[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Tonight's debate

[C. G. Estabrook]

Trump condemns the Obama-Clinton war policy, and their support for jihadis - as do most Americans.

http://harpers.org/archive/2016/01/a-special-relationship/


> On Sep 27, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Gregg Gordon via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> That doesn't answer my question.  
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> The head of ISIS is a former prisoner at  Abu Ghraib, so if you want to blame any American politicians, I'd suggest Rumsfeld and Cheney.
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> Trump has made it clear that he's pro-torture, so I don't think he's our solution.
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> On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 7:32 AM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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> They reject Clinton’s identity-politics solution (help favored groups) for the immiseration of an economic class.
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> Trump’s call for opposition to ISIS, which (he rightly says) Obama-Clinton war policy in MENA (Libya, Iraq and Syria) promoted.
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> > On Sep 27, 2016, at 7:23 AM, Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > And why do they not see their life chances as being equal to their parents?  Because the blacks and Hispanics are getting too much.
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> > And explain to me how "bombing the shit out of them" is an anti-war message.
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> > On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 7:19 AM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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> > Pro-jobs and anti-war - after 15 years of growing (and accelerating) inequality and war.
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> > Trump’s voters see their life-chances as not equal to their parents’ - that’s why they respond to “Make America great again."  
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> > 
> > > On Sep 27, 2016, at 7:12 AM, Gregg Gordon via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> > > What are his policies that resonate?  The racist ones?
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> > > On Monday, September 26, 2016 11:37 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> > > Style: I think J. St. Clair of CounterPunch had it right: "If this was a fight, Trump probably would have won on points as the aggressor. But probably missed twice as many punches as he landed. Hillary was flat-footed, defending failed policies, offering little more than policy papers."
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> > > Substance: Trump attacked Clinton's neoliberalism (trade pacts from NAFTA to TPP) and her neoconservatism (wars in MENA from Iraq to Libya and Syria). His are the policies that resonate with most Americans; the Clinton camp knows that - and are afraid.
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> > > [Friends’ comments on style: “Trump won the early rounds and then it was a pathetic draw.” "My favorite moment was when she made a sales pitch for her book [which is not doing well at all].”] [Friends’ comment on substance: “Trump said that he was opposed to nuclear first strike, which Obama has refused to say.”]
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> > > —CGE 
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