[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Urge Champaign County Dems to back Keith Ellison for DNC

Mon Nov 21 01:50:58 UTC 2016

Again, who the hell do you think you are ?

You’re not the moderator of this list.

If you don’t like what you see then the solution is very simple. Click your delete button and move on with your life !

Kind Regards

David Johnson

From: Gregg Gordon [mailto:ggregg79 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:45 PM
To: David Johnson
Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Urge Champaign County Dems to back Keith Ellison for DNC

I'm not dictating what is on the peace-discuss list.  I'm not on the peace-discuss list, which is why I want you to have this discussion there, where I won't be bothered.  I want the peace list to be reserved for its intended purpose of informing people about events of possible interest.  But you people won't respect that.

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From: David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
To: 'Gregg Gordon' <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 7:30 PM
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Urge Champaign County Dems to back Keith Ellison for DNC

Who do you think you are to dictate terms as to what is appropriate for the Peace Discuss list ?

David Johnson

From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Gregg Gordon via Peace-discuss
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 5:34 PM
To: Karen Aram; David Green
Cc: Robert Naiman; Peace-discuss List; C. G. Estabrook
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Urge Champaign County Dems to back Keith Ellison for DNC

Quit abusing the peace list.  Put this on peace-discuss only.

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From: Karen Aram via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>
To: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>; peace <peace at lists.chambana.net>; Peace-discuss List <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Urge Champaign County Dems to back Keith Ellison for DNC

I couldn’t disagree with Robert Naiman  more on this topic.  

Glen Ford is more than just a nice man, he is very prescient, and right on target here as well as most things. 

Ellison, maybe nice, and he fits the bill as a token for what the DNC needs or wants to spiff up their image. He’s Black, a Muslim, and articulate, okay he’s not a woman, but they tried that one recently….... However, he supports war, and will offer the continuity that the Democratic Party wants in respect to US foreign policy, and hegemony, just in case the Republicans under Trump don’t comply. Maybe McCain is an extreme example, in so far as rhetoric is concerned, but hey the Democrats have always used words of peace, and McCain is just the “bad” cop to Ellison’s (good) cop. It’s all about appearances. 

On Nov 20, 2016, at 14:32, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

The question, and I mean this in all sincerity, is whether serious and decent people should care who becomes the head of the DNC; or whether, given the financial basis for the DP, it doesn't really matter in the larger bourgeois scheme of things.

On Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:14 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

I like Glen Ford as an individual human being. He's had me on his radio show. He's a very nice, affable guy. 

But as an authority on the topic at hand - and this piece is from three years ago - Glen Ford is not credible. 

Anyone who thinks that there's not a dime's worth of difference between Ellison and McCain on war and peace is not a serious person. It's a free country. People can say whatever they want. You can be a Truther, a Birther, an anti-vaxxer. But, given that people have other things to do with their lives, people who are serious shouldn't waste time with such things. And, of course, people who support the Green Party are not meaningful authority on the affairs of progressive Democrats. 

Here are the three serious candidates. 

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/15/race-for-next-dnc-chair-is-between-americas-first-muslim-congressman-and-two-corporate-lobbyists/

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org <http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/> 
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org

(202) 448-2898 x1

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 2:58 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:

“Ellison is part of the pro-war Left, whose primary mission is make self-described liberals and leftists comfortable supporting imperial wars.” 

http://www.blackagendareport. com/content/rep-keith-ellison- personification-phony-pro-war- %E2%80%9Cprogressive%E2%80%9D <http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/rep-keith-ellison-personification-phony-pro-war-%E2%80%9Cprogressive%E2%80%9D> 

—CGE

On Nov 20, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

There is a central committee meeting on November 30. We'll be asking them to pass a resolution in support of Keith Ellison's candidacy to lead the DNC.

Here's our petition at MoveOn:

@ChampaignCoDems: Back @KeithEllison for #DNCChair

http://petitions.moveon.org/ sign/champaigncodems-back?r_ by=1135580 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__petitions.moveon.org_sign_champaigncodems-2Dback-3Fr-5Fby-3D1135580&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=ldAG6OBO8q4pxnelPFN8Fic5NhIlw3sy-8VE3aACTWY&s=weoxkRkaz0gRR-g7_Ka1nZIn_Ne3N3R6AqR8LNqENAo&e=> 

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Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
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naiman at justforeignpolicy.org

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