[Peace-discuss] S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley accepts offer to be Trump's UN ambassador: source

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From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org]
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Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - RIP: Stanley Hoffmann

I write to express my deep sorrow  at the death of my teacher, mentor, and friend  Stanley Hoffmann. An Obituary appears in the New York Times:
                “And those who have chosen the portion of injustice, and tyranny and violence shall pass  into wolves or into hawks and kites--whither else shall we suppose them to go?”---Socrates

RIP
Francis A. Boyle

I alone am responsible for the contents of this book{Foundations of World Order (Duke U.:1999)}. Nevertheless, I wish to acknowledge the profound contribution to my personal intellectual development that has been made by my teachers at the University of Chicago and Harvard. No point would be served here by endeavoring to list them all. Many of their names and publications can be found mentioned in the Acknowledgements sections, texts, and footnotes of my previous books. But with respect to this project in particular, I would like to single out three individuals: my international law teacher, the late Richard R. Baxter, under whose supervision this research was commenced; my international organizations teacher, Louis B. Sohn; and my friend, the late Leo Gross, whose pioneering efforts in the study of international organizations have inspired all scholars working in this field. I would also like to thank my high school history teacher, John Mohan, who first sparked my interest in this imperial era of American foreign policy over three decades ago.
This book is dedicated to my dissertation superviser at Harvard, Stanley Hoffmann. The debt that I owe to him cannot be expressed in words. What follows are comments I prepared in conjunction with my contribution to a festchrift in his honor that was produced by a group of his former students, International Law and the Use of Force: Beyond Regime Theory. I have reprinted this essay as an Appendix to this book so that the reader will understand what I mean when referring to the post-World War II "regime" of international law and organizations concerning the threat and use of force. I would like to express my gratitude to Westview Press for their permission to reprint this chapter here:
Approximately 19 pages from Ideas and Ideals: Essays on Politics in Honor of Stanley Hoffmann (edited) by Linda B. Miller and Michael Joseph Smith. Copyright © 1993 by Westview Press. Reprinted by permission of Westview Press.
Hans Morgenthau on Stanley Hoffmann
In a recent contemplative article, Stanley Hoffmann wrote the following about the state of international political theory in the late 1950s:
I was appalled by the varying forms of crudeness I found in general theories of state behavior or of the international system, and by the methodological fallacies of attempts at blurring the differences between natural and social science. My main targets were Hans Morgenthau and Morton Kaplan. (I later regretted, not the content but the tone of my attack on the former, whom I met frequently in the 1960s. I came to admire his intellectual courage as well as his broad erudition--if not his theorizing.) I concluded that general theory, to be helpful, could be no more than a framework of questions, which could be answered by middle-range theories based on empirical research. See Stanley Hoffmann, A Retrospective, in Journeys Through World Politics: Autobiographical Reflection of Thirty-four Academic Travelers 263, 270 (James N. Rosenau & Willian C. Potter eds., 1989).
Over the years, Stanley Hoffmann has uttered many trenchant and well-justified criticisms of political realism and Hans Morgenthau. But I do not believe that Morgenthau ever held them against Hoffmann. Rather, Morgenthau greatly respected Hoffmann for the power of his intellect. Both men have had no use for sycophants.
In September of 1968, I entered the University of Chicago as an undergraduate. There I would commence my study of international relations with the late Hans Morgenthau, who had just published A New Foreign Policy for the United States. That same year, Stanley published his classic treatise Gulliver's Troubles, Or The Setting of U.S. Foreign Policy. Of course, Hoffmann's book was somewhat longer than Morgenthau's. But the latter had already published the fourth edition of his classic treatise, Politics Among Nations, in 1966. It was on these books that I would cut my teeth as a neophyte student of international relations.
Like Stanley Hoffmann, Morgenthau had begun his academic career in the field of international law. Thereafter, both scholars would move off into examining more general questions concerning the nature of international relations and the conditions for world order. Nevertheless, throughout their long and distinguished careers, the writings and activities of both Morgenthau and Hoffmann have always contained a solid core of ethical integrity that is directly attributable in part to their training and origins as international lawyers; in significant part to their broader humanitarian viewpoint based upon an "Old-World" humanistic education in the classical sense of that term; and in substantial part to their Jewish cultural and religious heritage that they share in common with so many of my teachers, colleagues and friends at Harvard, Chicago, Illinois, and elsewhere.
Although I had entered the University of Chicago with the intention of later going on to law school in order to become a civil rights lawyer, it was Morgenthau who encouraged me to continue my studies of international relations at the graduate level. Since he would soon be retiring from Chicago in order to move his base of operations permanently to the New School for Social Research (which did not have a law school), I began to consider moving to either one of three East Coast universities that would enable me to pursue graduate studies in both law and political science, while at the same time staying in close contact with him: Harvard, Yale, or Columbia. Unable to decide among them, I asked Morgenthau for his advice. After taking a good deal of time reviewing the pluses and minuses of the programs in both law and political science at these three institutions, Morgenthau concluded: "You should go to Harvard and continue your studies in international relations with Stanley Hoffmann. He is the brightest person in the field today."
The very next day, I sent in my acceptance to the Harvard Law School, and enrolled there in September of 1971. Immediately upon my arrival at Harvard, I applied for and was soon accepted to the Ph.D. Program in Political Science at Harvard's Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government. This was the same doctoral program that had produced Kissinger, Brzezinski, Huntington and numerous other realpolitikers. Shortly thereafter, I met with Stanley Hoffmann, informed him of Morgenthau's advice to me, and asked him to serve as my dissertation adviser. Little did Stanley know at the time he said yes that this odyssey would take at least another decade.
As I was to discover during those succeeding years, Morgenthau was definitely right: Stanley Hoffmann was and still is the brightest person in the field of international relations today. And yet, even more importantly, he is also the most principled, ethical, and humanitarian scholar who inhabits the basically Hobbesian world of self-styled international relations (IR) experts in the United States of America today. Where the life of IR specialists is oftentimes solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short, Stanley conscientiously nourished us all to maturity with his wisdom, wit, kindness, patience, and example. The rest has been up to us. But certainly the best part of our careers was entrusted to his gracious stewardship.
F.A.B.
10 July 1998

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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley accepts offer to be Trump's UN ambassador: source

On the other side of the religion/politics question, someone posted on another list today a comment from the leading student of my own theological mentor, the late philosopher Herbert McCabe OP  of Oxford:

'As far as religion goes, it is worth pointing out that there have been Jewish Marxists, Islamic Marxists, and Christian Marxists who champion so-called liberation theology. All of them are materialists in Marx’s sense of the word. In fact, Eleanor Marx, Marx’s daughter, reports that Marx once told her mother that if she wanted “satisfaction of her metaphysical needs” she should find them in the Jewish prophets rather than in the Secular Society she sometimes attended. Marxist materialism is not a set of statements about the cosos, such as “Everything is made out of atoms” or “There is no God.” It is a theory of how historical animals function.’ --Terry Eagleton, "Why Marx Was Right” (2011)

I was privileged to listen to both Stanley Hoffman (who died only last year) and Noam Chomsky (still with us, rising 88) long ago if not so far away. Here’s an exchange between them with relevance for today: https://chomsky.info/19690327/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__chomsky.info_19690327_&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=12n4W7S-qLXO_c-8GnKLr3c5Kye1r7Ue9QdaOi2lJxI&s=E_r74nN-CIKcxit_R7KoVwIzIec479cPBUUKCu6ymKk&e=>

Regards, CGE

On Nov 23, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:

Right Carl. That was Mrs Shklar's point: In America we live in a Protestant Political Culture--whether we like it or not. See her "Redeeming American Political Thought", edited by her friend, my PHD Supervisor, Stanley Hoffmann. RIPs. Fab.

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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley accepts offer to be Trump's UN ambassador: source

In the US, separation of church and state - which refers to institutions and personnel -  has never meant separation of religion and politics.

In some ways, it’s made the latter more difficult, as Tocqueville saw, 180 years ago. —CGE

On Nov 23, 2016, at 7:48 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

You   don't need Bloom to analyze Christianity.   You can read Luther and Calvin for yourself to find "inner solitude." As my Teacher, Mentor and Friend, the late, great Judith Shklar who was my PHD Examiner in Political Philosophy at Harvard said: We live in a Protestant Political Culture in America.In any event, I firmly believe a la Jefferson in Public Education and in Separation of Church and State a la  the First Amendment and especially in Separation of Church and State in our Public Schools. Fab

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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley accepts offer to be Trump's UN ambassador: source

One needn’t be 'anti-Mormon’ to find it an interesting phenomenon, with social and political implications (as Conan Doyle did).

The late Jacob Neusner (whom I was happy to call a teacher and friend), the leading American scholar of Judaism (that’ll upset some people), was as he said, “tight with the Mormons.”

And the leading American critic Harold Bloom (that’ll upset other - or maybe some of the same - people) published an interesting book called “American Religion” a decade ago; in it he takes Mormonism as central to his topic:

“...he covers the topic of religion in the United States from a perspective which he calls religious criticism. Religious denominations Bloom discusses include The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Christian Science, the Seventh-day Adventist Church, Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Southern Baptist Convention. Bloom lays out his conception of a practice of religious criticism, by which he does not mean criticism of religion. He distinguishes the practice from other aspects of religious studies (e.g., history of religion or philosophy of religion) by analogy with his practice of literary criticism. Bloom says, literary criticism involves aspects of history et cetera, but is distinguished by having a focus on aesthetic judgments concerning literature. Bloom's religious criticism thus will involve history et cetera, but also pay attention particularly to the spiritual values of religions [SIC].

“...Bloom identifies Ralph Waldo Emerson and William James as previous scholars who practiced religious criticism of American religion. He concludes that in America there is a single, dominant religion of which many nominally distinct denominations are a part. Among these he identifies Mormonism, the Southern Baptist Convention, Pentecostalism, and Seventh-day Adventism. To a lesser extent however, he also includes nearly all 'Christian' denominations in America, including mainline Protestantism and Roman Catholicism. Bloom's view is that all of these groups in America are united by requiring that each person may only truly meet with the divine when experiencing a 'total inward solitude' and that salvation cannot be achieved by engaging with a community, but only through a one-to-one confrontation with the divine ... Bloom says that the American religion is rather more like a form of Gnosticism [THE ORIGINAL - AND PERSISTENT - CHRISTIAN HERESY, IN ITS SPIRITUALISM AND ELITISM, IS 'ANTI-INCARNATIONAL.' —CGE] ... James P. Hanigan [OBSERVES CORRECTLY] that Bloom's argument is motivated by his own ‘Gnostic’ spirituality…” [Wikipedia].

—CGE

On Nov 23, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Carl: I am not anti-Mormon. Just pro-First Amendment--I believe in Separation of Church and State. Fab.

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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley accepts offer to be Trump's UN ambassador: source

For escapist lit (which we surely need), see the first Sherlock Holmes novel, “A Study in Scarlet” (1887), which takes place largely in America and is suffused with anti-Mormonism - apparently typical of British public opinion 130 years ago. The poets often get there first (even before lawyers, sometimes).  —CGE

On Nov 23, 2016, at 6:31 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

With Mitt The Twitt as The Trumpster's SOS, we will have US Foreign Policy coming out of Salt Lake Vatican City. Fab.
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      Mormonism: * Bigotry * President Romney's Bishophood a Threat to the First Amendment?

JOANNA BROOKS, jmbrooks at mail.sdsu.edu<mailto:jmbrooks at mail.sdsu.edu>, http://joannabrooks.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__joannabrooks.org&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=12n4W7S-qLXO_c-8GnKLr3c5Kye1r7Ue9QdaOi2lJxI&s=SVhZ6VaS3kusAMGuKe4xmB5mZIDrO3AncWEeHCRTkNk&e=>, http://www.religiondispatches.org/contributors/joannabrooks<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.religiondispatches.org_contributors_joannabrooks&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=12n4W7S-qLXO_c-8GnKLr3c5Kye1r7Ue9QdaOi2lJxI&s=YqgLxS7mhBcUe953nJbhrqCUMv5Kdout03p9QsSi9Tc&e=>
Brooks is author of "The Book of Mormon Girl." She writes regularly for ReligionDispatches.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ReligionDispatches.org&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=12n4W7S-qLXO_c-8GnKLr3c5Kye1r7Ue9QdaOi2lJxI&s=-qnXc-K3h5qU8o10SJQWGOUfjSHJMrBzOwpv2bHvlDo&e=> and her recent pieces include "The New York Times Sunday Review has a Mormon Problem" and "How (Not) to React to Anti-Mormon Sentiment in the South."

FRANCIS BOYLE, fboyle at law.uiuc.edu<mailto:fboyle at law.uiuc.edu>
Boyle is a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law and author of "Tackling America’s Toughest Questions." He said today: "Romney’s official positions in the hierarchy of the Mormon Church raise serious questions under the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Do the American people want the functional equivalent to the Mormon Pope and his College of Cardinals sitting in their Salt Lake Vatican City ordering the President of the United States what to do? Romney must come clean and fully explain his official positions in the Mormon Church hierarchy and the extent to which he takes orders from their Prophet and Apostles. So far the mainstream news media have all given Romney a pass on this threat to the First Amendment because big business supports Romney and the mainstream media is part of big business. But the mainstream media are protected by that same First Amendment that Romney threatens. The media have a First Amendment obligation to nail down Romney on these serious First Amendment issues."

"Romney is/was a Mormon Bishop and Archbishop. They take orders from the Mormon Prophet, roughly the Mormon equivalent of the Roman Catholic Pope. Constitutionally speaking under the First Amendment, Romney is not equivalent to either John Kennedy (a lay Catholic) or Joe Lieiberman (a lay orthodox Jew) or Jimmy Carter (a lay Baptist Sunday school teacher)."

"Critically, Kennedy said he would resign if there was a conflict and Romney conspicuously did not."

Boyle is a Magna Cum Laude graduate of Harvard Law School where he was section-mates with Willard Mitt Romney, now known as Mitt, as first year law students (1Ls) during the 1971-1972 academic year. They took all their first-year law courses together. He teaches courses on the Constitutional Law of U.S. Foreign Affairs, and Jurisprudence, among others.

Kennedy's address from 1960: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.npr.org_templates_story_story.php-3FstoryId-3D16920600&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=12n4W7S-qLXO_c-8GnKLr3c5Kye1r7Ue9QdaOi2lJxI&s=LzD21VTN691I68BqCDEeMiGUTkXAanp-PiDt6l3d9O4&e=>

Romney addressed the issue of religion and public office in 2007: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16969460<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.npr.org_templates_story_story.php-3FstoryId-3D16969460&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=12n4W7S-qLXO_c-8GnKLr3c5Kye1r7Ue9QdaOi2lJxI&s=5h_ZYo767inBIA23B2UI5wCQrdKtq55C0M-9EJmxM98&e=>

See "Who is the Mormon Prophet Today?" http://mormon.org/faq/present-day-prophet<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mormon.org_faq_present-2Dday-2Dprophet&d=DQMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=12n4W7S-qLXO_c-8GnKLr3c5Kye1r7Ue9QdaOi2lJxI&s=oZVjuRfGSm1HYXy_ETXZttNFAIZlmbq6FPPKFmKBd9k&e=>

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Subject: RE: S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley accepts offer to be Trump's UN ambassador: source

Thanks Carl. Sam was behind me at Harvard Law School getting brainwashed to run the American Empire--just like Obama, Killer Koh and the rest of Obama's  Harvard Law Mafia. And Mitt The Twitt Romney--The Trumpster's potential SOS-- was my HLS 1L Section-mate--we took all our first year courses together. "There but for the grace of God go I!"
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Subject: Re: S.C. Gov. Nikki Haley accepts offer to be Trump's UN ambassador: source

FAB’s got this quite right - on both points.

The Kennedy School has been a a malign joke since its inception - and Pepe Escobar rightly refers to "the Pentagon sabotage of the Russia-US ceasefire; those fits of rage by Samantha Batshit Crazy Power; [and] the non-stop spin that Russia is committing 'war crimes’.”  —CGE

On Nov 23, 2016, at 5:37 AM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:

Got to be an improvement over Sam Our Problem From Hell Power. Sam can go back to the Kennedy School—a DOD/CIA Front Organization.
fab

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