[Peace-discuss] Articles of interest

[C G Estabrook]

A pall cast over some of the important work of CounterPunch by idpol…

Eric, opposing the "pollution of left discourse,” sounds like Base Commander Jack D. Ripper: "I can no longer sit back and allow ... conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids”…

—CGE


> On Aug 16, 2017, at 11:02 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> I tried listening to Draitser's interview with Anthony DiMaggio from a few weeks ago regarding the ideology of Trump supporters. I made it about halfway through. He increasingly comes off as a self-absorbed one-note gasbag, and he uses the CP podcast not so much to reveal the views of his guests (as does Doug Henwood for example) as to endlessly pontificate his own increasingly untenable views regarding "white identity." And nothing about Charlottesville changes my critique of this approach.
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> DG
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> On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎August‎ ‎16‎, ‎2017‎ ‎10‎:‎38‎:‎31‎ ‎AM, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> 
> I’ve just sent Jeffrey a note saying that I think this is beyond the pale:
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> "As I've said repeatedly, Johnstone is a fascist collaborator ... Her actual conduct reveals that she is what I've always said she is...a fascist collaborator working with the far right to pollute left discourse.” —Eric Draitser
> 
> —CGE
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 9:04 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Thanks, I agree with you all, in respect to David Cobb, based upon what I’ve read. Though he did support resurrecting the Green Party anti-war movement recently. Probably for political reasons rather than justice.
>> 
>> Jeffrey should read some of Eric’s FB postings from early this year, that left Eric’s credibility in question.
>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 05:25, C G Estabrook <cgestabrook at gmail.com <mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>> There’s not a dispute between Jeffrey & Eric. They agree on David Cobb, & I think they're right.
>>> 
>>> They also agree in condemning Caitlin Johnstone for "high-decibel conspiratorialism,” & I think they’re wrong.
>>> 
>>> —CGE
>>>  
>>>> On Jul 14, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
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>>>> Carl
>>>> 
>>>> Where can I find info. relating to the dispute between Jeffrey and Eric. I liked Eric’s podcast interviews at one time, but after reading some of his statements on FB quit.  
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 18:53, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mort— 
>>>>> 
>>>>> There’s a real and surprising dispute involving some serious left journalists, notably Jefferey St. Clair of CounterPunch. (And his colleague Eric Draitser.) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree with you about Assange, whatever his flaws. (And Poitras.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> A recent exchange w/ St. Clair re Johnstone - Caitlin (b. 1975?), not Diana (b. 1934):
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>>>>> ==================
>>>>> On Jul 12, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> I agree entirely about Stein/Cobb, but not about Johnstone.
>>>>> For one thing, she’s quite funny - far from humorless - in a rude, (I hesitate to say) millennial way. (Cf. my daughter’s TV show, 'Casual,’ on Hulu.)
>>>>> And on the 'red-brown alliance’ talk, the sooner we abandon the floating signifiers (sorry) of ‘left' and 'right', the better. 
>>>>> Strangely, they’re being kept alive by an alliance of M-L remnants, from tankies to Trots, with media village explainers...
>>>>> As descriptors in the neoliberal era, even ‘economic nationalist’ vs. 'corporate globalist’ is better. —CGE
>>>>> ====================
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards, CGE
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why are you advertising these articles? They seem to have little “meat” and many unconvincing slurs. But yes, it is sort of a policing of the ideological boundaries.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Assange still gets my sympathy and respect. Poitras less so. 
>>>>>> I’m not sure what Johnstone wants to promote, and is it all to be condemned?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:48 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Policing the boundaries of "left" and "right":
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://louisproyect.org/2017/07/10/risk/#comment-334525 <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__louisproyect.org_2017_07_10_risk_-23comment-2D334525&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=XaWXCVupaJVbMWqiqchMA3wsGxWh_-ibdt7vOiAFDWc&s=OUSZkJ0vam3t7n6qxaLR0G1_wYQY2ZmDhagf0EPDvPY&e=>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/11/the-green-party-marks-in-a-media-con-job/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.counterpunch.org_2017_07_11_the-2Dgreen-2Dparty-2Dmarks-2Din-2Da-2Dmedia-2Dcon-2Djob_&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=XaWXCVupaJVbMWqiqchMA3wsGxWh_-ibdt7vOiAFDWc&s=OqPj5QHsHJIGBwdVK8GD17ignVJgOF3JUasP_USosjw&e=>
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