[Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 166, Issue 326

[David Johnson]

If she had  resisted extreme pressure from the head of her political party and the Israeli Consulate for her to vote " yes "  and had been ONE of only TWO out of several hundred who refused to vote " yes "  then absolutely - YES !
If her abstention had made a difference in the bill passing or not then that would have be an entirely different scenario.

David J.




-----Original Message-----
From: C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 10:34 AM
To: David Johnson
Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 166, Issue 326

Come on, David. Would she have deserved praise and not condemnation if she had refused to vote against South African apartheid a generation ago?


> On Dec 12, 2017, at 9:14 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> Carol Ammons DID NOT  “ cave “ to the Illinois BDS bill.
>  
> She valiantly resisted pressure from Democratic party head Mike Madigan and the Israeli Consulate and REFUSED  to vote for the bill !
>  
> I don’t care how much you try to cut and twist the facts she deserves PRAISE and NOT CONDEMNATION !
>  
> David J.
>  
> From: C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 4:48 AM
> To: David Johnson
> Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 166, Issue 326
>  
> Here’s the sort of thing Carol was caving into, David - as you know: <http://gothamist.com/2017/07/19/schumer_gillibrand_co-sponsor_senat.php>.
>  
> I can see little sense in voting for any state or federal incumbents in 2018. They haven’t done well; perhaps their successors will be instructed by their rejection by the voters. 
>  
> "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum – even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.” [Chomsky]
>  
> —CGE
>  
>> On Dec 2, 2017, at 7:24 AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>  
>> Really Carl ?
>> 
>> Your still beating that dead horse ?
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>> AGAIN, yes, she didn't vote against it but she was ONE of only TWO State Reps who REFUSED to vote for it !
>> 
>> If her abstention vote had made the difference of the resolution  passing or not THEN you could heap condemnation, but since that was not the case and she DID resist Israeli consulate and Dem party head Madigan's pressure to vote for it, then she deserves at least partial praise and NOT condemnation.
>> 
>> David J.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 PM
>> To: Stephen Francis
>> Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; Karen Aram
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 166, Issue 326
>> 
>> Members of AWARE and the Prairiegreens met with state representative Carol Ammons two years ago to condemn her caving in to lobbying from the Israeli consulate and not voting against direction from the government of Israel on how UI monies should be used.
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>> <http://newsfromneptune.com/2015/07/14/memo-to-prairiegreens-local-democrat-legislators/>.  —CGE
>> 
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