[Peace-discuss] Wedgie for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts at UI Law School
Amanda Bass
abass10 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 3 19:01:00 UTC 2016
Thanks FAB, also for your support during that campaign. You all can view
the very long list of the liberal hawks who came out in support of Koh:
https://sites.google.com/site/haroldkohletter/
Some names will likely surprise you, as they did me.
Amanda
On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
wrote:
> *Thanks Amanda. Remember Amanda had the courage, integrity and principles
> to organize the NYU Law Students against Killer Koh there and he had
> overwhelming support from their Law Faculty as well as National Support
> from Dem Law Professors—just a Gang of Thugs beating up on students. Fab.*
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> *Francis A. Boyle*
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> *Law Building*
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> *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.*
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> *Champaign IL 61820 USA*
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> *217-333-7954 <217-333-7954> (phone)*
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> *217-244-1478 <217-244-1478> (fax)*
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> *(personal comments only*)
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> *From:* Amanda Bass [mailto:abass10 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 03, 2016 1:49 PM
> *To:* Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
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> *Subject:* Re: Wedgie for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts at UI Law School
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>
>
> That's an excellent idea. Apparently, Clinton, as SOS, went through 13
> different blackberries...
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>
> Amanda
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> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 1:21 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
>
> *At the time my prior calculation was that if I dressed up a guy in a
> Kangaroo outfit, all of the Media and the Audience would focus on the
> Kangaroo, thus associating everything she was saying about the Gitmo
> Kangaroo Courts with the Kangaroo and completely discrediting her. It
> worked. So maybe someone can show up at Killer Koh’s lecture on October 28
> dressed up as a Blackberry, stand in front of the Law Auditorium before
> the Lecture, and then sit directly in front of him for the entire lecture
> without saying anything. You won’t have to a word. Just be there. Everyone
> will get the Message about him and Clinton.fab.*
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> *Francis A. Boyle*
>
> *Law Building*
>
> *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.*
>
> *Champaign IL 61820 USA*
>
> *217-333-7954 <217-333-7954> (phone)*
>
> *217-244-1478 <217-244-1478> (fax)*
>
> *(personal comments only*)
>
>
>
> *From:* Boyle, Francis A
> *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 8:37 AM
> *To:* SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org
> *Subject:* FW: Gitmo Kangaroo Courts
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>
>
> *FAB to Wedgie: “Have you sought independent advice from a competent
> international criminal lawyer about your own personal criminal
> accountability for committing war crimes?”*
>
> *Wedgie refused to answer.*
>
> *Ditto for Goldsmith.*
>
> *Fab*
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> *Francis A. Boyle*
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> *Law Building*
>
> *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.*
>
> *Champaign, IL 61820 USA*
>
> *217-333-7954 <217-333-7954> (phone)*
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> *217-244-1478 <217-244-1478> (fax)*
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> *(personal comments only)*
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> "I felt we needed to make a statement," said Boyle. "These kangaroo courts
> are un-American."
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> Speaker defends military tribunals
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> *Alina Dizik *
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> *Brian Lambert** The Daily Illini*
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> Law professor Francis Boyle (front) and "Wedgie the Kangaroo" listen to a
> speech on Military Tribunals given by Ruth Wedgewood on Thursday afternoon
> in the Law Building's Rowe Auditorium. Troubled by the "Kangaroo" courts
> the President ordered last year, the members of the audience came to voice
> their opinion, with one protester even going to the extent of wearing a
> kangaroo costume as a sign of protest.
>
> Yale law professor Ruth Wedgewood defended President George W. Bush's
> military tribunals to protesters who believed these courts violate human
> rights.
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> Wedgewood helped draft proposals to prosecute about 150 detained,
> suspected terrorists in military tribunals rather than jury trials. She
> explained in a Thursday afternoon lecture that tribunals provide more
> options for submitting evidence. It is easier to build a case, so the
> process is faster than the traditional trials, Wedgewood said. Detainees
> cannot appeal the decision.
>
> University law professor Francis Boyle gathered students in Amnesty
> International and the American Civil Liberties Union to protest the
> lecture. A kangaroo-costumed person stood outside the Max L. Rowe
> Auditorium in the Law Building. They passed out flyers encouraging audience
> members to ask Wedgewood questions not addressed in the lecture.
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> "I felt we needed to make a statement," said Boyle. "These kangaroo courts
> are un-American."
>
> Protesters argued the tribunals jump to the conclusion that the detainees
> are guilty and that President George W. Bush's proposed military courts
> will aid in the mistreatment of suspects held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
>
> "They are set up as a conviction conveyor belt; no one has ever been found
> not guilty," said law student Tony Weiner.
>
> But, Wedgewood argued against the assumptions that tribunals lead to
> predetermined guilt handed down by harsh military personnel.
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> "Military people are engaging, morally concerned people," Wedgewood said.
>
> Wedgewood told the skeptical audience that the U.S. court system cannot
> adapt to the terrorism situation.
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> "September 11 did not have a chance to morph federal district courts,"
> said Wedgewood. "Military commissions give more latitude. It's the
> traditional way that the law has been enforced."
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> [image: Photo (read caption below)]
> *Brian Lambert** The Daily Illini*
>
> Yale law professor Ruth Wedgewood listens to questions Thursday in the Law
> Building during her speech about military tribunals ordered by President
> George W. Bush for non-U.S. citizens suspected of involvement with
> terrorism.
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> She said military tribunals fit the nation's constantly changing view of
> the conflict with Islamic Fundamentalists.
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> "We did not understand the Islamic World and didn't know the depth of
> anger until 9-11," said Wedgewood.
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> She explained jurors could be in danger if they are forced to participate
> in verdicts against detainees because of unpredictable violence.
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> Retired attorney George Brazitis praised Wedgewood's ability as a speaker
> but disagreed with the content.
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> "She has the best possible case for the Bush administration viewpoint,"
> Brazitis said. "President Bush would need to amend the constitution to
> carry out all of the wars that he is proposing."
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> Those opposing the "kangaroo courts" say the United States is not in a war
> and should not try detainees in that fashion. Before Nov. 13, 2001,
> military tribunals were last implemented during World War II.
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> "(Wedgewood) doesn't address major problems as to whether we even have a
> war, nor the violation of the constitutional provision that war can only be
> declared by Congress," Brazitis said.
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> Some audience members did not have definite views, though.
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> "I have problems with both approaches, we need to do something but I do
> not know the right approach," law student Adam Keser said.
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