[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Urge Champaign County Dems to back Keith Ellison for DNC

[Robert Naiman]

Now you're just lying, Carl, which can hardly be a surprise to anyone who
knows you.

You advocated for Trump on this list. People can search the archives.

I see you and your acolytes as a menace.

I think that you and your acolytes, including the Green Party, should be
isolated and marginalized.

/eot


Robert Naiman
Policy Director
Just Foreign Policy
www.justforeignpolicy.org
naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
(202) 448-2898 x1

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:52 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> Is the cooking sherry bottle empty, Bob? Something at least seems to be
> keeping you from reading - at least, what I write - very closely.
>
> I supported (and voted for) Stein, not Trump, for president. I wanted her
> - not Trump - to win. But I wouldn’t be dissuaded from voting for the Green
> party by the claim that voting for a third party helped Trump, because his
> positions on war and the economy were better than Clinton’s - if not so
> good as Stein's (not to mention global warming).
>
> Do you admit that some of the ‘protests across the country’ were promoted
> by MoveOn and financed by George Soros? That seems to be the case -
> especially since outrage at proposed deportations looks odd, when Obama has
> already deported more people that Trump proposes to do - without many
> demonstrations...
>
> As to 'reproductive choice,’ I do think we should have a comprehensive
> program of free health care and education: all of my friends who’ve had
> abortions or seriously considered it - even quite privileged people - have
> done so for economic or career reasons. As the saying has it, "My political
> views? I’m basically against anything that kills people [even in the womb]
> or destroys the planet we live on.”
>
> I am interested in the Catholic aspect of this and other questions: I
> spent a number of years as a professor of the history of religion
> (including the Abrahamic religions) at various institutions of the higher
> learning… But if the American Catholic bishops (or the bishop of Rome) were
> suddenly to decide that ending the lives of unborn children was an
> acceptable practice, I wouldn’t agree.
>
> I doubt you’re very interested in my views on the matter (except perhaps
> for polemical purposes) but if I’m wrong, you can find two brief pieces I
> wrote long ago that tried to consider abortion in political contexts:
> “Abortion and the Left” <http://www.counterpunch.org/
> 2003/01/17/abortion-and-the-left/> and “Support Our Euphemism” <
> http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/04/15/support-our-euphemism/>.
>
> Regards, Carl
>
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:03 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>
> wrote:
>
> Carl, you openly advocated for Trump. You stated repeatedly on this
> listserv that you wanted Trump to win. The election result that occurred -
> Trump's victory - was exactly the result that you publicly advocated for,
> repeatedly.
>
> The protests across the country following Trump's victory - including
> people concerned about threatened mass deportations of immigrants, attacks
> on Muslims, attacks on Latinos, climate change denial based attacks on the
> Paris agreement, Trump's threats to expand fossil fuel energy projects,
> attacks on reproductive choice - which you, everyone here is well aware,
> being a fanatic right-wing Catholic, strongly and viciously oppose - all
> these protests were against an outcome for which you publicly, repeatedly
> advocated.
>
> The Green Party is a pro-Trump political party. Like you, Jill Stein and
> the Green Party openly advocated for Trump's victory.
>
> You are a fanatic, Carl, and your followers are fanatics. Cultists.
>
> You have nothing useful to contribute to any conversation that is outside
> the purview of your Green Party cult.
>
> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:42 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>> Why "Green Party Death Cult” when Greens - not the Democrats or
>> Republicans - are the ones demanding attention to climate catastrophe and
>> its threat to life on the planet?
>>
>> Meanwhile a Democratic president has attacked eight countries and killed
>> thousands with drone attacks - after a Republican president killed a
>> million people in the greatest international crime of the century (so far).
>> Democrat and Republican presidents together have killed more than 20
>> million people in 37 countries since WWII.
>>
>> Which party has a death cult?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>> David Swanson is not an authority on this. He is also a dues-paying
>> member of the Green Party Death Cult. He said the same stuff about Bernie
>> during the primary. Welcome to the Green Party Death Cult. That's how they
>> roll.
>>
>>
>> Robert Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.justforeignpolicy.org&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=HTvqhbuliA3Ausq4XW6TCGCNxlV4F8feImi2elWrVEg&s=WYOUegB_Us_mP5IFMwG_KdOPbHF8KlV1mJuuwK-Bi8U&e=>
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:23 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Congressman Keith Ellison, candidate of progressive Democrats and many
>>> regressive Democrats for chair of the Democratic National Committee eagerly
>>> urged the illegal and disastrous violent overthrow of the government of
>>> Libya in 2011, which he celebrated as a success despite what it meant for
>>> the rule of law, despite all the death and suffering, despite the
>>> predictable instability and weapons proliferation to follow.
>>>
>>> Ellison moved on to pushing, and using his perch as co-chair of the
>>> Progressive Caucus to push, for a similar war on Syria. For years now he
>>> has advocated for the illegal and murderous creation of no fly zones and
>>> “safe zones” — what Hillary Clinton admitted only to Goldman Sachs would
>>> require that you “kill a lot of Syrians.” Ellison was an early backer of
>>> bombing Syria in 2013. He met with peace activists but rejected their
>>> appeal.
>>>
>>> Back in 2007, before Ellison’s leadership, the Congressional Progressive
>>> Caucus had helped organize 90 Congress members to commit to voting against
>>> war funding. Most of them turned around and voted for war funding. That
>>> ridiculous disappointment was a high point for the CPC.
>>>
>>> Since then, the CPC’s commitments — such as to vote against corporate
>>> healthcare — have hardly been taken seriously, and so it’s hardly been news
>>> when most members have gone back on their commitments.
>>>
>>> But in recent years, the CPC has shifted away from even pretending to
>>> take a stand on things, and instead moved toward issuing statements full of
>>> non-committal rhetoric. Some began referring to it as the Congressional
>>> Progressive Statement Caucus.
>>>
>>> Yet even that standard must be looked back to with nostalgia when it
>>> comes to Co-Chair Ellison’s rhetoric on war. He promotes misinformation
>>> about protecting innocent people in Libya and Syria and uses those claims
>>> to justify war making. This is exactly what the war makers were looking for
>>> in funding Hillary Clinton for President. Should the Democratic National
>>> Committee now give it to them in the form of Ellison as Chair? [David
>>> Swanson]
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Nov 20, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > If you really want to know what's going on, just type "Keith Ellison"
>>> in Google News and start reading.
>>> >
>>> > Here's one of the things you'll find:
>>> >
>>> > JTA: Keith Elllison’s Jewish defenders rally after attacks from the
>>> pro-Israel right
>>> > http://www.jta.org/2016/11/18/news-opinion/politics/keith-el
>>> llisons-jewish-defenders-rally-after-attacks-from-the-pro-israel-right
>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.jta.org_2016_11_18_news-2Dopinion_politics_keith-2Delllisons-2Djewish-2Ddefenders-2Drally-2Dafter-2Dattacks-2Dfrom-2Dthe-2Dpro-2Disrael-2Dright&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=HTvqhbuliA3Ausq4XW6TCGCNxlV4F8feImi2elWrVEg&s=hht36_W3LYH-7zMh6SWwisRm-D0rfFJSj0CraWkyh1w&e=>
>>> > WASHINGTON (JTA) — Jewish allies of Keith Ellison defended him against
>>> mounting attacks from the pro-Israel right wing as the first Muslim
>>> congressman is positioned to lead the Democratic Party.
>>> >
>>> > “For anyone to attack or vilify him as anti-Israel or anti-Semitic is
>>> outrageous,” said Rabbi Marc Schneier, a co-founder of the Foundation for
>>> Ethnic Understanding, a group that promotes joint activities among ethnic
>>> groups.
>>> >
>>> > Schneier called JTA Friday, unsolicited, as attacks on Ellison,
>>> D-Minn., have mounted. Among Jewish groups, also defending Ellison have
>>> been J Street, the liberal Middle East policy group, Americans for Peace
>>> Now, a dovish pro-Israel group, and Bend the Arc, a social action group.
>>> >
>>> > The Zionist Organization of America, in a release this week, noted
>>> Ellison’s role in drafting a congressional letter following the 2009 Gaza
>>> War urging the Obama administration to press Israel to loosen its blockade
>>> on Gaza. (The letter also noted that security needs led to the blockade).
>>> The ZOA also noted that Ellison was among a handful of congressmen who
>>> voted against additional funding for Israel’s Iron Dome anti-missile system
>>> during the 2014 Gaza War. (Ellison had previously backed Iron Dome, but
>>> said it made more sense during the 2014 war to press for a cease-fire.)
>>> >
>>> > “If he becomes DNC leader, Ellison will likely be empowered to
>>> persuade even more Democratic Congresspersons to join him in actions
>>> hostile to Israel’s security and Israeli civilians’ lives – wreaking
>>> enormous damage to the prospects for future bipartisan support for
>>> America’s closest ally in the Middle East,” the ZOA said.
>>> >
>>> > Ellison seems likely to be the next Democratic National Committee
>>> chairman, having garnered the backing of figures from the party’s
>>> establishment as well as the insurgent left that backed Sen. Bernie
>>> Sanders, I-Vt., in his unsuccessful bid this year for the party’s
>>> presidential nomination. Among Ellison’s endorsers are Sanders and Sen.
>>> Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., the incoming party chief in the next Senate, who is
>>> very much of the party establishment.
>>> >
>>> > The ZOA release and a barrage of critical coverage in the conservative
>>> media led to the release of comments in Ellison’s defense.
>>> >
>>> > Some conservative outlets, as well as the ZOA, noted Ellison’s
>>> youthful involvement in the anti-Semitic Nation of Islam movement, which he
>>> renounced in a 2006 letter to the Jewish Community Relations Council in
>>> Minnesota, a group that he has become friendly with. That year he was
>>> elected a freshman to Congress, and became the first Muslim elected to the
>>> body.
>>> >
>>> > Seth Mandel, the New York Post Op-Ed editor, said in a column that
>>> “Ellison has left [Nation of Islam leader Louis] Farrakhan far behind, but
>>> his Israel criticism remains scathing,” and suggested his front-runner
>>> status signaled a drifting away of Democrats from Israel.
>>> >
>>> > Ellison was also one of three Sanders appointees to the DNC Platform
>>> Drafting Committee this summer who tried to get language critical of
>>> Israel’s occupation into the platform. They did not succeed.
>>> >
>>> > Ellison’s defenders say his vigorous defense of the two-state solution
>>> make him a valuable partner. Schneier remembered that his first meeting
>>> with Ellis was in 2007 at a Foundation event welcoming congressional
>>> freshmen, where Ellison in a speech – unprompted – lambasted the Iranian
>>> regime for its Holocaust denial.
>>> >
>>> > A group called “Jews for Keith” on Thursday launched a petition to the
>>> DNC defending Ellison. J Street in its Nov. 16 statement called the attacks
>>> on Ellison, who was backed by J Street’s affiliated political action
>>> committee in the last election “hateful.”
>>> >
>>> > “His support for a two-state solution, opposition to settlement
>>> construction and advocacy for U.S. leadership to help resolve the
>>> Israeli-Palestinian conflict are supported by the majority of American
>>> Jews,” it said.
>>> >
>>> > Robert Naiman
>>> > Policy Director
>>> > Just Foreign Policy
>>> > www.justforeignpolicy.org
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>>> > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>> > (202) 448-2898 x1
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:57 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> > But seriously, if Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Keith Ellison
>>> have a roadmap for turning the Democratic Party into a
>>> populist/labor/socialist party, based on small contributions from millions
>>> (like the Sanders campaign), then let's hear it. And if they're serious
>>> about being anti-imperialist, then let's hear that too. If they want to use
>>> the word "revolution" to describe their ambitions, let them put some real
>>> meat on it and present it to the waiting world. What's with all the insider
>>> jockeying in the DNC? Tell us what you stand for!
>>> >
>>>
>>> _________
>>>
>>
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