[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Urge Champaign County Dems to back Keith Ellison for DNC

Mon Nov 21 03:41:34 UTC 2016

Carl and his amen gang of Green Party thugs haven't yet made a *prima facie*
case for why they should be talking about this at all, when it has nothing
to do with them.

If Carl sued me in court for not keeping up the grounds of my house and
thereby reducing the property values in my neighborhood, every judge would
throw out the case. Carl does not live in my neighborhood. He has no
standing to sue. What goes on in my neighborhood has nothing to do with
him. My neighbors haven't elected him or retained his services to represent
their interests.

Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:31 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Have you been into the cooking sherry tonight, Bob?
>
> Ease up: “pro-Nazi” is not so inventive as “Green Party Death Cult.”
>
> You’re losing focus.
>
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> What does this have to do with you, Carl? Why would anyone care about your
> pro-Nazi opinion?
>
>
> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=AaxRMYGO2phVigP8Il2n7Xc0VPxBHLo4mwnBskas6s4&e=>
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:08 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> “Green Party Death Cult”?!  Are you projecting Clinton’s (and Ellison’s)
>> no-fly zones?
>>
>> But don’t worry; I think more and more people will indeed leave the
>> Democratic Party alone...
>>
>> Those who want to know what “the Sanders-Warren wing” of the Democratic
>> Party is actually like, should consult
>>
>> "Bernie and the Sandernistas: Field Notes from a Failed Revolution"
>> (2016) by Jeffrey St. Clair.
>>
>> (I’ll supply a copy to members of this list who ask).  —CGE
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 8:28 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Why are the views of the Green Party Death Cult relevant to the projects
>> of the Sanders-Warren wing of the Democratic Party inside the Democratic
>> Party?
>>
>> Go have a seance with Jill Stein and leave us alone.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=y_Dh0YXrmQRX0K91AOWL5f1Fmob1MP2vo9LqpAsqpdQ&e=>
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 8:16 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The idea that the three "serious candidates" to lead [sic] the DNC are
>>> “two corporate lobbyists” and a person "whose primary mission is make
>>> self-described liberals and leftists comfortable supporting imperial wars”
>>> is an indication of the terminal lack of political seriousness in the
>>> Democratic party - so painfully on display in the recent election. Écrasez
>>> l’infâme.
>>>
>>> Ellison’s delicts have been clear all along, as David Swanson points
>>> out: <http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/17/the-skeletons-in-kei
>>> th-ellisons-display-case/
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.counterpunch.org_2016_11_17_the-2Dskeletons-2Din-2Dkeith-2Dellisons-2Ddisplay-2Dcase_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=ACpJVo_3gQKNLFGYPFW8Og19TjY-f9V0HH2XDiQxkCE&e=>
>>> >.
>>>
>>> —CGE
>>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I like Glen Ford as an individual human being. He's had me on his radio
>>> show. He's a very nice, affable guy.
>>>
>>> But as an authority on the topic at hand - and this piece is from three
>>> years ago - Glen Ford is not credible.
>>>
>>> Anyone who thinks that there's not a dime's worth of difference between
>>> Ellison and McCain on war and peace is not a serious person. It's a free
>>> country. People can say whatever they want. You can be a Truther, a
>>> Birther, an anti-vaxxer. But, given that people have other things to do
>>> with their lives, people who are serious shouldn't waste time with such
>>> things. And, of course, people who support the Green Party are not
>>> meaningful authority on the affairs of progressive Democrats.
>>>
>>> Here are the three serious candidates.
>>>
>>> https://theintercept.com/2016/11/15/race-for-next-dnc-chair-
>>> is-between-americas-first-muslim-congressman-and-two-corpora
>>> te-lobbyists/
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__theintercept.com_2016_11_15_race-2Dfor-2Dnext-2Ddnc-2Dchair-2Dis-2Dbetween-2Damericas-2Dfirst-2Dmuslim-2Dcongressman-2Dand-2Dtwo-2Dcorporate-2Dlobbyists_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=QaMQFOBtMzKOuPEhVI-FaYAXAgrbQlGlTwFeUeWAoYw&e=>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Naiman
>>> Policy Director
>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=y_Dh0YXrmQRX0K91AOWL5f1Fmob1MP2vo9LqpAsqpdQ&e=>
>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 2:58 PM, C. G. Estabrook <
>>> carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> “Ellison is part of the pro-war Left, whose primary mission is make
>>>> self-described liberals and leftists comfortable supporting imperial wars.”
>>>>
>>>> http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/rep-keith-ellison-p
>>>> ersonification-phony-pro-war-%E2%80%9Cprogressive%E2%80%9D
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.blackagendareport.com_content_rep-2Dkeith-2Dellison-2Dpersonification-2Dphony-2Dpro-2Dwar-2D-25E2-2580-259Cprogressive-25E2-2580-259D&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=EdAmnVQov_4aUtfXfgnL3k1-BJpo-S2-kYbCvStvf5s&s=EIUKlAYzLzRoi2Sz9_5-CRVg04I-6N3DUwl1PoLhihc&e=>
>>>>
>>>> —CGE
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace <
>>>> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is a central committee meeting on November 30. We'll be asking
>>>> them to pass a resolution in support of Keith Ellison's candidacy to lead
>>>> the DNC.
>>>>
>>>> Here's our petition at MoveOn:
>>>>
>>>> @ChampaignCoDems: Back @KeithEllison for #DNCChair
>>>> http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/champaigncodems-back?r_by=1135580
>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__petitions.moveon.org_sign_champaigncodems-2Dback-3Fr-5Fby-3D1135580&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=ldAG6OBO8q4pxnelPFN8Fic5NhIlw3sy-8VE3aACTWY&s=weoxkRkaz0gRR-g7_Ka1nZIn_Ne3N3R6AqR8LNqENAo&e=>
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
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>>>> Policy Director
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