[Peace-discuss] FB is blocking me from posting, so I'll post it to the Peace List for now.

Carl G. Estabrook galliher at illinois.edu
Wed Apr 12 15:11:02 UTC 2017


https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/06/nyt-retreats-on-2013-syria-sarin-claims/ <https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/06/nyt-retreats-on-2013-syria-sarin-claims/>

"Even as The New York Times leads the charge against the Syrian government for this week’s alleged chemical attack, it is quietly retreating on its earlier certainty about the 2013 Syria-sarin case, reports Robert Parry."

—CGE


> On Apr 12, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> Roger
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> You only care about supporting the US war machine. 
> Please stay on the Peace List, and don’t contact me personally.
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> Food for thought in relation to your question: 
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>  Airforce opposing Assad? Airforce supporting the rebels? How about the US, UK, France, Germany, Israel, and even Denmark as of last year. 
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> There needs to be an INVESTIGATION not a rush to judgement and war, it took us what less than three days to bring on the air strike?  It takes longer to organize such an event, you know that. 
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> CUI BONO: What does Assad gain by bombing areas which he has control over? 
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> The Turks claim it’s sarin? If sarin, we wouldn’t have pictures of people touching the bodies, sarin is lethal.
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> Assad is winning, the US even verbally claiming “no more regime change” as a result. So why would he do this at this time. 
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> Keep this on the peace discuss list. I don’t have time to argue with you, knowing that’s all you want to do, argue. You don’t want to do any research on your own, because you don’t care about the truth. 
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> You just want to defend the USG despots with their continued killing sprees. There are so many former US military leaders and CIA employees, who are speaking out against the USG government, some are “former” precisely because they refuse to be part of the corporate military industrial complex, or retired and having the opportunity to examine the “big picture”, recognizing our media sham. I have worked with “Veterans opposed to war” and they suffer daily as a result of their experiences in Vietnam, working to absolve themselves from guilt.
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> There are now many veterans hurting from their experiences in the MENA. Our focus must remain on alleviating the suffering of the victims, and preventing such atrocities, for the good of all. 
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>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 05:49, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com <mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> By whom, where? - none of the forces opposing Assad have an Air Force!  Given that, how did an aircraft that was not one of his of his Russian allies deliver the chemical attack that triggered this response?
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>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> If you’re referring to that which was publicized in 2013, that was debunked as well. 
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>>> On Apr 11, 2017, at 20:35, Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com <mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> It is pretty well established that Assad used chemical weapons - if not now, in the past!
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>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
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>>> NPR reported Sean Spicer's comment that "even Hitler didn't use chemical weapons," in respect to the alleged use of chemical weapons by Assad, an obvious tactic to further vilify Assad and give credence to more destruction
>>>  of Syria. He later recanted his statement and apologized. Everyone's upset over his incorrect statement, now calling for his resignation.
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>>> NPR hasn't recanted their statement that "Assad used chemical weapons." and no one is calling for Spicer's resignation for his lies and accusations. In fact they are further promoting it, when they don't refer to the
>>>  use of chemical weapons as "alleged". 
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>>> And, no one seems concerned over the bombing of Syria by the US, more killing and destruction, or placing us in direct conflict with Russia.
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>>> NPR is of course part of the mainstream corporate owned media, where truth on somethings, but on major issues, no way.
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