[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Urge Champaign County Dems to back Keith Ellison for DNC

Mon Nov 21 03:18:57 UTC 2016

The first 2 paragraphs of David Swanson’s article as Carl has given us below, should answer your question.

As to "Death Cult”. The Green Party isn’t responsible for “death”, they haven’t bombed anyone, urged a no-fly zone, thats the current leadership of the Democrat Party under Obama and Hillary, the Bush Administration before it.

A no-fly zone in Syria is tantamount to war with Russia, and Robert you are very well aware of that, you’ve sent out petitions which many of us have signed urging our government not to invade, not to implement no-fly zones, or supply weapons to proxy's.
Most of the petitions have failed to be successful, so why would the Democratic Party wish to have someone in charge who openly supports such horrors.

Whatever Party one is affiliated with, we all suffer the consequences of perpetual or nuclear war, one way or the other.

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"Congressman Keith Ellison, candidate of progressive Democrats and many regressive Democrats for chair of the Democratic National Committee eagerly urged the illegal and disastrous violent overthrow of the government of Libya in 2011, which he celebrated<http://click.actionnetwork.org/mpss/c/1gA/ni0YAA/t.22c/25uwxlJgQwePX17UNx2xaQ/h0/j-2FYNWDG95ycO5SHkZuIa9o0y-2BHSnqXMn18r1DpmjZXYQHonngDQCnNS8R27SjRQ-2FUgcdO63IXkgjw3KYbFfcGFh1Qx-2FWAzWhwVcNzV1G10Z7hcf49YysO2o-2Bv5IT-2FWoIyDO5amFZch7QRmXQsnCzcE5lil03B8d1IoN0-2Bn-2F9jp4Dv3R9YbJ8tD1RYpBJofOuAcvygbJALu8zN1G6tk9h65MWo-2BznprquYpEKJ-2FVCHYw39WNOClZsnoM87dRJHoY795Nmz3qzE4HKh-2BZ-2B4TkszvbPiNuGbjiBrgP-2FQ5x9lbKOU9SPHwDUzVbRN0bUALdLRCuGM3HH87S26e2AnmMBWKIZNLM0zm7t5ay3gCmQ96apnBR5cUdT-2B7UXtYZvhW9n8eX0-2FxTlcVqesI3HlzsazxkIUWIJjDeyIyPX5eDmWws-3D> as a success despite what it meant for the rule of law, despite all the death and suffering, despite the predictable instability and weapons proliferation to follow."

"Ellison moved on to pushing, and using his perch as co-chair of the Progressive Caucus to push, for a similar war on Syria. For years now he has advocated<http://click.actionnetwork.org/mpss/c/1gA/ni0YAA/t.22c/25uwxlJgQwePX17UNx2xaQ/h1/j-2FYNWDG95ycO5SHkZuIa9o0y-2BHSnqXMn18r1DpmjZXZBdvTOHRIJbIsklVUZzhv3g5vop-2B55kucKPDrRgNtG72YHBbIVQ5-2FjPleNKSPKN1-2Bec-2FQ-2FhxbTdSSjsAsQZRaz1jFwlh3qGdvUvPNim-2FzkG9vsZhnRlIuFA4sDERDLV1-2BzhybwsSdCdtUrqQY2alFzX3k6Hk9mU3x176hdiVqajxP-2ByvrDE8gbDWtt3-2Bwb0JiCKaJ9eaFNL3seuK0VW8cyZiLEaraXhtYbiHP9Ti-2B5Bz7ZKb5ms1IJFK1A9ZKoqNb5Uo1TL0MoL-2FpGHltOsGrcitUuLdqe-2BPGyc0MDLiBQiCM4ve4na5gz87aTeo6kAhTGU0DNIDwTjNRAz90JuXHblSQ-2F5BNMYOF7-2BPqKq3NROM9S4xyS-2Fxqo5TrvyhDEU3Bio6H7PKzyQzOtcK578LJ-2B> for the illegal and murderous creation of no fly zones and “safe zones” — what Hillary Clinton admitted<http://click.actionnetwork.org/mpss/c/1gA/ni0YAA/t.22c/25uwxlJgQwePX17UNx2xaQ/h2/oOrf4U-2FQJ-2Bbavx96gfibBuEPjGR4c2iQ7yjtndo3LIxmvE-2FV3KF8mb4Dh8UW1x54PKbNgUZMx1VbfLJbzTvjVwnMizTwDQazVDqlQXl1PaMBkb0uE3egqBJnFvC7wCFOg8D3g-2BqiLCLQOPLgmdfsLE-2FXESqhAcaeO2zMvVhB4HTrPlQokUCeHqT7DZrR9FwUe7W-2Bhzcssw80IdUizpKf9-2FuBooTzQCjAXkWcIS4h0hikJrZMZHWPOfsTlCFDGEvhp20hrlmKhY-2FIuqJRNBODuyJV3vnGFfBokhTDEBaqT2OTRI0lwLkVLu-2BE-2FZ3Ap-2FYIIv-2BI8G3CgyadPta2th0Paym-2FZRAhY1-2BcvRLX-2FHmiByU-3D> only to Goldman Sachs would require that you “kill a lot of Syrians.” Ellison was an early backer of bombing<http://click.actionnetwork.org/mpss/c/1gA/ni0YAA/t.22c/25uwxlJgQwePX17UNx2xaQ/h3/oskT7FrgtM87gALdXBS6KJJL8hbEpJ8uSJXiSRUb1-2BXZdzpNuB1Z5azbIBzPrK4NZK5m5CtFel8YiZuDZyhaBul353rVojRsJFY-2BALFqGh2NcPTAN1DRPqwKclVnszi94S5i5v1FqrrXznDtg9urKYG016OQ3eHn8hCJCNn15Be91sbwLs34SpSyZ6QLEOwOcM2bJYwkpmkEDlV-2F1oiU854cSnThxLeCGwc-2FZxs7NGsXjpU66s5XP29lhEjQMNy8XsKiprF-2BiYCeqgjV-2FUDwPlQfogWWECictc9jD9mQ2-2BSt5R9Cy6xXKYHv95LX-2B36kYQATy-2FiGmVl0w5SGWUPXLY83R6693ZZVXJBf4SdrvDgbECOCLp-2BQxFJtvJoUKw9GbPbRiiCsHaYpbrpdmu9RmR1O-2BLem0U1ywrjkh3XQrs5w7T24pqIzbdvdBB3pYAhFp-2FBtvrHoJwNiDGDBTkMGsw-3D-3D> Syria in 2013. He met with peace activists but rejected<http://click.actionnetwork.org/mpss/c/1gA/ni0YAA/t.22c/25uwxlJgQwePX17UNx2xaQ/h4/3c8LfJd0NwPbSOve6OtXoTxyxQDFHdh46DZ-2F5qstM0MW3PRo4Vmp1Z0CgrNJxi2QKH-2FZ-2FirWARq7bCMNEcQmpv58lbgddWoI5TFVWTpfXQZCUcu2OhMA6eSKr59gAGn1xgRrr5Exi105nE3fzBRkgH5ZZ9JRP81RDwgMugwPd4P9SI5EI4EgyZv62FbA5XrbYJLlGYm-2BR1ZWYPE5Fn2C-2BHTbZn-2F9LIgLdsY2U80QmwGF22Gz-2BYOkqovO8aqOjVfw-2F-2FW755jaHwBy1RRCErUBLwwxQAj8AkcYDRtz95S7-2Fj3wCYy9ey-2F8nqlfoMTEmJF80iWWlsZYPc3dRHZ4GZF-2Fwvu1tHpDbfzIVWdSWl2y9Yd-2BMd4jR4Y7GzY1-2B7DbLjzM-2Baq0MgSfIV-2BjCxgVCxXOEJgrmMdo9nACjZj4-2FmrM6mQut5Ok3PknZu70WZHlXnE4LE-2BfOIJef-2Bcz7wgIqKxWnA-3D-3D> their appeal."

On Nov 20, 2016, at 18:28, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Why are the views of the Green Party Death Cult relevant to the projects of the Sanders-Warren wing of the Democratic Party inside the Democratic Party?

Go have a seance with Jill Stein and leave us alone.

Robert Naiman
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:16 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
The idea that the three "serious candidates" to lead [sic] the DNC are “two corporate lobbyists” and a person "whose primary mission is make self-described liberals and leftists comfortable supporting imperial wars” is an indication of the terminal lack of political seriousness in the Democratic party - so painfully on display in the recent election. Écrasez l’infâme.

Ellison’s delicts have been clear all along, as David Swanson points out: <http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/17/the-skeletons-in-keith-ellisons-display-case/>.

—CGE

On Nov 20, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org<mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:

I like Glen Ford as an individual human being. He's had me on his radio show. He's a very nice, affable guy.

But as an authority on the topic at hand - and this piece is from three years ago - Glen Ford is not credible.

Anyone who thinks that there's not a dime's worth of difference between Ellison and McCain on war and peace is not a serious person. It's a free country. People can say whatever they want. You can be a Truther, a Birther, an anti-vaxxer. But, given that people have other things to do with their lives, people who are serious shouldn't waste time with such things. And, of course, people who support the Green Party are not meaningful authority on the affairs of progressive Democrats.

Here are the three serious candidates.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/15/race-for-next-dnc-chair-is-between-americas-first-muslim-congressman-and-two-corporate-lobbyists/

Robert Naiman
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On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 2:58 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com<mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>> wrote:
“Ellison is part of the pro-war Left, whose primary mission is make self-described liberals and leftists comfortable supporting imperial wars.”

http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/rep-keith-ellison-personification-phony-pro-war-%E2%80%9Cprogressive%E2%80%9D

—CGE

On Nov 20, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

There is a central committee meeting on November 30. We'll be asking them to pass a resolution in support of Keith Ellison's candidacy to lead the DNC.

Here's our petition at MoveOn:

@ChampaignCoDems: Back @KeithEllison for #DNCChair
http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/champaigncodems-back?r_by=1135580<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__petitions.moveon.org_sign_champaigncodems-2Dback-3Fr-5Fby-3D1135580&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=ldAG6OBO8q4pxnelPFN8Fic5NhIlw3sy-8VE3aACTWY&s=weoxkRkaz0gRR-g7_Ka1nZIn_Ne3N3R6AqR8LNqENAo&e=>

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