand. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. Trouble clicking? 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Jay > On Nov 5, 2016, at 20:37, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Indeed, in September of 2015, our Yale Law Dean Ammar made it perfectly and repeatedly clear to me in his office that he was going to invite out speakers that he knew I was going to vigorously object to. > ------------------------------------ > At the time we both knew he was referring to Killer Koh. Isn’t that pathetic? > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 1:17 PM > To: J Becker > > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net ; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com ; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net ; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net ; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com ; David Swanson > > Subject: RE: Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley! > > And you are correct about Yoo and Killer Koh. According to Killer Koh’s former Yale Law Student who is now a Law Professor in his own right, Killer Koh is proud of the fact that he was a “mentor” to John Yoo at Yale Law School. Yoo is A Chip Off Of The Old War Criminal’s Block-- Killer Koh having worked for Reagan at the exact same Department of Injustice, Office of Legal Counsel before Yoo did, starting in 1983 to 1985, justifying every hideous atrocity that Reagan inflicted on international law, human rights, and the United States Constitution. Just like Yoo would do for Bush Jr. And then Killer Koh would do it again for Clinton/Obama. I fully explained this to the Nazi Law Faculty here in the early summer of 2015. Made no difference to them. Indeed, that is why they invited Killer Koh to come out here in order to Campaign for Yale Law Clinton to get elected President on Tuesday. Indeed, in September of 2015, our Yale Law Dean Ammar made it perfectly and repeatedly clear to me in his office that he was going to invite out speakers that he knew I was going to vigorously object to. And I repeatedly reserved my Right to Protest—which we all did last Friday. Thanks to everyone for being there. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:05 PM > To: J Becker > > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net ; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com ; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net ; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net ; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com ; David Swanson > > Subject: Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley! > > Come to think of it Jay, how about if we call Boalt Hall the Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley. Did not Yoo once justify crushing a kid’s testicles or something like that? Then the Nazi Cal Faculty there gave him their Most Prestigious Chair. Just a Gang of Nazis there like Here. > fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law in Champaign Illinois. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:09 AM > To: J Becker > > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net ; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com ; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net ; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net ; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com ; David Swanson > > Subject: RE: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? > > Good Riddance to Cal’s Neo-Nazi Rubbish!---------------------------------------------------------- > And Good Riddance to the Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign! > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:10 AM > To: 'J Becker' > > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net ; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com ; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net ; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net ; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com ; David Swanson > > Subject: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? > > I don’t know Jay. How about if we rename Boalt Hall Law at UCal. Berkeley The George W. Bush College of Law? > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign > Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman > I. > Way to go Berkeley Law! > Deeming Yourselves above The Law > Your Dean Frank Newman now crying in Heaven > Berkeley Law can go to Hell! > Accessories After The Fact to torture, murder and war crimes > Law Prof Carl Schmitt would be proud of You All > The Nazis had Their Law Schools too > Replete with John Yoo > RIP Berkeley Law > Into the Ashcan of History You All go > Good Riddance to Cal’s Neo-Nazi Rubbish!. > II. > American Law Professors > What have we become? > American Law Professors for torture! > American Law Professors for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts! > American Law Professors for indefinite detention! > American Law Professors for spying! > American Law Professors for drone strikes! > American Law Professors for murder! > American Law Professors for assassinations! > American Law Professors for war crimes! > American Law Professors for crimes against humanity! > American Law Professors for genocide! > American Law Professors for wars of aggression! > American Law Professors for murdering US citizens! > American Law Professors for murder courts! > American Law Professors for trashing the US Constitution! > American Law Professors for trashing the Bill of Rights! > American Law Professors for trashing International Law! > American Law Professors for trashing Human Rights! > How much lower can American Law Professors sink > Into this criminal shit > Of Neo-Nazi Legal Nihilism? > The Nazis had their Law Professors too > The worst of the bunch was Carl Schmitt > And now we have: American Law Professors > For Carl Schmitt too! > Arabs and Muslims > Have become > American Law Professors’ > New Jews > And now at Berkeley Law too > With Chaired John Yoo > Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include Foundations of World Order (Duke University Press: 1999) and Tackling America’s Toughest Questions (2009). His most recent book is United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law . This is his poem “Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman.” > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: J Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com ] > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:53 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net ; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com ; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net ; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net ; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com ; David Swanson > > Subject: Re: The Carl Schmitt School of Law in Champaign Illinois > > Perfect! > But now what to call Boalt Hall at Berkeley, where John Yoo is (a student of Harold Koh)? > > Jay > > On Nov 5, 2016, at 04:45, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: > > I hereby rename this Law School from the University of Illinois College of Law to be now called the Carl Schmitt School of Law. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt School of Law > Champaign Illinois > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:43 AM > To: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net ; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com ; Levy, Stuart A >; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net ; Jay Becker >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Carl G. Estabrook >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Karen Medina >; Szoke, Ron >; Mildred O'brien >; peace at lists.chambana.net ; davegreen84 at yahoo.com ; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net ; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com ; David Swanson > > Subject: FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com > > Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Illinois Nazis Law School > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM > To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org ' > > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com > > http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html > UI speaker part of U.S. war machine > > > > > > Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette > > > I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. > > We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. > > Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. > > Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. > > > > > > Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. > > KAREN ARAM > > Urbana > > > > Share -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 6 13:42:27 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 13:42:27 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Yale Law Mafia Dean Amar at Carl Schmitt College of Law In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Jay. Great to see. Yeah, every time Dennis Bernstein interviews me out there I give a shout-out condemning the Nazi Faculty at the Marquis de Sade Law School at U/Cal Berkeley who awarded Yoo their most prestigious “chair”. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:25 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: Re: Yale Law Mafia Dean Amar at Carl Schmitt College of Law This is heartening! Good coverage of a World Can’t Wait + friends protest of John Yoo at the George W. Bush College of Law (aka Boalt Hall, Berkeley) from the SF Bay Area “Indybay” News: University of California Continues to Shelter War Criminal Professor with an impressive list of links to past reporting! Wishing you all a relaxing Sunday before….Tuesday. Jay On Nov 5, 2016, at 20:37, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Indeed, in September of 2015, our Yale Law Dean Ammar made it perfectly and repeatedly clear to me in his office that he was going to invite out speakers that he knew I was going to vigorously object to. ------------------------------------ At the time we both knew he was referring to Killer Koh. Isn’t that pathetic? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 1:17 PM To: J Becker > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: RE: Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley! And you are correct about Yoo and Killer Koh. According to Killer Koh’s former Yale Law Student who is now a Law Professor in his own right, Killer Koh is proud of the fact that he was a “mentor” to John Yoo at Yale Law School. Yoo is A Chip Off Of The Old War Criminal’s Block-- Killer Koh having worked for Reagan at the exact same Department of Injustice, Office of Legal Counsel before Yoo did, starting in 1983 to 1985, justifying every hideous atrocity that Reagan inflicted on international law, human rights, and the United States Constitution. Just like Yoo would do for Bush Jr. And then Killer Koh would do it again for Clinton/Obama. I fully explained this to the Nazi Law Faculty here in the early summer of 2015. Made no difference to them. Indeed, that is why they invited Killer Koh to come out here in order to Campaign for Yale Law Clinton to get elected President on Tuesday. Indeed, in September of 2015, our Yale Law Dean Ammar made it perfectly and repeatedly clear to me in his office that he was going to invite out speakers that he knew I was going to vigorously object to. And I repeatedly reserved my Right to Protest—which we all did last Friday. Thanks to everyone for being there. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:05 PM To: J Becker > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley! Come to think of it Jay, how about if we call Boalt Hall the Marquis De Sade College of Law at UCal Berkeley. Did not Yoo once justify crushing a kid’s testicles or something like that? Then the Nazi Cal Faculty there gave him their Most Prestigious Chair. Just a Gang of Nazis there like Here. fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law in Champaign Illinois. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:09 AM To: J Becker > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: RE: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? Good Riddance to Cal’s Neo-Nazi Rubbish!---------------------------------------------------------- And Good Riddance to the Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign! Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 9:10 AM To: 'J Becker' > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: The George W. Bush College of Law at U.Cal Berkeley? I don’t know Jay. How about if we rename Boalt Hall Law at UCal. Berkeley The George W. Bush College of Law? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law at the University of Illinois in Champaign Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman I. Way to go Berkeley Law! Deeming Yourselves above The Law Your Dean Frank Newman now crying in Heaven Berkeley Law can go to Hell! Accessories After The Fact to torture, murder and war crimes Law Prof Carl Schmitt would be proud of You All The Nazis had Their Law Schools too Replete with John Yoo RIP Berkeley Law Into the Ashcan of History You All go Good Riddance to Cal’s Neo-Nazi Rubbish!. II. American Law Professors What have we become? American Law Professors for torture! American Law Professors for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts! American Law Professors for indefinite detention! American Law Professors for spying! American Law Professors for drone strikes! American Law Professors for murder! American Law Professors for assassinations! American Law Professors for war crimes! American Law Professors for crimes against humanity! American Law Professors for genocide! American Law Professors for wars of aggression! American Law Professors for murdering US citizens! American Law Professors for murder courts! American Law Professors for trashing the US Constitution! American Law Professors for trashing the Bill of Rights! American Law Professors for trashing International Law! American Law Professors for trashing Human Rights! How much lower can American Law Professors sink Into this criminal shit Of Neo-Nazi Legal Nihilism? The Nazis had their Law Professors too The worst of the bunch was Carl Schmitt And now we have: American Law Professors For Carl Schmitt too! Arabs and Muslims Have become American Law Professors’ New Jews And now at Berkeley Law too With Chaired John Yoo Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law. His books include Foundations of World Order (Duke University Press: 1999) and Tackling America’s Toughest Questions (2009). His most recent book is United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. This is his poem “Ode to My Colleague and Friend Frank Newman.” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: J Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 7:53 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; peace at lists.chambana.net; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: The Carl Schmitt School of Law in Champaign Illinois Perfect! But now what to call Boalt Hall at Berkeley, where John Yoo is (a student of Harold Koh)? Jay On Nov 5, 2016, at 04:45, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: I hereby rename this Law School from the University of Illinois College of Law to be now called the Carl Schmitt School of Law. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt School of Law Champaign Illinois Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:43 AM To: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Levy, Stuart A >; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net; Jay Becker >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Carl G. Estabrook >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Karen Medina >; Szoke, Ron >; Mildred O'brien >; peace at lists.chambana.net; davegreen84 at yahoo.com; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: FW: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com Great letter. Congrats! This Nazi Law Faculty have now forfeited the legal, ethical and moral right to run a law school. Not to cause people inconvenience, but I do hope that you could circulate that speech I gave at our Rally on Friday so that everyone knows why. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Illinois Nazis Law School Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 8:37 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: UILaw speaker Killer Koh part of U.S. war machine | News-Gazette.com http://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/letters-editor/2016-11-04/ui-speaker-part-us-war-machine.html UI speaker part of U.S. war machine Fri, 11/04/2016 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette I and other members of the Champaign-Urbana peace group AWARE (Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort) are disappointed that The News-Gazette chose not to cover our demonstration at the University of Illinois College of Law on Oct. 28. But we were pleased that other local news organizations - notably Fox News Champaign - did so. We, along with Professor Francis Boyle, a law faculty member, and other local organizations (The World Can't Wait, STEM Boycotts the War Machine, WRFU World Labor Hour, Prairie Greens) were protesting the support of the Obama administration's war-making, as expressed by a speaker at the law school, Harold Koh. Koh is a lawyer, a Yale dean and professor, and former legal adviser to the State Department in the Obama administration. He was a member of the Reagan and Clinton administrations and is a strong supporter of Obama's drone assassinations. Koh is expected to be appointed to a position in a Hillary Clinton administration, for his support of her war-making. Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Barack Obama is making war around the world. He has killed thousands with drone assassinations - for which he is reported to choose the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. And now his administration is threatening Russia with war in Syria - and beyond. Hillary Clinton threatens to do the same, or worse. Unless the American people stand up to our elected officials and urge them to stop the killing and destruction, humanity may well be doomed. KAREN ARAM Urbana Share -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 6 13:45:54 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 13:45:54 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia--Yoo too! Message-ID: From the Ed Norton Professor of Law at the Carl Schmitt College of Law. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: The Wisdom Fund [mailto:listserve at twf.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:16 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Subject: Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia [THE WISDOM FUND: News & Views] SUBSCRIBE to The Wisdom Fund — unsubscribe fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (add listserve at twf.org and staff at twf.org to your address book) JOIN TWF.ORG founder on Facebook JOIN TWF.ORG on Twitter May 12, 2012 Foreign Policy Journal Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia by Yvonne Ridley In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia. The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan. They included testimony from British man Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo detainee and Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi who was tortured in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison. At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council. The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is also asking that the names of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, Addington and Haynes be entered and included in the Commission's Register of War Criminals for public record. The tribunal is the initiative of Malaysia's retired Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, who staunchly opposed the American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. He sat through the entire hearing as it took personal statements and testimonies of three witnesses namely Abbas Abid, Moazzam Begg and Jameelah Hameedi. The tribunal also heard two other Statutory Declarations of Iraqi citizen Ali Shalal and Rahul Ahmed, another British citizen. After the guilty verdict reached by five senior judges was delivered, Mahathir Mohamad said: "Powerful countries are getting away with murder." War crimes expert and lawyer Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law in America, was part of the prosecution team. After the case he said: "This is the first conviction of these people anywhere in the world." While the hearing is regarded by some as being purely symbolic, human rights activist Boyle said he was hopeful that Bush and Co could soon find themselves facing similar trials elsewhere in the world. "We tried three times to get Bush in Canada but were thwarted by the Canadian Government, then we scared Bush out of going to Switzerland. The Spanish attempt failed because of the government there and the same happened in Germany." Boyle then referenced the Nuremberg Charter which was used as the format for the tribunal when asked about the credibility of the initiative in Malaysia. He quoted: "Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit war crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any person in execution of such a plan." The US is subject to customary international law and to the Principles of the Nuremberg Charter said Boyle who also believes the week-long trial was "almost certainly" being monitored closely by both Pentagon and White House officials. Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said: "The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts". He added that he was optimistic the tribunal would be followed up elsewhere in the world where "countries have a duty to try war criminals" and he cited the case of the former Chilean dictator Augustine Pinochet who was arrested in Britain to be extradited to Spain on charges of war crimes. "Pinochet was only eight years out of his presidency when that happened." The Pinochet case was the first time that several European judges applied the principle of universal jurisdiction, declaring themselves competent to judge crimes committed by former heads of state, despite local amnesty laws. Throughout the week the tribunal was packed with legal experts and law students as witnesses gave testimony and then cross examination by the defence led by lawyer Jason Kay Kit Leon. The court heard how - Abbas Abid, a 48-year-old engineer from Fallujah in Iraq had his fingernails removed by pliers. - Ali Shalal was attached with bare electrical wires and electrocuted and hung from a wall. - Moazzam Begg was beaten, hooded and put in solitary confinement. - Jameelah was stripped and humiliated, and was used as a human shield whilst being transported by helicopter. The witnesses also detailed how they have residual injuries till today. Moazzam Begg, now working as a director for the London-based human rights group Cageprisoners said he was delighted with the verdict, but added: "When people talk about Nuremberg you have to remember those tried were all prosecuted after the war. "Right now Guantanamo is still open, people are still being held there and are still being tortured there." In response to questions about the difference between the Bush and Obama Administrations, he added: "If President Bush was the President of extra-judicial torture then US President Barak Obama is the President of extra judicial killing through drone strikes. Our work has only just begun." The prosecution case rested on proving how the decision-makers at the highest level President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Secretary of Defence Rumsfeld, aided and abetted by the lawyers and the other commanders and CIA officials – all acted in concert. Torture was systematically applied and became an accepted norm. According to the prosecution, the testimony of all the witnesses exposed a sustained perpetration of brutal, barbaric, cruel and dehumanising course of conduct against them. These acts of crimes were applied cumulatively to inflict the worst possible pain and suffering, said lawyers. The president of the tribunal Tan Sri Dato Lamin bin Haji Mohd Yunus Lamin, found that the prosecution had established beyond a "reasonable doubt that the accused persons, former President George Bush and his co-conspirators engaged in a web of instructions, memos, directives, legal advice and action that established a common plan and purpose, joint enterprise and/or conspiracy to commit the crimes of Torture and War Crimes, including and not limited to a common plan and purpose to commit the following crimes in relation to the "War on Terror" and the wars launched by the U.S. and others in Afghanistan and Iraq." President Lamin told a packed courtroom: "As a tribunal of conscience, the Tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the Tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council. "The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission's Register of War Criminals and be publicised accordingly. "The Tribunal recommends to the War Crimes Commission to give the widest international publicity to this conviction and grant of reparations, as these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations to institute prosecutions if any of these Accused persons may enter their jurisdictions". [https://www.dmanalytics2.com/open?d=90Y8W678-5600-4W0W-8Y1Y-9016VYZX0Z6Z&e=fboyle at law.uiuc.edu&a=61U71383-5X8Y-4U5Z-YV00-5V4WY30ZUYX2] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 6 13:56:04 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 13:56:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia--Yoo too! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And let me point out that our Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/KGB/MOSSAD Moore have been stinking up the Carl Schmitt College of Law and this Campus for the past 15 years or so by publicly advocating torture and Moore fully supported bringing in the War Criminal Killer Koh to poison and pollute the Good People of this Community along with Yale Law Mafia Dean Ammar and the rest of our Nazi Law Faculty here. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:46 AM To: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; Jay Subject: Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia--Yoo too! From the Ed Norton Professor of Law at the Carl Schmitt College of Law. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: The Wisdom Fund [mailto:listserve at twf.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:16 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia [THE WISDOM FUND: News & Views] SUBSCRIBE to The Wisdom Fund — unsubscribe fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (add listserve at twf.org and staff at twf.org to your address book) JOIN TWF.ORG founder on Facebook JOIN TWF.ORG on Twitter May 12, 2012 Foreign Policy Journal Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia by Yvonne Ridley In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia. The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan. They included testimony from British man Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo detainee and Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi who was tortured in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison. At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council. The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is also asking that the names of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, Addington and Haynes be entered and included in the Commission's Register of War Criminals for public record. The tribunal is the initiative of Malaysia's retired Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, who staunchly opposed the American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. He sat through the entire hearing as it took personal statements and testimonies of three witnesses namely Abbas Abid, Moazzam Begg and Jameelah Hameedi. The tribunal also heard two other Statutory Declarations of Iraqi citizen Ali Shalal and Rahul Ahmed, another British citizen. After the guilty verdict reached by five senior judges was delivered, Mahathir Mohamad said: "Powerful countries are getting away with murder." War crimes expert and lawyer Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law in America, was part of the prosecution team. After the case he said: "This is the first conviction of these people anywhere in the world." While the hearing is regarded by some as being purely symbolic, human rights activist Boyle said he was hopeful that Bush and Co could soon find themselves facing similar trials elsewhere in the world. "We tried three times to get Bush in Canada but were thwarted by the Canadian Government, then we scared Bush out of going to Switzerland. The Spanish attempt failed because of the government there and the same happened in Germany." Boyle then referenced the Nuremberg Charter which was used as the format for the tribunal when asked about the credibility of the initiative in Malaysia. He quoted: "Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit war crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any person in execution of such a plan." The US is subject to customary international law and to the Principles of the Nuremberg Charter said Boyle who also believes the week-long trial was "almost certainly" being monitored closely by both Pentagon and White House officials. Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said: "The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts". He added that he was optimistic the tribunal would be followed up elsewhere in the world where "countries have a duty to try war criminals" and he cited the case of the former Chilean dictator Augustine Pinochet who was arrested in Britain to be extradited to Spain on charges of war crimes. "Pinochet was only eight years out of his presidency when that happened." The Pinochet case was the first time that several European judges applied the principle of universal jurisdiction, declaring themselves competent to judge crimes committed by former heads of state, despite local amnesty laws. Throughout the week the tribunal was packed with legal experts and law students as witnesses gave testimony and then cross examination by the defence led by lawyer Jason Kay Kit Leon. The court heard how - Abbas Abid, a 48-year-old engineer from Fallujah in Iraq had his fingernails removed by pliers. - Ali Shalal was attached with bare electrical wires and electrocuted and hung from a wall. - Moazzam Begg was beaten, hooded and put in solitary confinement. - Jameelah was stripped and humiliated, and was used as a human shield whilst being transported by helicopter. The witnesses also detailed how they have residual injuries till today. Moazzam Begg, now working as a director for the London-based human rights group Cageprisoners said he was delighted with the verdict, but added: "When people talk about Nuremberg you have to remember those tried were all prosecuted after the war. "Right now Guantanamo is still open, people are still being held there and are still being tortured there." In response to questions about the difference between the Bush and Obama Administrations, he added: "If President Bush was the President of extra-judicial torture then US President Barak Obama is the President of extra judicial killing through drone strikes. Our work has only just begun." The prosecution case rested on proving how the decision-makers at the highest level President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Secretary of Defence Rumsfeld, aided and abetted by the lawyers and the other commanders and CIA officials – all acted in concert. Torture was systematically applied and became an accepted norm. According to the prosecution, the testimony of all the witnesses exposed a sustained perpetration of brutal, barbaric, cruel and dehumanising course of conduct against them. These acts of crimes were applied cumulatively to inflict the worst possible pain and suffering, said lawyers. The president of the tribunal Tan Sri Dato Lamin bin Haji Mohd Yunus Lamin, found that the prosecution had established beyond a "reasonable doubt that the accused persons, former President George Bush and his co-conspirators engaged in a web of instructions, memos, directives, legal advice and action that established a common plan and purpose, joint enterprise and/or conspiracy to commit the crimes of Torture and War Crimes, including and not limited to a common plan and purpose to commit the following crimes in relation to the "War on Terror" and the wars launched by the U.S. and others in Afghanistan and Iraq." President Lamin told a packed courtroom: "As a tribunal of conscience, the Tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the Tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council. "The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission's Register of War Criminals and be publicised accordingly. "The Tribunal recommends to the War Crimes Commission to give the widest international publicity to this conviction and grant of reparations, as these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations to institute prosecutions if any of these Accused persons may enter their jurisdictions". [https://www.dmanalytics2.com/open?d=90Y8W678-5600-4W0W-8Y1Y-9016VYZX0Z6Z&e=fboyle at law.uiuc.edu&a=61U71383-5X8Y-4U5Z-YV00-5V4WY30ZUYX2] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwhelbig at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 14:11:21 2016 From: rwhelbig at gmail.com (Roger Helbig) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 06:11:21 -0800 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia--Yoo too! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nothing like a kangaroo court with no rules of evidence that lets liars like Boyle (if he were to have gone there) testify - Malaysia is clearly no friend of the US and has been a place where liars like Leuren Moret, etc. get plenty of opportunity to spread their lies - Roger Helbig On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:45 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > *From the Ed Norton Professor of Law at the Carl Schmitt College of Law. > fab* > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <217-333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <217-244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only*) > > > > *From:* The Wisdom Fund [mailto:listserve at twf.org] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:16 PM > *To:* Boyle, Francis A > *Subject:* Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia > > > > [image: THE WISDOM FUND: News & Views] > > > *SUBSCRIBE > to > The Wisdom Fund — unsubscribe > fboyle at law.uiuc.edu > * > > *(add **listserve at twf.org ** and **staff at twf.org > ** to your address book)* > > > > *JOIN TWF.ORG* > * founder > on Facebook* > > *JOIN TWF.ORG > on > Twitter* > > > > May 12, 2012 > Foreign Policy Journal > Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia > > by Yvonne Ridley > > In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, > the former US President and seven key members of his administration were > yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes. > > Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto > Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were > tried in absentia in Malaysia. > > The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from > victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors > in Iraq and Afghanistan. > > They included testimony from British man Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo > detainee and Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi who was tortured in the > notorious Abu Ghraib prison. > > At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously > delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key > legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and > cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. > > Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant > material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International > Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council. > > The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is also asking that the names of > Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, Addington and Haynes be > entered and included in the Commission's Register of War Criminals for > public record. > > The tribunal is the initiative of Malaysia's retired Prime Minister > Mahathir Mohamad, who staunchly opposed the American-led invasion of Iraq > in 2003. > > He sat through the entire hearing as it took personal statements and > testimonies of three witnesses namely Abbas Abid, Moazzam Begg and Jameelah > Hameedi. The tribunal also heard two other Statutory Declarations of Iraqi > citizen Ali Shalal and Rahul Ahmed, another British citizen. > > After the guilty verdict reached by five senior judges was delivered, > Mahathir Mohamad said: "Powerful countries are getting away with murder." > > War crimes expert and lawyer Francis Boyle, professor of international law > at the University of Illinois College of Law in America, was part of the > prosecution team. > > After the case he said: "This is the first conviction of these people > anywhere in the world." > > While the hearing is regarded by some as being purely symbolic, human > rights activist Boyle said he was hopeful that Bush and Co could soon find > themselves facing similar trials elsewhere in the world. > > "We tried three times to get Bush in Canada but were thwarted by the > Canadian Government, then we scared Bush out of going to Switzerland. The > Spanish attempt failed because of the government there and the same > happened in Germany." > > Boyle then referenced the Nuremberg Charter which was used as the format > for the tribunal when asked about the credibility of the initiative in > Malaysia. He quoted: "Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices > participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or > conspiracy to commit war crimes are responsible for all acts performed by > any person in execution of such a plan." > > The US is subject to customary international law and to the Principles of > the Nuremberg Charter said Boyle who also believes the week-long trial was > "almost certainly" being monitored closely by both Pentagon and White House > officials. > > Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said: "The > tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn > up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts". > > He added that he was optimistic the tribunal would be followed up > elsewhere in the world where "countries have a duty to try war criminals" > and he cited the case of the former Chilean dictator Augustine Pinochet who > was arrested in Britain to be extradited to Spain on charges of war crimes. > > "Pinochet was only eight years out of his presidency when that happened." > > The Pinochet case was the first time that several European judges applied > the principle of universal jurisdiction, declaring themselves competent to > judge crimes committed by former heads of state, despite local amnesty > laws. > > Throughout the week the tribunal was packed with legal experts and law > students as witnesses gave testimony and then cross examination by the > defence led by lawyer Jason Kay Kit Leon. > > The court heard how > > - Abbas Abid, a 48-year-old engineer from Fallujah in Iraq had his > fingernails removed by pliers. > > - Ali Shalal was attached with bare electrical wires and electrocuted and > hung from a wall. > > - Moazzam Begg was beaten, hooded and put in solitary confinement. > > - Jameelah was stripped and humiliated, and was used as a human shield > whilst being transported by helicopter. > > The witnesses also detailed how they have residual injuries till today. > > Moazzam Begg, now working as a director for the London-based human rights > group Cageprisoners said he was delighted with the verdict, but added: > "When people talk about Nuremberg you have to remember those tried were all > prosecuted after the war. > > "Right now Guantanamo is still open, people are still being held there and > are still being tortured there." > > In response to questions about the difference between the Bush and Obama > Administrations, he added: "If President Bush was the President of > extra-judicial torture then US President Barak Obama is the President of > extra judicial killing through drone strikes. Our work has only just > begun." > > The prosecution case rested on proving how the decision-makers at the > highest level President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Secretary of Defence > Rumsfeld, aided and abetted by the lawyers and the other commanders and CIA > officials – all acted in concert. Torture was systematically applied and > became an accepted norm. > > According to the prosecution, the testimony of all the witnesses exposed a > sustained perpetration of brutal, barbaric, cruel and dehumanising course > of conduct against them. > > These acts of crimes were applied cumulatively to inflict the worst > possible pain and suffering, said lawyers. > > The president of the tribunal Tan Sri Dato Lamin bin Haji Mohd Yunus > Lamin, found that the prosecution had established beyond a "reasonable > doubt that the accused persons, former President George Bush and his > co-conspirators engaged in a web of instructions, memos, directives, legal > advice and action that established a common plan and purpose, joint > enterprise and/or conspiracy to commit the crimes of Torture and War > Crimes, including and not limited to a common plan and purpose to commit > the following crimes in relation to the "War on Terror" and the wars > launched by the U.S. and others in Afghanistan and Iraq." > > President Lamin told a packed courtroom: "As a tribunal of conscience, the > Tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. > The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial > sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, > under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to > the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction > by the Tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief > Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United > Nations and the Security Council. > > "The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission > that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in > the Commission's Register of War Criminals and be publicised accordingly. > > "The Tribunal recommends to the War Crimes Commission to give the widest > international publicity to this conviction and grant of reparations, as > these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations > to institute prosecutions if any of these Accused persons may enter their > jurisdictions". > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 6 14:25:58 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 14:25:58 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia--Yoo too! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the record: I did not testify. I prosecuted Bush et al. The Tribunal was organized under Malaysian Law. There was a Statute for the Tribunal and there were Rules of Evidence. And Bush et al were assigned a paid Defense Team to defend them. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Roger Helbig [mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:11 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; Jay Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia--Yoo too! Nothing like a kangaroo court with no rules of evidence that lets liars like Boyle (if he were to have gone there) testify - Malaysia is clearly no friend of the US and has been a place where liars like Leuren Moret, etc. get plenty of opportunity to spread their lies - Roger Helbig On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:45 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss > wrote: From the Ed Norton Professor of Law at the Carl Schmitt College of Law. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: The Wisdom Fund [mailto:listserve at twf.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:16 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia [THE WISDOM FUND: News & Views] SUBSCRIBE to The Wisdom Fund — unsubscribe fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (add listserve at twf.org and staff at twf.org to your address book) JOIN TWF.ORG founder on Facebook JOIN TWF.ORG on Twitter May 12, 2012 Foreign Policy Journal Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia by Yvonne Ridley In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia. The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan. They included testimony from British man Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo detainee and Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi who was tortured in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison. At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council. The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is also asking that the names of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, Addington and Haynes be entered and included in the Commission's Register of War Criminals for public record. The tribunal is the initiative of Malaysia's retired Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, who staunchly opposed the American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. He sat through the entire hearing as it took personal statements and testimonies of three witnesses namely Abbas Abid, Moazzam Begg and Jameelah Hameedi. The tribunal also heard two other Statutory Declarations of Iraqi citizen Ali Shalal and Rahul Ahmed, another British citizen. After the guilty verdict reached by five senior judges was delivered, Mahathir Mohamad said: "Powerful countries are getting away with murder." War crimes expert and lawyer Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law in America, was part of the prosecution team. After the case he said: "This is the first conviction of these people anywhere in the world." While the hearing is regarded by some as being purely symbolic, human rights activist Boyle said he was hopeful that Bush and Co could soon find themselves facing similar trials elsewhere in the world. "We tried three times to get Bush in Canada but were thwarted by the Canadian Government, then we scared Bush out of going to Switzerland. The Spanish attempt failed because of the government there and the same happened in Germany." Boyle then referenced the Nuremberg Charter which was used as the format for the tribunal when asked about the credibility of the initiative in Malaysia. He quoted: "Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit war crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any person in execution of such a plan." The US is subject to customary international law and to the Principles of the Nuremberg Charter said Boyle who also believes the week-long trial was "almost certainly" being monitored closely by both Pentagon and White House officials. Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said: "The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts". He added that he was optimistic the tribunal would be followed up elsewhere in the world where "countries have a duty to try war criminals" and he cited the case of the former Chilean dictator Augustine Pinochet who was arrested in Britain to be extradited to Spain on charges of war crimes. "Pinochet was only eight years out of his presidency when that happened." The Pinochet case was the first time that several European judges applied the principle of universal jurisdiction, declaring themselves competent to judge crimes committed by former heads of state, despite local amnesty laws. Throughout the week the tribunal was packed with legal experts and law students as witnesses gave testimony and then cross examination by the defence led by lawyer Jason Kay Kit Leon. The court heard how - Abbas Abid, a 48-year-old engineer from Fallujah in Iraq had his fingernails removed by pliers. - Ali Shalal was attached with bare electrical wires and electrocuted and hung from a wall. - Moazzam Begg was beaten, hooded and put in solitary confinement. - Jameelah was stripped and humiliated, and was used as a human shield whilst being transported by helicopter. The witnesses also detailed how they have residual injuries till today. Moazzam Begg, now working as a director for the London-based human rights group Cageprisoners said he was delighted with the verdict, but added: "When people talk about Nuremberg you have to remember those tried were all prosecuted after the war. "Right now Guantanamo is still open, people are still being held there and are still being tortured there." In response to questions about the difference between the Bush and Obama Administrations, he added: "If President Bush was the President of extra-judicial torture then US President Barak Obama is the President of extra judicial killing through drone strikes. Our work has only just begun." The prosecution case rested on proving how the decision-makers at the highest level President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Secretary of Defence Rumsfeld, aided and abetted by the lawyers and the other commanders and CIA officials – all acted in concert. Torture was systematically applied and became an accepted norm. According to the prosecution, the testimony of all the witnesses exposed a sustained perpetration of brutal, barbaric, cruel and dehumanising course of conduct against them. These acts of crimes were applied cumulatively to inflict the worst possible pain and suffering, said lawyers. The president of the tribunal Tan Sri Dato Lamin bin Haji Mohd Yunus Lamin, found that the prosecution had established beyond a "reasonable doubt that the accused persons, former President George Bush and his co-conspirators engaged in a web of instructions, memos, directives, legal advice and action that established a common plan and purpose, joint enterprise and/or conspiracy to commit the crimes of Torture and War Crimes, including and not limited to a common plan and purpose to commit the following crimes in relation to the "War on Terror" and the wars launched by the U.S. and others in Afghanistan and Iraq." President Lamin told a packed courtroom: "As a tribunal of conscience, the Tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the Tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council. "The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission's Register of War Criminals and be publicised accordingly. "The Tribunal recommends to the War Crimes Commission to give the widest international publicity to this conviction and grant of reparations, as these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations to institute prosecutions if any of these Accused persons may enter their jurisdictions". [https://www.dmanalytics2.com/open?d=90Y8W678-5600-4W0W-8Y1Y-9016VYZX0Z6Z&e=fboyle at law.uiuc.edu&a=61U71383-5X8Y-4U5Z-YV00-5V4WY30ZUYX2] _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 6 14:36:26 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 14:36:26 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia--Yoo too! References: Message-ID: And if Bush et al were “innocent”, then why were we able to scare Bush out of getting a big speaking fee in Geneva? Because Bush knew we would get him prosecuted and convicted there! See the story below. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law 31 janvier 2011 January 31, 2011 Georges W. George W. Bush : aller simple pour Champ-Dollon Bush: One way for Champ Dollon Monsieur le Procureur général, veuillez arrêter l'ancien président des USA, Georges W. Mr. Attorney General, please stop the former U.S. president, George W. Bush ! Bush! Puis enquêter, sinon évaluer la pertinence d'une remise de l'inculpé au Tribunal Pénal international (TPI). Then investigate, if not evaluate the appropriateness of a transfer of custody to the International Criminal Tribunal (ICTY). Telle est la demande que j'ai formulée par écrit ce jour à l'adresse de Daniel Zappelli. This is the request I made in writing today to address Daniel Zappelli. Puisque la Suisse et Genève aiment tant les traités internationaux et tout spécialement celui de Schengen, hé bien qu'ils fassent le nécessaire pour remplir les obligations qui découlent de ceux-ci. As Switzerland and Geneva are so fond of international treaties and especially that of Schengen, well they do what is necessary to fulfill the obligations thereof. Le 12 février prochain, lorsque Georges W. On 12 February, when George W. Bush foulera le tarmac de Cointrin, il doit être interpellé pour être présenté au TPI qui est saisi d'une plainte du professeur Francis Boyle de la Faculté de droit de l'Université de l'Illinois. Bush will step on the tarmac at Cointrin, he must be arrested to be presented to the ICTY, which is hearing a complaint by Professor Francis Boyle of the Faculty of Law, University of Illinois. Pour crime de guerre. For war crimes. Plus techniquement, il est dénoncé pour sa « politique criminelle et la pratique du transfert extraordinaire (extraordinary rendition) » selon les mots de Francis Boyle. More technically, he is denounced for his "criminal policy and practice of extraordinary rendition (extraordinary rendition)" in the words of Francis Boyle. Enlèvements, emprisonnements et tortures. Kidnapping, imprisonment and torture. Ce que l'ancien président des USA ne nie pas dans ses mémoires parues récemment. What former U.S. president does not deny in his memoirs published recently. Et tant pis si les Etats-Unis ne sont pas membres du TPI. And even if the United States are not members of the CFI. Les transferts extraordinaires ont eu lieu dans des pays européens et asiatiques membres du Tribunal. Extraordinary renditions have taken place in European countries and Asian members of the Tribunal. Dominique Baettig, conseiller national UDC, a saisi Mme la Conseillère fédérale Somaruga et indirectement le procureur de la Confédération. Dominique Baettig, National UDC, grabbed Mrs Federal Councillor and indirectly Somaruga Attorney Confederation. Ce dernier est lié dans ce cas par la ratification en date du 1 janvier 2011 des Statuts de Rome qui est tenu d'arrêter les criminels de guerre présumés, dès leur entrée, ici sur le territoire de la Confédération Helvétique et, à l'évidence, ouvrir une enquête. The latter is bound in this case by the ratification dated January 1, 2011 of the Rome Statute which is required to stop the alleged war criminals as they come, here on the territory of the Swiss Confederation and, obviously , investigate. Attendu à Genève, le citoyen américain Georges W. Whereas in Geneva, the American citizen George W. Bush doit donc être arrêté à Genève. Bush must be arrested in Geneva. C'est pourquoi j'ai adressé une lettre au procureur de la République et canton de Genève pour lui demander de faire le nécessaire. That's why I sent a letter to the prosecutor and Canton of Geneva to ask him to do the needful. En coffrant ce triste individu ou en l'obligeant à passer son chemin, la Suisse montrerait qu'elle traite de la même manière tous les responsables de crimes de guerre. In this sad individual shuttering or forcing him to go his way, Switzerland shows that it treats the same way all those responsible for war crimes. Y compris ceux qui sont présumés criminels. Including those who are suspected criminals. 23:21 Lien permanent | Commentaires (2) | Trackbacks (0) | Envoyer cette note 11:21 p.m. Permalink | Comments (2) | Trackbacks (0) | Email this Georges W. Bush : aller simple pour Champ-Dollon Tribune de Genève ... être interpellé pour être présenté au TPI qui est saisi d'une plainte du professeur Francis Boyle de la Faculté de droit de l'Université de l'Illinois. ... Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:26 AM To: 'Karen Aram' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Amanda Bass' ; 'C. G. Estabrook' ; 'C. G. Estabrook' ; 'Peace Discuss' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Stuart Levy' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Green' ; 'Karen Medina' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; 'Belden Fields' ; 'jmachota at shout.net' ; 'Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List' ; 'Bryan Savage' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Jay' Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia--Yoo too! For the record: I did not testify. I prosecuted Bush et al. The Tribunal was organized under Malaysian Law. There was a Statute for the Tribunal and there were Rules of Evidence. And Bush et al were assigned a paid Defense Team to defend them. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Roger Helbig [mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:11 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia--Yoo too! Nothing like a kangaroo court with no rules of evidence that lets liars like Boyle (if he were to have gone there) testify - Malaysia is clearly no friend of the US and has been a place where liars like Leuren Moret, etc. get plenty of opportunity to spread their lies - Roger Helbig On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:45 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss > wrote: From the Ed Norton Professor of Law at the Carl Schmitt College of Law. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: The Wisdom Fund [mailto:listserve at twf.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 5:16 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia [THE WISDOM FUND: News & Views] SUBSCRIBE to The Wisdom Fund — unsubscribe fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (add listserve at twf.org and staff at twf.org to your address book) JOIN TWF.ORG founder on Facebook JOIN TWF.ORG on Twitter May 12, 2012 Foreign Policy Journal Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia by Yvonne Ridley In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia. The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan. They included testimony from British man Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo detainee and Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi who was tortured in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison. At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council. The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission is also asking that the names of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Yoo, Bybee, Addington and Haynes be entered and included in the Commission's Register of War Criminals for public record. The tribunal is the initiative of Malaysia's retired Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad, who staunchly opposed the American-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. He sat through the entire hearing as it took personal statements and testimonies of three witnesses namely Abbas Abid, Moazzam Begg and Jameelah Hameedi. The tribunal also heard two other Statutory Declarations of Iraqi citizen Ali Shalal and Rahul Ahmed, another British citizen. After the guilty verdict reached by five senior judges was delivered, Mahathir Mohamad said: "Powerful countries are getting away with murder." War crimes expert and lawyer Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law in America, was part of the prosecution team. After the case he said: "This is the first conviction of these people anywhere in the world." While the hearing is regarded by some as being purely symbolic, human rights activist Boyle said he was hopeful that Bush and Co could soon find themselves facing similar trials elsewhere in the world. "We tried three times to get Bush in Canada but were thwarted by the Canadian Government, then we scared Bush out of going to Switzerland. The Spanish attempt failed because of the government there and the same happened in Germany." Boyle then referenced the Nuremberg Charter which was used as the format for the tribunal when asked about the credibility of the initiative in Malaysia. He quoted: "Leaders, organizers, instigators and accomplices participating in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit war crimes are responsible for all acts performed by any person in execution of such a plan." The US is subject to customary international law and to the Principles of the Nuremberg Charter said Boyle who also believes the week-long trial was "almost certainly" being monitored closely by both Pentagon and White House officials. Professor Gurdial Singh Nijar, who headed the prosecution said: "The tribunal was very careful to adhere scrupulously to the regulations drawn up by the Nuremberg courts and the International Criminal Courts". He added that he was optimistic the tribunal would be followed up elsewhere in the world where "countries have a duty to try war criminals" and he cited the case of the former Chilean dictator Augustine Pinochet who was arrested in Britain to be extradited to Spain on charges of war crimes. "Pinochet was only eight years out of his presidency when that happened." The Pinochet case was the first time that several European judges applied the principle of universal jurisdiction, declaring themselves competent to judge crimes committed by former heads of state, despite local amnesty laws. Throughout the week the tribunal was packed with legal experts and law students as witnesses gave testimony and then cross examination by the defence led by lawyer Jason Kay Kit Leon. The court heard how - Abbas Abid, a 48-year-old engineer from Fallujah in Iraq had his fingernails removed by pliers. - Ali Shalal was attached with bare electrical wires and electrocuted and hung from a wall. - Moazzam Begg was beaten, hooded and put in solitary confinement. - Jameelah was stripped and humiliated, and was used as a human shield whilst being transported by helicopter. The witnesses also detailed how they have residual injuries till today. Moazzam Begg, now working as a director for the London-based human rights group Cageprisoners said he was delighted with the verdict, but added: "When people talk about Nuremberg you have to remember those tried were all prosecuted after the war. "Right now Guantanamo is still open, people are still being held there and are still being tortured there." In response to questions about the difference between the Bush and Obama Administrations, he added: "If President Bush was the President of extra-judicial torture then US President Barak Obama is the President of extra judicial killing through drone strikes. Our work has only just begun." The prosecution case rested on proving how the decision-makers at the highest level President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Secretary of Defence Rumsfeld, aided and abetted by the lawyers and the other commanders and CIA officials – all acted in concert. Torture was systematically applied and became an accepted norm. According to the prosecution, the testimony of all the witnesses exposed a sustained perpetration of brutal, barbaric, cruel and dehumanising course of conduct against them. These acts of crimes were applied cumulatively to inflict the worst possible pain and suffering, said lawyers. The president of the tribunal Tan Sri Dato Lamin bin Haji Mohd Yunus Lamin, found that the prosecution had established beyond a "reasonable doubt that the accused persons, former President George Bush and his co-conspirators engaged in a web of instructions, memos, directives, legal advice and action that established a common plan and purpose, joint enterprise and/or conspiracy to commit the crimes of Torture and War Crimes, including and not limited to a common plan and purpose to commit the following crimes in relation to the "War on Terror" and the wars launched by the U.S. and others in Afghanistan and Iraq." President Lamin told a packed courtroom: "As a tribunal of conscience, the Tribunal is fully aware that its verdict is merely declaratory in nature. The tribunal has no power of enforcement, no power to impose any custodial sentence on any one or more of the 8 convicted persons. What we can do, under Article 31 of Chapter VI of Part 2 of the Charter is to recommend to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission to submit this finding of conviction by the Tribunal, together with a record of these proceedings, to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council. "The Tribunal also recommends to the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission that the names of all the 8 convicted persons be entered and included in the Commission's Register of War Criminals and be publicised accordingly. "The Tribunal recommends to the War Crimes Commission to give the widest international publicity to this conviction and grant of reparations, as these are universal crimes for which there is a responsibility upon nations to institute prosecutions if any of these Accused persons may enter their jurisdictions". [https://www.dmanalytics2.com/open?d=90Y8W678-5600-4W0W-8Y1Y-9016VYZX0Z6Z&e=fboyle at law.uiuc.edu&a=61U71383-5X8Y-4U5Z-YV00-5V4WY30ZUYX2] _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Nov 6 15:24:01 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 15:24:01 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A worthwhile article from 2014, by Paul Craig Roberts, relevant today. Message-ID: Professor Francis Boyle on Impeachment of Bush and Obama June 17, 2014 | Categories: Articles & Columns | Tags: Conyers, Francis Boyle, Impeachment, | [Print This Article] Print This Article Professor Francis Boyle on Impeachment of Bush and Obama — Paul Craig Roberts Paul Craig Roberts As Democratic Representative Nancy Pelosi, the Richest Representative of the One Percent in the House of Representatives, said: “Impeachment is off the table.” Nevertheless, Insouciant Californians still send The bought-and paid-for hireling to Washington In my day if an experienced professor of international and constitutional law, such as University of Illinois Professor Francis A. Boyle, called for impeachment of a president, it was a serious situation for the president. But no more. Today an American president can ride roughshod over constitutional lawyers, the US Constitution and US statutory law without any danger of impeachment. To avoid impeachment today, all a president has to do is to avoid having a sexual affair with a White House intern in the Oval Office, or is that the Oral Orifice. America’s last two presidents, Obama and George W. Bush, have established the precedent that impeachment is a “dead letter law.” Impeachment is unlikely ever again to be a threat to a tyrannical president. Congress and the Federal Judiciary have accepted their impotence. Both “coequal” branches of government are happy in their subservience to the Executive Power. Members of Congress and the Judiciary are still permitted to pretend that they are important, like Roman Senators under the Caesars, but both are incapable of challenging the Executive Branch where a Caesar now rules independently of law and the Constitution. I have received a communication from University of Illinois Law School Professor Francis A. Boyle, an internationally famous representative of human rights, with J.D. and Ph.D. degrees from Harvard University, a man revered in many countries of the world, although not in Washington: “On Tuesday 11 March 2003, with the Bush Jr. administration’s war of aggression against Iraq staring the American People, Congress and Republic in their face, Congressman John Conyers of Michigan, the Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee (which has jurisdiction over Bills of Impeachment), convened an emergency meeting of forty or more of his top advisors, most of whom were lawyers. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss and debate immediately putting into the U.S. House of Representatives Bills of Impeachment against President Bush Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and then Attorney General John Ashcroft in order to head off the impending war. Congressman Conyers kindly requested that Ramsey Clark and I come to the meeting in order to argue the case for impeachment. “This impeachment debate lasted for two hours. It was presided over by Congressman Conyers, who quite correctly did not tip his hand one way or the other on the merits of impeachment. He simply moderated the debate between Clark and I, on the one side, favoring immediately filing Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr. et al. to stop the threatened war, and almost everyone else there who were against impeachment for partisan political reasons. Obviously no point would be served here by attempting to digest a two-hour-long vigorous debate among a group of well-trained lawyers on such a controversial matter at this critical moment in American history. But at the time I was struck by the fact that this momentous debate was conducted at a private office right down the street from the White House on the eve of war. “Suffice it to say that most of the ‘experts’ there opposed impeachment not on the basis of enforcing the Constitution and the Rule of Law, whether international or domestic, but on the political grounds that it might hurt the Democratic Party’s effort to get their presidential candidate elected in the year 2004. As a political independent, I did not argue that point. Rather, I argued the merits of impeaching Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft under the United States Constitution, U.S. federal laws, U.S. treaties and other international agreements to which the United States is a party, etc. Article VI of the U.S. Constitution provides that treaties ‘shall be the supreme Law of the Land.’ This so-called Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution also applies to international executive agreements concluded under the auspices of the U.S. President such as the 1945 Nuremberg Charter. “Congressman Conyers was so kind as to allow me the closing argument in the debate. Briefly put, the concluding point I chose to make was historical: The Athenians lost their democracy. The Romans lost their Republic. And if we Americans did not act now we could lose our Republic! The United States of America is not immune to the laws of history! “After two hours of most vigorous debate among those in attendance, the meeting adjourned with second revised draft Bills of Impeachment sitting on the table.” Professor Boyle said to former Attorney General Ramsey Clark on the way out of the building after the two hour debate: “Ramsey, I don’t understand it. Why didn’t those people take me up on my offer to stick around, polish up my draft bills of impeachment, and put them in there right away in order to head off this war? “And Ramsey replied: ‘I think most of the people there want a war.’” And, Indeed, they did. John Podesta representing the Democratic National Committed told Conyers that the Democratic Party did not want Conyers to pursue the impeachment effort. Instead, the Democratic Party wanted to give Republicans Bush and Cheney their war on Iraq so that the Democrats would fare better in the national elections in 2004. Think about that, not just the stupidity of the Democratic Party–whenever has a party at war been in danger of electoral defeat? Look and see! Here is the spokesman for the Democratic Party telling Conyers: “Don’t prevent a war, because we will benefit politically from it. Let the Iraqi people die. Let our soldiers die. We Democrats will benefit from it.” You can listen to Professor Boyle tell the story here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfvMlyCnjDs If you are impatient, listen to the 7 minute marker to the 9:35 marker. Once upon a time Democrats were less vicious than Republicans, but no more. I can remember when Democrats were the Humane Party. This was before the corporations and their “free market” shills sent the industrial and manufacturing jobs to Asia, destroying the industrial and manufacturing basis of the Democratic Party in the working people. Today the Democrats have to appeal to Wall Street, to the Military/Security Complex, and to the Evironmental Despoilers in the Agribusiness, Timber, Mining, and Energy industries. Obama completed George W. Bush’s destruction of the US Constitution. Neither party represents you or America, unless you are the one percent. If you vote for a Republican or a Democrat you are voting for your dispossession and for war. You are voting in favor of a DHS sponsored SWAT team breaking into your home at night and murdering you or your wife or your children and most certainly the family pet dog. Both political parties are irredeemably evil. Neither has any redeeming virtues. If Americans cannot find leadership that can survive assassination, either by media slander or by SWAT Team bullet, America is lost. How would you place your bet? 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When that message trickles down, we all will be better off. * HOME * BUZZFLASH * SPEAKOUT * PROGRESSIVE PICKS * ABOUT US * DONATE * Human Rights Lawyer Francis Boyle on US War Crimes, the Refugee Crisis in Europe and More Monday, 04 April 2016 11:52By Michael Nevradakis, Truthout | Interview * * font size [decrease font size] [increase font size] * Print * [Migrants sit near a fire at a camp in Idomeni, Greece, March 11, 2016. The camp – a padlocked waiting room for entering the rest of Europe – has about 12,000 migrants. More than 44,000 people are already trapped in Greece, a number ticking upward each day, as aid groups warn of a potential humanitarian crisis by summer. (Sergey Ponomarev / The New York Times)]Migrants sit near a fire at a camp in Idomeni, Greece, March 11, 2016. The camp -- a padlocked waiting room for entering the rest of Europe -- has about 12,000 migrants. More than 44,000 people are already trapped in Greece, a number ticking upward each day, as aid groups warn of a potential humanitarian crisis by summer. (Sergey Ponomarev / The New York Times) Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law, is one of the world's foremost experts of international law and human rights issues. In his long career, he has served as legal counsel and adviser to several world leaders, as well as independence movements, and served on the legal team that led to the conviction of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Tony Blair on war crimes charges at the 2012 Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission. In this interview, Boyle tackles a number of hot-button issues, including continued allegations of war crimes against members of the US government, analysis of the upcoming US presidential election, discussion of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East and analysis of the legality of Greece's national debt and memorandum agreements. Michael Nevradakis: Let's discuss the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission and the case which led to the conviction of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and others in absentia for war crimes. Tell us about this commission, about this case that you were a part of and its aftermath. Francis Boyle: There were two different proceedings. The first was against Bush and Tony Blair, for their war of aggression and Nuremberg crime against peace against Iraq. I was part of the team that helped get a unanimous conviction there. The second proceeding was against Bush, Cheney, [Donald] Rumsfeld, [Condoleezza] Rice, [Alberto] Gonzalez and several others for torture and war crimes. Again, I was part of the team that helped get a unanimous conviction, both for torture and for war crimes. "All these refugees are fleeing because the US government has been destroying their states." Those materials have been filed with the International Criminal Court, and I'm doing the best I can to follow up on my own, tracking these people and staying in touch with all the lawyers to see if we could get them apprehended. Bush was about to go to Switzerland [in 2011], and a Swiss parliamentarian aware of my work demanded that the Swiss prosecutor general apprehend and prosecute Bush for torture and war crimes under the domestic implementation of legislation for the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court. When word got back to Bush, he didn't go to Switzerland. So that's the way I'm proceeding, and other international human rights experts -- I'm not the only one out there, I know the Center for Constitutional Rights in New York is involved, I believe Amnesty International is involved, and there's some other human rights lawyers I stay in contact with -- we'll keep after these people the best we can. How does international law view the actions of the Obama administration and the United States today? I wrote a book that comprehensively covered all the violations of international law, human rights, the laws of war and United States constitutional law by the [George W.] Bush administration, called Tackling America's Toughest Questions, and in the conclusion -- I wrote the conclusion three weeks after Obama was inaugurated -- I said it looked like we very well might be getting a third Bush term, and that's what we've got here: two more Bush terms under Obama. He's pretty much continued the Bush policies, both abroad and here at home, compounding and continuing the Bush police state here in the United States. Years ago, you had written about the plans of the United States, the European Union and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) for Ukraine -- and indeed for the world -- with a stated goal of destroying specific states and listing seven countries that were slated to be taken over. What were those plans and have they come into fruition? Yes, they have. In my book, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, I have in there a statement by Deputy Secretary of Defense [Paul] Wolfowitz, made right after 9/11, that the United States government was going to get into the business of destroying states, and I analyze that sentence. It's genocidal. Soon thereafter, NATO Gen. Wesley Clark was in the Pentagon and he was told they had a list of seven Muslim states that they were going to destroy. Basically, they've all been taken out now except for Iran. They've destroyed Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Somalia and Yemen; Lebanon has been pretty much paralyzed, and they lopped out South Sudan from Sudan. That process continues, and now they're moving toward Ukraine and Russia and China. They're moving directly to confront China. Is there, in your view, any political candidate -- any political force in the United States at the present time -- that can put an end to this foreign policy and to the US military machine overseas? For instance, there are many progressives who have placed their hope in Bernie Sanders. Is this hope misguided, in your view? I'm not going to criticize Senator Sanders here -- I've dealt with him personally -- but everyone had the same hope about Obama during his campaign. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School, and he moved to the Hyde Park area in Chicago with the University of Chicago, where I was an undergraduate, so I had my own sources out there in Chicago and they told me not to trust Obama, so I never have. Indeed, I didn't vote for him two times in a row and I was not deluded by Obama, which is why I said -- three weeks into his administration in my book, Tackling America's Toughest Questions -- it looked to me like we were going to get a third Bush term. You know, hope springs eternal. Maybe Bernie Sanders will actually do something, I don't know. Hillary Clinton is a ... war criminal, [who said] "We came, we saw, he died," mimicking Julius Caesar and laughing ... after Col. [Muammar] el-Qaddafi, my former client [at the World Court, in a successful case preventing the US and Britain from taking military action against Libya following the Lockerbie bombing], was sodomized with a knife and beaten to death. As for the Republicans, none of them look very good at all. The last time around, I did support Jill Stein of the Green Party. I thought she was the best candidate and had the best platform, but unfortunately the Greens, with all due respect to them, didn't really get themselves organized and accomplish everything. So there we are here in America, what can I say? The ongoing and worsening conflict in Syria and all across the Middle East has led to a tremendous wave of refugees fleeing their homelands and traveling, under treacherous conditions, to Europe, with Greece often serving as the European entry point for these refugees. What do you make of the European Union's stance toward the refugee crisis, and what does international law foresee in such circumstances? All these refugees are fleeing because the United States government has been destroying their states. Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and Libya account for most of them, so that's why they are fleeing -- the outright terror of the aggression, war crimes, genocide, crimes against humanity that the United States government is inflicting upon them. With respect to Europe, all the states are parties to the UN refugee convention; that's the international law. Unfortunately, it appears that they're going to be making Greece the scapegoat for all of this, and confining all of these refugees in Greece, if you're reading the plans here, which is completely unfair. I don't know exactly how to advise Greece as to how to deal with the situation. The refugee convention is there, but [the refugees are] being made the scapegoat for US policies, and Europe is going along with it. You have written extensively about growing Israeli belligerence in the Middle East and about the Palestinian right of return. How does international law view Israeli actions in the region, such as the continued construction of settlements, and how can the Palestinian people defend their homeland and their sovereignty, from a legal point of view? Well, I've written three books, including Palestine, Palestinians and International Law, Breaking All the Rules and The Palestinian Right of Return Under International Law, so I'm not going to go through all that, but basically what we have here is outright genocide being perpetrated by Israel against the Palestinians with the full support of the United States government. Israel wants all of Palestine and [it doesn't] want any Palestinians there, so it's going to get worse. I gave the best advice I can to the Palestinian leadership; I've worked with them to get them up to the point where they are now a United Nations observer state; I have devised a means whereby they can overcome Obama's threatened veto of their membership, full-fledged state membership in the United Nations; and I have also offered to sue Israel at the International Court of Justice in The Hague -- the World Court -- for inflicting genocide against them and trying to stop the settlements, the genocidal siege of Gaza. So, the Palestinian leadership has my recommendations and offer to help.... In 2005, Palestinian civil society contacted me and asked me if I would go in with them on a boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) campaign, which I agreed to do. The BDS campaign has taken off now all over the world. It's having an impact. It is also very unfortunate to see Greece move toward working hand in glove with Israel, when [Greece] did have a previous history there of supporting the Palestinians, and I think the Greek people need to make it clear to the current Syriza government that [they are] not going to accept this at all. Your outspoken criticism of US foreign policy against Israel, your being in favor of independence for Hawai'i and your stances on many other issues have put you on the radar of the FBI and other intelligence agencies. Describe for us an encounter you had with the FBI about a decade ago. One day, two agents of the FBI and the CIA showed up at my office, misrepresented to my secretary who they were, what they were about. I let them into my office. They proceeded to interrogate me for one hour and tried to get me to become an informant against my Muslim clients, which I refused to do, repeatedly refused. So they went out then and put me on all the United States government's terrorist watch lists. According to my lawyer, there's six or seven of them and as far as he can figure out -- I was put on all of them. You know, what can I say? My lawyer did appeal, but he was told I would remain on all of these watch lists until the FBI and CIA take me off, which of course is not going to happen in my lifetime. He did make it possible for me to travel, but there we are. Over the past six years, successive Greek governments -- including the Syriza government -- have signed a series of memorandum agreements which have not only imposed harsh economic austerity and resulted in the privatization and sell-off of key public assets, but which have also essentially signed away, at least on paper, Greece's sovereignty. The EU and the troika have final approval rights over key legislation that is brought before the Greek Parliament, while the memorandum agreements have been placed under the legal authority of the United Kingdom and Luxembourg. Are such agreements valid under international law, and what could Greece do to restore the country's sovereignty? It does appear that Syriza has abandoned and betrayed the Greek people and the promises it had made originally to get elected. One could use an argument of economic duress and threats of coercion under the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties to try to claw back some of these agreements that Syriza has made [agreements which obligate Greece to enforce further austerity measures, budget cuts and privatizations of public assets]. As for this debt, there is a well-known doctrine under international law known as "odious debt" that I think Greece could consider to repudiate a good deal of this debt. I haven't studied the elements of the Greek debt, but it does appear there are more than enough elements there that could be repudiated as odious debt. And then finally, clearly Germany owes massive reparations to Greece for the Nazi occupation and war crimes in Greece during World War II. They still have not paid up, and I think the Greek government or the Greek people need to insist on that, and that gives [them] a lot of leverage against Germany, which is really the most powerful country in Europe right now and is pretty much calling all of the shots here. So [Greece has] a lot of leverage, but the Syriza government has to use it. What can ordinary people do to not only stand up for human rights and the rule of law, but to also identify political and social movements that will truly stand up for their rights and not betray them? Well, you just had a general strike in Greece. I thought that was great -- it really shows the Greek people have had enough. Everyone taking to the street -- I think we need to see more of that in Greece, and then some type of leadership emerge out of those general strikes. It seems to me [that those organizing and participating in the strikes] are really in contact with people. Syriza has forfeited, in my opinion, its right to lead the Greek people. [Syriza is] working in cahoots with the IMF [International Monetary Fund], the World Bank, the European Central Bank, Brussels and Berlin. Copyright, Truthout. May not be reprinted without permission. MICHAEL NEVRADAKIS Michael Nevradakis is a Ph.D. candidate in media studies at the University of Texas at Austin and a US Fulbright Scholar presently based in Athens, Greece. Michael is also the host of Dialogos Radio, a weekly radio program featuring interviews and coverage of current events in Greece. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sun Nov 6 16:11:02 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 10:11:02 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: The News-Gazette: Letter to the Editor Submission References: <20161106155718.222C026922@web-2.prod.news-gazette.com> Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "News-Gazette.com" > Subject: The News-Gazette: Letter to the Editor Submission > Date: November 6, 2016 at 9:57:18 AM CST > To: cge at shout.net > > Thank you for submitting a letter to the editor. > This is a copy of your letter to the editor. > Name: C. G. Estabrook > Type in your letter: > I was sorry to see News-Gazette columnist Sundiata Cha-Jua embrace warmonger Hillary Clinton’s specious identity politics (“Hillary Clinton is the only viable option,” Sunday, November 6). With Clinton as president, we’re certain to get more of Obama’s vicious war-making; with Trump as president, we might not. (And the Green party candidates, Stein and Baraka, are far better.) > > What’s wrong with the Clinton/Cha-Jua argument? Adolph Reed spells it out: > > Identity politics is “the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. > > “An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. > > “It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class.” > > ### From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 6 18:47:20 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2016 18:47:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Carl Schmitt College of Law at UIUC Message-ID: I am the Ed Norton Professor of Law For the Carl Schmitt College of Law At the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign Ed spent his career Working in a sewer Just like me at UIUC Shoveling Carl Schmitt's Nazi Shit Out of the minds of my students Put there by everyone else On this Nazi Faculty of "Law" It sure does stink around here Of Death and Destruction With all that Muslim Blood On everyone's hands Just like Schmitt had all that Jewish Blood on his The Nazis had their Law Schools too So do we at UIUC Mothers and Fathers don't Send your kids here To Wallow around in Carl Schmitt's Nazi Shit For three years Or they will grow up to become Killer Koh and his student John Yoo Fab Senior Law Professor And Lawyer Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 01:13:44 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 01:13:44 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Billl_Blum_w?= =?utf-8?b?cml0ZXPigKY=?= References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: From: "Brussel, Morton K" > Subject: [ufpj-activist] Billl Blum writes… Date: November 7, 2016 at 07:52:39 PST To: Ufpj-activist > Well worth reading! A great summary of where we (the world) are at, even if there’s no mention of the election tomorrow. https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146 _______________________________________________ ufpj-activist mailing list Post: ufpj-activist at lists.mayfirst.org List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/ufpj-activist To Unsubscribe Send email to: ufpj-activist-unsubscribe at lists.mayfirst.org Or visit: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/options/ufpj-activist/karenaram%40hotmail.com You are subscribed as: karenaram at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 01:13:44 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 01:13:44 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Billl_Blum_w?= =?utf-8?b?cml0ZXPigKY=?= References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: From: "Brussel, Morton K" > Subject: [ufpj-activist] Billl Blum writes… Date: November 7, 2016 at 07:52:39 PST To: Ufpj-activist > Well worth reading! A great summary of where we (the world) are at, even if there’s no mention of the election tomorrow. https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146 _______________________________________________ ufpj-activist mailing list Post: ufpj-activist at lists.mayfirst.org List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/ufpj-activist To Unsubscribe Send email to: ufpj-activist-unsubscribe at lists.mayfirst.org Or visit: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/options/ufpj-activist/karenaram%40hotmail.com You are subscribed as: karenaram at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 01:49:11 2016 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 19:49:11 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Billl_Blum_w?= =?utf-8?b?cml0ZXPigKY=?= In-Reply-To: References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Perhaps a just estimate of the election’s importance. > On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: "Brussel, Morton K" >> Subject: [ufpj-activist] Billl Blum writes… >> Date: November 7, 2016 at 07:52:39 PST >> To: Ufpj-activist >> >> Well worth reading! A great summary of where we (the world) are at, even if there’s no mention of the election tomorrow. >> >> https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146 >> From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 01:49:11 2016 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 19:49:11 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Billl_Blum_w?= =?utf-8?b?cml0ZXPigKY=?= In-Reply-To: References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Perhaps a just estimate of the election’s importance. > On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: "Brussel, Morton K" >> Subject: [ufpj-activist] Billl Blum writes… >> Date: November 7, 2016 at 07:52:39 PST >> To: Ufpj-activist >> >> Well worth reading! A great summary of where we (the world) are at, even if there’s no mention of the election tomorrow. >> >> https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146 >> From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 02:26:05 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 02:26:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Billl_Blum_w?= =?utf-8?b?cml0ZXPigKY=?= In-Reply-To: References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I sure don’t see it. Trump or Clinton we will get the same, the same foreign policy that the powers that be have decreed. Perpetual war, austerity for the working classes, and possibly worse…. > On Nov 8, 2016, at 17:49, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > Perhaps a just estimate of the election’s importance. > > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> From: "Brussel, Morton K" >>> Subject: [ufpj-activist] Billl Blum writes… >>> Date: November 7, 2016 at 07:52:39 PST >>> To: Ufpj-activist >>> >>> Well worth reading! A great summary of where we (the world) are at, even if there’s no mention of the election tomorrow. >>> >>> https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146 >>> From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 02:26:05 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 02:26:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Billl_Blum_w?= =?utf-8?b?cml0ZXPigKY=?= In-Reply-To: References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I sure don’t see it. Trump or Clinton we will get the same, the same foreign policy that the powers that be have decreed. Perpetual war, austerity for the working classes, and possibly worse…. > On Nov 8, 2016, at 17:49, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > Perhaps a just estimate of the election’s importance. > > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> From: "Brussel, Morton K" >>> Subject: [ufpj-activist] Billl Blum writes… >>> Date: November 7, 2016 at 07:52:39 PST >>> To: Ufpj-activist >>> >>> Well worth reading! A great summary of where we (the world) are at, even if there’s no mention of the election tomorrow. >>> >>> https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146 >>> From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 02:32:23 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 02:32:23 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Interview with Chris Hedges Message-ID: People angry, anarchic levels of violence possible after vote – Chris Hedges Published time: 7 Nov, 2016 07:3 The end to the dirtiest presidential race in American history is just around the corner. Candidates marred by scandals and allegations of corruption are running neck and neck. The nation is divided and tensions are running high, as both Trump and Hillary head into the vote with historically low approval ratings. With both candidates loathed by the public, who is going to be the real loser in this race? And with the price tag for the campaign set to exceed a record $6.6 billion dollars, why does the cost of the American elections amount to the budget of a small country? We ask American journalist, Pulitzer prize-winning author – Chris Hedges. Follow @SophieCo_RT Sophie Shevardnadze:Chris Hedges, Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, author, welcome to the show once again, great to have you back. Hillary was seemingly cruising to victory just after the debates - some polls gave her a 10 point lead - and now there’s virtually nothing separating the candidates. Today, if you had a million bucks who’d you bet it on - Clinton or Trump? Chris Hedges: It’s impossible to tell you, because it really will depend on the mood, on the emotions of the voters on election day. That's all these campaigns are about, because they both essentially are neo-liberal candidates who will do nothing to impede imperial expansion and corporate power. The whole campaign has descended to, you know, not surprisingly, to the level of a reality TV show, with presidential debates featuring women who have accused former President Bill Clinton of sexual assault being brought in by Donald Trump; videos - I'll go back to the primaries - of the size of people's genitals. I mean, it's just appalling, but all of that is emblematic of a political system in deep decay and one that no longer revolves around fundamental issues. We know from the Wikileaks emails, the John Podesta emails that were leaked from Hillary Clinton, that there was a calculated effort on a part of a Clinton campaign to promote these fringe candidates - like Trump, and they particularly wanted Trump, because the difference between Hillary Clinton and a more mainstream Republican candidate, like Jeb Bush, is so marginal. So if you had to ask me, I don't think Trump will win, but I don't rule out the possibility that he will win - we have to look at the Brexit polls in Britain... SS: Right. CH: ...And same kind of anger is underway here. SS: The FBI is extending its investigation into the Clinton email case - after obtaining a warrant to search the laptop of Clinton’s closest aide Huma Abedin. The Clinton campaign says the move is political - is the FBI guilty of swaying the vote, like Hillary suggests? CH: To be fair to FBI, they were put in a very difficult position - there are tens of thousands, they say 660,000 emails, we don't really know how many of those, but if the FBI made this discovery and did not make it public, they would be accused, of course, of aiding Clinton campaign. I don't know the motives, but I think we do have to recognise that the FBI, I think, felt correctly, that given the volatility of the campaign and the fact that they had, after the investigation of the Clinton email - she had used a private server - while they certainly felt that it was inappropriate to exonerate her of criminal activity that they felt kind of a responsibility to be transparent. SS: Another FBI investigation showed that the bureau didn’t find any evidence that Trump is tied to the Kremlin, like the Clinton campaign implied - has Hillary’s attempt to play the Russian card failed? CH: I don't know that it's failed, because the media has been quite obsequious in terms of parroting back this narrative, and one of the frustrations of the Wikileaks email dumps, the John Podesta emails, he is her campaign manager, runs her campaign - is that the contents were often overlooked to essentially ask the question: "Is Russia trying to influence the elections?", and as a former investigative reporter for the New York times, this is just not a legitimate question. I spent many-many years, 15 years with the Times, I was elated all sorts of information by all sorts of governments, from the French Intelligence agency to the Israeli Secret Service, the Mossad, to the U.S. government - and these people were not leaking it because they cared about democracy or an open society, they were leaking this information because it was in their interest to do so, and my job, as a reporter, was to determine whether this leaked information was true or untrue - and that's really the only thing the reporter should do with the leaked information on the Podesta emails. But one of the things that as a reporter, as a former investigative reporter, that has disturbed me is that they have - I'm talking about the press, especially about the electronic, commercial corporate press - they have effectively ignored much of what is in the emails to carry up this speculation. Meanwhile, of course, nobody has offered us any evidence that the Trump campaign is linked in any way to Russia or that Russia is responsible for the email dump. SS: We’re used to the fact that ordinary Americans don’t really care about foreign policy, but this campaign has focused a lot on foreign issues and Russia in particular. Are candidates trying to unite the nation by creating the image of a foreign threat? CH: Yeah. It's very disturbing on many levels, the kind of neo-conservative foreign policy cabal led by Robert Kagan and others that is around Clinton. The very people who gave the disastrous Iraq war, are now proposing policies to bait Russia. You know, it makes absolutely no sense to those of us who spend as many, as I did, two decades abroad as a foreign correspondent, except that it plays well politically into this very stunted, peculiar, neocon vision of the world, and that is that everybody out there only understands one language, and that's force. That's how you see these 15 years now of war, the longest war in U.S. history. It's been an utter disaster, utter failure, both in Iraq and Afghanistan, and of course, Syria, and Libya - and yet, what's the response? More bombs, more bombs, more bombs, which created the problems in the first place. SS:Yeah, and do Americans like being scared by a foreign adversary? CH: No, I don't think they "like" it, but it's a very effective form of control. Fear works, and Americans are hardly the only people to use it. Terrorism, the specter of Russia...whatever it is! Fear is a form of social control, and when you have essentially two political parties that are doing corporate bidding that serves the interests of corporate global elites, at the expense of the citizens - they need fear, they need to manufacture fear, and I think that's what we're seeing. SS: Trump has said things along the lines of ‘this election is rigged’ and he’s hinted that he may contend the results, which is kind of like admitting he’ll be defeated. Is this talk backfiring and scaring away voters? Why would people head to the ballots if they think their voice doesn’t count anyway? CH: The Trump's base, primarily white lower-working class, which has been dispossessed through de-industrialisation, is going to head to the polls. They are attempting to work within the system. If the race is close and Trump loses, I think, everything we have seen, given the volatility of Trump, suggests that he will charge that the elections were rigged. We certainly have seen evidence now, from in particular the leaked emails, of the rigging of the primaries on the part of the Democratic National Committee, on behalf of the Clintons. It's pretty clear that Nevada Caucus was stolen, they blocked independents from voting in many of the primaries, in many of the states, and independents were Bernie Sanders' primary base. We just saw a few days ago, a day or two ago, that Clinton was actually leaked questions that would be given to her at a staged... I mean, they call them "Townhalls", they're totally Potemkin-like reality shows, totally scripted - so, it’s enough to look into the inner workings to suggest that these people, the Clinton machine, the Democratic party do not play fair. So, yeah, I think that that is the danger and the danger becomes then, when enraged Trump supporters believe that the system is rigged, the system is broken, it doesn't function fairly - and that becomes dangerous, because these people will resort to kind of anarchic levels of violence. SS: Filmmaker Michael Moore, who you can’t call a Republican-friendly figure exactly, called Trump “a human Molotov cocktail” which desperate poor voters can throw at the system that stole their lives from them. How come a Republican candidate is the candidate of the dispossessed, shouldn’t Hillary be the one taking care of them? CH: Yeah. That is the whole idea, that a billionaire developer is somehow the voice of the dispossessed, but he has tapped into this right-wing populism. This is coupled with a kind of xenophobia, kind of exalted nationalism, and a statement - which is true, of course - that the elites have betrayed the ordinary citizenry. So, when Donald Trump goes to Michigan and stands before the executives from car manufacturers, who are moving their plants over the border, courtesy of NAFTA, to Mexico, and says that if you try to make cars in Mexico, I'll put a 35% tariff on it - this is something that no candidate, in either party, has been saying, and there are many-many really struggling... I mean, half of this country now lives in poverty, people who have been waiting a long time for somebody to stand up and defy these corporate executives and CEOs who have destroyed their lives, the lives of their communities, destroyed the lives of their families. So, in that sense, Trump is not a traditional Republican which is why the Republican establishment itself has united with the Democratic establishment to try and destroy the Trump presidency - much as in 1972, the left-wing insurgent candidate George McGovern saw the establishment of the Democratic party unite with the establishment of the Republican party to elect Richard Nixon. SS: The election is estimated to have cost 6.6 billion dollars so far -that’s including the House and Senate campaign spending, and is likely to end up being even more pricey than that. That’s the whole budget of Bahrain. Elections in India have four times as many voters and cost one billion less. Is this price tag cutting off any truly independent candidate, like Bernie Sanders? CH: You can't compete, unless you can raise that kind of money, unless you can get into debates. Bernie Sanders actually raised significant sums, he didn't do it through corporations, his average campaign contribution was $27 - but yeah, you can't play in this game of political theater, unless you're bankrolled to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. That is the part of the way they lock out third-party candidates, like the Green party candidate Jill Stein. SS:The Democratic party managed to fend off an anti-system challenger - Sanders - how come the Republicans couldn’t find anyone who could defeat Trump? CH: Because the establishment itself is so deeply hated, so when the Republican establishment finally did - they didn't take him seriously in the beginning, and when they did turn on him, they trotted out the former presidential candidate Mitt Romney to attack him, and people just laughed. It's the Romneys, the Bushes, the Clintons, the Obamas, it's that establishment that people are turning against - which is why Hillary Clinton is having such a difficult time competing against such an imbecilic, undisciplined and impulsive and, frankly, ignorant candidate. SS: I'm just wondering - why is the media, even the right-leaning media, which created Trump’s phenomenon - turning on him in this campaign? CH: Two reasons. One - he is attacking the trade agreements, which is how the elites make their money, and secondly, he's a public relations disaster for the U.S. I think those are the two reasons. Maybe, the third reason is that they don't know what they're getting with Trump - nobody knows what they're getting with Trump. Trump doesn't know what he's getting with Trump, and they know that Clinton will maintain both the imperial overreach and the design of the corporate state. So, Clinton’s a sure bet and Trump is just too volatile a candidate, and that's why the establishment has turned on him. SS: PresidentObama has hit the campaign trail to endorse Hillary Clinton - he’s warning that ‘all the progress will go out the window if we don’t make the right choice’. Do you think everything Obama achieved will really go out the window if Trump gets elected? CH: I don't think Obama has achieved very much. His healthcare program which is essentially forcing citizens to buy defective corporate products and we're watching now massive increases, on an average of 22%, and people that have the bronze plan, different levels of plans cannot even afford the kinds of premiums and copayments... - I mean, the whole system is a disaster. His assault on civil liberties has been worse than under Bush, he has expanded imperial wars, in places like Libya, create more failed states. I don't think Obama has much of a legacy. He'll walk out and get rich and will start his own Foundation like the Clintons - there's almost a complete continuity between Bush and Obama. SS: A recent CNN ORC poll says Obama’s approval rating is higher than at any time during his presidency - why is he doing so great now that he’s leaving? Is that his Hillary campaigning paying off? CH: You know, these people run very skilled public relations operations which revolve not around policy but around creating manufactured personalities, and that has been very difficult for Clinton - and that's why Clinton has the second-highest disapproval rating of any Presidential candidate as far as we know in American history, with the exception, of course, of the person she's competing against - Donald Trump. We have to look at what American politics is - it's really about creating feelings, emotions, getting voters to confuse how they are made to feel with knowledge. It is not about actual policies, and both Michelle Obama who has a very high kind of favourability rating and Barack Obama have been skilled in doing that. It's much more difficult, that's part of the problem, for the Clinton campaign. SS: Looking back at the beginning of Obama's presidency, the Nobel committee handed Obama the peace prize in 2009 - not for his accomplishments, but for his intentions. But the promised peace didn’t come to Afghanistan, didn’t come to Iraq, we’re seeing the unravelling of other Middle Eastern states - did Obama’s peace vision not only fail but make things worse? CH: Oh yeah, of course, look at Libya, look at Syria, look at Somalia, look at Iraq, look at Afghanistan, look at Pakistan. No, it's a complete catastrophe. I've spent seven years in the Middle East, I was the Middle East bureau chief for the New York Times, and what we've done is, I would argue, the greatest strategic blunder in American history, and it's one that Obama aided and abetted. The whole idea of him as a peace candidate is... I mean, I kind of gave up on the Nobel Prize Committee, I have no idea why this was done. As you correctly pointed out, he hadn't even done anything. SS: Was it a genuine inability to make things better, were his hands tied? CH: No. He was an establishment candidate, he was selected, anointed and promoted by the Democratic Chicago political machine, which is one of the dirtiest in the country, he got more money in 2008 from Wall St. than the Republican candidate who was against him - McCain. No, he's very cynical...bright, talented, unlike George Bush, but deeply cynical candidate. He brought in the old establishment, including the old Defence Secretary Robert Gates, who had been the Secretary of Defence under Bush, he brought in old these figures like Larry Summers and Geithner who are Wall St. marionettes. No, Obama knew very well what he was doing from the very beginning and effectively... Look, he won Advertising Age's top annual award which was "Marketer of the Year". His campaign did, because the professionals knew just what he done - he functioned as a brand for the corporate state, a very powerful and a very effective one. SS: On the other hand America has restored relations with Cuba and reached a nuclear deal with Iran - both seemed unachievable just a couple of years ago. Do you count those as a Obama's foreign policy successes? CH: Yeah, they are foreign policy successes, but we have to understand that the Pentagon had long fought the neocons call for war with Iran, even under the Bush administration they put a stop to it. So, there was no appetite within the American military establishment for war with Iran anyway. So that wasn't really an option, despite Israeli pressure. In terms of Cuba, it just got to the point of absurdity - the boycott of Cuba, and we must also remember that the second generation of Cuban Americans did not have that kind of hatred towards Fidel Castro and towards the Cuban regime, and so it was politically safer for the Democratic party because the new generation, just like the new second and third generation of Jewish Americans don't have that loyalty to Israel - it wasn't as politically volatile a decision. SS:Obama made ‘global zero’ a strategic objective - however he failed to get America to ban nuclear tests by ratifying the Comprehensive Test Ban treaty, while the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moved the Doomsday Clock to ‘three minutes to midnight’ - that is to a nuclear war. Why did Obama’s promise to ‘reduce the role of nuclear weapons in American foreign policy’ backfire? CH: Because the military-industrial establishment is so powerful in the United States that politicians serve its interests. They don't dictate what the interests of that industry is - officialy, it swallows about 53% of our discretionary budget, but that, of course, masks huge other expenditures, including for our nuclear weapon systems, which isn't counted for Veteran's affairs, which is huge for, if you want to count, the security and surveillance state, which is officially hidden, but probably at least a hundred billion dollars... We're starving the rest of society to do that, and you can't fight these wars. Indeed, if you were watching the Bernie Sander's campaign, Sanders did not take on imperial adventurism or the military establishment - because you can't, within the American political system - and Obama, I think, is an example of that. SS: Police shootings of unarmed black men have sparked massive protests and the Black lives matter movement - does Obama being the first black president actually mean little for race troubles in the U.S.? CH: It means nothing, because you have de-industrialised urban centres, i.e. places that once had factories and jobs, which are now in ruins - you walk through them and it's boarded up factories and pothole streets and crumbling infrastructure, dysfunctional schools, and there are no jobs. So you have created mini police states in these marginal communities, where police can serve, as we see, as Judge, Jury and Executioner - three in one. Americans, almost all poor people of colour, are shot by police in this country every day, and it's a form of social control, along, of course, with mass incarceration. We have 25% of the world's prison population and 4% of the world's population - most of those imprisoned are poor people of colour. So, when you've taken away the possibility for jobs and with it the possibilities for hope, for advancement, for inclusion within both the economic and political system - then you need these very harsh forms of controls in order to keep people, essentially, fenced in. That's why these killings don't stop, it doesn't matter how many protests are carried out, and Obama has quite sadly betrayed, if we go back especially to 2008 and even to 2012, his primary base - African-Americans voted in staggering numbers for Obama, I think, 90% or something. Almost that high, and yet life for African-Americans, I would argue, after 8 years of Obama, is worse than when he took power. SS: We've been talking to Chris Hedges, author, Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, talking about the ups and downs of 2016 U.S. Presidential Campaign, and the end of the Obama era as the Americans are gearing up to choose their next President tomorrow. We'll of course be watching the vote closely. That's it for this edition of SophieCo, I will see you next time. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 02:35:57 2016 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 20:35:57 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Interview with Chris Hedges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: “... anarchic levels of violence possible after vote”? Does that seem likely to anyone outside of the Clinton campaign? —CGE > On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > People angry, anarchic levels of violence possible after vote – Chris Hedges > Published time: 7 Nov, 2016 07:3 > The end to the dirtiest presidential race in American history is just around the corner. Candidates marred by scandals and allegations of corruption are running neck and neck. The nation is divided and tensions are running high, as both Trump and Hillary head into the vote with historically low approval ratings. With both candidates loathed by the public, who is going to be the real loser in this race? And with the price tag for the campaign set to exceed a record $6.6 billion dollars, why does the cost of the American elections amount to the budget of a small country? We ask American journalist, Pulitzer prize-winning author – Chris Hedges. > Follow @SophieCo_RT > Sophie Shevardnadze:Chris Hedges, Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, author, welcome to the show once again, great to have you back. Hillary was seemingly cruising to victory just after the debates - some polls gave her a 10 point lead - and now there’s virtually nothing separating the candidates. Today, if you had a million bucks who’d you bet it on - Clinton or Trump? > Chris Hedges: It’s impossible to tell you, because it really will depend on the mood, on the emotions of the voters on election day. That's all these campaigns are about, because they both essentially are neo-liberal candidates who will do nothing to impede imperial expansion and corporate power. The whole campaign has descended to, you know, not surprisingly, to the level of a reality TV show, with presidential debates featuring women who have accused former President Bill Clinton of sexual assault being brought in by Donald Trump; videos - I'll go back to the primaries - of the size of people's genitals. I mean, it's just appalling, but all of that is emblematic of a political system in deep decay and one that no longer revolves around fundamental issues. We know from the Wikileaks emails, the John Podesta emails that were leaked from Hillary Clinton, that there was a calculated effort on a part of a Clinton campaign to promote these fringe candidates - like Trump, and they particularly wanted Trump, because the difference between Hillary Clinton and a more mainstream Republican candidate, like Jeb Bush, is so marginal. So if you had to ask me, I don't think Trump will win, but I don't rule out the possibility that he will win - we have to look at the Brexit polls in Britain... > SS: Right. > CH: ...And same kind of anger is underway here. > SS: The FBI is extending its investigation into the Clinton email case - after obtaining a warrant to search the laptop of Clinton’s closest aide Huma Abedin. The Clinton campaign says the move is political - is the FBI guilty of swaying the vote, like Hillary suggests? > CH: To be fair to FBI, they were put in a very difficult position - there are tens of thousands, they say 660,000 emails, we don't really know how many of those, but if the FBI made this discovery and did not make it public, they would be accused, of course, of aiding Clinton campaign. I don't know the motives, but I think we do have to recognise that the FBI, I think, felt correctly, that given the volatility of the campaign and the fact that they had, after the investigation of the Clinton email - she had used a private server - while they certainly felt that it was inappropriate to exonerate her of criminal activity that they felt kind of a responsibility to be transparent. > SS: Another FBI investigation showed that the bureau didn’t find any evidence that Trump is tied to the Kremlin, like the Clinton campaign implied - has Hillary’s attempt to play the Russian card failed? > CH: I don't know that it's failed, because the media has been quite obsequious in terms of parroting back this narrative, and one of the frustrations of the Wikileaks email dumps, the John Podesta emails, he is her campaign manager, runs her campaign - is that the contents were often overlooked to essentially ask the question: "Is Russia trying to influence the elections?", and as a former investigative reporter for the New York times, this is just not a legitimate question. I spent many-many years, 15 years with the Times, I was elated all sorts of information by all sorts of governments, from the French Intelligence agency to the Israeli Secret Service, the Mossad, to the U.S. government - and these people were not leaking it because they cared about democracy or an open society, they were leaking this information because it was in their interest to do so, and my job, as a reporter, was to determine whether this leaked information was true or untrue - and that's really the only thing the reporter should do with the leaked information on the Podesta emails. But one of the things that as a reporter, as a former investigative reporter, that has disturbed me is that they have - I'm talking about the press, especially about the electronic, commercial corporate press - they have effectively ignored much of what is in the emails to carry up this speculation. Meanwhile, of course, nobody has offered us any evidence that the Trump campaign is linked in any way to Russia or that Russia is responsible for the email dump. > SS: We’re used to the fact that ordinary Americans don’t really care about foreign policy, but this campaign has focused a lot on foreign issues and Russia in particular. Are candidates trying to unite the nation by creating the image of a foreign threat? > CH: Yeah. It's very disturbing on many levels, the kind of neo-conservative foreign policy cabal led by Robert Kagan and others that is around Clinton. The very people who gave the disastrous Iraq war, are now proposing policies to bait Russia. You know, it makes absolutely no sense to those of us who spend as many, as I did, two decades abroad as a foreign correspondent, except that it plays well politically into this very stunted, peculiar, neocon vision of the world, and that is that everybody out there only understands one language, and that's force. That's how you see these 15 years now of war, the longest war in U.S. history. It's been an utter disaster, utter failure, both in Iraq and Afghanistan, and of course, Syria, and Libya - and yet, what's the response? More bombs, more bombs, more bombs, which created the problems in the first place. > SS:Yeah, and do Americans like being scared by a foreign adversary? > CH: No, I don't think they "like" it, but it's a very effective form of control. Fear works, and Americans are hardly the only people to use it. Terrorism, the specter of Russia...whatever it is! Fear is a form of social control, and when you have essentially two political parties that are doing corporate bidding that serves the interests of corporate global elites, at the expense of the citizens - they need fear, they need to manufacture fear, and I think that's what we're seeing. > SS: Trump has said things along the lines of ‘this election is rigged’ and he’s hinted that he may contend the results, which is kind of like admitting he’ll be defeated. Is this talk backfiring and scaring away voters? Why would people head to the ballots if they think their voice doesn’t count anyway? > CH: The Trump's base, primarily white lower-working class, which has been dispossessed through de-industrialisation, is going to head to the polls. They are attempting to work within the system. If the race is close and Trump loses, I think, everything we have seen, given the volatility of Trump, suggests that he will charge that the elections were rigged. We certainly have seen evidence now, from in particular the leaked emails, of the rigging of the primaries on the part of the Democratic National Committee, on behalf of the Clintons. It's pretty clear that Nevada Caucus was stolen, they blocked independents from voting in many of the primaries, in many of the states, and independents were Bernie Sanders' primary base. We just saw a few days ago, a day or two ago, that Clinton was actually leaked questions that would be given to her at a staged... I mean, they call them "Townhalls", they're totally Potemkin-like reality shows, totally scripted - so, it’s enough to look into the inner workings to suggest that these people, the Clinton machine, the Democratic party do not play fair. So, yeah, I think that that is the danger and the danger becomes then, when enraged Trump supporters believe that the system is rigged, the system is broken, it doesn't function fairly - and that becomes dangerous, because these people will resort to kind of anarchic levels of violence. > SS: Filmmaker Michael Moore, who you can’t call a Republican-friendly figure exactly, called Trump “a human Molotov cocktail” which desperate poor voters can throw at the system that stole their lives from them. How come a Republican candidate is the candidate of the dispossessed, shouldn’t Hillary be the one taking care of them? > CH: Yeah. That is the whole idea, that a billionaire developer is somehow the voice of the dispossessed, but he has tapped into this right-wing populism. This is coupled with a kind of xenophobia, kind of exalted nationalism, and a statement - which is true, of course - that the elites have betrayed the ordinary citizenry. So, when Donald Trump goes to Michigan and stands before the executives from car manufacturers, who are moving their plants over the border, courtesy of NAFTA, to Mexico, and says that if you try to make cars in Mexico, I'll put a 35% tariff on it - this is something that no candidate, in either party, has been saying, and there are many-many really struggling... I mean, half of this country now lives in poverty, people who have been waiting a long time for somebody to stand up and defy these corporate executives and CEOs who have destroyed their lives, the lives of their communities, destroyed the lives of their families. So, in that sense, Trump is not a traditional Republican which is why the Republican establishment itself has united with the Democratic establishment to try and destroy the Trump presidency - much as in 1972, the left-wing insurgent candidate George McGovern saw the establishment of the Democratic party unite with the establishment of the Republican party to elect Richard Nixon. > SS: The election is estimated to have cost 6.6 billion dollars so far -that’s including the House and Senate campaign spending, and is likely to end up being even more pricey than that. That’s the whole budget of Bahrain. Elections in India have four times as many voters and cost one billion less. Is this price tag cutting off any truly independent candidate, like Bernie Sanders? > CH: You can't compete, unless you can raise that kind of money, unless you can get into debates. Bernie Sanders actually raised significant sums, he didn't do it through corporations, his average campaign contribution was $27 - but yeah, you can't play in this game of political theater, unless you're bankrolled to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. That is the part of the way they lock out third-party candidates, like the Green party candidate Jill Stein. > SS:The Democratic party managed to fend off an anti-system challenger - Sanders - how come the Republicans couldn’t find anyone who could defeat Trump? > CH: Because the establishment itself is so deeply hated, so when the Republican establishment finally did - they didn't take him seriously in the beginning, and when they did turn on him, they trotted out the former presidential candidate Mitt Romney to attack him, and people just laughed. It's the Romneys, the Bushes, the Clintons, the Obamas, it's that establishment that people are turning against - which is why Hillary Clinton is having such a difficult time competing against such an imbecilic, undisciplined and impulsive and, frankly, ignorant candidate. > SS: I'm just wondering - why is the media, even the right-leaning media, which created Trump’s phenomenon - turning on him in this campaign? > CH: Two reasons. One - he is attacking the trade agreements, which is how the elites make their money, and secondly, he's a public relations disaster for the U.S. I think those are the two reasons. Maybe, the third reason is that they don't know what they're getting with Trump - nobody knows what they're getting with Trump. Trump doesn't know what he's getting with Trump, and they know that Clinton will maintain both the imperial overreach and the design of the corporate state. So, Clinton’s a sure bet and Trump is just too volatile a candidate, and that's why the establishment has turned on him. > SS: PresidentObama has hit the campaign trail to endorse Hillary Clinton - he’s warning that ‘all the progress will go out the window if we don’t make the right choice’. Do you think everything Obama achieved will really go out the window if Trump gets elected? > CH: I don't think Obama has achieved very much. His healthcare program which is essentially forcing citizens to buy defective corporate products and we're watching now massive increases, on an average of 22%, and people that have the bronze plan, different levels of plans cannot even afford the kinds of premiums and copayments... - I mean, the whole system is a disaster. His assault on civil liberties has been worse than under Bush, he has expanded imperial wars, in places like Libya, create more failed states. I don't think Obama has much of a legacy. He'll walk out and get rich and will start his own Foundation like the Clintons - there's almost a complete continuity between Bush and Obama. > SS: A recent CNN ORC poll says Obama’s approval rating is higher than at any time during his presidency - why is he doing so great now that he’s leaving? Is that his Hillary campaigning paying off? > CH: You know, these people run very skilled public relations operations which revolve not around policy but around creating manufactured personalities, and that has been very difficult for Clinton - and that's why Clinton has the second-highest disapproval rating of any Presidential candidate as far as we know in American history, with the exception, of course, of the person she's competing against - Donald Trump. We have to look at what American politics is - it's really about creating feelings, emotions, getting voters to confuse how they are made to feel with knowledge. It is not about actual policies, and both Michelle Obama who has a very high kind of favourability rating and Barack Obama have been skilled in doing that. It's much more difficult, that's part of the problem, for the Clinton campaign. > SS: Looking back at the beginning of Obama's presidency, the Nobel committee handed Obama the peace prize in 2009 - not for his accomplishments, but for his intentions. But the promised peace didn’t come to Afghanistan, didn’t come to Iraq, we’re seeing the unravelling of other Middle Eastern states - did Obama’s peace vision not only fail but make things worse? > CH: Oh yeah, of course, look at Libya, look at Syria, look at Somalia, look at Iraq, look at Afghanistan, look at Pakistan. No, it's a complete catastrophe. I've spent seven years in the Middle East, I was the Middle East bureau chief for the New York Times, and what we've done is, I would argue, the greatest strategic blunder in American history, and it's one that Obama aided and abetted. The whole idea of him as a peace candidate is... I mean, I kind of gave up on the Nobel Prize Committee, I have no idea why this was done. As you correctly pointed out, he hadn't even done anything. > SS: Was it a genuine inability to make things better, were his hands tied? > CH: No. He was an establishment candidate, he was selected, anointed and promoted by the Democratic Chicago political machine, which is one of the dirtiest in the country, he got more money in 2008 from Wall St. than the Republican candidate who was against him - McCain. No, he's very cynical...bright, talented, unlike George Bush, but deeply cynical candidate. He brought in the old establishment, including the old Defence Secretary Robert Gates, who had been the Secretary of Defence under Bush, he brought in old these figures like Larry Summers and Geithner who are Wall St. marionettes. No, Obama knew very well what he was doing from the very beginning and effectively... Look, he won Advertising Age's top annual award which was "Marketer of the Year". His campaign did, because the professionals knew just what he done - he functioned as a brand for the corporate state, a very powerful and a very effective one. > SS: On the other hand America has restored relations with Cuba and reached a nuclear deal with Iran - both seemed unachievable just a couple of years ago. Do you count those as a Obama's foreign policy successes? > CH: Yeah, they are foreign policy successes, but we have to understand that the Pentagon had long fought the neocons call for war with Iran, even under the Bush administration they put a stop to it. So, there was no appetite within the American military establishment for war with Iran anyway. So that wasn't really an option, despite Israeli pressure. In terms of Cuba, it just got to the point of absurdity - the boycott of Cuba, and we must also remember that the second generation of Cuban Americans did not have that kind of hatred towards Fidel Castro and towards the Cuban regime, and so it was politically safer for the Democratic party because the new generation, just like the new second and third generation of Jewish Americans don't have that loyalty to Israel - it wasn't as politically volatile a decision. > SS:Obama made ‘global zero’ a strategic objective - however he failed to get America to ban nuclear tests by ratifying the Comprehensive Test Ban treaty, while the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moved the Doomsday Clock to ‘three minutes to midnight’ - that is to a nuclear war. Why did Obama’s promise to ‘reduce the role of nuclear weapons in American foreign policy’ backfire? > CH: Because the military-industrial establishment is so powerful in the United States that politicians serve its interests. They don't dictate what the interests of that industry is - officialy, it swallows about 53% of our discretionary budget, but that, of course, masks huge other expenditures, including for our nuclear weapon systems, which isn't counted for Veteran's affairs, which is huge for, if you want to count, the security and surveillance state, which is officially hidden, but probably at least a hundred billion dollars... We're starving the rest of society to do that, and you can't fight these wars. Indeed, if you were watching the Bernie Sander's campaign, Sanders did not take on imperial adventurism or the military establishment - because you can't, within the American political system - and Obama, I think, is an example of that. > SS: Police shootings of unarmed black men have sparked massive protests and the Black lives matter movement - does Obama being the first black president actually mean little for race troubles in the U.S.? > CH: It means nothing, because you have de-industrialised urban centres, i.e. places that once had factories and jobs, which are now in ruins - you walk through them and it's boarded up factories and pothole streets and crumbling infrastructure, dysfunctional schools, and there are no jobs. So you have created mini police states in these marginal communities, where police can serve, as we see, as Judge, Jury and Executioner - three in one. Americans, almost all poor people of colour, are shot by police in this country every day, and it's a form of social control, along, of course, with mass incarceration. We have 25% of the world's prison population and 4% of the world's population - most of those imprisoned are poor people of colour. So, when you've taken away the possibility for jobs and with it the possibilities for hope, for advancement, for inclusion within both the economic and political system - then you need these very harsh forms of controls in order to keep people, essentially, fenced in. That's why these killings don't stop, it doesn't matter how many protests are carried out, and Obama has quite sadly betrayed, if we go back especially to 2008 and even to 2012, his primary base - African-Americans voted in staggering numbers for Obama, I think, 90% or something. Almost that high, and yet life for African-Americans, I would argue, after 8 years of Obama, is worse than when he took power. > SS: We've been talking to Chris Hedges, author, Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, talking about the ups and downs of 2016 U.S. Presidential Campaign, and the end of the Obama era as the Americans are gearing up to choose their next President tomorrow. We'll of course be watching the vote closely. That's it for this edition of SophieCo, I will see you next time. > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 02:36:48 2016 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 20:36:48 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Billl_Blum_w?= =?utf-8?b?cml0ZXPigKY=?= In-Reply-To: References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <13ACD2EF-2F5B-438C-9B55-3C2F78C3DC04@illinois.edu> Yes. > On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > I sure don’t see it. > Trump or Clinton we will get the same, the same foreign policy that the powers that be have decreed. Perpetual war, austerity for the working classes, and possibly worse…. > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 17:49, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> Perhaps a just estimate of the election’s importance. >> >> >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> From: "Brussel, Morton K" >>>> Subject: [ufpj-activist] Billl Blum writes… >>>> Date: November 7, 2016 at 07:52:39 PST >>>> To: Ufpj-activist >>>> >>>> Well worth reading! A great summary of where we (the world) are at, even if there’s no mention of the election tomorrow. >>>> >>>> https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146 >>>> > From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 02:36:48 2016 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 20:36:48 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Billl_Blum_w?= =?utf-8?b?cml0ZXPigKY=?= In-Reply-To: References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <13ACD2EF-2F5B-438C-9B55-3C2F78C3DC04@illinois.edu> Yes. > On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > I sure don’t see it. > Trump or Clinton we will get the same, the same foreign policy that the powers that be have decreed. Perpetual war, austerity for the working classes, and possibly worse…. > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 17:49, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> Perhaps a just estimate of the election’s importance. >> >> >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> From: "Brussel, Morton K" >>>> Subject: [ufpj-activist] Billl Blum writes… >>>> Date: November 7, 2016 at 07:52:39 PST >>>> To: Ufpj-activist >>>> >>>> Well worth reading! A great summary of where we (the world) are at, even if there’s no mention of the election tomorrow. >>>> >>>> https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146 >>>> > From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 02:43:28 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 02:43:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Billl_Blum_w?= =?utf-8?b?cml0ZXPigKY=?= In-Reply-To: <13ACD2EF-2F5B-438C-9B55-3C2F78C3DC04@illinois.edu> References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> <13ACD2EF-2F5B-438C-9B55-3C2F78C3DC04@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I also don’t believe that the "powers that be" have any intention of allowing Trump to win, it’s been planned since the destruction of Libya, that Clinton will the next US President, she will do her masters bidding. Trump has made certain that she will win, by scaring the hell out of mainstream Americans with his rhetoric in respect to women, immigrants and people of color. No one is looking at what Hillary has done or is responsible for, because the MSM is so controlled, by the powers that be. > On Nov 8, 2016, at 18:36, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Yes. > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> I sure don’t see it. >> Trump or Clinton we will get the same, the same foreign policy that the powers that be have decreed. Perpetual war, austerity for the working classes, and possibly worse…. >> >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 17:49, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps a just estimate of the election’s importance. >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>> From: "Brussel, Morton K" >>>>> Subject: [ufpj-activist] Billl Blum writes… >>>>> Date: November 7, 2016 at 07:52:39 PST >>>>> To: Ufpj-activist >>>>> >>>>> Well worth reading! A great summary of where we (the world) are at, even if there’s no mention of the election tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146 >>>>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 02:43:28 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 02:43:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Billl_Blum_w?= =?utf-8?b?cml0ZXPigKY=?= In-Reply-To: <13ACD2EF-2F5B-438C-9B55-3C2F78C3DC04@illinois.edu> References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> <13ACD2EF-2F5B-438C-9B55-3C2F78C3DC04@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I also don’t believe that the "powers that be" have any intention of allowing Trump to win, it’s been planned since the destruction of Libya, that Clinton will the next US President, she will do her masters bidding. Trump has made certain that she will win, by scaring the hell out of mainstream Americans with his rhetoric in respect to women, immigrants and people of color. No one is looking at what Hillary has done or is responsible for, because the MSM is so controlled, by the powers that be. > On Nov 8, 2016, at 18:36, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Yes. > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> I sure don’t see it. >> Trump or Clinton we will get the same, the same foreign policy that the powers that be have decreed. Perpetual war, austerity for the working classes, and possibly worse…. >> >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 17:49, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >>> >>> Perhaps a just estimate of the election’s importance. >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>> From: "Brussel, Morton K" >>>>> Subject: [ufpj-activist] Billl Blum writes… >>>>> Date: November 7, 2016 at 07:52:39 PST >>>>> To: Ufpj-activist >>>>> >>>>> Well worth reading! A great summary of where we (the world) are at, even if there’s no mention of the election tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> https://williamblum.org/aer/read/146 >>>>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 02:45:21 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 02:45:21 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Interview with Chris Hedges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The title is inflammatory, if you read the whole article Hedges predictions aren’t far off. > On Nov 8, 2016, at 18:35, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > “... anarchic levels of violence possible after vote”? > > Does that seem likely to anyone outside of the Clinton campaign? > > —CGE > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: >> >> People angry, anarchic levels of violence possible after vote – Chris Hedges >> Published time: 7 Nov, 2016 07:3 >> The end to the dirtiest presidential race in American history is just around the corner. Candidates marred by scandals and allegations of corruption are running neck and neck. The nation is divided and tensions are running high, as both Trump and Hillary head into the vote with historically low approval ratings. With both candidates loathed by the public, who is going to be the real loser in this race? And with the price tag for the campaign set to exceed a record $6.6 billion dollars, why does the cost of the American elections amount to the budget of a small country? We ask American journalist, Pulitzer prize-winning author – Chris Hedges. >> Follow @SophieCo_RT >> Sophie Shevardnadze:Chris Hedges, Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, author, welcome to the show once again, great to have you back. Hillary was seemingly cruising to victory just after the debates - some polls gave her a 10 point lead - and now there’s virtually nothing separating the candidates. Today, if you had a million bucks who’d you bet it on - Clinton or Trump? >> Chris Hedges: It’s impossible to tell you, because it really will depend on the mood, on the emotions of the voters on election day. That's all these campaigns are about, because they both essentially are neo-liberal candidates who will do nothing to impede imperial expansion and corporate power. The whole campaign has descended to, you know, not surprisingly, to the level of a reality TV show, with presidential debates featuring women who have accused former President Bill Clinton of sexual assault being brought in by Donald Trump; videos - I'll go back to the primaries - of the size of people's genitals. I mean, it's just appalling, but all of that is emblematic of a political system in deep decay and one that no longer revolves around fundamental issues. We know from the Wikileaks emails, the John Podesta emails that were leaked from Hillary Clinton, that there was a calculated effort on a part of a Clinton campaign to promote these fringe candidates - like Trump, and they particularly wanted Trump, because the difference between Hillary Clinton and a more mainstream Republican candidate, like Jeb Bush, is so marginal. So if you had to ask me, I don't think Trump will win, but I don't rule out the possibility that he will win - we have to look at the Brexit polls in Britain... >> SS: Right. >> CH: ...And same kind of anger is underway here. >> SS: The FBI is extending its investigation into the Clinton email case - after obtaining a warrant to search the laptop of Clinton’s closest aide Huma Abedin. The Clinton campaign says the move is political - is the FBI guilty of swaying the vote, like Hillary suggests? >> CH: To be fair to FBI, they were put in a very difficult position - there are tens of thousands, they say 660,000 emails, we don't really know how many of those, but if the FBI made this discovery and did not make it public, they would be accused, of course, of aiding Clinton campaign. I don't know the motives, but I think we do have to recognise that the FBI, I think, felt correctly, that given the volatility of the campaign and the fact that they had, after the investigation of the Clinton email - she had used a private server - while they certainly felt that it was inappropriate to exonerate her of criminal activity that they felt kind of a responsibility to be transparent. >> SS: Another FBI investigation showed that the bureau didn’t find any evidence that Trump is tied to the Kremlin, like the Clinton campaign implied - has Hillary’s attempt to play the Russian card failed? >> CH: I don't know that it's failed, because the media has been quite obsequious in terms of parroting back this narrative, and one of the frustrations of the Wikileaks email dumps, the John Podesta emails, he is her campaign manager, runs her campaign - is that the contents were often overlooked to essentially ask the question: "Is Russia trying to influence the elections?", and as a former investigative reporter for the New York times, this is just not a legitimate question. I spent many-many years, 15 years with the Times, I was elated all sorts of information by all sorts of governments, from the French Intelligence agency to the Israeli Secret Service, the Mossad, to the U.S. government - and these people were not leaking it because they cared about democracy or an open society, they were leaking this information because it was in their interest to do so, and my job, as a reporter, was to determine whether this leaked information was true or untrue - and that's really the only thing the reporter should do with the leaked information on the Podesta emails. But one of the things that as a reporter, as a former investigative reporter, that has disturbed me is that they have - I'm talking about the press, especially about the electronic, commercial corporate press - they have effectively ignored much of what is in the emails to carry up this speculation. Meanwhile, of course, nobody has offered us any evidence that the Trump campaign is linked in any way to Russia or that Russia is responsible for the email dump. >> SS: We’re used to the fact that ordinary Americans don’t really care about foreign policy, but this campaign has focused a lot on foreign issues and Russia in particular. Are candidates trying to unite the nation by creating the image of a foreign threat? >> CH: Yeah. It's very disturbing on many levels, the kind of neo-conservative foreign policy cabal led by Robert Kagan and others that is around Clinton. The very people who gave the disastrous Iraq war, are now proposing policies to bait Russia. You know, it makes absolutely no sense to those of us who spend as many, as I did, two decades abroad as a foreign correspondent, except that it plays well politically into this very stunted, peculiar, neocon vision of the world, and that is that everybody out there only understands one language, and that's force. That's how you see these 15 years now of war, the longest war in U.S. history. It's been an utter disaster, utter failure, both in Iraq and Afghanistan, and of course, Syria, and Libya - and yet, what's the response? More bombs, more bombs, more bombs, which created the problems in the first place. >> SS:Yeah, and do Americans like being scared by a foreign adversary? >> CH: No, I don't think they "like" it, but it's a very effective form of control. Fear works, and Americans are hardly the only people to use it. Terrorism, the specter of Russia...whatever it is! Fear is a form of social control, and when you have essentially two political parties that are doing corporate bidding that serves the interests of corporate global elites, at the expense of the citizens - they need fear, they need to manufacture fear, and I think that's what we're seeing. >> SS: Trump has said things along the lines of ‘this election is rigged’ and he’s hinted that he may contend the results, which is kind of like admitting he’ll be defeated. Is this talk backfiring and scaring away voters? Why would people head to the ballots if they think their voice doesn’t count anyway? >> CH: The Trump's base, primarily white lower-working class, which has been dispossessed through de-industrialisation, is going to head to the polls. They are attempting to work within the system. If the race is close and Trump loses, I think, everything we have seen, given the volatility of Trump, suggests that he will charge that the elections were rigged. We certainly have seen evidence now, from in particular the leaked emails, of the rigging of the primaries on the part of the Democratic National Committee, on behalf of the Clintons. It's pretty clear that Nevada Caucus was stolen, they blocked independents from voting in many of the primaries, in many of the states, and independents were Bernie Sanders' primary base. We just saw a few days ago, a day or two ago, that Clinton was actually leaked questions that would be given to her at a staged... I mean, they call them "Townhalls", they're totally Potemkin-like reality shows, totally scripted - so, it’s enough to look into the inner workings to suggest that these people, the Clinton machine, the Democratic party do not play fair. So, yeah, I think that that is the danger and the danger becomes then, when enraged Trump supporters believe that the system is rigged, the system is broken, it doesn't function fairly - and that becomes dangerous, because these people will resort to kind of anarchic levels of violence. >> SS: Filmmaker Michael Moore, who you can’t call a Republican-friendly figure exactly, called Trump “a human Molotov cocktail” which desperate poor voters can throw at the system that stole their lives from them. How come a Republican candidate is the candidate of the dispossessed, shouldn’t Hillary be the one taking care of them? >> CH: Yeah. That is the whole idea, that a billionaire developer is somehow the voice of the dispossessed, but he has tapped into this right-wing populism. This is coupled with a kind of xenophobia, kind of exalted nationalism, and a statement - which is true, of course - that the elites have betrayed the ordinary citizenry. So, when Donald Trump goes to Michigan and stands before the executives from car manufacturers, who are moving their plants over the border, courtesy of NAFTA, to Mexico, and says that if you try to make cars in Mexico, I'll put a 35% tariff on it - this is something that no candidate, in either party, has been saying, and there are many-many really struggling... I mean, half of this country now lives in poverty, people who have been waiting a long time for somebody to stand up and defy these corporate executives and CEOs who have destroyed their lives, the lives of their communities, destroyed the lives of their families. So, in that sense, Trump is not a traditional Republican which is why the Republican establishment itself has united with the Democratic establishment to try and destroy the Trump presidency - much as in 1972, the left-wing insurgent candidate George McGovern saw the establishment of the Democratic party unite with the establishment of the Republican party to elect Richard Nixon. >> SS: The election is estimated to have cost 6.6 billion dollars so far -that’s including the House and Senate campaign spending, and is likely to end up being even more pricey than that. That’s the whole budget of Bahrain. Elections in India have four times as many voters and cost one billion less. Is this price tag cutting off any truly independent candidate, like Bernie Sanders? >> CH: You can't compete, unless you can raise that kind of money, unless you can get into debates. Bernie Sanders actually raised significant sums, he didn't do it through corporations, his average campaign contribution was $27 - but yeah, you can't play in this game of political theater, unless you're bankrolled to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. That is the part of the way they lock out third-party candidates, like the Green party candidate Jill Stein. >> SS:The Democratic party managed to fend off an anti-system challenger - Sanders - how come the Republicans couldn’t find anyone who could defeat Trump? >> CH: Because the establishment itself is so deeply hated, so when the Republican establishment finally did - they didn't take him seriously in the beginning, and when they did turn on him, they trotted out the former presidential candidate Mitt Romney to attack him, and people just laughed. It's the Romneys, the Bushes, the Clintons, the Obamas, it's that establishment that people are turning against - which is why Hillary Clinton is having such a difficult time competing against such an imbecilic, undisciplined and impulsive and, frankly, ignorant candidate. >> SS: I'm just wondering - why is the media, even the right-leaning media, which created Trump’s phenomenon - turning on him in this campaign? >> CH: Two reasons. One - he is attacking the trade agreements, which is how the elites make their money, and secondly, he's a public relations disaster for the U.S. I think those are the two reasons. Maybe, the third reason is that they don't know what they're getting with Trump - nobody knows what they're getting with Trump. Trump doesn't know what he's getting with Trump, and they know that Clinton will maintain both the imperial overreach and the design of the corporate state. So, Clinton’s a sure bet and Trump is just too volatile a candidate, and that's why the establishment has turned on him. >> SS: PresidentObama has hit the campaign trail to endorse Hillary Clinton - he’s warning that ‘all the progress will go out the window if we don’t make the right choice’. Do you think everything Obama achieved will really go out the window if Trump gets elected? >> CH: I don't think Obama has achieved very much. His healthcare program which is essentially forcing citizens to buy defective corporate products and we're watching now massive increases, on an average of 22%, and people that have the bronze plan, different levels of plans cannot even afford the kinds of premiums and copayments... - I mean, the whole system is a disaster. His assault on civil liberties has been worse than under Bush, he has expanded imperial wars, in places like Libya, create more failed states. I don't think Obama has much of a legacy. He'll walk out and get rich and will start his own Foundation like the Clintons - there's almost a complete continuity between Bush and Obama. >> SS: A recent CNN ORC poll says Obama’s approval rating is higher than at any time during his presidency - why is he doing so great now that he’s leaving? Is that his Hillary campaigning paying off? >> CH: You know, these people run very skilled public relations operations which revolve not around policy but around creating manufactured personalities, and that has been very difficult for Clinton - and that's why Clinton has the second-highest disapproval rating of any Presidential candidate as far as we know in American history, with the exception, of course, of the person she's competing against - Donald Trump. We have to look at what American politics is - it's really about creating feelings, emotions, getting voters to confuse how they are made to feel with knowledge. It is not about actual policies, and both Michelle Obama who has a very high kind of favourability rating and Barack Obama have been skilled in doing that. It's much more difficult, that's part of the problem, for the Clinton campaign. >> SS: Looking back at the beginning of Obama's presidency, the Nobel committee handed Obama the peace prize in 2009 - not for his accomplishments, but for his intentions. But the promised peace didn’t come to Afghanistan, didn’t come to Iraq, we’re seeing the unravelling of other Middle Eastern states - did Obama’s peace vision not only fail but make things worse? >> CH: Oh yeah, of course, look at Libya, look at Syria, look at Somalia, look at Iraq, look at Afghanistan, look at Pakistan. No, it's a complete catastrophe. I've spent seven years in the Middle East, I was the Middle East bureau chief for the New York Times, and what we've done is, I would argue, the greatest strategic blunder in American history, and it's one that Obama aided and abetted. The whole idea of him as a peace candidate is... I mean, I kind of gave up on the Nobel Prize Committee, I have no idea why this was done. As you correctly pointed out, he hadn't even done anything. >> SS: Was it a genuine inability to make things better, were his hands tied? >> CH: No. He was an establishment candidate, he was selected, anointed and promoted by the Democratic Chicago political machine, which is one of the dirtiest in the country, he got more money in 2008 from Wall St. than the Republican candidate who was against him - McCain. No, he's very cynical...bright, talented, unlike George Bush, but deeply cynical candidate. He brought in the old establishment, including the old Defence Secretary Robert Gates, who had been the Secretary of Defence under Bush, he brought in old these figures like Larry Summers and Geithner who are Wall St. marionettes. No, Obama knew very well what he was doing from the very beginning and effectively... Look, he won Advertising Age's top annual award which was "Marketer of the Year". His campaign did, because the professionals knew just what he done - he functioned as a brand for the corporate state, a very powerful and a very effective one. >> SS: On the other hand America has restored relations with Cuba and reached a nuclear deal with Iran - both seemed unachievable just a couple of years ago. Do you count those as a Obama's foreign policy successes? >> CH: Yeah, they are foreign policy successes, but we have to understand that the Pentagon had long fought the neocons call for war with Iran, even under the Bush administration they put a stop to it. So, there was no appetite within the American military establishment for war with Iran anyway. So that wasn't really an option, despite Israeli pressure. In terms of Cuba, it just got to the point of absurdity - the boycott of Cuba, and we must also remember that the second generation of Cuban Americans did not have that kind of hatred towards Fidel Castro and towards the Cuban regime, and so it was politically safer for the Democratic party because the new generation, just like the new second and third generation of Jewish Americans don't have that loyalty to Israel - it wasn't as politically volatile a decision. >> SS:Obama made ‘global zero’ a strategic objective - however he failed to get America to ban nuclear tests by ratifying the Comprehensive Test Ban treaty, while the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists moved the Doomsday Clock to ‘three minutes to midnight’ - that is to a nuclear war. Why did Obama’s promise to ‘reduce the role of nuclear weapons in American foreign policy’ backfire? >> CH: Because the military-industrial establishment is so powerful in the United States that politicians serve its interests. They don't dictate what the interests of that industry is - officialy, it swallows about 53% of our discretionary budget, but that, of course, masks huge other expenditures, including for our nuclear weapon systems, which isn't counted for Veteran's affairs, which is huge for, if you want to count, the security and surveillance state, which is officially hidden, but probably at least a hundred billion dollars... We're starving the rest of society to do that, and you can't fight these wars. Indeed, if you were watching the Bernie Sander's campaign, Sanders did not take on imperial adventurism or the military establishment - because you can't, within the American political system - and Obama, I think, is an example of that. >> SS: Police shootings of unarmed black men have sparked massive protests and the Black lives matter movement - does Obama being the first black president actually mean little for race troubles in the U.S.? >> CH: It means nothing, because you have de-industrialised urban centres, i.e. places that once had factories and jobs, which are now in ruins - you walk through them and it's boarded up factories and pothole streets and crumbling infrastructure, dysfunctional schools, and there are no jobs. So you have created mini police states in these marginal communities, where police can serve, as we see, as Judge, Jury and Executioner - three in one. Americans, almost all poor people of colour, are shot by police in this country every day, and it's a form of social control, along, of course, with mass incarceration. We have 25% of the world's prison population and 4% of the world's population - most of those imprisoned are poor people of colour. So, when you've taken away the possibility for jobs and with it the possibilities for hope, for advancement, for inclusion within both the economic and political system - then you need these very harsh forms of controls in order to keep people, essentially, fenced in. That's why these killings don't stop, it doesn't matter how many protests are carried out, and Obama has quite sadly betrayed, if we go back especially to 2008 and even to 2012, his primary base - African-Americans voted in staggering numbers for Obama, I think, 90% or something. Almost that high, and yet life for African-Americans, I would argue, after 8 years of Obama, is worse than when he took power. >> SS: We've been talking to Chris Hedges, author, Pulitzer-prize winning journalist, talking about the ups and downs of 2016 U.S. Presidential Campaign, and the end of the Obama era as the Americans are gearing up to choose their next President tomorrow. We'll of course be watching the vote closely. That's it for this edition of SophieCo, I will see you next time. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 03:03:22 2016 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 21:03:22 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Prediction In-Reply-To: References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <3FB0DD33-FC62-4412-95EA-D93056577344@illinois.edu> Jeffrey St Clair (of Counterpunch) writes, "If Trump wins, liberals will have no way to process the results. It's beyond their conception. Their brains will simply melt.” From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 03:03:22 2016 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 21:03:22 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Prediction In-Reply-To: References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <3FB0DD33-FC62-4412-95EA-D93056577344@illinois.edu> Jeffrey St Clair (of Counterpunch) writes, "If Trump wins, liberals will have no way to process the results. It's beyond their conception. Their brains will simply melt.” From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 03:09:44 2016 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2016 21:09:44 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Prediction In-Reply-To: References: <156B8A14-4542-4AAB-8B7A-9DC0467406A5@illinois.edu> <3FB0DD33-FC62-4412-95EA-D93056577344@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <56ABA44F-28FD-4D45-8338-0C9BB830F91E@illinois.edu> Female voters in Florida split evenly between Trump & Clinton! > On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > :) yeah, just now I heard from Helbig, asking how we will deal with ISIS, hugs? Incredible. > > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 19:03, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> Jeffrey St Clair (of Counterpunch) writes, "If Trump wins, liberals will have no way to process the results. It's beyond their conception. Their brains will simply melt.” >> >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 11:56:17 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 11:56:17 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Message-ID: A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died by ZIG ZAG (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died ... Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 12:24:47 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 12:24:47 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, establishment supported Hillary out of power. On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died by ZIG ZAG (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died ... Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 12:57:30 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 12:57:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:25 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; Jay Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, establishment supported Hillary out of power. On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died by ZIG ZAG (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died ... Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 13:06:57 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:06:57 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At the request of Jeff and Bryan, I have removed them from my list. Adios! There is no such thing as “vilification” of War Criminals and Psychopaths like Clinton, Killer Koh, Slaughtered, Power and this entire Gang of Dem War Criminals and Psychopaths. They are just the Sons and the Daughters of the Best and the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. And if we are just lucky, removing them from power just might have avoided war with Russia—as Karen pointed out in her Letter to the News Gazette. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:58 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; Jay Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:25 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, establishment supported Hillary out of power. On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died by ZIG ZAG (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died ... Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 13:08:39 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:08:39 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:25 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, establishment supported Hillary out of power. On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died by ZIG ZAG (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died ... Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 13:18:42 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:18:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stick your callow indifference up where the sun don’t shine! Fab. At the request of Jeff and Bryan, I have removed them from my list. Adios! There is no such thing as “vilification” of War Criminals and Psychopaths like Clinton, Killer Koh, Slaughtered, Power and this entire Gang of Dem War Criminals and Psychopaths. They are just the Sons and the Daughters of the Best and the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. And if we are just lucky, removing them from power just might have avoided war with Russia—as Karen pointed out in her Letter to the News Gazette. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Bryan Savage [mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 7:15 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; Jay Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:25 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, establishment supported Hillary out of power. On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died by ZIG ZAG (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died ... Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 13:44:59 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:44:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something no one is talking about, the Republicans have taken both the House and Senate. Republicans are generally war hawks, supporting the military, and policies of austerity. With a Republican Presidency we are likely to see more of the same we’ve had under the Democrats. What we may see is more transparency, in that the Republicans will be obvious, unlike the Democrats who say one thing, then do another. On Nov 9, 2016, at 05:18, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Stick your callow indifference up where the sun don’t shine! Fab. At the request of Jeff and Bryan, I have removed them from my list. Adios! There is no such thing as “vilification” of War Criminals and Psychopaths like Clinton, Killer Koh, Slaughtered, Power and this entire Gang of Dem War Criminals and Psychopaths. They are just the Sons and the Daughters of the Best and the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. And if we are just lucky, removing them from power just might have avoided war with Russia—as Karen pointed out in her Letter to the News Gazette. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Bryan Savage [mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 7:15 AM To: Karen Aram > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:25 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, establishment supported Hillary out of power. On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died by ZIG ZAG (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died ... Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 13:46:44 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 13:46:44 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, climate change, I forgot to mention the Republicans are generally climate change deniers. If that doesn’t spell doom I don’t know what does. On Nov 9, 2016, at 05:44, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Something no one is talking about, the Republicans have taken both the House and Senate. Republicans are generally war hawks, supporting the military, and policies of austerity. With a Republican Presidency we are likely to see more of the same we’ve had under the Democrats. What we may see is more transparency, in that the Republicans will be obvious, unlike the Democrats who say one thing, then do another. On Nov 9, 2016, at 05:18, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Stick your callow indifference up where the sun don’t shine! Fab. At the request of Jeff and Bryan, I have removed them from my list. Adios! There is no such thing as “vilification” of War Criminals and Psychopaths like Clinton, Killer Koh, Slaughtered, Power and this entire Gang of Dem War Criminals and Psychopaths. They are just the Sons and the Daughters of the Best and the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. And if we are just lucky, removing them from power just might have avoided war with Russia—as Karen pointed out in her Letter to the News Gazette. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Bryan Savage [mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 7:15 AM To: Karen Aram > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:25 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, establishment supported Hillary out of power. On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died by ZIG ZAG (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died ... Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 14:23:19 2016 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (stuartnlevy) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2016 08:23:19 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: David Swanson: "Now We Can Finally Get to Work" Message-ID: -------- Original message --------From: David Swanson Date: 11/9/16 03:22 (GMT-06:00) To: David Swanson Subject: [ufpj-activist] Now We Can Finally Get to Work Now We Can Finally Get to Work By David Swanson http://davidswanson.org/node/5341 Dear Democrats, Are you finding yourselves suddenly a bit doubtful of the wisdom of drone wars? Presidential wars without Congress? Massive investment in new, smaller, "more usable" nuclear weapons? The expansion of bases across Africa and Asia? Are you disturbed by the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Yemen? Can total surveillance and the persecution of whistleblowers hit a point where they've gone too far? Is the new Cold War with Russia looking less than ideal now? How about the militarization of U.S. police: is it time to consider alternatives to that? I hear you. I'm with you. Let's build a movement together to end the madness of constantly overthrowing governments with bombs. Let's propose nonviolent alternatives to a culture gone mad with war. Let's end the mindset that creates war in the first place. We have opportunities as well as dangers. A President Trump is unpredictable. He wants to proliferate nuclear weapons, bomb people, kill people, stir up hatred of people, and increase yet further military spending. But he also said the new Cold War was a bad idea. He said he wanted to end NATO, not to mention NAFTA, as well as breaking the habit of overthrowing countries left and right. Trump seems to immediately back off such positions under the slightest pressure. Will he adhere to them under massive pressure from across the political spectrum? It's worth a try. We have an opportunity to build a movement that includes a focus on and participation from refugees/immigrants. We have a chance to create opposition to racist wars and racism at home. We may just discover that what's left of the U.S. labor movement is suddenly more open to opposing wars. Environmental groups may find a willingness to oppose the world's top destroyer of the environment: the U.S. military. Civil liberties groups may at long last be willing to take on the militarism that creates the atrocities they oppose. We have to work for such a broader movement. We have to build on the trend of protesting the national anthem and make it a trend of actively resisting the greatest purveyor of violence on earth. I know you're feeling a little beat down at the moment. You shouldn't. You had a winning candidate in Bernie Sanders. Your party cheated him out of the nomination. All that stuff you tell yourselves about encouraging demographic trends and the better positions of young people is all true. You just looked for love in all the wrong places. Running an unpopular candidate in a broken election system is not the way to change the world. Even a working election system would not be the central means by which to improve anything. There's no getting back the mountains of money and energy invested in this election. But activism is an unlimited resource. Directing your energies now in more strategic directions can inspire others who in turn can re-inspire you.   Dear Republicans, Your outsider is threatening insiderness. He's got the same tribe of DC corporate lobbyists planning his nominations that Hillary Clinton had lined up for hers. Can we resist that trend? Can we insist that the wars be ended? Can those moments of off-the-cuff honesty about dinosaurs like NATO be turned into actual action? Donald Trump took a lot of heat for proposing to be fair to Palestinians as well as Israelis, and he backed off fast. Can we encourage him to stand behind that initial inclination? Can we stop the Trans-Pacific Partnership and end NAFTA as well? We heard a million speeches about how bad NAFTA is. How about actually ending it? Can we stop the looming war supplemental spending bill? Can we put a swift halt to efforts in Congress to repeal the right to sue Saudi Arabia and other nations for their wars and lesser acts of terrorism? How about all that well deserved disgust with the corporate media? Can we actually break up that cartel and allow opportunities for media entrepreneurs?   Dear United States, Donald Trump admitted we had a broken election system and for a while pretended that he would operate outside of it by funding his own campaign. It's time to actually fix it. It's time to end the system of legalized bribery, fund elections, make registration automatic, make election day a holiday, end gerrymandering, eliminate the electoral college, create the right to vote, create the public hand-counting of paper ballots at every polling place, and create ranked choice voting as Maine just did. Voter suppression efforts in this year's elections should be prosecuted in each state. And any indications of fraud in vote counting by machines should be investigated. We should take the opportunity created by all the McCarthyist nonsense allegations of Russian interference to get rid of unverifiable voting. There are also areas in which localities and states, as well as international organizations and alliances, must now step up to take the lead. First and foremost is investing in a serious effort to avoid climate catastrophe. Second is addressing inequality that has surpassed the Middle Ages: both taxing the overclass and upholding the underclass must be pursued creatively. Mass incarceration and militarized police are problems that states can solve. But we can advance a positive agenda across the board by understanding this election in the way that much of the world will understand it: as a vote against endless war. Let's end the wars, end the weapons dealing, close the bases, and cut the $1 trillion a year going into the military. Hell, why not demand that a businessman president for the first time ever audit the Pentagon and find out what it's spending money on?   Dear World, We apologize for having elected President Trump as well as for nearly electing President Clinton. Many of you believe we defeated the representative of the enlightenment in favor of the sexist racist buffoon. This may be a good thing. Or at least it may be preferable to your eight-year-long delusion that President Obama was a man of peace and justice. I hate to break it to you, but the United States government has been intent on dominating the rest of you since the day it was formed. If electing an obnoxious president helps you understand that, so much the better. Stop joining in U.S. "humanitarian wars" please. They never were humanitarian, and if you can recognize that now, so much the better. The new guy openly wants to "steal their oil." So did the last several presidents, although none of them said so. Are we awake now? Shut down the U.S. bases in your country. They represent your subservience to Donald Trump. Close them. Want to save the earth's climate? Build a nonviolent movement that resists destructive agendas coming out of the United States. Want to uphold the rule of law, diplomacy, aid, decency, and humanitarianism? Stop making exceptions for U.S. crimes. Tell the International Criminal Court to indict a non-African. Prosecute the crime and crimes of war in your own courts. Stop cooperating in the surrounding and threatening of Russia, China, and Iran. Clinton wanted to send weapons to Ukraine and bomb Syria. Make sure Trump doesn't. Make peace in Ukraine and Syria before January. It's time that we all began treating the institution of war as the unacceptable vestige of barbarism that it can appear when given an openly racist, sexist, bigoted face. We have the ability to use nonviolent tools to direct the world where we want it to go. We have to stop believing the two big lies: that we are generally powerless, and that our only power lies in elections. Let's finally get active. Let's start by ending war making. -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Wed Nov 9 14:43:05 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 08:43:05 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE > On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage wrote: > > did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: > > > > take me off this list. > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. >> On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. >> Fab. >> From futureup2us at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 14:47:23 2016 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 08:47:23 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <2A53DB53-B469-4C9F-899E-212614A8972B@gmail.com> I couldn’t agree with you more about HRC demonizing herself. She is a war criminal with a proven record that deserves vilification, and more. However, I see nothing to celebrate in Trump’s triumph. I think all of us on this email chain recognize and are gearing up for the struggles to come. I thought you’d be interested in Revolution newspaper’s comment below. Good news: Students and young people have been out in the streets already! A time for daring, not despair... Jay 5 a.m., November 9, 2016. A vile fascist has been elected President of the United States. There must be no illusions that somehow this will be OK. It won't. Every immigrant, woman, Black, Latino, Native American, Muslim or differently gendered person... every person who cares about the planet, every person with even an elementary sense of justice and compassion—all over the world—has reason to hurt and be concerned for the future like never before. All that Trump represents must not stand. Starting today, there must be massive resistance to everything Donald Trump represents and every reactionary measure that he has promised to deliver. This is a time for courage, not despair. Struggle, not retreat, escape or conciliation. Donald Trump promised to “Make America Great Again.” Hillary Clinton countered that America was already great. The reality: America Was Never Great. This country has been a nightmare from its founding with enslavement of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans, continuing through theft of Mexico and on through the endless wars and invasions of countries and peoples around the world while here at home the horror is unrelenting for tens of millions. The American nightmare is real, and it has just gotten more horrific. But, this too is real: Donald Trump is a grotesque representative of a system that has a name—capitalism-imperialism—and this system means, and can only mean, misery and horrors for majority of humanity. Through the whole election process this vicious buffoon has been treated as a legitimate candidate for president. Any system that treats such a racist and misogynist fascist as legitimate reveals itself to be illegitimate. There should be no illusions or rationalizations to explain this reality away. And, the fact that there has been and will continue to be such intense ugly infighting among the ruling class reveals a system facing major challenges and in crisis, and potential openings and freedom to be wrenched for the struggle of the people for a radically new and better world. Trump represents an even more grotesque and openly murderous form of this system, and his attacks against the people should be met with massive resistance. But what is needed will NOT be to return to what has been, continuing the same brutal system, its crimes and horrors. What is needed and possible is a radically new society, and a radically different kind of state, that will open the way and lead finally to the abolition of all forms of oppressive and repressive rule and all relations of domination and exploitation, throughout the world. This is a society charted and embodied in the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. This path-breaking work is authored by Bob Avakian, architect of the new communism, and the leader of the revolution—an ACTUAL revolution, to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time. HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution , from the Central Committee of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA starts with this foundational point: An actual revolution does not mean trying to make some changes withinthis system—it means overthrowing this system and bringing into being a radically different and far better system. This system of capitalism-imperialism cannot be reformed. There is no way, under this system, to put an end to the brutality and murder by police, the wars and destruction of people and the environment, the exploitation, oppression and degradation of millions and billions of people, including the half of humanity that is female, here and throughout the world—all of which is rooted in profound contradictions built into the basic functioning, relations, and structures of this system. Only an actual revolution can bring about the fundamental change that is needed. This is a time for Daring. People need to be in the streets and getting into, and getting with, the revolution. See "As news of Trump's election hits: Protests Erupt Across the Country " > On Nov 9, 2016, at 08:43, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > > HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. > > For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. > > There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. > > --CGE > >> On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage wrote: >> >> did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: >> >> >> >> take me off this list. >> >> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. >>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. >>> Fab. >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 14:47:33 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 14:47:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: [Peace] Fwd: David Swanson: "Now We Can Finally Get to Work" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A very fine and uplifting essay by David at this most difficult and dangerous time in our Nation’s History and the History of the World. Kudos! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of stuartnlevy via Peace Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:23 AM To: Peace Discuss Cc: Levy, Stuart A Subject: [Peace] Fwd: David Swanson: "Now We Can Finally Get to Work" -------- Original message -------- From: David Swanson > Date: 11/9/16 03:22 (GMT-06:00) To: David Swanson > Subject: [ufpj-activist] Now We Can Finally Get to Work Now We Can Finally Get to Work By David Swanson http://davidswanson.org/node/5341 Dear Democrats, Are you finding yourselves suddenly a bit doubtful of the wisdom of drone wars? Presidential wars without Congress? Massive investment in new, smaller, "more usable" nuclear weapons? The expansion of bases across Africa and Asia? Are you disturbed by the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Yemen? Can total surveillance and the persecution of whistleblowers hit a point where they've gone too far? Is the new Cold War with Russia looking less than ideal now? How about the militarization of U.S. police: is it time to consider alternatives to that? I hear you. I'm with you. Let's build a movement together to end the madness of constantly overthrowing governments with bombs. Let's propose nonviolent alternatives to a culture gone mad with war. Let's end the mindset that creates war in the first place. We have opportunities as well as dangers. A President Trump is unpredictable. He wants to proliferate nuclear weapons, bomb people, kill people, stir up hatred of people, and increase yet further military spending. But he also said the new Cold War was a bad idea. He said he wanted to end NATO, not to mention NAFTA, as well as breaking the habit of overthrowing countries left and right. Trump seems to immediately back off such positions under the slightest pressure. Will he adhere to them under massive pressure from across the political spectrum? It's worth a try. We have an opportunity to build a movement that includes a focus on and participation from refugees/immigrants. We have a chance to create opposition to racist wars and racism at home. We may just discover that what's left of the U.S. labor movement is suddenly more open to opposing wars. Environmental groups may find a willingness to oppose the world's top destroyer of the environment: the U.S. military. Civil liberties groups may at long last be willing to take on the militarism that creates the atrocities they oppose. We have to work for such a broader movement. We have to build on the trend of protesting the national anthem and make it a trend of actively resisting the greatest purveyor of violence on earth. I know you're feeling a little beat down at the moment. You shouldn't. You had a winning candidate in Bernie Sanders. Your party cheated him out of the nomination. All that stuff you tell yourselves about encouraging demographic trends and the better positions of young people is all true. You just looked for love in all the wrong places. Running an unpopular candidate in a broken election system is not the way to change the world. Even a working election system would not be the central means by which to improve anything. There's no getting back the mountains of money and energy invested in this election. But activism is an unlimited resource. Directing your energies now in more strategic directions can inspire others who in turn can re-inspire you. Dear Republicans, Your outsider is threatening insiderness. He's got the same tribe of DC corporate lobbyists planning his nominations that Hillary Clinton had lined up for hers. Can we resist that trend? Can we insist that the wars be ended? Can those moments of off-the-cuff honesty about dinosaurs like NATO be turned into actual action? Donald Trump took a lot of heat for proposing to be fair to Palestinians as well as Israelis, and he backed off fast. Can we encourage him to stand behind that initial inclination? Can we stop the Trans-Pacific Partnership and end NAFTA as well? We heard a million speeches about how bad NAFTA is. How about actually ending it? Can we stop the looming war supplemental spending bill? Can we put a swift halt to efforts in Congress to repeal the right to sue Saudi Arabia and other nations for their wars and lesser acts of terrorism? How about all that well deserved disgust with the corporate media? Can we actually break up that cartel and allow opportunities for media entrepreneurs? Dear United States, Donald Trump admitted we had a broken election system and for a while pretended that he would operate outside of it by funding his own campaign. It's time to actually fix it. It's time to end the system of legalized bribery, fund elections, make registration automatic, make election day a holiday, end gerrymandering, eliminate the electoral college, create the right to vote, create the public hand-counting of paper ballots at every polling place, and create ranked choice voting as Maine just did. Voter suppression efforts in this year's elections should be prosecuted in each state. And any indications of fraud in vote counting by machines should be investigated. We should take the opportunity created by all the McCarthyist nonsense allegations of Russian interference to get rid of unverifiable voting. There are also areas in which localities and states, as well as international organizations and alliances, must now step up to take the lead. First and foremost is investing in a serious effort to avoid climate catastrophe. Second is addressing inequality that has surpassed the Middle Ages: both taxing the overclass and upholding the underclass must be pursued creatively. Mass incarceration and militarized police are problems that states can solve. But we can advance a positive agenda across the board by understanding this election in the way that much of the world will understand it: as a vote against endless war. Let's end the wars, end the weapons dealing, close the bases, and cut the $1 trillion a year going into the military. Hell, why not demand that a businessman president for the first time ever audit the Pentagon and find out what it's spending money on? Dear World, We apologize for having elected President Trump as well as for nearly electing President Clinton. Many of you believe we defeated the representative of the enlightenment in favor of the sexist racist buffoon. This may be a good thing. Or at least it may be preferable to your eight-year-long delusion that President Obama was a man of peace and justice. I hate to break it to you, but the United States government has been intent on dominating the rest of you since the day it was formed. If electing an obnoxious president helps you understand that, so much the better. Stop joining in U.S. "humanitarian wars" please. They never were humanitarian, and if you can recognize that now, so much the better. The new guy openly wants to "steal their oil." So did the last several presidents, although none of them said so. Are we awake now? Shut down the U.S. bases in your country. They represent your subservience to Donald Trump. Close them. Want to save the earth's climate? Build a nonviolent movement that resists destructive agendas coming out of the United States. Want to uphold the rule of law, diplomacy, aid, decency, and humanitarianism? Stop making exceptions for U.S. crimes. Tell the International Criminal Court to indict a non-African. Prosecute the crime and crimes of war in your own courts. Stop cooperating in the surrounding and threatening of Russia, China, and Iran. Clinton wanted to send weapons to Ukraine and bomb Syria. Make sure Trump doesn't. Make peace in Ukraine and Syria before January. It's time that we all began treating the institution of war as the unacceptable vestige of barbarism that it can appear when given an openly racist, sexist, bigoted face. We have the ability to use nonviolent tools to direct the world where we want it to go. We have to stop believing the two big lies: that we are generally powerless, and that our only power lies in elections. Let's finally get active. Let's start by ending war making. -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From abass10 at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 14:51:57 2016 From: abass10 at gmail.com (Amanda Bass) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 08:51:57 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: I supported Jill Stein who, as we saw last night, pulled only .9% of the popular vote. It's thus a red herring to suggest that her supporters were "spoilers." The democratic party establishment (and those who buy into it) has no one to blame but themselves for Trump's ascendance to power: it sabatoged and conspired against the campaign of a populist candidate (Bernie Sanders) in order to put forward someone (Hillary Clinton) despised by many--including by many white blue collar workers who spoke loudly and clearly last night. Amanda On Nov 9, 2016 7:43 AM, "C. G. Estabrook" wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE > On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage wrote: > > did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: > > > > take me off this list. > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. >> On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. >> Fab. >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abass10 at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 14:53:38 2016 From: abass10 at gmail.com (Amanda Bass) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 08:53:38 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Not to mention the policies of neoliberalism which Obama has championed these last 8 years... On Nov 9, 2016 7:51 AM, "Amanda Bass" wrote: > I supported Jill Stein who, as we saw last night, pulled only .9% of the > popular vote. It's thus a red herring to suggest that her supporters were > "spoilers." The democratic party establishment (and those who buy into it) > has no one to blame but themselves for Trump's ascendance to power: it > sabatoged and conspired against the campaign of a populist candidate > (Bernie Sanders) in order to put forward someone (Hillary Clinton) despised > by many--including by many white blue collar workers who spoke loudly and > clearly last night. > > Amanda > > On Nov 9, 2016 7:43 AM, "C. G. Estabrook" > wrote: > > HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on > behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. > > For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a > neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is > both. > > There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate > change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still > have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war > movement - and the world at large. > > --CGE > > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage wrote: > > > > did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third > parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this > list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no > part in electing this: > > > > > > > > take me off this list. > > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: > > We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given > what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to > think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has > a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. > >> On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > >> > >> For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for > her the last time too. > >> Fab. > >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 14:57:06 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 14:57:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: <2A53DB53-B469-4C9F-899E-212614A8972B@gmail.com> References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> <2A53DB53-B469-4C9F-899E-212614A8972B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah Jay—Civil Resistance is the way to go! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law ROWMAN & LITTLEFIELD 4501 Forbes Blvd., Suite 200 Lanham, Maryland 20706 LITTLEFIELD (800) 462-6420 www.RowmanLittlefield.com PROTESTING POWER WAR, RESISTANCE, AND LAW By Francis A. Boyle “If you believe Dante may be right, that “the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of moral crisis, remain neutral,” you need this book…If you are concerned that our country lives by its Constitution and laws, its often-proclaimed principles . . . you too should read this book. . ..If you cherish freedom, here is your chance to learn how much you have. A person ignorant of her rights has little advantage over those who have none,” —Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General “Francis Boyle, who has distinguished himself again and again as a fierce and brilliant defender of international law and human rights, now takes his mission one step further. He lays out a comprehensive argument in defense of citizens who commit civil resistance to protest illegal governmental aggressions and war crimes. He does so with impeccable research, stylistic elegance, and devastating evidence. This is an invaluable and powerful handbook for citizens who dare to challenge our war-makers,” —Howard Zinn “In this expert and lucid manual, international lawyer Francis Boyle focuses his attention on civil resistance, a category that he distinguishes sharply from civil disobedience. Civil resistance, he persuasively argues, is a ‘basic right’ of American citizens under international and domestic law, as ‘it is the civil-resisters who are the sheriffs, and the U.S. government officials committing state crimes are the outlaws.’ The historical and legal analysis provides information and understanding of inestimable value to all citizens who care about their country.” —Noam Chomsky “Francis Boyle has, once again, given us a valuable lesson in current history and invaluable insight into the role that lawyers must now play in defending human rights. He reminds us also that the significant cases are not ‘about the lawyers.’ We lawyers are called upon to give voice to the struggles and aspirations of others. This book will help us learn to play that role,” —Michael F. Tigar, Washington College of Law and Chair, ABA Section of Litigation, 1989-1990 In this indispensable book, distinguished activist lawyer Francis Boyle sounds an impassioned clarion call to citizen action against Bush administration policies, both domestic and international. Especially since the Reagan Administration, hundreds of thousands of Americans have used non-violent civil resistance to protest against elements of U.S. policy that violate basic principles of international law, the United States Constitution, and human rights. Such citizen protests have led to an unprecedented number of arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. Boyle, who has spent his career advising and defending civil resisters, explores how international law can be used to question the legality of specific U.S. government foreign and domestic policies. He focuses especially on the aftermath of 9/11 and the implications of the war on Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, the war on Iraq, the doctrine of preventive warfare, and the domestic abridgement of civil rights. Written for concerned citizens, activists, NGOs, civil resisters, their supporters, and their lawyers, Protesting Power provides the best legal and constitutional arguments to support and defend civil resistance activities. Including a number of compelling excerpts from his own trial appearances as an expert witness and as counsel, the author offers inspirational and practical advice for protesters who find themselves in court. This invaluable book stands alone as the only guide available on how to use international law, constitutional law, and the laws of war to defend peaceful non-violent protesters against governmental policies that are illegal and criminal. About the Author Francis Boyle is professor of law at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. A Harvard law graduate, for the past twenty years he has been involved as lawyer and/or witness in the major cases challenging U.S. defense policy, notably nuclear issues, and, in recent years, preemptive wars. He speaks and writes regularly on civil resistance and antiwar issues. War and Peace Library series November 2007, 256 pages ISBN 0-7425-3892-3 / 978-0-7425-3892-4 $24.95 paper ISBN 0-7425-3891-5 / 978-0-7425-3891-7 $75.00 cloth Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (Voice) 217-244-1478 (Fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:47 AM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: Bryan Savage ; Karen Aram ; Boyle, Francis A ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" I couldn’t agree with you more about HRC demonizing herself. She is a war criminal with a proven record that deserves vilification, and more. However, I see nothing to celebrate in Trump’s triumph. I think all of us on this email chain recognize and are gearing up for the struggles to come. I thought you’d be interested in Revolution newspaper’s comment below. Good news: Students and young people have been out in the streets already! A time for daring, not despair... Jay 5 a.m., November 9, 2016. A vile fascist has been elected President of the United States. There must be no illusions that somehow this will be OK. It won't. Every immigrant, woman, Black, Latino, Native American, Muslim or differently gendered person... every person who cares about the planet, every person with even an elementary sense of justice and compassion—all over the world—has reason to hurt and be concerned for the future like never before. All that Trump represents must not stand. Starting today, there must be massive resistance to everything Donald Trump represents and every reactionary measure that he has promised to deliver. This is a time for courage, not despair. Struggle, not retreat, escape or conciliation. Donald Trump promised to “Make America Great Again.” Hillary Clinton countered that America was already great. The reality: America Was Never Great. This country has been a nightmare from its founding with enslavement of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans, continuing through theft of Mexico and on through the endless wars and invasions of countries and peoples around the world while here at home the horror is unrelenting for tens of millions. The American nightmare is real, and it has just gotten more horrific. But, this too is real: Donald Trump is a grotesque representative of a system that has a name—capitalism-imperialism—and this system means, and can only mean, misery and horrors for majority of humanity. Through the whole election process this vicious buffoon has been treated as a legitimate candidate for president. Any system that treats such a racist and misogynist fascist as legitimate reveals itself to be illegitimate. There should be no illusions or rationalizations to explain this reality away. And, the fact that there has been and will continue to be such intense ugly infighting among the ruling class reveals a system facing major challenges and in crisis, and potential openings and freedom to be wrenched for the struggle of the people for a radically new and better world. Trump represents an even more grotesque and openly murderous form of this system, and his attacks against the people should be met with massive resistance. But what is needed will NOT be to return to what has been, continuing the same brutal system, its crimes and horrors. What is needed and possible is a radically new society, and a radically different kind of state, that will open the way and lead finally to the abolition of all forms of oppressive and repressive rule and all relations of domination and exploitation, throughout the world. This is a society charted and embodied in the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. This path-breaking work is authored by Bob Avakian, architect of the new communism, and the leader of the revolution—an ACTUAL revolution, to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time. HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution, from the Central Committee of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA starts with this foundational point: An actual revolution does not mean trying to make some changes withinthis system—it means overthrowing this system and bringing into being a radically different and far better system. This system of capitalism-imperialism cannot be reformed. There is no way, under this system, to put an end to the brutality and murder by police, the wars and destruction of people and the environment, the exploitation, oppression and degradation of millions and billions of people, including the half of humanity that is female, here and throughout the world—all of which is rooted in profound contradictions built into the basic functioning, relations, and structures of this system. Only an actual revolution can bring about the fundamental change that is needed. This is a time for Daring. People need to be in the streets and getting into, and getting with, the revolution. See "As news of Trump's election hits: Protests Erupt Across the Country" On Nov 9, 2016, at 08:43, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage > wrote: did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 15:03:35 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:03:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Excuse me. Years ago, you abandoned the Law and the Peace Movement in order to make money. You have no right or standing to attack those of us standing up for the Rule of Law and Peace. Go back to Mammon! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Bryan Savage [mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:53 AM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: Karen Aram ; Boyle, Francis A ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; Jay Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" oh Carl, the news is great. here'a a list of the great things 1. Secretary of State Gingrich, 2. Attorney General Giuliani, 3. Transportation Secretary Christie, 4 Ambassador to the UN Palin. 5. End of healthcare for millions, 6 End of the EPA, t 7. End of National Parks. 8. Hope your daughters don't need contraceptives or abortions, 9. Hope your kids enjoy watching Social Security evaporate just before they need it. 10.Thanks for nuclear proliferation. 11. The end of addressing climate change 12. The continued denial of science 13. The beginnings of a Fascist Theocracy 14 A supreme court that will strip us of our civil rights Thanks for your staunch principles and your righteous stands. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 8:43 AM, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE > On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage > wrote: > > did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: > > > > take me off this list. > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: > We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. >> On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: >> >> For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. >> Fab. >> -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moboct1 at aim.com Wed Nov 9 15:31:39 2016 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 10:31:39 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] We Came, We Saw, S/he Died In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15849b74cae-1bf6-14a70@webprd-a89.mail.aol.com> I woke up about 2 am and turned on the radio just in time to hear the Trumpet blow (Hillary's concession message by phone followed about an hour later)!  Imagine having to hear that horn for four more years or until America gets "Great" Again, but at least we won't have to listen to Hillary's yelling anymore.  According to the DNC/dacc it's all my fault their candidate lost for not sending in my daily $3 (after they found out Bernie could make millions from small donors).  If all it takes to win is $$ then I guess Golden-Sachs, Lynda & Stewart Resnick and Haim Saban (among other bileionaires (except Declan Kelly anymore after Chelsea complained about his "using" her father) who also let her down by not imparting enough of their blessings on her campaign.  I guess the Trumpet got more largess from the likes of Sheldon Adleson (the snake) and other purchasers of democracy, but I let Hill down by not giving my last buck (excuse me, vote).  Now she can save her vocal cords for 20/20 (heck, Bernie was that old), or else return to Little Rock with Bill, where he can resume his life of snorting and whoring ouside the limelight.  No more stress of choosing the next drone kill or pushback from disgruntled liberals when she approves Keystone Pipeline and TPP.  Now the Clintons can schmooze in privacy with the Sauds, Wall Street buddies, relax with Bibi along the banks of the Dead (sic) Sea and cavort with the Resnicks and the rich and famous.  She didn't marry so far down to a guy from Hope!  Wait'll next time! Midge O'Brien@     -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss To: Karen Aram Cc: Peace Discuss ; C. G. Estabrook ; Jay ; Readel, Karin ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 ; C. G. Estabrook ; Bryan Savage ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Amanda Bass ; Dave Trippel ; Boyle, Francis A ; mickalideh ; Lina Thorne ; chicago Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2016 7:47 am Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Oh, climate change, I forgot to mention the Republicans are generally climate change deniers. If that doesn’t spell doom I don’t know what does. On Nov 9, 2016, at 05:44, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: Something no one is talking about, the Republicans have taken both the House and Senate. Republicans are generally war hawks, supporting the military, and policies of austerity. With a Republican Presidency we are likely to see more of the same we’ve had under the Democrats. What we may see is more transparency, in that the Republicans will be obvious, unlike the Democrats who say one thing, then do another.  On Nov 9, 2016, at 05:18, Boyle, Francis A wrote: Stick your callow indifference up where the sun don’t shine! Fab. At the request of Jeff and Bryan, I have removed them from my  list. Adios! There is no such thing as “vilification”  of  War Criminals and  Psychopaths like Clinton, Killer Koh, Slaughtered, Power and this entire Gang of Dem War Criminals and Psychopaths. They are just the Sons and the Daughters of the Best and the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. And if we are just lucky, removing them from power just might have avoided war with Russia—as Karen pointed out in her Letter to the News Gazette. Fab.       Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   From: Bryan Savage [mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com]  Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 7:15 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; Jay Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died"   did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office?  or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this:     take me off this list.   On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A wrote:   For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab.   Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com]  Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:25 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Belden Fields ; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List ; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; Jay Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died"   YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, establishment supported Hillary out of power.  On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A wrote:   A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law   Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   From: Boyle, Francis A  Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died"   Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us  Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26–   Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com]  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died"   Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died    by ZIG ZAG (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died ...  Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066     --  Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 15:33:32 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:33:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: You gave up Law and the Peace Movement in this town years ago in order to make a Buck. Go wallow in it-- not us. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Bryan Savage [mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 9:30 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: C. G. Estabrook ; Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; Jay Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" you have no idea what I did years ago, or what my political positions are (even with regard to this election). here there was a choice between two people, trump and clinton. one of them was going to win. you can't avoid that choice by voting for some third party candidate that has no chance of winning, because when you do so, hand in hand with demonizing clinton, you effectively support trump. that how all of you struck the moral balance and you can't avoid the consequences and as for money francis, how wealthy are you? a good deal more than I would wager. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Excuse me. Years ago, you abandoned the Law and the Peace Movement in order to make money. You have no right or standing to attack those of us standing up for the Rule of Law and Peace. Go back to Mammon! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Bryan Savage [mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:53 AM To: C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Karen Aram >; Boyle, Francis A >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" oh Carl, the news is great. here'a a list of the great things 1. Secretary of State Gingrich, 2. Attorney General Giuliani, 3. Transportation Secretary Christie, 4 Ambassador to the UN Palin. 5. End of healthcare for millions, 6 End of the EPA, t 7. End of National Parks. 8. Hope your daughters don't need contraceptives or abortions, 9. Hope your kids enjoy watching Social Security evaporate just before they need it. 10.Thanks for nuclear proliferation. 11. The end of addressing climate change 12. The continued denial of science 13. The beginnings of a Fascist Theocracy 14 A supreme court that will strip us of our civil rights Thanks for your staunch principles and your righteous stands. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 8:43 AM, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE > On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage > wrote: > > did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: > > > > take me off this list. > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: > We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. >> On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: >> >> For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. >> Fab. >> -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 15:37:54 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 15:37:54 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] We Came, We Saw, S/he Died In-Reply-To: <15849b74cae-1bf6-14a70@webprd-a89.mail.aol.com> References: <15849b74cae-1bf6-14a70@webprd-a89.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Nice one Midge—made my day! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Mildred O'brien [mailto:moboct1 at aim.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 9:32 AM To: peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; carl at newsfromneptune.com; futureup2us at gmail.com; Readel, Karin ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; cge at shout.net; bryan at sneezingdogs.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; Boyle, Francis A ; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: We Came, We Saw, S/he Died I woke up about 2 am and turned on the radio just in time to hear the Trumpet blow (Hillary's concession message by phone followed about an hour later)! Imagine having to hear that horn for four more years or until America gets "Great" Again, but at least we won't have to listen to Hillary's yelling anymore. According to the DNC/dacc it's all my fault their candidate lost for not sending in my daily $3 (after they found out Bernie could make millions from small donors). If all it takes to win is $$ then I guess Golden-Sachs, Lynda & Stewart Resnick and Haim Saban (among other bileionaires (except Declan Kelly anymore after Chelsea complained about his "using" her father) who also let her down by not imparting enough of their blessings on her campaign. I guess the Trumpet got more largess from the likes of Sheldon Adleson (the snake) and other purchasers of democracy, but I let Hill down by not giving my last buck (excuse me, vote). Now she can save her vocal cords for 20/20 (heck, Bernie was that old), or else return to Little Rock with Bill, where he can resume his life of snorting and whoring ouside the limelight. No more stress of choosing the next drone kill or pushback from disgruntled liberals when she approves Keystone Pipeline and TPP. Now the Clintons can schmooze in privacy with the Sauds, Wall Street buddies, relax with Bibi along the banks of the Dead (sic) Sea and cavort with the Resnicks and the rich and famous. She didn't marry so far down to a guy from Hope! Wait'll next time! Midge O'Brien@ -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > To: Karen Aram > Cc: Peace Discuss >; C. G. Estabrook >; Jay >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 >; C. G. Estabrook >; Bryan Savage >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; Amanda Bass >; Dave Trippel >; Boyle, Francis A >; mickalideh >; Lina Thorne >; chicago > Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2016 7:47 am Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Oh, climate change, I forgot to mention the Republicans are generally climate change deniers. If that doesn’t spell doom I don’t know what does. On Nov 9, 2016, at 05:44, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Something no one is talking about, the Republicans have taken both the House and Senate. Republicans are generally war hawks, supporting the military, and policies of austerity. With a Republican Presidency we are likely to see more of the same we’ve had under the Democrats. What we may see is more transparency, in that the Republicans will be obvious, unlike the Democrats who say one thing, then do another. On Nov 9, 2016, at 05:18, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Stick your callow indifference up where the sun don’t shine! Fab. At the request of Jeff and Bryan, I have removed them from my list. Adios! There is no such thing as “vilification” of War Criminals and Psychopaths like Clinton, Killer Koh, Slaughtered, Power and this entire Gang of Dem War Criminals and Psychopaths. They are just the Sons and the Daughters of the Best and the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. And if we are just lucky, removing them from power just might have avoided war with Russia—as Karen pointed out in her Letter to the News Gazette. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Bryan Savage [mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 7:15 AM To: Karen Aram > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:25 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, establishment supported Hillary out of power. On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died by ZIG ZAG (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died ... Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 17:42:19 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 17:42:19 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> <2A53DB53-B469-4C9F-899E-212614A8972B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law by Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law. These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others. He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East. Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom. This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities. The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law. Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking. A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense. The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action. Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:57 AM To: Jay ; C. G. Estabrook Cc: Karen Aram ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Readel, Karin ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Yeah Jay—Civil Resistance is the way to go! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law ROWMAN & LITTLEFIELD 4501 Forbes Blvd., Suite 200 Lanham, Maryland 20706 LITTLEFIELD (800) 462-6420 www.RowmanLittlefield.com PROTESTING POWER WAR, RESISTANCE, AND LAW By Francis A. Boyle “If you believe Dante may be right, that “the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of moral crisis, remain neutral,” you need this book…If you are concerned that our country lives by its Constitution and laws, its often-proclaimed principles . . . you too should read this book. . ..If you cherish freedom, here is your chance to learn how much you have. A person ignorant of her rights has little advantage over those who have none,” —Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General “Francis Boyle, who has distinguished himself again and again as a fierce and brilliant defender of international law and human rights, now takes his mission one step further. He lays out a comprehensive argument in defense of citizens who commit civil resistance to protest illegal governmental aggressions and war crimes. He does so with impeccable research, stylistic elegance, and devastating evidence. This is an invaluable and powerful handbook for citizens who dare to challenge our war-makers,” —Howard Zinn “In this expert and lucid manual, international lawyer Francis Boyle focuses his attention on civil resistance, a category that he distinguishes sharply from civil disobedience. Civil resistance, he persuasively argues, is a ‘basic right’ of American citizens under international and domestic law, as ‘it is the civil-resisters who are the sheriffs, and the U.S. government officials committing state crimes are the outlaws.’ The historical and legal analysis provides information and understanding of inestimable value to all citizens who care about their country.” —Noam Chomsky “Francis Boyle has, once again, given us a valuable lesson in current history and invaluable insight into the role that lawyers must now play in defending human rights. He reminds us also that the significant cases are not ‘about the lawyers.’ We lawyers are called upon to give voice to the struggles and aspirations of others. This book will help us learn to play that role,” —Michael F. Tigar, Washington College of Law and Chair, ABA Section of Litigation, 1989-1990 In this indispensable book, distinguished activist lawyer Francis Boyle sounds an impassioned clarion call to citizen action against Bush administration policies, both domestic and international. Especially since the Reagan Administration, hundreds of thousands of Americans have used non-violent civil resistance to protest against elements of U.S. policy that violate basic principles of international law, the United States Constitution, and human rights. Such citizen protests have led to an unprecedented number of arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. Boyle, who has spent his career advising and defending civil resisters, explores how international law can be used to question the legality of specific U.S. government foreign and domestic policies. He focuses especially on the aftermath of 9/11 and the implications of the war on Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, the war on Iraq, the doctrine of preventive warfare, and the domestic abridgement of civil rights. Written for concerned citizens, activists, NGOs, civil resisters, their supporters, and their lawyers, Protesting Power provides the best legal and constitutional arguments to support and defend civil resistance activities. Including a number of compelling excerpts from his own trial appearances as an expert witness and as counsel, the author offers inspirational and practical advice for protesters who find themselves in court. This invaluable book stands alone as the only guide available on how to use international law, constitutional law, and the laws of war to defend peaceful non-violent protesters against governmental policies that are illegal and criminal. About the Author Francis Boyle is professor of law at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. A Harvard law graduate, for the past twenty years he has been involved as lawyer and/or witness in the major cases challenging U.S. defense policy, notably nuclear issues, and, in recent years, preemptive wars. He speaks and writes regularly on civil resistance and antiwar issues. War and Peace Library series November 2007, 256 pages ISBN 0-7425-3892-3 / 978-0-7425-3892-4 $24.95 paper ISBN 0-7425-3891-5 / 978-0-7425-3891-7 $75.00 cloth Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (Voice) 217-244-1478 (Fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:47 AM To: C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Bryan Savage >; Karen Aram >; Boyle, Francis A >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" I couldn’t agree with you more about HRC demonizing herself. She is a war criminal with a proven record that deserves vilification, and more. However, I see nothing to celebrate in Trump’s triumph. I think all of us on this email chain recognize and are gearing up for the struggles to come. I thought you’d be interested in Revolution newspaper’s comment below. Good news: Students and young people have been out in the streets already! A time for daring, not despair... Jay 5 a.m., November 9, 2016. A vile fascist has been elected President of the United States. There must be no illusions that somehow this will be OK. It won't. Every immigrant, woman, Black, Latino, Native American, Muslim or differently gendered person... every person who cares about the planet, every person with even an elementary sense of justice and compassion—all over the world—has reason to hurt and be concerned for the future like never before. All that Trump represents must not stand. Starting today, there must be massive resistance to everything Donald Trump represents and every reactionary measure that he has promised to deliver. This is a time for courage, not despair. Struggle, not retreat, escape or conciliation. Donald Trump promised to “Make America Great Again.” Hillary Clinton countered that America was already great. The reality: America Was Never Great. This country has been a nightmare from its founding with enslavement of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans, continuing through theft of Mexico and on through the endless wars and invasions of countries and peoples around the world while here at home the horror is unrelenting for tens of millions. The American nightmare is real, and it has just gotten more horrific. But, this too is real: Donald Trump is a grotesque representative of a system that has a name—capitalism-imperialism—and this system means, and can only mean, misery and horrors for majority of humanity. Through the whole election process this vicious buffoon has been treated as a legitimate candidate for president. Any system that treats such a racist and misogynist fascist as legitimate reveals itself to be illegitimate. There should be no illusions or rationalizations to explain this reality away. And, the fact that there has been and will continue to be such intense ugly infighting among the ruling class reveals a system facing major challenges and in crisis, and potential openings and freedom to be wrenched for the struggle of the people for a radically new and better world. Trump represents an even more grotesque and openly murderous form of this system, and his attacks against the people should be met with massive resistance. But what is needed will NOT be to return to what has been, continuing the same brutal system, its crimes and horrors. What is needed and possible is a radically new society, and a radically different kind of state, that will open the way and lead finally to the abolition of all forms of oppressive and repressive rule and all relations of domination and exploitation, throughout the world. This is a society charted and embodied in the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. This path-breaking work is authored by Bob Avakian, architect of the new communism, and the leader of the revolution—an ACTUAL revolution, to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time. HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution, from the Central Committee of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA starts with this foundational point: An actual revolution does not mean trying to make some changes withinthis system—it means overthrowing this system and bringing into being a radically different and far better system. This system of capitalism-imperialism cannot be reformed. There is no way, under this system, to put an end to the brutality and murder by police, the wars and destruction of people and the environment, the exploitation, oppression and degradation of millions and billions of people, including the half of humanity that is female, here and throughout the world—all of which is rooted in profound contradictions built into the basic functioning, relations, and structures of this system. Only an actual revolution can bring about the fundamental change that is needed. This is a time for Daring. People need to be in the streets and getting into, and getting with, the revolution. See "As news of Trump's election hits: Protests Erupt Across the Country" On Nov 9, 2016, at 08:43, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage > wrote: did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryan at sneezingdogs.com Wed Nov 9 12:54:48 2016 From: bryan at sneezingdogs.com (Bryan Savage) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 06:54:48 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: <9171b3c5-528b-9973-afdc-bb24ab190da9@shout.net> References: <9171b3c5-528b-9973-afdc-bb24ab190da9@shout.net> Message-ID: please also remove me from this list. there seems to be a rather callow indifference here to what has just happened, to the fact that we are all in grave danger from Trump, and from the role that vilifying HRC might have played in the whole affair. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 6:25 AM, Jeff Machota wrote: > please remove me from this thread > > thanks > > On 11/9/2016 6:24 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, > establishment supported Hillary out of power. > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > *A Poem* > *By the Ed Norton Professor of Law* > *At the Carl Schmitt College of Law* > > *Francis A. Boyle* > *Law Building* > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > *217-333-7954 <217-333-7954> (phone)* > *217-244-1478 <217-244-1478> (fax)* > *(personal comments only*) > > *From:* Boyle, Francis A > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM > *To:* 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > *Subject:* Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He > Died" > > *Good riddance Killary!* > *You Psychopath and War Criminal!* > *Take Killer Koh with you!* > *That Psychopath and War Criminal!* > *Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered !* > *Another Psychopath and War Criminal!* > *The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power!* > *Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal!* > *Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War > Criminals.* > *Speaking of Obama* > *But for now:* > *Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals > There in DC.* > *Fab.* > *Doctor:* > *What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands.* > *Gentlewoman:* > *It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I > have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour.* > *Lady Macbeth:* > *Yet here's a spot.* > *Doctor:* > *Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my > remembrance the more strongly.* > *Lady Macbeth:* > *Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell > is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who > knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have > thought the old man to have had so much blood in him?* > Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– > > *Francis A. Boyle* > *Law Building* > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > *217-333-7954 <217-333-7954> (phone)* > *217-244-1478 <217-244-1478> (fax)* > *(personal comments only*) > > *From:* Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com > ] > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM > *To:* Boyle, Francis A > *Subject:* Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R > Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" > > > [image: http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] > > > > [image: > https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] > > Francis Boyle > > has shared a video with you on YouTube > > > > [image: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] > > > *(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died * > > > by ZIG ZAG > > > > (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died > ... > > > > > Help center > > • Report spam > > > > > ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 > > > [image: Web Bug from > https://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=9JK8tucEfpg&u=/gen_204] > > > > -- > Jeff Machota > Accounts Manager > Community Shares of Illinois217-352-6533 ext. 6506 > > -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryan at sneezingdogs.com Wed Nov 9 13:14:32 2016 From: bryan at sneezingdogs.com (Bryan Savage) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 07:14:32 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what > we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? > I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war > monger/fascist style for a running mate. > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > *For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her > the last time too.* > *Fab.* > > *Francis A. Boyle* > *Law Building* > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > *217-333-7954 <217-333-7954> (phone)* > *217-244-1478 <217-244-1478> (fax)* > *(personal comments only*) > > *From:* Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com ] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:25 AM > *To:* Boyle, Francis A > *Cc:* chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; C. G. > Estabrook ; C. G. Estabrook ; > Peace Discuss ; David Johnson < > davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>; Stuart Levy ; Lina > Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel < > davetrippel at ameritech.net>; Arlene Hickory ; David > Green ; Karen Medina ; > Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; > Readel, Karin ; Estabrook, Carl G < > galliher at illinois.edu>; Belden Fields ; > jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List < > vvawnet at prairienet.org>; Bryan Savage ; Hoffman, > Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas < > jtmiller at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson < > davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; Jay > *Subject:* Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, > He Died" > > YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, > establishment supported Hillary out of power. > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > *A Poem* > *By the Ed Norton Professor of Law* > *At the Carl Schmitt College of Law* > > *Francis A. Boyle* > *Law Building* > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > *217-333-7954 <217-333-7954> (phone)* > *217-244-1478 <217-244-1478> (fax)* > *(personal comments only*) > > *From:* Boyle, Francis A > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM > *To:* 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > *Subject:* Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He > Died" > > *Good riddance Killary!* > *You Psychopath and War Criminal!* > *Take Killer Koh with you!* > *That Psychopath and War Criminal!* > *Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered !* > *Another Psychopath and War Criminal!* > *The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power!* > *Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal!* > *Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War > Criminals.* > *Speaking of Obama* > *But for now:* > *Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals > There in DC.* > *Fab.* > *Doctor:* > *What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands.* > *Gentlewoman:* > *It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I > have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour.* > *Lady Macbeth:* > *Yet here's a spot.* > *Doctor:* > *Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my > remembrance the more strongly.* > *Lady Macbeth:* > *Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell > is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who > knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have > thought the old man to have had so much blood in him?* > Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– > > *Francis A. Boyle* > *Law Building* > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > *217-333-7954 <217-333-7954> (phone)* > *217-244-1478 <217-244-1478> (fax)* > *(personal comments only*) > > *From:* Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com > ] > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM > *To:* Boyle, Francis A > *Subject:* Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R > Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" > > [image: http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] > [image: > https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] > Francis Boyle > > has shared a video with you on YouTube > > [image: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2dmp3Jndj_o/mqdefault.jpg] > > > *(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died * > > > by ZIG ZAG > > > (Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died > ... > Help center > > • Report spam > > ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 > [image: https://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=9JK8tucEfpg&u=/gen_204] > > > -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryan at sneezingdogs.com Wed Nov 9 14:52:54 2016 From: bryan at sneezingdogs.com (Bryan Savage) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 08:52:54 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: oh Carl, the news is great. here'a a list of the great things 1. Secretary of State Gingrich, 2. Attorney General Giuliani, 3. Transportation Secretary Christie, 4 Ambassador to the UN Palin. 5. End of healthcare for millions, 6 End of the EPA, t 7. End of National Parks. 8. Hope your daughters don't need contraceptives or abortions, 9. Hope your kids enjoy watching Social Security evaporate just before they need it. 10.Thanks for nuclear proliferation. 11. The end of addressing climate change 12. The continued denial of science 13. The beginnings of a Fascist Theocracy 14 A supreme court that will strip us of our civil rights Thanks for your staunch principles and your righteous stands. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 8:43 AM, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on > behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. > > For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a > neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is > both. > > There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate > change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still > have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war > movement - and the world at large. > > --CGE > > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage wrote: > > > > did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third > parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this > list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no > part in electing this: > > > > > > > > take me off this list. > > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: > > We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given > what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to > think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has > a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. > >> On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > >> > >> For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for > her the last time too. > >> Fab. > >> > -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryan at sneezingdogs.com Wed Nov 9 15:30:12 2016 From: bryan at sneezingdogs.com (Bryan Savage) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 09:30:12 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: you have no idea what I did years ago, or what my political positions are (even with regard to this election). here there was a choice between two people, trump and clinton. one of them was going to win. you can't avoid that choice by voting for some third party candidate that has no chance of winning, because when you do so, hand in hand with demonizing clinton, you effectively support trump. that how all of you struck the moral balance and you can't avoid the consequences and as for money francis, how wealthy are you? a good deal more than I would wager. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > *Excuse me. Years ago, you abandoned the Law and the Peace Movement in > order to make money. You have no right or standing to attack those of us > standing up for the Rule of Law and Peace. Go back to Mammon!* > > *Fab * > > *Ed Norton Professor of Law* > > *Carl Schmitt College of Law* > > > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign, IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <217-333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <217-244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only)* > > > > *From:* Bryan Savage [mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:53 AM > *To:* C. G. Estabrook > *Cc:* Karen Aram ; Boyle, Francis A < > fboyle at illinois.edu>; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass < > abass10 at gmail.com>; Peace Discuss ; David > Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; > Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel < > davetrippel at ameritech.net>; Arlene Hickory ; David > Green ; Karen Medina ; > Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; > Readel, Karin ; Belden Fields ; > Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas < > jtmiller at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson < > davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; Jay > *Subject:* Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, > He Died" > > > > oh Carl, the news is great. here'a a list of the great things > > > > 1. Secretary of State Gingrich, > > 2. Attorney General Giuliani, > > 3. Transportation Secretary Christie, > > 4 Ambassador to the UN Palin. > > 5. End of healthcare for millions, > > 6 End of the EPA, t > > 7. End of National Parks. > > 8. Hope your daughters don't need contraceptives or abortions, > > 9. Hope your kids enjoy watching Social Security evaporate just before > they need it. > > 10.Thanks for nuclear proliferation. > > 11. The end of addressing climate change > > 12. The continued denial of science > > 13. The beginnings of a Fascist Theocracy > > 14 A supreme court that will strip us of our civil rights > > > > Thanks for your staunch principles and your righteous stands. > > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 8:43 AM, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: > > HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on > behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. > > For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a > neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is > both. > > There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate > change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still > have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war > movement - and the world at large. > > --CGE > > > On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage wrote: > > > > did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third > parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this > list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no > part in electing this: > > > > > > > > take me off this list. > > > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: > > We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given > what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to > think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has > a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. > >> On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > >> > >> For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for > her the last time too. > >> Fab. > >> > > > > > > -- > > Bryan Savage > > 707 S Lynn Street > > Champaign, IL 61820 > > > -- Bryan Savage 707 S Lynn Street Champaign, IL 61820 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Wed Nov 9 18:22:53 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 12:22:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What just happened? In-Reply-To: References: <20161106155718.222C026922@web-2.prod.news-gazette.com> Message-ID: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/09/the-cataclysm-notes-on-election-day-and-the-politics-of-exhaustion/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 18:51:15 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 18:51:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> <2A53DB53-B469-4C9F-899E-212614A8972B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Prof. Boyle I’m currently reading your book "United Ireland Human Rights and International Law”, whereby you take us through the process of establishing the "Irish Potato famine" as a precedent for genocide vs. those that would diminish the deaths of one million people in a crime perpetrated by the British. I’m only in the first quarter of the book, but I love it because it sets standards and provides arguments that anyone involved in anti-war activities can appreciate. I am honored to have met you. Karen Aram On Nov 9, 2016, at 09:42, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law by Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law. These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others. He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East. Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom. This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities. The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law. Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking. A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense. The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action. Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:57 AM To: Jay >; C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Yeah Jay—Civil Resistance is the way to go! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law ROWMAN & LITTLEFIELD 4501 Forbes Blvd., Suite 200 Lanham, Maryland 20706 LITTLEFIELD (800) 462-6420 www.RowmanLittlefield.com PROTESTING POWER WAR, RESISTANCE, AND LAW By Francis A. Boyle “If you believe Dante may be right, that “the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of moral crisis, remain neutral,” you need this book…If you are concerned that our country lives by its Constitution and laws, its often-proclaimed principles . . . you too should read this book. . ..If you cherish freedom, here is your chance to learn how much you have. A person ignorant of her rights has little advantage over those who have none,” —Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General “Francis Boyle, who has distinguished himself again and again as a fierce and brilliant defender of international law and human rights, now takes his mission one step further. He lays out a comprehensive argument in defense of citizens who commit civil resistance to protest illegal governmental aggressions and war crimes. He does so with impeccable research, stylistic elegance, and devastating evidence. This is an invaluable and powerful handbook for citizens who dare to challenge our war-makers,” —Howard Zinn “In this expert and lucid manual, international lawyer Francis Boyle focuses his attention on civil resistance, a category that he distinguishes sharply from civil disobedience. Civil resistance, he persuasively argues, is a ‘basic right’ of American citizens under international and domestic law, as ‘it is the civil-resisters who are the sheriffs, and the U.S. government officials committing state crimes are the outlaws.’ The historical and legal analysis provides information and understanding of inestimable value to all citizens who care about their country.” —Noam Chomsky “Francis Boyle has, once again, given us a valuable lesson in current history and invaluable insight into the role that lawyers must now play in defending human rights. He reminds us also that the significant cases are not ‘about the lawyers.’ We lawyers are called upon to give voice to the struggles and aspirations of others. This book will help us learn to play that role,” —Michael F. Tigar, Washington College of Law and Chair, ABA Section of Litigation, 1989-1990 In this indispensable book, distinguished activist lawyer Francis Boyle sounds an impassioned clarion call to citizen action against Bush administration policies, both domestic and international. Especially since the Reagan Administration, hundreds of thousands of Americans have used non-violent civil resistance to protest against elements of U.S. policy that violate basic principles of international law, the United States Constitution, and human rights. Such citizen protests have led to an unprecedented number of arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. Boyle, who has spent his career advising and defending civil resisters, explores how international law can be used to question the legality of specific U.S. government foreign and domestic policies. He focuses especially on the aftermath of 9/11 and the implications of the war on Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, the war on Iraq, the doctrine of preventive warfare, and the domestic abridgement of civil rights. Written for concerned citizens, activists, NGOs, civil resisters, their supporters, and their lawyers, Protesting Power provides the best legal and constitutional arguments to support and defend civil resistance activities. Including a number of compelling excerpts from his own trial appearances as an expert witness and as counsel, the author offers inspirational and practical advice for protesters who find themselves in court. This invaluable book stands alone as the only guide available on how to use international law, constitutional law, and the laws of war to defend peaceful non-violent protesters against governmental policies that are illegal and criminal. About the Author Francis Boyle is professor of law at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. A Harvard law graduate, for the past twenty years he has been involved as lawyer and/or witness in the major cases challenging U.S. defense policy, notably nuclear issues, and, in recent years, preemptive wars. He speaks and writes regularly on civil resistance and antiwar issues. War and Peace Library series November 2007, 256 pages ISBN 0-7425-3892-3 / 978-0-7425-3892-4 $24.95 paper ISBN 0-7425-3891-5 / 978-0-7425-3891-7 $75.00 cloth Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (Voice) 217-244-1478 (Fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:47 AM To: C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Bryan Savage >; Karen Aram >; Boyle, Francis A >;chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" I couldn’t agree with you more about HRC demonizing herself. She is a war criminal with a proven record that deserves vilification, and more. However, I see nothing to celebrate in Trump’s triumph. I think all of us on this email chain recognize and are gearing up for the struggles to come. I thought you’d be interested in Revolution newspaper’s comment below. Good news: Students and young people have been out in the streets already! A time for daring, not despair... Jay 5 a.m., November 9, 2016. A vile fascist has been elected President of the United States. There must be no illusions that somehow this will be OK. It won't. Every immigrant, woman, Black, Latino, Native American, Muslim or differently gendered person... every person who cares about the planet, every person with even an elementary sense of justice and compassion—all over the world—has reason to hurt and be concerned for the future like never before. All that Trump represents must not stand. Starting today, there must be massive resistance to everything Donald Trump represents and every reactionary measure that he has promised to deliver. This is a time for courage, not despair. Struggle, not retreat, escape or conciliation. Donald Trump promised to “Make America Great Again.” Hillary Clinton countered that America was already great. The reality: America Was Never Great. This country has been a nightmare from its founding with enslavement of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans, continuing through theft of Mexico and on through the endless wars and invasions of countries and peoples around the world while here at home the horror is unrelenting for tens of millions. The American nightmare is real, and it has just gotten more horrific. But, this too is real: Donald Trump is a grotesque representative of a system that has a name—capitalism-imperialism—and this system means, and can only mean, misery and horrors for majority of humanity. Through the whole election process this vicious buffoon has been treated as a legitimate candidate for president. Any system that treats such a racist and misogynist fascist as legitimate reveals itself to be illegitimate. There should be no illusions or rationalizations to explain this reality away. And, the fact that there has been and will continue to be such intense ugly infighting among the ruling class reveals a system facing major challenges and in crisis, and potential openings and freedom to be wrenched for the struggle of the people for a radically new and better world. Trump represents an even more grotesque and openly murderous form of this system, and his attacks against the people should be met with massive resistance. But what is needed will NOT be to return to what has been, continuing the same brutal system, its crimes and horrors. What is needed and possible is a radically new society, and a radically different kind of state, that will open the way and lead finally to the abolition of all forms of oppressive and repressive rule and all relations of domination and exploitation, throughout the world. This is a society charted and embodied in the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. This path-breaking work is authored by Bob Avakian, architect of the new communism, and the leader of the revolution—an ACTUAL revolution, to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time. HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution, from the Central Committee of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA starts with this foundational point: An actual revolution does not mean trying to make some changes withinthis system—it means overthrowing this system and bringing into being a radically different and far better system. This system of capitalism-imperialism cannot be reformed. There is no way, under this system, to put an end to the brutality and murder by police, the wars and destruction of people and the environment, the exploitation, oppression and degradation of millions and billions of people, including the half of humanity that is female, here and throughout the world—all of which is rooted in profound contradictions built into the basic functioning, relations, and structures of this system. Only an actual revolution can bring about the fundamental change that is needed. This is a time for Daring. People need to be in the streets and getting into, and getting with, the revolution. See "As news of Trump's election hits: Protests Erupt Across the Country" On Nov 9, 2016, at 08:43, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage > wrote: did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 18:51:15 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 18:51:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> <2A53DB53-B469-4C9F-899E-212614A8972B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Prof. Boyle I’m currently reading your book "United Ireland Human Rights and International Law”, whereby you take us through the process of establishing the "Irish Potato famine" as a precedent for genocide vs. those that would diminish the deaths of one million people in a crime perpetrated by the British. I’m only in the first quarter of the book, but I love it because it sets standards and provides arguments that anyone involved in anti-war activities can appreciate. I am honored to have met you. Karen Aram On Nov 9, 2016, at 09:42, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law by Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law. These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others. He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East. Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom. This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities. The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law. Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking. A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense. The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action. Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:57 AM To: Jay >; C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Yeah Jay—Civil Resistance is the way to go! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law ROWMAN & LITTLEFIELD 4501 Forbes Blvd., Suite 200 Lanham, Maryland 20706 LITTLEFIELD (800) 462-6420 www.RowmanLittlefield.com PROTESTING POWER WAR, RESISTANCE, AND LAW By Francis A. Boyle “If you believe Dante may be right, that “the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of moral crisis, remain neutral,” you need this book…If you are concerned that our country lives by its Constitution and laws, its often-proclaimed principles . . . you too should read this book. . ..If you cherish freedom, here is your chance to learn how much you have. A person ignorant of her rights has little advantage over those who have none,” —Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General “Francis Boyle, who has distinguished himself again and again as a fierce and brilliant defender of international law and human rights, now takes his mission one step further. He lays out a comprehensive argument in defense of citizens who commit civil resistance to protest illegal governmental aggressions and war crimes. He does so with impeccable research, stylistic elegance, and devastating evidence. This is an invaluable and powerful handbook for citizens who dare to challenge our war-makers,” —Howard Zinn “In this expert and lucid manual, international lawyer Francis Boyle focuses his attention on civil resistance, a category that he distinguishes sharply from civil disobedience. Civil resistance, he persuasively argues, is a ‘basic right’ of American citizens under international and domestic law, as ‘it is the civil-resisters who are the sheriffs, and the U.S. government officials committing state crimes are the outlaws.’ The historical and legal analysis provides information and understanding of inestimable value to all citizens who care about their country.” —Noam Chomsky “Francis Boyle has, once again, given us a valuable lesson in current history and invaluable insight into the role that lawyers must now play in defending human rights. He reminds us also that the significant cases are not ‘about the lawyers.’ We lawyers are called upon to give voice to the struggles and aspirations of others. This book will help us learn to play that role,” —Michael F. Tigar, Washington College of Law and Chair, ABA Section of Litigation, 1989-1990 In this indispensable book, distinguished activist lawyer Francis Boyle sounds an impassioned clarion call to citizen action against Bush administration policies, both domestic and international. Especially since the Reagan Administration, hundreds of thousands of Americans have used non-violent civil resistance to protest against elements of U.S. policy that violate basic principles of international law, the United States Constitution, and human rights. Such citizen protests have led to an unprecedented number of arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. Boyle, who has spent his career advising and defending civil resisters, explores how international law can be used to question the legality of specific U.S. government foreign and domestic policies. He focuses especially on the aftermath of 9/11 and the implications of the war on Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, the war on Iraq, the doctrine of preventive warfare, and the domestic abridgement of civil rights. Written for concerned citizens, activists, NGOs, civil resisters, their supporters, and their lawyers, Protesting Power provides the best legal and constitutional arguments to support and defend civil resistance activities. Including a number of compelling excerpts from his own trial appearances as an expert witness and as counsel, the author offers inspirational and practical advice for protesters who find themselves in court. This invaluable book stands alone as the only guide available on how to use international law, constitutional law, and the laws of war to defend peaceful non-violent protesters against governmental policies that are illegal and criminal. About the Author Francis Boyle is professor of law at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. A Harvard law graduate, for the past twenty years he has been involved as lawyer and/or witness in the major cases challenging U.S. defense policy, notably nuclear issues, and, in recent years, preemptive wars. He speaks and writes regularly on civil resistance and antiwar issues. War and Peace Library series November 2007, 256 pages ISBN 0-7425-3892-3 / 978-0-7425-3892-4 $24.95 paper ISBN 0-7425-3891-5 / 978-0-7425-3891-7 $75.00 cloth Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (Voice) 217-244-1478 (Fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:47 AM To: C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Bryan Savage >; Karen Aram >; Boyle, Francis A >;chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" I couldn’t agree with you more about HRC demonizing herself. She is a war criminal with a proven record that deserves vilification, and more. However, I see nothing to celebrate in Trump’s triumph. I think all of us on this email chain recognize and are gearing up for the struggles to come. I thought you’d be interested in Revolution newspaper’s comment below. Good news: Students and young people have been out in the streets already! A time for daring, not despair... Jay 5 a.m., November 9, 2016. A vile fascist has been elected President of the United States. There must be no illusions that somehow this will be OK. It won't. Every immigrant, woman, Black, Latino, Native American, Muslim or differently gendered person... every person who cares about the planet, every person with even an elementary sense of justice and compassion—all over the world—has reason to hurt and be concerned for the future like never before. All that Trump represents must not stand. Starting today, there must be massive resistance to everything Donald Trump represents and every reactionary measure that he has promised to deliver. This is a time for courage, not despair. Struggle, not retreat, escape or conciliation. Donald Trump promised to “Make America Great Again.” Hillary Clinton countered that America was already great. The reality: America Was Never Great. This country has been a nightmare from its founding with enslavement of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans, continuing through theft of Mexico and on through the endless wars and invasions of countries and peoples around the world while here at home the horror is unrelenting for tens of millions. The American nightmare is real, and it has just gotten more horrific. But, this too is real: Donald Trump is a grotesque representative of a system that has a name—capitalism-imperialism—and this system means, and can only mean, misery and horrors for majority of humanity. Through the whole election process this vicious buffoon has been treated as a legitimate candidate for president. Any system that treats such a racist and misogynist fascist as legitimate reveals itself to be illegitimate. There should be no illusions or rationalizations to explain this reality away. And, the fact that there has been and will continue to be such intense ugly infighting among the ruling class reveals a system facing major challenges and in crisis, and potential openings and freedom to be wrenched for the struggle of the people for a radically new and better world. Trump represents an even more grotesque and openly murderous form of this system, and his attacks against the people should be met with massive resistance. But what is needed will NOT be to return to what has been, continuing the same brutal system, its crimes and horrors. What is needed and possible is a radically new society, and a radically different kind of state, that will open the way and lead finally to the abolition of all forms of oppressive and repressive rule and all relations of domination and exploitation, throughout the world. This is a society charted and embodied in the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. This path-breaking work is authored by Bob Avakian, architect of the new communism, and the leader of the revolution—an ACTUAL revolution, to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time. HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution, from the Central Committee of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA starts with this foundational point: An actual revolution does not mean trying to make some changes withinthis system—it means overthrowing this system and bringing into being a radically different and far better system. This system of capitalism-imperialism cannot be reformed. There is no way, under this system, to put an end to the brutality and murder by police, the wars and destruction of people and the environment, the exploitation, oppression and degradation of millions and billions of people, including the half of humanity that is female, here and throughout the world—all of which is rooted in profound contradictions built into the basic functioning, relations, and structures of this system. Only an actual revolution can bring about the fundamental change that is needed. This is a time for Daring. People need to be in the streets and getting into, and getting with, the revolution. See "As news of Trump's election hits: Protests Erupt Across the Country" On Nov 9, 2016, at 08:43, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage > wrote: did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 19:01:31 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 19:01:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> <2A53DB53-B469-4C9F-899E-212614A8972B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Karen. You are so very kind. And I want to thank Karen especially for being the Sparkplug behind our Rally against Killary’s Fellow Psychopath and War Criminal Killer Koh before the Nazi “Law” Faculty of the Carl Schmitt College of Law: Where Carl Schmitt’s Racist Nazi Shit stinks to High Heaven—poisoning and polluting the Good People of this Community. A Raw Sewage Pit that needs to be ABATED. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 12:51 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Jay ; C. G. Estabrook ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; peace ; Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Prof. Boyle I’m currently reading your book "United Ireland Human Rights and International Law”, whereby you take us through the process of establishing the "Irish Potato famine" as a precedent for genocide vs. those that would diminish the deaths of one million people in a crime perpetrated by the British. I’m only in the first quarter of the book, but I love it because it sets standards and provides arguments that anyone involved in anti-war activities can appreciate. I am honored to have met you. Karen Aram On Nov 9, 2016, at 09:42, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law by Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law. These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others. He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East. Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom. This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities. The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law. Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking. A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense. The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action. Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:57 AM To: Jay >; C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Yeah Jay—Civil Resistance is the way to go! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law ROWMAN & LITTLEFIELD 4501 Forbes Blvd., Suite 200 Lanham, Maryland 20706 LITTLEFIELD (800) 462-6420 www.RowmanLittlefield.com PROTESTING POWER WAR, RESISTANCE, AND LAW By Francis A. Boyle “If you believe Dante may be right, that “the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of moral crisis, remain neutral,” you need this book…If you are concerned that our country lives by its Constitution and laws, its often-proclaimed principles . . . you too should read this book. . ..If you cherish freedom, here is your chance to learn how much you have. A person ignorant of her rights has little advantage over those who have none,” —Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General “Francis Boyle, who has distinguished himself again and again as a fierce and brilliant defender of international law and human rights, now takes his mission one step further. He lays out a comprehensive argument in defense of citizens who commit civil resistance to protest illegal governmental aggressions and war crimes. He does so with impeccable research, stylistic elegance, and devastating evidence. This is an invaluable and powerful handbook for citizens who dare to challenge our war-makers,” —Howard Zinn “In this expert and lucid manual, international lawyer Francis Boyle focuses his attention on civil resistance, a category that he distinguishes sharply from civil disobedience. Civil resistance, he persuasively argues, is a ‘basic right’ of American citizens under international and domestic law, as ‘it is the civil-resisters who are the sheriffs, and the U.S. government officials committing state crimes are the outlaws.’ The historical and legal analysis provides information and understanding of inestimable value to all citizens who care about their country.” —Noam Chomsky “Francis Boyle has, once again, given us a valuable lesson in current history and invaluable insight into the role that lawyers must now play in defending human rights. He reminds us also that the significant cases are not ‘about the lawyers.’ We lawyers are called upon to give voice to the struggles and aspirations of others. This book will help us learn to play that role,” —Michael F. Tigar, Washington College of Law and Chair, ABA Section of Litigation, 1989-1990 In this indispensable book, distinguished activist lawyer Francis Boyle sounds an impassioned clarion call to citizen action against Bush administration policies, both domestic and international. Especially since the Reagan Administration, hundreds of thousands of Americans have used non-violent civil resistance to protest against elements of U.S. policy that violate basic principles of international law, the United States Constitution, and human rights. Such citizen protests have led to an unprecedented number of arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. Boyle, who has spent his career advising and defending civil resisters, explores how international law can be used to question the legality of specific U.S. government foreign and domestic policies. He focuses especially on the aftermath of 9/11 and the implications of the war on Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, the war on Iraq, the doctrine of preventive warfare, and the domestic abridgement of civil rights. Written for concerned citizens, activists, NGOs, civil resisters, their supporters, and their lawyers, Protesting Power provides the best legal and constitutional arguments to support and defend civil resistance activities. Including a number of compelling excerpts from his own trial appearances as an expert witness and as counsel, the author offers inspirational and practical advice for protesters who find themselves in court. This invaluable book stands alone as the only guide available on how to use international law, constitutional law, and the laws of war to defend peaceful non-violent protesters against governmental policies that are illegal and criminal. About the Author Francis Boyle is professor of law at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. A Harvard law graduate, for the past twenty years he has been involved as lawyer and/or witness in the major cases challenging U.S. defense policy, notably nuclear issues, and, in recent years, preemptive wars. He speaks and writes regularly on civil resistance and antiwar issues. War and Peace Library series November 2007, 256 pages ISBN 0-7425-3892-3 / 978-0-7425-3892-4 $24.95 paper ISBN 0-7425-3891-5 / 978-0-7425-3891-7 $75.00 cloth Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (Voice) 217-244-1478 (Fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:47 AM To: C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Bryan Savage >; Karen Aram >; Boyle, Francis A >;chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" I couldn’t agree with you more about HRC demonizing herself. She is a war criminal with a proven record that deserves vilification, and more. However, I see nothing to celebrate in Trump’s triumph. I think all of us on this email chain recognize and are gearing up for the struggles to come. I thought you’d be interested in Revolution newspaper’s comment below. Good news: Students and young people have been out in the streets already! A time for daring, not despair... Jay 5 a.m., November 9, 2016. A vile fascist has been elected President of the United States. There must be no illusions that somehow this will be OK. It won't. Every immigrant, woman, Black, Latino, Native American, Muslim or differently gendered person... every person who cares about the planet, every person with even an elementary sense of justice and compassion—all over the world—has reason to hurt and be concerned for the future like never before. All that Trump represents must not stand. Starting today, there must be massive resistance to everything Donald Trump represents and every reactionary measure that he has promised to deliver. This is a time for courage, not despair. Struggle, not retreat, escape or conciliation. Donald Trump promised to “Make America Great Again.” Hillary Clinton countered that America was already great. The reality: America Was Never Great. This country has been a nightmare from its founding with enslavement of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans, continuing through theft of Mexico and on through the endless wars and invasions of countries and peoples around the world while here at home the horror is unrelenting for tens of millions. The American nightmare is real, and it has just gotten more horrific. But, this too is real: Donald Trump is a grotesque representative of a system that has a name—capitalism-imperialism—and this system means, and can only mean, misery and horrors for majority of humanity. Through the whole election process this vicious buffoon has been treated as a legitimate candidate for president. Any system that treats such a racist and misogynist fascist as legitimate reveals itself to be illegitimate. There should be no illusions or rationalizations to explain this reality away. And, the fact that there has been and will continue to be such intense ugly infighting among the ruling class reveals a system facing major challenges and in crisis, and potential openings and freedom to be wrenched for the struggle of the people for a radically new and better world. Trump represents an even more grotesque and openly murderous form of this system, and his attacks against the people should be met with massive resistance. But what is needed will NOT be to return to what has been, continuing the same brutal system, its crimes and horrors. What is needed and possible is a radically new society, and a radically different kind of state, that will open the way and lead finally to the abolition of all forms of oppressive and repressive rule and all relations of domination and exploitation, throughout the world. This is a society charted and embodied in the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. This path-breaking work is authored by Bob Avakian, architect of the new communism, and the leader of the revolution—an ACTUAL revolution, to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time. HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution, from the Central Committee of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA starts with this foundational point: An actual revolution does not mean trying to make some changes withinthis system—it means overthrowing this system and bringing into being a radically different and far better system. This system of capitalism-imperialism cannot be reformed. There is no way, under this system, to put an end to the brutality and murder by police, the wars and destruction of people and the environment, the exploitation, oppression and degradation of millions and billions of people, including the half of humanity that is female, here and throughout the world—all of which is rooted in profound contradictions built into the basic functioning, relations, and structures of this system. Only an actual revolution can bring about the fundamental change that is needed. This is a time for Daring. People need to be in the streets and getting into, and getting with, the revolution. See "As news of Trump's election hits: Protests Erupt Across the Country" On Nov 9, 2016, at 08:43, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage > wrote: did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 19:01:31 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 19:01:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> <2A53DB53-B469-4C9F-899E-212614A8972B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Karen. You are so very kind. And I want to thank Karen especially for being the Sparkplug behind our Rally against Killary’s Fellow Psychopath and War Criminal Killer Koh before the Nazi “Law” Faculty of the Carl Schmitt College of Law: Where Carl Schmitt’s Racist Nazi Shit stinks to High Heaven—poisoning and polluting the Good People of this Community. A Raw Sewage Pit that needs to be ABATED. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 12:51 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Jay ; C. G. Estabrook ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; peace ; Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Prof. Boyle I’m currently reading your book "United Ireland Human Rights and International Law”, whereby you take us through the process of establishing the "Irish Potato famine" as a precedent for genocide vs. those that would diminish the deaths of one million people in a crime perpetrated by the British. I’m only in the first quarter of the book, but I love it because it sets standards and provides arguments that anyone involved in anti-war activities can appreciate. I am honored to have met you. Karen Aram On Nov 9, 2016, at 09:42, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law by Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law. These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others. He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East. Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom. This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities. The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law. Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking. A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense. The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action. Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:57 AM To: Jay >; C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Yeah Jay—Civil Resistance is the way to go! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law ROWMAN & LITTLEFIELD 4501 Forbes Blvd., Suite 200 Lanham, Maryland 20706 LITTLEFIELD (800) 462-6420 www.RowmanLittlefield.com PROTESTING POWER WAR, RESISTANCE, AND LAW By Francis A. Boyle “If you believe Dante may be right, that “the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of moral crisis, remain neutral,” you need this book…If you are concerned that our country lives by its Constitution and laws, its often-proclaimed principles . . . you too should read this book. . ..If you cherish freedom, here is your chance to learn how much you have. A person ignorant of her rights has little advantage over those who have none,” —Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General “Francis Boyle, who has distinguished himself again and again as a fierce and brilliant defender of international law and human rights, now takes his mission one step further. He lays out a comprehensive argument in defense of citizens who commit civil resistance to protest illegal governmental aggressions and war crimes. He does so with impeccable research, stylistic elegance, and devastating evidence. This is an invaluable and powerful handbook for citizens who dare to challenge our war-makers,” —Howard Zinn “In this expert and lucid manual, international lawyer Francis Boyle focuses his attention on civil resistance, a category that he distinguishes sharply from civil disobedience. Civil resistance, he persuasively argues, is a ‘basic right’ of American citizens under international and domestic law, as ‘it is the civil-resisters who are the sheriffs, and the U.S. government officials committing state crimes are the outlaws.’ The historical and legal analysis provides information and understanding of inestimable value to all citizens who care about their country.” —Noam Chomsky “Francis Boyle has, once again, given us a valuable lesson in current history and invaluable insight into the role that lawyers must now play in defending human rights. He reminds us also that the significant cases are not ‘about the lawyers.’ We lawyers are called upon to give voice to the struggles and aspirations of others. This book will help us learn to play that role,” —Michael F. Tigar, Washington College of Law and Chair, ABA Section of Litigation, 1989-1990 In this indispensable book, distinguished activist lawyer Francis Boyle sounds an impassioned clarion call to citizen action against Bush administration policies, both domestic and international. Especially since the Reagan Administration, hundreds of thousands of Americans have used non-violent civil resistance to protest against elements of U.S. policy that violate basic principles of international law, the United States Constitution, and human rights. Such citizen protests have led to an unprecedented number of arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. Boyle, who has spent his career advising and defending civil resisters, explores how international law can be used to question the legality of specific U.S. government foreign and domestic policies. He focuses especially on the aftermath of 9/11 and the implications of the war on Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, the war on Iraq, the doctrine of preventive warfare, and the domestic abridgement of civil rights. Written for concerned citizens, activists, NGOs, civil resisters, their supporters, and their lawyers, Protesting Power provides the best legal and constitutional arguments to support and defend civil resistance activities. Including a number of compelling excerpts from his own trial appearances as an expert witness and as counsel, the author offers inspirational and practical advice for protesters who find themselves in court. This invaluable book stands alone as the only guide available on how to use international law, constitutional law, and the laws of war to defend peaceful non-violent protesters against governmental policies that are illegal and criminal. About the Author Francis Boyle is professor of law at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. A Harvard law graduate, for the past twenty years he has been involved as lawyer and/or witness in the major cases challenging U.S. defense policy, notably nuclear issues, and, in recent years, preemptive wars. He speaks and writes regularly on civil resistance and antiwar issues. War and Peace Library series November 2007, 256 pages ISBN 0-7425-3892-3 / 978-0-7425-3892-4 $24.95 paper ISBN 0-7425-3891-5 / 978-0-7425-3891-7 $75.00 cloth Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (Voice) 217-244-1478 (Fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:47 AM To: C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Bryan Savage >; Karen Aram >; Boyle, Francis A >;chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" I couldn’t agree with you more about HRC demonizing herself. She is a war criminal with a proven record that deserves vilification, and more. However, I see nothing to celebrate in Trump’s triumph. I think all of us on this email chain recognize and are gearing up for the struggles to come. I thought you’d be interested in Revolution newspaper’s comment below. Good news: Students and young people have been out in the streets already! A time for daring, not despair... Jay 5 a.m., November 9, 2016. A vile fascist has been elected President of the United States. There must be no illusions that somehow this will be OK. It won't. Every immigrant, woman, Black, Latino, Native American, Muslim or differently gendered person... every person who cares about the planet, every person with even an elementary sense of justice and compassion—all over the world—has reason to hurt and be concerned for the future like never before. All that Trump represents must not stand. Starting today, there must be massive resistance to everything Donald Trump represents and every reactionary measure that he has promised to deliver. This is a time for courage, not despair. Struggle, not retreat, escape or conciliation. Donald Trump promised to “Make America Great Again.” Hillary Clinton countered that America was already great. The reality: America Was Never Great. This country has been a nightmare from its founding with enslavement of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans, continuing through theft of Mexico and on through the endless wars and invasions of countries and peoples around the world while here at home the horror is unrelenting for tens of millions. The American nightmare is real, and it has just gotten more horrific. But, this too is real: Donald Trump is a grotesque representative of a system that has a name—capitalism-imperialism—and this system means, and can only mean, misery and horrors for majority of humanity. Through the whole election process this vicious buffoon has been treated as a legitimate candidate for president. Any system that treats such a racist and misogynist fascist as legitimate reveals itself to be illegitimate. There should be no illusions or rationalizations to explain this reality away. And, the fact that there has been and will continue to be such intense ugly infighting among the ruling class reveals a system facing major challenges and in crisis, and potential openings and freedom to be wrenched for the struggle of the people for a radically new and better world. Trump represents an even more grotesque and openly murderous form of this system, and his attacks against the people should be met with massive resistance. But what is needed will NOT be to return to what has been, continuing the same brutal system, its crimes and horrors. What is needed and possible is a radically new society, and a radically different kind of state, that will open the way and lead finally to the abolition of all forms of oppressive and repressive rule and all relations of domination and exploitation, throughout the world. This is a society charted and embodied in the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. This path-breaking work is authored by Bob Avakian, architect of the new communism, and the leader of the revolution—an ACTUAL revolution, to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time. HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution, from the Central Committee of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA starts with this foundational point: An actual revolution does not mean trying to make some changes withinthis system—it means overthrowing this system and bringing into being a radically different and far better system. This system of capitalism-imperialism cannot be reformed. There is no way, under this system, to put an end to the brutality and murder by police, the wars and destruction of people and the environment, the exploitation, oppression and degradation of millions and billions of people, including the half of humanity that is female, here and throughout the world—all of which is rooted in profound contradictions built into the basic functioning, relations, and structures of this system. Only an actual revolution can bring about the fundamental change that is needed. This is a time for Daring. People need to be in the streets and getting into, and getting with, the revolution. See "As news of Trump's election hits: Protests Erupt Across the Country" On Nov 9, 2016, at 08:43, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage > wrote: did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 19:13:34 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 19:13:34 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> <2A53DB53-B469-4C9F-899E-212614A8972B@gmail.com> Message-ID: And good riddance to the Nazi Faculty of the Carl Schmitt College of Law! May you go down and out with your Buddies Killer Koh and Clinton! Psychopaths all! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 1:02 PM To: Karen Aram Cc: Jay ; C. G. Estabrook ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; peace ; Peace-discuss List Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Thanks Karen. You are so very kind. And I want to thank Karen especially for being the Sparkplug behind our Rally against Killary’s Fellow Psychopath and War Criminal Killer Koh before the Nazi “Law” Faculty of the Carl Schmitt College of Law: Where Carl Schmitt’s Racist Nazi Shit stinks to High Heaven—poisoning and polluting the Good People of this Community. A Raw Sewage Pit that needs to be ABATED. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 12:51 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Jay >; C. G. Estabrook >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; peace >; Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Prof. Boyle I’m currently reading your book "United Ireland Human Rights and International Law”, whereby you take us through the process of establishing the "Irish Potato famine" as a precedent for genocide vs. those that would diminish the deaths of one million people in a crime perpetrated by the British. I’m only in the first quarter of the book, but I love it because it sets standards and provides arguments that anyone involved in anti-war activities can appreciate. I am honored to have met you. Karen Aram On Nov 9, 2016, at 09:42, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law by Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law. These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others. He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East. Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom. This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities. The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law. Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking. A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense. The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action. Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:57 AM To: Jay >; C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Yeah Jay—Civil Resistance is the way to go! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law ROWMAN & LITTLEFIELD 4501 Forbes Blvd., Suite 200 Lanham, Maryland 20706 LITTLEFIELD (800) 462-6420 www.RowmanLittlefield.com PROTESTING POWER WAR, RESISTANCE, AND LAW By Francis A. Boyle “If you believe Dante may be right, that “the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of moral crisis, remain neutral,” you need this book…If you are concerned that our country lives by its Constitution and laws, its often-proclaimed principles . . . you too should read this book. . ..If you cherish freedom, here is your chance to learn how much you have. A person ignorant of her rights has little advantage over those who have none,” —Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General “Francis Boyle, who has distinguished himself again and again as a fierce and brilliant defender of international law and human rights, now takes his mission one step further. He lays out a comprehensive argument in defense of citizens who commit civil resistance to protest illegal governmental aggressions and war crimes. He does so with impeccable research, stylistic elegance, and devastating evidence. This is an invaluable and powerful handbook for citizens who dare to challenge our war-makers,” —Howard Zinn “In this expert and lucid manual, international lawyer Francis Boyle focuses his attention on civil resistance, a category that he distinguishes sharply from civil disobedience. Civil resistance, he persuasively argues, is a ‘basic right’ of American citizens under international and domestic law, as ‘it is the civil-resisters who are the sheriffs, and the U.S. government officials committing state crimes are the outlaws.’ The historical and legal analysis provides information and understanding of inestimable value to all citizens who care about their country.” —Noam Chomsky “Francis Boyle has, once again, given us a valuable lesson in current history and invaluable insight into the role that lawyers must now play in defending human rights. He reminds us also that the significant cases are not ‘about the lawyers.’ We lawyers are called upon to give voice to the struggles and aspirations of others. This book will help us learn to play that role,” —Michael F. Tigar, Washington College of Law and Chair, ABA Section of Litigation, 1989-1990 In this indispensable book, distinguished activist lawyer Francis Boyle sounds an impassioned clarion call to citizen action against Bush administration policies, both domestic and international. Especially since the Reagan Administration, hundreds of thousands of Americans have used non-violent civil resistance to protest against elements of U.S. policy that violate basic principles of international law, the United States Constitution, and human rights. Such citizen protests have led to an unprecedented number of arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. Boyle, who has spent his career advising and defending civil resisters, explores how international law can be used to question the legality of specific U.S. government foreign and domestic policies. He focuses especially on the aftermath of 9/11 and the implications of the war on Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, the war on Iraq, the doctrine of preventive warfare, and the domestic abridgement of civil rights. Written for concerned citizens, activists, NGOs, civil resisters, their supporters, and their lawyers, Protesting Power provides the best legal and constitutional arguments to support and defend civil resistance activities. Including a number of compelling excerpts from his own trial appearances as an expert witness and as counsel, the author offers inspirational and practical advice for protesters who find themselves in court. This invaluable book stands alone as the only guide available on how to use international law, constitutional law, and the laws of war to defend peaceful non-violent protesters against governmental policies that are illegal and criminal. About the Author Francis Boyle is professor of law at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. A Harvard law graduate, for the past twenty years he has been involved as lawyer and/or witness in the major cases challenging U.S. defense policy, notably nuclear issues, and, in recent years, preemptive wars. He speaks and writes regularly on civil resistance and antiwar issues. War and Peace Library series November 2007, 256 pages ISBN 0-7425-3892-3 / 978-0-7425-3892-4 $24.95 paper ISBN 0-7425-3891-5 / 978-0-7425-3891-7 $75.00 cloth Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (Voice) 217-244-1478 (Fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:47 AM To: C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Bryan Savage >; Karen Aram >; Boyle, Francis A >;chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" I couldn’t agree with you more about HRC demonizing herself. She is a war criminal with a proven record that deserves vilification, and more. However, I see nothing to celebrate in Trump’s triumph. I think all of us on this email chain recognize and are gearing up for the struggles to come. I thought you’d be interested in Revolution newspaper’s comment below. Good news: Students and young people have been out in the streets already! A time for daring, not despair... Jay 5 a.m., November 9, 2016. A vile fascist has been elected President of the United States. There must be no illusions that somehow this will be OK. It won't. Every immigrant, woman, Black, Latino, Native American, Muslim or differently gendered person... every person who cares about the planet, every person with even an elementary sense of justice and compassion—all over the world—has reason to hurt and be concerned for the future like never before. All that Trump represents must not stand. Starting today, there must be massive resistance to everything Donald Trump represents and every reactionary measure that he has promised to deliver. This is a time for courage, not despair. Struggle, not retreat, escape or conciliation. Donald Trump promised to “Make America Great Again.” Hillary Clinton countered that America was already great. The reality: America Was Never Great. This country has been a nightmare from its founding with enslavement of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans, continuing through theft of Mexico and on through the endless wars and invasions of countries and peoples around the world while here at home the horror is unrelenting for tens of millions. The American nightmare is real, and it has just gotten more horrific. But, this too is real: Donald Trump is a grotesque representative of a system that has a name—capitalism-imperialism—and this system means, and can only mean, misery and horrors for majority of humanity. Through the whole election process this vicious buffoon has been treated as a legitimate candidate for president. Any system that treats such a racist and misogynist fascist as legitimate reveals itself to be illegitimate. There should be no illusions or rationalizations to explain this reality away. And, the fact that there has been and will continue to be such intense ugly infighting among the ruling class reveals a system facing major challenges and in crisis, and potential openings and freedom to be wrenched for the struggle of the people for a radically new and better world. Trump represents an even more grotesque and openly murderous form of this system, and his attacks against the people should be met with massive resistance. But what is needed will NOT be to return to what has been, continuing the same brutal system, its crimes and horrors. What is needed and possible is a radically new society, and a radically different kind of state, that will open the way and lead finally to the abolition of all forms of oppressive and repressive rule and all relations of domination and exploitation, throughout the world. This is a society charted and embodied in the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. This path-breaking work is authored by Bob Avakian, architect of the new communism, and the leader of the revolution—an ACTUAL revolution, to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time. HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution, from the Central Committee of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA starts with this foundational point: An actual revolution does not mean trying to make some changes withinthis system—it means overthrowing this system and bringing into being a radically different and far better system. This system of capitalism-imperialism cannot be reformed. There is no way, under this system, to put an end to the brutality and murder by police, the wars and destruction of people and the environment, the exploitation, oppression and degradation of millions and billions of people, including the half of humanity that is female, here and throughout the world—all of which is rooted in profound contradictions built into the basic functioning, relations, and structures of this system. Only an actual revolution can bring about the fundamental change that is needed. This is a time for Daring. People need to be in the streets and getting into, and getting with, the revolution. See "As news of Trump's election hits: Protests Erupt Across the Country" On Nov 9, 2016, at 08:43, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage > wrote: did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Nov 9 19:13:34 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 19:13:34 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" In-Reply-To: References: <5365C98A-AADD-4DAA-9646-045C26F6E7BF@newsfromneptune.com> <2A53DB53-B469-4C9F-899E-212614A8972B@gmail.com> Message-ID: And good riddance to the Nazi Faculty of the Carl Schmitt College of Law! May you go down and out with your Buddies Killer Koh and Clinton! Psychopaths all! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 1:02 PM To: Karen Aram Cc: Jay ; C. G. Estabrook ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass ; Peace Discuss ; David Johnson ; Stuart Levy ; Lina Thorne ; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Green ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien ; Szoke, Ron ; Belden Fields ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson ; peace ; Peace-discuss List Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Thanks Karen. You are so very kind. And I want to thank Karen especially for being the Sparkplug behind our Rally against Killary’s Fellow Psychopath and War Criminal Killer Koh before the Nazi “Law” Faculty of the Carl Schmitt College of Law: Where Carl Schmitt’s Racist Nazi Shit stinks to High Heaven—poisoning and polluting the Good People of this Community. A Raw Sewage Pit that needs to be ABATED. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 12:51 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Jay >; C. G. Estabrook >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; peace >; Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Prof. Boyle I’m currently reading your book "United Ireland Human Rights and International Law”, whereby you take us through the process of establishing the "Irish Potato famine" as a precedent for genocide vs. those that would diminish the deaths of one million people in a crime perpetrated by the British. I’m only in the first quarter of the book, but I love it because it sets standards and provides arguments that anyone involved in anti-war activities can appreciate. I am honored to have met you. Karen Aram On Nov 9, 2016, at 09:42, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law by Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law. These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others. He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East. Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom. This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities. The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law. Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking. A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense. The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action. Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:57 AM To: Jay >; C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Karen Aram >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: RE: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Yeah Jay—Civil Resistance is the way to go! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law ROWMAN & LITTLEFIELD 4501 Forbes Blvd., Suite 200 Lanham, Maryland 20706 LITTLEFIELD (800) 462-6420 www.RowmanLittlefield.com PROTESTING POWER WAR, RESISTANCE, AND LAW By Francis A. Boyle “If you believe Dante may be right, that “the hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in time of moral crisis, remain neutral,” you need this book…If you are concerned that our country lives by its Constitution and laws, its often-proclaimed principles . . . you too should read this book. . ..If you cherish freedom, here is your chance to learn how much you have. A person ignorant of her rights has little advantage over those who have none,” —Ramsey Clark, Former U.S. Attorney General “Francis Boyle, who has distinguished himself again and again as a fierce and brilliant defender of international law and human rights, now takes his mission one step further. He lays out a comprehensive argument in defense of citizens who commit civil resistance to protest illegal governmental aggressions and war crimes. He does so with impeccable research, stylistic elegance, and devastating evidence. This is an invaluable and powerful handbook for citizens who dare to challenge our war-makers,” —Howard Zinn “In this expert and lucid manual, international lawyer Francis Boyle focuses his attention on civil resistance, a category that he distinguishes sharply from civil disobedience. Civil resistance, he persuasively argues, is a ‘basic right’ of American citizens under international and domestic law, as ‘it is the civil-resisters who are the sheriffs, and the U.S. government officials committing state crimes are the outlaws.’ The historical and legal analysis provides information and understanding of inestimable value to all citizens who care about their country.” —Noam Chomsky “Francis Boyle has, once again, given us a valuable lesson in current history and invaluable insight into the role that lawyers must now play in defending human rights. He reminds us also that the significant cases are not ‘about the lawyers.’ We lawyers are called upon to give voice to the struggles and aspirations of others. This book will help us learn to play that role,” —Michael F. Tigar, Washington College of Law and Chair, ABA Section of Litigation, 1989-1990 In this indispensable book, distinguished activist lawyer Francis Boyle sounds an impassioned clarion call to citizen action against Bush administration policies, both domestic and international. Especially since the Reagan Administration, hundreds of thousands of Americans have used non-violent civil resistance to protest against elements of U.S. policy that violate basic principles of international law, the United States Constitution, and human rights. Such citizen protests have led to an unprecedented number of arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. Boyle, who has spent his career advising and defending civil resisters, explores how international law can be used to question the legality of specific U.S. government foreign and domestic policies. He focuses especially on the aftermath of 9/11 and the implications of the war on Afghanistan, the war on terrorism, the war on Iraq, the doctrine of preventive warfare, and the domestic abridgement of civil rights. Written for concerned citizens, activists, NGOs, civil resisters, their supporters, and their lawyers, Protesting Power provides the best legal and constitutional arguments to support and defend civil resistance activities. Including a number of compelling excerpts from his own trial appearances as an expert witness and as counsel, the author offers inspirational and practical advice for protesters who find themselves in court. This invaluable book stands alone as the only guide available on how to use international law, constitutional law, and the laws of war to defend peaceful non-violent protesters against governmental policies that are illegal and criminal. About the Author Francis Boyle is professor of law at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. A Harvard law graduate, for the past twenty years he has been involved as lawyer and/or witness in the major cases challenging U.S. defense policy, notably nuclear issues, and, in recent years, preemptive wars. He speaks and writes regularly on civil resistance and antiwar issues. War and Peace Library series November 2007, 256 pages ISBN 0-7425-3892-3 / 978-0-7425-3892-4 $24.95 paper ISBN 0-7425-3891-5 / 978-0-7425-3891-7 $75.00 cloth Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (Voice) 217-244-1478 (Fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:47 AM To: C. G. Estabrook > Cc: Bryan Savage >; Karen Aram >; Boyle, Francis A >;chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" I couldn’t agree with you more about HRC demonizing herself. She is a war criminal with a proven record that deserves vilification, and more. However, I see nothing to celebrate in Trump’s triumph. I think all of us on this email chain recognize and are gearing up for the struggles to come. I thought you’d be interested in Revolution newspaper’s comment below. Good news: Students and young people have been out in the streets already! A time for daring, not despair... Jay 5 a.m., November 9, 2016. A vile fascist has been elected President of the United States. There must be no illusions that somehow this will be OK. It won't. Every immigrant, woman, Black, Latino, Native American, Muslim or differently gendered person... every person who cares about the planet, every person with even an elementary sense of justice and compassion—all over the world—has reason to hurt and be concerned for the future like never before. All that Trump represents must not stand. Starting today, there must be massive resistance to everything Donald Trump represents and every reactionary measure that he has promised to deliver. This is a time for courage, not despair. Struggle, not retreat, escape or conciliation. Donald Trump promised to “Make America Great Again.” Hillary Clinton countered that America was already great. The reality: America Was Never Great. This country has been a nightmare from its founding with enslavement of Africans and the genocide of Native Americans, continuing through theft of Mexico and on through the endless wars and invasions of countries and peoples around the world while here at home the horror is unrelenting for tens of millions. The American nightmare is real, and it has just gotten more horrific. But, this too is real: Donald Trump is a grotesque representative of a system that has a name—capitalism-imperialism—and this system means, and can only mean, misery and horrors for majority of humanity. Through the whole election process this vicious buffoon has been treated as a legitimate candidate for president. Any system that treats such a racist and misogynist fascist as legitimate reveals itself to be illegitimate. There should be no illusions or rationalizations to explain this reality away. And, the fact that there has been and will continue to be such intense ugly infighting among the ruling class reveals a system facing major challenges and in crisis, and potential openings and freedom to be wrenched for the struggle of the people for a radically new and better world. Trump represents an even more grotesque and openly murderous form of this system, and his attacks against the people should be met with massive resistance. But what is needed will NOT be to return to what has been, continuing the same brutal system, its crimes and horrors. What is needed and possible is a radically new society, and a radically different kind of state, that will open the way and lead finally to the abolition of all forms of oppressive and repressive rule and all relations of domination and exploitation, throughout the world. This is a society charted and embodied in the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. This path-breaking work is authored by Bob Avakian, architect of the new communism, and the leader of the revolution—an ACTUAL revolution, to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time. HOW WE CAN WIN—How We Can Really Make Revolution, from the Central Committee of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA starts with this foundational point: An actual revolution does not mean trying to make some changes withinthis system—it means overthrowing this system and bringing into being a radically different and far better system. This system of capitalism-imperialism cannot be reformed. There is no way, under this system, to put an end to the brutality and murder by police, the wars and destruction of people and the environment, the exploitation, oppression and degradation of millions and billions of people, including the half of humanity that is female, here and throughout the world—all of which is rooted in profound contradictions built into the basic functioning, relations, and structures of this system. Only an actual revolution can bring about the fundamental change that is needed. This is a time for Daring. People need to be in the streets and getting into, and getting with, the revolution. See "As news of Trump's election hits: Protests Erupt Across the Country" On Nov 9, 2016, at 08:43, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: HRC 'demonized’ herself by being an enthusiastic participant in murder on behalf to the US 1% in Serbia, Honduras, Libya, Syria - and planning more. For the first time in 40 years we have a president(-elect) who’s not a neoconservative (more war) or a neoliberal (more inequality). Clinton is both. There are of course serious problems with a Trump presidency (climate change at the top of the list) and the War Party won’t go away (we still have two months of Obama) - but the news is surely good for the anti-war movement - and the world at large. --CGE On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:14 AM, Bryan Savage > wrote: did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Nov 9 19:20:42 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 19:20:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NO MORE JAILS Message-ID: Kudos to all those activists who worked tirelessly to bring about the failure of the “Jail Tax”. A small success for a lot of hard work, but well worth the effort. Thank you From moviatt2 at illinois.edu Thu Nov 10 03:54:19 2016 From: moviatt2 at illinois.edu (Mary Jane Oviatt) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2016 21:54:19 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Dakota Pipeline Protest Donation Drive Message-ID: Hi Everyone, A group of students here at the university are raising money for the Standing Rock Sioux in North Dakota. We are buying a tent and other winter camping supplies and delivering it to the camp next Friday. Please consider donating to our go fund me page to help those suffering oppression from militarized police butality up North. Let us use this opportunity to stand in solidarity with our native brothers and sisters and not submit to fear of the future. The future is in the hand's of the people, let us mold something great. Donation webpage: https://www.gofundme.com/secs-nodapl-trip Thank you, Mary Jane Oviatt President of Illini Young Green Party -- *Mary Jane Oviatt* University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana Natural Resource and Environmental Science - Human Dimensions of Environment Pi Beta Phi Fraternity (630)779-6697 moviatt2 at illinois.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Nov 10 07:37:15 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 01:37:15 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why it's good Clinton was defeated In-Reply-To: References: <20161106155718.222C026922@web-2.prod.news-gazette.com> Message-ID: <2C2BAE51-66E6-48ED-81C8-676A3B0A6B88@newsfromneptune.com> ...What’s certain [in a Trump presidency] is priorities will deviate from regime change in Russia and containment of China ... The Global Times, reflecting what the Chinese leadership really thinks, got the basics right; “He did not only beat Hillary Clinton, but also the traditional elite politics’ convictions and authority [that] she stands for.” What’s left unsaid is that this is a man Beijing can do business with... ...One cannot forget that Russia and China, in that order, remain the Pentagon’s top two “existential threats” ... Army Chief of Staff General Mark Milley stressed a war, against one of those threats or both, is “almost guaranteed.” It will be up to President Trump to defuse this madness. Unlike Hillary, who is a true believer in the doctrinal “first-strike” nuclear policy, Trump at least promised, in one of the debates, he would not start WWIII ... there won’t be neocon/neoliberalcons around to advocate a “muscular”, “interventionist” policy, from the Russian borderlands to the South China Sea all the way to an al-Qaeda Air Force-style “no-fly zone” Syria. Trump does not seem inclined to build “order” in the chaos the Empire fomented – from “Syraq” to Libya, Yemen and Somalia. He has only pledged to bomb ISIS/ISIL/Daesh to smithereens. ...Iran though will remain a flashpoint ... Yet don’t discount Trump proposing a – power-sharing — deal China simply won’t refuse, centered on respecting spheres of influence. The same could apply to Cold War 2.0 hysteria. It’s not far-fetched to see Trump accepting Crimea as part of the new status quo; a real Minsk II in Ukraine; and respecting Russia’s spheres of influence. In a flash, Cold War 2.0 will be gone. ...Don’t count on Trump being seduced by an “economic NATO”. What this would all mean, in the long run, is something quite extraordinary; the progressive dissolution of the US-EU politico/economic/military bloc, in parallel to the inexorable ascension of Eurasian integration – ranging from the China-Russia strategic partnership to the interlinking with the SCO and the BRICS… Ful article at https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201611091047255659-trump-elected-president-geopolitical-nine-eleven/ —CGE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenf1113 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 10 08:08:17 2016 From: stephenf1113 at yahoo.com (Stephen Francis) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 08:08:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE? References: <1368859289.953282.1478765297526.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1368859289.953282.1478765297526@mail.yahoo.com> I was curious about the scope of the web presence of AWARE on the internet. There doesn't seem to be anything. This may be by design considering the closed nature of the groups on Chambana.net. I'm not that familiar with what Chambana.net is, but ultimately it seems that nothing posted on AWARE gets out on the internet.  Anti-war.net has miniscule traffic. If I'm wrong about this, please someone let me know. Individual NewsFromNeptune videos get about 20 views per year. The postings on AWARE seem to be completely palatable to the general public. Many similar groups have a presence on social media with similar content and have thousands of members and a world-wide scope. https://www.facebook.com/AntiWarLeft/ You all might as well be in a little shack in the middle of a vast forest next to the tree that falls that makes no sound because there is no one present to hear it. I have a number of websites and a social media presence that reaches tens of thousands of people on all continents every month. My internet ranking is in the top .03% in the world. https://www.similarweb.com/website/newsfollowup.com 350k / 1.1billion total websites. I enjoy about 10 times the traffic of UCIMC.org I'm far less educated and articulate than most of the members of AWARE but with just a small skill set completely overwhelm AWARE's effect on the antiwar movement. We are both anti-war organizations, but that's where the comparison ends. I focus on Israel / Zionists role in war, but AWARE obfuscates or ignores their involvement.  There seems to be genuine effort to promote the anti-war cause but with this limitation, can anything really be accomplished? Being in a university town has a great deal to do with this, if you know what I mean. You stand on that corner once a month for over a decade now with little growth or change... what is this about? You seem to be content with your present direction. The evaluation and change process does not seem to be in the cards. It just seems to be a waste of substantial talent. I'm just thinking out loud here... and wondering ... what is the motivation and group psyche of AWARE....why would someone go out in the forest and just talk to the trees? and keep doing it year after year?   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Nov 10 17:29:13 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:29:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Which business Putin and Trump contrive - PravdaReport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Going back to the dialogue we had yesterday among some of us on this list: I wanted to convey to the Russians that at least some of us living in this country are not NUTCASES for war with them. Hence this interview. You might not agree with everything I am saying here. OK. Fine. I understand that. But that was my intention for doing this interview. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:27 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: Which business Putin and Trump contrive - PravdaReport https://shar.es/1IJGEH This message was sent using ShareThis (http://www.sharethis.com) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salevy at illinois.edu Thu Nov 10 19:05:19 2016 From: salevy at illinois.edu (Stuart Levy) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 13:05:19 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Dakota Pipeline Protest Donation Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9e1b70e8-67c8-1fe5-611f-c1b62210f477@illinois.edu> Mary Jane, this is wonderful. Are you going to have a presence at the Standing Rock benefit concert this Saturday at the IMC? On 11/9/16 9:54 PM, Mary Jane Oviatt via Peace-discuss wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > A group of students here at the university are raising money for the > Standing Rock Sioux in North Dakota. We are buying a tent and other > winter camping supplies and delivering it to the camp next Friday. > Please consider donating to our go fund me page to help those > suffering oppression from militarized police butality up North. > > Let us use this opportunity to stand in solidarity with our native > brothers and sisters and not submit to fear of the future. > > The future is in the hand's of the people, let us mold something great. > > Donation webpage: https://www.gofundme.com/secs-nodapl-trip > > > > Thank you, > > > Mary Jane Oviatt > > President of Illini Young Green Party > > -- > *Mary Jane Oviatt* > University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana > Natural Resource and Environmental Science - Human Dimensions of > Environment > Pi Beta Phi Fraternity > (630)779-6697 > moviatt2 at illinois.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moviatt2 at illinois.edu Thu Nov 10 20:44:24 2016 From: moviatt2 at illinois.edu (Mary Jane Oviatt) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:44:24 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Dakota Pipeline Protest Donation Drive In-Reply-To: <9e1b70e8-67c8-1fe5-611f-c1b62210f477@illinois.edu> References: <9e1b70e8-67c8-1fe5-611f-c1b62210f477@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Thank you David and Stuart :) I am planning on attending the concert on Saturday but I've only seen a flyer about it. Do you have anymore information on what is happening? On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Stuart Levy wrote: > Mary Jane, this is wonderful. > > Are you going to have a presence at the Standing Rock benefit concert this > Saturday at the IMC? > > > > > On 11/9/16 9:54 PM, Mary Jane Oviatt via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > A group of students here at the university are raising money for the > Standing Rock Sioux in North Dakota. We are buying a tent and other winter > camping supplies and delivering it to the camp next Friday. Please consider > donating to our go fund me page to help those suffering oppression from > militarized police butality up North. > > Let us use this opportunity to stand in solidarity with our native > brothers and sisters and not submit to fear of the future. > > The future is in the hand's of the people, let us mold something great. > > Donation webpage: https://www.gofundme.com/secs-nodapl-trip > > > > Thank you, > > > Mary Jane Oviatt > > President of Illini Young Green Party > > -- > *Mary Jane Oviatt* > University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana > Natural Resource and Environmental Science - Human Dimensions of > Environment > Pi Beta Phi Fraternity > (630)779-6697 > moviatt2 at illinois.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing listPeace-discuss at lists.chambana.nethttps://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > -- *Mary Jane Oviatt* University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana Natural Resource and Environmental Science - Human Dimensions of Environment Pi Beta Phi Fraternity (630)779-6697 moviatt2 at illinois.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salevy at illinois.edu Thu Nov 10 20:51:02 2016 From: salevy at illinois.edu (Stuart Levy) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 14:51:02 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Dakota Pipeline Protest Donation Drive In-Reply-To: References: <9e1b70e8-67c8-1fe5-611f-c1b62210f477@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <9c8027bf-8531-5d3d-517f-16fc4c1e4867@illinois.edu> For this Saturday's Standing Rock benefit concert (Nov 12, 1-10pm at the IMC), all I know is the Facebook event. It includes a flyer with a list of bands on it - maybe that is the same flyer you have seen. Kate Insolia (Cc'ed) is the organizer. https://www.facebook.com/events/195344260876359/ $10 minimum suggested donation This fundraising event will consist of a mix of live music from local bands, interspersed with presentations from Native American speakers about the current situation with DAPL, Native American culture, heritage, and history. Non-alcoholic drinks – juice/soda/bottled water – will be available for purchase from Lumen Catering Services at the event. Food at the event will be available for purchase from local-area food trucks stationed nearby the IMC. Make donations here: https://www.gofundme.com/cuswsr On 11/10/16 2:44 PM, Mary Jane Oviatt wrote: > Thank you David and Stuart :) > > I am planning on attending the concert on Saturday but I've only seen > a flyer about it. Do you have anymore information on what is happening? > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Stuart Levy > wrote: > > Mary Jane, this is wonderful. > > Are you going to have a presence at the Standing Rock benefit > concert this Saturday at the IMC? > > > > > On 11/9/16 9:54 PM, Mary Jane Oviatt via Peace-discuss wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> A group of students here at the university are raising money for >> the Standing Rock Sioux in North Dakota. We are buying a tent and >> other winter camping supplies and delivering it to the camp next >> Friday. Please consider donating to our go fund me page to help >> those suffering oppression from militarized police butality up North. >> >> Let us use this opportunity to stand in solidarity with our >> native brothers and sisters and not submit to fear of the future. >> >> The future is in the hand's of the people, let us mold something >> great. >> >> Donation webpage: https://www.gofundme.com/secs-nodapl-trip >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> >> Mary Jane Oviatt >> >> President of Illini Young Green Party >> >> -- >> *Mary Jane Oviatt* >> University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana >> Natural Resource and Environmental Science - Human Dimensions of >> Environment >> Pi Beta Phi Fraternity >> (630)779-6697 >> moviatt2 at illinois.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> > > -- > *Mary Jane Oviatt* > University of Illinois, Champaign-Urbana > Natural Resource and Environmental Science - Human Dimensions of > Environment > Pi Beta Phi Fraternity > (630)779-6697 > moviatt2 at illinois.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:00 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "Protesting Harold Koh" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SXDXZHYCYKc/mqdefault.jpg] Protesting Harold Koh by UPTV6 Local activists gather to protest Harold Koh who is speaking at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Thu Nov 10 23:18:14 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:18:14 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why Clinton's identity politics was no match for Trump's half-understood class politics In-Reply-To: References: <20161106155718.222C026922@web-2.prod.news-gazette.com> Message-ID: <847F9140-5C82-4696-8DFD-812DD87F17F1@newsfromneptune.com> http://seeyouin2020.blogspot.com/2016/11/hillary-plays-fiddle-as-democratic.html I think it's wrong to say "fascism is rising again," as in a repeat of the German 1930s, instructive as that period may be for us today. But it is true that neoliberalism is in crisis, and in America those most responsible are the people who abandoned the lessons of the 1930s - American liberals who gave up the New Deal tradition in the 1970s. "The first signs of the Democrats' transformation into a disguised tool of the status quo came in the years between the 1968 and 1972 election cycles, when the former supporters of George McGovern worked to reform the party. Though the Democratic Party under the McGovern coalition was more anti-war and pro-civil rights than the one before it, this new version of the Democrats had left behind many of the economically populist values that the party had previously represented [i.e., the New Deal tradition]… "In 1972, many working class whites who had used to make up the party's base realigned with the Republican Party, costing Democrats the election. This cleared the way for Jimmy Carter, the logical conclusion of the anti-worker Democratic standard that the party had adopted, to appear in 1976. "It was no coincidence that income inequality, long on the decline, then began to climb upward in the late 70's. [In fact, it was the desired result of the conscious, calculated 1970s movement in US business circles = neoliberalism.] Carter took on an elite-oriented approach to economics that none of his recent predecessors, Democratic or Republican, had come close to embracing, enacting deregulations, neglecting infrastructure and social spending, and failing to invest in jobs. Though most see Clinton as the first neoliberal Democratic president, the party had gone in that direction long before the 90’s. "The Democrats' corruption has only gotten worse since then, with the party being responsible for the Wall Street deregulations, anti-worker trade deals, cuts to the social safety net, and other policies which have driven economic inequality to levels unprecedented in American history. Therefore, it's no wonder that Republicans have been able to get working class whites solidly on their side since 1972, and it should certainly come as no shock that Trump was able to so successfully utilize this anger against the economic order which Democrats represent. "New Yorker writer George Packer, in an article about the disillusionment so many economically insecure people are feeling towards the Democratic Party, assesses the mindset of the early 70's McGovern Democrats as they decided to re-route their party's direction away from economic populism: 'The class rhetoric of the New Deal sounded out of date, and the problems it addressed appeared to have been solved by the wide prosperity of the postwar years.' This exposes the irony of the situation; the Democrats of four decades ago, forgetful of the reason their party had shifted towards economic populism during the 1930's and 40's (hint: extreme wealth inequality), saw no problem with pivoting towards big business and setting society on the same track that had led it into the great economic and political disasters of the 20th century…" —CGE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Fri Nov 11 17:29:13 2016 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 17:29:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Enthusiasm for weapons Message-ID: <5BCD42E6-A6D2-4B03-A23B-29CDE78FDD4A@illinois.edu> Defense stocks rocket higher as Trump victory, GOP sweep spur spending hopes Wall Street Journal MarketWatch 11/9/16 By TOMI KILGORE Defense stocks surged Wednesday, with a number of them running up to record highs, as Donald Trump’s election victory and the Republican sweep of Congress spurred hopes of increased spending. The iShares U.S. Aerospace & Defense exchange-traded fund ITA, +0.60% powered up 4.3% to a record close, with 34 of 37 equity components trading higher. That outperformed the broader stock market, as the S&P 500 index SPX, -0.27% rose 1.1% and the Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, -0.02% tacked on 1.4%. See Market Snapshot. Among the companies with the largest market capitalizations, shares of Northrop Grumman Corp. NOC, +0.49% surged 5.4%, General Dynamics Corp. GD, +0.29% ran up 5.4% and Raytheon Co. RTN, -0.14% climbed 7.5%, with closing at all-time highs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Nov 11 19:16:40 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2016 19:16:40 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] We Came, We Saw, S/he Died In-Reply-To: References: <15849b74cae-1bf6-14a70@webprd-a89.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: I just came up with a new Motto for my Law School: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law—“Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 9:38 AM To: Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; carl at newsfromneptune.com; futureup2us at gmail.com; Readel, Karin ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; cge at shout.net; bryan at sneezingdogs.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: We Came, We Saw, S/he Died Nice one Midge—made my day! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Mildred O'brien [mailto:moboct1 at aim.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 9:32 AM To: peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; carl at newsfromneptune.com; futureup2us at gmail.com; Readel, Karin >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; cge at shout.net; bryan at sneezingdogs.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; Boyle, Francis A >; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: We Came, We Saw, S/he Died I woke up about 2 am and turned on the radio just in time to hear the Trumpet blow (Hillary's concession message by phone followed about an hour later)! Imagine having to hear that horn for four more years or until America gets "Great" Again, but at least we won't have to listen to Hillary's yelling anymore. According to the DNC/dacc it's all my fault their candidate lost for not sending in my daily $3 (after they found out Bernie could make millions from small donors). If all it takes to win is $$ then I guess Golden-Sachs, Lynda & Stewart Resnick and Haim Saban (among other bileionaires (except Declan Kelly anymore after Chelsea complained about his "using" her father) who also let her down by not imparting enough of their blessings on her campaign. I guess the Trumpet got more largess from the likes of Sheldon Adleson (the snake) and other purchasers of democracy, but I let Hill down by not giving my last buck (excuse me, vote). Now she can save her vocal cords for 20/20 (heck, Bernie was that old), or else return to Little Rock with Bill, where he can resume his life of snorting and whoring ouside the limelight. No more stress of choosing the next drone kill or pushback from disgruntled liberals when she approves Keystone Pipeline and TPP. Now the Clintons can schmooze in privacy with the Sauds, Wall Street buddies, relax with Bibi along the banks of the Dead (sic) Sea and cavort with the Resnicks and the rich and famous. She didn't marry so far down to a guy from Hope! Wait'll next time! Midge O'Brien@ -----Original Message----- From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > To: Karen Aram > Cc: Peace Discuss >; C. G. Estabrook >; Jay >; Readel, Karin >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 >; C. G. Estabrook >; Bryan Savage >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; Amanda Bass >; Dave Trippel >; Boyle, Francis A >; mickalideh >; Lina Thorne >; chicago > Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2016 7:47 am Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Oh, climate change, I forgot to mention the Republicans are generally climate change deniers. If that doesn’t spell doom I don’t know what does. On Nov 9, 2016, at 05:44, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Something no one is talking about, the Republicans have taken both the House and Senate. Republicans are generally war hawks, supporting the military, and policies of austerity. With a Republican Presidency we are likely to see more of the same we’ve had under the Democrats. What we may see is more transparency, in that the Republicans will be obvious, unlike the Democrats who say one thing, then do another. On Nov 9, 2016, at 05:18, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Stick your callow indifference up where the sun don’t shine! Fab. At the request of Jeff and Bryan, I have removed them from my list. Adios! There is no such thing as “vilification” of War Criminals and Psychopaths like Clinton, Killer Koh, Slaughtered, Power and this entire Gang of Dem War Criminals and Psychopaths. They are just the Sons and the Daughters of the Best and the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. And if we are just lucky, removing them from power just might have avoided war with Russia—as Karen pointed out in her Letter to the News Gazette. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Bryan Savage [mailto:bryan at sneezingdogs.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 7:15 AM To: Karen Aram > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" did anyone stop to think that demonizing HRC and supporting third parties might actually help put trump in office? or does everyone on this list have clean hands and a clean conscience and feel that they took no part in electing this: take me off this list. On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:08 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: We have to double down our efforts in building the Green Party, given what we are facing. Will Trump demilitarize, as some on the left seem to think? I doubt it. Let’s see who he chooses for his Cabinet. He already has a war monger/fascist style for a running mate. On Nov 9, 2016, at 04:57, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For the Greens on the list:Too bad what happened to Jill. I voted for her the last time too. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 6:25 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: chicago at worldcantwait.net; Amanda Bass >; C. G. Estabrook >; C. G. Estabrook >; Peace Discuss >; David Johnson >; Stuart Levy >; Lina Thorne >; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Green >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien >; Szoke, Ron >; Readel, Karin >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Belden Fields >; jmachota at shout.net; Vietnam Veterans Against the War Mailing List >; Bryan Savage >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; David Swanson >; Jay > Subject: Re: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" YESSS, not that I supported Trump, but glad to see warmonger, establishment supported Hillary out of power. On Nov 9, 2016, at 03:56, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: A Poem By the Ed Norton Professor of Law At the Carl Schmitt College of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 5:42 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: Good Riddance Killary! Hillary R Clinton. We Came, We Saw, He Died" Good riddance Killary! You Psychopath and War Criminal! Take Killer Koh with you! That Psychopath and War Criminal! Ditto for Ann Marie Slaughtered ! Another Psychopath and War Criminal! The Same for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power! Yet another Harvard Law Psychopath and War Criminal! Harvard Law and Yale Law specialize in producing Psychopaths and War Criminals. Speaking of Obama But for now: Let us Cleanse the Dems’ Augean Stables of Psychopaths and War Criminals There in DC. Fab. Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "(Know Your ENEMY) Hillary R Clinton. 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:50 AM SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: RE: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA According to the Wall Street Journal, the Heritage Foundation is running Trump's "transition"--just like Heritage did for Reagan. Alright all you Reaganite Dinosaurs out there polish up your resumes and send them to your good ole buddy Ed Meese at Heritage. Bob, I think they can find you and John of Grenada Moore some nice cushy slots in the Trump administration--how about polishing Trump's boots at Trump Tower? Larry Tribe has a lock on the EPA. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:44 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/40217-donald-trump-may-select-an-architect-of-bushs-torture-program-to-run-cia Sent from my iPhone ________________________________ View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=38603&anc=p38603#p38603 View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ This email has been sent to: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 12 11:56:38 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:56:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! References: Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 5:26 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: FW: The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! Fast Eddie Meese and I are old friends from way back when this Carl Schmitt College of Law invited Meese to speak “in honor” of the Constitution. As I told the media at the time, that was like asking Atalla the Hun to say a few words in honor of virginity. So all you Reaganite Dinosaurs polish up your resumes and send them to Fast Eddie. RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (died October 28,2016) Fab. The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can’t refuse! | Print | Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 0 0 0 New [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan’s Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned—note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan’s Attorney General Edmund Meese in order “to honor” the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak “in honor” of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen’s Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled “We The People.” The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese’s Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below—always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus “right” to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens—though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of—and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: "Francis Boyle" - Google Blog Search Posted on: Monday, March 12, 2012 2:54 PM Author: mwcnews at gmail.com (Francis Boyle) Subject: The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! By Francis Boyle. Share Link: Bookmark Google Yahoo MyWeb Del.icio.us Digg Facebook Myspace Reddit Ma.gnolia Technorati Stumble Upon Newsvine · View Comments. Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese ... View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So I want all you Feddies out there to break out your dancing shoes and bring them to the Trump Inauguration where you can "Do The Feddie!". The Trump administration will be "Back to the Future." So Retro! Fab -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 8:57 AM Subject: DO THE FEDDIE! Well, I am probably dating myself here ,but thirty five years ago today, America was in the throes of the so-called British invasion of the American rock scene. One of those many groups was Freddie and the Dreamers, with their new hit song, "Do the Freddie!", and their new dance craze, "The Freddie." All three--the group, the song and the dance--disappeared without a trace into Trotsky's ashcan of history. Until today! Worming their way back into the hearts of America, the Halls of Congress, and across American TV screens everywhere is the new hit song "Do the Feddie!", the new dance craze "The Feddie", brought to you by the latest shlock/rock group, Feddie and the Schemers--STARRING, Ken "Big Tobacco" Starr, Fast Eddie Meese, Brad "Little Bigot" Reynolds, Bob "Intellectual Feast" Bork, Lino "Bell Curve" Graglia, and Ronnie Rotunda, the first Rolls Royce Professor of "Poverty Sucks" Law. So let's everyone "Do the Feddie!" Do The Feddie! by Feddie and the Schemers (To the Tune of "Do the Freddie!") If the facts don't fit, Bring in Linda Tripp, To concoct it, Do the Feddie! Do the Feddie! One step forward, Two steps back, Now double-cross your partners, Then stab 'em in the back. If your case is weak, Then you have to leak, Rule 6 be freaked. Do the Feddie! Do the Feddie! One step forward, Two steps back, Now double-cross your partners, Then stab 'em in the back. When the dirt's so deep, That you have to creep, Way beneath the heap, Get a Feddie! Get a Feddie! One step forward, Two steps back, Now double-cross your partners, Then stab 'em in the back. When your Bell Curve Busts Just Wear it is a Truss To Dance the Feddie Support the Feddies! Support the Feddies! One step forward, Two steps back, Now double-cross your partners, Then stab 'em in the back. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is dedicated to the ones I love..... Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, Ill. 61820 Phone: 217-333-7954 Fax: 217-244-1478 fboyle at law.uiuc.edu This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient please delete all copies. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 12 12:02:05 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:02:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trumpsters "Do The Feddie" While Hijacking Justice! Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:01 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Trumpsters "Do The Feddie" While Hijacking Justice! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) S P E C I A L R E P O R T H I J A C K I N G J U S T I C E The Federalist Society, a Right-wing network of lawyers, judges and supporters, is undoing civil rights and other gains made through the courts BY GEORGE E. CURRY & TREVOR W. COLEMAN EMERGE, OCTOBER 1999 WHEN BROWN VS. BOARD OF EDUCATION WAS BEING ARGUED, a clerk to U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson suggested that the court should rule against the plaintiffs in the landmark school desegregation case. While making the case for maintaining segregated schools, the clerk sent a memo to his boss saying, "It is about time the Court faced the fact that white people in the South don't like the colored people." That clerk was William Rehnquist, now chief justice of the United States Supreme Court. Seeking to put his own ultraconservatives on the Supreme Court with Rehnquist, President Ronald Reagan -- who had appointed more than half of the sitting federal judges by the time he left office -- considered nominating Lino A. Graglia, a controversial University of Texas law professor, as a federal appeals court judge for the 5th Circuit. But the nomination, which had been backed by Attorney General Edwin Meese III, was jettisoned after Graglia acknowledged that he had referred to African-Americans as "pickaninnies." The American Bar Association found the law professor "not qualified" to serve on the federal bench. Reagan did nominate Robert H. Bork, a former Yale law professor, who was on the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. Bork had opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act, calling it "an unwanted intrusion on the right of individuals to choose with whom to associate." After bitter debate, the Senate rejected his nomination in 1987 by a vote of 58 to 42. Far from fading into the background, Bork, Meese, and to a lesser extent, Graglia, are key players in the Federalist Society, a powerful Right-wing network intent on restricting the power of courts, often at the expense of African-Americans and other people of color, the poor, women and the disadvantaged. The organization actively seeks to limit "judicial activism" and reverse Supreme Court landmark rulings since the New Deal, especially those issued in the 1960s and '70s. Special targets include the 1966 Miranda decision that provides certain rights for suspected criminals, the 1973 Roe vs. Wade ruling legalizing abortion and recent civil rights legislation. Founded in 1982 by three law students, the Federalist Society has grown into one of the most influential institutions in America. Four of the nine members of the U.S. Supreme Court -- Clarence Thomas, William H. Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia and Anthony M. Kennedy -- are close affiliates of the Federalist Society. So are Donald P. Hodel, former president of the Christina Coalition, and special prosecutor Kenneth Starr. The Federalist Society's board of trustees is co-chaired by Bork and U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch -- one of the most conservative members on Capitol Hill. Other trustees include former Attorney General Meese, William Bradford Reynolds, who was assistant attorney general for civil rights in the Reagan Administration, sought to have court-ordered affirmative action programs overturned, and C. Boyden Gray, former President Bush's chief White House attorney, who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1991. In a world being reshaped by the Federalist Society, conservative law students have formed chapters on campuses across the nation. After graduation, they clerk for conservative judges and then go on to become high-ranking government officials, partners in major law firms, prosecutors, law school professors and judges at the local, state and federal level. In short, the Federalist Society is on the verge of hijacking the judicial system. "This is more than an attack on affirmative action being spear-headed by the Federalist Society lawyers," observes Francis A. Boyle, a law professor at the University of Illinois. "They want to go beyond getting rid of affirmative action. They want to go back to Brown vs. Board of Education. "We have Justice Antonin Scalia (who advised the Federalist Society at its inception and later hired two of its three founders as his law clerks), who two years ago gave a public lecture at Columbia Law School where he stated if Brown vs. Board of Education was to be presented to him today, he would rule against the plaintiff. In other words, this was a threat that if Brown vs. Board of Education was voted on before the Supreme Court, he would overturn it." That type of thinking disturbs Lawrence E. Walsh. Before becoming president of the American Bar Association in 1975, Walsh chaired an ABA panel that approved President Nixon's choices of federal appeals judges, Clement Haynesworth and G. Harold Carswell, to serve on the Supreme Court. In 1969, the Senate rejected Haynesworth because of conflict-of-interest fears. The following year, Carswell was rejected by the Senate after it was disclosed that he had given a speech as a lawyer expressing his "vigorous belief in the principles of White supremacy." "My concern is there is going to be a cleavage in the courts between the Federalist Society members and nonmembers," says Walsh, a former federal judge. "Anything that perpetuates that kind of ideological cleavage is not good for the unity of the court system. Ideally, it seems to me that judges should avoid memberships [in politically and substantively motivated organizations] but, of course, they don't do that." In fact, the ABA, in one of its publications on judicial independence, concludes: "A judge's impartiality and ability to interpret and apply the laws fairly are integral to the administration of justice." But a judge's membership in an organization -- whether it's the American Civil Liberties Union on the Left or the Federalist Society on the Right -- can influence whether a judge is perceived as being unbiased, a critical element in a judicial system that prides itself on being fair. Harold D. Pope, president of the National Bar Association, says: "People who are opposing the expansion of rights and opportunities for all people in this society we feel are working against America's best interest. We would hope that all jurists, no matter what their prior political persuasion, would deal objectively with the facts of law as they come before them, as they were sworn to do so when they first sat on the bench." The expansion of the Federalist Society, which has adopted a silhouette of James Madison as its symbol, comes at a time when the legal community is worried about a loss of public confidence. An ABA special committee on judicial independence issued a report in August titled "Protecting the Bulwark of the Republic: Ensuring Public Support of the Judicial Process." The report states, "According to the ABA survey, only about half of the respondents believed that our justice system treats men and women equally. Even fewer believed that courts treat members of different ethnic groups or wealthy and poor people the same." The report continues, "As [former] ABA President [Philip S.] Anderson recently stated: "We must work on this problem for as long as it takes to make our profession equally open and our system of justice equally responsive to all members of our society, regardless of color. This is the ultimate challenge to the integrity of the rule of law in America.'" But the Federalist Society is interested in a challenge of a different kind. To its credit, the organization operates with an open and very public agenda. On its web page, for example, it lays out its conservative agenda. "The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies is a group of conservatives and libertarians interested in the current state of the legal order. It is founded on the principles that the state exists to preserve freedom, that the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution, and that it is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to say what the law is, not what it should be. The Society seeks both to promote an awareness of these principles and to further their application through its activities." Even conservative write Michael Lind would call this 19th-century view "the Confederate theory of the Constitution." Speakers at one national Federalist Society-sponsored lawyers convention proposed far-reaching judicial reforms that included the abolition of judicial review, limiting the powers of federal courts and stripping the Supreme Court of jurisdiction over certain matters. Mary Frances Berry, chair of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, is worried about more than theory. "What is scary about the Federalist Society is that it is antiquated and atavistic," she says. "Their views on natural law, libertarianism and the limited power of government to respond when people are being discriminated against is scary -- for African-Americans, especially. The more people you have who expose those views on the court, the more dangerous it becomes for every one of our lives." In this book, Firewall: The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover Up, Walsh writes: "In calling for the narrow construction of constitutional grants of governmental power, the Federalist Society seemed to speak for right-wing Republicans. I was especially troubled that one of White House Counsel Boyden Gray's assistants had openly declared that no one who was not a member of the Federalist Society had received a judicial appointment from President Bush." Brian W. Jones, a San Francisco lawyer and member of the Federalist Society, believes that his group is being maligned. "I reject out of hand that Federalists are hostile to civil rights," says Jones, an African-American who was deputy legal affairs secretary to California Gov. Pete Wilson and former counsel to Hatch's Senate Judiciary Committee. "Most members of the Federalist Society would agree that the government has no business making racial distinctions of any kind among its citizens. I would argue that is a very credible view of civil rights. "On civil rights and civil liberty issues, Federalist Society judges tend to have a more limited view of the federal government's authority to respond to a whole range of questions. For conservatives, the first question with any inquiry into responding to social problems is: Where does the authority lie, with the federal government or state and local governments?" Another African-American, Gerald Reynolds, is vice chairman of membership for the Federalist Society. "There are some people who embrace this principle of racial neutrality," says the Kansas City, Mo., lawyer. "This debate flows from principles and not from animosity toward Blacks." The national office of the Federalist Society in Washington, D.C., refused to provide the names of judges on its membership list. However, some of the organization's records were obtained by Emerge from other sources. An examination of Federalist Society documents for 1997 and 1998, the most current information available at press time, reveals the extent that the group has penetrated the courts. When looking at the board of directors of local chapters, officers, their advisory panels and membership lists, it is clear that when one goes to court seeking justice, he or she is increasingly likely to have a judge affiliated with the Federalist Society handling the case. During the period studied, that was true whether one was entering a courtroom in New York, Michigan or Alabama. (The titles of persons listed hereafter reflect the positions they held at the time the records were compiled by the Federalist Society; some of the judges have since been elevated to a higher court.) In New York state, judges serving as officers, directors or advisers to the local chapters included Thomas P. Griesa, chief judge of the U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York, as well as District Judges Shirley Wohl Kram, Lawrence M. McKenna and John E. Sprizzo. A U.S. Appeals Court Judge for the Second Circuit, Dennis G. Jacobs, was also among that group. The Long Island advisory board included U.S. District Judge Michael Fiechter, U.S. Court of International Trade Judge Gregory W. Carman and State Supreme Court Judges Jack Dunne and Ute Lally. In Michigan, judges aligned with the Federalist Society included James L. Ryan and Richard F. Suhreinrich of the U.S. Court of Appeals; Federal District Judges Paul V. Gadola, David W. McKeague, Gerald E. Rosen and Lawrence P. Zatkoff; and U.S. Magistrate Judge Virginia M. Morgan. State Supreme Court Justices Clifford W. Taylor and Elizabeth A. Weaver were listed as advisers to the Detroit chapter. So were Maura D. Corrigan, chief judge of the Michigan Court of Appeals, along with fellow judges Stephen J. Markman, Henry W. Saad, and Robert Young Jr. (an African-American who has since been elevated to the Michigan Supreme Court). The chief judge of the Washtenaw County Circuit Court in Grand Rapids, Kurtis T. Wilder (another African-Americana who is now on the Michigan Court of Appeals), and Wayne County Circuit Judges Sean Cox, Michael J. Talbot and Brian Zahra helped complete the list. Local chapters in Alabama were advised by Perry O. Hooper Sr., chief justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama, along with Associate Justices J. Gorman Houston, Harold See and A. Hugh Maddox. U.S. Sen. Jefferson B. Sessions III also supported the organization. (Sessions was nominated to become a federal judge in 1986 but was blocked when it was disclosed that he had called the NAACP and the American Civil Liberties Union "un-American" and "communist-inspired," and said they "force civil rights down the throats of people." Referring to the Ku Klux Klan, he reportedly said, "I used to think they're OK," until he learned that some Klansmen were "pot smokers." Sessions contended the remarks were either made in jest or had been misinterpreted.) Additional supporters listed included Randall T. Shepard, chief justice of the Indiana Supreme Court; Craig Enoch, chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court; South Carolina Attorney General Charles Molony Condon; Alabama Attorney General William Pryor (who has links on his web page to the Federalist Society and the conservative Washington Legal Foundation), Pennsylvania Attorney General D. Michael Fisher; Indianapolis Mayor Stephen Goldsmith and Clarence Thomas' wife, Virginia, a former aide to House majority leader Richard Armey, and who now works for the Heritage Foundation. As the presiding officials in courts, judges wield broad power. For example, U.S. District Judge Neal B. Biggers Jr., who sits on the advisory board of the Mississippi chapter of the Federalist Society, presided over the Ayers desegregation case. In 1975, Jake Ayers Sr., a Mississippi sharecropper, sued the state on behalf of his son, charging that the state's higher education system discriminated against African-Americans and historically Black colleges. In 1987, Biggers upheld the state College Board's contention that Mississippi's higher education system was no longer racially discriminatory. The Supreme Court reversed Biggers in 1991 and ordered him to remove any vestiges of past discrimination. The power of the Federalist Society is not limited to the judiciary, which would be concern enough. Its tentacles extend deep into corporate America. Listed members of its business advisory council included John Stewart Bryan, III, chairman, president and C.E.O. of Media General Cable; John G. Medlin Jr., board chair of Wachovia Corp., an interstate bank holding company; Geneva Steel C.E.O. Joseph Cannon and Robert L. Strickland, chairman of Lowe's Companies. Also affiliated with the Federalist Society are Brian J. Brille and David Panton of Morgan Stanley financial services in New York; William Haraf of Bank of America in San Francisco; Chris Ekren of Sony Corp. in San Jose, Calif.; Frank Blake of General Electric in Schenechtedy, N.Y.; Philip R. Lochner Jr., senior vice president, Time Warner Inc. in New York; William Kemp of General Motors in Warren, Mich.; Edward Whelan of GTE Corp.'s Washington office; David Askin of Exxon Co. in Baytown, Texas; Marsha Rabiteau of Dow Chemical in Midland, Mich.; F. James Tennies, chief administrative officer at Legg Mason for asset management in Baltimore; Jodi Balsam, counsel for operations and litigation for the National Football League and Tom Donahue of Metropolitan Life. Even federal employees in the Clinton administration were included in Federalist Society documents: Paul-Noel Chretien of the Justice Department; Theodore Cooperstein of the FBI; Carol Crawford of the International Trade Commission; Kevin Martin of the Federal Communications Commission and Christopher Holleman of the U.S. Small Business Administration. William Saunders of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights also backs the Society. Many of the nation's blue-chip law firms have attorneys associated with the Federalist Society. Those listed included lawyers in the Washington, D.C. law firms of Arnold and Porter; Covington & Burling; Steptoe & Johnson; Hogan & Hartson; Patton, Boaggs & Blow; and Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering. New York law firms with lawyers associated with the Federalist Society include: Cravath, Swaine & Moore; White & Case and Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison. In Boston, one law firm -- Hale and Door -- has at least 10 attorneys affiliated with the Federalist Society. The list of law professors associated with the society included Ronald A. Cass, dean of Boston University's law school; Michael Young of Columbia University; John Yoo of the University of California at Berkeley; Eugene Volokh of UCLA; Northwestern University professors Gary Lawson, Daniel D. Polsby and Stephen B. Presser; Robert P. George of Princeton; Gerard Bradley of Notre Dame; Gordon B. Baldwin of the University of Wisconsin, Olan B. Lowry of Temple; Johathan Macey and Richard Painter of Cornell; Ronald D. Rotunda of the University of Illinois; Gerald T. Dunn of St. Louis University and Thomas Morgan of George Washington University. The University of Virginia, one of the best law schools in the nation, has quite a few Federalist Society professors or sympathizers on its faculty, including John Norton Moore, Robert Turner, Erika Worth Harris and Lillian BeVier. "People have to understand, whether they like lawyers or not, law schools have an enormous amount of power, whether it's power for good or evil. Unfortunately, what we are seeing under the Federalist Society is law schools and legal education being used to promote racism, bigotry and Right-wing politics. These people believe in the Bell Curve," says Prof. Boyle of the University of Illinois, referring to a controversial theory by Charles Murray and Richard J. Herrnstein about the supposed low intelligence level of some non-Whites. "You have to understand that. Just as the Federalist Society did to the federal judiciary, they are now trying to do to law schools." Boyle and others say this is done by establishing well-endowed law professorships and speaking tours for the true believers. "Where they once were scholars with Right-wing foundations like the Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute and the Cato Institute, they are now getting credentialed as law professors," he notes. No comparable movement exists among progressives, which may explain why civil rights groups and liberals are doing such a feeble job defending affirmative action. "We've got to realize that while we have been dillydallying in law schools with critical race theories and penetrating the Law Review, all this is chump change to [Federalists]," observes Berry, of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. "It's like we were out playing whiffle ball while they were exercising power." The Federalist Society was founded 17 years ago by Yale Law School student Steven G. Calabresi and two counterparts at the University of Chicago School of Law, Lee Liberman and David McIntosh. All three were undergraduates together at Yale. Upset with what they perceived as liberal bias, the three decided to form an organization for conservative law students. Yale professors Robert H. Bork and Ralph K. Winter, both of whom would be appointed to the federal bench by Ronald Reagan, served as advisers to the Yale chapter. In Chicago, future U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia served in a similar capacity. The contacts the three made as students have proven to be invaluable. Calabresi, in addition to clerking for Bork and Winter, clerked for Scalia at the Supreme Court. He is now a law professor at Northwestern University. Liberman gave up a post in the Justice Department also to clerk for Scalia. She is now Lee Liberman Otis and is chief counsel for Sen. Spencer Abraham (R-Mich.), who founded a Federalist Society chapter at Harvard. McIntosh was a special assistant to Ed Meese when he was Reagan's attorney general; he is a three-term Republican Congressman who's considering running for governor of Indiana. In addition to a board of trustees, the society has a board of directors, co-chaired by Calabresi and McIntosh. The Federalist pipeline is a well-oiled old boy -- and sometimes girl -- network. For example, Brent O. Hatch, the son of Sen. Orrin Hatch, clerked for Robert Bork when he was a federal judge in Washington, D.C. After working in the Justice Department, young Hatch was appointed general counsel of the National Endowment for the Humanities at the age of 28. He is treasurer of the Federalist Society's board of directors. The organization has been funded by wealthy conservatives, such as Richard Mellon Scaife, who is vice chair of the Heritage Foundation's board, and another board member, Holland Coors, a member of the conservative Coors family. Many contributions are made through foundations that give to Right-wing causes, including the John M. Olin Foundation in New York, the Sarah Scaife Foundation in Pittsburgh, the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation of Milwaukee and the Deer Creek Foundation in St. Louis. The Federalists have direct ties to Right-wing think tanks seeking to dismantle affirmative action at the local, state and federal levels. The Center for Individual Rights, which successfully argued the Hopwood case that banned affirmative action at the University of Texas, represents plaintiffs in a lawsuit pending against the University of Michigan and were lawyers for supporters of Proposition 209, the anti-affirmative action measure in California. The Washington Legal Foundation sued the University of Maryland, forcing it to drop its Benjamin Banneker scholarships for African-American scholars; the Southeastern Legal Foundation is leading an all-out assault on affirmative action in Atlanta, and the Institute for Justice led the attack on Lani Guinier, then a University of Pennsylvania law professor, who was President Clinton's first choice to be assistant U.S. attorney general for civil rights. Clint Bolick, the group's vice president, dismissed Guinier as a "quota queen," and the eventual nominee, Deval L. Patrick, as a "quota king." He also led the opposition to the appointment of Bill Lann Lee, who was later named acting assistant attorney general for civil rights. When first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton said that there was a "vast Right-wing conspiracy" afoot that had been hounding her husband since he first announced for president, some Right-wingers almost laughingly dismissed her charges. Special Prosecutor Ken Starr called the comments "nonsense." And Boston Herald columnist Joe Fitzgerald said the first lady had "wandered into paranoia." But information developed by the Institute for Democracy Studies, a nonprofit research and education organization in New York, confirms that the first lady was on the mark. In the executive summary of its report, "The Assault on Affirmative Action: An Organized Challenge to Racial and Gender Justice," the organization notes, "Once a month at the Heritage Foundation, representatives of the nation's leading conservative law groups get together for a 'luncheon.' This so-called Public Interest Legal Group meeting is just one of several monthly gatherings that right-wing law groups hold." The report continues: "These meetings serve the purpose of avoiding duplication of effort, airing future plans, and providing guidance for an appropriate organizational division of labor." In an interview with Emerge, Todd G. Young, director of research and communications for the Atlanta-based Southeastern Legal Foundation, confirms that Right-wing groups collaborate. "We read each other's briefs (as they are filed) and when there are updates published by other groups," he says. "Although we are separate entities, we share some common understandings about the Constitutions and our (mission) statements are really almost identical for the organizations." Of its recent lawsuit against Atlanta's affirmative action program, Young notes: "We're refining the definition of what it means to enjoy equal protection under the law and the first step is to end any government-sanctioned discrimination, such as affirmative action programs or racial preference programs. It's philosophically inconsistent to say it was bad then [in the 1950s and 1960s] but it's OK now." Atlanta Mayor Bill Campbell says it's not OK to discard programs devised to address discrimination against African-Americans. "Conservative legal interest groups, such as the Center for Individual Rights and the Southeastern Legal Foundation, are striking at the very heart of the civil rights gains of the '50s and '60s," explains Campbell. "These groups are, in essence, a homogenized version of the Klan. They may have traded in their sheets for suits and use different language, but it's the same old racism -- just old wine in new bottles." The Federalist Society takes its name from The Federalist papers, 85 articles originally published in New York newspapers between 1787 and 1788. The authors -- Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison -- were attempting to gain popular support for the adoption of a new Constitution. "Is The Federalist the key to what the Constitution's framers and adopters intended it to mean and how they expected it to function?" asked R. B. Bernstein, a constitutional historian who wrote the foreword to The Federalist, a recent reissue of the papers. "This subset of the original-intent controversy tends to pit many historians, who remain dubious about original-intent arguments, against many legal scholars, who seek a way to limit judicial discretion by anchoring constitutional interpretation in the Constitution's origins." Bernstein argued that the public should not look at the essays, all written under one pen name, as the definitive word on how the Constitution should be interpreted. "Jay was not a delegate to the Federal Convention, which framed the Constitution...[Hamilton] left the Convention in July, not returning until two weeks before its close in September. And Madison...found himself outvoted on a host of major issues," Bernstein noted. Moreover, as The Federalist papers became the classic commentary on the Constitution, the three men publicly identified themselves as the authors. Even that was not without controversy. Before his ill-fated duel with Aaron Burr, Hamilton tried to take credit for writing papers 18-20, 49-58 and 62-63. Madison made an identical claim of authorship, which was verified through a computer analysis in 1964. The most damning fact about today's Federalists is that they advocate a limited role for the federal government, while the early founders were interested in establishing a strong central government. Some civil rights leaders, including Theodore M. Shaw, associate director-counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc., view the rhetoric of the modern-day Federalists as smokescreen for an assault on civil rights. "It's ideologically out of the mainstream and a part of the radically conservative agenda and the radically conservative agenda has never served the interest of African-Americans," Shaw says. Hilary O. Shelton, Washington bureau chief of the NAACP, is less charitable: "They are not conservative. They are very consistent with the Council of Conservative Citizens," a White supremacy group that has featured Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.) as speakers. Surprisingly, some of the harshest criticism of Federalist Society members has come from Republicans. For example, former Attorney General Meese, a main player in the Federalist movement, has been criticized by some of his colleagues in the Reagan administration. According to The Washington Post, James A. Baker III and Michael K. Deaver referred to Meese as the "Big Bigot," and conservatives referred to his top assistant, T. Kenneth Cribb Jr., as the "Baby Bigot." Cribb sits on the board of directors of the Federalist Society and is a trustee of the Scaife Foundation, a major contributor to the Federalist Society and other Right-wing causes. Graglia, who has taught at the University of Texas since 1966, touched off a controversy two years ago, when he said, "Blacks and Mexican Americans are not academically competitive with Whites in selective institutions." According to Graglia, "It is the result primarily of cultural effects. Failure is not looked upon with disgrace." He maintains his membership in the Federalist Society. "They certainly are unenthusiastic about civil rights laws," he says of his organization. "Richard Epstein [a law professor at the University of Chicago] thinks we will be better off if civil rights laws were all repealed. These people do believe, as I believe, that so-called civil rights have gone too far and are not civil rights at all." Because so many of the Federalist Society members are seen as opposing civil rights, some people are not quick to accept their professed interest in color-blind justice. U.S. Appeals Court Judge Stephen Reinhardt of the 9th Circuit observes, "We had the Civil War over states' rights. There is no question we are going back to the pre-Civil War view of governments." Former federal Judge Lawrence Walsh puts it more bluntly. "The impression I have is they are trying to return to the 18th century and undo the work of the Supreme Court since the New Deal," Walsh says. "And I think it is wrong to put someone on the court who has a pre-commitment with a political dogma, whether it's the Ku Klux Klan or the Federalist Society." -- Additional reporting by Lottie L. Joiner From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 12 12:08:04 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:08:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trumpsters "Do The Feddie" While Hijacking Justice! Message-ID: I know people are pretty upset with Trump winning. But take heart! We have dealt with these people before. We will deal with them again. Indeed, we already know their playbook. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law:Mein Fuhrer, I can walk! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:02 AM To: 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'carl at newsfromneptune.com' ; 'futureup2us at gmail.com' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'cge at shout.net' ; 'a23h23 at yahoo.com' ; 'davidcnswanson at gmail.com' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'davetrippel at ameritech.net' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'lina at worldcantwait.net' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' Subject: FW: Trumpsters "Do The Feddie" While Hijacking Justice! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:01 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Trumpsters "Do The Feddie" While Hijacking Justice! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) S P E C I A L R E P O R T H I J A C K I N G J U S T I C E The Federalist Society, a Right-wing network of lawyers, judges and supporters, is undoing civil rights and other gains made through the courts BY GEORGE E. CURRY & TREVOR W. COLEMAN EMERGE, OCTOBER 1999 WHEN BROWN VS. BOARD OF EDUCATION WAS BEING ARGUED, a clerk to U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson suggested that the court should rule against the plaintiffs in the landmark school desegregation case. While making the case for maintaining segregated schools, the clerk sent a memo to his boss saying, "It is about time the Court faced the fact that white people in the South don't like the colored people." That clerk was William Rehnquist, now chief justice of the United States Supreme Court. Seeking to put his own ultraconservatives on the Supreme Court with Rehnquist, President Ronald Reagan -- who had appointed more than half of the sitting federal judges by the time he left office -- considered nominating Lino A. Graglia, a controversial University of Texas law professor, as a federal appeals court judge for the 5th Circuit. But the nomination, which had been backed by Attorney General Edwin Meese III, was jettisoned after Graglia acknowledged that he had referred to African-Americans as "pickaninnies." The American Bar Association found the law professor "not qualified" to serve on the federal bench. Reagan did nominate Robert H. Bork, a former Yale law professor, who was on the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. Bork had opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act, calling it "an unwanted intrusion on the right of individuals to choose with whom to associate." After bitter debate, the Senate rejected his nomination in 1987 by a vote of 58 to 42. Far from fading into the background, Bork, Meese, and to a lesser extent, Graglia, are key players in the Federalist Society, a powerful Right-wing network intent on restricting the power of courts, often at the expense of African-Americans and other people of color, the poor, women and the disadvantaged. The organization actively seeks to limit "judicial activism" and reverse Supreme Court landmark rulings since the New Deal, especially those issued in the 1960s and '70s. Special targets include the 1966 Miranda decision that provides certain rights for suspected criminals, the 1973 Roe vs. Wade ruling legalizing abortion and recent civil rights legislation. Founded in 1982 by three law students, the Federalist Society has grown into one of the most influential institutions in America. Four of the nine members of the U.S. Supreme Court -- Clarence Thomas, William H. Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia and Anthony M. Kennedy -- are close affiliates of the Federalist Society. So are Donald P. Hodel, former president of the Christina Coalition, and special prosecutor Kenneth Starr. The Federalist Society's board of trustees is co-chaired by Bork and U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch -- one of the most conservative members on Capitol Hill. Other trustees include former Attorney General Meese, William Bradford Reynolds, who was assistant attorney general for civil rights in the Reagan Administration, sought to have court-ordered affirmative action programs overturned, and C. Boyden Gray, former President Bush's chief White House attorney, who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1991. In a world being reshaped by the Federalist Society, conservative law students have formed chapters on campuses across the nation. After graduation, they clerk for conservative judges and then go on to become high-ranking government officials, partners in major law firms, prosecutors, law school professors and judges at the local, state and federal level. In short, the Federalist Society is on the verge of hijacking the judicial system. "This is more than an attack on affirmative action being spear-headed by the Federalist Society lawyers," observes Francis A. Boyle, a law professor at the University of Illinois. "They want to go beyond getting rid of affirmative action. They want to go back to Brown vs. Board of Education. "We have Justice Antonin Scalia (who advised the Federalist Society at its inception and later hired two of its three founders as his law clerks), who two years ago gave a public lecture at Columbia Law School where he stated if Brown vs. Board of Education was to be presented to him today, he would rule against the plaintiff. In other words, this was a threat that if Brown vs. Board of Education was voted on before the Supreme Court, he would overturn it." That type of thinking disturbs Lawrence E. Walsh. Before becoming president of the American Bar Association in 1975, Walsh chaired an ABA panel that approved President Nixon's choices of federal appeals judges, Clement Haynesworth and G. Harold Carswell, to serve on the Supreme Court. In 1969, the Senate rejected Haynesworth because of conflict-of-interest fears. The following year, Carswell was rejected by the Senate after it was disclosed that he had given a speech as a lawyer expressing his "vigorous belief in the principles of White supremacy." "My concern is there is going to be a cleavage in the courts between the Federalist Society members and nonmembers," says Walsh, a former federal judge. "Anything that perpetuates that kind of ideological cleavage is not good for the unity of the court system. Ideally, it seems to me that judges should avoid memberships [in politically and substantively motivated organizations] but, of course, they don't do that." In fact, the ABA, in one of its publications on judicial independence, concludes: "A judge's impartiality and ability to interpret and apply the laws fairly are integral to the administration of justice." But a judge's membership in an organization -- whether it's the American Civil Liberties Union on the Left or the Federalist Society on the Right -- can influence whether a judge is perceived as being unbiased, a critical element in a judicial system that prides itself on being fair. Harold D. Pope, president of the National Bar Association, says: "People who are opposing the expansion of rights and opportunities for all people in this society we feel are working against America's best interest. We would hope that all jurists, no matter what their prior political persuasion, would deal objectively with the facts of law as they come before them, as they were sworn to do so when they first sat on the bench." The expansion of the Federalist Society, which has adopted a silhouette of James Madison as its symbol, comes at a time when the legal community is worried about a loss of public confidence. An ABA special committee on judicial independence issued a report in August titled "Protecting the Bulwark of the Republic: Ensuring Public Support of the Judicial Process." The report states, "According to the ABA survey, only about half of the respondents believed that our justice system treats men and women equally. Even fewer believed that courts treat members of different ethnic groups or wealthy and poor people the same." The report continues, "As [former] ABA President [Philip S.] Anderson recently stated: "We must work on this problem for as long as it takes to make our profession equally open and our system of justice equally responsive to all members of our society, regardless of color. This is the ultimate challenge to the integrity of the rule of law in America.'" But the Federalist Society is interested in a challenge of a different kind. To its credit, the organization operates with an open and very public agenda. On its web page, for example, it lays out its conservative agenda. "The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies is a group of conservatives and libertarians interested in the current state of the legal order. It is founded on the principles that the state exists to preserve freedom, that the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution, and that it is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to say what the law is, not what it should be. The Society seeks both to promote an awareness of these principles and to further their application through its activities." Even conservative write Michael Lind would call this 19th-century view "the Confederate theory of the Constitution." Speakers at one national Federalist Society-sponsored lawyers convention proposed far-reaching judicial reforms that included the abolition of judicial review, limiting the powers of federal courts and stripping the Supreme Court of jurisdiction over certain matters. Mary Frances Berry, chair of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, is worried about more than theory. "What is scary about the Federalist Society is that it is antiquated and atavistic," she says. "Their views on natural law, libertarianism and the limited power of government to respond when people are being discriminated against is scary -- for African-Americans, especially. The more people you have who expose those views on the court, the more dangerous it becomes for every one of our lives." In this book, Firewall: The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover Up, Walsh writes: "In calling for the narrow construction of constitutional grants of governmental power, the Federalist Society seemed to speak for right-wing Republicans. I was especially troubled that one of White House Counsel Boyden Gray's assistants had openly declared that no one who was not a member of the Federalist Society had received a judicial appointment from President Bush." Brian W. Jones, a San Francisco lawyer and member of the Federalist Society, believes that his group is being maligned. "I reject out of hand that Federalists are hostile to civil rights," says Jones, an African-American who was deputy legal affairs secretary to California Gov. Pete Wilson and former counsel to Hatch's Senate Judiciary Committee. "Most members of the Federalist Society would agree that the government has no business making racial distinctions of any kind among its citizens. I would argue that is a very credible view of civil rights. "On civil rights and civil liberty issues, Federalist Society judges tend to have a more limited view of the federal government's authority to respond to a whole range of questions. For conservatives, the first question with any inquiry into responding to social problems is: Where does the authority lie, with the federal government or state and local governments?" Another African-American, Gerald Reynolds, is vice chairman of membership for the Federalist Society. "There are some people who embrace this principle of racial neutrality," says the Kansas City, Mo., lawyer. "This debate flows from principles and not from animosity toward Blacks." The national office of the Federalist Society in Washington, D.C., refused to provide the names of judges on its membership list. However, some of the organization's records were obtained by Emerge from other sources. An examination of Federalist Society documents for 1997 and 1998, the most current information available at press time, reveals the extent that the group has penetrated the courts. When looking at the board of directors of local chapters, officers, their advisory panels and membership lists, it is clear that when one goes to court seeking justice, he or she is increasingly likely to have a judge affiliated with the Federalist Society handling the case. During the period studied, that was true whether one was entering a courtroom in New York, Michigan or Alabama. (The titles of persons listed hereafter reflect the positions they held at the time the records were compiled by the Federalist Society; some of the judges have since been elevated to a higher court.) In New York state, judges serving as officers, directors or advisers to the local chapters included Thomas P. Griesa, chief judge of the U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York, as well as District Judges Shirley Wohl Kram, Lawrence M. McKenna and John E. Sprizzo. A U.S. Appeals Court Judge for the Second Circuit, Dennis G. Jacobs, was also among that group. The Long Island advisory board included U.S. District Judge Michael Fiechter, U.S. Court of International Trade Judge Gregory W. Carman and State Supreme Court Judges Jack Dunne and Ute Lally. In Michigan, judges aligned with the Federalist Society included James L. Ryan and Richard F. Suhreinrich of the U.S. Court of Appeals; Federal District Judges Paul V. Gadola, David W. McKeague, Gerald E. Rosen and Lawrence P. Zatkoff; and U.S. Magistrate Judge Virginia M. Morgan. State Supreme Court Justices Clifford W. Taylor and Elizabeth A. Weaver were listed as advisers to the Detroit chapter. So were Maura D. Corrigan, chief judge of the Michigan Court of Appeals, along with fellow judges Stephen J. Markman, Henry W. Saad, and Robert Young Jr. (an African-American who has since been elevated to the Michigan Supreme Court). The chief judge of the Washtenaw County Circuit Court in Grand Rapids, Kurtis T. Wilder (another African-Americana who is now on the Michigan Court of Appeals), and Wayne County Circuit Judges Sean Cox, Michael J. Talbot and Brian Zahra helped complete the list. Local chapters in Alabama were advised by Perry O. Hooper Sr., chief justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama, along with Associate Justices J. Gorman Houston, Harold See and A. Hugh Maddox. U.S. Sen. Jefferson B. Sessions III also supported the organization. (Sessions was nominated to become a federal judge in 1986 but was blocked when it was disclosed that he had called the NAACP and the American Civil Liberties Union "un-American" and "communist-inspired," and said they "force civil rights down the throats of people." Referring to the Ku Klux Klan, he reportedly said, "I used to think they're OK," until he learned that some Klansmen were "pot smokers." Sessions contended the remarks were either made in jest or had been misinterpreted.) Additional supporters listed included Randall T. Shepard, chief justice of the Indiana Supreme Court; Craig Enoch, chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court; South Carolina Attorney General Charles Molony Condon; Alabama Attorney General William Pryor (who has links on his web page to the Federalist Society and the conservative Washington Legal Foundation), Pennsylvania Attorney General D. Michael Fisher; Indianapolis Mayor Stephen Goldsmith and Clarence Thomas' wife, Virginia, a former aide to House majority leader Richard Armey, and who now works for the Heritage Foundation. As the presiding officials in courts, judges wield broad power. For example, U.S. District Judge Neal B. Biggers Jr., who sits on the advisory board of the Mississippi chapter of the Federalist Society, presided over the Ayers desegregation case. In 1975, Jake Ayers Sr., a Mississippi sharecropper, sued the state on behalf of his son, charging that the state's higher education system discriminated against African-Americans and historically Black colleges. In 1987, Biggers upheld the state College Board's contention that Mississippi's higher education system was no longer racially discriminatory. The Supreme Court reversed Biggers in 1991 and ordered him to remove any vestiges of past discrimination. The power of the Federalist Society is not limited to the judiciary, which would be concern enough. Its tentacles extend deep into corporate America. Listed members of its business advisory council included John Stewart Bryan, III, chairman, president and C.E.O. of Media General Cable; John G. Medlin Jr., board chair of Wachovia Corp., an interstate bank holding company; Geneva Steel C.E.O. Joseph Cannon and Robert L. Strickland, chairman of Lowe's Companies. Also affiliated with the Federalist Society are Brian J. Brille and David Panton of Morgan Stanley financial services in New York; William Haraf of Bank of America in San Francisco; Chris Ekren of Sony Corp. in San Jose, Calif.; Frank Blake of General Electric in Schenechtedy, N.Y.; Philip R. Lochner Jr., senior vice president, Time Warner Inc. in New York; William Kemp of General Motors in Warren, Mich.; Edward Whelan of GTE Corp.'s Washington office; David Askin of Exxon Co. in Baytown, Texas; Marsha Rabiteau of Dow Chemical in Midland, Mich.; F. James Tennies, chief administrative officer at Legg Mason for asset management in Baltimore; Jodi Balsam, counsel for operations and litigation for the National Football League and Tom Donahue of Metropolitan Life. Even federal employees in the Clinton administration were included in Federalist Society documents: Paul-Noel Chretien of the Justice Department; Theodore Cooperstein of the FBI; Carol Crawford of the International Trade Commission; Kevin Martin of the Federal Communications Commission and Christopher Holleman of the U.S. Small Business Administration. William Saunders of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights also backs the Society. Many of the nation's blue-chip law firms have attorneys associated with the Federalist Society. Those listed included lawyers in the Washington, D.C. law firms of Arnold and Porter; Covington & Burling; Steptoe & Johnson; Hogan & Hartson; Patton, Boaggs & Blow; and Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering. New York law firms with lawyers associated with the Federalist Society include: Cravath, Swaine & Moore; White & Case and Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison. In Boston, one law firm -- Hale and Door -- has at least 10 attorneys affiliated with the Federalist Society. The list of law professors associated with the society included Ronald A. Cass, dean of Boston University's law school; Michael Young of Columbia University; John Yoo of the University of California at Berkeley; Eugene Volokh of UCLA; Northwestern University professors Gary Lawson, Daniel D. Polsby and Stephen B. Presser; Robert P. George of Princeton; Gerard Bradley of Notre Dame; Gordon B. Baldwin of the University of Wisconsin, Olan B. Lowry of Temple; Johathan Macey and Richard Painter of Cornell; Ronald D. Rotunda of the University of Illinois; Gerald T. Dunn of St. Louis University and Thomas Morgan of George Washington University. The University of Virginia, one of the best law schools in the nation, has quite a few Federalist Society professors or sympathizers on its faculty, including John Norton Moore, Robert Turner, Erika Worth Harris and Lillian BeVier. "People have to understand, whether they like lawyers or not, law schools have an enormous amount of power, whether it's power for good or evil. Unfortunately, what we are seeing under the Federalist Society is law schools and legal education being used to promote racism, bigotry and Right-wing politics. These people believe in the Bell Curve," says Prof. Boyle of the University of Illinois, referring to a controversial theory by Charles Murray and Richard J. Herrnstein about the supposed low intelligence level of some non-Whites. "You have to understand that. Just as the Federalist Society did to the federal judiciary, they are now trying to do to law schools." Boyle and others say this is done by establishing well-endowed law professorships and speaking tours for the true believers. "Where they once were scholars with Right-wing foundations like the Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute and the Cato Institute, they are now getting credentialed as law professors," he notes. No comparable movement exists among progressives, which may explain why civil rights groups and liberals are doing such a feeble job defending affirmative action. "We've got to realize that while we have been dillydallying in law schools with critical race theories and penetrating the Law Review, all this is chump change to [Federalists]," observes Berry, of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. "It's like we were out playing whiffle ball while they were exercising power." The Federalist Society was founded 17 years ago by Yale Law School student Steven G. Calabresi and two counterparts at the University of Chicago School of Law, Lee Liberman and David McIntosh. All three were undergraduates together at Yale. Upset with what they perceived as liberal bias, the three decided to form an organization for conservative law students. Yale professors Robert H. Bork and Ralph K. Winter, both of whom would be appointed to the federal bench by Ronald Reagan, served as advisers to the Yale chapter. In Chicago, future U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia served in a similar capacity. The contacts the three made as students have proven to be invaluable. Calabresi, in addition to clerking for Bork and Winter, clerked for Scalia at the Supreme Court. He is now a law professor at Northwestern University. Liberman gave up a post in the Justice Department also to clerk for Scalia. She is now Lee Liberman Otis and is chief counsel for Sen. Spencer Abraham (R-Mich.), who founded a Federalist Society chapter at Harvard. McIntosh was a special assistant to Ed Meese when he was Reagan's attorney general; he is a three-term Republican Congressman who's considering running for governor of Indiana. In addition to a board of trustees, the society has a board of directors, co-chaired by Calabresi and McIntosh. The Federalist pipeline is a well-oiled old boy -- and sometimes girl -- network. For example, Brent O. Hatch, the son of Sen. Orrin Hatch, clerked for Robert Bork when he was a federal judge in Washington, D.C. After working in the Justice Department, young Hatch was appointed general counsel of the National Endowment for the Humanities at the age of 28. He is treasurer of the Federalist Society's board of directors. The organization has been funded by wealthy conservatives, such as Richard Mellon Scaife, who is vice chair of the Heritage Foundation's board, and another board member, Holland Coors, a member of the conservative Coors family. Many contributions are made through foundations that give to Right-wing causes, including the John M. Olin Foundation in New York, the Sarah Scaife Foundation in Pittsburgh, the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation of Milwaukee and the Deer Creek Foundation in St. Louis. The Federalists have direct ties to Right-wing think tanks seeking to dismantle affirmative action at the local, state and federal levels. The Center for Individual Rights, which successfully argued the Hopwood case that banned affirmative action at the University of Texas, represents plaintiffs in a lawsuit pending against the University of Michigan and were lawyers for supporters of Proposition 209, the anti-affirmative action measure in California. The Washington Legal Foundation sued the University of Maryland, forcing it to drop its Benjamin Banneker scholarships for African-American scholars; the Southeastern Legal Foundation is leading an all-out assault on affirmative action in Atlanta, and the Institute for Justice led the attack on Lani Guinier, then a University of Pennsylvania law professor, who was President Clinton's first choice to be assistant U.S. attorney general for civil rights. Clint Bolick, the group's vice president, dismissed Guinier as a "quota queen," and the eventual nominee, Deval L. Patrick, as a "quota king." He also led the opposition to the appointment of Bill Lann Lee, who was later named acting assistant attorney general for civil rights. When first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton said that there was a "vast Right-wing conspiracy" afoot that had been hounding her husband since he first announced for president, some Right-wingers almost laughingly dismissed her charges. Special Prosecutor Ken Starr called the comments "nonsense." And Boston Herald columnist Joe Fitzgerald said the first lady had "wandered into paranoia." But information developed by the Institute for Democracy Studies, a nonprofit research and education organization in New York, confirms that the first lady was on the mark. In the executive summary of its report, "The Assault on Affirmative Action: An Organized Challenge to Racial and Gender Justice," the organization notes, "Once a month at the Heritage Foundation, representatives of the nation's leading conservative law groups get together for a 'luncheon.' This so-called Public Interest Legal Group meeting is just one of several monthly gatherings that right-wing law groups hold." The report continues: "These meetings serve the purpose of avoiding duplication of effort, airing future plans, and providing guidance for an appropriate organizational division of labor." In an interview with Emerge, Todd G. Young, director of research and communications for the Atlanta-based Southeastern Legal Foundation, confirms that Right-wing groups collaborate. "We read each other's briefs (as they are filed) and when there are updates published by other groups," he says. "Although we are separate entities, we share some common understandings about the Constitutions and our (mission) statements are really almost identical for the organizations." Of its recent lawsuit against Atlanta's affirmative action program, Young notes: "We're refining the definition of what it means to enjoy equal protection under the law and the first step is to end any government-sanctioned discrimination, such as affirmative action programs or racial preference programs. It's philosophically inconsistent to say it was bad then [in the 1950s and 1960s] but it's OK now." Atlanta Mayor Bill Campbell says it's not OK to discard programs devised to address discrimination against African-Americans. "Conservative legal interest groups, such as the Center for Individual Rights and the Southeastern Legal Foundation, are striking at the very heart of the civil rights gains of the '50s and '60s," explains Campbell. "These groups are, in essence, a homogenized version of the Klan. They may have traded in their sheets for suits and use different language, but it's the same old racism -- just old wine in new bottles." The Federalist Society takes its name from The Federalist papers, 85 articles originally published in New York newspapers between 1787 and 1788. The authors -- Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison -- were attempting to gain popular support for the adoption of a new Constitution. "Is The Federalist the key to what the Constitution's framers and adopters intended it to mean and how they expected it to function?" asked R. B. Bernstein, a constitutional historian who wrote the foreword to The Federalist, a recent reissue of the papers. "This subset of the original-intent controversy tends to pit many historians, who remain dubious about original-intent arguments, against many legal scholars, who seek a way to limit judicial discretion by anchoring constitutional interpretation in the Constitution's origins." Bernstein argued that the public should not look at the essays, all written under one pen name, as the definitive word on how the Constitution should be interpreted. "Jay was not a delegate to the Federal Convention, which framed the Constitution...[Hamilton] left the Convention in July, not returning until two weeks before its close in September. And Madison...found himself outvoted on a host of major issues," Bernstein noted. Moreover, as The Federalist papers became the classic commentary on the Constitution, the three men publicly identified themselves as the authors. Even that was not without controversy. Before his ill-fated duel with Aaron Burr, Hamilton tried to take credit for writing papers 18-20, 49-58 and 62-63. Madison made an identical claim of authorship, which was verified through a computer analysis in 1964. The most damning fact about today's Federalists is that they advocate a limited role for the federal government, while the early founders were interested in establishing a strong central government. Some civil rights leaders, including Theodore M. Shaw, associate director-counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc., view the rhetoric of the modern-day Federalists as smokescreen for an assault on civil rights. "It's ideologically out of the mainstream and a part of the radically conservative agenda and the radically conservative agenda has never served the interest of African-Americans," Shaw says. Hilary O. Shelton, Washington bureau chief of the NAACP, is less charitable: "They are not conservative. They are very consistent with the Council of Conservative Citizens," a White supremacy group that has featured Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.) as speakers. Surprisingly, some of the harshest criticism of Federalist Society members has come from Republicans. For example, former Attorney General Meese, a main player in the Federalist movement, has been criticized by some of his colleagues in the Reagan administration. According to The Washington Post, James A. Baker III and Michael K. Deaver referred to Meese as the "Big Bigot," and conservatives referred to his top assistant, T. Kenneth Cribb Jr., as the "Baby Bigot." Cribb sits on the board of directors of the Federalist Society and is a trustee of the Scaife Foundation, a major contributor to the Federalist Society and other Right-wing causes. Graglia, who has taught at the University of Texas since 1966, touched off a controversy two years ago, when he said, "Blacks and Mexican Americans are not academically competitive with Whites in selective institutions." According to Graglia, "It is the result primarily of cultural effects. Failure is not looked upon with disgrace." He maintains his membership in the Federalist Society. "They certainly are unenthusiastic about civil rights laws," he says of his organization. "Richard Epstein [a law professor at the University of Chicago] thinks we will be better off if civil rights laws were all repealed. These people do believe, as I believe, that so-called civil rights have gone too far and are not civil rights at all." Because so many of the Federalist Society members are seen as opposing civil rights, some people are not quick to accept their professed interest in color-blind justice. U.S. Appeals Court Judge Stephen Reinhardt of the 9th Circuit observes, "We had the Civil War over states' rights. There is no question we are going back to the pre-Civil War view of governments." Former federal Judge Lawrence Walsh puts it more bluntly. "The impression I have is they are trying to return to the 18th century and undo the work of the Supreme Court since the New Deal," Walsh says. "And I think it is wrong to put someone on the court who has a pre-commitment with a political dogma, whether it's the Ku Klux Klan or the Federalist Society." -- Additional reporting by Lottie L. Joiner From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 12 12:09:35 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:09:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trumpsters "Do The Feddie" While Hijacking Justice! Message-ID: And don't anyone waste any of your time listening to anything over at the Carl Schmitt College of Law. They have completely discredited and disgraced themselves. They are beyond redemption. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:08 AM To: 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'carl at newsfromneptune.com' ; 'futureup2us at gmail.com' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'cge at shout.net' ; 'a23h23 at yahoo.com' ; 'davidcnswanson at gmail.com' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'davetrippel at ameritech.net' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'lina at worldcantwait.net' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' Subject: RE: Trumpsters "Do The Feddie" While Hijacking Justice! I know people are pretty upset with Trump winning. But take heart! We have dealt with these people before. We will deal with them again. Indeed, we already know their playbook. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law:Mein Fuhrer, I can walk! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:02 AM To: 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'carl at newsfromneptune.com' ; 'futureup2us at gmail.com' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'cge at shout.net' ; 'a23h23 at yahoo.com' ; 'davidcnswanson at gmail.com' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'davetrippel at ameritech.net' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'lina at worldcantwait.net' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' Subject: FW: Trumpsters "Do The Feddie" While Hijacking Justice! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:01 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Trumpsters "Do The Feddie" While Hijacking Justice! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) S P E C I A L R E P O R T H I J A C K I N G J U S T I C E The Federalist Society, a Right-wing network of lawyers, judges and supporters, is undoing civil rights and other gains made through the courts BY GEORGE E. CURRY & TREVOR W. COLEMAN EMERGE, OCTOBER 1999 WHEN BROWN VS. BOARD OF EDUCATION WAS BEING ARGUED, a clerk to U.S. Supreme Court Justice Robert Jackson suggested that the court should rule against the plaintiffs in the landmark school desegregation case. While making the case for maintaining segregated schools, the clerk sent a memo to his boss saying, "It is about time the Court faced the fact that white people in the South don't like the colored people." That clerk was William Rehnquist, now chief justice of the United States Supreme Court. Seeking to put his own ultraconservatives on the Supreme Court with Rehnquist, President Ronald Reagan -- who had appointed more than half of the sitting federal judges by the time he left office -- considered nominating Lino A. Graglia, a controversial University of Texas law professor, as a federal appeals court judge for the 5th Circuit. But the nomination, which had been backed by Attorney General Edwin Meese III, was jettisoned after Graglia acknowledged that he had referred to African-Americans as "pickaninnies." The American Bar Association found the law professor "not qualified" to serve on the federal bench. Reagan did nominate Robert H. Bork, a former Yale law professor, who was on the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C. Bork had opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act, calling it "an unwanted intrusion on the right of individuals to choose with whom to associate." After bitter debate, the Senate rejected his nomination in 1987 by a vote of 58 to 42. Far from fading into the background, Bork, Meese, and to a lesser extent, Graglia, are key players in the Federalist Society, a powerful Right-wing network intent on restricting the power of courts, often at the expense of African-Americans and other people of color, the poor, women and the disadvantaged. The organization actively seeks to limit "judicial activism" and reverse Supreme Court landmark rulings since the New Deal, especially those issued in the 1960s and '70s. Special targets include the 1966 Miranda decision that provides certain rights for suspected criminals, the 1973 Roe vs. Wade ruling legalizing abortion and recent civil rights legislation. Founded in 1982 by three law students, the Federalist Society has grown into one of the most influential institutions in America. Four of the nine members of the U.S. Supreme Court -- Clarence Thomas, William H. Rehnquist, Antonin Scalia and Anthony M. Kennedy -- are close affiliates of the Federalist Society. So are Donald P. Hodel, former president of the Christina Coalition, and special prosecutor Kenneth Starr. The Federalist Society's board of trustees is co-chaired by Bork and U.S. Sen. Orrin Hatch -- one of the most conservative members on Capitol Hill. Other trustees include former Attorney General Meese, William Bradford Reynolds, who was assistant attorney general for civil rights in the Reagan Administration, sought to have court-ordered affirmative action programs overturned, and C. Boyden Gray, former President Bush's chief White House attorney, who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1991. In a world being reshaped by the Federalist Society, conservative law students have formed chapters on campuses across the nation. After graduation, they clerk for conservative judges and then go on to become high-ranking government officials, partners in major law firms, prosecutors, law school professors and judges at the local, state and federal level. In short, the Federalist Society is on the verge of hijacking the judicial system. "This is more than an attack on affirmative action being spear-headed by the Federalist Society lawyers," observes Francis A. Boyle, a law professor at the University of Illinois. "They want to go beyond getting rid of affirmative action. They want to go back to Brown vs. Board of Education. "We have Justice Antonin Scalia (who advised the Federalist Society at its inception and later hired two of its three founders as his law clerks), who two years ago gave a public lecture at Columbia Law School where he stated if Brown vs. Board of Education was to be presented to him today, he would rule against the plaintiff. In other words, this was a threat that if Brown vs. Board of Education was voted on before the Supreme Court, he would overturn it." That type of thinking disturbs Lawrence E. Walsh. Before becoming president of the American Bar Association in 1975, Walsh chaired an ABA panel that approved President Nixon's choices of federal appeals judges, Clement Haynesworth and G. Harold Carswell, to serve on the Supreme Court. In 1969, the Senate rejected Haynesworth because of conflict-of-interest fears. The following year, Carswell was rejected by the Senate after it was disclosed that he had given a speech as a lawyer expressing his "vigorous belief in the principles of White supremacy." "My concern is there is going to be a cleavage in the courts between the Federalist Society members and nonmembers," says Walsh, a former federal judge. "Anything that perpetuates that kind of ideological cleavage is not good for the unity of the court system. Ideally, it seems to me that judges should avoid memberships [in politically and substantively motivated organizations] but, of course, they don't do that." In fact, the ABA, in one of its publications on judicial independence, concludes: "A judge's impartiality and ability to interpret and apply the laws fairly are integral to the administration of justice." But a judge's membership in an organization -- whether it's the American Civil Liberties Union on the Left or the Federalist Society on the Right -- can influence whether a judge is perceived as being unbiased, a critical element in a judicial system that prides itself on being fair. Harold D. Pope, president of the National Bar Association, says: "People who are opposing the expansion of rights and opportunities for all people in this society we feel are working against America's best interest. We would hope that all jurists, no matter what their prior political persuasion, would deal objectively with the facts of law as they come before them, as they were sworn to do so when they first sat on the bench." The expansion of the Federalist Society, which has adopted a silhouette of James Madison as its symbol, comes at a time when the legal community is worried about a loss of public confidence. An ABA special committee on judicial independence issued a report in August titled "Protecting the Bulwark of the Republic: Ensuring Public Support of the Judicial Process." The report states, "According to the ABA survey, only about half of the respondents believed that our justice system treats men and women equally. Even fewer believed that courts treat members of different ethnic groups or wealthy and poor people the same." The report continues, "As [former] ABA President [Philip S.] Anderson recently stated: "We must work on this problem for as long as it takes to make our profession equally open and our system of justice equally responsive to all members of our society, regardless of color. This is the ultimate challenge to the integrity of the rule of law in America.'" But the Federalist Society is interested in a challenge of a different kind. To its credit, the organization operates with an open and very public agenda. On its web page, for example, it lays out its conservative agenda. "The Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies is a group of conservatives and libertarians interested in the current state of the legal order. It is founded on the principles that the state exists to preserve freedom, that the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution, and that it is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to say what the law is, not what it should be. The Society seeks both to promote an awareness of these principles and to further their application through its activities." Even conservative write Michael Lind would call this 19th-century view "the Confederate theory of the Constitution." Speakers at one national Federalist Society-sponsored lawyers convention proposed far-reaching judicial reforms that included the abolition of judicial review, limiting the powers of federal courts and stripping the Supreme Court of jurisdiction over certain matters. Mary Frances Berry, chair of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, is worried about more than theory. "What is scary about the Federalist Society is that it is antiquated and atavistic," she says. "Their views on natural law, libertarianism and the limited power of government to respond when people are being discriminated against is scary -- for African-Americans, especially. The more people you have who expose those views on the court, the more dangerous it becomes for every one of our lives." In this book, Firewall: The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover Up, Walsh writes: "In calling for the narrow construction of constitutional grants of governmental power, the Federalist Society seemed to speak for right-wing Republicans. I was especially troubled that one of White House Counsel Boyden Gray's assistants had openly declared that no one who was not a member of the Federalist Society had received a judicial appointment from President Bush." Brian W. Jones, a San Francisco lawyer and member of the Federalist Society, believes that his group is being maligned. "I reject out of hand that Federalists are hostile to civil rights," says Jones, an African-American who was deputy legal affairs secretary to California Gov. Pete Wilson and former counsel to Hatch's Senate Judiciary Committee. "Most members of the Federalist Society would agree that the government has no business making racial distinctions of any kind among its citizens. I would argue that is a very credible view of civil rights. "On civil rights and civil liberty issues, Federalist Society judges tend to have a more limited view of the federal government's authority to respond to a whole range of questions. For conservatives, the first question with any inquiry into responding to social problems is: Where does the authority lie, with the federal government or state and local governments?" Another African-American, Gerald Reynolds, is vice chairman of membership for the Federalist Society. "There are some people who embrace this principle of racial neutrality," says the Kansas City, Mo., lawyer. "This debate flows from principles and not from animosity toward Blacks." The national office of the Federalist Society in Washington, D.C., refused to provide the names of judges on its membership list. However, some of the organization's records were obtained by Emerge from other sources. An examination of Federalist Society documents for 1997 and 1998, the most current information available at press time, reveals the extent that the group has penetrated the courts. When looking at the board of directors of local chapters, officers, their advisory panels and membership lists, it is clear that when one goes to court seeking justice, he or she is increasingly likely to have a judge affiliated with the Federalist Society handling the case. During the period studied, that was true whether one was entering a courtroom in New York, Michigan or Alabama. (The titles of persons listed hereafter reflect the positions they held at the time the records were compiled by the Federalist Society; some of the judges have since been elevated to a higher court.) In New York state, judges serving as officers, directors or advisers to the local chapters included Thomas P. Griesa, chief judge of the U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York, as well as District Judges Shirley Wohl Kram, Lawrence M. McKenna and John E. Sprizzo. A U.S. Appeals Court Judge for the Second Circuit, Dennis G. Jacobs, was also among that group. The Long Island advisory board included U.S. District Judge Michael Fiechter, U.S. Court of International Trade Judge Gregory W. Carman and State Supreme Court Judges Jack Dunne and Ute Lally. In Michigan, judges aligned with the Federalist Society included James L. Ryan and Richard F. Suhreinrich of the U.S. Court of Appeals; Federal District Judges Paul V. Gadola, David W. McKeague, Gerald E. Rosen and Lawrence P. Zatkoff; and U.S. Magistrate Judge Virginia M. Morgan. State Supreme Court Justices Clifford W. Taylor and Elizabeth A. Weaver were listed as advisers to the Detroit chapter. So were Maura D. Corrigan, chief judge of the Michigan Court of Appeals, along with fellow judges Stephen J. Markman, Henry W. Saad, and Robert Young Jr. (an African-American who has since been elevated to the Michigan Supreme Court). The chief judge of the Washtenaw County Circuit Court in Grand Rapids, Kurtis T. Wilder (another African-Americana who is now on the Michigan Court of Appeals), and Wayne County Circuit Judges Sean Cox, Michael J. Talbot and Brian Zahra helped complete the list. Local chapters in Alabama were advised by Perry O. Hooper Sr., chief justice of the Supreme Court of Alabama, along with Associate Justices J. Gorman Houston, Harold See and A. Hugh Maddox. U.S. Sen. Jefferson B. Sessions III also supported the organization. (Sessions was nominated to become a federal judge in 1986 but was blocked when it was disclosed that he had called the NAACP and the American Civil Liberties Union "un-American" and "communist-inspired," and said they "force civil rights down the throats of people." Referring to the Ku Klux Klan, he reportedly said, "I used to think they're OK," until he learned that some Klansmen were "pot smokers." Sessions contended the remarks were either made in jest or had been misinterpreted.) Additional supporters listed included Randall T. Shepard, chief justice of the Indiana Supreme Court; Craig Enoch, chief justice of the Texas Supreme Court; South Carolina Attorney General Charles Molony Condon; Alabama Attorney General William Pryor (who has links on his web page to the Federalist Society and the conservative Washington Legal Foundation), Pennsylvania Attorney General D. Michael Fisher; Indianapolis Mayor Stephen Goldsmith and Clarence Thomas' wife, Virginia, a former aide to House majority leader Richard Armey, and who now works for the Heritage Foundation. As the presiding officials in courts, judges wield broad power. For example, U.S. District Judge Neal B. Biggers Jr., who sits on the advisory board of the Mississippi chapter of the Federalist Society, presided over the Ayers desegregation case. In 1975, Jake Ayers Sr., a Mississippi sharecropper, sued the state on behalf of his son, charging that the state's higher education system discriminated against African-Americans and historically Black colleges. In 1987, Biggers upheld the state College Board's contention that Mississippi's higher education system was no longer racially discriminatory. The Supreme Court reversed Biggers in 1991 and ordered him to remove any vestiges of past discrimination. The power of the Federalist Society is not limited to the judiciary, which would be concern enough. Its tentacles extend deep into corporate America. Listed members of its business advisory council included John Stewart Bryan, III, chairman, president and C.E.O. of Media General Cable; John G. Medlin Jr., board chair of Wachovia Corp., an interstate bank holding company; Geneva Steel C.E.O. Joseph Cannon and Robert L. Strickland, chairman of Lowe's Companies. Also affiliated with the Federalist Society are Brian J. Brille and David Panton of Morgan Stanley financial services in New York; William Haraf of Bank of America in San Francisco; Chris Ekren of Sony Corp. in San Jose, Calif.; Frank Blake of General Electric in Schenechtedy, N.Y.; Philip R. Lochner Jr., senior vice president, Time Warner Inc. in New York; William Kemp of General Motors in Warren, Mich.; Edward Whelan of GTE Corp.'s Washington office; David Askin of Exxon Co. in Baytown, Texas; Marsha Rabiteau of Dow Chemical in Midland, Mich.; F. James Tennies, chief administrative officer at Legg Mason for asset management in Baltimore; Jodi Balsam, counsel for operations and litigation for the National Football League and Tom Donahue of Metropolitan Life. Even federal employees in the Clinton administration were included in Federalist Society documents: Paul-Noel Chretien of the Justice Department; Theodore Cooperstein of the FBI; Carol Crawford of the International Trade Commission; Kevin Martin of the Federal Communications Commission and Christopher Holleman of the U.S. Small Business Administration. William Saunders of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights also backs the Society. Many of the nation's blue-chip law firms have attorneys associated with the Federalist Society. Those listed included lawyers in the Washington, D.C. law firms of Arnold and Porter; Covington & Burling; Steptoe & Johnson; Hogan & Hartson; Patton, Boaggs & Blow; and Wilmer, Cutler & Pickering. New York law firms with lawyers associated with the Federalist Society include: Cravath, Swaine & Moore; White & Case and Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison. In Boston, one law firm -- Hale and Door -- has at least 10 attorneys affiliated with the Federalist Society. The list of law professors associated with the society included Ronald A. Cass, dean of Boston University's law school; Michael Young of Columbia University; John Yoo of the University of California at Berkeley; Eugene Volokh of UCLA; Northwestern University professors Gary Lawson, Daniel D. Polsby and Stephen B. Presser; Robert P. George of Princeton; Gerard Bradley of Notre Dame; Gordon B. Baldwin of the University of Wisconsin, Olan B. Lowry of Temple; Johathan Macey and Richard Painter of Cornell; Ronald D. Rotunda of the University of Illinois; Gerald T. Dunn of St. Louis University and Thomas Morgan of George Washington University. The University of Virginia, one of the best law schools in the nation, has quite a few Federalist Society professors or sympathizers on its faculty, including John Norton Moore, Robert Turner, Erika Worth Harris and Lillian BeVier. "People have to understand, whether they like lawyers or not, law schools have an enormous amount of power, whether it's power for good or evil. Unfortunately, what we are seeing under the Federalist Society is law schools and legal education being used to promote racism, bigotry and Right-wing politics. These people believe in the Bell Curve," says Prof. Boyle of the University of Illinois, referring to a controversial theory by Charles Murray and Richard J. Herrnstein about the supposed low intelligence level of some non-Whites. "You have to understand that. Just as the Federalist Society did to the federal judiciary, they are now trying to do to law schools." Boyle and others say this is done by establishing well-endowed law professorships and speaking tours for the true believers. "Where they once were scholars with Right-wing foundations like the Heritage Foundation, American Enterprise Institute and the Cato Institute, they are now getting credentialed as law professors," he notes. No comparable movement exists among progressives, which may explain why civil rights groups and liberals are doing such a feeble job defending affirmative action. "We've got to realize that while we have been dillydallying in law schools with critical race theories and penetrating the Law Review, all this is chump change to [Federalists]," observes Berry, of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. "It's like we were out playing whiffle ball while they were exercising power." The Federalist Society was founded 17 years ago by Yale Law School student Steven G. Calabresi and two counterparts at the University of Chicago School of Law, Lee Liberman and David McIntosh. All three were undergraduates together at Yale. Upset with what they perceived as liberal bias, the three decided to form an organization for conservative law students. Yale professors Robert H. Bork and Ralph K. Winter, both of whom would be appointed to the federal bench by Ronald Reagan, served as advisers to the Yale chapter. In Chicago, future U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia served in a similar capacity. The contacts the three made as students have proven to be invaluable. Calabresi, in addition to clerking for Bork and Winter, clerked for Scalia at the Supreme Court. He is now a law professor at Northwestern University. Liberman gave up a post in the Justice Department also to clerk for Scalia. She is now Lee Liberman Otis and is chief counsel for Sen. Spencer Abraham (R-Mich.), who founded a Federalist Society chapter at Harvard. McIntosh was a special assistant to Ed Meese when he was Reagan's attorney general; he is a three-term Republican Congressman who's considering running for governor of Indiana. In addition to a board of trustees, the society has a board of directors, co-chaired by Calabresi and McIntosh. The Federalist pipeline is a well-oiled old boy -- and sometimes girl -- network. For example, Brent O. Hatch, the son of Sen. Orrin Hatch, clerked for Robert Bork when he was a federal judge in Washington, D.C. After working in the Justice Department, young Hatch was appointed general counsel of the National Endowment for the Humanities at the age of 28. He is treasurer of the Federalist Society's board of directors. The organization has been funded by wealthy conservatives, such as Richard Mellon Scaife, who is vice chair of the Heritage Foundation's board, and another board member, Holland Coors, a member of the conservative Coors family. Many contributions are made through foundations that give to Right-wing causes, including the John M. Olin Foundation in New York, the Sarah Scaife Foundation in Pittsburgh, the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation of Milwaukee and the Deer Creek Foundation in St. Louis. The Federalists have direct ties to Right-wing think tanks seeking to dismantle affirmative action at the local, state and federal levels. The Center for Individual Rights, which successfully argued the Hopwood case that banned affirmative action at the University of Texas, represents plaintiffs in a lawsuit pending against the University of Michigan and were lawyers for supporters of Proposition 209, the anti-affirmative action measure in California. The Washington Legal Foundation sued the University of Maryland, forcing it to drop its Benjamin Banneker scholarships for African-American scholars; the Southeastern Legal Foundation is leading an all-out assault on affirmative action in Atlanta, and the Institute for Justice led the attack on Lani Guinier, then a University of Pennsylvania law professor, who was President Clinton's first choice to be assistant U.S. attorney general for civil rights. Clint Bolick, the group's vice president, dismissed Guinier as a "quota queen," and the eventual nominee, Deval L. Patrick, as a "quota king." He also led the opposition to the appointment of Bill Lann Lee, who was later named acting assistant attorney general for civil rights. When first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton said that there was a "vast Right-wing conspiracy" afoot that had been hounding her husband since he first announced for president, some Right-wingers almost laughingly dismissed her charges. Special Prosecutor Ken Starr called the comments "nonsense." And Boston Herald columnist Joe Fitzgerald said the first lady had "wandered into paranoia." But information developed by the Institute for Democracy Studies, a nonprofit research and education organization in New York, confirms that the first lady was on the mark. In the executive summary of its report, "The Assault on Affirmative Action: An Organized Challenge to Racial and Gender Justice," the organization notes, "Once a month at the Heritage Foundation, representatives of the nation's leading conservative law groups get together for a 'luncheon.' This so-called Public Interest Legal Group meeting is just one of several monthly gatherings that right-wing law groups hold." The report continues: "These meetings serve the purpose of avoiding duplication of effort, airing future plans, and providing guidance for an appropriate organizational division of labor." In an interview with Emerge, Todd G. Young, director of research and communications for the Atlanta-based Southeastern Legal Foundation, confirms that Right-wing groups collaborate. "We read each other's briefs (as they are filed) and when there are updates published by other groups," he says. "Although we are separate entities, we share some common understandings about the Constitutions and our (mission) statements are really almost identical for the organizations." Of its recent lawsuit against Atlanta's affirmative action program, Young notes: "We're refining the definition of what it means to enjoy equal protection under the law and the first step is to end any government-sanctioned discrimination, such as affirmative action programs or racial preference programs. It's philosophically inconsistent to say it was bad then [in the 1950s and 1960s] but it's OK now." Atlanta Mayor Bill Campbell says it's not OK to discard programs devised to address discrimination against African-Americans. "Conservative legal interest groups, such as the Center for Individual Rights and the Southeastern Legal Foundation, are striking at the very heart of the civil rights gains of the '50s and '60s," explains Campbell. "These groups are, in essence, a homogenized version of the Klan. They may have traded in their sheets for suits and use different language, but it's the same old racism -- just old wine in new bottles." The Federalist Society takes its name from The Federalist papers, 85 articles originally published in New York newspapers between 1787 and 1788. The authors -- Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison -- were attempting to gain popular support for the adoption of a new Constitution. "Is The Federalist the key to what the Constitution's framers and adopters intended it to mean and how they expected it to function?" asked R. B. Bernstein, a constitutional historian who wrote the foreword to The Federalist, a recent reissue of the papers. "This subset of the original-intent controversy tends to pit many historians, who remain dubious about original-intent arguments, against many legal scholars, who seek a way to limit judicial discretion by anchoring constitutional interpretation in the Constitution's origins." Bernstein argued that the public should not look at the essays, all written under one pen name, as the definitive word on how the Constitution should be interpreted. "Jay was not a delegate to the Federal Convention, which framed the Constitution...[Hamilton] left the Convention in July, not returning until two weeks before its close in September. And Madison...found himself outvoted on a host of major issues," Bernstein noted. Moreover, as The Federalist papers became the classic commentary on the Constitution, the three men publicly identified themselves as the authors. Even that was not without controversy. Before his ill-fated duel with Aaron Burr, Hamilton tried to take credit for writing papers 18-20, 49-58 and 62-63. Madison made an identical claim of authorship, which was verified through a computer analysis in 1964. The most damning fact about today's Federalists is that they advocate a limited role for the federal government, while the early founders were interested in establishing a strong central government. Some civil rights leaders, including Theodore M. Shaw, associate director-counsel of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc., view the rhetoric of the modern-day Federalists as smokescreen for an assault on civil rights. "It's ideologically out of the mainstream and a part of the radically conservative agenda and the radically conservative agenda has never served the interest of African-Americans," Shaw says. Hilary O. Shelton, Washington bureau chief of the NAACP, is less charitable: "They are not conservative. They are very consistent with the Council of Conservative Citizens," a White supremacy group that has featured Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.) as speakers. Surprisingly, some of the harshest criticism of Federalist Society members has come from Republicans. For example, former Attorney General Meese, a main player in the Federalist movement, has been criticized by some of his colleagues in the Reagan administration. According to The Washington Post, James A. Baker III and Michael K. Deaver referred to Meese as the "Big Bigot," and conservatives referred to his top assistant, T. Kenneth Cribb Jr., as the "Baby Bigot." Cribb sits on the board of directors of the Federalist Society and is a trustee of the Scaife Foundation, a major contributor to the Federalist Society and other Right-wing causes. Graglia, who has taught at the University of Texas since 1966, touched off a controversy two years ago, when he said, "Blacks and Mexican Americans are not academically competitive with Whites in selective institutions." According to Graglia, "It is the result primarily of cultural effects. Failure is not looked upon with disgrace." He maintains his membership in the Federalist Society. "They certainly are unenthusiastic about civil rights laws," he says of his organization. "Richard Epstein [a law professor at the University of Chicago] thinks we will be better off if civil rights laws were all repealed. These people do believe, as I believe, that so-called civil rights have gone too far and are not civil rights at all." Because so many of the Federalist Society members are seen as opposing civil rights, some people are not quick to accept their professed interest in color-blind justice. U.S. Appeals Court Judge Stephen Reinhardt of the 9th Circuit observes, "We had the Civil War over states' rights. There is no question we are going back to the pre-Civil War view of governments." Former federal Judge Lawrence Walsh puts it more bluntly. "The impression I have is they are trying to return to the 18th century and undo the work of the Supreme Court since the New Deal," Walsh says. "And I think it is wrong to put someone on the court who has a pre-commitment with a political dogma, whether it's the Ku Klux Klan or the Federalist Society." -- Additional reporting by Lottie L. Joiner From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 12 13:27:03 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 13:27:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA References: Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Speak of the devil: I just saw on CNN John Yoo joking at the Heritage Foundation. I think Cal Law should make Yoo their new Dean to replace that sex maniac dean they just fired and rename themselves: The Marquis De Sade College of Law. Yoo can invite out his old Yale Law Teacher Killer Koh for a Visit. Just like old times at Yale Law with Wedgie, Jack Torturer Goldsmith, Marty Murderer Lederman, John of Grenada Moore, and the Spirit of Dean Gene Half-An-Eichmann Rostow presiding over them all--Gene's Kids. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt Law School--Mein Fuhrer, I can walk! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:50 AM To: Davis, Ben ; SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - RE: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA According to the Wall Street Journal, the Heritage Foundation is running Trump's "transition"--just like Heritage did for Reagan. Alright all you Reaganite Dinosaurs out there polish up your resumes and send them to your good ole buddy Ed Meese at Heritage. Bob, I think they can find you and John of Grenada Moore some nice cushy slots in the Trump administration--how about polishing Trump's boots at Trump Tower? Larry Tribe has a lock on the EPA. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:44 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA Fucking incredible. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/40217-donald-trump-may-select-an-architect-of-bushs-torture-program-to-run-cia Sent from my iPhone -----End Original Message----- ________________________________ View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=38605&anc=p38605#p38605 View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:27 AM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; carl at newsfromneptune.com; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; cge at shout.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net Subject: FW: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Speak of the devil: I just saw on CNN John Yoo joking at the Heritage Foundation. I think Cal Law should make Yoo their new Dean to replace that sex maniac dean they just fired and rename themselves: The Marquis De Sade College of Law. Yoo can invite out his old Yale Law Teacher Killer Koh for a Visit. Just like old times at Yale Law with Wedgie, Jack Torturer Goldsmith, Marty Murderer Lederman, John of Grenada Moore, and the Spirit of Dean Gene Half-An-Eichmann Rostow presiding over them all--Gene's Kids. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt Law School--Mein Fuhrer, I can walk! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:50 AM To: Davis, Ben ; SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - RE: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA According to the Wall Street Journal, the Heritage Foundation is running Trump's "transition"--just like Heritage did for Reagan. Alright all you Reaganite Dinosaurs out there polish up your resumes and send them to your good ole buddy Ed Meese at Heritage. Bob, I think they can find you and John of Grenada Moore some nice cushy slots in the Trump administration--how about polishing Trump's boots at Trump Tower? Larry Tribe has a lock on the EPA. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:44 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA Fucking incredible. http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/40217-donald-trump-may-select-an-architect-of-bushs-torture-program-to-run-cia Sent from my iPhone -----End Original Message----- ________________________________ View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=38605&anc=p38605#p38605 View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 ________________________________ From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sat Nov 12 17:57:52 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 11:57:52 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: BREAKING NEWS: Suicide bomber kills four Americans at Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan: Pentagon References: <118628322.61939689.1478971929909.JavaMail.root@sjmas02.marketo.org> Message-ID: <1D35C541-8082-4BB9-8CB8-7A244901696F@newsfromneptune.com> Urge President Trump to withdraw all US troops from Afghanistan. Stop the killing, for which we are responsible. > Begin forwarded message: > > From: The Washington Times > Subject: BREAKING NEWS: Suicide bomber kills four Americans at Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan: Pentagon > Date: November 12, 2016 at 11:32:09 AM CST > To: cge at shout.net > Reply-To: no-reply at washtimesnews.com > > Four Americans were killed in Afghanistan early Saturday when a man wearing a suicide vest detonated himself inside Bagram Airfield north of Kabul, the Pentagon ... > > The Washington Times > BREAKING NEWS > > SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH, 2016 11:53 AM EDT > > BREAKING NEWS > Suicide bomber kills four Americans at Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan: Pentagon > > Four Americans were killed in Afghanistan early Saturday when a man wearing a suicide vest detonated himself inside Bagram Airfield north of Kabul, the Pentagon said. > Read More > > > © The Washington Times > 3600 New York Avenue NE > Washington, DC 20002 > > From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sat Nov 12 18:41:00 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:41:00 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn’t repeat itself - but it does rhyme… In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They’ve protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it’s done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama’s. > On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > It's déjà vu all over again. As the Marxster said: History repeats itself, first as a tragedy and then as a farce. The Last Days of the Roman Empire have arrived! Sic transit gloria mundi! > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law:Mein fuhrer, I can walk! > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:27 AM > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; carl at newsfromneptune.com; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; cge at shout.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net > Subject: FW: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > Speak of the devil: I just saw on CNN John Yoo joking at the Heritage Foundation. I think Cal Law should make Yoo their new Dean to replace that sex maniac dean they just fired and rename themselves: The Marquis De Sade College of Law. Yoo can invite out his old Yale Law Teacher Killer Koh for a Visit. Just like old times at Yale Law with Wedgie, Jack Torturer Goldsmith, Marty Murderer Lederman, John of Grenada Moore, and the Spirit of Dean Gene Half-An-Eichmann Rostow presiding over them all--Gene's Kids. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt Law School--Mein Fuhrer, I can walk! > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:50 AM > To: Davis, Ben ; SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - RE: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > According to the Wall Street Journal, the Heritage Foundation is running Trump's "transition"--just like Heritage did for Reagan. Alright all you Reaganite Dinosaurs out there polish up your resumes and send them to your good ole buddy Ed Meese at Heritage. Bob, I think they can find you and John of Grenada Moore some nice cushy slots in the Trump administration--how about polishing Trump's boots at Trump Tower? Larry Tribe has a lock on the EPA. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:44 AM > To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > Fucking incredible. > > http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/40217-donald-trump-may-select-an-architect-of-bushs-torture-program-to-run-cia > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -----End Original Message----- > > ________________________________ > View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=38605&anc=p38605#p38605 > View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 > Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 > Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ > > This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu > > > This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 12 19:21:53 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 19:21:53 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. > On Nov 12, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > It's déjà vu all over again. As the Marxster said: History repeats itself, first as a tragedy and then as a farce. The Last Days of the Roman Empire have arrived! Sic transit gloria mundi! > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law:Mein fuhrer, I can walk! > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:27 AM > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; carl at newsfromneptune.com; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; cge at shout.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net > Subject: FW: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > Speak of the devil: I just saw on CNN John Yoo joking at the Heritage Foundation. I think Cal Law should make Yoo their new Dean to replace that sex maniac dean they just fired and rename themselves: The Marquis De Sade College of Law. Yoo can invite out his old Yale Law Teacher Killer Koh for a Visit. Just like old times at Yale Law with Wedgie, Jack Torturer Goldsmith, Marty Murderer Lederman, John of Grenada Moore, and the Spirit of Dean Gene Half-An-Eichmann Rostow presiding over them all--Gene's Kids. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt Law School--Mein Fuhrer, I can walk! > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:50 AM > To: Davis, Ben ; SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - RE: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > According to the Wall Street Journal, the Heritage Foundation is running Trump's "transition"--just like Heritage did for Reagan. Alright all you Reaganite Dinosaurs out there polish up your resumes and send them to your good ole buddy Ed Meese at Heritage. Bob, I think they can find you and John of Grenada Moore some nice cushy slots in the Trump administration--how about polishing Trump's boots at Trump Tower? Larry Tribe has a lock on the EPA. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:44 AM > To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > Fucking incredible. > > http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/40217-donald-trump-may-select-an-architect-of-bushs-torture-program-to-run-cia > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -----End Original Message----- > > ________________________________ > View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=38605&anc=p38605#p38605 > View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 > Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 > Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ > > This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu > > > This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. > Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: > https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 > ________________________________ > From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sat Nov 12 21:19:46 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:19:46 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> I don’t understand the reference to meeting across the street. > On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net > Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. > > In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. > > Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. > > Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. > From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 12 21:21:47 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:21:47 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> References: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Sorry. You were not there. But we met in Expresso Royale across from the Law Building to plan our Killer Koh Rally. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:20 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA I don’t understand the reference to meeting across the street. > On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net > Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. > > In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. > > Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. > > Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. > From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sat Nov 12 21:24:44 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:24:44 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: References: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <5AF6039C-CB34-40EA-9141-269C574E81DB@newsfromneptune.com> So you were speaking metaphorically - not about an actual meeting to come…? > On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Sorry. You were not there. But we met in Expresso Royale across from the Law Building to plan our Killer Koh Rally. > Fab > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:20 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > I don’t understand the reference to meeting across the street. > > >> On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net >> Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >> >> As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. >> >> In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. >> >> Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. >> >> Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 12 21:27:58 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 21:27:58 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: <5AF6039C-CB34-40EA-9141-269C574E81DB@newsfromneptune.com> References: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> <5AF6039C-CB34-40EA-9141-269C574E81DB@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: If anyone wants to get together some time for a chat we can always meet at the Expresso Royale in the Krannert Art Museum across from the Law Building, except on Mondays and Tuesdays when I do all of my teaching and class preparation. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:25 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA So you were speaking metaphorically - not about an actual meeting to come…? > On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Sorry. You were not there. But we met in Expresso Royale across from the Law Building to plan our Killer Koh Rally. > Fab > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:20 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > I don’t understand the reference to meeting across the street. > > >> On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net >> Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >> >> As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. >> >> In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. >> >> Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. >> >> Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sat Nov 12 21:41:05 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:41:05 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe not: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/trump-hints-ending-us-aid-support-syrian-militant-groups/ > On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net > Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. > > In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. > > Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. > > Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sat Nov 12 21:52:09 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 15:52:09 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: References: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> <5AF6039C-CB34-40EA-9141-269C574E81DB@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <97C8BA90-CE95-4550-ABE7-A4CBAF8B9DBA@newsfromneptune.com> And you and other members of this list are welcome at the regular weekly meeting of AWARE (Anti-war Anti-racism Effort) - 5:30pm Sundays at Pizza-M, 208 W. Main St., Urbana. —CGE > On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > If anyone wants to get together some time for a chat we can always meet at the Expresso Royale in the Krannert Art Museum across from the Law Building, except on Mondays and Tuesdays when I do all of my teaching and class preparation. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:25 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > So you were speaking metaphorically - not about an actual meeting to come…? > > >> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Sorry. You were not there. But we met in Expresso Royale across from the Law Building to plan our Killer Koh Rally. >> Fab >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:20 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >> >> I don’t understand the reference to meeting across the street. >> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. >>> Fab >>> Ed Norton Professor of Law >>> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net >>> Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >>> >>> As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. >>> >>> In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. >>> >>> Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. >>> >>> Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 12 22:32:28 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:32:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: <97C8BA90-CE95-4550-ABE7-A4CBAF8B9DBA@newsfromneptune.com> References: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> <5AF6039C-CB34-40EA-9141-269C574E81DB@newsfromneptune.com> <97C8BA90-CE95-4550-ABE7-A4CBAF8B9DBA@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Ok. thanks. Will keep it in mind. And thanks for having me on your show. That was the real kick off for our anti-Killer-Koh Rally. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:52 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA And you and other members of this list are welcome at the regular weekly meeting of AWARE (Anti-war Anti-racism Effort) - 5:30pm Sundays at Pizza-M, 208 W. Main St., Urbana. —CGE > On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > If anyone wants to get together some time for a chat we can always meet at the Expresso Royale in the Krannert Art Museum across from the Law Building, except on Mondays and Tuesdays when I do all of my teaching and class preparation. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:25 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > So you were speaking metaphorically - not about an actual meeting to come…? > > >> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Sorry. You were not there. But we met in Expresso Royale across from the Law Building to plan our Killer Koh Rally. >> Fab >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:20 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >> >> I don’t understand the reference to meeting across the street. >> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. >>> Fab >>> Ed Norton Professor of Law >>> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net >>> Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >>> >>> As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. >>> >>> In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. >>> >>> Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. >>> >>> Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Nov 12 22:33:58 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:33:58 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Right. One good piece of news-if he carries through with it. You will note that in Paul Mueth's Video I hit Obama/Clinton/Koh Hard for "their regime change operation" in Syria. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:41 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA Maybe not: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/trump-hints-ending-us-aid-support-syrian-militant-groups/ On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss > wrote: Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured... -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sat Nov 12 22:48:48 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 16:48:48 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: References: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> <5AF6039C-CB34-40EA-9141-269C574E81DB@newsfromneptune.com> <97C8BA90-CE95-4550-ABE7-A4CBAF8B9DBA@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: <2D7CA443-03B5-4DE8-A849-B22D5F68E237@newsfromneptune.com> You were more than welcome. It should be noted that it’s AWARE’s show (“AWARE on the Air,” Tuesdays at 10pm on UPTV, and always available onYouTube), which I anchor. —CGE > On Nov 12, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Ok. thanks. Will keep it in mind. And thanks for having me on your show. That was the real kick off for our anti-Killer-Koh Rally. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:52 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > And you and other members of this list are welcome at the regular weekly meeting of AWARE (Anti-war Anti-racism Effort) - 5:30pm Sundays at Pizza-M, 208 W. Main St., Urbana. > > —CGE > >> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> If anyone wants to get together some time for a chat we can always meet at the Expresso Royale in the Krannert Art Museum across from the Law Building, except on Mondays and Tuesdays when I do all of my teaching and class preparation. >> Fab. >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:25 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >> >> So you were speaking metaphorically - not about an actual meeting to come…? >> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Sorry. You were not there. But we met in Expresso Royale across from the Law Building to plan our Killer Koh Rally. >>> Fab >>> >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:20 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net >>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >>> >>> I don’t understand the reference to meeting across the street. >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. >>>> Fab >>>> Ed Norton Professor of Law >>>> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" >>>> >>>> Francis A. Boyle >>>> Law Building >>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>>> (personal comments only) >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM >>>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net >>>> Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >>>> >>>> As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. >>>> >>>> In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. >>>> >>>> Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. >>>> >>>> Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From carl at newsfromneptune.com Sat Nov 12 23:21:17 2016 From: carl at newsfromneptune.com (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:21:17 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F69E49E-3A1F-4BC1-83D0-12A0C9130307@newsfromneptune.com> https://southfront.org/nusra-on-the-run-trump-induces-first-major-policy-change-on-syria/ > On Nov 12, 2016, at 4:33 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Right. One good piece of news—if he carries through with it. You will note that in Paul Mueth’s Video I hit Obama/Clinton/Koh Hard for “their regime change operation” in Syria. > Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:41 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > Maybe not: > > https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/trump-hints-ending-us-aid-support-syrian-militant-groups/ > > > On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net > Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. > > In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. > > Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. > > Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 13 00:25:14 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:25:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: <2D7CA443-03B5-4DE8-A849-B22D5F68E237@newsfromneptune.com> References: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> <5AF6039C-CB34-40EA-9141-269C574E81DB@newsfromneptune.com> <97C8BA90-CE95-4550-ABE7-A4CBAF8B9DBA@newsfromneptune.com> <2D7CA443-03B5-4DE8-A849-B22D5F68E237@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Right. It was Carl and Karen who really kicked off our protest against Killer Koh and this Nazi Law School by inviting me on the TV show. Thanks once again. I think we all did a great job standing up against the evil that this Nazi College of Law brought into our Community. It had to be done. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:49 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA You were more than welcome. It should be noted that it’s AWARE’s show (“AWARE on the Air,” Tuesdays at 10pm on UPTV, and always available onYouTube), which I anchor. —CGE > On Nov 12, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Ok. thanks. Will keep it in mind. And thanks for having me on your show. That was the real kick off for our anti-Killer-Koh Rally. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:52 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > And you and other members of this list are welcome at the regular weekly meeting of AWARE (Anti-war Anti-racism Effort) - 5:30pm Sundays at Pizza-M, 208 W. Main St., Urbana. > > —CGE > >> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> If anyone wants to get together some time for a chat we can always meet at the Expresso Royale in the Krannert Art Museum across from the Law Building, except on Mondays and Tuesdays when I do all of my teaching and class preparation. >> Fab. >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:25 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >> >> So you were speaking metaphorically - not about an actual meeting to come…? >> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Sorry. You were not there. But we met in Expresso Royale across from the Law Building to plan our Killer Koh Rally. >>> Fab >>> >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:20 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net >>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >>> >>> I don’t understand the reference to meeting across the street. >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. >>>> Fab >>>> Ed Norton Professor of Law >>>> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" >>>> >>>> Francis A. Boyle >>>> Law Building >>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>>> (personal comments only) >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM >>>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net >>>> Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >>>> >>>> As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. >>>> >>>> In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. >>>> >>>> Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. >>>> >>>> Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 13 00:43:10 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 00:43:10 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA References: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> <5AF6039C-CB34-40EA-9141-269C574E81DB@newsfromneptune.com> <97C8BA90-CE95-4550-ABE7-A4CBAF8B9DBA@newsfromneptune.com> <2D7CA443-03B5-4DE8-A849-B22D5F68E237@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: Of course we have no idea what Obama is going to do between now and inauguration day. Obama is a Psychopath and a War Criminal:"I'm really good at killing people." Just like Clinton is a Psychopath and a War Criminal: "We came! We saw! He died." Ditto for Killer Koh: He is a Psychopath and a War Criminal. The Nazi College of Law Faculty are just Psychopaths. Except for Michael Moore, fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd's Consort, who admitted he works for the CIA and Mossad on torture. That makes him a War Criminal as well as a Psychopath. And Moore fully supported bringing his Fellow Psychopath and War Criminal Killer Koh out here to speak. And this is exactly why we should discourage any college kids to come here and study with Psychopaths and War Criminals. They could readily be turned into Psychopaths and War Criminals themselves. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:25 PM To: 'C. G. Estabrook' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA Right. It was Carl and Karen who really kicked off our protest against Killer Koh and this Nazi Law School by inviting me on the TV show. Thanks once again. I think we all did a great job standing up against the evil that this Nazi College of Law brought into our Community. It had to be done. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:49 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA You were more than welcome. It should be noted that it’s AWARE’s show (“AWARE on the Air,” Tuesdays at 10pm on UPTV, and always available onYouTube), which I anchor. —CGE > On Nov 12, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Ok. thanks. Will keep it in mind. And thanks for having me on your show. That was the real kick off for our anti-Killer-Koh Rally. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:52 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > And you and other members of this list are welcome at the regular weekly meeting of AWARE (Anti-war Anti-racism Effort) - 5:30pm Sundays at Pizza-M, 208 W. Main St., Urbana. > > —CGE > >> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> If anyone wants to get together some time for a chat we can always meet at the Expresso Royale in the Krannert Art Museum across from the Law Building, except on Mondays and Tuesdays when I do all of my teaching and class preparation. >> Fab. >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:25 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >> >> So you were speaking metaphorically - not about an actual meeting to come…? >> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Sorry. You were not there. But we met in Expresso Royale across from the Law Building to plan our Killer Koh Rally. >>> Fab >>> >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:20 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net >>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >>> >>> I don’t understand the reference to meeting across the street. >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. >>>> Fab >>>> Ed Norton Professor of Law >>>> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" >>>> >>>> Francis A. Boyle >>>> Law Building >>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>>> (personal comments only) >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM >>>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net >>>> Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >>>> >>>> As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. >>>> >>>> In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. >>>> >>>> Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. >>>> >>>> Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sun Nov 13 01:24:52 2016 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 01:24:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: North Carolina GOP condemns KKK parade honoring Trump @CNNPolitics References: <9f4be2c0e7ff014592fbc337a15cc494@web508> Message-ID: Subject: North Carolina GOP condemns KKK parade honoring Trump @CNNPolitics Date: November 12, 2016 at 11:48:15 AM CST Read More North Carolina GOP condemns KKK parade honoring Trump @CNNPolitics The North Carolina Republican Party condemned the Ku Klux Klan on Friday after the racist group announced a parade in the Tar Heel State to celebrate President-elect Donald Trump's win. To unsubscribe click here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 13 02:01:03 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 02:01:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA In-Reply-To: References: <9E88BD08-D295-486C-A78C-944C10EC88BE@newsfromneptune.com> <5AF6039C-CB34-40EA-9141-269C574E81DB@newsfromneptune.com> <97C8BA90-CE95-4550-ABE7-A4CBAF8B9DBA@newsfromneptune.com> <2D7CA443-03B5-4DE8-A849-B22D5F68E237@newsfromneptune.com> Message-ID: And remember that the Psychopaths on this Nazi "Law" Faculty specifically brought in Killer Koh here to give a special lecture as a "role model" for Lawyers working for the United States government and in order to justify his war criminal behavior and that of Clinton and Obama--also "lawyers." In other words, these Nazi Law Faculty Psychopaths have already tried to brainwash our future lawyers into becoming Psychopaths and War Criminals themselves like Killer Koh and his Prize student John Yoo and Clinton and Obama. So what are they going to do next here? What do you think they do every day here? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:43 PM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA Of course we have no idea what Obama is going to do between now and inauguration day. Obama is a Psychopath and a War Criminal:"I'm really good at killing people." Just like Clinton is a Psychopath and a War Criminal: "We came! We saw! He died." Ditto for Killer Koh: He is a Psychopath and a War Criminal. The Nazi College of Law Faculty are just Psychopaths. Except for Michael Moore, fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd's Consort, who admitted he works for the CIA and Mossad on torture. That makes him a War Criminal as well as a Psychopath. And Moore fully supported bringing his Fellow Psychopath and War Criminal Killer Koh out here to speak. And this is exactly why we should discourage any college kids to come here and study with Psychopaths and War Criminals. They could readily be turned into Psychopaths and War Criminals themselves. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 6:25 PM To: 'C. G. Estabrook' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA Right. It was Carl and Karen who really kicked off our protest against Killer Koh and this Nazi Law School by inviting me on the TV show. Thanks once again. I think we all did a great job standing up against the evil that this Nazi College of Law brought into our Community. It had to be done. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:49 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA You were more than welcome. It should be noted that it’s AWARE’s show (“AWARE on the Air,” Tuesdays at 10pm on UPTV, and always available onYouTube), which I anchor. —CGE > On Nov 12, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Ok. thanks. Will keep it in mind. And thanks for having me on your show. That was the real kick off for our anti-Killer-Koh Rally. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law:"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:52 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA > > And you and other members of this list are welcome at the regular weekly meeting of AWARE (Anti-war Anti-racism Effort) - 5:30pm Sundays at Pizza-M, 208 W. Main St., Urbana. > > —CGE > >> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> If anyone wants to get together some time for a chat we can always meet at the Expresso Royale in the Krannert Art Museum across from the Law Building, except on Mondays and Tuesdays when I do all of my teaching and class preparation. >> Fab. >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:25 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; davetrippel at ameritech.net; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >> >> So you were speaking metaphorically - not about an actual meeting to come…? >> >> >>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 3:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Sorry. You were not there. But we met in Expresso Royale across from the Law Building to plan our Killer Koh Rally. >>> Fab >>> >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:20 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; davetrippel at ameritech.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net >>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >>> >>> I don’t understand the reference to meeting across the street. >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Carl: Having read the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal yesterday and today:It looks like Trump has already been captured. We have another struggle ahead of us. And I would kindly ask everyone on this list not to dignify the Law Building with your presence. We can always meet across the street for coffee like we did the morning of our Rally against Killer Koh and the so-called College of "Law." Thanks again for being there. >>>> Fab >>>> Ed Norton Professor of Law >>>> Carl Schmitt College of Law--"Mein fuhrer, I can walk!" >>>> >>>> Francis A. Boyle >>>> Law Building >>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>>> (personal comments only) >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com] >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:41 PM >>>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net >>>> Subject: Re: Donald Trump May Select an Architect of Bush's Torture Program to Run CIA >>>> >>>> As Mark Twain is supposed to have said, history doesn't repeat itself - but it does rhyme. >>>> >>>> In the decline of the American Empire, underway since its peak in 1945, our rulers have consciously substituted military repression for world-wide economic development, especially in regard to Eurasia. They've protected the profits of the 1% and - particularly since the 1970s - encouraged the increasing (and accelerating) concentration of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer people. >>>> >>>> Our choice is to stand with that - and hope it's done nicely, without unnecessary killing - or oppose it, with the majority of the population of our country and the world. >>>> >>>> Today, we need to begin by working to see that the Trump administration is not captured by the neoliberals and neoconservatives who have dominated all recent administrations, including particularly Obama's. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Nov 13 12:46:48 2016 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 12:46:48 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [New post] Conspiratorial nonsense exposed In-Reply-To: <61854989.1533.0@wordpress.com> References: <61854989.1533.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: On Nov 13, 2016, at 00:00, Uglytruth-Thailand > wrote: New post on Uglytruth-Thailand [http://s0.wp.com/i/emails/blavatar.png] [http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/b94c98491e599510a5ec039e64af3261?s=50&d=identicon&r=G] Conspiratorial nonsense exposed by uglytruththailand Giles Ji Ungpakorn Now that King Pumipon has died and it has been officially announced that the loathsome Wachiralongkorn is to be the next king, it is time to ask questions about all the conspiratorial nonsense surrounding the Thai royal family which has kept fairy-tale fans and lazy journalists occupied for years. Firstly, if Pumipon had political power, why is there no political vacuum in Thailand? A recent rubbish article in the British newspaper, The Guardian, claimed that Pumipon could force soldiers and politicians to crawl on the ground in front of him “in order to keep them in check”. Others have claimed that Pumipon ordered various military coups, including Paryut’s coup in 2014. If so, who is giving orders to the generals now? How could they possibly have a clue about what to do without their king’s instructions? [confused-prayut] The truth of the matter is that Pumipon had no power what so ever and it was always the military and other senior members of the Thai ruling class who advised (told) him what to do and say. What is more, Pumipon was incapacitated for years previous to his death and the military junta has ruled the country just like previous Thai military juntas. When we had elected governments, they also ruled the country along with other members of the ruling elites. Pumipon was just a symbol of their status quo. Following his death that symbol of status quo has to be honoured in the long, expensive and tedious funeral ceremony. Coercion and socialisation are being used to continue the life of this reactionary symbol with those not wearing black being subjected to abuse and threats of violence and extra long royal anthems introduced into cinemas. Secondly, supporters of the “Succession Crisis” conspiracy theory have suggested in the past that there was going to be a war or at least a serious fight between the Crown Prince and the Princess and their respective supporters. Where is the evidence for this civil war now? [bro-sis] Failing to show any evidence for the above, they quickly and conveniently “moved on” to hint that the delay in the Crown Prince’s coronation was an indication that he might not be king. They wet themselves with excitement when it was also announced that General Prem, top Privy Councillor, would be the Regent. Swiftly the junta announced that Wachiralongkorn was going to be the next king and Generalissimo Prayut and Genarl Prem went to see Wachiralongkorn, supposedly to “take orders”. In reality they were probably telling the half-witted thug about their plan for him and the country. Never the less, they emerged from the meeting to announce that “his majesty” was concerned about the happiness of the Thai people and that he had “instructed” them to protect the well-being of the population. That would be a first! Normally Wachiralongkorn is only concerned about his own happiness! Those who fear that Wachiralongkorn would not make a good king (if there is such a thing) have nothing to fear. As Thomas Paine once wrote in the Rights of Man: being a mechanic requires some skill, but being a king only requires the animal body of a man. The delay in Wachiralongkorn’s coronation is just an act designed to show the population that he is sad about his father’s death and is not impatient to sit on the throne. In fact he and his father never really liked each other. He was closer to his dreadful mother. The delay in the coronation could be useful to the junta in dragging out this whole tedious mourning event and keeping up the royalist hype and repression. What is more we should not be at all surprised to learn soon that elections will have to be postponed until after the funeral and the coronation…. Taking us into 2018 or even 2019 and beyond. uglytruththailand | November 13, 2016 at 8:00 am | Tags: crisis of succession, Giles Ji Ungpakorn, Military junta, Monarchy, Wachiralongkorn | Categories: Thai politics | URL: http://wp.me/p4bxj7-oJ Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from Uglytruth-Thailand. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. Trouble clicking? 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From a former liberal to *a lot of* the current ones...it's time for a heart-to-heart. I am not a Trump supporter by choice or default. I'm also not a Republ... _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sun Nov 13 19:37:38 2016 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 13:37:38 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] In a nutshell, she nails it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003301d23de5$645346b0$2cf9d410$@comcast.net> I wasn’t going to watch this, since it doesn’t apply to me, but I am glad I did. I know a LOT of people on Facebook that need to see this, and so I posted it. Hopefully they will take it to heart. David J. 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Our fired and disgraced White Racist Judeo-Christian Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and Her White Racist Judeo-Christian Consort Michael CIA/KBG/Mossad Moore have brainwashed our law students in favor of torture and have stunk up this entire campus and our Good Community with their advocacy of torture against Muslims/Arab/Asians of Color ever since their arrival here about 15 years ago.Our fired and disgraced White Racist Judeo-Christian Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd also gutted our Affirmative Action Programs for Latinos from 10% to 5% and for African Americans from 10% to 5%. Do you see the pattern here at the Carl Schmitt College of Law? Fab. Teacher, "Latinos and the Law" Course Founding Advisor, Latino Law Students Association Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:33 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; carl at newsfromneptune.com; futureup2us at gmail.com; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; cge at shout.net; a23h23 at yahoo.com; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; davetrippel at ameritech.net; mickalideh at gmail.com; lina at worldcantwait.net; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net Subject: FW: NYT: Gitmo Nightmares Classified Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:29 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Gitmo Nightmares Classified Mise En Scene at Gitmo: Muslim of Color Prisoner: Doctor Mengele, I presume? White Judeo-Christian Shrink: How did you see through my disguise? Muslim of Color Prisoner: Easy enough to do when you are living in America's Auschwitz. Do you Americans really think we 1.5 Billion Muslims are idiots and blind? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Nov 13 21:43:04 2016 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 21:43:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: RIP: Ben Linder Instead of me Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 3:39 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: RIP: Ben Linder Instead of me Down to Nicaragua in 1985 With my friends and comrades in arms Ramsey Clark and Len Weinglass-RIP To stop Reagan's contra terrorist mercenary bands Tormenting, torturing, murdering, raping, pillaging, devastating Nicaragua's long-suffering people Under a contra death threat for all Americans Subjected to CIA biowarfare by Hemorrhagic Dengue Fever For which there is no cure The three of us marched on our way anyway Instead of us lawyers, Reagan and his contras murdered Ben Linder A Noble Engineer Bringing fresh water to the poor campesinos Ripping Ben from his Family's arms Ben was a Martyr for Peace! Reagan and his contras got Ben Linder instead of me I have had a full life But not he Struck down in his young manhood By a Gang of American Criminals and their thugs So I write this poem in Honor of Ben May Ben's Name live forever I know his Soul already does. RIP: Ben Linder Instead of me. Fab. Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sun Nov 13 23:53:11 2016 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:53:11 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] LA Times article 11/10, with updates Message-ID: <0B2976E8-E80E-48F2-85FC-D09CFF969647@illinois.edu> NATION For the fourth time in American history, the president-elect lost the popular vote. Credit the electoral college

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