[Peace-discuss] Wedgie for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts at UI Law School

Karen Aram karenaram at hotmail.com
Sat Sep 3 21:26:05 UTC 2016


Professor Boyle,

Midge’s article “October Surprise: Harold K”Killer” Koh to Lecture at UI Law School in Election Week” is now available in the Public I. I picked up some extra copies if you like.

On Sep 3, 2016, at 12:15, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Akhil Reed Amar
Yale Law School
The Yale Law Mafia Brother of our current Yale Law Mafia Dean who invited Yale Law Mafia Killer Koh to speak on October 28 to get Yale Law Mafia Mrs Clinton elected President 10 days later.

All these Law Professors and Lawyers are just a Gang of Thugs beating up on a handful of law students with the courage, the integrity and the principles to say: NEVER AGAIN!

Ditto for the University of Illinois Law Faculty—Just a Gang of Thugs!

Fab



Francis A. Boyle
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Subject: Re: Wedgie for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts at UI Law School

Thanks FAB, also for your support during that campaign. You all can view the very long list of the liberal hawks who came out in support of Koh: https://sites.google.com/site/haroldkohletter/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sites.google.com_site_haroldkohletter_&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=8lQof6-rkb7QCQJktQ8cEft03jf_nFFTZapYRm_ANgw&s=-Dhrp2d5a-_OtlszddX48F8Ai8733Zn4u6aiJUhstsM&e=>

Some names will likely surprise you, as they did me.

Amanda



On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:
Thanks Amanda. Remember Amanda had the courage, integrity and principles to organize the NYU Law Students against Killer Koh there and he had  overwhelming support from their Law Faculty as well as National Support from Dem Law Professors—just a Gang of Thugs beating up on students. Fab.

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Subject: Re: Wedgie for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts at UI Law School

That's an excellent idea. Apparently, Clinton, as SOS, went through 13 different blackberries...

Amanda

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:
At the time my prior  calculation was that if I dressed up a guy in a Kangaroo outfit, all of the Media and the Audience would focus on the Kangaroo, thus associating everything she was saying about the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts with the Kangaroo and completely discrediting her. It worked. So maybe someone can show up at Killer Koh’s  lecture on October 28 dressed up  as a Blackberry, stand in front of the Law Auditorium before the Lecture, and then sit directly in front of him for the entire lecture without saying anything. You won’t have to a word.  Just be there. Everyone will get the Message about him and Clinton.fab.

Francis A. Boyle
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From: Boyle, Francis A
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 8:37 AM
To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org<mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org>
Subject: FW: Gitmo Kangaroo Courts

FAB to Wedgie: “Have you sought independent advice from a competent international criminal lawyer about your  own personal  criminal accountability for committing  war crimes?”
Wedgie refused to answer.
Ditto for Goldsmith.
Fab


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"I felt we needed to make a statement," said Boyle. "These kangaroo courts are un-American."

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Law professor Francis Boyle (front) and "Wedgie the Kangaroo" listen to a speech on Military Tribunals given by Ruth Wedgewood on Thursday afternoon in the Law Building's Rowe Auditorium. Troubled by the "Kangaroo" courts the President ordered last year, the members of the audience came to voice their opinion, with one protester even going to the extent of wearing a kangaroo costume as a sign of protest.



Yale law professor Ruth Wedgewood defended President George W. Bush's military tribunals to protesters who believed these courts violate human rights.

Wedgewood helped draft proposals to prosecute about 150 detained, suspected terrorists in military tribunals rather than jury trials. She explained in a Thursday afternoon lecture that tribunals provide more options for submitting evidence. It is easier to build a case, so the process is faster than the traditional trials, Wedgewood said. Detainees cannot appeal the decision.

University law professor Francis Boyle gathered students in Amnesty International and the American Civil Liberties Union to protest the lecture. A kangaroo-costumed person stood outside the Max L. Rowe Auditorium in the Law Building. They passed out flyers encouraging audience members to ask Wedgewood questions not addressed in the lecture.

"I felt we needed to make a statement," said Boyle. "These kangaroo courts are un-American."

Protesters argued the tribunals jump to the conclusion that the detainees are guilty and that President George W. Bush's proposed military courts will aid in the mistreatment of suspects held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

"They are set up as a conviction conveyor belt; no one has ever been found not guilty," said law student Tony Weiner.

But, Wedgewood argued against the assumptions that tribunals lead to predetermined guilt handed down by harsh military personnel.

"Military people are engaging, morally concerned people," Wedgewood said.

Wedgewood told the skeptical audience that the U.S. court system cannot adapt to the terrorism situation.

"September 11 did not have a chance to morph federal district courts," said Wedgewood. "Military commissions give more latitude. It's the traditional way that the law has been enforced."

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Yale law professor Ruth Wedgewood listens to questions Thursday in the Law Building during her speech about military tribunals ordered by President George W. Bush for non-U.S. citizens suspected of involvement with terrorism.



She said military tribunals fit the nation's constantly changing view of the conflict with Islamic Fundamentalists.

"We did not understand the Islamic World and didn't know the depth of anger until 9-11," said Wedgewood.

She explained jurors could be in danger if they are forced to participate in verdicts against detainees because of unpredictable violence.

Retired attorney George Brazitis praised Wedgewood's ability as a speaker but disagreed with the content.

"She has the best possible case for the Bush administration viewpoint," Brazitis said. "President Bush would need to amend the constitution to carry out all of the wars that he is proposing."

Those opposing the "kangaroo courts" say the United States is not in a war and should not try detainees in that fashion. Before Nov. 13, 2001, military tribunals were last implemented during World War II.

"(Wedgewood) doesn't address major problems as to whether we even have a war, nor the violation of the constitutional provision that war can only be declared by Congress," Brazitis said.

Some audience members did not have definite views, though.

"I have problems with both approaches, we need to do something but I do not know the right approach," law student Adam Keser said.

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