From kmedina67 at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 02:24:46 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:24:46 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NFN (News from Neptune) yesterday Message-ID: I am confused by your overly simplified, everyone sees the obvious problem here,  assumption.  When you wrote "Erik, really, you want white people to get loaded guns to kill other white people, in order to protect people of color?" to Mueller, were you protesting the: *White people*The loading of guns.*Fear.*The mongering of fear*The idea that people are afraid of other people. *The idea that white people should or should not stand up in defense of their non-white neighbors.*The suggestion of using violence when violence is threatened by someone against someone. *Or that Trump's speeches are not as powerful as some people claim they are. *Protecting people of color. *Using violence against white people. *That white people are not all alike.*That some white people actually commit racially motivated hate crimes. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Date: 12/31/16 11:09 (GMT-06:00) To: "C. G. Estabrook" , David Green Cc: Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace-discuss] NFN (News from Neptune) yesterday Good program, I think Carl was referring to “Mueller", close to Miller, in reference to CIA. I don’t have my notes while watching, so not sure. David: I think you make a good point, in respect to Erik Draitser. I used to listen to his programs faithfully, read his FB postings, to which I always received notification when he posted.  Until after the election, when Erik was then on FB advising everyone, especially white people to get guns, loaded, to protect our “neighbors of color” as a result of the election and Trump. This was to me, worse hysteria than that which we saw being promoted by “move on.org” immediately after the election, and it was before the Cabinet appointments which are an indication of what’s to come.  I responded to his email,  “Erik, really, you want all white people to get loaded guns to kill other white people, in order to protect people of color?” Fomenting what I see as hysteria and “civil war” based upon race, religion, or politics, thus being counterproductive. I was astounded that such a bright young man, who seemed to be so knowledgeable in relation to current political events, would suggest anything other than “all people need to unite against the Establishment/Elite based upon issues, given he often referred to “class” and “capitalism" as the problem. I thought perhaps he had been hacked, but you have just confirmed my suspicions, that many on the “left” are questionable.   I no longer receive his FB postings, maybe I’ve been blocked, given how many FB friends he has, I’m surprised anyone took note of what I said. Maybe he’s no longer doing them,  but he evidently is still on Counterpunch radio.  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Sun Jan 1 02:24:46 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 20:24:46 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NFN (News from Neptune) yesterday Message-ID: I am confused by your overly simplified, everyone sees the obvious problem here,  assumption.  When you wrote "Erik, really, you want white people to get loaded guns to kill other white people, in order to protect people of color?" to Mueller, were you protesting the: *White people*The loading of guns.*Fear.*The mongering of fear*The idea that people are afraid of other people. *The idea that white people should or should not stand up in defense of their non-white neighbors.*The suggestion of using violence when violence is threatened by someone against someone. *Or that Trump's speeches are not as powerful as some people claim they are. *Protecting people of color. *Using violence against white people. *That white people are not all alike.*That some white people actually commit racially motivated hate crimes. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Date: 12/31/16 11:09 (GMT-06:00) To: "C. G. Estabrook" , David Green Cc: Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace-discuss] NFN (News from Neptune) yesterday Good program, I think Carl was referring to “Mueller", close to Miller, in reference to CIA. I don’t have my notes while watching, so not sure. David: I think you make a good point, in respect to Erik Draitser. I used to listen to his programs faithfully, read his FB postings, to which I always received notification when he posted.  Until after the election, when Erik was then on FB advising everyone, especially white people to get guns, loaded, to protect our “neighbors of color” as a result of the election and Trump. This was to me, worse hysteria than that which we saw being promoted by “move on.org” immediately after the election, and it was before the Cabinet appointments which are an indication of what’s to come.  I responded to his email,  “Erik, really, you want all white people to get loaded guns to kill other white people, in order to protect people of color?” Fomenting what I see as hysteria and “civil war” based upon race, religion, or politics, thus being counterproductive. I was astounded that such a bright young man, who seemed to be so knowledgeable in relation to current political events, would suggest anything other than “all people need to unite against the Establishment/Elite based upon issues, given he often referred to “class” and “capitalism" as the problem. I thought perhaps he had been hacked, but you have just confirmed my suspicions, that many on the “left” are questionable.   I no longer receive his FB postings, maybe I’ve been blocked, given how many FB friends he has, I’m surprised anyone took note of what I said. Maybe he’s no longer doing them,  but he evidently is still on Counterpunch radio.  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 1 02:55:03 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 02:55:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NFN (News from Neptune) yesterday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: “Mueller" was my suggestion for a name they couldn’t come up with on NFN, it turns out it was Morell, Michael. In relation to Erik, “promoting fear and violence." Sorry, if I was being overly simplistic, I thought it was obvious. Standing up for our neighbors is one thing, walking around with loaded guns as vigilantes is another. By the way Karen, I hope you can be on AOTA to give Carl support, as I’m now taking a “break”. On Dec 31, 2016, at 18:24, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss > wrote: I am confused by your overly simplified, everyone sees the obvious problem here, assumption. When you wrote "Erik, really, you want white people to get loaded guns to kill other white people, in order to protect people of color?" to Mueller, were you protesting the: *White people *The loading of guns. *Fear. *The mongering of fear *The idea that people are afraid of other people. *The idea that white people should or should not stand up in defense of their non-white neighbors. *The suggestion of using violence when violence is threatened by someone against someone. *Or that Trump's speeches are not as powerful as some people claim they are. *Protecting people of color. *Using violence against white people. *That white people are not all alike. *That some white people actually commit racially motivated hate crimes. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > Date: 12/31/16 11:09 (GMT-06:00) To: "C. G. Estabrook" >, David Green > Cc: Peace Discuss > Subject: [Peace-discuss] NFN (News from Neptune) yesterday Good program, I think Carl was referring to “Mueller", close to Miller, in reference to CIA. I don’t have my notes while watching, so not sure. David: I think you make a good point, in respect to Erik Draitser. I used to listen to his programs faithfully, read his FB postings, to which I always received notification when he posted. Until after the election, when Erik was then on FB advising everyone, especially white people to get guns, loaded, to protect our “neighbors of color” as a result of the election and Trump. This was to me, worse hysteria than that which we saw being promoted by “move on.org” immediately after the election, and it was before the Cabinet appointments which are an indication of what’s to come. I responded to his email, “Erik, really, you want all white people to get loaded guns to kill other white people, in order to protect people of color?” Fomenting what I see as hysteria and “civil war” based upon race, religion, or politics, thus being counterproductive. I was astounded that such a bright young man, who seemed to be so knowledgeable in relation to current political events, would suggest anything other than “all people need to unite against the Establishment/Elite based upon issues, given he often referred to “class” and “capitalism" as the problem. I thought perhaps he had been hacked, but you have just confirmed my suspicions, that many on the “left” are questionable. I no longer receive his FB postings, maybe I’ve been blocked, given how many FB friends he has, I’m surprised anyone took note of what I said. Maybe he’s no longer doing them, but he evidently is still on Counterpunch radio. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 1 02:55:03 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 02:55:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NFN (News from Neptune) yesterday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: “Mueller" was my suggestion for a name they couldn’t come up with on NFN, it turns out it was Morell, Michael. In relation to Erik, “promoting fear and violence." Sorry, if I was being overly simplistic, I thought it was obvious. Standing up for our neighbors is one thing, walking around with loaded guns as vigilantes is another. By the way Karen, I hope you can be on AOTA to give Carl support, as I’m now taking a “break”. On Dec 31, 2016, at 18:24, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss > wrote: I am confused by your overly simplified, everyone sees the obvious problem here, assumption. When you wrote "Erik, really, you want white people to get loaded guns to kill other white people, in order to protect people of color?" to Mueller, were you protesting the: *White people *The loading of guns. *Fear. *The mongering of fear *The idea that people are afraid of other people. *The idea that white people should or should not stand up in defense of their non-white neighbors. *The suggestion of using violence when violence is threatened by someone against someone. *Or that Trump's speeches are not as powerful as some people claim they are. *Protecting people of color. *Using violence against white people. *That white people are not all alike. *That some white people actually commit racially motivated hate crimes. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > Date: 12/31/16 11:09 (GMT-06:00) To: "C. G. Estabrook" >, David Green > Cc: Peace Discuss > Subject: [Peace-discuss] NFN (News from Neptune) yesterday Good program, I think Carl was referring to “Mueller", close to Miller, in reference to CIA. I don’t have my notes while watching, so not sure. David: I think you make a good point, in respect to Erik Draitser. I used to listen to his programs faithfully, read his FB postings, to which I always received notification when he posted. Until after the election, when Erik was then on FB advising everyone, especially white people to get guns, loaded, to protect our “neighbors of color” as a result of the election and Trump. This was to me, worse hysteria than that which we saw being promoted by “move on.org” immediately after the election, and it was before the Cabinet appointments which are an indication of what’s to come. I responded to his email, “Erik, really, you want all white people to get loaded guns to kill other white people, in order to protect people of color?” Fomenting what I see as hysteria and “civil war” based upon race, religion, or politics, thus being counterproductive. I was astounded that such a bright young man, who seemed to be so knowledgeable in relation to current political events, would suggest anything other than “all people need to unite against the Establishment/Elite based upon issues, given he often referred to “class” and “capitalism" as the problem. I thought perhaps he had been hacked, but you have just confirmed my suspicions, that many on the “left” are questionable. I no longer receive his FB postings, maybe I’ve been blocked, given how many FB friends he has, I’m surprised anyone took note of what I said. Maybe he’s no longer doing them, but he evidently is still on Counterpunch radio. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Sun Jan 1 05:21:03 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 05:21:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] UPTV programs this week In-Reply-To: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net> References: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net> Message-ID: Congratulations on your impressive extemporaneous analyses and comments on the current state of affairs, domestic and foreign. I enjoyed listening. Maybe you will share your opinions in the near future on other critical issues; climate change and Trump's disdain thereof, and the “reset" towards the far east/China. Will Trump un reset? The Syria situation needs emphasis—what is really going on there? Incidentally, Chomsky seems to favor a regime change there, as with his good friend Gilbert Ashcar, one of those on the “left" who advocated/supported the attack on Libya. A fascinating chat between the two of you. Will this format be repeated? —mkb > On Dec 30, 2016, at 5:20 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > > AWARE ON THE AIR - Episode #393 | Tuesday 27 December 2016. > Members and friends of AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, present a weekly hour of discussion of the US government's war-making and its attendant racism: . > Produced and directed by Yousef Kash for Urbana (IL) Public TV. > > NEWS FROM NEPTUNE - Episode #324, a Personal is Political edition | Friday 30 December 2016. > . > Since 1990, News from Neptune has been a weekly hour of spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its coverage by the media, first on a soi-disant community radio station, and now on Urbana (IL) Public TV. > This edition was produced and directed by Yousef Kash. The discussants are C. G. Estabrook and David Green. > > ### > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 1 09:20:53 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 03:20:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] UPTV programs this week In-Reply-To: References: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net> Message-ID: Mort— I’m delighted that you found the chat fascinating, and, yes, these are minimalist versions of the format for both shows: AWARE ON THE AIR is ideally a multi-member panel discussion, centering on US war; and NEWS FROM NEPTUNE, more extensive in topics and more concentrated in personnel (no more than three). NEPTUNE began 25 years ago as un hommage to Chomsky’s ideas (hence the name), and his tilt to Clinton (because of the Republicans’ failure to recognize climate catastrophe) is the first serious position of his I can recall disagreeing with - and obviously not about climate change, just who was the lesser evil. And the jury is obviously out. That said, I think it’s worth while to revisit Chomsky/Ashcar on Libya: their positions were not identical, and both were better informed on the situation than most. (Roughly, Chomsky thought the initial UN resolution could be justified, but definitely not the almost immediate hijacking of it by Clinton et al. for an air assault on Libya.) And what Obama - and Putin - did in Syria is perhaps the worst reported (not by accident) story in the US media since the 1960s. Inshallah, we’ll be able to talk about it in the new year. Thank you indeed for the encouragement. —CGE > On Dec 31, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace wrote: > > Congratulations on your impressive extemporaneous analyses and comments on the current state of affairs, domestic and foreign. I enjoyed listening. Maybe you will share your opinions in the near future on other critical issues; climate change and Trump's disdain thereof, and the “reset" towards the far east/China. Will Trump un reset? The Syria situation needs emphasis—what is really going on there? Incidentally, Chomsky seems to favor a regime change there, as with his good friend Gilbert Ashcar, one of those on the “left" who advocated/supported the attack on Libya. > > A fascinating chat between the two of you. Will this format be repeated? > > —mkb > > >> On Dec 30, 2016, at 5:20 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >> >> AWARE ON THE AIR - Episode #393 | Tuesday 27 December 2016. >> Members and friends of AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, present a weekly hour of discussion of the US government's war-making and its attendant racism: . >> Produced and directed by Yousef Kash for Urbana (IL) Public TV. >> >> NEWS FROM NEPTUNE - Episode #324, a Personal is Political edition | Friday 30 December 2016. >> . >> Since 1990, News from Neptune has been a weekly hour of spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its coverage by the media, first on a soi-disant community radio station, and now on Urbana (IL) Public TV. >> This edition was produced and directed by Yousef Kash. The discussants are C. G. Estabrook and David Green. >> >> ### >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 1 12:18:20 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 12:18:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sanctuary Status Response to Wars Message-ID: I want to thank Karen for her fine Letter. Just remember that Killer Koh went to work for Reagan from 1983 to 1985 justifying every hideous atrocity that Reagan was then inflicting on innocent people all around the world, including Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, setting off the humanitarian crisis that necessitated the original Sanctuary Movement that I served as Counsel to. I also served as Counsel to The Pledge of Resistance. I explained all this to this Nazi Faculty of Law. They did not care. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Sanctuary status response to wars Top of Form Bottom of Form Fri, 12/30/2016 - 10:35am | The News-Gazette In the 1980s, refugees from Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador were coming to the U.S. as a result of the American interventions in their nations, as a result of our "special forces" invading, torturing and murdering. In 1986, the Immigration and Naturalization Service granted political asylum to less than 3 percent of the hundreds of thousands of Salvadorans who applied, with over 4,800 refugees returned to El Salvador. At least 50 of those turned up on the lists of victims killed by security forces or death squads. Thousands of Guatemalans were tortured and/or murdered by security forces under government control. Thus a group of anti-war activists in Urbana initiated a "sanctuary city" resolution, in order to protect the undocumented nationals arriving here from those nations and in spite of opposition from the local Nazi Party and the local KKK. Despite a death threat if he showed up at the Urbana council, law Professor Francis Boyle argued on behalf of the resolution, and it passed. Again, in December 2016, Professor Boyle, minus death threats, showed up to argue on behalf of a "revised" resolution. Revised because now it needed to be "all inclusive," given our continuing wars and interventions, throughout the Middle East and North Africa. Many come here for economic reasons, but when a nation is destroyed, chaos ensues, leaving the infrastructure and businesses damaged, causing unemployment. For those concerned with obedience to federal "law," I suggest we look at our government who has been breaking our laws, with their continuing "crimes against humanity." KAREN ARAM Urbana Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 1 12:33:24 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 12:33:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sanctuary Status Response to Wars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In addition, back around 1985-86 San Francisco wanted to expand their proposed original Sanctuary Resolution to include refugees from Apartheid South Africa. They decided to have a debate on the matter and invited me out there to argue the case against apartheid South Africa. So I went out to UCAL Hastings Law School in San Francisco to debate a white racist law professor from Southern Methodist U Law School who had no problems with Apartheid South Africa. That was one of the easiest debates I ever won. Killer Koh was working for Reagan while Reagan was supporting the criminal apartheid regime in South Africa. Killer Koh had no problems with apartheid South Africa-just like the white racist law professor from SMU Law. Once again, I explained all this to this Nazi Law Faculty. They did not care. Obviously, they had no problems with the criminal apartheid regime in South Africa either. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 6:18 AM To: C. G. Estabrook ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars I want to thank Karen for her fine Letter. Just remember that Killer Koh went to work for Reagan from 1983 to 1985 justifying every hideous atrocity that Reagan was then inflicting on innocent people all around the world, including Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, setting off the humanitarian crisis that necessitated the original Sanctuary Movement that I served as Counsel to. I also served as Counsel to The Pledge of Resistance. I explained all this to this Nazi Faculty of Law. They did not care. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Sanctuary status response to wars Top of Form Bottom of Form Fri, 12/30/2016 - 10:35am | The News-Gazette In the 1980s, refugees from Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador were coming to the U.S. as a result of the American interventions in their nations, as a result of our "special forces" invading, torturing and murdering. In 1986, the Immigration and Naturalization Service granted political asylum to less than 3 percent of the hundreds of thousands of Salvadorans who applied, with over 4,800 refugees returned to El Salvador. At least 50 of those turned up on the lists of victims killed by security forces or death squads. Thousands of Guatemalans were tortured and/or murdered by security forces under government control. Thus a group of anti-war activists in Urbana initiated a "sanctuary city" resolution, in order to protect the undocumented nationals arriving here from those nations and in spite of opposition from the local Nazi Party and the local KKK. Despite a death threat if he showed up at the Urbana council, law Professor Francis Boyle argued on behalf of the resolution, and it passed. Again, in December 2016, Professor Boyle, minus death threats, showed up to argue on behalf of a "revised" resolution. Revised because now it needed to be "all inclusive," given our continuing wars and interventions, throughout the Middle East and North Africa. Many come here for economic reasons, but when a nation is destroyed, chaos ensues, leaving the infrastructure and businesses damaged, causing unemployment. For those concerned with obedience to federal "law," I suggest we look at our government who has been breaking our laws, with their continuing "crimes against humanity." KAREN ARAM Urbana Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 1 13:36:26 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 13:36:26 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sanctuary Status Response to Wars v Illinois Nazi Law School Message-ID: While Killer Koh was working for Reagan in 1984, justifying every hideous atrocity Reagan was then inflicting upon innocent people all over the world, I did the first draft of this Judgement against Reagan et al on the basis of the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles, and then negotiated out the final text with the approval of my Colleagues, one of whom was my Friend Mary Kaufman, Esq. who prosecuted IG Farben at Nuremberg-RIP. I circulated this Judgement to this Nazi Faculty of Law against their inviting Killer Koh and emphasized the importance of Mary signing it. They did not care! They are all just of Gang of Nazis! Not fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" B. Western Hemisphere 2. Grenada. The Reagan administration's 1983 invasion of Grenada was a clear-cut violation of the UN Charter articles 2(3), 2(4), and 33 as well as of articles 18, 20, and 21 of the Revised OAS Charter for which there was no valid excuse or justification under international law. As such, it constituted an act of aggression within the meaning of article 39 of the United Nation's Charter. 3. Threat of U.S. Intervention. In direct violation of the basic requirement of international law mandating the peaceful settlement of international disputes, the Reagan administration has implemented a foreign policy towards Central American that constitutes a great danger of escalation in military hostilities to the point of precipitating armed intervention by U.S. troops into combat against both the insurgents in El Salvador and the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 4. El Salvador. The Reagan administration's illegal intervention inot El Salvador's civil war contravenes the international legal right of self-determination of peoples as recognized by article 1(2) of the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has provided enormous amounts of military assistance to an oppressive regime that has used it to perpetrate a gross and consistent pattern of violations of the most fundamental human rights of the people of El Salvador. 5. Nicaragua. The Reagan administration's policy of organizing and participating in military operations by opposition contra groups for the purpose of overthrowing the legitimate government of Nicaragua violates the terms of both the UN and OAS. Charters prohibiting the threat or use of force against the political independence of a state. The Reagan administration has flouted its obligation to terminate immediately its support for the opposition contra groups in accordance with the Interim Order of Protection issued by the International Court of Justice on 10 May 1984. 6. The International Court of Justice. The Panel denounces the patently bogus attempt by the Reagan administration to withdraw from the compulsory jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in the suit brought against it by Nicaragua for the purpose of avoiding a peaceful settlement of this dispute by the World Court in order to pursue instead a policy based upon military intervention, lawless violence and destabilization of the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 7. Mining Nicaraguan Harbors. The Reagan administration's mining of Nicaraguan harbors violates the rules of international law set forth in the 1907 Hague Convention on the laying of Submarine Mines, to which both Nicaragua and the United States are parties. Conclusions and Judgment of Brussels Tribunal on Reagan's Foreign Policy (September 30, 1984) The International Conference on the Reagan administration's foreign policy convened in Brussels from 28-30 September, 1984 under the auspices of the International Progress Organization. Reports were submitted by international jurists and foreign policy specialists on the various aspects of the Reagan administration's foreign policy. Among the participants of the conference were Sean McBride (Nobel Laureate, Ireland), Prof. George Wald (Nobel Laureate, Harvard University), General Edgardo Mercado Jarrin (Peru), General Nino Pasti (former Deputy Supreme Commander of NATO) and Hortensia Bussi de Allende (Chile). The reports were presented before a panel of jurists consisting of Hon. Farouk Abu-Eissa (Sudan), attorney, former foreign minister, secretary-general of the Arab Lawyers Union; Prof. Francis A. Boyle (U.S.A.), professor of international law from the University of Illinois, Chairman; Dr. Hans Goeran Franck (Sweden), attorney, member of the Swedish Parliament; Hon. Mirza Gholam Hafiz (Bangladesh), former Speaker of the Bangladesh Parliament and currently a senior advocate of the Bangladesh Supreme Court; Hon. Mary M. Kaufman (U.S.A.), attorney-at-law, prosecuting attorney at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trial against I.G. Farben; Dr. Jean-Claude Njem (Cameroon), assistant-professor at the Faculty of Law, Uppsala University and a consultant of the government; Prof. Alberto Ruiz-Eldredge (Peru), professor of law, former president of the National Council of Justice; and Dr. Muemlaz Soysal (Turkey), professor of constitutional law, University of Ankara. An accusation against the international legality of the Reagan Administration's foreign policy was delivered by the Honorable Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General. The defense was presented by a legal expert of the Reagan Administration. Based upon all the reports and documents submitted and the arguments by the advocates, the Brussels Panel of Jurists hereby renders the following conclusions concerning the compatibility of the Reagan Administration's foreign policy with the requirements of international law. A. Introduction 1. General Introduction. The Reagan administration's foreign policy constitutes a gross violation of the fundamental principles of international law enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations Organization, as well as the basic rules of customary international law set forth in the UN General Assembly's Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention in the Domestic Affairs of States and the Protection of Their Independence and Sovereignty (1965), its Declaration on the Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation Among States in Accordance with the Charter of the United Nations (1970), and its Definition of Aggression (1974), among others. In addition, the Reagan administration is responsible for complicity in the commission of crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, war crimes and grave breaches of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions of 1949. B. Western Hemisphere 2. Grenada. The Reagan administration's 1983 invasion of Grenada was a clear-cut violation of the UN Charter articles 2(3), 2(4), and 33 as well as of articles 18, 20, and 21 of the Revised OAS Charter for which there was no valid excuse or justification under international law. As such, it constituted an act of aggression within the meaning of article 39 of the United Nation's Charter. 3. Threat of U.S. Intervention. In direct violation of the basic requirement of international law mandating the peaceful settlement of international disputes, the Reagan administration has implemented a foreign policy towards Central American that constitutes a great danger of escalation in military hostilities to the point of precipitating armed intervention by U.S. troops into combat against both the insurgents in El Salvador and the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 4. El Salvador. The Reagan administration's illegal intervention inot El Salvador's civil war contravenes the international legal right of self-determination of peoples as recognized by article 1(2) of the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has provided enormous amounts of military assistance to an oppressive regime that has used it to perpetrate a gross and consistent pattern of violations of the most fundamental human rights of the people of El Salvador. 5. Nicaragua. The Reagan administration's policy of organizing and participating in military operations by opposition contra groups for the purpose of overthrowing the legitimate government of Nicaragua violates the terms of both the UN and OAS. Charters prohibiting the threat or use of force against the political independence of a state. The Reagan administration has flouted its obligation to terminate immediately its support for the opposition contra groups in accordance with the Interim Order of Protection issued by the International Court of Justice on 10 May 1984. 6. The International Court of Justice. The Panel denounces the patently bogus attempt by the Reagan administration to withdraw from the compulsory jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in the suit brought against it by Nicaragua for the purpose of avoiding a peaceful settlement of this dispute by the World Court in order to pursue instead a policy based upon military intervention, lawless violence and destabilization of the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 7. Mining Nicaraguan Harbors. The Reagan administration's mining of Nicaraguan harbors violates the rules of international law set forth in the 1907 Hague Convention on the laying of Submarine Mines, to which both Nicaragua and the United States are parties. C. Nuclear Weapons Policies 8. Arms Control Treaties. The Reagan administration has refused to support the ratification of the Threshold Test Ban Treaty of 1974, the Peaceful Nuclear Explosions Treaty of 1976, and the SALT II Treaty of 1979. In addition to renouncing the longstanding objective of the U.S. government to renegotiate a comprehensive test ban treaty. As such the Reagan administration has failed to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament as required by article 6 of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1968. Similarly, the Reagan administration's "Strategic Defense Initiative" of 1983 threatens to breach the Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems Treaty of 1972. 9. Pershing 2 Missiles. The deployment of the offensive, first-strike, counterforce strategic nuclear weapons system known as the Pershing 2 missile in the Federal Republic of Germany violates the non-circumvention clause found in article 12 of the SALT II Treaty. The Reagan administration is bound to obey this prohibition pursuant to the rule of customary international law enunciated in article 18 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties to the effect that a signatory to a treaty is obliged to refrain from acts that would defeat the object and purpose of a treaty until it has made its intention clear not to become a party. 10. The MX Missile. The MX missile is an offensive, first-strike, counterforce, strategic nuclear weapons system that can serve no legitimate defensive purpose under UN Charter article 51 and the international laws of humanitarian armed conflict. 11. No-First-Use. In accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 1553 of 24 November 1961, the Panel denounces the refusal by the Reagan administration to adopt a policy mandating the no-first-use of nuclear weapons in the event of a conventional attack as required by the basic rule of international law dictating proportionality in the use of force even for the purposes of legitimate self-defense. 12. ASAT Treaty. The Panel calls upon both the United States and the Soviet Union to negotiate unconditionally over the conclusion of an anti-satellite weapons treaty. D. Middle East 13. Lebanon. For the part it played in the planning, preparation and initiation of the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, the Reagan administration has committed a crime against peace as defined by the Nuremberg Principles. Likewise, under the Nuremberg Principles, the Reagan administration becomes an accomplice to the crimes against humanity, war crimes and grave breaches of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions of 1949 that have been committed or condoned by Israel and its allied Phalange and Haddad militia forces in Lebanon. Such complicity includes the savage massacre of genocidal character of hundreds of innocent Palestinians and Lebanese civilians by organized unites of the Phalangist militia at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps located in West Beirut that were then subject to control by the occupying Israeli army. The Reagan administration has totally failed to discharge its obligation to obtain Israel's immediate and unconditional withdrawal from all parts of Lebanon as required by UN Security Council Resolutions 508 and 509 (1982), both of which are legally binding in Israel and the United States under UN Charter article 28. This includes Israeli evacuation of southern Lebanon. 14. The Palestinian Question. The Reagan administration's policy toward the Palestinian people as well as the Reagan "Peace Plan" of 1 September 1982 violates the international legal right of the Palestinian people to self-determination as recognized by UN Charter article 1(2). As recognized by numerous General Assembly resolutions, the Palestinian people have an international legal right to create and independent and sovereign state. The Palestinian Liberation Organization has been recognized as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people by both the United Nations General Assembly and the League of Arab States. The Reagan administration's nonrecognition of the PLO and its attempt to brand the PLO a "terrorist" group contravene the Palestinian people's right to liberation. The panel denounces the negative attitude of the Reagan Administration towards the call by the United Nations' Secretary General for the convocation of an international conference under the auspices of the United Nations, with the United States and the Soviet Union as co-chairmen, and with the participation of all parties involved in the conflict including the PLO, for the purpose of obtaining a just and lasting peace in the Middle East. 15. Israeli Settlements. The Reagan administration's declared position that Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories are "not illegal" is a violation of U.S. obligations under article 1 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 to ensure respect for the terms of the Convention (here article 49) by other High Contracting Parties such as Israel. 16. Libya. The Reagan administration's dispatch of the U.S. Sixth Fleet into the Gulf of Sidra for the purpose of precipitating armed conflict with the Libyan government constitutes a breach fo the peace under Article 39 of the UN Charter. The Reagan administration's policy to attempt to destabilize the government of Libya violates the terms of the United Nations Charter article 2(4) prohibiting the threat or use of force directed against the political independence of a state. E. Africa, Asia and the Indian Ocean 17. Apartheid. The Panel denounces the Reagan administration's so-called policy of "constructive engagement" toward the apartheid regime in South Africa. This specious policy encourages discrimination and oppression against the majority of the people of South Africa; it hampers effective action by the international community against apartheid and facilitates aggressive conduct by the South African apartheid regime against neighbor states in violation of the UN Charter. As such, the Reagan administration has become an accomplice to the commission of the international crime of apartheid as recognized by the universally accepted International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 1973. The Panel also denounces the cooperation between the Reagan administration and South Africa in military and nuclear matters. 18. Namibia. The Reagan administration has refused to carry out its obligations under Security Council Resolution 435 (1978) providing for the independence of Namibia, as required by article 25 of the UN Charter. The right of the Namibian people to self-determination had been firmly established under international law long before the outbreak of the Angolan civil war. The Reagan administration has no right to obstruct the achievement of Namibian independence by conditioning it or "linking" it to the withdrawal of Cuban troops from Angola in any way. Both the UN General Assembly and the Organization of African Unity have recognized SWAPI as the legitimate representative of the Namibian people and the Reagan administration is obligated to negotiate with it as such. 19. Angola. Cuban troops are in Angola at the request of the legitimate government of Angola in order to protect it from overt and covert aggression mounted by the South African apartheid regime from Namibia. There is absolutely no international legal justification for South African aggression against Angola in order to maintain and consolidate its reprehensible occupation of Namibia. The Angolan government has repeatedly stated that when South Africa leaves Namibia it will request the withdrawal of Cuban troops, and Cuba has agreed to withdraw its troops whenever so requested by Angola. According to the relevant rules of international law, that is the proper sequence of events to be followed. The Reagan administration's "linkage" of the presence of the Cuban troops in Angola with the independence of Namibia encourages South African aggression against Angola, and thus it must share in the responsibility for South Africa's genocidal acts against the people of Angola. 20. Indian Ocean. The Reagan administration's continued military occupation of the island of Diego Garcia violates the international right of self-determination of the people of Mauritius as recognized by the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has accelerated the rapid militarization of the U.S. naval base on Diego Garcia as part of its plan to create a jumping-off point for intervention by the Rapid Deployment Force into the Persian Gulf. As such the Reagan administration 's foreign policy towards the Indian Ocean has violated the terms of the UN General Assembly's Declaration of the Indian Ocean as a Zone of Peace (1971). F. Conclusion 21. United Nations Action. From the foregoing, it is clear that the Reagan administration has substituted force for the rule of international law in its conduct of foreign policy around the world. It has thus created a serious threat to the maintenance of international peace and security under article 39 of the United Nations Charter that calls for the imposition of enforcement measures by the UN Security Council under articles 41 and 42. In the event the Reagan administration exercises its veto power against the adoption of such measures by the Security Council, the matter should be turned over the to UN General assembly for action in accordance with the procedures set forth in the Uniting for Peace Resolution of 1950. In this way the Reagan administration's grievous international transgressions could be effectively opposed by all members of the world community in a manner consistent with the requirements of international law. Both the Security Council and the General Assembly should also take into account the numerous interventionist measures taken by the Reagan Administration, whether direct or indirect, seeking to impose financial and economic policies which are contrary to the sovereign independence of states, especially in the developing world, and which severely damage the quality of life for all peoples. Farouk Abu-Eissa Mary Kaufman Francis A. Boyle, Chairman Jean-Claude Njem Hans Goeran Franck Alberto Ruiz-Eldredge Mirza Gholam Hafiz Muemlaz Soysal Brussels, Belgium 30 September 1984. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (voice) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 6:33 AM To: C. G. Estabrook ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars In addition, back around 1985-86 San Francisco wanted to expand their proposed original Sanctuary Resolution to include refugees from Apartheid South Africa. They decided to have a debate on the matter and invited me out there to argue the case against apartheid South Africa. So I went out to UCAL Hastings Law School in San Francisco to debate a white racist law professor from Southern Methodist U Law School who had no problems with Apartheid South Africa. That was one of the easiest debates I ever won. Killer Koh was working for Reagan while Reagan was supporting the criminal apartheid regime in South Africa. Killer Koh had no problems with apartheid South Africa-just like the white racist law professor from SMU Law. Once again, I explained all this to this Nazi Law Faculty. They did not care. Obviously, they had no problems with the criminal apartheid regime in South Africa either. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 6:18 AM To: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars I want to thank Karen for her fine Letter. Just remember that Killer Koh went to work for Reagan from 1983 to 1985 justifying every hideous atrocity that Reagan was then inflicting on innocent people all around the world, including Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, setting off the humanitarian crisis that necessitated the original Sanctuary Movement that I served as Counsel to. I also served as Counsel to The Pledge of Resistance. I explained all this to this Nazi Faculty of Law. They did not care. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Sanctuary status response to wars Top of Form Bottom of Form Fri, 12/30/2016 - 10:35am | The News-Gazette In the 1980s, refugees from Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador were coming to the U.S. as a result of the American interventions in their nations, as a result of our "special forces" invading, torturing and murdering. In 1986, the Immigration and Naturalization Service granted political asylum to less than 3 percent of the hundreds of thousands of Salvadorans who applied, with over 4,800 refugees returned to El Salvador. At least 50 of those turned up on the lists of victims killed by security forces or death squads. Thousands of Guatemalans were tortured and/or murdered by security forces under government control. Thus a group of anti-war activists in Urbana initiated a "sanctuary city" resolution, in order to protect the undocumented nationals arriving here from those nations and in spite of opposition from the local Nazi Party and the local KKK. Despite a death threat if he showed up at the Urbana council, law Professor Francis Boyle argued on behalf of the resolution, and it passed. Again, in December 2016, Professor Boyle, minus death threats, showed up to argue on behalf of a "revised" resolution. Revised because now it needed to be "all inclusive," given our continuing wars and interventions, throughout the Middle East and North Africa. Many come here for economic reasons, but when a nation is destroyed, chaos ensues, leaving the infrastructure and businesses damaged, causing unemployment. For those concerned with obedience to federal "law," I suggest we look at our government who has been breaking our laws, with their continuing "crimes against humanity." KAREN ARAM Urbana Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 1 13:53:22 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 13:53:22 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sanctuary Status Response to Wars v Illinois Nazi Law School Message-ID: And as I mentioned before later on Killer Koh would brag to his Yale Law Students that he was the one who wrote the Opinion Letter justifying Reagan's invasion of Grenada that I was then leading the forces of opposition against. Once again, I told this to this Nazi Law Faculty against their inviting Killer Koh. They did not care. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" 2. Grenada. The Reagan administration's 1983 invasion of Grenada was a clear-cut violation of the UN Charter articles 2(3), 2(4), and 33 as well as of articles 18, 20, and 21 of the Revised OAS Charter for which there was no valid excuse or justification under international law. As such, it constituted an act of aggression within the meaning of article 39 of the United Nation's Charter. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 7:36 AM To: C. G. Estabrook ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars v Illinois Nazi Law School While Killer Koh was working for Reagan in 1984, justifying every hideous atrocity Reagan was then inflicting upon innocent people all over the world, I did the first draft of this Judgement against Reagan et al on the basis of the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles, and then negotiated out the final text with the approval of my Colleagues, one of whom was my Friend Mary Kaufman, Esq. who prosecuted IG Farben at Nuremberg-RIP. I circulated this Judgement to this Nazi Faculty of Law against their inviting Killer Koh and emphasized the importance of Mary signing it. They did not care! They are all just of Gang of Nazis! Not fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" B. Western Hemisphere 2. Grenada. The Reagan administration's 1983 invasion of Grenada was a clear-cut violation of the UN Charter articles 2(3), 2(4), and 33 as well as of articles 18, 20, and 21 of the Revised OAS Charter for which there was no valid excuse or justification under international law. As such, it constituted an act of aggression within the meaning of article 39 of the United Nation's Charter. 3. Threat of U.S. Intervention. In direct violation of the basic requirement of international law mandating the peaceful settlement of international disputes, the Reagan administration has implemented a foreign policy towards Central American that constitutes a great danger of escalation in military hostilities to the point of precipitating armed intervention by U.S. troops into combat against both the insurgents in El Salvador and the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 4. El Salvador. The Reagan administration's illegal intervention inot El Salvador's civil war contravenes the international legal right of self-determination of peoples as recognized by article 1(2) of the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has provided enormous amounts of military assistance to an oppressive regime that has used it to perpetrate a gross and consistent pattern of violations of the most fundamental human rights of the people of El Salvador. 5. Nicaragua. The Reagan administration's policy of organizing and participating in military operations by opposition contra groups for the purpose of overthrowing the legitimate government of Nicaragua violates the terms of both the UN and OAS. Charters prohibiting the threat or use of force against the political independence of a state. The Reagan administration has flouted its obligation to terminate immediately its support for the opposition contra groups in accordance with the Interim Order of Protection issued by the International Court of Justice on 10 May 1984. 6. The International Court of Justice. The Panel denounces the patently bogus attempt by the Reagan administration to withdraw from the compulsory jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in the suit brought against it by Nicaragua for the purpose of avoiding a peaceful settlement of this dispute by the World Court in order to pursue instead a policy based upon military intervention, lawless violence and destabilization of the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 7. Mining Nicaraguan Harbors. The Reagan administration's mining of Nicaraguan harbors violates the rules of international law set forth in the 1907 Hague Convention on the laying of Submarine Mines, to which both Nicaragua and the United States are parties. Conclusions and Judgment of Brussels Tribunal on Reagan's Foreign Policy (September 30, 1984) The International Conference on the Reagan administration's foreign policy convened in Brussels from 28-30 September, 1984 under the auspices of the International Progress Organization. Reports were submitted by international jurists and foreign policy specialists on the various aspects of the Reagan administration's foreign policy. Among the participants of the conference were Sean McBride (Nobel Laureate, Ireland), Prof. George Wald (Nobel Laureate, Harvard University), General Edgardo Mercado Jarrin (Peru), General Nino Pasti (former Deputy Supreme Commander of NATO) and Hortensia Bussi de Allende (Chile). The reports were presented before a panel of jurists consisting of Hon. Farouk Abu-Eissa (Sudan), attorney, former foreign minister, secretary-general of the Arab Lawyers Union; Prof. Francis A. Boyle (U.S.A.), professor of international law from the University of Illinois, Chairman; Dr. Hans Goeran Franck (Sweden), attorney, member of the Swedish Parliament; Hon. Mirza Gholam Hafiz (Bangladesh), former Speaker of the Bangladesh Parliament and currently a senior advocate of the Bangladesh Supreme Court; Hon. Mary M. Kaufman (U.S.A.), attorney-at-law, prosecuting attorney at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trial against I.G. Farben; Dr. Jean-Claude Njem (Cameroon), assistant-professor at the Faculty of Law, Uppsala University and a consultant of the government; Prof. Alberto Ruiz-Eldredge (Peru), professor of law, former president of the National Council of Justice; and Dr. Muemlaz Soysal (Turkey), professor of constitutional law, University of Ankara. An accusation against the international legality of the Reagan Administration's foreign policy was delivered by the Honorable Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General. The defense was presented by a legal expert of the Reagan Administration. Based upon all the reports and documents submitted and the arguments by the advocates, the Brussels Panel of Jurists hereby renders the following conclusions concerning the compatibility of the Reagan Administration's foreign policy with the requirements of international law. A. Introduction 1. General Introduction. The Reagan administration's foreign policy constitutes a gross violation of the fundamental principles of international law enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations Organization, as well as the basic rules of customary international law set forth in the UN General Assembly's Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention in the Domestic Affairs of States and the Protection of Their Independence and Sovereignty (1965), its Declaration on the Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation Among States in Accordance with the Charter of the United Nations (1970), and its Definition of Aggression (1974), among others. In addition, the Reagan administration is responsible for complicity in the commission of crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, war crimes and grave breaches of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions of 1949. B. Western Hemisphere 2. Grenada. The Reagan administration's 1983 invasion of Grenada was a clear-cut violation of the UN Charter articles 2(3), 2(4), and 33 as well as of articles 18, 20, and 21 of the Revised OAS Charter for which there was no valid excuse or justification under international law. As such, it constituted an act of aggression within the meaning of article 39 of the United Nation's Charter. 3. Threat of U.S. Intervention. In direct violation of the basic requirement of international law mandating the peaceful settlement of international disputes, the Reagan administration has implemented a foreign policy towards Central American that constitutes a great danger of escalation in military hostilities to the point of precipitating armed intervention by U.S. troops into combat against both the insurgents in El Salvador and the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 4. El Salvador. The Reagan administration's illegal intervention inot El Salvador's civil war contravenes the international legal right of self-determination of peoples as recognized by article 1(2) of the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has provided enormous amounts of military assistance to an oppressive regime that has used it to perpetrate a gross and consistent pattern of violations of the most fundamental human rights of the people of El Salvador. 5. Nicaragua. The Reagan administration's policy of organizing and participating in military operations by opposition contra groups for the purpose of overthrowing the legitimate government of Nicaragua violates the terms of both the UN and OAS. Charters prohibiting the threat or use of force against the political independence of a state. The Reagan administration has flouted its obligation to terminate immediately its support for the opposition contra groups in accordance with the Interim Order of Protection issued by the International Court of Justice on 10 May 1984. 6. The International Court of Justice. The Panel denounces the patently bogus attempt by the Reagan administration to withdraw from the compulsory jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in the suit brought against it by Nicaragua for the purpose of avoiding a peaceful settlement of this dispute by the World Court in order to pursue instead a policy based upon military intervention, lawless violence and destabilization of the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 7. Mining Nicaraguan Harbors. The Reagan administration's mining of Nicaraguan harbors violates the rules of international law set forth in the 1907 Hague Convention on the laying of Submarine Mines, to which both Nicaragua and the United States are parties. C. Nuclear Weapons Policies 8. Arms Control Treaties. The Reagan administration has refused to support the ratification of the Threshold Test Ban Treaty of 1974, the Peaceful Nuclear Explosions Treaty of 1976, and the SALT II Treaty of 1979. In addition to renouncing the longstanding objective of the U.S. government to renegotiate a comprehensive test ban treaty. As such the Reagan administration has failed to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament as required by article 6 of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1968. Similarly, the Reagan administration's "Strategic Defense Initiative" of 1983 threatens to breach the Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems Treaty of 1972. 9. Pershing 2 Missiles. The deployment of the offensive, first-strike, counterforce strategic nuclear weapons system known as the Pershing 2 missile in the Federal Republic of Germany violates the non-circumvention clause found in article 12 of the SALT II Treaty. The Reagan administration is bound to obey this prohibition pursuant to the rule of customary international law enunciated in article 18 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties to the effect that a signatory to a treaty is obliged to refrain from acts that would defeat the object and purpose of a treaty until it has made its intention clear not to become a party. 10. The MX Missile. The MX missile is an offensive, first-strike, counterforce, strategic nuclear weapons system that can serve no legitimate defensive purpose under UN Charter article 51 and the international laws of humanitarian armed conflict. 11. No-First-Use. In accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 1553 of 24 November 1961, the Panel denounces the refusal by the Reagan administration to adopt a policy mandating the no-first-use of nuclear weapons in the event of a conventional attack as required by the basic rule of international law dictating proportionality in the use of force even for the purposes of legitimate self-defense. 12. ASAT Treaty. The Panel calls upon both the United States and the Soviet Union to negotiate unconditionally over the conclusion of an anti-satellite weapons treaty. D. Middle East 13. Lebanon. For the part it played in the planning, preparation and initiation of the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, the Reagan administration has committed a crime against peace as defined by the Nuremberg Principles. Likewise, under the Nuremberg Principles, the Reagan administration becomes an accomplice to the crimes against humanity, war crimes and grave breaches of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions of 1949 that have been committed or condoned by Israel and its allied Phalange and Haddad militia forces in Lebanon. Such complicity includes the savage massacre of genocidal character of hundreds of innocent Palestinians and Lebanese civilians by organized unites of the Phalangist militia at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps located in West Beirut that were then subject to control by the occupying Israeli army. The Reagan administration has totally failed to discharge its obligation to obtain Israel's immediate and unconditional withdrawal from all parts of Lebanon as required by UN Security Council Resolutions 508 and 509 (1982), both of which are legally binding in Israel and the United States under UN Charter article 28. This includes Israeli evacuation of southern Lebanon. 14. The Palestinian Question. The Reagan administration's policy toward the Palestinian people as well as the Reagan "Peace Plan" of 1 September 1982 violates the international legal right of the Palestinian people to self-determination as recognized by UN Charter article 1(2). As recognized by numerous General Assembly resolutions, the Palestinian people have an international legal right to create and independent and sovereign state. The Palestinian Liberation Organization has been recognized as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people by both the United Nations General Assembly and the League of Arab States. The Reagan administration's nonrecognition of the PLO and its attempt to brand the PLO a "terrorist" group contravene the Palestinian people's right to liberation. The panel denounces the negative attitude of the Reagan Administration towards the call by the United Nations' Secretary General for the convocation of an international conference under the auspices of the United Nations, with the United States and the Soviet Union as co-chairmen, and with the participation of all parties involved in the conflict including the PLO, for the purpose of obtaining a just and lasting peace in the Middle East. 15. Israeli Settlements. The Reagan administration's declared position that Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories are "not illegal" is a violation of U.S. obligations under article 1 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 to ensure respect for the terms of the Convention (here article 49) by other High Contracting Parties such as Israel. 16. Libya. The Reagan administration's dispatch of the U.S. Sixth Fleet into the Gulf of Sidra for the purpose of precipitating armed conflict with the Libyan government constitutes a breach fo the peace under Article 39 of the UN Charter. The Reagan administration's policy to attempt to destabilize the government of Libya violates the terms of the United Nations Charter article 2(4) prohibiting the threat or use of force directed against the political independence of a state. E. Africa, Asia and the Indian Ocean 17. Apartheid. The Panel denounces the Reagan administration's so-called policy of "constructive engagement" toward the apartheid regime in South Africa. This specious policy encourages discrimination and oppression against the majority of the people of South Africa; it hampers effective action by the international community against apartheid and facilitates aggressive conduct by the South African apartheid regime against neighbor states in violation of the UN Charter. As such, the Reagan administration has become an accomplice to the commission of the international crime of apartheid as recognized by the universally accepted International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 1973. The Panel also denounces the cooperation between the Reagan administration and South Africa in military and nuclear matters. 18. Namibia. The Reagan administration has refused to carry out its obligations under Security Council Resolution 435 (1978) providing for the independence of Namibia, as required by article 25 of the UN Charter. The right of the Namibian people to self-determination had been firmly established under international law long before the outbreak of the Angolan civil war. The Reagan administration has no right to obstruct the achievement of Namibian independence by conditioning it or "linking" it to the withdrawal of Cuban troops from Angola in any way. Both the UN General Assembly and the Organization of African Unity have recognized SWAPI as the legitimate representative of the Namibian people and the Reagan administration is obligated to negotiate with it as such. 19. Angola. Cuban troops are in Angola at the request of the legitimate government of Angola in order to protect it from overt and covert aggression mounted by the South African apartheid regime from Namibia. There is absolutely no international legal justification for South African aggression against Angola in order to maintain and consolidate its reprehensible occupation of Namibia. The Angolan government has repeatedly stated that when South Africa leaves Namibia it will request the withdrawal of Cuban troops, and Cuba has agreed to withdraw its troops whenever so requested by Angola. According to the relevant rules of international law, that is the proper sequence of events to be followed. The Reagan administration's "linkage" of the presence of the Cuban troops in Angola with the independence of Namibia encourages South African aggression against Angola, and thus it must share in the responsibility for South Africa's genocidal acts against the people of Angola. 20. Indian Ocean. The Reagan administration's continued military occupation of the island of Diego Garcia violates the international right of self-determination of the people of Mauritius as recognized by the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has accelerated the rapid militarization of the U.S. naval base on Diego Garcia as part of its plan to create a jumping-off point for intervention by the Rapid Deployment Force into the Persian Gulf. As such the Reagan administration 's foreign policy towards the Indian Ocean has violated the terms of the UN General Assembly's Declaration of the Indian Ocean as a Zone of Peace (1971). F. Conclusion 21. United Nations Action. From the foregoing, it is clear that the Reagan administration has substituted force for the rule of international law in its conduct of foreign policy around the world. It has thus created a serious threat to the maintenance of international peace and security under article 39 of the United Nations Charter that calls for the imposition of enforcement measures by the UN Security Council under articles 41 and 42. In the event the Reagan administration exercises its veto power against the adoption of such measures by the Security Council, the matter should be turned over the to UN General assembly for action in accordance with the procedures set forth in the Uniting for Peace Resolution of 1950. In this way the Reagan administration's grievous international transgressions could be effectively opposed by all members of the world community in a manner consistent with the requirements of international law. Both the Security Council and the General Assembly should also take into account the numerous interventionist measures taken by the Reagan Administration, whether direct or indirect, seeking to impose financial and economic policies which are contrary to the sovereign independence of states, especially in the developing world, and which severely damage the quality of life for all peoples. Farouk Abu-Eissa Mary Kaufman Francis A. Boyle, Chairman Jean-Claude Njem Hans Goeran Franck Alberto Ruiz-Eldredge Mirza Gholam Hafiz Muemlaz Soysal Brussels, Belgium 30 September 1984. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (voice) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 6:33 AM To: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars In addition, back around 1985-86 San Francisco wanted to expand their proposed original Sanctuary Resolution to include refugees from Apartheid South Africa. They decided to have a debate on the matter and invited me out there to argue the case against apartheid South Africa. So I went out to UCAL Hastings Law School in San Francisco to debate a white racist law professor from Southern Methodist U Law School who had no problems with Apartheid South Africa. That was one of the easiest debates I ever won. Killer Koh was working for Reagan while Reagan was supporting the criminal apartheid regime in South Africa. Killer Koh had no problems with apartheid South Africa-just like the white racist law professor from SMU Law. Once again, I explained all this to this Nazi Law Faculty. They did not care. Obviously, they had no problems with the criminal apartheid regime in South Africa either. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 6:18 AM To: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars I want to thank Karen for her fine Letter. Just remember that Killer Koh went to work for Reagan from 1983 to 1985 justifying every hideous atrocity that Reagan was then inflicting on innocent people all around the world, including Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, setting off the humanitarian crisis that necessitated the original Sanctuary Movement that I served as Counsel to. I also served as Counsel to The Pledge of Resistance. I explained all this to this Nazi Faculty of Law. They did not care. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Sanctuary status response to wars Top of Form Bottom of Form Fri, 12/30/2016 - 10:35am | The News-Gazette In the 1980s, refugees from Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador were coming to the U.S. as a result of the American interventions in their nations, as a result of our "special forces" invading, torturing and murdering. In 1986, the Immigration and Naturalization Service granted political asylum to less than 3 percent of the hundreds of thousands of Salvadorans who applied, with over 4,800 refugees returned to El Salvador. At least 50 of those turned up on the lists of victims killed by security forces or death squads. Thousands of Guatemalans were tortured and/or murdered by security forces under government control. Thus a group of anti-war activists in Urbana initiated a "sanctuary city" resolution, in order to protect the undocumented nationals arriving here from those nations and in spite of opposition from the local Nazi Party and the local KKK. Despite a death threat if he showed up at the Urbana council, law Professor Francis Boyle argued on behalf of the resolution, and it passed. Again, in December 2016, Professor Boyle, minus death threats, showed up to argue on behalf of a "revised" resolution. Revised because now it needed to be "all inclusive," given our continuing wars and interventions, throughout the Middle East and North Africa. Many come here for economic reasons, but when a nation is destroyed, chaos ensues, leaving the infrastructure and businesses damaged, causing unemployment. For those concerned with obedience to federal "law," I suggest we look at our government who has been breaking our laws, with their continuing "crimes against humanity." KAREN ARAM Urbana Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 1 15:09:40 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 15:09:40 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sanctuary Status Response to Wars v Illinois Nazi Law School Message-ID: If you are interested in reading the legal arguments I used to defend those arrested and prosecuted for opposing Reagan et al including Killer Koh for every hideous atrocity they inflicted on innocent people all over the world, they are set forth in my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law (Transnational Publishers Inc. 1987). This Nazi Law Faculty could not care less when they invited Killer Koh to come out here and Campaign for Killer Clinton on October 28, 2016. Let them all be relegated to the proverbial Ashcan of History! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law by Francis A. Boyle Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law. These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others. He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East. Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom. This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities. The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law. Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking. A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense. The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action. Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest. At this low price, this volume should be on the shelf of every person interested in civil resistance or international law. Francis A. Boyle Law Building Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 7:36 AM To: C. G. Estabrook ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars v Illinois Nazi Law School While Killer Koh was working for Reagan in 1984, justifying every hideous atrocity Reagan was then inflicting upon innocent people all over the world, I did the first draft of this Judgement against Reagan et al on the basis of the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles, and then negotiated out the final text with the approval of my Colleagues, one of whom was my Friend Mary Kaufman, Esq. who prosecuted IG Farben at Nuremberg-RIP. I circulated this Judgement to this Nazi Faculty of Law against their inviting Killer Koh and emphasized the importance of Mary signing it. They did not care! They are all just of Gang of Nazis! Not fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" B. Western Hemisphere 2. Grenada. The Reagan administration's 1983 invasion of Grenada was a clear-cut violation of the UN Charter articles 2(3), 2(4), and 33 as well as of articles 18, 20, and 21 of the Revised OAS Charter for which there was no valid excuse or justification under international law. As such, it constituted an act of aggression within the meaning of article 39 of the United Nation's Charter. 3. Threat of U.S. Intervention. In direct violation of the basic requirement of international law mandating the peaceful settlement of international disputes, the Reagan administration has implemented a foreign policy towards Central American that constitutes a great danger of escalation in military hostilities to the point of precipitating armed intervention by U.S. troops into combat against both the insurgents in El Salvador and the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 4. El Salvador. The Reagan administration's illegal intervention inot El Salvador's civil war contravenes the international legal right of self-determination of peoples as recognized by article 1(2) of the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has provided enormous amounts of military assistance to an oppressive regime that has used it to perpetrate a gross and consistent pattern of violations of the most fundamental human rights of the people of El Salvador. 5. Nicaragua. The Reagan administration's policy of organizing and participating in military operations by opposition contra groups for the purpose of overthrowing the legitimate government of Nicaragua violates the terms of both the UN and OAS. Charters prohibiting the threat or use of force against the political independence of a state. The Reagan administration has flouted its obligation to terminate immediately its support for the opposition contra groups in accordance with the Interim Order of Protection issued by the International Court of Justice on 10 May 1984. 6. The International Court of Justice. The Panel denounces the patently bogus attempt by the Reagan administration to withdraw from the compulsory jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in the suit brought against it by Nicaragua for the purpose of avoiding a peaceful settlement of this dispute by the World Court in order to pursue instead a policy based upon military intervention, lawless violence and destabilization of the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 7. Mining Nicaraguan Harbors. The Reagan administration's mining of Nicaraguan harbors violates the rules of international law set forth in the 1907 Hague Convention on the laying of Submarine Mines, to which both Nicaragua and the United States are parties. Conclusions and Judgment of Brussels Tribunal on Reagan's Foreign Policy (September 30, 1984) The International Conference on the Reagan administration's foreign policy convened in Brussels from 28-30 September, 1984 under the auspices of the International Progress Organization. Reports were submitted by international jurists and foreign policy specialists on the various aspects of the Reagan administration's foreign policy. Among the participants of the conference were Sean McBride (Nobel Laureate, Ireland), Prof. George Wald (Nobel Laureate, Harvard University), General Edgardo Mercado Jarrin (Peru), General Nino Pasti (former Deputy Supreme Commander of NATO) and Hortensia Bussi de Allende (Chile). The reports were presented before a panel of jurists consisting of Hon. Farouk Abu-Eissa (Sudan), attorney, former foreign minister, secretary-general of the Arab Lawyers Union; Prof. Francis A. Boyle (U.S.A.), professor of international law from the University of Illinois, Chairman; Dr. Hans Goeran Franck (Sweden), attorney, member of the Swedish Parliament; Hon. Mirza Gholam Hafiz (Bangladesh), former Speaker of the Bangladesh Parliament and currently a senior advocate of the Bangladesh Supreme Court; Hon. Mary M. Kaufman (U.S.A.), attorney-at-law, prosecuting attorney at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trial against I.G. Farben; Dr. Jean-Claude Njem (Cameroon), assistant-professor at the Faculty of Law, Uppsala University and a consultant of the government; Prof. Alberto Ruiz-Eldredge (Peru), professor of law, former president of the National Council of Justice; and Dr. Muemlaz Soysal (Turkey), professor of constitutional law, University of Ankara. An accusation against the international legality of the Reagan Administration's foreign policy was delivered by the Honorable Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General. The defense was presented by a legal expert of the Reagan Administration. Based upon all the reports and documents submitted and the arguments by the advocates, the Brussels Panel of Jurists hereby renders the following conclusions concerning the compatibility of the Reagan Administration's foreign policy with the requirements of international law. A. Introduction 1. General Introduction. The Reagan administration's foreign policy constitutes a gross violation of the fundamental principles of international law enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations Organization, as well as the basic rules of customary international law set forth in the UN General Assembly's Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention in the Domestic Affairs of States and the Protection of Their Independence and Sovereignty (1965), its Declaration on the Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation Among States in Accordance with the Charter of the United Nations (1970), and its Definition of Aggression (1974), among others. In addition, the Reagan administration is responsible for complicity in the commission of crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, war crimes and grave breaches of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions of 1949. B. Western Hemisphere 2. Grenada. The Reagan administration's 1983 invasion of Grenada was a clear-cut violation of the UN Charter articles 2(3), 2(4), and 33 as well as of articles 18, 20, and 21 of the Revised OAS Charter for which there was no valid excuse or justification under international law. As such, it constituted an act of aggression within the meaning of article 39 of the United Nation's Charter. 3. Threat of U.S. Intervention. In direct violation of the basic requirement of international law mandating the peaceful settlement of international disputes, the Reagan administration has implemented a foreign policy towards Central American that constitutes a great danger of escalation in military hostilities to the point of precipitating armed intervention by U.S. troops into combat against both the insurgents in El Salvador and the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 4. El Salvador. The Reagan administration's illegal intervention inot El Salvador's civil war contravenes the international legal right of self-determination of peoples as recognized by article 1(2) of the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has provided enormous amounts of military assistance to an oppressive regime that has used it to perpetrate a gross and consistent pattern of violations of the most fundamental human rights of the people of El Salvador. 5. Nicaragua. The Reagan administration's policy of organizing and participating in military operations by opposition contra groups for the purpose of overthrowing the legitimate government of Nicaragua violates the terms of both the UN and OAS. Charters prohibiting the threat or use of force against the political independence of a state. The Reagan administration has flouted its obligation to terminate immediately its support for the opposition contra groups in accordance with the Interim Order of Protection issued by the International Court of Justice on 10 May 1984. 6. The International Court of Justice. The Panel denounces the patently bogus attempt by the Reagan administration to withdraw from the compulsory jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in the suit brought against it by Nicaragua for the purpose of avoiding a peaceful settlement of this dispute by the World Court in order to pursue instead a policy based upon military intervention, lawless violence and destabilization of the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 7. Mining Nicaraguan Harbors. The Reagan administration's mining of Nicaraguan harbors violates the rules of international law set forth in the 1907 Hague Convention on the laying of Submarine Mines, to which both Nicaragua and the United States are parties. C. Nuclear Weapons Policies 8. Arms Control Treaties. The Reagan administration has refused to support the ratification of the Threshold Test Ban Treaty of 1974, the Peaceful Nuclear Explosions Treaty of 1976, and the SALT II Treaty of 1979. In addition to renouncing the longstanding objective of the U.S. government to renegotiate a comprehensive test ban treaty. As such the Reagan administration has failed to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament as required by article 6 of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1968. Similarly, the Reagan administration's "Strategic Defense Initiative" of 1983 threatens to breach the Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems Treaty of 1972. 9. Pershing 2 Missiles. The deployment of the offensive, first-strike, counterforce strategic nuclear weapons system known as the Pershing 2 missile in the Federal Republic of Germany violates the non-circumvention clause found in article 12 of the SALT II Treaty. The Reagan administration is bound to obey this prohibition pursuant to the rule of customary international law enunciated in article 18 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties to the effect that a signatory to a treaty is obliged to refrain from acts that would defeat the object and purpose of a treaty until it has made its intention clear not to become a party. 10. The MX Missile. The MX missile is an offensive, first-strike, counterforce, strategic nuclear weapons system that can serve no legitimate defensive purpose under UN Charter article 51 and the international laws of humanitarian armed conflict. 11. No-First-Use. In accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 1553 of 24 November 1961, the Panel denounces the refusal by the Reagan administration to adopt a policy mandating the no-first-use of nuclear weapons in the event of a conventional attack as required by the basic rule of international law dictating proportionality in the use of force even for the purposes of legitimate self-defense. 12. ASAT Treaty. The Panel calls upon both the United States and the Soviet Union to negotiate unconditionally over the conclusion of an anti-satellite weapons treaty. D. Middle East 13. Lebanon. For the part it played in the planning, preparation and initiation of the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, the Reagan administration has committed a crime against peace as defined by the Nuremberg Principles. Likewise, under the Nuremberg Principles, the Reagan administration becomes an accomplice to the crimes against humanity, war crimes and grave breaches of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions of 1949 that have been committed or condoned by Israel and its allied Phalange and Haddad militia forces in Lebanon. Such complicity includes the savage massacre of genocidal character of hundreds of innocent Palestinians and Lebanese civilians by organized unites of the Phalangist militia at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps located in West Beirut that were then subject to control by the occupying Israeli army. The Reagan administration has totally failed to discharge its obligation to obtain Israel's immediate and unconditional withdrawal from all parts of Lebanon as required by UN Security Council Resolutions 508 and 509 (1982), both of which are legally binding in Israel and the United States under UN Charter article 28. This includes Israeli evacuation of southern Lebanon. 14. The Palestinian Question. The Reagan administration's policy toward the Palestinian people as well as the Reagan "Peace Plan" of 1 September 1982 violates the international legal right of the Palestinian people to self-determination as recognized by UN Charter article 1(2). As recognized by numerous General Assembly resolutions, the Palestinian people have an international legal right to create and independent and sovereign state. The Palestinian Liberation Organization has been recognized as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people by both the United Nations General Assembly and the League of Arab States. The Reagan administration's nonrecognition of the PLO and its attempt to brand the PLO a "terrorist" group contravene the Palestinian people's right to liberation. The panel denounces the negative attitude of the Reagan Administration towards the call by the United Nations' Secretary General for the convocation of an international conference under the auspices of the United Nations, with the United States and the Soviet Union as co-chairmen, and with the participation of all parties involved in the conflict including the PLO, for the purpose of obtaining a just and lasting peace in the Middle East. 15. Israeli Settlements. The Reagan administration's declared position that Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories are "not illegal" is a violation of U.S. obligations under article 1 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 to ensure respect for the terms of the Convention (here article 49) by other High Contracting Parties such as Israel. 16. Libya. The Reagan administration's dispatch of the U.S. Sixth Fleet into the Gulf of Sidra for the purpose of precipitating armed conflict with the Libyan government constitutes a breach fo the peace under Article 39 of the UN Charter. The Reagan administration's policy to attempt to destabilize the government of Libya violates the terms of the United Nations Charter article 2(4) prohibiting the threat or use of force directed against the political independence of a state. E. Africa, Asia and the Indian Ocean 17. Apartheid. The Panel denounces the Reagan administration's so-called policy of "constructive engagement" toward the apartheid regime in South Africa. This specious policy encourages discrimination and oppression against the majority of the people of South Africa; it hampers effective action by the international community against apartheid and facilitates aggressive conduct by the South African apartheid regime against neighbor states in violation of the UN Charter. As such, the Reagan administration has become an accomplice to the commission of the international crime of apartheid as recognized by the universally accepted International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 1973. The Panel also denounces the cooperation between the Reagan administration and South Africa in military and nuclear matters. 18. Namibia. The Reagan administration has refused to carry out its obligations under Security Council Resolution 435 (1978) providing for the independence of Namibia, as required by article 25 of the UN Charter. The right of the Namibian people to self-determination had been firmly established under international law long before the outbreak of the Angolan civil war. The Reagan administration has no right to obstruct the achievement of Namibian independence by conditioning it or "linking" it to the withdrawal of Cuban troops from Angola in any way. Both the UN General Assembly and the Organization of African Unity have recognized SWAPI as the legitimate representative of the Namibian people and the Reagan administration is obligated to negotiate with it as such. 19. Angola. Cuban troops are in Angola at the request of the legitimate government of Angola in order to protect it from overt and covert aggression mounted by the South African apartheid regime from Namibia. There is absolutely no international legal justification for South African aggression against Angola in order to maintain and consolidate its reprehensible occupation of Namibia. The Angolan government has repeatedly stated that when South Africa leaves Namibia it will request the withdrawal of Cuban troops, and Cuba has agreed to withdraw its troops whenever so requested by Angola. According to the relevant rules of international law, that is the proper sequence of events to be followed. The Reagan administration's "linkage" of the presence of the Cuban troops in Angola with the independence of Namibia encourages South African aggression against Angola, and thus it must share in the responsibility for South Africa's genocidal acts against the people of Angola. 20. Indian Ocean. The Reagan administration's continued military occupation of the island of Diego Garcia violates the international right of self-determination of the people of Mauritius as recognized by the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has accelerated the rapid militarization of the U.S. naval base on Diego Garcia as part of its plan to create a jumping-off point for intervention by the Rapid Deployment Force into the Persian Gulf. As such the Reagan administration 's foreign policy towards the Indian Ocean has violated the terms of the UN General Assembly's Declaration of the Indian Ocean as a Zone of Peace (1971). F. Conclusion 21. United Nations Action. From the foregoing, it is clear that the Reagan administration has substituted force for the rule of international law in its conduct of foreign policy around the world. It has thus created a serious threat to the maintenance of international peace and security under article 39 of the United Nations Charter that calls for the imposition of enforcement measures by the UN Security Council under articles 41 and 42. In the event the Reagan administration exercises its veto power against the adoption of such measures by the Security Council, the matter should be turned over the to UN General assembly for action in accordance with the procedures set forth in the Uniting for Peace Resolution of 1950. In this way the Reagan administration's grievous international transgressions could be effectively opposed by all members of the world community in a manner consistent with the requirements of international law. Both the Security Council and the General Assembly should also take into account the numerous interventionist measures taken by the Reagan Administration, whether direct or indirect, seeking to impose financial and economic policies which are contrary to the sovereign independence of states, especially in the developing world, and which severely damage the quality of life for all peoples. Farouk Abu-Eissa Mary Kaufman Francis A. Boyle, Chairman Jean-Claude Njem Hans Goeran Franck Alberto Ruiz-Eldredge Mirza Gholam Hafiz Muemlaz Soysal Brussels, Belgium 30 September 1984. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (voice) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 6:33 AM To: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars In addition, back around 1985-86 San Francisco wanted to expand their proposed original Sanctuary Resolution to include refugees from Apartheid South Africa. They decided to have a debate on the matter and invited me out there to argue the case against apartheid South Africa. So I went out to UCAL Hastings Law School in San Francisco to debate a white racist law professor from Southern Methodist U Law School who had no problems with Apartheid South Africa. That was one of the easiest debates I ever won. Killer Koh was working for Reagan while Reagan was supporting the criminal apartheid regime in South Africa. Killer Koh had no problems with apartheid South Africa-just like the white racist law professor from SMU Law. Once again, I explained all this to this Nazi Law Faculty. They did not care. Obviously, they had no problems with the criminal apartheid regime in South Africa either. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 6:18 AM To: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars I want to thank Karen for her fine Letter. Just remember that Killer Koh went to work for Reagan from 1983 to 1985 justifying every hideous atrocity that Reagan was then inflicting on innocent people all around the world, including Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, setting off the humanitarian crisis that necessitated the original Sanctuary Movement that I served as Counsel to. I also served as Counsel to The Pledge of Resistance. I explained all this to this Nazi Faculty of Law. They did not care. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Sanctuary status response to wars Top of Form Bottom of Form Fri, 12/30/2016 - 10:35am | The News-Gazette In the 1980s, refugees from Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador were coming to the U.S. as a result of the American interventions in their nations, as a result of our "special forces" invading, torturing and murdering. In 1986, the Immigration and Naturalization Service granted political asylum to less than 3 percent of the hundreds of thousands of Salvadorans who applied, with over 4,800 refugees returned to El Salvador. At least 50 of those turned up on the lists of victims killed by security forces or death squads. Thousands of Guatemalans were tortured and/or murdered by security forces under government control. Thus a group of anti-war activists in Urbana initiated a "sanctuary city" resolution, in order to protect the undocumented nationals arriving here from those nations and in spite of opposition from the local Nazi Party and the local KKK. Despite a death threat if he showed up at the Urbana council, law Professor Francis Boyle argued on behalf of the resolution, and it passed. Again, in December 2016, Professor Boyle, minus death threats, showed up to argue on behalf of a "revised" resolution. Revised because now it needed to be "all inclusive," given our continuing wars and interventions, throughout the Middle East and North Africa. Many come here for economic reasons, but when a nation is destroyed, chaos ensues, leaving the infrastructure and businesses damaged, causing unemployment. For those concerned with obedience to federal "law," I suggest we look at our government who has been breaking our laws, with their continuing "crimes against humanity." KAREN ARAM Urbana Francis A. 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URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sun Jan 1 17:24:05 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 11:24:05 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Something About This Russia Story Stinks Message-ID: <004801d26453$da8ea3d0$8fabeb70$@comcast.net> Something About This Russia Story Stinks Nearly a decade and a half after the Iraq-WMD faceplant, the American press is again asked to co-sign a dubious intelligence assessment Description: http://img.wennermedia.com/article-leads-horizontal/putin-obama-russian-hack ing-9a4dced8-5545-4299-a469-0bfe5bf52519.jpgThe Obama administration announced this week that nearly three dozen Russian nationals will be expelled from the country. Pablo Martinez Monsivais/AP By Matt Taibbi 2 days ago In an extraordinary development Thursday, the Obama administration announced a series of sanctions against Russia. Thirty-five Russian nationals will be expelled from the country. President Obama issued a terse statement seeming to blame Russia for the hack of the Democratic National Committee emails. Related Description: http://img.wennermedia.com/featured-promo-551/rs-washington-post-6d9f914c-84 7b-4204-8761-7a24a54bfb42.jpg Taibbi: 'Washington Post' 'Blacklist' Story Is Shameful and Disgusting The capital's paper of record crashes legacy media on an iceberg "These data theft and disclosure activities could only have been directed by the highest levels of the Russian government," he wrote. Russia at first pledged, darkly, to retaliate, then backed off. The Russian press today is even reporting that Vladimir Putin is inviting "the children of American diplomats" to "visit the Christmas tree in the Kremlin," as characteristically loathsome/menacing/sarcastic a Putin response as you'll find. This dramatic story puts the news media in a jackpot. Absent independent verification, reporters will have to rely upon the secret assessments of intelligence agencies to cover the story at all. Many reporters I know are quietly freaking out about having to go through that again. We all remember the WMD fiasco. "It's déjà vu all over again" is how one friend put it. You can see awkwardness reflected in the headlines that flew around the Internet Thursday. Some news agencies seemed split on whether to unequivocally declare that Russian hacking took place, or whether to hedge bets and put it all on the government to make that declaration, using " Obama says" formulations. The New York Times was more aggressive, writing flatly, "Obama Strikes Back at Russia for Election Hacking." It backed up its story with a link to a joint FBI/Homeland Security report that details how Russian civilian and military intelligence services (termed "RIS" in the report) twice breached the defenses of "a U.S. political party," presumably the Democrats. This report is long on jargon but short on specifics. More than half of it is just a list of suggestions for preventive measures. At one point we learn that the code name the U.S. intelligence community has given to Russian cyber shenanigans is GRIZZLY STEPPE, a sexy enough detail. But we don't learn much at all about what led our government to determine a) that these hacks were directed by the Russian government, or b) they were undertaken with the aim of influencing the election, and in particular to help elect Donald Trump. The problem with this story is that, like the Iraq-WMD mess, it takes place in the middle of a highly politicized environment during which the motives of all the relevant actors are suspect. Nothing quite adds up. If the American security agencies had smoking-gun evidence that the Russians had an organized campaign to derail the U.S. presidential election and deliver the White House to Trump, then expelling a few dozen diplomats after the election seems like an oddly weak and ill-timed response. Voices in both parties are saying this now. Description: President Barack Obama speaks during a news conference in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House December 16, 2016 in Washington, DC. In what could be the last press conference of his presidency, afterwards Obama will be leaving for his annual family vacation in Hawaii."Not much happens in Russia without Vladimir Putin," President Obama said in a December 16th news conference while discussing Russian hacking allegations. The Asahi Shimbun/Getty Republican Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham noted the "small price" Russia paid for its "brazen attack." The Democratic National Committee, meanwhile, said Thursday that taken alone, the Obama response is " insufficient" as a response to "attacks on the United States by a foreign power." The "small price" is an eyebrow-raiser. Also, like the WMD story, there's an element of salesmanship the government is using to push the hacking narrative that should make reporters nervous. Take this line in Obama's statement about mistreatment of American diplomats in Moscow: "Moreover, our diplomats have experienced an unacceptable level of harassment in Moscow by Russian security services and police over the last year." This appears to refer to an incident this summer in which an American diplomat was beaten outside the diplomatic compound in Moscow. That followed a 2013 case in which a U.S. diplomat named Ryan Fogle was arrested in similar fashion. Fogle was unequivocally described as a CIA agent in many Russian reports. Photos of Fogle's shpionsky rekvisit, or spy kit – including wigs and a city map that were allegedly on his person – became the source of many jokes in the Russian press and social media. Similar to this hacking story here in the states, ordinary Russians seemed split on what to believe. If the Russians messed with an election, that's enough on its own to warrant a massive response – miles worse than heavy-handed responses to ordinary spying episodes. Obama mentioning these humdrum tradecraft skirmishes feels like he's throwing something in to bolster an otherwise thin case. Adding to the problem is that in the last months of the campaign, and also in the time since the election, we've seen an epidemic of factually loose, clearly politically motivated reporting about Russia. Democrat-leaning pundits have been unnervingly quick to use phrases like "Russia hacked the election." This has led to widespread confusion among news audiences over whether the Russians hacked the DNC emails (a story that has at least been backed by some evidence, even if it hasn't always been great evidence), or whether Russians hacked vote tallies in critical states (a far more outlandish tale backed by no credible evidence). As noted in The Intercept and other outlets, an Economist/YouGov poll conducted this month shows that 50 percent of all Clinton voters believe the Russians hacked vote tallies. This number is nearly as disturbing as the 62 percent of Trump voters who believe the preposterous, un-sourced Trump/Alex Jones contention that "millions" of undocumented immigrants voted in the election. Description: December 19, 2016 People protest against U.S. President-elect Donald Trump as electors gather to cast their votes for U.S. president at the Pennsylvania State Capitol in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, U.S. December 19, 2016. Pennsylvania's twenty electors are assumed to be committed to Trump by virtue of his having won the popular vote in the state, but the vote that is usually routine takes place this year amid allegations of Russian hacking to try to influence the election. A December 19th anti-Trump protest in Pennsylvania. Jonathan Ernst/Reuters Then there was the episode in which the Washington Post ran that breathless story about Russians aiding the spread of "fake news." That irresponsible story turned out to have been largely based on one highly dubious source called "PropOrNot" that identified 200 different American alternative media organizations as "useful idiots" of the Russian state. The Post eventually distanced itself from the story, saying it "does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot's findings." This was a very strange thing to say in a statement that isn't an outright retraction. The idea that it's OK to publish an allegation when you yourself are not confident in what your source is saying is a major departure from what was previously thought to be the norm in a paper like the Post. There have been other excesses. An interview with Julian Assange by an Italian newspaper has been bastardized in Western re-writes, with papers like The Guardian crediting Assange with "praise" of Trump and seemingly flattering comments about Russia that are not supported by the actual text. (The Guardian has now " amended" a number of the passages in the report in question). And reports by some Democrat-friendly reporters – like Kurt Eichenwald, who has birthed some real head-scratchers this year, including what he admitted was a baseless claim that Trump spent time in an institution in 1990 – have attempted to argue that Trump surrogates may have been liaising with the Russians because they either visited Russia or appeared on the RT network. Similar reporting about Russian scheming has been based entirely on unnamed security sources. Now we have this sanctions story, which presents a new conundrum. It appears that a large segment of the press is biting hard on the core allegations of electoral interference emanating from the Obama administration. Did the Russians do it? Very possibly, in which case it should be reported to the max. But the press right now is flying blind. Plowing ahead with credulous accounts is problematic because so many different feasible scenarios are in play. On one end of the spectrum, America could have just been the victim of a virtual coup d'etat engineered by a combination of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, which would be among the most serious things to ever happen to our democracy. But this could also just be a cynical ass-covering campaign, by a Democratic Party that has seemed keen to deflect attention from its own electoral failures. The outgoing Democrats could just be using an over-interpreted intelligence "assessment" to delegitimize the incoming Trump administration and force Trump into an embarrassing political situation: Does he ease up on Russia and look like a patsy, or escalate even further with a nuclear-armed power? It could also be something in between. Perhaps the FSB didn't commission the hack, but merely enabled it somehow. Or maybe the Russians did hack the DNC, but the WikiLeaks material actually came from someone else? There is even a published report to that effect, with a former British ambassador as a source, not that it's any more believable than anything else here. We just don't know, which is the problem. We ought to have learned from the Judith Miller episode. Not only do governments lie, they won't hesitate to burn news agencies. In a desperate moment, they'll use any sucker they can find to get a point across. I have no problem believing that Vladimir Putin tried to influence the American election. He's gangster-spook-scum of the lowest order and capable of anything. And Donald Trump, too, was swine enough during the campaign to publicly hope the Russians would disclose Hillary Clinton's emails. So a lot of this is very believable. But we've been burned before in stories like this, to disastrous effect. Which makes it surprising we're not trying harder to avoid getting fooled again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 41502 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 37064 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Post headline conveyed the seriousness of the threat: What’s the problem here? It did not happen. Description: https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/12/washposthe ad-1000x95.png The first sentence of the article directly linked this cyberattack to alleged Russian hacking of the email accounts of the DNC and John Podesta — what is now routinely referred to as “Russian hacking of our election” — by referencing the code name revealed on Wednesday by the Obama administration when it announced sanctions on Russian officials: “A code associated with the Russian hacking operation dubbed Grizzly Steppe by the Obama administration has been detected within the system of a Vermont utility, according to U.S. officials.” The Post article contained grave statements from Vermont officials of the type politicians love to issue after a terrorist attack to show they are tough and in control. The state’s Democratic governor, Peter Shumlin, said: Vermonters and all Americans should be both alarmed and outraged that one of the world’s leading thugs, Vladimir Putin, has been attempting to hack our electric grid, which we rely upon to support our quality of life, economy, health, and safety. This episode should highlight the urgent need for our federal government to vigorously pursue and put an end to this sort of Russian meddling. Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy issued a statement warning: “This is beyond hackers having electronic joy rides — this is now about trying to access utilities to potentially manipulate the grid and shut it down in the middle of winter. That is a direct threat to Vermont and we do not take it lightly.” The article went on and on in that vein, with all the standard tactics used by the U.S. media for such stories: quoting anonymous national security officials, reviewing past acts of Russian treachery, and drawing the scariest possible conclusions (“‘The question remains: Are they in other systems and what was the intent?’ a U.S. official said”). The media reactions, as Alex Pfeiffer documents, were exactly what one would expect: hysterical, alarmist proclamations of Putin’s menacing evil: Our Russian "friend" Putin attacked the U.S. power grid. https://t.co/iAneRgbuhF — Brent Staples (@BrentNYT) December 31, 2016 The Post’s story also predictably and very rapidly infected other large media outlets. Reuters thus told its readers around the world: “A malware code associated with Russian hackers has reportedly been detected within the system of a Vermont electric utility.” What’s the problem here? It did not happen. There was no “penetration of the U.S. electricity grid.” The truth was undramatic and banal. Burlington Electric, after receiving a Homeland Security notice sent to all U.S. utility companies about the malware code found in the DNC system, searched all its computers and found the code in a single laptop that was not connected to the electric grid. Apparently, the Post did not even bother to contact the company before running its wildly sensationalistic claims, so Burlington Electric had to issue its own statement to the Burlington Free Press, which debunked the Post’s central claim (emphasis in original): “We detected the malware in a single Burlington Electric Department laptop not connected to our organization’s grid systems.” So the key scary claim of the Post story — that Russian hackers had penetrated the U.S. electric grid — was false. All the alarmist tough-guy statements issued by political officials who believed the Post’s claim were based on fiction. Even worse, there is zero evidence that Russian hackers were even responsible for the implanting of this malware on this single laptop. The fact that malware is “Russian-made” does not mean that only Russians can use it; indeed, like a lot of malware, it can be purchased (as Jeffrey Carr has pointed out in the DNC hacking context, assuming that Russian-made malware must have been used by Russians is as irrational as finding a Russian-made Kalishnikov AKM rifle at a crime scene and assuming the killer must be Russian). As the actual truth emerged once the utility company issued its statement, the Post rushed to fix its embarrassment, beginning by dramatically changing its headline: Description: https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/12/posthead-5 40x137.png The headline is still absurd: They have no idea that this malware was placed by a “Russian operation” (though they would likely justify that by pointing out that they are just stenographically passing along what “officials say”). Moreover, nobody knows when this malware was put on this laptop, how, or by whom. But whatever else is true, the key claim — “Russian hackers penetrated U.S. electricity grid” — has now been replaced by the claim that this all shows “risk to U.S. electrical grid.” As journalists realized what did — and did not — actually happen here, the reaction was swift: This matters not only because one of the nation’s major newspapers once again published a wildly misleading, fearmongering story about Russia. It matters even more because it reflects the deeply irrational and ever-spiraling fever that is being cultivated in U.S. political discourse and culture about the threat posed by Moscow. The Post has many excellent reporters and smart editors. They have produced many great stories this year. But this kind of blatantly irresponsible and sensationalist tabloid behavior — which tracks what they did when promoting that grotesque PropOrNot blacklist of U.S. news outlets accused of being Kremlin tools — is a byproduct of the Anything Goes mentality that now shapes mainstream discussion of Russia, Putin, and the Grave Threat to All Things Decent in America that they pose. The level of groupthink, fearmongering, coercive peer pressure, and über-nationalism has not been seen since the halcyon days of 2002 and 2003. Indeed, the very same people who back then smeared anyone questioning official claims as Saddam sympathizers or stooges and left-wing un-American loons are back for their sequel, accusing anyone who expresses any skepticism toward claims about Russia of being Putin sympathizers and Kremlin operatives and stooges. But it’s all severely exacerbated by social media in ways that we don’t yet fully understand. A large percentage of journalists sit on Twitter all day. It’s their primary window into the world. Because of how intense and raw the emotions still are from Trump’s defeat of Clinton, the social media benefits from tweeting and publishing unhinged claims about Trump and Putin are immense and immediate: thousands upon thousands of re-tweets, a rapidly building follower count, and huge amounts of traffic. Indeed, the more unhinged it is, the greater the benefits are (see some of the most extreme examples here). That’s how otherwise rational people keep getting tricked into posting and re-tweeting and sharing extremely dubious stories that turn out to be false. And that’s to say nothing of the non-utilitarian social pressures. It’s not news that coastal elites — particularly media and political figures — were and are virtually unified in their unbridled contempt for Trump. And we have seen over and over that any time there is a new Prime Foreign Villain consecrated — now Putin — U.S. media figures lead the campaign. As a result, any denunciation or accusation toward Trump or Russia, no matter how divorced from reason or devoid of facts, generates instant praise, while any questioning of it prompts instant peer-group denunciation, or worse. Few things are more dangerous to the journalistic function than groupthink, and few instruments have been invented that foster and reinforce groupthink like social media, particularly Twitter, the platform most used by journalists. That’s a phenomenon that merits far more study, but examples like this one highlight the dynamic. In this case, the effect is a constant ratcheting up of tensions between two nuclear-armed powers whose nuclear systems are still on hair-trigger alert and capable of catastrophic responses based on misunderstanding and misperception. Democrats and their media allies are rightly alarmed about the potential dangers of Trump’s bellicose posture toward China, but remarkably and recklessly indifferent to the dangers of what they themselves are doing here. * * * * * Those interested in a sober and rational discussion of the Russia hacking issue should read the following: (1) Three posts by cybersecurity expert Jeffrey Carr: first, on the difficulty of proving attribution for any hacks; second, on the irrational claims on which the “Russia hacked the DNC” case is predicated; and third, on the woefully inadequate, evidence-free report issued by the Department of Homeland Security and FBI this week to justify sanctions against Russia. (2) Yesterday’s Rolling Stone article by Matt Taibbi, who lived and worked for more than a decade in Russia, titled: “Something About This Russia Story Stinks.” (3) An Atlantic article by David A. Graham on the politics and strategies of the sanctions imposed this week on Russia by Obama; I disagree with several of his claims, but the article is a rarity: a calm, sober, rational assessment of this debate. Since it is so often distorted, permit me once again to underscore my own view on the broader Russia issue: Of course it is possible that Russia is responsible for these hacks, as this is perfectly consistent with (and far more mild than) what both Russia and the U.S. have done repeatedly for decades. But given the stakes involved, along with the incentives for error and/or deceit, no rational person should be willing to embrace these accusations as Truth unless and until convincing evidence has been publicly presented for review, which most certainly has not yet happened. As the above articles demonstrate, this week’s proffered “evidence” — the U.S. government’s evidence-free report — should raise rather than dilute suspicions. It’s hard to understand how this desire for convincing evidence before acceptance of official claims could even be controversial, particularly among journalists. UPDATE: Just as The Guardian had to do just two days ago regarding its claim about WikiLeaks and Putin, the Washington Post has now added an editor’s note to its story acknowledging that its key claim was false: Description: https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/12/editorsnot e-540x81.png Is it not very clear that journalistic standards are being casually dispensed with when the subject is Russia? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1012 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Despite a death threat if he showed up at the Urbana council, law Professor Francis Boyle argued on behalf of the resolution, and it passed." Yeah, it was the American Nazi Party that publicly threatened to kill me if I showed up that night to argue the case for Urbana's Original Sanctuary Resolution. So I know Nazis when I see them: The Pro-Killers Koh&Clinton University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 9:10 AM To: 'C. G. Estabrook' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'davidcnswanson at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Jay' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'Peace at lists.chambana.net' Subject: RE: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars v Illinois Nazi Law School If you are interested in reading the legal arguments I used to defend those arrested and prosecuted for opposing Reagan et al including Killer Koh for every hideous atrocity they inflicted on innocent people all over the world, they are set forth in my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law (Transnational Publishers Inc. 1987). This Nazi Law Faculty could not care less when they invited Killer Koh to come out here and Campaign for Killer Clinton on October 28, 2016. Let them all be relegated to the proverbial Ashcan of History! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law by Francis A. Boyle Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law. These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others. He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East. Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom. This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities. The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law. Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking. A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense. The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action. Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest. At this low price, this volume should be on the shelf of every person interested in civil resistance or international law. Francis A. Boyle Law Building Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 7:36 AM To: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars v Illinois Nazi Law School While Killer Koh was working for Reagan in 1984, justifying every hideous atrocity Reagan was then inflicting upon innocent people all over the world, I did the first draft of this Judgement against Reagan et al on the basis of the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles, and then negotiated out the final text with the approval of my Colleagues, one of whom was my Friend Mary Kaufman, Esq. who prosecuted IG Farben at Nuremberg-RIP. I circulated this Judgement to this Nazi Faculty of Law against their inviting Killer Koh and emphasized the importance of Mary signing it. They did not care! They are all just of Gang of Nazis! Not fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" B. Western Hemisphere 2. Grenada. The Reagan administration's 1983 invasion of Grenada was a clear-cut violation of the UN Charter articles 2(3), 2(4), and 33 as well as of articles 18, 20, and 21 of the Revised OAS Charter for which there was no valid excuse or justification under international law. As such, it constituted an act of aggression within the meaning of article 39 of the United Nation's Charter. 3. Threat of U.S. Intervention. In direct violation of the basic requirement of international law mandating the peaceful settlement of international disputes, the Reagan administration has implemented a foreign policy towards Central American that constitutes a great danger of escalation in military hostilities to the point of precipitating armed intervention by U.S. troops into combat against both the insurgents in El Salvador and the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 4. El Salvador. The Reagan administration's illegal intervention inot El Salvador's civil war contravenes the international legal right of self-determination of peoples as recognized by article 1(2) of the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has provided enormous amounts of military assistance to an oppressive regime that has used it to perpetrate a gross and consistent pattern of violations of the most fundamental human rights of the people of El Salvador. 5. Nicaragua. The Reagan administration's policy of organizing and participating in military operations by opposition contra groups for the purpose of overthrowing the legitimate government of Nicaragua violates the terms of both the UN and OAS. Charters prohibiting the threat or use of force against the political independence of a state. The Reagan administration has flouted its obligation to terminate immediately its support for the opposition contra groups in accordance with the Interim Order of Protection issued by the International Court of Justice on 10 May 1984. 6. The International Court of Justice. The Panel denounces the patently bogus attempt by the Reagan administration to withdraw from the compulsory jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in the suit brought against it by Nicaragua for the purpose of avoiding a peaceful settlement of this dispute by the World Court in order to pursue instead a policy based upon military intervention, lawless violence and destabilization of the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 7. Mining Nicaraguan Harbors. The Reagan administration's mining of Nicaraguan harbors violates the rules of international law set forth in the 1907 Hague Convention on the laying of Submarine Mines, to which both Nicaragua and the United States are parties. Conclusions and Judgment of Brussels Tribunal on Reagan's Foreign Policy (September 30, 1984) The International Conference on the Reagan administration's foreign policy convened in Brussels from 28-30 September, 1984 under the auspices of the International Progress Organization. Reports were submitted by international jurists and foreign policy specialists on the various aspects of the Reagan administration's foreign policy. Among the participants of the conference were Sean McBride (Nobel Laureate, Ireland), Prof. George Wald (Nobel Laureate, Harvard University), General Edgardo Mercado Jarrin (Peru), General Nino Pasti (former Deputy Supreme Commander of NATO) and Hortensia Bussi de Allende (Chile). The reports were presented before a panel of jurists consisting of Hon. Farouk Abu-Eissa (Sudan), attorney, former foreign minister, secretary-general of the Arab Lawyers Union; Prof. Francis A. Boyle (U.S.A.), professor of international law from the University of Illinois, Chairman; Dr. Hans Goeran Franck (Sweden), attorney, member of the Swedish Parliament; Hon. Mirza Gholam Hafiz (Bangladesh), former Speaker of the Bangladesh Parliament and currently a senior advocate of the Bangladesh Supreme Court; Hon. Mary M. Kaufman (U.S.A.), attorney-at-law, prosecuting attorney at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trial against I.G. Farben; Dr. Jean-Claude Njem (Cameroon), assistant-professor at the Faculty of Law, Uppsala University and a consultant of the government; Prof. Alberto Ruiz-Eldredge (Peru), professor of law, former president of the National Council of Justice; and Dr. Muemlaz Soysal (Turkey), professor of constitutional law, University of Ankara. An accusation against the international legality of the Reagan Administration's foreign policy was delivered by the Honorable Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General. The defense was presented by a legal expert of the Reagan Administration. Based upon all the reports and documents submitted and the arguments by the advocates, the Brussels Panel of Jurists hereby renders the following conclusions concerning the compatibility of the Reagan Administration's foreign policy with the requirements of international law. A. Introduction 1. General Introduction. The Reagan administration's foreign policy constitutes a gross violation of the fundamental principles of international law enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations Organization, as well as the basic rules of customary international law set forth in the UN General Assembly's Declaration on the Inadmissibility of Intervention in the Domestic Affairs of States and the Protection of Their Independence and Sovereignty (1965), its Declaration on the Principles of International Law Concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation Among States in Accordance with the Charter of the United Nations (1970), and its Definition of Aggression (1974), among others. In addition, the Reagan administration is responsible for complicity in the commission of crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, war crimes and grave breaches of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions of 1949. B. Western Hemisphere 2. Grenada. The Reagan administration's 1983 invasion of Grenada was a clear-cut violation of the UN Charter articles 2(3), 2(4), and 33 as well as of articles 18, 20, and 21 of the Revised OAS Charter for which there was no valid excuse or justification under international law. As such, it constituted an act of aggression within the meaning of article 39 of the United Nation's Charter. 3. Threat of U.S. Intervention. In direct violation of the basic requirement of international law mandating the peaceful settlement of international disputes, the Reagan administration has implemented a foreign policy towards Central American that constitutes a great danger of escalation in military hostilities to the point of precipitating armed intervention by U.S. troops into combat against both the insurgents in El Salvador and the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 4. El Salvador. The Reagan administration's illegal intervention inot El Salvador's civil war contravenes the international legal right of self-determination of peoples as recognized by article 1(2) of the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has provided enormous amounts of military assistance to an oppressive regime that has used it to perpetrate a gross and consistent pattern of violations of the most fundamental human rights of the people of El Salvador. 5. Nicaragua. The Reagan administration's policy of organizing and participating in military operations by opposition contra groups for the purpose of overthrowing the legitimate government of Nicaragua violates the terms of both the UN and OAS. Charters prohibiting the threat or use of force against the political independence of a state. The Reagan administration has flouted its obligation to terminate immediately its support for the opposition contra groups in accordance with the Interim Order of Protection issued by the International Court of Justice on 10 May 1984. 6. The International Court of Justice. The Panel denounces the patently bogus attempt by the Reagan administration to withdraw from the compulsory jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice in the suit brought against it by Nicaragua for the purpose of avoiding a peaceful settlement of this dispute by the World Court in order to pursue instead a policy based upon military intervention, lawless violence and destabilization of the legitimate government of Nicaragua. 7. Mining Nicaraguan Harbors. The Reagan administration's mining of Nicaraguan harbors violates the rules of international law set forth in the 1907 Hague Convention on the laying of Submarine Mines, to which both Nicaragua and the United States are parties. C. Nuclear Weapons Policies 8. Arms Control Treaties. The Reagan administration has refused to support the ratification of the Threshold Test Ban Treaty of 1974, the Peaceful Nuclear Explosions Treaty of 1976, and the SALT II Treaty of 1979. In addition to renouncing the longstanding objective of the U.S. government to renegotiate a comprehensive test ban treaty. As such the Reagan administration has failed to pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament as required by article 6 of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1968. Similarly, the Reagan administration's "Strategic Defense Initiative" of 1983 threatens to breach the Anti-Ballistic Missile Systems Treaty of 1972. 9. Pershing 2 Missiles. The deployment of the offensive, first-strike, counterforce strategic nuclear weapons system known as the Pershing 2 missile in the Federal Republic of Germany violates the non-circumvention clause found in article 12 of the SALT II Treaty. The Reagan administration is bound to obey this prohibition pursuant to the rule of customary international law enunciated in article 18 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties to the effect that a signatory to a treaty is obliged to refrain from acts that would defeat the object and purpose of a treaty until it has made its intention clear not to become a party. 10. The MX Missile. The MX missile is an offensive, first-strike, counterforce, strategic nuclear weapons system that can serve no legitimate defensive purpose under UN Charter article 51 and the international laws of humanitarian armed conflict. 11. No-First-Use. In accordance with UN General Assembly Resolution 1553 of 24 November 1961, the Panel denounces the refusal by the Reagan administration to adopt a policy mandating the no-first-use of nuclear weapons in the event of a conventional attack as required by the basic rule of international law dictating proportionality in the use of force even for the purposes of legitimate self-defense. 12. ASAT Treaty. The Panel calls upon both the United States and the Soviet Union to negotiate unconditionally over the conclusion of an anti-satellite weapons treaty. D. Middle East 13. Lebanon. For the part it played in the planning, preparation and initiation of the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon, the Reagan administration has committed a crime against peace as defined by the Nuremberg Principles. Likewise, under the Nuremberg Principles, the Reagan administration becomes an accomplice to the crimes against humanity, war crimes and grave breaches of the Third and Fourth Geneva Conventions of 1949 that have been committed or condoned by Israel and its allied Phalange and Haddad militia forces in Lebanon. Such complicity includes the savage massacre of genocidal character of hundreds of innocent Palestinians and Lebanese civilians by organized unites of the Phalangist militia at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps located in West Beirut that were then subject to control by the occupying Israeli army. The Reagan administration has totally failed to discharge its obligation to obtain Israel's immediate and unconditional withdrawal from all parts of Lebanon as required by UN Security Council Resolutions 508 and 509 (1982), both of which are legally binding in Israel and the United States under UN Charter article 28. This includes Israeli evacuation of southern Lebanon. 14. The Palestinian Question. The Reagan administration's policy toward the Palestinian people as well as the Reagan "Peace Plan" of 1 September 1982 violates the international legal right of the Palestinian people to self-determination as recognized by UN Charter article 1(2). As recognized by numerous General Assembly resolutions, the Palestinian people have an international legal right to create and independent and sovereign state. The Palestinian Liberation Organization has been recognized as the legitimate representative of the Palestinian people by both the United Nations General Assembly and the League of Arab States. The Reagan administration's nonrecognition of the PLO and its attempt to brand the PLO a "terrorist" group contravene the Palestinian people's right to liberation. The panel denounces the negative attitude of the Reagan Administration towards the call by the United Nations' Secretary General for the convocation of an international conference under the auspices of the United Nations, with the United States and the Soviet Union as co-chairmen, and with the participation of all parties involved in the conflict including the PLO, for the purpose of obtaining a just and lasting peace in the Middle East. 15. Israeli Settlements. The Reagan administration's declared position that Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories are "not illegal" is a violation of U.S. obligations under article 1 of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 to ensure respect for the terms of the Convention (here article 49) by other High Contracting Parties such as Israel. 16. Libya. The Reagan administration's dispatch of the U.S. Sixth Fleet into the Gulf of Sidra for the purpose of precipitating armed conflict with the Libyan government constitutes a breach fo the peace under Article 39 of the UN Charter. The Reagan administration's policy to attempt to destabilize the government of Libya violates the terms of the United Nations Charter article 2(4) prohibiting the threat or use of force directed against the political independence of a state. E. Africa, Asia and the Indian Ocean 17. Apartheid. The Panel denounces the Reagan administration's so-called policy of "constructive engagement" toward the apartheid regime in South Africa. This specious policy encourages discrimination and oppression against the majority of the people of South Africa; it hampers effective action by the international community against apartheid and facilitates aggressive conduct by the South African apartheid regime against neighbor states in violation of the UN Charter. As such, the Reagan administration has become an accomplice to the commission of the international crime of apartheid as recognized by the universally accepted International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 1973. The Panel also denounces the cooperation between the Reagan administration and South Africa in military and nuclear matters. 18. Namibia. The Reagan administration has refused to carry out its obligations under Security Council Resolution 435 (1978) providing for the independence of Namibia, as required by article 25 of the UN Charter. The right of the Namibian people to self-determination had been firmly established under international law long before the outbreak of the Angolan civil war. The Reagan administration has no right to obstruct the achievement of Namibian independence by conditioning it or "linking" it to the withdrawal of Cuban troops from Angola in any way. Both the UN General Assembly and the Organization of African Unity have recognized SWAPI as the legitimate representative of the Namibian people and the Reagan administration is obligated to negotiate with it as such. 19. Angola. Cuban troops are in Angola at the request of the legitimate government of Angola in order to protect it from overt and covert aggression mounted by the South African apartheid regime from Namibia. There is absolutely no international legal justification for South African aggression against Angola in order to maintain and consolidate its reprehensible occupation of Namibia. The Angolan government has repeatedly stated that when South Africa leaves Namibia it will request the withdrawal of Cuban troops, and Cuba has agreed to withdraw its troops whenever so requested by Angola. According to the relevant rules of international law, that is the proper sequence of events to be followed. The Reagan administration's "linkage" of the presence of the Cuban troops in Angola with the independence of Namibia encourages South African aggression against Angola, and thus it must share in the responsibility for South Africa's genocidal acts against the people of Angola. 20. Indian Ocean. The Reagan administration's continued military occupation of the island of Diego Garcia violates the international right of self-determination of the people of Mauritius as recognized by the United Nations Charter. The Reagan administration has accelerated the rapid militarization of the U.S. naval base on Diego Garcia as part of its plan to create a jumping-off point for intervention by the Rapid Deployment Force into the Persian Gulf. As such the Reagan administration 's foreign policy towards the Indian Ocean has violated the terms of the UN General Assembly's Declaration of the Indian Ocean as a Zone of Peace (1971). F. Conclusion 21. United Nations Action. From the foregoing, it is clear that the Reagan administration has substituted force for the rule of international law in its conduct of foreign policy around the world. It has thus created a serious threat to the maintenance of international peace and security under article 39 of the United Nations Charter that calls for the imposition of enforcement measures by the UN Security Council under articles 41 and 42. In the event the Reagan administration exercises its veto power against the adoption of such measures by the Security Council, the matter should be turned over the to UN General assembly for action in accordance with the procedures set forth in the Uniting for Peace Resolution of 1950. In this way the Reagan administration's grievous international transgressions could be effectively opposed by all members of the world community in a manner consistent with the requirements of international law. Both the Security Council and the General Assembly should also take into account the numerous interventionist measures taken by the Reagan Administration, whether direct or indirect, seeking to impose financial and economic policies which are contrary to the sovereign independence of states, especially in the developing world, and which severely damage the quality of life for all peoples. Farouk Abu-Eissa Mary Kaufman Francis A. Boyle, Chairman Jean-Claude Njem Hans Goeran Franck Alberto Ruiz-Eldredge Mirza Gholam Hafiz Muemlaz Soysal Brussels, Belgium 30 September 1984. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (voice) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 6:33 AM To: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars In addition, back around 1985-86 San Francisco wanted to expand their proposed original Sanctuary Resolution to include refugees from Apartheid South Africa. They decided to have a debate on the matter and invited me out there to argue the case against apartheid South Africa. So I went out to UCAL Hastings Law School in San Francisco to debate a white racist law professor from Southern Methodist U Law School who had no problems with Apartheid South Africa. That was one of the easiest debates I ever won. Killer Koh was working for Reagan while Reagan was supporting the criminal apartheid regime in South Africa. Killer Koh had no problems with apartheid South Africa-just like the white racist law professor from SMU Law. Once again, I explained all this to this Nazi Law Faculty. They did not care. Obviously, they had no problems with the criminal apartheid regime in South Africa either. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 6:18 AM To: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; davidcnswanson at gmail.com; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Sanctuary Status Response to Wars I want to thank Karen for her fine Letter. Just remember that Killer Koh went to work for Reagan from 1983 to 1985 justifying every hideous atrocity that Reagan was then inflicting on innocent people all around the world, including Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, setting off the humanitarian crisis that necessitated the original Sanctuary Movement that I served as Counsel to. I also served as Counsel to The Pledge of Resistance. I explained all this to this Nazi Faculty of Law. They did not care. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Sanctuary status response to wars Top of Form Bottom of Form Fri, 12/30/2016 - 10:35am | The News-Gazette In the 1980s, refugees from Guatemala, Nicaragua and El Salvador were coming to the U.S. as a result of the American interventions in their nations, as a result of our "special forces" invading, torturing and murdering. In 1986, the Immigration and Naturalization Service granted political asylum to less than 3 percent of the hundreds of thousands of Salvadorans who applied, with over 4,800 refugees returned to El Salvador. At least 50 of those turned up on the lists of victims killed by security forces or death squads. Thousands of Guatemalans were tortured and/or murdered by security forces under government control. Thus a group of anti-war activists in Urbana initiated a "sanctuary city" resolution, in order to protect the undocumented nationals arriving here from those nations and in spite of opposition from the local Nazi Party and the local KKK. Despite a death threat if he showed up at the Urbana council, law Professor Francis Boyle argued on behalf of the resolution, and it passed. Again, in December 2016, Professor Boyle, minus death threats, showed up to argue on behalf of a "revised" resolution. Revised because now it needed to be "all inclusive," given our continuing wars and interventions, throughout the Middle East and North Africa. Many come here for economic reasons, but when a nation is destroyed, chaos ensues, leaving the infrastructure and businesses damaged, causing unemployment. For those concerned with obedience to federal "law," I suggest we look at our government who has been breaking our laws, with their continuing "crimes against humanity." KAREN ARAM Urbana Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sun Jan 1 20:16:48 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 14:16:48 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Zapatistas Celebrate 23 Years of Resistance, Forge New Strategy Message-ID: <008d01d2646b$fbbe80d0$f33b8270$@comcast.net> News > Latin America Zapatistas Celebrate 23 Years of Resistance, Forge New Strategy * Description: The Zapatista National Liberation Army launched its armed struggle declaring war on the Mexican state on Jan. 1, 1994. The Zapatista National Liberation Army launched its armed struggle declaring war on the Mexican state on Jan. 1, 1994. | Photo: teleSUR / Road to Resistance The Zapatistas have announced plans to put forward an Indigenous woman candidate for Mexico's 2018 presidential elections, marking a break in strategy. The Zapatistas marked 23 years Sunday of their iconic uprising against the Mexican state that has inspired social movements around the globe as a leading example of autonomous organizing and Indigenous resistance. OPINION: The Zapatistas Are Building The World We Ask For The Zapatista National Liberation Army, known as the EZLN, commemorated the anniversary with a private ceremony in Oventic, in the southern Mexican state of Chiapas. The event was closed to the press and people outside the Zapatista community. The celebration also marked the 20th anniversary National Indigenous Congress, an initiative the Zapatistas first launched as a rallying cry in the early years after the movement emerged to bring together Indigenous peoples from Mexico and other countries to advance their struggles through solidarity. On Sunday, the EZLN was also expected to announce its presidential candidate for the 2018 elections - which the movement has already indicated will be an Indigenous woman - after a process of community consultation. The decision to put forward a candidate for the next election marks a break with more than two decades of Zapatista strategy of rejecting the Mexican state and electoral politics. In a recent statement, Zapatista Subcomandante Galeano, formerly known as Subcomandante Marcos, reflected on the EZLN commitment to "fight to build freedom," saying it was a mission that the community agreed to work toward collectively with the participation of all. RELATED: Road to Resistance: Zapatistas Fight for a World Where Many Fit "We agreed that, if it wasn't possible to do it in this world, then we would make another world, a bigger, better one where all the possible worlds fit," he wrote. "The ones that already exist and the ones that we haven't yet imagined." The EZLN declared war against the Mexican state on January 1, 1994, launching the Indigenous movement in Mexico's southern state of Chiapas into the international spotlight as an example for autonomous social movements around the globe. The movement has seen victories, but also considerable challenges, including intense repression and criminalization of the struggle at the hands of the state, private landowners, and paramilitary forces. But despite the hurdles, over two decades after the masked Indigenous army emerged from Chiapas' Lacandon jungle and announced its resistance to the Mexico and to the world, the EZLN struggle continues as an ongoing road to self-determination and new alternatives to global capitalism. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 64694 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Sun Jan 1 22:39:57 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 22:39:57 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Syria discussion Message-ID: <6F93E655-68B0-4903-A495-B8E241E05719@illinois.edu> By Indian commentators, on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvImYONSuPo Quite enlightening! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 00:53:12 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 00:53:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Syria discussion In-Reply-To: <6F93E655-68B0-4903-A495-B8E241E05719@illinois.edu> References: <6F93E655-68B0-4903-A495-B8E241E05719@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Excellent, quite interesting given that India is to the US, at least in Asia, what Germany is to the US in Europe. Both Carl and I have been saying what the people on the panel have been saying, I certainly have, I shouldn’t speak for Carl, so I will leave it to him to comment. On Jan 1, 2017, at 14:39, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: By Indian commentators, on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvImYONSuPo Quite enlightening! _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 2 14:41:20 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 14:41:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: ActionGreens at yahoogroups.com [mailto:ActionGreens at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Boyle, Francis A' fboyle at illinois.edu [ActionGreens] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 8:29 AM To: Action Greens Subject: [ActionGreens] CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" There is a nice little article working its way around the net about the return of civil "disobedience" under Trump. BALONEY! We are engaged in CIVIL RESISTANCE! How can we possibly "disobey" Trump? Fab. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law by Francis A. Boyle Since the Reagan administration's ascent to power in 1981, thousands of American citizens have engaged in various forms of non-violent civil resistance activities in order to protest against distinct elements of U.S. foreign policy that violate basic principles of international law. These citizen protests have led to numerous arrests and prosecutions by federal, state, and local governments around the country. The author has given advice, counsel and assistance to individuals and groups who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance directed against several aspects of the U.S. government's foreign policy: the Nuclear Freeze Movement, the Sanctuary Movement, the Anti-Apartheid Movement, the Plowshares, and the Pledge of Resistance, among others. He has also participated in the defense of individuals who are not part of formal movements but nevertheless resorted to non-violent civil resistance to protest the U.S. government's policies on nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East. Because of these experiences, he drew up a set of rules and materials for criminal defense attorneys who seek to defend those who have engaged in acts of non-violent civil resistance by utilizing considerations of international law in the courtroom. This book should be of interest to all those who are members of these movements, or who are contemplating joining them, in order to inform themselves on the best legal arguments in defense of such activities. The book contains extensive materials analyzing the illegality of the U.S. government's foreign policies toward nuclear weapons, Central America, Southern Africa, and the Middle East in a manner that can be readily comprehended and used by non-experts as well. Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law When you "step across the line" at the Nevada Test Site, at a military base or at your local federal building, you are probably protected by International Law. Our treaties (like the Partial Test Ban Treaty) and the Nuremburg Principles provide you with a legal defense against arrest and imprisonment when you commit acts of "civil resistance" against our government's illegal warmaking. A number of juries have returned "not guilty" verdicts after hearing this defense. The presentation of this defense allows you to educate the jurors, the judge and the prosecutors--maximizing the impact of your action. Dr. Francis Boyle's landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not only give you your best chance to avoid jail, but can also advance the cause for which you risked arrest. At this low price, this volume should be on the shelf of every person interested in civil resistance or international law. Francis A. Boyle Law Building Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) __._,_.___ ________________________________ Posted by: "Boyle, Francis A" > ________________________________ Reply via web post * Reply to sender * Reply to group * Start a New Topic * Messages in this topic (1) ________________________________ [https://s.yimg.com/ru/static/images/yg/img/megaphone/1464031581_phpFA8bON] Have you tried the highest rated email app? With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. ________________________________ Visit Your Group [Yahoo! Groups] * Privacy * Unsubscribe * Terms of Use . __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidcnswanson at gmail.com Mon Jan 2 16:01:17 2017 From: davidcnswanson at gmail.com (David Swanson) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 11:01:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fantasies About Russia Could Doom Opposition to Trump By David Swanson http://davidswanson.org/node/5399 To many Democrats for whom killing a million people in Iraq just didn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense, and who considered Obama's bombing of eight nations and the creation of the drone murder program to be praiseworthy, Trump will be impeachable on Day 1. Indeed Trump should be impeached on Day 1, but the same Democrats who found the one nominee who could lose to Trump will find the one argument for impeachment that can explode in their own faces. Here's a "progressive" Democrat: "In his dalliance with Vladimir Putin, Trump’s actions are skirting treason. ... By undermining further investigation or sanctions against the Russian manipulation of the 2016 election, Trump as president would be giving aid and comfort to Russian interference with American democracy." There's a bit of a nod there -- in the word "investigations" -- to the lack of any evidence that Russia manipulated any U.S. election, yet that manipulation is stated as fact, and a failure to support further sanctions as punishment for it becomes "aid and comfort." What level of punishment exactly constitutes the absence of aid and comfort? And how does that level of punishment compare with the level likely to produce war or nuclear holocaust? Who knows. Failure to sufficiently punish a foreign government, even for an actual proven offense, has never been a high crime and misdemeanor. The United States is in fact bound by the Hague Convention of 1899, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter to take any such dispute to arbitration and to settle it by pacific means. But that would require producing some evidence rather than mere allegations. Lawless "punishment" is much easier. But further evidence can emerge to counter the claim. The lack of evidence for the claim can weigh ever more heavily on public opinion. And the dangers of creating further hostility with Russia can enter the consciousness of additional people. Meanwhile, we have a man planning to be president later this month whose business dealings clearly violate the U.S. Constitution in terms of not only foreign but also domestic corruption. That's a perfectly overwhelming case for impeachment and removal from office that doesn't require opposing a single incident of mass murder or offending a single Pentagon contractor. Beyond that, Trump is becoming president after election day intimidation, the partisan-based removal of voters from the rolls, and opposition to attempting to count paper ballots where they existed. He's arriving with the stated policies of unconstitutionally discriminating against Muslims, murdering families, stealing oil, torturing, and proliferating nuclear weapons. In other words, Donald Trump will be from Day 1 an impeachable president, and Democrats will have already spent months building their campaign around the one thing that won't work. Imagine what will happen after all their hearings and press conferences, when their supporters find out that they aren't even accusing Vladimir Putin of hacking into election machines, that in fact they are accusing unknown individuals of hacking into Democrats' emails, and that they are then vaguely speculating that those individuals could have been sources for WikiLeaks, thereby informing the U.S. public of what was quite obvious and ought to have been widely reported for the good of the U.S. government, namely that the DNC rigged its primary. By the time the Democrats beat themselves to the floor with this charade, more facts will likely have come out regarding WikiLeaks' actual source(s), and more hostility will likely have been stirred up with Russia. The war hawks have already got Trump talking up nuclear escalation. Luckily there is an ace in the hole. There is something else that Democrats will be eager to hold Trump accountable for. And give Trump a month and he'll produce it. I'm referring, of course, to that greatest fear of Our Beloved Founding Fathers, the ultimate high crime and misdemeanor: the presidential sex scandal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 2 16:08:04 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 16:08:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Failure to sufficiently punish a foreign government, even for an actual proven offense, has never been a high crime and misdemeanor. The United States is in fact bound by the Hague Convention of 1899, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter to take any such dispute to arbitration and to settle it by pacific means. But that would require producing some evidence rather than mere allegations. Lawless "punishment" is much easier. For sure David. These Dem Warmongers against Russia are all a disgrace! But what else do you expect from The Sons And The Daughters of The Best And the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War? Plus ca change… fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: C. G. Estabrook ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" Fantasies About Russia Could Doom Opposition to Trump By David Swanson http://davidswanson.org/node/5399 To many Democrats for whom killing a million people in Iraq just didn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense, and who considered Obama's bombing of eight nations and the creation of the drone murder program to be praiseworthy, Trump will be impeachable on Day 1. Indeed Trump should be impeached on Day 1, but the same Democrats who found the one nominee who could lose to Trump will find the one argument for impeachment that can explode in their own faces. Here's a "progressive" Democrat: "In his dalliance with Vladimir Putin, Trump’s actions are skirting treason. ... By undermining further investigation or sanctions against the Russian manipulation of the 2016 election, Trump as president would be giving aid and comfort to Russian interference with American democracy." There's a bit of a nod there -- in the word "investigations" -- to the lack of any evidence that Russia manipulated any U.S. election, yet that manipulation is stated as fact, and a failure to support further sanctions as punishment for it becomes "aid and comfort." What level of punishment exactly constitutes the absence of aid and comfort? And how does that level of punishment compare with the level likely to produce war or nuclear holocaust? Who knows. Failure to sufficiently punish a foreign government, even for an actual proven offense, has never been a high crime and misdemeanor. The United States is in fact bound by the Hague Convention of 1899, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter to take any such dispute to arbitration and to settle it by pacific means. But that would require producing some evidence rather than mere allegations. Lawless "punishment" is much easier. But further evidence can emerge to counter the claim. The lack of evidence for the claim can weigh ever more heavily on public opinion. And the dangers of creating further hostility with Russia can enter the consciousness of additional people. Meanwhile, we have a man planning to be president later this month whose business dealings clearly violate the U.S. Constitution in terms of not only foreign but also domestic corruption. That's a perfectly overwhelming case for impeachment and removal from office that doesn't require opposing a single incident of mass murder or offending a single Pentagon contractor. Beyond that, Trump is becoming president after election day intimidation, the partisan-based removal of voters from the rolls, and opposition to attempting to count paper ballots where they existed. He's arriving with the stated policies of unconstitutionally discriminating against Muslims, murdering families, stealing oil, torturing, and proliferating nuclear weapons. In other words, Donald Trump will be from Day 1 an impeachable president, and Democrats will have already spent months building their campaign around the one thing that won't work. Imagine what will happen after all their hearings and press conferences, when their supporters find out that they aren't even accusing Vladimir Putin of hacking into election machines, that in fact they are accusing unknown individuals of hacking into Democrats' emails, and that they are then vaguely speculating that those individuals could have been sources for WikiLeaks, thereby informing the U.S. public of what was quite obvious and ought to have been widely reported for the good of the U.S. government, namely that the DNC rigged its primary. By the time the Democrats beat themselves to the floor with this charade, more facts will likely have come out regarding WikiLeaks' actual source(s), and more hostility will likely have been stirred up with Russia. The war hawks have already got Trump talking up nuclear escalation. Luckily there is an ace in the hole. There is something else that Democrats will be eager to hold Trump accountable for. And give Trump a month and he'll produce it. I'm referring, of course, to that greatest fear of Our Beloved Founding Fathers, the ultimate high crime and misdemeanor: the presidential sex scandal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 2 20:17:41 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 20:17:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" References: Message-ID: The Dems also supported the Bush Jr. War of Aggression against Iraq. They are hopeless Warmongers. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:35 AM To: Killeacle Subject: John Podesta Leaves Obama to Head Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign for 2016 Dori Smith: Who do you think might be the most effective person to introduce this bill {of impeachment against Bush Jr} and what is in the works in that regard? Francis A. Boyle: We just need one person to introduce the bill with courage, integrity, principles, and of course a safe seat. In Gulf War I, I worked with the late great Congressman Henry B. Gonzales on his bill of impeachment against Bush Sr. We put that one in. I did the first draft the day after the war started. So in my opinion there is no excuse for these bills not to have been put in already. In fact, I think I mentioned to you before, on 11 March 2003 Congressman John Conyers convened a meeting of 40 to 50 of his top advisors, most of whom were lawyers, to debate putting in immediate bills of impeachment against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft, to head off the war. And there were draft bills sitting on the table that had been prepared by me and Ramsey Clark. And the Congressman invited Ramsey and me to come in and state the case for impeachment. It was a two hour debate, very vigorous debate, obviously all of these lawyers there. And most of the lawyers there didn’t disagree with us on the merits of impeachment. It was more as they saw it a question of practical politics, namely, John Podesta was there, Clinton’s former White House chief of staff; said he was appearing on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and they were against putting in immediate bills of impeachment because it might hurt whoever their presidential candidate was going to be in 2004. Well at that time no one even knew who their presidential candidate was going to be in 2004. I didn’t argue the point, I’m a political independent, my position, and it was not for me to tell Democrats how to elect their candidates. I just continued arguing the merits of impeachment. But Ramsey is a lifelong Democrat and he argued that he felt that putting in these bills of impeachment might help the Democrats and it certainly wasn’t going to hurt them in 2004. Well the Democrats did lose in 2004 but as Ramsey and I were walking out after a two hour debate adjourned and I had offered to stay as long as it took to polish up my bills of impeachment and get them put in right away, because the war started, it was going to start in four days. I turned to Ramsey and I said Ramsey I just don’t understand it, their arguments make no sense, why did they not take me up on my offer to stay and polish up those bills of impeachment and put them in right away to head off a war. And sadly, Ramsey said, “I think most of the people there want a war.” That was 11 March 2003. It’s very clear that the high officials in the Democratic Party, certainly on the DNC, have been complicit with the Bush Administration in this war against Iraq from the get go. The Democratic national committee still vigorously opposes putting in any bills of impeachment against Bush and Cheney. Podesta made that very clear to us on 11 March 2003. On Tuesday 11 March 2003, with the Bush Jr. administration's war of aggression against Iraq staring the American People, Congress and Republic in their face, Congressman John Conyers of Michigan, the Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee (which has jurisdiction over Bills of Impeachment), convened an emergency meeting of forty or more of his top advisors, most of whom were lawyers. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss and debate immediately putting into the U.S. House of Representatives Bills of Impeachment against President Bush Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and then Attorney General John Ashcroft in order to head off the impending war. Congressman Conyers kindly requested that Ramsey Clark and I come to the meeting in order to argue the case for impeachment. This impeachment debate lasted for two hours. It was presided over by Congressman Conyers, who quite correctly did not tip his hand one way or the other on the merits of impeachment. He simply moderated the debate between Clark and I, on the one side, favoring immediately filing Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr. et al. to stop the threatened war, and almost everyone else there who were against impeachment for partisan political reasons. Obviously no point would be served here by attempting to digest a two-hour-long vigorous debate among a group of well-trained lawyers on such a controversial matter at this critical moment in American history. But at the time I was struck by the fact that this momentous debate was conducted at a private office right down the street from the White House on the eve of war. Suffice it to say that most of the "experts" there opposed impeachment not on the basis of enforcing the Constitution and the Rule of Law, whether international or domestic, but on the political grounds that it might hurt the Democratic Party effort to get their presidential candidate elected in the year 2004. As a political independent, I did not argue that point. Rather, I argued the merits of impeaching Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft under the United States Constitution, U.S. federal laws, U.S. treaties and other international agreements to which the United States is a party, etc. Article VI of the U.S. Constitution provides that treaties "shall be the supreme Law of the Land." This so-called Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution also applies to international executive agreements concluded under the auspices of the U.S. President such as the 1945 Nuremberg Charter. Congressman Conyers was so kind as to allow me the closing argument in the debate. Briefly put, the concluding point I chose to make was historical: The Athenians lost their democracy. The Romans lost their Republic. And if we Americans did not act now we could lose our Republic! The United States of America is not immune to the laws of history! After two hours of most vigorous debate among those in attendance, the meeting adjourned with second revised draft Bills of Impeachment sitting on the table. Certainly, if the U.S. House of Representatives can impeach President Clinton for sex and lying about sex, then a fortiori the House can, should, and must impeach President Bush Jr. for war, lying about war, and threatening more wars. All that is needed is for one Member of Congress with courage, integrity, principles and a safe seat to file these currently amended draft Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and now Attorney General Albert Gonzales, who bears personal criminal responsibility for the Bush Jr. administration torture scandal. Failing this, the alternative is likely to be an American Empire abroad, a U.S. police state at home, and continuing wars of aggression to sustain both-along the lines of George Orwell's classic novel 1984. Despite all of the serious flaws demonstrated by successive United States governments that this author has amply documented elsewhere during the past quarter century as a Professor of Law, the truth of the matter is that America is still the oldest Republic in the world today. "We the People of the United States" must fight to keep it that way! Podesta did not! [Francis A. Boyle is a Professor of International Law and a human rights attorney. He is the author of "Destroying World Order" (2004, Clarity Press).] Francis A. Boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:08 AM To: 'David Swanson' Cc: C. G. Estabrook ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" Failure to sufficiently punish a foreign government, even for an actual proven offense, has never been a high crime and misdemeanor. The United States is in fact bound by the Hague Convention of 1899, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter to take any such dispute to arbitration and to settle it by pacific means. But that would require producing some evidence rather than mere allegations. Lawless "punishment" is much easier. For sure David. These Dem Warmongers against Russia are all a disgrace! But what else do you expect from The Sons And The Daughters of The Best And the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War? Plus ca change… fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" Fantasies About Russia Could Doom Opposition to Trump By David Swanson http://davidswanson.org/node/5399 To many Democrats for whom killing a million people in Iraq just didn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense, and who considered Obama's bombing of eight nations and the creation of the drone murder program to be praiseworthy, Trump will be impeachable on Day 1. Indeed Trump should be impeached on Day 1, but the same Democrats who found the one nominee who could lose to Trump will find the one argument for impeachment that can explode in their own faces. Here's a "progressive" Democrat: "In his dalliance with Vladimir Putin, Trump’s actions are skirting treason. ... By undermining further investigation or sanctions against the Russian manipulation of the 2016 election, Trump as president would be giving aid and comfort to Russian interference with American democracy." There's a bit of a nod there -- in the word "investigations" -- to the lack of any evidence that Russia manipulated any U.S. election, yet that manipulation is stated as fact, and a failure to support further sanctions as punishment for it becomes "aid and comfort." What level of punishment exactly constitutes the absence of aid and comfort? And how does that level of punishment compare with the level likely to produce war or nuclear holocaust? Who knows. Failure to sufficiently punish a foreign government, even for an actual proven offense, has never been a high crime and misdemeanor. The United States is in fact bound by the Hague Convention of 1899, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter to take any such dispute to arbitration and to settle it by pacific means. But that would require producing some evidence rather than mere allegations. Lawless "punishment" is much easier. But further evidence can emerge to counter the claim. The lack of evidence for the claim can weigh ever more heavily on public opinion. And the dangers of creating further hostility with Russia can enter the consciousness of additional people. Meanwhile, we have a man planning to be president later this month whose business dealings clearly violate the U.S. Constitution in terms of not only foreign but also domestic corruption. That's a perfectly overwhelming case for impeachment and removal from office that doesn't require opposing a single incident of mass murder or offending a single Pentagon contractor. Beyond that, Trump is becoming president after election day intimidation, the partisan-based removal of voters from the rolls, and opposition to attempting to count paper ballots where they existed. He's arriving with the stated policies of unconstitutionally discriminating against Muslims, murdering families, stealing oil, torturing, and proliferating nuclear weapons. In other words, Donald Trump will be from Day 1 an impeachable president, and Democrats will have already spent months building their campaign around the one thing that won't work. Imagine what will happen after all their hearings and press conferences, when their supporters find out that they aren't even accusing Vladimir Putin of hacking into election machines, that in fact they are accusing unknown individuals of hacking into Democrats' emails, and that they are then vaguely speculating that those individuals could have been sources for WikiLeaks, thereby informing the U.S. public of what was quite obvious and ought to have been widely reported for the good of the U.S. government, namely that the DNC rigged its primary. By the time the Democrats beat themselves to the floor with this charade, more facts will likely have come out regarding WikiLeaks' actual source(s), and more hostility will likely have been stirred up with Russia. The war hawks have already got Trump talking up nuclear escalation. Luckily there is an ace in the hole. There is something else that Democrats will be eager to hold Trump accountable for. And give Trump a month and he'll produce it. I'm referring, of course, to that greatest fear of Our Beloved Founding Fathers, the ultimate high crime and misdemeanor: the presidential sex scandal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 2 21:07:13 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:07:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle: We just need one person to introduce the bill with courage, integrity, principles, and of course a safe seat. In Gulf War I, I worked with the late great Congressman Henry B. Gonzales on his bill of impeachment against Bush Sr. We put that one in. I did the first draft the day after the war started. Back in early January 1991 when Ramsey asked me to go in with him and Gonzales on impeaching Bush Sr in order to prevent his Gulf War, Ramsey told me that there were about 5 other Members of the US House who would endorse Gonzales’s Bill of Impeachment—Ramsey asked me to do the first draft. When push came to shove, the Dems all chickened out but for Gonzales. The Dems are just a Gang of Hopeless Warmongers—in my political lifetime at least going back to the Tonkin Gulf Resolution. These Dem Jackals of Death cannot change their Spots! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 2:18 PM To: David Swanson Cc: C. G. Estabrook ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" The Dems also supported the Bush Jr. War of Aggression against Iraq. They are hopeless Warmongers. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:35 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: John Podesta Leaves Obama to Head Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign for 2016 Dori Smith: Who do you think might be the most effective person to introduce this bill {of impeachment against Bush Jr} and what is in the works in that regard? Francis A. Boyle: We just need one person to introduce the bill with courage, integrity, principles, and of course a safe seat. In Gulf War I, I worked with the late great Congressman Henry B. Gonzales on his bill of impeachment against Bush Sr. We put that one in. I did the first draft the day after the war started. So in my opinion there is no excuse for these bills not to have been put in already. In fact, I think I mentioned to you before, on 11 March 2003 Congressman John Conyers convened a meeting of 40 to 50 of his top advisors, most of whom were lawyers, to debate putting in immediate bills of impeachment against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft, to head off the war. And there were draft bills sitting on the table that had been prepared by me and Ramsey Clark. And the Congressman invited Ramsey and me to come in and state the case for impeachment. It was a two hour debate, very vigorous debate, obviously all of these lawyers there. And most of the lawyers there didn’t disagree with us on the merits of impeachment. It was more as they saw it a question of practical politics, namely, John Podesta was there, Clinton’s former White House chief of staff; said he was appearing on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and they were against putting in immediate bills of impeachment because it might hurt whoever their presidential candidate was going to be in 2004. Well at that time no one even knew who their presidential candidate was going to be in 2004. I didn’t argue the point, I’m a political independent, my position, and it was not for me to tell Democrats how to elect their candidates. I just continued arguing the merits of impeachment. But Ramsey is a lifelong Democrat and he argued that he felt that putting in these bills of impeachment might help the Democrats and it certainly wasn’t going to hurt them in 2004. Well the Democrats did lose in 2004 but as Ramsey and I were walking out after a two hour debate adjourned and I had offered to stay as long as it took to polish up my bills of impeachment and get them put in right away, because the war started, it was going to start in four days. I turned to Ramsey and I said Ramsey I just don’t understand it, their arguments make no sense, why did they not take me up on my offer to stay and polish up those bills of impeachment and put them in right away to head off a war. And sadly, Ramsey said, “I think most of the people there want a war.” That was 11 March 2003. It’s very clear that the high officials in the Democratic Party, certainly on the DNC, have been complicit with the Bush Administration in this war against Iraq from the get go. The Democratic national committee still vigorously opposes putting in any bills of impeachment against Bush and Cheney. Podesta made that very clear to us on 11 March 2003. On Tuesday 11 March 2003, with the Bush Jr. administration's war of aggression against Iraq staring the American People, Congress and Republic in their face, Congressman John Conyers of Michigan, the Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee (which has jurisdiction over Bills of Impeachment), convened an emergency meeting of forty or more of his top advisors, most of whom were lawyers. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss and debate immediately putting into the U.S. House of Representatives Bills of Impeachment against President Bush Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and then Attorney General John Ashcroft in order to head off the impending war. Congressman Conyers kindly requested that Ramsey Clark and I come to the meeting in order to argue the case for impeachment. This impeachment debate lasted for two hours. It was presided over by Congressman Conyers, who quite correctly did not tip his hand one way or the other on the merits of impeachment. He simply moderated the debate between Clark and I, on the one side, favoring immediately filing Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr. et al. to stop the threatened war, and almost everyone else there who were against impeachment for partisan political reasons. Obviously no point would be served here by attempting to digest a two-hour-long vigorous debate among a group of well-trained lawyers on such a controversial matter at this critical moment in American history. But at the time I was struck by the fact that this momentous debate was conducted at a private office right down the street from the White House on the eve of war. Suffice it to say that most of the "experts" there opposed impeachment not on the basis of enforcing the Constitution and the Rule of Law, whether international or domestic, but on the political grounds that it might hurt the Democratic Party effort to get their presidential candidate elected in the year 2004. As a political independent, I did not argue that point. Rather, I argued the merits of impeaching Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft under the United States Constitution, U.S. federal laws, U.S. treaties and other international agreements to which the United States is a party, etc. Article VI of the U.S. Constitution provides that treaties "shall be the supreme Law of the Land." This so-called Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution also applies to international executive agreements concluded under the auspices of the U.S. President such as the 1945 Nuremberg Charter. Congressman Conyers was so kind as to allow me the closing argument in the debate. Briefly put, the concluding point I chose to make was historical: The Athenians lost their democracy. The Romans lost their Republic. And if we Americans did not act now we could lose our Republic! The United States of America is not immune to the laws of history! After two hours of most vigorous debate among those in attendance, the meeting adjourned with second revised draft Bills of Impeachment sitting on the table. Certainly, if the U.S. House of Representatives can impeach President Clinton for sex and lying about sex, then a fortiori the House can, should, and must impeach President Bush Jr. for war, lying about war, and threatening more wars. All that is needed is for one Member of Congress with courage, integrity, principles and a safe seat to file these currently amended draft Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and now Attorney General Albert Gonzales, who bears personal criminal responsibility for the Bush Jr. administration torture scandal. Failing this, the alternative is likely to be an American Empire abroad, a U.S. police state at home, and continuing wars of aggression to sustain both-along the lines of George Orwell's classic novel 1984. Despite all of the serious flaws demonstrated by successive United States governments that this author has amply documented elsewhere during the past quarter century as a Professor of Law, the truth of the matter is that America is still the oldest Republic in the world today. "We the People of the United States" must fight to keep it that way! Podesta did not! [Francis A. Boyle is a Professor of International Law and a human rights attorney. He is the author of "Destroying World Order" (2004, Clarity Press).] Francis A. Boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:08 AM To: 'David Swanson' > Cc: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" Failure to sufficiently punish a foreign government, even for an actual proven offense, has never been a high crime and misdemeanor. The United States is in fact bound by the Hague Convention of 1899, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter to take any such dispute to arbitration and to settle it by pacific means. But that would require producing some evidence rather than mere allegations. Lawless "punishment" is much easier. For sure David. These Dem Warmongers against Russia are all a disgrace! But what else do you expect from The Sons And The Daughters of The Best And the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War? Plus ca change… fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" Fantasies About Russia Could Doom Opposition to Trump By David Swanson http://davidswanson.org/node/5399 To many Democrats for whom killing a million people in Iraq just didn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense, and who considered Obama's bombing of eight nations and the creation of the drone murder program to be praiseworthy, Trump will be impeachable on Day 1. Indeed Trump should be impeached on Day 1, but the same Democrats who found the one nominee who could lose to Trump will find the one argument for impeachment that can explode in their own faces. Here's a "progressive" Democrat: "In his dalliance with Vladimir Putin, Trump’s actions are skirting treason. ... By undermining further investigation or sanctions against the Russian manipulation of the 2016 election, Trump as president would be giving aid and comfort to Russian interference with American democracy." There's a bit of a nod there -- in the word "investigations" -- to the lack of any evidence that Russia manipulated any U.S. election, yet that manipulation is stated as fact, and a failure to support further sanctions as punishment for it becomes "aid and comfort." What level of punishment exactly constitutes the absence of aid and comfort? And how does that level of punishment compare with the level likely to produce war or nuclear holocaust? Who knows. Failure to sufficiently punish a foreign government, even for an actual proven offense, has never been a high crime and misdemeanor. The United States is in fact bound by the Hague Convention of 1899, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter to take any such dispute to arbitration and to settle it by pacific means. But that would require producing some evidence rather than mere allegations. Lawless "punishment" is much easier. But further evidence can emerge to counter the claim. The lack of evidence for the claim can weigh ever more heavily on public opinion. And the dangers of creating further hostility with Russia can enter the consciousness of additional people. Meanwhile, we have a man planning to be president later this month whose business dealings clearly violate the U.S. Constitution in terms of not only foreign but also domestic corruption. That's a perfectly overwhelming case for impeachment and removal from office that doesn't require opposing a single incident of mass murder or offending a single Pentagon contractor. Beyond that, Trump is becoming president after election day intimidation, the partisan-based removal of voters from the rolls, and opposition to attempting to count paper ballots where they existed. He's arriving with the stated policies of unconstitutionally discriminating against Muslims, murdering families, stealing oil, torturing, and proliferating nuclear weapons. In other words, Donald Trump will be from Day 1 an impeachable president, and Democrats will have already spent months building their campaign around the one thing that won't work. Imagine what will happen after all their hearings and press conferences, when their supporters find out that they aren't even accusing Vladimir Putin of hacking into election machines, that in fact they are accusing unknown individuals of hacking into Democrats' emails, and that they are then vaguely speculating that those individuals could have been sources for WikiLeaks, thereby informing the U.S. public of what was quite obvious and ought to have been widely reported for the good of the U.S. government, namely that the DNC rigged its primary. By the time the Democrats beat themselves to the floor with this charade, more facts will likely have come out regarding WikiLeaks' actual source(s), and more hostility will likely have been stirred up with Russia. The war hawks have already got Trump talking up nuclear escalation. Luckily there is an ace in the hole. There is something else that Democrats will be eager to hold Trump accountable for. And give Trump a month and he'll produce it. I'm referring, of course, to that greatest fear of Our Beloved Founding Fathers, the ultimate high crime and misdemeanor: the presidential sex scandal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 2 21:17:30 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:17:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: RIP: Henry B. Fab -----Original Message----- From: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com [mailto:nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:50 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] Henry Gonzalez Resol'n to Impeach Bush I (1991) Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Jan 18, 2006 The Gonzalez Resolution to Impeach George Bush Congressional Record, Jan. 16, 1991, at H520-21. RESOLUTION OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas [Mr. GONZALEZ] is recognized for 60 minutes. Mr. GONZALEZ, Madam Speaker, it is with great sadness, and yet with equally great, if not greater, conviction, that I introduce today a resolution of impeachment of President Bush. It is known as House Resolution 34, and I will provide this resolution as introduced to be appended at the end of my remarks today. At a time when our Nation is deeply divided over the question of war, we find ourselves on the brink of a world war of such magnitude that our minds cannot fully comprehend the destruction that is about to be leveled. The position we are in is a direct result of the actions of one man and the reactions of another. The Iraqi people are as opposed to war as are the American people. The difference is that the Iraqi people have no choice but to support their country's leader, but the American people not only have the right to oppose and speak out in disagreement with the President, but they have the responsibility to do so if our democracy is to be preserved. Today I exercise this constitutional right and responsibility to speak out in opposition to war in the Middle East and in support of removal of our Nation's Chief Executive. When I took the oath of office earlier this month, as I had numerous times before, I swore to uphold the Constitution. The President's oath was the same, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. We did not pledge an oath of allegiance to the President but to the Constitution, which is the highest law of the land. The Constitution provides for removal of the President when he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, including violations of the principles of the Constitution. President Bush has violated these principles. My resolution has five articles of impeachment. First, the President has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Our soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American or Hispanic-American. They may be volunteers technically, but their voluntarism is based on the coercion of a system that has denied viable opportunities to these classes of our citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and the minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. Let me add that since 1981 we have suffered the Reagan-Bush and now the Bush war against the poor, and to add insult to injury, we now are asking the poor to fight while here, as a result of this fight, even the meager programs that the Congress had seen fit to preserve as a national policy will suffer because the money for those programs will be diverted to the cause of this unnecessary war. Article II of this resolution states that the President has violated the Constitution, Federal law, and the U.N. Charter by bribing, intimidating, and threatening others, including the members of the U.N. Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. It is clear that the President paid off members of the U.N. Security Council in return for their votes in support of war against Iraq or to abstain from voting contrariwise. The debt of Egypt was, for example, forgiven--$7 billion, without congressional approval. That, I think, casts doubtful validity on that Presidential action. The reason for the cancellation of that debt is so that we can then provide an equally enormous amount of armament for Egypt which it cannot obtain because of the debt outstanding. A $140 million loan to China was agreed to. The Soviet Union was promised over $7 billion in aid. This is a sum totally unreported in our country but very well discussed in foreign country presses such as Germany and others. Colombia was promised assistance to its armed forces. Zaire was promised military assistance and partial forgiveness of its debt. Saudi Arabia was promised $12 billion in arms, and more than that. Actually in October, the President let them have $2.2 billion, and there was a commitment for $21 billion more, but because of the outcry in Congress and the Israeli opposition, that is being postponed. But there is still a commitment for $22 billion. I am sure this month will see the initial efforts to bring about compliance with that commitment. Yemen was threatened with the termination of support, and the United States finally paid off $187 million of its debt to the United Nations after the vote President Bush sought was made. This is all so ironic. When our President ran for the U.S. Senate in the 1960's, he told the people of Texas that if he would be elected to the Senate, he would lead the fight to remove the United States from the United Nations if what he called Red China at that time was admitted. Fate and power almighty have a very, very mysterious way of working together. Who was to believe during that year in that race in Texas that years later this same man, now the President, would be the man the President would appoint to represent us in the United Nations and welcome Red China as a member of the United Nations. The vote was bought, and it will be paid for with the lives of our poor elements who are going to shoulder the fight. Article III states that the President has conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq, employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. No civilian lives have yet been lost that we know of, but when we start using the weapons of massive destruction that are in place for this war, there is no doubt that thousands of innocent civilians will lose their lives. As killings occur, the principles laid down in the Nuremberg trials will be applicable. Their deaths will not only be a moral outrage, they will constitute violations of international law. Article IV states that the President has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the U.N. Charter and international law. From August 1990 through January 1991 the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers lives were in jeopardy, rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. It is also ironic that what we have ended up with now is that the President has exchanged about 200 to 250 so-called hostages, Americans, all of them employees of oil companies in Kuwait or Iraq, and in exchange we now have close to 500,000 American soldiers as hostages. Hostages to the whims, the caprices, and the decisions and judgments made by other leaders, over which this President and our country has no control, all the way from Shamir of Israel to the immigrants in the Saudi sands. Article 5 states that the President has conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq, in violation of article 24 of the U.N. Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. Again, there is a violation of law by a President, who, believing and acting as if he is king, decides for the country, unilaterally, that war is the answer. Madam Speaker, it is a sad day for our country, and it will be an even sadder day once the fighting starts. President Bush must be stopped. A divided Congress reflecting the divided country is no way to conduct a war. The preservation of lives is at stake, and the preservation of our country, indeed, our democracy, is at stake as well. I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. All I ask is a hearing, as I have before, before the proper committee of proper jurisdiction, and that is it. I will argue the case there. The rest is up to the Members' judgment. Madam Speaker, I urge interest and support of this resolution, and to stand up to the President on behalf of the soldiers who will die, the civilians who will be massacred, and the Constitution that will be destroyed if this country goes to war in the Middle East. 102nd Congress H.Res.86 1st Session ____/s/ Henry B.Gonzalez____ Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. _______________________________________________ IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 21, 1991 (originally January 16, 1991) Mr. GONZALEZ submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Judiciary. ________________________________________________ A RESOLUTION Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Resolved, That George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the Senate: Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of all of the people of the United States of America, against George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors. ARTICLE I In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. U.S. soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American, and their military service is based on the coercion of an system that has denied viable economic opportunities to these classes of citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE II In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the U.S. Constitution, federal law and the United Nations Charter by bribing, intimidating and threatening others, including the members of the United Nations Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE III In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prepared, planned, and conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. This planning includes the placement and potential use of nuclear weapons, and the use of such indiscriminate weapons and massive killings by serial bombardment, or otherwise, of civilians violates the Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1923, the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Protocol I thereto, the Nuremberg Charter, the Genocide Convention and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE IV In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the United Nations Charter and international law. From August, 1990, through January, 1991, the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers' lives were in jeopardy - rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. The President has not received a declaration of war by Congress, and in contravention of the written word, the spirit, and the intent of the U.S. Constitution has declared that he will go to war regardless of the views of Congress and the American people. In failing to seek a declaration of war, and in declaring his intent to violate the Constitution in disregarding the acts of Congress - including the War Powers Resolution - George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE V In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has planned, prepared, and conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq in violation of Article 2(4) of the United Nations Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. * ================================================================ .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org .List Archives: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ .Subscribe: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ======================================================== Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 3:07 PM To: David Swanson Cc: C. G. Estabrook ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" Francis A. Boyle: We just need one person to introduce the bill with courage, integrity, principles, and of course a safe seat. In Gulf War I, I worked with the late great Congressman Henry B. Gonzales on his bill of impeachment against Bush Sr. We put that one in. I did the first draft the day after the war started. Back in early January 1991 when Ramsey asked me to go in with him and Gonzales on impeaching Bush Sr in order to prevent his Gulf War, Ramsey told me that there were about 5 other Members of the US House who would endorse Gonzales’s Bill of Impeachment—Ramsey asked me to do the first draft. When push came to shove, the Dems all chickened out but for Gonzales. The Dems are just a Gang of Hopeless Warmongers—in my political lifetime at least going back to the Tonkin Gulf Resolution. These Dem Jackals of Death cannot change their Spots! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 2:18 PM To: David Swanson > Cc: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" The Dems also supported the Bush Jr. War of Aggression against Iraq. They are hopeless Warmongers. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 9:35 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: John Podesta Leaves Obama to Head Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign for 2016 Dori Smith: Who do you think might be the most effective person to introduce this bill {of impeachment against Bush Jr} and what is in the works in that regard? Francis A. Boyle: We just need one person to introduce the bill with courage, integrity, principles, and of course a safe seat. In Gulf War I, I worked with the late great Congressman Henry B. Gonzales on his bill of impeachment against Bush Sr. We put that one in. I did the first draft the day after the war started. So in my opinion there is no excuse for these bills not to have been put in already. In fact, I think I mentioned to you before, on 11 March 2003 Congressman John Conyers convened a meeting of 40 to 50 of his top advisors, most of whom were lawyers, to debate putting in immediate bills of impeachment against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft, to head off the war. And there were draft bills sitting on the table that had been prepared by me and Ramsey Clark. And the Congressman invited Ramsey and me to come in and state the case for impeachment. It was a two hour debate, very vigorous debate, obviously all of these lawyers there. And most of the lawyers there didn’t disagree with us on the merits of impeachment. It was more as they saw it a question of practical politics, namely, John Podesta was there, Clinton’s former White House chief of staff; said he was appearing on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and they were against putting in immediate bills of impeachment because it might hurt whoever their presidential candidate was going to be in 2004. Well at that time no one even knew who their presidential candidate was going to be in 2004. I didn’t argue the point, I’m a political independent, my position, and it was not for me to tell Democrats how to elect their candidates. I just continued arguing the merits of impeachment. But Ramsey is a lifelong Democrat and he argued that he felt that putting in these bills of impeachment might help the Democrats and it certainly wasn’t going to hurt them in 2004. Well the Democrats did lose in 2004 but as Ramsey and I were walking out after a two hour debate adjourned and I had offered to stay as long as it took to polish up my bills of impeachment and get them put in right away, because the war started, it was going to start in four days. I turned to Ramsey and I said Ramsey I just don’t understand it, their arguments make no sense, why did they not take me up on my offer to stay and polish up those bills of impeachment and put them in right away to head off a war. And sadly, Ramsey said, “I think most of the people there want a war.” That was 11 March 2003. It’s very clear that the high officials in the Democratic Party, certainly on the DNC, have been complicit with the Bush Administration in this war against Iraq from the get go. The Democratic national committee still vigorously opposes putting in any bills of impeachment against Bush and Cheney. Podesta made that very clear to us on 11 March 2003. On Tuesday 11 March 2003, with the Bush Jr. administration's war of aggression against Iraq staring the American People, Congress and Republic in their face, Congressman John Conyers of Michigan, the Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee (which has jurisdiction over Bills of Impeachment), convened an emergency meeting of forty or more of his top advisors, most of whom were lawyers. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss and debate immediately putting into the U.S. House of Representatives Bills of Impeachment against President Bush Jr., Vice President Dick Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and then Attorney General John Ashcroft in order to head off the impending war. Congressman Conyers kindly requested that Ramsey Clark and I come to the meeting in order to argue the case for impeachment. This impeachment debate lasted for two hours. It was presided over by Congressman Conyers, who quite correctly did not tip his hand one way or the other on the merits of impeachment. He simply moderated the debate between Clark and I, on the one side, favoring immediately filing Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr. et al. to stop the threatened war, and almost everyone else there who were against impeachment for partisan political reasons. Obviously no point would be served here by attempting to digest a two-hour-long vigorous debate among a group of well-trained lawyers on such a controversial matter at this critical moment in American history. But at the time I was struck by the fact that this momentous debate was conducted at a private office right down the street from the White House on the eve of war. Suffice it to say that most of the "experts" there opposed impeachment not on the basis of enforcing the Constitution and the Rule of Law, whether international or domestic, but on the political grounds that it might hurt the Democratic Party effort to get their presidential candidate elected in the year 2004. As a political independent, I did not argue that point. Rather, I argued the merits of impeaching Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Ashcroft under the United States Constitution, U.S. federal laws, U.S. treaties and other international agreements to which the United States is a party, etc. Article VI of the U.S. Constitution provides that treaties "shall be the supreme Law of the Land." This so-called Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution also applies to international executive agreements concluded under the auspices of the U.S. President such as the 1945 Nuremberg Charter. Congressman Conyers was so kind as to allow me the closing argument in the debate. Briefly put, the concluding point I chose to make was historical: The Athenians lost their democracy. The Romans lost their Republic. And if we Americans did not act now we could lose our Republic! The United States of America is not immune to the laws of history! After two hours of most vigorous debate among those in attendance, the meeting adjourned with second revised draft Bills of Impeachment sitting on the table. Certainly, if the U.S. House of Representatives can impeach President Clinton for sex and lying about sex, then a fortiori the House can, should, and must impeach President Bush Jr. for war, lying about war, and threatening more wars. All that is needed is for one Member of Congress with courage, integrity, principles and a safe seat to file these currently amended draft Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and now Attorney General Albert Gonzales, who bears personal criminal responsibility for the Bush Jr. administration torture scandal. Failing this, the alternative is likely to be an American Empire abroad, a U.S. police state at home, and continuing wars of aggression to sustain both-along the lines of George Orwell's classic novel 1984. Despite all of the serious flaws demonstrated by successive United States governments that this author has amply documented elsewhere during the past quarter century as a Professor of Law, the truth of the matter is that America is still the oldest Republic in the world today. "We the People of the United States" must fight to keep it that way! Podesta did not! [Francis A. Boyle is a Professor of International Law and a human rights attorney. He is the author of "Destroying World Order" (2004, Clarity Press).] Francis A. Boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:08 AM To: 'David Swanson' > Cc: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" Failure to sufficiently punish a foreign government, even for an actual proven offense, has never been a high crime and misdemeanor. The United States is in fact bound by the Hague Convention of 1899, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter to take any such dispute to arbitration and to settle it by pacific means. But that would require producing some evidence rather than mere allegations. Lawless "punishment" is much easier. For sure David. These Dem Warmongers against Russia are all a disgrace! But what else do you expect from The Sons And The Daughters of The Best And the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War? Plus ca change… fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: C. G. Estabrook >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: FW: CIVIL RESISTANCE!--not "disobedience" Fantasies About Russia Could Doom Opposition to Trump By David Swanson http://davidswanson.org/node/5399 To many Democrats for whom killing a million people in Iraq just didn't rise to the level of an impeachable offense, and who considered Obama's bombing of eight nations and the creation of the drone murder program to be praiseworthy, Trump will be impeachable on Day 1. Indeed Trump should be impeached on Day 1, but the same Democrats who found the one nominee who could lose to Trump will find the one argument for impeachment that can explode in their own faces. Here's a "progressive" Democrat: "In his dalliance with Vladimir Putin, Trump’s actions are skirting treason. ... By undermining further investigation or sanctions against the Russian manipulation of the 2016 election, Trump as president would be giving aid and comfort to Russian interference with American democracy." There's a bit of a nod there -- in the word "investigations" -- to the lack of any evidence that Russia manipulated any U.S. election, yet that manipulation is stated as fact, and a failure to support further sanctions as punishment for it becomes "aid and comfort." What level of punishment exactly constitutes the absence of aid and comfort? And how does that level of punishment compare with the level likely to produce war or nuclear holocaust? Who knows. Failure to sufficiently punish a foreign government, even for an actual proven offense, has never been a high crime and misdemeanor. The United States is in fact bound by the Hague Convention of 1899, the Kellogg-Briand Pact, and the United Nations Charter to take any such dispute to arbitration and to settle it by pacific means. But that would require producing some evidence rather than mere allegations. Lawless "punishment" is much easier. But further evidence can emerge to counter the claim. The lack of evidence for the claim can weigh ever more heavily on public opinion. And the dangers of creating further hostility with Russia can enter the consciousness of additional people. Meanwhile, we have a man planning to be president later this month whose business dealings clearly violate the U.S. Constitution in terms of not only foreign but also domestic corruption. That's a perfectly overwhelming case for impeachment and removal from office that doesn't require opposing a single incident of mass murder or offending a single Pentagon contractor. Beyond that, Trump is becoming president after election day intimidation, the partisan-based removal of voters from the rolls, and opposition to attempting to count paper ballots where they existed. He's arriving with the stated policies of unconstitutionally discriminating against Muslims, murdering families, stealing oil, torturing, and proliferating nuclear weapons. In other words, Donald Trump will be from Day 1 an impeachable president, and Democrats will have already spent months building their campaign around the one thing that won't work. Imagine what will happen after all their hearings and press conferences, when their supporters find out that they aren't even accusing Vladimir Putin of hacking into election machines, that in fact they are accusing unknown individuals of hacking into Democrats' emails, and that they are then vaguely speculating that those individuals could have been sources for WikiLeaks, thereby informing the U.S. public of what was quite obvious and ought to have been widely reported for the good of the U.S. government, namely that the DNC rigged its primary. By the time the Democrats beat themselves to the floor with this charade, more facts will likely have come out regarding WikiLeaks' actual source(s), and more hostility will likely have been stirred up with Russia. The war hawks have already got Trump talking up nuclear escalation. Luckily there is an ace in the hole. There is something else that Democrats will be eager to hold Trump accountable for. And give Trump a month and he'll produce it. I'm referring, of course, to that greatest fear of Our Beloved Founding Fathers, the ultimate high crime and misdemeanor: the presidential sex scandal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jan 2 23:59:22 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 17:59:22 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A List of credible justice organizations of interest, fighting for justice In-Reply-To: References: <1229244385.4604059.1483197326289@mail.yahoo.com> <583BADCD-5811-4A56-97C5-397C1139EB48@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1EA9A886-EF7E-471C-A1B0-0AD441BDE9C4@illinois.edu> "The End of Progressive Neoliberalism” | Nancy Fraser | January 2, 2017 A clear and I think quite accurate analysis. "...voters are saying 'No!' to the lethal combination of austerity, free trade, predatory debt, and precarious, ill-paid work that characterize financialized capitalism today." —CGE > On Dec 31, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > Yes, that’s precisely why I neglected to post the full article on this Peace List, I didn’t really find it of value, only the list of those Jeffrey refers to as worthy organizations to support. Sometimes a positive message vs. a negative message has a greater impact. > > >> On Dec 31, 2016, at 07:49, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> 'Labor-faker' is a term - the meaning is obvious - from the social struggles of the last century. (It occurs e.g. in Steinbeck’s ‘The Grapes of Wrath.’) >> >> 'Race-faker' and 'eco-faker' (or 'enviro-faker') are contemporary examples of the phenomenon. >> >> It’s a matter of covertly giving up proclaimed principles for other commitments, personal or political. >> >> Jeffrey St. Clair, editor of CounterPunch and a leading environmental writer, suggests that the organizations of the latter should be called collectively “Gang Green.” >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Dec 31, 2016, at 9:15 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> Not to belabor the point, but Jeffrey St. Clair's comments in the rest of this article pertain to the recent debate about SPLC, etc., on this list. He doesn't mention SPLC by name, but it can I think be justifiably lumped in with those establishment non-profits that have essentially aligned themselves with the Democratic Party. >>> >>> DG >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 31, 2016 7:30 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> >>> From Jeffrey St. Clair, Counterpunch >>>> [...] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 3 03:24:02 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 03:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] A List of credible justice organizations of interest, fighting for justice In-Reply-To: <1EA9A886-EF7E-471C-A1B0-0AD441BDE9C4@illinois.edu> References: <1229244385.4604059.1483197326289@mail.yahoo.com> <583BADCD-5811-4A56-97C5-397C1139EB48@illinois.edu> <1EA9A886-EF7E-471C-A1B0-0AD441BDE9C4@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1870291648.6169193.1483413842720@mail.yahoo.com> I'm glad to see Nancy Fraser assume a less academic and more incisive tone than I have known her to assume in the past, when she endeavored to reconcile post-modernism with leftist politics. Perhaps one blind spot in this good piece is a failure to notice, from her academic perch, the relationship between education (including student debt) and neoliberalism; but she does appropriately critique the meritocracy. DG On Monday, January 2, 2017 5:59 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: "The End of Progressive Neoliberalism” | Nancy Fraser | January 2, 2017A clear and I think quite accurate analysis."...voters are saying 'No!' to the lethal combination of austerity, free trade, predatory debt, and precarious, ill-paid work that characterize financialized capitalism today."—CGE On Dec 31, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Karen Aram wrote: Gentlemen,  Yes, that’s precisely why I neglected to post the full article on this Peace List, I didn’t really find it of value, only the list of those Jeffrey refers to as worthy organizations to support. Sometimes a positive message vs. a negative message has a greater impact. On Dec 31, 2016, at 07:49, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: 'Labor-faker' is a term - the meaning is obvious - from the social struggles of the last century. (It occurs e.g. in Steinbeck’s ‘The Grapes of Wrath.’) 'Race-faker' and 'eco-faker' (or 'enviro-faker') are contemporary examples of the phenomenon. It’s a matter of covertly giving up proclaimed principles for other commitments, personal or political.  Jeffrey St. Clair, editor of CounterPunch and a leading environmental writer, suggests that the organizations of the latter should be called collectively “Gang Green.” —CGE On Dec 31, 2016, at 9:15 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: Not to belabor the point, but Jeffrey St. Clair's comments in the rest of this article pertain to the recent debate about SPLC, etc., on this list. He doesn't mention SPLC by name, but it can I think be justifiably lumped in with those establishment non-profits that have essentially aligned themselves with the Democratic Party. DG On Saturday, December 31, 2016 7:30 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >From Jeffrey St. Clair, Counterpunch [...] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jan 3 03:51:24 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:51:24 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A List of credible justice organizations of interest, fighting for justice In-Reply-To: <1870291648.6169193.1483413842720@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1229244385.4604059.1483197326289@mail.yahoo.com> <583BADCD-5811-4A56-97C5-397C1139EB48@illinois.edu> <1EA9A886-EF7E-471C-A1B0-0AD441BDE9C4@illinois.edu> <1870291648.6169193.1483413842720@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2EAE1371-4E36-4D2F-BFAA-72BF49C716A0@illinois.edu> She gives a good account of what W. B. Michaels (and Adolph Reed) call the left wing of neoliberalism, and why it’s a snare and a delusion… > On Jan 2, 2017, at 9:24 PM, David Green wrote: > > I'm glad to see Nancy Fraser assume a less academic and more incisive tone than I have known her to assume in the past, when she endeavored to reconcile post-modernism with leftist politics. Perhaps one blind spot in this good piece is a failure to notice, from her academic perch, the relationship between education (including student debt) and neoliberalism; but she does appropriately critique the meritocracy. > > DG > > > On Monday, January 2, 2017 5:59 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > > > "The End of Progressive Neoliberalism” | Nancy Fraser | January 2, 2017 > A clear and I think quite accurate analysis. > > > "...voters are saying 'No!' to the lethal combination of austerity, free trade, predatory debt, and precarious, ill-paid work that characterize financialized capitalism today." > —CGE > > >> On Dec 31, 2016, at 9:58 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >> > > Gentlemen, > > Yes, that’s precisely why I neglected to post the full article on this Peace List, I didn’t really find it of value, only the list of those Jeffrey refers to as worthy organizations to support. Sometimes a positive message vs. a negative message has a greater impact. > > >> On Dec 31, 2016, at 07:49, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> 'Labor-faker' is a term - the meaning is obvious - from the social struggles of the last century. (It occurs e.g. in Steinbeck’s ‘The Grapes of Wrath.’) >> >> 'Race-faker' and 'eco-faker' (or 'enviro-faker') are contemporary examples of the phenomenon. >> >> It’s a matter of covertly giving up proclaimed principles for other commitments, personal or political. >> >> Jeffrey St. Clair, editor of CounterPunch and a leading environmental writer, suggests that the organizations of the latter should be called collectively “Gang Green.” >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Dec 31, 2016, at 9:15 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> Not to belabor the point, but Jeffrey St. Clair's comments in the rest of this article pertain to the recent debate about SPLC, etc., on this list. He doesn't mention SPLC by name, but it can I think be justifiably lumped in with those establishment non-profits that have essentially aligned themselves with the Democratic Party. >>> >>> DG >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, December 31, 2016 7:30 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> >>> From Jeffrey St. Clair, Counterpunch >>>> [...] > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 3 19:18:03 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:18:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?FW=3A_Inside_Trump_Defense_Secre?= =?windows-1252?q?tary_Pick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Tim?= =?windows-1252?q?es?= References: Message-ID: The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM To: Action Greens Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 ________________________________ View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 ________________________________ From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 3 21:05:18 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:05:18 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where: WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984 KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984 THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM To: Action Greens Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 ________________________________ View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 ________________________________ From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 3 22:04:36 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 22:04:36 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In other words, we have now had THREE DEANS IN A ROW supporting US war crimes against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--the Untermensch of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty, where Black Lives do not matter either. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt Law School: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:05 PM To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where: WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984 KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984 THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM To: Action Greens Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 ________________________________ View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 ________________________________ From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 3 22:20:27 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 22:20:27 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And before these 3 Illinois Nazi Law Deans their predecessor, Dean Tommy Boy Mengele--fired by the Provost-- was a big, open, notorious and unabashed supporter of Chief Illiniwak. Illini Nazis Law Dean Mengele deliberately tormented our one American Indian Law Student. We have none today. Indian Lives Never Mattered at the Illinois Nazis Law School. Ditto for the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:05 PM To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times In other words, we have now had THREE DEANS IN A ROW supporting US war crimes against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--the Untermensch of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty, where Black Lives do not matter either. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt Law School: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:05 PM To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where: WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984 KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984 THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM To: Action Greens Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 ________________________________ View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 ________________________________ From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 12:57:08 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 06:57:08 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What Obama accomplished Message-ID: In the interests of the US elite, Obama’s policies were neoliberal (more inequality) and neoconservative (more war); both were successful. "The merciless downsizing of the American worker is a central element of Obama’s legacy... "The structural lowering of the employment floor to a precariat sub-basement makes all workers more insecure and less able to bargain with the bosses... "Obama’s assault on FDR’s New Deal and LBJ’s War on Poverty seemed to come from out of the blue... "Barack Obama dared to push through Congress a bill authorizing the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens by the military, without trial or charge... "Obama’s methodical nullification of international law is, itself, the gravest aggression and crime against peace.” —CGE From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 13:28:20 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 07:28:20 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=22Trump=E2=80=99s_Neo-Fascism_will_be_?= =?utf-8?q?Built_on_Neo-Fascism_of_Obama_and_Democrat_Party_=22?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39998C62-C39B-49E8-A7D1-E3D19F89ECB2@illinois.edu> Just as the Corbyn campaign in the UK exposed liberals' hostility against the left, so the Trump campaign did, mutatis mutandis. "So save your hysterical concerns about Trump for others and either commit yourself to building a revolutionary movement or get out of the way.” http://blackagendareport.com/obama_and_trump_neo-fascism —CGE From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 14:29:06 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:29:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So notice: This Nazi Law School has had Four Deans in a Row who have maliciously negated and neutered Human Rights and Our Common Humanity. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:20 PM To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And before these 3 Illinois Nazi Law Deans their predecessor, Dean Tommy Boy Mengele--fired by the Provost-- was a big, open, notorious and unabashed supporter of Chief Illiniwak. Illini Nazis Law Dean Mengele deliberately tormented our one American Indian Law Student. We have none today. Indian Lives Never Mattered at the Illinois Nazis Law School. Ditto for the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:05 PM To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times In other words, we have now had THREE DEANS IN A ROW supporting US war crimes against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--the Untermensch of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty, where Black Lives do not matter either. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt Law School: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:05 PM To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where: WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984 KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984 THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM To: Action Greens Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 ________________________________ View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 ________________________________ From futureup2us at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 14:33:32 2017 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 08:33:32 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> This from the Chicago Tribune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-law-professors-20170103-story.html Jay > On Jan 4, 2017, at 08:29, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > So notice: This Nazi Law School has had Four Deans in a Row who have maliciously negated and neutered Human Rights and Our Common Humanity. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:20 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > And before these 3 Illinois Nazi Law Deans their predecessor, Dean Tommy Boy Mengele--fired by the Provost-- was a big, open, notorious and unabashed supporter of Chief Illiniwak. Illini Nazis Law Dean Mengele deliberately tormented our one American Indian Law Student. We have none today. Indian Lives Never Mattered at the Illinois Nazis Law School. Ditto for the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:05 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > In other words, we have now had THREE DEANS IN A ROW supporting US war crimes against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--the Untermensch of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty, where Black Lives do not matter either. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt Law School: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:05 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where: > > WAR IS PEACE > FREEDOM IS SLAVERY > IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH > WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER > REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984 > KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984 > THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO > > > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM > To: Action Greens > Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians > Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. > LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. > Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. > LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? > Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM > To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 > > ________________________________ > View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 > View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 > Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 > Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ > > This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu > > > This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. > Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: > https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 > ________________________________ > From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 14:46:54 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:46:54 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jay. Just remember that the Association of American Law Schools--that represents all accredited law schools in the country--invited Clinton's Killer Koh to give their Keynote Address before their Annual Convention. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:34 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times This from the Chicago Tribune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-law-professors-20170103-story.html Jay > On Jan 4, 2017, at 08:29, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > So notice: This Nazi Law School has had Four Deans in a Row who have maliciously negated and neutered Human Rights and Our Common Humanity. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:20 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > And before these 3 Illinois Nazi Law Deans their predecessor, Dean Tommy Boy Mengele--fired by the Provost-- was a big, open, notorious and unabashed supporter of Chief Illiniwak. Illini Nazis Law Dean Mengele deliberately tormented our one American Indian Law Student. We have none today. Indian Lives Never Mattered at the Illinois Nazis Law School. Ditto for the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:05 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > In other words, we have now had THREE DEANS IN A ROW supporting US war crimes against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--the Untermensch of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty, where Black Lives do not matter either. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt Law School: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:05 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where: > > WAR IS PEACE > FREEDOM IS SLAVERY > IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH > WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER > REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984 > KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984 > THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO > > > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM > To: Action Greens > Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians > Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. > LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. > Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. > LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? > Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM > To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 > > ________________________________ > View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 > View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 > Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 > Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ > > This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu > > > This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. > Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: > https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 > ________________________________ > From futureup2us at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 14:56:48 2017 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 08:56:48 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org Jay > On Jan 4, 2017, at 08:46, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Thanks Jay. Just remember that the Association of American Law Schools--that represents all accredited law schools in the country--invited Clinton's Killer Koh to give their Keynote Address before their Annual Convention. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:34 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: Re: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > This from the Chicago Tribune: > > http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-law-professors-20170103-story.html > > Jay > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 08:29, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> So notice: This Nazi Law School has had Four Deans in a Row who have maliciously negated and neutered Human Rights and Our Common Humanity. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:20 PM >> To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net >> Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> And before these 3 Illinois Nazi Law Deans their predecessor, Dean Tommy Boy Mengele--fired by the Provost-- was a big, open, notorious and unabashed supporter of Chief Illiniwak. Illini Nazis Law Dean Mengele deliberately tormented our one American Indian Law Student. We have none today. Indian Lives Never Mattered at the Illinois Nazis Law School. Ditto for the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:05 PM >> To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net >> Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> In other words, we have now had THREE DEANS IN A ROW supporting US war crimes against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--the Untermensch of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty, where Black Lives do not matter either. >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt Law School: >> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:05 PM >> To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net >> Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where: >> >> WAR IS PEACE >> FREEDOM IS SLAVERY >> IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH >> WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER >> REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984 >> KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984 >> THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO >> >> >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM >> To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net >> Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM >> To: Action Greens >> Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM >> Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians >> Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. >> LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. >> Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. >> LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? >> Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM >> To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org >> Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 >> >> ________________________________ >> View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 >> View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 >> Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org >> Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 >> Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ >> >> This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu >> >> >> This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. 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From: Association of American Law Schools Section on Minority Groups [mailto:AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 4:13 PM To: AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU Subject: BOYCOTT HAROLD KOH'S Keynote Address at AALS Convention In 1983 Harold Koh went to work for the Reagan administration, Department of “Justice” Office of Legal Counsel, and justified every hideous atrocity that Reagan inflicted on international law, human rights, and the United States Constitution until he left in 1985. Reagan to Obama. Koh is just an opportunist and a careerist and a War Criminal. Fab. From: Association of American Law Schools Section on Minority Groups [mailto:AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:34 AM To: AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU Subject: Re: BOYCOTT HAROLD KOH'S TRANSNATIONAL LEGAL PROBLEMS, 4th Ed. Foundation Press When at the AALS Convention in January the War Criminal Harold Koh says he is an exemplar of the Transnational Legal Studies Movement, don’t anyone believe him! Its Founder Henry Steiner never taught any of us students to murder people and commit war crimes. Henry always taught his course and his students with the highest degree of ethical integrity. Ditto for Louis Sohn, Dick Baxter, Abe Chayes, Roger Fisher, and Clyde Ferguson. RIP. Koh is an utter and absolute disgrace to all of them. Fab. Hey! Hey! Harold, say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Association of American Law Schools Section on Minority Groups [mailto:AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:02 AM To: AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU Subject: BOYCOTT HAROLD KOH'S TRANSNATIONAL LEGAL PROBLEMS, 4th Ed. Foundation Press And I hereby call upon all law professors of good faith and good will to boycott Harold Koh’s Transnational Legal Problems, Fourth Edition, Foundation Press. Fab. Hey! Hey! Harold, say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Association of American Law Schools Section on Minority Groups [mailto:AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:57 AM To: AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU Subject: President Lincoln v. Droner Harold Koh & Nazi Crown Jurist Carl Schmitt at AALS Convention & Yale Law School In General Orders, No. 100 of April 24, 1863, “Instructions for the Government of the Armies of the United States in the Field, ” President Lincoln ordered: SECTION IX Assassination Art. 148. The law of war does not allow proclaiming either an individual belonging to the hostile army, or a citizen, or a subject of the hostile government, an outlaw, who may be slain without trial by any captor, any more than the modern law of peace allows such intentional outlawry; on the contrary, it abhors such outrage. The sternest retaliation should follow the murder committed in consequence of such proclamation, made by whatever authority. Civilized nations look with horror upon offers of rewards for the assassination of enemies as relapses into barbarism. Lincoln’s prohibition has been continuously in effect since then up through and including Department of the Army Field Manual 27-10, The Law of Land Warfare (1956), which is still valid and binding, and was written for the Pentagon by my Teacher, Mentor and Friend the late, great Richard R. Baxter, later Judge of the International Court of Justice. RIP. Notice Lincoln determined such conduct to be pure “murder”: “Boyle accuses the Obama administration of continuing to conduct a “bogus” war on “international terrorism” including the ever escalating campaign of drone strikes in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and other jurisdictions. He termed the president’s program of “targeted killings,” in which President Obama himself draws up the “kill list,” to be simply a case of “pure murder” under both traditional British common law and international law, and says these attacks constitute a “Crime against Humanity under Article 7(1)(a) of the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court.”” Hey! Hey! Harold, say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Luca Brozzi: Don Vito, I hear Obama’s War Consiglieri Harold Koh is returning to Yale Law School to teach courses on Human Rights and International Law. Vito Corleone: Joke of the day, Luca! Yale Law created a special chair just for him named after a previous Yale Law Dean War Criminal. Obama’s War Consiglieri will now become the Dean Gene Rostow Professor of Law. Luca Brozzi: You mean of the Rostow Brothers who ran the Vietnam War for LBJ? Don Vito: Right Luca: Hey! Hey! LBJ! How many kids! Did you kill today! Luca Brozzi: So now at Yale Law School it will be: Hey! Hey! Harold, say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Don Vito: Right Luca. For the past generation Yale Law has specialized in churning out war criminals, war mongerers and torturers and torture lawyers such as Goldsmith now at Harvard Law School, Yoo at Berkeley Law, and Wedgie now at Johns Hopkins, etc. Obama’s War Consiglieri Koh will be a worthy successor to Johnson’s War Consiglieri Rostow at Yale Law School. Why they might even give him another term as YLS Dean just in honor of all the atrocities he justified for Obama. Luca Brazzi: Right Don Vito. I notice that former YLS Dean Guido Calabresi has just sung Koh’s praises and can’t wait for his return to YLS. Don Vito: No surprise there Luca! Calabresi and Rostow were Goodfella’s together at Yale Law School. Two peas in a pod. Luca Brazzi: Say, Don Vito, do you think Obama will return to teach “Constitutional Law” at the University of Chicago Law School? Don Vito: Of course Luca. Our Boy Tony Reczko bought Obama his nice mansion in Hyde Park so I am sure Obama will want to return home. Luca Brazzi: Gosh, Don Vito, that was sure smart of us getting Tony in there on the ground floor of Obama. Don Vito: Right Luca. The Chicago Machine has always been in the Pocket of the Chicago Mob going back to Al Capone, Frank Nitti and our other Goodfella’s in Chicago. Luca Brazzi: Is there a book I can read on that? Don Vito: Sure, Ovid DeMaris, The Naked City, would be a good start. Luca Brazzi: I’ll go out and get a copy Don Vito. It sure is nice to know that Yale Law, Harvard Law, Chicago Law, Berkeley Law, Columbia Law, Northwestern Law etc., will all teach their future lawyers how to make people Sleeps With The Fishes. Don Vito: Yeah, Tom Horgan is about to “retire”. So the Outfit needs some new Consiglieri to take his place. Luca Brazzi: You mean you want me to whack Tom? Don Vito: Merry Christmas Luca! Luca Brazzi: Happy New Year Godfather! Don Vito: Then see you at the AALS Convention in New Orleans! Luca Brazzi: Yeah, I sure want to hear Obama’s War Consiglieri Harold Koh give all the American Law Professors their Keynote Address on how to “engage” the Arab and Muslim Worlds at the Aim-point of a Drone. Teach those diaper-heads a thing or too! Don Vito: Right Luca. We are just Small Time Killers compared to Koh and Obama. Luca Brazzi: Why I could use one of dem drones to take out the entire Barzini Family all at once. Don Vito: Sorry Luca. We don’t kill women and children. We are Men of Honor. I would not sanction such a hit. Luca Brazzi: But Obama does every Tuesday morning! Don Vito: Right Luca. Obama and Koh are not Men of Honor. Luca Brazzi: Right Godfather. It sure is nice to live by a Code of Honor. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Association of American Law Schools Section on Minority Groups [mailto:AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:28 AM To: AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU Subject: Harold Koh & Nazi Crown Jurist Carl Schmitt at AALS Convention I hope everyone has a great time at the AALS Convention listening to Obama’s racist droner War Criminal Harold Koh giving their Keynote Address in the name of you all about how to “ engage” the Arab and Muslim worlds at the aim-point of a drone. American law professors for unconstitutional wars! American law professors for torture! American law professors for the Gitmo kangaroo courts! American law professors for indefinite detention! American law professors for drone strikes! American law professors for assassinations! American law professors for war crimes! American law professors for murdering United States citizens! How much lower can American law professors descend into the criminal muck of Neo-Nazi legal nihilism? Since 9/11/2001, the shades of Nazi “crown jurist” law professor Carl Schmitt have been running amok in the hallways, classrooms, faculty offices, conferences, and publications of the American legal academy and among their now practicing lawyer former students. Arabs and Muslims have become their new Jews. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:47 AM To: 'Jay' Cc: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Thanks Jay. Just remember that the Association of American Law Schools--that represents all accredited law schools in the country--invited Clinton's Killer Koh to give their Keynote Address before their Annual Convention. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:34 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times This from the Chicago Tribune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-law-professors-20170103-story.html Jay > On Jan 4, 2017, at 08:29, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > So notice: This Nazi Law School has had Four Deans in a Row who have maliciously negated and neutered Human Rights and Our Common Humanity. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:20 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > And before these 3 Illinois Nazi Law Deans their predecessor, Dean Tommy Boy Mengele--fired by the Provost-- was a big, open, notorious and unabashed supporter of Chief Illiniwak. Illini Nazis Law Dean Mengele deliberately tormented our one American Indian Law Student. We have none today. Indian Lives Never Mattered at the Illinois Nazis Law School. Ditto for the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:05 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > In other words, we have now had THREE DEANS IN A ROW supporting US war crimes against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--the Untermensch of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty, where Black Lives do not matter either. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt Law School: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:05 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where: > > WAR IS PEACE > FREEDOM IS SLAVERY > IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH > WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER > REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984 > KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984 > THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO > > > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM > To: Action Greens > Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians > Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. > LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. > Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. > LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? > Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM > To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 > > ________________________________ > View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 > View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 > Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 > Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ > > This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu > > > This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. > Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: > https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 > ________________________________ > From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 15:11:36 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:11:36 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> Message-ID: I suspect most of them might be shedding some crocodile tears for the Tens of Thousands of Muslims/Arabs/Asians Men, Women and Children of Color exterminated by Obama/Clinton/KillerKoh et al—America’s New Jews. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org Jay [cid:image001.jpg at 01D2666A.89A20930] On Jan 4, 2017, at 08:46, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Thanks Jay. Just remember that the Association of American Law Schools--that represents all accredited law schools in the country--invited Clinton's Killer Koh to give their Keynote Address before their Annual Convention. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:34 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Swanson >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; C. G. Estabrook >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times This from the Chicago Tribune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-law-professors-20170103-story.html Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 08:29, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: So notice: This Nazi Law School has had Four Deans in a Row who have maliciously negated and neutered Human Rights and Our Common Humanity. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:20 PM To: David Swanson >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; C. G. Estabrook >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And before these 3 Illinois Nazi Law Deans their predecessor, Dean Tommy Boy Mengele--fired by the Provost-- was a big, open, notorious and unabashed supporter of Chief Illiniwak. Illini Nazis Law Dean Mengele deliberately tormented our one American Indian Law Student. We have none today. Indian Lives Never Mattered at the Illinois Nazis Law School. Ditto for the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:05 PM To: David Swanson >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; C. G. Estabrook >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times In other words, we have now had THREE DEANS IN A ROW supporting US war crimes against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--the Untermensch of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty, where Black Lives do not matter either. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt Law School: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:05 PM To: David Swanson >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; C. G. Estabrook >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where: WAR IS PEACE FREEDOM IS SLAVERY IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984 KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984 THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM To: David Swanson >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; C. G. Estabrook >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Karen Aram >; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM To: Action Greens > Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 ________________________________ View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. 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Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt Law School: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 9:04 AM To: 'Jay' Cc: 'David Swanson' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'C. G. Estabrook' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'Peace at lists.chambana.net' Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times I have not had a look at the list of law professors. But those mentioned fully supported Killers Obama and Clinton. Fab. From: Association of American Law Schools Section on Minority Groups [mailto:AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 4:13 PM To: AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU Subject: BOYCOTT HAROLD KOH'S Keynote Address at AALS Convention In 1983 Harold Koh went to work for the Reagan administration, Department of “Justice” Office of Legal Counsel, and justified every hideous atrocity that Reagan inflicted on international law, human rights, and the United States Constitution until he left in 1985. Reagan to Obama. Koh is just an opportunist and a careerist and a War Criminal. Fab. From: Association of American Law Schools Section on Minority Groups [mailto:AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:34 AM To: AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU Subject: Re: BOYCOTT HAROLD KOH'S TRANSNATIONAL LEGAL PROBLEMS, 4th Ed. Foundation Press When at the AALS Convention in January the War Criminal Harold Koh says he is an exemplar of the Transnational Legal Studies Movement, don’t anyone believe him! Its Founder Henry Steiner never taught any of us students to murder people and commit war crimes. Henry always taught his course and his students with the highest degree of ethical integrity. Ditto for Louis Sohn, Dick Baxter, Abe Chayes, Roger Fisher, and Clyde Ferguson. RIP. Koh is an utter and absolute disgrace to all of them. Fab. Hey! Hey! Harold, say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Association of American Law Schools Section on Minority Groups [mailto:AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:02 AM To: AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU Subject: BOYCOTT HAROLD KOH'S TRANSNATIONAL LEGAL PROBLEMS, 4th Ed. Foundation Press And I hereby call upon all law professors of good faith and good will to boycott Harold Koh’s Transnational Legal Problems, Fourth Edition, Foundation Press. Fab. Hey! Hey! Harold, say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Association of American Law Schools Section on Minority Groups [mailto:AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:57 AM To: AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU Subject: President Lincoln v. Droner Harold Koh & Nazi Crown Jurist Carl Schmitt at AALS Convention & Yale Law School In General Orders, No. 100 of April 24, 1863, “Instructions for the Government of the Armies of the United States in the Field, ” President Lincoln ordered: SECTION IX Assassination Art. 148. The law of war does not allow proclaiming either an individual belonging to the hostile army, or a citizen, or a subject of the hostile government, an outlaw, who may be slain without trial by any captor, any more than the modern law of peace allows such intentional outlawry; on the contrary, it abhors such outrage. The sternest retaliation should follow the murder committed in consequence of such proclamation, made by whatever authority. Civilized nations look with horror upon offers of rewards for the assassination of enemies as relapses into barbarism. Lincoln’s prohibition has been continuously in effect since then up through and including Department of the Army Field Manual 27-10, The Law of Land Warfare (1956), which is still valid and binding, and was written for the Pentagon by my Teacher, Mentor and Friend the late, great Richard R. Baxter, later Judge of the International Court of Justice. RIP. Notice Lincoln determined such conduct to be pure “murder”: “Boyle accuses the Obama administration of continuing to conduct a “bogus” war on “international terrorism” including the ever escalating campaign of drone strikes in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen and other jurisdictions. He termed the president’s program of “targeted killings,” in which President Obama himself draws up the “kill list,” to be simply a case of “pure murder” under both traditional British common law and international law, and says these attacks constitute a “Crime against Humanity under Article 7(1)(a) of the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court.”” Hey! Hey! Harold, say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Luca Brozzi: Don Vito, I hear Obama’s War Consiglieri Harold Koh is returning to Yale Law School to teach courses on Human Rights and International Law. Vito Corleone: Joke of the day, Luca! Yale Law created a special chair just for him named after a previous Yale Law Dean War Criminal. Obama’s War Consiglieri will now become the Dean Gene Rostow Professor of Law. Luca Brozzi: You mean of the Rostow Brothers who ran the Vietnam War for LBJ? Don Vito: Right Luca: Hey! Hey! LBJ! How many kids! Did you kill today! Luca Brozzi: So now at Yale Law School it will be: Hey! Hey! Harold, say! How many kids! Did you kill today! Don Vito: Right Luca. For the past generation Yale Law has specialized in churning out war criminals, war mongerers and torturers and torture lawyers such as Goldsmith now at Harvard Law School, Yoo at Berkeley Law, and Wedgie now at Johns Hopkins, etc. Obama’s War Consiglieri Koh will be a worthy successor to Johnson’s War Consiglieri Rostow at Yale Law School. Why they might even give him another term as YLS Dean just in honor of all the atrocities he justified for Obama. Luca Brazzi: Right Don Vito. I notice that former YLS Dean Guido Calabresi has just sung Koh’s praises and can’t wait for his return to YLS. Don Vito: No surprise there Luca! Calabresi and Rostow were Goodfella’s together at Yale Law School. Two peas in a pod. Luca Brazzi: Say, Don Vito, do you think Obama will return to teach “Constitutional Law” at the University of Chicago Law School? Don Vito: Of course Luca. Our Boy Tony Reczko bought Obama his nice mansion in Hyde Park so I am sure Obama will want to return home. Luca Brazzi: Gosh, Don Vito, that was sure smart of us getting Tony in there on the ground floor of Obama. Don Vito: Right Luca. The Chicago Machine has always been in the Pocket of the Chicago Mob going back to Al Capone, Frank Nitti and our other Goodfella’s in Chicago. Luca Brazzi: Is there a book I can read on that? Don Vito: Sure, Ovid DeMaris, The Naked City, would be a good start. Luca Brazzi: I’ll go out and get a copy Don Vito. It sure is nice to know that Yale Law, Harvard Law, Chicago Law, Berkeley Law, Columbia Law, Northwestern Law etc., will all teach their future lawyers how to make people Sleeps With The Fishes. Don Vito: Yeah, Tom Horgan is about to “retire”. So the Outfit needs some new Consiglieri to take his place. Luca Brazzi: You mean you want me to whack Tom? Don Vito: Merry Christmas Luca! Luca Brazzi: Happy New Year Godfather! Don Vito: Then see you at the AALS Convention in New Orleans! Luca Brazzi: Yeah, I sure want to hear Obama’s War Consiglieri Harold Koh give all the American Law Professors their Keynote Address on how to “engage” the Arab and Muslim Worlds at the Aim-point of a Drone. Teach those diaper-heads a thing or too! Don Vito: Right Luca. We are just Small Time Killers compared to Koh and Obama. Luca Brazzi: Why I could use one of dem drones to take out the entire Barzini Family all at once. Don Vito: Sorry Luca. We don’t kill women and children. We are Men of Honor. I would not sanction such a hit. Luca Brazzi: But Obama does every Tuesday morning! Don Vito: Right Luca. Obama and Koh are not Men of Honor. Luca Brazzi: Right Godfather. It sure is nice to live by a Code of Honor. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Association of American Law Schools Section on Minority Groups [mailto:AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:28 AM To: AALSMIN-L at LISTSERV.UBALT.EDU Subject: Harold Koh & Nazi Crown Jurist Carl Schmitt at AALS Convention I hope everyone has a great time at the AALS Convention listening to Obama’s racist droner War Criminal Harold Koh giving their Keynote Address in the name of you all about how to “ engage” the Arab and Muslim worlds at the aim-point of a drone. American law professors for unconstitutional wars! American law professors for torture! American law professors for the Gitmo kangaroo courts! American law professors for indefinite detention! American law professors for drone strikes! American law professors for assassinations! American law professors for war crimes! American law professors for murdering United States citizens! How much lower can American law professors descend into the criminal muck of Neo-Nazi legal nihilism? Since 9/11/2001, the shades of Nazi “crown jurist” law professor Carl Schmitt have been running amok in the hallways, classrooms, faculty offices, conferences, and publications of the American legal academy and among their now practicing lawyer former students. Arabs and Muslims have become their new Jews. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:47 AM To: 'Jay' Cc: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Thanks Jay. Just remember that the Association of American Law Schools--that represents all accredited law schools in the country--invited Clinton's Killer Koh to give their Keynote Address before their Annual Convention. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 8:34 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times This from the Chicago Tribune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-law-professors-20170103-story.html Jay > On Jan 4, 2017, at 08:29, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > So notice: This Nazi Law School has had Four Deans in a Row who have maliciously negated and neutered Human Rights and Our Common Humanity. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:20 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > And before these 3 Illinois Nazi Law Deans their predecessor, Dean Tommy Boy Mengele--fired by the Provost-- was a big, open, notorious and unabashed supporter of Chief Illiniwak. Illini Nazis Law Dean Mengele deliberately tormented our one American Indian Law Student. We have none today. Indian Lives Never Mattered at the Illinois Nazis Law School. Ditto for the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 4:05 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > In other words, we have now had THREE DEANS IN A ROW supporting US war crimes against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--the Untermensch of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty, where Black Lives do not matter either. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt Law School: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:05 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > While Fired and Disgraced Hurricane Heidi Hurd was Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty, Her Chair of the Appointments Committee, Uncle Brucie Smith, tried to hire a Bush Jr Torture Lawyer War Criminal. Of course I went ballistic with the Faculty. Not surprisingly, Uncle Brucie Smith succeeded Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd as Dean of this Nazi Law Faculty--to be Fired and Disgraced himself. And then the Successor to Fired and Disgraced and ABA-Sanctioned Deans Uncle Brucie Smith and Hurricane Heidi Hurd, Vic Amar invites Obama/Clinton's Killer Koh to give an endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service while campaigning to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later.. Truly Orwellian! But so it goes at the Illinois Nazis Law School Where: > > WAR IS PEACE > FREEDOM IS SLAVERY > IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH > WE ALL LOVE BIG BROTHER > REAGAN WAS PRESIDENT IN 1984 > KILLER KOH WORKED FOR REAGAN IN 1984 > THE ILLINOIS NAZI LAW FACULTY KNEW IT IN 2015 BECAUSE I TOLD THEM SO > > > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:18 PM > To: David Swanson ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; C. G. Estabrook ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Karen Aram ; Peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > The Disgraced and Fired Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael CIA/Mossad Moore of this Nazi Law Faculty have been stinking up this Campus and our Community since their arrival here by advocating torture. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:13 PM > To: Action Greens > Subject: FW: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:04 PM > Subject: RE: Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > Thanks to Staff Sergeant Mejia--the first GI Resister to Bush Jr.'s War of Aggression against Iraq, we knew all about the Bush Jr Torture Scandal in Iraq well before it hit the headlines. After a Kangaroo Court Martial Proceeding at Fort Stewart Georgia, instead of 2 years we got Mejia 8 months and adopted a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. How we did it is explained in my book Protesting Power: War,Resistance and Law (Rowman and Littlefield Inc. 2008). For his act of courage, integrity and principle, Mejia got more time than most of the torturers. Fab. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians > Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. > LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. > Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. > LeVine: How can any of the people you mentioned be prosecuted? > Boyle: The military could do it, or the Dept. of Justice, which would have default power to do so if the military didn't. But for this of course we'd need a special prosecutor and that law has been allowed to lapse. Attorney General Ashcroft, who is clearly part of the criminal conspiracy, would never push a war crimes investigations against his colleagues or President Bush. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Davis, Ben [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 12:38 PM > To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/us/politics/james-mattis-defense-secretary-trump.html?_r=1 > > ________________________________ > View post online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/st/post=39044&anc=p39044#p39044 > View mailing list online: https://connect.aals.org/p/fo/si/topic=355 > Start new thread via email: mailto:SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Unsubscribe from this mailing list: https://connect.aals.org/o/fo/topic=355 > Manage your subscription: https://connect.aals.org/p/us/to/ > > This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu > > > This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. > Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: > https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 > ________________________________ > From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 15:40:42 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:40:42 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? > > On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org > > Jay > > <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From futureup2us at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 15:44:06 2017 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:44:06 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. > On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” > > https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ > > "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": > > http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map > > —CGE > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >> >> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org >> >> Jay >> >> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 16:03:36 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:03:36 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: > > From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org > > The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. > > Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. > > More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. > > Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. > > This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. > > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >> >> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >> >> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >> >> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>> >>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>> >> > From futureup2us at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 16:32:38 2017 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:32:38 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Donald Trump = less inequality and less war? That’s delusional. And the evidence is now overwhelming. As for the Democratic Party, Obama says “we’re all on the same team,” and Clinton admonishes us to “keep an open mind” about this fascist. This campaign is in “strong opposition” to their ideological message and going up against the interests of all factions of the ruling class at this point, which are “peaceful transition” and salvaging the legitimacy of their thoroughly illegitimate system. To hell with the millions thrown under the bus by Trump/Pence (who Jeremy Scahill correctly describes as soon to be the most powerful Christian fascist in history), here and around the world - Muslims (registry), Mexicans (massive deportations - yes, we protested Obama as deported-in-chief, and he laid the basis for Trump’s “wall” rhetoric), women (witch hunt at State Dept), science (witch hunt at EPA), etc. etc.. Go to www.refusefascism.org and these FAQs on Revolution website for a lot more on why this is needed and possible, NOW. Jay > On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:03, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). > > "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” > > http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die > > —CGE > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: >> >> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org >> >> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. >> >> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. >> >> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. >> >> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. >> >> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >>> >>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >>> >>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >>> >>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >>> >>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>>> >>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org >>>> >>>> Jay >>>> >>>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 16:34:06 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:34:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: > > From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org > > The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. > > Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. > > More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. > > Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. > > This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. > > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >> >> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >> >> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >> >> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>> >>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>> >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 16:55:04 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:55:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. Q.E.D. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: > > From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it > was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org > > The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. > > Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. > > More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. > > Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. > > This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. > > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >> >> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >> >> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >> >> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>> >>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to >>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New >>> York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of >>> people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the >>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people >>> do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get >>> involved! www.refusefascism.org >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>> >> > From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 17:28:35 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 17:28:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trudy Rubin References: <429977955.7792843.1483550915530.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <429977955.7792843.1483550915530@mail.yahoo.com> "The most important factor, however, will be the governing choices made by Trump. The president-elect has made clear he has little interest in the network of post-WWII international political and economic institutions that America created and led for decades. No doubt they need overhaul, but if they crumble, the vacuum will be filled by others, notably China and Russia. Moscow will also be trying to expand its geographical sphere of influence. It will be greatly emboldened if NATO and the EU collapse. But neither prospect seems to dismay Trump, who praises Putin and rejects proof of Russian hack attacks on our elections. (Does he dream of real estate deals in Moscow?) The key to Western democracy's fate in 2017 will be whether, once in office, the president-elect moves to strengthen alliances with democracies in Europe and Asia. If he retreats to the America First stance he embraced in the election, and prefers to pal with Putin rather than Merkel, Western democracy will be in even deeper trouble. So in 2017 watch whether President Trump chooses to defend democratic principles abroad (and at home) or whether he finds such principles irrelevant - and prefers to focus solely on the art of the deal." This respected liberal analyst from the Philadelphia Inquirer, Trudy Rubin, is now being published in the News-Gazette. The concluding comments above personify the liberal perspective on Trump: If he chooses to cooperate with Putin, he is undermining democracy; if he chooses to support NATO and perhaps go to war against Russia, he is supporting democracy. Got that? DG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 17:38:49 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:38:49 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trudy Rubin In-Reply-To: <429977955.7792843.1483550915530@mail.yahoo.com> References: <429977955.7792843.1483550915530.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <429977955.7792843.1483550915530@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: “…defend[ing] democratic principles abroad…” = making sure other countries do what the USG says. Discourse that corrupt can only be mocked. John Pilger wrote before the election, "The tribunes of 'perpetual war’ are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:28 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > "The most important factor, however, will be the governing choices made by Trump. The president-elect has made clear he has little interest in the network of post-WWII international political and economic institutions that America created and led for decades. No doubt they need overhaul, but if they crumble, the vacuum will be filled by others, notably China and Russia. > Moscow will also be trying to expand its geographical sphere of influence. It will be greatly emboldened if NATO and the EU collapse. But neither prospect seems to dismay Trump, who praises Putin and rejects proof of Russian hack attacks on our elections. (Does he dream of real estate deals in Moscow?) > > The key to Western democracy's fate in 2017 will be whether, once in office, the president-elect moves to strengthen alliances with democracies in Europe and Asia. If he retreats to the America First stance he embraced in the election, and prefers to pal with Putin rather than Merkel, Western democracy will be in even deeper trouble. > > So in 2017 watch whether President Trump chooses to defend democratic principles abroad (and at home) or whether he finds such principles irrelevant - and prefers to focus solely on the art of the deal." > > This respected liberal analyst from the Philadelphia Inquirer, Trudy Rubin, is now being published in the News-Gazette. The concluding comments above personify the liberal perspective on Trump: If he chooses to cooperate with Putin, he is undermining democracy; if he chooses to support NATO and perhaps go to war against Russia, he is supporting democracy. > > Got that? > > DG > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 18:03:49 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 12:03:49 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <9A521E76-7A92-4A19-9598-98DEC975ACB9@illinois.edu> The increasing and accelerating inequality of the Obama years is fueled by the Democrats’ trade pacts, from NAFTA to TTIP - which Trump attacked. The vicious war-making of the Obama-Clinton administration - attacking eight countries (Bush only attacked six) and perpetrating “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times,” the drone assassinations, which killed thousands, including US citizens and hundreds of children - was also criticized by Trump, as well as the Obama-Clinton provocations of Russia and China, from Ukraine to the South China Sea, and Hillary’s “no fly zones” (which even the JCS said would produce war with Russia in Syria). Trump is the first major party candidate in 40 years not to pay homage to neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). That’s why the Democrats and the ‘permanent government/deep state’ are working so hysterically to tie him down to Obama’s policies. (Who would have believed that they would have to resort to zombie McCarthyism?) On inequality and war, it’s clear who the 'lesser evil’ was - and why he was elected. —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Jay wrote: > > Donald Trump = less inequality and less war? That’s delusional. And the evidence is now overwhelming. > > As for the Democratic Party, Obama says “we’re all on the same team,” and Clinton admonishes us to “keep an open mind” about this fascist. > This campaign is in “strong opposition” to their ideological message and going up against the interests of all factions of the ruling class at this point, which are “peaceful transition” and salvaging the legitimacy of their thoroughly illegitimate system. To hell with the millions thrown under the bus by Trump/Pence (who Jeremy Scahill correctly describes as soon to be the most powerful Christian fascist in history), here and around the world - Muslims (registry), Mexicans (massive deportations - yes, we protested Obama as deported-in-chief, and he laid the basis for Trump’s “wall” rhetoric), women (witch hunt at State Dept), science (witch hunt at EPA), etc. etc.. > > Go to www.refusefascism.org and these FAQs on Revolution website for a lot more on why this is needed and possible, NOW. > > Jay > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:03, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). >> >> "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” >> >> http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die >> >> —CGE >> >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: >>> >>> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org >>> >>> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. >>> >>> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. >>> >>> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. >>> >>> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. >>> >>> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >>>> >>>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >>>> >>>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >>>> >>>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >>>> >>>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>>>> >>>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org >>>>> >>>>> Jay >>>>> >>>>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 18:58:47 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 18:58:47 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. Etc. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. Q.E.D. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: > > From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it > was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org > > The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. > > Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. > > More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. > > Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. > > This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. > > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >> >> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >> >> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >> >> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>> >>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to >>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New >>> York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of >>> people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the >>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people >>> do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get >>> involved! www.refusefascism.org >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>> >> > From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 19:09:51 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <9A521E76-7A92-4A19-9598-98DEC975ACB9@illinois.edu> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <9A521E76-7A92-4A19-9598-98DEC975ACB9@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <132553567.7886331.1483556991523@mail.yahoo.com> This is a rather wonky submission, but check out Dean Baker's response to Steven Rattner's charts in the NYT this morning. You can link to the NYT through Baker: http://cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/can-t-we-kill-the-deficit-hawk-industry Rattner begins by extolling the economic growth of the past 8 years. But as you move down to charts about the rust belt, it's easy to see why Trump won the election. Baker's comments apropos the deficit call out the dishonesty of liberal criticism of Trump, and reaffirm what appropriate criticism of Trump would be, from a Keynesian perspective. None of this, of course, has anything to do with ridiculous charges that Trump is leading a fascist movement. DG On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 12:04 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: The increasing and accelerating inequality of the Obama years is fueled by the Democrats’ trade pacts, from NAFTA to TTIP - which Trump attacked. The vicious war-making of the Obama-Clinton administration - attacking eight countries (Bush only attacked six) and perpetrating “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times,” the drone assassinations, which killed thousands, including US citizens and hundreds of children - was also criticized by Trump, as well as the Obama-Clinton provocations of Russia and China, from Ukraine to the South China Sea, and Hillary’s “no fly zones” (which even the JCS said would produce war with Russia in Syria). Trump is the first major party candidate in 40 years not to pay homage to neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). That’s why the Democrats and the ‘permanent government/deep state’ are working so hysterically to tie him down to Obama’s policies. (Who would have believed that they would have to resort to zombie McCarthyism?) On inequality and war, it’s clear who the 'lesser evil’ was - and why he was elected. —CGE   On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Jay wrote: Donald Trump = less inequality and less war? That’s delusional. And the evidence is now overwhelming. As for the Democratic Party, Obama says “we’re all on the same team,” and Clinton admonishes us to “keep an open mind” about this fascist. This campaign is in “strong opposition” to their ideological message and going up against the interests of all factions of the ruling class at this point, which are “peaceful transition” and salvaging the legitimacy of their thoroughly illegitimate system. To hell with the millions thrown under the bus by Trump/Pence (who Jeremy Scahill correctly describes as soon to be the most powerful Christian fascist in history), here and around the world - Muslims (registry), Mexicans (massive deportations - yes, we protested Obama as deported-in-chief, and he laid the basis for Trump’s “wall” rhetoric), women (witch hunt at State Dept), science (witch hunt at EPA), etc. etc..  Go to www.refusefascism.org and these FAQs on Revolution website for a lot more on why this is needed and possible, NOW.  Jay  On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:03, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: >From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery.  This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself.                   Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist.  He has put together a regime that will carry out this  program, and worse. This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org Jay <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 19:12:04 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:12:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. Etc. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. Q.E.D. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: > > From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it > was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org > > The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. > > Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. > > More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. > > Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. > > This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. > > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >> >> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >> >> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >> >> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>> >>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to >>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New >>> York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of >>> people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the >>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people >>> do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get >>> involved! www.refusefascism.org >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>> >> > From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 4 19:24:13 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/ https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/ The Weimar Analogy | | | The Weimar Analogy Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies. | | | On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" wrote: And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard  Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and  the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's  last chance to get America into a war with Russia:     It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And Obama and the Dems could still set off US  hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly  can be used to shoot down Russian planes; 2. His Illegal and  Pending  Promise  that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence  except for a DHS/FBI  "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering  intent. 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. Etc. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "...the Dems have always been  hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to  the JFK 1960 Campaign." Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. Q.E.D. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been  hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to  the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily  campaigned for JFK in 1960  and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh  Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School  on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president  ten days later.  Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer  Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898.  Then the Republican administration of President  William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions.  Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy.  But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration  are  threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa  under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect.  Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago:  control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas.  The Bush Jr./ Obama  administrations  have  already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation.  In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration  announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species.  Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend  Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “  It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: > > From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it > was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org > > The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. > > Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery.  This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. > > More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself.                  > > Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist.  He has put together a regime that will carry out this  program, and worse. > > This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. > > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >> >> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >> >> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >> >> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>> >>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to >>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New >>> York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of >>> people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the >>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people >>> do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get >>> involved! www.refusefascism.org >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 19:43:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:43:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard enough, we could do whatever we wanted to do in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. Etc. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. Q.E.D. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: > > From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it > was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org > > The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. > > Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. > > More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. > > Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. > > This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. > > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >> >> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >> >> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >> >> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>> >>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to >>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New >>> York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of >>> people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the >>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people >>> do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get >>> involved! www.refusefascism.org >>> >>> Jay >>> >>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>> >> > From futureup2us at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 19:52:06 2017 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:52:06 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> To say that Trump is a fascist does not inherently mean that Clinton, Obama and all the rest are not war criminals. I recommend this FAQ from World Can’t Wait’s website about the difference: http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/more-categories/120-elections/8934-faq-2-aren-t-they-all-fascists-obama-and-hilary-too Jay > On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:43, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard enough, we could do whatever we wanted to do in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20. > > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: > 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; > 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. > 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. > Etc. > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." > Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. > Q.E.D. > Fab > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM > To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." > Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism > > > Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. > By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. > This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): > “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM > To: Jay > Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). > > "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” > > http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die > > —CGE > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: >> >> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it >> was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org >> >> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. >> >> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. >> >> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. >> >> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. >> >> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >>> >>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >>> >>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >>> >>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >>> >>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>>> >>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to >>>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New >>>> York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of >>>> people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the >>>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people >>>> do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get >>>> involved! www.refusefascism.org >>>> >>>> Jay >>>> >>>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>>> >>> >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 19:58:07 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:58:07 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> Message-ID: For sure Jay. Trump is not a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes and became Accessories After The Fact to their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes Against Peace. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:52 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Estabrook, Carl G ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times To say that Trump is a fascist does not inherently mean that Clinton, Obama and all the rest are not war criminals. I recommend this FAQ from World Can’t Wait’s website about the difference: http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/more-categories/120-elections/8934-faq-2-aren-t-they-all-fascists-obama-and-hilary-too Jay > On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:43, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard enough, we could do whatever we wanted to do in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20. > > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay > > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; peace ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, > Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron > ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory > ; David Swanson ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel > ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; > Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s > Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay > > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; peace ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, > Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron > ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory > ; David Swanson ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel > ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; > Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s > Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: > 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; > 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. > 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. > Etc. > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay > > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; peace ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, > Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron > ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory > ; David Swanson ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel > ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; > Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s > Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." > Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. > Q.E.D. > Fab > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM > To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; Jay > > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; peace ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, > Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron > ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory > ; David Swanson ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel > ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; > Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s > Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." > Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism > > > Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. > By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. > This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): > “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM > To: Jay > Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; peace ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, > Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron > ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory > ; David Swanson ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel > ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; > Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s > Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). > > "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” > > http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die > > —CGE > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: >> >> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it >> was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org >> >> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. >> >> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. >> >> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. >> >> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. >> >> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >>> >>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >>> >>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >>> >>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >>> >>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>>> >>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to >>>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the >>>> New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s >>>> of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the >>>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more >>>> people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get >>>> involved! www.refusefascism.org >>>> >>>> Jay >>>> >>>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>>> >>> >> > From futureup2us at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 20:11:45 2017 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:11:45 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. Jay > On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > For sure Jay. Trump is not a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes and became Accessories After The Fact to their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes Against Peace. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:52 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > To say that Trump is a fascist does not inherently mean that Clinton, Obama and all the rest are not war criminals. > > I recommend this FAQ from World Can’t Wait’s website about the difference: > > http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/more-categories/120-elections/8934-faq-2-aren-t-they-all-fascists-obama-and-hilary-too > > Jay >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:43, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard enough, we could do whatever we wanted to do in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20. >> >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM >> To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay >> >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >> ; peace ; >> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, >> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >> ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >> ; David Swanson ; >> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >> ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; >> Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s >> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: >> It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM >> To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay >> >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >> ; peace ; >> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, >> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >> ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >> ; David Swanson ; >> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >> ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; >> Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s >> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: >> 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; >> 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. >> 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. >> Etc. >> It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. >> >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM >> To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay >> >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >> ; peace ; >> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, >> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >> ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >> ; David Swanson ; >> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >> ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; >> Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s >> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." >> Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. >> Q.E.D. >> Fab >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM >> To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; Jay >> >> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >> ; peace ; >> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, >> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >> ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >> ; David Swanson ; >> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >> ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; >> Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s >> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." >> Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. >> It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. >> Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism >> >> >> Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. >> By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. >> This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): >> “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM >> To: Jay >> Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; >> peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >> ; peace ; >> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, >> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >> ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >> ; David Swanson ; >> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >> ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; >> Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s >> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). >> >> "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” >> >> http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die >> >> —CGE >> >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: >>> >>> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it >>> was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org >>> >>> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. >>> >>> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. >>> >>> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. >>> >>> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. >>> >>> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >>>> >>>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >>>> >>>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >>>> >>>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >>>> >>>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>>>> >>>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to >>>>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the >>>>> New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s >>>>> of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the >>>>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more >>>>> people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get >>>>> involved! www.refusefascism.org >>>>> >>>>> Jay >>>>> >>>>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 20:19:58 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:19:58 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [sf-core] [Peace] Against hysteria In-Reply-To: <0582CEC4-F489-4B69-B9B5-4CA83976C515@illinois.edu> References: <9266CF74-0DF6-4247-8518-094C3328BDA7@illinois.edu> <9F5E5B82-AE31-440B-8B52-869B9895B872@illinois.edu> <39BDD7C6-2B6A-4C12-8CC2-1738048B3F83@illinois.edu> <4BEF5039AB283245B9B22D29042452EB4E1C394E@CITESMBX4.ad.uillinois.edu> <3C0EC175-4771-46D8-85B3-15F2F5E90AFC@illinois.edu> <0582CEC4-F489-4B69-B9B5-4CA83976C515@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <985E5563-78C2-4124-A435-9FC62D21BBF3@illinois.edu> Belden— Certainly it’s right to ‘criticize both sides.’ I assume you would have done so on September 1, 1939, as well. (Those who are tempted not to, should see Nicholson Baker’s “Human Smoke.”) But we’re citizens of only one side and (presumably) can affect what that side does: the war in Syria exists because Obama armed jihadists. Surely we should be calling (as AWARE does) for the withdrawal of all US troops, weapons, and bases from MENA. Do you agree? The poets often get there first: "...As the clever hopes expire Of a low dishonest decade Waves of anger and fear Circulate over the bright And darkened lands of the earth, Obsessing our private lives.... "I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return. "Exiled Thucydides knew All that a speech can say About Democracy, And what dictators do, The elderly rubbish they talk To an apathetic grave; Analysed all in his book, The enlightenment driven away, The habit-forming pain, Mismanagement and grief: We must suffer them all again. "Into this neutral air Where blind skyscrapers use Their full height to proclaim The strength of Collective Man, Each language pours its vain Competitive excuse: But who can live for long In an euphoric dream; Out of the mirror they stare, Imperialism’s face And the international wrong... "All I have is a voice To undo the folded lie, The romantic lie in the brain Of the sensual man-in-the-street And the lie of Authority Whose buildings grope the sky: There is no such thing as the State And no one exists alone; Hunger allows no choice To the citizen or the police; We must love one another or die…” Regards, Carl > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Fields, A Belden wrote: > > I criticize both sides Mort. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: > >> What do you know about the situation in Aleppo, Belden? I suggest you look elsewhere than to the NYT and other main stream media. Perhaps even RN, horror of horrors, or Antiwar.com , etc. . >> Yes the Russians have interests in not having radical Islamists taking over Syria, and were called in by the only legitimate government there, even if you don’t approve of it. Meanwhile the USA, Saudi Arabia, and friends, Israel too, have been supplying weapons, intelligence(?) and funds to the so-called rebels, many/most not even Syrians—instigating the conflict there. Regime change has long been on the table by the U.S. government for Syria, part of our hegemonic outlook. >> Your criticism is perverse. >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:30 PM, 'Fields, A Belden' a-fields at illinois.edu [sf-core] > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Karl, >>> >>> I find it obscene when you say that the Russian air force was in Syria "legally," justifying the hellish nightmare that it unleashed upon the people of Aleppo. This was a war crime of incredible magnitude. Your " anti-war" posture is pure hypocrisy. If other in AWARE share your view, the name should be changed. You are neither anti-war nor anti-racist. Drop the mask. >>> Belden >>> >>> From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net ] on behalf of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net ] >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 AM >>> To: Debra Schrishuhn >>> Cc: Peace Discuss; sf-core; Brussel, Morton K; peace; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net ; Occupy CU >>> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Against hysteria >>> >>> Shouldn’t we pay attention to the policies the Trump administration will follow, more than to his obvious deficiencies of character? >>> >>> The Obama administration is. They’re so afraid Trump will reverse Obama's warmongering policies, they’re rushing to try to lock the new administration into their lethal practices. >>> >>> Example: Obama has waved a restriction on providing shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles to the 'rebels’ in Syria (including al-Qaeda) - an obvious threat to the Russian air force (who, unlike the USAF, are in Syria legally). HRC wanted a no-fly zone, which she was told would lead to war with Russia; Obama is trying to use jihadists for that. >>> >>> The anti-war movement, of which AWARE is a part, should try to give an accurate account of the US government’s war-making, under this administration and the next. >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Debra Schrishuhn > wrote: >>>> >>>> Apparently, Trump's racism, xenophobia, and misogyny are true conservative values that you support? His intention to build a wall to keep brown people out of the US and his embrace of torture and extra-judicial killings don't bother you, Carl? His willingness to ignite trade wars and possibly hot wars with that military he plans to build up are OK? His lack of respect for fellow humans, his pathological tendency to lie or say whatever he thinks will advance him, get him attention -- these character traits are acceptable to you? Not to mention his graft, his bullying, his cruelty, his vindictiveness--these trait are acceptable in a US President or in any human being? >>>> >>>> That you embrace these odious qualities in another says a great deal about you. >>>> >>>> Debra >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:32 PM, "Carl G. Estabrook via Peace" > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have great respect for Richard Wolff, but I wish he’d button his shirt and give us a transcript. >>>>> >>>>> I’ve gotten too old to listen to lectures. —CGE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I must say that it remains to be seen what Trump will do/represent. >>>>>> >>>>>> Aside from his asserted intention to talk to the Russians and emphasize domestic over foreign affairs, his statements relative to China and Cuba and…, with respect to climate change, his coziness with Generals and his expressed intention to increase military spending perhaps by a factor of two, his favoring of “order” (police?) over civil rights, does not lead me to believe the confident remarks of the author who wrote the sentence cited below.This, even leaving aside the various contradictory and ignorant statements he is prone to make.. But yes, he will be a traditionally conservative Republican in favoring the corporate world which he probably knows best and in diverse retrograde social issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> I highly recommend a recent YouTube presentation by economist Richard Wolf on the subject of Trumpenomics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dut6sPW52Q >>>>>> >>>>>> —mkb >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "This is what Trump represents, not radicalism but conservatism in its truest sense, a return to calm after a storm. His policies are amongst the most moderate in recent history. He is anti-interventionist, opposed to the apparatuses that should have been forgotten after the Cold War and his fiscal policies could easily be confused with those of a pre-Goldwater East Coast Republican.” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://theduran.com/putin-trump-new-normalcy/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____ >>> >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> Posted by: "Fields, A Belden" > >>> Reply via web post • Reply to sender  • Reply to group  • Start a New Topic • Messages in this topic (5) >>> Have you tried the highest rated email app? >>> With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. >>> VISIT YOUR GROUP >>> • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use >>> . >>> >>> >>> __,_._,___ >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 20:21:46 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:21:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, once you become a US President you are soon thereafter expected to murder some People of Color in the Third World somewhere. Sort of like getting “blooded” on your first fox hunt—not that I hunt. I can assure you all that on October 28 this Nazi College of Law stank to High Heaven with the Blood of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color—America’s untermensch, The New Jews. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law” “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:12 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Estabrook, Carl G ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For sure Jay. Trump is not a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes and became Accessories After The Fact to their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes Against Peace. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:52 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times To say that Trump is a fascist does not inherently mean that Clinton, Obama and all the rest are not war criminals. I recommend this FAQ from World Can’t Wait’s website about the difference: http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/more-categories/120-elections/8934-faq-2-aren-t-they-all-fascists-obama-and-hilary-too Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:43, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard enough, we could do whatever we wanted to do in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. Etc. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. Q.E.D. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay > wrote: >From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss > wrote: Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org Jay <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 20:33:34 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:33:34 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: On the one side is the first US president - ever - to be at war throughout two presidential terms, although he was elected to bring an end to his predecessor’s wars - which he instead expanded. On the other side is his successor, who criticized that war-making. Now the former and his supporters are working desperately to lock the latter into war-making. We should be supporting Trump's anti-war asseverations - and hope he wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay wrote: > > Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. > > One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: > > Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. > > Jay > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: >> >> For sure Jay. Trump is not a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes and became Accessories After The Fact to their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes Against Peace. >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com ] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:52 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A > >> Cc: Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net ; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu ; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com ; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net ; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com ; mickalideh at gmail.com ; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net ; David Green > >> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >> >> To say that Trump is a fascist does not inherently mean that Clinton, Obama and all the rest are not war criminals. >> >> I recommend this FAQ from World Can’t Wait’s website about the difference: >> >> http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/more-categories/120-elections/8934-faq-2-aren-t-they-all-fascists-obama-and-hilary-too >> >> Jay >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:43, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard enough, we could do whatever we wanted to do in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20. >>> >>> Fab >>> Ed Norton Professor of Law >>> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >>> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Boyle, Francis A >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM >>> To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay >>> >>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >>> ; peace ; >>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, >>> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >>> ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >>> ; David Swanson ; >>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >>> ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; >>> Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net >>> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s >>> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >>> >>> And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: >>> It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. >>> Fab >>> Ed Norton Professor of Law >>> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >>> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >>> >>> >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Boyle, Francis A >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM >>> To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay >>> >>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >>> ; peace ; >>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, >>> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >>> ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >>> ; David Swanson ; >>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >>> ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; >>> Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net >>> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s >>> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >>> >>> And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: >>> 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; >>> 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. >>> 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. >>> Etc. >>> It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. >>> >>> Fab >>> Ed Norton Professor of Law >>> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >>> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >>> >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Boyle, Francis A >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM >>> To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay >>> >>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >>> ; peace ; >>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, >>> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >>> ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >>> ; David Swanson ; >>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >>> ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; >>> Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net >>> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s >>> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >>> >>> "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." >>> Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. >>> Q.E.D. >>> Fab >>> >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Boyle, Francis A >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM >>> To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; Jay >>> >>> Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >>> ; peace ; >>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, >>> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >>> ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >>> ; David Swanson ; >>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >>> ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; >>> Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net >>> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s >>> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >>> >>> "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." >>> Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. >>> It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. >>> Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism >>> >>> >>> Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. >>> By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. >>> This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): >>> “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. >>> >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM >>> To: Jay >>> Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; >>> peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >>> ; peace ; >>> a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, >>> Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron >>> ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >>> ; David Swanson ; >>> peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >>> ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; >>> Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net >>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s >>> Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times >>> >>> An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). >>> >>> "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” >>> >>> http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: >>>> >>>> From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it >>>> was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org >>>> >>>> The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. >>>> >>>> Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. >>>> >>>> More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. >>>> >>>> Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. >>>> >>>> This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” >>>>> >>>>> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ >>>>> >>>>> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": >>>>> >>>>> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map >>>>> >>>>> —CGE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? >>>>>> >>>>>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to >>>>>> accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the >>>>>> New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s >>>>>> of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the >>>>>> country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more >>>>>> people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get >>>>>> involved! www.refusefascism.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Jay >>>>>> >>>>>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 20:39:17 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:39:17 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: ..and hope he wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. Yeah, Obama and I had the same Jurisprudence Teacher at Harvard Law School, Roberto Unger, Founder of the Critical Legal Studies Movement. As Roberto has repeatedly stated in public, including on the BBC Hardtalk: “Obama is a disaster!” And this Illinois Nazi Law School is a disaster too! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:34 PM To: Jay Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times On the one side is the first US president - ever - to be at war throughout two presidential terms, although he was elected to bring an end to his predecessor’s wars - which he instead expanded. On the other side is his successor, who criticized that war-making. Now the former and his supporters are working desperately to lock the latter into war-making. We should be supporting Trump's anti-war asseverations - and hope he wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay > wrote: Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For sure Jay. Trump is not a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes and became Accessories After The Fact to their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes Against Peace. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:52 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times To say that Trump is a fascist does not inherently mean that Clinton, Obama and all the rest are not war criminals. I recommend this FAQ from World Can’t Wait’s website about the difference: http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/more-categories/120-elections/8934-faq-2-aren-t-they-all-fascists-obama-and-hilary-too Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:43, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard enough, we could do whatever we wanted to do in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. Etc. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. Q.E.D. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay > wrote: >From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss > wrote: Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org Jay <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 20:50:08 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:50:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: “(My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.)” JFK was not there. But it was a typical Dems Barnstorming Tour by airplane. Fab. The Kennedy Kool Aid NPR reports Maliki is not going but resisting. Shades of the Diem Brothers under Kennedy When I was a young boy I used to drink the Kennedy Kool Aid But not after the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 I thought Kennedy was insane Risking World War III I never drank the Obama Kool Aid So many still do When Obama risks WW3 Stoly on the Rocks in Ukraine? Or Arak hot in Iraq? Maybe Saki in the South China Sea? Anything could set this off Shades of Sarajevo 1914 Sarajevska Pivara in Srebrenica? Been there too. And Dachau and Stalingrad Which will it be? Contemplating World War III Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:39 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green ; 'Karen Aram' ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times ..and hope he wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. Yeah, Obama and I had the same Jurisprudence Teacher at Harvard Law School, Roberto Unger, Founder of the Critical Legal Studies Movement. As Roberto has repeatedly stated in public, including on the BBC Hardtalk: “Obama is a disaster!” And this Illinois Nazi Law School is a disaster too! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:34 PM To: Jay > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times On the one side is the first US president - ever - to be at war throughout two presidential terms, although he was elected to bring an end to his predecessor’s wars - which he instead expanded. On the other side is his successor, who criticized that war-making. Now the former and his supporters are working desperately to lock the latter into war-making. We should be supporting Trump's anti-war asseverations - and hope he wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay > wrote: Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For sure Jay. Trump is not a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes and became Accessories After The Fact to their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes Against Peace. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:52 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times To say that Trump is a fascist does not inherently mean that Clinton, Obama and all the rest are not war criminals. I recommend this FAQ from World Can’t Wait’s website about the difference: http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/more-categories/120-elections/8934-faq-2-aren-t-they-all-fascists-obama-and-hilary-too Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:43, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard enough, we could do whatever we wanted to do in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. Etc. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. Q.E.D. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay > wrote: >From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss > wrote: Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org Jay <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 20:59:09 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:59:09 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> These are important articles. Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism. Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design. But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future. Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist. —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green wrote: > > I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes: > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/ > > The Weimar Analogy > > The Weimar Analogy > Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies. > > > > > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" wrote: > > > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 21:07:01 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 21:07:01 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, a Terrorist Extermination Campaign against Thousands of Completely Innocent Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color that was fully endorsed by this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty when they invited Killer Koh to come in here on October 28 in order to Campaign to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President on November 8. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it will only prove to be a Stay of Execution. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:59 PM To: David Green Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; Jay ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; peace ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times These are important articles. Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism. Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design. But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future. Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist. —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green wrote: > > I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes: > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/ > > The Weimar Analogy > > The Weimar Analogy > Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies. > > > > > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" wrote: > > > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > From niloofar.peace at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 21:45:37 2017 From: niloofar.peace at gmail.com (Niloofar Shambayati) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:45:37 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D__Inside_Trump_Defense_Secre?= =?utf-8?q?tary_Pick=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_Yo?= =?utf-8?q?rk_Times?= In-Reply-To: <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Although I appreciate the exchange of ideas about who's worse for America and the rest of the world, I believe that the Peace-List is not an appropriate medium for that. Those who're interested can always go to the Peace-Discuss list. Thanks! Niloofar Shambayati On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment > to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by > criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). > > "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge > the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being > waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for > over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of > social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for > two terms.” > > http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die > > —CGE > > > > > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay wrote: > > > > From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was > drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org > > > > The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. > > > > Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by > 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in > 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of > Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and > Pence. > > > > More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence > regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and > an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. > > > > Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously > attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, > closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – > nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, > openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and > whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is > a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly > advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court > with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He > denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation > on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up > his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for > constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and > the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of > law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, > not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump > is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this > program, and worse. > > > > This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and > momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. > > > > > > > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: > >> > >> "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of > comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” > >> > >> https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ > >> > >> "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": > >> > >> http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map > >> > >> —CGE > >> > >> > >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of > this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is > SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? > >>> > >>> On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to > accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York > Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people > signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be > publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you > haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org > >>> > >>> Jay > >>> > >>> <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> > >>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 21:55:53 2017 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:55:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D__Inside_Trump_Defense_Secre?= =?utf-8?q?tary_Pick=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_Yo?= =?utf-8?q?rk_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: On the one side is the first US president - ever - to be at war throughout > two presidential terms, although he was elected to bring an end to his > predecessor’s wars - which he instead expanded. > > On the other side is his successor, who criticized that war-making. > > Now the former and his supporters are working desperately to lock the > latter into war-making. > > We should be supporting Trump's anti-war asseverations - and hope he > wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. > A hope devoutly to be wished, but hardly grounded in any sort of objective, empirical reality. > —CGE > > > On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay wrote: > > Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a > predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be > a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. > > One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and > differences among them: > > Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the > Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. > > > Jay > > On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > For sure Jay. Trump is not a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer > Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously > endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes and became Accessories > After The Fact to their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes > Against Peace. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone) > 217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 21:58:33 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 21:58:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it will only prove to be a Stay of Execution. ------------------------------- Several years ago, I agreed to represent pro bono publico a Black Man on Florida's Death Row on the verge of execution by Jebbie Bush. About 10 minutes before the execution time, I got a call from the Death Penalty Clerk at the US Supreme Court telling me that my Client had been granted a Temporary Stay of Execution by the Court. So I sat around my office imagining the mental torture that my Client was going through being kept in the Holding Cell right outside of Florida's execution chamber. 90 minutes later, I got a call from the USSC DP Clerk saying that the Court had lifted my Client's Stay of Execution. The "Catholic/Christian" Jebbie Bush then tortured my Black Client to Death. RIP. (We dodged a bullet when Trump defeated Torturer Jebbie too--Good riddance to him and All the Bushies!.) I guess I feel the same way today. Sure we dodged a bullet on November 8 when Killers Clinton/Koh and the Warmongering Dems went down to defeat. But how much more time do we really have? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 3:07 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; David Green Cc: Jay ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; peace ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Karen Aram ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; David Green ; David Johnson Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, a Terrorist Extermination Campaign against Thousands of Completely Innocent Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color that was fully endorsed by this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty when they invited Killer Koh to come in here on October 28 in order to Campaign to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President on November 8. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it will only prove to be a Stay of Execution. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:59 PM To: David Green Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; Jay ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; peace ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times These are important articles. Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism. Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design. But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future. Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist. —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green wrote: > > I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes: > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/ > > The Weimar Analogy > > The Weimar Analogy > Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies. > > > > > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" wrote: > > > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > From davidcnswanson at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 21:58:52 2017 From: davidcnswanson at gmail.com (David Swanson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:58:52 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D__Inside_Trump_Defense_Secre?= =?utf-8?q?tary_Pick=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_Yo?= =?utf-8?q?rk_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Delighted to denounce Obama at length but that longest-at-war thing really depends on viewing Native Americans as not real people and the wars on them as not real. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 4:55 PM, John W. wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > On the one side is the first US president - ever - to be at war throughout >> two presidential terms, although he was elected to bring an end to his >> predecessor’s wars - which he instead expanded. >> >> On the other side is his successor, who criticized that war-making. >> >> Now the former and his supporters are working desperately to lock the >> latter into war-making. >> >> We should be supporting Trump's anti-war asseverations - and hope he >> wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. >> > > A hope devoutly to be wished, but hardly grounded in any sort of > objective, empirical reality. > > > >> —CGE >> >> >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay wrote: >> >> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a >> predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be >> a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. >> >> One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and >> differences among them: >> >> Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the >> Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. >> >> >> Jay >> >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> For sure Jay. Trump is not a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer >> Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously >> endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes and became Accessories >> After The Fact to their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes >> Against Peace. >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone) >> 217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> -- *David Swanson *is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include *War Is A Lie *. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org . He hosts Talk Nation Radio . He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 22:02:36 2017 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:02:36 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D__Inside_Trump_Defense_Secre?= =?utf-8?q?tary_Pick=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_Yo?= =?utf-8?q?rk_Times?= In-Reply-To: <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: These are important articles. > > Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should > consider militarism. Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were > militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by > design. > AFTER they had first secured and consolidated their virtually absolute power in their countries of origin. > But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, > past and future. > If I remember correctly, Hitler was a "peace candidate" too, in the beginning. He was a master of propaganda, with the able assistance of Goebbels. Meanwhile he let his brownshirts do his dirty work for him in the streets. Sound at all familiar? > Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar > Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the > last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the > world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed > more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first > US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential > terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he > is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed > thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of > children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and > more. > > I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But > Trump wasn’t the fascist. — Not quite yet. > CGE > > > > > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green wrote: > > > > I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of > Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, > that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy > is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes: > > > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ > > > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder- > bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/ > > > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black- > earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/ > > > > The Weimar Analogy > > > > The Weimar Analogy > > Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' > antidemocratic fantasies. > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via > Peace-discuss" wrote: > > > > > > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between > now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski > since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program > at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate > School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD > Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe > who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last > chance to get America into a war with Russia: > > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, > Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign > policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the > First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords > of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > > Fab > > Ed Norton Professor of Law > > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > > > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > Law Building > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Wed Jan 4 22:12:46 2017 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:12:46 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [sf-core] Against hysteria In-Reply-To: <985E5563-78C2-4124-A435-9FC62D21BBF3@illinois.edu> References: <9266CF74-0DF6-4247-8518-094C3328BDA7@illinois.edu> <9F5E5B82-AE31-440B-8B52-869B9895B872@illinois.edu> <39BDD7C6-2B6A-4C12-8CC2-1738048B3F83@illinois.edu> <4BEF5039AB283245B9B22D29042452EB4E1C394E@CITESMBX4.ad.uillinois.edu> <3C0EC175-4771-46D8-85B3-15F2F5E90AFC@illinois.edu> <0582CEC4-F489-4B69-B9B5-4CA83976C515@illinois.edu> <985E5563-78C2-4124-A435-9FC62D21BBF3@illinois.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: Belden— > > Certainly it’s right to ‘criticize both sides.’ I assume you would have > done so on September 1, 1939, as well. > > (Those who are tempted not to, should see Nicholson Baker’s “Human > Smoke.”) > > But we’re citizens of only one side and (presumably) can affect what that > side does: the war in Syria exists because Obama armed jihadists. > > Surely we should be calling (as AWARE does) for the withdrawal of all US > troops, weapons, and bases from MENA. Do you agree? > > The poets often get there first: > Unfortunately they're never the decision-makers. :-( Since there's no attribution, I presume this is your own composition, Carl? It's quite excellent! > > "...As the clever hopes expire > Of a low dishonest decade > Waves of anger and fear > Circulate over the bright > And darkened lands of the earth, > Obsessing our private lives.... > > "I and the public know > What all schoolchildren learn, > Those to whom evil is done > Do evil in return. > > "Exiled Thucydides knew > All that a speech can say > About Democracy, > And what dictators do, > The elderly rubbish they talk > To an apathetic grave; > Analysed all in his book, > The enlightenment driven away, > The habit-forming pain, > Mismanagement and grief: > We must suffer them all again. > > "Into this neutral air > Where blind skyscrapers use > Their full height to proclaim > The strength of Collective Man, > Each language pours its vain > Competitive excuse: > But who can live for long > In an euphoric dream; > Out of the mirror they stare, > Imperialism’s face > And the international wrong... > > "All I have is a voice > To undo the folded lie, > The romantic lie in the brain > Of the sensual man-in-the-street > And the lie of Authority > Whose buildings grope the sky: > There is no such thing as the State > And no one exists alone; > Hunger allows no choice > To the citizen or the police; > We must love one another or die…” > > Regards, Carl > > > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Fields, A Belden > wrote: > > I criticize both sides Mort. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: > > What do you know about the situation in Aleppo, Belden? I suggest you > look elsewhere than to the NYT and other main stream media. Perhaps even > RN, horror of horrors, or Antiwar.com , etc. . > Yes the Russians have interests in not having radical Islamists taking > over Syria, and were called in by the only legitimate government there, > even if you don’t approve of it. Meanwhile the USA, Saudi Arabia, and > friends, Israel too, have been supplying weapons, intelligence(?) and funds > to the so-called rebels, many/most not even Syrians—instigating the > conflict there. Regime change has long been on the table by the U.S. > government for Syria, part of our hegemonic outlook. > Your criticism is perverse. > > On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:30 PM, 'Fields, A Belden' a-fields at illinois.edu > [sf-core] wrote: > > > Karl, > > I find it obscene when you say that the Russian air force was in Syria > "legally," justifying the hellish nightmare that it unleashed upon the > people of Aleppo. This was a war crime of incredible magnitude. Your " > anti-war" posture is pure hypocrisy. If other in AWARE share your view, the > name should be changed. You are neither anti-war nor anti-racist. Drop > the mask. > Belden > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] on behalf of Carl G. > Estabrook via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net] > *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 AM > *To:* Debra Schrishuhn > *Cc:* Peace Discuss; sf-core; Brussel, Morton K; peace; > prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Occupy CU > *Subject:* Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Against hysteria > > Shouldn’t we pay attention to the policies the Trump administration will > follow, more than to his obvious deficiencies of character? > > The Obama administration is. They’re so afraid Trump will reverse Obama's > warmongering policies, they’re rushing to try to lock the new > administration into their lethal practices. > > Example: Obama has waved a restriction on providing shoulder-launched > surface-to-air missiles to the 'rebels’ in Syria (including al-Qaeda) - an > obvious threat to the Russian air force (who, unlike the USAF, are in Syria > legally). HRC wanted a no-fly zone, which she was told would lead to war > with Russia; Obama is trying to use jihadists for that. > > The anti-war movement, of which AWARE is a part, should try to give an > accurate account of the US government’s war-making, under this > administration and the next. > > —CGE > > > On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Debra Schrishuhn > wrote: > > Apparently, Trump's racism, xenophobia, and misogyny are true conservative > values that you support? His intention to build a wall to keep brown people > out of the US and his embrace of torture and extra-judicial killings don't > bother you, Carl? His willingness to ignite trade wars and possibly hot > wars with that military he plans to build up are OK? His lack of respect > for fellow humans, his pathological tendency to lie or say whatever he > thinks will advance him, get him attention -- these character traits are > acceptable to you? Not to mention his graft, his bullying, his cruelty, his > vindictiveness--these trait are acceptable in a US President or in any > human being? > > That you embrace these odious qualities in another says a great deal about > you. > > Debra > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 22:17:38 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:17:38 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D__Inside_Trump_Defense_Secre?= =?utf-8?q?tary_Pick=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Time?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <947D2B3E-D5C8-45AD-8919-257D55B8C13C@illinois.edu> Neither Hitler nor Mussolini had absolute power when they launched their foreign adventures. Mobilizing for a foreign war is a popular way to suppress internal opposition (cf. Eugene Debs et al.) During the war the Nazis were apparently forced to many expedients to keep down popular discontent; it was never a popular war. In the US today, 'fascist’ is a polemical - not an analytic - term. —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 4:02 PM, John W. wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: > > These are important articles. > > Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism. Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design. > > AFTER they had first secured and consolidated their virtually absolute power in their countries of origin. > > > But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future. > > If I remember correctly, Hitler was a "peace candidate" too, in the beginning. He was a master of propaganda, with the able assistance of Goebbels. Meanwhile he let his brownshirts do his dirty work for him in the streets. Sound at all familiar? > > > Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. > > I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist. — > > Not quite yet. > > > CGE > > > > > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green > wrote: > > > > I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes: > > > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ > > > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/ > > > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/ > > > > The Weimar Analogy > > > > The Weimar Analogy > > Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies. > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" > wrote: > > > > > > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: > > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > > Fab > > Ed Norton Professor of Law > > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > > > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > Law Building > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 22:32:03 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:32:03 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [sf-core] Against hysteria In-Reply-To: References: <9266CF74-0DF6-4247-8518-094C3328BDA7@illinois.edu> <9F5E5B82-AE31-440B-8B52-869B9895B872@illinois.edu> <39BDD7C6-2B6A-4C12-8CC2-1738048B3F83@illinois.edu> <4BEF5039AB283245B9B22D29042452EB4E1C394E@CITESMBX4.ad.uillinois.edu> <3C0EC175-4771-46D8-85B3-15F2F5E90AFC@illinois.edu> <0582CEC4-F489-4B69-B9B5-4CA83976C515@illinois.edu> <985E5563-78C2-4124-A435-9FC62D21BBF3@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I’m absolutely charmed that you could think so, John. It’s part of W. H. Auden’s “September 1, 1939” - on my mind from the first line of my comment to Belden. In 'The Defence of Poetry’ (1821), Shelley claimed that "poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world.” I admit the evidence for the claim is weak, but I’ve been reading "Childe Harold's Pilgrimage” to my new granddaughter - and now think I should switch to Shelley, viz. “...Rise, like lions after slumber In unvanquishable number! Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you: Ye are many—they are few!" ("The Masque of Anarchy" is a British political poem written in 1819 by Percy Bysshe Shelley following the Peterloo Massacre of that year. In his call for freedom, it is perhaps the first modern statement of the principle of nonviolent resistance. [Wikipedia]) —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 4:12 PM, John W. wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: > > Belden— > > Certainly it’s right to ‘criticize both sides.’ I assume you would have done so on September 1, 1939, as well. > > (Those who are tempted not to, should see Nicholson Baker’s “Human Smoke.”) > > But we’re citizens of only one side and (presumably) can affect what that side does: the war in Syria exists because Obama armed jihadists. > > Surely we should be calling (as AWARE does) for the withdrawal of all US troops, weapons, and bases from MENA. Do you agree? > > The poets often get there first: > > > Unfortunately they're never the decision-makers. :-( > > Since there's no attribution, I presume this is your own composition, Carl? It's quite excellent! > > > > > "...As the clever hopes expire > Of a low dishonest decade > Waves of anger and fear > Circulate over the bright > And darkened lands of the earth, > Obsessing our private lives.... > > "I and the public know > What all schoolchildren learn, > Those to whom evil is done > Do evil in return. > > "Exiled Thucydides knew > All that a speech can say > About Democracy, > And what dictators do, > The elderly rubbish they talk > To an apathetic grave; > Analysed all in his book, > The enlightenment driven away, > The habit-forming pain, > Mismanagement and grief: > We must suffer them all again. > > "Into this neutral air > Where blind skyscrapers use > Their full height to proclaim > The strength of Collective Man, > Each language pours its vain > Competitive excuse: > But who can live for long > In an euphoric dream; > Out of the mirror they stare, > Imperialism’s face > And the international wrong... > > "All I have is a voice > To undo the folded lie, > The romantic lie in the brain > Of the sensual man-in-the-street > And the lie of Authority > Whose buildings grope the sky: > There is no such thing as the State > And no one exists alone; > Hunger allows no choice > To the citizen or the police; > We must love one another or die…” > > Regards, Carl > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Fields, A Belden > wrote: >> >> I criticize both sides Mort. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: >> >>> What do you know about the situation in Aleppo, Belden? I suggest you look elsewhere than to the NYT and other main stream media. Perhaps even RN, horror of horrors, or Antiwar.com , etc. . >>> Yes the Russians have interests in not having radical Islamists taking over Syria, and were called in by the only legitimate government there, even if you don’t approve of it. Meanwhile the USA, Saudi Arabia, and friends, Israel too, have been supplying weapons, intelligence(?) and funds to the so-called rebels, many/most not even Syrians—instigating the conflict there. Regime change has long been on the table by the U.S. government for Syria, part of our hegemonic outlook. >>> Your criticism is perverse. >>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:30 PM, 'Fields, A Belden' a-fields at illinois.edu [sf-core] > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Karl, >>>> >>>> I find it obscene when you say that the Russian air force was in Syria "legally," justifying the hellish nightmare that it unleashed upon the people of Aleppo. This was a war crime of incredible magnitude. Your " anti-war" posture is pure hypocrisy. If other in AWARE share your view, the name should be changed. You are neither anti-war nor anti-racist. Drop the mask. >>>> Belden >>>> >>>> From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net ] on behalf of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net ] >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 AM >>>> To: Debra Schrishuhn >>>> Cc: Peace Discuss; sf-core; Brussel, Morton K; peace; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net ; Occupy CU >>>> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Against hysteria >>>> >>>> Shouldn’t we pay attention to the policies the Trump administration will follow, more than to his obvious deficiencies of character? >>>> >>>> The Obama administration is. They’re so afraid Trump will reverse Obama's warmongering policies, they’re rushing to try to lock the new administration into their lethal practices. >>>> >>>> Example: Obama has waved a restriction on providing shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles to the 'rebels’ in Syria (including al-Qaeda) - an obvious threat to the Russian air force (who, unlike the USAF, are in Syria legally). HRC wanted a no-fly zone, which she was told would lead to war with Russia; Obama is trying to use jihadists for that. >>>> >>>> The anti-war movement, of which AWARE is a part, should try to give an accurate account of the US government’s war-making, under this administration and the next. >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Debra Schrishuhn > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Apparently, Trump's racism, xenophobia, and misogyny are true conservative values that you support? His intention to build a wall to keep brown people out of the US and his embrace of torture and extra-judicial killings don't bother you, Carl? His willingness to ignite trade wars and possibly hot wars with that military he plans to build up are OK? His lack of respect for fellow humans, his pathological tendency to lie or say whatever he thinks will advance him, get him attention -- these character traits are acceptable to you? Not to mention his graft, his bullying, his cruelty, his vindictiveness--these trait are acceptable in a US President or in any human being? >>>>> >>>>> That you embrace these odious qualities in another says a great deal about you. >>>>> >>>>> Debra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 22:53:09 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 22:53:09 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And for the record, after November 9 we here in this CU Peace Community organized against Trump to get Urbana re-affirmed as a Sanctuary City on December 19--and this time for ALL Undocumented. And the only Sanctuary City south of Chicago. Meanwhile, since November 9 the Dems and many of the Greens have spent their time warmongering against Russia and are still doing so. Pathetic! As is the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 3:59 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; David Green Cc: Jay ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; peace ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Karen Aram ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; David Green ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it will only prove to be a Stay of Execution. ------------------------------- Several years ago, I agreed to represent pro bono publico a Black Man on Florida's Death Row on the verge of execution by Jebbie Bush. About 10 minutes before the execution time, I got a call from the Death Penalty Clerk at the US Supreme Court telling me that my Client had been granted a Temporary Stay of Execution by the Court. So I sat around my office imagining the mental torture that my Client was going through being kept in the Holding Cell right outside of Florida's execution chamber. 90 minutes later, I got a call from the USSC DP Clerk saying that the Court had lifted my Client's Stay of Execution. The "Catholic/Christian" Jebbie Bush then tortured my Black Client to Death. RIP. (We dodged a bullet when Trump defeated Torturer Jebbie too--Good riddance to him and All the Bushies!.) I guess I feel the same way today. Sure we dodged a bullet on November 8 when Killers Clinton/Koh and the Warmongering Dems went down to defeat. But how much more time do we really have? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 3:07 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; David Green Cc: Jay ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; peace ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Karen Aram ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; David Green ; David Johnson Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, a Terrorist Extermination Campaign against Thousands of Completely Innocent Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color that was fully endorsed by this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty when they invited Killer Koh to come in here on October 28 in order to Campaign to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President on November 8. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it will only prove to be a Stay of Execution. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:59 PM To: David Green Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; Jay ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; peace ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times These are important articles. Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism. Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design. But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future. Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist. —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green wrote: > > I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes: > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/ > > The Weimar Analogy > > The Weimar Analogy > Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies. > > > > > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" wrote: > > > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 22:55:24 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 22:55:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Way to go, O! fab. Carter, Dunford Honor Obama at Farwell Ceremony 01/03/2017 11:00 PM CST Defense Secretary Ash Carter and Marine Corps Gen. Joe Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, host an armed forces full honors review farewell ceremony in honor of President Barack Obama at Joint Base Myer-Henderson Hall, Va., Jan. 4, 2017. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 4:53 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; David Green Cc: Jay ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; peace ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Karen Aram ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; David Green ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And for the record, after November 9 we here in this CU Peace Community organized against Trump to get Urbana re-affirmed as a Sanctuary City on December 19--and this time for ALL Undocumented. And the only Sanctuary City south of Chicago. Meanwhile, since November 9 the Dems and many of the Greens have spent their time warmongering against Russia and are still doing so. Pathetic! As is the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 3:59 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; David Green Cc: Jay ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; peace ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Karen Aram ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; David Green ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it will only prove to be a Stay of Execution. ------------------------------- Several years ago, I agreed to represent pro bono publico a Black Man on Florida's Death Row on the verge of execution by Jebbie Bush. About 10 minutes before the execution time, I got a call from the Death Penalty Clerk at the US Supreme Court telling me that my Client had been granted a Temporary Stay of Execution by the Court. So I sat around my office imagining the mental torture that my Client was going through being kept in the Holding Cell right outside of Florida's execution chamber. 90 minutes later, I got a call from the USSC DP Clerk saying that the Court had lifted my Client's Stay of Execution. The "Catholic/Christian" Jebbie Bush then tortured my Black Client to Death. RIP. (We dodged a bullet when Trump defeated Torturer Jebbie too--Good riddance to him and All the Bushies!.) I guess I feel the same way today. Sure we dodged a bullet on November 8 when Killers Clinton/Koh and the Warmongering Dems went down to defeat. But how much more time do we really have? Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 3:07 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; David Green Cc: Jay ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; peace ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Karen Aram ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; David Green ; David Johnson Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, a Terrorist Extermination Campaign against Thousands of Completely Innocent Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color that was fully endorsed by this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty when they invited Killer Koh to come in here on October 28 in order to Campaign to get his Client Killer Clinton elected President on November 8. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it will only prove to be a Stay of Execution. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:59 PM To: David Green Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; Jay ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; peace ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Dave Trippel ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times These are important articles. Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism. Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design. But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future. Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist. —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green wrote: > > I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes: > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/ > > The Weimar Analogy > > The Weimar Analogy > Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies. > > > > > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" wrote: > > > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 4 23:12:06 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 23:12:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: I never drank the Obama Kool Aid Not that I was smarter than anyone else. But I went to the University of Chicago for college and lived in Hyde Park periodically over the years. So I had Friends up there who warned me AGAINST Obama—he could not be trusted! So I never drank the Obama Kool Aid. I never voted for Obama as President. I did vote for Obama for the US Senate—but only as an alternative to my Harvard PHD Classmate Alan Keyes—A Straussian Neo-Con. Obama was The Lesser of Two Evils—as I saw it at that time. I did not make that mistake again. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:50 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' ; 'Jay' Cc: 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'peace' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'David Green' ; 'Karen Aram' ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times “(My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.)” JFK was not there. But it was a typical Dems Barnstorming Tour by airplane. Fab. The Kennedy Kool Aid NPR reports Maliki is not going but resisting. Shades of the Diem Brothers under Kennedy When I was a young boy I used to drink the Kennedy Kool Aid But not after the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 I thought Kennedy was insane Risking World War III I never drank the Obama Kool Aid So many still do When Obama risks WW3 Stoly on the Rocks in Ukraine? Or Arak hot in Iraq? Maybe Saki in the South China Sea? Anything could set this off Shades of Sarajevo 1914 Sarajevska Pivara in Srebrenica? Been there too. And Dachau and Stalingrad Which will it be? Contemplating World War III Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:39 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green >; 'Karen Aram' >; Mildred O'brien > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times ..and hope he wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. Yeah, Obama and I had the same Jurisprudence Teacher at Harvard Law School, Roberto Unger, Founder of the Critical Legal Studies Movement. As Roberto has repeatedly stated in public, including on the BBC Hardtalk: “Obama is a disaster!” And this Illinois Nazi Law School is a disaster too! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:34 PM To: Jay > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times On the one side is the first US president - ever - to be at war throughout two presidential terms, although he was elected to bring an end to his predecessor’s wars - which he instead expanded. On the other side is his successor, who criticized that war-making. Now the former and his supporters are working desperately to lock the latter into war-making. We should be supporting Trump's anti-war asseverations - and hope he wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay > wrote: Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For sure Jay. Trump is not a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes and became Accessories After The Fact to their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes Against Peace. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:52 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times To say that Trump is a fascist does not inherently mean that Clinton, Obama and all the rest are not war criminals. I recommend this FAQ from World Can’t Wait’s website about the difference: http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/more-categories/120-elections/8934-faq-2-aren-t-they-all-fascists-obama-and-hilary-too Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:43, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard enough, we could do whatever we wanted to do in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. Etc. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. Q.E.D. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay > wrote: >From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss > wrote: Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org Jay <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 4 23:16:28 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 23:16:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] [sf-core] Against hysteria In-Reply-To: References: <9266CF74-0DF6-4247-8518-094C3328BDA7@illinois.edu> <9F5E5B82-AE31-440B-8B52-869B9895B872@illinois.edu> <39BDD7C6-2B6A-4C12-8CC2-1738048B3F83@illinois.edu> <4BEF5039AB283245B9B22D29042452EB4E1C394E@CITESMBX4.ad.uillinois.edu> <3C0EC175-4771-46D8-85B3-15F2F5E90AFC@illinois.edu> <0582CEC4-F489-4B69-B9B5-4CA83976C515@illinois.edu> <985E5563-78C2-4124-A435-9FC62D21BBF3@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Control, partition, destruction, of Syria, is the goal of the West. US, Saudi, Qatar, England, France, Turkey, as long as regime change is achieved. Putin cannot allow that to take place, because he knows the next step is Iran. Congress is already attempting to reverse the Obama nuclear deal, returning to the previous sanctions, Putin knows that after Iran, Russia is next. It’s the US long term game plan. Nothing will be gained at the Geneva Peace Talks, as the West will never give up “Assad must go”. Syria’s survival unfortunately depends on the battlefield. The foreign Jihadists must go. The Pentagon or Trump’s Advisors know that taking on Russia and China at the same time, is suicide, so I don’t see any plus for Trump, merely a tactic or strategy, that of rapprochement with Russia in order to drive a wedge between Russia and China. Time is on China’s side so Trump’s handlers have already insisted he take on China now. Eradicating the “One China Policy” is the beginning. Right now, we need to be vigilant in respect to the Obama Administration, as he continue’s to send troops to the MENA, and Eastern Europe as Nato continues the provocations against Russia. Yes, once Trump is in power, we need to be very proactive in respect to not just his foreign policy, but based upon his Cabinet appointments, domestic policy. He is continuing the policies of austerity and war promoted by the Obama Administration, only now using a hammer, rather than a smile. On Jan 4, 2017, at 14:32, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: I’m absolutely charmed that you could think so, John. It’s part of W. H. Auden’s “September 1, 1939” - on my mind from the first line of my comment to Belden. In 'The Defence of Poetry’ (1821), Shelley claimed that "poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world.” I admit the evidence for the claim is weak, but I’ve been reading "Childe Harold's Pilgrimage” to my new granddaughter - and now think I should switch to Shelley, viz. “...Rise, like lions after slumber In unvanquishable number! Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you: Ye are many—they are few!" ("The Masque of Anarchy" is a British political poem written in 1819 by Percy Bysshe Shelley following the Peterloo Massacre of that year. In his call for freedom, it is perhaps the first modern statement of the principle of nonviolent resistance. [Wikipedia]) —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 4:12 PM, John W. > wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: Belden— Certainly it’s right to ‘criticize both sides.’ I assume you would have done so on September 1, 1939, as well. (Those who are tempted not to, should see Nicholson Baker’s “Human Smoke.”) But we’re citizens of only one side and (presumably) can affect what that side does: the war in Syria exists because Obama armed jihadists. Surely we should be calling (as AWARE does) for the withdrawal of all US troops, weapons, and bases from MENA. Do you agree? The poets often get there first: Unfortunately they're never the decision-makers. :-( Since there's no attribution, I presume this is your own composition, Carl? It's quite excellent! "...As the clever hopes expire Of a low dishonest decade Waves of anger and fear Circulate over the bright And darkened lands of the earth, Obsessing our private lives.... "I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return. "Exiled Thucydides knew All that a speech can say About Democracy, And what dictators do, The elderly rubbish they talk To an apathetic grave; Analysed all in his book, The enlightenment driven away, The habit-forming pain, Mismanagement and grief: We must suffer them all again. "Into this neutral air Where blind skyscrapers use Their full height to proclaim The strength of Collective Man, Each language pours its vain Competitive excuse: But who can live for long In an euphoric dream; Out of the mirror they stare, Imperialism’s face And the international wrong... "All I have is a voice To undo the folded lie, The romantic lie in the brain Of the sensual man-in-the-street And the lie of Authority Whose buildings grope the sky: There is no such thing as the State And no one exists alone; Hunger allows no choice To the citizen or the police; We must love one another or die…” Regards, Carl On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Fields, A Belden > wrote: I criticize both sides Mort. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: What do you know about the situation in Aleppo, Belden? I suggest you look elsewhere than to the NYT and other main stream media. Perhaps even RN, horror of horrors, or Antiwar.com, etc. . Yes the Russians have interests in not having radical Islamists taking over Syria, and were called in by the only legitimate government there, even if you don’t approve of it. Meanwhile the USA, Saudi Arabia, and friends, Israel too, have been supplying weapons, intelligence(?) and funds to the so-called rebels, many/most not even Syrians—instigating the conflict there. Regime change has long been on the table by the U.S. government for Syria, part of our hegemonic outlook. Your criticism is perverse. On Jan 4, 2017, at 12:30 PM, 'Fields, A Belden' a-fields at illinois.edu [sf-core] > wrote: Karl, I find it obscene when you say that the Russian air force was in Syria "legally," justifying the hellish nightmare that it unleashed upon the people of Aleppo. This was a war crime of incredible magnitude. Your " anti-war" posture is pure hypocrisy. If other in AWARE share your view, the name should be changed. You are neither anti-war nor anti-racist. Drop the mask. Belden ________________________________ From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] on behalf of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:48 AM To: Debra Schrishuhn Cc: Peace Discuss; sf-core; Brussel, Morton K; peace; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Occupy CU Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Against hysteria Shouldn’t we pay attention to the policies the Trump administration will follow, more than to his obvious deficiencies of character? The Obama administration is. They’re so afraid Trump will reverse Obama's warmongering policies, they’re rushing to try to lock the new administration into their lethal practices. Example: Obama has waved a restriction on providing shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles to the 'rebels’ in Syria (including al-Qaeda) - an obvious threat to the Russian air force (who, unlike the USAF, are in Syria legally). HRC wanted a no-fly zone, which she was told would lead to war with Russia; Obama is trying to use jihadists for that. The anti-war movement, of which AWARE is a part, should try to give an accurate account of the US government’s war-making, under this administration and the next. —CGE On Dec 22, 2016, at 6:27 AM, Debra Schrishuhn > wrote: Apparently, Trump's racism, xenophobia, and misogyny are true conservative values that you support? His intention to build a wall to keep brown people out of the US and his embrace of torture and extra-judicial killings don't bother you, Carl? His willingness to ignite trade wars and possibly hot wars with that military he plans to build up are OK? His lack of respect for fellow humans, his pathological tendency to lie or say whatever he thinks will advance him, get him attention -- these character traits are acceptable to you? Not to mention his graft, his bullying, his cruelty, his vindictiveness--these trait are acceptable in a US President or in any human being? That you embrace these odious qualities in another says a great deal about you. 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URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Thu Jan 5 01:05:47 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:05:47 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D__Inside_Trump_Defense_Secre?= =?utf-8?q?tary_Pick=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_Yo?= =?utf-8?q?rk_Times?= In-Reply-To: <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <019d01d266ef$d9d49410$8d7dbc30$@comcast.net> " Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific " Not really true Carl ! Though late to the game and nowhere near the scale of Britain and France, Germany and Italy nevertheless were belligerent imperialistic countries with colonies in Libya ( Italy ) and in the case of Germany - Namibia, Cameroon, and Tanzania, as well as a small chunk of China. David J. -----Original Message----- From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:59 PM To: David Green Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK; Jay; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J; Miller, Joseph Thomas; peace; Arlene Hickory; David Swanson; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Dave Trippel; Lina Thorne; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times These are important articles. Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism. Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design. But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future. Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist. —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green wrote: > > I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes: > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/ > > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/ > > The Weimar Analogy > > The Weimar Analogy > Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies. > > > > > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" wrote: > > > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: > It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jan 5 03:12:38 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 03:12:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: My book “Tackling America’s Toughest Questions” (Clarity Press: 2009) sets forth a comprehensive analysis and critique of all the hideous atrocities Bush Jr et al inflicted upon international law, human rights, the US Constitution, and innocent human beings, especially People of Color, all over the world, starting from when Bush Jr et al. stole the US Presidency from the American People courtesy of 5 Republican Justices on the US Supreme Court in the Fall of 2000. I decided to hold off writing the Conclusion until shortly after Obama came to power in January 2009. Therein I prognosticated at page 174: “Despite their presidential campaign rhetoric promoting “change,” three weeks into the Obama/Clinton administration the continuity of policies across the board with the Bush administration is striking notwithstanding their change in atmospherics. It very well could be that despite our best efforts, hopes and expectations for instituting real political “change” by means of the 2008 U.S. national elections, the American people are going to see in operation a Third Bush Term or at least a hybrid Obama/Bush/Clinton administration…” People are free to disagree with me if you wish, and not to excuse Bush Jr et al., but from my perspective here the elemental distinction between Obama and Bush Jr is that Obama is a Lawyer who was behind me at Harvard Law School and fully comprehends his monstrous crimes and hideous atrocities against international law, human rights, the United States Constitution and Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color all over the world. Ditto for Killer Koh who was also behind me at Harvard Law School. Ditto for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty to whom I fully explained this in the summer of 2015 long before they maliciously and illegally had Killer Koh come in here on October 28, 2016 in order to campaign to get His Client Killer Clinton elected President ten days later. Let them all be relegated to the Proverbial Ashcan of History! Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 5:12 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green ; Karen Aram ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times I never drank the Obama Kool Aid Not that I was smarter than anyone else. But I went to the University of Chicago for college and lived in Hyde Park periodically over the years. So I had Friends up there who warned me AGAINST Obama—he could not be trusted! So I never drank the Obama Kool Aid. I never voted for Obama as President. I did vote for Obama for the US Senate—but only as an alternative to my Harvard PHD Classmate Alan Keyes—A Straussian Neo-Con. Obama was The Lesser of Two Evils—as I saw it at that time. I did not make that mistake again. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:50 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' >; 'Jay' > Cc: 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'peace' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'David Green' >; 'Karen Aram' >; Mildred O'brien > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times “(My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.)” JFK was not there. But it was a typical Dems Barnstorming Tour by airplane. Fab. The Kennedy Kool Aid NPR reports Maliki is not going but resisting. Shades of the Diem Brothers under Kennedy When I was a young boy I used to drink the Kennedy Kool Aid But not after the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 I thought Kennedy was insane Risking World War III I never drank the Obama Kool Aid So many still do When Obama risks WW3 Stoly on the Rocks in Ukraine? Or Arak hot in Iraq? Maybe Saki in the South China Sea? Anything could set this off Shades of Sarajevo 1914 Sarajevska Pivara in Srebrenica? Been there too. And Dachau and Stalingrad Which will it be? Contemplating World War III Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:39 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green >; 'Karen Aram' >; Mildred O'brien > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times ..and hope he wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. Yeah, Obama and I had the same Jurisprudence Teacher at Harvard Law School, Roberto Unger, Founder of the Critical Legal Studies Movement. As Roberto has repeatedly stated in public, including on the BBC Hardtalk: “Obama is a disaster!” And this Illinois Nazi Law School is a disaster too! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:34 PM To: Jay > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times On the one side is the first US president - ever - to be at war throughout two presidential terms, although he was elected to bring an end to his predecessor’s wars - which he instead expanded. On the other side is his successor, who criticized that war-making. Now the former and his supporters are working desperately to lock the latter into war-making. We should be supporting Trump's anti-war asseverations - and hope he wasn’t lying as much as Obama was. —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay > wrote: Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: For sure Jay. Trump is not a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes and became Accessories After The Fact to their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes Against Peace. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:52 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times To say that Trump is a fascist does not inherently mean that Clinton, Obama and all the rest are not war criminals. I recommend this FAQ from World Can’t Wait’s website about the difference: http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/more-categories/120-elections/8934-faq-2-aren-t-they-all-fascists-obama-and-hilary-too Jay On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:43, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Back in 1986 I was invited to attend the 30th Anniversary Celebration of Harvard's Center for International Affairs. I was an Associate there for 2 years and on their Executive Committee for one year. They gave me Kissinger's old office. They had originally asked Kissinger to give their Keynote Address since he was their most prominent alumnus. But by then Kissinger was such a Grand Poobah that he had no time for his Warmongering Buddies at Harvard. So they asked Brzezinski to give the Keynote Address. His subject was Will Power and American Foreign Policy. Zbig's basic thesis was that if America only willed it hard enough, we could do whatever we wanted to do in the world. After about 20 minutes of Zbig's ranting and raving along these lines I turned to my guest/friend who taught liberal arts at Harvard and whispered in her ear: "Is he talking about American Foreign Policy or Toilet Training?" And she responded in my ear: "I think both!" Zbig is a lunatic and a fanatic. He could very well have Obama set off a war with Russia between now and January 20. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:12 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 12:59 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times And Obama and the Dems could still set off US hostilities with Russia between now and January 20. E.G.: 1. Obama's provision of manpads to his jihadi terrorists in Syria that knowingly can be used to shoot down Russian planes; 2. His Illegal and Pending Promise that he will covertly "retaliate" against Russia over these bogus, warmongering, McCarthyite hacking claims for which he has provided no evidence except for a DHS/FBI "report" that is a joke and a fraud and proves his warmongering intent. 3. His mobilization of US/NATO forces right on the borders of Russia. Etc. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:55 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "...the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign." Since November 9 the Dems have done absolutely nothing but warmonger against Russia. Q.E.D. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:34 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' >; Jay > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions." Dear Carl: I know this is not your Comment. But with all due respect to you, the Dems have always been hopeless warmongers during my political lifetime which goes back to the JFK 1960 Campaign. (My Dad was a lawyer who heavily campaigned for JFK in 1960 and brought me to a political rally at Midway Airport.) The only place the Dems are going to lead us is into World War III--which is exactly what I said at our Anti-Killer Koh Rally here at the Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28 if Killer Clinton got elected president ten days later. Humanity dodged a bullet on November 8. But I am afraid it was just a Stay of Execution--no thanks to this Illinois Nazi Law Faculty that tried to get Killer Clinton and the Killer Dems elected by bringing in Killer Koh to campaign for them. Fab. It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Subject: American Unlimited Imperialism Historically, this latest eruption of American militarism at the start of the 21st Century is akin to that of America opening the 20th Century by means of the U.S.-instigated Spanish-American War in 1898. Then the Republican administration of President William McKinley stole their colonial empire from Spain in Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Philippines; inflicted a near genocidal war against the Filipino people; while at the same time illegally annexing the Kingdom of Hawaii and subjecting the Native Hawaiian people (who call themselves the Kanaka Maoli) to near genocidal conditions. Additionally, McKinley’s military and colonial expansion into the Pacific was also designed to secure America’s economic exploitation of China pursuant to the euphemistic rubric of the “open door” policy. But over the next four decades America’s aggressive presence, policies, and practices in the “Pacific” would ineluctably pave the way for Japan’s attack at Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 194l, and thus America’s precipitation into the ongoing Second World War. Today a century later the serial imperial aggressions launched and menaced by the Republican Bush Jr. administration and now the Democratic Obama administration are threatening to set off World War III. By shamelessly exploiting the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, the Bush Jr. administration set forth to steal a hydrocarbon empire from the Muslim states and peoples living in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf and Africa under the bogus pretexts of (1) fighting a war against international terrorism; and/or (2) eliminating weapons of mass destruction; and/or (3) the promotion of democracy; and/or (4) self-styled “humanitarian intervention”/responsibility to protect. Only this time the geopolitical stakes are infinitely greater than they were a century ago: control and domination of two-thirds of the world’s hydrocarbon resources and thus the very fundament and energizer of the global economic system – oil and gas. The Bush Jr./ Obama administrations have already targeted the remaining hydrocarbon reserves of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia for further conquest or domination, together with the strategic choke-points at sea and on land required for their transportation. In this regard, the Bush Jr. administration announced the establishment of the U.S. Pentagon’s Africa Command (AFRICOM) in order to better control, dominate, and exploit both the natural resources and the variegated peoples of the continent of Africa, the very cradle of our human species. Libya and the Libyans became the first victims to succumb to AFRICOM under the Obama administration. They will not be the last. This current bout of U.S. imperialism is what my teacher, mentor and friend Hans Morgenthau denominated “unlimited imperialism” in his seminal work Politics Among Nations (4th ed. 1968, at 52-53): “The outstanding historic examples of unlimited imperialism are the expansionist policies of Alexander the Great, Rome, the Arabs in the seventh and eighth centuries, Napoleon I, and Hitler. They all have in common an urge toward expansion which knows no rational limits, feeds on its own successes and, if not stopped by a superior force, will go on to the confines of the political world. This urge will not be satisfied so long as there remains anywhere a possible object of domination–a politically organized group of men which by its very independence challenges the conqueror’s lust for power. It is, as we shall see, exactly the lack of moderation, the aspiration to conquer all that lends itself to conquest, characteristic of unlimited imperialism, which in the past has been the undoing of the imperialistic policies of this kind… “ It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 10:04 AM To: Jay > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times An hysterical attempt by the neoliberal and neoconservative establishment to exert control, one way or another, over a president who became so by criticizing neoliberalism (more inequality) and neoconservatism (more war). "Only strong ideological opposition to the Democratic Party can challenge the madness of the US empire's anti-Russia campaign or any other war being waged by its military institutions. The left in the US has struggled for over four decades to crawl out of the Democratic Party's graveyard of social movements. Obama further buried the entire left in the graveyard for two terms.” http://www.blackagendareport.com/let_the_empire_die —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Jay > wrote: >From the Call to Action, so much more could be added today since it was drafted some weeks ago. Read more at www.refusefascism.org The Presidency of Donald Trump is illegitimate. Donald Trump did not win the popular vote. Not even close, he lost by 2.5 million votes. He won the Electoral College – an institution set up in 1787 to protect slavery. This legacy of the most brutal oppression of Black people has become the means that enabled the election of Trump and Pence. More fundamentally, it is the fascist character of the Trump/Pence regime and what they are planning to do which renders it illegitimate and an immoral peril to the future of humanity and the earth itself. Under the slogan “Make America Great Again,” Donald Trump has viciously attacked Mexicans and Muslims, threatening to register and deport millions, closing borders. He incites fear and hate of all who are “different” – nationalities, religions, or gender. He crudely demeans and degrades women, openly boasting about molesting them. He champions white supremacy and whips up a racist lynch-mob mentality. Trump has mocked the disabled. He is a bellicose militarist, who threatens to use nuclear weapons. He openly advocates war crimes — including torture. He vows to pack the Supreme Court with justices who will take away the right to abortion and gay rights. He denies science – calling climate change a hoax and will wreak devastation on the environment. He has attacked and threatened the press and stirred up his supporters to do the same. He has threatened to strip citizenship for constitutionally protected dissent. Trump has utter contempt for facts and the truth, and consistently lies to advance his agenda. As for the rule of law, Trump went so far as to openly threaten his opponent, Hillary Clinton, not only with jail, but even assassination. By any definition, Donald Trump is a fascist. He has put together a regime that will carry out this program, and worse. This is fascism and it is a very serious thing. It has direction and momentum that must be stopped before it becomes too late. On Jan 4, 2017, at 09:40, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: "...Trump is not a fascist and in fact bears very few points of comparison with the politics of the 1930s.” https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2016/12/05/after-fascism-what/ "Locating Fascism on the Home Map": http://blackagendareport.com/locating_fascism_on_home_map —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:56 AM, Jay via Peace-discuss > wrote: Oh, I realize this is hardly the most courageous stand in the face of this proven supporter of the KKK’s nomination. Maybe we can say that it is SO extreme that (even) they felt compelled to speak out against it? On a very positive note, a powerful statement of NO! We REFUSE to accept a fascist America! was published as a full page ad in the New York Times today, p. 7 in the national edition, thanks to 1000s of people signing it and hundreds donating to get it out around the country. We’ll be publishing it in many other outlets as more people do the same. If you haven’t yet, I urge you to sign and get involved! www.refusefascism.org Jay <15825993_10154167465671680_1905205824311534216_n.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jan 5 06:00:47 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 00:00:47 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D__Inside_Trump_Defense_Secre?= =?utf-8?q?tary_Pick=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Time?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: <019d01d266ef$d9d49410$8d7dbc30$@comcast.net> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <1506237897.7771953.1483557853773@mail.yahoo.com> <71859636-8A21-4F2E-A11A-929DEE7A10CD@illinois.edu> <019d01d266ef$d9d49410$8d7dbc30$@comcast.net> Message-ID: True - but hardly to be compared with US military activity today. > On Jan 4, 2017, at 7:05 PM, David Johnson wrote: > > " Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific " > > > > Not really true Carl ! > > Though late to the game and nowhere near the scale of Britain and France, Germany and Italy nevertheless were belligerent imperialistic countries with colonies in Libya ( Italy ) and in the case of Germany - Namibia, Cameroon, and Tanzania, as well as a small chunk of China. > > David J. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:59 PM > To: David Green > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK; Jay; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J; Miller, Joseph Thomas; peace; Arlene Hickory; David Swanson; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; abass10 at gmail.com; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Dave Trippel; Lina Thorne; chicago at worldcantwait.net > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times > > These are important articles. > > Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism. Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design. > > But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future. > > Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more. > > I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist. —CGE > > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green wrote: >> >> I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes: >> >> https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/ >> >> https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/ >> >> https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/ >> >> The Weimar Analogy >> >> The Weimar Analogy >> Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies. >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" wrote: >> >> >> And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's last chance to get America into a war with Russia: >> It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity. >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" >> >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From mickalideh at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 17:21:26 2017 From: mickalideh at gmail.com (Harry Mickalide) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:21:26 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334 In-Reply-To: References: <675989440.3184929.1483036000576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this is what you are saying: "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it." On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump > advisors…” > > Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the > Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration. > > They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s > encourage their fears. > > —CGE > > > > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist > donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm > experiencing some end-of-the-year density. > > > > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as > well as the editorial itself: > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/is-israel- > abandoning-a-two-state-solution.html?action=click& > pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion- > c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT. > nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0 > > > > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change > among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by > their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain > superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during > the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed > individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing > Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation > with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition > to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among > Jews. > > > > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC > administration. > > > > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on > "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I > fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing. > > > > Just food for thought. > > > > DG > > > > > > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing with > on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big bully > for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies. > > > > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator > Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr. > I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting > credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's > support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy. > > > > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations > Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for > the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security > Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East. > > > > [my emphasis] > > > > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob > ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026 > > > > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris Murphy, > as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human Rights > Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the General > Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security Council > is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, and as a > not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The United > States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. NOTHING > HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a > not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to > mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even > Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who > insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK > and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest > that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic. > > > > === > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Thu Jan 5 17:29:34 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:29:34 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: WORLD LABOR HOUR SAT. JAN. 7th Message-ID: <008a01d26779$4b3d7bb0$e1b87310$@comcast.net> WORLD LABOR HOUR SAT. JAN. 7th 11 AM - 1 PM U.S. Central Time 104.5 FM and webcast LIVE worldwide at ; www.wrfu.net Dr. Phillip Verhoef - Assistant professor of medicine and an intensivist in the adult and pediatric ICUs at the University of Chicago. He is a national board adviser to Physicians for a National Health Program and president of the Illinois Single Payer Coalition. Stay tuned after the World Labor Hour for " THE UNION EDGE ", broadcast from Pittsburgh Pa. with Host Charles Showalter. WRFU - Radio Free Urbana - corporate free community radio for the people. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Thu Jan 5 17:29:30 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:29:30 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334 In-Reply-To: References: <675989440.3184929.1483036000576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me. We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported the Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on the UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks on Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it. For example, we did this alert yesterday: Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580 And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic. Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the UNSC resolution against settlements. Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371 For more background detail, see here: Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580 Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this > is what you are saying: > > "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through > settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so > let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it." > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump >> advisors…” >> >> Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the >> Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration. >> >> They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s >> encourage their fears. >> >> —CGE >> >> >> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace < >> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> > >> > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist >> donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm >> experiencing some end-of-the-year density. >> > >> > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as >> well as the editorial itself: >> > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni >> ng-a-two-state-solution.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage& >> clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left- >> region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c- >> col-left-region&_r=0 >> > >> > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change >> among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by >> their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain >> superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during >> the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed >> individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing >> Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation >> with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition >> to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among >> Jews. >> > >> > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC >> administration. >> > >> > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on >> "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I >> fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing. >> > >> > Just food for thought. >> > >> > DG >> > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace < >> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> > >> > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing >> with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big >> bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies. >> > >> > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator >> Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr. >> I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting >> credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's >> support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy. >> > >> > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations >> Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for >> the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security >> Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East. >> > >> > [my emphasis] >> > >> > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob >> ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026 >> > >> > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris >> Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human >> Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the >> General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security >> Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, >> and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The >> United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. >> NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a >> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to >> mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even >> Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who >> insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK >> and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest >> that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic. >> > >> > === >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Thu Jan 5 18:00:24 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:00:24 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] LABOR'S WORLD VIEW T.V. 2017 Message-ID: <00e401d2677d$9a9b7d20$cfd27760$@comcast.net> LABOR'S WORLD VIEW T.V. THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY - Award winning independent journalist Greg Palast's recent film about the 2016 Presidential election and how the corrupt U.S. electoral system has once again denied the American people their voice and in many cases, prevented them from even casting a ballot. How BOTH the Republican and Democratic party use the system to maintain corporate control and prevent real democracy. From the stolen Democratic primary election of Bernie Sanders to the victory of Donald Trump and a Republican controlled U.S. House and Senate. SUNDAY JAN. 8th ( part - 1 ) and SUNDAY JAN. 15th ( part - 2 ) 4-5PM on Comcast Channel 6 ( UPTV ) and LIVE worldwide at ; www.urbanapublictelevision.org Tune in during 2017 every Sunday from 4-5 PM for Labor's World View T.V. with all new films and documentaries plus classics from our archive. Coming soon during the months of January and February - SICKO - The Michael Moore film that documents our broken corporate healthcare system in the U.S. and how other countries provide better and free healthcare for ALL. MINE WARS - Recent PBS documentary about the struggle for Union rights in the coal mines of the U.S. during the 19th and early 20th century. THE BLACK PANTHERS VANGUARDS OF THE REVOLUTION - Excellent archival film footage and interviews with the people who were there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 18:01:53 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 18:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334 In-Reply-To: References: <675989440.3184929.1483036000576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1952952982.893348.1483639313719@mail.yahoo.com> Bob, I wasn't the only one confused by your original message, which seemed to be aimed at those of us you consider to the left of you in the pro-P movement. But you never elaborated on your message or my response to it. In any event, I will inform Davis's office workers of my views, as I do in person regularly. I will point out to them, among other things, that nobody in our local Jewish community publicly expresses support for the Trump/Friedman approach. DG On Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:30 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me. We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported the Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on the UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks on Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it.  For example, we did this alert yesterday: Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580 And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic.  Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the UNSC resolution against settlements.  Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371 For more background detail, see here: Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580 Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss wrote: Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this is what you are saying: "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it." On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump advisors…” Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration. They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s encourage their fears. —CGE > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace wrote: > > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm experiencing some end-of-the-year density. > > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as well as the editorial itself: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12 /28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni ng-a-two-state-solution.html? action=click&pgtype=Homepage& clickSource=story-heading& module=opinion-c-col-left- region®ion=opinion-c-col- left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c- col-left-region&_r=0 > > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among Jews. > > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC administration. > > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing. > > Just food for thought. > > DG > > > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: > > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies. > > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr. I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy. > > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East. > > [my emphasis] > > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026 > > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic. > > === ______________________________ _________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mai lman/listinfo/peace ______________________________ _________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana. net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jan 5 18:15:01 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:15:01 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334 In-Reply-To: <1952952982.893348.1483639313719@mail.yahoo.com> References: <675989440.3184929.1483036000576@mail.yahoo.com> <1952952982.893348.1483639313719@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C9DFABE-812B-4D0D-8474-104CE82A6B60@illinois.edu> True of a good number of us ULGs (ultra-left gentiles) as well. —CGE > On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:01 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Bob, I wasn't the only one confused by your original message, which seemed to be aimed at those of us you consider to the left of you in the pro-P movement. But you never elaborated on your message or my response to it. > > In any event, I will inform Davis's office workers of my views, as I do in person regularly. I will point out to them, among other things, that nobody in our local Jewish community publicly expresses support for the Trump/Friedman approach. > > DG > > > On Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:30 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me. > > We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported the Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on the UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks on Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it. > > For example, we did this alert yesterday: > > Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580 > > And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic. > > Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the UNSC resolution against settlements. > > Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371 > > For more background detail, see here: > > Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580 > > > > > > > > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss wrote: > Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this is what you are saying: > > "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it." > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump advisors…” > > Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration. > > They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s encourage their fears. > > —CGE > > > > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace wrote: > > > > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm experiencing some end-of-the-year density. > > > > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as well as the editorial itself: > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12 /28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni ng-a-two-state-solution.html? action=click&pgtype=Homepage& clickSource=story-heading& module=opinion-c-col-left- region®ion=opinion-c-col- left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c- col-left-region&_r=0 > > > > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among Jews. > > > > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC administration. > > > > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing. > > > > Just food for thought. > > > > DG > > > > > > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: > > > > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies. > > > > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr. I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy. > > > > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East. > > > > [my emphasis] > > > > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026 > > > > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic. > > > > === From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 5 18:29:50 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 18:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334 In-Reply-To: <2C9DFABE-812B-4D0D-8474-104CE82A6B60@illinois.edu> References: <675989440.3184929.1483036000576@mail.yahoo.com> <1952952982.893348.1483639313719@mail.yahoo.com> <2C9DFABE-812B-4D0D-8474-104CE82A6B60@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1030448931.868306.1483640990229@mail.yahoo.com> It's also noticeable that the local URGs (ultra-right goyim) don't seem to write letters in defense of Israel at all anymore. On Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:15 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: True of a good number of us ULGs (ultra-left gentiles) as well. —CGE > On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:01 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Bob, I wasn't the only one confused by your original message, which seemed to be aimed at those of us you consider to the left of you in the pro-P movement. But you never elaborated on your message or my response to it. > > In any event, I will inform Davis's office workers of my views, as I do in person regularly. I will point out to them, among other things, that nobody in our local Jewish community publicly expresses support for the Trump/Friedman approach. > > DG > > > On Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:30 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me. > > We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported the Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on the UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks on Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it. > > For example, we did this alert yesterday: > > Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580 > > And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic. > > Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the UNSC resolution against settlements. > > Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371 > > For more background detail, see here: > > Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to Settlements > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580 > > > > > > > > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss wrote: > Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this is what you are saying: > > "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it." > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump advisors…” > > Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration. > > They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s encourage their fears. > > —CGE > > > > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace wrote: > > > > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm experiencing some end-of-the-year density. > > > > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as well as the editorial itself: > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12 /28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni ng-a-two-state-solution.html? action=click&pgtype=Homepage& clickSource=story-heading& module=opinion-c-col-left- region®ion=opinion-c-col- left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c- col-left-region&_r=0 > > > > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among Jews. > > > > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC administration. > > > > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing. > > > > Just food for thought. > > > > DG > > > > > > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace wrote: > > > > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies. > > > > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr. I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy. > > > > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East. > > > > [my emphasis] > > > > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026 > > > > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic. > > > > === -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mickalideh at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 18:38:06 2017 From: mickalideh at gmail.com (Harry Mickalide) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 12:38:06 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334 In-Reply-To: <1030448931.868306.1483640990229@mail.yahoo.com> References: <675989440.3184929.1483036000576@mail.yahoo.com> <1952952982.893348.1483639313719@mail.yahoo.com> <2C9DFABE-812B-4D0D-8474-104CE82A6B60@illinois.edu> <1030448931.868306.1483640990229@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the clarification Robert! I indeed wholly misinterpeted you. On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:29 PM, David Green wrote: > It's also noticeable that the local URGs (ultra-right goyim) don't seem to > write letters in defense of Israel at all anymore. > > > On Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:15 PM, Carl G. Estabrook < > galliher at illinois.edu> wrote: > > > > True of a good number of us ULGs (ultra-left gentiles) as well. —CGE > > > > On Jan 5, 2017, at 12:01 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > Bob, I wasn't the only one confused by your original message, which > seemed to be aimed at those of us you consider to the left of you in the > pro-P movement. But you never elaborated on your message or my response to > it. > > > > In any event, I will inform Davis's office workers of my views, as I do > in person regularly. I will point out to them, among other things, that > nobody in our local Jewish community publicly expresses support for the > Trump/Friedman approach. > > > > DG > > > > > > On Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:30 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > > > Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread and I have no idea > what you are talking about and it makes no sense to me. > > > > We supported the UNSC resolution against the settlements. We supported > the Obama/Kerry decision not to veto it. We are pushing back on attacks on > the UNSC resolution against settlements and we are pushing back on attacks > on Obama/Kerry for not vetoing it. > > > > For example, we did this alert yesterday: > > > > Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to > Settlements > > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580 > > > > And this morning, we did a call alert to the House on the same topic. > > > > Anyone here who cares about this could take half a minute to call Rodney > Davis and urge him to vote NO on the Royce-Engel resolution attacking the > UNSC resolution against settlements. > > > > Rodney Davis: 202-225-2371 <(202)%20225-2371> > > > > For more background detail, see here: > > > > Congress: Don't Attack Obama & UN Security Council Opposition to > Settlements > > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/house-dont-attack-obama?r_by=1135580 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Naiman > > Policy Director > > Just Foreign Policy > > www.justforeignpolicy.org > > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > > (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> > > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like > this is what you are saying: > > > > "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians > through settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to > stop so let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it." > > > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump > advisors…” > > > > Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the > Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration. > > > > They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s > encourage their fears. > > > > —CGE > > > > > > > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > > > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist > donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm > experiencing some end-of-the-year density. > > > > > > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, > as well as the editorial itself: > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12 /28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni > ng-a-two-state-solution.html? action=click&pgtype=Homepage& > clickSource=story-heading& module=opinion-c-col-left- > region®ion=opinion-c-col- left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c- > col-left-region&_r=0 > > > > > > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change > among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by > their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain > superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during > the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed > individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing > Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation > with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition > to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among > Jews. > > > > > > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC > administration. > > > > > > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on > "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I > fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing. > > > > > > Just food for thought. > > > > > > DG > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > > > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing > with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big > bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies. > > > > > > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut > Senator Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr. > I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting > credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's > support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy. > > > > > > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations > Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for > the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security > Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East. > > > > > > [my emphasis] > > > > > > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob > ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026 > > > > > > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris > Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human > Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the > General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security > Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, > and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The > United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. > NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a > not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to > mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even > Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who > insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK > and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest > that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic. > > > > > > === > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From niloofar.peace at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 21:20:50 2017 From: niloofar.peace at gmail.com (Niloofar Shambayati) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 15:20:50 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Et tu, Brute? Chris Murphy bashes Obama, Kerry, UN on UNSC Res 2334 In-Reply-To: References: <675989440.3184929.1483036000576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have respectfully requested to limit the dissemination of your bright ideas to peace-discuss. Peace List is only for announcements, not pontifications. Can the people in charge of these two lists reiterate the rules? Thanks! On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Harry Mickalide via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Could you explain your position more Robert? Right now it seems like this > is what you are saying: > > "Sure, it's wrong for Israel to systematically erase Palestinians through > settler-colonialism, but we cannot realistically expect this to stop so > let's veto the UN Security Council for trying to stop it." > > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> “...it hardly seems helpful to focus on 'anti-Semitism' among Trump >> advisors…” >> >> Exactly. The task would seem to be to discourage the colonization of the >> Trump administration by the neocons, as they did the Obama administration. >> >> They were frightened by Trump’s opposition to the war party. Let’s >> encourage their fears. >> >> —CGE >> >> >> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 12:26 PM, David Green via Peace < >> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> > >> > Bob, I get that politicians are afraid of displeasing their Zionist >> donors. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Perhaps I'm >> experiencing some end-of-the-year density. >> > >> > Nevertheless, look at the comments in response to the NYT editorial, as >> well as the editorial itself: >> > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/opinion/is-israel-abandoni >> ng-a-two-state-solution.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage& >> clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left- >> region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c- >> col-left-region&_r=0 >> > >> > Sort the comments by readers picks. This signals a significant change >> among liberal readers of the NYT. Admittedly, it is provoked mostly by >> their defense of Obama and their opposition to Trump. There is a certain >> superficiality regarding this issue among those who have kept silent during >> the Obama administration; but clearly there are a lot of repressed >> individuals who no longer feel they have anything to lose by criticizing >> Israel. And ironically, with Trump coming into office in reconciliation >> with Russia, he is also provoking sensible and perhaps effective opposition >> to his prospective hardline policy on I/P, including and especially among >> Jews. >> > >> > I can't imagine that this would have transpired with an incoming HRC >> administration. >> > >> > Under these circumstances, it hardly seems helpful to focus on >> "anti-Semitism" among Trump advisors, if that's what anyone is doing, and I >> fear that indeed is what JVP has been doing. >> > >> > Just food for thought. >> > >> > DG >> > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 29, 2016 11:36 AM, Robert Naiman via Peace < >> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> > >> > I try to tell my ultra-left friends about the terrain we're dealing >> with on I-P in DC. They don't want to hear it. They think I'm being a big >> bully for saying they can't have unicorns and ponies. >> > >> > So. Show don't tell. Exhibit 7,233. The court calls Connecticut Senator >> Chris Murphy to testify. Mr. Progressive Foreign Policy. Mr. >> I-want-to-be-the-Elizabeth-War ren-of-foreign-policy. To his everlasting >> credit, the first Senator to say boo about the Obama Administration's >> support for Saudi Arabia's catastrophic war in Yemen. Enter Chris Murphy. >> > >> > Speaking to MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” the Senate Foreign Relations >> Committee member said the U.N. is “just fundamentally not a fair forum for >> the Israelis” and that the White House should have vetoed the Security >> Council measure condemning America’s closest ally in the Middle East. >> > >> > [my emphasis] >> > >> > http://www.politico.com/story/ 2016/12/chris-murphy-barack-ob >> ama-john-kerry-israel-donald-t rump-233026 >> > >> > Chris Murphy's comment about the UN is pure sophistry, and Chris >> Murphy, as a not-completely-stupid person, surely knows it. Say the Human >> Rights Council is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. Say the >> General Assembly is "not a fair forum for the Israelis." Fine. The Security >> Council is not the Human Rights Council and is not the General Assembly, >> and as a not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. The >> United States of F*ing America has a VETO on the UN Security Council. >> NOTHING HAPPENS at the UN Security Council without US permission, and as a >> not-completely-stupid person, Chris Murphy surely knows that. Not to >> mention the subsidiary fact that to define Britain and France and even >> Russia as "anti-Israel," you have to define "anti-Israel" as "people who >> insist that we eat our vegetables before we can eat our dessert." If the UK >> and France are "anti-Israel," then your spouse who gently tries to suggest >> that maybe you've had enough wine to drink at the party is anti-Semitic. >> > >> > === >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jan 5 22:05:26 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 16:05:26 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group. See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, . —CGE > On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay wrote: > > Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. > > One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: > > Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. > > Jay > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From futureup2us at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 22:29:53 2017 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (Jay) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 16:29:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <05797A7F-86AC-4BFA-8DDC-E7EE2EC59080@gmail.com> That article I shared is from Revolution newspaper, which is a publication of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do we evaluate ideas based on their source, or the content? You mention only the one. RefuseFascism.org is a far far broader movement. One of the initiators is a member of the RCP, Carl Dix. Everyone is invited to check out the scope & range of the people who have joined in this effort, at no small risk to themselves, and the Crowdrise crowd funding site lists the donations that funded the NY Times ad. I’m taken aback by this red baiting. If the RCP is involved in something, it’s “their ad?” Jay > On Jan 5, 2017, at 16:05, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group. > > See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, >. > > —CGE > > >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay > wrote: >> >> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. >> >> One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: >> >> Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. >> >> Jay >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jan 5 23:05:12 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 23:05:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <05797A7F-86AC-4BFA-8DDC-E7EE2EC59080@gmail.com> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> <05797A7F-86AC-4BFA-8DDC-E7EE2EC59080@gmail.com> Message-ID: For the record: Jay’s People came all the way down from Chicago just to participate quite productively and actively in our protest against Clinton’s Killer Koh in front of this Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28, 2016. THANKS! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 4:30 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times That article I shared is from Revolution newspaper, which is a publication of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do we evaluate ideas based on their source, or the content? You mention only the one. RefuseFascism.org is a far far broader movement. One of the initiators is a member of the RCP, Carl Dix. Everyone is invited to check out the scope & range of the people who have joined in this effort, at no small risk to themselves, and the Crowdrise crowd funding site lists the donations that funded the NY Times ad. I’m taken aback by this red baiting. If the RCP is involved in something, it’s “their ad?” Jay On Jan 5, 2017, at 16:05, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group. See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, >. —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay > wrote: Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jan 5 23:11:22 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 23:11:22 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_P?= =?windows-1252?q?ick=92s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> <05797A7F-86AC-4BFA-8DDC-E7EE2EC59080@gmail.com> Message-ID: From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 To: Editor Subject: Obama v. Bush Jr. My book “Tackling America’s Toughest Questions” (Clarity Press: 2009) sets forth a comprehensive analysis and critique of all the hideous atrocities Bush Jr et al inflicted upon international law, human rights law, the US Constitution, and innocent human beings, especially Third World People of Color, starting from when Bush Jr et al. stole the US Presidency from the American People courtesy of 5 Republican Justices on the US Supreme Court in the Fall of 2000. I decided to hold off writing the Conclusion to that book until shortly after Obama came to power in January 2009. Therein I prognosticated at page 174: “Despite their presidential campaign rhetoric promoting “change,” three weeks into the Obama/Clinton administration the continuity of policies across the board with the Bush administration is striking notwithstanding their change in atmospherics. It very well could be that despite our best efforts, hopes and expectations for instituting real political “change” by means of the 2008 U.S. national elections, the American people are going to see in operation a Third Bush Term or at least a hybrid Obama/Bush/Clinton administration…” People are free to disagree with me if you wish, and not to excuse Bush Jr et al., but from my perspective here, and for what it is worth: The elemental distinction between Obama and Bush Jr is that Obama is a Lawyer who was behind me at Harvard Law School and fully comprehends his monstrous crimes and hideous atrocities against international law, human rights law, the United States Constitution, and Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color all over the world—America’s untermensch, Our New Jews. Ditto for Killer Koh who was also behind me at Harvard Law School. Ditto and pari passu for Obama’s Harvard/Yale Law Mafia. Fab. Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 5:05 PM To: 'Jay' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green ; Karen Aram ; Mildred O'brien ; 'David Johnson' Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times For the record: Jay’s People came all the way down from Chicago just to participate quite productively and actively in our protest against Clinton’s Killer Koh in front of this Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28, 2016. THANKS! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 4:30 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times That article I shared is from Revolution newspaper, which is a publication of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do we evaluate ideas based on their source, or the content? You mention only the one. RefuseFascism.org is a far far broader movement. One of the initiators is a member of the RCP, Carl Dix. Everyone is invited to check out the scope & range of the people who have joined in this effort, at no small risk to themselves, and the Crowdrise crowd funding site lists the donations that funded the NY Times ad. I’m taken aback by this red baiting. If the RCP is involved in something, it’s “their ad?” Jay On Jan 5, 2017, at 16:05, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group. See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, >. —CGE On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay > wrote: Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. 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THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Obama is today making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what he is doing. Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” When his second term ends this month, Barack Obama will have become the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. He chooses the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The president is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. He also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. Not only is the Obama administration risking nuclear war, they’re preparing for it: President Obama has launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! The Obama administration is also responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over them gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. Obama was elected twice because the generally anti-war US public understood him to say that he would end George Bush’s wars. But in office, Obama moved massively to expand Bush’s war in Afghanistan, and as he leaves office he promises ten thousand US troops will stay there - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. Astonishingly, the Obama administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the Obama administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. And the supporters of that murderous policies, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. ~~~ {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort (AWARE) - a local Champaign-Urbana peace group; contact us at . Watch our weekly discussion of war news on “AWARE on the Air” on Urbana Public TV and YouTube; open meetings Sundays at 5pm at Pizza-M, 208 West Main Street, Urbana.} ### From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jan 6 00:03:38 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 18:03:38 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: flyer201701.rtfd.zip Type: application/zip Size: 4726 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- [Text of the flyer as follows.] THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . Like all American presidents for more than a generation, President Obama is today making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what he is doing. Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” When his second term ends this month, Barack Obama will have become the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. He chooses the targets himself, from lists prepared by the CIA. In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The president is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. He also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. Not only is the Obama administration risking nuclear war, they’re preparing for it: President Obama has launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! The Obama administration is also responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over them gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. Obama was elected twice because the generally anti-war US public understood him to say that he would end George Bush’s wars. But in office, Obama moved massively to expand Bush’s war in Afghanistan, and as he leaves office he promises ten thousand US troops will stay there - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. Astonishingly, the Obama administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the Obama administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. And the supporters of that murderous policies, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. ~~~ {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort (AWARE) - a local Champaign-Urbana peace group; contact us at . Watch our weekly discussion of war news on “AWARE on the Air” on Urbana Public TV and YouTube; open meetings Sundays at 5pm at Pizza-M, 208 West Main Street, Urbana.} ### From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jan 6 01:15:00 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:15:00 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Inside_Trump_Defense_Secretary_Pick?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Times?= In-Reply-To: <05797A7F-86AC-4BFA-8DDC-E7EE2EC59080@gmail.com> References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> <05797A7F-86AC-4BFA-8DDC-E7EE2EC59080@gmail.com> Message-ID: It’s clear by now what's wrong with the “Trump is a fascist” line. It’s inaccurate, but more importantly it’s a disingenuous defense of the neoliberal/neocon establishment. We need an anti-war/anti-Wall Street movement, not a defense of (pro-war/pro-Wall St.) Obama-Clinton Democrats. —CGE > On Jan 5, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jay wrote: > > That article I shared is from Revolution newspaper, which is a publication of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do we evaluate ideas based on their source, or the content? You mention only the one. > > RefuseFascism.org is a far far broader movement. One of the initiators is a member of the RCP, Carl Dix. Everyone is invited to check out the scope & range of the people who have joined in this effort, at no small risk to themselves, and the Crowdrise crowd funding site lists the donations that funded the NY Times ad. > > I’m taken aback by this red baiting. If the RCP is involved in something, it’s “their ad?” > > Jay > >> On Jan 5, 2017, at 16:05, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group. >> >> See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, >. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay > wrote: >>> >>> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. >>> >>> One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: >>> >>> Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. >>> >>> Jay >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 01:26:50 2017 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:26:50 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D__Inside_Trump_Defense_Secre?= =?utf-8?q?tary_Pick=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_Yo?= =?utf-8?q?rk_Times?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> <05797A7F-86AC-4BFA-8DDC-E7EE2EC59080@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: It’s clear by now what's wrong with the “Trump is a fascist” line. > > It’s inaccurate, but more importantly it’s a disingenuous defense of the > neoliberal/neocon establishment. > How is this logical, Carl? The statement "Trump is a fascist" stands or falls on its own merits, and has nothing to do with the relative merits of the neoliberal/neocon establishment unless we choose to explicitly compare the two in some way. As it happens, the presidential candidate you despise(d) is out of the picture, irrelevant. And as it happens, Drumpf the fascist is filling his cabinet and advisory ranks with the very neoliberal Wall Streeters that you (and I) despise. No one in my circles is defending his appointments. Things are never so black and white as you try to make them. > We need an anti-war/anti-Wall Street movement, not a defense of > (pro-war/pro-Wall St.) Obama-Clinton Democrats. > > —CGE > > > On Jan 5, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jay wrote: > > That article I shared is from Revolution newspaper, which is a publication > of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do we evaluate ideas based on their > source, or the content? You mention only the one. > > RefuseFascism.org > > is a far far broader movement. One of the initiators is a member of the > RCP, Carl Dix. Everyone is invited to check out the scope & range of the > people > who > have joined in this effort, at no small risk to themselves, and the > Crowdrise crowd funding site lists the donations that funded the NY Times > ad. > > I’m taken aback by this red baiting. If the RCP is involved in something, > it’s “their ad?” > > Jay > > On Jan 5, 2017, at 16:05, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s > group. > > See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, > >. > > —CGE > > > On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay wrote: > > Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a > predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be > a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. > > One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and > differences among them: > > Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the > Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. > > > Jay > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jan 6 01:57:07 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:57:07 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D__Inside_Trump_Defense_Secre?= =?utf-8?q?tary_Pick=E2=80=99s_Efforts_to_Halt_Torture_-_The_New_York_Time?= =?utf-8?q?s?= In-Reply-To: References: <9604452A-8D5E-424A-934C-C6E9B11FAAA8@gmail.com> <32788A9A-76B4-43C7-A1C1-E9A9F5D8D2C5@illinois.edu> <773AC95F-A255-4AF0-BD8D-1E08C1D0D8BF@gmail.com> <06A2ED3F-D803-4376-BCE8-8C5E10120BB2@illinois.edu> <8694CA18-6C1E-4383-BB68-08C744FC0302@gmail.com> <256D1695-6A7C-439C-9E10-ECE 4E4B60E2D@gmail.com> <05797A7F-86AC-4BFA-8DDC-E7EE2EC59080@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3C8D365F-FC0B-463C-9AA9-286DB93039A4@illinois.edu> Yes, “the statement 'Trump is a fascist' stands or falls on its own merits” - which are not very great… But it’s being used to delegitimize the Trump presidency, because of his challenges to the neoliberal (more inequality) and neocon (more war) policies of the Obama administration. If the political establishment cannot displace him (and they haven’t given up), they can at least neutralize those challenges: “...calls mount to challenge congressional ratification of Electoral College vote”— http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/least-50-trump-electors-were-illegitimately-seated-electoral-college-members —CGE > On Jan 5, 2017, at 7:26 PM, John W. wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:15 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: > > It’s clear by now what's wrong with the “Trump is a fascist” line. > > It’s inaccurate, but more importantly it’s a disingenuous defense of the neoliberal/neocon establishment. > > How is this logical, Carl? The statement "Trump is a fascist" stands or falls on its own merits, and has nothing to do with the relative merits of the neoliberal/neocon establishment unless we choose to explicitly compare the two in some way. > > As it happens, the presidential candidate you despise(d) is out of the picture, irrelevant. And as it happens, Drumpf the fascist is filling his cabinet and advisory ranks with the very neoliberal Wall Streeters that you (and I) despise. No one in my circles is defending his appointments. > > Things are never so black and white as you try to make them. > > > > We need an anti-war/anti-Wall Street movement, not a defense of (pro-war/pro-Wall St.) Obama-Clinton Democrats. > > —CGE > > >> On Jan 5, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Jay > wrote: >> >> That article I shared is from Revolution newspaper, which is a publication of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do we evaluate ideas based on their source, or the content? You mention only the one. >> >> RefuseFascism.org is a far far broader movement. One of the initiators is a member of the RCP, Carl Dix. Everyone is invited to check out the scope & range of the people who have joined in this effort, at no small risk to themselves, and the Crowdrise crowd funding site lists the donations that funded the NY Times ad. >> >> I’m taken aback by this red baiting. If the RCP is involved in something, it’s “their ad?” >> >> Jay >> >>> On Jan 5, 2017, at 16:05, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >>> >>> Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group. >>> >>> See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, >. >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay > wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist. >>>> >>>> One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them: >>>> >>>> Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles. >>>> >>>> Jay >>>> >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 04:25:51 2017 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:25:51 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Peace list is for announcements - please remove it from To/Cc when replying to others' messages! In-Reply-To: References: <675989440.3184929.1483036000576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <588e5efc-093f-c2a2-2d59-b336fab886a6@gmail.com> Niloofar is right. Please use the Peace list for announcements, not discussions. If you're replying to someone else's message, please check that the Peace list isn't included in the To: or Cc: list. If it is, please take it off. Send it to peace-discuss if you like, but not to peace. On 1/5/17 3:20 PM, Niloofar Shambayati via Peace-discuss wrote: > I have respectfully requested to limit the dissemination of your > bright ideas to peace-discuss. Peace List is only for announcements, > not pontifications. > > Can the people in charge of these two lists reiterate the rules? Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 6 12:37:45 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 12:37:45 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Stopping War with Russia! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:28 AM To: Killeacle Subject: Stopping War with Russia! I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger's old office at Harvard's Center for International Affairs. And Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama's mentor and foreign policy guru since his student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama's 2008 campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he broke up the Soviet Union for Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan-Al Qada. This is Zbig's last two weeks to start a war with Russia. He is going for broke. They must be stopped. Hence all the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today. It is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Fri Jan 6 16:18:07 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:18:07 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Ever bigger & costlier navy Message-ID: The U.S. Navy Will Add Nine New Ships in 2017 Kyle Mizokami Popular Mechanics January 4, 2017 This year the U.S. Navy will add nine ships to the battle force as it slowly grows towards a 300-ship fleet. Most likely, these new ships are a sign of things to come as President-elect Donald Trump campaigned on a promise to boost the Navy to 350 ships. Nine ships are scheduled to be commissioned into the fleet in 2017, meaning they are fully manned, functional, and assigned to a major command. The total includes one aircraft carrier, two destroyers, two nuclear attack submarines, and four littoral combat ships. The Navy is set to gain the USS Gerald R. Ford, the first in a new class of aircraft carrier. The Ford has the same aircraft capacity as the older Nimitz-class carriers, typically 64 aircraft but capable of embarking up to 90. The carrier introduces a host of new technologies, including a redesigned island, electromagnetic catapult system, new aircraft arresting gear, a new nuclear reactor, and new multifunction and volume search radars. Ford is the first new aircraft carrier in eight years, following the USS George H.W. Bush in January 2009. Construction began in 2005 but technical problems the Navy blames on a brand-new ship design pushed it behind schedule and over budget. Ford has incurred an estimated $3.2 billion cost in overruns and was originally set to be commissioned in 2014. Ford's introduction will boost the Navy's carrier force back up to 11 ships. Federal law requires the Navy to keep 11 carriers on active duty at all times, but the retirement of USS Enterprise necessitated a temporary waiver. . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jan 6 16:27:00 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 10:27:00 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Ever bigger & costlier navy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Why blame it on Trump? It was clearly a project of the Obama administration. > On Jan 6, 2017, at 10:18 AM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > The U.S. Navy Will Add Nine New Ships in 2017 > > Kyle Mizokami > Popular Mechanics January 4, 2017 > This year the U.S. Navy will add nine ships to the battle force as it slowly grows towards a 300-ship fleet. Most likely, these new ships are a sign of things to come as President-elect Donald Trump campaigned on a promise to boost the Navy to 350 ships. > Nine ships are scheduled to be commissioned into the fleet in 2017, meaning they are fully manned, functional, and assigned to a major command. The total includes one aircraft carrier, two destroyers, two nuclear attack submarines, and four littoral combat ships. > The Navy is set to gain the USS Gerald R. Ford, the first in a new class of aircraft carrier. The Ford has the same aircraft capacity as the older Nimitz-class carriers, typically 64 aircraft but capable of embarking up to 90. The carrier introduces a host of new technologies, including a redesigned island, electromagnetic catapult system, new aircraft arresting gear, a new nuclear reactor, and new multifunction and volume search radars. > Ford is the first new aircraft carrier in eight years, following the USS George H.W. Bush in January 2009. Construction began in 2005 but technical problems the Navy blames on a brand-new ship design pushed it behind schedule and over budget. Ford has incurred an estimated $3.2 billion cost in overruns and was originally set to be commissioned in 2014. > Ford's introduction will boost the Navy's carrier force back up to 11 ships. Federal law requires the Navy to keep 11 carriers on active duty at all times, but the retirement of USS Enterprise necessitated a temporary waiver. . . . > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From kmedina67 at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 17:27:03 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:27:03 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Peace-Discuss, I was reading through Carl's flyer. * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency. * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US in a few places. -karen medina --- A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] --- THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . The United States is continues making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for it: President Obama launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. ~~~ {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 17:29:18 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:29:18 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: oh, and i added a number 6. hand back the war powers to Congress On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina wrote: > Dear Peace-Discuss, > > I was reading through Carl's flyer. > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two > weeks left in his presidency. > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they > currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US > in a few places. > > -karen medina > --- > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] > --- > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . > > The United States is continues making war around the world - although most > Americans are not aware of what we are doing. > > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people > in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest > purveyor of violence in the world today.” > > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting > with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against > Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel > killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking > war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also > commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, > active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping > ("rendition"), murder, and torture. > > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for > it: President Obama launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update > nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! > > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil > war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. > > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two > generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of > the 1%, the American economic elite. > > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major > country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In > all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people > and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. > > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of > its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the > Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic > competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the > US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control > benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, > who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an > accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack > Obama administrations. > > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in > Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US > subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - > continues apace. > > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue > to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the > Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks > of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization > responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing > people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most > Americans don’t know it. > > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately > seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. > > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA > has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is > not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its > relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. > Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the > multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains > its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with > China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great > power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were > the issues not so dire." > > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find > reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ > lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China > have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from > war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it > for the benefit of America? > > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, > human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone > attacks; > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 > foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi > Arabia; & > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. > > ~~~ > {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War > Anti-Racism Effort} > -- -- karen medina "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." - Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 19:59:40 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 19:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] More Piketty etc., Abstract References: <1470417759.2043706.1483732780200.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1470417759.2043706.1483732780200@mail.yahoo.com> This national income data is not family or household (or even worker per se). The authors attempt to assign national income (basically, GDP), to all individual adults, over 230 million, including government spending, transfers (social security), healthcare benefits, etc. The 57 page paper can be accessed online; the final 20 pages or so are charts that summarize the data. ABSTRACT This paper combines tax, survey, and national accounts data to estimate the distribution of national income in the United States since 1913. Our distributional national accounts capture 100% of national income, allowing us to compute growth rates for each quantile of the income distribution consistent with macroeconomic growth. We estimate the distribution of both pre-tax and post-tax income, making it possible to provide a comprehensive view of how government redistribution affects inequality. Average pre-tax national income per adult has increased 60% since 1980, but we find that it has stagnated for the bottom 50% of the distribution at about $16,000 a year. The pre-tax income of the middle class—adults between the median and the 90th percentile—has grown 40% since 1980, faster than what tax and survey data suggest, due in particular to the rise of tax-exempt fringe benefits. Income has boomed at the top: in 1980, top 1% adults earned on average 27 times more than bottom 50% adults, while they earn 81 times more today. The upsurge of top incomes was first a labor income phenomenon but has mostly been a capital income phenomenon since 2000. The government has offset only a small fraction of the increase in inequality. The reduction of the gender gap in earnings has mitigated the increase in inequality among adults. The share of women, however, falls steeply as one moves up the labor income distribution, and is only 11% in the top 0.1% today. Thomas Piketty Paris School of Economics 48 Boulevard Jourdan 75014 Paris, France piketty at ens.fr Emmanuel Saez Department of Economics University of California, Berkeley 530 Evans Hall #3880 Berkeley, CA 94720 and NBER saez at econ.berkeley.edu Gabriel Zucman Department of Economics University of California, Berkeley 530 Evans Hall, #3880 Berkeley, CA 94720 and NBER zucman at berkeley.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 6 20:09:33 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 20:09:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: January 9 2017 invitation to RTCC References: Message-ID: From: Amy Felty > Dear Friends, The Racial Taboo discussion group will meet again this coming Monday, January 9, to make and consolidate plans for the coming months in 2017. At our December 2016 meeting, we decided to host both an afternoon meeting and an evening meeting to accommodate more people's schedules. Please join us for either meeting. Results from both meetings will be compiled and shared with everyone. Monday, January 9, 2017 3:00 - 5:00 pm or 7:00 - 8:30 pm Baha'i Center 807 E. Green Street Urbana, IL We invite input in the following categories from all interested people. New ideas are also welcome. Discussion groups on specific topics related to identifying and eliminating prejudices Friendship groups as a basis for community building, action steps, and service projects Study groups for book or film discussions, on-going community projects Support of other group's and individuals' efforts toward racial justice and community unity Progress on a website (under development) where people can list events and activities towards eliminating prejudices, creating fairness and unity, and building community and fellowship Please join us with your ideas (or send your information, requests, or offers before the meeting). We are always thinking about meeting locations that are odder: churches, homes, and community spaces. The Racial Taboo planning team will meet later in January to schedule another community showing of the film. Please send your ideas for locations and dates for consideration. Good wishes for 2017, Amy Felty at asfelty at gmail.com or 217-637-3125 This email was sent to karenaram at hotmail.com why did I get this? unsubscribe from this list update subscription preferences Racial Taboo group discussion notification list · 1914 Clover Lane · Champaign, Il 61821 · USA [Email Marketing Powered by MailChimp] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 6 21:32:29 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 21:32:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Stopping War with Russia! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many of us fear you are absolutely correct. Which is why we must be ever vigilant in respect to what the Obama Administration is doing now, and in the next couple of weeks. Especially In respect to Russia and Syria. Russia is withdrawing many of it’s military from Syria, on the assumption that all is well. There are those who do not believe the war in Syria is over. The US is, relentless in pursuit of control. On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:37, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:28 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: Stopping War with Russia! I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. And Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since his student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he broke up the Soviet Union for Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan—Al Qada. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. He is going for broke. They must be stopped. Hence all the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today. It is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 6 21:50:10 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 21:50:10 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Stopping War with Russia! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he believes he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:32 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green ; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Re: Stopping War with Russia! Many of us fear you are absolutely correct. Which is why we must be ever vigilant in respect to what the Obama Administration is doing now, and in the next couple of weeks. Especially In respect to Russia and Syria. Russia is withdrawing many of it’s military from Syria, on the assumption that all is well. There are those who do not believe the war in Syria is over. The US is, relentless in pursuit of control. On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:37, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:28 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: Stopping War with Russia! I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. And Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since his student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he broke up the Soviet Union for Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan—Al Qada. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. He is going for broke. They must be stopped. Hence all the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today. It is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 6 22:03:10 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:03:10 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Stopping War with Russia! References: Message-ID: And damn this Nazi Law Faculty for bringing in Obama’s Killer Koh to get Their Killer Clinton elected President ten days later! As I said at our Rally here on October 28, if War Breaks out with Russia we must hold them all accountable as Accessories Before The Fact. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:50 PM To: 'Karen Aram' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green ; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Stopping War with Russia! Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he believes he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:32 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green >; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: Re: Stopping War with Russia! Many of us fear you are absolutely correct. Which is why we must be ever vigilant in respect to what the Obama Administration is doing now, and in the next couple of weeks. Especially In respect to Russia and Syria. Russia is withdrawing many of it’s military from Syria, on the assumption that all is well. There are those who do not believe the war in Syria is over. The US is, relentless in pursuit of control. On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:37, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:28 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: Stopping War with Russia! I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. And Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since his student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he broke up the Soviet Union for Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan—Al Qada. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. He is going for broke. They must be stopped. Hence all the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today. It is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 6 22:32:48 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:32:48 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] It's not over yet..... References: Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2017, at 13:50, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like hebelieves he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 6 23:18:53 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 23:18:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Stopping War with Russia! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2073819827.2192525.1483744733975@mail.yahoo.com> Let's be sure to eliminate "peace" from peace-discuss list, like I just did for this message. DG On Friday, January 6, 2017 4:03 PM, "Boyle, Francis A" wrote: #yiv2151287819 #yiv2151287819 -- _filtered #yiv2151287819 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2151287819 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2151287819 {panose-1:2 11 10 4 2 1 2 2 2 4;}#yiv2151287819 #yiv2151287819 p.yiv2151287819MsoNormal, #yiv2151287819 li.yiv2151287819MsoNormal, #yiv2151287819 div.yiv2151287819MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv2151287819 a:link, #yiv2151287819 span.yiv2151287819MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2151287819 a:visited, #yiv2151287819 span.yiv2151287819MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2151287819 span.yiv2151287819apple-converted-space {}#yiv2151287819 span.yiv2151287819EmailStyle18 {color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;}#yiv2151287819 span.yiv2151287819EmailStyle19 {color:#993366;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;}#yiv2151287819 .yiv2151287819MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv2151287819 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv2151287819 div.yiv2151287819WordSection1 {}#yiv2151287819 And damn this Nazi Law Faculty for bringing in Obama’s Killer Koh to get Their  Killer Clinton elected President ten days later! As I said at our Rally here on October 28, if War Breaks out with Russia  we must  hold them all accountable as Accessories Before The Fact. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!”   Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:50 PM To: 'Karen Aram' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green ; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Stopping War with Russia!   Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into  Lithuania. Etc.  Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig  will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation  with Russia. People  are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab.   From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High       I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs.  I also went through the exact  same  Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard  that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History  under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P.   Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s  student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration  with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces  just like he believes he  broke up the Soviet Union for  President  Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig  is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere  today 24/7  is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003.   Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude;  AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow.             Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:32 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; peace ;a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ;sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ;peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ;abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ;chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green ; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Re: Stopping War with Russia!   Many of us fear you are absolutely correct. Which is why we must be ever vigilant in respect to what the Obama Administration is doing now, and in the next couple of weeks. Especially In respect to Russia and Syria. Russia is withdrawing many of it’s military from Syria, on the assumption that all is well. There are those who do not believe the war in Syria is over. The US is, relentless in pursuit of control.     On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:37, Boyle, Francis A wrote:       Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   From: Boyle, Francis A  Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:28 AM To: Killeacle Subject: Stopping War with Russia!   I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. And Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since his student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces  just like he broke up the Soviet Union for Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan—Al Qada. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. He is going for broke. They must be stopped. Hence all the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere  today. It is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Fab.       Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 00:01:33 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 00:01:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: It's not over yet..... References: Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2017, at 13:50, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like hebelieves he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 00:37:50 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 00:37:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] It's not over yet..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A2C8EB7-E340-4251-8980-8AC7F9413F00@illinois.edu> Where is this information coming from, and is it a new news? I’ve seen nothing on news channels about it today (RT Anti-war.com, NYT,…). “We” have been supplying weaponry all along to the jihadists/rebels in Syria. In any case, this is a very alarming “new report". —mkb On Jan 6, 2017, at 4:32 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: On Jan 6, 2017, at 13:50, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like hebelieves he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 00:55:28 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 00:55:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] It's not over yet..... In-Reply-To: <3A2C8EB7-E340-4251-8980-8AC7F9413F00@illinois.edu> References: <3A2C8EB7-E340-4251-8980-8AC7F9413F00@illinois.edu> Message-ID: This is from Prof. Boyle, and if I recall, assuming you’re referring to the supply of manpads to the jihadis in Syria, It’s not todays news. It was recent however, I’ll look it up. On Jan 6, 2017, at 16:37, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Where is this information coming from, and is it a new news? I’ve seen nothing on news channels about it today (RT Anti-war.com, NYT,…). “We” have been supplying weaponry all along to the jihadists/rebels in Syria. In any case, this is a very alarming “new report". —mkb On Jan 6, 2017, at 4:32 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: On Jan 6, 2017, at 13:50, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like hebelieves he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I’m not going to dispute that.As for why Kerry delivered his speech, that was very clear to me. Because Kerry invested nine months– we’ve already forgotten the Kerry initiative, but he invested nine months in those talks and if you recall in his first news conference after the talks collapsed, he said – and after Israel announced, it was going to build new settlements, remember he said, The talks were finished. So he is angry that he squandered so much time and energy on an initiative to which he had attached his own person and his reputation and nothing came of it because of the Israelis. http://normanfinkelstein.com/2017/01/04/norman-finkelstein-on-the-un-security-council-resolution-2334/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 01:25:37 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 01:25:37 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] It's not over yet..... In-Reply-To: References: <3A2C8EB7-E340-4251-8980-8AC7F9413F00@illinois.edu> Message-ID: See the Washington Post Dec.6th, by Thomas Gibbons Neff in relation to Congress Passing a bill allowing Trump….. On Jan 6, 2017, at 16:55, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: This is from Prof. Boyle, and if I recall, assuming you’re referring to the supply of manpads to the jihadis in Syria, It’s not todays news. It was recent however, I’ll look it up. On Jan 6, 2017, at 16:37, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Where is this information coming from, and is it a new news? I’ve seen nothing on news channels about it today (RT Anti-war.com, NYT,…). “We” have been supplying weaponry all along to the jihadists/rebels in Syria. In any case, this is a very alarming “new report". —mkb On Jan 6, 2017, at 4:32 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: On Jan 6, 2017, at 13:50, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like hebelieves he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 01:32:15 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 01:32:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] It's not over yet..... In-Reply-To: References: <3A2C8EB7-E340-4251-8980-8AC7F9413F00@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Dec. 27th, 2016 Thomas Osborn of Reuters (this is taken out of context) wrote: “The National Defense Authorization Act, signed into law by Obama on Dec. 23, appears designed to assuage the administration’s misgivings but imposes a new layer of congressional oversight on any presidential decision to provide them. A provision bars the U.S. Defense Department from spending funds on MANPADS for Syrian rebel groups until the secretaries of state and defense submit a report to congressional committees explaining the decision to do so. The report would have to include which groups would receive the weapons, intelligence analyses on the groups and the kinds and numbers of MANPADS to be supplied. Moscow cast the bill as lifting restrictions on the provision of such weapons to Syrian rebels. On Jan 6, 2017, at 17:25, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: See the Washington Post Dec.6th, by Thomas Gibbons Neff in relation to Congress Passing a bill allowing Trump….. On Jan 6, 2017, at 16:55, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: This is from Prof. Boyle, and if I recall, assuming you’re referring to the supply of manpads to the jihadis in Syria, It’s not todays news. It was recent however, I’ll look it up. On Jan 6, 2017, at 16:37, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Where is this information coming from, and is it a new news? I’ve seen nothing on news channels about it today (RT Anti-war.com, NYT,…). “We” have been supplying weaponry all along to the jihadists/rebels in Syria. In any case, this is a very alarming “new report". —mkb On Jan 6, 2017, at 4:32 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: On Jan 6, 2017, at 13:50, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like hebelieves he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 01:37:19 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 01:37:19 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] It's not over yet..... In-Reply-To: References: <3A2C8EB7-E340-4251-8980-8AC7F9413F00@illinois.edu> Message-ID: The Washington Times: View Comments Print By L. Todd Wood - - Tuesday, December 27, 2016 The Russian Foreign Ministry declared U.S. intentions to provide Syrian “rebels” fighting the Assad regime in the Syrian Civil War as a “hostile move.” Barack Obama signed the 2017 Defense Authorization bill on Dec. 23rd of this year. The bill provides authorization for the Department of Defense to arm the rebels with shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles or ManPADS. The Russians have a long memory of the Stinger missiles that were provided by the CIA to the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, which turned the tide of the conflict and forced Soviet withdrawal from the country. Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Tuesday regarding the missiles falling into the hands of the Islamic State, “Perhaps, they even expect this to happen, since they actually sponsor the Jabhat al-Nusra [terrorist group, outlawed in Russia - TASS], which is a unit of al Qaeda. This can hardly be called otherwise than aiding and abetting terrorists,” reports Russian State News Agency TASS. “The relevant decision also poses a direct threat to aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, other Russian military personnel and our Embassy in Syria that has been shelled repeatedly…That is why we consider this to be a hostile move…Instead of pooling efforts to counter rampaging extremists of every stripe and color, as we have suggested for a long time, Washington is staking on the provision of military aid to anti-government units, which differ little from bloody thugs,” stated Zakharov On Jan 6, 2017, at 17:25, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: See the Washington Post Dec.6th, by Thomas Gibbons Neff in relation to Congress Passing a bill allowing Trump….. On Jan 6, 2017, at 16:55, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: This is from Prof. Boyle, and if I recall, assuming you’re referring to the supply of manpads to the jihadis in Syria, It’s not todays news. It was recent however, I’ll look it up. On Jan 6, 2017, at 16:37, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Where is this information coming from, and is it a new news? I’ve seen nothing on news channels about it today (RT Anti-war.com, NYT,…). “We” have been supplying weaponry all along to the jihadists/rebels in Syria. In any case, this is a very alarming “new report". —mkb On Jan 6, 2017, at 4:32 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: On Jan 6, 2017, at 13:50, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like hebelieves he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 01:55:32 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 01:55:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] It's not over yet..... In-Reply-To: References: <3A2C8EB7-E340-4251-8980-8AC7F9413F00@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Bob Naiman is quoted in this article of December 2, 2016 Congress authorizes Trump to arm Syrian rebels with anti-aircraft missiles The House voted for the first time today to explicitly authorize the incoming Donald Trump administration to arm vetted Syrian rebels with anti-aircraft missiles. Summary⎙ Print The House passed a defense bill that conditionally allows the provision of MANPADs to anti-Syrian regime forces. Author Julian PecquetPosted December 2, 2016 While the language in the annual defense bill also creates restrictions on the provision of the controversial weapons, it represents a win for Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain, R-Ariz., a fervent advocate of helping the rebels resist President Bashar al-Assad and his Russian and Iranian allies. The Senate is expected to pass the bill next week. Until now, the transfer of man-portable air-defense systems, or MANPADs, had been implicitly authorized in the absence of an outright ban. Critics, however, view the new provision as tantamount to a policy recommendation for the president-elect. "I'm more afraid of Congress on this issue than I am of Trump,” said Robert Naiman, the policy director at Just Foreign Policy, a liberal advocacy group that lobbied for a ban. “I think Congress is trying to tie Trump's hands against making a realistic deal with Russia to end the Syrian civil war. And they are trying to pressure him in the direction of not doing that," he told Al-Monitor. Trump was outspoken about his reluctance to get dragged into the Syrian civil war throughout the presidential campaign. He has since picked hawkish advisers and candidates for Cabinet positions, including retired Marine Gen. James Mattis as secretary of defense. The rebels “are being slaughtered as we speak. A genocide is taking place. It's a black mark on American history," McCain told Al-Monitor when asked about the MANPAD provision. “I think [Trump] is going to listen to the people he appoints as secretary of defense and secretary of state.” Mattis is well known in military and foreign policy circles for his aggressive determination to take on America’s foes, notably Iran, including in Syria and Iraq. Testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee as far back as January 2015, however, he opined that the time for supporting moderate rebel fighters against Assad's forces had "passed." Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2016/12/defense-ndaa-congress-manpads-syria.html#ixzz4V2L23V7dOn Jan 6, 2017, at 17:37, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: The Washington Times: View Comments Print By L. Todd Wood - - Tuesday, December 27, 2016 The Russian Foreign Ministry declared U.S. intentions to provide Syrian “rebels” fighting the Assad regime in the Syrian Civil War as a “hostile move.” Barack Obama signed the 2017 Defense Authorization bill on Dec. 23rd of this year. The bill provides authorization for the Department of Defense to arm the rebels with shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles or ManPADS. The Russians have a long memory of the Stinger missiles that were provided by the CIA to the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, which turned the tide of the conflict and forced Soviet withdrawal from the country. Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said Tuesday regarding the missiles falling into the hands of the Islamic State, “Perhaps, they even expect this to happen, since they actually sponsor the Jabhat al-Nusra [terrorist group, outlawed in Russia - TASS], which is a unit of al Qaeda. This can hardly be called otherwise than aiding and abetting terrorists,” reports Russian State News Agency TASS. “The relevant decision also poses a direct threat to aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces, other Russian military personnel and our Embassy in Syria that has been shelled repeatedly…That is why we consider this to be a hostile move…Instead of pooling efforts to counter rampaging extremists of every stripe and color, as we have suggested for a long time, Washington is staking on the provision of military aid to anti-government units, which differ little from bloody thugs,” stated Zakharov On Jan 6, 2017, at 17:25, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: See the Washington Post Dec.6th, by Thomas Gibbons Neff in relation to Congress Passing a bill allowing Trump….. On Jan 6, 2017, at 16:55, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: This is from Prof. Boyle, and if I recall, assuming you’re referring to the supply of manpads to the jihadis in Syria, It’s not todays news. It was recent however, I’ll look it up. On Jan 6, 2017, at 16:37, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Where is this information coming from, and is it a new news? I’ve seen nothing on news channels about it today (RT Anti-war.com, NYT,…). “We” have been supplying weaponry all along to the jihadists/rebels in Syria. In any case, this is a very alarming “new report". —mkb On Jan 6, 2017, at 4:32 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: On Jan 6, 2017, at 13:50, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like hebelieves he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 03:55:24 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 03:55:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Counterpunch Message-ID: Good summary JANUARY 6, 2017 Obama’s Propaganda Gift to Trump by MARGARET KIMBERLEY * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] Throughout the 2016 presidential campaign the corporate media, Democratic Party operatives and the pundit class all proclaimed that Donald Trump is a fascist. The fascistic nature of our political, law enforcement and economic systems were conveniently omitted from these warnings, but assertions of Trump’s untrustworthiness were repeatedly endlessly. If that characterization has any validity at all then Barack Obama’s establishment of a de facto Propaganda Department is a terrible blow to democracy. On December 23, 2016 Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), a federal law that is passed every year. NDAA authorizes defense appropriations but it is also used as a Trojan horse to hide attacks on civil liberties. In 2011 the NDAA authorized indefinite detention of anyone deemed a terrorism suspect. Tucked inside this year’s NDAA was the passage of the Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act which establishes the little known or discussed Global Engagement Center. The title seems benign enough until one reads its mission. “The purpose of the Center shall be to lead, synchronize, and coordinate efforts of the Federal Government to recognize, understand, expose, and counter foreign state and non-state propaganda and disinformation efforts aimed at undermining United States national security interests.” In plain English, this act establishes an official propaganda arm of the United States government. Of course there has always been governmental coordination used to spread lies about American foreign policy. The government doesn’t even have to work very hard because the corporate media usually march in lock step and repeat their every claim uncritically. But these are dangerous times for the American hegemon. Its ability to continue exercising imperial control has been damaged by foreign governments successfully resisting its efforts and by the election of Donald Trump. Trump has questioned the need for NATO, pledged to end regime change, and to improve relations with Russia. These are reasonable policy decisions or rather they would be if the world wide neo-liberal regime didn’t feel so threatened. What should be simple disagreements are treated as omens of the end of the world. Perhaps they do signal the end for some members of the ruling classes who believe that their survival depends on America controlling or crushing the rest of the world. The Global Engagement Center makes real the Democratic Party plan to silence dissent and create a network of propaganda partners. The act provides for grant making appropriations to “civil society groups, media content providers, nongovernmental organizations, federally funded research and development centers, private companies or academic institutions…” The recent Washington Post/Jeff Bezos/Democratic Party effort to name websites such as CounterPunch and Black Agenda Report asagents of Moscow will now be official government policy. The anonymous minders of the Is it Propaganda or Not site will no longer have to be invisible. They can come out of the closet and apply for grant money just like a university or an NGO with all the right connections. They can then work hand in hand with the bipartisan war party as it demonizes and silences anyone who refuses to make common cause with their schemes. The head of this Global Engagement Center will be appointed by the president and that means Donald Trump. On the one hand we are told that Trump’s presence in the White House is a fundamental danger to democracy. But in true presidential fashion Obama has handed off to Trump what he thinks is most important to continue. That is a consistent pattern from one administration to the next. Despite any differences they may highlight before an election, they all act like made men in the gangster clique after the votes are cast. Presidents pardon one another and their associates, and in so doing let criminals go free. Trump won’t “lock up” Hillary Clinton because he will want his successor to let him off the hook for any crimes he should commit during his term in office. The man whom Obama labeled unfit for the presidency will now be the propaganda commander-in-chief. While Democrats wait for inauguration day in nervous anticipation of Trump policy changes the rulers continue to ignore them. Obama hasn’t spoken to the concerns of the rank and file since Election Day. He has, however, repeated warnings about “fake news” and Russian influence. His legacy is dead, a sham. His signature achievement, the Affordable Care Act, will be repealed. All of his foreign policy machinations have come to nothing. His interference in Ukraine and regime change attempt in Syria succeeded in bringing Russia and China closer together to counter American influence. Russia, Syria, Turkey and Iran meet to discuss the future and fortunately do so without an American presence. Vladimir Putin no longer bothers with trying to engage the people he used to call “our American partners.” When Obama expelled Russian diplomats in a fit of impotent pique, Putin declined to do the same. Why bother when he knows he has won. Progressives are being exhorted to protest Trump on January 20th and fight back against Republican policies. That is a good and worthy goal but it will also mean fighting against Democratic Party treachery. There should be no reason for dismay or consternation when Trump appoints the Global Engagement Center chief propagandist. After all, Barack Obama, the darling of many progressives, will have laid the groundwork for his “fascist” successor. Join the debate on Facebook Margaret Kimberley writes the Freedom Rider column for Black Agenda Report, where this essay originally appeared. More articles by:MARGARET KIMBERLEY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 03:55:24 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 03:55:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Counterpunch Message-ID: Good summary JANUARY 6, 2017 Obama’s Propaganda Gift to Trump by MARGARET KIMBERLEY * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] Throughout the 2016 presidential campaign the corporate media, Democratic Party operatives and the pundit class all proclaimed that Donald Trump is a fascist. The fascistic nature of our political, law enforcement and economic systems were conveniently omitted from these warnings, but assertions of Trump’s untrustworthiness were repeatedly endlessly. If that characterization has any validity at all then Barack Obama’s establishment of a de facto Propaganda Department is a terrible blow to democracy. On December 23, 2016 Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), a federal law that is passed every year. NDAA authorizes defense appropriations but it is also used as a Trojan horse to hide attacks on civil liberties. In 2011 the NDAA authorized indefinite detention of anyone deemed a terrorism suspect. Tucked inside this year’s NDAA was the passage of the Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act which establishes the little known or discussed Global Engagement Center. The title seems benign enough until one reads its mission. “The purpose of the Center shall be to lead, synchronize, and coordinate efforts of the Federal Government to recognize, understand, expose, and counter foreign state and non-state propaganda and disinformation efforts aimed at undermining United States national security interests.” In plain English, this act establishes an official propaganda arm of the United States government. Of course there has always been governmental coordination used to spread lies about American foreign policy. The government doesn’t even have to work very hard because the corporate media usually march in lock step and repeat their every claim uncritically. But these are dangerous times for the American hegemon. Its ability to continue exercising imperial control has been damaged by foreign governments successfully resisting its efforts and by the election of Donald Trump. Trump has questioned the need for NATO, pledged to end regime change, and to improve relations with Russia. These are reasonable policy decisions or rather they would be if the world wide neo-liberal regime didn’t feel so threatened. What should be simple disagreements are treated as omens of the end of the world. Perhaps they do signal the end for some members of the ruling classes who believe that their survival depends on America controlling or crushing the rest of the world. The Global Engagement Center makes real the Democratic Party plan to silence dissent and create a network of propaganda partners. The act provides for grant making appropriations to “civil society groups, media content providers, nongovernmental organizations, federally funded research and development centers, private companies or academic institutions…” The recent Washington Post/Jeff Bezos/Democratic Party effort to name websites such as CounterPunch and Black Agenda Report asagents of Moscow will now be official government policy. The anonymous minders of the Is it Propaganda or Not site will no longer have to be invisible. They can come out of the closet and apply for grant money just like a university or an NGO with all the right connections. They can then work hand in hand with the bipartisan war party as it demonizes and silences anyone who refuses to make common cause with their schemes. The head of this Global Engagement Center will be appointed by the president and that means Donald Trump. On the one hand we are told that Trump’s presence in the White House is a fundamental danger to democracy. But in true presidential fashion Obama has handed off to Trump what he thinks is most important to continue. That is a consistent pattern from one administration to the next. Despite any differences they may highlight before an election, they all act like made men in the gangster clique after the votes are cast. Presidents pardon one another and their associates, and in so doing let criminals go free. Trump won’t “lock up” Hillary Clinton because he will want his successor to let him off the hook for any crimes he should commit during his term in office. The man whom Obama labeled unfit for the presidency will now be the propaganda commander-in-chief. While Democrats wait for inauguration day in nervous anticipation of Trump policy changes the rulers continue to ignore them. Obama hasn’t spoken to the concerns of the rank and file since Election Day. He has, however, repeated warnings about “fake news” and Russian influence. His legacy is dead, a sham. His signature achievement, the Affordable Care Act, will be repealed. All of his foreign policy machinations have come to nothing. His interference in Ukraine and regime change attempt in Syria succeeded in bringing Russia and China closer together to counter American influence. Russia, Syria, Turkey and Iran meet to discuss the future and fortunately do so without an American presence. Vladimir Putin no longer bothers with trying to engage the people he used to call “our American partners.” When Obama expelled Russian diplomats in a fit of impotent pique, Putin declined to do the same. Why bother when he knows he has won. Progressives are being exhorted to protest Trump on January 20th and fight back against Republican policies. That is a good and worthy goal but it will also mean fighting against Democratic Party treachery. There should be no reason for dismay or consternation when Trump appoints the Global Engagement Center chief propagandist. After all, Barack Obama, the darling of many progressives, will have laid the groundwork for his “fascist” successor. Join the debate on Facebook Margaret Kimberley writes the Freedom Rider column for Black Agenda Report, where this essay originally appeared. More articles by:MARGARET KIMBERLEY -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 04:28:57 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:28:57 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Karen— I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama. Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy: the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order to do this. We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration into it. (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.) Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out included. Regards, Carl > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Dear Peace-Discuss, > > I was reading through Carl's flyer. > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency. > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US in a few places. > > -karen medina > --- > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] > --- > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . > > The United States is continues making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. > > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” > > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. > > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for it: President Obama launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! > > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. > > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. > > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. > > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. > > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. > > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. > > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. > > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." > > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? > > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. > > ~~~ > {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 05:37:11 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 05:37:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Timothy Snyder-Yale historian as neocon References: <1244443839.122124.1483767431501.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1244443839.122124.1483767431501@mail.yahoo.com> ... the Cassandra’s warning Snyder launches simply reiterates the commonplaces of neoconservatism — the future will be a clash of civilizations and the West has to get ready for a new Crusade.According to Snyder: Africa demonstrates the risk of local shortages, China suggests the problems of global power and national anxiety, and Russia shows how practices of the 1930s can come to seem like positive examples. Thanks in large measure to Moscow, state destruction and the construction of planetary enemies have returned to vogue in Europe. In the Middle East, states tend to be weak, and Islamic fundamentalists have long presented Jews, Americans, and Europeans as planetary enemies. Russia, whose leader has taken “the head of populist, fascist, and neo-Nazi forces in Europe,” has invented a new scapegoat, the homosexuals, but the Jews themselves could become the victims of a second Holocaust, Snyder argues.Finally, Snyder brings his misguided political argument to a close by transforming his territorial history of statelessness into a spirited defense of Israel.“Zionists of all orientations were correct to believe that statehood was crucial to future national existence,” Snyder writes — but he fails to mention that this conclusion would seem to legitimate a demand for Palestinian statehood.For Snyder, this observation rather proves that Israelis are right to control water supplies in the West Bank, and Palestinians echo Nazis in their complaints: “Muslims might blame Jews for both local problems and the general ecological crisis; that was, after all, Hitler’s approach.”In Black Earth’s conclusion, Snyder turns into an admirer — equal parts naïve and dogmatic — of Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, and Benjamin Netanyahu — Israeli leaders he considers to be noble descendants of their ancestors, the heroic Polish nationalists of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.The author of Bloodlands may have made important contributions to Holocaust historiography. But five years later, the prophet of Black Earth preaches Zionist and neoconservative platitudes, and obscures more history than he uncovers. Warping History | | | Warping History Timothy Snyder's Black Earth misuses the horrors of the Holocaust in the service of Zionist and neoconservat... | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 05:47:21 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 23:47:21 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer from eight years ago References: <345C46EA-9809-4E0C-AB18-A2CAA820648F@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Here’s a flyer that AWARE distributed eight years ago, as Bush was leaving office. > U.S. WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST: AFGHANISTAN > > Some people think that Barack Obama is poised for an historic presidency that could unite this country and lead us to a better future. He has talked of ending wars and negotiating diplomatically with world leaders. Earlier this year he said, "I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into war." This talk and these positions gave us some hope for peace in the world and an end to the millions of killings. And millions of our people voted for Obama. > > Just recently, though, he spoke of sending a surge of tens of thousands of troops into Afghanistan. Whoa! We already have more than 30,000 U.S. troops there, in addition to more than 140,000 troops and maybe 50,000 mercenaries in 17 permanent bases in Iraq. And we will never "win" the war in Iraq, nor the one in Afghanistan. How can we not have learned at least that much? How can we kill one more person, one more old man, one more woman, one more child? And how can we stand losing even one more of our young men and women? And did you know that the recent U.S. military death count in Afghanistan exceeds that in Iraq? > > Obama has made major appointments of people who have supported the wars and the killings; these evoke serious concerns. He must defy the War Party and the corporate interests surrounding him, and pay homage to the millions of Americans who want real change -- and the ones who voted for him and made him president. > > That which we do not resist, we may be forced to accept. Millions of us want the wars to stop -- recent surveys suggest as many as 70%-80%. Then anti-war movement needs to move immediately to oppose this shift of the "central front" of the fraudulent "war on terror" to Afghanistan. We must not be silent and let the "surge" of American troops into Afghanistan become a reality. > > The U.S. "war on terror," which began after the crimes of September 11, 2001, was not just a campaign against the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden, but a broad global war to control Afghanistan and to the keep the U.S. the global superpower with permanent domination over the Middle East. It will be fought the same way that the war in Iraq is being fought, where most of he people killed are civilians. There is no such thing as a good war on terror -- as Benjamin Franklin wrote on another September 11, in 1773, > > "After much occasion to consider the folly and mischiefs of a state of warfare, and the little or no advantage obtained even by those nations who have conducted it with the most success, I have been apt to think that there has never been, nor ever will be, any such thing as a good war, or a bad peace." > > We must show the people in the Middle East and in the world that in the U.S. there is a difference between the people and the government. And we must stand up and show our government that the great majority of us do not agree with more war. > > Silence and passivity don't work. We can't wait and see. The "surge" must be stopped before it is started. We must be visible, and we must be heard. Our world does not need any more war. > > We can write letters and make phone calls now -- right now! Obama (and Bush) needs to hear from us (202.456.1111) -- perhaps we can remind him of his desire to "end the war [and] end the mindset that got us into war." Congressman Johnson needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and Senator Durbin needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and any other person whom we can tell needs to hear from us. And we can all write and make phone calls... > > ### > > {This comment, by Linda Weber, was cablecast on AWARE on the Air on 23 December 2008. > The program, presented by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort > of Champaign-Urbana, is seen every Tuesday at 10:00pm on cable channel 6.} > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 05:47:21 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 23:47:21 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer from eight years ago References: <345C46EA-9809-4E0C-AB18-A2CAA820648F@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Here’s a flyer that AWARE distributed eight years ago, as Bush was leaving office. > U.S. WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST: AFGHANISTAN > > Some people think that Barack Obama is poised for an historic presidency that could unite this country and lead us to a better future. He has talked of ending wars and negotiating diplomatically with world leaders. Earlier this year he said, "I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into war." This talk and these positions gave us some hope for peace in the world and an end to the millions of killings. And millions of our people voted for Obama. > > Just recently, though, he spoke of sending a surge of tens of thousands of troops into Afghanistan. Whoa! We already have more than 30,000 U.S. troops there, in addition to more than 140,000 troops and maybe 50,000 mercenaries in 17 permanent bases in Iraq. And we will never "win" the war in Iraq, nor the one in Afghanistan. How can we not have learned at least that much? How can we kill one more person, one more old man, one more woman, one more child? And how can we stand losing even one more of our young men and women? And did you know that the recent U.S. military death count in Afghanistan exceeds that in Iraq? > > Obama has made major appointments of people who have supported the wars and the killings; these evoke serious concerns. He must defy the War Party and the corporate interests surrounding him, and pay homage to the millions of Americans who want real change -- and the ones who voted for him and made him president. > > That which we do not resist, we may be forced to accept. Millions of us want the wars to stop -- recent surveys suggest as many as 70%-80%. Then anti-war movement needs to move immediately to oppose this shift of the "central front" of the fraudulent "war on terror" to Afghanistan. We must not be silent and let the "surge" of American troops into Afghanistan become a reality. > > The U.S. "war on terror," which began after the crimes of September 11, 2001, was not just a campaign against the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden, but a broad global war to control Afghanistan and to the keep the U.S. the global superpower with permanent domination over the Middle East. It will be fought the same way that the war in Iraq is being fought, where most of he people killed are civilians. There is no such thing as a good war on terror -- as Benjamin Franklin wrote on another September 11, in 1773, > > "After much occasion to consider the folly and mischiefs of a state of warfare, and the little or no advantage obtained even by those nations who have conducted it with the most success, I have been apt to think that there has never been, nor ever will be, any such thing as a good war, or a bad peace." > > We must show the people in the Middle East and in the world that in the U.S. there is a difference between the people and the government. And we must stand up and show our government that the great majority of us do not agree with more war. > > Silence and passivity don't work. We can't wait and see. The "surge" must be stopped before it is started. We must be visible, and we must be heard. Our world does not need any more war. > > We can write letters and make phone calls now -- right now! Obama (and Bush) needs to hear from us (202.456.1111) -- perhaps we can remind him of his desire to "end the war [and] end the mindset that got us into war." Congressman Johnson needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and Senator Durbin needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and any other person whom we can tell needs to hear from us. And we can all write and make phone calls... > > ### > > {This comment, by Linda Weber, was cablecast on AWARE on the Air on 23 December 2008. > The program, presented by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort > of Champaign-Urbana, is seen every Tuesday at 10:00pm on cable channel 6.} > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 12:23:54 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 06:23:54 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 Message-ID: Nobody could possibly confuse Obama with trump yet. Trump has not stepped into office yet. Everything i said about trump, you had already said. Except giving back war powers to congress, which obama should do but won't and which bush should have done but didn't.  Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: "Carl G. Estabrook" Date: 1/6/17 22:28 (GMT-06:00) To: Karen Medina Cc: Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm /   January 7, 2017 Karen— I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama. Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy: the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order to do this. We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration into it. (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.) Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out included. Regards, Carl > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Dear Peace-Discuss, > > I was reading through Carl's flyer. > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency. > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US in a few places. > > -karen medina > --- > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] > --- > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . > > The United States is continues making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. > > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” > > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. > > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for it: President Obama  launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! > > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. > > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. > > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. > > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. > > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. > > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. > > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. > > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." > > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? > > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. > > ~~~ >         {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 12:30:32 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 06:30:32 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 Message-ID: I like the part about obama furiosly trying to lock trump into the neocon wars. You should put that in the flyer.  Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: "Carl G. Estabrook" Date: 1/6/17 22:28 (GMT-06:00) To: Karen Medina Cc: Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm /   January 7, 2017 Karen— I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama. Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy: the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order to do this. We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration into it. (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.) Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out included. Regards, Carl > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Dear Peace-Discuss, > > I was reading through Carl's flyer. > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency. > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US in a few places. > > -karen medina > --- > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] > --- > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . > > The United States is continues making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. > > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” > > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. > > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for it: President Obama  launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! > > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. > > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. > > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. > > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. > > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. > > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. > > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. > > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." > > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? > > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. > > ~~~ >         {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 12:31:49 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 06:31:49 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC1611A-F3D5-4ACD-9204-56635C4100B8@illinois.edu> What I object to is removing descriptions of Obama’ war policies - supposedly irrelevant because he’s a "Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency.” But it’s exactly those policies that the Democrats and the neocons are desperate to turn Trump to. > On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:23 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Nobody could possibly confuse Obama with trump yet. Trump has not stepped into office yet. > > Everything i said about trump, you had already said. Except giving back war powers to congress, which obama should do but won't and which bush should have done but didn't. > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > Date: 1/6/17 22:28 (GMT-06:00) > To: Karen Medina > Cc: Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 > > Karen— > > I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama. > > Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy: the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order to do this. > > We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration into it. > > (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.) > > Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out included. > > Regards, Carl > > > > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > > Dear Peace-Discuss, > > > > I was reading through Carl's flyer. > > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency. > > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. > > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US in a few places. > > > > -karen medina > > --- > > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. > > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] > > --- > > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - > > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. > > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . > > > > The United States is continues making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. > > > > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” > > > > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. > > > > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for it: President Obama launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! > > > > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. > > > > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. > > > > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. > > > > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. > > > > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. > > > > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. > > > > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. > > > > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." > > > > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? > > > > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump > > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; > > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; > > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & > > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. > > > > ~~~ > > {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace-discuss mailing list > > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 12:49:14 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 06:49:14 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ED41C05-1DEE-4390-A616-FBBC2DD52287@illinois.edu> Thats the crucial issue today, and it’s there in the draft. After a description (which your edit removes) of Obama’s behavior in office, it says, "And the supporters of those murderous policies, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration." > On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:30 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss wrote: > > I like the part about obama furiosly trying to lock trump into the neocon wars. You should put that in the flyer. > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > Date: 1/6/17 22:28 (GMT-06:00) > To: Karen Medina > Cc: Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 > > Karen— > > I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama. > > Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy: the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order to do this. > > We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration into it. > > (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.) > > Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out included. > > Regards, Carl > > > > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > > Dear Peace-Discuss, > > > > I was reading through Carl's flyer. > > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency. > > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. > > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US in a few places. > > > > -karen medina > > --- > > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. > > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] > > --- > > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - > > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. > > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . > > > > The United States is continues making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. > > > > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” > > > > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. > > > > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for it: President Obama launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! > > > > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. > > > > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. > > > > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. > > > > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. > > > > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. > > > > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. > > > > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. > > > > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." > > > > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? > > > > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump > > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; > > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; > > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & > > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. > > > > ~~~ > > {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace-discuss mailing list > > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baldwinricky at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 13:13:29 2017 From: baldwinricky at yahoo.com (Ricky Baldwin) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer from eight years ago In-Reply-To: References: <345C46EA-9809-4E0C-AB18-A2CAA820648F@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> It is interesting to note that this flyer from the Bush-Obama transition nowhere mentions Bush, who started the specific wars in question (at least in their most recent form) and includes specific calls to action (phone numbers, etc.) to reach the president-elect, yet the new flyer for the Obama-Trump transition seemingly can't let go of beating up Obama for his crimes and hardly mentions Trump hypocrisy in any equivalent way or specifically calls on people to petition their government.   An effective flyer would not only challenge and inform (agitate and educate) but tap into thoughts and feelings in its intended audience to move people into action (organize).  I hope the goal is always to encourage resistance and opposition to war and racism and not simply to attack and distinguish oneself from people with whom one may disagree. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Here’s a flyer that AWARE distributed eight years ago, as Bush was leaving office. U.S. WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST:  AFGHANISTAN Some people think that Barack Obama is poised for an historic presidency that could unite this country and lead us to a better future.  He has talked of ending wars and negotiating diplomatically with world leaders.  Earlier this year he said, "I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into war."  This talk and these positions gave us some hope for peace in the world and an end to the millions of killings.  And millions of our people voted for Obama. Just recently, though, he spoke of sending a surge of tens of thousands of troops into Afghanistan.  Whoa!  We already have more than 30,000 U.S. troops there, in addition to more than 140,000 troops and maybe 50,000 mercenaries in 17 permanent bases in Iraq.  And we will never "win" the war in Iraq, nor the one in Afghanistan.  How can we not have learned at least that much?  How can we kill one more person, one more old man, one more woman, one more child?  And how can we stand losing even one more of our young men and women?  And did you know that the recent U.S. military death count in Afghanistan exceeds that in Iraq? Obama has made major appointments of people who have supported the wars and the killings; these evoke serious concerns.  He must defy the War Party and the corporate interests surrounding him, and pay homage to the millions of Americans who want real change -- and the ones who voted for him and made him president. That which we do not resist, we may be forced to accept.  Millions of us want the wars to stop -- recent surveys suggest as many as 70%-80%.  Then anti-war movement needs to move immediately to oppose this shift of the "central front" of the fraudulent "war on terror" to Afghanistan.  We must not be silent and let the "surge" of American troops into Afghanistan become a reality. The U.S. "war on terror," which began after the crimes of September 11, 2001, was not just a campaign against the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden, but a broad global war to control Afghanistan and to the keep the U.S. the global superpower with permanent domination over the Middle East.  It will be fought the same way that the war in Iraq is being fought, where most of he people killed are civilians.  There is no such thing as a good war on terror -- as Benjamin Franklin wrote on another September 11, in 1773,  "After much occasion to consider the folly and mischiefs of a state of warfare, and the little or no advantage obtained even by those nations who have conducted it with the most success, I have been apt to think that there has never been, nor ever will be, any such thing as a good war, or a bad peace." We must show the people in the Middle East and in the world that in the U.S. there is a difference between the people and the government.  And we must stand up and show our government that the great majority of us do not agree with more war. Silence and passivity don't work. We can't wait and see. The "surge" must be stopped before it is started.  We must be visible, and we must be heard.  Our world does not need any more war.  We can write letters and make phone calls now -- right now!  Obama (and Bush) needs to hear from us (202.456.1111) -- perhaps we can remind him of his desire to "end the war [and] end the mindset that got us into war."  Congressman Johnson needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and Senator Durbin needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and any other person whom we can tell needs to hear from us.  And we can all write and make phone calls... ### {This comment, by Linda Weber, was cablecast on AWARE on the Air on 23 December 2008.The program, presented by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effortof Champaign-Urbana, is seen every Tuesday at 10:00pm on cable channel 6.} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baldwinricky at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 13:13:29 2017 From: baldwinricky at yahoo.com (Ricky Baldwin) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer from eight years ago In-Reply-To: References: <345C46EA-9809-4E0C-AB18-A2CAA820648F@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> It is interesting to note that this flyer from the Bush-Obama transition nowhere mentions Bush, who started the specific wars in question (at least in their most recent form) and includes specific calls to action (phone numbers, etc.) to reach the president-elect, yet the new flyer for the Obama-Trump transition seemingly can't let go of beating up Obama for his crimes and hardly mentions Trump hypocrisy in any equivalent way or specifically calls on people to petition their government.   An effective flyer would not only challenge and inform (agitate and educate) but tap into thoughts and feelings in its intended audience to move people into action (organize).  I hope the goal is always to encourage resistance and opposition to war and racism and not simply to attack and distinguish oneself from people with whom one may disagree. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Here’s a flyer that AWARE distributed eight years ago, as Bush was leaving office. U.S. WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST:  AFGHANISTAN Some people think that Barack Obama is poised for an historic presidency that could unite this country and lead us to a better future.  He has talked of ending wars and negotiating diplomatically with world leaders.  Earlier this year he said, "I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into war."  This talk and these positions gave us some hope for peace in the world and an end to the millions of killings.  And millions of our people voted for Obama. Just recently, though, he spoke of sending a surge of tens of thousands of troops into Afghanistan.  Whoa!  We already have more than 30,000 U.S. troops there, in addition to more than 140,000 troops and maybe 50,000 mercenaries in 17 permanent bases in Iraq.  And we will never "win" the war in Iraq, nor the one in Afghanistan.  How can we not have learned at least that much?  How can we kill one more person, one more old man, one more woman, one more child?  And how can we stand losing even one more of our young men and women?  And did you know that the recent U.S. military death count in Afghanistan exceeds that in Iraq? Obama has made major appointments of people who have supported the wars and the killings; these evoke serious concerns.  He must defy the War Party and the corporate interests surrounding him, and pay homage to the millions of Americans who want real change -- and the ones who voted for him and made him president. That which we do not resist, we may be forced to accept.  Millions of us want the wars to stop -- recent surveys suggest as many as 70%-80%.  Then anti-war movement needs to move immediately to oppose this shift of the "central front" of the fraudulent "war on terror" to Afghanistan.  We must not be silent and let the "surge" of American troops into Afghanistan become a reality. The U.S. "war on terror," which began after the crimes of September 11, 2001, was not just a campaign against the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden, but a broad global war to control Afghanistan and to the keep the U.S. the global superpower with permanent domination over the Middle East.  It will be fought the same way that the war in Iraq is being fought, where most of he people killed are civilians.  There is no such thing as a good war on terror -- as Benjamin Franklin wrote on another September 11, in 1773,  "After much occasion to consider the folly and mischiefs of a state of warfare, and the little or no advantage obtained even by those nations who have conducted it with the most success, I have been apt to think that there has never been, nor ever will be, any such thing as a good war, or a bad peace." We must show the people in the Middle East and in the world that in the U.S. there is a difference between the people and the government.  And we must stand up and show our government that the great majority of us do not agree with more war. Silence and passivity don't work. We can't wait and see. The "surge" must be stopped before it is started.  We must be visible, and we must be heard.  Our world does not need any more war.  We can write letters and make phone calls now -- right now!  Obama (and Bush) needs to hear from us (202.456.1111) -- perhaps we can remind him of his desire to "end the war [and] end the mindset that got us into war."  Congressman Johnson needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and Senator Durbin needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and any other person whom we can tell needs to hear from us.  And we can all write and make phone calls... ### {This comment, by Linda Weber, was cablecast on AWARE on the Air on 23 December 2008.The program, presented by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effortof Champaign-Urbana, is seen every Tuesday at 10:00pm on cable channel 6.} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baldwinricky at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 13:13:29 2017 From: baldwinricky at yahoo.com (Ricky Baldwin) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer from eight years ago In-Reply-To: References: <345C46EA-9809-4E0C-AB18-A2CAA820648F@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> It is interesting to note that this flyer from the Bush-Obama transition nowhere mentions Bush, who started the specific wars in question (at least in their most recent form) and includes specific calls to action (phone numbers, etc.) to reach the president-elect, yet the new flyer for the Obama-Trump transition seemingly can't let go of beating up Obama for his crimes and hardly mentions Trump hypocrisy in any equivalent way or specifically calls on people to petition their government.   An effective flyer would not only challenge and inform (agitate and educate) but tap into thoughts and feelings in its intended audience to move people into action (organize).  I hope the goal is always to encourage resistance and opposition to war and racism and not simply to attack and distinguish oneself from people with whom one may disagree. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Here’s a flyer that AWARE distributed eight years ago, as Bush was leaving office. U.S. WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST:  AFGHANISTAN Some people think that Barack Obama is poised for an historic presidency that could unite this country and lead us to a better future.  He has talked of ending wars and negotiating diplomatically with world leaders.  Earlier this year he said, "I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into war."  This talk and these positions gave us some hope for peace in the world and an end to the millions of killings.  And millions of our people voted for Obama. Just recently, though, he spoke of sending a surge of tens of thousands of troops into Afghanistan.  Whoa!  We already have more than 30,000 U.S. troops there, in addition to more than 140,000 troops and maybe 50,000 mercenaries in 17 permanent bases in Iraq.  And we will never "win" the war in Iraq, nor the one in Afghanistan.  How can we not have learned at least that much?  How can we kill one more person, one more old man, one more woman, one more child?  And how can we stand losing even one more of our young men and women?  And did you know that the recent U.S. military death count in Afghanistan exceeds that in Iraq? Obama has made major appointments of people who have supported the wars and the killings; these evoke serious concerns.  He must defy the War Party and the corporate interests surrounding him, and pay homage to the millions of Americans who want real change -- and the ones who voted for him and made him president. That which we do not resist, we may be forced to accept.  Millions of us want the wars to stop -- recent surveys suggest as many as 70%-80%.  Then anti-war movement needs to move immediately to oppose this shift of the "central front" of the fraudulent "war on terror" to Afghanistan.  We must not be silent and let the "surge" of American troops into Afghanistan become a reality. The U.S. "war on terror," which began after the crimes of September 11, 2001, was not just a campaign against the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden, but a broad global war to control Afghanistan and to the keep the U.S. the global superpower with permanent domination over the Middle East.  It will be fought the same way that the war in Iraq is being fought, where most of he people killed are civilians.  There is no such thing as a good war on terror -- as Benjamin Franklin wrote on another September 11, in 1773,  "After much occasion to consider the folly and mischiefs of a state of warfare, and the little or no advantage obtained even by those nations who have conducted it with the most success, I have been apt to think that there has never been, nor ever will be, any such thing as a good war, or a bad peace." We must show the people in the Middle East and in the world that in the U.S. there is a difference between the people and the government.  And we must stand up and show our government that the great majority of us do not agree with more war. Silence and passivity don't work. We can't wait and see. The "surge" must be stopped before it is started.  We must be visible, and we must be heard.  Our world does not need any more war.  We can write letters and make phone calls now -- right now!  Obama (and Bush) needs to hear from us (202.456.1111) -- perhaps we can remind him of his desire to "end the war [and] end the mindset that got us into war."  Congressman Johnson needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and Senator Durbin needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and any other person whom we can tell needs to hear from us.  And we can all write and make phone calls... ### {This comment, by Linda Weber, was cablecast on AWARE on the Air on 23 December 2008.The program, presented by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effortof Champaign-Urbana, is seen every Tuesday at 10:00pm on cable channel 6.} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salevy at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 13:30:24 2017 From: salevy at illinois.edu (Stuart Levy) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 07:30:24 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer from eight years ago In-Reply-To: <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345C46EA-9809-4E0C-AB18-A2CAA820648F@illinois.edu> <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e00778d-983a-0253-c1de-7993f85cbbd3@illinois.edu> Here's another flyer from eight years ago (December, 2008). As Obama did then, Trump now needs a protest movement. ============================================================= AWARE calls on the Obama administration to live up to the promise of change Do we need to do this? Shouldn't we just wait and see what he does? No! There's a great deal of power and trillions of dollars of money at stake in keeping things as they are, from the military industry, the new "security" industry, the media industry, the oil industry, the banking industry, from many sorts of powerful constituencies. They speak with confidence, calling Obama's Bush- and Clinton-era appointments "pragmatic" and "non-ideological". Beware of such labels: "pragmatism" implies not questioning assumptions, such as the assumption that the US has an inalienable right to use military force anywhere in the world, that major changes to the way we use energy or provide health care are just not feasible, that "free market" practices serve our people well, that erosion of civil liberties and use of torture are regrettable but necessary. That's why... Obama Needs a Protest Movement [*] Obama is being compared with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who brought in the New Deal, the fruits of which (Social Security, labor protections, infrastructure creation, ...) we still depend on. But as Frances Fox Piven[*] and others argue, FDR didn't and wouldn't have done it alone: "mass protests [...] forced him to make choices he would otherwise have avoided [...] the rise of protest movements forced the new president and the Democratic Congress to become bold reformers." Obama and the Congress need our pressure now to resist pressure from our opponents, who are not waiting. We must call on the Administration to carry out the best of Obama's promises, and to do other things which he has not promised. Join us [**], join other groups, act on your own, but act. Write letters to the editor, to the new Administration, to Congress. Make signs and demonstrate. Talk with your neighbors. Some things AWARE [**] calls on the new Administration and Congress to do: - Withdraw from Iraq *all* US troops, *and* all military contractors. The Iraqi Parliament agreed to a 2011 deadline, but don't wait. Make it plain that the US will keep no military bases there. - End the war in Afghanistan. As in Iraq, our invasion violates international law; and as in Iraq, our violent presence there only strengthens our opponents. Even our own military have acknowledged that military means will not suffice in Afghanistan. Encourage the Afghan government's efforts to negotiate with the Taliban, including all who are willing to talk. - Cease illegal and counterproductive incursions into Pakistan, Syria, Somalia, ... - Renew US efforts to resolve Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including dismantling West Bank settlements. Support the 2002 Arab League offer for peace in exchange for a return to the 1967 borders and agreement on refugee status. Negotiate with Hamas (as 64% of Israelis support doing) -- they won free and fair elections. - Put our vast military spending, including our own weapons of mass destruction, on the table for cuts. - Close Guantanamo Bay, and end use of torture, as promised, and promptly. - Whether by prosecution of those who created and justified the policies, or by a Truth Commission, ensure that the world and the US people know we understand that wars of aggression, torture and arbitrary imprisonment are never acceptable. - Talk with Iran, as promised, without preconditions. Reestablish US diplomatic representation. Make clear that the US will accept a peaceful Iranian nuclear power program under international supervision. Seek Iran's help in resolving Middle East conflicts, including in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine, and Lebanon. - Rethink our policies toward Central America and Latin America. End our long-running, counterproductive embargo against Cuba, and open a dialog with the Cuban government. Repair relations with Venezuela and Bolivia, including restoring Bolivia's preferential access to US markets. - Repudiate the Bush Administration's signing statements, and the whole notion that a President can override laws by fiat. Stop this terrible precedent now. [*] http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081201/piven Article by Frances Fox Piven's in the Dec. 1, 2008 issue of The Nation [**] http://www.anti-war.net/ AWARE meets every Sunday at 5PM in the basement of the Independent Media Center, Broadway & Elm, Urbana. ========================================== On 1/7/17 7:13 AM, Ricky Baldwin via Peace-discuss wrote: > It is interesting to note that this flyer from the Bush-Obama > transition nowhere mentions Bush, who started the specific wars in > question (at least in their most recent form) and includes specific > calls to action (phone numbers, etc.) to reach the president-elect, > yet the new flyer for the Obama-Trump transition seemingly can't let > go of beating up Obama for his crimes and hardly mentions Trump > hypocrisy in any equivalent way or specifically calls on people to > petition their government. > > An effective flyer would not only challenge and inform (agitate and > educate) but tap into thoughts and feelings in its intended audience > to move people into action (organize). I hope the goal is always to > encourage resistance and opposition to war and racism and not simply > to attack and distinguish oneself from people with whom one may disagree. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > > Here’s a flyer that AWARE distributed eight years ago, as Bush was > leaving office. > > >> *U.S. WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST: AFGHANISTAN* >> >> Some people think that Barack Obama is poised for an historic >> presidency that could unite this country and lead us to a better >> future. He has talked of ending wars and negotiating >> diplomatically with world leaders. Earlier this year he said, >> */"I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset >> that got us into war." /*This talk and these positions gave us >> some hope for peace in the world and an end to the millions of >> killings. And millions of our people voted for Obama. >> >> *Just recently, though, he spoke of sending a surge of tens of >> thousands of troops into Afghanistan.* *Whoa!* We already have >> more than 30,000 U.S. troops there, in addition to more than >> 140,000 troops and maybe 50,000 mercenaries in 17 permanent bases >> in Iraq. And we will never "win" the war in Iraq, nor the one in >> Afghanistan. How can we not have learned at least that much? >> How can we kill one more person, one more old man, one more >> woman, one more child? And how can we stand losing even one more >> of our young men and women? And did you know that the recent >> U.S. military death count in Afghanistan exceeds that in Iraq? >> >> Obama has made major appointments of people who have supported >> the wars and the killings; these evoke serious concerns. *He must >> defy the War Party and the corporate interests surrounding him*, >> and pay homage to the millions of Americans who want real change >> -- and the ones who voted for him and made him president. >> >> That which we do not resist, we may be forced to accept. >> Millions of us want the wars to stop -- recent surveys suggest as >> many as 70%-80%. Then anti-war movement needs to move >> immediately to oppose this shift of the "central front" of the >> fraudulent "war on terror" to Afghanistan. We must not be silent >> and let the "surge" of American troops into Afghanistan become a >> reality. >> >> The U.S. "war on terror," which began after the crimes of >> September 11, 2001, was not just a campaign against the Taliban, >> Al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden, but *a broad global war to control >> Afghanistan and to the keep the U.S. the global superpower with >> permanent domination over the Middle East.* It will be fought >> the same way that the war in Iraq is being fought, where most of >> he people killed are civilians. There is no such thing as a good >> war on terror -- as Benjamin Franklin wrote on another September >> 11, in 1773, >> >> /"After much occasion to consider the folly and mischiefs of a >> state of warfare, and the little or no advantage obtained even by >> those nations who have conducted it with the most success, I have >> been apt to think /*/that there has never been, nor ever will be, >> any such thing as /a good war, or a bad peace*/."/ >> >> *We must show the people in the Middle East and in the world that >> in the U.S. there is a difference between the people and the >> government.* And we must stand up and show our government that >> the great majority of us do not agree with more war. >> >> *Silence and passivity don't work.* We can't wait and see. The >> "surge" must be stopped before it is started. We must be >> visible, and we must be heard. Our world does not need any more >> war. >> >> *We can write letters and make phone calls now -- right now! * >> Obama (and Bush) needs to hear from us (202.456.1111) -- perhaps >> we can remind him of his desire to */"end the war [and] end the >> mindset that got us into war." /*Congressman Johnson needs to >> hear from us (202.224.3121), and Senator Durbin needs to hear >> from us (202.224.3121), and any other person whom we can tell >> needs to hear from us. And we can all write and make phone calls... >> >> /###/ >> >> {This comment, by Linda Weber, was cablecast on */AWARE on the >> Air/* on 23 December 2008. >> The program, presented by members and friends of the Anti-War >> Anti-Racism Effort >> of Champaign-Urbana, is seen every Tuesday at 10:00pm on cable >> channel 6.} >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 13:50:21 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:50:21 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: <2ED41C05-1DEE-4390-A616-FBBC2DD52287@illinois.edu> References: <2ED41C05-1DEE-4390-A616-FBBC2DD52287@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I like the change of “Obama” to “US” or US government in many places, that Karen Medina has suggested, one I have suggested many times as well, with no success. However I question “The Obama administration is also “partly” responsible for the “civil” war . The addition of “partly” is I believe misleading because it minimizes the US role, Implying others are more responsible though others likely wouldn’t be involved at all if not for US involvement. Also, though the main stream media refers to it as a “civil” war, that is open to debate. On Jan 7, 2017, at 04:49, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: Thats the crucial issue today, and it’s there in the draft. After a description (which your edit removes) of Obama’s behavior in office, it says, "And the supporters of those murderous policies, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration." On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:30 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss > wrote: I like the part about obama furiosly trying to lock trump into the neocon wars. You should put that in the flyer. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > Date: 1/6/17 22:28 (GMT-06:00) To: Karen Medina > Cc: Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 Karen— I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama. Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy: the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order to do this. We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration into it. (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.) Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out included. Regards, Carl > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss > wrote: > > Dear Peace-Discuss, > > I was reading through Carl's flyer. > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency. > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US in a few places. > > -karen medina > --- > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] > --- > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . > > The United States is continues making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. > > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” > > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. > > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for it: President Obama launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! > > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. > > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. > > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. > > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. > > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. > > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. > > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. > > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." > > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? > > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. > > ~~~ > {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 14:00:50 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:00:50 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer from eight years ago In-Reply-To: <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345C46EA-9809-4E0C-AB18-A2CAA820648F@illinois.edu> <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The flyer from the Bush-Obama transition does in fact mention Bush, in the context of condemning his “war on Terror”- which the new president was elected to end. The ongoing war makes it unfortunately quite similar to the current flyer. It doesn’t minimize the incumbent president’s war-making. (But we're now able to see that it shows up Obama’s mendacity - "I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into war” - as he expanded Bush’s wars.) > On Jan 7, 2017, at 7:13 AM, Ricky Baldwin wrote: > > It is interesting to note that this flyer from the Bush-Obama transition nowhere mentions Bush, who started the specific wars in question (at least in their most recent form) and includes specific calls to action (phone numbers, etc.) to reach the president-elect, yet the new flyer for the Obama-Trump transition seemingly can't let go of beating up Obama for his crimes and hardly mentions Trump hypocrisy in any equivalent way or specifically calls on people to petition their government. > > An effective flyer would not only challenge and inform (agitate and educate) but tap into thoughts and feelings in its intended audience to move people into action (organize). I hope the goal is always to encourage resistance and opposition to war and racism and not simply to attack and distinguish oneself from people with whom one may disagree. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > Here’s a flyer that AWARE distributed eight years ago, as Bush was leaving office. > > >> U.S. WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST: AFGHANISTAN >> >> Some people think that Barack Obama is poised for an historic presidency that could unite this country and lead us to a better future. He has talked of ending wars and negotiating diplomatically with world leaders. Earlier this year he said, "I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into war." This talk and these positions gave us some hope for peace in the world and an end to the millions of killings. And millions of our people voted for Obama. >> >> Just recently, though, he spoke of sending a surge of tens of thousands of troops into Afghanistan. Whoa! We already have more than 30,000 U.S. troops there, in addition to more than 140,000 troops and maybe 50,000 mercenaries in 17 permanent bases in Iraq. And we will never "win" the war in Iraq, nor the one in Afghanistan. How can we not have learned at least that much? How can we kill one more person, one more old man, one more woman, one more child? And how can we stand losing even one more of our young men and women? And did you know that the recent U.S. military death count in Afghanistan exceeds that in Iraq? >> >> Obama has made major appointments of people who have supported the wars and the killings; these evoke serious concerns. He must defy the War Party and the corporate interests surrounding him, and pay homage to the millions of Americans who want real change -- and the ones who voted for him and made him president. >> >> That which we do not resist, we may be forced to accept. Millions of us want the wars to stop -- recent surveys suggest as many as 70%-80%. Then anti-war movement needs to move immediately to oppose this shift of the "central front" of the fraudulent "war on terror" to Afghanistan. We must not be silent and let the "surge" of American troops into Afghanistan become a reality. >> >> The U.S. "war on terror," which began after the crimes of September 11, 2001, was not just a campaign against the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden, but a broad global war to control Afghanistan and to the keep the U.S. the global superpower with permanent domination over the Middle East. It will be fought the same way that the war in Iraq is being fought, where most of he people killed are civilians. There is no such thing as a good war on terror -- as Benjamin Franklin wrote on another September 11, in 1773, >> >> "After much occasion to consider the folly and mischiefs of a state of warfare, and the little or no advantage obtained even by those nations who have conducted it with the most success, I have been apt to think that there has never been, nor ever will be, any such thing as a good war, or a bad peace." >> >> We must show the people in the Middle East and in the world that in the U.S. there is a difference between the people and the government. And we must stand up and show our government that the great majority of us do not agree with more war. >> >> Silence and passivity don't work. We can't wait and see. The "surge" must be stopped before it is started. We must be visible, and we must be heard. Our world does not need any more war. >> >> We can write letters and make phone calls now -- right now! Obama (and Bush) needs to hear from us (202.456.1111) -- perhaps we can remind him of his desire to "end the war [and] end the mindset that got us into war." Congressman Johnson needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and Senator Durbin needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and any other person whom we can tell needs to hear from us. And we can all write and make phone calls... >> >> ### >> >> {This comment, by Linda Weber, was cablecast on AWARE on the Air on 23 December 2008. >> The program, presented by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort >> of Champaign-Urbana, is seen every Tuesday at 10:00pm on cable channel 6.} >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 14:00:50 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:00:50 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer from eight years ago In-Reply-To: <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> References: <345C46EA-9809-4E0C-AB18-A2CAA820648F@illinois.edu> <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The flyer from the Bush-Obama transition does in fact mention Bush, in the context of condemning his “war on Terror”- which the new president was elected to end. The ongoing war makes it unfortunately quite similar to the current flyer. It doesn’t minimize the incumbent president’s war-making. (But we're now able to see that it shows up Obama’s mendacity - "I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into war” - as he expanded Bush’s wars.) > On Jan 7, 2017, at 7:13 AM, Ricky Baldwin wrote: > > It is interesting to note that this flyer from the Bush-Obama transition nowhere mentions Bush, who started the specific wars in question (at least in their most recent form) and includes specific calls to action (phone numbers, etc.) to reach the president-elect, yet the new flyer for the Obama-Trump transition seemingly can't let go of beating up Obama for his crimes and hardly mentions Trump hypocrisy in any equivalent way or specifically calls on people to petition their government. > > An effective flyer would not only challenge and inform (agitate and educate) but tap into thoughts and feelings in its intended audience to move people into action (organize). I hope the goal is always to encourage resistance and opposition to war and racism and not simply to attack and distinguish oneself from people with whom one may disagree. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > Here’s a flyer that AWARE distributed eight years ago, as Bush was leaving office. > > >> U.S. WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST: AFGHANISTAN >> >> Some people think that Barack Obama is poised for an historic presidency that could unite this country and lead us to a better future. He has talked of ending wars and negotiating diplomatically with world leaders. Earlier this year he said, "I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into war." This talk and these positions gave us some hope for peace in the world and an end to the millions of killings. And millions of our people voted for Obama. >> >> Just recently, though, he spoke of sending a surge of tens of thousands of troops into Afghanistan. Whoa! We already have more than 30,000 U.S. troops there, in addition to more than 140,000 troops and maybe 50,000 mercenaries in 17 permanent bases in Iraq. And we will never "win" the war in Iraq, nor the one in Afghanistan. How can we not have learned at least that much? How can we kill one more person, one more old man, one more woman, one more child? And how can we stand losing even one more of our young men and women? And did you know that the recent U.S. military death count in Afghanistan exceeds that in Iraq? >> >> Obama has made major appointments of people who have supported the wars and the killings; these evoke serious concerns. He must defy the War Party and the corporate interests surrounding him, and pay homage to the millions of Americans who want real change -- and the ones who voted for him and made him president. >> >> That which we do not resist, we may be forced to accept. Millions of us want the wars to stop -- recent surveys suggest as many as 70%-80%. Then anti-war movement needs to move immediately to oppose this shift of the "central front" of the fraudulent "war on terror" to Afghanistan. We must not be silent and let the "surge" of American troops into Afghanistan become a reality. >> >> The U.S. "war on terror," which began after the crimes of September 11, 2001, was not just a campaign against the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden, but a broad global war to control Afghanistan and to the keep the U.S. the global superpower with permanent domination over the Middle East. It will be fought the same way that the war in Iraq is being fought, where most of he people killed are civilians. There is no such thing as a good war on terror -- as Benjamin Franklin wrote on another September 11, in 1773, >> >> "After much occasion to consider the folly and mischiefs of a state of warfare, and the little or no advantage obtained even by those nations who have conducted it with the most success, I have been apt to think that there has never been, nor ever will be, any such thing as a good war, or a bad peace." >> >> We must show the people in the Middle East and in the world that in the U.S. there is a difference between the people and the government. And we must stand up and show our government that the great majority of us do not agree with more war. >> >> Silence and passivity don't work. We can't wait and see. The "surge" must be stopped before it is started. We must be visible, and we must be heard. Our world does not need any more war. >> >> We can write letters and make phone calls now -- right now! Obama (and Bush) needs to hear from us (202.456.1111) -- perhaps we can remind him of his desire to "end the war [and] end the mindset that got us into war." Congressman Johnson needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and Senator Durbin needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and any other person whom we can tell needs to hear from us. And we can all write and make phone calls... >> >> ### >> >> {This comment, by Linda Weber, was cablecast on AWARE on the Air on 23 December 2008. >> The program, presented by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort >> of Champaign-Urbana, is seen every Tuesday at 10:00pm on cable channel 6.} >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 14:03:40 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:03:40 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer from eight years ago In-Reply-To: <5e00778d-983a-0253-c1de-7993f85cbbd3@illinois.edu> References: <345C46EA-9809-4E0C-AB18-A2CAA820648F@illinois.edu> <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> <5e00778d-983a-0253-c1de-7993f85cbbd3@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I think we need not one but two demo’s/fliers this month, only the bravest will be out today. Today, the flyer constructed as is by Carl reflects current events, there is real fear by many people, of war with Russia before Trump takes power. However, we do need to do something before Trump takes power as well, pertaining to his upcoming administration. I suggest a demo. on or before the 20th. In the seventies we referred to it as a “Counter Inaugural”, the below document could be used as a template for the incoming Trump administration, as Stuart suggests. On Jan 7, 2017, at 05:30, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: Here's another flyer from eight years ago (December, 2008). As Obama did then, Trump now needs a protest movement. ============================================================= AWARE calls on the Obama administration to live up to the promise of change Do we need to do this? Shouldn't we just wait and see what he does? No! There's a great deal of power and trillions of dollars of money at stake in keeping things as they are, from the military industry, the new "security" industry, the media industry, the oil industry, the banking industry, from many sorts of powerful constituencies. They speak with confidence, calling Obama's Bush- and Clinton-era appointments "pragmatic" and "non-ideological". Beware of such labels: "pragmatism" implies not questioning assumptions, such as the assumption that the US has an inalienable right to use military force anywhere in the world, that major changes to the way we use energy or provide health care are just not feasible, that "free market" practices serve our people well, that erosion of civil liberties and use of torture are regrettable but necessary. That's why... Obama Needs a Protest Movement [*] Obama is being compared with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who brought in the New Deal, the fruits of which (Social Security, labor protections, infrastructure creation, ...) we still depend on. But as Frances Fox Piven[*] and others argue, FDR didn't and wouldn't have done it alone: "mass protests [...] forced him to make choices he would otherwise have avoided [...] the rise of protest movements forced the new president and the Democratic Congress to become bold reformers." Obama and the Congress need our pressure now to resist pressure from our opponents, who are not waiting. We must call on the Administration to carry out the best of Obama's promises, and to do other things which he has not promised. Join us [**], join other groups, act on your own, but act. Write letters to the editor, to the new Administration, to Congress. Make signs and demonstrate. Talk with your neighbors. Some things AWARE [**] calls on the new Administration and Congress to do: - Withdraw from Iraq *all* US troops, *and* all military contractors. The Iraqi Parliament agreed to a 2011 deadline, but don't wait. Make it plain that the US will keep no military bases there. - End the war in Afghanistan. As in Iraq, our invasion violates international law; and as in Iraq, our violent presence there only strengthens our opponents. Even our own military have acknowledged that military means will not suffice in Afghanistan. Encourage the Afghan government's efforts to negotiate with the Taliban, including all who are willing to talk. - Cease illegal and counterproductive incursions into Pakistan, Syria, Somalia, ... - Renew US efforts to resolve Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including dismantling West Bank settlements. Support the 2002 Arab League offer for peace in exchange for a return to the 1967 borders and agreement on refugee status. Negotiate with Hamas (as 64% of Israelis support doing) -- they won free and fair elections. - Put our vast military spending, including our own weapons of mass destruction, on the table for cuts. - Close Guantanamo Bay, and end use of torture, as promised, and promptly. - Whether by prosecution of those who created and justified the policies, or by a Truth Commission, ensure that the world and the US people know we understand that wars of aggression, torture and arbitrary imprisonment are never acceptable. - Talk with Iran, as promised, without preconditions. Reestablish US diplomatic representation. Make clear that the US will accept a peaceful Iranian nuclear power program under international supervision. Seek Iran's help in resolving Middle East conflicts, including in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine, and Lebanon. - Rethink our policies toward Central America and Latin America. End our long-running, counterproductive embargo against Cuba, and open a dialog with the Cuban government. Repair relations with Venezuela and Bolivia, including restoring Bolivia's preferential access to US markets. - Repudiate the Bush Administration's signing statements, and the whole notion that a President can override laws by fiat. Stop this terrible precedent now. [*] http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081201/piven Article by Frances Fox Piven's in the Dec. 1, 2008 issue of The Nation [**] http://www.anti-war.net/ AWARE meets every Sunday at 5PM in the basement of the Independent Media Center, Broadway & Elm, Urbana. ========================================== On 1/7/17 7:13 AM, Ricky Baldwin via Peace-discuss wrote: It is interesting to note that this flyer from the Bush-Obama transition nowhere mentions Bush, who started the specific wars in question (at least in their most recent form) and includes specific calls to action (phone numbers, etc.) to reach the president-elect, yet the new flyer for the Obama-Trump transition seemingly can't let go of beating up Obama for his crimes and hardly mentions Trump hypocrisy in any equivalent way or specifically calls on people to petition their government. An effective flyer would not only challenge and inform (agitate and educate) but tap into thoughts and feelings in its intended audience to move people into action (organize). I hope the goal is always to encourage resistance and opposition to war and racism and not simply to attack and distinguish oneself from people with whom one may disagree. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Here’s a flyer that AWARE distributed eight years ago, as Bush was leaving office. U.S. WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST: AFGHANISTAN Some people think that Barack Obama is poised for an historic presidency that could unite this country and lead us to a better future. He has talked of ending wars and negotiating diplomatically with world leaders. Earlier this year he said, "I don't want to just end the war, I want to end the mindset that got us into war." This talk and these positions gave us some hope for peace in the world and an end to the millions of killings. And millions of our people voted for Obama. Just recently, though, he spoke of sending a surge of tens of thousands of troops into Afghanistan. Whoa! We already have more than 30,000 U.S. troops there, in addition to more than 140,000 troops and maybe 50,000 mercenaries in 17 permanent bases in Iraq. And we will never "win" the war in Iraq, nor the one in Afghanistan. How can we not have learned at least that much? How can we kill one more person, one more old man, one more woman, one more child? And how can we stand losing even one more of our young men and women? And did you know that the recent U.S. military death count in Afghanistan exceeds that in Iraq? Obama has made major appointments of people who have supported the wars and the killings; these evoke serious concerns. He must defy the War Party and the corporate interests surrounding him, and pay homage to the millions of Americans who want real change -- and the ones who voted for him and made him president. That which we do not resist, we may be forced to accept. Millions of us want the wars to stop -- recent surveys suggest as many as 70%-80%. Then anti-war movement needs to move immediately to oppose this shift of the "central front" of the fraudulent "war on terror" to Afghanistan. We must not be silent and let the "surge" of American troops into Afghanistan become a reality. The U.S. "war on terror," which began after the crimes of September 11, 2001, was not just a campaign against the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and Osama bin Laden, but a broad global war to control Afghanistan and to the keep the U.S. the global superpower with permanent domination over the Middle East. It will be fought the same way that the war in Iraq is being fought, where most of he people killed are civilians. There is no such thing as a good war on terror -- as Benjamin Franklin wrote on another September 11, in 1773, "After much occasion to consider the folly and mischiefs of a state of warfare, and the little or no advantage obtained even by those nations who have conducted it with the most success, I have been apt to think that there has never been, nor ever will be, any such thing as a good war, or a bad peace." We must show the people in the Middle East and in the world that in the U.S. there is a difference between the people and the government. And we must stand up and show our government that the great majority of us do not agree with more war. Silence and passivity don't work. We can't wait and see. The "surge" must be stopped before it is started. We must be visible, and we must be heard. Our world does not need any more war. We can write letters and make phone calls now -- right now! Obama (and Bush) needs to hear from us (202.456.1111) -- perhaps we can remind him of his desire to "end the war [and] end the mindset that got us into war." Congressman Johnson needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and Senator Durbin needs to hear from us (202.224.3121), and any other person whom we can tell needs to hear from us. And we can all write and make phone calls... ### {This comment, by Linda Weber, was cablecast on AWARE on the Air on 23 December 2008. 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URL: From baldwinricky at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 14:05:08 2017 From: baldwinricky at yahoo.com (Ricky Baldwin) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: <2ED41C05-1DEE-4390-A616-FBBC2DD52287@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1788455468.170307.1483797908451@mail.yahoo.com> Karen's version is much improved.  I do not think overemphasizing the outgoing president's crimes (as AWARE did not do 8 years ago) is worth the space.  Four years is a lot longer than 2 weeks.  Ricky Baldwin "Speak your mind, even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn On Saturday, January 7, 2017 7:50 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: I like the change of “Obama” to “US” or US government in many places, that Karen Medina has suggested, one I have suggested many times as well, with no success.  However I question “The Obama administration is also “partly” responsible for the “civil” war .  The addition of “partly” is I believe misleading because it minimizes the US role, Implying others are more responsible though others likely wouldn’t be involved at all if not for US involvement.  Also, though the main stream media refers to it as a “civil” war, that is open to debate. On Jan 7, 2017, at 04:49, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Thats the crucial issue today, and it’s there in the draft.  After a description (which your edit removes) of Obama’s behavior in office, it says, "And the supporters of those murderous policies, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration."    On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:30 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss wrote: I like the part about obama furiosly trying to lock trump into the neocon wars. You should put that in the flyer.  Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: "Carl G. Estabrook" Date: 1/6/17 22:28 (GMT-06:00) To: Karen Medina Cc: Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm /   January 7, 2017 Karen— I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama. Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy: the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order to do this. We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration into it. (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.) Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out included. Regards, Carl > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Dear Peace-Discuss, > > I was reading through Carl's flyer. > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency. > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US in a few places. > > -karen medina > --- > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] > --- > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . > > The United States is continues making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. > > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” > > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. > > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for it: President Obama  launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! > > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. > > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. > > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. > > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. > > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. > > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. > > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. > > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." > > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? > > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. > > ~~~ >         {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: What I object to is removing descriptions of Obama’ war policies  - supposedly irrelevant because he’s a "Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency.” But it’s exactly those policies that the Democrats and the neocons are desperate to turn Trump to.  On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:23 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baldwinricky at yahoo.com Sat Jan 7 14:12:18 2017 From: baldwinricky at yahoo.com (Ricky Baldwin) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: <8CC1611A-F3D5-4ACD-9204-56635C4100B8@illinois.edu> References: <8CC1611A-F3D5-4ACD-9204-56635C4100B8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <440580629.169813.1483798338631@mail.yahoo.com> Eight years ago, did you make the same argument to lambast Bush's policies that threatened to continue? It's not in that flyer. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: What I object to is removing descriptions of Obama’ war policies  - supposedly irrelevant because he’s a "Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency.” But it’s exactly those policies that the Democrats and the neocons are desperate to turn Trump to.  On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:23 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 14:24:21 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 08:24:21 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: <1788455468.170307.1483797908451@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2ED41C05-1DEE-4390-A616-FBBC2DD52287@illinois.edu> <1788455468.170307.1483797908451@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8941EDA1-1A3E-4781-913C-2FA372D06CDD@illinois.edu> I continue to marvel at Obama’s ability “to cloud men’s [and women’s] minds.” (I’ll buy a beer for anyone old enough to get that reference.) He expanded Bush’s wars and launched "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times - his drone assassinations” (Chomsky). Refusing to prosecute the Bush administration’s torture (which his administration continued sub rosa), Obama said he had “a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards.” Suppose the Nuremberg tribunal had said that? The problem is acute today as Obama and the neocons work furiously to bend the Trump administration to their war policies. We should expose and oppose that - not minimize Obama’s crimes. —CGE > On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Ricky Baldwin wrote: > > Karen's version is much improved. I do not think overemphasizing the outgoing president's crimes (as AWARE did not do 8 years ago) is worth the space. Four years is a lot longer than 2 weeks. > > > > Ricky Baldwin > "Speak your mind, even if your voice shakes." > - Maggie Kuhn > > > On Saturday, January 7, 2017 7:50 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > I like the change of “Obama” to “US” or US government in many places, that Karen Medina has suggested, one I have suggested many times as well, with no success. > > However I question “The Obama administration is also “partly” responsible for the “civil” war . The addition of “partly” is I believe misleading because it minimizes the US role, Implying others are more responsible though others likely wouldn’t be involved at all if not for US involvement. > > Also, though the main stream media refers to it as a “civil” war, that is open to debate. > > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 04:49, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> Thats the crucial issue today, and it’s there in the draft. >> >> After a description (which your edit removes) of Obama’s behavior in office, it says, >> >> "And the supporters of those murderous policies, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration." >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:30 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> I like the part about obama furiosly trying to lock trump into the neocon wars. You should put that in the flyer. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > >>> Date: 1/6/17 22:28 (GMT-06:00) >>> To: Karen Medina > >>> Cc: Peace-discuss List > >>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 >>> >>> Karen— >>> >>> I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama. >>> >>> Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy: the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order to do this. >>> >>> We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration into it. >>> >>> (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.) >>> >>> Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out included. >>> >>> Regards, Carl >>> >>> >>> > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear Peace-Discuss, >>> > >>> > I was reading through Carl's flyer. >>> > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency. >>> > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. >>> > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US in a few places. >>> > >>> > -karen medina >>> > --- >>> > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. >>> > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] >>> > --- >>> > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - >>> > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. >>> > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . >>> > >>> > The United States is continues making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. >>> > >>> > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” >>> > >>> > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. >>> > >>> > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for it: President Obama launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! >>> > >>> > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. >>> > >>> > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. >>> > >>> > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. >>> > >>> > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. >>> > >>> > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. >>> > >>> > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. >>> > >>> > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. >>> > >>> > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." >>> > >>> > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? >>> > >>> > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump >>> > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; >>> > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; >>> > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); >>> > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & >>> > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. >>> > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. >>> > >>> > ~~~ >>> > {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Peace-discuss mailing list >>> > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > What I object to is removing descriptions of Obama’ war policies - supposedly irrelevant because he’s a "Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency.” > > But it’s exactly those policies that the Democrats and the neocons are desperate to turn Trump to. > > > >> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:23 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 14:41:31 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 14:41:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: <8CC1611A-F3D5-4ACD-9204-56635C4100B8@illinois.edu> <440580629.169813.1483798338631@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Eight years ago, we hadn’t destroyed Libya, we weren’t involved in a war with Syria, we weren’t provoking war with China, and we weren’t on the verge of a major if not nuclear war with Russia, which could still occur within the next couple weeks. I suggest a Counter Inaugural on the 20th, as some thousands did in 1973 to protest the re-election of Nixon. We can then address our concerns for the Trump administration at that time, our formulaic monthly demo. can take place today as usual but focusing on the concerns of today. On Jan 7, 2017, at 06:29, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: Yes. Eight years ago, no one in the anti-war movement was minimizing Bush’s crimes, as some are minimizing Obama’s today. On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Ricky Baldwin > wrote: Eight years ago, did you make the same argument to lambast Bush's policies that threatened to continue? It's not in that flyer. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: What I object to is removing descriptions of Obama’ war policies - supposedly irrelevant because he’s a "Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency.” But it’s exactly those policies that the Democrats and the neocons are desperate to turn Trump to. On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:23 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss > wrote: _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 15:01:23 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 09:01:23 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer from eight years ago In-Reply-To: <5e00778d-983a-0253-c1de-7993f85cbbd3@illinois.edu> References: <345C46EA-9809-4E0C-AB18-A2CAA820648F@illinois.edu> <1770697474.148870.1483794809971@mail.yahoo.com> <5e00778d-983a-0253-c1de-7993f85cbbd3@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Yes, indeed, particularly as the outgoing administration is moving heaven and earth to convince the new administration to follow its war plans. Those policies are so bad that “Obama" can be replaced with “Trump” in the following flyer, and it would unfortunately make sense. I.e., the Obama administration primarily made things worse. Compare the depredations the USG is responsible for today with eight years ago: > That testifies to the continuity of US war policy, even under an agreeable mask. And now the political establishment is trying to make sure that Trump changes nothing. But the self-proclaimed “most transparent administration in history” was far from that, and did an excellent job of hiding the crimes it was committing. E.g., most Americans have no idea how many people Obama has killed with his drone assassinations. (It’s a “secret” program.) —CGE > On Jan 7, 2017, at 7:30 AM, Stuart Levy wrote: > > Here's another flyer from eight years ago (December, 2008). As Obama did then, Trump now needs a protest movement. > > ============================================================= > AWARE calls on the Obama administration > to live up to the promise of change > > Do we need to do this? Shouldn't we just wait and see what he does? No! > There's a great deal of power and trillions of dollars of money at stake in > keeping things as they are, from the military industry, the new "security" > industry, the media industry, the oil industry, the banking industry, from many > sorts of powerful constituencies. They speak with confidence, calling Obama's > Bush- and Clinton-era appointments "pragmatic" and "non-ideological". > > Beware of such labels: "pragmatism" implies not questioning assumptions, such as the > assumption that the US has an inalienable right to use military force anywhere in > the world, that major changes to the way we use energy or provide health care are > just not feasible, that "free market" practices serve our people well, that erosion > of civil liberties and use of torture are regrettable but necessary. That's why... > > Obama Needs a Protest Movement [*] > > Obama is being compared with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who brought in the New Deal, > the fruits of which (Social Security, labor protections, infrastructure creation, ...) > we still depend on. But as Frances Fox Piven[*] and others argue, FDR didn't and > wouldn't have done it alone: "mass protests [...] forced him to make choices he > would otherwise have avoided [...] the rise of protest movements forced the new > president and the Democratic Congress to become bold reformers." > > Obama and the Congress need our pressure now to resist pressure from our opponents, > who are not waiting. We must call on the Administration to carry out the best of > Obama's promises, and to do other things which he has not promised. Join us [**], > join other groups, act on your own, but act. Write letters to the editor, to the new > Administration, to Congress. Make signs and demonstrate. Talk with your neighbors. > > Some things AWARE [**] calls on the new Administration and Congress to do: > > - Withdraw from Iraq *all* US troops, *and* all military contractors. > The Iraqi Parliament agreed to a 2011 deadline, but don't wait. > Make it plain that the US will keep no military bases there. > > - End the war in Afghanistan. As in Iraq, our invasion violates international law; > and as in Iraq, our violent presence there only strengthens our opponents. Even > our own military have acknowledged that military means will not suffice in > Afghanistan. Encourage the Afghan government's efforts to negotiate with the > Taliban, including all who are willing to talk. > > - Cease illegal and counterproductive incursions into Pakistan, Syria, Somalia, ... > > - Renew US efforts to resolve Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including dismantling > West Bank settlements. Support the 2002 Arab League offer for peace in exchange > for a return to the 1967 borders and agreement on refugee status. Negotiate with > Hamas (as 64% of Israelis support doing) -- they won free and fair elections. > > - Put our vast military spending, including our own weapons of mass destruction, > on the table for cuts. > > - Close Guantanamo Bay, and end use of torture, as promised, and promptly. > > - Whether by prosecution of those who created and justified the policies, or by a > Truth Commission, ensure that the world and the US people know we understand that > wars of aggression, torture and arbitrary imprisonment are never acceptable. > > - Talk with Iran, as promised, without preconditions. Reestablish US diplomatic > representation. Make clear that the US will accept a peaceful Iranian nuclear power > program under international supervision. Seek Iran's help in resolving Middle East > conflicts, including in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine, and Lebanon. > > - Rethink our policies toward Central America and Latin America. End our > long-running, counterproductive embargo against Cuba, and open a dialog > with the Cuban government. Repair relations with Venezuela and Bolivia, > including restoring Bolivia's preferential access to US markets. > > - Repudiate the Bush Administration's signing statements, and the whole notion > that a President can override laws by fiat. Stop this terrible precedent now. > > [*] http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081201/piven > Article by Frances Fox Piven's in the Dec. 1, 2008 issue of The Nation > > [**] http://www.anti-war.net/ AWARE meets every Sunday at 5PM in the basement > of the Independent Media Center, Broadway & Elm, Urbana. > ========================================== -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 17:03:55 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 17:03:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My concern in respect to the upcoming Trump Administration/my comments at the bottom. Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Trump’s coming confrontation with China 7 January 2017 US President-elect Donald Trump is preparing to dramatically intensify Washington’s confrontation with Beijing across the board—diplomatically, economically and militarily—through reckless measures that risk trade war and war. His bellicose economic threats against China during the election campaign have been followed by a series of provocative tweets that have exacerbated tensions with Beijing over some of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints—Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula and the South China Sea. Trump’s belligerent anti-China stance is bound up with the intense conflict within the US state apparatus and political establishment over the future direction of foreign and military policy. After suffering debacles in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, the question raging in ruling circles is how to use America’s residual military might to ensure its global hegemony, and against which of its major rivals—Russia or China? One faction is exploiting unsubstantiated allegations that Russian hacking influenced the outcome of the presidential election in Trump’s favour to greatly inflate the threat posed by Moscow and undermine the president-elect. Trump, however, speaks for a layer of the corporate, political and military elites who regard China’s rise to the world’s second largest economy as a greater danger to US interests. As he prepared to meet with top US intelligence officials yesterday, Trump once again played down allegations of Russian hacking and instead shifted the focus to China. “China, relatively recently, hacked 20 million government names,” he told the New York Times, referring to the alleged breach of the US Office of Personnel Management computers two year ago. “How come nobody even talks about that? This is a political witchhunt.” Despite the intensity of the infighting, the divisions are tactical. Trump’s “America First” jingoism makes clear that his administration will tolerate no challenge to US power from any rivals, including Russia. Trump has already signaled his intention, on his first day in office, to end US involvement in the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)—the principal economic weapon of the Obama administration’s “pivot to Asia” aimed at subordinating China to US interests. The purpose of tearing up the TPP, however, is to make way for far more aggressive trade measures. Trump has threatened to brand China as a currency manipulator and to impose tariffs of up to 45 percent on Chinese goods. Trump has appointed a gang of anti-China hawks and economic nationalists to implement trade policy, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, Robert Lighthizer as US Trade Secretary and Peter Navarro to head a new National Trade Council in the White House. Current US Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker told the Financial Times yesterday that senior Chinese officials have told her that Beijing would retaliate against US tariffs. She warned there was “a fine line between being tough and a trade war.” Trump’s trade war threats are a desperate attempt to reverse America’s economic decline. Ideologues like Ross, Navarro and Lighthizer accuse China of trading unfairly and stealing US jobs. China’s share of global goods exports has increased three-fold since it joined the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in 2001, while the US share has declined by 30 percent. This dramatic shift, however, is driven by China’s emergence as the world’s largest manufacturing hub, above all for global transnationals, including many of America’s largest corporations. While accusing Beijing of breaking trade rules, Trump is prepared to initiate punitive action against China, whether it conforms with the WTO framework or not. The eruption of trade war between the US and China would reverberate throughout the global economy, drawing in other countries with a stake in China and impacting severely on world trade. No longer having the economic muscle to lay down the international trade rules, the US has already begun a dramatic military build-up in Asia to assert its dominance, even if that leads to war with China. Trump and his advisors have not criticised the objective of Obama’s “pivot” but rather its ineffectiveness. They advocate more aggressive methods. Trump has pledged to expand the US army by 90,000 personnel and the navy by 40 ships to 350. The naval expansion is above all aimed against China, with Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani boasting in November: “At 350, China can’t match us in the Pacific.” Trump has already made clear that North Korea will be at the top of the foreign policy agenda. Earlier this week, he responded to an announcement by North Korea that it was preparing to test an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching continental America by flatly declaring: “It won’t happen.” He followed it with a second tweet criticising China for its failure to “help with North Korea”—in other words, to economically bully Pyongyang to meet US demands to dismantle its nuclear arsenal. By threatening unspecified action against North Korea, Trump is also putting Pyongyang’s only ally, China, on notice. More fundamentally, Trump has threatened to tear up the entire basis for US-Chinese relations since 1979—the One China policy under which Washington recognised Beijing as the sole, legitimate ruler of all China, including Taiwan. He incensed the Chinese regime when he took a phone call from Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen last month—the first direct contact between US and Taiwanese leaders for nearly four decades. As he declared that he would not feel bound by the One China policy, Trump lashed out at Beijing not only over trade and North Korea, but also for “building a massive fortress in the middle of the South China Sea, which they shouldn’t be doing.” His remark signals that he will confront China more aggressively in the South China Sea, where the Obama administration has already risked naval clashes by sending US warships into territorial waters claimed by China on so-called freedom of navigation operations. If there were any doubt that he is preparing for war, Trump’s tweet prior to Christmas that the US must “greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear [weapons] capacity” is a chilling warning of his reckless and militarist intentions. The logic of the trade war that Trump and his advisors advocate is the inexorable slide toward war between nuclear-armed powers. The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the international working class, unified on the basis of a socialist perspective to put an end to the social order that gives rise to war—capitalism and its outmoded division of the world into rival nation states. Peter Symonds WSWS.ORG If I were to edit this article, I would take out the last sentence in the last paragraph and simply say: The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the “American people.” Not that I don’t support socialism but because I don’t think we can stop war by waiting for a the unification of an international socialist movement to stop the killing. Given what is occurring currently. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 17:57:59 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 11:57:59 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: <8941EDA1-1A3E-4781-913C-2FA372D06CDD@illinois.edu> References: <2ED41C05-1DEE-4390-A616-FBBC2DD52287@illinois.edu> <1788455468.170307.1483797908451@mail.yahoo.com> <8941EDA1-1A3E-4781-913C-2FA372D06CDD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I agree that Obama and his administration have committed war crimes way beyond the war crimes of each previous administration. And I believe that each succeeding president will commit more. All governments lean toward endless war, concentration of power, and fascism, UNLESS the people stop it. If we were to write an article about Obama, then we should write an article about Obama. I see this flier as an article about 2017. Where we are. How WE can turn it around. -karen medina On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > I continue to marvel at Obama’s ability “to cloud men’s [and women’s] > minds.” (I’ll buy a beer for anyone old enough to get that reference.) > > He expanded Bush’s wars and launched "the most extreme terrorist campaign > of modern times - his drone assassinations” (Chomsky). > > Refusing to prosecute the Bush administration’s torture (which his > administration continued sub rosa), Obama said he had “a belief that we > need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards.” Suppose the > Nuremberg tribunal had said that? > > The problem is acute today as Obama and the neocons work furiously to bend > the Trump administration to their war policies. > > We should expose and oppose that - not minimize Obama’s crimes. —CGE > > > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Ricky Baldwin wrote: > > Karen's version is much improved. I do not think overemphasizing the > outgoing president's crimes (as AWARE did not do 8 years ago) is worth the > space. Four years is a lot longer than 2 weeks. > > > > Ricky Baldwin > "Speak your mind, even if your voice shakes." > - Maggie Kuhn > > > On Saturday, January 7, 2017 7:50 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > I like the change of “Obama” to “US” or US government in many places, that > Karen Medina has suggested, one I have suggested many times as well, with > no success. > > However I question “The Obama administration is also “partly” responsible > for the “civil” war . The addition of “partly” is I believe misleading > because it minimizes the US role, Implying others are more responsible > though others likely wouldn’t be involved at all if not for US involvement. > > Also, though the main stream media refers to it as a “civil” war, that is > open to debate. > > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 04:49, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > Thats the crucial issue today, and it’s there in the draft. > > After a description (which your edit removes) of Obama’s behavior in > office, it says, > > "And the supporters of those murderous policies, the neocons, are > desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration." > > > > > > On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:30 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > I like the part about obama furiosly trying to lock trump into the neocon > wars. You should put that in the flyer. > > > > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > Date: 1/6/17 22:28 (GMT-06:00) > To: Karen Medina > Cc: Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, > 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 > > Karen— > > I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think > they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and > Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama. > > Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy: > the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump > administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in > the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order > to do this. > > We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and > his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration > into it. > > (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as > actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.) > > Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out > included. > > Regards, Carl > > > > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > Dear Peace-Discuss, > > > > I was reading through Carl's flyer. > > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two > weeks left in his presidency. > > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they > currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. > > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US > in a few places. > > > > -karen medina > > --- > > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. > > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] > > --- > > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - > > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. > > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . > > > > The United States is continues making war around the world - although > most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. > > > > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million > people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The > greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” > > > > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting > with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against > Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel > killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking > war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also > commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, > active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping > ("rendition"), murder, and torture. > > > > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for > it: President Obama launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update > nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! > > > > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious > civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with > refugees. > > > > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two > generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of > the 1%, the American economic elite. > > > > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major > country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In > all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people > and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. > > > > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because > of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the > Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic > competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the > US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control > benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, > who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an > accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack > Obama administrations. > > > > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in > Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US > subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - > continues apace. > > > > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to > continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization > for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal > attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization > responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing > people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most > Americans don’t know it. > > > > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are > desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. > > > > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The > CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he > is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its > relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. > Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the > multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains > its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with > China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great > power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were > the issues not so dire." > > > > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find > reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ > lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China > have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from > war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it > for the benefit of America? > > > > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump > > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, > human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; > > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone > attacks; > > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 > foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); > > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi > Arabia; & > > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. > > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. > > > > ~~~ > > {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the > Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace-discuss mailing list > > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -- -- karen medina "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." - Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 7 18:34:12 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 12:34:12 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: <2ED41C05-1DEE-4390-A616-FBBC2DD52287@illinois.edu> <1788455468.170307.1483797908451@mail.yahoo.com> <8941EDA1-1A3E-4781-913C-2FA372D06CDD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I hope all the members & friends of AWARE who’ve participated in this discussion will participate in AWARE ON THE AIR, the tv program recorded noon-1pm on Tuesday at Urbana Public TV (100 Vine St., Urbana). It’s an unrehearsed panel discussion of the ongoing US war-making, which is being hidden and misrepresented by the administration and the media. (Here’s an example: >.) The recordings are cablecast and available on YouTube. —CGE > On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:57 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss wrote: > > I agree that Obama and his administration have committed war crimes way beyond the war crimes of each previous administration. > And I believe that each succeeding president will commit more. > > All governments lean toward endless war, concentration of power, and fascism, UNLESS the people stop it. > > If we were to write an article about Obama, then we should write an article about Obama. > I see this flier as an article about 2017. Where we are. How WE can turn it around. > > -karen medina > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > I continue to marvel at Obama’s ability “to cloud men’s [and women’s] minds.” (I’ll buy a beer for anyone old enough to get that reference.) > > He expanded Bush’s wars and launched "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times - his drone assassinations” (Chomsky). > > Refusing to prosecute the Bush administration’s torture (which his administration continued sub rosa), Obama said he had “a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards.” Suppose the Nuremberg tribunal had said that? > > The problem is acute today as Obama and the neocons work furiously to bend the Trump administration to their war policies. > > We should expose and oppose that - not minimize Obama’s crimes. —CGE > > > >> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Ricky Baldwin > wrote: >> >> Karen's version is much improved. I do not think overemphasizing the outgoing president's crimes (as AWARE did not do 8 years ago) is worth the space. Four years is a lot longer than 2 weeks. >> >> >> >> Ricky Baldwin >> "Speak your mind, even if your voice shakes." >> - Maggie Kuhn >> >> >> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 7:50 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> >> I like the change of “Obama” to “US” or US government in many places, that Karen Medina has suggested, one I have suggested many times as well, with no success. >> >> However I question “The Obama administration is also “partly” responsible for the “civil” war . The addition of “partly” is I believe misleading because it minimizes the US role, Implying others are more responsible though others likely wouldn’t be involved at all if not for US involvement. >> >> Also, though the main stream media refers to it as a “civil” war, that is open to debate. >> >> >> On Jan 7, 2017, at 04:49, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> Thats the crucial issue today, and it’s there in the draft. >>> >>> After a description (which your edit removes) of Obama’s behavior in office, it says, >>> >>> "And the supporters of those murderous policies, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:30 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>>> >>>> I like the part about obama furiosly trying to lock trump into the neocon wars. You should put that in the flyer. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" > >>>> Date: 1/6/17 22:28 (GMT-06:00) >>>> To: Karen Medina > >>>> Cc: Peace-discuss List > >>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017 >>>> >>>> Karen— >>>> >>>> I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama. >>>> >>>> Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy: the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order to do this. >>>> >>>> We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration into it. >>>> >>>> (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.) >>>> >>>> Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out included. >>>> >>>> Regards, Carl >>>> >>>> >>>> > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Dear Peace-Discuss, >>>> > >>>> > I was reading through Carl's flyer. >>>> > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two weeks left in his presidency. >>>> > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit. >>>> > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US in a few places. >>>> > >>>> > -karen medina >>>> > --- >>>> > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome. >>>> > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.] >>>> > --- >>>> > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST - >>>> > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017. >>>> > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP . >>>> > >>>> > The United States is continues making war around the world - although most Americans are not aware of what we are doing. >>>> > >>>> > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.” >>>> > >>>> > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command, active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping ("rendition"), murder, and torture. >>>> > >>>> > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for it: President Obama launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update nuclear weapons - and make them more usable! >>>> > >>>> > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with refugees. >>>> > >>>> > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of the 1%, the American economic elite. >>>> > >>>> > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said. >>>> > >>>> > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general, who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama administrations. >>>> > >>>> > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa - continues apace. >>>> > >>>> > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most Americans don’t know it. >>>> > >>>> > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration. >>>> > >>>> > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." >>>> > >>>> > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’ lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it for the benefit of America? >>>> > >>>> > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump >>>> > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; >>>> > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; >>>> > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); >>>> > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; & >>>> > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. >>>> > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress. >>>> > >>>> > ~~~ >>>> > {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort} >>>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 7 22:16:15 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 22:16:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Man Pads in Syria Message-ID: This article from the “Middle East Eye”, was provided by Paul Mueth Syria war: Rebel group supplied with anti-air missiles #SyriaWar Ansar al-Islam Front says it has 'good number' of man-portable missiles in south Syria, in first apparent relaxation - or breach - of US ban [http://www.middleeasteye.net/sites/default/files/styles/main_image_article_page/public/main-images/rebel%20missiles%20%28screengrab%29.png] A member of Ansar al-Islam Front hold an SA-7 anti-aircraft missile (screegrab) [MEE staff's picture] MEE staff Monday 21 November 2016 07:53 UTC Last update: Wednesday 23 November 2016 8:37 UTC 769 391googleplus0 1220 Topics: SyriaWar Tags: Syria, Daraa, russia, Bashar al-Assad, Manpads Show comments A Syrian rebel group has paraded a cache of shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles, the first evidence of the weapons being supplied to opposition forces after an expected relaxing of US restrictions. Members of the Ansar al-Islam Front were shown in a video posted on 20 November testing SA-7 Strela-2 missiles, although the weapons are not shown being fired. The group said they had a "good number" of the weapons, which were being deployed among Ansar and Free Syrian Army forces to counter government aircraft in Daraa and Quneitra, to the south of the country. The first fighter in the video can be heard saying: "We, in Ansar al-Islam Front, have distributed several points of air defence to counter any attempt by the Syrian warplanes or helicopters which bombs points in Quneitra province. We have good number of these missiles." A second fighter, named as "Abu Bilal" in the video, says: "We, in Ansar al-Islam Front and factions of the FSA, are distributing equipment and soldiers toward Tal al-Hara, Mashara, Sandaniya and Jabata. And in the coming days you will hear good news from Quneitra and its surroundings. "There are a lot of preparations for ambushes and units deployed on the front lines. There are units of air defence, infantry elements and other several sets of our factions and the factions of the FSA in Quneitra and its surroundings." The supply of the missiles breaches a standing order from the US to prohibit their distribution in Syria. The US has feared the weapons could fall into the hands of groups such as the Islamic State or the Nusra Front and be used against American forces, their allies and civilian aviation. However, a high-level rebel source told Middle East Eye in late September that the US was to clear the way for allied nations to begin supplying the weapons, as Russian and Syrian forces increased their attacks on rebel-held areas of the northern city of Aleppo. "The US confirmed the green light to begin sending them to rebels through supply routes still open through Jordan and Turkey," the source told MEE at the time. "Rebels are being told only to target Syrian helicopters, not Russian - but it's not clear they will abide by this." The source told Middle East Eye that the US had confirmed it would allow Qatar and Saudi Arabia to begin shipments. The Reuters news agency at the same time quoted anonymous US officials as saying the assault on Aleppo had "heightened" the possibility of the Obama administration lifting the ban. However, there is no evidence of the missiles reaching Aleppo, where supply routes have been cut by a siege by Syrian government forces. The Ansar al-Islam Front is reportedly among dozens of rebel groups that have in the past been supplied with US-made BGM-71 anti-tank missiles, with US approval and through Saudi channels. It was recently named by the Brookings Institute as one of 76 FSA units that had been "vetted" by the CIA and supplied through military operations command centres in Jordan and/or Turkey. The SA-7 was designed by the Soviets in the 1960s and was among the first generation of man-portable air defence weapons, known by the acronym "Manpads", although there have been several upgraded variants since. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Sun Jan 8 05:50:52 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 05:50:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My concern in respect to the upcoming Trump Administration/my comments at the bottom. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <309493BA-DF29-41B1-BCB1-12A6DA214EE3@illinois.edu> It is hard (for me) to evaluate the assertions made here. What are the author’s sources, and how reliable are they? He relies a lot on Trump tweets. He may be right various of his claims, but we should wait to see what transpires when he assumes office in just a couple of weeks. We’ll know soon enough. Otherwise, this article is overly speculative and hence unconvincing. —mkb On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Trump’s coming confrontation with China 7 January 2017 US President-elect Donald Trump is preparing to dramatically intensify Washington’s confrontation with Beijing across the board—diplomatically, economically and militarily—through reckless measures that risk trade war and war. His bellicose economic threats against China during the election campaign have been followed by a series of provocative tweets that have exacerbated tensions with Beijing over some of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints—Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula and the South China Sea. Trump’s belligerent anti-China stance is bound up with the intense conflict within the US state apparatus and political establishment over the future direction of foreign and military policy. After suffering debacles in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, the question raging in ruling circles is how to use America’s residual military might to ensure its global hegemony, and against which of its major rivals—Russia or China? One faction is exploiting unsubstantiated allegations that Russian hacking influenced the outcome of the presidential election in Trump’s favour to greatly inflate the threat posed by Moscow and undermine the president-elect. Trump, however, speaks for a layer of the corporate, political and military elites who regard China’s rise to the world’s second largest economy as a greater danger to US interests. As he prepared to meet with top US intelligence officials yesterday, Trump once again played down allegations of Russian hacking and instead shifted the focus to China. “China, relatively recently, hacked 20 million government names,” he told the New York Times, referring to the alleged breach of the US Office of Personnel Management computers two year ago. “How come nobody even talks about that? This is a political witchhunt.” Despite the intensity of the infighting, the divisions are tactical. Trump’s “America First” jingoism makes clear that his administration will tolerate no challenge to US power from any rivals, including Russia. Trump has already signaled his intention, on his first day in office, to end US involvement in the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)—the principal economic weapon of the Obama administration’s “pivot to Asia” aimed at subordinating China to US interests. The purpose of tearing up the TPP, however, is to make way for far more aggressive trade measures. Trump has threatened to brand China as a currency manipulator and to impose tariffs of up to 45 percent on Chinese goods. Trump has appointed a gang of anti-China hawks and economic nationalists to implement trade policy, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, Robert Lighthizer as US Trade Secretary and Peter Navarro to head a new National Trade Council in the White House. Current US Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker told the Financial Times yesterday that senior Chinese officials have told her that Beijing would retaliate against US tariffs. She warned there was “a fine line between being tough and a trade war.” Trump’s trade war threats are a desperate attempt to reverse America’s economic decline. Ideologues like Ross, Navarro and Lighthizer accuse China of trading unfairly and stealing US jobs. China’s share of global goods exports has increased three-fold since it joined the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in 2001, while the US share has declined by 30 percent. This dramatic shift, however, is driven by China’s emergence as the world’s largest manufacturing hub, above all for global transnationals, including many of America’s largest corporations. While accusing Beijing of breaking trade rules, Trump is prepared to initiate punitive action against China, whether it conforms with the WTO framework or not. The eruption of trade war between the US and China would reverberate throughout the global economy, drawing in other countries with a stake in China and impacting severely on world trade. No longer having the economic muscle to lay down the international trade rules, the US has already begun a dramatic military build-up in Asia to assert its dominance, even if that leads to war with China. Trump and his advisors have not criticised the objective of Obama’s “pivot” but rather its ineffectiveness. They advocate more aggressive methods. Trump has pledged to expand the US army by 90,000 personnel and the navy by 40 ships to 350. The naval expansion is above all aimed against China, with Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani boasting in November: “At 350, China can’t match us in the Pacific.” Trump has already made clear that North Korea will be at the top of the foreign policy agenda. Earlier this week, he responded to an announcement by North Korea that it was preparing to test an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching continental America by flatly declaring: “It won’t happen.” He followed it with a second tweet criticising China for its failure to “help with North Korea”—in other words, to economically bully Pyongyang to meet US demands to dismantle its nuclear arsenal. By threatening unspecified action against North Korea, Trump is also putting Pyongyang’s only ally, China, on notice. More fundamentally, Trump has threatened to tear up the entire basis for US-Chinese relations since 1979—the One China policy under which Washington recognised Beijing as the sole, legitimate ruler of all China, including Taiwan. He incensed the Chinese regime when he took a phone call from Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen last month—the first direct contact between US and Taiwanese leaders for nearly four decades. As he declared that he would not feel bound by the One China policy, Trump lashed out at Beijing not only over trade and North Korea, but also for “building a massive fortress in the middle of the South China Sea, which they shouldn’t be doing.” His remark signals that he will confront China more aggressively in the South China Sea, where the Obama administration has already risked naval clashes by sending US warships into territorial waters claimed by China on so-called freedom of navigation operations. If there were any doubt that he is preparing for war, Trump’s tweet prior to Christmas that the US must “greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear [weapons] capacity” is a chilling warning of his reckless and militarist intentions. The logic of the trade war that Trump and his advisors advocate is the inexorable slide toward war between nuclear-armed powers. The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the international working class, unified on the basis of a socialist perspective to put an end to the social order that gives rise to war—capitalism and its outmoded division of the world into rival nation states. Peter Symonds WSWS.ORG If I were to edit this article, I would take out the last sentence in the last paragraph and simply say: The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the “American people.” Not that I don’t support socialism but because I don’t think we can stop war by waiting for a the unification of an international socialist movement to stop the killing. Given what is occurring currently. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 8 10:42:46 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 04:42:46 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My concern in respect to the upcoming Trump Administration/my comments at the bottom. In-Reply-To: <309493BA-DF29-41B1-BCB1-12A6DA214EE3@illinois.edu> References: <309493BA-DF29-41B1-BCB1-12A6DA214EE3@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <4F0CE586-A218-468F-AEA2-14C3A33334DD@illinois.edu> It seems generally easier (and perhaps more comforting) for progressives to think about what the Trump administration may do rather then what the Obama administration is doing. One thing the latter are doing is trying to make sure that the former don’t depart too much from their ways. —CGE > On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > It is hard (for me) to evaluate the assertions made here. What are the author’s sources, and how reliable are they? He relies a lot on Trump tweets. He may be right various of his claims, but we should wait to see what transpires when he assumes office in just a couple of weeks. We’ll know soon enough. Otherwise, this article is overly speculative and hence unconvincing. > > —mkb > >> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Trump’s coming confrontation with China >> 7 January 2017 >> US President-elect Donald Trump is preparing to dramatically intensify Washington’s confrontation with Beijing across the board—diplomatically, economically and militarily—through reckless measures that risk trade war and war. His bellicose economic threats against China during the election campaign have been followed by a series of provocative tweets that have exacerbated tensions with Beijing over some of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints—Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula and the South China Sea. >> Trump’s belligerent anti-China stance is bound up with the intense conflict within the US state apparatus and political establishment over the future direction of foreign and military policy. After suffering debacles in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, the question raging in ruling circles is how to use America’s residual military might to ensure its global hegemony, and against which of its major rivals—Russia or China? >> One faction is exploiting unsubstantiated allegations that Russian hacking influenced the outcome of the presidential election in Trump’s favour to greatly inflate the threat posed by Moscow and undermine the president-elect. Trump, however, speaks for a layer of the corporate, political and military elites who regard China’s rise to the world’s second largest economy as a greater danger to US interests. >> As he prepared to meet with top US intelligence officials yesterday, Trump once again played down allegations of Russian hacking and instead shifted the focus to China. “China, relatively recently, hacked 20 million government names,” he told the New York Times, referring to the alleged breach of the US Office of Personnel Management computers two year ago. “How come nobody even talks about that? This is a political witchhunt.” >> Despite the intensity of the infighting, the divisions are tactical. Trump’s “America First” jingoism makes clear that his administration will tolerate no challenge to US power from any rivals, including Russia. >> Trump has already signaled his intention, on his first day in office, to end US involvement in the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)—the principal economic weapon of the Obama administration’s “pivot to Asia” aimed at subordinating China to US interests. The purpose of tearing up the TPP, however, is to make way for far more aggressive trade measures. Trump has threatened to brand China as a currency manipulator and to impose tariffs of up to 45 percent on Chinese goods. >> Trump has appointed a gang of anti-China hawks and economic nationalists to implement trade policy, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, Robert Lighthizer as US Trade Secretary and Peter Navarro to head a new National Trade Council in the White House. Current US Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker told the Financial Times yesterday that senior Chinese officials have told her that Beijing would retaliate against US tariffs. She warned there was “a fine line between being tough and a trade war.” >> Trump’s trade war threats are a desperate attempt to reverse America’s economic decline. Ideologues like Ross, Navarro and Lighthizer accuse China of trading unfairly and stealing US jobs. China’s share of global goods exports has increased three-fold since it joined the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in 2001, while the US share has declined by 30 percent. This dramatic shift, however, is driven by China’s emergence as the world’s largest manufacturing hub, above all for global transnationals, including many of America’s largest corporations. >> While accusing Beijing of breaking trade rules, Trump is prepared to initiate punitive action against China, whether it conforms with the WTO framework or not. The eruption of trade war between the US and China would reverberate throughout the global economy, drawing in other countries with a stake in China and impacting severely on world trade. No longer having the economic muscle to lay down the international trade rules, the US has already begun a dramatic military build-up in Asia to assert its dominance, even if that leads to war with China. >> Trump and his advisors have not criticised the objective of Obama’s “pivot” but rather its ineffectiveness. They advocate more aggressive methods. Trump has pledged to expand the US army by 90,000 personnel and the navy by 40 ships to 350. The naval expansion is above all aimed against China, with Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani boasting in November: “At 350, China can’t match us in the Pacific.” >> Trump has already made clear that North Korea will be at the top of the foreign policy agenda. Earlier this week, he responded to an announcement by North Korea that it was preparing to test an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching continental America by flatly declaring: “It won’t happen.” He followed it with a second tweet criticising China for its failure to “help with North Korea”—in other words, to economically bully Pyongyang to meet US demands to dismantle its nuclear arsenal. By threatening unspecified action against North Korea, Trump is also putting Pyongyang’s only ally, China, on notice. >> More fundamentally, Trump has threatened to tear up the entire basis for US-Chinese relations since 1979—the One China policy under which Washington recognised Beijing as the sole, legitimate ruler of all China, including Taiwan. He incensed the Chinese regime when he took a phone call from Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen last month—the first direct contact between US and Taiwanese leaders for nearly four decades. >> As he declared that he would not feel bound by the One China policy, Trump lashed out at Beijing not only over trade and North Korea, but also for “building a massive fortress in the middle of the South China Sea, which they shouldn’t be doing.” His remark signals that he will confront China more aggressively in the South China Sea, where the Obama administration has already risked naval clashes by sending US warships into territorial waters claimed by China on so-called freedom of navigation operations. >> If there were any doubt that he is preparing for war, Trump’s tweet prior to Christmas that the US must “greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear [weapons] capacity” is a chilling warning of his reckless and militarist intentions. The logic of the trade war that Trump and his advisors advocate is the inexorable slide toward war between nuclear-armed powers. The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the international working class, unified on the basis of a socialist perspective to put an end to the social order that gives rise to war—capitalism and its outmoded division of the world into rival nation states. >> Peter Symonds >> WSWS.ORG >> If I were to edit this article, I would take out the last sentence in the last paragraph and simply say: The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the “American people.” Not that I don’t support socialism but because I don’t think we can stop war by waiting for a the unification of an international socialist movement to stop the killing. Given what is occurring currently. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 13:49:42 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 13:49:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My concern in respect to the upcoming Trump Administration/my comments at the bottom. In-Reply-To: <4F0CE586-A218-468F-AEA2-14C3A33334DD@illinois.edu> References: <309493BA-DF29-41B1-BCB1-12A6DA214EE3@illinois.edu> <4F0CE586-A218-468F-AEA2-14C3A33334DD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I think we need to be concerned “equally” with both administrations, giving one a pass over the other is very dangerous, specifically when it comes to foreign policy. Foreign Policy has been a continuation whether Clinton, Bush, Obama, or Trump. Just replacing one priority over another in a tactical maneuver. Because the Trump Administration may not wish war with Russia, we should not ignore the provocations with China that he has already committed. We should not ignore the information available which has been cited in other articles in relation to Trumps Advisors and their goals of not tackling two major nations at one time. We should not ignore the fact that Trump has placed in power many war hawks and China haters. Neither I nor the author are giving a pass to the Obama Administration for setting the stage in the S. China Sea, for expanding the Bush wars from two to eight, the drone wars, and Nato on the border of Russia, regime change in the Ukraine, the destruction of Libya, and the war in Syria, but denial of what Trump has done already in respect to the “one China policy” shouldn’t be ignored either, nor the appointments of China haters to head up organizations that will impact and create further deterioration of relations with China. Yes, Zbigniew maybe gone, are his appointee’s still in power or will they be gone as well? If we are to rejoice that Trump wants rapprochement with Russia, that he wants less interventions and war, according to what he has said, should we just breathe a sigh of relief and ignore the pending disasters that await us in the S.China Sea? Sounds like Democrats when Obama was elected. On Jan 8, 2017, at 02:42, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: It seems generally easier (and perhaps more comforting) for progressives to think about what the Trump administration may do rather then what the Obama administration is doing. One thing the latter are doing is trying to make sure that the former don’t depart too much from their ways. —CGE On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: It is hard (for me) to evaluate the assertions made here. What are the author’s sources, and how reliable are they? He relies a lot on Trump tweets. He may be right various of his claims, but we should wait to see what transpires when he assumes office in just a couple of weeks. We’ll know soon enough. Otherwise, this article is overly speculative and hence unconvincing. —mkb On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Trump’s coming confrontation with China 7 January 2017 US President-elect Donald Trump is preparing to dramatically intensify Washington’s confrontation with Beijing across the board—diplomatically, economically and militarily—through reckless measures that risk trade war and war. His bellicose economic threats against China during the election campaign have been followed by a series of provocative tweets that have exacerbated tensions with Beijing over some of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints—Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula and the South China Sea. Trump’s belligerent anti-China stance is bound up with the intense conflict within the US state apparatus and political establishment over the future direction of foreign and military policy. After suffering debacles in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, the question raging in ruling circles is how to use America’s residual military might to ensure its global hegemony, and against which of its major rivals—Russia or China? One faction is exploiting unsubstantiated allegations that Russian hacking influenced the outcome of the presidential election in Trump’s favour to greatly inflate the threat posed by Moscow and undermine the president-elect. Trump, however, speaks for a layer of the corporate, political and military elites who regard China’s rise to the world’s second largest economy as a greater danger to US interests. As he prepared to meet with top US intelligence officials yesterday, Trump once again played down allegations of Russian hacking and instead shifted the focus to China. “China, relatively recently, hacked 20 million government names,” he told the New York Times, referring to the alleged breach of the US Office of Personnel Management computers two year ago. “How come nobody even talks about that? This is a political witchhunt.” Despite the intensity of the infighting, the divisions are tactical. Trump’s “America First” jingoism makes clear that his administration will tolerate no challenge to US power from any rivals, including Russia. Trump has already signaled his intention, on his first day in office, to end US involvement in the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)—the principal economic weapon of the Obama administration’s “pivot to Asia” aimed at subordinating China to US interests. The purpose of tearing up the TPP, however, is to make way for far more aggressive trade measures. Trump has threatened to brand China as a currency manipulator and to impose tariffs of up to 45 percent on Chinese goods. Trump has appointed a gang of anti-China hawks and economic nationalists to implement trade policy, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, Robert Lighthizer as US Trade Secretary and Peter Navarro to head a new National Trade Council in the White House. Current US Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker told the Financial Times yesterday that senior Chinese officials have told her that Beijing would retaliate against US tariffs. She warned there was “a fine line between being tough and a trade war.” Trump’s trade war threats are a desperate attempt to reverse America’s economic decline. Ideologues like Ross, Navarro and Lighthizer accuse China of trading unfairly and stealing US jobs. China’s share of global goods exports has increased three-fold since it joined the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in 2001, while the US share has declined by 30 percent. This dramatic shift, however, is driven by China’s emergence as the world’s largest manufacturing hub, above all for global transnationals, including many of America’s largest corporations. While accusing Beijing of breaking trade rules, Trump is prepared to initiate punitive action against China, whether it conforms with the WTO framework or not. The eruption of trade war between the US and China would reverberate throughout the global economy, drawing in other countries with a stake in China and impacting severely on world trade. No longer having the economic muscle to lay down the international trade rules, the US has already begun a dramatic military build-up in Asia to assert its dominance, even if that leads to war with China. Trump and his advisors have not criticised the objective of Obama’s “pivot” but rather its ineffectiveness. They advocate more aggressive methods. Trump has pledged to expand the US army by 90,000 personnel and the navy by 40 ships to 350. The naval expansion is above all aimed against China, with Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani boasting in November: “At 350, China can’t match us in the Pacific.” Trump has already made clear that North Korea will be at the top of the foreign policy agenda. Earlier this week, he responded to an announcement by North Korea that it was preparing to test an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching continental America by flatly declaring: “It won’t happen.” He followed it with a second tweet criticising China for its failure to “help with North Korea”—in other words, to economically bully Pyongyang to meet US demands to dismantle its nuclear arsenal. By threatening unspecified action against North Korea, Trump is also putting Pyongyang’s only ally, China, on notice. More fundamentally, Trump has threatened to tear up the entire basis for US-Chinese relations since 1979—the One China policy under which Washington recognised Beijing as the sole, legitimate ruler of all China, including Taiwan. He incensed the Chinese regime when he took a phone call from Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen last month—the first direct contact between US and Taiwanese leaders for nearly four decades. As he declared that he would not feel bound by the One China policy, Trump lashed out at Beijing not only over trade and North Korea, but also for “building a massive fortress in the middle of the South China Sea, which they shouldn’t be doing.” His remark signals that he will confront China more aggressively in the South China Sea, where the Obama administration has already risked naval clashes by sending US warships into territorial waters claimed by China on so-called freedom of navigation operations. If there were any doubt that he is preparing for war, Trump’s tweet prior to Christmas that the US must “greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear [weapons] capacity” is a chilling warning of his reckless and militarist intentions. The logic of the trade war that Trump and his advisors advocate is the inexorable slide toward war between nuclear-armed powers. The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the international working class, unified on the basis of a socialist perspective to put an end to the social order that gives rise to war—capitalism and its outmoded division of the world into rival nation states. Peter Symonds WSWS.ORG If I were to edit this article, I would take out the last sentence in the last paragraph and simply say: The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the “American people.” Not that I don’t support socialism but because I don’t think we can stop war by waiting for a the unification of an international socialist movement to stop the killing. Given what is occurring currently. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 8 14:00:54 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 08:00:54 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My concern in respect to the upcoming Trump Administration/my comments at the bottom. In-Reply-To: References: <309493BA-DF29-41B1-BCB1-12A6DA214EE3@illinois.edu> <4F0CE586-A218-468F-AEA2-14C3A33334DD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <0D93E43F-8BD3-44B6-A796-4F2AD6C21785@illinois.edu> It does help good progressives turn their eyes away from the fact that Obama is today sending death squads into 70% of the countries of the world. https://www.thenation.com/article/american-special-forces-are-deployed-to-70-percent-of-the-worlds-countries/ —CGE > On Jan 8, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > I think we need to be concerned “equally” with both administrations, giving one a pass over the other is very dangerous, specifically when it comes to foreign policy. Foreign Policy has been a continuation whether Clinton, Bush, Obama, or Trump. Just replacing one priority over another in a tactical maneuver. > > Because the Trump Administration may not wish war with Russia, we should not ignore the provocations with China that he has already committed. We should not ignore the information available which has been cited in other articles in relation to Trumps Advisors and their goals of not tackling two major nations at one time. We should not ignore the fact that Trump has placed in power many war hawks and China haters. > > Neither I nor the author are giving a pass to the Obama Administration for setting the stage in the S. China Sea, for expanding the Bush wars from two to eight, the drone wars, and Nato on the border of Russia, regime change in the Ukraine, the destruction of Libya, and the war in Syria, but denial of what Trump has done already in respect to the “one China policy” shouldn’t be ignored either, nor the appointments of China haters to head up organizations that will impact and create further deterioration of relations with China. > > Yes, Zbigniew maybe gone, are his appointee’s still in power or will they be gone as well? > > If we are to rejoice that Trump wants rapprochement with Russia, that he wants less interventions and war, according to what he has said, should we just breathe a sigh of relief and ignore the pending disasters that await us in the S.China Sea? > > Sounds like Democrats when Obama was elected. > > > > >> On Jan 8, 2017, at 02:42, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> It seems generally easier (and perhaps more comforting) for progressives to think about what the Trump administration may do rather then what the Obama administration is doing. >> >> One thing the latter are doing is trying to make sure that the former don’t depart too much from their ways. >> >> —CGE >> >>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> >>> It is hard (for me) to evaluate the assertions made here. What are the author’s sources, and how reliable are they? He relies a lot on Trump tweets. He may be right various of his claims, but we should wait to see what transpires when he assumes office in just a couple of weeks. We’ll know soon enough. Otherwise, this article is overly speculative and hence unconvincing. >>> >>> —mkb >>> >>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>>> >>>> Trump’s coming confrontation with China >>>> 7 January 2017 >>>> US President-elect Donald Trump is preparing to dramatically intensify Washington’s confrontation with Beijing across the board—diplomatically, economically and militarily—through reckless measures that risk trade war and war. His bellicose economic threats against China during the election campaign have been followed by a series of provocative tweets that have exacerbated tensions with Beijing over some of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints—Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula and the South China Sea. >>>> Trump’s belligerent anti-China stance is bound up with the intense conflict within the US state apparatus and political establishment over the future direction of foreign and military policy. After suffering debacles in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, the question raging in ruling circles is how to use America’s residual military might to ensure its global hegemony, and against which of its major rivals—Russia or China? >>>> One faction is exploiting unsubstantiated allegations that Russian hacking influenced the outcome of the presidential election in Trump’s favour to greatly inflate the threat posed by Moscow and undermine the president-elect. Trump, however, speaks for a layer of the corporate, political and military elites who regard China’s rise to the world’s second largest economy as a greater danger to US interests. >>>> As he prepared to meet with top US intelligence officials yesterday, Trump once again played down allegations of Russian hacking and instead shifted the focus to China. “China, relatively recently, hacked 20 million government names,” he told the New York Times, referring to the alleged breach of the US Office of Personnel Management computers two year ago. “How come nobody even talks about that? This is a political witchhunt.” >>>> Despite the intensity of the infighting, the divisions are tactical. Trump’s “America First” jingoism makes clear that his administration will tolerate no challenge to US power from any rivals, including Russia. >>>> Trump has already signaled his intention, on his first day in office, to end US involvement in the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)—the principal economic weapon of the Obama administration’s “pivot to Asia” aimed at subordinating China to US interests. The purpose of tearing up the TPP, however, is to make way for far more aggressive trade measures. Trump has threatened to brand China as a currency manipulator and to impose tariffs of up to 45 percent on Chinese goods. >>>> Trump has appointed a gang of anti-China hawks and economic nationalists to implement trade policy, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, Robert Lighthizer as US Trade Secretary and Peter Navarro to head a new National Trade Council in the White House. Current US Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker told the Financial Times yesterday that senior Chinese officials have told her that Beijing would retaliate against US tariffs. She warned there was “a fine line between being tough and a trade war.” >>>> Trump’s trade war threats are a desperate attempt to reverse America’s economic decline. Ideologues like Ross, Navarro and Lighthizer accuse China of trading unfairly and stealing US jobs. China’s share of global goods exports has increased three-fold since it joined the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in 2001, while the US share has declined by 30 percent. This dramatic shift, however, is driven by China’s emergence as the world’s largest manufacturing hub, above all for global transnationals, including many of America’s largest corporations. >>>> While accusing Beijing of breaking trade rules, Trump is prepared to initiate punitive action against China, whether it conforms with the WTO framework or not. The eruption of trade war between the US and China would reverberate throughout the global economy, drawing in other countries with a stake in China and impacting severely on world trade. No longer having the economic muscle to lay down the international trade rules, the US has already begun a dramatic military build-up in Asia to assert its dominance, even if that leads to war with China. >>>> Trump and his advisors have not criticised the objective of Obama’s “pivot” but rather its ineffectiveness. They advocate more aggressive methods. Trump has pledged to expand the US army by 90,000 personnel and the navy by 40 ships to 350. The naval expansion is above all aimed against China, with Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani boasting in November: “At 350, China can’t match us in the Pacific.” >>>> Trump has already made clear that North Korea will be at the top of the foreign policy agenda. Earlier this week, he responded to an announcement by North Korea that it was preparing to test an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching continental America by flatly declaring: “It won’t happen.” He followed it with a second tweet criticising China for its failure to “help with North Korea”—in other words, to economically bully Pyongyang to meet US demands to dismantle its nuclear arsenal. By threatening unspecified action against North Korea, Trump is also putting Pyongyang’s only ally, China, on notice. >>>> More fundamentally, Trump has threatened to tear up the entire basis for US-Chinese relations since 1979—the One China policy under which Washington recognised Beijing as the sole, legitimate ruler of all China, including Taiwan. He incensed the Chinese regime when he took a phone call from Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen last month—the first direct contact between US and Taiwanese leaders for nearly four decades. >>>> As he declared that he would not feel bound by the One China policy, Trump lashed out at Beijing not only over trade and North Korea, but also for “building a massive fortress in the middle of the South China Sea, which they shouldn’t be doing.” His remark signals that he will confront China more aggressively in the South China Sea, where the Obama administration has already risked naval clashes by sending US warships into territorial waters claimed by China on so-called freedom of navigation operations. >>>> If there were any doubt that he is preparing for war, Trump’s tweet prior to Christmas that the US must “greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear [weapons] capacity” is a chilling warning of his reckless and militarist intentions. The logic of the trade war that Trump and his advisors advocate is the inexorable slide toward war between nuclear-armed powers. The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the international working class, unified on the basis of a socialist perspective to put an end to the social order that gives rise to war—capitalism and its outmoded division of the world into rival nation states. >>>> Peter Symonds >>>> WSWS.ORG >>>> If I were to edit this article, I would take out the last sentence in the last paragraph and simply say: The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the “American people.” Not that I don’t support socialism but because I don’t think we can stop war by waiting for a the unification of an international socialist movement to stop the killing. Given what is occurring currently. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 8 14:32:29 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:32:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My concern in respect to the upcoming Trump Administration/my comments at the bottom. In-Reply-To: <0D93E43F-8BD3-44B6-A796-4F2AD6C21785@illinois.edu> References: <309493BA-DF29-41B1-BCB1-12A6DA214EE3@illinois.edu> <4F0CE586-A218-468F-AEA2-14C3A33334DD@illinois.edu> <0D93E43F-8BD3-44B6-A796-4F2AD6C21785@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I know, I posted the below info from Nick Turse around the world yesterday, and the day before, not from the Nation, but from other sources. Again, anyone who buys in to the two party system, as one being preferable to the other is ignoring reality. US Foreign Policy continues unabated, with mere tweaks in “tactics”. Domestic Policy is intertwined and dependent upon Foreign Policy. Continuing impoverishment of the American people is a result of our militarization, and the killings of African Americans in the streets by police with impunity, is the result of our militarization, the loss of social services for the poor and working classes is a result of our militarization. It’s all related to the pursuit of profits, and Capital. On Jan 8, 2017, at 06:00, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: It does help good progressives turn their eyes away from the fact that Obama is today sending death squads into 70% of the countries of the world. https://www.thenation.com/article/american-special-forces-are-deployed-to-70-percent-of-the-worlds-countries/ —CGE On Jan 8, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: I think we need to be concerned “equally” with both administrations, giving one a pass over the other is very dangerous, specifically when it comes to foreign policy. Foreign Policy has been a continuation whether Clinton, Bush, Obama, or Trump. Just replacing one priority over another in a tactical maneuver. Because the Trump Administration may not wish war with Russia, we should not ignore the provocations with China that he has already committed. We should not ignore the information available which has been cited in other articles in relation to Trumps Advisors and their goals of not tackling two major nations at one time. We should not ignore the fact that Trump has placed in power many war hawks and China haters. Neither I nor the author are giving a pass to the Obama Administration for setting the stage in the S. China Sea, for expanding the Bush wars from two to eight, the drone wars, and Nato on the border of Russia, regime change in the Ukraine, the destruction of Libya, and the war in Syria, but denial of what Trump has done already in respect to the “one China policy” shouldn’t be ignored either, nor the appointments of China haters to head up organizations that will impact and create further deterioration of relations with China. Yes, Zbigniew maybe gone, are his appointee’s still in power or will they be gone as well? If we are to rejoice that Trump wants rapprochement with Russia, that he wants less interventions and war, according to what he has said, should we just breathe a sigh of relief and ignore the pending disasters that await us in the S.China Sea? Sounds like Democrats when Obama was elected. On Jan 8, 2017, at 02:42, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: It seems generally easier (and perhaps more comforting) for progressives to think about what the Trump administration may do rather then what the Obama administration is doing. One thing the latter are doing is trying to make sure that the former don’t depart too much from their ways. —CGE On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: It is hard (for me) to evaluate the assertions made here. What are the author’s sources, and how reliable are they? He relies a lot on Trump tweets. He may be right various of his claims, but we should wait to see what transpires when he assumes office in just a couple of weeks. We’ll know soon enough. Otherwise, this article is overly speculative and hence unconvincing. —mkb On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Trump’s coming confrontation with China 7 January 2017 US President-elect Donald Trump is preparing to dramatically intensify Washington’s confrontation with Beijing across the board—diplomatically, economically and militarily—through reckless measures that risk trade war and war. His bellicose economic threats against China during the election campaign have been followed by a series of provocative tweets that have exacerbated tensions with Beijing over some of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints—Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula and the South China Sea. Trump’s belligerent anti-China stance is bound up with the intense conflict within the US state apparatus and political establishment over the future direction of foreign and military policy. After suffering debacles in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, the question raging in ruling circles is how to use America’s residual military might to ensure its global hegemony, and against which of its major rivals—Russia or China? One faction is exploiting unsubstantiated allegations that Russian hacking influenced the outcome of the presidential election in Trump’s favour to greatly inflate the threat posed by Moscow and undermine the president-elect. Trump, however, speaks for a layer of the corporate, political and military elites who regard China’s rise to the world’s second largest economy as a greater danger to US interests. As he prepared to meet with top US intelligence officials yesterday, Trump once again played down allegations of Russian hacking and instead shifted the focus to China. “China, relatively recently, hacked 20 million government names,” he told the New York Times, referring to the alleged breach of the US Office of Personnel Management computers two year ago. “How come nobody even talks about that? This is a political witchhunt.” Despite the intensity of the infighting, the divisions are tactical. Trump’s “America First” jingoism makes clear that his administration will tolerate no challenge to US power from any rivals, including Russia. Trump has already signaled his intention, on his first day in office, to end US involvement in the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)—the principal economic weapon of the Obama administration’s “pivot to Asia” aimed at subordinating China to US interests. The purpose of tearing up the TPP, however, is to make way for far more aggressive trade measures. Trump has threatened to brand China as a currency manipulator and to impose tariffs of up to 45 percent on Chinese goods. Trump has appointed a gang of anti-China hawks and economic nationalists to implement trade policy, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, Robert Lighthizer as US Trade Secretary and Peter Navarro to head a new National Trade Council in the White House. Current US Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker told the Financial Times yesterday that senior Chinese officials have told her that Beijing would retaliate against US tariffs. She warned there was “a fine line between being tough and a trade war.” Trump’s trade war threats are a desperate attempt to reverse America’s economic decline. Ideologues like Ross, Navarro and Lighthizer accuse China of trading unfairly and stealing US jobs. China’s share of global goods exports has increased three-fold since it joined the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in 2001, while the US share has declined by 30 percent. This dramatic shift, however, is driven by China’s emergence as the world’s largest manufacturing hub, above all for global transnationals, including many of America’s largest corporations. While accusing Beijing of breaking trade rules, Trump is prepared to initiate punitive action against China, whether it conforms with the WTO framework or not. The eruption of trade war between the US and China would reverberate throughout the global economy, drawing in other countries with a stake in China and impacting severely on world trade. No longer having the economic muscle to lay down the international trade rules, the US has already begun a dramatic military build-up in Asia to assert its dominance, even if that leads to war with China. Trump and his advisors have not criticised the objective of Obama’s “pivot” but rather its ineffectiveness. They advocate more aggressive methods. Trump has pledged to expand the US army by 90,000 personnel and the navy by 40 ships to 350. The naval expansion is above all aimed against China, with Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani boasting in November: “At 350, China can’t match us in the Pacific.” Trump has already made clear that North Korea will be at the top of the foreign policy agenda. Earlier this week, he responded to an announcement by North Korea that it was preparing to test an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching continental America by flatly declaring: “It won’t happen.” He followed it with a second tweet criticising China for its failure to “help with North Korea”—in other words, to economically bully Pyongyang to meet US demands to dismantle its nuclear arsenal. By threatening unspecified action against North Korea, Trump is also putting Pyongyang’s only ally, China, on notice. More fundamentally, Trump has threatened to tear up the entire basis for US-Chinese relations since 1979—the One China policy under which Washington recognised Beijing as the sole, legitimate ruler of all China, including Taiwan. He incensed the Chinese regime when he took a phone call from Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen last month—the first direct contact between US and Taiwanese leaders for nearly four decades. As he declared that he would not feel bound by the One China policy, Trump lashed out at Beijing not only over trade and North Korea, but also for “building a massive fortress in the middle of the South China Sea, which they shouldn’t be doing.” His remark signals that he will confront China more aggressively in the South China Sea, where the Obama administration has already risked naval clashes by sending US warships into territorial waters claimed by China on so-called freedom of navigation operations. If there were any doubt that he is preparing for war, Trump’s tweet prior to Christmas that the US must “greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear [weapons] capacity” is a chilling warning of his reckless and militarist intentions. The logic of the trade war that Trump and his advisors advocate is the inexorable slide toward war between nuclear-armed powers. The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the international working class, unified on the basis of a socialist perspective to put an end to the social order that gives rise to war—capitalism and its outmoded division of the world into rival nation states. Peter Symonds WSWS.ORG If I were to edit this article, I would take out the last sentence in the last paragraph and simply say: The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the “American people.” Not that I don’t support socialism but because I don’t think we can stop war by waiting for a the unification of an international socialist movement to stop the killing. Given what is occurring currently. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Sun Jan 8 18:14:54 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 18:14:54 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My concern in respect to the upcoming Trump Administration/my comments at the bottom. In-Reply-To: References: <309493BA-DF29-41B1-BCB1-12A6DA214EE3@illinois.edu> <4F0CE586-A218-468F-AEA2-14C3A33334DD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <72C75AA7-4BEE-4AAB-AA3D-6D814E9A21D8@illinois.edu> Thanks Karen for your thoughts on this—informative. But the French have an expression which seems relevant—"fuite en avant" [This expression can roughly be translated as "flight forward", or "headlong rush", "panic-induced compulsion to further exacerbate a crisis or calamity" or even "unconscious mechanism that causes a person to throw himself/herself into a dreaded danger”.] On Jan 8, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: I think we need to be concerned “equally” with both administrations, giving one a pass over the other is very dangerous, specifically when it comes to foreign policy. Foreign Policy has been a continuation whether Clinton, Bush, Obama, or Trump. Just replacing one priority over another in a tactical maneuver. Because the Trump Administration may not wish war with Russia, we should not ignore the provocations with China that he has already committed. We should not ignore the information available which has been cited in other articles in relation to Trumps Advisors and their goals of not tackling two major nations at one time. We should not ignore the fact that Trump has placed in power many war hawks and China haters. Neither I nor the author are giving a pass to the Obama Administration for setting the stage in the S. China Sea, for expanding the Bush wars from two to eight, the drone wars, and Nato on the border of Russia, regime change in the Ukraine, the destruction of Libya, and the war in Syria, but denial of what Trump has done already in respect to the “one China policy” shouldn’t be ignored either, nor the appointments of China haters to head up organizations that will impact and create further deterioration of relations with China. Yes, Zbigniew maybe gone, are his appointee’s still in power or will they be gone as well? If we are to rejoice that Trump wants rapprochement with Russia, that he wants less interventions and war, according to what he has said, should we just breathe a sigh of relief and ignore the pending disasters that await us in the S.China Sea? Sounds like Democrats when Obama was elected. On Jan 8, 2017, at 02:42, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: It seems generally easier (and perhaps more comforting) for progressives to think about what the Trump administration may do rather then what the Obama administration is doing. One thing the latter are doing is trying to make sure that the former don’t depart too much from their ways. —CGE On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: It is hard (for me) to evaluate the assertions made here. What are the author’s sources, and how reliable are they? He relies a lot on Trump tweets. He may be right various of his claims, but we should wait to see what transpires when he assumes office in just a couple of weeks. We’ll know soon enough. Otherwise, this article is overly speculative and hence unconvincing. —mkb On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Trump’s coming confrontation with China 7 January 2017 US President-elect Donald Trump is preparing to dramatically intensify Washington’s confrontation with Beijing across the board—diplomatically, economically and militarily—through reckless measures that risk trade war and war. His bellicose economic threats against China during the election campaign have been followed by a series of provocative tweets that have exacerbated tensions with Beijing over some of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints—Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula and the South China Sea. Trump’s belligerent anti-China stance is bound up with the intense conflict within the US state apparatus and political establishment over the future direction of foreign and military policy. After suffering debacles in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, the question raging in ruling circles is how to use America’s residual military might to ensure its global hegemony, and against which of its major rivals—Russia or China? One faction is exploiting unsubstantiated allegations that Russian hacking influenced the outcome of the presidential election in Trump’s favour to greatly inflate the threat posed by Moscow and undermine the president-elect. Trump, however, speaks for a layer of the corporate, political and military elites who regard China’s rise to the world’s second largest economy as a greater danger to US interests. As he prepared to meet with top US intelligence officials yesterday, Trump once again played down allegations of Russian hacking and instead shifted the focus to China. “China, relatively recently, hacked 20 million government names,” he told the New York Times, referring to the alleged breach of the US Office of Personnel Management computers two year ago. “How come nobody even talks about that? This is a political witchhunt.” Despite the intensity of the infighting, the divisions are tactical. Trump’s “America First” jingoism makes clear that his administration will tolerate no challenge to US power from any rivals, including Russia. Trump has already signaled his intention, on his first day in office, to end US involvement in the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)—the principal economic weapon of the Obama administration’s “pivot to Asia” aimed at subordinating China to US interests. The purpose of tearing up the TPP, however, is to make way for far more aggressive trade measures. Trump has threatened to brand China as a currency manipulator and to impose tariffs of up to 45 percent on Chinese goods. Trump has appointed a gang of anti-China hawks and economic nationalists to implement trade policy, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, Robert Lighthizer as US Trade Secretary and Peter Navarro to head a new National Trade Council in the White House. Current US Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker told the Financial Times yesterday that senior Chinese officials have told her that Beijing would retaliate against US tariffs. She warned there was “a fine line between being tough and a trade war.” Trump’s trade war threats are a desperate attempt to reverse America’s economic decline. Ideologues like Ross, Navarro and Lighthizer accuse China of trading unfairly and stealing US jobs. China’s share of global goods exports has increased three-fold since it joined the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in 2001, while the US share has declined by 30 percent. This dramatic shift, however, is driven by China’s emergence as the world’s largest manufacturing hub, above all for global transnationals, including many of America’s largest corporations. While accusing Beijing of breaking trade rules, Trump is prepared to initiate punitive action against China, whether it conforms with the WTO framework or not. The eruption of trade war between the US and China would reverberate throughout the global economy, drawing in other countries with a stake in China and impacting severely on world trade. No longer having the economic muscle to lay down the international trade rules, the US has already begun a dramatic military build-up in Asia to assert its dominance, even if that leads to war with China. Trump and his advisors have not criticised the objective of Obama’s “pivot” but rather its ineffectiveness. They advocate more aggressive methods. Trump has pledged to expand the US army by 90,000 personnel and the navy by 40 ships to 350. The naval expansion is above all aimed against China, with Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani boasting in November: “At 350, China can’t match us in the Pacific.” Trump has already made clear that North Korea will be at the top of the foreign policy agenda. Earlier this week, he responded to an announcement by North Korea that it was preparing to test an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching continental America by flatly declaring: “It won’t happen.” He followed it with a second tweet criticising China for its failure to “help with North Korea”—in other words, to economically bully Pyongyang to meet US demands to dismantle its nuclear arsenal. By threatening unspecified action against North Korea, Trump is also putting Pyongyang’s only ally, China, on notice. More fundamentally, Trump has threatened to tear up the entire basis for US-Chinese relations since 1979—the One China policy under which Washington recognised Beijing as the sole, legitimate ruler of all China, including Taiwan. He incensed the Chinese regime when he took a phone call from Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen last month—the first direct contact between US and Taiwanese leaders for nearly four decades. As he declared that he would not feel bound by the One China policy, Trump lashed out at Beijing not only over trade and North Korea, but also for “building a massive fortress in the middle of the South China Sea, which they shouldn’t be doing.” His remark signals that he will confront China more aggressively in the South China Sea, where the Obama administration has already risked naval clashes by sending US warships into territorial waters claimed by China on so-called freedom of navigation operations. If there were any doubt that he is preparing for war, Trump’s tweet prior to Christmas that the US must “greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear [weapons] capacity” is a chilling warning of his reckless and militarist intentions. The logic of the trade war that Trump and his advisors advocate is the inexorable slide toward war between nuclear-armed powers. The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the international working class, unified on the basis of a socialist perspective to put an end to the social order that gives rise to war—capitalism and its outmoded division of the world into rival nation states. Peter Symonds WSWS.ORG If I were to edit this article, I would take out the last sentence in the last paragraph and simply say: The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the “American people.” Not that I don’t support socialism but because I don’t think we can stop war by waiting for a the unification of an international socialist movement to stop the killing. Given what is occurring currently. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 8 18:24:20 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 12:24:20 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] My concern in respect to the upcoming Trump Administration/my comments at the bottom. In-Reply-To: <72C75AA7-4BEE-4AAB-AA3D-6D814E9A21D8@illinois.edu> References: <309493BA-DF29-41B1-BCB1-12A6DA214EE3@illinois.edu> <4F0CE586-A218-468F-AEA2-14C3A33334DD@illinois.edu> <72C75AA7-4BEE-4AAB-AA3D-6D814E9A21D8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <6CCA1697-7A13-4D24-9785-996A34F32464@illinois.edu> That’s a wonderful phrase for today's mad opposition to Trump - encouraged by the political establishment, sure they’d have Clinton to continue the Bush-Obama military and economic policies - and now, horrified that that might not happen... > On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > Thanks Karen for your thoughts on this—informative. But the French have an expression which seems relevant—"fuite en avant" [This expression can roughly be translated as "flight forward", or "headlong rush", "panic-induced compulsion to further exacerbate a crisis or calamity" or even "unconscious mechanism that causes a person to throw himself/herself into a dreaded danger”.] > >> On Jan 8, 2017, at 7:49 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> I think we need to be concerned “equally” with both administrations, giving one a pass over the other is very dangerous, specifically when it comes to foreign policy. Foreign Policy has been a continuation whether Clinton, Bush, Obama, or Trump. Just replacing one priority over another in a tactical maneuver. >> >> Because the Trump Administration may not wish war with Russia, we should not ignore the provocations with China that he has already committed. We should not ignore the information available which has been cited in other articles in relation to Trumps Advisors and their goals of not tackling two major nations at one time. We should not ignore the fact that Trump has placed in power many war hawks and China haters. >> >> Neither I nor the author are giving a pass to the Obama Administration for setting the stage in the S. China Sea, for expanding the Bush wars from two to eight, the drone wars, and Nato on the border of Russia, regime change in the Ukraine, the destruction of Libya, and the war in Syria, but denial of what Trump has done already in respect to the “one China policy” shouldn’t be ignored either, nor the appointments of China haters to head up organizations that will impact and create further deterioration of relations with China. >> >> Yes, Zbigniew maybe gone, are his appointee’s still in power or will they be gone as well? >> >> If we are to rejoice that Trump wants rapprochement with Russia, that he wants less interventions and war, according to what he has said, should we just breathe a sigh of relief and ignore the pending disasters that await us in the S.China Sea? >> >> Sounds like Democrats when Obama was elected. >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 8, 2017, at 02:42, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >>> >>> It seems generally easier (and perhaps more comforting) for progressives to think about what the Trump administration may do rather then what the Obama administration is doing. >>> >>> One thing the latter are doing is trying to make sure that the former don’t depart too much from their ways. >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:50 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> It is hard (for me) to evaluate the assertions made here. What are the author’s sources, and how reliable are they? He relies a lot on Trump tweets. He may be right various of his claims, but we should wait to see what transpires when he assumes office in just a couple of weeks. We’ll know soon enough. Otherwise, this article is overly speculative and hence unconvincing. >>>> >>>> —mkb >>>> >>>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:03 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Trump’s coming confrontation with China >>>>> 7 January 2017 >>>>> US President-elect Donald Trump is preparing to dramatically intensify Washington’s confrontation with Beijing across the board—diplomatically, economically and militarily—through reckless measures that risk trade war and war. His bellicose economic threats against China during the election campaign have been followed by a series of provocative tweets that have exacerbated tensions with Beijing over some of the world’s most dangerous flashpoints—Taiwan, the Korean Peninsula and the South China Sea. >>>>> Trump’s belligerent anti-China stance is bound up with the intense conflict within the US state apparatus and political establishment over the future direction of foreign and military policy. After suffering debacles in Syria, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, the question raging in ruling circles is how to use America’s residual military might to ensure its global hegemony, and against which of its major rivals—Russia or China? >>>>> One faction is exploiting unsubstantiated allegations that Russian hacking influenced the outcome of the presidential election in Trump’s favour to greatly inflate the threat posed by Moscow and undermine the president-elect. Trump, however, speaks for a layer of the corporate, political and military elites who regard China’s rise to the world’s second largest economy as a greater danger to US interests. >>>>> As he prepared to meet with top US intelligence officials yesterday, Trump once again played down allegations of Russian hacking and instead shifted the focus to China. “China, relatively recently, hacked 20 million government names,” he told the New York Times, referring to the alleged breach of the US Office of Personnel Management computers two year ago. “How come nobody even talks about that? This is a political witchhunt.” >>>>> Despite the intensity of the infighting, the divisions are tactical. Trump’s “America First” jingoism makes clear that his administration will tolerate no challenge to US power from any rivals, including Russia. >>>>> Trump has already signaled his intention, on his first day in office, to end US involvement in the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP)—the principal economic weapon of the Obama administration’s “pivot to Asia” aimed at subordinating China to US interests. The purpose of tearing up the TPP, however, is to make way for far more aggressive trade measures. Trump has threatened to brand China as a currency manipulator and to impose tariffs of up to 45 percent on Chinese goods. >>>>> Trump has appointed a gang of anti-China hawks and economic nationalists to implement trade policy, including Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, Robert Lighthizer as US Trade Secretary and Peter Navarro to head a new National Trade Council in the White House. Current US Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker told the Financial Times yesterday that senior Chinese officials have told her that Beijing would retaliate against US tariffs. She warned there was “a fine line between being tough and a trade war.” >>>>> Trump’s trade war threats are a desperate attempt to reverse America’s economic decline. Ideologues like Ross, Navarro and Lighthizer accuse China of trading unfairly and stealing US jobs. China’s share of global goods exports has increased three-fold since it joined the World Trade Organisation (WTO) in 2001, while the US share has declined by 30 percent. This dramatic shift, however, is driven by China’s emergence as the world’s largest manufacturing hub, above all for global transnationals, including many of America’s largest corporations. >>>>> While accusing Beijing of breaking trade rules, Trump is prepared to initiate punitive action against China, whether it conforms with the WTO framework or not. The eruption of trade war between the US and China would reverberate throughout the global economy, drawing in other countries with a stake in China and impacting severely on world trade. No longer having the economic muscle to lay down the international trade rules, the US has already begun a dramatic military build-up in Asia to assert its dominance, even if that leads to war with China. >>>>> Trump and his advisors have not criticised the objective of Obama’s “pivot” but rather its ineffectiveness. They advocate more aggressive methods. Trump has pledged to expand the US army by 90,000 personnel and the navy by 40 ships to 350. The naval expansion is above all aimed against China, with Trump advisor Rudy Giuliani boasting in November: “At 350, China can’t match us in the Pacific.” >>>>> Trump has already made clear that North Korea will be at the top of the foreign policy agenda. Earlier this week, he responded to an announcement by North Korea that it was preparing to test an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching continental America by flatly declaring: “It won’t happen.” He followed it with a second tweet criticising China for its failure to “help with North Korea”—in other words, to economically bully Pyongyang to meet US demands to dismantle its nuclear arsenal. By threatening unspecified action against North Korea, Trump is also putting Pyongyang’s only ally, China, on notice. >>>>> More fundamentally, Trump has threatened to tear up the entire basis for US-Chinese relations since 1979—the One China policy under which Washington recognised Beijing as the sole, legitimate ruler of all China, including Taiwan. He incensed the Chinese regime when he took a phone call from Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen last month—the first direct contact between US and Taiwanese leaders for nearly four decades. >>>>> As he declared that he would not feel bound by the One China policy, Trump lashed out at Beijing not only over trade and North Korea, but also for “building a massive fortress in the middle of the South China Sea, which they shouldn’t be doing.” His remark signals that he will confront China more aggressively in the South China Sea, where the Obama administration has already risked naval clashes by sending US warships into territorial waters claimed by China on so-called freedom of navigation operations. >>>>> If there were any doubt that he is preparing for war, Trump’s tweet prior to Christmas that the US must “greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear [weapons] capacity” is a chilling warning of his reckless and militarist intentions. The logic of the trade war that Trump and his advisors advocate is the inexorable slide toward war between nuclear-armed powers. The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the international working class, unified on the basis of a socialist perspective to put an end to the social order that gives rise to war—capitalism and its outmoded division of the world into rival nation states. >>>>> Peter Symonds >>>>> WSWS.ORG >>>>> If I were to edit this article, I would take out the last sentence in the last paragraph and simply say: The only social force capable of halting the drive to war is the “American people.” Not that I don’t support socialism but because I don’t think we can stop war by waiting for a the unification of an international socialist movement to stop the killing. Given what is occurring currently. >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ From brussel at illinois.edu Sun Jan 8 18:32:36 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 18:32:36 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: [ufpj-activist] Allegations Against Russia Less Credible Every Day References: Message-ID: As cogent a statement as I’ve come across about Russia’s supposed incursion into the presidential campaign, and other matters. Begin forwarded message: From: David Swanson > Subject: [ufpj-activist] Allegations Against Russia Less Credible Every Day Date: January 8, 2017 at 10:43:44 AM CST To: David Swanson > Allegations Against Russia Less Credible Every Day By David Swanson http://davidswanson.org/node/5403 The U.S. government has now generated numerous news stories and released multiple "reports" aimed at persuading us that Vladimir Putin is to blame for Donald Trump becoming president. U.S. media has dutifully informed us that the case has been made. What has been made is the case for writing your own news coverage. The "reports" from the "intelligence community" are no lengthier than the New York Times and Washington Post articles about them. Why not just read the reports and cut out the middle-person? The New York Times calls the latest report "damning and surprisingly detailed" before later admitting in the same "news" article that the report "contained no information about how the agencies had collected their data or had come to their conclusions." A quick glance at the report itself would have made clear to you that it did not pretend to present a shred of evidence that Russia hacked emails or served as a source for WikiLeaks. Yet Congresswoman Barbara Lee declared the evidence in this evidence-free report "overwhelming." What should progressives believe, the best Congresswoman we've got or our own lying eyes? Supposedly the evidence has been made public and is overwhelming, but try to find it and you'll come up dry. Ask why, and you'll be told that of course the evidence cannot be made public as that would risk revealing how the U.S. government came upon the information. Yet the same government feeds the U.S. media with the story that it intercepted communications of top Russian officials just after the U.S. election celebrating Trump's victory. Did that story not run that risk? The U.S. government feeds the U.S. media (specifically the "free" press of the Washington Post whose owner makes more money from the CIA than from the Washington Post) that Russia has hacked Vermont's electrical supply, and -- because this was a claim that could be checked by an independent party -- the secret methods of the CIA quickly turned out to be these: they had simply made the thing up. If you read the "reports" that the U.S. government releases, and understand that the term "assess" is a synonym for "to claim without evidence," it will very quickly become clear that reports on Russians' motives for their alleged crimes (as well as for their non-criminal public actions, such as running a television network) are purely guesses. It also becomes clear that the U.S. government is not even claiming to have any evidence that Russia was a source for WikiLeaks. And, with a bit of help, it should become evident to anyone that the U.S. government is not claiming to have any actual evidence of the Russian government hacking Democratic emails. Even the NSA will commit only to "moderate" confidence in what millions of Democrats will now stake their lives (and potentially everybody else's) on. Former top NSA expert on this stuff William Binney swears the claims are utter nonsense. IP addresses produced as supposed evidence turn out in at least many cases to have nothing to do with Russia at all, much less the Russian government. When the "17 intelligence organizations" put their collective multi-billion-dollar brains together and report on anything that's publicly available, they tend to get it wrong. The facts about Russia's television network in this latest "report" misidentify personnel, describe old programs as new ones, and screw up dates by failing to recognize that in some parts of the world people list the day before the month. Yet we are supposed to believe that anything they say about topics not publicly available must be true -- despite having proved false over and over again for decades. WikiLeaks, which never claimed Iraq had WMDs, never alleged Gadaffi was about to commit a massacre, never sent missiles from drones into a single wedding or hospital, never concocted tales of babies taken from incubators, never screwed up its claims re chemical weapons attacks or the shooting down of airplanes, and in fact has never, as far as we know, tried to lie to us at all, says Russia was not its source. Julian Assange clearly does not think Russia used someone else to pass information to him. He could be wrong. But Craig Murray, a diplomat with a stellar reputation for honesty, claims to know at least one source and to place them in either the NSA or the Democratic Party. Of course, having a plausible alternative account is not necessary to recognize that the U.S. government has no evidence to support its account. But the fact is that Murray's and numerous other scenarios are perfectly plausible. One ought to await evidence before declaring one of them fact. But we can go ahead and declare the CIA's story less and less likely with each passing day. NSA whistleblowers like Binney believe that if this story were true the NSA would have evidence of it. It is safe to assume that if the NSA had evidence of it, some outline of that evidence would have been made public by now, rather than all the fluff, nonsense, and incompetent false attributions of IP addresses to Russia, etc. As each new perfumed pig of a report is released in Friday evening news dumps, we can advance ever closer to declaring that, while the Russian government has indeed done far worse things, it did not do this. In fact, the latest report doesn't just produce no evidence of hacking and providing to WikiLeaks. It also tries to change the subject to things Russia openly and publicly did, that nobody disputes, but that the "intelligence" agencies still manage to screw up all the details on. I once, no kidding, invited a former CIA agent to speak at an event on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., and the guy was late because he was unable to find it. The accusations against Russia in the latest "overwhelming" report include: favoring proposals to work with Russia over proposals to build hostility (shocking!), and running a television network that many people in the United States choose to watch (the outrage! how capitalistic!). And the television network is accused of cheering for Trump's election -- as if the British media wouldn't have cheered for Clinton's -- as if the U.S. media doesn't cheer for election winners abroad all the time. This network, RT, is also accused of covering third-party candidates, fracking, Occupy, vote suppression, flaws in the U.S. election system, and other forbidden topics. Well why do you think people watch it? If the U.S. media gave good time to third-party candidates, would people have to turn elsewhere to learn about them? If the U.S. media could be trusted not to claim a U.S. government report was "damning" in the same article that would later admit it was devoid of evidence, would people in the U.S. search for alternative sources of information? If the U.S. media allowed honest reporting on Occupy or fracking, if it opened itself up to a wide range of points of view and debate, if it allowed serious criticism of U.S. government policies supported by both big parties, would people despise it the way they do? Would people cheer when a fascist buffoon like Trump denounces the media? Isn't the U.S. media's awfulness, combined with the incredible free airtime it gave Trump, a fair target of blame for his becoming president? When I go on RT and suggest that the United States should end all its wars, and that Russia should too, I'm invited back on. The last U.S. network to have me on was MSNBC, and I opposed U.S. warmaking and was never heard from again. Perhaps most people watching U.S. media don't quite realize that there are no antiwar voices allowed, no voices that actually want to abolish war. Yet most people feel there is something missing, on this and most topics. There's lots of supposed debate on U.S. media, yet a dim -- or glaring -- awareness among viewers and readers that the debate is severely limited. Here's an example close-to-hand: Whoever revealed to the U.S. public additional evidence that the Democratic Party had slanted its primary against Bernie Sanders did us all a favor. Those who still wanted to vote for Hillary Clinton (which was clearly most if not all the people who did before) could still do so. But anyone who approved of Hillary Clinton's disastrous decades-long record and yet objected to the unfair primary could choose not to vote for her. An informed public is a more democratic one, not less. Whoever informed us aided our democracy. They didn't damage it. And whoever informed us was not themselves responsible for rigging the primary against Sanders. That was the Democratic Party. But this point of view is neither permitted in the U.S. media nor consciously missed, because the topic has been focused on whodunit rather than what-did-they-do. A second example is this: Those in the U.S. government pushing for greater cold, if not hot, war with Russia, with increased desperation during these next two weeks will be benefitting weapons profiteers and perhaps "news" profiteers, but just about nobody else, while risking incredible death and destruction. If I were an "intelligence" agency, I would "assess" with "high confidence" that corruption was afoot. And I'd get 16 friends to join me in calling that "assessment" a "report" if it helped you to take it seriously. -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. _______________________________________________ ufpj-activist mailing list Post: ufpj-activist at lists.mayfirst.org List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/ufpj-activist To Unsubscribe Send email to: ufpj-activist-unsubscribe at lists.mayfirst.org Or visit: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/options/ufpj-activist/brussel%40illinois.edu You are subscribed as: brussel at illinois.edu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 9 00:52:56 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 00:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Uri Avnery on Settlements References: <1140822611.1187308.1483923176489.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1140822611.1187308.1483923176489@mail.yahoo.com> The sage conclusion of this venerable (90+) Israeli peace activist should also be taken into account by liberal American Jews; and you don't even have to have loved Israel in the first place to agree with him. DG January 6, 2017 The Problem With Settlements by Uri Avnery  During World War II, when German bombers terrorized Britain,  a small group of gallant airmen faced them every day. Their life expectancy was numbered in days.Once, a genius at the propaganda ministry devised a poster: “Who is afraid of the German Luftwaffe?”When it was posted at one of the Royal Air Force bases, an anonymous hand penned underneath: “Sign here”.Within hours, all the airmen had signed.These were the men about whom Winston Churchill said: “Never have so many owed so much to so few!”If somebody today were to devise a poster asking “Who is afraid of the settlers?” I would be the first to sign.I am afraid. Not for myself. For the State of Israel. For everything we have built during the last 120 years.Lately, more and more people in Israel and around the world have been saying that the “Two-State Solution” is dead.Finito. Kaput. The settlers have finally killed it.Peace is finished. There is nothing we can do about it. We can only sit in our comfortable armchair in front of the TV set, sigh deeply, sip our drink and say to ourselves: “The settlements are irreversible!”When did I hear that for the first time?Some 40 years – or was it 50 years – ago, the noted Israeli historian Meron Benvenisti used it for the first time. The settlements, he proclaimed, have resulted in an “irreversible” situation. No Two-State solution, which my friends and I were insisting on. Sorry, irreversible. At that time, there were less than a hundred thousand settlers in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and even some in Sinai.Now, this slogan can be heard everywhere. Irreversible. The sheer mass of the settlers has made the Two-state Solution a pipe-dream.It is said that there are now some 450 thousand settlers in the West Bank, and an additional 150 thousand in occupied East Jerusalem.They cannot be removed without a civil war, Jews against Jews.So let’s stop talking about the Two-state Solution. Let’s think about something else. A One-State solution? An apartheid state? No solution at all? Eternal conflict?I do not believe that there is a human problem that has no solution.I do not believe that despair is a good counselor, though it may be a comfortable one.I do not believe that anything in life is “irreversible”. Except death.If one is faced with a problem that seems irresolvable, one has to look at it, analyze it and consider the possible ways out.It is said that General Bernard Montgomery, the British commander in North Africa, had a picture of his adversary, the legendary German general Erwin Rommel, on his desk at his headquarters. To his amazed visitors, he explained: “I want to ask myself at every moment: What is he thinking?”If we try to imagine the settlers, we see before us a mass of 650 thousand fanatics, growing in number every day. Really frightening. But not frighteningly real.There does not exist one mass of settlers. There are several kinds of settler. If we want to devise a means to overcome this problem, we first have to take it apart.Let’s look at the diverse groups, one by one.First there are the “quality of life settlers”. They go to the West Bank, find a spot surrounded by picturesque Arab villages and settle there on land that probably belongs to some Arab villager. They look out of their window at beautiful minarets and olive trees, hear the call to prayer, and are happy. They get the land for nothing or next to nothing.Let’s call them Group 1.Since they are not fanatics, it will not be too hard to resettle them in Israel proper. Find them a nice place, give them a lot of money, and they will move without too much trouble.Then there are the “border settlements”. There the settlers live in towns and villages very close to the old Green Line, the pre-1967 border that is still the legal border of the State of Israel.The bulk of the settlers live there.There exists a tacit agreement between Israel and the Palestinians that these settlements will be included in the “swap of territories” envisaged by practically everybody who deals with the “Two-State Solution”.The basis is a swap of 1 to 1, of equal value. For example, in return for the “settlement blocs”, Israel could cede territory alongside the Gaza Strip. The sons and daughters of the families within the Strip, the world’s most overcrowded area, would welcome the opportunity to build their homes there, near their families.Let’s call this kind of settler “Group 2”.To this group belong many of the ultra-orthodox settlers, who don’t really care about the locality. They just have very large families, following God’s commandment. They also need to live together in crowded communities, since many commandments of their creed demand joint institutions.The ultra-orthodox (“haredim” in Hebrew, meaning those “trembling” before God) live in terribly overcrowded towns in Israel – West Jerusalem, Bnei-Brak etc. They need more land, and the government is happy to oblige – but beyond the Green Line. One of these places is Modi’in Illit, opposite the Arab village of Bil’in, where for many years now the locals have demonstrated every Friday against the land grab.Last but not least are the ideological settlers, the fanatics, those who were sent there by God Himself. Let’s call them Group 3.They constitute the heart of the problem.To remove this hard core is a very difficult and dangerous job. How difficult depends on several factors.First of all: public opinion. As long as these settlers feel that the bulk of the Israeli general public supports them, they can be removed only by brute force. But most of the soldiers and policemen belong to precisely the same general public.This battle can be won only if it is preceded by a change in public opinion. To effect this, a lot of political work is needed. International support may help. But I don’t believe that international support – by the UN, the US and so forth – will be forthcoming if Israelis themselves do not effect a change.In the end, a removal of the hard core settlers by force may be necessary. It is not something to wish for, but it is something that may be unavoidable.The settlers of Group 3 are fully aware of these factors, much more so than their adversaries. For years now, they have been engaged in a systematic effort to infiltrate the army, the government, the civil service and especially the media.This effort has been highly successful, though not yet decisive. It must be countered by a similar effort by the peace camp.A cardinal factor that overshadows everything else is the battle of wills. The settlers are fighting for their ideology as well as their standard of living.This, by the way, reflects a historical and worldwide phenomenon: border people are hardier and more highly motivated than people of the geographical center.One outstanding example is Prussia. Initially, this was a German border province with very poor land and little culture. For centuries, German culture was centered in the well-to-do cities of the German heartland. But by sheer perseverance and willpower, Prussia became the dominant region of Germany. When the unified (second) German Reich was founded, Prussia was the decisive force.Much the same happened further south. Austria, a small south-eastern border province, established a large empire in the heart of Europe, including many different nationalities.This necessarily short sketch of possible solutions endeavors only to show that nothing is irreversible.In the end, it all depends on us.If we love Israel enough to stand up for its very existence as a state we want to live in and identify with, we shall act in time.Wouldn’t it be a pity if all the efforts and hopes of 120 years were to sink into the morass of a sordid, detestable little apartheid state? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Mon Jan 9 03:04:56 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 03:04:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump to increase warships Message-ID: <5F7508E3-D9D7-415F-8EDF-6B6DE7C3FB33@illinois.edu> Navy, Trump planning biggest fleet expansion since Cold War [image001-png_162613.png.cf.jpg] DAVID SHARP Associated PressJanuary 8, 2017 react-text: 602 1,549 /react-text react-text: 603 /react-text Comments BATH, Maine (AP) — With President-elect Donald Trump demanding more ships, the Navy is proposing the biggest shipbuilding boom since the end of the Cold War to meet threats from a resurgent Russia and saber-rattling China. The Navy's 355-ship proposal released last month is even larger than what the Republican Trump had promoted on the campaign trail, providing a potential boost to shipyards that have struggled because budget caps that have limited money funding for ships. At Maine's Bath Iron Works, workers worried about the future want to build more ships but wonder where the billions of dollars will come from. "Whether Congress and the government can actually fund it, is a whole other ball game," said Rich Nolan, president of the shipyard's largest union. Boosting shipbuilding to meet the Navy's 355-ship goal could require an additional $5 billion to $5.5 billion in annual spending in the Navy's 30-year projection, according to an estimate by naval analyst Ronald O'Rourke at the Congressional Research Service. The Navy's revised Force Structure Assessment calls for adding another 47 ships including an aircraft carrier built in Virginia, 16 large surface warships built in Maine and Mississippi, and 18 attack submarines built in Connecticut, Rhode Island and Virginia. It also calls for more amphibious assault ships, expeditionary transfer docks and support ships. In addition to being good for national security, a larger fleet would be better for both the sailors, who'd enjoy shorter deployments, and for the ships, which would have more down time for maintenance, said Matthew Paxton, president of the Shipbuilders Council of America, which represents most of the major Navy shipbuilders. "Russia and China are going to continue to build up their navies," he said. "The complexities aren't going to get any easier. The Navy, more than any of the services, is our forward presence. We're going to need this Navy." Many defense analysts agree that military capabilities have been degraded in recent years, especially when it comes to warships, aircraft and tanks. The key is finding a way to increase Navy shipbuilding to achieve defense and economic gains "in a fiscally responsible way that does not pass the bill along to our children," said independent Sen. Angus King of Maine, a member of the Armed Services Committee. Even when Trump takes office, no one envisions a return to the heady days during the Cold War when workers were wiring, welding, grinding, pounding and plumbing ships at a furious pace to meet President Ronald Reagan's audacious goal of a 600ship Navy. The Navy currently has 274 deployable battle force ships, far short of its old goal of 308 ships. Lawrence J. Korb, a retired naval officer and former assistant defense secretary under Reagan, said the Navy's request isn't realistic unless the Trump administration is willing to take the budget "to levels we've never seen.” . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001-png_162613.png.cf.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 584 bytes Desc: image001-png_162613.png.cf.jpg URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 13:25:25 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 13:25:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Media Campaign continues Message-ID: * » The media campaign on Russian hacking and the US debacle in Syria 9 January 2017 The World Socialist Website Andre Damon The publication Friday of the unclassified version of the report by US intelligence agencies has provided further evidence that the claims of Russian government hacking and leaking of Democratic Party emails have no foundation in fact. The report is bereft of factual substantiation of the allegations made by the CIA and the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, in October that Russia illegally obtained documents from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta. The New York Times, the most shameless media promoter of the anti-Russia campaign, was forced to admit in a front-page news article published Friday evening that “what is missing from the public report is what many Americans most eagerly anticipated: hard evidence to back up the agencies’ claims that the Russian government engineered the election attack.” It added, “Many in Washington expected the agencies to make a strong public case to erase any uncertainty. Instead, the message from the agencies essentially amounts to ‘trust us.’” The Washington Post reported that the classified version likewise contains “no bombshells.” Yet the media has not abandoned its campaign of lies aimed at pressuring the incoming Trump administration to take a more aggressive line against Russia. Speaking on the Sunday morning talk shows, media pundits and reporters, together with Republican war-mongers Lindsey Graham and John McCain, sought to portray the intelligence report as an ironclad indictment of Russian “meddling” in the election. Appearing on NBC News’ “Meet the Press” program, Senator Graham demanded that president-elect Trump “make Russia pay a price for trying to interfere” in the election. Graham, just returned from a tour of the Baltic countries bordering Russia, where the United States is deploying an additional 4,000 troops, declared, “I want a one/two punch against Russia. I want more sanctions to hit [Russian President Putin] harder… We want more trainers on the ground, 365 days a year, a permanent US military training presence in the Baltics, Ukraine and Georgia.” In the panel discussion following the interview, NBC news commentator Andrea Mitchell declared that Russia “weaponized” information it allegedly obtained by hacking the Democratic leadership. New York Times columnist David Brooks proclaimed, “Putin is a guy who murders journalists, who’s destroyed the democratic process in his own country, and now suddenly he feels the freedom to try to do that in our country.” The continuing media offensive, presenting as indisputable truth allegations the government has been unable to substantiate, testifies to the fact that the campaign is driven by unstated (and unpopular) political aims, not by any foreign attack on America’s “democratic process.” Since the charges of Russian hacking directed against the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton were first made over five months ago, the aim has been to whip up public support for an increasingly confrontational posture toward Russia, particularly with regard to the civil war in Syria. For nearly six years, the CIA has been engaged in a campaign for regime-change, funding and arming Islamist militias with the aim of overthrowing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Russia’s only Arab ally in the Middle East. In 2013, fabricated claims that the Syrian government had carried out chemical weapons attacks were used as a pretext for launching a full-scale air war against Assad. President Obama, facing popular opposition at home, divisions within the military establishment, and flagging support among the Washington’s NATO allies, called off the air assault at the last minute. There is little doubt that talks were underway between the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration, and planning was well advanced, for a massive US military escalation in Syria to be launched after the expected election victory of the Democratic candidate, who had the public support of dominant sections of the intelligence establishment. During the campaign, Clinton repeatedly called for the imposition of a “no fly” zone and other measures that posed a direct risk of military conflict with Russian forces operating in Syria. Had Clinton won, it is likely that the Obama administration would already be implementing war plans demanded by the CIA. The election of Trump, which took the political establishment by surprise, threw these plans into disarray. This is not because Trump is any less committed to a policy of militarism and war. His “America First” mantra represents a turn to the unbridled assertion of American imperialist interests by any and all means against all perceived challengers. However, Trump speaks for a faction within the US ruling class and state that sees China as the more immediate enemy and deems an immediate escalation against Russia to be a distraction from the first order of business—taking on Beijing. On Saturday, Trump shrugged off the previous day’s intelligence briefing and effectively reiterated his skepticism about the allegations of Russian hacking, tweeting, “Having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing.” The anti-Russian campaign erupted once again into a full-scale propaganda offensive when it became clear that Syrian government forces, backed by Russian air power and Iranian troops, were about to drive US-backed Islamist forces from their last major urban stronghold, eastern Aleppo. It is the humiliating defeat suffered by the US in Aleppo that to a considerable extent accounts for the hysterical character of the post-election campaign on Russian hacking. Speaking on “Meet the Press” Sunday, outgoing Defense Secretary Ashton Carter strongly indicated as much. Throughout the interview, moderator-propagandist Chuck Todd egged on Carter, asking whether the alleged Russian interference in the election was “an act of war” and demanding to know if it warranted a “military response.” He pressed Carter on whether “this administration moved too slowly to punish the Russians.” Carter declared that Russia had “doubled down on the Syrian civil war” and moved to “define its interests as being ones of frustrating the United States” in Syria, leading to the latest “aggressive act against our very democracy.” Fifteen years ago, official lies about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were used to drag the American people into war, setting off the ever-escalating wave of bloodletting in the Middle East. President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and their cabal of neoconservative ideologues went to great lengths to fabricate evidence that Iraq was seeking to produce nuclear weapons. The CIA went so far as to force an Al Qaeda detainee captured in Afghanistan to make false confessions under torture that the terrorist organization was working with the Iraqi government to set up terrorist training camps, a lie repeated by Colin Powell in his 2003 speech at the United Nations justifying the looming war against Iraq. The media played a critical role in disseminating the Bush administration’s “evidence,” including articles by New York Times reporters such as Judith Miller, who functioned as mouthpieces for the CIA. Millions of people around the world knew these were lies. They knew that what was coming was a war for oil. They demonstrated against the impending war in their millions, carrying out the largest global anti-war demonstrations in human history. Fifteen years later, the same types of lies are being trotted out by the media mouthpieces of the military/intelligence apparatus. What is notable is that while the methods today are the same and the targets are even bigger, there is no organized opposition. This is not due to increased support for war. It is due to the role of the organizations that 15 years ago headed up the protests, using their influence at that time to channel anti-war sentiment behind the Democratic Party. Today, when eight years of the Obama administration have shattered all pretenses of the Democratic Party being anything other than a party of the military-intelligence establishment, the pseudo-left organizations have themselves become openly pro-imperialist and pro-war. Andre Damon The World Socialist Website -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jan 9 16:13:10 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 10:13:10 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] UPTV programs for the first week of 2017 In-Reply-To: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net> References: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net> Message-ID: <95CA6AE9-8757-4079-9CB2-4832F4381DB8@illinois.edu> AWARE ON THE AIR - Episode #394 | Tuesday 3 January 2017 | Members and friends of AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, present a weekly hour of discussion of the US government's war-making and its attendant racism: . The discussants are Karen Aram, C. G. Estabrook, and Ed Mandel. Produced and directed by Yousef Kash for Urbana (IL) Public TV. NEWS FROM NEPTUNE - Episode #325, a Last Throw of the Dicey Democrats? edition | Friday 6 January 2017 | . Since 1990, News from Neptune has been a weekly hour of spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its coverage by the media, first on a soi-disant community radio station, and now on Urbana (IL) Public TV. This edition was produced and directed by Yousef Kash. The discussants are C. G. Estabrook, David Green, and David Johnson. ### From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 17:22:36 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:22:36 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: by Wm. Blum Message-ID: A Brief History of U.S. Interventions: 1945 to the Present by William Blum Z magazine , June 1999 [http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/PageMill_Images/redblueline.gif] The engine of American foreign policy has been fueled not by a devotion to any kind of morality, but rather by the necessity to serve other imperatives, which can be summarized as follows: * making the world safe for American corporations; * enhancing the financial statements of defense contractors at home who have contributed generously to members of congress; * preventing the rise of any society that might serve as a successful example of an alternative to the capitalist model; * extending political and economic hegemony over as wide an area as possible, as befits a "great power." This in the name of fighting a supposed moral crusade against what cold warriors convinced themselves, and the American people, was the existence of an evil International Communist Conspiracy, which in fact never existed, evil or not. The United States carried out extremely serious interventions into more than 70 nations in this period. China, 1945-49: Intervened in a civil war, taking the side of Chiang Kai-shek against the Communists, even though the latter had been a much closer ally of the United States in the world war. The U.S. used defeated Japanese soldiers to fight for its side. The Communists forced Chiang to flee to Taiwan in 1949. Italy, 1947-48: Using every trick in the book, the U.S. interfered in the elections to prevent the Communist Party from coming to power legally and fairly. This perversion of democracy was done in the name of "saving democracy" in Italy. The Communists lost. For the next few decades, the CIA, along with American corporations, continued to intervene in Italian elections, pouring in hundreds of millions of dollars and much psychological warfare to block the specter that was haunting Europe. Greece, 1947-49: Intervened in a civil war, taking the side of the neo-fascists against the Greek left which had fought the Nazis courageously. The neo-fascists won and instituted a highly brutal regime, for which the CIA created a new internal security agency, KYP. Before long, KYP was carrying out all the endearing practices of secret police everywhere, including systematic torture. Philippines, 1945-53: U.S. military fought against leftist forces (Huks) even while the Huks were still fighting against the Japanese invaders. After the war, the U. S. continued its fight against the Huks, defeating them, and then installing a series of puppets as president, culminating in the dictatorship of Ferdinand Marcos. South Korea, 1945-53: After World War II, the United States suppressed the popular progressive forces in favor of the conservatives who had collaborated with the Japanese. This led to a long era of corrupt, reactionary, and brutal governments. Albania, 1949-53: The U.S. and Britain tried unsuccessfully to overthrow the communist government and install a new one that would have been pro-Western and composed largely of monarchists and collaborators with Italian fascists and Nazis. Germany, 1950s: The CIA orchestrated a wide-ranging campaign of sabotage, terrorism, dirty tricks, and psychological warfare against East Germany. This was one of the factors which led to the building of the Berlin Wall in 1961. Iran, 1953: Prime Minister Mossadegh was overthrown in a joint U.S./British operation. Mossadegh had been elected to his position by a large majority of parliament, but he had made the fateful mistake of spearheading the movement to nationalize a British-owned oil company, the sole oil company operating in Iran. The coup restored the Shah to absolute power and began a period of 25 years of repression and torture, with the oil industry being restored to foreign ownership, as follows: Britain and the U.S., each 40 percent, other nations 20 percent. Guatemala, 1953-1990s: A CIA-organized coup overthrew the democratically-elected and progressive government of Jacobo Arbenz, initiating 40 years of death-squads, torture, disappearances, mass executions, and unimaginable cruelty, totaling well over 100,000 victims -indisputably one of the most inhuman chapters of the 20th century. Arbenz had nationalized the U.S. firm, United Fruit Company, which had extremely close ties to the American power elite. As justification for the coup, Washington declared that Guatemala had been on the verge of a Soviet takeover, when in fact the Russians had so little interest in the country that it didn't even maintain diplomatic relations. The real problem in the eyes of Washington, in addition to United Fruit, was the danger of Guatemala's social democracy spreading to other countries in Latin America. Middle East, 1956-58: The Eisenhower Doctrine stated that the United States "is prepared to use armed forces to assist" any Middle East country "requesting assistance against armed aggression from any country controlled by international communism." The English translation of this was that no one would be allowed to dominate, or have excessive influence over, the middle east and its oil fields except the United States, and that anyone who tried would be, by definition, "Communist." In keeping with this policy, the United States twice attempted to overthrow the Syrian government, staged several shows-of-force in the Mediterranean to intimidate movements opposed to U.S.-supported governments in Jordan and Lebanon, landed 14,000 troops in Lebanon, and conspired to overthrow or assassinate Nasser of Egypt and his troublesome middle-east nationalism. Indonesia, 1957-58: Sukarno, like Nasser, was the kind of Third World leader the United States could not abide. He took neutralism in the cold war seriously, making trips to the Soviet Union and China (though to the White House as well). He nationalized many private holdings of the Dutch, the former colonial power. He refused to crack down on the Indonesian Communist Party, which was walking the legal, peaceful road and making impressive gains electorally. Such policies could easily give other Third World leaders "wrong ideas." The CIA began throwing money into the elections, plotted Sukarno's assassination, tried to blackmail him with a phony sex film, and joined forces with dissident military officers to wage a full-scale war against the government. Sukarno survived it all. British Guiana/Guyana, 1953-64: For 11 years, two of the oldest democracies in the world, Great Britain and the United States, went to great lengths to prevent a democratically elected leader from occupying his office. Cheddi Jagan was another Third World leader who tried to remain neutral and independent. He was elected three times. Although a leftist-more so than Sukarno or Arbenz-his policies in office were not revolutionary. But he was still a marked man, for he represented Washington's greatest fear: building a society that might be a successful example of an alternative to the capitalist model. Using a wide variety of tactics-from general strikes and disinformation to terrorism and British legalisms, the U. S. and Britain finally forced Jagan out in 1964. John F. Kennedy had given a direct order for his ouster, as, presumably, had Eisenhower. One of the better-off countries in the region under Jagan, Guyana, by the 1980s, was one of the poorest. Its principal export became people. Vietnam, 1950-73: The slippery slope began with siding with ~ French, the former colonizers and collaborators with the Japanese, against Ho Chi Minh and his followers who had worked closely with the Allied war effort and admired all things American. Ho Chi Minh was, after all, some kind of Communist. He had written numerous letters to President Truman and the State Department asking for America's help in winning Vietnamese independence from the French and finding a peaceful solution for his country. All his entreaties were ignored. Ho Chi Minh modeled the new Vietnamese declaration of independence on the American, beginning it with "All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with ..." But this would count for nothing in Washington. Ho Chi Minh was some kind of Communist. Twenty-three years and more than a million dead, later, the United States withdrew its military forces from Vietnam. Most people say that the U.S. lost the war. But by destroying Vietnam to its core, and poisoning the earth and the gene pool for generations, Washington had achieved its main purpose: preventing what might have been the rise of a good development option for Asia. Ho Chi Minh was, after all, some kind of communist. Cambodia, 1955-73: Prince Sihanouk was yet another leader who did not fancy being an American client. After many years of hostility towards his regime, including assassination plots and the infamous Nixon/Kissinger secret "carpet bombings" of 1969-70, Washington finally overthrew Sihanouk in a coup in 1970. This was all that was needed to impel Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge forces to enter the fray. Five years later, they took power. But five years of American bombing had caused Cambodia's traditional economy to vanish. The old Cambodia had been destroyed forever. Incredibly, the Khmer Rouge were to inflict even greater misery on this unhappy land. To add to the irony, the United States supported Pol Pot, militarily and diplomatically, after their subsequent defeat by the Vietnamese. The Congo/Zaire, 1960-65: In June 1960, Patrice Lumumba became the Congo's first prime minister after independence from Belgium. But Belgium retained its vast mineral wealth in Katanga province, prominent Eisenhower administration officials had financial ties to the same wealth, and Lumumba, at Independence Day ceremonies before a host of foreign dignitaries, called for the nation's economic as well as its political liberation, and recounted a list of injustices against the natives by the white owners of the country. The man was obviously a "Communist." The poor man was obviously doomed. Eleven days later, Katanga province seceded, in September, Lumumba was dismissed by the president at the instigation of the United States, and in January 1961 he was assassinated at the express request of Dwight Eisenhower. There followed several years of civil conflict and chaos and the rise to power of Mobutu Sese Seko, a man not a stranger to the CIA. Mobutu went on to rule the country for more than 30 years, with a level of corruption and cruelty that shocked even his CIA handlers. The Zairian people lived in abject poverty despite the plentiful natural wealth, while Mobutu became a multibillionaire. Brazil, 1961-64: President Joao Goulart was guilty of the usual crimes: He took an independent stand in foreign policy, resuming relations with socialist countries and opposing sanctions against Cuba; his administration passed a law limiting the amount of profits multinationals could transmit outside the country; a subsidiary of ITT was nationalized; he promoted economic and social reforms. And Attorney-General Robert Kennedy was uneasy about Goulart allowing "communists" to hold positions in government agencies. Yet the man was no radical. He was a millionaire land-owner and a Catholic who wore a medal of the Virgin around his neck. That, however, was not enough to save him. In 1964, he was overthrown in a military coup which had deep, covert American involvement. The official Washington line was...yes, it's unfortunate that democracy has been overthrown in Brazil...but, still, the country has been saved from communism. For the next 15 years, all the features of military dictatorship that Latin America has come to know were instituted: Congress was shut down, political opposition was reduced to virtual extinction, habeas corpus for "political crimes" was suspended, criticism of the president was forbidden by law, labor unions were taken over by government interveners, mounting protests were met by police and military firing into crowds, peasants' homes were burned down, priests were brutalized...disappearances, death squads, a remarkable degree and depravity of torture...the government had a name for its program: the "moral rehabilitation" of Brazil. Washington was very pleased. Brazil broke relations with Cuba and became one of the United States' most reliable allies in Latin America. Dominican Republic, 1963-66: In February 1963, Juan Bosch took office as the first democratically elected president of the Dominican Republic since 1924. Here at last was John F. Kennedy's liberal anti-Communist, to counter the charge that the U.S. supported only military dictatorships. Bosch's government was to be the long sought " showcase of democracy " that would put the lie to Fidel Castro. He was given the grand treatment in Washington shortly before he took office. Bosch was true to his beliefs. He called for land reform, low-rent housing, modest nationalization of business, and foreign investment provided it was not excessively exploitative of the country and other policies making up the program of any liberal Third World leader serious about social change. He was likewise serious about civil liberties: Communists, or those labeled as such, were not to be persecuted unless they actually violated the law. A number of American officials and congresspeople expressed their discomfort with Bosch's plans, as well as his stance of independence from the United States. Land reform and nationalization are always touchy issues in Washington, the stuff that "creeping socialism" is made of. In several quarters of the U.S. press Bosch was red-baited. In September, the military boots marched. Bosch was out. The United States, which could discourage a military coup in Latin America with a frown, did nothing. Nineteen months later, a revolt broke out which promised to put the exiled Bosch back into power. The United States sent 23,000 troops to help crush it. Cuba, 1959 to present: Fidel Castro came to power at the beginning of 1959. A U.S. National Security Council meeting of March 10, 1959 included on its agenda the feasibility of bringing "another government to power in Cuba." There followed 40 years of terrorist attacks, bombings, full-scale military invasion, sanctions, embargoes, isolation, assassinations...Cuba had carried out The Unforgivable Revolution, a very serious threat of setting a "good example" in Latin America. The saddest part of this is that the world will never know what kind of society Cuba could have produced if left alone, if not constantly under the gun and the threat of invasion, if allowed to relax its control at home. The idealism, the vision, the talent were all there. But we'll never know. And that of course was the idea. Indonesia, 1965: A complex series of events, involving a supposed coup attempt, a counter-coup, and perhaps a counter-counter-coup, with American fingerprints apparent at various points, resulted in the ouster from power of Sukarno and his replacement by a military coup led by General Suharto. The massacre that began immediately-of Communists, Communist sympathizers, suspected Communists, suspected Communist sympathizers, and none of the above-was called by the New York Times "one of the most savage mass slayings of modern political history." The estimates of the number killed in the course of a few years begin at half a million and go above a million. It was later learned that the U.S. embassy had compiled lists of "Communist" operatives, from top echelons down to village cadres, as many as 5,000 names, and turned them over to the army, which then hunted those persons down and killed them. The Americans would then check off the names of those who had been killed or captured. "It really was a big help to the army. They probably killed a lot of people, and I probably have a lot of blood on my hands," said one U.S. diplomat. "But that's not all bad. There's a time when you have to strike hard at a decisive moment. " Chile, 1964-73: Salvador Allende was the worst possible scenario for a Washington imperialist. He could imagine only one thing worse than a Marxist in power-an elected Marxist in power, who honored the constitution, and became increasingly popular. This shook the very foundation stones on which the anti-Communist tower was built: the doctrine, painstakingly cultivated for decades, that "communists" can take power only through force and deception, that they can retain that power only through terrorizing and brainwashing the population. After sabotaging Allende's electoral endeavor in 1964, and failing to do so in 1970, despite their best efforts, the CIA and the rest of the American foreign policy machine left no stone unturned in their attempt to destabilize the Allende government over the next three years, paying particular attention to building up military hostility. Finally, in September 1973, the military overthrew the government, Allende dying in the process. They closed the country to the outside world for a week, while the tanks rolled and the soldiers broke down doors; the stadiums rang with the sounds of execution and the bodies piled up along the streets and floated in the river; the torture centers opened for business; the subversive books were thrown into bonfires; soldiers slit the trouser legs of women, shouting that "In Chile women wear dresses!"; the poor returned to their natural state; and the men of the world in Washington and in the halls of international finance opened up their check- books. In the end, more than 3,000 had been executed, thousands more tortured or disappeared. Greece, 1964-74: The military coup took place in April 1967, just two days before the campaign for j national elections was to begin, elections which appeared certain to bring the veteran liberal leader George Papandreou back as prime minister. Papandreou had been elected in February 1964 with the only outright majority in the history of modern Greek elections. The successful machinations to unseat him had begun immediately, a joint effort of the Royal Court, the Greek military, and the American military and CIA stationed in Greece. The 1967 coup was followed immediately by the traditional martial law, censorship, arrests, beatings, torture, and killings, the victims totaling some 8,000 in the first month. This was accompanied by the equally traditional declaration that this was all being done to save the nation from a "Communist takeover." Corrupting and subversive influences in Greek life were to be removed. Among these were miniskirts, long hair, and foreign newspapers; church attendance for the young would be compulsory. It was torture, however, which most indelibly marked the seven-year Greek nightmare. James Becket, an American attorney sent to Greece by Amnesty International, wrote in December 1969 that "a conservative estimate would place at not less than two thousand" the number of people tortured, usually in the most gruesome of ways, often with equipment supplied by the United States. Becket reported the following: Hundreds of prisoners have listened to the little speech given by Inspector Basil Lambrou, who sits behind his desk which displays the red, white, and blue clasped-hand symbol of American aid. He tries to show the prisoner the absolute futility of resistance: "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The world is divided in two. There are the communists on that side and on this side the free world. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the U.S. You can't fight us, we are Americans." George Papandreou was not any kind of radical. He was a liberal anti-Communist type. But his son Andreas, the heir-apparent, while only a little to the left of his father had not disguised his wish to take Greece out of the Cold War, and had questioned remaining in NATO, or at least as a satellite of the United States. East Timor, 1975 to present: In December 1975, Indonesia invaded East Timor, which lies at the eastern end of the Indonesian archipelago, and which had proclaimed its independence after Portugal had relinquished control of it. The invasion was launched the day after U. S. President Gerald Ford and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger had left Indonesia after giving Suharto permission to use American arms, which, under U.S. Iaw, could not be used for aggression. Indonesia was Washington's most valuable tool in Southeast Asia. Amnesty International estimated that by 1989, Indonesian troops, with the aim of forcibly annexing East Timor, had killed 200,000 people out of a population of between 600,000 and 700,000. The United States consistently supported Indonesia's claim to East Timor (unlike the UN and the EU), and downplayed the slaughter to a remarkable degree, at the same time supplying Indonesia with all the military hardware and training it needed to carry out the job. Nicaragua, 1978-89: When the Sandinistas overthrew the Somoza dictatorship in 1978, it was clear to Washington that they might well be that long-dreaded beast-"another Cuba." Under President Carter, attempts to sabotage the revolution took diplomatic and economic forms. Under Reagan, violence was the method of choice. For eight terribly long years, the people of Nicaragua were under attack by Washington's proxy army, the Contras, formed from Somoza's vicious National Guard and other supporters of the dictator. It was all-out war, aiming to destroy the progressive social and economic programs of the government, burning down schools and medical clinics, raping, torturing, mining harbors, bombing and strafing. These were Ronald Reagan's "freedom fighters." There would be no revolution in Nicaragua. Grenada, 1979-84: What would drive the most powerful nation in the world to invade a country of 110,000? Maurice Bishop and his followers had taken power in a 1979 coup, and though their actual policies were not as revolutionary as Castro's, Washington was again driven by its fear of "another Cuba," particularly when public appearances by the Grenadian leaders in other countries of the region met with great enthusiasm. U. S. destabilization tactics against the Bishop government began soon after the coup and continued until 1983, featuring numerous acts of disinformation and dirty tricks. The American invasion in October 1983 met minimal resistance, although the U.S. suffered 135 killed or wounded; there were also some 400 Grenadian casualties, and 84 Cubans, mainly construction workers. At the end of 1984, a questionable election was held which was won by a man supported by the Reagan administration. One year later, the human rights organization, Council on Hemispheric Affairs, reported that Grenada's new U.S.-trained police force and counter-insurgency forces had acquired a reputation for brutality, arbitrary arrest, and abuse of authority, and were eroding civil rights. In April 1989, the government issued a list of more than 80 books which were prohibited from being imported. Four months later, the prime minister suspended parliament to forestall a threatened no-confidence vote resulting from what his critics called "an increasingly authoritarian style." Libya, 1981-89: Libya refused to be a proper Middle East client state of Washington. Its leader, Muammar el-Qaddafi, was uppity. He would have to be punished. U.S. planes shot down two Libyan planes in what Libya regarded as its air space. The U. S . also dropped bombs on the country, killing at least 40 people, including Qaddafi's daughter. There were other attempts to assassinate the man, operations to overthrow him, a major disinformation campaign, economic sanctions, and blaming Libya for being behind the Pan Am 103 bombing without any good evidence. Panama, 1989: Washington's bombers strike again. December 1989, a large tenement barrio in Panama City wiped out, 15,000 people left homeless. Counting several days of ground fighting against Panamanian forces, 500-something dead was the official body count, what the U.S. and the new U.S.-installed Panamanian government admitted to; other sources, with no less evidence, insisted that thousands had died; 3,000-something wounded. Twenty-three Americans dead, 324 wounded. Question from reporter: "Was it really worth it to send people to their death for this? To get Noriega?" George Bush: "Every human life is precious, and yet I have to answer, yes, it has been worth it." Manuel Noriega had been an American ally and informant for years until he outlived his usefulness. But getting him was not the only motive for the attack. Bush wanted to send a clear message to the people of Nicaragua, who had an election scheduled in two months, that this might be their fate if they reelected the Sandinistas. Bush also wanted to flex some military muscle to illustrate to Congress the need for a large combat-ready force even after the very recent dissolution of the "Soviet threat." The official explanation for the American ouster was Noriega's drug trafficking, which Washington had known about for years and had not been at all bothered by. Iraq, 1990s: Relentless bombing for more than 40 days and nights, against one of the most advanced nations in the Middle East, devastating its ancient and modern capital city; 177 million pounds of bombs falling on the people of Iraq, the most concentrated aerial onslaught in the history of the world; depleted uranium weapons incinerating people, causing cancer; blasting chemical and biological weapon storage and oil facilities; poisoning the atmosphere to a degree perhaps never matched anywhere; burying soldiers alive, deliberately; the infrastructure destroyed, with a terrible effect on health; sanctions continued to this day multiplying the health problems; perhaps a million children dead by now from all of these things, even more adults. Iraq was the strongest military power among the Arab states. This may have been their crime. Noam Chomsky has written: "It's been a leading, driving doctrine of U.S. foreign policy since the 1940s that the vast and unparalleled energy resources of the Gulf region will be effectively dominated by the United States and its clients, and, crucially, that no independent, indigenous force will be permitted to have a substantial influence on the administration of oil production and price. " Afghanistan, 1979-92: Everyone knows of the unbelievable repression of women in Afghanistan, carried out by Islamic fundamentalists, even before the Taliban. But how many people know that during the late 1970s and most of the 1980s, Afghanistan had a government committed to bringing the incredibly backward nation into the 20th century, including giving women equal rights? What happened, however, is that the United States poured billions of dollars into waging a terrible war against this government, simply because it was supported by the Soviet Union. Prior to this, CIA operations had knowingly increased the probability of a Soviet intervention, which is what occurred. In the end, the United States won, and the women, and the rest of Afghanistan, lost. More than a million dead, three million disabled, five million refugees, in total about half the population. El Salvador, 1980-92: El Salvador's dissidents tried to work within the system. But with U.S. support, the government made that impossible, using repeated electoral fraud and murdering hundreds of protesters and strikers. In 1980, the dissidents took to the gun, and civil war. Officially, the U.S. military presence in El Salvador was limited to an advisory capacity. In actuality, military and CIA personnel played a more active role on a continuous basis. About 20 Americans were killed or wounded in helicopter and plane crashes while flying reconnaissance or other missions over combat areas, and considerable evidence surfaced of a U.S. role in the ground fighting as well. The war came to an official end in 1992; 75,000 civilian deaths and the U.S. Treasury depleted by six billion dollars. Meaningful social change has been largely thwarted. A handful of the wealthy still own the country, the poor remain as ever, and dissidents still have to fear right-wing death squads. Haiti, 1987-94: The U.S. supported the Duvalier family dictatorship for 30 years, then opposed the reformist priest, Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Meanwhile, the CIA was working intimately with death squads, torturers, and drug traffickers. With this as background, the Clinton White House found itself in the awkward position of having to pretend-because of all their rhetoric about "democracy"-that they supported Aristide's return to power in Haiti after he had been ousted in a 1991 military coup. After delaying his return for more than two years, Washington finally had its military restore Aristide to office, but only after obliging the priest to guarantee that he would not help the poor at the expense of the rich, and that he would stick closely to free-market economics. This meant that Haiti would continue to be the assembly plant of the Western Hemisphere, with its workers receiving literally starvation wages. Yugoslavia, 1999: The United States is bombing the country back to a pre-industrial era. It would like the world to believe that its intervention is motivated only by "humanitarian" impulses. Perhaps the above history of U.S. interventions can help one decide how much weight to place on this claim. *** William Blum is the author of Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 9 18:57:51 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 18:57:51 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chris Hedges: The Real Purpose of the US Govs. Report on Alleged Russian Hacking Message-ID: The Real Purpose of the U.S. Government’s Report on Alleged Hacking by Russia Posted on Jan 8, 2017 By Chris Hedges [http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/russiahedgesreport_590.jpg] A detail of a page in the declassified report. (Jon Elswick / AP) Some thoughts on “Russia’s Influence Campaign Targeting the 2016 US Presidential Election,” the newly released declassified report from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. 1. The primary purpose of the declassified report, which offers no evidence to support its assertions that Russia hacked the U.S. presidential election campaign, is to discredit Donald Trump. I am not saying there was no Russian hack of John Podesta’s emails. I am saying we have yet to see any tangible proof to back up the accusation. This charge—Sen. John McCain has likened the alleged effort by Russia to an act of war—is the first salvo in what will be a relentless campaign by the Republican and Democratic establishment, along with its corporatist allies and the mass media, to destroy the credibility of the president-elect and prepare the way for impeachment. The allegations in the report, amplified in breathtaking pronouncements by a compliant corporate media that operates in a non-fact-based universe every bit as pernicious as that inhabited by Trump, are designed to make Trump look like Vladimir Putin’s useful idiot. An orchestrated and sustained campaign of innuendo and character assassination will be directed against Trump. When impeachment is finally proposed, Trump will have little public support and few allies and will have become a figure of open ridicule in the corporate media. 2. The second task of the report is to bolster the McCarthyist smear campaign against independent media, including Truthdig, as witting or unwitting agents of the Russian government. The demise of the English programming of Al-Jazeera and TeleSur, along with the collapse of the nation’s public broadcasting, designed to give a voice to those not beholden to corporate or party interests, leaves RT America and Amy Goodman’s Democracy Now! as the only two electronic outlets with a national reach that are willing to give a platform to critics of corporate power and imperialism such as Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Ralph Nader, Medea Benjamin, Cornel West, Kshama Sawant, myself and others. Seven pages of the report were dedicated to RT America, on which I have a show called “On Contact.” The report vastly inflated the cable network’s reach and influence. It also included a few glaring errors, including the statement that “RT introduced two new shows—‘Breaking the Set’ on 4 September and ‘Truthseeker’ on 2 November—both overwhelmingly focused on criticism of the US and Western governments as well as the promotion of radical discontent.” “Breaking the Set,” with Abby Martin, was taken off the air two years ago. It could hardly be tarred with costing Hillary Clinton the election. The barely contained rage of Director of National Intelligence James Clapper at the recent Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on foreign cyber threats was visible when he spat out that RT was “promoting a particular point of view, disparaging our system, our alleged hypocrisy about human rights, et cetera.” His anger was a glimpse into how the establishment seethes with hatred for dissidents. Clapper has lied in the past. He perjured himself in March 2013 when, three months before the revelations of wholesale state surveillance leaked by Snowden, he assured Congress that the National Security Agency was not collecting “any type of data” on the American public. After the corporate state shuts down RT, it will go after Democracy Now! and the handful of progressive sites, including this one, that give these dissidents space. The goal is censorship. 3. The third task of the report is to justify the expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization beyond Germany, a violation of the promise Ronald Reagan made to the Soviet Union’s Mikhail Gorbachev after the fall of the Berlin Wall. Expanding NATO in Eastern Europe opened up an arms market for the war industry. It made those businesses billions of dollars. New NATO members must buy Western arms that can be integrated into the NATO arsenal. These sales, which are bleeding the strained budgets of countries such as Poland, are predicated on potential hostilities with Russia. If Russia is not a threat, the arms sales plummet. War is a racket. 4. The final task of the report is to give the Democratic Party plausible cover for the catastrophic election defeat it suffered. Clinton initially blamed FBI Director James Comey for her loss before switching to the more easily demonized Putin. The charge of Russian interference essentially boils down to the absurd premise that perhaps hundreds of thousands of Clinton supporters suddenly decided to switch their votes to Trump when they read the leaked emails of Podesta. Either that or they tuned in to RT America and decided to vote for the Green Party. The Democratic Party leadership cannot face, and certainly cannot publicly admit, that its callous betrayal of the working and middle class triggered a nationwide revolt that resulted in the election of Trump. It has been pounded since President Barack Obama took office, losing 68 seats in the House, 12 seats in the Senate and 10 governorships. It lost more than 1,000 elected positions between 2008 and 2012 nationwide. Since 2010, Republicans have replaced 900 Democratic state legislators. If this was a real party, the entire leadership would be sacked. But it is not a real party. It is the shell of a party propped up by corporate money and hyperventilating media. The Democratic Party must maintain the fiction of liberalism just as the Republican Party must maintain the fiction of conservatism. These two parties, however, belong to one party—the corporate party. They will work in concert, as seen by the alliance between Republican leaders such as McCain and Democratic leaders such as Sen. Chuck Schumer, to get rid of Trump, silence all dissent, enrich the war industry and promote the farce they call democracy. Welcome to our annus horribilis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 10 03:50:17 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 03:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Paul Street on Obama and Bill Clinton References: <1713279006.62914.1484020217746.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1713279006.62914.1484020217746@mail.yahoo.com> But, unlike Ronald Reagan and unlike George W. Bush, who were just sort of half-moronic figureheads for real power brokers behind the scenes, both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama -- highly educated, Ivy League law school, sophisticated, conscious articulators of neo-liberal and imperial ideology -- know exactly what they're doing and what they were about. And I sort of know this from inside information from Obama in Chicago long before he became the national Obama phenomenon. He's sort of quite astute about these kinds of things. He knows a thing or two about class analysis, knows a thing or two about Marxism, knows what neo-liberalism is. And you know, in this wonderful book that just came out by Mike Lofgren, "The Deep State" right -- Lofgren's this sort of inside Washington character. He was a Congressional Republican staffer for three decades. And he describes Obama, I think, accurately as kind of a reluctant, at the end of the day, sort of, but self-conscious and ultimately committed articulator of the imperial system. You know, in sort of a diffident kind of way that ended up pissing off some elites. But he knew what he was about. He's very different than Bush and very different than Reagan and I think the same applies to Bill Clinton. They know they've been managing state capitalism and they've been fairly good at it. I think this will be a difference with Trump, as well. 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Bush, who were just sort of half-moronic figureheads for real power brokers behind the scenes, both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama -- highly educated, Ivy League law school, sophisticated, conscious articulators of neo-liberal and imperial ideology -- know exactly what they're doing and what they were about. And I sort of know this from inside information from Obama in Chicago long before he became the national Obama phenomenon. He's sort of quite astute about these kinds of things. He knows a thing or two about class analysis, knows a thing or two about Marxism, knows what neo-liberalism is. And you know, in this wonderful book that just came out by Mike Lofgren, "The Deep State" right -- Lofgren's this sort of inside Washington character. He was a Congressional Republican staffer for three decades. And he describes Obama, I think, accurately as kind of a reluctant, at the end of the day, sort of, but self-conscious and ultimately committed articulator of the imperial system. You know, in sort of a diffident kind of way that ended up pissing off some elites. But he knew what he was about. He's very different than Bush and very different than Reagan and I think the same applies to Bill Clinton. They know they've been managing state capitalism and they've been fairly good at it. I think this will be a difference with Trump, as well. > > Trump is Obama's Legacy > > > Trump is Obama's Legacy > By The Real News Network > Paul Street tells Paul Jay that in the first two years of Obama's first term when the Democrats controlled b... > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 10 13:01:57 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 13:01:57 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: For Publication: Obama's Legacy-- "...a Disaster..." Message-ID: Ditto for this Illinois Nazis Law School-A Disaster! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:20 AM To: 'Dan Corkery' Subject: For Publication: Obama's Legacy-- "...a Disaster..." Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) My book "Tackling America's Toughest Questions" (Clarity Press: 2009) set forth a comprehensive analysis and critique of all the hideous atrocities President Bush Jr et al inflicted upon international law, human rights law, the U.S. Constitution, and innocent human beings, especially Third World People of Color, starting from when Bush Jr et al. stole the U.S. Presidency from the American People courtesy of 5 Republican Justices on the U.S. Supreme Court in the Fall of 2000. I decided to hold off writing the Conclusion to that book until shortly after President Obama came to power in January 2009. Therein I prognosticated: "Despite their presidential campaign rhetoric promoting 'change,' three weeks into the Obama/Clinton administration the continuity of policies across the board with the Bush administration is striking notwithstanding their change in atmospherics. It very well could be that despite our best efforts, hopes and expectations for instituting real political 'change' by means of the 2008 U.S. national elections, the American people are going to see in operation a Third Bush Term or at least a hybrid Obama/Bush/Clinton administration..." A Third and a Fourth Bush Terms are more like it. The elemental distinction between Obama and Bush Jr is that Obama is a Lawyer who was behind me at Harvard Law School and fully comprehends his monstrous crimes and hideous atrocities that he has inflicted against international law, human rights law, the United States Constitution, and Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color all over the world. The latter have become America's untermensch-the New Jews. Obama and I had the same Jurisprudence Teacher at Harvard Law School: Roberto Unger, the Founder of the Critical Legal Studies Movement. To his great credit, speaking on the BBC Hardtalk Program and elsewhere Professor Unger boldly and truthfully stated: " Obama is a disaster!" That makes for two of us at least. Professor Unger always taught his law students by his own example to speak Truth to power. Professor Francis A. Boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bérubé’s resolution denounced the incoming Trump administration and its expected threats to academic freedom.This resolution was a catalogue of boilerplate flummery regarding various “freedoms” (speech, political and religious belief, etc.) of concern to academics, all couched in the most anodyne terms, the kind of stuff one expects in a low-gear civics class.The speeches lauding this resolution came in the main from the self-same Zionists who earlier had opposed a resolution in support of Palestinian academic freedom!By this time, I had enough of their puke-inducing hypocrisy, and left the hall before the vote was taken. Resolutions Advocating a Boycott of Israel | | | | | | | | | | | Resolutions Advocating a Boycott of Israel I’m at the annual meeting of the Modern Language Association (MLA) in Philadelphia. The MLA Delegate Assembly v... | | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 10 19:38:15 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 19:38:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Forget what Meryl Streep said, and look at what Victoria Nuland is doing Message-ID: [THE OCEANIA SAKER] THE OCEANIA SAKER Search SKIP TO CONTENT * VIDEOS * PEPE’S CORNER * CONVERSATIONS * THE SAKER (ORIGINAL) * ABOUT UNCATEGORIZED BUILDING TOTALITARIANISM IN EUROPE – THE LAST COUP OF VICTORIA NULAND, BY DIMITRI KONSTANTAKOPOULOS JANUARY 10, 2017 AUGMENTED ETHER LEAVE A COMMENT Source: Voltairenet by Dimitri Konstantakopoulos Since April 2016, US neoconservatives have been trying to change the status of Cyprus. It is for them both (1) to reunite the island (2) to deprive it of its army (3) but also to deploy the Turkish army under cover of NATO. The inevitable Victoria Nuland, who should have become Secretary of State if Hillary Clinton had been elected president, is maneuvering. This plan is supposed to tie Turkey to NATO and prevent its rapprochement with Russia. [http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/1_-_1_4_-123-92bde.jpg]The President of the Republic of Cyprus, Nicos Anastasiades, receives the US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, Victoria Nuland. ctoria Nuland, the US Assistant Secretary of State, did not spend much time and energy with Christmas and New Year celebrations this year. She has another very urgent and pressing problem to solve, before leaving the State Department, and this is the “Cyprus conflict”. The way she wants to solve this conflict is by transforming a second member of the EU, after Greece, into a protectorate. As the proposed solution for Cyprus is higlhy unstable, powers outside the EU will be provided also with a bomb inside it, that is with the possibillity of provoking a Bosnian-type conflict inside, not outside EU borders. In the same time she wants also to get Turkey admitted immediately to the EU, by the window of the “Cypriot settlement”. By virtue of the provisions of the “Cyprus settlement” under consideration now, Turkey is invested after January 12 with many of the rights and powers (and none of the obligations) of the member-states. It will also legalize in Geneva, its military presence and its right to intervene militarily inside the European Union. Such an outcome of the Geneva conference will have enormous strategic consequences for Europe and for the Middle East, transforming the whole “Eastern Meditarranean”, a sea lane of vital importance, into a kind of “Mare Nostrum” of the “Naval Forces”, excluding from there any “foreign” strategic influence (German, Russian or Chinese) and laying one more foundation for encircling Russia from the South with a kind of “security belt” and trying to hinder its access to the “warm seas”, a centuries long dream of British imperial planners. It will constitute the deeper change of the Mediterranean strategic landscape, since the eruption of the so-called Eastern Question or, at least, since the Greek national revolution, two centuries ago. Annan Plan – Creating a Frankestein “state” in Cyprus The type of settlement Mrs. Nuland wants to impose on Cyprus is a new version of the Annan Plan, rejected by the overwhelming majority of Cypriots during the 2004 referendum, in spite of enormous pressure they had suffered and a real terror campaign against them, warning the day of Doom would come on the aftermath of a No vote. The Annan Plan is violating all essential provisions of European, International and Constitutional Law, including the UN Charter. In the light of its provisions, it represents the most comprehensive effort undertaken, since the defeat of Nazism, in 1945, to impose a totalitarian system in any western country. The Annan plan is instituting a kind of Frankestein state in Cyprus, where, among other things, the rule of majority (democracy) will be formally abolished, where there will be permanent vetos of the two Cypriot communities in every level of decision making and in all branches of power (executive, legislative, judicial), and, in the very probable case that system would be brought to an impasse, foreign judges will decide everything. In reality, the new “state” will be governed by foreign judges, concentrating upon themselves, three centuries after Montesqieu, all powers. The solution provides for imposing to the new “state” a complete disarmament status, that is forbid it from the right of self-defense and the means to exercise it (an army). And do it in a permanent terms, not as a temporary measure, as it happened with Germany and Japan after the 2nd World War. In Orwellian terms, this is called “Cyprus demilitarized”. In reality there will be many traffic problems there provoked, because of the military vehicles of Britain, Turkey, other NATO countries and Police cars from various “Christian and Muslim countries” which will be present there. Britain and Turkey will have the legal right to intervene militarily inside a territory of the European Union. “Fuck” Referendums Mrs. Nuland does not want to wait for any referendum. She knows that she can hardly win a second referendum in Cyprus (or in any other European country these times) on such terms. She has no time, she leaves the State Department on the 20th of January and she wants to end her career with a triumph, that is succeeding where MacMillan, Johnson, Kissinger, Bush, Annan, before her, failed miserably. There are also more essential reasons she wants to solve (or to create?) now this problem. Both the Greek and the European crises may enter a new and more dramatic phase next year. As for the Middle East, adjacent to Cyprus, it is waiting now for a Big Deal or a Big War. The only way to do what she wants, in order to circumvent the provision for a referendum, is to have the President of Cyprus Mr. Anastasiades and the leader of Turkish Cypriots Mr. Akinci sign all that, or as much as they can of that. Then, Mr. Tsipras, Mr. Erdogan and Mrs May will endorse them and they will do something else also, legalize the Turkish military presence inside the European Union for some indefinite, as we write period. Mr. Juncker plans also to be there to applaud all that in the name of the European Union. The State Department has already warned the US Congress to be ready to adopt bills on Cyprus and the Commission altered all its programs for January 12. That day, CNN will announce to all the world that the Cyprus conflict has already been solved. When people will realize what happened, and they will begin to tear their hairs, there will be no Obama or Nuland to answer any questions. (And maybe that arranges many more people than one can figure out). Mr. Anastasiades has already agreed to all that, Mr. Tsipras is under pressure also to agree. Mr. Juncker, Mrs. May and Mr. Erdogan already agreed. There remain some serious differences still on the composition of the Conference which remain to be settled as we write this article. And the referendum? you will probably ask. Ok, they will promiss to make two referendums, one for the Greeks and one for the Turkish Cypriots. Maybe they will do them, but only if they are sure of the result. Anyway, even if those referendums take place, they will not have much sense, as it will be impossible for the inhabitants to return to the status quo ante. The Republic of Cyprus as we know it will be dead and the Turkish military presence on the island legal. As for the voters they will be in front of the choice to accept after all what is too late to change or risk a chaotic situation, if they refuse it post factum. Is anything of all that legal? Is all that legal? No, nothing here is legal. (Look below, for the opinion of the Honorary President of the International Association of Constitutional Law, Professor Kasimatis). On the contrary they represent a coup d’Etat stricto sensu and in two ways. They constitute the most serious possible breach of the constitutional order of the Republic of Cyprus and of the Treaties of the European Union, as Cyprus is a member of this Union. No international conference and not even the President of Cyprus himself (or, for that matter, the Greek PM) has any right to sign agreements that infringe on the sovereignty of the Cypriot state (like for instance legalizing the Turkish military presence on the island, when numerous UN resolutions ask for the immediate withdrawal of Turkish forces, which invaded the island in 1974). Even more, nobody, including the President of Cyprus, has the right to change the constitutional structure of his state, much more, abolish it altogether! If they do it, it would be a coup d’Etat, in the strict legal sense of the word, that is a serious breach of the constitutional order of the Republic of Cyprus and, as this Republic is also a full member of the European Union, of the Treaties of the EU. Such things would be probably legal, only if we were living still under a medieval regime of absolute monarchies, not in Europe in 2016. The whole Geneva conference reminds us very much of what happened in Vichy, France, on the 10th of July 1940, when the French National Assembly invested, with an overwhelming majority, Marshal Pétain with constituent powers. In spite of the fact that even it was the National Assembly itself which took this decision, everything Pétain did was considered a coup d’Etat and, inspite of being a hero of the First World War, he was condemned to death after the liberation of France. Charles De Gaulle has become what he became, in the history of France and of the world, because he refused to recognize this, supposedly legal coup, by the French deputies and Pétain and fought against it. In Cyprus, unlike Pétain, Mr. Anastasiades not only did not get an authorization of his parliament for what he is doing, he even refused a demand of the opposition for an urgent debate. [http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/1_-_1_2_-229-4d3d8.jpg]Since the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in 1974, Ankara illegally occupies the northeast of the island and has set up a government called the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus”. Its president, Mustafa Akıncı, is a friend of Victoria Nuland. The purpose of Geneva: Destroy Cyprus as a sovereign, democratic and independent state By the way and until some weeks ago, all Cypriot and Greek governments since 1974 refused the Turkish proposal to convene such a conference, claiming that the only thing they could discuss about Cyprus with Turkey, was the withdrawal of the Turkish troops which invaded the island and remained there in spite of UN resolutions calling for their immediate withdrawal. But this was until December 1st. That day, Mr. Anastasiades has announced to his citizens that he is accepting the proposal without explaining much why he is doing it, what will be the purpose and the agenda of this strange conference. He did not consult with political parties in the island or the Greek government before announcing his decision. The most absolute confusion was reigning in the island, until December 27, when the leader of the Turkish Cypriots Mr. Akinci, speaking to the Turkish Cypriot media, probably to warn Anastasiades not to deviate from what they had already agreed in secret, explained a little bit what will happen in Geneva. According to what he said the Republic of Cyprus will not be present in the Geneva conference. All documents there will be signed by the “new Cyprus federation to be constituted”. In that way he revealed the real purpose of the operation, which is no other than to abolish the existing state in Cyprus (we repeat, a member of UN and the EU) and to create a new one, without asking the opinion of the citizens, without electing a Constitutional Assembly and without any authorization from anybody to do that. In that case, we don’t speak even about an operation of regime change. We have to speak about “country change”. A Greek Cypriot politician who is friend of Mr. Akinci answered to him explaining that he better avoid much public talk. The citizens of the Republic themselves are now in a state of complete shock, as they cannot believe that they will live in another state by January 12, they know nothing about it! Cyprus has a tradition of invasions and coups, but it is difficult still for the citizens to grasp the new and unbelievable reality that their own President is planning to sign the death of his own state! It is very difficult, psychologically and intellectually, to stop believing that Mr. Anastasiades is not their leader (even if some they may consider his as bad, wrong, corrupted or incompetent), but he is their killer! If the Cyprus thing succeeds it will in itself represent a colossal advancement of new political technologies. The trick is simple and genious. For a rape to be recognized as a rape, the victim has to resist and denounce the rapist. But here the rapist and the person charged with denouncing the rape is the same, the President of the Republic. The Greek factor Anastasiades himself is the most powerful weapon US ever had in Cyprus. But Mrs Nuland has also another very powerful weapon and this is the situation in Greece, the confusion and the dependence of Greek political forces. The cooperation of Greece to this operation is deemed absolutely necessary for political reasons. Mr. Tsipras in Athens, is now under enormous US pressure to give his consent and in a very difficult condition otherwise. SYRIZA is characterized also by a huge confusion regarding the Cyprus conflict. The Greek economy and society are very much into a death spiral, and the PM seems to be to the absolute mercy of Creditors, including the IMF. The German government nearly declared war against Greece, when his government decided, on the eve of Christmas, to give some financial peanuts to very poor Greek pensioners in a very real danger for their life and respecting the discipline of the program imposed to Greece (against the will of its people). The Finance Minister had to send a humiliating letter, promising more pension cuts in the next year, in order to get an armistice from Scheuble. If all that was not enough, Mr. Erdogan is threatening to fluid Greece with new waves of refugees. From Pétain to Yeltsin – what is a coup d’Etat Let us come back at this point to the term coup d’Etat we used. Maybe the readers are associating this with tanks and machine guns. Concerning the use of weapons they have to be a little patient. They will hear most probably their noise (as they heard it from Kiev), but they have first to wait until the Geneva operation succeeds and if it succeeds. But a coup d’Etat has nothing to do with the means used. It has to do with the breach of the constitutional (and European in our case) order of a given state. Maybe the readers will also question if a head of a given state can make himself or participate in a coup d’ etat against his own state. Not only he can, he is a thousand times more effective if he chooses to do it, as the only thing he has to do is use and abuse the powers he already legally possesses and can use. For example, the legal head of the Greek state, King Constantin, has participated in a US-backedcoup d’Etat against the constitutional order of his own state in 1967, by legalizing the government of the Colonels. The same thing was done by the head of the Russian state Boris Yeltsin in 1991, when he dissolved the USSR and in October 1993, when he bombed his own Parliament, if we examine those events from the point of view of soviet and Russian constitutional order. But nobody in the West has noticed of course this legal aspect of things, as westerners liked very much what Yeltsin did. We refer to this example, because it bears great analogies to what they are trying to do now in Cyprus. Professor Kasimatis on the legal aspect of the Geneva Conference [http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/1_-_1_3_-169-0214d.jpg] We asked the top Greek specialist on Constitutional Law and Honorary President of the International Association of Constitutional Law, Professor Yiorgos Kasimatis, about what and what is not legal for this Geneva conference to do. This is his opinion: “The Republic of Cyprus is internationally recognized as a full sovereignty state, by its admission to the United Nations and to the European Union. Nobody, including the President of Cyprus, the Greek PM or any international conference are entitled to take any decisions infringing, directly or indirectly, upon the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus or alter its constitutional structure. If they do it, it will be a very serious violation of both the Cyprus constitution and of the Treaties of the European Union. Only a constitutional assembly or the citizens themselves via a referendum, are entitled to adopt such measures. The only subject an international conference could discuss is how to apply the UN resolutions asking for the immediate withdrawal of Turkish occupation forces and the full restoration of the sovereignty of the Republic. It is not legal to connect or depend those international obligations, directly or indirectly, on any constitutional changes in the country. On the contrary, all third parties have the obligation to abstain from any actions or declarations, much more from signing any documents, which constitute a direct or indirect infringement upon the right of Cypriot citizens to decide by their own free will on the fundamentals of their state structure and on the international status of the Republic. All parties should do everything in their power to assure to the Cypriots the conditions for the free expression of their will, without any threats, blackmails, pressures, faits accmplis etc.” DIMITRI KONSTANTAKOPOULOS [http://www.vineyardsaker.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/auton125911-f3cbb.jpg] Journalist and writer. He worked as an advisor on East-West Relations and Arms Control in the office of Greek PM Andreas Papapndreou (1985-88) and he was the chief correspondent of the Greek news agency ANA in Moscow (1989-99). He collaborated with Michel Pablo in launching the international review for self-management Utopie Critique. He has been a member of the Central Committee and the Secretariat and of the Committee on Foreign Policy of SYRIZA. He stopped having any relations with SYRIZA in July 2015. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 00:46:20 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 00:46:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5Bufpj-activist=5D_Stephen_Shalom_?= =?utf-8?q?=C2=BB_Russia_and_the_Left?= In-Reply-To: References: <6530E5CB-DB12-481B-BADA-72A16D3F20B7@yahoo.com> <184F240BF49B4AC79739F51C4A2A4765@Per> Message-ID: * TICLES * MAGAZINE * SUBSCRIBE * DONATE * ARCHIVES * ABOUT * BOOKS * PODCASTS * FAQS SEPTEMBER 6, 2016 Socialists Supporting NATO and US Empire: a Response to Ashley Smith by RICK STERLING * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] At the recent annual convention of Veterans for Peace, VFP Vice President Jerry Condon said “The US peace movement has been demobilized by disinformation on Syria.” Disinformation and propaganda on Syria takes three distinct forms. The first is the demonization of the Syrian leadership. The second is the romanticization of the opposition. The third form involves attacking anyone questioning the preceding characterizations. There is a recent article which exemplifies all three of these forms. It is titled “Anti-Imperialism and the Syrian Revolution” by Ashley Smith of the International Socialist Organization (ISO). It’s a remarkable piece of misinformation and faulty analysis. Because it is clear and well written, it is likely to mislead people who are not well informed on the facts regarding Syria. Hence the importance of critically reviewing it. Technique 1: Demonize the enemy … “the Syrian regime and its brutal dictator” Smith starts off posing the question: Are you with the Syrian revolution or the brutal Assad dictatorship? The way he frames it, it’s not a difficult choice: yay for the revolution! Like these false options, Ashley Smith’s article is a fairy tale devoid of reality. His bias is shown as he criticizes the Left for ignoring “Assad’s massacre of some 400,000 Syrians”. Included in this death count are100 – 150 thousand Syrian soldiers and allies. Ashley blames Assad instead of the armed opposition for killing Syrian soldiers! Another example of false propaganda is the discussion of the chemical weapons attack that took place on August 21, 2013 in outer Damascus. Neoconservatives speak of this event as “proving” Assad’s brutality – “killing his own people” – as well as the “failure” of President Obama to enforce his “red line”. Ashley aligns with the neocons as he says “Barack Obama came under pressure to intervene militarily in Syria after the regime carried out a chemical weapons attack in a suburb of Damascus in 2013, but he backed a Russian-brokered resolution that protected Assad.” In reality, the Damascus sarin gas attack was carried out by an opposition group with the goal of forcing the U.S. to directly attack the Syrian government. Soon after the event, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity issued a statement reporting “the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident”. Later on, Seymour Hersh wrote two lengthy investigations pointing to Jabhat al Nusra with Turkish support being culpable. Investigative journalist Robert Parryexposed the Human Rights Watch analysis blaming the Syrian government as a “junk heap of bad evidence”. In the Turkish parliament, Turkish deputies presented documents showing that Turkey provided sarin to Syrian “rebels”. A detailed examination and analysis of all fact based stories in online at whoghouta.blogspot.com. Their conclusion is that “The only plausible scenario that fits the evidence is an attack by opposition forces.” Ashley Smith accuses the Syrian government of widespread torture. His main example is the case of Syrian Canadian Maher Arar who was arrested by US authorities in collusion with Canadian authorities, then rendered to Syria for interrogation in 2002. Arar was beaten during the initial weeks of his interrogation in Syria. After ten months imprisonment, Syrian authorities determined he was not a terrorist and sent him back to Canada. Arar received an official apology and $10 Million from the Canadian government. The most highly publicized accusation of rampant torture and murder by Syrian authorities is the case of “Caesar”. The individual known as “Caesar” was presented as a defecting Syrian photographer who had 55,000 photos documenting 11,000 Syrians tortured by the brutal Assad dictatorship. At the time, among mainstream media only the Christian Science Monitor was skeptical, describing it as “a well timed propaganda exercise”. In the past year it has been discovered that nearly half the photos show the opposite of what is claimed. TheCaesar story is essentially a fraud funded by Qatar with ‘for hire’ lawyers giving it a professional veneer and massive mainstream media promotion. While western media routinely refers to Assad as a dictator, in fact he is elected and popular with the majority of Syrians. Although not wealthy, Syria was largely self-sufficient with a semi-socialist state apparatus including free health-care, free education and large industries 51% owned by the state. You do not see pervasive western fast food, banks, and other corporate entities in Syrian cities. In the wake of protests, the government pushed through reforms which ended the one party system. There are now political parties across the political spectrum. These are a genuine ‘moderate opposition’. The June 2014 election confirmed Assad’s popularity despite the denials of those who have never been there. Technique 2: Romanticize the opposition … “the Syrian Revolution” Ashley Smith echoes mainstream media which portrays the conflict as a “civil war” which began with peaceful democratic loving Syrian revolutionaries beaten by a brutal regime. In reality there was a violent faction from the start. In the first protests in Deraa seven police were killed. Two weeks later there was amassacre of 60 security forces in Deraa. In Homs, an eye-witnessrecounted the situation: “From the start, the protest movements were not purely peaceful. From the start I saw armed demonstrators marching along in the protests, who began to shoot at the police first. Very often the violence of the security forces has been a reaction to the brutal violence of the armed rebels.” In the first two months, hundreds of police and security forces were killed. Ashley and company listen to Americans and British citizens and mistakenly believe they are listening to real Syrians. Some of these people left Syria at age 3. Some of them have never lived in Syria. Thus you have fantasy portrayals such as “Burning Country: Syrians in Revolution and War”. A more realistic picture is given by a Syrian who still lives in Aleppo. He writes under the name “Edward Dark” and describes how he and his friends quickly regretted the take-over of Aleppo by armed groups in summer 2012. He describes one friend’s reaction as the reality was hitting home: “How could we have been so stupid? We were betrayed!”. And another says: “Tell your children someday that we once had a beautiful country, but we destroyed it because of our ignorance and hatred.” Edward Dark is a harsh critic of President Assad and Baath Party. He is also naive regarding the role of US Ambassador Robert Ford. But his description of early protesters and the arrival of armed opposition rings true and more authentic than the portrayal of Yassin-Kassab and Al Shami. In fact many of the idealized “Syrian revolutionaries” promoted by the authors of “Burning Country” are trained and paid agents of the US and UK. The Aleppo Media Center which produces many of the videos is a US creation. The White Helmets which purport to be Syrian, independent and unarmed first responders are a creation of the US and UK. The banner boys from Kafranbel are another western funded operation. In her book about her time as Secretary of State, Clinton boasts of providing “training for more than a thousand activists, students, and independent journalists” (p. 464). Why do the enemies of Syria create such organizations? Partly as a way to channel money and support to the armed opposition. Also to serve as propaganda tools to confuse the situation and generate support for the real goal: regime change. For example, White Helmets mostly work in areas dominated by the Syrian Al Qaeda. Unlike legitimate organizations such as the Red Crescent, they never work in areas controlled by the government. And they are also active on the propaganda front, continually pushing for US / NATO intervention via a “no fly zone”. The misinformation of Ashley Smith and ISO confuses unwitting people and helps the enemies of Syria in their drive for regime change. In contrast with the romanticized delusions of Ashley Smith and the authors of “Burning Country”, the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency gave an accurate assessment in August 2012: “ EVENTS ARE TAKING A CLEAR SECTARIAN DIRECTION. THE SALAFIST, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AND AQI ARE THE MAJOR FORCES DRIVING THE INSURGENCY IN SYRIA.” Technique 3: Attack Those who Question the Dogma … “You’re an Assad supporter!” Ashley Smith does not criticize the NATO and Gulf states that are violating international law and the UN charter by funding and supplying a proxy army to attack Syria. Instead, he criticizes left groups who oppose the aggression. That is a sign of how far off track ISO is. They did the same thing regarding Libya and have evidently learned nothing from that disaster. Ashley Smith should go and tour Libya now to savor the “revolution” he promoted. Ashley Smith’s theme with respect to Syria (peaceful popular uprising against brutal dictator) is the same theme promoted by neoconservatives and the mainstream media. When they encounter a different perspective, they cry out, “You are an Assad supporter!”. Never mind that many genuine progressives do not say that. What we say is that it’s for the Syrian people to determine their government, not foreigners. Smith criticizes the British Stop the War coalition for having “adapted to Assad supporters” and for “giving a platform to allies of the dictatorship”, specifically “regime apologist Mother Superior Agnes Mariam”. Smith is misinformed on this issue also, but it is doubly revealing. In fact, Mother Agnes was hosted on the tour by Syria Solidarity Movement. When she was in London, she was invited to speak at a Stop the War rally. To his great discredit, the keynote speaker Jeremy Scahill, who is closely aligned with ISO, threatened to withdraw from the conference if Mother Agnes spoke. Scahill has done great journalistic work exposing Blackwater and Drone Warfare. However that does not excuse the complicity leading to blackmailregarding a Palestinian Lebanese nun who has shown immense courage in promoting reconciliation and peace in Syria. However, that action is typical of some misguided “socialist” groups, the Muslim Brotherhood and their allies. Mother Agnes was verbally attacked and abused by these groups throughout her tour, which otherwise met with great success. Mother Agnes has lived in Syria for over twenty years. She consistently says that Syria needs reform, but you don’t do that by destroying it. Ashley Smith goes on to criticize the US Peace Council for recently sending a delegation to Syria and having the audacity to talk with “Assad and his henchmen”. He sounds like the right wing hawks who denounced Jane Fonda for going to North Vietnam in the 1970’s. Smith displays a dogmatic and closed-minded view; what kind of “international socialism” does he represent? Smith criticizes Green Party candidates Jill Stein and Ajamu Baraka for “remaining silent about Putin’s and Assad’s atrocities”. This is another measure of how far off track the ISO is. They evidently are not aware of international law or they don’t care about it. The Assad government has a right to defend itself against terrorist attacks which are sponsored, funded and supplied by foreign governments. Syria also has a right to request help from Russia and Iran. But with tunnel-vision dogma, Ashley Smith and ISO do not care. They seem to be supporting instead of opposing imperialist aggression, violations of international law, and the death and destruction these have led to. Ashley disparages the Syrian government and people who have continued to fight against the forces of sectarianism promoted by NATO, Israel and the Gulf monarchies. Ashley and ISO would do well to send some people to see the reality of Syria. They would find it very different than their fevered imagination or what they have been led to believe by fake Syrians and Muslim Brotherhood dogmatists. Genuine progressives are not “Assad supporters”. Rather, we are opponents of imperialist aggression and supporters of international law–which says it’s the right of Syrians to determine who leads them. That would mean real Syrians, not those raised in or paid by the West. Ashley Smith’s Inaccurate Overall Analysis Ashley Smith gives a very inaccurate analysis of the overall geopolitical situation in Syria and beyond. He says “The US has been seeking a resolution that might push Assad aside, but that above all maintains his regime in power”. He goes on to say ‘U.S. policy from the beginning has been to preserve the core of Assad’s state.” Ashley believes “the U.S. has retreated in general from outright regime change as its strategy in the Middle East”. This is absurd. In reality the US and allies Israel and Saudi Arabia have been pushing for ‘regime change’ in Syria for over a decade. In 2005 CNN host Christiane Amanpour expressed the situation bluntly: “Mr. President, you know the rhetoric of regime change is headed towards you from the United States. They are actively looking for a new Syrian leader. They’re granting visas and visits to Syrian opposition politicians. They’re talking about isolating you diplomatically and, perhaps, a coup d’etat or your regime crumbling. What are you thinking about that?” In 2007, Seymour Hersh wrote about the destabilization efforts in his article “The Redirection”. In 2010, Secretary of State Clinton spoke of “changing Syria’s behavior” and threatened “President Assad is making decisions that could mean war or peace for the region …. We know he’s hearing from Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas. It is crucial that he also hear directly from us, so that the potential consequences of his actions are clear.” Secretary Clinton appointed Robert Ford to become US Ambassador to Syria. Ford was previously the chief political officer in Baghdad for Ambassador John Negroponte. Who is John Negroponte? He was Ambassador to Honduras overseeing the Nicaraguan Contras and El Salvador death squads in the 1980’s. Negroponte’s arrival in Iraq in 2004 led to ‘the El Salvador option’ (sectarian death squads) in Iraq. Since the conflict in Syria began in 2011 the US has spent many billions of dollars trying to overthrow the Syrian government or force it to change policy. The supply of sophisticated and deadly weaponry continues. In April 2016 it was reported that the US recently supplied 994 TONS of sophisticated rocket launchers, anti tank and other heavy weapons to “moderate rebels” who ally with the Syrian Al Qaeda ( Jabhat al Nusra recently renamed Jabhat Fatah al Sham). Ashley’s theory that the US is intent on “preserving” the Syrian state and the US has “given up” on regime change is not supported by the facts. Ashley continues the faulty analysis by saying “the U.S. is solely and obsessively focused on defeating this counterrevolutionary force (ISIS) in Iraq and Syria” and “the Obama administration has struck a de facto alliance with Russia”. This is more theory without evidence. The US coalition was doing little to stop ISIS and looked the other way as ISIS went across the open desert to attack and occupy Palmyra. They were similarly looking the other way as ISIS sent hundreds of trucks filled with oil from eastern Syria into Turkey each day. It was not until Russia entered the scene in support of Syria one year ago, that the US coalition got embarrassed into actually attacking ISIS. As to a “de facto alliance”, this is what Russia has implored the US to do, largely without response. In the past two weeks the U.S. has threatened Russian and Syrian planes not to attack US ground forces inside Syria and refused to come to agreement with Russia that “moderate rebels” working with acknowledged terrorists are not “moderate” and can be targeted. The Obama administration is trying to prevent the collapse of the regime change project by stalling and delay. Perhaps they wish to keep the project alive for a more aggressive US policy. Hillary Clinton continues to talk about a “no fly zone”. Her allies in Congress have recently initiated HR5732 which will escalate economic and financial sanctions against Syria and assess the implementation of a “no fly zone”. Ashley Smith suggests that large portions of the US left have been avidly supporting “oppressive regimes” such as Syria and Iran. He mocks those on the left who suggested the Iranian ‘green movement’ was US-influenced. His mockery is exposed as ignorance by none other than Hillary Clinton herself. In her book “Hard Choices” she recounts how they arranged for Twitter to postpone a system upgrade which would have taken the social media giant offline at a critical time, right after the 2009 Iranian election. Hillary and her group at the State Dept were actively promoting the protests in Iran. Dangerous Times Ahead Some middle east analysts have made the faulty analysis that Israel is not involved in the aggression against Syria. In reality, Israeli interests are at the core of the US policy against Syria. The Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. was explicit: “Israel wanted Assad gone since start of civil war”. He also said “bad guys supported by Iran” are worse than “bad guys not supported by Iran”. In other words, Israel prefers chaos and Al Qaeda to a stable independent Syria. Saudi Arabia is the other key U.S. ally seeking overthrow in Syria. With its close connections to the oil industry, military industrial complex and Wall Street, Saudi Arabia has enormous influence in Washington. It has been mercilessly bombing Yemen for the last 18 months and continues funding and promoting the proxy war against Syria. Both Saudi Arabia and Israel seek the same thing: breaking the resistance alliance which runs from Iran through Syria to Lebanon. They are in alliance with US neoconservatives who still dream of “a new American Century” where the US fights multiple wars to enforce its exceptional and sole supremacy. Along with some other countries, these are the forces of reaction violating international law and promoting the war against Syria. The tide is turning against the forces pushing for ‘regime change’ in Syria. But they have not yet given up and may even escalate. Now is when progressives in the West need to raise our voices in opposition to this aggression. Jill Stein and Ajamu Baraka can hopefully bring much more attention to this critical issue. Bernie Sanders and his supporters need to speak out against Hillary Clinton’s statements and plans. There are good people in ISO which does good work in many areas. We hope they will re-examine their assumptions, beliefs and actions regarding Syria. In the dangerous times ahead, we need them to be resisting the drive to war in Syria, not condoning or supporting it. Join the debate on Facebook Rick Sterling is a retired aerospace engineer who now does research/writing on international issues. He can be contacted at rsterling1 at gmail.com. On Jan 10, 2017, at 15:12, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: Don’t get this character confused with Stephen Cohen, a true expert on Russia, professor emeritus at Princeton. (I did.) —mkb On Jan 10, 2017, at 4:58 PM, Per Fagereng > wrote: I don’t know any leftists who enthusiastically praise today’s Russia. Speaking for myself, it’s an improvement over the past. It should be allowed to develop without being surrounded by NATO bases and tanks nudging its borders. It doesn’t deserve Washington’s obsessive bellicosity. Under Boris Yeltsin, Russia was looted and dozens of oligarchs entered the stage. Putin mostly ended the rip-off and put Russia back on its feet, for which Washington never forgave him. Our neo-cons and liberal interventionists still harbor dreams of ruling the world, and Putin stands in their way. Capitalist expansion and missionary politics still require that he be defeated. Looks to me like Putin is smarter than anyone in Washington; certainly less obsessed. He proposes a world where many countries have their place; Washington will not be satisfied until all acknowledge its exceptional rulership. Per Fagereng From: Ashley Smith via ufpj-activist Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 6:22 AM To: ufpj-activist Subject: [ufpj-activist] Stephen Shalom » Russia and the Left https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/russia-and-the-left/ Russia and the Left What explains the enthusiasm in certain quarters of the left for Vladimir Putin and Russia? Why do some cheer on Russian bombing in Syria, dismissing out of hand the evidence from Physicians for Human Rights, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch1 that they are criminally targeting hospitals? Why do some try to justify Russia’s takeover of Crimea or its blatant intervention in Ukraine? Apologetics for Moscow, of course, has a long and ignoble history on the left. There is no excuse for this betrayal of left values, but we can at least understand some of the reasons that people held these wrongheaded views. In the past, many Americans who were committed to progressive causes — especially civil rights and labor rights — joined the Communist Party because it was an organization actively and powerfully engaged in these struggles. They were aware that CP membership required following the Soviet line on foreign policy questions, but many joined despite this, not because of it. Now in fact even their contribution to the civil rights and labor movements was compromised to some degree by their allegiance to a hierarchical party that was subservient to Moscow’s foreign policy. (How many honest radicals became alienated from the left because of the CP defense of the Moscow Trials or the Hitler-Stalin Pact? How much harm was done to the left by the CP supporting the trial and conviction of Trotskyists under the Smith Act in World War II?) Still, we can understand why many CPers believed that their participation was furthering the cause of social justice at home, and, hence, why they gave the Soviet Union a pass. Another reason for leftists to be soft on the Soviet Union was that internationally it was generally on the side of the great anti-colonial struggles of the day. Its economic and military aid and its diplomatic support helped many Third World nations break from Western colonial or neocolonial rule. Now this was never as consistent or as selfless as Moscow’s acolytes suggested. Soviet opposition to the Eritrean liberation struggle, for example, was horrendous, and as early as 1921 the new Soviet state sold out communist militants in Turkey in order to maintain its relationship with Mustafa Kemal. Moreover, national liberation that was supported with Stasi agents setting up a security apparatus was hardly very liberating. Likewise, Soviet support to the Republic during the Spanish Civil War was such that even if Franco had been defeated, Spanish democracy was unlikely to survive. In addition, it should be noted that great powers often tried to weaken their rivals’ colonial empire without at all being progressive — think of the German Kaiser’s aid to Irish rebels. Nevertheless, there is no doubt that the Soviet Union played an important role in hastening the end of colonialism, and so we can understand why many leftists were enamored of it. Soviet prestige was also enhanced by its role in the defeat of Nazi Germany (though this followed its pact with Nazi Germany). A third reason that some leftists wrongly but understandably championed the Soviet Union is that the country was committed, rhetorically at least, to socialism. Principled socialists differ in their assessment of when the Soviet Union became a repressive state — I would date it from the crushing of the Workers’ Opposition and Kronstadt — but there is no doubt that by the mid-1920s there was no democracy in the Soviet Union and, because there can be no socialism without democracy, nor was there socialism. Beyond their rhetorical socialism, members of the Soviet bloc proclaimed their allegiance to social justice, and to some extent this was not all just words. Because social justice, like socialism, has to include democratic rights, the Soviet Union and other members of its camp were crucially deficient in social justice. But they did tend to have greater social and economic egalitarianism and more developed social welfare policies than many Western states. These accomplishments had the unfortunate effect of erroneously suggesting that we face a trade-off: we can have either economic justice or democracy, but not both. It is true that a resident of Brazil’s favelas might choose Cuba’s heath care over her own country’s formal democracy. But Costa Rica, no paragon of socialist enlightenment, offers both democracy and a life expectancy equal to that of Cuba’s. Still, to many leftists the fact that the “communist” countries, led by the Soviet Union, declared themselves to be pursuing socialism made it easier to overlook their misdeeds. The question is, why do many leftists today close their eyes to Russian crimes given that each one of these lame but understandable reasons for Soviet apologetics no longer applies?. Where the Soviet Union generally backed parties around the world and in the United States that were on the left, at the moment Moscow seems to be much more supportive of far right parties than of left ones.2 In the United States, Putin’s backing of Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton was clear, whether or not it is confirmed that Russia hacked emails with the intention of helping the Republican candidate. So left apologists for Putin are not turning a blind eye to the crimes of a regime that at least is promoting the U.S. civil rights movement. No, their blind eye is to the crimes of a regime that favors the candidate who will preside over one of the most rightwing governments in U.S. history. Where the Soviet Union generally stood against colonialism, in this post-colonial age Putin’s Russia is now one of the leading powers seeking to acquire or hold on to territory by force: Chechnya, South Ossetia, Eastern Ukraine, Crimea (the latter annexation condemned by a vote of 100-11 in the General Assembly, with 58 abstentions). Some leftists like to claim that Russia, Syria, Iran, and Hezbollah constitute an “axis of resistance” that has heroically been challenging U.S. and Israeli imperialism. This account ignores the fact that in the 1970s Hafez al-Assad intervened in Lebanon against Palestinians and the Lebanese left, and more recently Bashar al-Assad partnered with Washington in torturing prisoners.3 Today, hundreds of Palestinians languish in Bashar’s torture chambers.4 If this is an axis of resistance, we might consider adding the European far right parties that have been supporting Assad.5 Indeed, given that Moscow has been a substantial purchaser of Israeli military drones6 and a leading supplier of its oil and has coordinated its bombing in Syria with Israel,7 perhaps Israel too should be considered a member of the axis of resistance? After all, Israel did absent itself from the UN resolution condemning the annexation of Crimea.8 And where the Soviet Union could boast some progressive social policies, these are things of the past. Putin has explicitly adopted a rightwing ideology, drawing on émigré and even fascist philosophers.9 Putin’s party, United Russia, with three-quarters of the seats in the Duma, has officially adopted “Russian Conservatism” as its position. As RT, the Russian-government sponsored news outlet, reported: Having called themselves “conservatives,” the members of United Russia “have simply determined their place” as a right-wing party, political scientist Dmitry Travin said. That means that they are “politicians who defend values of the market economy based on national traditions,” Rosbalt news agency quoted him as saying. At the same time, they “are not staunch defenders of freedom as liberals,” and they are not “followers of egalitarianism as social democrats,” he said.10 In terms of Islamophobia and anti-LGBT repression, Russia makes the United States look like Paradise. Male life expectancy in Russia is six years less than in Brazil and a decade less than in Mexico; its spending on education as a share of GDP is 80 percent that of Mexico and less than three quarters that of Brazil.11 In terms of the size of the public sector, Russian government spending as a percent of GDP is smaller than that of Japan, Greece, the UK, and Spain (and its military spending is a far greater share of its overall government spending than any of these countries).12 Neither in practice nor in inspiration nor even in rhetoric does current-day Russia reflect left values. So why then the left enthusiasm for Russia? For some, no doubt, it’s simply nostalgia. The U.S. Peace Council, a slavish Moscow tool during the Cold War, fondly recalls the Soviet alliance with the Baathist regime in Syria under Hafez al-Assad, and so perhaps it’s a simple move to glorify Russian support today for the successor to the Assad dynasty. (And thus the Peace Council’s awful propaganda trip to Damascus and subsequent participation in Syrian-government sponsored propaganda events.13) But wistful longing for the glory days of the Soviet Union doesn’t explain most left attachment to Russia. Instead it’s the pernicious doctrine of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” that unfortunately has permeated large sectors of the left. A civilian airliner is shot down over the Russian-backed break-away zone of Ukraine, the United States (among others) accuses the Russians of being responsible, and the automatic, reflexive response from some is that this was either a Western false flag operation (an intelligence concoction) or at a minimum a tragedy for which the United States and its allies bear primary responsibility. That Russian propaganda on the matter was so easily refuted merely confirmed for some how devilish the false flag operation really was.14 An aid convoy is bombed in Syria. Washington accuses Russia or Syria of being responsible. Given that Assad had a clear policy of forcing Aleppo to “surrender or starve,”15 Washington’s accusation was certainly plausible, but further evidence left little doubt as to Russian/Syrian responsibility.16 But to some on the left, the fact that the U.S. government said it made it false. Now it is true that any time two imperial states contest for power each is going to try to push a one-sided, jingoistic narrative of the differences between them. Skepticism about the claims of one’s own government is certainly warranted. During the Soviet period, in the United States the official line tried to portray Moscow as wholly responsible for the onset of the Cold War, and as being in the wrong, the aggressor, in every single international dispute. It was and remains important to contest this dominant view. That doesn’t mean, though, that we should have dismissed the tendentious U.S. narrative only to adopt the equally tendentious Soviet counter-narrative — dismissing as Western propaganda such things as the gulag or the secret clauses in the Hitler-Stalin pact or the Katyn massacre or Soviet aggression in Hungary in 1956 or in Afghanistan in 1979-88. It was entirely possible — and right — to reject both the U.S. and the Soviet propaganda lines. The forerunner of the current Campaign for Peace and Democracy (www.cpdweb.org)– the Campaign for Peace and Democracy East and West — famously got Western Central America activists to sign on to a statement condemning Soviet policy in Eastern Europe and got East European dissidents to sign on to a statement condemning U.S. policy in Nicaragua and El Salvador. It’s this sort of rejection of both sides and their lies that ought to be key to any left politics. If Russian hacking interfered in the U.S. election, it is not enough to point out Washington’s sordid record of interfering in foreign elections. The left condemns U.S. interference in foreign elections and we ought to condemn Russian interference as well (and not just in the United States). While some of the attacks on Russian hacking by the Hillary Clinton camp (“Ronald Reagan would be rolling over in his grave”17) do indeed smack of McCarthyism, there’s nothing wrong with the left denouncing Russian crimes. And all the U.S. crimes in the world don’t justify Russian crimes. Nor should U.S. crimes lead us to withhold our criticisms of the crimes of Moscow, any more than Russian crimes would lead us to withhold our criticisms of the crimes of Washington in Iraq, Honduras, and elsewhere. Stephen R. Shalom is a member of the New Politics editorial board. Thanks to Joanne Landy for helpful discussions. 1. Physicians for Human Rights, “Russian Warplanes Strike Medical Facilities in Syria,” Oct. 7, 2015; Amnesty International, “Syrian and Russian forces targeting hospitals as a strategy of war,” March 3, 2016; Human Rights Watch, “Russia/Syria: War Crimes in Month of Bombing Aleppo,” Dec. 1, 2016. See also Medecins Sans Frontieres, “Review of Attack on Al Quds hospital in Aleppo City,” Sept. 2016. 2. Alina Polyakova, “Strange Bedfellows: Putin and Europe’s Far Right,” World Affairs, Sept.-Oct. 2014; Alina Polyakova, “Why Europe Is Right to Fear Putin’s Useful Idiots,” Foreign Policy, Feb. 23, 2016; Anna Nemtsova, “How Vladimir Putin Feeds Europe’s Rabid Right,” The Daily Beast, Oct. 4, 2016; Mike Lofgren, “Trump, Putin, and the Alt-Right International,” The Atlantic, Oct. 31, 2016; Fredrik Wesslau, “Putin’s friends in Europe,” European Council on Foreign Relations, Oct. 19, 2016. This is not to say that there are no left parties close to Moscow. See Péter Krekó and Lóránt Győri, “Don’t ignore the left! Connections between Europe’s radical left and Russia,” Open Democracy, June 13, 2016. 3. David Cole, “Getting Away with Torture,” New York Review of Books, Jan. 14, 2010. 4. Budour Youssef Hassan, “Syria’s disappeared Palestinians,” The Electronic Intifada, Feb. 18, 2015. 5. Wikipedia, Bashar al-Assad. 6. Patrick Hilsman, “Drone deals heighten military ties between Israel and Russia,” Middle East Eye, Oct. 3, 2015. There are reports that Washington has blocked further Israeli drone sales to Moscow. 7. Robert Zapesochny, “An Emerging Alliance: Russia and Israel,” American Spectator, Dec. 15, 2016. 8. Barak Ravid and Jonathan Lis, “Defense Official on Ukraine Policy: Israeli Interests Needn’t Be Identical to U.S.’,” Haaretz, Apr. 13, 2014. 9. Dan La Botz, “In Putin’s Head,” New Politics online, Sept. 25, 2016. 10. Sergey Borisov,“ROAR: United Russia ‘determined itself as a right-wing party,’” RT, Nov. 23, 2009. 12. See UN data here and here. 13. See “Bashar Ja’afari (Syria) and US Peace Council Representatives on Syria – Press Conference,” Aug. 9, 2016. 14. Eliot Higgins, “How the Dutch Safety Board Proved Russia Faked MH17 Evidence,” Bellingcat, Oct. 15, 2015; Eliot Higgins, “The Russian Defence Ministry Presents Evidence They Faked Their Previous MH17 Evidence,” Bellingcat, Sept. 26, 2016; Aric Tole, “The Weird World of MH17 Conspiracy Theories – Part 1,” Bellingcat, Aug. 7, 2015. 15. Middle East Monitor, “UN warns of Syrian regime’s ‘surrender or starve’ policy to regain Aleppo,” Aug. 17, 2016. 16. Eliot Higgins, “Confirmed: Russian Bomb Remains Recovered from Syrian Red Crescent Aid Convoy Attack,” Bellingcat, Sept. 22, 2016; Anne Barnard and Somini Sengupta, “‘From Paradise to Hell’: How an Aid Convoy in Syria Was Blown Apart,” New York Times, Sept. 24, 2016. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ ufpj-activist mailing list Post: ufpj-activist at lists.mayfirst.org List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/ufpj-activist To Unsubscribe Send email to: ufpj-activist-unsubscribe at lists.mayfirst.org Or visit: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/options/ufpj-activist/phantom%40hevanet.com You are subscribed as: phantom at hevanet.com _______________________________________________ ufpj-activist mailing list Post: ufpj-activist at lists.mayfirst.org List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/ufpj-activist To Unsubscribe Send email to: ufpj-activist-unsubscribe at lists.mayfirst.org Or visit: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/options/ufpj-activist/mkb0029%40gmail.com You are subscribed as: mkb0029 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ ufpj-activist mailing list Post: ufpj-activist at lists.mayfirst.org List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/ufpj-activist To Unsubscribe Send email to: ufpj-activist-unsubscribe at lists.mayfirst.org Or visit: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/options/ufpj-activist/karenaram%40hotmail.com You are subscribed as: karenaram at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 13:17:35 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:17:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Discussion related to the Deep State at AWARE's Meeting Sunday Message-ID: I have often referred to the “Council on Foreign Relations” the Think Tank influencing our government, though there are other Think Tanks, and Institutions with equal power. This book review covers the complexity of the influences known now as the “Deep State” which encompasses many of those powers which are not legitimate given they involve not just legitimate Institutions, but multi-national corporate conglomerates, huge financial institutions, and retail empires. Introduction to “the Deep State” The Deep State (available January 5, 2016) An excerpt from the introduction: [THE DEEP STATE HC HIGH RES]Anyone who has spent time on Capitol Hill will occasionally get the feeling when watching debates in the House or Senate chambers that he or she is seeing a kind of marionette theater, with members of Congress reading carefully vetted talking points about prefabricated issues. This impression was particularly strong both in the run-up to the Iraq war and later, during the mock deliberations over funding that ongoing debacle. While the public is now aware of the disproportionate influence of powerful corporations over Washington, best exemplified by the judicial travesty known as the Citizens United decision, few fully appreciate that the United States has in the last several decades gradually undergone a process first identified by Aristotle and later championed by Machiavelli that the journalist Lawrence Peter Garrett described in the 1930s as a “revolution within the form.” Our venerable institutions of government have outwardly remained the same, but they have grown more and more resistant to the popular will as they have become hardwired into a corporate and private influence network with almost unlimited cash to enforce its will. Even as commentators decry a broken government that cannot marshal the money, the will, or the competence to repair our roads and bridges, heal our war veterans, or even roll out a health care website, there is always enough money and will, and maybe just enough competence, to overthrow foreign governments, fight the longest war in U.S. history, and conduct dragnet surveillance over the entire surface of the planet. This paradox of penury and dysfunction on the one hand and unlimited wealth and seeming omnipotence on the other is replicated outside of government as well. By every international metric of health and living standards, the rural countries of southern West Virginia and eastern Kentucky qualify as third world. So do large areas of Detroit, Cleveland, Camden, Gary, and many other American cities. At the same time, wealth beyond computation, almost beyond imagining, piles up in the money center of New York and the technology hub of Palo Alto. It piles up long enough to purchase a $95,000 truffle, a $38 million vintage Ferrari GTO, or a $179 million Picasso before the balance finds its way to an offshore hiding place. These paradoxes, both within the government and within the ostensibly private economy, are related. They are symptoms of a shadow government ruling the United States that pays little heed to the plain words of the Constitution. Its governing philosophy profoundly influences foreign and national security policy and such domestic matters as spending priorities, trade, investment, income inequality, privatization of government services, media presentation of news, and the whole meaning and worth of citizens’ participation in their government. I have come to call this shadow government the Deep State. The term was actually coined in Turkey, and is said to be a system composed of high-level elements within the intelligence services, military, security, judiciary, and organized crime. In John le Carré’s recent novel, A Delicate Truth, a character in the book describes the Deep State as “the ever-expanding circle of non-governmental insiders from banking, industry and commerce who were cleared for highly classified information denied to large swathes of Whitehall and Westminster.” I use the term to mean a hybrid association of key elements of government and parts of top-level finance and industry that is effectively able to govern the United States with only limited reference to the consent of the governed as normally expressed through elections. The Deep State is the big story of our time. It is the red thread that runs through the war on terrorism and the militarization of foreign policy, the financialization and deindustrialization of the American economy, the rise of a plutocratic social structure that has given us the most unequal society in almost a century, and the political dysfunction that has paralyzed day-to-day governance. Edward Snowden’s June 2013 exposure of the pervasiveness of the National Security Agency’s surveillance has partially awakened a Congress that was asleep at the switch and ignited a national debate about who is really in charge of our government. At the same time, a few politicians, most notably Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, are beginning to argue that the American economy is rigged. But these isolated cases have not provided a framework for understanding the extent of the shadow government, how it arose, the interactions of its various parts, and the extent to which it influences and controls the leaders whom we think we choose in elections. This book, based in large part on my experiences and observations while in public service, aims to provide that framework. My reflection on our shadow system of government has come only after my retirement in 2011 and my physical withdrawal from Washington, D.C. proper and the institutions located there. Unlike the vast majority of Capitol Hill strivers who leave the place for greener pastures, I had no desire to join a lobbying shop, trade association, think tank, or consultancy. But I did have a need to see the events I had witnessed in perspective, and I came to realize that the nation’s capital, where I lived and worked for more than half my lifetime, has its own peculiar ecology. To look upon Washington once again with fresh eyes, I sometimes feel as Darwin must have when he first set foot on the Galapagos Islands. From the Pentagon to K Street, and from the contractor cube farms in Crystal City to the public policy foundations along Massachusetts Avenue, the terrain and its people are exotic and well worth examining in a scientific manner. The official United States government has its capital there, and so does our state within a state. To describe them in the language of physics, they coexist in the same way it is possible for two subatomic particles to coexist in an entangled quantum state. The characteristics of each particle, or each governmental structure, cannot fully be described independently; instead, we must find a way to describe the system as a whole.” -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 21:11:04 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:11:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: What you're seeing in Aleppo is propaganda, by Patrick Cockburn References: Message-ID: See the link below which explains why any original anti-Assad Syrian rebels, are likely dead or exiles. What we're seeing in Aleppo is propaganda. By Patrick Cockburn. I thought you'd like this: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/aleppo-crisis-syrian-war-bashar-al-assad-isis-more-propaganda-than-news-a7479901.html What you're seeing in Aleppo is propaganda It has just become more dangerous to be a foreign correspondent reporting on the civil war in Syria. This is because the jihadis holding power in east Aleppo were able to exclude Western journalists, who would be abducted and very likely killed if they went there, and replace them as news sources with highly partisan “local activists” who cannot escape being under jihadi control. To unsubscribe click here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 11 22:34:36 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:34:36 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?FW=3A_World_in_Focus=3A_Sputnik?= =?windows-1252?q?=92s_Daily_Current_Affairs_Program_=7C_11/01/17?= Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 4:32 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: World in Focus: Sputnik’s Daily Current Affairs Program | 11/01/17 Details of the events leading up to the March 2003 Anglo-American invasion of Iraq have been given by a former CIA analyst who was personally involved with the questioning of Saddam Hussein. We take a closer look at his comments, and ask international jurist Francis Boyle, who led the Kuala Lumpur war crimes trial against Bush and Blair, about the lead up to the invasion. Shared from sputniknews.com World in Focus: Sputnik’s Daily Current Affairs Program | 11/01/17 https://sputniknews.com/radio_world_in_focus/201701111049497948-barack-obama-lebanon-aoun-bahrain-british-forces/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 11 23:55:09 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 23:55:09 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?World_in_Focus=3A_Sputnik=92s_Da?= =?windows-1252?q?ily_Current_Affairs_Program_=7C_11/01/17?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I advise skipping to #50. to hear Prof. Boyle, it’s worthwhile. Some before that in relation to the British arming the Bahraini’s, a little on Lebanon of interest. However I found, Prof. Reich, of Rutgers, analysis of the outgoing Obama Administration legacy absolutely appalling, and suggest skipping it. On Jan 11, 2017, at 14:34, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 4:32 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: World in Focus: Sputnik’s Daily Current Affairs Program | 11/01/17 Details of the events leading up to the March 2003 Anglo-American invasion of Iraq have been given by a former CIA analyst who was personally involved with the questioning of Saddam Hussein. We take a closer look at his comments, and ask international jurist Francis Boyle, who led the Kuala Lumpur war crimes trial against Bush and Blair, about the lead up to the invasion. Shared from sputniknews.com World in Focus: Sputnik’s Daily Current Affairs Program | 11/01/17 https://sputniknews.com/radio_world_in_focus/201701111049497948-barack-obama-lebanon-aoun-bahrain-british-forces/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: fab [mailto:wordpress at countercurrents.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:13 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Subject: [Shared Post] Obama Is A Disaster! fab (fboyle at illinois.edu) thinks you may be interested in the following post: Obama Is A Disaster! http://www.countercurrents.org/2017/01/11/obama-is-a-disaster/ From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jan 12 12:28:32 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:28:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: First Stand for Real Health Care Reform Sunday Jan 15 References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: From: Debra Schrishuhn > Subject: First Stand for Real Health Care Reform Sunday Jan 15 Date: January 12, 2017 at 03:36:15 PST Weather permitting, Central IL PDA will assemble outside the Champaign Public Library on Sunday Jan 15 at 12:50 (library opens at 1) to rally against repealing the ACA until and unless it is replaced by Medicare For All. We will have a banner, signs, and flyers to distribute. Please help show your support for real health care reform on Sunday and join us at the library! Also, keep calling Rep. Rodney Davis at 403-4690 to express your opinion on the proposed repeal/delay/make Americans die again health care plans afoot in Congress. See you there! Deb -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Thu Jan 12 14:35:16 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 08:35:16 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?iso-8859-1?q?Obama=27s_farewell_address=3A_One_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?last_round_of_clich=E9s_and_lies?= Message-ID: <00bd01d26ce1$18eb9760$4ac2c620$@comcast.net> Obama’s farewell address: One last round of clichés and lies By Niles Niemuth 11 January 2017 President Barack Obama capped his eight years in office with a vacuous and hypocritical farewell address Tuesday night delivered at the McCormick Place convention center in downtown Chicago. The first-ever presidential farewell address delivered outside of Washington, DC had the atmospherics of an overblown, cheap spectacle. Obama strode onto the stage like a rock star, flanked by oversized American flags, a massive illuminated presidential seal and an introductory soundtrack by the rock band U2. As with every address Obama has delivered over the last eight years, his speech in Chicago was full of clichés, his rhetoric padded with empty phrases and delivered with a false gravitas, signaled by his trademark pursed lips and affected whisper. The speech was rife with contradictions, the starkest being the juxtaposition of Obama’s boasting of the great social progress achieved by his administration and his warning of threats to American democracy arising from ever-growing social inequality and economic insecurity. The president declared: “If I had told you eight years ago that America would reverse a great recession, reboot our auto industry, and unleash the longest stretch of job creation in our history if I had told you that we would open up a new chapter with the Cuban people, shut down Iran’s nuclear weapons program without firing a shot, and take out the mastermind of 9/11 if I had told you that we would win marriage equality, and secure the right to health insurance for another 20 million of our fellow citizens—you might have said our sights were set a little too high. “By almost every measure, America is a better, stronger place than it was when we started.” He made no attempt to explain why, given this impressive record of social progress and foreign policy success, his party was routed in the elections and the billionaire demagogue Donald Trump was preparing to succeed him in the White House. A basic component of the answer, of course, is the grotesquely false rendering of his record and the state of American society as he leaves office. Hardly a week goes by without a new report on signs of extreme social crisis or ever-more obscene levels of wealth among the financial elite. Just in the past month, studies have been published showing the first decline in US life expectancy in 23 years, plunging pay for young adults, a 72 percent surge in deaths from synthetic opioids, and home ownership rates at historic lows for young people. Other surveys have documented a $237 billion increase in the wealth of the world’s richest 200 billionaires, driven largely by the US stock market boom under Obama, and an acceleration of the transfer of wealth from the bottom half of the US population to the top one percent. In boasting of presiding over a record number of consecutive monthly job increases, Obama neglected to mention that 94 percent of the new jobs created in the last eight years have been either part-time or temporary. Noticeably absent from Obama’s remarks was any mention of the social conditions in the city where he was speaking, which is ravaged by high levels of poverty and unemployment, an epidemic of police killings and violence, and a skyrocketing homicide rate. He lamented in general terms the growth of social inequality and the dangers it poses to American democracy—that is, the threat of a social explosion in the United States. “While the top one percent has amassed a bigger share of wealth and income, too many families, in inner cities and rural counties, have been left behind—the laid-off factory worker; the waitress and health care worker who struggle to pay the bills—convinced that the game is fixed against them, that their government only serves the interests of the powerful—a recipe for more cynicism and polarization in our politics.” As always, he spoke as if none of these social ills had anything to do with the policies pursued by his administration, including severe cuts in social spending on the one side and the bailout of the banks and flooding of money into the stock market on the other. Another piece of monumental hypocrisy was Obama’s pose of fighting to defend democracy when he has done more to destroy it than perhaps any other US president. “Democracy can buckle when we give in to fear,” he declared. “So just as we, as citizens, must remain vigilant against external aggression, we must guard against a weakening of the values that make us who we are. That’s why, for the past eight years, I’ve worked to put the fight against terrorism on a firm legal footing. That’s why we’ve ended torture, worked to close Gitmo, and reform our laws governing surveillance to protect privacy and civil liberties.” This is from a president who has personally authorized the assassination of American citizens and thousands of others around the world with drones-fired missiles, protected and promoted those in the CIA responsible for torture, kept the prison at Guantanamo Bay open, persecuted journalists and jailed whistleblowers, militarized the police, and expanded the illegal surveillance of electronic communications. Obama also used his farewell address take parting shots at Russia and China, lumping the war against ISIS with efforts to counter both countries, and arguing that aggressive action against the world’s second- and third-largest nuclear-armed powers was the only way to avoid war. “[T]he fight against extremism and intolerance and sectarianism are of a piece with the fight against authoritarianism and nationalist aggression,” he said. “If the scope of freedom and respect for the rule of law shrinks around the world, the likelihood of war within and between nations increases, and our own freedoms will eventually be threatened.” Obama spent his eight years in office waging war abroad and war on the working class at home. With Tuesday’s speech, he passed the reins to Trump with a shrug. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jan 12 14:46:07 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 14:46:07 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Stopping War with Russia! In-Reply-To: <2073819827.2192525.1483744733975@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2073819827.2192525.1483744733975@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Let me repeat again today: Almost every time we have seen such massive warmongering against a country, it has been followed by war-- going back to Tonkin Gulf in 1964. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Green [mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:19 PM To: Boyle, Francis A ; Karen Aram Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Re: Stopping War with Russia! Let's be sure to eliminate "peace" from peace-discuss list, like I just did for this message. DG On Friday, January 6, 2017 4:03 PM, "Boyle, Francis A" > wrote: And damn this Nazi Law Faculty for bringing in Obama’s Killer Koh to get Their Killer Clinton elected President ten days later! As I said at our Rally here on October 28, if War Breaks out with Russia we must hold them all accountable as Accessories Before The Fact. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:50 PM To: 'Karen Aram' > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green >; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: Stopping War with Russia! Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he believes he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:32 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green >; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: Re: Stopping War with Russia! Many of us fear you are absolutely correct. Which is why we must be ever vigilant in respect to what the Obama Administration is doing now, and in the next couple of weeks. Especially In respect to Russia and Syria. Russia is withdrawing many of it’s military from Syria, on the assumption that all is well. There are those who do not believe the war in Syria is over. The US is, relentless in pursuit of control. On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:37, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:28 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: Stopping War with Russia! I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. And Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since his student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he broke up the Soviet Union for Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan—Al Qada. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. He is going for broke. They must be stopped. Hence all the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today. It is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jan 12 16:22:47 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:22:47 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Stopping War with Russia! In-Reply-To: References: <2073819827.2192525.1483744733975@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: By comparison, during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, Kennedy deliberately did his best to keep the warmongering against the Soviet Union/Russia under control. That is precisely why this situation is so dangerous. Fab The Kennedy Kool Aid NPR reports Maliki is not going but resisting. Shades of the Diem Brothers under Kennedy When I was a young boy I used to drink the Kennedy Kool Aid But not after the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 I thought Kennedy was insane Risking World War III I never drank the Obama Kool Aid So many still do When Obama risks WW3 Stoly on the Rocks in Ukraine? Or Arak hot in Iraq? Maybe Saki in the South China Sea? Anything could set this off Shades of Sarajevo 1914 Sarajevska Pivara in Srebrenica? Been there too. And Dachau and Stalingrad Which will it be? Contemplating World War III Yet again. Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:46 AM To: David Green ; Karen Aram Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Stopping War with Russia! Let me repeat again today: Almost every time we have seen such massive warmongering against a country, it has been followed by war-- going back to Tonkin Gulf in 1964. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Green [mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:19 PM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Karen Aram > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: Re: Stopping War with Russia! Let's be sure to eliminate "peace" from peace-discuss list, like I just did for this message. DG On Friday, January 6, 2017 4:03 PM, "Boyle, Francis A" > wrote: And damn this Nazi Law Faculty for bringing in Obama’s Killer Koh to get Their Killer Clinton elected President ten days later! As I said at our Rally here on October 28, if War Breaks out with Russia we must hold them all accountable as Accessories Before The Fact. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:50 PM To: 'Karen Aram' > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green >; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: Stopping War with Russia! Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he believes he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:32 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green >; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: Re: Stopping War with Russia! Many of us fear you are absolutely correct. Which is why we must be ever vigilant in respect to what the Obama Administration is doing now, and in the next couple of weeks. Especially In respect to Russia and Syria. Russia is withdrawing many of it’s military from Syria, on the assumption that all is well. There are those who do not believe the war in Syria is over. The US is, relentless in pursuit of control. On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:37, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:28 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: Stopping War with Russia! I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. And Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since his student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he broke up the Soviet Union for Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan—Al Qada. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. He is going for broke. They must be stopped. Hence all the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today. It is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jan 12 16:30:30 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:30:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Stopping War with Russia! In-Reply-To: References: <2073819827.2192525.1483744733975@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In addition, Kennedy did his best to keep the warmongers against the Soviet Union/Russia in his Administration under control. By comparison, Obama is stoking and fueling his warmongers against Russia. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:23 AM To: David Green ; Karen Aram Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Joe Lauria Subject: RE: Stopping War with Russia! By comparison, during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962, Kennedy deliberately did his best to keep the warmongering against the Soviet Union/Russia under control. That is precisely why this situation is so dangerous. Fab The Kennedy Kool Aid NPR reports Maliki is not going but resisting. Shades of the Diem Brothers under Kennedy When I was a young boy I used to drink the Kennedy Kool Aid But not after the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962 I thought Kennedy was insane Risking World War III I never drank the Obama Kool Aid So many still do When Obama risks WW3 Stoly on the Rocks in Ukraine? Or Arak hot in Iraq? Maybe Saki in the South China Sea? Anything could set this off Shades of Sarajevo 1914 Sarajevska Pivara in Srebrenica? Been there too. And Dachau and Stalingrad Which will it be? Contemplating World War III Yet again. Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:46 AM To: David Green >; Karen Aram > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: Stopping War with Russia! Let me repeat again today: Almost every time we have seen such massive warmongering against a country, it has been followed by war-- going back to Tonkin Gulf in 1964. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Green [mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:19 PM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Karen Aram > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: Re: Stopping War with Russia! Let's be sure to eliminate "peace" from peace-discuss list, like I just did for this message. DG On Friday, January 6, 2017 4:03 PM, "Boyle, Francis A" > wrote: And damn this Nazi Law Faculty for bringing in Obama’s Killer Koh to get Their Killer Clinton elected President ten days later! As I said at our Rally here on October 28, if War Breaks out with Russia we must hold them all accountable as Accessories Before The Fact. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:50 PM To: 'Karen Aram' > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green >; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: Stopping War with Russia! Obama just provided manpads to his terrorist jihadis in Syria to be used against Russian planes. And now anti-Russian warmongering 24-7 over this new Report that I am currently reading. And Obama has promised covert retaliation once he gets this Report, which he got yesterday. NATO heavy weapons are being moved to all around Russian borders. They just put US Special Forces into Lithuania. Etc. Zbig/Obama have 2 weeks to set off something here with Russia. Zbig will go for broke. This is his last shot against Russia and the Russians. He will take it. But don’t just take my word for it. The 24/7 Warmongering by the Obama administration, Congress and the MSMS are just like it was before Bush Jr invaded Iraq in 2003. They are all clearly preparing public opinion for some type of attack/conflict/confrontation with Russia. People are free to circulate/publish my Comment below if you wish. Fab. From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 11:18 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: To The Editor/For Publication Importance: High I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. I also went through the exact same Soviet/Russian Studies Program at Harvard that produced Brzezinski before me, and passed my PHD Oral/General Examinations in Soviet Politics and Russian History under Adam Ulam and Ned Keenan, respectively. R.I.P. Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since Obama’s student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House and the Obama administration with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he believes he broke up the Soviet Union for President Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan by means of Al Qaeda. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. Zbig is going for broke! All the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today 24/7 is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before President Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JD magna cum laude; AM and PHD in Political Science; Associate, Center for International Affairs (on its Executive Committee for one year); Teaching Fellow. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 3:32 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; peace >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; David Green >; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: Re: Stopping War with Russia! Many of us fear you are absolutely correct. Which is why we must be ever vigilant in respect to what the Obama Administration is doing now, and in the next couple of weeks. Especially In respect to Russia and Syria. Russia is withdrawing many of it’s military from Syria, on the assumption that all is well. There are those who do not believe the war in Syria is over. The US is, relentless in pursuit of control. On Jan 6, 2017, at 04:37, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 5:28 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: Stopping War with Russia! I graduated from the exact same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Kissinger and Brzezinski before me. They gave me Kissinger’s old office at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs. And Obama was behind me at Harvard Law School. Brzezinski has been Obama’s mentor and foreign policy guru since his student days at Columbia. Zbig ran Obama’s 2008 campaign on foreign affairs and defense, and stacked the White House with his protégés. It is the Brzezinski Policy that we are now seeing culminate against Russia. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and the Russians with a passion. He wants to see them broken up into pieces just like he broke up the Soviet Union for Carter by launching their jihadi terrorists war against them in Afghanistan—Al Qada. This is Zbig’s last two weeks to start a war with Russia. He is going for broke. They must be stopped. Hence all the anti-Russian warmongering we are seeing everywhere today. It is just as bad as the anti-Iraq warmongering before Bush Jr. invaded Iraq in 2003. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 03:22:37 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:22:37 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs In-Reply-To: <30026525.21061.1484276726672@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <30026525.21061.1484276726672@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: rowleyclan at earthlink.net [mailto:rowleyclan at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:05 PM To: Tackling Torture Committee ; grassroots-torture-accountability at googlegroups.com Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; Raymond L McGovern Subject: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs Tackling Torture at the Top! 1 min · Video below of Law professor Francis Boyle and others protesting Hillary Clinton's (and Obama's) drone assassination legalizer Harold Koh. (As a side point the Champaign-Urbana Law School Dean Amar who apparently invited Harold Koh, who Boyle calls "Killer Koh," is the brother of the Yale Law School Professor Akhil Amar who was torture legalizer John Yoo's advisor and mentor at Yale and who was skyped in to speak on Oct 7, 2010, at St Thomas Law School's all-day promotion of "War Presidency Powers" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/coleen-rowley/presidential-powers-prude_1_b_749168.html. If you remember that all day St. Thomas law conference which our "Tackling Torture Committee" protested both outside and inside, was led by John Yoo and his close associate Robert Delahunty, both OLC co-authors of the various memos after 9-11 instituting martial law, legalizing warrantless surveillance and torture, etc. US law schools and the warmonger lawyers they are churning out are, however, reaping what they sow as their graduates now cannot find jobs. This in turn makes the law schools lower their standards even further and lie about their success. Many law school deans and faculty then end up in trouble. So although it's uneven, indirect and frustratingly slow, illegal wars and war crimes blow back on their legalizers and promoters. [https://external-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBqa1r648FtqQr2&w=158&h=158&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FSXDXZHYCYKc%2Fhqdefault.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=76&sy=0&sw=360&sh=360&_nc_hash=AQBzb3dWXVA_2uwt] Protesting Harold Koh, Local activists gather to protest Harold Koh who is speaking at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Coleen Rowley "Power is always dangerous. Power attracts the worst and corrupts the best." --Edward Abbey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Francis Boyle via YouTube [mailto:noreply at youtube.com] Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 2:43 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Francis Boyle sent you a video: "Protesting Harold Koh" [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-w4phvYGWivc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/_Vq2X19VNEk/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Francis Boyle has shared a video with you on YouTube [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SXDXZHYCYKc/mqdefault.jpg] Protesting Harold Koh by UPTV6 Local activists gather to protest Harold Koh who is speaking at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Help center • Report spam ©2016 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 03:26:55 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:26:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs In-Reply-To: References: <30026525.21061.1484276726672@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: If I remember correctly, Delahunty was a CIA Torture Lawyer hired at St Thomas Law School by the Former Dean of the Illinois Nazis Law School who then became Dean there: Tommie Boy Mengele. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:23 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: FW: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: rowleyclan at earthlink.net [mailto:rowleyclan at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:05 PM To: Tackling Torture Committee >; grassroots-torture-accountability at googlegroups.com Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Raymond L McGovern > Subject: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs Tackling Torture at the Top! 1 min · Video below of Law professor Francis Boyle and others protesting Hillary Clinton's (and Obama's) drone assassination legalizer Harold Koh. (As a side point the Champaign-Urbana Law School Dean Amar who apparently invited Harold Koh, who Boyle calls "Killer Koh," is the brother of the Yale Law School Professor Akhil Amar who was torture legalizer John Yoo's advisor and mentor at Yale and who was skyped in to speak on Oct 7, 2010, at St Thomas Law School's all-day promotion of "War Presidency Powers" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/coleen-rowley/presidential-powers-prude_1_b_749168.html. If you remember that all day St. Thomas law conference which our "Tackling Torture Committee" protested both outside and inside, was led by John Yoo and his close associate Robert Delahunty, both OLC co-authors of the various memos after 9-11 instituting martial law, legalizing warrantless surveillance and torture, etc. US law schools and the warmonger lawyers they are churning out are, however, reaping what they sow as their graduates now cannot find jobs. This in turn makes the law schools lower their standards even further and lie about their success. Many law school deans and faculty then end up in trouble. So although it's uneven, indirect and frustratingly slow, illegal wars and war crimes blow back on their legalizers and promoters. [https://external-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBqa1r648FtqQr2&w=158&h=158&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FSXDXZHYCYKc%2Fhqdefault.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=76&sy=0&sw=360&sh=360&_nc_hash=AQBzb3dWXVA_2uwt] Protesting Harold Koh, Local activists gather to protest Harold Koh who is speaking at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Coleen Rowley "Power is always dangerous. Power attracts the worst and corrupts the best." --Edward Abbey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But Obama & the neocons want to test & pressure Trump. > On Jan 12, 2017, at 9:39 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > There will be consequences for bombing airport near Damascus. > > Sent on my Virgin Mobile Phone. > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 03:50:10 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:50:10 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs In-Reply-To: References: <30026525.21061.1484276726672@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I was also told by a Friend who graduated from Yale Law and was a student of Killer Koh and is now a Law Professor in his own right that Killer Koh is very proud of the fact that Bush Jr. Torture Lawyer John Yoo is his student and protégé. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:27 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: RE: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs If I remember correctly, Delahunty was a CIA Torture Lawyer hired at St Thomas Law School by the Former Dean of the Illinois Nazis Law School who then became Dean there: Tommie Boy Mengele. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:23 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Joe Lauria >; David Green >; Karen Aram > Subject: FW: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: rowleyclan at earthlink.net [mailto:rowleyclan at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:05 PM To: Tackling Torture Committee >; grassroots-torture-accountability at googlegroups.com Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Raymond L McGovern > Subject: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs Tackling Torture at the Top! 1 min · Video below of Law professor Francis Boyle and others protesting Hillary Clinton's (and Obama's) drone assassination legalizer Harold Koh. (As a side point the Champaign-Urbana Law School Dean Amar who apparently invited Harold Koh, who Boyle calls "Killer Koh," is the brother of the Yale Law School Professor Akhil Amar who was torture legalizer John Yoo's advisor and mentor at Yale and who was skyped in to speak on Oct 7, 2010, at St Thomas Law School's all-day promotion of "War Presidency Powers" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/coleen-rowley/presidential-powers-prude_1_b_749168.html. If you remember that all day St. Thomas law conference which our "Tackling Torture Committee" protested both outside and inside, was led by John Yoo and his close associate Robert Delahunty, both OLC co-authors of the various memos after 9-11 instituting martial law, legalizing warrantless surveillance and torture, etc. US law schools and the warmonger lawyers they are churning out are, however, reaping what they sow as their graduates now cannot find jobs. This in turn makes the law schools lower their standards even further and lie about their success. Many law school deans and faculty then end up in trouble. So although it's uneven, indirect and frustratingly slow, illegal wars and war crimes blow back on their legalizers and promoters. [https://external-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBqa1r648FtqQr2&w=158&h=158&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FSXDXZHYCYKc%2Fhqdefault.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=76&sy=0&sw=360&sh=360&_nc_hash=AQBzb3dWXVA_2uwt] Protesting Harold Koh, Local activists gather to protest Harold Koh who is speaking at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Coleen Rowley "Power is always dangerous. Power attracts the worst and corrupts the best." --Edward Abbey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 03:59:58 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 03:59:58 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs In-Reply-To: References: <30026525.21061.1484276726672@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Of course none of this made the least bit of difference to the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty when I told them all about Killer Koh in the summer of 2015. Indeed, everything I told the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty about Killer Koh during the summer of 2015 only strengthened their determination to bring him out here on October 28, 2016 in order to get Clinton elected president ten days later on Nov. 8, 2016. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:50 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: RE: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs I was also told by a Friend who graduated from Yale Law and was a student of Killer Koh and is now a Law Professor in his own right that Killer Koh is very proud of the fact that Bush Jr. Torture Lawyer John Yoo is his student and protégé. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:27 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Joe Lauria >; David Green >; Karen Aram > Subject: RE: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs If I remember correctly, Delahunty was a CIA Torture Lawyer hired at St Thomas Law School by the Former Dean of the Illinois Nazis Law School who then became Dean there: Tommie Boy Mengele. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:23 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Joe Lauria >; David Green >; Karen Aram > Subject: FW: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: rowleyclan at earthlink.net [mailto:rowleyclan at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:05 PM To: Tackling Torture Committee >; grassroots-torture-accountability at googlegroups.com Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Raymond L McGovern > Subject: Koh, Yoo and the Amar brother law school dean/profs Tackling Torture at the Top! 1 min · Video below of Law professor Francis Boyle and others protesting Hillary Clinton's (and Obama's) drone assassination legalizer Harold Koh. (As a side point the Champaign-Urbana Law School Dean Amar who apparently invited Harold Koh, who Boyle calls "Killer Koh," is the brother of the Yale Law School Professor Akhil Amar who was torture legalizer John Yoo's advisor and mentor at Yale and who was skyped in to speak on Oct 7, 2010, at St Thomas Law School's all-day promotion of "War Presidency Powers" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/coleen-rowley/presidential-powers-prude_1_b_749168.html. If you remember that all day St. Thomas law conference which our "Tackling Torture Committee" protested both outside and inside, was led by John Yoo and his close associate Robert Delahunty, both OLC co-authors of the various memos after 9-11 instituting martial law, legalizing warrantless surveillance and torture, etc. US law schools and the warmonger lawyers they are churning out are, however, reaping what they sow as their graduates now cannot find jobs. This in turn makes the law schools lower their standards even further and lie about their success. Many law school deans and faculty then end up in trouble. So although it's uneven, indirect and frustratingly slow, illegal wars and war crimes blow back on their legalizers and promoters. [https://external-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBqa1r648FtqQr2&w=158&h=158&url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FSXDXZHYCYKc%2Fhqdefault.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=76&sy=0&sw=360&sh=360&_nc_hash=AQBzb3dWXVA_2uwt] Protesting Harold Koh, Local activists gather to protest Harold Koh who is speaking at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Coleen Rowley "Power is always dangerous. Power attracts the worst and corrupts the best." --Edward Abbey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 10:05:40 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 10:05:40 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Harvard Law School Dean Search References: <67a64630-7ab6-4b27-9080-ae954117c4e4@xtinp2mta1163.xt.local> Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:00 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: FW: Harvard Law School Dean Search OK everyone. Now is your chance to nominate me. I pledge to drain the NeoCon Swamp at Harvard Law School that gave us Obama, Killer Koh, Ann-Marie Slaughtered, Sam Our Problem From Hell Power and the rest of Obama's Harvard Law Mafia described in Charlie Savage's Power Wars. The Nazis had their law schools too. Fab. HEADLINE: Harvard's Gitmo Kangaroo Law School: The School for Torturers BYLINE: Francis A Boyle BODY: Apr. 2, 2010 (Atlantic Free Press delivered by Newstex) -- by Francis A. Boyle Ph.D. Not surprisingly, the January 2007 issue of the American Journal of Imperial Law--otherwise known as the self-styled American Journal of International Law but originally founded a century ago and still operated by U. S. War and State Department legal apparatchiks and their law professorial fellow-travelers-- published an article by Harvard Law School's recently retired Bemis Professor of International Law Detlev Vagts (who only taught me the required course on Legal Accounting) arguing in favor of the Pentagon's Kangaroo Courts System on Guantanamo despite the fact that they have been soundly condemned by every human rights organization and every human rights official and leader in the entire world as well as by the United States Supreme Court itself in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (2006). I am not going to bother to recite here all the grievous deficiencies of the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts under International Law and U.S. Constitutional Law. But suffice it to say that the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts constitute war crimes under the Laws of War, the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and even the U. S. Army's own Field Manual 27-10, The Law of Land Warfare (1956). Field Manual 27-10 was drafted for the Pentagon by my Laws of War teacher Richard R. Baxter, who was generally recognized as the world's leading expert on that subject. That is precisely why I voluntarily chose to study International Law with him and his long-time collaborator Louis B. Sohn, and not with the bean-counter Vagts. For the entire post-World War II generation of international law students at Harvard Law School, Louis Sohn shall always be our real Bemis Professor of International Law and never the False Pretender to that Throne known as Detlev Vagts. Since those student days I have personally appeared pro bono publico in five U.S. military courts-martial proceedings involving warfare that were organized in accordance with the Congress's Uniform Code of Military Justice (U.C.M.J.)--which still does not apply to the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts despite the ruling by the U. S. Supreme Court in Hamdan that the U.C.M.J. should be applied in Guantanamo--on behalf of five U. S. military personnel who each acted as matters of courage, integrity, principle, conscience and at great risk to their own freedom: 1. U. S. Marine Corporal Jeff Paterson, the first U.S. military resister to President Bush Sr.'s genocidal war against Iraq; 2. Army Captain Doctor Yolanda Huet-Vaughn, the highest ranking U. S. commissioned officer to be court-martialed for refusing to participate in President Bush Sr.'s genocidal war against Iraq; 3. Captain Lawrence Rockwood, who was court-martialed by the U. S. Army for trying to stop torture in Haiti after the Clinton administration had illegally invaded that country in 1994; 4. Army Staff Sergeant Camilo Mejia, the first U. S. military resister to be court-martialed for refusing to participate in President Bush Jr.'s war of aggression against Iraq; and 5. Army First Lieutenant Ehren Watada, the first U. S. commissioned officer to be court-martialed for his refusal to participate in President Bush Jr.'s war of aggression against Iraq. As I can attest from my direct personal involvement, each and every one of these five courts-martial under the U.C.M.J. were Stalinist show-trials produced and directed by the Pentagon that predictably and readily degenerated into travesties of justice. These five U.C.M.J. courts-martial involving U.S. warfare each proved correct the old adage attributed to Groucho Marx that military justice is to justice as military music is to music. By comparison, the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts will not even be run in accordance with the U.C.M.J. despite the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Hamdan that they should be. The Marx Brothers are running the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts. Whenever they are up and fully operating the Gitmo Courts will constitute Stalinist Show Trials as well as Kangaroo Courts, and their preliminary proceedings have already proven them to be Travesties of Justice. Even worse yet, fully-functioning Stalinist Gitmo Kangaroo Courts will quickly become conveyor-belts of death for alleged and already tortured terrorist suspects along the lines of the Texas execution chamber operated by George Bush Jr. when he was the "governor" of that state and tortured to death 152 victims by means of lethal injection. Gitmo and/or Gitmo-North in Illinois will become Americas first-ever Nazi-style death camp. But today under the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, executing persons detained as a result of armed conflict without a fair trial before a regularly constituted court constitutes a grave war crime. To be sure, under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution Harvard Law Professor Vagts has the freedom to advocate war crimes so long as he does not participate in their commission, or incite them, or aid and abet them. But precisely where is that line to be drawn for law professors? In this regard, the Harvard Law School Faculty currently has at least five professors who have advocated torture and war crimes: 1. Vagts himself, who supported abusing the then recently captured President of Iraq Saddam Hussein despite his being publicly acknowledged to be a Prisoner of War by the Bush Jr. administration itself and thus absolutely protected by the Third Geneva Convention of 1949 and the Convention against Torture; 2. the infamous Alan Dershowitz, a self-incriminated war criminal in his own right. Dersh publicly acknowledged being a member of a Mossad Committee for approving the murder and assassination of Palestinians, which violates the Geneva Conventions and is thus a grave war crime; 3. the Neo-Con Con Law non-entity known as Richard Parker; 4. Another one of my teachers, Waco Phil Heymann. Previously, Waco Phil had been Deputy to U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco. Reno ordered the Waco Massacre, while Heymann ordered its cover-up and thus earned his well-deserved sobriquet of Waco Phil as an Accessory After The Fact. All those incinerated women and children! 5. The war criminal Jack Goldsmith who while working as a lawyer for the Bush Jr. administration at both the Pentagon and later its Department of In-Justice did much of the legal spade-work designing, justifying and approving the hideous human rights atrocities that the Bush Jr. administration inflicted on everyone after 9/11. Goldsmith and his co-felon accomplice and co-conspirator from the Bush Jr. administration Professor John Yoo--now desecrating Berkeley's Law School where my friend and colleague the late, great Dean Frank Newman had taught Human Rights and International Law--are functionally analogous to Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. Despite my best efforts to prevent it, the Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans hired the war criminal Goldsmith right out of the Bush Jr. administration knowing full well that he was up to his eyeballs in the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts, torture, war crimes, enforced disappearances, murder, kidnapping, and crimes against humanity, at a minimum. And when Goldsmith's proverbial "smoking-gun" Department of In-Justice Memorandum was published by the Washington Post, then Harvard Law School's Dean Elena Kagan contemptuously boasted in response about how "proud" she was to have hired this notorious war criminal. Previously Kagan had also publicly bragged that the future of International Legal Studies at Harvard Law School would be in the "good hands" of their resident war criminal Goldsmith. How perversely and tragically true! The Neo-Conservative Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans deliberately hired this Neo-Nazi legal architect of the Bush Jr. administration's bogus and nefarious "war against terrorism" because they fully support it together with all its essential accouterments of torture, kangaroo courts, war crimes, murder, kidnapping, enforced disappearances, crimes against humanity, and Nuremburg crimes against peace. By contrast, after the terrorist bombing of the Murrah Federal Building by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols in alleged revenge for the Waco Massacre and Cover-up by Janet Reno and Waco Phil Heymann, to the best of my recollection I do not remember that the Neo-Conservative Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans advocated kangaroo courts, torture, war crimes, and racist profiling for America's population of White Judeo-Christian Males. Yet after 9/11 the fundamentally White Racist Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans have no problem with inflicting torture, kangaroo courts, war crimes, and racist profiling upon Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color, which is exactly why they hired the war criminal Goldsmith to teach such criminal practices to their own law students and thus someday turn them into racist U. S. governmental war criminals in their own right. This is because for the most part the Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans have always been viscerally bigoted and racist against Muslims/Arabs/Asians and other People of Color since at least when I first matriculated there in September of 1971. The Harvard Law School (H.L.S.) Faculty and Deans are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. They are a sick joke and a demented fraud. Groucho Marx would have had a field day with them: Harvard is to Law School as Torture is to Law. The Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans torture the Law. Do not send your children or students to Harvard Law School where they will grow up to become racist war criminals! Harvard Law School is a Neo-Con cesspool. As for Harvard Laws Neo-Con Dean Kagan, Harvard Law Graduate President Barack Obama appointed her Solicitor General in his Department of Justice as the third highest ranking official in that department and thus as the proverbial oeTenth Justice for the 9-Justice U.S. Supreme Court. In this capacity Kagan has quarter-backed, supervised, and defended in all U.S. federal courts the Obama administrations continuation of the Bush Jr. administrations hideous atrocities perpetrated against human rights, international law, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. Constitution, and Americas Bill of Rights. As payback for her yeoman Neo-Con efforts, Kagan is now reportedly at the top of a very short list for President Obama to nominate to the U.S. Supreme Court upon the expected retirement of Mr. Justice Stevens, the reputed leader of the Courts oeliberal wing. Of course Stevens widespread denomination as a oeliberal just proves how far to the reactionary right the Supreme Court has moved since Stevens was recommended for the Supremes to President Gerald Ford by the arch-reactionary jurist Edward Hirsh Levi, then U.S. Attorney General and previously Dean of the arch-reactionary University of Chicago Law School where Antonin Scalia, Obama, Kagan, and her pet war criminal Goldsmith would all teach. As President of the entire arch-reactionary University of Chicago itself, Levi drove out about 30% of my undergraduate class that in 1968 had unwittingly entered this Birthplace and Warren for the Neo-Con Movement that was founded there by Chicago Professor Leo Strauss, a protégé of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt. Americas Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. In an interview she recently gave to National Public Radio, Obamas Neo-Con Solicitor General Kagan went out of her way to proclaim: oeI love the Federalist Society! (Emphasis in the original.) The Federalist Society is a gang of lawyers, law professors, and judges who for the most part are right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian. For example, almost all of the Bush Jr. administration lawyers responsible for its war criminal torture scandal were and still are members of the Federalist Society. Likewise, five Justices on the current U.S. Supreme Court were/are members of the Federalist Society: Harvard Law Graduate Roberts; Harvard Law Graduate Scalia; Harvard Law Graduate Kennedy; Yale Law Graduate Thomas; and Yale Law Graduate Alito. Thats what an oeelite legal education will do for you. In any event, H.L.S. President Obamas elevation of the H.L.S. Neo-Con Kagan to the Supremes would cement the Federalist Societys Neo-Con stranglehold over the U.S. Supreme Court for the next generation. As for another publicly touted Supremes candidate, the Neo-Con Cass Sunstein of the University of Chicago Law School and Harvard Law School, who is currently working at the White House as Obamas Disinformation and Infiltration Czar, would be just as lethal as Kagan to the American Constitution and Republic if sitting on the U.S. Supreme Court. Time for the Ordinary People of America to get organized against these Neo-Con legal elites! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Drew Gilpin Faust [mailto:president at harvard.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 2:09 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Harvard Law School Dean Search [Harvard University Office of the President] January 12, 2017 Dear Members of the Harvard Law School Community, In view of Martha Minow's recent announcement of her plans to step down as dean of Harvard Law School at the end of the academic year after eight years of distinguished leadership, I write to launch the search for a new dean-and to invite your advice and counsel. At a time of extraordinary change in our nation and the wider world, Harvard Law School's core commitments-to excellence in legal education and scholarship, to the strengthening of legal systems and the legal profession, and to the advancement of justice for all-matter as much as ever before. There is no law school whose faculty, students, staff, and alumni have greater capacity to fulfill the law's potential to shape our world for the better. Identifying an outstanding new dean to guide that collective effort will be one of my foremost priorities in the months to come. In line with usual Harvard practice, I have invited a group of senior faculty members with varied perspectives and expertise to serve on an advisory committee that will help Provost Alan Garber and me with the search. They are listed at the end of this message. I very much appreciate their willingness to focus on this important task. The advisory committee's work will be central to a wider outreach process to which I hope many of you will contribute. Provost Garber and I will be pursuing avenues to solicit perspectives and insights from the broader faculty, students, staff, alumni, and others within and beyond Harvard. We will particularly appreciate input on the principal opportunities and challenges facing Harvard Law School in the years ahead, on the professional and personal attributes you regard as most important to seek in the next dean, and on particular individuals at Harvard or elsewhere who you believe warrant serious consideration for the deanship. With this in mind, I hope that many of you will take the time to share your thoughts. You may write to me, in confidence, by email to hlsdeansearch at harvard.edu or by letter to Massachusetts Hall. Provost Garber and I will read all such correspondence with care. We rely on it as an essential means not only for identifying promising nominees but also for developing a well-rounded and textured view of the Law School and its future. Many thanks in advance for your thoughts-and warmest wishes for the new year. Sincerely, Drew Faust HLS Dean Search Advisory Committee Gabriella Blum Rita E. 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Trump was not the peace candidate and he is not going to be the "peace" President, if he and his choice for Secretary of Defense ("Mad Dog" Mattis) have anything to say about the issue. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-jim-mcgovern/america-cannot-afford-tru_b_14115350.html Deb Schrishuhn From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 12:12:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:12:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Harvard Law School Dean Search Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:08 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: QED: Harvard Law School Dean Search Jack Goldsmith Notice that Kagan's Pet War Criminal Jack Goldsmith is on their Search Committee. NeoCon Swamp indeed. QED. Fab. Subject: [NYTr] Prof of Intl Law Says Harvard Hired a War Criminal Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Nov 23, 2004 Information Clearing House - Breaking News http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7350.htm Professor of International Law Says Harvard Hired a "War Criminal" By Jason Leopold 11/23/04 "ICH" -- A Harvard University Law School alumni and professor of international law and human rights has started a campaign to boycott the prestigious university he once attended as a result of Harvard's hiring of Assistant Attorney General Jack Goldsmith to join its law school faculty. Goldsmith was identified earlier this year as one of several legal experts who drafted memos for the White House and the Justice Department saying the military could skirt the rules of the Geneva Convention when interrogating Iraqi prisoners. Legal experts have said that word about bypassing the Geneva Convention trickled down the military chain of command and lead to widespread abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Francis Boyle, who teaches at the University Of Illinois College Of Law and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard in 1971, said he was informed by colleagues last spring that Harvard was considering hiring Goldsmith and that he immediately voiced his concerns to Harvard officials. "These (Harvard) professors think they are above the law," Boyle said in an interview. "They refused to tell me why they were hiring Goldsmith, who, many of us in the legal profession believe is a war criminal." Neither Goldsmith nor Harvard law school officials would return numerous calls for comment. Boyle, according to his bio, has written extensively on international law and politics. He has published eight books. His book, Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, has been used successfully in numerous foreign policy protest trials. Boyle is also the lead counsel for Bosnia and Herzegovina in Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) currently pending before the International Court of Justice Goldsmith's March 19, 2004 memo, written for then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, who was tapped a couple of weeks ago to replace John Ashcroft as Attorney General, caused a furor in legal circles because it authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to transfer detainees out of Iraq for interrogation - a practice that international legal specialists say contravenes the Geneva Conventions, according to an Oct. 24 report in the Washington Post. "One intelligence official familiar with the operation said the CIA has used the March draft memo as legal support for secretly transporting as many as a dozen detainees out of Iraq in the last six months. The agency has concealed the detainees from the International Red Cross and other authorities, the official said," the Post reported. Moreover, Goldsmith personally presented Gonzales, the White House counsel, with a "series of arguments that they claimed could be marshaled as defenses against U.S. torture statutes and the United Nations Convention Against Torture (CAT), which has been ratified by the United States," reported Inter Press Service last month. The full extent to which Goldsmith advised the White House to ignore the Geneva Convention may be revealed during Gonzales's Senate confirmation hearing in January. Boyle, a former teaching fellow at Harvard and a former associate at its Center for International Affairs, became so incensed with his alma mater's hiring of Goldsmith in June that he immediately launched an email campaign to boycott Harvard and said he plans to ask other alumni to withhold funds from the University, which is in the midst of a $400 million fundraising campaign. "The Harvard Law School Faculty knew full well the nefarious activities that Goldsmith had performed at the Department of Justice and the Pentagon before they voted to hire him. Obviously, the Harvard Law School Faculty wanted a war criminal to join their ranks. For this reason, the Harvard Law School Faculty is not fit to educate students. I would strongly recommend that you discourage students from attending the Harvard Law School for any reason," states one of a dozen or so emails Boyle has distributed to colleagues, students and Harvard faculty. Boyle said he is asking colleagues and other alumni to "ding" Harvard law school in the national rankings and "drive their rankings down overall and by each specialty." "We need to drive home to the Harvard Law School Faculty that this behavior is completely unacceptable to their colleagues in the legal teaching profession," Boyle said. "The Harvard Law School Faculty is not above the Law. Therefore, I recommend that we respond to each and every peer survey we get and rank the Harvard Law School last." It's unknown whether Boyle's actions have had a material impact on Harvard. * Search the NYTr Archives at: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ To subscribe or unsubscribe or change your settings via the web, visit: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================= NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us 339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org e-mail: nyt at blythe.org =================================== Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:00 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: FW: Harvard Law School Dean Search OK everyone. Now is your chance to nominate me. I pledge to drain the NeoCon Swamp at Harvard Law School that gave us Obama, Killer Koh, Ann-Marie Slaughtered, Sam Our Problem From Hell Power and the rest of Obama's Harvard Law Mafia described in Charlie Savage's Power Wars. The Nazis had their law schools too. Fab. HEADLINE: Harvard's Gitmo Kangaroo Law School: The School for Torturers BYLINE: Francis A Boyle BODY: Apr. 2, 2010 (Atlantic Free Press delivered by Newstex) -- by Francis A. Boyle Ph.D. Not surprisingly, the January 2007 issue of the American Journal of Imperial Law--otherwise known as the self-styled American Journal of International Law but originally founded a century ago and still operated by U. S. War and State Department legal apparatchiks and their law professorial fellow-travelers-- published an article by Harvard Law School's recently retired Bemis Professor of International Law Detlev Vagts (who only taught me the required course on Legal Accounting) arguing in favor of the Pentagon's Kangaroo Courts System on Guantanamo despite the fact that they have been soundly condemned by every human rights organization and every human rights official and leader in the entire world as well as by the United States Supreme Court itself in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (2006). I am not going to bother to recite here all the grievous deficiencies of the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts under International Law and U.S. Constitutional Law. But suffice it to say that the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts constitute war crimes under the Laws of War, the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and even the U. S. Army's own Field Manual 27-10, The Law of Land Warfare (1956). Field Manual 27-10 was drafted for the Pentagon by my Laws of War teacher Richard R. Baxter, who was generally recognized as the world's leading expert on that subject. That is precisely why I voluntarily chose to study International Law with him and his long-time collaborator Louis B. Sohn, and not with the bean-counter Vagts. For the entire post-World War II generation of international law students at Harvard Law School, Louis Sohn shall always be our real Bemis Professor of International Law and never the False Pretender to that Throne known as Detlev Vagts. Since those student days I have personally appeared pro bono publico in five U.S. military courts-martial proceedings involving warfare that were organized in accordance with the Congress's Uniform Code of Military Justice (U.C.M.J.)--which still does not apply to the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts despite the ruling by the U. S. Supreme Court in Hamdan that the U.C.M.J. should be applied in Guantanamo--on behalf of five U. S. military personnel who each acted as matters of courage, integrity, principle, conscience and at great risk to their own freedom: 1. U. S. Marine Corporal Jeff Paterson, the first U.S. military resister to President Bush Sr.'s genocidal war against Iraq; 2. Army Captain Doctor Yolanda Huet-Vaughn, the highest ranking U. S. commissioned officer to be court-martialed for refusing to participate in President Bush Sr.'s genocidal war against Iraq; 3. Captain Lawrence Rockwood, who was court-martialed by the U. S. Army for trying to stop torture in Haiti after the Clinton administration had illegally invaded that country in 1994; 4. Army Staff Sergeant Camilo Mejia, the first U. S. military resister to be court-martialed for refusing to participate in President Bush Jr.'s war of aggression against Iraq; and 5. Army First Lieutenant Ehren Watada, the first U. S. commissioned officer to be court-martialed for his refusal to participate in President Bush Jr.'s war of aggression against Iraq. As I can attest from my direct personal involvement, each and every one of these five courts-martial under the U.C.M.J. were Stalinist show-trials produced and directed by the Pentagon that predictably and readily degenerated into travesties of justice. These five U.C.M.J. courts-martial involving U.S. warfare each proved correct the old adage attributed to Groucho Marx that military justice is to justice as military music is to music. By comparison, the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts will not even be run in accordance with the U.C.M.J. despite the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Hamdan that they should be. The Marx Brothers are running the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts. Whenever they are up and fully operating the Gitmo Courts will constitute Stalinist Show Trials as well as Kangaroo Courts, and their preliminary proceedings have already proven them to be Travesties of Justice. Even worse yet, fully-functioning Stalinist Gitmo Kangaroo Courts will quickly become conveyor-belts of death for alleged and already tortured terrorist suspects along the lines of the Texas execution chamber operated by George Bush Jr. when he was the "governor" of that state and tortured to death 152 victims by means of lethal injection. Gitmo and/or Gitmo-North in Illinois will become Americas first-ever Nazi-style death camp. But today under the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, executing persons detained as a result of armed conflict without a fair trial before a regularly constituted court constitutes a grave war crime. To be sure, under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution Harvard Law Professor Vagts has the freedom to advocate war crimes so long as he does not participate in their commission, or incite them, or aid and abet them. But precisely where is that line to be drawn for law professors? In this regard, the Harvard Law School Faculty currently has at least five professors who have advocated torture and war crimes: 1. Vagts himself, who supported abusing the then recently captured President of Iraq Saddam Hussein despite his being publicly acknowledged to be a Prisoner of War by the Bush Jr. administration itself and thus absolutely protected by the Third Geneva Convention of 1949 and the Convention against Torture; 2. the infamous Alan Dershowitz, a self-incriminated war criminal in his own right. Dersh publicly acknowledged being a member of a Mossad Committee for approving the murder and assassination of Palestinians, which violates the Geneva Conventions and is thus a grave war crime; 3. the Neo-Con Con Law non-entity known as Richard Parker; 4. Another one of my teachers, Waco Phil Heymann. Previously, Waco Phil had been Deputy to U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco. Reno ordered the Waco Massacre, while Heymann ordered its cover-up and thus earned his well-deserved sobriquet of Waco Phil as an Accessory After The Fact. All those incinerated women and children! 5. The war criminal Jack Goldsmith who while working as a lawyer for the Bush Jr. administration at both the Pentagon and later its Department of In-Justice did much of the legal spade-work designing, justifying and approving the hideous human rights atrocities that the Bush Jr. administration inflicted on everyone after 9/11. Goldsmith and his co-felon accomplice and co-conspirator from the Bush Jr. administration Professor John Yoo--now desecrating Berkeley's Law School where my friend and colleague the late, great Dean Frank Newman had taught Human Rights and International Law--are functionally analogous to Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. Despite my best efforts to prevent it, the Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans hired the war criminal Goldsmith right out of the Bush Jr. administration knowing full well that he was up to his eyeballs in the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts, torture, war crimes, enforced disappearances, murder, kidnapping, and crimes against humanity, at a minimum. And when Goldsmith's proverbial "smoking-gun" Department of In-Justice Memorandum was published by the Washington Post, then Harvard Law School's Dean Elena Kagan contemptuously boasted in response about how "proud" she was to have hired this notorious war criminal. Previously Kagan had also publicly bragged that the future of International Legal Studies at Harvard Law School would be in the "good hands" of their resident war criminal Goldsmith. How perversely and tragically true! The Neo-Conservative Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans deliberately hired this Neo-Nazi legal architect of the Bush Jr. administration's bogus and nefarious "war against terrorism" because they fully support it together with all its essential accouterments of torture, kangaroo courts, war crimes, murder, kidnapping, enforced disappearances, crimes against humanity, and Nuremburg crimes against peace. By contrast, after the terrorist bombing of the Murrah Federal Building by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols in alleged revenge for the Waco Massacre and Cover-up by Janet Reno and Waco Phil Heymann, to the best of my recollection I do not remember that the Neo-Conservative Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans advocated kangaroo courts, torture, war crimes, and racist profiling for America's population of White Judeo-Christian Males. Yet after 9/11 the fundamentally White Racist Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans have no problem with inflicting torture, kangaroo courts, war crimes, and racist profiling upon Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color, which is exactly why they hired the war criminal Goldsmith to teach such criminal practices to their own law students and thus someday turn them into racist U. S. governmental war criminals in their own right. This is because for the most part the Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans have always been viscerally bigoted and racist against Muslims/Arabs/Asians and other People of Color since at least when I first matriculated there in September of 1971. The Harvard Law School (H.L.S.) Faculty and Deans are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. They are a sick joke and a demented fraud. Groucho Marx would have had a field day with them: Harvard is to Law School as Torture is to Law. The Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans torture the Law. Do not send your children or students to Harvard Law School where they will grow up to become racist war criminals! Harvard Law School is a Neo-Con cesspool. As for Harvard Laws Neo-Con Dean Kagan, Harvard Law Graduate President Barack Obama appointed her Solicitor General in his Department of Justice as the third highest ranking official in that department and thus as the proverbial oeTenth Justice for the 9-Justice U.S. Supreme Court. In this capacity Kagan has quarter-backed, supervised, and defended in all U.S. federal courts the Obama administrations continuation of the Bush Jr. administrations hideous atrocities perpetrated against human rights, international law, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. Constitution, and Americas Bill of Rights. As payback for her yeoman Neo-Con efforts, Kagan is now reportedly at the top of a very short list for President Obama to nominate to the U.S. Supreme Court upon the expected retirement of Mr. Justice Stevens, the reputed leader of the Courts oeliberal wing. Of course Stevens widespread denomination as a oeliberal just proves how far to the reactionary right the Supreme Court has moved since Stevens was recommended for the Supremes to President Gerald Ford by the arch-reactionary jurist Edward Hirsh Levi, then U.S. Attorney General and previously Dean of the arch-reactionary University of Chicago Law School where Antonin Scalia, Obama, Kagan, and her pet war criminal Goldsmith would all teach. As President of the entire arch-reactionary University of Chicago itself, Levi drove out about 30% of my undergraduate class that in 1968 had unwittingly entered this Birthplace and Warren for the Neo-Con Movement that was founded there by Chicago Professor Leo Strauss, a protégé of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt. Americas Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. In an interview she recently gave to National Public Radio, Obamas Neo-Con Solicitor General Kagan went out of her way to proclaim: oeI love the Federalist Society! (Emphasis in the original.) The Federalist Society is a gang of lawyers, law professors, and judges who for the most part are right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian. For example, almost all of the Bush Jr. administration lawyers responsible for its war criminal torture scandal were and still are members of the Federalist Society. Likewise, five Justices on the current U.S. Supreme Court were/are members of the Federalist Society: Harvard Law Graduate Roberts; Harvard Law Graduate Scalia; Harvard Law Graduate Kennedy; Yale Law Graduate Thomas; and Yale Law Graduate Alito. Thats what an oeelite legal education will do for you. In any event, H.L.S. President Obamas elevation of the H.L.S. Neo-Con Kagan to the Supremes would cement the Federalist Societys Neo-Con stranglehold over the U.S. Supreme Court for the next generation. As for another publicly touted Supremes candidate, the Neo-Con Cass Sunstein of the University of Chicago Law School and Harvard Law School, who is currently working at the White House as Obamas Disinformation and Infiltration Czar, would be just as lethal as Kagan to the American Constitution and Republic if sitting on the U.S. Supreme Court. Time for the Ordinary People of America to get organized against these Neo-Con legal elites! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Drew Gilpin Faust [mailto:president at harvard.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 2:09 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Harvard Law School Dean Search [Harvard University Office of the President] January 12, 2017 Dear Members of the Harvard Law School Community, In view of Martha Minow's recent announcement of her plans to step down as dean of Harvard Law School at the end of the academic year after eight years of distinguished leadership, I write to launch the search for a new dean-and to invite your advice and counsel. At a time of extraordinary change in our nation and the wider world, Harvard Law School's core commitments-to excellence in legal education and scholarship, to the strengthening of legal systems and the legal profession, and to the advancement of justice for all-matter as much as ever before. There is no law school whose faculty, students, staff, and alumni have greater capacity to fulfill the law's potential to shape our world for the better. Identifying an outstanding new dean to guide that collective effort will be one of my foremost priorities in the months to come. In line with usual Harvard practice, I have invited a group of senior faculty members with varied perspectives and expertise to serve on an advisory committee that will help Provost Alan Garber and me with the search. They are listed at the end of this message. I very much appreciate their willingness to focus on this important task. The advisory committee's work will be central to a wider outreach process to which I hope many of you will contribute. Provost Garber and I will be pursuing avenues to solicit perspectives and insights from the broader faculty, students, staff, alumni, and others within and beyond Harvard. We will particularly appreciate input on the principal opportunities and challenges facing Harvard Law School in the years ahead, on the professional and personal attributes you regard as most important to seek in the next dean, and on particular individuals at Harvard or elsewhere who you believe warrant serious consideration for the deanship. With this in mind, I hope that many of you will take the time to share your thoughts. You may write to me, in confidence, by email to hlsdeansearch at harvard.edu or by letter to Massachusetts Hall. Provost Garber and I will read all such correspondence with care. We rely on it as an essential means not only for identifying promising nominees but also for developing a well-rounded and textured view of the Law School and its future. Many thanks in advance for your thoughts-and warmest wishes for the new year. Sincerely, Drew Faust HLS Dean Search Advisory Committee Gabriella Blum Rita E. 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Trump was not > the peace candidate and he is not going to be the "peace" President, > if he and his choice for Secretary of Defense ("Mad Dog" Mattis) have > anything to say about the issue. > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-jim-mcgovern/america-cannot-afford-tru_b_14115350.html > > Deb Schrishuhn > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 12:51:46 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 12:51:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Harvard Law School Dean Search Message-ID: OK people. Now you really have to admit this is the Sick Joke of the day: The President of Harvard sets up a Search Committee for a new Dean of Harvard Law School and includes on their Search Committee a notorious torture lawyer and war criminal. The Nazis had their law schools too. Ditto for the Illinois Nazis Law School. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:13 AM To: 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Jay' ; Estabrook, Carl G ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'David Green' ; 'Karen Aram' Subject: FW: Harvard Law School Dean Search Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:08 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: QED: Harvard Law School Dean Search Jack Goldsmith Notice that Kagan's Pet War Criminal Jack Goldsmith is on their Search Committee. NeoCon Swamp indeed. QED. Fab. Subject: [NYTr] Prof of Intl Law Says Harvard Hired a War Criminal Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Nov 23, 2004 Information Clearing House - Breaking News http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7350.htm Professor of International Law Says Harvard Hired a "War Criminal" By Jason Leopold 11/23/04 "ICH" -- A Harvard University Law School alumni and professor of international law and human rights has started a campaign to boycott the prestigious university he once attended as a result of Harvard's hiring of Assistant Attorney General Jack Goldsmith to join its law school faculty. Goldsmith was identified earlier this year as one of several legal experts who drafted memos for the White House and the Justice Department saying the military could skirt the rules of the Geneva Convention when interrogating Iraqi prisoners. Legal experts have said that word about bypassing the Geneva Convention trickled down the military chain of command and lead to widespread abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Francis Boyle, who teaches at the University Of Illinois College Of Law and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard in 1971, said he was informed by colleagues last spring that Harvard was considering hiring Goldsmith and that he immediately voiced his concerns to Harvard officials. "These (Harvard) professors think they are above the law," Boyle said in an interview. "They refused to tell me why they were hiring Goldsmith, who, many of us in the legal profession believe is a war criminal." Neither Goldsmith nor Harvard law school officials would return numerous calls for comment. Boyle, according to his bio, has written extensively on international law and politics. He has published eight books. His book, Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, has been used successfully in numerous foreign policy protest trials. Boyle is also the lead counsel for Bosnia and Herzegovina in Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) currently pending before the International Court of Justice Goldsmith's March 19, 2004 memo, written for then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, who was tapped a couple of weeks ago to replace John Ashcroft as Attorney General, caused a furor in legal circles because it authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to transfer detainees out of Iraq for interrogation - a practice that international legal specialists say contravenes the Geneva Conventions, according to an Oct. 24 report in the Washington Post. "One intelligence official familiar with the operation said the CIA has used the March draft memo as legal support for secretly transporting as many as a dozen detainees out of Iraq in the last six months. The agency has concealed the detainees from the International Red Cross and other authorities, the official said," the Post reported. Moreover, Goldsmith personally presented Gonzales, the White House counsel, with a "series of arguments that they claimed could be marshaled as defenses against U.S. torture statutes and the United Nations Convention Against Torture (CAT), which has been ratified by the United States," reported Inter Press Service last month. The full extent to which Goldsmith advised the White House to ignore the Geneva Convention may be revealed during Gonzales's Senate confirmation hearing in January. Boyle, a former teaching fellow at Harvard and a former associate at its Center for International Affairs, became so incensed with his alma mater's hiring of Goldsmith in June that he immediately launched an email campaign to boycott Harvard and said he plans to ask other alumni to withhold funds from the University, which is in the midst of a $400 million fundraising campaign. "The Harvard Law School Faculty knew full well the nefarious activities that Goldsmith had performed at the Department of Justice and the Pentagon before they voted to hire him. Obviously, the Harvard Law School Faculty wanted a war criminal to join their ranks. For this reason, the Harvard Law School Faculty is not fit to educate students. I would strongly recommend that you discourage students from attending the Harvard Law School for any reason," states one of a dozen or so emails Boyle has distributed to colleagues, students and Harvard faculty. Boyle said he is asking colleagues and other alumni to "ding" Harvard law school in the national rankings and "drive their rankings down overall and by each specialty." "We need to drive home to the Harvard Law School Faculty that this behavior is completely unacceptable to their colleagues in the legal teaching profession," Boyle said. "The Harvard Law School Faculty is not above the Law. Therefore, I recommend that we respond to each and every peer survey we get and rank the Harvard Law School last." It's unknown whether Boyle's actions have had a material impact on Harvard. * Search the NYTr Archives at: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ To subscribe or unsubscribe or change your settings via the web, visit: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================= NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us 339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org e-mail: nyt at blythe.org =================================== Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:00 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: FW: Harvard Law School Dean Search OK everyone. Now is your chance to nominate me. I pledge to drain the NeoCon Swamp at Harvard Law School that gave us Obama, Killer Koh, Ann-Marie Slaughtered, Sam Our Problem From Hell Power and the rest of Obama's Harvard Law Mafia described in Charlie Savage's Power Wars. The Nazis had their law schools too. Fab. HEADLINE: Harvard's Gitmo Kangaroo Law School: The School for Torturers BYLINE: Francis A Boyle BODY: Apr. 2, 2010 (Atlantic Free Press delivered by Newstex) -- by Francis A. Boyle Ph.D. Not surprisingly, the January 2007 issue of the American Journal of Imperial Law--otherwise known as the self-styled American Journal of International Law but originally founded a century ago and still operated by U. S. War and State Department legal apparatchiks and their law professorial fellow-travelers-- published an article by Harvard Law School's recently retired Bemis Professor of International Law Detlev Vagts (who only taught me the required course on Legal Accounting) arguing in favor of the Pentagon's Kangaroo Courts System on Guantanamo despite the fact that they have been soundly condemned by every human rights organization and every human rights official and leader in the entire world as well as by the United States Supreme Court itself in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (2006). I am not going to bother to recite here all the grievous deficiencies of the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts under International Law and U.S. Constitutional Law. But suffice it to say that the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts constitute war crimes under the Laws of War, the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and even the U. S. Army's own Field Manual 27-10, The Law of Land Warfare (1956). Field Manual 27-10 was drafted for the Pentagon by my Laws of War teacher Richard R. Baxter, who was generally recognized as the world's leading expert on that subject. That is precisely why I voluntarily chose to study International Law with him and his long-time collaborator Louis B. Sohn, and not with the bean-counter Vagts. For the entire post-World War II generation of international law students at Harvard Law School, Louis Sohn shall always be our real Bemis Professor of International Law and never the False Pretender to that Throne known as Detlev Vagts. Since those student days I have personally appeared pro bono publico in five U.S. military courts-martial proceedings involving warfare that were organized in accordance with the Congress's Uniform Code of Military Justice (U.C.M.J.)--which still does not apply to the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts despite the ruling by the U. S. Supreme Court in Hamdan that the U.C.M.J. should be applied in Guantanamo--on behalf of five U. S. military personnel who each acted as matters of courage, integrity, principle, conscience and at great risk to their own freedom: 1. U. S. Marine Corporal Jeff Paterson, the first U.S. military resister to President Bush Sr.'s genocidal war against Iraq; 2. Army Captain Doctor Yolanda Huet-Vaughn, the highest ranking U. S. commissioned officer to be court-martialed for refusing to participate in President Bush Sr.'s genocidal war against Iraq; 3. Captain Lawrence Rockwood, who was court-martialed by the U. S. Army for trying to stop torture in Haiti after the Clinton administration had illegally invaded that country in 1994; 4. Army Staff Sergeant Camilo Mejia, the first U. S. military resister to be court-martialed for refusing to participate in President Bush Jr.'s war of aggression against Iraq; and 5. Army First Lieutenant Ehren Watada, the first U. S. commissioned officer to be court-martialed for his refusal to participate in President Bush Jr.'s war of aggression against Iraq. As I can attest from my direct personal involvement, each and every one of these five courts-martial under the U.C.M.J. were Stalinist show-trials produced and directed by the Pentagon that predictably and readily degenerated into travesties of justice. These five U.C.M.J. courts-martial involving U.S. warfare each proved correct the old adage attributed to Groucho Marx that military justice is to justice as military music is to music. By comparison, the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts will not even be run in accordance with the U.C.M.J. despite the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Hamdan that they should be. The Marx Brothers are running the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts. Whenever they are up and fully operating the Gitmo Courts will constitute Stalinist Show Trials as well as Kangaroo Courts, and their preliminary proceedings have already proven them to be Travesties of Justice. Even worse yet, fully-functioning Stalinist Gitmo Kangaroo Courts will quickly become conveyor-belts of death for alleged and already tortured terrorist suspects along the lines of the Texas execution chamber operated by George Bush Jr. when he was the "governor" of that state and tortured to death 152 victims by means of lethal injection. Gitmo and/or Gitmo-North in Illinois will become Americas first-ever Nazi-style death camp. But today under the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, executing persons detained as a result of armed conflict without a fair trial before a regularly constituted court constitutes a grave war crime. To be sure, under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution Harvard Law Professor Vagts has the freedom to advocate war crimes so long as he does not participate in their commission, or incite them, or aid and abet them. But precisely where is that line to be drawn for law professors? In this regard, the Harvard Law School Faculty currently has at least five professors who have advocated torture and war crimes: 1. Vagts himself, who supported abusing the then recently captured President of Iraq Saddam Hussein despite his being publicly acknowledged to be a Prisoner of War by the Bush Jr. administration itself and thus absolutely protected by the Third Geneva Convention of 1949 and the Convention against Torture; 2. the infamous Alan Dershowitz, a self-incriminated war criminal in his own right. Dersh publicly acknowledged being a member of a Mossad Committee for approving the murder and assassination of Palestinians, which violates the Geneva Conventions and is thus a grave war crime; 3. the Neo-Con Con Law non-entity known as Richard Parker; 4. Another one of my teachers, Waco Phil Heymann. Previously, Waco Phil had been Deputy to U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco. Reno ordered the Waco Massacre, while Heymann ordered its cover-up and thus earned his well-deserved sobriquet of Waco Phil as an Accessory After The Fact. All those incinerated women and children! 5. The war criminal Jack Goldsmith who while working as a lawyer for the Bush Jr. administration at both the Pentagon and later its Department of In-Justice did much of the legal spade-work designing, justifying and approving the hideous human rights atrocities that the Bush Jr. administration inflicted on everyone after 9/11. Goldsmith and his co-felon accomplice and co-conspirator from the Bush Jr. administration Professor John Yoo--now desecrating Berkeley's Law School where my friend and colleague the late, great Dean Frank Newman had taught Human Rights and International Law--are functionally analogous to Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. Despite my best efforts to prevent it, the Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans hired the war criminal Goldsmith right out of the Bush Jr. administration knowing full well that he was up to his eyeballs in the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts, torture, war crimes, enforced disappearances, murder, kidnapping, and crimes against humanity, at a minimum. And when Goldsmith's proverbial "smoking-gun" Department of In-Justice Memorandum was published by the Washington Post, then Harvard Law School's Dean Elena Kagan contemptuously boasted in response about how "proud" she was to have hired this notorious war criminal. Previously Kagan had also publicly bragged that the future of International Legal Studies at Harvard Law School would be in the "good hands" of their resident war criminal Goldsmith. How perversely and tragically true! The Neo-Conservative Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans deliberately hired this Neo-Nazi legal architect of the Bush Jr. administration's bogus and nefarious "war against terrorism" because they fully support it together with all its essential accouterments of torture, kangaroo courts, war crimes, murder, kidnapping, enforced disappearances, crimes against humanity, and Nuremburg crimes against peace. By contrast, after the terrorist bombing of the Murrah Federal Building by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols in alleged revenge for the Waco Massacre and Cover-up by Janet Reno and Waco Phil Heymann, to the best of my recollection I do not remember that the Neo-Conservative Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans advocated kangaroo courts, torture, war crimes, and racist profiling for America's population of White Judeo-Christian Males. Yet after 9/11 the fundamentally White Racist Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans have no problem with inflicting torture, kangaroo courts, war crimes, and racist profiling upon Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color, which is exactly why they hired the war criminal Goldsmith to teach such criminal practices to their own law students and thus someday turn them into racist U. S. governmental war criminals in their own right. This is because for the most part the Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans have always been viscerally bigoted and racist against Muslims/Arabs/Asians and other People of Color since at least when I first matriculated there in September of 1971. The Harvard Law School (H.L.S.) Faculty and Deans are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. They are a sick joke and a demented fraud. Groucho Marx would have had a field day with them: Harvard is to Law School as Torture is to Law. The Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans torture the Law. Do not send your children or students to Harvard Law School where they will grow up to become racist war criminals! Harvard Law School is a Neo-Con cesspool. As for Harvard Laws Neo-Con Dean Kagan, Harvard Law Graduate President Barack Obama appointed her Solicitor General in his Department of Justice as the third highest ranking official in that department and thus as the proverbial oeTenth Justice for the 9-Justice U.S. Supreme Court. In this capacity Kagan has quarter-backed, supervised, and defended in all U.S. federal courts the Obama administrations continuation of the Bush Jr. administrations hideous atrocities perpetrated against human rights, international law, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. Constitution, and Americas Bill of Rights. As payback for her yeoman Neo-Con efforts, Kagan is now reportedly at the top of a very short list for President Obama to nominate to the U.S. Supreme Court upon the expected retirement of Mr. Justice Stevens, the reputed leader of the Courts oeliberal wing. Of course Stevens widespread denomination as a oeliberal just proves how far to the reactionary right the Supreme Court has moved since Stevens was recommended for the Supremes to President Gerald Ford by the arch-reactionary jurist Edward Hirsh Levi, then U.S. Attorney General and previously Dean of the arch-reactionary University of Chicago Law School where Antonin Scalia, Obama, Kagan, and her pet war criminal Goldsmith would all teach. As President of the entire arch-reactionary University of Chicago itself, Levi drove out about 30% of my undergraduate class that in 1968 had unwittingly entered this Birthplace and Warren for the Neo-Con Movement that was founded there by Chicago Professor Leo Strauss, a protégé of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt. Americas Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. In an interview she recently gave to National Public Radio, Obamas Neo-Con Solicitor General Kagan went out of her way to proclaim: oeI love the Federalist Society! (Emphasis in the original.) The Federalist Society is a gang of lawyers, law professors, and judges who for the most part are right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian. For example, almost all of the Bush Jr. administration lawyers responsible for its war criminal torture scandal were and still are members of the Federalist Society. Likewise, five Justices on the current U.S. Supreme Court were/are members of the Federalist Society: Harvard Law Graduate Roberts; Harvard Law Graduate Scalia; Harvard Law Graduate Kennedy; Yale Law Graduate Thomas; and Yale Law Graduate Alito. Thats what an oeelite legal education will do for you. In any event, H.L.S. President Obamas elevation of the H.L.S. Neo-Con Kagan to the Supremes would cement the Federalist Societys Neo-Con stranglehold over the U.S. Supreme Court for the next generation. As for another publicly touted Supremes candidate, the Neo-Con Cass Sunstein of the University of Chicago Law School and Harvard Law School, who is currently working at the White House as Obamas Disinformation and Infiltration Czar, would be just as lethal as Kagan to the American Constitution and Republic if sitting on the U.S. Supreme Court. Time for the Ordinary People of America to get organized against these Neo-Con legal elites! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Drew Gilpin Faust [mailto:president at harvard.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 2:09 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Harvard Law School Dean Search [Harvard University Office of the President] January 12, 2017 Dear Members of the Harvard Law School Community, In view of Martha Minow's recent announcement of her plans to step down as dean of Harvard Law School at the end of the academic year after eight years of distinguished leadership, I write to launch the search for a new dean-and to invite your advice and counsel. At a time of extraordinary change in our nation and the wider world, Harvard Law School's core commitments-to excellence in legal education and scholarship, to the strengthening of legal systems and the legal profession, and to the advancement of justice for all-matter as much as ever before. There is no law school whose faculty, students, staff, and alumni have greater capacity to fulfill the law's potential to shape our world for the better. Identifying an outstanding new dean to guide that collective effort will be one of my foremost priorities in the months to come. In line with usual Harvard practice, I have invited a group of senior faculty members with varied perspectives and expertise to serve on an advisory committee that will help Provost Alan Garber and me with the search. They are listed at the end of this message. I very much appreciate their willingness to focus on this important task. The advisory committee's work will be central to a wider outreach process to which I hope many of you will contribute. Provost Garber and I will be pursuing avenues to solicit perspectives and insights from the broader faculty, students, staff, alumni, and others within and beyond Harvard. We will particularly appreciate input on the principal opportunities and challenges facing Harvard Law School in the years ahead, on the professional and personal attributes you regard as most important to seek in the next dean, and on particular individuals at Harvard or elsewhere who you believe warrant serious consideration for the deanship. With this in mind, I hope that many of you will take the time to share your thoughts. You may write to me, in confidence, by email to hlsdeansearch at harvard.edu or by letter to Massachusetts Hall. Provost Garber and I will read all such correspondence with care. We rely on it as an essential means not only for identifying promising nominees but also for developing a well-rounded and textured view of the Law School and its future. Many thanks in advance for your thoughts-and warmest wishes for the new year. Sincerely, Drew Faust HLS Dean Search Advisory Committee Gabriella Blum Rita E. 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:52 AM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: RE: Harvard Law School Dean Search OK people. Now you really have to admit this is the Sick Joke of the day: The President of Harvard sets up a Search Committee for a new Dean of Harvard Law School and includes on their Search Committee a notorious torture lawyer and war criminal. The Nazis had their law schools too. Ditto for the Illinois Nazis Law School. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:13 AM To: 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Jay' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' >; 'Karen Aram' > Subject: FW: Harvard Law School Dean Search Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:08 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: QED: Harvard Law School Dean Search Jack Goldsmith Notice that Kagan's Pet War Criminal Jack Goldsmith is on their Search Committee. NeoCon Swamp indeed. QED. Fab. Subject: [NYTr] Prof of Intl Law Says Harvard Hired a War Criminal Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Nov 23, 2004 Information Clearing House - Breaking News http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7350.htm Professor of International Law Says Harvard Hired a "War Criminal" By Jason Leopold 11/23/04 "ICH" -- A Harvard University Law School alumni and professor of international law and human rights has started a campaign to boycott the prestigious university he once attended as a result of Harvard's hiring of Assistant Attorney General Jack Goldsmith to join its law school faculty. Goldsmith was identified earlier this year as one of several legal experts who drafted memos for the White House and the Justice Department saying the military could skirt the rules of the Geneva Convention when interrogating Iraqi prisoners. Legal experts have said that word about bypassing the Geneva Convention trickled down the military chain of command and lead to widespread abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Francis Boyle, who teaches at the University Of Illinois College Of Law and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard in 1971, said he was informed by colleagues last spring that Harvard was considering hiring Goldsmith and that he immediately voiced his concerns to Harvard officials. "These (Harvard) professors think they are above the law," Boyle said in an interview. "They refused to tell me why they were hiring Goldsmith, who, many of us in the legal profession believe is a war criminal." Neither Goldsmith nor Harvard law school officials would return numerous calls for comment. Boyle, according to his bio, has written extensively on international law and politics. He has published eight books. His book, Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, has been used successfully in numerous foreign policy protest trials. Boyle is also the lead counsel for Bosnia and Herzegovina in Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) currently pending before the International Court of Justice Goldsmith's March 19, 2004 memo, written for then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, who was tapped a couple of weeks ago to replace John Ashcroft as Attorney General, caused a furor in legal circles because it authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to transfer detainees out of Iraq for interrogation - a practice that international legal specialists say contravenes the Geneva Conventions, according to an Oct. 24 report in the Washington Post. "One intelligence official familiar with the operation said the CIA has used the March draft memo as legal support for secretly transporting as many as a dozen detainees out of Iraq in the last six months. The agency has concealed the detainees from the International Red Cross and other authorities, the official said," the Post reported. Moreover, Goldsmith personally presented Gonzales, the White House counsel, with a "series of arguments that they claimed could be marshaled as defenses against U.S. torture statutes and the United Nations Convention Against Torture (CAT), which has been ratified by the United States," reported Inter Press Service last month. The full extent to which Goldsmith advised the White House to ignore the Geneva Convention may be revealed during Gonzales's Senate confirmation hearing in January. Boyle, a former teaching fellow at Harvard and a former associate at its Center for International Affairs, became so incensed with his alma mater's hiring of Goldsmith in June that he immediately launched an email campaign to boycott Harvard and said he plans to ask other alumni to withhold funds from the University, which is in the midst of a $400 million fundraising campaign. "The Harvard Law School Faculty knew full well the nefarious activities that Goldsmith had performed at the Department of Justice and the Pentagon before they voted to hire him. Obviously, the Harvard Law School Faculty wanted a war criminal to join their ranks. For this reason, the Harvard Law School Faculty is not fit to educate students. I would strongly recommend that you discourage students from attending the Harvard Law School for any reason," states one of a dozen or so emails Boyle has distributed to colleagues, students and Harvard faculty. Boyle said he is asking colleagues and other alumni to "ding" Harvard law school in the national rankings and "drive their rankings down overall and by each specialty." "We need to drive home to the Harvard Law School Faculty that this behavior is completely unacceptable to their colleagues in the legal teaching profession," Boyle said. "The Harvard Law School Faculty is not above the Law. Therefore, I recommend that we respond to each and every peer survey we get and rank the Harvard Law School last." It's unknown whether Boyle's actions have had a material impact on Harvard. * Search the NYTr Archives at: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ To subscribe or unsubscribe or change your settings via the web, visit: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================= NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us 339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org e-mail: nyt at blythe.org =================================== Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 4:00 AM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: FW: Harvard Law School Dean Search OK everyone. Now is your chance to nominate me. I pledge to drain the NeoCon Swamp at Harvard Law School that gave us Obama, Killer Koh, Ann-Marie Slaughtered, Sam Our Problem From Hell Power and the rest of Obama's Harvard Law Mafia described in Charlie Savage's Power Wars. The Nazis had their law schools too. Fab. HEADLINE: Harvard's Gitmo Kangaroo Law School: The School for Torturers BYLINE: Francis A Boyle BODY: Apr. 2, 2010 (Atlantic Free Press delivered by Newstex) -- by Francis A. Boyle Ph.D. Not surprisingly, the January 2007 issue of the American Journal of Imperial Law--otherwise known as the self-styled American Journal of International Law but originally founded a century ago and still operated by U. S. War and State Department legal apparatchiks and their law professorial fellow-travelers-- published an article by Harvard Law School's recently retired Bemis Professor of International Law Detlev Vagts (who only taught me the required course on Legal Accounting) arguing in favor of the Pentagon's Kangaroo Courts System on Guantanamo despite the fact that they have been soundly condemned by every human rights organization and every human rights official and leader in the entire world as well as by the United States Supreme Court itself in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (2006). I am not going to bother to recite here all the grievous deficiencies of the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts under International Law and U.S. Constitutional Law. But suffice it to say that the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts constitute war crimes under the Laws of War, the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, and even the U. S. Army's own Field Manual 27-10, The Law of Land Warfare (1956). Field Manual 27-10 was drafted for the Pentagon by my Laws of War teacher Richard R. Baxter, who was generally recognized as the world's leading expert on that subject. That is precisely why I voluntarily chose to study International Law with him and his long-time collaborator Louis B. Sohn, and not with the bean-counter Vagts. For the entire post-World War II generation of international law students at Harvard Law School, Louis Sohn shall always be our real Bemis Professor of International Law and never the False Pretender to that Throne known as Detlev Vagts. Since those student days I have personally appeared pro bono publico in five U.S. military courts-martial proceedings involving warfare that were organized in accordance with the Congress's Uniform Code of Military Justice (U.C.M.J.)--which still does not apply to the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts despite the ruling by the U. S. Supreme Court in Hamdan that the U.C.M.J. should be applied in Guantanamo--on behalf of five U. S. military personnel who each acted as matters of courage, integrity, principle, conscience and at great risk to their own freedom: 1. U. S. Marine Corporal Jeff Paterson, the first U.S. military resister to President Bush Sr.'s genocidal war against Iraq; 2. Army Captain Doctor Yolanda Huet-Vaughn, the highest ranking U. S. commissioned officer to be court-martialed for refusing to participate in President Bush Sr.'s genocidal war against Iraq; 3. Captain Lawrence Rockwood, who was court-martialed by the U. S. Army for trying to stop torture in Haiti after the Clinton administration had illegally invaded that country in 1994; 4. Army Staff Sergeant Camilo Mejia, the first U. S. military resister to be court-martialed for refusing to participate in President Bush Jr.'s war of aggression against Iraq; and 5. Army First Lieutenant Ehren Watada, the first U. S. commissioned officer to be court-martialed for his refusal to participate in President Bush Jr.'s war of aggression against Iraq. As I can attest from my direct personal involvement, each and every one of these five courts-martial under the U.C.M.J. were Stalinist show-trials produced and directed by the Pentagon that predictably and readily degenerated into travesties of justice. These five U.C.M.J. courts-martial involving U.S. warfare each proved correct the old adage attributed to Groucho Marx that military justice is to justice as military music is to music. By comparison, the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts will not even be run in accordance with the U.C.M.J. despite the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Hamdan that they should be. The Marx Brothers are running the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts. Whenever they are up and fully operating the Gitmo Courts will constitute Stalinist Show Trials as well as Kangaroo Courts, and their preliminary proceedings have already proven them to be Travesties of Justice. Even worse yet, fully-functioning Stalinist Gitmo Kangaroo Courts will quickly become conveyor-belts of death for alleged and already tortured terrorist suspects along the lines of the Texas execution chamber operated by George Bush Jr. when he was the "governor" of that state and tortured to death 152 victims by means of lethal injection. Gitmo and/or Gitmo-North in Illinois will become Americas first-ever Nazi-style death camp. But today under the Four Geneva Conventions of 1949, executing persons detained as a result of armed conflict without a fair trial before a regularly constituted court constitutes a grave war crime. To be sure, under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution Harvard Law Professor Vagts has the freedom to advocate war crimes so long as he does not participate in their commission, or incite them, or aid and abet them. But precisely where is that line to be drawn for law professors? In this regard, the Harvard Law School Faculty currently has at least five professors who have advocated torture and war crimes: 1. Vagts himself, who supported abusing the then recently captured President of Iraq Saddam Hussein despite his being publicly acknowledged to be a Prisoner of War by the Bush Jr. administration itself and thus absolutely protected by the Third Geneva Convention of 1949 and the Convention against Torture; 2. the infamous Alan Dershowitz, a self-incriminated war criminal in his own right. Dersh publicly acknowledged being a member of a Mossad Committee for approving the murder and assassination of Palestinians, which violates the Geneva Conventions and is thus a grave war crime; 3. the Neo-Con Con Law non-entity known as Richard Parker; 4. Another one of my teachers, Waco Phil Heymann. Previously, Waco Phil had been Deputy to U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, the Butcher of Waco. Reno ordered the Waco Massacre, while Heymann ordered its cover-up and thus earned his well-deserved sobriquet of Waco Phil as an Accessory After The Fact. All those incinerated women and children! 5. The war criminal Jack Goldsmith who while working as a lawyer for the Bush Jr. administration at both the Pentagon and later its Department of In-Justice did much of the legal spade-work designing, justifying and approving the hideous human rights atrocities that the Bush Jr. administration inflicted on everyone after 9/11. Goldsmith and his co-felon accomplice and co-conspirator from the Bush Jr. administration Professor John Yoo--now desecrating Berkeley's Law School where my friend and colleague the late, great Dean Frank Newman had taught Human Rights and International Law--are functionally analogous to Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. Despite my best efforts to prevent it, the Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans hired the war criminal Goldsmith right out of the Bush Jr. administration knowing full well that he was up to his eyeballs in the Gitmo Kangaroo Courts, torture, war crimes, enforced disappearances, murder, kidnapping, and crimes against humanity, at a minimum. And when Goldsmith's proverbial "smoking-gun" Department of In-Justice Memorandum was published by the Washington Post, then Harvard Law School's Dean Elena Kagan contemptuously boasted in response about how "proud" she was to have hired this notorious war criminal. Previously Kagan had also publicly bragged that the future of International Legal Studies at Harvard Law School would be in the "good hands" of their resident war criminal Goldsmith. How perversely and tragically true! The Neo-Conservative Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans deliberately hired this Neo-Nazi legal architect of the Bush Jr. administration's bogus and nefarious "war against terrorism" because they fully support it together with all its essential accouterments of torture, kangaroo courts, war crimes, murder, kidnapping, enforced disappearances, crimes against humanity, and Nuremburg crimes against peace. By contrast, after the terrorist bombing of the Murrah Federal Building by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols in alleged revenge for the Waco Massacre and Cover-up by Janet Reno and Waco Phil Heymann, to the best of my recollection I do not remember that the Neo-Conservative Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans advocated kangaroo courts, torture, war crimes, and racist profiling for America's population of White Judeo-Christian Males. Yet after 9/11 the fundamentally White Racist Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans have no problem with inflicting torture, kangaroo courts, war crimes, and racist profiling upon Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color, which is exactly why they hired the war criminal Goldsmith to teach such criminal practices to their own law students and thus someday turn them into racist U. S. governmental war criminals in their own right. This is because for the most part the Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans have always been viscerally bigoted and racist against Muslims/Arabs/Asians and other People of Color since at least when I first matriculated there in September of 1971. The Harvard Law School (H.L.S.) Faculty and Deans are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. They are a sick joke and a demented fraud. Groucho Marx would have had a field day with them: Harvard is to Law School as Torture is to Law. The Harvard Law School Faculty and Deans torture the Law. Do not send your children or students to Harvard Law School where they will grow up to become racist war criminals! Harvard Law School is a Neo-Con cesspool. As for Harvard Laws Neo-Con Dean Kagan, Harvard Law Graduate President Barack Obama appointed her Solicitor General in his Department of Justice as the third highest ranking official in that department and thus as the proverbial oeTenth Justice for the 9-Justice U.S. Supreme Court. In this capacity Kagan has quarter-backed, supervised, and defended in all U.S. federal courts the Obama administrations continuation of the Bush Jr. administrations hideous atrocities perpetrated against human rights, international law, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. Constitution, and Americas Bill of Rights. As payback for her yeoman Neo-Con efforts, Kagan is now reportedly at the top of a very short list for President Obama to nominate to the U.S. Supreme Court upon the expected retirement of Mr. Justice Stevens, the reputed leader of the Courts oeliberal wing. Of course Stevens widespread denomination as a oeliberal just proves how far to the reactionary right the Supreme Court has moved since Stevens was recommended for the Supremes to President Gerald Ford by the arch-reactionary jurist Edward Hirsh Levi, then U.S. Attorney General and previously Dean of the arch-reactionary University of Chicago Law School where Antonin Scalia, Obama, Kagan, and her pet war criminal Goldsmith would all teach. As President of the entire arch-reactionary University of Chicago itself, Levi drove out about 30% of my undergraduate class that in 1968 had unwittingly entered this Birthplace and Warren for the Neo-Con Movement that was founded there by Chicago Professor Leo Strauss, a protégé of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt. Americas Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. In an interview she recently gave to National Public Radio, Obamas Neo-Con Solicitor General Kagan went out of her way to proclaim: oeI love the Federalist Society! (Emphasis in the original.) The Federalist Society is a gang of lawyers, law professors, and judges who for the most part are right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian. For example, almost all of the Bush Jr. administration lawyers responsible for its war criminal torture scandal were and still are members of the Federalist Society. Likewise, five Justices on the current U.S. Supreme Court were/are members of the Federalist Society: Harvard Law Graduate Roberts; Harvard Law Graduate Scalia; Harvard Law Graduate Kennedy; Yale Law Graduate Thomas; and Yale Law Graduate Alito. Thats what an oeelite legal education will do for you. In any event, H.L.S. President Obamas elevation of the H.L.S. Neo-Con Kagan to the Supremes would cement the Federalist Societys Neo-Con stranglehold over the U.S. Supreme Court for the next generation. As for another publicly touted Supremes candidate, the Neo-Con Cass Sunstein of the University of Chicago Law School and Harvard Law School, who is currently working at the White House as Obamas Disinformation and Infiltration Czar, would be just as lethal as Kagan to the American Constitution and Republic if sitting on the U.S. Supreme Court. Time for the Ordinary People of America to get organized against these Neo-Con legal elites! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Drew Gilpin Faust [mailto:president at harvard.edu] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 2:09 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Harvard Law School Dean Search [Harvard University Office of the President] January 12, 2017 Dear Members of the Harvard Law School Community, In view of Martha Minow's recent announcement of her plans to step down as dean of Harvard Law School at the end of the academic year after eight years of distinguished leadership, I write to launch the search for a new dean-and to invite your advice and counsel. At a time of extraordinary change in our nation and the wider world, Harvard Law School's core commitments-to excellence in legal education and scholarship, to the strengthening of legal systems and the legal profession, and to the advancement of justice for all-matter as much as ever before. There is no law school whose faculty, students, staff, and alumni have greater capacity to fulfill the law's potential to shape our world for the better. Identifying an outstanding new dean to guide that collective effort will be one of my foremost priorities in the months to come. In line with usual Harvard practice, I have invited a group of senior faculty members with varied perspectives and expertise to serve on an advisory committee that will help Provost Alan Garber and me with the search. They are listed at the end of this message. I very much appreciate their willingness to focus on this important task. The advisory committee's work will be central to a wider outreach process to which I hope many of you will contribute. Provost Garber and I will be pursuing avenues to solicit perspectives and insights from the broader faculty, students, staff, alumni, and others within and beyond Harvard. We will particularly appreciate input on the principal opportunities and challenges facing Harvard Law School in the years ahead, on the professional and personal attributes you regard as most important to seek in the next dean, and on particular individuals at Harvard or elsewhere who you believe warrant serious consideration for the deanship. With this in mind, I hope that many of you will take the time to share your thoughts. You may write to me, in confidence, by email to hlsdeansearch at harvard.edu or by letter to Massachusetts Hall. Provost Garber and I will read all such correspondence with care. We rely on it as an essential means not only for identifying promising nominees but also for developing a well-rounded and textured view of the Law School and its future. Many thanks in advance for your thoughts-and warmest wishes for the new year. Sincerely, Drew Faust HLS Dean Search Advisory Committee Gabriella Blum Rita E. Hauser Professor of Human Rights and Humanitarian Law Jack Goldsmith Henry L. Shattuck Professor of Law Annette Gordon-Reed Charles Warren Professor of American Legal History (HLS) Professor of History (FAS) Wendy Jacobs Clinical Professor of Law Louis Kaplow Finn M.W. Caspersen and Household International Professor of Law and Economics Randall Kennedy Michael R. Klein Professor of Law Richard Lazarus Howard and Katherine Aibel Professor of Law Daniel Nagin Clinical Professor of Law Carol Steiker Henry J. Friendly Professor of Law Kristen Stilt Professor of Law Guhan Subramanian Joseph H. Flom Professor of Law and Business (HLS) H. Douglas Weaver Professor of Business Law (HBS) Jonathan Zittrain George Bemis Professor of International Law (HLS, HKS) Professor of Computer Science (SEAS) © 2017 President and Fellows of Harvard College | Harvard.edu Harvard University | Massachusetts Hall | Cambridge, MA 02138 124 Mount Auburn Street Harvard respects your privacy. Please see our privacy statement for more information. Removal Instructions: If you no longer wish to receive Special Announcement email messages from Harvard University Leadership, please unsubscribe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 13:50:27 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 07:50:27 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Harvard Law School Dean Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, I think you’re skipping a generation (or more) here, Francis, in regard to the 'political class' (roughly the 20% of the US population who went to a ‘good’ college). [1] Halberstam’s "The Best and the Brightest" (1972) discussed the assault on Vietnam by JFK’s contemporaries - born ca. 1920. [2] Their sons and daughters were the baby boomers, including those who protested the Vietnam War, at Harvard and elsewhere. [3] Their grandsons and granddaughters (b. ca. 1970) are now protesting Trump (who’s not PLU) in a desperate attempt to revive the Democratic party against the world-wide threat of populism. [4] And the next generation are the much-touted millennials, who’ve grown up in an America of increasing (and accelerating) inequality - and have taken sides in it, in various ways. These generational views are I think visible even in what Chomsky once called "the academy for the passive and obedient” in Harvard Square. Regards, CGE > On Jan 13, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Of course, what else do you expect from Harvard: “The Best And The Brightest” indeed. Now we are dealing with the Sons and the Daughters of The Best And the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:52 AM > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram > Subject: RE: Harvard Law School Dean Search > > OK people. Now you really have to admit this is the Sick Joke of the day: The President of Harvard sets up a Search Committee for a new Dean of Harvard Law School and includes on their Search Committee a notorious torture lawyer and war criminal. The Nazis had their law schools too. Ditto for the Illinois Nazis Law School. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 14:04:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:04:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Harvard Law School Dean Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the elongated perspective Carl. Fab. The Greatest Generation? By Professor Francis A. Boyle 11 October, 2013 Countercurrents.org Oh really? If they were so great Then why did they send Their Sons so willingly Off to die In Vietnam A war they started While we suffered from 58,000 young men Of my generation Were murdered By The Greatest Generation Hundreds of Thousands Of our Lives were destroyed Plus 3 million genocided Vietnamese Not that “gooks” mattered to The Greatest Generation Then neither did we their Sons Why didn’t The Greatest Generation Rise up as One And tell the American Empire That you will not have our Sons Over our dead bodies! Hell no! They will not go! Why did The Greatest Generation Not fight for US their Sons Against the American Empire As they did against the German and Japanese Empires We the Sons of the Greatest Generation were not worth it They said they were liberating Peoples in Foreign Lands Then why did The Greatest Generation send their Sons To fight and die In that God-forsaken Land? And to murder millions living in their own Land? Was this some blood-sport we had to play With them as pony riders and US as buzkashi goat carcasses Was it reverse Freudian Oedipal Complex Them killing us off before we got to them And took their place Were we blood-sacrifice to Moloch With them as Priests And we as sacrificial lambs Were they our Abrahams Actually murdering US their Isaacs In a Holocaust To their Genocidal Yahweh Hard to say What was going on In the Minds of The Greatest Generation If anything at all Mindless Patriotism The last refuge of them Scoundrels! They knew all about War then sent their Sons marching off Into the Valley of Death Charge of the Light Brigade The result was predictable A Decimated Generation A Shattered Generation MY GENERATION! BUT WE ENDED THEIR DAMN WAR! The Greatest Generation? Hell no! A Pathetic Generation! May they ever be tormented By Their Own Son’s Souls Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include “ Palestine, Palestinians and International Law” (2003), and “ The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law” (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:50 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: Re: Harvard Law School Dean Search Actually, I think you’re skipping a generation (or more) here, Francis, in regard to the 'political class' (roughly the 20% of the US population who went to a ‘good’ college). [1] Halberstam’s "The Best and the Brightest" (1972) discussed the assault on Vietnam by JFK’s contemporaries - born ca. 1920. [2] Their sons and daughters were the baby boomers, including those who protested the Vietnam War, at Harvard and elsewhere. [3] Their grandsons and granddaughters (b. ca. 1970) are now protesting Trump (who’s not PLU) in a desperate attempt to revive the Democratic party against the world-wide threat of populism. [4] And the next generation are the much-touted millennials, who’ve grown up in an America of increasing (and accelerating) inequality - and have taken sides in it, in various ways. These generational views are I think visible even in what Chomsky once called "the academy for the passive and obedient” in Harvard Square. Regards, CGE > On Jan 13, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Of course, what else do you expect from Harvard: “The Best And The Brightest” indeed. Now we are dealing with the Sons and the Daughters of The Best And the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:52 AM > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram > Subject: RE: Harvard Law School Dean Search > > OK people. Now you really have to admit this is the Sick Joke of the day: The President of Harvard sets up a Search Committee for a new Dean of Harvard Law School and includes on their Search Committee a notorious torture lawyer and war criminal. The Nazis had their law schools too. Ditto for the Illinois Nazis Law School. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 14:25:55 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:25:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Harvard Law School Dean Search References: Message-ID: And it just shows you how rotten, corrupt and despicable the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are for bringing Killer Koh out here in order to get Killer Clinton elected President. May they all be relegated to the proverbial Ashcan of History! Ditto for Harvard and Yale Law Schools! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:05 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: RE: Harvard Law School Dean Search Thanks for the elongated perspective Carl. Fab. The Greatest Generation? By Professor Francis A. Boyle 11 October, 2013 Countercurrents.org Oh really? If they were so great Then why did they send Their Sons so willingly Off to die In Vietnam A war they started While we suffered from 58,000 young men Of my generation Were murdered By The Greatest Generation Hundreds of Thousands Of our Lives were destroyed Plus 3 million genocided Vietnamese Not that “gooks” mattered to The Greatest Generation Then neither did we their Sons Why didn’t The Greatest Generation Rise up as One And tell the American Empire That you will not have our Sons Over our dead bodies! Hell no! They will not go! Why did The Greatest Generation Not fight for US their Sons Against the American Empire As they did against the German and Japanese Empires We the Sons of the Greatest Generation were not worth it They said they were liberating Peoples in Foreign Lands Then why did The Greatest Generation send their Sons To fight and die In that God-forsaken Land? And to murder millions living in their own Land? Was this some blood-sport we had to play With them as pony riders and US as buzkashi goat carcasses Was it reverse Freudian Oedipal Complex Them killing us off before we got to them And took their place Were we blood-sacrifice to Moloch With them as Priests And we as sacrificial lambs Were they our Abrahams Actually murdering US their Isaacs In a Holocaust To their Genocidal Yahweh Hard to say What was going on In the Minds of The Greatest Generation If anything at all Mindless Patriotism The last refuge of them Scoundrels! They knew all about War then sent their Sons marching off Into the Valley of Death Charge of the Light Brigade The result was predictable A Decimated Generation A Shattered Generation MY GENERATION! BUT WE ENDED THEIR DAMN WAR! The Greatest Generation? Hell no! A Pathetic Generation! May they ever be tormented By Their Own Son’s Souls Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include “ Palestine, Palestinians and International Law” (2003), and “ The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law” (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:50 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: Re: Harvard Law School Dean Search Actually, I think you’re skipping a generation (or more) here, Francis, in regard to the 'political class' (roughly the 20% of the US population who went to a ‘good’ college). [1] Halberstam’s "The Best and the Brightest" (1972) discussed the assault on Vietnam by JFK’s contemporaries - born ca. 1920. [2] Their sons and daughters were the baby boomers, including those who protested the Vietnam War, at Harvard and elsewhere. [3] Their grandsons and granddaughters (b. ca. 1970) are now protesting Trump (who’s not PLU) in a desperate attempt to revive the Democratic party against the world-wide threat of populism. [4] And the next generation are the much-touted millennials, who’ve grown up in an America of increasing (and accelerating) inequality - and have taken sides in it, in various ways. These generational views are I think visible even in what Chomsky once called "the academy for the passive and obedient” in Harvard Square. Regards, CGE > On Jan 13, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Of course, what else do you expect from Harvard: “The Best And The Brightest” indeed. Now we are dealing with the Sons and the Daughters of The Best And the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:52 AM > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram > Subject: RE: Harvard Law School Dean Search > > OK people. Now you really have to admit this is the Sick Joke of the day: The President of Harvard sets up a Search Committee for a new Dean of Harvard Law School and includes on their Search Committee a notorious torture lawyer and war criminal. The Nazis had their law schools too. Ditto for the Illinois Nazis Law School. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 13 14:29:41 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 14:29:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Harvard Law School Dean Search In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know it is a long read, but if you have a chance you should have a look at Charlie Savage's Power Wars. It explains what a Gang of Nazis Obama and his Harvard/Yale Law Mafia really are. And I am telling you that the Illinois Law Faculty are a Gang of Nazis too. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:26 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: RE: Harvard Law School Dean Search And it just shows you how rotten, corrupt and despicable the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are for bringing Killer Koh out here in order to get Killer Clinton elected President. May they all be relegated to the proverbial Ashcan of History! Ditto for Harvard and Yale Law Schools! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 8:05 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: RE: Harvard Law School Dean Search Thanks for the elongated perspective Carl. Fab. The Greatest Generation? By Professor Francis A. Boyle 11 October, 2013 Countercurrents.org Oh really? If they were so great Then why did they send Their Sons so willingly Off to die In Vietnam A war they started While we suffered from 58,000 young men Of my generation Were murdered By The Greatest Generation Hundreds of Thousands Of our Lives were destroyed Plus 3 million genocided Vietnamese Not that “gooks” mattered to The Greatest Generation Then neither did we their Sons Why didn’t The Greatest Generation Rise up as One And tell the American Empire That you will not have our Sons Over our dead bodies! Hell no! They will not go! Why did The Greatest Generation Not fight for US their Sons Against the American Empire As they did against the German and Japanese Empires We the Sons of the Greatest Generation were not worth it They said they were liberating Peoples in Foreign Lands Then why did The Greatest Generation send their Sons To fight and die In that God-forsaken Land? And to murder millions living in their own Land? Was this some blood-sport we had to play With them as pony riders and US as buzkashi goat carcasses Was it reverse Freudian Oedipal Complex Them killing us off before we got to them And took their place Were we blood-sacrifice to Moloch With them as Priests And we as sacrificial lambs Were they our Abrahams Actually murdering US their Isaacs In a Holocaust To their Genocidal Yahweh Hard to say What was going on In the Minds of The Greatest Generation If anything at all Mindless Patriotism The last refuge of them Scoundrels! They knew all about War then sent their Sons marching off Into the Valley of Death Charge of the Light Brigade The result was predictable A Decimated Generation A Shattered Generation MY GENERATION! BUT WE ENDED THEIR DAMN WAR! The Greatest Generation? Hell no! A Pathetic Generation! May they ever be tormented By Their Own Son’s Souls Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include “ Palestine, Palestinians and International Law” (2003), and “ The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law” (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 7:50 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: Re: Harvard Law School Dean Search Actually, I think you’re skipping a generation (or more) here, Francis, in regard to the 'political class' (roughly the 20% of the US population who went to a ‘good’ college). [1] Halberstam’s "The Best and the Brightest" (1972) discussed the assault on Vietnam by JFK’s contemporaries - born ca. 1920. [2] Their sons and daughters were the baby boomers, including those who protested the Vietnam War, at Harvard and elsewhere. [3] Their grandsons and granddaughters (b. ca. 1970) are now protesting Trump (who’s not PLU) in a desperate attempt to revive the Democratic party against the world-wide threat of populism. [4] And the next generation are the much-touted millennials, who’ve grown up in an America of increasing (and accelerating) inequality - and have taken sides in it, in various ways. These generational views are I think visible even in what Chomsky once called "the academy for the passive and obedient” in Harvard Square. Regards, CGE > On Jan 13, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Of course, what else do you expect from Harvard: “The Best And The Brightest” indeed. Now we are dealing with the Sons and the Daughters of The Best And the Brightest who gave us the Vietnam War. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 6:52 AM > To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; > sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David > Swanson ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel > ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; > Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; > Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson > ; Jay ; > Estabrook, Carl G ; Joe Lauria > ; David Green ; Karen Aram > > Subject: RE: Harvard Law School Dean Search > > OK people. Now you really have to admit this is the Sick Joke of the day: The President of Harvard sets up a Search Committee for a new Dean of Harvard Law School and includes on their Search Committee a notorious torture lawyer and war criminal. The Nazis had their law schools too. Ditto for the Illinois Nazis Law School. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 13 17:16:33 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:16:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Julian Assange will agree to Message-ID: Extradition if Obama pardons Chelsea Manning. Sent on my Virgin Mobile Phone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 14 00:45:32 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 18:45:32 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] P. Gregory Springer Message-ID: Greg Springer has posted notes on Facebook and online > that suggest suicide. If you know Greg, get in touch. I can’t find a phone number. --CGE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gregory Springer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8de2f1e2-d11f-f826-e15f-ed3de3f30b2d@illinois.edu> Though I don't know Greg personally, from his latest posting within the last half-hour, he seems to be fine. Good call, though. I remember when you'd pointed out an alarming posting by another friend, and were right. On 1/13/17 6:45 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: > Greg Springer has posted notes on Facebook and online > > > that suggest suicide. > > If you know Greg, get in touch. I can’t find a phone number. > > --CGE > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From salevy at illinois.edu Sat Jan 14 01:32:49 2017 From: salevy at illinois.edu (Stuart Levy) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:32:49 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] P. Gregory Springer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8de2f1e2-d11f-f826-e15f-ed3de3f30b2d@illinois.edu> Though I don't know Greg personally, from his latest posting within the last half-hour, he seems to be fine. Good call, though. I remember when you'd pointed out an alarming posting by another friend, and were right. On 1/13/17 6:45 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: > Greg Springer has posted notes on Facebook and online > > > that suggest suicide. > > If you know Greg, get in touch. I can’t find a phone number. > > --CGE > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 14 02:33:26 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:33:26 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] p. Gregory Springer Message-ID: About 7:30pm (Chicago time) he posted to his Facebook page from Mexico City. From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jan 14 02:33:26 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:33:26 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] p. Gregory Springer Message-ID: About 7:30pm (Chicago time) he posted to his Facebook page from Mexico City. From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 14 17:08:16 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Will Trump Be Better for Latin America than Obama? 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.yiv2616102025footerContainer .yiv2616102025mcnTextContent p{color:#5a5050;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:150%;text-align:left;}#yiv2616102025 #yiv2616102025 .yiv2616102025footerContainer .yiv2616102025mcnTextContent a{color:#5091c2;font-weight:normal;text-decoration:none;}#yiv2616102025 >From Center for Economic and Policy Research | | | | | From Center for Economic and Policy Research | | View this email in your browser | | | | | | | | | | | | | Will Trump Be Better for Latin America than Obama?   by Alexander Main | | | | | | | | | This article was published by Jacobin on January 13, 2017. A version of this article was published in French by Le Monde diplomatique on December 29, 2016. If you would like to reprint it, please include a link to the original. If this email was forwarded to you, subscribe to CEPR's email lists here. The 2016 US election results provoked shock and horror in many parts of the world but probably in no place more than Latin America. All along the campaign trail the election winner vilified Latin American immigrants and promised to build a wall along the U.S. southern border (paid for by Mexico) to keep the “rapists and drug traffickers” out. While campaigning in Florida he talked of fighting “oppression” in Venezuela and of reversing President Obama’s tentative diplomatic opening toward Cuba, a move that had been universally applauded by Latin American governments.  Yet not everyone in Latin America forecast gloom and doom with the election of Donald Trump. Asked which US presidential candidate would be better for the region, Ecuadorean president Rafael Correa didn’t hesitate: Trump … because he is so crude that he will generate a reaction in Latin America which will build more support for progressive governments. … We have a US government that has changed little in its policies and has done practically the same as it always has, but has a charming president in Obama. Notwithstanding the recent effort to normalize relations with Cuba (limited by the continuing embargo against the island), there is indeed little evidence that the US administration’s Latin American agenda has evolved much since the George W. Bush years. The question is whether or not the erratic and unpredictable next president will in fact carry on with business as usual in Latin America and what his presidency will mean for a region presently rocked by economic and political disruptions, with some observers considering that a “progressive cycle” of left governments has run its course.  ***** The Latin American policy playbook that Trump will soon inherit from Obama rests on a set of broad strategic objectives for the region often referred to by the State Department as  “prosperity,” “security,” and “democracy and governance.” The US “prosperity” agenda involves, first of all, the promotion of so-called free trade agreements (FTAs) between the US and regional partners. Obama picked up where George W. Bush left off, lobbying successfully for congressional approval of the Panama and Colombia FTAs negotiated by his predecessor, despite ongoing killings of Colombian labor activists and the strident opposition of most Democrats.   A second key “prosperity” objective is the promotion of neoliberal reforms – austerity measures, deregulation, decreased tariffs, market liberalization, etc.  Over the last 15 years this goal has been complicated by the fact that many countries have broken free of the International Monetary Fund and the Fund’s Washington-driven policy prescriptions (which had contributed to the “lost decades” of the 1980s and 1990s and reduced or halted progress on social indicators). However, the Obama administration has successfully leveraged assistance to poorer countries to push for market reforms benefiting transnational investors and generating economic turmoil for average people. In late 2014 the State Department supported the launch of the Alliance for Prosperity Plan for Central America’s poverty-stricken Northern Triangle region– an ambitious transnational-friendly development program that builds off the Bush era Plan Puebla Panama. Washington’s “security” strategy for the region is rooted to a large extent in the militarized anti-drug and counterinsurgency programs developed under previous administrations. Under Clinton and Bush, billions of dollars of military aid went to Plan Colombia, supporting vast military offensives and contributing to thousands of civilian deaths and the displacement of millions while having no significant impact on cocaine production. Plan Colombia continued under Obama and was subsequently seen as a model for similar programs in Mexico (Mérida Initiative) and Central America (Central America Regional Security Initiative).  Under these programs, Mexican and Central American army and militarized police units have been deployed on a massive scale to crack down on drug trafficking and organized crime despite many of these units being allegedly involved in criminal activities themselves. An unprecedented wave of lethal violence has followed, taking with it not only alleged criminals and innumerable innocent bystanders, but also a shocking number of local social activists, especially in Honduras, a major recipient of US security assistance. Journalist and researcher Dawn Paley has shown how violence and community displacement resulting from the US-backed “drug war” have helped open up previously unavailable resource-rich territories to transnational firms. The “democracy and governance” agenda that Obama is passing on to Trump can initially appear to be apolitical and focused on “institution building” and strengthening rule of law, among other seemingly benign initiatives. The leaked State Department cables published by WikiLeaks in late 2010 and 2011 provide a contrasting perspective on this agenda. Among other things, the cables show US diplomats deploying well-honed methods of “soft” internal intervention – including the leveraging of US assistance programs, multilateral loans and “democracy promotion” grants – to undermine, co-opt or remove Left political movements, particularly those thought to be close to Venezuelan president Hugo Chávez. Other US efforts to roll back the Latin American left have taken place out in the open.  On June 28 2009, left-leaning Honduran president Manuel Zelaya – who had riled his country’s elite and the U.S. government by deepening relations with Venezuela and pushing for a constituent assembly – was kidnapped at gunpoint by the military and flown to nearby Costa Rica. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton refused to formally recognize that a military coup had occurred, which would have triggered the suspension of most U.S. assistance. She also actively sought to prevent Zelaya from returning to Honduras. Later, the US government announced it would recognize the results of Honduras’ November 29 elections without the prior restoration of Zelaya, as demanded by Latin American governments.  This brazen unilateral and anti-democratic move sparked outrage throughout the region. But the US doubled down and threw all of its weight behind Honduras’ subsequent repressive, rightwing governments. The State Department and Department of Defense have ramped up security assistance to Honduras while largely ignoring rampant government corruption and dozens of assassinations of social leaders such as renowned indigenous activist Berta Cáceres.      Aided in great part by the dire economic winds sweeping across Latin America, the Bush-Obama agenda has made notable strides over the last few years. The US arch nemesis, Venezuela, is mired in a prolonged economic and political crisis and has ceased playing a significant regional role. Following Chávez’s death in 2013, the US has intermittently supported dialogue and the destabilization tactics of radical opposition sectors. As the administration pursued its Cuba opening it hardened its Venezuela policy with a new sanctions regime in late 2014. Meanwhile, the former pillars of South American integration – Argentina and Brazil – are now in the hands of right-wing governments, following 12 years of left-leaning governments. The Obama administration did its bit to support these transitions, imposing a damaging ban on multilateral loans to Christina Kirchner’s government (quickly lifted after Kirchner’s party lost the 2015 elections) and providing diplomatic support to Brazil’s interim government while the controversial impeachment (or “soft” coup) against President Dilma Rousseff was still underway. The political panorama today is starkly different from the one Obama encountered eight years ago when the Left controlled most of the region and was boldly asserting its independence. Upon leaving office, Obama could point to one foreign policy success story to counterbalance his lackluster record in the Middle East and Eastern Europe. Honduras, Paraguay, Argentina, Brazil … one by one, left governments had fallen and the US had recovered a significant portion of its past influence in the region. Fidel Castro’s death, just two and a half weeks after Trump’s election, seemed to portend a resurgence of the hegemon and the beginning of a dark, uncertain time for the Latin American Left.  ******* “Today, the world marks the passing of a brutal dictator who oppressed his own people for nearly six decades.” Trump’s statement on the Cuban leader’s passing contrasted sharply with the neutral and somewhat respectful tone of President Obama’s statement which noted that “history will record and judge the enormous impact of this singular figure” and offered condolences to Castro’s family. Trump’s pugnacious words suggested that he might deliver on his Florida campaign promises and adopt more aggressive policies toward Cuba, Venezuela and other left governments. Predicting what Trump will do next has consistently proven to be a near-impossible task. He has shown himself to be a volatile, capricious demagogue with a keen ability to tap into the frustrations and anxieties of mostly-white sectors of the middle and lower classes – “the forgotten ones.” He appears to have no clear vision or guiding principles apart from obsessive self-promotion, nor does he seem particularly interested in the details of policy.  Nonetheless, Trump’s cabinet picks to date furnish clues regarding his administration’s possible foreign policy orientations. So far at least two tendencies stand out: a strengthening of the trend toward further militarization of US foreign policy and an obsession over the perceived threat posed by Iran and so-called “radical Islam.” Both tendencies could have a real impact on U.S. Latin America policy.  Though he took anti-interventionist stances during the campaign and castigated “the generals” for not “doing the job” Trump has now picked more former military men for top national security positions than under any administration since World War II. Retired general James “Mad Dog” Mattis, Trump’s nominee for Secretary of Defense, and retired General Michael Flynn, his choice for National Security Advisor, are both rumored to have been fired by the Obama administration because of their hawkish and extreme stances on Iran and “radical Islam.” Asked what the gravest threats are to the US, Mattis has said “Iran, Iran, Iran” and has even suggested that Iran is behind ISIS despite the group’s extreme opposition to the Islamic Republic and Shia Islam. General Flynn, slated to be Trump’s closest advisor on foreign affairs, has tied the Iranian and Islamic terrorist “threats” to Latin American left governments. In a July 2016 op-ed he wrote”: “We’re in a global war, facing an enemy alliance that runs from Pyongyang, North Korea, to Havana, Cuba, and Caracas, Venezuela.” Retired General John Kelly, Trump’s nominee for the Department of Homeland Security and former head of the military’s Western Hemisphere theater of operations, has warned members of Congress about Iran and radical Islamic groups promoting terrorist cells and about “the financial and operational overlap between criminal and terrorist networks in the region.” This view is shared by other top foreign policy picks like Yleen Poblete, former top staffer for Cuban-American Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen and promoter of the 2012 Countering Iran in the Western Hemisphere Act. Though these ideas gained little traction while Obama was in power, they could well feature prominently in Latin America policy under Trump, supplanting Venezuelan Bolivarianism as the primary regional bugbear.  Efforts to undermine and remove left governments could be further justified by their ties to Iran. Security programs could receive additional support to combat supposed terrorist infiltration of organized crime networks. Even if these alleged threats don’t become a major priority in the next administration’s Latin America strategy, the Bush-Obama “security” and “democracy” policy trends will still likely intensify. The expansion of the Plan Colombia model will likely continue – possibly incorporating new regions, such as South America’s Tri-border area, long described as ripe terrain for terrorism by U.S. intelligence agencies.   Should Trump’s civilian Secretary of State nominee Rex Tillerson oppose the rampant militarization of regional security policy, he will encounter stiff resistance from two sources: the State Department bureaucracy, which itself has become increasingly militarized (particularly its well-funded Bureau of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs) and the military industrial complex, which will be represented at the highest levels of the next administration. In addition, the Trump administration can be expected to build on Obama’s Latin American “success story” and aggressively pursue US political hegemony in the region. Supporting efforts to further destabilize and isolate Venezuela will likely be high on the list as well as weakening other Left governments through the methods detailed in the leaked cables in addition to more clandestine methods, of which General Flynn, formerly steeped in the world of covert operations, is an expert. It isn’t clear whether Trump will reverse Obama’s tentative opening with Cuba (which would be opposed by sectors of the US business community which undoubtedly have Trump’s ear) but he’s likely to deploy more resources from the “democracy promotion” toolbox to weaken the Cuban government.  However, serious obstacles could derail this agenda. Certainly, as Correa pointed out, the “crude” and offensive style of the future president and his team will generate fresh animus toward the US government and provide Latin Americans with renewed motivation to pursue an independent path. Other factors may play an even greater role in distancing the U.S. from the region.  If Trump follows through on his promise of re-negotiating trade agreements and imposing tariffs on various products that compete with domestic manufacturing, he will do more than Presidents Chávez, Lula and Kirchner ever managed to do to undermine Washington’s pro-corporate trade agenda in Latin America. Of course, whether Trump will act on this plan is an open question (like so many of his campaign promises). While his Commerce Secretary pick Wilbur Ross has defended some protectionist positions, Trump will face heated opposition from the majority of the US corporate elite, including a number of his own cabinet picks and powerful Republicans in Congress, to increased restrictions on trade (except for those which strengthen patents and copyrights). Possibly the biggest factor that could thwart US efforts to reassert its regional hegemony is China. The extraordinary increase in Chinese investment, trade, and loans in the region has already greatly contributed to limiting US economic and financial leverage in many Latin American countries. Trade between China and Latin America grew from around $13 billion in 2000 to $262 billion in 2013, making China the region’s second-largest export market. Chinese investment – while not always positive from an environmental or social point of view – has largely come with no domestic policy conditions attached, contrary to many US-supported loans and investment projects. In sum, the economic expansion of China in the region has been a boon to Latin American left governments – providing them with breathing room to enact bold, progressive policies that have helped lift tens of millions of people out of poverty. From 2002 to 2014, poverty in Latin America fell from 44 to 28 percent, after increasing over the prior 22 years. With China’s recent economic slowdown, Chinese demand for Latin American commodities has receded, with a negative impact on a number of Latin American economies. But China appears to be growing more economically and politically assertive in the region. The death of Obama’s Trans Pacific Partnership trade agreement, which included several large Latin American economies, has created a new opening for expanded Chinese trade and investment in the region, as Chinese President Xi Jinping made clear during a late November trip to Chile, Ecuador and Peru. In addition, China knows that it will soon be dealing with an unpredictable and potentially more hostile US administration that has signaled its intention to counter Chinese influence in Eastern Asia. As Xi’s recent call for a “new era in relations with Latin America” shows, the Chinese government appears to recognize that they have a geostrategic interest in further expanding commercial and diplomatic relations in the US’ proverbial “backyard.” Thus, while the Trump administration may try to tighten the US’s grip on the region, Latin Americans should still have the wherewithal to counter US hegemony and achieve their own, homegrown version of a prosperity, democracy and security agenda. Alexander Main is Senior Associate for International Policy at the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, DC. | | | | | | | The Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) is an independent, nonpartisan think tank that was established to promote democratic debate on the most important economic and social issues that affect people's lives. 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Estabrook) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:53:45 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] UPTV programs for the second week of 2017 In-Reply-To: <95CA6AE9-8757-4079-9CB2-4832F4381DB8@illinois.edu> References: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net> <95CA6AE9-8757-4079-9CB2-4832F4381DB8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: AWARE ON THE AIR - Episode #395 | Tuesday 10 January 2017 | Members and friends of AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, present a weekly hour of discussion of the US government's war-making and its attendant racism. This week C. G. Estabrook presents anti-war comments by Medea Benjamin, Pepe Escobar, Chris Hedges, Bill Kauffman, and Kathy Kelly. > Produced and directed by Yousef Kash for Urbana (IL) Public TV. NEWS FROM NEPTUNE - Episode #326, a Last-Minute Usurpation edition | Friday 13 January 2017 | >. Since 1990, News from Neptune has been a weekly hour of spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its coverage by the media, first on a soi-disant community radio station, and now on Urbana (IL) Public TV. This edition was produced and directed by Yousef Kash. The discussants are C. G. Estabrook and David Green. ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 15 01:53:45 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:53:45 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] UPTV programs for the second week of 2017 In-Reply-To: <95CA6AE9-8757-4079-9CB2-4832F4381DB8@illinois.edu> References: <2e2e33b754febf97f0d8bcf73b1f6ae6@shout.net> <95CA6AE9-8757-4079-9CB2-4832F4381DB8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: AWARE ON THE AIR - Episode #395 | Tuesday 10 January 2017 | Members and friends of AWARE, the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, present a weekly hour of discussion of the US government's war-making and its attendant racism. This week C. G. Estabrook presents anti-war comments by Medea Benjamin, Pepe Escobar, Chris Hedges, Bill Kauffman, and Kathy Kelly. > Produced and directed by Yousef Kash for Urbana (IL) Public TV. NEWS FROM NEPTUNE - Episode #326, a Last-Minute Usurpation edition | Friday 13 January 2017 | >. Since 1990, News from Neptune has been a weekly hour of spontaneous and unrehearsed discussion of the news of the week and its coverage by the media, first on a soi-disant community radio station, and now on Urbana (IL) Public TV. This edition was produced and directed by Yousef Kash. The discussants are C. G. Estabrook and David Green. ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Sun Jan 15 17:02:04 2017 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:02:04 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules Message-ID: <52a5d2c9-6523-e863-e45d-1f803cac3769@gmail.com> Just before leaving office, the Obama administration posts new rules allowing many agencies to scan NSA's mass surveillance data. Analysts "can only search the raw data for information about Americans for foreign intelligence and counterinsurgency". That might sound like an improvement (if you're an American, anyway), but: “if analysts stumble across evidence that an American has committed *any crime*, they will send it to the Justice Department." Even if there had been no warrant, no probable cause to search for information about you, mass surveillance data being scanned for other people might lead to charges against you. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has a petition - let the Obama Administration know they're doing the wrong thing. https://act.eff.org/action/tell-obama-stop-mass-surveillance-under-executive-order-12333 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 15 19:17:02 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 19:17:02 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: [Peace] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules In-Reply-To: <52a5d2c9-6523-e863-e45d-1f803cac3769@gmail.com> References: <52a5d2c9-6523-e863-e45d-1f803cac3769@gmail.com> Message-ID: Way to go Obama! Strengthening the American Police State then immediately handing it over to the Trumpster. That’s passing the American Imperial Baton for you. Obama was miseducated on Constitutional Law at Harvard Law School by Larry Tribe. Today Larry represents the Coal Industry helping them to better pollute, poison and murder our Children. That’s what a Harvard Law Diseducation and Degree will do for you. Ditto for Illinois Nazis Law School. But when the Trumpster comes to power, Big Coal will no longer need to pay Larry Big Bucks to prostitute himself for them in Court. Speaking of Harvard F. Law School (as we students used to call it there), years ago, when Obama was in the Illinois General Assembly, our Black Law Students Association had him come over here to give a lecture at 5pm. The reason why it was so late was that Obama had work to do in Springfield, then drive over here. So at 5 to 5, I went down to the law school auditorium, sat next to Obama, introduced myself while shaking his hand and telling him I was ahead of him at Harvard Law School. I then apologized for the fact that I could not stay around for his lecture due to the lateness of the hour having to get home for dinner with my family. He told me that of course my Family had to come first and he understood. I then shook his hand again and wished him well, and headed home. As far as I could tell, I was the only law professor to show up that evening for Obama. I never heard from Obama again. But we certainly gave a nice little reception to Obama’s Fellow Harvard Law Mafia, War Consigliere and Droner in Chief Killer Koh on October 28 at the invite of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty in order to get Obama’s Secretary of State/War Yale Law Mafia Killer Clinton elected president ten days later. People are free to disagree, but if you look at all the massive warmongering against Russia going on today, on November 8 we dodged the Bullet of War with Russia. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Stuart Levy via Peace Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:02 AM To: Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules Just before leaving office, the Obama administration posts new rules allowing many agencies to scan NSA's mass surveillance data. Analysts "can only search the raw data for information about Americans for foreign intelligence and counterinsurgency". That might sound like an improvement (if you're an American, anyway), but: “if analysts stumble across evidence that an American has committed any crime, they will send it to the Justice Department." Even if there had been no warrant, no probable cause to search for information about you, mass surveillance data being scanned for other people might lead to charges against you. 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We’re not out of the woods yet. —CGE > On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > ...if you look at all the massive warmongering against Russia going on today, on November 8 we dodged the Bullet of War with Russia. From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 15 20:28:16 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 20:28:16 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules In-Reply-To: <06E6D987-44C9-4718-86B0-E0EC116C5CFD@illinois.edu> References: <52a5d2c9-6523-e863-e45d-1f803cac3769@gmail.com> <06E6D987-44C9-4718-86B0-E0EC116C5CFD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: We’re not out of the woods yet. —CGE ---------------------------------- You are exactly right Carl. Obama and his Gang of Criminals could do anything between now and Friday at 12 Noon-- and beyond that. Just look at the massive warmongering and war maneuvers against Russia they are doing now, backed up by almost all of the Mainstream News Media and the Dems. Anything could happen. Anything could get out of control. Anything could go wrong. During the Height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, when JFK was trying to prevent World War III, the Pentagon deliberately sent a U2 Spy Plane above the Soviet Union, where it was shot down--a deliberate DOD provocation for starting war. Instead, JFK shrugged it off, saying something to the effect: "There is always one dumb son of a bitch somewhere down the line who does not get the message!" Right now we are dealing with GANGS of SOBS all over the place. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 1:53 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: Re: [Peace] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules I thinks that’s true, but the political establishment/neocons think they can still get their war on, either by cozening or coercing Trump. Obama’s outgoing provocations and propaganda are astonishing. We’re not out of the woods yet. —CGE > On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > ...if you look at all the massive warmongering against Russia going on today, on November 8 we dodged the Bullet of War with Russia. From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 15 20:35:56 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 20:35:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules References: <52a5d2c9-6523-e863-e45d-1f803cac3769@gmail.com> <06E6D987-44C9-4718-86B0-E0EC116C5CFD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are all a Gang of SOBs for playing their dirty role in this on October 28. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 2:28 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: RE: [Peace] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules We’re not out of the woods yet. —CGE ---------------------------------- You are exactly right Carl. Obama and his Gang of Criminals could do anything between now and Friday at 12 Noon-- and beyond that. Just look at the massive warmongering and war maneuvers against Russia they are doing now, backed up by almost all of the Mainstream News Media and the Dems. Anything could happen. Anything could get out of control. Anything could go wrong. During the Height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, when JFK was trying to prevent World War III, the Pentagon deliberately sent a U2 Spy Plane above the Soviet Union, where it was shot down--a deliberate DOD provocation for starting war. Instead, JFK shrugged it off, saying something to the effect: "There is always one dumb son of a bitch somewhere down the line who does not get the message!" Right now we are dealing with GANGS of SOBS all over the place. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 1:53 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: Re: [Peace] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules I thinks that’s true, but the political establishment/neocons think they can still get their war on, either by cozening or coercing Trump. Obama’s outgoing provocations and propaganda are astonishing. We’re not out of the woods yet. —CGE > On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > ...if you look at all the massive warmongering against Russia going on today, on November 8 we dodged the Bullet of War with Russia. From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 15 20:36:33 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 20:36:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules In-Reply-To: References: <52a5d2c9-6523-e863-e45d-1f803cac3769@gmail.com> <06E6D987-44C9-4718-86B0-E0EC116C5CFD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Francis, both you and Carl are right. But, Francis, you’ve one upped Kennedy, no one could have said it better than you did just now. LOL : ) > On Jan 15, 2017, at 12:28, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > We’re not out of the woods yet. —CGE > ---------------------------------- > You are exactly right Carl. Obama and his Gang of Criminals could do anything between now and Friday at 12 Noon-- and beyond that. Just look at the massive warmongering and war maneuvers against Russia they are doing now, backed up by almost all of the Mainstream News Media and the Dems. Anything could happen. Anything could get out of control. Anything could go wrong. During the Height of the Cuban Missile Crisis, when JFK was trying to prevent World War III, the Pentagon deliberately sent a U2 Spy Plane above the Soviet Union, where it was shot down--a deliberate DOD provocation for starting war. Instead, JFK shrugged it off, saying something to the effect: "There is always one dumb son of a bitch somewhere down the line who does not get the message!" Right now we are dealing with GANGS of SOBS all over the place. > Fab. > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 1:53 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram > Subject: Re: [Peace] EFF petition against new mass surveillance rules > > I thinks that’s true, but the political establishment/neocons think they can still get their war on, either by cozening or coercing Trump. > > Obama’s outgoing provocations and propaganda are astonishing. > > We’re not out of the woods yet. —CGE > > >> On Jan 15, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> ...if you look at all the massive warmongering against Russia going on today, on November 8 we dodged the Bullet of War with Russia. > From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 00:16:07 2017 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 18:16:07 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Alex Steffen on the "carbon bubble": "Trump, Putin and the Pipelines to Nowhere" Message-ID: This article on the climate-change-denial culture (from Alex Steffen, in mid-Dec) is important I think. It turns the gee-it's-so-difficult-to-all-come-together how-will-we-ever-come-to-agreement kind of discussion of climate change, and turns it into a class-struggle argument. The idea: We are living in an economic carbon bubble, liable to burst. The (monetary) values of things we rely on to be stable, like land values in coastal cities, or the basis of shareholders' value in fossil-fuel companies which assume that fossil reserves can be extracted & sold, are subject to enormous shifts as climate change goes forward. This would be a far greater shift than the 2008 banking collapse. With this framing, we understand that climate-change deniers in government and industry are playing a confidence game. They may well understand that the bubble will burst in time, due to physical changes and political ones. What they're trying to do is to keep the bubble inflated for as long as possible before people stop believing in it, because the longer it persists the longer they can profit from it. So it's not us vs. the marshmallow of international consensus, it's us vs. fossil-fuel profiteers on a grander scale than the Wall St. bankers. Steffen does take up the Dems' line on the Russians, using this as an explanation for why they'd be interested in the US election. But you don't have to accept that to find the rest of the argument illuminating. (Thank you to environmentalist Katie Mimnaugh, Bcc'ed here, for pointing out this article!) *Trump, Putin and the Pipelines to Nowhere** */You can’t understand what Trump’s doing to America without understanding the “Carbon Bubble” /Alex Steffen/ / https://medium.com/@AlexSteffen/trump-putin-and-the-pipelines-to-nowhere-742d745ce8fd#.7xynwnxff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 03:05:02 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 03:05:02 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 Message-ID: 26 years ago on a Sunday evening Ramsey Clark, Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez of Texas and I agreed to set up a National Campaign to Impeach President George Bush Sr in order to prevent his war against Iraq. Ramsey asked me to do the first draft of what later became the Gonzalez Impeachment Resolution against President Bush Sr set forth below. We did not stop that war. But in his Memoirs Bush stated that the reason he stopped the war at Basra and did not go all the way to Baghdad was that he feared impeachment. Fab. -----Original Message----- From: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com [mailto:nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:50 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] Henry Gonzalez Resol'n to Impeach Bush I (1991) Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Jan 18, 2006 The Gonzalez Resolution to Impeach George Bush Congressional Record, Jan. 16, 1991, at H520-21. RESOLUTION OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas [Mr. GONZALEZ] is recognized for 60 minutes. Mr. GONZALEZ, Madam Speaker, it is with great sadness, and yet with equally great, if not greater, conviction, that I introduce today a resolution of impeachment of President Bush. It is known as House Resolution 34, and I will provide this resolution as introduced to be appended at the end of my remarks today. At a time when our Nation is deeply divided over the question of war, we find ourselves on the brink of a world war of such magnitude that our minds cannot fully comprehend the destruction that is about to be leveled. The position we are in is a direct result of the actions of one man and the reactions of another. The Iraqi people are as opposed to war as are the American people. The difference is that the Iraqi people have no choice but to support their country's leader, but the American people not only have the right to oppose and speak out in disagreement with the President, but they have the responsibility to do so if our democracy is to be preserved. Today I exercise this constitutional right and responsibility to speak out in opposition to war in the Middle East and in support of removal of our Nation's Chief Executive. When I took the oath of office earlier this month, as I had numerous times before, I swore to uphold the Constitution. The President's oath was the same, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. We did not pledge an oath of allegiance to the President but to the Constitution, which is the highest law of the land. The Constitution provides for removal of the President when he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, including violations of the principles of the Constitution. President Bush has violated these principles. My resolution has five articles of impeachment. First, the President has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Our soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American or Hispanic-American. They may be volunteers technically, but their voluntarism is based on the coercion of a system that has denied viable opportunities to these classes of our citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and the minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. Let me add that since 1981 we have suffered the Reagan-Bush and now the Bush war against the poor, and to add insult to injury, we now are asking the poor to fight while here, as a result of this fight, even the meager programs that the Congress had seen fit to preserve as a national policy will suffer because the money for those programs will be diverted to the cause of this unnecessary war. Article II of this resolution states that the President has violated the Constitution, Federal law, and the U.N. Charter by bribing, intimidating, and threatening others, including the members of the U.N. Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. It is clear that the President paid off members of the U.N. Security Council in return for their votes in support of war against Iraq or to abstain from voting contrariwise. The debt of Egypt was, for example, forgiven--$7 billion, without congressional approval. That, I think, casts doubtful validity on that Presidential action. The reason for the cancellation of that debt is so that we can then provide an equally enormous amount of armament for Egypt which it cannot obtain because of the debt outstanding. A $140 million loan to China was agreed to. The Soviet Union was promised over $7 billion in aid. This is a sum totally unreported in our country but very well discussed in foreign country presses such as Germany and others. Colombia was promised assistance to its armed forces. Zaire was promised military assistance and partial forgiveness of its debt. Saudi Arabia was promised $12 billion in arms, and more than that. Actually in October, the President let them have $2.2 billion, and there was a commitment for $21 billion more, but because of the outcry in Congress and the Israeli opposition, that is being postponed. But there is still a commitment for $22 billion. I am sure this month will see the initial efforts to bring about compliance with that commitment. Yemen was threatened with the termination of support, and the United States finally paid off $187 million of its debt to the United Nations after the vote President Bush sought was made. This is all so ironic. When our President ran for the U.S. Senate in the 1960's, he told the people of Texas that if he would be elected to the Senate, he would lead the fight to remove the United States from the United Nations if what he called Red China at that time was admitted. Fate and power almighty have a very, very mysterious way of working together. Who was to believe during that year in that race in Texas that years later this same man, now the President, would be the man the President would appoint to represent us in the United Nations and welcome Red China as a member of the United Nations. The vote was bought, and it will be paid for with the lives of our poor elements who are going to shoulder the fight. Article III states that the President has conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq, employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. No civilian lives have yet been lost that we know of, but when we start using the weapons of massive destruction that are in place for this war, there is no doubt that thousands of innocent civilians will lose their lives. As killings occur, the principles laid down in the Nuremberg trials will be applicable. Their deaths will not only be a moral outrage, they will constitute violations of international law. Article IV states that the President has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the U.N. Charter and international law. From August 1990 through January 1991 the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers lives were in jeopardy, rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. It is also ironic that what we have ended up with now is that the President has exchanged about 200 to 250 so-called hostages, Americans, all of them employees of oil companies in Kuwait or Iraq, and in exchange we now have close to 500,000 American soldiers as hostages. Hostages to the whims, the caprices, and the decisions and judgments made by other leaders, over which this President and our country has no control, all the way from Shamir of Israel to the immigrants in the Saudi sands. Article 5 states that the President has conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq, in violation of article 24 of the U.N. Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. Again, there is a violation of law by a President, who, believing and acting as if he is king, decides for the country, unilaterally, that war is the answer. Madam Speaker, it is a sad day for our country, and it will be an even sadder day once the fighting starts. President Bush must be stopped. A divided Congress reflecting the divided country is no way to conduct a war. The preservation of lives is at stake, and the preservation of our country, indeed, our democracy, is at stake as well. I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. All I ask is a hearing, as I have before, before the proper committee of proper jurisdiction, and that is it. I will argue the case there. The rest is up to the Members' judgment. Madam Speaker, I urge interest and support of this resolution, and to stand up to the President on behalf of the soldiers who will die, the civilians who will be massacred, and the Constitution that will be destroyed if this country goes to war in the Middle East. 102nd Congress H.Res.86 1st Session ____/s/ Henry B.Gonzalez____ Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. _______________________________________________ IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 21, 1991 (originally January 16, 1991) Mr. GONZALEZ submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Judiciary. ________________________________________________ A RESOLUTION Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Resolved, That George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the Senate: Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of all of the people of the United States of America, against George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors. ARTICLE I In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. U.S. soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American, and their military service is based on the coercion of an system that has denied viable economic opportunities to these classes of citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE II In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the U.S. Constitution, federal law and the United Nations Charter by bribing, intimidating and threatening others, including the members of the United Nations Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE III In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prepared, planned, and conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. This planning includes the placement and potential use of nuclear weapons, and the use of such indiscriminate weapons and massive killings by serial bombardment, or otherwise, of civilians violates the Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1923, the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Protocol I thereto, the Nuremberg Charter, the Genocide Convention and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE IV In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the United Nations Charter and international law. From August, 1990, through January, 1991, the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers' lives were in jeopardy - rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. The President has not received a declaration of war by Congress, and in contravention of the written word, the spirit, and the intent of the U.S. Constitution has declared that he will go to war regardless of the views of Congress and the American people. In failing to seek a declaration of war, and in declaring his intent to violate the Constitution in disregarding the acts of Congress - including the War Powers Resolution - George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE V In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has planned, prepared, and conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq in violation of Article 2(4) of the United Nations Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. * ================================================================ .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org .List Archives: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ .Subscribe: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:05 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War That should do it. Have the Constituent request the meeting and then bring you in with him/her to argue the case. They are taking a Thanksgiving Break so he should be returning home from DC soon. We need to stop this before Americans and Russians kill each other in Syria. A Bill of Impeachment would send a shot across the bow of the Harvard Law Grad Obama. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War I am not in his district, but a neighboring one; on his email list and contact him on various matters from time to time. I can probably did up a constituent to go with me. ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:54 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War Actually the best way is for someone living in his District to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. MOCs have to respond to their constituents. They don’t care all that much about non-constituents. Based upon my experience dealing with them over the years. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War The best way is for someone to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:47 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War Justin Amash? Any idea on how to persuade him to do so? KL ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Power To Declare War In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL From "The Hill:" Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 03:38:25 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 03:38:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 Message-ID: And if I remember correctly in his book Thucydides looked at 27 years of unmitigated warfare by his Athenian Republic and argued that in fact they constituted one extended war, which he called The Peloponnesian War. Well I look at the past 27 years of unmitigated warfare by the American Republic in order to steal the oil and gas of the Middle East and Central Asia and call it one extended war: The Hydrocarbon War. Will we suffer the same Fate as Athens? Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:05 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 26 years ago on a Sunday evening Ramsey Clark, Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez of Texas and I agreed to set up a National Campaign to Impeach President George Bush Sr in order to prevent his war against Iraq. Ramsey asked me to do the first draft of what later became the Gonzalez Impeachment Resolution against President Bush Sr set forth below. We did not stop that war. But in his Memoirs Bush stated that the reason he stopped the war at Basra and did not go all the way to Baghdad was that he feared impeachment. Fab. -----Original Message----- From: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com [mailto:nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:50 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] Henry Gonzalez Resol'n to Impeach Bush I (1991) Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Jan 18, 2006 The Gonzalez Resolution to Impeach George Bush Congressional Record, Jan. 16, 1991, at H520-21. RESOLUTION OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas [Mr. GONZALEZ] is recognized for 60 minutes. Mr. GONZALEZ, Madam Speaker, it is with great sadness, and yet with equally great, if not greater, conviction, that I introduce today a resolution of impeachment of President Bush. It is known as House Resolution 34, and I will provide this resolution as introduced to be appended at the end of my remarks today. At a time when our Nation is deeply divided over the question of war, we find ourselves on the brink of a world war of such magnitude that our minds cannot fully comprehend the destruction that is about to be leveled. The position we are in is a direct result of the actions of one man and the reactions of another. The Iraqi people are as opposed to war as are the American people. The difference is that the Iraqi people have no choice but to support their country's leader, but the American people not only have the right to oppose and speak out in disagreement with the President, but they have the responsibility to do so if our democracy is to be preserved. Today I exercise this constitutional right and responsibility to speak out in opposition to war in the Middle East and in support of removal of our Nation's Chief Executive. When I took the oath of office earlier this month, as I had numerous times before, I swore to uphold the Constitution. The President's oath was the same, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. We did not pledge an oath of allegiance to the President but to the Constitution, which is the highest law of the land. The Constitution provides for removal of the President when he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, including violations of the principles of the Constitution. President Bush has violated these principles. My resolution has five articles of impeachment. First, the President has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Our soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American or Hispanic-American. They may be volunteers technically, but their voluntarism is based on the coercion of a system that has denied viable opportunities to these classes of our citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and the minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. Let me add that since 1981 we have suffered the Reagan-Bush and now the Bush war against the poor, and to add insult to injury, we now are asking the poor to fight while here, as a result of this fight, even the meager programs that the Congress had seen fit to preserve as a national policy will suffer because the money for those programs will be diverted to the cause of this unnecessary war. Article II of this resolution states that the President has violated the Constitution, Federal law, and the U.N. Charter by bribing, intimidating, and threatening others, including the members of the U.N. Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. It is clear that the President paid off members of the U.N. Security Council in return for their votes in support of war against Iraq or to abstain from voting contrariwise. The debt of Egypt was, for example, forgiven--$7 billion, without congressional approval. That, I think, casts doubtful validity on that Presidential action. The reason for the cancellation of that debt is so that we can then provide an equally enormous amount of armament for Egypt which it cannot obtain because of the debt outstanding. A $140 million loan to China was agreed to. The Soviet Union was promised over $7 billion in aid. This is a sum totally unreported in our country but very well discussed in foreign country presses such as Germany and others. Colombia was promised assistance to its armed forces. Zaire was promised military assistance and partial forgiveness of its debt. Saudi Arabia was promised $12 billion in arms, and more than that. Actually in October, the President let them have $2.2 billion, and there was a commitment for $21 billion more, but because of the outcry in Congress and the Israeli opposition, that is being postponed. But there is still a commitment for $22 billion. I am sure this month will see the initial efforts to bring about compliance with that commitment. Yemen was threatened with the termination of support, and the United States finally paid off $187 million of its debt to the United Nations after the vote President Bush sought was made. This is all so ironic. When our President ran for the U.S. Senate in the 1960's, he told the people of Texas that if he would be elected to the Senate, he would lead the fight to remove the United States from the United Nations if what he called Red China at that time was admitted. Fate and power almighty have a very, very mysterious way of working together. Who was to believe during that year in that race in Texas that years later this same man, now the President, would be the man the President would appoint to represent us in the United Nations and welcome Red China as a member of the United Nations. The vote was bought, and it will be paid for with the lives of our poor elements who are going to shoulder the fight. Article III states that the President has conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq, employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. No civilian lives have yet been lost that we know of, but when we start using the weapons of massive destruction that are in place for this war, there is no doubt that thousands of innocent civilians will lose their lives. As killings occur, the principles laid down in the Nuremberg trials will be applicable. Their deaths will not only be a moral outrage, they will constitute violations of international law. Article IV states that the President has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the U.N. Charter and international law. From August 1990 through January 1991 the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers lives were in jeopardy, rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. It is also ironic that what we have ended up with now is that the President has exchanged about 200 to 250 so-called hostages, Americans, all of them employees of oil companies in Kuwait or Iraq, and in exchange we now have close to 500,000 American soldiers as hostages. Hostages to the whims, the caprices, and the decisions and judgments made by other leaders, over which this President and our country has no control, all the way from Shamir of Israel to the immigrants in the Saudi sands. Article 5 states that the President has conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq, in violation of article 24 of the U.N. Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. Again, there is a violation of law by a President, who, believing and acting as if he is king, decides for the country, unilaterally, that war is the answer. Madam Speaker, it is a sad day for our country, and it will be an even sadder day once the fighting starts. President Bush must be stopped. A divided Congress reflecting the divided country is no way to conduct a war. The preservation of lives is at stake, and the preservation of our country, indeed, our democracy, is at stake as well. I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. All I ask is a hearing, as I have before, before the proper committee of proper jurisdiction, and that is it. I will argue the case there. The rest is up to the Members' judgment. Madam Speaker, I urge interest and support of this resolution, and to stand up to the President on behalf of the soldiers who will die, the civilians who will be massacred, and the Constitution that will be destroyed if this country goes to war in the Middle East. 102nd Congress H.Res.86 1st Session ____/s/ Henry B.Gonzalez____ Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. _______________________________________________ IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 21, 1991 (originally January 16, 1991) Mr. GONZALEZ submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Judiciary. ________________________________________________ A RESOLUTION Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Resolved, That George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the Senate: Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of all of the people of the United States of America, against George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors. ARTICLE I In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. U.S. soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American, and their military service is based on the coercion of an system that has denied viable economic opportunities to these classes of citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE II In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the U.S. Constitution, federal law and the United Nations Charter by bribing, intimidating and threatening others, including the members of the United Nations Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE III In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prepared, planned, and conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. This planning includes the placement and potential use of nuclear weapons, and the use of such indiscriminate weapons and massive killings by serial bombardment, or otherwise, of civilians violates the Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1923, the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Protocol I thereto, the Nuremberg Charter, the Genocide Convention and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE IV In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the United Nations Charter and international law. From August, 1990, through January, 1991, the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers' lives were in jeopardy - rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. The President has not received a declaration of war by Congress, and in contravention of the written word, the spirit, and the intent of the U.S. Constitution has declared that he will go to war regardless of the views of Congress and the American people. In failing to seek a declaration of war, and in declaring his intent to violate the Constitution in disregarding the acts of Congress - including the War Powers Resolution - George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE V In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has planned, prepared, and conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq in violation of Article 2(4) of the United Nations Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. * ================================================================ .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org .List Archives: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ .Subscribe: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:05 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War That should do it. Have the Constituent request the meeting and then bring you in with him/her to argue the case. They are taking a Thanksgiving Break so he should be returning home from DC soon. We need to stop this before Americans and Russians kill each other in Syria. A Bill of Impeachment would send a shot across the bow of the Harvard Law Grad Obama. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War I am not in his district, but a neighboring one; on his email list and contact him on various matters from time to time. I can probably did up a constituent to go with me. ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:54 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War Actually the best way is for someone living in his District to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. MOCs have to respond to their constituents. They don’t care all that much about non-constituents. Based upon my experience dealing with them over the years. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War The best way is for someone to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:47 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War Justin Amash? Any idea on how to persuade him to do so? KL ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Power To Declare War In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL From "The Hill:" Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 04:25:26 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 22:25:26 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: “...you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." --Athenians to the Melians, History of the Peloponnesian War, 5 The 'Hydrocarbon War' was a war for oil and gas, not because the US needed those resources domestically - we’re adequately supplied from the Atlantic basin (N. & S. America, W. Africa) - but because control of Mideast energy resources gives the US a chokehold over competing economies from Germany to China. The cynosure of US policy remains what it’s been, at least since the Open Door: the economic integration of Eurasia, which would adversely affect the profits of the US 1% & so must be prevented at all costs. (That was the threat posed by the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.) Control of energy could prevent it. The murderous irony today is that control of MENA’s resources is becoming less effective to that end, in part because of Russian energy resources. The US failed, in the Clinton administration, in its plan to destroy the economy of post-Soviet Russia & reduce it to the status of a Third World country, an economically subservient producer of raw materials. (The Clinton policies did manage so to disrupt the Russian economy that life expectancy actually declined in the 1990s.) US control of world energy had a 50-year run: the 1967 war put that weapon firmly in US hands (by destroying secular Arab nationalism) - and Putin’s reconstitution of Russia took it out. That’s why the Russian president is so cordially hated by the US foreign policy establishment. (And they can't admit why, so they have to make up fantastic stories of Russian imperialism!) —CGE > On Jan 15, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > And if I remember correctly in his book Thucydides looked at 27 years of unmitigated warfare by his Athenian Republic and argued that in fact they constituted one extended war, which he called The Peloponnesian War. Well I look at the past 27 years of unmitigated warfare by the American Republic in order to steal the oil and gas of the Middle East and Central Asia and call it one extended war: The Hydrocarbon War. Will we suffer the same Fate as Athens? > Fab. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From futureup2us at gmail.com Mon Jan 16 11:17:28 2017 From: futureup2us at gmail.com (Jay Becker) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 06:17:28 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think that''s basically Andrew Becavich's approach in "America's War for the Greater Middle East," one long war since what's called the First Persian Gulf War (I haven't read the book, however). And the incoming commander in chief says he'll "bomb the shit out of 'em." Then Exxon can come in, clean it all up, and "we'll have the oil." Jay On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > *And if I remember correctly in his book Thucydides looked at 27 years of > unmitigated warfare by his Athenian Republic and argued that in fact they > constituted one extended war, which he called The Peloponnesian War. Well > I look at the past 27 years of unmitigated warfare by the American Republic > in order to steal the oil and gas of the Middle East and Central Asia and > call it one extended war: The Hydrocarbon War. Will we suffer the same Fate > as Athens?* > > *Fab.* > > > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only*) > > > > *From:* Boyle, Francis A > *Sent:* Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:05 PM > *To:* peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK < > carl at newsfromneptune.com>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J < > vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; > Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel < > davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; > Estabrook, Carl G ; Lina Thorne < > lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien < > moboct1 at aim.com>; David Johnson ; Jay < > futureup2us at gmail.com>; Joe Lauria ; David Green < > davegreen84 at yahoo.com>; Karen Aram > *Subject:* Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 > > > > 26 years ago on a Sunday evening Ramsey Clark, Congressman Henry B. > Gonzalez of Texas and I agreed to set up a National Campaign to Impeach > President George Bush Sr in order to prevent his war against Iraq. Ramsey > asked me to do the first draft of what later became the Gonzalez > Impeachment Resolution against President Bush Sr set forth below. We did > not stop that war. But in his Memoirs Bush stated that the reason he > stopped the war at Basra and did not go all the way to Baghdad was that he > feared impeachment. Fab. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com [mailto:nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com > ] > > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:50 PM > > To: undisclosed-recipients > > Subject: [NYTr] Henry Gonzalez Resol'n to Impeach Bush I (1991) > > > > Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit > > > > sent by Francis Boyle - Jan 18, 2006 > > > > The Gonzalez Resolution to Impeach George Bush > > > > Congressional Record, Jan. 16, 1991, at H520-21. > > > > RESOLUTION OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH > > > > The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, > > the gentleman from Texas [Mr. GONZALEZ] is recognized for 60 minutes. > > > > Mr. GONZALEZ, Madam Speaker, it is with great sadness, and yet with equally > > great, if not greater, conviction, that I introduce today a resolution of > > impeachment of President Bush. It is known as House Resolution 34, and I > > will provide this resolution as introduced to be appended at the end of my > > remarks today. > > > > At a time when our Nation is deeply divided over the question of > > war, we find ourselves on the brink of a world war of such magnitude that > > our minds cannot fully comprehend the destruction that is about to be > > leveled. The position we are in is a direct result of the actions of one > > man and the reactions of another. The Iraqi people are as opposed to war as > > are the American people. The difference is that the Iraqi people have no > > choice but to support their country's leader, but the American people not > > only have the right to oppose and speak out in disagreement with the > > President, but they have the responsibility to do so if our democracy is to > > be preserved. Today I exercise this constitutional right and responsibility > > to speak out in opposition to war in the Middle East and in support of > > removal of our Nation's Chief Executive. > > > > When I took the oath of office earlier this month, as I had > > numerous times before, I swore to uphold the Constitution. The President's > > oath was the same, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. We did > > not pledge an oath of allegiance to the President but to the Constitution, > > which is the highest law of the land. The Constitution provides for removal > > of the President when he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, > > including violations of the principles of the Constitution. President Bush > > has violated these principles. > > > > My resolution has five articles of impeachment. First, the > > President has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Our > > soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and > > Mexican-American or Hispanic-American. They may be volunteers technically, > > but their voluntarism is based on the coercion of a system that has denied > > viable opportunities to these classes of our citizens. Under the > > Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and > > calling on the poor and the minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve > > the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. > > > > Let me add that since 1981 we have suffered the Reagan-Bush and > > now the Bush war against the poor, and to add insult to injury, we now are > > asking the poor to fight while here, as a result of this fight, even the > > meager programs that the Congress had seen fit to preserve as a national > > policy will suffer because the money for those programs will be diverted to > > the cause of this unnecessary war. > > > > Article II of this resolution states that the President has > > violated the Constitution, Federal law, and the U.N. Charter by bribing, > > intimidating, and threatening others, including the members of the U.N. > > Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. It is clear > > that the President paid off members of the U.N. Security Council in return > > for their votes in support of war against Iraq or to abstain from voting > > contrariwise. The debt of Egypt was, for example, forgiven--$7 billion, > > without congressional approval. That, I think, casts doubtful validity on > > that Presidential action. The reason for the cancellation of that debt is > > so that we can then provide an equally enormous amount of armament for > Egypt > > which it cannot obtain because of the debt outstanding. A $140 million loan > > to China was agreed to. The Soviet Union was promised over $7 billion in > > aid. This is a sum totally unreported in our country but very well > > discussed in foreign country presses such as Germany and others. Colombia > > was promised assistance to its armed forces. Zaire was promised military > > assistance and partial forgiveness of its debt. Saudi Arabia was promised > > $12 billion in arms, and more than that. Actually in October, the President > > let them have $2.2 billion, and there was a commitment for $21 billion > more, > > but because of the outcry in Congress and the Israeli opposition, that is > > being postponed. But there is still a commitment for $22 billion. I am > > sure this month will see the initial efforts to bring about compliance with > > that commitment. > > > > Yemen was threatened with the termination of support, and the United States > > finally paid off $187 million of its debt to the United Nations after the > > vote President Bush sought was made. > > > > This is all so ironic. When our President ran for the U.S. Senate in the > > 1960's, he told the people of Texas that if he would be elected to the > > Senate, he would lead the fight to remove the United States from the United > > Nations if what he called Red China at that time was admitted. Fate and > > power almighty have a very, very mysterious way of working together. Who > was > > to believe during that year in that race in Texas that years later this > same > > man, now the President, would be the man the President would appoint to > > represent us in the United Nations and welcome Red China as a member of the > > United Nations. > > > > The vote was bought, and it will be paid for with the lives of our poor > > elements who are going to shoulder the fight. > > > > Article III states that the President has conspired to engage in a massive > > war against Iraq, employing methods of mass destruction that will result in > > the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be > > children. No civilian lives have yet been lost that we know of, but when we > > start using the weapons of massive destruction that are in place for this > > war, there is no doubt that thousands of innocent civilians will lose their > > lives. As killings occur, the principles laid down in the Nuremberg trials > > will be applicable. Their deaths will not only be a moral outrage, they > will > > constitute violations of international law. > > > > Article IV states that the President has committed the United States to > acts > > of war without congressional consent and contrary to the U.N. Charter and > > international law. From August 1990 through January 1991 the President > > embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option > > for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President > > approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers > > lives were in jeopardy, rendering any substantive debate by Congress > > meaningless. It is also ironic that what we have ended up with now is that > > the President has exchanged about 200 to 250 so-called hostages, Americans, > > all of them employees of oil companies in Kuwait or Iraq, and in exchange > we > > now have close to 500,000 American soldiers as hostages. Hostages to the > > whims, the caprices, and the decisions and judgments made by other leaders, > > over which this President and our country has no control, all the way from > > Shamir of Israel to the immigrants in the Saudi sands. > > > > Article 5 states that the President has conspired to commit crimes against > > the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq, in > > violation of article 24 of the U.N. Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other > > international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United > > States. > > > > Again, there is a violation of law by a President, who, believing and > acting > > as if he is king, decides for the country, unilaterally, that war is the > > answer. > > > > Madam Speaker, it is a sad day for our country, and it will be an even > > sadder day once the fighting starts. President Bush must be stopped. A > > divided Congress reflecting the divided country is no way to conduct a war. > > The preservation of lives is at stake, and the preservation of our country, > > indeed, our democracy, is at stake as well. > > > > I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. All I ask is a hearing, as > > I have before, before the proper committee of proper jurisdiction, and that > > is it. I will argue the case there. The rest is up to the Members' > judgment. > > > > Madam Speaker, I urge interest and support of this resolution, and to stand > > up to the President on behalf of the soldiers who will die, the civilians > > who will be massacred, and the Constitution that will be destroyed if this > > country goes to war in the Middle East. > > > > 102nd Congress > > H.Res.86 > > > > 1st Session > > > > ____/s/ Henry B.Gonzalez____ > > > > Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United > > States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES > > > > February 21, 1991 (originally > > January 16, 1991) > > > > Mr. GONZALEZ submitted the following resolution; which was > > referred to the Committee on Judiciary. > > ________________________________________________ > > > > A RESOLUTION > > > > Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United > > States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. > > > > Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of > > high crimes and misdemeanors. > > > > Resolved, That George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States > is > > impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles > > of impeachment be exhibited to the Senate: > > > > Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the > > United States of America in the name of itself and of all of the people of > > the United States of America, against George Herbert Walker Bush, President > > of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its > > impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors. > > > > ARTICLE I > > > > In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George > > Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to > > execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of > his > > ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United > > States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the > > laws be faithfully executed, has violated the equal protection clause of > the > > Constitution. U.S. soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor > > white, black, and Mexican-American, and their military service is based on > > the coercion of an system that has denied viable economic opportunities to > > these classes of citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens > > are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and minorities to > > fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial > of > > the rights of these soldiers. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has > > acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of > > constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and > > justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. > > > > Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment > > and trial, and removal from office. > > > > ARTICLE II > > > > In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George > > Herbert Walker bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to > > execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of > his > > ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United > > States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the > > laws be faithfully executed, has violated the U.S. Constitution, federal > law > > and the United Nations Charter by bribing, intimidating and threatening > > others, including the members of the United Nations Security Council, to > > support belligerent acts against Iraq. In all of this George Herbert Walker > > Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and > subversive > > of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law > and > > justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. > > > > Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment > > and trial, and removal from office. > > > > ARTICLE III > > > > In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George > > Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to > > execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of > his > > ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United > > States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the > > laws be faithfully executed, has prepared, planned, and conspired to engage > > in a massive war against Iraq employing methods of mass destruction that > > will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom > > will be children. This planning includes the placement and potential use of > > nuclear weapons, and the use of such indiscriminate weapons and massive > > killings by serial bombardment, or otherwise, of civilians violates the > > Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1923, the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and > > Protocol I thereto, the Nuremberg Charter, the Genocide Convention and the > > United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. In all of this George Herbert > > Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and > > subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the > cause > > of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United > > States. > > > > Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment > > and trial, and removal from office. > > > > ARTICLE IV > > > > In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George > > Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to > > execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of > his > > ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United > > States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the > > laws be faithfully executed, has committed the United States to acts of war > > without congressional consent and contrary to the United Nations Charter > and > > international law. From August, 1990, through January, 1991, the President > > embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option > > for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President > > approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers' > > lives were in jeopardy - rendering any substantive debate by Congress > > meaningless. The President has not received a declaration of war by > > Congress, and in contravention of the written word, the spirit, and the > > intent of the U.S. Constitution has declared that he will go to war > > regardless of the views of Congress and the American people. In failing to > > seek a declaration of war, and in declaring his intent to violate the > > Constitution in disregarding the acts of Congress - including the War > Powers > > Resolution - George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to > > his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the > > great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury > > of the people of the United States. > > > > Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment > > and trial, and removal from office. > > > > ARTICLE V > > > > In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George > > Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to > > execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of > his > > ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United > > States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the > > laws be faithfully executed, has planned, prepared, and conspired to commit > > crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war > > against Iraq in violation of Article 2(4) of the United Nations Charter, > the > > Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the > > Constitution of the United States. In all of this George Herbert Walker > Bush > > has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of > > constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and > > justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. > > > > Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment > > and trial, and removal from office. > > > > > > * > > ================================================================ > > .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems > > . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . > > .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org > > .List Archives: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ > > .Subscribe: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr > > ================================================================ > > > > > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign, IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only)* > > > > *From:* Boyle, Francis A > *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:05 AM > *To:* 'Kary Love' ; Terry Lodge ; > Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds < > sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com> > *Subject:* RE: Power To Declare War > > > > *That should do it. Have the Constituent request the meeting and then > bring you in with him/her to argue the case. They are taking a > Thanksgiving Break so he should be returning home from DC soon. We need to > stop this before Americans and Russians kill each other in Syria. A Bill of > Impeachment would send a shot across the bow of the Harvard Law Grad > Obama. Fab.* > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign, IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only)* > > > > *From:* Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com ] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:57 AM > *To:* Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge < > tjlodge50 at yahoo.com>; Brad Springer ; Scot > Reynolds > *Subject:* Re: Power To Declare War > > > > I am not in his district, but a neighboring one; on his email list and > contact him on various matters from time to time. I can probably did up a > constituent to go with me. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* "Boyle, Francis A" > *To:* Kary Love ; Terry Lodge ; > Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds < > sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:54 AM > *Subject:* RE: Power To Declare War > > > > *Actually the best way is for someone living in his District to meet with > him personally and convince him to do it. MOCs have to respond to their > constituents. They don’t care all that much about non-constituents. Based > upon my experience dealing with them over the years.* > > > > *Fab* > > > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign, IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only)* > > > > > > *From:* Boyle, Francis A > *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM > *To:* 'Kary Love' ; Terry Lodge ; > Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds < > sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com> > *Subject:* RE: Power To Declare War > > > > *The best way is for someone to meet with him personally and convince him > to do it.* > > > > *Fab* > > > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign, IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only)* > > > > *From:* Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com ] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:47 AM > *To:* Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge < > tjlodge50 at yahoo.com>; Brad Springer ; Scot > Reynolds > *Subject:* Re: Power To Declare War > > > > Justin Amash? Any idea on how to persuade him to do so? KL > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* "Boyle, Francis A" > *To:* Kary Love ; Terry Lodge ; > Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds < > sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM > *Subject:* RE: Power To Declare War > > > > *We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment > against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me > one. Fab.* > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign, IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only)* > > > > > > *From:* Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com ] > *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM > *To:* Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge < > tjlodge50 at yahoo.com>; Brad Springer ; Scot > Reynolds > *Subject:* Power To Declare War > > > > In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare > war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the > representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, > this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not > delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of > powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war > by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create > fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one > reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. > Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation > of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in > this most fearsome of governmental acts. > > > > The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by > "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the > executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an > impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those > holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with > their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters > when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering > candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the > national government is the Constitution. When the government actions > destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to > the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is > dissolved. KL > > > > > > From "The Hill:" > > > > *Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 11:19:11 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:19:11 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Carl for that apt quote from Thucydides and for American Foreign Policy. I also like a quote from Machiavelli’s The Prince. Again to paraphrase since I am at home: “ Those who want to deceive will always find those willing to be deceived.” Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:25 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Jay ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: Re: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 “...you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must." --Athenians to the Melians, History of the Peloponnesian War, 5 The 'Hydrocarbon War' was a war for oil and gas, not because the US needed those resources domestically - we’re adequately supplied from the Atlantic basin (N. & S. America, W. Africa) - but because control of Mideast energy resources gives the US a chokehold over competing economies from Germany to China. The cynosure of US policy remains what it’s been, at least since the Open Door: the economic integration of Eurasia, which would adversely affect the profits of the US 1% & so must be prevented at all costs. (That was the threat posed by the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.) Control of energy could prevent it. The murderous irony today is that control of MENA’s resources is becoming less effective to that end, in part because of Russian energy resources. The US failed, in the Clinton administration, in its plan to destroy the economy of post-Soviet Russia & reduce it to the status of a Third World country, an economically subservient producer of raw materials. (The Clinton policies did manage so to disrupt the Russian economy that life expectancy actually declined in the 1990s.) US control of world energy had a 50-year run: the 1967 war put that weapon firmly in US hands (by destroying secular Arab nationalism) - and Putin’s reconstitution of Russia took it out. That’s why the Russian president is so cordially hated by the US foreign policy establishment. (And they can't admit why, so they have to make up fantastic stories of Russian imperialism!) —CGE On Jan 15, 2017, at 9:38 PM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: And if I remember correctly in his book Thucydides looked at 27 years of unmitigated warfare by his Athenian Republic and argued that in fact they constituted one extended war, which he called The Peloponnesian War. Well I look at the past 27 years of unmitigated warfare by the American Republic in order to steal the oil and gas of the Middle East and Central Asia and call it one extended war: The Hydrocarbon War. Will we suffer the same Fate as Athens? Fab. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 11:20:24 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:20:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Jay. Sorry I have not read his book. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:17 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green ; Karen Aram Subject: Re: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 I think that''s basically Andrew Becavich's approach in "America's War for the Greater Middle East," one long war since what's called the First Persian Gulf War (I haven't read the book, however). And the incoming commander in chief says he'll "bomb the shit out of 'em." Then Exxon can come in, clean it all up, and "we'll have the oil." Jay On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: And if I remember correctly in his book Thucydides looked at 27 years of unmitigated warfare by his Athenian Republic and argued that in fact they constituted one extended war, which he called The Peloponnesian War. Well I look at the past 27 years of unmitigated warfare by the American Republic in order to steal the oil and gas of the Middle East and Central Asia and call it one extended war: The Hydrocarbon War. Will we suffer the same Fate as Athens? Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:05 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G >; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Joe Lauria >; David Green >; Karen Aram > Subject: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 26 years ago on a Sunday evening Ramsey Clark, Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez of Texas and I agreed to set up a National Campaign to Impeach President George Bush Sr in order to prevent his war against Iraq. Ramsey asked me to do the first draft of what later became the Gonzalez Impeachment Resolution against President Bush Sr set forth below. We did not stop that war. But in his Memoirs Bush stated that the reason he stopped the war at Basra and did not go all the way to Baghdad was that he feared impeachment. Fab. -----Original Message----- From: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com [mailto:nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:50 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] Henry Gonzalez Resol'n to Impeach Bush I (1991) Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Jan 18, 2006 The Gonzalez Resolution to Impeach George Bush Congressional Record, Jan. 16, 1991, at H520-21. RESOLUTION OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas [Mr. GONZALEZ] is recognized for 60 minutes. Mr. GONZALEZ, Madam Speaker, it is with great sadness, and yet with equally great, if not greater, conviction, that I introduce today a resolution of impeachment of President Bush. It is known as House Resolution 34, and I will provide this resolution as introduced to be appended at the end of my remarks today. At a time when our Nation is deeply divided over the question of war, we find ourselves on the brink of a world war of such magnitude that our minds cannot fully comprehend the destruction that is about to be leveled. The position we are in is a direct result of the actions of one man and the reactions of another. The Iraqi people are as opposed to war as are the American people. The difference is that the Iraqi people have no choice but to support their country's leader, but the American people not only have the right to oppose and speak out in disagreement with the President, but they have the responsibility to do so if our democracy is to be preserved. Today I exercise this constitutional right and responsibility to speak out in opposition to war in the Middle East and in support of removal of our Nation's Chief Executive. When I took the oath of office earlier this month, as I had numerous times before, I swore to uphold the Constitution. The President's oath was the same, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. We did not pledge an oath of allegiance to the President but to the Constitution, which is the highest law of the land. The Constitution provides for removal of the President when he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, including violations of the principles of the Constitution. President Bush has violated these principles. My resolution has five articles of impeachment. First, the President has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Our soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American or Hispanic-American. They may be volunteers technically, but their voluntarism is based on the coercion of a system that has denied viable opportunities to these classes of our citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and the minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. Let me add that since 1981 we have suffered the Reagan-Bush and now the Bush war against the poor, and to add insult to injury, we now are asking the poor to fight while here, as a result of this fight, even the meager programs that the Congress had seen fit to preserve as a national policy will suffer because the money for those programs will be diverted to the cause of this unnecessary war. Article II of this resolution states that the President has violated the Constitution, Federal law, and the U.N. Charter by bribing, intimidating, and threatening others, including the members of the U.N. Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. It is clear that the President paid off members of the U.N. Security Council in return for their votes in support of war against Iraq or to abstain from voting contrariwise. The debt of Egypt was, for example, forgiven--$7 billion, without congressional approval. That, I think, casts doubtful validity on that Presidential action. The reason for the cancellation of that debt is so that we can then provide an equally enormous amount of armament for Egypt which it cannot obtain because of the debt outstanding. A $140 million loan to China was agreed to. The Soviet Union was promised over $7 billion in aid. This is a sum totally unreported in our country but very well discussed in foreign country presses such as Germany and others. Colombia was promised assistance to its armed forces. Zaire was promised military assistance and partial forgiveness of its debt. Saudi Arabia was promised $12 billion in arms, and more than that. Actually in October, the President let them have $2.2 billion, and there was a commitment for $21 billion more, but because of the outcry in Congress and the Israeli opposition, that is being postponed. But there is still a commitment for $22 billion. I am sure this month will see the initial efforts to bring about compliance with that commitment. Yemen was threatened with the termination of support, and the United States finally paid off $187 million of its debt to the United Nations after the vote President Bush sought was made. This is all so ironic. When our President ran for the U.S. Senate in the 1960's, he told the people of Texas that if he would be elected to the Senate, he would lead the fight to remove the United States from the United Nations if what he called Red China at that time was admitted. Fate and power almighty have a very, very mysterious way of working together. Who was to believe during that year in that race in Texas that years later this same man, now the President, would be the man the President would appoint to represent us in the United Nations and welcome Red China as a member of the United Nations. The vote was bought, and it will be paid for with the lives of our poor elements who are going to shoulder the fight. Article III states that the President has conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq, employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. No civilian lives have yet been lost that we know of, but when we start using the weapons of massive destruction that are in place for this war, there is no doubt that thousands of innocent civilians will lose their lives. As killings occur, the principles laid down in the Nuremberg trials will be applicable. Their deaths will not only be a moral outrage, they will constitute violations of international law. Article IV states that the President has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the U.N. Charter and international law. From August 1990 through January 1991 the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers lives were in jeopardy, rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. It is also ironic that what we have ended up with now is that the President has exchanged about 200 to 250 so-called hostages, Americans, all of them employees of oil companies in Kuwait or Iraq, and in exchange we now have close to 500,000 American soldiers as hostages. Hostages to the whims, the caprices, and the decisions and judgments made by other leaders, over which this President and our country has no control, all the way from Shamir of Israel to the immigrants in the Saudi sands. Article 5 states that the President has conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq, in violation of article 24 of the U.N. Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. Again, there is a violation of law by a President, who, believing and acting as if he is king, decides for the country, unilaterally, that war is the answer. Madam Speaker, it is a sad day for our country, and it will be an even sadder day once the fighting starts. President Bush must be stopped. A divided Congress reflecting the divided country is no way to conduct a war. The preservation of lives is at stake, and the preservation of our country, indeed, our democracy, is at stake as well. I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. All I ask is a hearing, as I have before, before the proper committee of proper jurisdiction, and that is it. I will argue the case there. The rest is up to the Members' judgment. Madam Speaker, I urge interest and support of this resolution, and to stand up to the President on behalf of the soldiers who will die, the civilians who will be massacred, and the Constitution that will be destroyed if this country goes to war in the Middle East. 102nd Congress H.Res.86 1st Session ____/s/ Henry B.Gonzalez____ Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. _______________________________________________ IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 21, 1991 (originally January 16, 1991) Mr. GONZALEZ submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Judiciary. ________________________________________________ A RESOLUTION Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Resolved, That George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the Senate: Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of all of the people of the United States of America, against George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors. ARTICLE I In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. U.S. soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American, and their military service is based on the coercion of an system that has denied viable economic opportunities to these classes of citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE II In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the U.S. Constitution, federal law and the United Nations Charter by bribing, intimidating and threatening others, including the members of the United Nations Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE III In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prepared, planned, and conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. This planning includes the placement and potential use of nuclear weapons, and the use of such indiscriminate weapons and massive killings by serial bombardment, or otherwise, of civilians violates the Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1923, the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Protocol I thereto, the Nuremberg Charter, the Genocide Convention and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE IV In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the United Nations Charter and international law. From August, 1990, through January, 1991, the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers' lives were in jeopardy - rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. The President has not received a declaration of war by Congress, and in contravention of the written word, the spirit, and the intent of the U.S. Constitution has declared that he will go to war regardless of the views of Congress and the American people. In failing to seek a declaration of war, and in declaring his intent to violate the Constitution in disregarding the acts of Congress - including the War Powers Resolution - George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE V In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has planned, prepared, and conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq in violation of Article 2(4) of the United Nations Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. * ================================================================ .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org .List Archives: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ .Subscribe: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:05 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War That should do it. Have the Constituent request the meeting and then bring you in with him/her to argue the case. They are taking a Thanksgiving Break so he should be returning home from DC soon. We need to stop this before Americans and Russians kill each other in Syria. A Bill of Impeachment would send a shot across the bow of the Harvard Law Grad Obama. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War I am not in his district, but a neighboring one; on his email list and contact him on various matters from time to time. I can probably did up a constituent to go with me. ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:54 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War Actually the best way is for someone living in his District to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. MOCs have to respond to their constituents. They don’t care all that much about non-constituents. Based upon my experience dealing with them over the years. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War The best way is for someone to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:47 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War Justin Amash? Any idea on how to persuade him to do so? KL ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Power To Declare War In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. 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The Elephant Stampede When I was a young boy Every year with my Dad We would go to see The Ringling Brothers, Barnum and Bailey Circus At the Old Amphitheater Three Rings At the end of the show Came their famous elephant stampede All the pachyderms would line up in a row With scantily clad young women on top And at the appointed time With their trunks they would grasp The tails of the elephants in front And rumble around all 3 rings Like an earthquake The band played on The girls riding bareback But elephants are an incontinent lot Pissing and crapping as they plodded along So at the rear of each pach Was a man dressed as a janitor With a metal garbage can on wheelies And a coal shovel. So as each animal would crap Its man would reach in with his shovel And scoop it right out And plop the poop in the can Before the next elephant stomped on it Magnificently choreographed for all to see A Ballet of elephants and men and poop on a scoop But every once in a while The man could not get in there on time And so the next elephant would stomp On a dropped pile of shit That would splat around the Old Amphitheater I am reminded of this childhood spectacle Now at the start of my 38th year here At the college of law After eleven years of Deans Hurd and Smith Dropping their crap all around These Ivy bedecked halls In two separate scandals One after the other Up to our necks in their crap Who is going to scoop it all up? Where are we going to put it? Or will we just let it ferment? As it wafts up our nostrils As it has done all these years Onward and upward To our brains Now fermented in shit For well over a decade. Here's to Deans Hurd and Smith Long may they live In the Annals of College of Law Shit Coda Ringling has now retired their elephants No more krapping elephant stampedes But our 2 krapping ex-Deans still remain Stinking up the place Alas! On both counts! Krapping elephants amused me as a kid But krapping ex-law-deans today do not They should go stink up somewhere else For both are all krapped out here. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 16 13:45:32 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:45:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Today’s “Letters to the Editor” in the News Gazette by Professor Boyle: Obama continued Bush atrocities Mon, 01/16/2017 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette My book "Tackling America's Toughest Questions" (Clarity Press: 2009) set forth a comprehensive analysis and critique of all the atrocities President George W. Bush et al. inflicted upon international law, human rights law, the U.S. Constitution and innocent human beings, starting from when he stole the presidency courtesy of five Republicans on the U.S. Supreme Court in the fall of 2000. I decided to hold off writing the conclusion until after President Barack Obama came to power in January 2009. Therein I prognosticated: "Despite their presidential campaign rhetoric promoting 'change,' three weeks into the Obama/Clinton administration the continuity of policies across the board with the Bush administration is striking notwithstanding their change in atmospherics. It very well could be that despite our best efforts, hopes and expectations for instituting real political 'change' by means of the 2008 U.S. national elections, the American people are going to see in operation a Third Bush Term or at least a hybrid Obama/Bush/Clinton administration. " A third and a fourth Bush terms are more like it. The distinction between Obama and Bush is that Obama is a lawyer who fully comprehends his monstrous crimes and hideous atrocities that he has inflicted against international law, human rights law, the Constitution and Muslims/Arabs/Asians of color all over the world. Obama and I had the same jurisprudence teacher at Harvard: Roberto Unger. Speaking on the BBC Hardtalk Program, Professor Unger stated: "Obama is a disaster!" Professor Unger always taught his law students by his own example to speak truth to power. FRANCIS A. BOYLE Champaign On Jan 16, 2017, at 03:20, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Thanks Jay. Sorry I have not read his book. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:17 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G >; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green >; Karen Aram > Subject: Re: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 I think that''s basically Andrew Becavich's approach in "America's War for the Greater Middle East," one long war since what's called the First Persian Gulf War (I haven't read the book, however). And the incoming commander in chief says he'll "bomb the shit out of 'em." Then Exxon can come in, clean it all up, and "we'll have the oil." Jay On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: And if I remember correctly in his book Thucydides looked at 27 years of unmitigated warfare by his Athenian Republic and argued that in fact they constituted one extended war, which he called The Peloponnesian War. Well I look at the past 27 years of unmitigated warfare by the American Republic in order to steal the oil and gas of the Middle East and Central Asia and call it one extended war: The Hydrocarbon War. Will we suffer the same Fate as Athens? Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:05 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G >; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Joe Lauria >; David Green >; Karen Aram > Subject: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 26 years ago on a Sunday evening Ramsey Clark, Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez of Texas and I agreed to set up a National Campaign to Impeach President George Bush Sr in order to prevent his war against Iraq. Ramsey asked me to do the first draft of what later became the Gonzalez Impeachment Resolution against President Bush Sr set forth below. We did not stop that war. But in his Memoirs Bush stated that the reason he stopped the war at Basra and did not go all the way to Baghdad was that he feared impeachment. Fab. -----Original Message----- From: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com [mailto:nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:50 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] Henry Gonzalez Resol'n to Impeach Bush I (1991) Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Jan 18, 2006 The Gonzalez Resolution to Impeach George Bush Congressional Record, Jan. 16, 1991, at H520-21. RESOLUTION OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas [Mr. GONZALEZ] is recognized for 60 minutes. Mr. GONZALEZ, Madam Speaker, it is with great sadness, and yet with equally great, if not greater, conviction, that I introduce today a resolution of impeachment of President Bush. It is known as House Resolution 34, and I will provide this resolution as introduced to be appended at the end of my remarks today. At a time when our Nation is deeply divided over the question of war, we find ourselves on the brink of a world war of such magnitude that our minds cannot fully comprehend the destruction that is about to be leveled. The position we are in is a direct result of the actions of one man and the reactions of another. The Iraqi people are as opposed to war as are the American people. The difference is that the Iraqi people have no choice but to support their country's leader, but the American people not only have the right to oppose and speak out in disagreement with the President, but they have the responsibility to do so if our democracy is to be preserved. Today I exercise this constitutional right and responsibility to speak out in opposition to war in the Middle East and in support of removal of our Nation's Chief Executive. When I took the oath of office earlier this month, as I had numerous times before, I swore to uphold the Constitution. The President's oath was the same, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. We did not pledge an oath of allegiance to the President but to the Constitution, which is the highest law of the land. The Constitution provides for removal of the President when he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, including violations of the principles of the Constitution. President Bush has violated these principles. My resolution has five articles of impeachment. First, the President has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Our soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American or Hispanic-American. They may be volunteers technically, but their voluntarism is based on the coercion of a system that has denied viable opportunities to these classes of our citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and the minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. Let me add that since 1981 we have suffered the Reagan-Bush and now the Bush war against the poor, and to add insult to injury, we now are asking the poor to fight while here, as a result of this fight, even the meager programs that the Congress had seen fit to preserve as a national policy will suffer because the money for those programs will be diverted to the cause of this unnecessary war. Article II of this resolution states that the President has violated the Constitution, Federal law, and the U.N. Charter by bribing, intimidating, and threatening others, including the members of the U.N. Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. It is clear that the President paid off members of the U.N. Security Council in return for their votes in support of war against Iraq or to abstain from voting contrariwise. The debt of Egypt was, for example, forgiven--$7 billion, without congressional approval. That, I think, casts doubtful validity on that Presidential action. The reason for the cancellation of that debt is so that we can then provide an equally enormous amount of armament for Egypt which it cannot obtain because of the debt outstanding. A $140 million loan to China was agreed to. The Soviet Union was promised over $7 billion in aid. This is a sum totally unreported in our country but very well discussed in foreign country presses such as Germany and others. Colombia was promised assistance to its armed forces. Zaire was promised military assistance and partial forgiveness of its debt. Saudi Arabia was promised $12 billion in arms, and more than that. Actually in October, the President let them have $2.2 billion, and there was a commitment for $21 billion more, but because of the outcry in Congress and the Israeli opposition, that is being postponed. But there is still a commitment for $22 billion. I am sure this month will see the initial efforts to bring about compliance with that commitment. Yemen was threatened with the termination of support, and the United States finally paid off $187 million of its debt to the United Nations after the vote President Bush sought was made. This is all so ironic. When our President ran for the U.S. Senate in the 1960's, he told the people of Texas that if he would be elected to the Senate, he would lead the fight to remove the United States from the United Nations if what he called Red China at that time was admitted. Fate and power almighty have a very, very mysterious way of working together. Who was to believe during that year in that race in Texas that years later this same man, now the President, would be the man the President would appoint to represent us in the United Nations and welcome Red China as a member of the United Nations. The vote was bought, and it will be paid for with the lives of our poor elements who are going to shoulder the fight. Article III states that the President has conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq, employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. No civilian lives have yet been lost that we know of, but when we start using the weapons of massive destruction that are in place for this war, there is no doubt that thousands of innocent civilians will lose their lives. As killings occur, the principles laid down in the Nuremberg trials will be applicable. Their deaths will not only be a moral outrage, they will constitute violations of international law. Article IV states that the President has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the U.N. Charter and international law. From August 1990 through January 1991 the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers lives were in jeopardy, rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. It is also ironic that what we have ended up with now is that the President has exchanged about 200 to 250 so-called hostages, Americans, all of them employees of oil companies in Kuwait or Iraq, and in exchange we now have close to 500,000 American soldiers as hostages. Hostages to the whims, the caprices, and the decisions and judgments made by other leaders, over which this President and our country has no control, all the way from Shamir of Israel to the immigrants in the Saudi sands. Article 5 states that the President has conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq, in violation of article 24 of the U.N. Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. Again, there is a violation of law by a President, who, believing and acting as if he is king, decides for the country, unilaterally, that war is the answer. Madam Speaker, it is a sad day for our country, and it will be an even sadder day once the fighting starts. President Bush must be stopped. A divided Congress reflecting the divided country is no way to conduct a war. The preservation of lives is at stake, and the preservation of our country, indeed, our democracy, is at stake as well. I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. All I ask is a hearing, as I have before, before the proper committee of proper jurisdiction, and that is it. I will argue the case there. The rest is up to the Members' judgment. Madam Speaker, I urge interest and support of this resolution, and to stand up to the President on behalf of the soldiers who will die, the civilians who will be massacred, and the Constitution that will be destroyed if this country goes to war in the Middle East. 102nd Congress H.Res.86 1st Session ____/s/ Henry B.Gonzalez____ Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. _______________________________________________ IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 21, 1991 (originally January 16, 1991) Mr. GONZALEZ submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Judiciary. ________________________________________________ A RESOLUTION Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Resolved, That George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the Senate: Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of all of the people of the United States of America, against George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors. ARTICLE I In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. U.S. soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American, and their military service is based on the coercion of an system that has denied viable economic opportunities to these classes of citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE II In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the U.S. Constitution, federal law and the United Nations Charter by bribing, intimidating and threatening others, including the members of the United Nations Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE III In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prepared, planned, and conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. This planning includes the placement and potential use of nuclear weapons, and the use of such indiscriminate weapons and massive killings by serial bombardment, or otherwise, of civilians violates the Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1923, the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Protocol I thereto, the Nuremberg Charter, the Genocide Convention and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE IV In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the United Nations Charter and international law. From August, 1990, through January, 1991, the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers' lives were in jeopardy - rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. The President has not received a declaration of war by Congress, and in contravention of the written word, the spirit, and the intent of the U.S. Constitution has declared that he will go to war regardless of the views of Congress and the American people. In failing to seek a declaration of war, and in declaring his intent to violate the Constitution in disregarding the acts of Congress - including the War Powers Resolution - George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE V In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has planned, prepared, and conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq in violation of Article 2(4) of the United Nations Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. * ================================================================ .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org .List Archives: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ .Subscribe: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:05 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War That should do it. Have the Constituent request the meeting and then bring you in with him/her to argue the case. They are taking a Thanksgiving Break so he should be returning home from DC soon. We need to stop this before Americans and Russians kill each other in Syria. A Bill of Impeachment would send a shot across the bow of the Harvard Law Grad Obama. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War I am not in his district, but a neighboring one; on his email list and contact him on various matters from time to time. I can probably did up a constituent to go with me. ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:54 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War Actually the best way is for someone living in his District to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. MOCs have to respond to their constituents. They don’t care all that much about non-constituents. Based upon my experience dealing with them over the years. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War The best way is for someone to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:47 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War Justin Amash? Any idea on how to persuade him to do so? KL ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Power To Declare War In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL From "The Hill:" Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 14:46:02 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:46:02 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Karen. I had not gotten that far in the NG yet. I wanted to deal with the Shitting Elephants Stampede here at the Illinois Nazis Law School. I can’t believe they published it. They did edit out the sentence where I said that Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color are the untermensch of the American Empire—Our New Jews. I mean it. I don’t use those words lightly. Look at how many millions of them we have murdered since Gulf War I in January 1991 that Clark, Gonzalez and I tried to stop 26 years ago today. I had gotten up at 6am to go into my office and do the first draft of the Gonzalez Impeachment Resolution, then faxed it in to Ramsey later in the day. We then publicly announced our National Campaign to Impeach Bush to Stop the War on Tuesday. But that’s alright. Everyone gets my point about Obama and that is what matters. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:46 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Re: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 Today’s “Letters to the Editor” in the News Gazette by Professor Boyle: Obama continued Bush atrocities Mon, 01/16/2017 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette My book "Tackling America's Toughest Questions" (Clarity Press: 2009) set forth a comprehensive analysis and critique of all the atrocities President George W. Bush et al. inflicted upon international law, human rights law, the U.S. Constitution and innocent human beings, starting from when he stole the presidency courtesy of five Republicans on the U.S. Supreme Court in the fall of 2000. I decided to hold off writing the conclusion until after President Barack Obama came to power in January 2009. Therein I prognosticated: "Despite their presidential campaign rhetoric promoting 'change,' three weeks into the Obama/Clinton administration the continuity of policies across the board with the Bush administration is striking notwithstanding their change in atmospherics. It very well could be that despite our best efforts, hopes and expectations for instituting real political 'change' by means of the 2008 U.S. national elections, the American people are going to see in operation a Third Bush Term or at least a hybrid Obama/Bush/Clinton administration. " A third and a fourth Bush terms are more like it. The distinction between Obama and Bush is that Obama is a lawyer who fully comprehends his monstrous crimes and hideous atrocities that he has inflicted against international law, human rights law, the Constitution and Muslims/Arabs/Asians of color all over the world. Obama and I had the same jurisprudence teacher at Harvard: Roberto Unger. Speaking on the BBC Hardtalk Program, Professor Unger stated: "Obama is a disaster!" Professor Unger always taught his law students by his own example to speak truth to power. FRANCIS A. BOYLE Champaign On Jan 16, 2017, at 03:20, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Thanks Jay. Sorry I have not read his book. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:17 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G >; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green >; Karen Aram > Subject: Re: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 I think that''s basically Andrew Becavich's approach in "America's War for the Greater Middle East," one long war since what's called the First Persian Gulf War (I haven't read the book, however). And the incoming commander in chief says he'll "bomb the shit out of 'em." Then Exxon can come in, clean it all up, and "we'll have the oil." Jay On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: And if I remember correctly in his book Thucydides looked at 27 years of unmitigated warfare by his Athenian Republic and argued that in fact they constituted one extended war, which he called The Peloponnesian War. Well I look at the past 27 years of unmitigated warfare by the American Republic in order to steal the oil and gas of the Middle East and Central Asia and call it one extended war: The Hydrocarbon War. Will we suffer the same Fate as Athens? Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:05 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G >; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Joe Lauria >; David Green >; Karen Aram > Subject: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 26 years ago on a Sunday evening Ramsey Clark, Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez of Texas and I agreed to set up a National Campaign to Impeach President George Bush Sr in order to prevent his war against Iraq. Ramsey asked me to do the first draft of what later became the Gonzalez Impeachment Resolution against President Bush Sr set forth below. We did not stop that war. But in his Memoirs Bush stated that the reason he stopped the war at Basra and did not go all the way to Baghdad was that he feared impeachment. Fab. -----Original Message----- From: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com [mailto:nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:50 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] Henry Gonzalez Resol'n to Impeach Bush I (1991) Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Jan 18, 2006 The Gonzalez Resolution to Impeach George Bush Congressional Record, Jan. 16, 1991, at H520-21. RESOLUTION OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas [Mr. GONZALEZ] is recognized for 60 minutes. Mr. GONZALEZ, Madam Speaker, it is with great sadness, and yet with equally great, if not greater, conviction, that I introduce today a resolution of impeachment of President Bush. It is known as House Resolution 34, and I will provide this resolution as introduced to be appended at the end of my remarks today. At a time when our Nation is deeply divided over the question of war, we find ourselves on the brink of a world war of such magnitude that our minds cannot fully comprehend the destruction that is about to be leveled. The position we are in is a direct result of the actions of one man and the reactions of another. The Iraqi people are as opposed to war as are the American people. The difference is that the Iraqi people have no choice but to support their country's leader, but the American people not only have the right to oppose and speak out in disagreement with the President, but they have the responsibility to do so if our democracy is to be preserved. Today I exercise this constitutional right and responsibility to speak out in opposition to war in the Middle East and in support of removal of our Nation's Chief Executive. When I took the oath of office earlier this month, as I had numerous times before, I swore to uphold the Constitution. The President's oath was the same, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. We did not pledge an oath of allegiance to the President but to the Constitution, which is the highest law of the land. The Constitution provides for removal of the President when he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, including violations of the principles of the Constitution. President Bush has violated these principles. My resolution has five articles of impeachment. First, the President has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Our soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American or Hispanic-American. They may be volunteers technically, but their voluntarism is based on the coercion of a system that has denied viable opportunities to these classes of our citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and the minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. Let me add that since 1981 we have suffered the Reagan-Bush and now the Bush war against the poor, and to add insult to injury, we now are asking the poor to fight while here, as a result of this fight, even the meager programs that the Congress had seen fit to preserve as a national policy will suffer because the money for those programs will be diverted to the cause of this unnecessary war. Article II of this resolution states that the President has violated the Constitution, Federal law, and the U.N. Charter by bribing, intimidating, and threatening others, including the members of the U.N. Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. It is clear that the President paid off members of the U.N. Security Council in return for their votes in support of war against Iraq or to abstain from voting contrariwise. The debt of Egypt was, for example, forgiven--$7 billion, without congressional approval. That, I think, casts doubtful validity on that Presidential action. The reason for the cancellation of that debt is so that we can then provide an equally enormous amount of armament for Egypt which it cannot obtain because of the debt outstanding. A $140 million loan to China was agreed to. The Soviet Union was promised over $7 billion in aid. This is a sum totally unreported in our country but very well discussed in foreign country presses such as Germany and others. Colombia was promised assistance to its armed forces. Zaire was promised military assistance and partial forgiveness of its debt. Saudi Arabia was promised $12 billion in arms, and more than that. Actually in October, the President let them have $2.2 billion, and there was a commitment for $21 billion more, but because of the outcry in Congress and the Israeli opposition, that is being postponed. But there is still a commitment for $22 billion. I am sure this month will see the initial efforts to bring about compliance with that commitment. Yemen was threatened with the termination of support, and the United States finally paid off $187 million of its debt to the United Nations after the vote President Bush sought was made. This is all so ironic. When our President ran for the U.S. Senate in the 1960's, he told the people of Texas that if he would be elected to the Senate, he would lead the fight to remove the United States from the United Nations if what he called Red China at that time was admitted. Fate and power almighty have a very, very mysterious way of working together. Who was to believe during that year in that race in Texas that years later this same man, now the President, would be the man the President would appoint to represent us in the United Nations and welcome Red China as a member of the United Nations. The vote was bought, and it will be paid for with the lives of our poor elements who are going to shoulder the fight. Article III states that the President has conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq, employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. No civilian lives have yet been lost that we know of, but when we start using the weapons of massive destruction that are in place for this war, there is no doubt that thousands of innocent civilians will lose their lives. As killings occur, the principles laid down in the Nuremberg trials will be applicable. Their deaths will not only be a moral outrage, they will constitute violations of international law. Article IV states that the President has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the U.N. Charter and international law. From August 1990 through January 1991 the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers lives were in jeopardy, rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. It is also ironic that what we have ended up with now is that the President has exchanged about 200 to 250 so-called hostages, Americans, all of them employees of oil companies in Kuwait or Iraq, and in exchange we now have close to 500,000 American soldiers as hostages. Hostages to the whims, the caprices, and the decisions and judgments made by other leaders, over which this President and our country has no control, all the way from Shamir of Israel to the immigrants in the Saudi sands. Article 5 states that the President has conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq, in violation of article 24 of the U.N. Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. Again, there is a violation of law by a President, who, believing and acting as if he is king, decides for the country, unilaterally, that war is the answer. Madam Speaker, it is a sad day for our country, and it will be an even sadder day once the fighting starts. President Bush must be stopped. A divided Congress reflecting the divided country is no way to conduct a war. The preservation of lives is at stake, and the preservation of our country, indeed, our democracy, is at stake as well. I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. All I ask is a hearing, as I have before, before the proper committee of proper jurisdiction, and that is it. I will argue the case there. The rest is up to the Members' judgment. Madam Speaker, I urge interest and support of this resolution, and to stand up to the President on behalf of the soldiers who will die, the civilians who will be massacred, and the Constitution that will be destroyed if this country goes to war in the Middle East. 102nd Congress H.Res.86 1st Session ____/s/ Henry B.Gonzalez____ Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. _______________________________________________ IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 21, 1991 (originally January 16, 1991) Mr. GONZALEZ submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Judiciary. ________________________________________________ A RESOLUTION Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Resolved, That George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the Senate: Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of all of the people of the United States of America, against George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors. ARTICLE I In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. U.S. soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American, and their military service is based on the coercion of an system that has denied viable economic opportunities to these classes of citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE II In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the U.S. Constitution, federal law and the United Nations Charter by bribing, intimidating and threatening others, including the members of the United Nations Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE III In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prepared, planned, and conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. This planning includes the placement and potential use of nuclear weapons, and the use of such indiscriminate weapons and massive killings by serial bombardment, or otherwise, of civilians violates the Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1923, the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Protocol I thereto, the Nuremberg Charter, the Genocide Convention and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE IV In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the United Nations Charter and international law. From August, 1990, through January, 1991, the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers' lives were in jeopardy - rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. The President has not received a declaration of war by Congress, and in contravention of the written word, the spirit, and the intent of the U.S. Constitution has declared that he will go to war regardless of the views of Congress and the American people. In failing to seek a declaration of war, and in declaring his intent to violate the Constitution in disregarding the acts of Congress - including the War Powers Resolution - George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE V In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has planned, prepared, and conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq in violation of Article 2(4) of the United Nations Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. * ================================================================ .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org .List Archives: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ .Subscribe: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:05 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War That should do it. Have the Constituent request the meeting and then bring you in with him/her to argue the case. They are taking a Thanksgiving Break so he should be returning home from DC soon. We need to stop this before Americans and Russians kill each other in Syria. A Bill of Impeachment would send a shot across the bow of the Harvard Law Grad Obama. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War I am not in his district, but a neighboring one; on his email list and contact him on various matters from time to time. I can probably did up a constituent to go with me. ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:54 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War Actually the best way is for someone living in his District to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. MOCs have to respond to their constituents. They don’t care all that much about non-constituents. Based upon my experience dealing with them over the years. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War The best way is for someone to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:47 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War Justin Amash? Any idea on how to persuade him to do so? KL ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Power To Declare War In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL From "The Hill:" Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 14:49:13 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 14:49:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh. And everyone gets my point about Bush Jr too. A Two’fer. Made my day! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:46 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G ; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: RE: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 Thanks Karen. I had not gotten that far in the NG yet. I wanted to deal with the Shitting Elephants Stampede here at the Illinois Nazis Law School. I can’t believe they published it. They did edit out the sentence where I said that Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color are the untermensch of the American Empire—Our New Jews. I mean it. I don’t use those words lightly. Look at how many millions of them we have murdered since Gulf War I in January 1991 that Clark, Gonzalez and I tried to stop 26 years ago today. I had gotten up at 6am to go into my office and do the first draft of the Gonzalez Impeachment Resolution, then faxed it in to Ramsey later in the day. We then publicly announced our National Campaign to Impeach Bush to Stop the War on Tuesday. But that’s alright. Everyone gets my point about Obama and that is what matters. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:46 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G >; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 Today’s “Letters to the Editor” in the News Gazette by Professor Boyle: Obama continued Bush atrocities Mon, 01/16/2017 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette My book "Tackling America's Toughest Questions" (Clarity Press: 2009) set forth a comprehensive analysis and critique of all the atrocities President George W. Bush et al. inflicted upon international law, human rights law, the U.S. Constitution and innocent human beings, starting from when he stole the presidency courtesy of five Republicans on the U.S. Supreme Court in the fall of 2000. I decided to hold off writing the conclusion until after President Barack Obama came to power in January 2009. Therein I prognosticated: "Despite their presidential campaign rhetoric promoting 'change,' three weeks into the Obama/Clinton administration the continuity of policies across the board with the Bush administration is striking notwithstanding their change in atmospherics. It very well could be that despite our best efforts, hopes and expectations for instituting real political 'change' by means of the 2008 U.S. national elections, the American people are going to see in operation a Third Bush Term or at least a hybrid Obama/Bush/Clinton administration. " A third and a fourth Bush terms are more like it. The distinction between Obama and Bush is that Obama is a lawyer who fully comprehends his monstrous crimes and hideous atrocities that he has inflicted against international law, human rights law, the Constitution and Muslims/Arabs/Asians of color all over the world. Obama and I had the same jurisprudence teacher at Harvard: Roberto Unger. Speaking on the BBC Hardtalk Program, Professor Unger stated: "Obama is a disaster!" Professor Unger always taught his law students by his own example to speak truth to power. FRANCIS A. BOYLE Champaign On Jan 16, 2017, at 03:20, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Thanks Jay. Sorry I have not read his book. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Jay Becker [mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:17 AM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G >; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green >; Karen Aram > Subject: Re: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 I think that''s basically Andrew Becavich's approach in "America's War for the Greater Middle East," one long war since what's called the First Persian Gulf War (I haven't read the book, however). And the incoming commander in chief says he'll "bomb the shit out of 'em." Then Exxon can come in, clean it all up, and "we'll have the oil." Jay On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: And if I remember correctly in his book Thucydides looked at 27 years of unmitigated warfare by his Athenian Republic and argued that in fact they constituted one extended war, which he called The Peloponnesian War. Well I look at the past 27 years of unmitigated warfare by the American Republic in order to steal the oil and gas of the Middle East and Central Asia and call it one extended war: The Hydrocarbon War. Will we suffer the same Fate as Athens? Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 9:05 PM To: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Estabrook, Carl G >; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Jay >; Joe Lauria >; David Green >; Karen Aram > Subject: Bush Sr Impeachment Resolution January 1991 26 years ago on a Sunday evening Ramsey Clark, Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez of Texas and I agreed to set up a National Campaign to Impeach President George Bush Sr in order to prevent his war against Iraq. Ramsey asked me to do the first draft of what later became the Gonzalez Impeachment Resolution against President Bush Sr set forth below. We did not stop that war. But in his Memoirs Bush stated that the reason he stopped the war at Basra and did not go all the way to Baghdad was that he feared impeachment. Fab. -----Original Message----- From: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com [mailto:nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:50 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] Henry Gonzalez Resol'n to Impeach Bush I (1991) Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Jan 18, 2006 The Gonzalez Resolution to Impeach George Bush Congressional Record, Jan. 16, 1991, at H520-21. RESOLUTION OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from Texas [Mr. GONZALEZ] is recognized for 60 minutes. Mr. GONZALEZ, Madam Speaker, it is with great sadness, and yet with equally great, if not greater, conviction, that I introduce today a resolution of impeachment of President Bush. It is known as House Resolution 34, and I will provide this resolution as introduced to be appended at the end of my remarks today. At a time when our Nation is deeply divided over the question of war, we find ourselves on the brink of a world war of such magnitude that our minds cannot fully comprehend the destruction that is about to be leveled. The position we are in is a direct result of the actions of one man and the reactions of another. The Iraqi people are as opposed to war as are the American people. The difference is that the Iraqi people have no choice but to support their country's leader, but the American people not only have the right to oppose and speak out in disagreement with the President, but they have the responsibility to do so if our democracy is to be preserved. Today I exercise this constitutional right and responsibility to speak out in opposition to war in the Middle East and in support of removal of our Nation's Chief Executive. When I took the oath of office earlier this month, as I had numerous times before, I swore to uphold the Constitution. The President's oath was the same, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. We did not pledge an oath of allegiance to the President but to the Constitution, which is the highest law of the land. The Constitution provides for removal of the President when he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, including violations of the principles of the Constitution. President Bush has violated these principles. My resolution has five articles of impeachment. First, the President has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Our soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American or Hispanic-American. They may be volunteers technically, but their voluntarism is based on the coercion of a system that has denied viable opportunities to these classes of our citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and the minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. Let me add that since 1981 we have suffered the Reagan-Bush and now the Bush war against the poor, and to add insult to injury, we now are asking the poor to fight while here, as a result of this fight, even the meager programs that the Congress had seen fit to preserve as a national policy will suffer because the money for those programs will be diverted to the cause of this unnecessary war. Article II of this resolution states that the President has violated the Constitution, Federal law, and the U.N. Charter by bribing, intimidating, and threatening others, including the members of the U.N. Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. It is clear that the President paid off members of the U.N. Security Council in return for their votes in support of war against Iraq or to abstain from voting contrariwise. The debt of Egypt was, for example, forgiven--$7 billion, without congressional approval. That, I think, casts doubtful validity on that Presidential action. The reason for the cancellation of that debt is so that we can then provide an equally enormous amount of armament for Egypt which it cannot obtain because of the debt outstanding. A $140 million loan to China was agreed to. The Soviet Union was promised over $7 billion in aid. This is a sum totally unreported in our country but very well discussed in foreign country presses such as Germany and others. Colombia was promised assistance to its armed forces. Zaire was promised military assistance and partial forgiveness of its debt. Saudi Arabia was promised $12 billion in arms, and more than that. Actually in October, the President let them have $2.2 billion, and there was a commitment for $21 billion more, but because of the outcry in Congress and the Israeli opposition, that is being postponed. But there is still a commitment for $22 billion. I am sure this month will see the initial efforts to bring about compliance with that commitment. Yemen was threatened with the termination of support, and the United States finally paid off $187 million of its debt to the United Nations after the vote President Bush sought was made. This is all so ironic. When our President ran for the U.S. Senate in the 1960's, he told the people of Texas that if he would be elected to the Senate, he would lead the fight to remove the United States from the United Nations if what he called Red China at that time was admitted. Fate and power almighty have a very, very mysterious way of working together. Who was to believe during that year in that race in Texas that years later this same man, now the President, would be the man the President would appoint to represent us in the United Nations and welcome Red China as a member of the United Nations. The vote was bought, and it will be paid for with the lives of our poor elements who are going to shoulder the fight. Article III states that the President has conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq, employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. No civilian lives have yet been lost that we know of, but when we start using the weapons of massive destruction that are in place for this war, there is no doubt that thousands of innocent civilians will lose their lives. As killings occur, the principles laid down in the Nuremberg trials will be applicable. Their deaths will not only be a moral outrage, they will constitute violations of international law. Article IV states that the President has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the U.N. Charter and international law. From August 1990 through January 1991 the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers lives were in jeopardy, rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. It is also ironic that what we have ended up with now is that the President has exchanged about 200 to 250 so-called hostages, Americans, all of them employees of oil companies in Kuwait or Iraq, and in exchange we now have close to 500,000 American soldiers as hostages. Hostages to the whims, the caprices, and the decisions and judgments made by other leaders, over which this President and our country has no control, all the way from Shamir of Israel to the immigrants in the Saudi sands. Article 5 states that the President has conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq, in violation of article 24 of the U.N. Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. Again, there is a violation of law by a President, who, believing and acting as if he is king, decides for the country, unilaterally, that war is the answer. Madam Speaker, it is a sad day for our country, and it will be an even sadder day once the fighting starts. President Bush must be stopped. A divided Congress reflecting the divided country is no way to conduct a war. The preservation of lives is at stake, and the preservation of our country, indeed, our democracy, is at stake as well. I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. All I ask is a hearing, as I have before, before the proper committee of proper jurisdiction, and that is it. I will argue the case there. The rest is up to the Members' judgment. Madam Speaker, I urge interest and support of this resolution, and to stand up to the President on behalf of the soldiers who will die, the civilians who will be massacred, and the Constitution that will be destroyed if this country goes to war in the Middle East. 102nd Congress H.Res.86 1st Session ____/s/ Henry B.Gonzalez____ Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. _______________________________________________ IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES February 21, 1991 (originally January 16, 1991) Mr. GONZALEZ submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Judiciary. ________________________________________________ A RESOLUTION Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of high crimes and misdemeanors. Resolved, That George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the Senate: Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of all of the people of the United States of America, against George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors. ARTICLE I In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. U.S. soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and Mexican-American, and their military service is based on the coercion of an system that has denied viable economic opportunities to these classes of citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE II In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has violated the U.S. Constitution, federal law and the United Nations Charter by bribing, intimidating and threatening others, including the members of the United Nations Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE III In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has prepared, planned, and conspired to engage in a massive war against Iraq employing methods of mass destruction that will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be children. This planning includes the placement and potential use of nuclear weapons, and the use of such indiscriminate weapons and massive killings by serial bombardment, or otherwise, of civilians violates the Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1923, the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Protocol I thereto, the Nuremberg Charter, the Genocide Convention and the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE IV In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has committed the United States to acts of war without congressional consent and contrary to the United Nations Charter and international law. From August, 1990, through January, 1991, the President embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers' lives were in jeopardy - rendering any substantive debate by Congress meaningless. The President has not received a declaration of war by Congress, and in contravention of the written word, the spirit, and the intent of the U.S. Constitution has declared that he will go to war regardless of the views of Congress and the American people. In failing to seek a declaration of war, and in declaring his intent to violate the Constitution in disregarding the acts of Congress - including the War Powers Resolution - George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. ARTICLE V In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has planned, prepared, and conspired to commit crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq in violation of Article 2(4) of the United Nations Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United States. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States. Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office. * ================================================================ .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org .List Archives: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ .Subscribe: https://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:05 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War That should do it. Have the Constituent request the meeting and then bring you in with him/her to argue the case. They are taking a Thanksgiving Break so he should be returning home from DC soon. We need to stop this before Americans and Russians kill each other in Syria. A Bill of Impeachment would send a shot across the bow of the Harvard Law Grad Obama. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War I am not in his district, but a neighboring one; on his email list and contact him on various matters from time to time. I can probably did up a constituent to go with me. ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:54 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War Actually the best way is for someone living in his District to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. MOCs have to respond to their constituents. They don’t care all that much about non-constituents. Based upon my experience dealing with them over the years. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM To: 'Kary Love' >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War The best way is for someone to meet with him personally and convince him to do it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:47 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Re: Power To Declare War Justin Amash? Any idea on how to persuade him to do so? KL ________________________________ From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM Subject: RE: Power To Declare War We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Power To Declare War In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 16:07:38 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:07:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: RIP: The Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Junior Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:02 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: RIP: The Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Junior DITTO AND PARI PASSU FOR THE AMERICAN HYDROCARBON WAR AGAINST MUSLIMS/ARABS/ASIANS OF COLOR (1991--) FAB. "They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today: my own government." 4 April 1967 Beyond Vietnam** New York, N.Y. [Next entry] [http://kingencyclopedia.stanford.edu/images/uploads/call_to_cons_cover3.gif] Table of Contents View PDF Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, I need not pause to say how very delighted I am to be here tonight, and how very delighted I am to see you expressing your concern about the issues that will be discussed tonight by turning out in such large numbers. I also want to say that I consider it a great honor to share this program with Dr. Bennett, Dr. Commager, and Rabbi Heschel, some of the most distinguished leaders and personalities of our nation. And of course it's always good to come back to Riverside Church. Over the last eight years, I have had the privilege of preaching here almost every year in that period, and it's always a rich and rewarding experience to come to this great church and this great pulpit. I come to this great magnificent house of worship tonight because my conscience leaves me no other choice. I join you in this meeting because I am in deepest agreement with the aims and work of the organization that brought us together, Clergy and Laymen Concerned About Vietnam. The recent statements of your executive committee are the sentiments of my own heart, and I found myself in full accord when I read its opening lines: "A time comes when silence is betrayal." That time has come for us in relation to Vietnam. The truth of these words is beyond doubt, but the mission to which they call us is a most difficult one. Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government's policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within one's own bosom and in the surrounding world. Moreover, when the issues at hand seem as perplexing as they often do in the case of this dreadful conflict, we are always on the verge of being mesmerized by uncertainty. But we must move on. Some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony, but we must speak. We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision, but we must speak. And we must rejoice as well, for surely this is the first time in our nation's history that a significant number of its religious leaders have chosen to move beyond the prophesying of smooth patriotism to the high grounds of a firm dissent based upon the mandates of conscience and the reading of history. Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movement, and pray that our inner being may be sensitive to its guidance. For we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us. Over the past two years, as I have moved to break the betrayal of my own silences and to speak from the burnings of my own heart, as I have called for radical departures from the destruction of Vietnam, many persons have questioned me about the wisdom of my path. At the heart of their concerns, this query has often loomed large and loud: "Why are you speaking about the war, Dr. King? Why are you joining the voices of dissent?" "Peace and civil rights don't mix," they say. "Aren't you hurting the cause of your people?" they ask. And when I hear them, though I often understand the source of their concern, I am nevertheless greatly saddened, for such questions mean that the inquirers have not really known me, my commitment, or my calling. Indeed, their questions suggest that they do not know the world in which they live. In the light of such tragic misunderstanding, I deem it of signal importance to state clearly, and I trust concisely, why I believe that the path from Dexter Avenue Baptist Church-the church in Montgomery, Alabama, where I began my pastorate-leads clearly to this sanctuary tonight. I come to this platform tonight to make a passionate plea to my beloved nation. This speech is not addressed to Hanoi or to the National Liberation Front. It is not addressed to China or to Russia. Nor is it an attempt to overlook the ambiguity of the total situation and the need for a collective solution to the tragedy of Vietnam. Neither is it an attempt to make North Vietnam or the National Liberation Front paragons of virtue, nor to overlook the role they must play in the successful resolution of the problem. While they both may have justifiable reasons to be suspicious of the good faith of the United States, life and history give eloquent testimony to the fact that conflicts are never resolved without trustful give and take on both sides. Tonight, however, I wish not to speak with Hanoi and the National Liberation Front, but rather to my fellow Americans. Since I am a preacher by calling, I suppose it is not surprising that I have seven major reasons for bringing Vietnam into the field of my moral vision. There is at the outset a very obvious and almost facile connection between the war in Vietnam and the struggle I and others have been waging in America. A few years ago there was a shining moment in that struggle. It seemed as if there was a real promise of hope for the poor, both black and white, through the poverty program. There were experiments, hopes, new beginnings. Then came the buildup in Vietnam, and I watched this program broken and eviscerated as if it were some idle political plaything on a society gone mad on war. And I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as adventures like Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic, destructive suction tube. So I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such. Perhaps a more tragic recognition of reality took place when it became clear to me that the war was doing far more than devastating the hopes of the poor at home. It was sending their sons and their brothers and their husbands to fight and to die in extraordinarily high proportions relative to the rest of the population. We were taking the black young men who had been crippled by our society and sending them eight thousand miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia which they had not found in southwest Georgia and East Harlem. So we have been repeatedly faced with the cruel irony of watching Negro and white boys on TV screens as they kill and die together for a nation that has been unable to seat them together in the same schools. So we watch them in brutal solidarity burning the huts of a poor village, but we realize that they would hardly live on the same block in Chicago. I could not be silent in the face of such cruel manipulation of the poor. My third reason moves to an even deeper level of awareness, for it grows out of my experience in the ghettos of the North over the last three years, especially the last three summers. As I have walked among the desperate, rejected, and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they asked, and rightly so, "What about Vietnam?" They asked if our own nation wasn't using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today: my own government. For the sake of those boys, for the sake of this government, for the sake of the hundreds of thousands trembling under our violence, I cannot be silent. For those who ask the question, "Aren't you a civil rights leader?" and thereby mean to exclude me from the movement for peace, I have this further answer. In 1957, when a group of us formed the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, we chose as our motto: "To save the soul of America." We were convinced that we could not limit our vision to certain rights for black people, but instead affirmed the conviction that America would never be free or saved from itself until the descendants of its slaves were loosed completely from the shackles they still wear. In a way we were agreeing with Langston Hughes, that black bard from Harlem, who had written earlier: O, yes, I say it plain, America never was America to me, And yet I swear this oath- America will be! Now it should be incandescently clear that no one who has any concern for the integrity and life of America today can ignore the present war. If America's soul becomes totally poisoned, part of the autopsy must read "Vietnam." It can never be saved so long as it destroys the hopes of men the world over. So it is that those of us who are yet determined that "America will be" are led down the path of protest and dissent, working for the health of our land. As if the weight of such a commitment to the life and health of America were not enough, another burden of responsibility was placed upon me in 1954.* And I cannot forget that the Nobel Peace Prize was also a commission, a commission to work harder than I had ever worked before for the brotherhood of man. This is a calling that takes me beyond national allegiances. But even if it were not present, I would yet have to live with the meaning of my commitment to the ministry of Jesus Christ. To me, the relationship of this ministry to the making of peace is so obvious that I sometimes marvel at those who ask me why I am speaking against the war. Could it be that they do not know that the Good News was meant for all men-for communist and capitalist, for their children and ours, for black and for white, for revolutionary and conservative? Have they forgotten that my ministry is in obedience to the one who loved his enemies so fully that he died for them? What then can I say to the Vietcong or to Castro or to Mao as a faithful minister of this one? Can I threaten them with death or must I not share with them my life? Finally, as I try to explain for you and for myself the road that leads from Montgomery to this place, I would have offered all that was most valid if I simply said that I must be true to my conviction that I share with all men the calling to be a son of the living God. Beyond the calling of race or nation or creed is this vocation of sonship and brotherhood. Because I believe that the Father is deeply concerned, especially for His suffering and helpless and outcast children, I come tonight to speak for them. This I believe to be the privilege and the burden of all of us who deem ourselves bound by allegiances and loyalties which are broader and deeper than nationalism and which go beyond our nation's self-defined goals and positions. We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for the victims of our nation, for those it calls "enemy," for no document from human hands can make these humans any less our brothers. And as I ponder the madness of Vietnam and search within myself for ways to understand and respond in compassion, my mind goes constantly to the people of that peninsula. I speak now not of the soldiers of each side, not of the ideologies of the Liberation Front, not of the junta in Saigon, but simply of the people who have been living under the curse of war for almost three continuous decades now. I think of them, too, because it is clear to me that there will be no meaningful solution there until some attempt is made to know them and hear their broken cries. They must see Americans as strange liberators. The Vietnamese people proclaimed their own independence in 1954-in 1945 rather-after a combined French and Japanese occupation and before the communist revolution in China. They were led by Ho Chi Minh. Even though they quoted the American Declaration of Independence in their own document of freedom, we refused to recognize them. Instead, we decided to support France in its reconquest of her former colony. Our government felt then that the Vietnamese people were not ready for independence, and we again fell victim to the deadly Western arrogance that has poisoned the international atmosphere for so long. With that tragic decision we rejected a revolutionary government seeking self-determination and a government that had been established not by China-for whom the Vietnamese have no great love-but by clearly indigenous forces that included some communists. For the peasants this new government meant real land reform, one of the most important needs in their lives. For nine years following 1945 we denied the people of Vietnam the right of independence. For nine years we vigorously supported the French in their abortive effort to recolonize Vietnam. Before the end of the war we were meeting eighty percent of the French war costs. Even before the French were defeated at Dien Bien Phu, they began to despair of their reckless action, but we did not. We encouraged them with our huge financial and military supplies to continue the war even after they had lost the will. Soon we would be paying almost the full costs of this tragic attempt at recolonization. After the French were defeated, it looked as if independence and land reform would come again through the Geneva Agreement. But instead there came the United States, determined that Ho should not unify the temporarily divided nation, and the peasants watched again as we supported one of the most vicious modern dictators, our chosen man, Premier Diem. The peasants watched and cringed and Diem ruthlessly rooted out all opposition, supported their extortionist landlords, and refused even to discuss reunification with the North. The peasants watched as all of this was presided over by United States influence and then by increasing numbers of United States troops who came to help quell the insurgency that Diem's methods had aroused. When Diem was overthrown they may have been happy, but the long line of military dictators seemed to offer no real change, especially in terms of their need for land and peace. The only change came from America as we increased our troop commitments in support of governments which were singularly corrupt, inept, and without popular support. All the while the people read our leaflets and received the regular promises of peace and democracy and land reform. Now they languish under our bombs and consider us, not their fellow Vietnamese, the real enemy. They move sadly and apathetically as we herd them off the land of their fathers into concentration camps where minimal social needs are rarely met. They know they must move on or be destroyed by our bombs. So they go, primarily women and children and the aged. They watch as we poison their water, as we kill a million acres of their crops. They must weep as the bulldozers roar through their areas preparing to destroy the precious trees. They wander into the hospitals with at least twenty casualties from American firepower for one Vietcong-inflicted injury. So far we may have killed a million of them, mostly children. They wander into the towns and see thousands of the children, homeless, without clothes, running in packs on the streets like animals. They see the children degraded by our soldiers as they beg for food. They see the children selling their sisters to our soldiers, soliciting for their mothers. What do the peasants think as we ally ourselves with the landlords and as we refuse to put any action into our many words concerning land reform? What do they think as we test out our latest weapons on them, just as the Germans tested out new medicine and new tortures in the concentration camps of Europe? Where are the roots of the independent Vietnam we claim to be building? Is it among these voiceless ones? We have destroyed their two most cherished institutions: the family and the village. We have destroyed their land and their crops. We have cooperated in the crushing of the nation's only noncommunist revolutionary political force, the unified Buddhist Church. We have supported the enemies of the peasants of Saigon. We have corrupted their women and children and killed their men. Now there is little left to build on, save bitterness. Soon the only solid physical foundations remaining will be found at our military bases and in the concrete of the concentration camps we call "fortified hamlets." The peasants may well wonder if we plan to build our new Vietnam on such grounds as these. Could we blame them for such thoughts? We must speak for them and raise the questions they cannot raise. These, too, are our brothers. Perhaps a more difficult but no less necessary task is to speak for those who have been designated as our enemies. What of the National Liberation front, that strangely anonymous group we call "VC" or "communists"? What must they think of the United States of America when they realize that we permitted the repression and cruelty of Diem, which helped to bring them into being as a resistance group in the South? What do they think of our condoning the violence which led to their own taking up of arms? How can they believe in our integrity when now we speak of "aggression from the North" as if there was nothing more essential to the war? How can they trust us when now we charge them with violence after the murderous reign of Diem and charge them with violence while we pour every new weapon of death into their land? Surely we must understand their feelings, even if we do not condone their actions. Surely we must see that the men we supported pressed them to their violence. Surely we must see that our own computerized plans of destruction simply dwarf their greatest acts. How do they judge us when our officials know that their membership is less than twenty-five percent communist, and yet insist on giving them the blanket name? What must they be thinking when they know that we are aware of their control of major sections of Vietnam, and yet we appear ready to allow national elections in which this highly organized political parallel government will not have a part? They ask how we can speak of free elections when the Saigon press is censored and controlled by the military junta. And they are surely right to wonder what kind of new government we plan to help form without them, the only real party in real touch with the peasants. They question our political goals and they deny the reality of a peace settlement from which they will be excluded. Their questions are frighteningly relevant. Is our nation planning to build on political myth again, and then shore it up upon the power of a new violence? Here is the true meaning and value of compassion and nonviolence, when it helps us to see the enemy's point of view, to hear his questions, to know his assessment of ourselves. For from his view we may indeed see the basic weaknesses of our own condition, and if we are mature, we may learn and grow and profit from the wisdom of the brothers who are called the opposition. So, too, with Hanoi. In the North, where our bombs now pummel the land, and our mines endanger the waterways, we are met by a deep but understandable mistrust. To speak for them is to explain this lack of confidence in Western worlds, and especially their distrust of American intentions now. In Hanoi are the men who led this nation to independence against the Japanese and the French, the men who sought membership in the French Commonwealth and were betrayed by the weakness of Paris and the willfulness of the colonial armies. It was they who led a second struggle against French domination at tremendous costs, and then were persuaded to give up the land they controlled between the thirteenth and seventeenth parallel as a temporary measure at Geneva. After 1954 they watched us conspire with Diem to prevent elections which could have surely brought Ho Chi Minh to power over a unified Vietnam, and they realized they had been betrayed again. When we ask why they do not leap to negotiate, these things must be considered. Also, it must be clear that the leaders of Hanoi considered the presence of American troops in support of the Diem regime to have been the initial military breach of the Geneva Agreement concerning foreign troops. They remind us that they did not begin to send troops in large numbers and even supplies into the South until American forces had moved into the tens of thousands. Hanoi remembers how our leaders refused to tell us the truth about the earlier North Vietnamese overtures for peace, how the president claimed that none existed when they had clearly been made. Ho Chi Minh has watched as America has spoken of peace and built up its forces, and now he has surely heard the increasing international rumors of American plans for an invasion of the north. He knows the bombing and shelling and mining we are doing are part of traditional pre-invasion strategy. Perhaps only his sense of humor and of irony can save him when he hears the most powerful nation of the world speaking of aggression as it drops thousands of bombs on a poor, weak nation more than eight hundred, or rather, eight thousand miles away from its shores. At this point I should make it clear that while I have tried to give a voice to the voiceless in Vietnam and to understand the arguments of those who are called "enemy," I am as deeply concerned about our own troops there as anything else. For it occurs to me that what we are submitting them to in Vietnam is not simply the brutalizing process that goes on in any war where armies face each other and seek to destroy. We are adding cynicism to the process of death, for they must know after a short period there that none of the things we claim to be fighting for are really involved. Before long they must know that their government has sent them into a struggle among Vietnamese, and the more sophisticated surely realize that we are on the side of the wealthy, and the secure, while we create a hell for the poor. Surely this madness must cease. We must stop now. I speak as a child of God and brother to the suffering poor of Vietnam. I speak for those whose land is being laid waste, whose homes are being destroy, whose culture is being subverted. I speak for the poor in America who are paying the double price of smashed hopes at home, and dealt death and corruption in Vietnam. I speak as a citizen of the world, for the world as it stands aghast at the path we have taken. I speak as one who loves America, to the leaders of our own nation: The great initiative in this war is ours; the initiative to stop it must be ours. This is the message of the great Buddhist leaders of Vietnam. Recently one of them wrote these words, and I quote: Each day the war goes on the hatred increased in the hearts of the Vietnamese and in the hearts of those of humanitarian instinct. The Americans are forcing even their friends into becoming their enemies. It is curious that the Americans, who calculate so carefully on the possibilities of military victory, do not realize that in the process they are incurring deep psychological and political defeat. The image of America will never again be the image of revolution, freedom, and democracy, but the image of violence and militarism. Unquote. If we continue, there will be no doubt in my mind and in the mind of the world that we have no honorable intentions in Vietnam. If we do not stop our war against the people of Vietnam immediately, the world will be left with no other alternative than to see this as some horrible, clumsy, and deadly game we have decided to play. The world now demands a maturity of America that we may not be able to achieve. It demands that we admit we have been wrong from the beginning of our adventure in Vietnam, that we have been detrimental to the life of the Vietnamese people. The situation is one in which we must be ready to turn sharply from our present ways. In order to atone for our sins and errors in Vietnam, we should take the initiative in bringing a halt to this tragic war. I would like to suggest five concrete things that our government should do to begin the long and difficult process of extricating ourselves from this nightmarish conflict: Number one: End all bombing in North and South Vietnam. Number two: Declare a unilateral cease-fire in the hope that such action will create the atmosphere for negotiation. Three: Take immediate steps to prevent other battlegrounds in Southeast Asia by curtailing our military buildup in Thailand and our interference in Laos. Four: Realistically accept the fact that the National Liberation Front has substantial support in South Vietnam and must thereby play a role in any meaningful negotiations and any future Vietnam government. Five: Set a date that we will remove all foreign troops from Vietnam in accordance with the 1954 Geneva Agreement. [sustained applause] Part of our ongoing [applause continues], part of our ongoing commitment might well express itself in an offer to grant asylum to any Vietnamese who fears for his life under a new regime which included the Liberation Front. Then we must make what reparations we can for the damage we have done. We must provide the medical aid that is badly needed, making it available in this country if necessary. Meanwhile [applause], meanwhile, we in the churches and synagogues have a continuing task while we urge our government to disengage itself from a disgraceful commitment. We must continue to raise our voices and our lives if our nation persists in its perverse ways in Vietnam. We must be prepared to match actions with words by seeking out every creative method of protest possible. As we counsel young men concerning military service, we must clarify for them our nation's role in Vietnam and challenge them with the alternative of conscientious objection. [sustained applause] I am pleased to say that this is a path now chosen by more than seventy students at my own alma mater, Morehouse College, and I recommend it to all who find the American course in Vietnam a dishonorable and unjust one. [applause] Moreover, I would encourage all ministers of draft age to give up their ministerial exemptions and seek status as conscientious objectors. [applause] These are the times for real choices and not false ones. We are at the moment when our lives must be placed on the line if our nation is to survive its own folly. Every man of humane convictions must decide on the protest that best suits his convictions, but we must all protest. Now there is something seductively tempting about stopping there and sending us all off on what in some circles has become a popular crusade against the war in Vietnam. I say we must enter that struggle, but I wish to go on now to say something even more disturbing. The war in Vietnam is but a symptom of a far deeper malady within the American spirit, and if we ignore this sobering reality [applause], and if we ignore this sobering reality, we will find ourselves organizing "clergy and laymen concerned" committees for the next generation. They will be concerned about Guatemala and Peru. They will be concerned about Thailand and Cambodia. They will be concerned about Mozambique and South Africa. We will be marching for these and a dozen other names and attending rallies without end unless there is a significant and profound change in American life and policy. [sustained applause] So such thoughts take us beyond Vietnam, but not beyond our calling as sons of the living God. In 1957 a sensitive American official overseas said that it seemed to him that our nation was on the wrong side of a world revolution. During the past ten years we have seen emerge a pattern of suppression which has now justified the presence of U.S. military advisors in Venezuela. This need to maintain social stability for our investments accounts for the counterrevolutionary action of American forces in Guatemala. It tells why American helicopters are being used against guerrillas in Cambodia and why American napalm and Green Beret forces have already been active against rebels in Peru. It is with such activity that the words of the late John F. Kennedy come back to haunt us. Five years ago he said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." [applause] Increasingly, by choice or by accident, this is the role our nation has taken, the role of those who make peaceful revolution impossible by refusing to give up the privileges and the pleasures that come from the immense profits of overseas investments. I am convinced that if we are to get on to the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin [applause], we must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered. A true revolution of values will soon cause us to question the fairness and justice of many of our past and present policies. On the one hand we are called to play the Good Samaritan on life's roadside, but that will be only an initial act. One day we must come to see that the whole Jericho Road must be transformed so that men and women will not be constantly beaten and robbed as they make their journey on life's highway. True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar. It comes to see than an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. [applause] A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth. With righteous indignation, it will look across the seas and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa, and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say, "This is not just." It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of South America and say, "This is not just." The Western arrogance of feeling that it has everything to teach others and nothing to learn from them is not just. A true revolution of values will lay hand on the world order and say of war, "This way of settling differences is not just." This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death. [sustained applause] America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead the way in this revolution of values. There is nothing except a tragic death wish to prevent us from reordering our priorities so that the pursuit of peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war. There is nothing to keep us from molding a recalcitrant status quo with bruised hands until we have fashioned it into a brotherhood. This kind of positive revolution of values is our best defense against communism. [applause] War is not the answer. Communism will never be defeated by the use of atomic bombs or nuclear weapons. Let us not join those who shout war and, through their misguided passions, urge the United States to relinquish its participation in the United Nations. These are days which demand wise restraint and calm reasonableness. We must not engage in a negative anticommunism, but rather in a positive thrust for democracy [applause], realizing that our greatest defense against communism is to take offensive action in behalf of justice. We must with positive action seek to remove those conditions of poverty, insecurity, and injustice, which are the fertile soil in which the seed of communism grows and develops. These are revolutionary times. All over the globe men are revolting against old systems of exploitation and oppression, and out of the wounds of a frail world, new systems of justice and equality are being born. The shirtless and barefoot people of the land are rising up as never before. The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light. We in the West must support these revolutions. It is a sad fact that because of comfort, complacency, a morbid fear of communism, and our proneness to adjust to injustice, the Western nations that initiated so much of the revolutionary spirit of the modern world have now become the arch antirevolutionaries. This has driven many to feel that only Marxism has a revolutionary spirit. Therefore, communism is a judgment against our failure to make democracy real and follow through on the revolutions that we initiated. Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism. With this powerful commitment we shall boldly challenge the status quo and unjust mores, and thereby speed the day when "every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low [Audience:] (Yes); the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain." A genuine revolution of values means in the final analysis that our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than sectional. Every nation must now develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole in order to preserve the best in their individual societies. This call for a worldwide fellowship that lifts neighborly concern beyond one's tribe, race, class, and nation is in reality a call for an all-embracing and unconditional love for all mankind. This oft misunderstood, this oft misinterpreted concept, so readily dismissed by the Nietzsches of the world as a weak and cowardly force, has now become an absolute necessity for the survival of man. When I speak of love I am not speaking of some sentimental and weak response. I'm not speaking of that force which is just emotional bosh. I am speaking of that force which all of the great religions have seen as the supreme unifying principle of life. Love is somehow the key that unlocks the door which leads to ultimate reality. This Hindu-Muslim-Christian-Jewish-Buddhist belief about ultimate reality is beautifully summed up in the first epistle of Saint John: "Let us love one another (Yes), for love is God. (Yes) And every one that loveth is born of God and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love. . . . If we love one another, God dwelleth in us and his love is perfected in us." Let us hope that this spirit will become the order of the day. We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. The oceans of history are made turbulent by the ever-rising tides of hate. History is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued this self-defeating path of hate. As Arnold Toynbee says: "Love is the ultimate force that makes for the saving choice of life and good against the damning choice of death and evil. Therefore the first hope in our inventory must be the hope that love is going to have the last word." Unquote. We are now faced with the fact, my friends, that tomorrow is today. We are confronted with the fierce urgency of now. In this unfolding conundrum of life and history, there is such a thing as being too late. Procrastination is still the thief of time. Life often leaves us standing bare, naked, and dejected with a lost opportunity. The tide in the affairs of men does not remain at flood-it ebbs. We may cry out desperately for time to pause in her passage, but time is adamant to every plea and rushes on. Over the bleached bones and jumbled residues of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words, "Too late." There is an invisible book of life that faithfully records our vigilance or our neglect. Omar Khayyam is right: "The moving finger writes, and having writ moves on." We still have a choice today: nonviolent coexistence or violent coannihilation. We must move past indecision to action. We must find new ways to speak for peace in Vietnam and justice throughout the developing world, a world that borders on our doors. If we do not act, we shall surely be dragged down the long, dark, and shameful corridors of time reserved for those who possess power without compassion, might without morality, and strength without sight. Now let us begin. Now let us rededicate ourselves to the long and bitter, but beautiful, struggle for a new world. This is the calling of the sons of God, and our brothers wait eagerly for our response. Shall we say the odds are too great? Shall we tell them the struggle is too hard? Will our message be that the forces of American life militate against their arrival as full men, and we send our deepest regrets? Or will there be another message-of longing, of hope, of solidarity with their yearnings, of commitment to their cause, whatever the cost? The choice is ours, and though we might prefer it otherwise, we must choose in this crucial moment of human history. As that noble bard of yesterday, James Russell Lowell, eloquently stated: Once to every man and nation comes a moment do decide, In the strife of truth and Falsehood, for the good or evil side; Some great cause, God's new Messiah offering each the bloom or blight, And the choice goes by forever 'twixt that darkness and that light. Though the cause of evil prosper, yet 'tis truth alone is strong Though her portions be the scaffold, and upon the throne be wrong Yet that scaffold sways the future, and behind the dim unknown Standeth God within the shadow, keeping watch above his own. And if we will only make the right choice, we will be able to transform this pending cosmic elegy into a creative psalm of peace. If we will make the right choice, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our world into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. If we will but make the right choice, we will be able to speed up the day, all over America and all over the world, when justice will roll down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. [sustained applause] *. King says "1954," but most likely means 1964, the year he received the Nobel Peace Prize. 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John Brennan’s pointed message on national television came just five days before Trump becomes the nation’s 45th president amid lingering questions about Russia’s role in the 2016 election, even as the focus shifts to the challenges of governing. “Now that he’s going to have an opportunity to do something for our national security as opposed to talking and tweeting, he’s going to have tremendous responsibility to make sure that U.S. and national security interests are protected,” Brennan said on “Fox News Sunday,” warning that the president-elect’s impulsivity could be dangerous. “Spontaneity is not something that protects national security interests,” Brennan declared. Trump, who has unleashed a series of aggressive tweets against the U.S. intelligence community and his political rivals in recent weeks, did not respond to Brennan’s criticism. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 16 16:18:16 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:18:16 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A must listen podcast interview with Douglas Valentine, author of The Phoenix Program, bringing us up to date. Message-ID: “Guns and Butter” section on January 11th, 2017 https://kpfa.org/player/?audio=251525 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 16:19:13 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:19:13 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The times we live in In-Reply-To: References: <1288690132.6148498.1484582690627.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1288690132.6148498.1484582690627@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: He’d better keep that private security arrangement: http://yournewswire.com/german-newspaper-editor-exposed-cia-dead/ > On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > A sure sign that Trump isn’t toeing the CIA line…… > > >> On Jan 16, 2017, at 08:04, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> CIA DIRECTOR SPEAKS OUT >> Brennan blasts Trump >> NEW YORK (AP) — The outgoing CIA director charged on Sunday that Donald Trump lacks a full understanding of the threat Moscow poses to the United States, delivering a public lecture to the president-elect that further highlighted the bitter state of Trump’s relations with American intelligence agencies. >> John Brennan’s pointed message on national television came just five days before Trump becomes the nation’s 45th president amid lingering questions about Russia’s role in the 2016 election, even as the focus shifts to the challenges of governing. >> “Now that he’s going to have an opportunity to do something for our national security as opposed to talking and tweeting, he’s going to have tremendous responsibility to make sure that U.S. and national security interests are protected,” Brennan said on “Fox News Sunday,” warning that the president-elect’s impulsivity could be dangerous. >> “Spontaneity is not something that protects national security interests,” Brennan declared. >> Trump, who has unleashed a series of aggressive tweets against the U.S. intelligence community and his political rivals in recent weeks, did not respond to Brennan’s criticism. >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook > wrote: He’d better keep that private security arrangement: http://yournewswire.com/german-newspaper-editor-exposed-cia-dead/ On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: A sure sign that Trump isn’t toeing the CIA line…… On Jan 16, 2017, at 08:04, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: CIA DIRECTOR SPEAKS OUT Brennan blasts Trump NEW YORK (AP) — The outgoing CIA director charged on Sunday that Donald Trump lacks a full understanding of the threat Moscow poses to the United States, delivering a public lecture to the president-elect that further highlighted the bitter state of Trump’s relations with American intelligence agencies. John Brennan’s pointed message on national television came just five days before Trump becomes the nation’s 45th president amid lingering questions about Russia’s role in the 2016 election, even as the focus shifts to the challenges of governing. “Now that he’s going to have an opportunity to do something for our national security as opposed to talking and tweeting, he’s going to have tremendous responsibility to make sure that U.S. and national security interests are protected,” Brennan said on “Fox News Sunday,” warning that the president-elect’s impulsivity could be dangerous. “Spontaneity is not something that protects national security interests,” Brennan declared. 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 16:47:52 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:47:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Suggestion from Ed Norton Professor of Law, Carl Schmitt College of Law In-Reply-To: <4cf15da3f46a55506a0d13f6413d2c88@www1.wsws.org> References: <4cf15da3f46a55506a0d13f6413d2c88@www1.wsws.org> Message-ID: "Researchers in physical anthropology, biology and law were, according to Weinreich, especially ready to embrace national socialism. Among the legal experts, Carl Schmitt was the most famous. As a legal theoretician, he provided the ideological foundation for legitimizing National Socialist legislation, and took part in numerous Nazi conferences on the "Jewish question." During the Second World War his works were used to justify the German National Socialists' claim for world domination." ------------------- Ditto and Pari Passu for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty Against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--America's untermensch, our New Jews--in order to steal their oil and gas. The American Hydrocarbon War (1991--). Ditto for Harvard and Yale Law Schools. The Nazis had their law schools too. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Ed Norton Professor of Law, Carl Schmitt College of Law [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:32 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Subject: Suggestion from Ed Norton Professor of Law, Carl Schmitt College of Law Hi fab, Ed Norton Professor of Law, Carl Schmitt College of Law visited World Socialist Web Site and suggests you go to the following URL: http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/01/16/hitp-j16.html Ed Norton Professor of Law, Carl Schmitt College of Law says: The Nazis had their law schools too. World Socialist Web Site http://www.wsws.org/ From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 16 19:33:23 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 19:33:23 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Obama continued Bush atrocities Message-ID: Yeah, and the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty maliciously supported and advanced the Obama/Bush atrocities against international law, human rights law, the United States Constitution, and Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color—America’s untermensch, our New Jews. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Obama continued Bush atrocities My book "Tackling America's Toughest Questions" (Clarity Press: 2009) set forth a comprehensive analysis and critique of all the atrocities President George W. Bush et al. inflicted upon international law, human rights law, the U.S. Constitution and innocent human beings, starting from when he stole the presidency courtesy of five Republicans on the U.S. Supreme Court in the fall of 2000. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 03:35:57 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 21:35:57 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. —CGE > From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War > > > > We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > Law Building > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > (personal comments only) > > > > > > From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Power To Declare War > > > > In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. > > > > The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL > > > > > > From "The Hill:" > > > > Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote > > > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 03:44:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 03:44:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> References: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder and numerous other atrocities. Put them all in jail where they belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has universal jurisdiction to try them. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Re: Impeachment Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. —CGE > From: "Boyle, Francis A" > To: Kary Love ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War > > > > We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > Law Building > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > (personal comments only) > > > > > > From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds > Subject: Power To Declare War > > > > In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. > > > > The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL > > > > > > From "The Hill:" > > > > Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote > > > From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 03:47:56 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 21:47:56 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: References: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <9EE1E03E-3FF9-4402-A25D-A33D85EB12FD@illinois.edu> But it would be interesting to meet an impeachment resolution against Trump (which the Democrats keep threatening) with an impeachment resolution against Obama! > On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder and numerous other atrocities. Put them all in jail where they belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has universal jurisdiction to try them. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment > > Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. > > —CGE > > >> From: "Boyle, Francis A" >> To: Kary Love ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM >> Subject: RE: Power To Declare War >> >> >> >> We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. >> >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> >> Law Building >> >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM >> To: Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds >> Subject: Power To Declare War >> >> >> >> In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. >> >> >> >> The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL >> >> >> >> >> >> From "The Hill:" >> >> >> >> Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote >> >> >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 04:05:04 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 04:05:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: <9EE1E03E-3FF9-4402-A25D-A33D85EB12FD@illinois.edu> References: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> <9EE1E03E-3FF9-4402-A25D-A33D85EB12FD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: This campaign of impeaching Trump for violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution is so much Dems hypocrisy that it stinks to high heaven--not to excuse Trump. But while Clinton was Secretary of State we never heard even one word by anyone about impeaching Clinton on the basis of the Emoluments Clause for her ties to the Clinton Foundation and all of the influence peddling there by foreign governments and potentates. If you are watching the Tubes and the Newspeak Times et al the Dems Media are constantly trotting out this Federalist Society Law Professor Richard Painter for this EC proposition. LOL! The Dems Media always state that his primary qualification is that he was the White House Ethics Adviser to President Bush Jr for two years. LOL! In other words, he was covered in the Blood of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color from his head to his toes 24/7 while given ethics advise to Genghis Khan in the White House. Painter used to teach here at the Illinois Nazis Law School. No surprise there at all. Bushie Ethics. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:48 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Re: Impeachment But it would be interesting to meet an impeachment resolution against Trump (which the Democrats keep threatening) with an impeachment resolution against Obama! > On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder and numerous other atrocities. Put them all in jail where they belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has universal jurisdiction to try them. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment > > Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. > > —CGE > > >> From: "Boyle, Francis A" >> To: Kary Love ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM >> Subject: RE: Power To Declare War >> >> >> >> We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. >> >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> >> Law Building >> >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM >> To: Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds >> Subject: Power To Declare War >> >> >> >> In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. >> >> >> >> The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL >> >> >> >> >> >> From "The Hill:" >> >> >> >> Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote >> >> >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 04:23:44 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 04:23:44 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: References: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> <9EE1E03E-3FF9-4402-A25D-A33D85EB12FD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: My sincere apologies to Mongolia for comparing Bush Jr and Painter to Genghis Khan who is a national hero there. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:05 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: RE: Impeachment This campaign of impeaching Trump for violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution is so much Dems hypocrisy that it stinks to high heaven--not to excuse Trump. But while Clinton was Secretary of State we never heard even one word by anyone about impeaching Clinton on the basis of the Emoluments Clause for her ties to the Clinton Foundation and all of the influence peddling there by foreign governments and potentates. If you are watching the Tubes and the Newspeak Times et al the Dems Media are constantly trotting out this Federalist Society Law Professor Richard Painter for this EC proposition. LOL! The Dems Media always state that his primary qualification is that he was the White House Ethics Adviser to President Bush Jr for two years. LOL! In other words, he was covered in the Blood of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color from his head to his toes 24/7 while given ethics advise to Genghis Khan in the White House. Painter used to teach here at the Illinois Nazis Law School. No surprise there at all. Bushie Ethics. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:48 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Re: Impeachment But it would be interesting to meet an impeachment resolution against Trump (which the Democrats keep threatening) with an impeachment resolution against Obama! > On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder and numerous other atrocities. Put them all in jail where they belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has universal jurisdiction to try them. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment > > Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. > > —CGE > > >> From: "Boyle, Francis A" >> To: Kary Love ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM >> Subject: RE: Power To Declare War >> >> >> >> We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. >> >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> >> Law Building >> >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> >> Champaign, IL 61820 USA >> >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM >> To: Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds >> Subject: Power To Declare War >> >> >> >> In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. >> >> >> >> The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL >> >> >> >> >> >> From "The Hill:" >> >> >> >> Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote >> >> >> > From davidcnswanson at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 04:27:35 2017 From: davidcnswanson at gmail.com (David Swanson) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:27:35 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: References: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: How do we do that? On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at > Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, > crimes against humanity, murder and numerous other atrocities. Put them > all in jail where they belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no > Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has > universal jurisdiction to try them. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, > Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; > sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David > Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists. > chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David > Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; > David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment > > Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction > making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should > be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a > movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. > > —CGE > > > > From: "Boyle, Francis A" > > To: Kary Love ; Terry Lodge ; > Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds < > sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM > > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War > > > > > > > > We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment > against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me > one. Fab. > > > > > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > > > Law Building > > > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > > > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > > > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > > > (personal comments only) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM > > To: Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge < > tjlodge50 at yahoo.com>; Brad Springer ; Scot > Reynolds > > Subject: Power To Declare War > > > > > > > > In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare > war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the > representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, > this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not > delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of > powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war > by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create > fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one > reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. > Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation > of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in > this most fearsome of governmental acts. > > > > > > > > The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by > "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the > executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an > impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those > holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with > their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters > when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering > candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the > national government is the Constitution. When the government actions > destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to > the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is > dissolved. KL > > > > > > > > > > > > From "The Hill:" > > > > > > > > Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote > > > > > > > > -- *David Swanson *is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include *War Is A Lie *. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org . He hosts Talk Nation Radio . He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 12:10:49 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 12:10:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: References: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: They are all on my list of things to do, including Killer Koh. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:28 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Re: Impeachment How do we do that? On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder and numerous other atrocities. Put them all in jail where they belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has universal jurisdiction to try them. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. —CGE > From: "Boyle, Francis A" > > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War > > > > We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > Law Building > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > (personal comments only) > > > > > > From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > > Subject: Power To Declare War > > > > In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. > > > > The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL > > > > > > From "The Hill:" > > > > Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote > > > -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. 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BUSH TO THE HAGUE International Criminal Court Complaint Filed Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tenet, Rice and Gonzales INTERNATIONAL ARREST WARRANTS REQUESTED Professor Francis A. Boyle of the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign, U.S.A. has filed a Complaint with the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court (I.C.C.) in The Hague against U.S. citizens George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, and Alberto Gonzales (the “Accused”) for their criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” perpetrated upon about 100 human beings. This term is really their euphemism for the enforced disappearance of persons and their consequent torture. This criminal policy and practice by the Accused constitute Crimes against Humanity in violation of the Rome Statute establishing the I.C.C. The United States is not a party to the Rome Statute. Nevertheless the Accused have ordered and been responsible for the commission of I.C.C. statutory crimes within the respective territories of many I.C.C. member states, including several in Europe. Consequently, the I.C.C. has jurisdiction to prosecute the Accused for their I. C.C. statutory crimes under Rome Statute article 12(2)(a) that affords the I.C.C. jurisdiction to prosecute for I.C. C. statutory crimes committed in I.C.C. member states. The Complaint requests (1) that the I.C.C. Prosecutor open an investigation of the Accused on his own accord under Rome Statute article 15(1); and (2) that the I.C.C. Prosecutor also formally “submit to the [I.C.C.] Pre-Trial Chamber a request for authorization of an investigation” of the Accused under Rome Statute article 15(3). For similar reasons, the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration risk the filing of a follow-up Complaint with the I.C.C. if they do not immediately terminate the Accused’s criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition,” which the Obama administration has continued to implement. The Complaint concludes with a request that the I.C.C. Prosecutor obtain International Arrest Warrants for the Accused from the I.C.C. in accordance with Rome Statute articles 58(1)(a), 58(1)(b)(i), 58(1)(b)(ii), and 58(1)(b) (iii). In order to demonstrate your support for this Complaint you can contact the I.C.C. Prosecutor by letter, fax, or email as indicated below. The Honorable Luis Moreno-Ocampo Office of the Prosecutor International Criminal Court Post Office Box 19519 2500 CM, The Hague The Netherlands Fax No.: 31-70-515-8555 Email: OTP.InformationDesk at icc-cpi.int January 19, 2010 Dear Sir: Please accept my personal compliments. I have the honor hereby to file with you and the International Criminal Court this Complaint against U.S. citizens George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice , and Alberto Gonzales (hereinafter referred to as the “Accused”) for their criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition.” This term is really a euphemism for the enforced disappearancesof persons, their torture, severe deprivation of their liberty, their violent sexual abuse, and other inhumane acts perpetrated upon these Victims. The Accused have inflicted this criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” upon about one hundred (100) human beings, almost all of whom are Muslims/Arabs/Asians and People of Color. I doubt very seriously that the Accused would have inflicted these criminal practices upon 100 White Judeo-Christian men. The Accused’s criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” are both “widespread” and “systematic” within the meaning of Rome Statute article 7(1). Therefore the Accused have committed numerous “Crimes against Humanity” in flagrant and repeated and longstanding violation of Rome Statute articles 5(1)(b), 7(1)(a), 7 (1)(e), 7(1)(f), 7(1)(g), 7(1)(h), 7(1)(i), and 7(1)(k). Furthermore, the Accused’s Rome Statute Crimes Against Humanity of enforced disappearances of persons constitutes ongoing criminal activity that continues even as of today. The United States is not a contracting party to the Rome Statute. Nevertheless, the Accused ordered and were responsible for the commission of these I.C.C. statutory crimes on, in, and over the respective territories of several I.C.C. member states, including many located in Europe. Therefore, the I.C.C. has jurisdiction over the Accused for their I.C.C. statutory crimes in accordance with Rome Statute article 12(2)(a), which provides as follows: Article 12 Preconditions to the Exercise of Jurisdiction … 2. In the case of article 13, paragraph (a) or (c), the Court may exercise its jurisdiction if one or more of the following States are Parties to this Statute or have accepted the jurisdiction of the Court in accordance with paragraph 3: (a) The State on the territory of which the conduct in question occurred … So the fact that United States is not a contracting party to the Rome Statute is no bar to the I.C.C.’s prosecution of the Accused because they have ordered and been responsible for the commission of Rome Statute Crimes against Humanity on, in, and over the respective territories of several I.C.C. member states. Consequently, I hereby respectfully request that the Court exercise its jurisdiction over the Accused for these Crimes against Humanity in accordance with Rome Statute article 13(c), which provides as follows: Article 13 Exercise of Jurisdiction The Court may exercise its jurisdiction with respect to a crime referred to in article 5 in accordance with the provisions of this Statute if: … (c) The Prosecutor has initiated an investigation in respect of such a crime in accordance with article 15. Pursuant to Rome Statute article 13(c), I hereby respectfully request that you initiate an investigation proprio motu against the Accused in accordance with Rome Statute article 15(1): “The Prosecutor may initiate investigations proprio motu on the basis of information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court.” My detailed Complaint against the Accused constitutes the sufficient “information” required by article 15(1). Furthermore, I respectfully submit that this Complaint by itself constitutes “a reasonable basis to proceed with an investigation” under Rome Statute article 15(3). Hence, I also respectfully request that you formally “submit to the Pre-Trial Chamber a request for authorization of an investigation” of the Accused under Rome Statute article 15(3) at this time. Please inform me at your earliest convenience about the status and disposition of my two requests set forth immediately above. Based upon your extensive human rights work in Argentina, you know full well from direct personal experience the terrors and the horrors of enforced disappearances of persons and their consequent torture. According to reputable news media sources here in the United States, about 100 human beings have been subjected to enforced disappearances and subsequent torture by the Accused. We still have no accounting for these Victims. In other words, many of these Victims of enforced disappearances and torture by the Accused could still be alive today. Their very lives are at stake right now as we communicate. You could very well save some of their lives by publicly stating that you are opening an investigation of my Complaint. As for those Victims of enforced disappearances by the Accused who have died, your opening an investigation of my Complaint is the only means by which we might be able to obtain some explanation and accounting for their whereabouts and the location of their remains in order to communicate this critical information to their next- of-kin and loved-ones. Based upon your extensive experience combating enforced disappearances of persons and their consequent torture in Argentina, you know full well how important that objective is. The next-of-kin, loved-ones, and friends of “disappeared” human beings can never benefit from psychological “closure” unless and until there is an accounting for the fates, if not the remains, of the Victims. In part that is precisely why the Accused’s enforced disappearances of about 100 human beings constitutes ongoing criminal activity that continues as of today and will continue until the fates of all their Victims have been officially determined by you opening an investigation into my Complaint. Let us mutually suppose that during the so-called “dirty war” in Argentina the International Criminal Court had been in existence. I submit that as an Argentinean human rights lawyer you would have moved heaven and earth and done everything in your power to get the I.C.C. and its Prosecutor to assume jurisdiction over the Argentine Junta in order to terminate and prosecute their enforced disappearances and torture of your fellow Argentinean citizens. I would have done the same. Unfortunately, the I.C.C. did not exist during those darkest of days for the Argentine Republic when we could have so acted. But today as the I.C.C. Prosecutor, you have both the opportunity and the legal power to do something to rectify this mass and total human rights annihilation, and to resolve and to terminate and to prosecute the “widespread” and “systematic” policy and practice of enforced disappearances and consequent torture of about 100 human beings by the Accused. Unfortunately, the new Obama administration in the United States has made it perfectly clear by means of public statements by President Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder that they are not going to open any criminal investigation of any of the Accused for these aforementioned Crimes against Humanity. Hence an I.C.C. “case” against the Accused is “admissible” under Rome Statute article 1(complementarity) and article 17. As of right now you and the I.C.C. Judges are the only people in the entire world who can bring some degree of Justice, Closure, and Healing into this dire, tragic, and deplorable situation for the lives and well-being of about one hundred “disappeared” and tortured human beings as well as for their loved-ones and next-of-kin, who are also Victims of the Accused’s Crimes against Humanity. On behalf of them all, as a fellow human rights lawyer I implore you to open an investigation into my Complaint and to issue a public statement to that effect. Also, most regretfully, the new Obama administration has publicly stated that it will continue the Accused’s policy and practice of "extraordinary rendition," which is really their euphemism for enforced disappearances of human beings and consequent torture by other States. Hence the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration fully intend to commit their own Crimes against Humanity under the I.C.C. Rome Statute – unless you stop them! Your opening an investigation of my Complaint will undoubtedly deter the Obama administration from engaging in any more “extraordinary renditions” -- enforced disappearances of human beings and having them tortured by other States. Indeed your opening of an investigation into my Complaint might encourage the Obama administration to terminate its criminal “extraordinary rendition” program immediately and thoroughly by means of issuing a public statement to that effect. In other words, your opening an investigation of my Complaint could very well save the lives of a large number of additional human beings who otherwise will be subjected by the Obama administration to the Rome Statute Crimes against Humanity of enforced disappearances of persons and their consequent torture by other States, inter alia. The lives and well-being of countless human beings are now at risk, hanging in the balance, waiting for you to act promptly, effectively, and immediately to save them from becoming Victims of Rome Statute Crimes against Humanity perpetrated by the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration as successors-in-law to the Accused by opening an investigation of my Complaint. Otherwise, I shall be forced to file with you and the I.C.C. a follow-up Complaint against the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration. I certainly hope it will not come to that. Please make it so. Finally, for reasons more fully explained in the Conclusion to my Complaint, I respectfully request that you obtain I.C.C. arrest warrants for the Accused in accordance with Rome Statute articles 58(1)(a), article 58(1)(b)(i), article 58(1)(b)(ii), and article 58(1)(b)(iii). The sooner, the better for all humankind. I respectfully request that you schedule a meeting with me at our earliest mutual convenience in order to discuss this Complaint. I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. This transmission letter is an integral part of my Complaint against the Accused and is hereby incorporated by reference into the attached Complaint dated as of today as well. Please accept, Sir, the assurance of my highest consideration. Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law FRANCIS A. BOYLE is a leading American expert in international law. He was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia-Herzegovina at the World Court. He served as legal adviser to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East peace negotiations from 1991 to 1993. In 2007, he delivered the Bertrand Russell Peace Lectures. Previous Russell Lecturers have included E.P. Thompson, Elena Bonner, Edward Said, Ramsey Clark, Nobel Peace Prize Winner Joseph Rotblat, Johan Galtung, and Noam Chomsky. Professor Boyle teaches international law at the University of Illinois, Champaign and is author of, inter alia, The Future of International Law and American Foreign Policy, Foundations of World Order, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, Palestine, Palestinians and International Law, Destroying World Order, Biowarfare & Terrorism. And Tackling America’s Toughest Questions. He holds a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University. You are listed as a subscriber to the list of Clarity Press, Inc. If this is incorrect and you wish to be removed, please click here Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:11 AM To: 'David Swanson' Cc: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: RE: Impeachment They are all on my list of things to do, including Killer Koh. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:28 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment How do we do that? On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder and numerous other atrocities. Put them all in jail where they belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has universal jurisdiction to try them. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. —CGE > From: "Boyle, Francis A" > > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War > > > > We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > Law Building > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > (personal comments only) > > > > > > From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > > Subject: Power To Declare War > > > > In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. > > > > The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL > > > > > > From "The Hill:" > > > > Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote > > > -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidcnswanson at gmail.com Tue Jan 17 12:41:01 2017 From: davidcnswanson at gmail.com (David Swanson) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 07:41:01 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: References: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Here are 15,000 people in support: https://diy.rootsaction.org/petitions/people-of-the-u-s-and-world-ask-icc-to-prosecute-u-s-war-crimes On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > > *This Fall the ICC Prosecutor announced that she was investigating US > Torture in Afghanistan and also US officials for their policy of > Extraordinary Rendition. I also got the Prosecutor for the International > Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia to indict Milosevic for every > crime in the ICTY Statute, including 2 counts of genocide: One for > Srebrenica, the other for Bosnia in general. So Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh > et al. are all on my list of things to do. fab* > > > > *Subject:* Int'l Criminal Court Complaint Filed Against Bush et al. > > > > > *BUSH TO THE HAGUE * > > > > *International Criminal Court Complaint Filed Against Bush, Cheney, > Rumsfeld, Tenet, Rice and Gonzales INTERNATIONAL ARREST WARRANTS REQUESTED* > > Professor Francis A. Boyle of the University of Illinois College of Law in > Champaign, U.S.A. has filed a Complaint > with the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court (I.C.C.) in The > Hague against U.S. citizens George W. > Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, and > Alberto Gonzales (the > “Accused”) for their criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary > rendition” perpetrated upon about 100 human > beings. This term is really their euphemism for the enforced disappearance > of persons and their consequent > torture. This criminal policy and practice by the Accused constitute > Crimes against Humanity in violation of the > Rome Statute establishing the I.C.C. > > The United States is not a party to the Rome Statute. Nevertheless the > Accused have ordered and been > responsible for the commission of I.C.C. statutory crimes within the > respective territories of many I.C.C. member > states, including several in Europe. Consequently, the I.C.C. has > jurisdiction to prosecute the Accused for their I. > C.C. statutory crimes under Rome Statute article 12(2)(a) that affords the > I.C.C. jurisdiction to prosecute for I.C. > C. statutory crimes committed in I.C.C. member states. > > The Complaint requests (1) that the I.C.C. Prosecutor open an > investigation of the Accused on his own accord > under Rome Statute article 15(1); and (2) that the I.C.C. Prosecutor also > formally “submit to the [I.C.C.] Pre-Trial > Chamber a request for authorization of an investigation” of the Accused > under Rome Statute article 15(3). > > For similar reasons, the Highest Level Officials of the Obama > administration risk the filing of a follow-up > Complaint with the I.C.C. if they do not immediately terminate the > Accused’s criminal policy and practice of > “extraordinary rendition,” which the Obama administration has continued to > implement. > > The Complaint concludes with a request that the I.C.C. Prosecutor obtain > International Arrest Warrants for the > Accused from the I.C.C. in accordance with Rome Statute articles 58(1)(a), > 58(1)(b)(i), 58(1)(b)(ii), and 58(1)(b) > (iii). > > In order to demonstrate your support for this Complaint you can contact > the I.C.C. Prosecutor by letter, fax, or > email as indicated below. > > The Honorable Luis Moreno-Ocampo > Office of the Prosecutor > International Criminal Court > Post Office Box 19519 > 2500 CM, The Hague > The Netherlands > Fax No.: 31-70-515-8555 > Email: OTP.InformationDesk at icc-cpi.int > > January 19, 2010 > > Dear Sir: > > Please accept my personal compliments. I have the honor hereby to file > with you and the International Criminal > Court this Complaint against U.S. citizens George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, > Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, > Condoleezza Rice , and Alberto Gonzales (hereinafter referred to as the > “Accused”) for their criminal policy and > practice of “extraordinary rendition.” This term is really a euphemism for > the enforced disappearancesof > persons, their torture, severe deprivation of their liberty, their violent > sexual abuse, and other inhumane acts > perpetrated upon these Victims. The Accused have inflicted this criminal > policy and practice of “extraordinary > rendition” upon about one hundred (100) human beings, almost all of whom > are Muslims/Arabs/Asians and > People of Color. I doubt very seriously that the Accused would have > inflicted these criminal practices upon 100 > White Judeo-Christian men. > > The Accused’s criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” > are both “widespread” and “systematic” > within the meaning of Rome Statute article 7(1). Therefore the Accused > have committed numerous “Crimes > against Humanity” in flagrant and repeated and longstanding violation of > Rome Statute articles 5(1)(b), 7(1)(a), 7 > (1)(e), 7(1)(f), 7(1)(g), 7(1)(h), 7(1)(i), and 7(1)(k). Furthermore, the > Accused’s Rome Statute Crimes Against > Humanity of enforced disappearances of persons constitutes ongoing > criminal activity that continues even as of > today. > > The United States is not a contracting party to the Rome Statute. > Nevertheless, the Accused ordered and were > responsible for the commission of these I.C.C. statutory crimes on, in, > and over the respective territories of > several I.C.C. member states, including many located in Europe. Therefore, > the I.C.C. has jurisdiction over the > Accused for their I.C.C. statutory crimes in accordance with Rome Statute > article 12(2)(a), which provides as > follows: > > Article 12 > > Preconditions to the Exercise of Jurisdiction > > … > > 2. In the case of article 13, paragraph (a) or (c), the Court may exercise > its jurisdiction if one or more of the > following States are Parties to this Statute or have accepted the > jurisdiction of the Court in accordance with > paragraph 3: > > > (a) The State on the territory of which the conduct in question occurred … > > So the fact that United States is not a contracting party to the Rome > Statute is no bar to the I.C.C.’s prosecution > of the Accused because they have ordered and been responsible for the > commission of Rome Statute Crimes > against Humanity on, in, and over the respective > territories of several I.C.C. member states. > > Consequently, I hereby respectfully request that the Court exercise its > jurisdiction over the Accused for these > Crimes against Humanity in accordance with Rome Statute article 13(c), > which provides as follows: > > Article 13 > > Exercise of Jurisdiction > > The Court may exercise its jurisdiction with respect to a crime referred > to in article 5 in accordance with the > provisions of this Statute if: > > … > > (c) The Prosecutor has initiated an investigation in respect of such a > crime in accordance with article 15. > > Pursuant to Rome Statute article 13(c), I hereby respectfully request that > you initiate an investigation proprio > motu against the Accused in accordance with Rome Statute article 15(1): > “The Prosecutor may initiate > investigations proprio motu on the basis of information on crimes within > the jurisdiction of the Court.” My detailed > Complaint against the Accused constitutes the sufficient “information” > required by article 15(1). > > Furthermore, I respectfully submit that this Complaint by itself > constitutes “a reasonable basis to proceed with an > investigation” under Rome Statute article 15(3). Hence, I also > respectfully request that you formally “submit to > the Pre-Trial Chamber a request for authorization of an investigation” of > the Accused under Rome Statute article > 15(3) at this time. Please inform me at your earliest convenience about > the status and disposition of my two > requests set forth immediately above. > > Based upon your extensive human rights work in Argentina, you know full > well from direct personal experience > the terrors and the horrors of enforced disappearances of persons and > their consequent torture. According to > reputable news media sources here in the United States, about 100 human > beings have been subjected to > enforced disappearances and subsequent torture by the Accused. We still > have no accounting for these > Victims. In other words, many of these Victims of enforced disappearances > and torture by the Accused could still > be alive today. Their very lives are at stake right now as we communicate. > You could very well save some of > their lives by publicly stating that you are opening an investigation of > my Complaint. > > As for those Victims of enforced disappearances by the Accused who have > died, your opening an investigation > of my Complaint is the only means by which we might be able to obtain some > explanation and accounting for > their whereabouts and the location of their remains in order to > communicate this critical information to their next- > of-kin and loved-ones. Based upon your extensive experience combating > enforced disappearances of persons > and their consequent torture in Argentina, you know full well how > important that objective is. The next-of-kin, > loved-ones, and friends of “disappeared” human beings can never benefit > from psychological “closure” unless and until there is an accounting for > the fates, if not the remains, of the > Victims. In part that is precisely why the Accused’s enforced > disappearances of about 100 human beings > constitutes ongoing criminal activity that continues as of today and will > continue until the fates of all their Victims > have been officially determined by you opening an investigation into my > Complaint. > > Let us mutually suppose that during the so-called “dirty war” in Argentina > the International Criminal Court had > been in existence. I submit that as an Argentinean human rights lawyer you > would have moved heaven and > earth and done everything in your power to get the I.C.C. and its > Prosecutor to assume jurisdiction over the > Argentine Junta in order to terminate and prosecute their enforced > disappearances and torture of your fellow > Argentinean citizens. I would have done the same. Unfortunately, the > I.C.C. did not exist during those darkest of > days for the Argentine Republic when we could have so acted. But today as > the I.C.C. Prosecutor, you have > both the opportunity and the legal power to do something to rectify this > mass and total human rights annihilation, > and to resolve and to terminate and to prosecute the “widespread” and > “systematic” policy and practice of > enforced disappearances and consequent torture of about 100 human beings > by the Accused. > > Unfortunately, the new Obama administration in the United States has made > it perfectly clear by means of public > statements by President Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder that > they are not going to open any > criminal investigation of any of the Accused for these aforementioned > Crimes against Humanity. Hence an I.C.C. > “case” against the Accused is “admissible” under Rome Statute article > 1(complementarity) and article 17. As of > right now you and the I.C.C. Judges are the only people in the entire > world who can bring some degree of > Justice, Closure, and Healing into this dire, tragic, and deplorable > situation for the lives and well-being of about > one hundred “disappeared” and tortured human beings as well as for their > loved-ones and next-of-kin, who are > also Victims of the Accused’s Crimes against Humanity. On behalf of them > all, as a fellow human rights lawyer I > implore you to open an investigation into my Complaint and to issue a > public statement to that effect. > > Also, most regretfully, the new Obama administration has publicly stated > that it will continue the Accused’s policy > and practice of "extraordinary rendition," which is really their euphemism > for enforced disappearances of human > beings and consequent torture by other States. Hence the Highest Level > Officials of the Obama administration > fully intend to commit their own Crimes against Humanity under the I.C.C. > Rome Statute – unless you stop them! > Your opening an investigation of my Complaint will undoubtedly deter the > Obama administration from engaging > in any more “extraordinary renditions” -- enforced disappearances of human > beings and having them tortured > by other States. Indeed your opening of an investigation into my Complaint > might encourage the Obama > administration to terminate its criminal “extraordinary rendition” program > immediately and thoroughly by means > of issuing a public statement to that effect. In other words, your opening > an investigation of my Complaint could > very well save the lives of a large number of additional human beings who > otherwise will be subjected by the > Obama administration to the Rome Statute Crimes against Humanity of > enforced disappearances of persons > and their consequent torture by other States, inter alia. > > The lives and well-being of countless human beings are now at risk, > hanging in the balance, waiting for you to > act promptly, effectively, and immediately to save them from becoming > Victims of Rome Statute Crimes against > Humanity perpetrated by the Highest Level Officials of the Obama > administration as successors-in-law to the > Accused by opening an investigation of my Complaint. Otherwise, I shall be > forced to file with you and the I.C.C. > a follow-up Complaint against the Highest Level Officials of the Obama > administration. I certainly hope it will not > come to that. Please make it so. > > Finally, for reasons more fully explained in the Conclusion to my > Complaint, I respectfully request that you obtain > I.C.C. arrest warrants for the Accused in accordance with Rome Statute > articles 58(1)(a), article 58(1)(b)(i), > article 58(1)(b)(ii), and article 58(1)(b)(iii). The sooner, the better > for all humankind. > > I respectfully request that you schedule a meeting with me at our earliest > mutual convenience in order to discuss > this Complaint. I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest > convenience. > > This transmission letter is an integral part of my Complaint against the > Accused and is hereby incorporated by > reference into the attached Complaint dated as of today as well. > > Please accept, Sir, the assurance of my highest consideration. > > Francis A. Boyle > Professor of International Law > > > *FRANCIS A. BOYLE* is a leading American expert in international law. He > was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of > 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological > Weapons Convention. He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty > International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia-Herzegovina at the > World Court. He served as legal adviser to the Palestinian Delegation to > the Middle East peace negotiations from 1991 to 1993. In 2007, he > delivered the Bertrand Russell Peace Lectures. Previous Russell > Lecturers have included E.P. Thompson, Elena Bonner, Edward Said, > Ramsey Clark, Nobel Peace Prize Winner Joseph Rotblat, Johan Galtung, > and Noam Chomsky. Professor Boyle teaches international law at the > University of Illinois, Champaign and is author of, inter alia, The Future > of > International Law and American Foreign Policy, Foundations of World > Order, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, Palestine, Palestinians and > International Law, Destroying World Order, Biowarfare & Terrorism. And Tackling > America’s Toughest > Questions. > He holds a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in > Political Science, both from Harvard University. > > You are listed as a subscriber to the list of Clarity Press, Inc. If this > is incorrect and you wish to be removed, please click > > here > > > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only*) > > > > *From:* Boyle, Francis A > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:11 AM > *To:* 'David Swanson' > *Cc:* Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram < > karenaram at hotmail.com>; Jay Becker ; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, > Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; > sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel < > davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina > Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred > O'brien ; David Johnson ; > Joe Lauria ; David Green > *Subject:* RE: Impeachment > > > > *They are all on my list of things to do, including Killer Koh. Fab.* > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only*) > > > > *From:* David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com > ] > *Sent:* Monday, January 16, 2017 10:28 PM > *To:* Boyle, Francis A > *Cc:* Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram < > karenaram at hotmail.com>; Jay Becker ; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, > Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; > sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel < > davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina > Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred > O'brien ; David Johnson ; > Joe Lauria ; David Green > *Subject:* Re: Impeachment > > > > How do we do that? > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: > > With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at > Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, > crimes against humanity, murder and numerous other atrocities. Put them > all in jail where they belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no > Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has > universal jurisdiction to try them. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; > a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, > Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; > sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David > Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists. > chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David > Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; > David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment > > Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction > making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should > be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a > movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. > > —CGE > > > > From: "Boyle, Francis A" > > To: Kary Love ; Terry Lodge ; > Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds < > sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM > > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War > > > > > > > > We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment > against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me > one. Fab. > > > > > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > > > Law Building > > > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > > > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > > > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > > > (personal comments only) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM > > To: Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge < > tjlodge50 at yahoo.com>; Brad Springer ; Scot > Reynolds > > Subject: Power To Declare War > > > > > > > > In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare > war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the > representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, > this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not > delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of > powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war > by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create > fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one > reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. > Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation > of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in > this most fearsome of governmental acts. > > > > > > > > The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by > "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the > executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an > impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those > holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with > their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters > when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering > candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the > national government is the Constitution. When the government actions > destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to > the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is > dissolved. KL > > > > > > > > > > > > From "The Hill:" > > > > > > > > Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *David Swanson *is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is > director of WorldBeyondWar.org > > and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org > . > Swanson's books include *War Is A Lie > *. > He blogs at DavidSwanson.org > > and WarIsACrime.org > . > He hosts Talk Nation Radio > > . He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. > > Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson > > and FaceBook > . > > -- *David Swanson *is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include *War Is A Lie *. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org . He hosts Talk Nation Radio . He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 13:36:05 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:36:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: References: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: The Legal Bases for the ICC to prosecute for Extraordinary Rendition are set forth below in my 2010 Complaint, which the Prosecutor just articulated in her Fall 2016 Report. Better late than never. But we cannot rely upon the ICC to pull our American War Criminal chestnuts out of the fire. We will have to do this ourselves. Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:41 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Re: Impeachment Here are 15,000 people in support: https://diy.rootsaction.org/petitions/people-of-the-u-s-and-world-ask-icc-to-prosecute-u-s-war-crimes On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: This Fall the ICC Prosecutor announced that she was investigating US Torture in Afghanistan and also US officials for their policy of Extraordinary Rendition. I also got the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia to indict Milosevic for every crime in the ICTY Statute, including 2 counts of genocide: One for Srebrenica, the other for Bosnia in general. So Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al. are all on my list of things to do. fab Subject: Int'l Criminal Court Complaint Filed Against Bush et al. BUSH TO THE HAGUE International Criminal Court Complaint Filed Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tenet, Rice and Gonzales INTERNATIONAL ARREST WARRANTS REQUESTED Professor Francis A. Boyle of the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign, U.S.A. has filed a Complaint with the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court (I.C.C.) in The Hague against U.S. citizens George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, and Alberto Gonzales (the “Accused”) for their criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” perpetrated upon about 100 human beings. This term is really their euphemism for the enforced disappearance of persons and their consequent torture. This criminal policy and practice by the Accused constitute Crimes against Humanity in violation of the Rome Statute establishing the I.C.C. The United States is not a party to the Rome Statute. Nevertheless the Accused have ordered and been responsible for the commission of I.C.C. statutory crimes within the respective territories of many I.C.C. member states, including several in Europe. Consequently, the I.C.C. has jurisdiction to prosecute the Accused for their I. C.C. statutory crimes under Rome Statute article 12(2)(a) that affords the I.C.C. jurisdiction to prosecute for I.C. C. statutory crimes committed in I.C.C. member states. The Complaint requests (1) that the I.C.C. Prosecutor open an investigation of the Accused on his own accord under Rome Statute article 15(1); and (2) that the I.C.C. Prosecutor also formally “submit to the [I.C.C.] Pre-Trial Chamber a request for authorization of an investigation” of the Accused under Rome Statute article 15(3). For similar reasons, the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration risk the filing of a follow-up Complaint with the I.C.C. if they do not immediately terminate the Accused’s criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition,” which the Obama administration has continued to implement. The Complaint concludes with a request that the I.C.C. Prosecutor obtain International Arrest Warrants for the Accused from the I.C.C. in accordance with Rome Statute articles 58(1)(a), 58(1)(b)(i), 58(1)(b)(ii), and 58(1)(b) (iii). In order to demonstrate your support for this Complaint you can contact the I.C.C. Prosecutor by letter, fax, or email as indicated below. The Honorable Luis Moreno-Ocampo Office of the Prosecutor International Criminal Court Post Office Box 19519 2500 CM, The Hague The Netherlands Fax No.: 31-70-515-8555 Email: OTP.InformationDesk at icc-cpi.int January 19, 2010 Dear Sir: Please accept my personal compliments. I have the honor hereby to file with you and the International Criminal Court this Complaint against U.S. citizens George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice , and Alberto Gonzales (hereinafter referred to as the “Accused”) for their criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition.” This term is really a euphemism for the enforced disappearancesof persons, their torture, severe deprivation of their liberty, their violent sexual abuse, and other inhumane acts perpetrated upon these Victims. The Accused have inflicted this criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” upon about one hundred (100) human beings, almost all of whom are Muslims/Arabs/Asians and People of Color. I doubt very seriously that the Accused would have inflicted these criminal practices upon 100 White Judeo-Christian men. The Accused’s criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” are both “widespread” and “systematic” within the meaning of Rome Statute article 7(1). Therefore the Accused have committed numerous “Crimes against Humanity” in flagrant and repeated and longstanding violation of Rome Statute articles 5(1)(b), 7(1)(a), 7 (1)(e), 7(1)(f), 7(1)(g), 7(1)(h), 7(1)(i), and 7(1)(k). Furthermore, the Accused’s Rome Statute Crimes Against Humanity of enforced disappearances of persons constitutes ongoing criminal activity that continues even as of today. The United States is not a contracting party to the Rome Statute. Nevertheless, the Accused ordered and were responsible for the commission of these I.C.C. statutory crimes on, in, and over the respective territories of several I.C.C. member states, including many located in Europe. Therefore, the I.C.C. has jurisdiction over the Accused for their I.C.C. statutory crimes in accordance with Rome Statute article 12(2)(a), which provides as follows: Article 12 Preconditions to the Exercise of Jurisdiction … 2. In the case of article 13, paragraph (a) or (c), the Court may exercise its jurisdiction if one or more of the following States are Parties to this Statute or have accepted the jurisdiction of the Court in accordance with paragraph 3: (a) The State on the territory of which the conduct in question occurred … So the fact that United States is not a contracting party to the Rome Statute is no bar to the I.C.C.’s prosecution of the Accused because they have ordered and been responsible for the commission of Rome Statute Crimes against Humanity on, in, and over the respective territories of several I.C.C. member states. Consequently, I hereby respectfully request that the Court exercise its jurisdiction over the Accused for these Crimes against Humanity in accordance with Rome Statute article 13(c), which provides as follows: Article 13 Exercise of Jurisdiction The Court may exercise its jurisdiction with respect to a crime referred to in article 5 in accordance with the provisions of this Statute if: … (c) The Prosecutor has initiated an investigation in respect of such a crime in accordance with article 15. Pursuant to Rome Statute article 13(c), I hereby respectfully request that you initiate an investigation proprio motu against the Accused in accordance with Rome Statute article 15(1): “The Prosecutor may initiate investigations proprio motu on the basis of information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court.” My detailed Complaint against the Accused constitutes the sufficient “information” required by article 15(1). Furthermore, I respectfully submit that this Complaint by itself constitutes “a reasonable basis to proceed with an investigation” under Rome Statute article 15(3). Hence, I also respectfully request that you formally “submit to the Pre-Trial Chamber a request for authorization of an investigation” of the Accused under Rome Statute article 15(3) at this time. Please inform me at your earliest convenience about the status and disposition of my two requests set forth immediately above. Based upon your extensive human rights work in Argentina, you know full well from direct personal experience the terrors and the horrors of enforced disappearances of persons and their consequent torture. According to reputable news media sources here in the United States, about 100 human beings have been subjected to enforced disappearances and subsequent torture by the Accused. We still have no accounting for these Victims. In other words, many of these Victims of enforced disappearances and torture by the Accused could still be alive today. Their very lives are at stake right now as we communicate. You could very well save some of their lives by publicly stating that you are opening an investigation of my Complaint. As for those Victims of enforced disappearances by the Accused who have died, your opening an investigation of my Complaint is the only means by which we might be able to obtain some explanation and accounting for their whereabouts and the location of their remains in order to communicate this critical information to their next- of-kin and loved-ones. Based upon your extensive experience combating enforced disappearances of persons and their consequent torture in Argentina, you know full well how important that objective is. The next-of-kin, loved-ones, and friends of “disappeared” human beings can never benefit from psychological “closure” unless and until there is an accounting for the fates, if not the remains, of the Victims. In part that is precisely why the Accused’s enforced disappearances of about 100 human beings constitutes ongoing criminal activity that continues as of today and will continue until the fates of all their Victims have been officially determined by you opening an investigation into my Complaint. Let us mutually suppose that during the so-called “dirty war” in Argentina the International Criminal Court had been in existence. I submit that as an Argentinean human rights lawyer you would have moved heaven and earth and done everything in your power to get the I.C.C. and its Prosecutor to assume jurisdiction over the Argentine Junta in order to terminate and prosecute their enforced disappearances and torture of your fellow Argentinean citizens. I would have done the same. Unfortunately, the I.C.C. did not exist during those darkest of days for the Argentine Republic when we could have so acted. But today as the I.C.C. Prosecutor, you have both the opportunity and the legal power to do something to rectify this mass and total human rights annihilation, and to resolve and to terminate and to prosecute the “widespread” and “systematic” policy and practice of enforced disappearances and consequent torture of about 100 human beings by the Accused. Unfortunately, the new Obama administration in the United States has made it perfectly clear by means of public statements by President Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder that they are not going to open any criminal investigation of any of the Accused for these aforementioned Crimes against Humanity. Hence an I.C.C. “case” against the Accused is “admissible” under Rome Statute article 1(complementarity) and article 17. As of right now you and the I.C.C. Judges are the only people in the entire world who can bring some degree of Justice, Closure, and Healing into this dire, tragic, and deplorable situation for the lives and well-being of about one hundred “disappeared” and tortured human beings as well as for their loved-ones and next-of-kin, who are also Victims of the Accused’s Crimes against Humanity. On behalf of them all, as a fellow human rights lawyer I implore you to open an investigation into my Complaint and to issue a public statement to that effect. Also, most regretfully, the new Obama administration has publicly stated that it will continue the Accused’s policy and practice of "extraordinary rendition," which is really their euphemism for enforced disappearances of human beings and consequent torture by other States. Hence the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration fully intend to commit their own Crimes against Humanity under the I.C.C. Rome Statute – unless you stop them! Your opening an investigation of my Complaint will undoubtedly deter the Obama administration from engaging in any more “extraordinary renditions” -- enforced disappearances of human beings and having them tortured by other States. Indeed your opening of an investigation into my Complaint might encourage the Obama administration to terminate its criminal “extraordinary rendition” program immediately and thoroughly by means of issuing a public statement to that effect. In other words, your opening an investigation of my Complaint could very well save the lives of a large number of additional human beings who otherwise will be subjected by the Obama administration to the Rome Statute Crimes against Humanity of enforced disappearances of persons and their consequent torture by other States, inter alia. The lives and well-being of countless human beings are now at risk, hanging in the balance, waiting for you to act promptly, effectively, and immediately to save them from becoming Victims of Rome Statute Crimes against Humanity perpetrated by the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration as successors-in-law to the Accused by opening an investigation of my Complaint. Otherwise, I shall be forced to file with you and the I.C.C. a follow-up Complaint against the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration. I certainly hope it will not come to that. Please make it so. Finally, for reasons more fully explained in the Conclusion to my Complaint, I respectfully request that you obtain I.C.C. arrest warrants for the Accused in accordance with Rome Statute articles 58(1)(a), article 58(1)(b)(i), article 58(1)(b)(ii), and article 58(1)(b)(iii). The sooner, the better for all humankind. I respectfully request that you schedule a meeting with me at our earliest mutual convenience in order to discuss this Complaint. I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. This transmission letter is an integral part of my Complaint against the Accused and is hereby incorporated by reference into the attached Complaint dated as of today as well. Please accept, Sir, the assurance of my highest consideration. Francis A. Boyle Professor of International Law FRANCIS A. BOYLE is a leading American expert in international law. He was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention. He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia-Herzegovina at the World Court. He served as legal adviser to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East peace negotiations from 1991 to 1993. In 2007, he delivered the Bertrand Russell Peace Lectures. Previous Russell Lecturers have included E.P. Thompson, Elena Bonner, Edward Said, Ramsey Clark, Nobel Peace Prize Winner Joseph Rotblat, Johan Galtung, and Noam Chomsky. Professor Boyle teaches international law at the University of Illinois, Champaign and is author of, inter alia, The Future of International Law and American Foreign Policy, Foundations of World Order, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, Palestine, Palestinians and International Law, Destroying World Order, Biowarfare & Terrorism. And Tackling America’s Toughest Questions. He holds a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in Political Science, both from Harvard University. You are listed as a subscriber to the list of Clarity Press, Inc. If this is incorrect and you wish to be removed, please click here Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:11 AM To: 'David Swanson' > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: RE: Impeachment They are all on my list of things to do, including Killer Koh. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:28 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment How do we do that? On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder and numerous other atrocities. Put them all in jail where they belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has universal jurisdiction to try them. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. —CGE > From: "Boyle, Francis A" > > To: Kary Love >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War > > > > We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > Law Building > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > (personal comments only) > > > > > > From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A >; Terry Lodge >; Brad Springer >; Scot Reynolds > > Subject: Power To Declare War > > > > In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. > > > > The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL > > > > > > From "The Hill:" > > > > Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote > > > -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. -- David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. 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Estabrook) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:38:05 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Impeachment In-Reply-To: References: <01EF8659-1D97-4EF0-AF80-33252B3D7CE8@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <6A6D3520-A36C-45B9-B4AA-C5B6A7E146DD@illinois.edu> http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/01/the-exoneration-of-milosevic-the-ictys-surprise-ruling/ ...The Tribunal’s determination that Slobodan Milosevic was not part of a joint criminal enterprise, and that on the contrary he “condemned ethnic cleansing”[16] is of tremendous significance because he got blamed for all of the bloodshed in Bosnia, and harsh economic sanctions were imposed on Serbia as a result. Wrongfully accusing Milosevic ranks right up there with invading Iraq only to find that there weren’t any weapons of mass destruction after all. Slobodan Milosevic was vilified by the entire western press corps and virtually every politician in every NATO country. They called him “the Butcher of the Balkans.” They compared him to Hitler and accused him of genocide. They demonized him and made him out to be a bloodthirsty monster, and they used that false image to justify not only economic sanctions against Serbia, but also the 1999 NATO bombing of Serbia and the Kosovo war. Slobodan Milosevic had to spend the last five years of his life in prison defending himself and Serbia from bogus war crimes allegations over a war that they now admit he was trying to stop. The most serious charges that Milosevic faced, including the charge of genocide, were all in relation to Bosnia. Now, ten years after his death, they admit that he wasn’t guilty after all – oops. The ICTY did nothing to publicize the fact that they had cleared Milosevic of involvement in the joint criminal enterprise. They quietly buried that finding 1,303 pages into the 2,590 page Karadzic verdict knowing full well that most people would probably never bother to read it… > On Jan 17, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > This Fall the ICC Prosecutor announced that she was investigating US Torture in Afghanistan and also US officials for their policy of Extraordinary Rendition. I also got the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia to indict Milosevic for every crime in the ICTY Statute, including 2 counts of genocide: One for Srebrenica, the other for Bosnia in general. So Obama, Clinton, Killer Koh et al. are all on my list of things to do. fab > > > Subject: Int'l Criminal Court Complaint Filed Against Bush et al. > > > BUSH TO THE HAGUE > > International Criminal Court Complaint Filed Against > Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tenet, Rice and Gonzales > > INTERNATIONAL ARREST WARRANTS REQUESTED > > Professor Francis A. Boyle of the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign, U.S.A. has filed a Complaint > with the Prosecutor for the International Criminal Court (I.C.C.) in The Hague against U.S. citizens George W. > Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Condoleezza Rice, and Alberto Gonzales (the > “Accused”) for their criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” perpetrated upon about 100 human > beings. This term is really their euphemism for the enforced disappearance of persons and their consequent > torture. This criminal policy and practice by the Accused constitute Crimes against Humanity in violation of the > Rome Statute establishing the I.C.C. > > The United States is not a party to the Rome Statute. Nevertheless the Accused have ordered and been > responsible for the commission of I.C.C. statutory crimes within the respective territories of many I.C.C. member > states, including several in Europe. Consequently, the I.C.C. has jurisdiction to prosecute the Accused for their I. > C.C. statutory crimes under Rome Statute article 12(2)(a) that affords the I.C.C. jurisdiction to prosecute for I.C. > C. statutory crimes committed in I.C.C. member states. > > The Complaint requests (1) that the I.C.C. Prosecutor open an investigation of the Accused on his own accord > under Rome Statute article 15(1); and (2) that the I.C.C. Prosecutor also formally “submit to the [I.C.C.] Pre-Trial > Chamber a request for authorization of an investigation” of the Accused under Rome Statute article 15(3). > > For similar reasons, the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration risk the filing of a follow-up > Complaint with the I.C.C. if they do not immediately terminate the Accused’s criminal policy and practice of > “extraordinary rendition,” which the Obama administration has continued to implement. > > The Complaint concludes with a request that the I.C.C. Prosecutor obtain International Arrest Warrants for the > Accused from the I.C.C. in accordance with Rome Statute articles 58(1)(a), 58(1)(b)(i), 58(1)(b)(ii), and 58(1)(b) > (iii). > > In order to demonstrate your support for this Complaint you can contact the I.C.C. Prosecutor by letter, fax, or > email as indicated below. > > The Honorable Luis Moreno-Ocampo > Office of the Prosecutor > International Criminal Court > Post Office Box 19519 > 2500 CM, The Hague > The Netherlands > Fax No.: 31-70-515-8555 > Email: OTP.InformationDesk at icc-cpi.int > > January 19, 2010 > > Dear Sir: > > Please accept my personal compliments. I have the honor hereby to file with you and the International Criminal > Court this Complaint against U.S. citizens George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet, > Condoleezza Rice , and Alberto Gonzales (hereinafter referred to as the “Accused”) for their criminal policy and > practice of “extraordinary rendition.” This term is really a euphemism for the enforced disappearancesof > persons, their torture, severe deprivation of their liberty, their violent sexual abuse, and other inhumane acts > perpetrated upon these Victims. The Accused have inflicted this criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary > rendition” upon about one hundred (100) human beings, almost all of whom are Muslims/Arabs/Asians and > People of Color. I doubt very seriously that the Accused would have inflicted these criminal practices upon 100 > White Judeo-Christian men. > > The Accused’s criminal policy and practice of “extraordinary rendition” are both “widespread” and “systematic” > within the meaning of Rome Statute article 7(1). Therefore the Accused have committed numerous “Crimes > against Humanity” in flagrant and repeated and longstanding violation of Rome Statute articles 5(1)(b), 7(1)(a), 7 > (1)(e), 7(1)(f), 7(1)(g), 7(1)(h), 7(1)(i), and 7(1)(k). Furthermore, the Accused’s Rome Statute Crimes Against > Humanity of enforced disappearances of persons constitutes ongoing criminal activity that continues even as of > today. > > The United States is not a contracting party to the Rome Statute. Nevertheless, the Accused ordered and were > responsible for the commission of these I.C.C. statutory crimes on, in, and over the respective territories of > several I.C.C. member states, including many located in Europe. Therefore, the I.C.C. has jurisdiction over the > Accused for their I.C.C. statutory crimes in accordance with Rome Statute article 12(2)(a), which provides as > follows: > > Article 12 > > Preconditions to the Exercise of Jurisdiction > > … > > 2. In the case of article 13, paragraph (a) or (c), the Court may exercise its jurisdiction if one or more of the > following States are Parties to this Statute or have accepted the jurisdiction of the Court in accordance with > paragraph 3: > > > (a) The State on the territory of which the conduct in question occurred … > > So the fact that United States is not a contracting party to the Rome Statute is no bar to the I.C.C.’s prosecution > of the Accused because they have ordered and been responsible for the commission of Rome Statute Crimes > against Humanity on, in, and over the respective > territories of several I.C.C. member states. > > Consequently, I hereby respectfully request that the Court exercise its jurisdiction over the Accused for these > Crimes against Humanity in accordance with Rome Statute article 13(c), which provides as follows: > > Article 13 > > Exercise of Jurisdiction > > The Court may exercise its jurisdiction with respect to a crime referred to in article 5 in accordance with the > provisions of this Statute if: > > … > > (c) The Prosecutor has initiated an investigation in respect of such a crime in accordance with article 15. > > Pursuant to Rome Statute article 13(c), I hereby respectfully request that you initiate an investigation proprio > motu against the Accused in accordance with Rome Statute article 15(1): “The Prosecutor may initiate > investigations proprio motu on the basis of information on crimes within the jurisdiction of the Court.” My detailed > Complaint against the Accused constitutes the sufficient “information” required by article 15(1). > > Furthermore, I respectfully submit that this Complaint by itself constitutes “a reasonable basis to proceed with an > investigation” under Rome Statute article 15(3). Hence, I also respectfully request that you formally “submit to > the Pre-Trial Chamber a request for authorization of an investigation” of the Accused under Rome Statute article > 15(3) at this time. Please inform me at your earliest convenience about the status and disposition of my two > requests set forth immediately above. > > Based upon your extensive human rights work in Argentina, you know full well from direct personal experience > the terrors and the horrors of enforced disappearances of persons and their consequent torture. According to > reputable news media sources here in the United States, about 100 human beings have been subjected to > enforced disappearances and subsequent torture by the Accused. We still have no accounting for these > Victims. In other words, many of these Victims of enforced disappearances and torture by the Accused could still > be alive today. Their very lives are at stake right now as we communicate. You could very well save some of > their lives by publicly stating that you are opening an investigation of my Complaint. > > As for those Victims of enforced disappearances by the Accused who have died, your opening an investigation > of my Complaint is the only means by which we might be able to obtain some explanation and accounting for > their whereabouts and the location of their remains in order to communicate this critical information to their next- > of-kin and loved-ones. Based upon your extensive experience combating enforced disappearances of persons > and their consequent torture in Argentina, you know full well how important that objective is. The next-of-kin, > loved-ones, and friends of “disappeared” human beings can never benefit > from psychological “closure” unless and until there is an accounting for the fates, if not the remains, of the > Victims. In part that is precisely why the Accused’s enforced disappearances of about 100 human beings > constitutes ongoing criminal activity that continues as of today and will continue until the fates of all their Victims > have been officially determined by you opening an investigation into my Complaint. > > Let us mutually suppose that during the so-called “dirty war” in Argentina the International Criminal Court had > been in existence. I submit that as an Argentinean human rights lawyer you would have moved heaven and > earth and done everything in your power to get the I.C.C. and its Prosecutor to assume jurisdiction over the > Argentine Junta in order to terminate and prosecute their enforced disappearances and torture of your fellow > Argentinean citizens. I would have done the same. Unfortunately, the I.C.C. did not exist during those darkest of > days for the Argentine Republic when we could have so acted. But today as the I.C.C. Prosecutor, you have > both the opportunity and the legal power to do something to rectify this mass and total human rights annihilation, > and to resolve and to terminate and to prosecute the “widespread” and “systematic” policy and practice of > enforced disappearances and consequent torture of about 100 human beings by the Accused. > > Unfortunately, the new Obama administration in the United States has made it perfectly clear by means of public > statements by President Obama and his Attorney General Eric Holder that they are not going to open any > criminal investigation of any of the Accused for these aforementioned Crimes against Humanity. Hence an I.C.C. > “case” against the Accused is “admissible” under Rome Statute article 1(complementarity) and article 17. As of > right now you and the I.C.C. Judges are the only people in the entire world who can bring some degree of > Justice, Closure, and Healing into this dire, tragic, and deplorable situation for the lives and well-being of about > one hundred “disappeared” and tortured human beings as well as for their loved-ones and next-of-kin, who are > also Victims of the Accused’s Crimes against Humanity. On behalf of them all, as a fellow human rights lawyer I > implore you to open an investigation into my Complaint and to issue a public statement to that effect. > > Also, most regretfully, the new Obama administration has publicly stated that it will continue the Accused’s policy > and practice of "extraordinary rendition," which is really their euphemism for enforced disappearances of human > beings and consequent torture by other States. Hence the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration > fully intend to commit their own Crimes against Humanity under the I.C.C. Rome Statute – unless you stop them! > Your opening an investigation of my Complaint will undoubtedly deter the Obama administration from engaging > in any more “extraordinary renditions” -- enforced disappearances of human beings and having them tortured > by other States. Indeed your opening of an investigation into my Complaint might encourage the Obama > administration to terminate its criminal “extraordinary rendition” program immediately and thoroughly by means > of issuing a public statement to that effect. In other words, your opening an investigation of my Complaint could > very well save the lives of a large number of additional human beings who otherwise will be subjected by the > Obama administration to the Rome Statute Crimes against Humanity of enforced disappearances of persons > and their consequent torture by other States, inter alia. > > The lives and well-being of countless human beings are now at risk, hanging in the balance, waiting for you to > act promptly, effectively, and immediately to save them from becoming Victims of Rome Statute Crimes against > Humanity perpetrated by the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration as successors-in-law to the > Accused by opening an investigation of my Complaint. Otherwise, I shall be forced to file with you and the I.C.C. > a follow-up Complaint against the Highest Level Officials of the Obama administration. I certainly hope it will not > come to that. Please make it so. > > Finally, for reasons more fully explained in the Conclusion to my Complaint, I respectfully request that you obtain > I.C.C. arrest warrants for the Accused in accordance with Rome Statute articles 58(1)(a), article 58(1)(b)(i), > article 58(1)(b)(ii), and article 58(1)(b)(iii). The sooner, the better for all humankind. > > I respectfully request that you schedule a meeting with me at our earliest mutual convenience in order to discuss > this Complaint. I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience. > > This transmission letter is an integral part of my Complaint against the Accused and is hereby incorporated by > reference into the attached Complaint dated as of today as well. > > Please accept, Sir, the assurance of my highest consideration. > > Francis A. Boyle > Professor of International Law > > > FRANCIS A. BOYLE is a leading American expert in international law. He > was responsible for drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of > 1989, the American implementing legislation for the 1972 Biological > Weapons Convention. He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty > International (1988-1992), and represented Bosnia-Herzegovina at the > World Court. He served as legal adviser to the Palestinian Delegation to > the Middle East peace negotiations from 1991 to 1993. In 2007, he > delivered the Bertrand Russell Peace Lectures. Previous Russell > Lecturers have included E.P. Thompson, Elena Bonner, Edward Said, > Ramsey Clark, Nobel Peace Prize Winner Joseph Rotblat, Johan Galtung, > and Noam Chomsky. Professor Boyle teaches international law at the > University of Illinois, Champaign and is author of, inter alia, The Future of > International Law and American Foreign Policy, Foundations of World > Order, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, Palestine, Palestinians and > International Law, Destroying World Order, Biowarfare & Terrorism. And Tackling America’s Toughest > Questions. > He holds a Doctor of Law Magna Cum Laude as well as a Ph.D. in > Political Science, both from Harvard University. > > You are listed as a subscriber to the list of Clarity Press, Inc. If this is incorrect and you wish to be removed, please click here > > > > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > Law Building > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > Champaign IL 61820 USA > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > (personal comments only) > > > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 6:11 AM > To: 'David Swanson' > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green > Subject: RE: Impeachment > > > > They are all on my list of things to do, including Killer Koh. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > Law Building > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > Champaign IL 61820 USA > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > (personal comments only) > > > > From: David Swanson [mailto:davidcnswanson at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:28 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment > > > > How do we do that? > > > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder and numerous other atrocities. > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!" > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green > Subject: Re: Impeachment > > Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis. > > —CGE > > > > From: "Boyle, Francis A" > > To: Kary Love ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds > > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM > > Subject: RE: Power To Declare War > > > > > > > > We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if you can get me one. Fab. > > > > > > > > Francis A. Boyle > > > > Law Building > > > > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > > > > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > > > > 217-333-7954 (phone) > > > > 217-244-1478 (fax) > > > > (personal comments only) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM > > To: Boyle, Francis A ; Terry Lodge ; Brad Springer ; Scot Reynolds > > Subject: Power To Declare War > > > > > > > > In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual. In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect. The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress. Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts. > > > > > > > > The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing. The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view. Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive. The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution. When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved. KL > > > > > > > > > > > > From "The Hill:" > > > > > > > > Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > David Swanson is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include War Is A Lie. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org. He hosts Talk Nation Radio. He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. > > Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook. > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 16:45:25 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:45:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: The CIA Are Nazis & Klanners! Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:41 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: The CIA Are Nazis & Klanners! That the CIA is a terrorist organization was upheld in the famous “CIA On Trial” case in Northampton, Mass., in 1987, when a jury acquitted 14 protestors who tried to stop CIA recruitment on campus, according to Francis Boyle, the University of Illinois international law authority who defended the group. The defense charged the CIA was “an organized criminal conspiracy like the SS and the Gestapo.” Boyle said, “You would not let the SS or the Gestapo recruit on campus at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, so you would not permit the CIA to recruit on campus either.” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) [home] Abolish the CIA, America. Sherwood Ross. CIA Torture Report. December 9, 2014 9:01 pm 2 Comments The CIA, the KKK and the USA By Sherwood Ross Global Research, October 15, 2010 15 October 2010 [The CIA, the KKK and the USA] By assigning covert action roles to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), it is as if the White House and Congress had legitimized the Ku Klux Klan to operate globally. That’s because the CIA today resembles nothing so much as the “Invisible Empire” of the KKK that once spread terror across the South and Midwest. Fiery crosses aside, this is what the CIA is doing globally. The CIA today is committing many of the same sort of gruesome crimes against foreigners that the KKK once inflicted on Americans of color. The principal difference is that the KKK consisted of self-appointed vigilantes who regarded themselves as both outside and above the law when they perpetrated their crimes. By contrast, the CIA acts as the agent of the American government, often at the highest levels, and at times at the direction of the White House. Its crimes typically are committed in contravention of the highest established international law such as the Charter of the United Nations as well as the U.S. Constitution. What’s more, the “Agency,” as it is known, derives its funding largely from an imperialist-minded Congress; additionally, it has no qualms about fattening its budget from drug money and other illegal sources. It is a mirror-image of the lawless entity the U.S. has become since achieving superpower status. And it is incredible that the White House grants license to this violent Agency to commit its crimes with no accountability. The Ku Klux Klan was founded shortly after the end of the U.S. Civil War. Klansman concealed their identities behind flowing white robes and white hoods as they terrorized the newly emancipated blacks to keep them from voting or to drive them from their property. Allowing it to operate in secret literally gives the CIA the mythical Ring of Gyges. In Plato’s Republic, the owner of the ring had the power to become invisible at will. As Wikipedia puts it, Plato “discusses whether a typical person would be moral if he did not have to fear the consequences of his actions.” The ancient Greeks made the argument, Wikipedia says, that “No man would keep his hands off what was not his own when he could safely take what he liked out of the market, go into houses and lie with any one at his pleasure, kill or release from prison whom he would, and in all respects be like a god among men.” The CIA, like Hitler’s Gestapo and Stalin’s NKVD before it, has provided modern man the answer to this question. Its actions illuminate why all criminal entities, from rapists and bank robbers, to Ponzi scheme swindlers and murderers, cloak themselves in secrecy. There are innumerable examples of how American presidents have authorized criminal acts without public discussion that the preponderant majority of Americans would find reprehensible. Example: it was President Lyndon Johnson who ordered the CIA to meddle in Chile’s election to help Eduardo Frei become president. If they had known, U.S. taxpayers might have objected to such a use of their hard-earned money to influence the outcome of another country’s elections. But the public is rarely let in on such illegal foreign policy decisions. Where the KKK after the Civil War terrorized blacks to keep them from voting, the CIA has worked to influence the outcome of elections all over the world through bribery and vote-buying, dirty tricks, and worse. According to investigative reporter William Blum in “Rogue State”(Common Courage Press), the CIA has perverted elections in Italy, Lebanon, Indonesia, The Philippines, Japan, Nepal, Laos, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Portugal, Australia, Jamaica, Panama, Nicaragua, Haiti, among other countries. If they had known, taxpayers might also object to the CIA’s numerous overthrows of foreign governments by force and violence—such as was done in Iran in 1953 by President Eisenhower and Chile in 1973 by President Nixon. Both overthrows precipitated bloodbaths that cost tens of thousands of innocent civilians their lives. Blum also lists the countries the CIA has attempted to overthrow or has actually overthrown. His list includes Greece, The Philippines, East Germany, Iran, Guatemala, Indonesia, Iraq, Viet Nam, Laos, Ecuador, The Congo, France, Cuba, Ghana, Chile, South Africa, Bolivia, Portugal, and Nicaragua, to cite a few. As I write, today, October 11th, 2010, Nobel Peace Prize winner Adolfo Perez Esquivel of Argentina called on President Obama to revise U.S. (imperialist) policies toward Latin America. He questioned why the U.S. continues to plant its military bases across the region. That’s an excellent question. If the U.S. is a peace-loving nation, why does it need 800 bases the world over in addition to 1,000 on its own soil? Americans might recoil in disgust if they knew of the CIA’s numerous assassinations of the elected officials of other nations. Is it any wonder Americans so often ask the question, “Why do they hate us?” As historian Arnold Toynbee wrote in 1961, “America is today the leader of a world-wide anti-revolutionary movement in the defence of vested interests. She now stands for what Rome stood for. Rome consistently supported the rich against the poor in all foreign communities that fell under her sway; and, since the poor, so far, have always and everywhere been more numerous than the rich, Rome’s policy made for inequality, for injustice, and for the least happiness of the greatest number.” The CIA’s protective secrecy resembles nothing so much as the KKK, which proudly proclaimed itself “the Invisible Empire” and whose thugs killed citizens having the courage to identify hooded Klansmen to law enforcement officials. Today, it is our highest public officials that protect this criminal force, said to number about 25,000 employees. It is actually a Federal offense to reveal the identity of a CIA undercover agent—unless, of course, you happen to be I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, and are employed by Vice President Dick Cheney. Libby leaked the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame to punish her husband Joseph Wilson for publishing a report that undercut the White House lie that Saddam Hussein had purchased “yellowcake” from Niger to fuel WMD. Today, high public officials direct the CIA’s criminal policies and protect its agents’ identities the better to enable them to commit their crimes. According to journalist Fred Cook in his book “Ku Klux Klan: America’s Recurring Nightmare”(Messner), “The Klan was inherently a vigilante organization. It could commit the most atrocious acts under the guise of high principle andperpetrators of those acts would be hidden behind white masks and protected by Klan secrecy… (The Klan) set itself up as judge, jury and executioner”—a policy adopted by the CIA today. CIA spies have conducted their criminal operations masquerading as officials of U.S. aid programs, business executives, or journalists. Example: The San Diego-based Copley News Service’s staff of foreign correspondents allegedly was created to provide cover to CIA spies, compromising legitimate American journalists trying to do their jobs. While the murders committed by the KKK likely ran into the many thousands, the CIA has killed on a far grander scale and managed to keep its role largely secret. As Tim Weiner, who covered the CIA for the New York Times noted in his book “Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA” (Anchor): “In Guatemala, 200,000 civilians had died during forty years of struggle following the agency’s(CIA) 1954 coup against an elected president.” Weiner adds, “the CIA’s officers in Guatemala still went to great lengths to conceal the nature of their close relations with the military and to suppress reports that Guatemalan officers on its payroll were murderers, torturers, and thieves.” When it comes to murder, the CIA makes the KKK look like Boy Scouts. Like the KKK, CIA terrorists operate above the law. KKK members committed thousands of lynchings yet rarely were its members punished for them. In 2009 at a speech at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, President Obama revealed he was not intent on punishing CIA agents for their crimes but would rather “look forward.” This seemingly charitable philosophy may be driven by the fact that Obama worked for Business International Corporation, a CIA front, at least in 1983 and perhaps longer, and allegedly is the son of a mother and father both of whom also worked for the CIA, as did Obama’s grandmother! I could find none of this in Obama’s biography when he ran for the presidency, when a gullible American public elected a CIA “mole” to the White House. Consider this, too: an agency President Truman feared would become “an American Gestapo” when he signed the enabling legislation into law in 1947 has become just that, and it casts a lengthy shadow over the White House. Ominously, it has in Barack Obama one of its own former employees sitting in the Oval Office—a man who, according to news reports, has vastly expanded the frequency of the CIA’s assassinations by drone aircraft in Pakistan and who illegally claims the “right” to assassinate any American citizen abroad as well. What’s more, from 1989 to 1993 George Bush Sr., the CIA’s own former Director, sat in the White House. Additionally, from 2001 to 2009, the CIA had that Director’s son, George W. Bush, in the Oval Office giving the CIA a blank check after the 9/11 massacre. Bush Jr., according to The New York Times, in the summer of 1974 worked for Alaska International Industries, which did contract work for the CIA. The Times noted that this job did not appear in his biography when he ran for the White House in 2000, terming it “The Missing Chapter in the Bush Bio.” Thus, two presidential candidates with CIA ties—Bush Jr. and Obama—both neglected to mention them. And in Bill Clinton, who presided from 1993 to 2001, the CIA had a go-along president who satisfied the Agency’s blood-lust when he authorized the first illegal “rendition,” a euphemism for what KKK thugs once knew as kidnapping and torture. Is there any question that the Agency has not played an influential, behind-the-scenes or even a direct role in the operations of the U.S. government at its highest level? It may indeed be a stretch to argue that the CIA is running the country but it is no stretch to say that year after year our presidents reflect the criminal philosophy of the Agency. Other parallels with the KKK are striking. As Richmond Flowers, the Attorney General of Alabama stated in 1966, “I’ve found the Klan more than just another secret society… It resembles a shadow government, making its own laws, manipulating local politics, burrowing into some of our local law-enforcement agencies…When a pitiable misfit puts on his $15 sheet, society can no longer ignore him.” Yet the descendants of those misfits have moved up today where they feel comfortable as operatives in the shadow government run by the White House. One of the CIA’s illicit duties has been to serve as a conduit for funneling U.S. taxpayer dollars to corrupt dictators and strongmen bent on suppressing the popular will of their citizenry. As Noam Chomsky wrote in “Failed States”(Metropolitan/Owl), in Honduras, “military officers in charge of the battalion (3-16) were on the CIA payroll.” This elite unit, he says, “organized and trained by the United States and Argentine neo-Nazis,” was “the most barbaric of the Latin American killers that Washington had been supporting.” Like the KKK, the CIA kidnaps many of its victims with no thought ever of legal procedure. It exhibits utter disdain for the rights of those individuals, the sovereignty of foreign nations, or respect for international law. At least hundreds of foreigners, mostly from the Middle East, have been the victims of “renditions” just as the KKK kidnapped and flogged and lynched blacks, labor leaders, Catholics, Jews, or wayward wives whom it felt to be morally lacking. In September, 1921, The New York World ran a series exposing the KKK. It pointed out that, among other things, the KKK was violating the Bill of Rights wholesale. This included the Fourth amendment against “unreasonable searches and seizures,” the Fifth and the Sixth amendments, guaranteeing that no one may be held without a grand jury indictment or punished without a fair trial. And these rights today are similarly trampled by the CIA against American citizens, not just foreigners. Apparently, only foreign courts care to rein in the CIA. The 23 CIA agents that it took to render one “suspect” in Italy are wanted there by the magistrates. (The spooks, by the way, ran up some fabulous bills in luxury hotels on taxpayers’ dollars in that escapade.) Former President Jimmy Carter wrote in his book “Our Endangered Values”(Simon & Schuster), the CIA transferred some of those it kidnapped to countries that included Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Morocco, Jordan, and Uzbekistan where “the techniques of torture are almost indescribably terrible, including, as a U.S. ambassador to one of the recipient countries reported, ‘partial boiling of a hand or an arm,’ with at least two prisoners boiled to death.” The KKK’s methods of punishment were often as ugly: the brutal flogging of blacks in front of vicious crowds, followed by castration and burning their victims alive, and then lynching of the corpses. As for the CIA, “Why?” asks investigative reporter William Blum, “are these men rendered in the first place if not to be tortured? Does the United States not have any speakers in foreign languages to conduct interrogations?” That the CIA is a terrorist organization was upheld in the famous “CIA On Trial” case in Northampton, Mass., in 1987, when a jury acquitted 14 protestors who tried to stop CIA recruitment on campus, according to Francis Boyle, the University of Illinois international law authority who defended the group. The defense charged the CIA was “an organized criminal conspiracy like the SS and the Gestapo.” Boyle said, “You would not let the SS or the Gestapo recruit on campus at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, so you would not permit the CIA to recruit on campus either.” Another shared characteristic of the KKK and CIA is greed, the desire to loot the hard-earned wealth of others. Often, Klansmen terrorized African-Americans who had amassed property to frighten them off their land. Law-abiding black citizens who had pulled themselves up by the proverbial bootstraps were cheated out of their homes and acreage by the night riders. Similarly, the CIA across Latin America has aligned itself with the well-to-do ruling class at every opportunity. It has cooperated with the elite to punish and murder labor leaders and clergy who espoused economic opportunity for the poor. The notion that allowing the poor to enrich themselves fairly will also create more wealth for an entire society generally, including the rich, has not permeated CIA thinking. I emphasize what historian Toynbee noted: “America is today the leader of a world-wide anti-revolutionary movement in the defence of vested interests. She now stands for what Rome stood for.”(Italics added.) In sum, by adopting the terrorist philosophy of the KKK and elevating it to the operations of government at the highest level, the imperial Obama administration, like its predecessors, is showing the world the worst possible face of America. Foreigners do not see the goodness inherent in the American people—most of whom only want a good day’s pay for a good day’s work and to educate their children and live at peace with the world. Every adult American has a solemn obligation to demand that its government live up to international law, punish the CIA criminals in its midst, and become a respected citizen of the world. This will not come to pass until Congress abolishes the CIA, putting an end to its KKK-style terrorism which threatens Americans as well as humankind everywhere. Sherwood Ross is an American who has worked as a reporter for the Chicago Daily News, a columnist for wire services and as the News Director of a national civil rights organization. He currently operates the Anti-War News Service from Miami, Florida. To contribute to his work or reach him, email sherwoodross10 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 16:51:09 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:51:09 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: The Mass Rape of the Bosnian Women Was Genocide! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, tell that to my former Clients the 40,000 Raped Women of Bosnia for whom I obtained two Orders of Protection against Milosevic et al. from the International Court of Justice, which is the World Court of the United Nations System, going back to 1921. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:12 PM To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: The Mass Rape of the Bosnian Women Was Genocide! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) The Mass Rape of the Bosnian Women Was Genocide! By Professor Francis A. Boyle University of Illinois College of Law Women's Law Symposium March 9, 2016 The author won two Orders from the International Court of Justice overwhelmingly in favor of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention on April 8, 1993 and September 13, 1993. This was the first time ever that any Government or Lawyer had won two such Orders in one case since the World Court was founded in 1921. And on August 5, 1993, he also won an Article 74(4) Order from the World Court to the same effect. Under Article 74(4) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, when the Full Court is not in Session, the President of the Court exercises the Full Powers of the Court and can issue an Order that is binding upon the states parties in a case. The story is told in his book The Bosnian People Charge Genocide! (Aletheia Press: 1996). I want to express my gratitude to the Women's Law Society for asking me to speak here today and especially in honor of International Women's Day. The WLS organizers asked me to talk about a problem related to women and human rights. Over my career since coming here in 1978 -- both practicing and teaching international human rights law -- the most daunting problem I ever confronted was being the Lawyer for all the raped women of Bosnia and Herzegovina. I was the Attorney of Record for at least 20,000+ raped women of Bosnia before the International Court of Justice in The Hague, the World Court of the United Nations System. All 20,000+ of these raped Bosnian women were my Clients. I had originally figured 20,000 was a gross underestimate since rape is always underreported -- especially during war time. When the war and the genocide were over, the United Nations got into Bosnia in order to investigate. I have read that the current U.N. estimate is that about 40,000 Bosnian Muslim women were raped during that war and genocide. The Bosnian President Alija Izetbegovic appointed me their General Agent with Extraordinary and Penitentiary Powers to represent the Republic of Bosnia Herzegovina before the International Court of Justice. That meant I was their Attorney of Record and their Ambassador to the World Court with responsibility to argue their case for genocide and to stop the genocide against the Bosnians. This lawsuit was the most important international human rights case ever filed at the World Court since it was founded in 1921. All I am going to do here is discuss one critical element of the case when I argued to the World Court that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide. I was given complete authority by President Izetbegovic to argue this case as I saw fit, and the mass rape of the Bosnian women was a decisive component of this genocide lawsuit as I saw it. Even the Nazis during World War II did not engage in the mass and systematic rape of women as a technique of warfare, though the Japanese came very close to it against Chinese women during the Second World War. Bosnia was appalling! It seemed to me that what was going on there was not just rape - which in times of war is a war crime -- but that what was going on there was genocide. Outright genocide! So I decided to argue that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide to the World Court. Now when I argued the case to the World Court I was operating on the basis of multiple and independent reputable human rights sources that what we were dealing with here was somewhere between 20,000 to 25,000 raped Bosnian Muslim women. If you look at the Genocide Convention, I was working with this definition in respect to arguing their case for genocide: Article II. In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, as such... (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group... Certainly rape causes both serious bodily and serious mental harm to members of the group. In this case, Yugoslavian and Bosnian Serb Christian men were raping Bosnian Muslim women. But that is only the actus reus of the crime of genocide that I just quoted to you. I also had to prove the mens rea, and in the case of genocide, this was a specific intent offense. So I had to argue and prove that these women were being raped because of their Muslim religion or because of their Bosnian nationality or because of their Bosnian Muslim ethnicity. So how did I do that? I compiled all the victims' statements we could get from United Nations Organs, the Council of Europe, reputable human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, and put them all together and filed them with the World Court. And what type of evidence did I use to establish their genocidal specific intent by means of rape? Here, I am going to use some graphic language, but, hey, we are all adults here and we are lawyers. So that is just the way I had to argue the case: I got numerous statements that, while these women were being raped, their rapists and the men surrounding them and oftentimes gang-raping them, said to them while they were in the process of raping and gang-raping them "Fuck Mohammad!" That proved that the rapists and gang-rapists were motivated because of the women's religion. Or the rapists and gang-rapists would yell to their victims while raping them "Fuck your Turkish mother!" Bosnians are not Turks. They are South Slavic people, but because they are Muslims, Serbs derogatively refer to them as Turks. I put that in there to indicate these women were being raped on grounds of nationality and ethnicity. And: "Fuck you, you Balija whore!" Balija is a Serb derogatory term for Bosnian Muslims. Ditto. And: "Fuck Alija!" -- in reference to my Client the President of the Republic of Bosnia Herzegovina Alija Izetbegovic, who was a Bosnian Muslim. Ditto. Etc I compiled all these statements I possibly could obtain and put them into a package and filed them with the World Court. It was not enough just to prove that these women were being raped. It was not enough just to prove that these rapists and gang-rapists were war criminals and sadists. I had to prove that in the process of raping them these Christian Serbs raped the Bosnian Muslim women for religious reasons or national reasons or ethnical reasons as required by Article 2 of the Genocide Convention that says: "...committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, as such." I argued to the World Court that Christian Serb men were raping Bosnian Muslim women for national and ethnical and religious reasons. I also argued to the World Court Article 2, paragraph (d) of the Genocide Convention to establish that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide for a second count of the actus reus for genocide: "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group." And here, again, I used a multiplicity of victims' statements from all reputable human rights sources and organizations, that while these women were being raped and gang-raped, their rapists and the men surrounding them and their gang-rapists, were saying to them "We're going to give you a good little Serbian baby," or "We're going to give you a good little Serb baby." This is because in this South Slavic culture the ethnicity is deemed to descend from the father. So, technically, if you have a child born of a Bosnian Muslim woman raped by a Christian Serb father, the baby is deemed to be Serb. Also, "We're going to give you a good little chetnik baby!" Chetnik was a term for Serbian partisan resistance fighters during World War 2. Nothing wrong with resisting the Nazis. But here these Christian Serb men were invoking the Serb term Chetnik while they were raping these Bosnian Muslim women. Next, Yugoslavia and the so-called Bosnia Serb Army, which was in fact an arm of the Yugoslav National Army, maintained rape camps for Bosnian Muslim women throughout the Bosnian territories that they occupied. There Bosnian Muslim women were confined and reduced to sexual slavery, repeatedly raped and gang-raped, traded around, sold, and trafficked. If they became pregnant in these rape camps, we had numerous victims' statements that their captor-rapists told them: "We are going to make you stay here to give birth to a chetnik baby so that you do not get an abortion." Yet another violation of Genocide Convention article 2(d) that I filed with and argued to the World Court. Finally, we had large numbers of Bosnian refugees up in Canada. The Clinton administration - Clinton was such a phony and a hypocrite on Bosnia, I won't go through it all here. But Canada was letting them in, while Clinton was not letting them into the United States on a large scale until after the Dayton Agreement. I called up to Canada and said "I need five courageous women, victims of rape, willing to give me their statements that I will file with the World Court and they must also be willing to testify at the World Court in front of the entire world what happened to them." They got me the five courageous rape victims, we had their victim statements recorded, translated into English, and I filed them with the World Court. At this beginning stage of the case I was simply trying to get what is called "an indication of provisional measures of protection." That is the international equivalent of a temporary restraining order and injunction against all acts of genocide. So the proceedings on the merits and the trial itself would come later on down the line. At this stage, I was just trying to stop the genocide and the war and the rapes. I fully intended to call as witnesses before the World Court as many rape victims as I could fit into the schedule for the trial on the merits. To make a long story short, I won a massive overwhelming Order from the World Court against Yugoslavia. Three measures of protection, the first that Yugoslavia itself should cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide against Bosnia and the Bosnians. I won that measure unanimously. The second, that Yugoslavia must do everything in their power to stop all these paramilitary, military, terrorist groups, and criminal gangs that they had launched upon the Bosnians, including for the purpose of the mass rape of the Bosnian women as techniques of ethnic cleansing and warfare. I won that measure with only the Russian Judge dissenting. And then third, which I had requested, that Yugoslavia do nothing more to further extend or aggravate this dispute over genocide. I won that unanimously too. So then my Order was transmitted to the United Nations Security Council for enforcement as required by the United Nations Charter. It was for the Security Council to enforce my Order that genocide and the raping be stopped because Yugoslavia did not stop the genocide and raping and indeed they continued it and escalated it. What did the Security Council do with my Order? Nothing! Clinton sabotaged its enforcement together with the British and the French and the Russians. So nothing was done. Amazingly, instead of enforcing my World Court Order against Yugoslavia, these Great Powers then decided to punish Bosnia and the Bosnians by coming up with the so-called Owen-Stoltenberg Plan. This would have carved up the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina into three little chunks of land, destroyed our Statehood under international law, robbed us of our U.N. Membership, and subjected 1.5 to 2 million more Bosnians to ethnic cleansing. The Bosnian Apocalypse was staring me right in my face! So I returned to the World Court asking for a second Order of provisional measures of protection to stop Owen-Stoltenberg. Then the very next day I flew to Geneva where I was the Lawyer for the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina at the Owen-Stoltenberg negotiations in order to stop them in situ. I sabotaged the whole damn thing right then and there. I made sure it never happened. And then I went back to the World Court and won that second Order - again -- a massive overwhelming victory on behalf of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Bosnians, both directly and indirectly by means of their genocidal surrogates. That was the end of the Owen-Stoltenberg Plan. When the war was over, President Izetbegovic gave an interview in which he said "we almost lost our State in the Fall of 1993," which was correct. I was there. Bosnia almost fell. All of Bosnia would have been turned into Srebrenica, and I later became the Attorney of Record for the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrinja at the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. 8,000+ Bosnian Muslim men and boys were just exterminated, and many women were raped. We would have had at least another 100,000+ more dead Bosnians and another 40,000+ more raped Bosnian Muslim women if Bosnia had fallen in the Fall of 1993. But Clinton, Britain, France, and Russia refused to enforce my second World Court Order at the U.N. Security Council against Yugoslavia. Even most despicably, Clinton, Britain, France, and Russia sabotaged my strategy and our efforts to invoke the United Nation's Uniting for Peace Resolution (1950) in order to have the United Nations General Assembly enforce my World Court Order against Yugoslavia. And in the Fall of 1993 Clinton finally came out of the closet and revealed his genocidal intention to carve-up and destroy the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Clinton hauled into the White House the Dutch Foreign Minister Kooijmans to serve as his stalking horse in order to do his genocidal dirty work for him. I had already briefed Kooijmans in his office at The Hague on these so-called Bosnian peace plans, saying they were all genocidal; that he should have nothing to do with them; and asked him to help us. Instead Clinton and Kooijmans came up with what they called the Contact Group Plan, which, again, would have done the same thing as Owen-Stoltenberg: Carve-up the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina into three pieces, destroy Bosnia's Statehood under international law, and subject 1.5 to 2 million more Bosnians to ethnic cleansing. So acting pursuant to my advice, President Izetbegovic gave me the authority to sue Britain at the World Court for aiding and abetting Yugoslavia's genocide against the Bosnians and the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina. We really couldn't sue Clinton. Clinton was guilty as sin and deserved to be sued! But the only hope we had was that Clinton would change his mind. And among the other Permanent Members of the Security Council, the British were certainly the worst against us by far -- though I had repeatedly offered to sue France and Russia at the World Court as well. Ditto for Croatia. I set out to sue Britain to stop this latest Clinton/Kooijmans/Contact Group genocidal carve-up plan. I also set out to sue Britain at the World Court for aiding and abetting the Bosnian genocide, to stop the genocide, including the mass rape of the Bosnian women, and to break the genocidal arms embargo that the Security Council had illegally imposed upon the Bosnians in gross violation of their basic right to self-defense under U.N. Charter article 51. The Bosnians could not defend their women and their children. The Yugoslav National Army was one of the most powerful armies in Europe. After the Tito/Stalin split, Tito had armed, equipped, supplied and trained the JNA to repulse an invasion by the Soviet Union. By comparison, the Bosnians had no heavy weapons of their own. They were being slaughtered. I could watch it live on CNN. In response, the British then threatened the Bosnians to the effect that if they let me argue this genocide case against them at the World Court, we will starve you to death. It was the middle of winter. All the food supplies for the Bosnians came in at Sarajevo airport that was under the control of the British and French troops. The British just threatened to cut off the supplies then and there. So under those circumstances of extreme duress, we had to withdraw that lawsuit against Britain for genocide from the World Court. The British also said: "And by the way, fire Boyle!" The British and everyone else involved knew full well that so long as I was Bosnia's Lawyer at the World Court, I would use all the powers at my command and move heaven and earth to prevent their genocidal carve-up and destruction of my Client the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the further genocide of my Clients the Bosnians. Well, alright, I was doing this case free of charge and pro bono publico. I wasn't paid a dime by the Bosnian government, whether for expenses or for fees. Indeed, I was eating my own expenses. It cost me $30,000 in out of pocket expenses to win those two World Court Orders that I took out of my own bank account and put on my American Express Gold Card. That money was paid back to me by a Bosnian woman living in Canada who took out a second mortgage on her home. So the Bosnian government brought in their own Bosnian lawyer to take my place, Mr. Softic. And then what happened? Here we get directly into feminist legal studies and international human rights law. When I was flying back from the World Court to here in Champaign the day after winning my first Order, on that long airplane flight home I contemplated to myself: "Ok. I won this Order but now I'm going to have to prove it at the trial. And here, there's 25,000 raped women. I did win the temporary restraining Order but proving it in Court on the merits is another matter. I want this to be done in a way that would set a precedent for the future of all women. So I am really going to need an expert on both feminist legal theory and international human rights law to conceptualize this entire matter for me on setting up, proving, and winning that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide." So I called up my friend Professor Kathleen Mahoney, who teaches at the University of Calgary Law School in Canada and I asked her to handle all this for me and in particular to conceptualize how we are going to argue and win that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide from a feminist legal studies perspective. She readily agreed to do it, free of charge and pro bono publico, eating her own expenses, and immediately set up a team of women lawyers there in Calgary and went to work on it for me. What happened? After I was moved off the case, Bosnia's lawyers dismissed Professor Mahoney and her team and dropped the entire issue that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide from the World Court lawsuit. They dropped it all completely from the proceedings. After I had deliberately put it right in there smack dab in the heart of the lawsuit as one of the critical elements of this genocide case right from the very get-go. And then, when it came to the trial on the merits at the World Court, I was not there, but here. I did follow it from here and as far as I could tell, Bosnia's Lawyers did not have even one Bosnian woman victim of rape testify. I stand subject to correction by someone who actually attended the World Court trial in The Hague, but you had 20,000+ raped women, and Bosnia's lawyers did not call even one rape victim to testify as a witness? And this despite the fact that at the very beginning of these proceedings I had told the World Court that I had at least 5 rape victims and I was going to call them all to testify at the trial about what happened to them? So of course in its Judgment on the merits, the World Court basically said "Well Bosnia made the charge at the beginning of the lawsuit, but they didn't put on any evidence in the Memorial or in the trial to support it." So it was summarily dismissed, and that was that. These 40,000 raped women of Bosnia were abandoned and betrayed by their own government! Likewise, the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrinja were abandoned and betrayed by their own government! Ditto for the Women of Srebrenica! Where do we stand now? My argument that the rape of women can constitute genocide was ratified by International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda in the Akayesu case decided in 1998. Akayesu is the leading source of international legal authority that we have today that the rape of women can constitute genocide. As for Professor Mahoney, she and her team took all of their outstanding work and filed it with the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia where it was used in the Foca Rape Camp case. The Serbs established and maintained rape camps. These Bosnian Muslim women were kept in these rape camps, they were repeatedly raped and gang-raped, they were traded around and sold and trafficked. Professor Mahoney and her team successfully argued to the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia that their sexual slavery was a crime against humanity. Now, that is a major advance for women in the development of international human rights law and of international criminal law. Up until that ruling, sexual slavery in war time had never been considered anything more serious than a series of war crimes. Thanks to Professor Mahoney and her team, sexual slavery is now a crime against humanity. More serious than a war crime, and just short of genocide. For example I have tried to help the Sex Slaves in Korea that the male chauvinist pig militarists in Japan still call their "comfort women" that were designated for their own personal sexual "comfort." Well clearly this is a crime against humanity -- what the Japanese did to the Korean women and also to the Chinese women, the Sex Slaves over in China too, during World War II. And Japan still denies it as of today. In both cases, nothing meaningful has really been done to rectify these grave injustices, these crimes against humanity against the Korean women and the Chinese women by Japan. Most of these women have gone to their graves in silence and unvindicated. These Korean women and these Chinese women too have been abandoned and betrayed by their own governments. Finally, overall, it has just been announced that on March 24, 2016, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia will issue its Verdict on Radovan Karadzic. Karadzic had been indicted for every crime in the ICTY Statute including two counts of genocide - one count for Bosnia in general and the second count for Srebrenica in particular. During the summer of 1993. I stopped Karadzic, Milosevic, Tudjman, Boban, Owen, Stoltenberg, the United Nations and the European Union from carving up and destroying the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina with the most catastrophic consequences for the Bosnians. We were all in Geneva together! And they had the backing of Clinton and Christopher working behind the scenes in Washington, D.C. in support of their efforts to destroy us. It will certainly be nice to see Karadzic finally get his just desserts after all these years! Similarly, working on behalf of my Clients the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrinja. I got the ICTY Prosecutor to likewise indict Slobodan Milosevic for every crime in the ICTY Statute book including two counts of genocide -- one count for Bosnia in general and the second count for Srebrenica in particular. He died while on trial in The Hague taking all his secrets with him. How convenient for Clinton, Britain, France, Russia, the United Nations, and the European Union. Dead men tell no tales! I will have to study the Karadzic Verdict and figure out what more - if anything - can now be done on behalf of the 40,000 raped women of Bosnia, the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrinja, the Women of Srebrenica, and the Bosnians. Thank you. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 16:56:40 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 10:56:40 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: The Mass Rape of the Bosnian Women Was Genocide! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ...Even if we do hold Milosevic and the Yugoslav government responsible for some of the deaths there in 1999, (in a war which the West had clearly desired and provoked) far, far, greater death and destruction has been caused by the countries who were the keenest to see the President of Yugoslavia in the dock. As John Pilger noted in 2008, the bombing of Yugoslavia was the “perfect precursor to the bloodbaths in Afghanistan and Iraq.” https://www.rt.com/op-edge/354362-slobodan-milosevic-exonerated-us-nato/ > On Jan 17, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Yeah, tell that to my former Clients the 40,000 Raped Women of Bosnia for whom I obtained two Orders of Protection against Milosevic et al. from the International Court of Justice, which is the World Court of the United Nations System, going back to 1921. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:12 PM > To: SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: The Mass Rape of the Bosnian Women Was Genocide! > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > The Mass Rape of the Bosnian Women Was Genocide! > By Professor Francis A. Boyle > University of Illinois College of Law > Women’s Law Symposium > March 9, 2016 > The author won two Orders from the International Court of Justice overwhelmingly in favor of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention on April 8, 1993 and September 13, 1993. This was the first time ever that any Government or Lawyer had won two such Orders in one case since the World Court was founded in 1921. And on August 5, 1993, he also won an Article 74(4) Order from the World Court to the same effect. Under Article 74(4) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, when the Full Court is not in Session, the President of the Court exercises the Full Powers of the Court and can issue an Order that is binding upon the states parties in a case. The story is told in his book The Bosnian People Charge Genocide! (Aletheia Press: 1996). > I want to express my gratitude to the Women’s Law Society for asking me to speak here today and especially in honor of International Women’s Day. The WLS organizers asked me to talk about a problem related to women and human rights. Over my career since coming here in 1978 -- both practicing and teaching international human rights law -- the most daunting problem I ever confronted was being the Lawyer for all the raped women of Bosnia and Herzegovina. I was the Attorney of Record for at least 20,000+ raped women of Bosnia before the International Court of Justice in The Hague, the World Court of the United Nations System. All 20,000+ of these raped Bosnian women were my Clients. I had originally figured 20,000 was a gross underestimate since rape is always underreported -- especially during war time. When the war and the genocide were over, the United Nations got into Bosnia in order to investigate. I have read that the current U.N. estimate is that about 40,000 Bosnian Muslim women were raped during that war and genocide. > The Bosnian President Alija Izetbegovic appointed me their General Agent with Extraordinary and Penitentiary Powers to represent the Republic of Bosnia Herzegovina before the International Court of Justice. That meant I was their Attorney of Record and their Ambassador to the World Court with responsibility to argue their case for genocide and to stop the genocide against the Bosnians. This lawsuit was the most important international human rights case ever filed at the World Court since it was founded in 1921. All I am going to do here is discuss one critical element of the case when I argued to the World Court that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide. I was given complete authority by President Izetbegovic to argue this case as I saw fit, and the mass rape of the Bosnian women was a decisive component of this genocide lawsuit as I saw it. > Even the Nazis during World War II did not engage in the mass and systematic rape of women as a technique of warfare, though the Japanese came very close to it against Chinese women during the Second World War. Bosnia was appalling! It seemed to me that what was going on there was not just rape – which in times of war is a war crime -- but that what was going on there was genocide. Outright genocide! So I decided to argue that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide to the World Court. > Now when I argued the case to the World Court I was operating on the basis of multiple and independent reputable human rights sources that what we were dealing with here was somewhere between 20,000 to 25,000 raped Bosnian Muslim women. If you look at the Genocide Convention, I was working with this definition in respect to arguing their case for genocide: > Article II. In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, as such… > (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group… > Certainly rape causes both serious bodily and serious mental harm to members of the group. In this case, Yugoslavian and Bosnian Serb Christian men were raping Bosnian Muslim women. > But that is only the actus reus of the crime of genocide that I just quoted to you. I also had to prove the mens rea, and in the case of genocide, this was a specific intent offense. So I had to argue and prove that these women were being raped because of their Muslim religion or because of their Bosnian nationality or because of their Bosnian Muslim ethnicity. So how did I do that? I compiled all the victims’ statements we could get from United Nations Organs, the Council of Europe, reputable human rights organizations such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, and put them all together and filed them with the World Court. And what type of evidence did I use to establish their genocidal specific intent by means of rape? Here, I am going to use some graphic language, but, hey, we are all adults here and we are lawyers. So that is just the way I had to argue the case: > I got numerous statements that, while these women were being raped, their rapists and the men surrounding them and oftentimes gang-raping them, said to them while they were in the process of raping and gang-raping them “Fuck Mohammad!” That proved that the rapists and gang-rapists were motivated because of the women’s religion. Or the rapists and gang-rapists would yell to their victims while raping them “Fuck your Turkish mother!” Bosnians are not Turks. They are South Slavic people, but because they are Muslims, Serbs derogatively refer to them as Turks. I put that in there to indicate these women were being raped on grounds of nationality and ethnicity. And: “Fuck you, you Balija whore!” Balija is a Serb derogatory term for Bosnian Muslims. Ditto. And: “Fuck Alija!” -- in reference to my Client the President of the Republic of Bosnia Herzegovina Alija Izetbegovic, who was a Bosnian Muslim. Ditto. Etc > I compiled all these statements I possibly could obtain and put them into a package and filed them with the World Court. It was not enough just to prove that these women were being raped. It was not enough just to prove that these rapists and gang-rapists were war criminals and sadists. I had to prove that in the process of raping them these Christian Serbs raped the Bosnian Muslim women for religious reasons or national reasons or ethnical reasons as required by Article 2 of the Genocide Convention that says: “…committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial, or religious group, as such.” I argued to the World Court that Christian Serb men were raping Bosnian Muslim women for national and ethnical and religious reasons. > I also argued to the World Court Article 2, paragraph (d) of the Genocide Convention to establish that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide for a second count of the actus reus for genocide: “Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.” And here, again, I used a multiplicity of victims’ statements from all reputable human rights sources and organizations, that while these women were being raped and gang-raped, their rapists and the men surrounding them and their gang-rapists, were saying to them “We’re going to give you a good little Serbian baby,” or “We’re going to give you a good little Serb baby.” This is because in this South Slavic culture the ethnicity is deemed to descend from the father. So, technically, if you have a child born of a Bosnian Muslim woman raped by a Christian Serb father, the baby is deemed to be Serb. Also, “We’re going to give you a good little chetnik baby!” Chetnik was a term for Serbian partisan resistance fighters during World War 2. Nothing wrong with resisting the Nazis. But here these Christian Serb men were invoking the Serb term Chetnik while they were raping these Bosnian Muslim women. > Next, Yugoslavia and the so-called Bosnia Serb Army, which was in fact an arm of the Yugoslav National Army, maintained rape camps for Bosnian Muslim women throughout the Bosnian territories that they occupied. There Bosnian Muslim women were confined and reduced to sexual slavery, repeatedly raped and gang-raped, traded around, sold, and trafficked. If they became pregnant in these rape camps, we had numerous victims’ statements that their captor-rapists told them: “We are going to make you stay here to give birth to a chetnik baby so that you do not get an abortion.” Yet another violation of Genocide Convention article 2(d) that I filed with and argued to the World Court. > Finally, we had large numbers of Bosnian refugees up in Canada. The Clinton administration – Clinton was such a phony and a hypocrite on Bosnia, I won’t go through it all here. But Canada was letting them in, while Clinton was not letting them into the United States on a large scale until after the Dayton Agreement. I called up to Canada and said “I need five courageous women, victims of rape, willing to give me their statements that I will file with the World Court and they must also be willing to testify at the World Court in front of the entire world what happened to them.” They got me the five courageous rape victims, we had their victim statements recorded, translated into English, and I filed them with the World Court. > At this beginning stage of the case I was simply trying to get what is called “an indication of provisional measures of protection.” That is the international equivalent of a temporary restraining order and injunction against all acts of genocide. So the proceedings on the merits and the trial itself would come later on down the line. At this stage, I was just trying to stop the genocide and the war and the rapes. I fully intended to call as witnesses before the World Court as many rape victims as I could fit into the schedule for the trial on the merits. > To make a long story short, I won a massive overwhelming Order from the World Court against Yugoslavia. Three measures of protection, the first that Yugoslavia itself should cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide against Bosnia and the Bosnians. I won that measure unanimously. The second, that Yugoslavia must do everything in their power to stop all these paramilitary, military, terrorist groups, and criminal gangs that they had launched upon the Bosnians, including for the purpose of the mass rape of the Bosnian women as techniques of ethnic cleansing and warfare. I won that measure with only the Russian Judge dissenting. And then third, which I had requested, that Yugoslavia do nothing more to further extend or aggravate this dispute over genocide. I won that unanimously too. > So then my Order was transmitted to the United Nations Security Council for enforcement as required by the United Nations Charter. It was for the Security Council to enforce my Order that genocide and the raping be stopped because Yugoslavia did not stop the genocide and raping and indeed they continued it and escalated it. What did the Security Council do with my Order? Nothing! Clinton sabotaged its enforcement together with the British and the French and the Russians. So nothing was done. > Amazingly, instead of enforcing my World Court Order against Yugoslavia, these Great Powers then decided to punish Bosnia and the Bosnians by coming up with the so-called Owen-Stoltenberg Plan. This would have carved up the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina into three little chunks of land, destroyed our Statehood under international law, robbed us of our U.N. Membership, and subjected 1.5 to 2 million more Bosnians to ethnic cleansing. The Bosnian Apocalypse was staring me right in my face! > So I returned to the World Court asking for a second Order of provisional measures of protection to stop Owen-Stoltenberg. Then the very next day I flew to Geneva where I was the Lawyer for the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina at the Owen-Stoltenberg negotiations in order to stop them in situ. I sabotaged the whole damn thing right then and there. I made sure it never happened. And then I went back to the World Court and won that second Order – again -- a massive overwhelming victory on behalf of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide against the Bosnians, both directly and indirectly by means of their genocidal surrogates. That was the end of the Owen-Stoltenberg Plan. > When the war was over, President Izetbegovic gave an interview in which he said “we almost lost our State in the Fall of 1993,” which was correct. I was there. Bosnia almost fell. All of Bosnia would have been turned into Srebrenica, and I later became the Attorney of Record for the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrinja at the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia. 8,000+ Bosnian Muslim men and boys were just exterminated, and many women were raped. We would have had at least another 100,000+ more dead Bosnians and another 40,000+ more raped Bosnian Muslim women if Bosnia had fallen in the Fall of 1993. > But Clinton, Britain, France, and Russia refused to enforce my second World Court Order at the U.N. Security Council against Yugoslavia. Even most despicably, Clinton, Britain, France, and Russia sabotaged my strategy and our efforts to invoke the United Nation’s Uniting for Peace Resolution (1950) in order to have the United Nations General Assembly enforce my World Court Order against Yugoslavia. And in the Fall of 1993 Clinton finally came out of the closet and revealed his genocidal intention to carve-up and destroy the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina. > Clinton hauled into the White House the Dutch Foreign Minister Kooijmans to serve as his stalking horse in order to do his genocidal dirty work for him. I had already briefed Kooijmans in his office at The Hague on these so-called Bosnian peace plans, saying they were all genocidal; that he should have nothing to do with them; and asked him to help us. Instead Clinton and Kooijmans came up with what they called the Contact Group Plan, which, again, would have done the same thing as Owen-Stoltenberg: Carve-up the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina into three pieces, destroy Bosnia’s Statehood under international law, and subject 1.5 to 2 million more Bosnians to ethnic cleansing. > So acting pursuant to my advice, President Izetbegovic gave me the authority to sue Britain at the World Court for aiding and abetting Yugoslavia’s genocide against the Bosnians and the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina. We really couldn’t sue Clinton. Clinton was guilty as sin and deserved to be sued! But the only hope we had was that Clinton would change his mind. And among the other Permanent Members of the Security Council, the British were certainly the worst against us by far -- though I had repeatedly offered to sue France and Russia at the World Court as well. Ditto for Croatia. > I set out to sue Britain to stop this latest Clinton/Kooijmans/Contact Group genocidal carve-up plan. I also set out to sue Britain at the World Court for aiding and abetting the Bosnian genocide, to stop the genocide, including the mass rape of the Bosnian women, and to break the genocidal arms embargo that the Security Council had illegally imposed upon the Bosnians in gross violation of their basic right to self-defense under U.N. Charter article 51. The Bosnians could not defend their women and their children. The Yugoslav National Army was one of the most powerful armies in Europe. After the Tito/Stalin split, Tito had armed, equipped, supplied and trained the JNA to repulse an invasion by the Soviet Union. By comparison, the Bosnians had no heavy weapons of their own. They were being slaughtered. I could watch it live on CNN. > In response, the British then threatened the Bosnians to the effect that if they let me argue this genocide case against them at the World Court, we will starve you to death. It was the middle of winter. All the food supplies for the Bosnians came in at Sarajevo airport that was under the control of the British and French troops. The British just threatened to cut off the supplies then and there. So under those circumstances of extreme duress, we had to withdraw that lawsuit against Britain for genocide from the World Court. The British also said: “And by the way, fire Boyle!” The British and everyone else involved knew full well that so long as I was Bosnia’s Lawyer at the World Court, I would use all the powers at my command and move heaven and earth to prevent their genocidal carve-up and destruction of my Client the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the further genocide of my Clients the Bosnians. > Well, alright, I was doing this case free of charge and pro bono publico. I wasn’t paid a dime by the Bosnian government, whether for expenses or for fees. Indeed, I was eating my own expenses. It cost me $30,000 in out of pocket expenses to win those two World Court Orders that I took out of my own bank account and put on my American Express Gold Card. That money was paid back to me by a Bosnian woman living in Canada who took out a second mortgage on her home. So the Bosnian government brought in their own Bosnian lawyer to take my place, Mr. Softic. And then what happened? Here we get directly into feminist legal studies and international human rights law. > When I was flying back from the World Court to here in Champaign the day after winning my first Order, on that long airplane flight home I contemplated to myself: “Ok. I won this Order but now I’m going to have to prove it at the trial. And here, there’s 25,000 raped women. I did win the temporary restraining Order but proving it in Court on the merits is another matter. I want this to be done in a way that would set a precedent for the future of all women. So I am really going to need an expert on both feminist legal theory and international human rights law to conceptualize this entire matter for me on setting up, proving, and winning that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide.” So I called up my friend Professor Kathleen Mahoney, who teaches at the University of Calgary Law School in Canada and I asked her to handle all this for me and in particular to conceptualize how we are going to argue and win that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide from a feminist legal studies perspective. She readily agreed to do it, free of charge and pro bono publico, eating her own expenses, and immediately set up a team of women lawyers there in Calgary and went to work on it for me. > What happened? After I was moved off the case, Bosnia’s lawyers dismissed Professor Mahoney and her team and dropped the entire issue that the mass rape of the Bosnian women was genocide from the World Court lawsuit. They dropped it all completely from the proceedings. After I had deliberately put it right in there smack dab in the heart of the lawsuit as one of the critical elements of this genocide case right from the very get-go. > And then, when it came to the trial on the merits at the World Court, I was not there, but here. I did follow it from here and as far as I could tell, Bosnia’s Lawyers did not have even one Bosnian woman victim of rape testify. I stand subject to correction by someone who actually attended the World Court trial in The Hague, but you had 20,000+ raped women, and Bosnia’s lawyers did not call even one rape victim to testify as a witness? And this despite the fact that at the very beginning of these proceedings I had told the World Court that I had at least 5 rape victims and I was going to call them all to testify at the trial about what happened to them? > So of course in its Judgment on the merits, the World Court basically said “Well Bosnia made the charge at the beginning of the lawsuit, but they didn’t put on any evidence in the Memorial or in the trial to support it.” So it was summarily dismissed, and that was that. These 40,000 raped women of Bosnia were abandoned and betrayed by their own government! Likewise, the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrinja were abandoned and betrayed by their own government! Ditto for the Women of Srebrenica! > Where do we stand now? My argument that the rape of women can constitute genocide was ratified by International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda in the Akayesu case decided in 1998. Akayesu is the leading source of international legal authority that we have today that the rape of women can constitute genocide. As for Professor Mahoney, she and her team took all of their outstanding work and filed it with the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia where it was used in the Foca Rape Camp case. The Serbs established and maintained rape camps. These Bosnian Muslim women were kept in these rape camps, they were repeatedly raped and gang-raped, they were traded around and sold and trafficked. Professor Mahoney and her team successfully argued to the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia that their sexual slavery was a crime against humanity. > Now, that is a major advance for women in the development of international human rights law and of international criminal law. Up until that ruling, sexual slavery in war time had never been considered anything more serious than a series of war crimes. Thanks to Professor Mahoney and her team, sexual slavery is now a crime against humanity. More serious than a war crime, and just short of genocide. > For example I have tried to help the Sex Slaves in Korea that the male chauvinist pig militarists in Japan still call their “comfort women” that were designated for their own personal sexual “comfort.” Well clearly this is a crime against humanity -- what the Japanese did to the Korean women and also to the Chinese women, the Sex Slaves over in China too, during World War II. And Japan still denies it as of today. In both cases, nothing meaningful has really been done to rectify these grave injustices, these crimes against humanity against the Korean women and the Chinese women by Japan. Most of these women have gone to their graves in silence and unvindicated. These Korean women and these Chinese women too have been abandoned and betrayed by their own governments. > Finally, overall, it has just been announced that on March 24, 2016, the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia will issue its Verdict on Radovan Karadzic. Karadzic had been indicted for every crime in the ICTY Statute including two counts of genocide – one count for Bosnia in general and the second count for Srebrenica in particular. During the summer of 1993. I stopped Karadzic, Milosevic, Tudjman, Boban, Owen, Stoltenberg, the United Nations and the European Union from carving up and destroying the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina with the most catastrophic consequences for the Bosnians. We were all in Geneva together! And they had the backing of Clinton and Christopher working behind the scenes in Washington, D.C. in support of their efforts to destroy us. It will certainly be nice to see Karadzic finally get his just desserts after all these years! > Similarly, working on behalf of my Clients the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrinja. I got the ICTY Prosecutor to likewise indict Slobodan Milosevic for every crime in the ICTY Statute book including two counts of genocide -- one count for Bosnia in general and the second count for Srebrenica in particular. He died while on trial in The Hague taking all his secrets with him. How convenient for Clinton, Britain, France, Russia, the United Nations, and the European Union. Dead men tell no tales! I will have to study the Karadzic Verdict and figure out what more – if anything – can now be done on behalf of the 40,000 raped women of Bosnia, the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrinja, the Women of Srebrenica, and the Bosnians. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 16:57:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:57:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: World Court 1 April 1993: Republic of Bosnia & Herzegovina v. Yugoslavia for Genocide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle (far left) on the floor of the International Court of Justice on 1 April 1993, squaring off against his adversary Shabtai Rosenne from Israel (far right) representing Yugoslavia, just before he argued and then won the first of his two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. This was the first time ever that any Government or Lawyer had won two such Orders in one case since the World Court was founded in 1921. He also won an Article 74(4) Order from the World Court to the same effect. Under Article 74(4) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, when the Full Court is not in Session, the President of the Court exercises the Full Powers of the Court and can issue an Order that is binding upon the states parties in a case. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20110726101027971.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 80532 bytes Desc: 20110726101027971.pdf URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 17:03:01 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:03:01 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] World Court 1 April 1993: Republic of Bosnia & Herzegovina v. Yugoslavia for Genocide References: Message-ID: Conclusion At this the current break-point in my ongoing Bosnian story in medias res, the reader is probably asking yourself: What good are international laws and international lawyers? My answer is simple: Without them, all of Bosnia could have been turned into Srebrenica! Or worse. In order to argue my Second Request for Provisional Measures of Protection for the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Bosnians before the International Court of Justice on 25 and 26 August 1993, I had to leave my Family on summer vacation for one week alone near Traverse City, Michigan, on the beautiful shores of Lake Michigan. When I flew back from The Hague to Traverse City airport through Chicago O'Hare airport, I was dead-tired. I had just engaged in two days of brutal hand-to-hand legal combat before the World Court and the international news media with Yugoslavia's four genocidal lawyers: Shabtai Rosenne of Israel and his Three-Stooge Serb lawyers - Moe, Larry, and Curley. Everything was at stake for R.B.I.H. and the Bosnians! As I got off the plane and walked drearily into the terminal, I was exhausted and looked it. But there running up the concourse to meet me was my oldest son yelling at the top of his lungs: "Daddy! Daddy! Daddy..." He was just six years old and overjoyed to see me. He immediately perked me up and put a big smile on my face. I squatted down on my haunches and gave him a big hug. Then I stood him straight up in my arms and looked right into his excited little face: "Daddy, I saw you on television running around the World Court. What were you doing at the World Court?" "Well son, I was fighting for the Bosnians." His little head lurched backwards in shocked surprise. Then he stared right at me with a most serious look, furrowed his brows, and said in an amazed tone of voice: "Daddy, did you fight with guns?" "No, son. I fought with words and papers." His paternal Grandfather had fought with guns against the Japanese Imperial Army when he invaded Saipan and Tinian and Okinawa with the United States Marine Corps during the Second World War before he became a Trial Lawyer and founded his own Downtown Chicago Law Firm and promptly appointed to work as his Law Clerk at the age of 9. R.I.P. "... Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, ..." FAB II Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:58 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: FW: World Court 1 April 1993: Republic of Bosnia & Herzegovina v. Yugoslavia for Genocide Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Francis A. Boyle (far left) on the floor of the International Court of Justice on 1 April 1993, squaring off against his adversary Shabtai Rosenne from Israel (far right) representing Yugoslavia, just before he argued and then won the first of his two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. This was the first time ever that any Government or Lawyer had won two such Orders in one case since the World Court was founded in 1921. He also won an Article 74(4) Order from the World Court to the same effect. Under Article 74(4) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, when the Full Court is not in Session, the President of the Court exercises the Full Powers of the Court and can issue an Order that is binding upon the states parties in a case. From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 17 17:32:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:32:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The CIA Are Nazis & Klanners! Message-ID: By the way the Consort of our Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty admitted that he works for the CIA—A Gang of Nazis and Klanners—in addition to both of them stinking up this Campus and our Community by advocating Torture. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:45 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: FW: The CIA Are Nazis & Klanners! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:41 AM To: 'SECTNS.aals at lists.aals.org' > Subject: The CIA Are Nazis & Klanners! That the CIA is a terrorist organization was upheld in the famous “CIA On Trial” case in Northampton, Mass., in 1987, when a jury acquitted 14 protestors who tried to stop CIA recruitment on campus, according to Francis Boyle, the University of Illinois international law authority who defended the group. The defense charged the CIA was “an organized criminal conspiracy like the SS and the Gestapo.” Boyle said, “You would not let the SS or the Gestapo recruit on campus at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, so you would not permit the CIA to recruit on campus either.” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) [home] Abolish the CIA, America. Sherwood Ross. CIA Torture Report. December 9, 2014 9:01 pm 2 Comments The CIA, the KKK and the USA By Sherwood Ross Global Research, October 15, 2010 15 October 2010 [The CIA, the KKK and the USA] By assigning covert action roles to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), it is as if the White House and Congress had legitimized the Ku Klux Klan to operate globally. That’s because the CIA today resembles nothing so much as the “Invisible Empire” of the KKK that once spread terror across the South and Midwest. Fiery crosses aside, this is what the CIA is doing globally. The CIA today is committing many of the same sort of gruesome crimes against foreigners that the KKK once inflicted on Americans of color. The principal difference is that the KKK consisted of self-appointed vigilantes who regarded themselves as both outside and above the law when they perpetrated their crimes. By contrast, the CIA acts as the agent of the American government, often at the highest levels, and at times at the direction of the White House. Its crimes typically are committed in contravention of the highest established international law such as the Charter of the United Nations as well as the U.S. Constitution. What’s more, the “Agency,” as it is known, derives its funding largely from an imperialist-minded Congress; additionally, it has no qualms about fattening its budget from drug money and other illegal sources. It is a mirror-image of the lawless entity the U.S. has become since achieving superpower status. And it is incredible that the White House grants license to this violent Agency to commit its crimes with no accountability. The Ku Klux Klan was founded shortly after the end of the U.S. Civil War. Klansman concealed their identities behind flowing white robes and white hoods as they terrorized the newly emancipated blacks to keep them from voting or to drive them from their property. Allowing it to operate in secret literally gives the CIA the mythical Ring of Gyges. In Plato’s Republic, the owner of the ring had the power to become invisible at will. As Wikipedia puts it, Plato “discusses whether a typical person would be moral if he did not have to fear the consequences of his actions.” The ancient Greeks made the argument, Wikipedia says, that “No man would keep his hands off what was not his own when he could safely take what he liked out of the market, go into houses and lie with any one at his pleasure, kill or release from prison whom he would, and in all respects be like a god among men.” The CIA, like Hitler’s Gestapo and Stalin’s NKVD before it, has provided modern man the answer to this question. Its actions illuminate why all criminal entities, from rapists and bank robbers, to Ponzi scheme swindlers and murderers, cloak themselves in secrecy. There are innumerable examples of how American presidents have authorized criminal acts without public discussion that the preponderant majority of Americans would find reprehensible. Example: it was President Lyndon Johnson who ordered the CIA to meddle in Chile’s election to help Eduardo Frei become president. If they had known, U.S. taxpayers might have objected to such a use of their hard-earned money to influence the outcome of another country’s elections. But the public is rarely let in on such illegal foreign policy decisions. Where the KKK after the Civil War terrorized blacks to keep them from voting, the CIA has worked to influence the outcome of elections all over the world through bribery and vote-buying, dirty tricks, and worse. According to investigative reporter William Blum in “Rogue State”(Common Courage Press), the CIA has perverted elections in Italy, Lebanon, Indonesia, The Philippines, Japan, Nepal, Laos, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, Portugal, Australia, Jamaica, Panama, Nicaragua, Haiti, among other countries. If they had known, taxpayers might also object to the CIA’s numerous overthrows of foreign governments by force and violence—such as was done in Iran in 1953 by President Eisenhower and Chile in 1973 by President Nixon. Both overthrows precipitated bloodbaths that cost tens of thousands of innocent civilians their lives. Blum also lists the countries the CIA has attempted to overthrow or has actually overthrown. His list includes Greece, The Philippines, East Germany, Iran, Guatemala, Indonesia, Iraq, Viet Nam, Laos, Ecuador, The Congo, France, Cuba, Ghana, Chile, South Africa, Bolivia, Portugal, and Nicaragua, to cite a few. As I write, today, October 11th, 2010, Nobel Peace Prize winner Adolfo Perez Esquivel of Argentina called on President Obama to revise U.S. (imperialist) policies toward Latin America. He questioned why the U.S. continues to plant its military bases across the region. That’s an excellent question. If the U.S. is a peace-loving nation, why does it need 800 bases the world over in addition to 1,000 on its own soil? Americans might recoil in disgust if they knew of the CIA’s numerous assassinations of the elected officials of other nations. Is it any wonder Americans so often ask the question, “Why do they hate us?” As historian Arnold Toynbee wrote in 1961, “America is today the leader of a world-wide anti-revolutionary movement in the defence of vested interests. She now stands for what Rome stood for. Rome consistently supported the rich against the poor in all foreign communities that fell under her sway; and, since the poor, so far, have always and everywhere been more numerous than the rich, Rome’s policy made for inequality, for injustice, and for the least happiness of the greatest number.” The CIA’s protective secrecy resembles nothing so much as the KKK, which proudly proclaimed itself “the Invisible Empire” and whose thugs killed citizens having the courage to identify hooded Klansmen to law enforcement officials. Today, it is our highest public officials that protect this criminal force, said to number about 25,000 employees. It is actually a Federal offense to reveal the identity of a CIA undercover agent—unless, of course, you happen to be I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, and are employed by Vice President Dick Cheney. Libby leaked the identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame to punish her husband Joseph Wilson for publishing a report that undercut the White House lie that Saddam Hussein had purchased “yellowcake” from Niger to fuel WMD. Today, high public officials direct the CIA’s criminal policies and protect its agents’ identities the better to enable them to commit their crimes. According to journalist Fred Cook in his book “Ku Klux Klan: America’s Recurring Nightmare”(Messner), “The Klan was inherently a vigilante organization. It could commit the most atrocious acts under the guise of high principle andperpetrators of those acts would be hidden behind white masks and protected by Klan secrecy… (The Klan) set itself up as judge, jury and executioner”—a policy adopted by the CIA today. CIA spies have conducted their criminal operations masquerading as officials of U.S. aid programs, business executives, or journalists. Example: The San Diego-based Copley News Service’s staff of foreign correspondents allegedly was created to provide cover to CIA spies, compromising legitimate American journalists trying to do their jobs. While the murders committed by the KKK likely ran into the many thousands, the CIA has killed on a far grander scale and managed to keep its role largely secret. As Tim Weiner, who covered the CIA for the New York Times noted in his book “Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA” (Anchor): “In Guatemala, 200,000 civilians had died during forty years of struggle following the agency’s(CIA) 1954 coup against an elected president.” Weiner adds, “the CIA’s officers in Guatemala still went to great lengths to conceal the nature of their close relations with the military and to suppress reports that Guatemalan officers on its payroll were murderers, torturers, and thieves.” When it comes to murder, the CIA makes the KKK look like Boy Scouts. Like the KKK, CIA terrorists operate above the law. KKK members committed thousands of lynchings yet rarely were its members punished for them. In 2009 at a speech at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, President Obama revealed he was not intent on punishing CIA agents for their crimes but would rather “look forward.” This seemingly charitable philosophy may be driven by the fact that Obama worked for Business International Corporation, a CIA front, at least in 1983 and perhaps longer, and allegedly is the son of a mother and father both of whom also worked for the CIA, as did Obama’s grandmother! I could find none of this in Obama’s biography when he ran for the presidency, when a gullible American public elected a CIA “mole” to the White House. Consider this, too: an agency President Truman feared would become “an American Gestapo” when he signed the enabling legislation into law in 1947 has become just that, and it casts a lengthy shadow over the White House. Ominously, it has in Barack Obama one of its own former employees sitting in the Oval Office—a man who, according to news reports, has vastly expanded the frequency of the CIA’s assassinations by drone aircraft in Pakistan and who illegally claims the “right” to assassinate any American citizen abroad as well. What’s more, from 1989 to 1993 George Bush Sr., the CIA’s own former Director, sat in the White House. Additionally, from 2001 to 2009, the CIA had that Director’s son, George W. Bush, in the Oval Office giving the CIA a blank check after the 9/11 massacre. Bush Jr., according to The New York Times, in the summer of 1974 worked for Alaska International Industries, which did contract work for the CIA. The Times noted that this job did not appear in his biography when he ran for the White House in 2000, terming it “The Missing Chapter in the Bush Bio.” Thus, two presidential candidates with CIA ties—Bush Jr. and Obama—both neglected to mention them. And in Bill Clinton, who presided from 1993 to 2001, the CIA had a go-along president who satisfied the Agency’s blood-lust when he authorized the first illegal “rendition,” a euphemism for what KKK thugs once knew as kidnapping and torture. Is there any question that the Agency has not played an influential, behind-the-scenes or even a direct role in the operations of the U.S. government at its highest level? It may indeed be a stretch to argue that the CIA is running the country but it is no stretch to say that year after year our presidents reflect the criminal philosophy of the Agency. Other parallels with the KKK are striking. As Richmond Flowers, the Attorney General of Alabama stated in 1966, “I’ve found the Klan more than just another secret society… It resembles a shadow government, making its own laws, manipulating local politics, burrowing into some of our local law-enforcement agencies…When a pitiable misfit puts on his $15 sheet, society can no longer ignore him.” Yet the descendants of those misfits have moved up today where they feel comfortable as operatives in the shadow government run by the White House. One of the CIA’s illicit duties has been to serve as a conduit for funneling U.S. taxpayer dollars to corrupt dictators and strongmen bent on suppressing the popular will of their citizenry. As Noam Chomsky wrote in “Failed States”(Metropolitan/Owl), in Honduras, “military officers in charge of the battalion (3-16) were on the CIA payroll.” This elite unit, he says, “organized and trained by the United States and Argentine neo-Nazis,” was “the most barbaric of the Latin American killers that Washington had been supporting.” Like the KKK, the CIA kidnaps many of its victims with no thought ever of legal procedure. It exhibits utter disdain for the rights of those individuals, the sovereignty of foreign nations, or respect for international law. At least hundreds of foreigners, mostly from the Middle East, have been the victims of “renditions” just as the KKK kidnapped and flogged and lynched blacks, labor leaders, Catholics, Jews, or wayward wives whom it felt to be morally lacking. In September, 1921, The New York World ran a series exposing the KKK. It pointed out that, among other things, the KKK was violating the Bill of Rights wholesale. This included the Fourth amendment against “unreasonable searches and seizures,” the Fifth and the Sixth amendments, guaranteeing that no one may be held without a grand jury indictment or punished without a fair trial. And these rights today are similarly trampled by the CIA against American citizens, not just foreigners. Apparently, only foreign courts care to rein in the CIA. The 23 CIA agents that it took to render one “suspect” in Italy are wanted there by the magistrates. (The spooks, by the way, ran up some fabulous bills in luxury hotels on taxpayers’ dollars in that escapade.) Former President Jimmy Carter wrote in his book “Our Endangered Values”(Simon & Schuster), the CIA transferred some of those it kidnapped to countries that included Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Morocco, Jordan, and Uzbekistan where “the techniques of torture are almost indescribably terrible, including, as a U.S. ambassador to one of the recipient countries reported, ‘partial boiling of a hand or an arm,’ with at least two prisoners boiled to death.” The KKK’s methods of punishment were often as ugly: the brutal flogging of blacks in front of vicious crowds, followed by castration and burning their victims alive, and then lynching of the corpses. As for the CIA, “Why?” asks investigative reporter William Blum, “are these men rendered in the first place if not to be tortured? Does the United States not have any speakers in foreign languages to conduct interrogations?” That the CIA is a terrorist organization was upheld in the famous “CIA On Trial” case in Northampton, Mass., in 1987, when a jury acquitted 14 protestors who tried to stop CIA recruitment on campus, according to Francis Boyle, the University of Illinois international law authority who defended the group. The defense charged the CIA was “an organized criminal conspiracy like the SS and the Gestapo.” Boyle said, “You would not let the SS or the Gestapo recruit on campus at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, so you would not permit the CIA to recruit on campus either.” Another shared characteristic of the KKK and CIA is greed, the desire to loot the hard-earned wealth of others. Often, Klansmen terrorized African-Americans who had amassed property to frighten them off their land. Law-abiding black citizens who had pulled themselves up by the proverbial bootstraps were cheated out of their homes and acreage by the night riders. Similarly, the CIA across Latin America has aligned itself with the well-to-do ruling class at every opportunity. It has cooperated with the elite to punish and murder labor leaders and clergy who espoused economic opportunity for the poor. The notion that allowing the poor to enrich themselves fairly will also create more wealth for an entire society generally, including the rich, has not permeated CIA thinking. I emphasize what historian Toynbee noted: “America is today the leader of a world-wide anti-revolutionary movement in the defence of vested interests. She now stands for what Rome stood for.”(Italics added.) In sum, by adopting the terrorist philosophy of the KKK and elevating it to the operations of government at the highest level, the imperial Obama administration, like its predecessors, is showing the world the worst possible face of America. Foreigners do not see the goodness inherent in the American people—most of whom only want a good day’s pay for a good day’s work and to educate their children and live at peace with the world. Every adult American has a solemn obligation to demand that its government live up to international law, punish the CIA criminals in its midst, and become a respected citizen of the world. This will not come to pass until Congress abolishes the CIA, putting an end to its KKK-style terrorism which threatens Americans as well as humankind everywhere. Sherwood Ross is an American who has worked as a reporter for the Chicago Daily News, a columnist for wire services and as the News Director of a national civil rights organization. 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(Photo: Reuters) President Barack Obama has commuted noted whistleblower Chelsea Manning's prison sentence, and Manning will be released on May 17 of this year. While Manning was reportedly on Obama's short list for commutations, many were shocked that the president—notorious for dealing harshly with whistleblowers—followed through. Human rights defenders, government watchdogs, and LGBTQ advocates have long been pushing Obama to commute Manning's 35-year sentence, particularly as Manning, who is transgender and is being denied appropriate healthcare in military prison, has attempted suicide twice in the past six months. "I'm relieved and thankful that the president is doing the right thing and commuting Chelsea Manning’s sentence," said Chase Strangio, a staff attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union's LGBT Project representing Manning, in a statement. "Since she was first taken into custody, Chelsea has been subjected to long stretches of solitary confinement—including for attempting suicide—and has been denied access to medically necessary health care," Strangio added. "This move could quite literally save Chelsea’s life, and we are all better off knowing that Chelsea Manning will walk out of prison a free woman, dedicated to making the world a better place and fighting for justice for so many." Evan Greer, campaign director of Fight for the Future, who has been an ardent supporter of Chelsea’s and speaks to her on the phone on a regular basis, also released a statement. "Chelsea's release is massive victory for free speech, human rights, and democracy," Greer said. "As someone who has become friends with Chelsea over the last year, but has never had a chance to see her face or give her a hug, I'm overjoyed that she will be able to share her beautiful self with the world. 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 18 02:51:21 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 02:51:21 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Wise should have been fired earlier Message-ID: Ditto for Wise {sic!} illegally firing Palestinian American Professor Salaita on the pretextual grounds of “civility,” destroying our Native American Studies Program in the process. Wise’s {sic} two’fer for Bigotry and Racism. Just a Gang of Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigots and Racists behind that, including Wise {sic!}. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Professor of Law, University of Iliniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! And racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) From: dorinda moreno [mailto:fuerzamundial at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:01 PM To: Los Angeles Subject: The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 please support this with action at the rose bowl, and forward widely. thanks, dm -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com Subject: FW: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: ' AALSMIN-L at lists.ubalt.edu' Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 -----Original Message----- From: All the News That Doesn't Fit [ mailto:nytr at blythe-systems.com] To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit [Imagine that on game days everything remains exactly the same except that the Rabbi itself has since been "retired" from "performing" at half-times.-fab] The Racist Mascot from Urbana-Champaign: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois By FRANCIS BOYLE The self-styled "Fighting Illini" of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign are on their way to the Jan. 1, 2008 Rose Bowl with their racist and genocidal mascot and symbol Chief Illiniwak still in tow. Although the NCAA forced the University of Illiniwaks to prevent this Little Red Sambo from desecrating at half-times everything American Indians hold dear and treasure, nevertheless Chief Illiniwak still remains the officially designated "honored symbol" of the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. Just recently the University of Illiniwaks resurrected Chief Illiniwak for the Fall 2007 Homecoming in order to better milk their Alumni/ae as part of their newly launched Capital Campaign, thus definitively proving their craven racism. In his "Year 501: The Conquest Continues" (1993) Noam Chomsky suggests an apt metaphor for such American Indian sports mascots and symbols that I will elaborate upon here in order to conform to our local and most peculiar rites on this campus: Suppose the Nazis had won the Second World War. Sixty years later, a prestigious German state university has a mascot for all of its sports teams and sports fans by the name of "The Rabbi." Basically what happens is that a student from the Hitler Youth League dresses up in an authentic costume for an Hasidic Rabbi, complete with the curl-locks and beard. The University itself collectively call themselves "The Fighting Jews", and the school's band is called "The Marching Jews." The student newspaper is called "The Daily Jew." All the sports fans in town wear jackets and t-shirts with pictures of The Rabbi prominently displayed on them. And most cars have Rabbi stickers planted all over them. Three years ago the University's Board of Trustees ran out of town on a rail a courageous and principled Chancellor who had the temerity to publicly suggest that the time had now come to "retire" the Rabbi. So of course there was a heated campaign on among the students and alumni to "Save the Rabbi!" This German state university plays its soccer matches over at the Nuremberg Stadium in front of an audience of about 75,000 White Aryans , almost all of whom are wearing pro-Rabbi images and clothes. At half-time the Marching Jews take to the stadium floor and begin playing what they purport to be Jewish sounding music along the lines of Fiddler-on-the-Roof. Then all 75,000 White Aryans rise as one and shout in unison: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi" gesticulating wildly and working themselves up into a feeding frenzy. One lone faculty member sits there in protest shouting "Racist Rabbi!" and everyone in the vicinity proceeds to throw garbage at him. Finally, the moment these ardent White Aryans have all waited for has arrived. The Rabbi runs out onto the arena floor from among the Marching Jews, proceeds to the center of the Nuremberg Stadium, and dances the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews play on and march into an intricately choreographed maneuver that they all brag about and take special pride in that culminates with the band being organized into a swastika. So the Rabbi continues to dance the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews form themselves into a swastika. By now all 75,000 White Aryans are hysterical, shouting, screaming and yelling: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi." This semi-religious spectacle that the Nazis are well known for staging, especially at the Nuremberg stadium, goes on for a good twenty minutes. It all concludes with everyone joining hands to sing "Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles," with the Rabbi leading all 75,000 White Aryans in the song. Then the Rabbi proceeds to dance the Hava Nagila out of the stadium followed by the Marching Jews. Everyone goes wild, clapping and cheering. This Rabbi ceremony brings tears to the eyes of many drunken alumni and students who had started several hours beforehand getting inebriated on schnapps and good German beer at pre-game tailgate parties. When it is all over, a visiting law professor from another country asks his host at the soccer match what this spectacle was all about. Without missing a beat the former Dean Mengele of the Law School turns to his guest and says:"We are honoring the Jews." Whom the Nazis had just exterminated 60 years ago, so of course the memory of the Jews needs to be honored by this spectacle. The Illiniwek Indians were ethnically cleansed out of Illinois about a century before that. These are the real "Little Eichmans." Be sure to "boo!" and root against the Illiniwaks. Historically, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, its Boards of Trustees, its Presidents, its Chancellors, its Provosts, its Deans, Directors and Department Heads, and most of its Faculty and Alumni/ae have always been the Ku Klux Klan dressed up in Caps and Gowns instead of Hoods and Sheets. [Francis A. Boyle is Professor of Law at the University of Illinois.] * ================================================================= .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org . List Archives: https://blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ . Subscribe: https://blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Wise should have been fired earlier Martell Miller and I requested that the University of Illinois Board of Trustees not renew Urbana Chancellor Phyllis Wise's employment contract for numerous reasons. For example, enrollment of African-American students under her watch severely declined, and conditions of the African-American Cultural Center were deplorable and life-threatening. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 18 03:03:48 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 03:03:48 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Wise should have been fired earlier Message-ID: The Die-Hard Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigot and Racist Wise {sic!} destroyed the career of Salaita for $800, 000 in taxpayer’s money. No skin off her nose! Mission Accomplished! Good Riddance! Fab. Professor of Law University of Illiniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:51 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: FW: Wise should have been fired earlier Ditto for Wise {sic!} illegally firing Palestinian American Professor Salaita on the pretextual grounds of “civility,” destroying our Native American Studies Program in the process. Wise’s {sic} two’fer for Bigotry and Racism. Just a Gang of Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigots and Racists behind that, including Wise {sic!}. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Professor of Law, University of Iliniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! And racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) From: dorinda moreno [mailto:fuerzamundial at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:01 PM To: Los Angeles Subject: The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 please support this with action at the rose bowl, and forward widely. thanks, dm -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com Subject: FW: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: ' AALSMIN-L at lists.ubalt.edu' Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 -----Original Message----- From: All the News That Doesn't Fit [ mailto:nytr at blythe-systems.com] To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit [Imagine that on game days everything remains exactly the same except that the Rabbi itself has since been "retired" from "performing" at half-times.-fab] The Racist Mascot from Urbana-Champaign: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois By FRANCIS BOYLE The self-styled "Fighting Illini" of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign are on their way to the Jan. 1, 2008 Rose Bowl with their racist and genocidal mascot and symbol Chief Illiniwak still in tow. Although the NCAA forced the University of Illiniwaks to prevent this Little Red Sambo from desecrating at half-times everything American Indians hold dear and treasure, nevertheless Chief Illiniwak still remains the officially designated "honored symbol" of the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. Just recently the University of Illiniwaks resurrected Chief Illiniwak for the Fall 2007 Homecoming in order to better milk their Alumni/ae as part of their newly launched Capital Campaign, thus definitively proving their craven racism. In his "Year 501: The Conquest Continues" (1993) Noam Chomsky suggests an apt metaphor for such American Indian sports mascots and symbols that I will elaborate upon here in order to conform to our local and most peculiar rites on this campus: Suppose the Nazis had won the Second World War. Sixty years later, a prestigious German state university has a mascot for all of its sports teams and sports fans by the name of "The Rabbi." Basically what happens is that a student from the Hitler Youth League dresses up in an authentic costume for an Hasidic Rabbi, complete with the curl-locks and beard. The University itself collectively call themselves "The Fighting Jews", and the school's band is called "The Marching Jews." The student newspaper is called "The Daily Jew." All the sports fans in town wear jackets and t-shirts with pictures of The Rabbi prominently displayed on them. And most cars have Rabbi stickers planted all over them. Three years ago the University's Board of Trustees ran out of town on a rail a courageous and principled Chancellor who had the temerity to publicly suggest that the time had now come to "retire" the Rabbi. So of course there was a heated campaign on among the students and alumni to "Save the Rabbi!" This German state university plays its soccer matches over at the Nuremberg Stadium in front of an audience of about 75,000 White Aryans , almost all of whom are wearing pro-Rabbi images and clothes. At half-time the Marching Jews take to the stadium floor and begin playing what they purport to be Jewish sounding music along the lines of Fiddler-on-the-Roof. Then all 75,000 White Aryans rise as one and shout in unison: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi" gesticulating wildly and working themselves up into a feeding frenzy. One lone faculty member sits there in protest shouting "Racist Rabbi!" and everyone in the vicinity proceeds to throw garbage at him. Finally, the moment these ardent White Aryans have all waited for has arrived. The Rabbi runs out onto the arena floor from among the Marching Jews, proceeds to the center of the Nuremberg Stadium, and dances the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews play on and march into an intricately choreographed maneuver that they all brag about and take special pride in that culminates with the band being organized into a swastika. So the Rabbi continues to dance the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews form themselves into a swastika. By now all 75,000 White Aryans are hysterical, shouting, screaming and yelling: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi." This semi-religious spectacle that the Nazis are well known for staging, especially at the Nuremberg stadium, goes on for a good twenty minutes. It all concludes with everyone joining hands to sing "Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles," with the Rabbi leading all 75,000 White Aryans in the song. Then the Rabbi proceeds to dance the Hava Nagila out of the stadium followed by the Marching Jews. Everyone goes wild, clapping and cheering. This Rabbi ceremony brings tears to the eyes of many drunken alumni and students who had started several hours beforehand getting inebriated on schnapps and good German beer at pre-game tailgate parties. When it is all over, a visiting law professor from another country asks his host at the soccer match what this spectacle was all about. Without missing a beat the former Dean Mengele of the Law School turns to his guest and says:"We are honoring the Jews." Whom the Nazis had just exterminated 60 years ago, so of course the memory of the Jews needs to be honored by this spectacle. The Illiniwek Indians were ethnically cleansed out of Illinois about a century before that. These are the real "Little Eichmans." Be sure to "boo!" and root against the Illiniwaks. Historically, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, its Boards of Trustees, its Presidents, its Chancellors, its Provosts, its Deans, Directors and Department Heads, and most of its Faculty and Alumni/ae have always been the Ku Klux Klan dressed up in Caps and Gowns instead of Hoods and Sheets. [Francis A. Boyle is Professor of Law at the University of Illinois.] * ================================================================= .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org . List Archives: https://blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ . Subscribe: https://blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Wise should have been fired earlier Martell Miller and I requested that the University of Illinois Board of Trustees not renew Urbana Chancellor Phyllis Wise's employment contract for numerous reasons. For example, enrollment of African-American students under her watch severely declined, and conditions of the African-American Cultural Center were deplorable and life-threatening. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 18 03:30:29 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 03:30:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Wise should have been fired earlier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wise {sic!} is just another Fired and Disgraced University of Illiniwaks Chancellor/President/Provost. I have lost count of them all. They are as corrupt as the Sports Programs. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:04 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: Wise should have been fired earlier The Die-Hard Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigot and Racist Wise {sic!} destroyed the career of Salaita for $800, 000 in taxpayer’s money. No skin off her nose! Mission Accomplished! Good Riddance! Fab. Professor of Law University of Illiniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:51 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Wise should have been fired earlier Ditto for Wise {sic!} illegally firing Palestinian American Professor Salaita on the pretextual grounds of “civility,” destroying our Native American Studies Program in the process. Wise’s {sic} two’fer for Bigotry and Racism. Just a Gang of Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigots and Racists behind that, including Wise {sic!}. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Professor of Law, University of Iliniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! And racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) From: dorinda moreno [mailto:fuerzamundial at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:01 PM To: Los Angeles Subject: The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 please support this with action at the rose bowl, and forward widely. thanks, dm -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com Subject: FW: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: ' AALSMIN-L at lists.ubalt.edu' Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 -----Original Message----- From: All the News That Doesn't Fit [ mailto:nytr at blythe-systems.com] To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit [Imagine that on game days everything remains exactly the same except that the Rabbi itself has since been "retired" from "performing" at half-times.-fab] The Racist Mascot from Urbana-Champaign: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois By FRANCIS BOYLE The self-styled "Fighting Illini" of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign are on their way to the Jan. 1, 2008 Rose Bowl with their racist and genocidal mascot and symbol Chief Illiniwak still in tow. Although the NCAA forced the University of Illiniwaks to prevent this Little Red Sambo from desecrating at half-times everything American Indians hold dear and treasure, nevertheless Chief Illiniwak still remains the officially designated "honored symbol" of the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. Just recently the University of Illiniwaks resurrected Chief Illiniwak for the Fall 2007 Homecoming in order to better milk their Alumni/ae as part of their newly launched Capital Campaign, thus definitively proving their craven racism. In his "Year 501: The Conquest Continues" (1993) Noam Chomsky suggests an apt metaphor for such American Indian sports mascots and symbols that I will elaborate upon here in order to conform to our local and most peculiar rites on this campus: Suppose the Nazis had won the Second World War. Sixty years later, a prestigious German state university has a mascot for all of its sports teams and sports fans by the name of "The Rabbi." Basically what happens is that a student from the Hitler Youth League dresses up in an authentic costume for an Hasidic Rabbi, complete with the curl-locks and beard. The University itself collectively call themselves "The Fighting Jews", and the school's band is called "The Marching Jews." The student newspaper is called "The Daily Jew." All the sports fans in town wear jackets and t-shirts with pictures of The Rabbi prominently displayed on them. And most cars have Rabbi stickers planted all over them. Three years ago the University's Board of Trustees ran out of town on a rail a courageous and principled Chancellor who had the temerity to publicly suggest that the time had now come to "retire" the Rabbi. So of course there was a heated campaign on among the students and alumni to "Save the Rabbi!" This German state university plays its soccer matches over at the Nuremberg Stadium in front of an audience of about 75,000 White Aryans , almost all of whom are wearing pro-Rabbi images and clothes. At half-time the Marching Jews take to the stadium floor and begin playing what they purport to be Jewish sounding music along the lines of Fiddler-on-the-Roof. Then all 75,000 White Aryans rise as one and shout in unison: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi" gesticulating wildly and working themselves up into a feeding frenzy. One lone faculty member sits there in protest shouting "Racist Rabbi!" and everyone in the vicinity proceeds to throw garbage at him. Finally, the moment these ardent White Aryans have all waited for has arrived. The Rabbi runs out onto the arena floor from among the Marching Jews, proceeds to the center of the Nuremberg Stadium, and dances the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews play on and march into an intricately choreographed maneuver that they all brag about and take special pride in that culminates with the band being organized into a swastika. So the Rabbi continues to dance the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews form themselves into a swastika. By now all 75,000 White Aryans are hysterical, shouting, screaming and yelling: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi." This semi-religious spectacle that the Nazis are well known for staging, especially at the Nuremberg stadium, goes on for a good twenty minutes. It all concludes with everyone joining hands to sing "Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles," with the Rabbi leading all 75,000 White Aryans in the song. Then the Rabbi proceeds to dance the Hava Nagila out of the stadium followed by the Marching Jews. Everyone goes wild, clapping and cheering. This Rabbi ceremony brings tears to the eyes of many drunken alumni and students who had started several hours beforehand getting inebriated on schnapps and good German beer at pre-game tailgate parties. When it is all over, a visiting law professor from another country asks his host at the soccer match what this spectacle was all about. Without missing a beat the former Dean Mengele of the Law School turns to his guest and says:"We are honoring the Jews." Whom the Nazis had just exterminated 60 years ago, so of course the memory of the Jews needs to be honored by this spectacle. The Illiniwek Indians were ethnically cleansed out of Illinois about a century before that. These are the real "Little Eichmans." Be sure to "boo!" and root against the Illiniwaks. Historically, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, its Boards of Trustees, its Presidents, its Chancellors, its Provosts, its Deans, Directors and Department Heads, and most of its Faculty and Alumni/ae have always been the Ku Klux Klan dressed up in Caps and Gowns instead of Hoods and Sheets. [Francis A. Boyle is Professor of Law at the University of Illinois.] * ================================================================= .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org . List Archives: https://blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ . Subscribe: https://blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Wise should have been fired earlier Martell Miller and I requested that the University of Illinois Board of Trustees not renew Urbana Chancellor Phyllis Wise's employment contract for numerous reasons. For example, enrollment of African-American students under her watch severely declined, and conditions of the African-American Cultural Center were deplorable and life-threatening. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 18 12:55:59 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:55:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Wise should have been fired earlier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And I whole-heartedly agree with what Terry Townsend is saying here about Wise {sic!}. Chicago has one of the largest, most prominent, most powerful, most creative, most cultured African American Communities in the Country. Why is the University of Illiniwaks not educating their Children? Because of the Illiniwaks’ longstanding Bigotry and Racism against African Americans. Just like the Illiniwaks’ Die-Hard Bigotry and Racism against Muslims/Arabs of Color, including and especially Wise {sic!}. Just like the Illiniwaks’ Longstanding Bigotry and Racism against American Indians. Good riddance to Wise {sic!}! She threw Salaita, his Wife and their Baby out into the street. She is a Cruel and Nasty and Pathetic excuse for a human being. But what goes around comes around! Let Wise {sic!} have Karma! Fab. Native Chicagoan Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:30 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: Wise should have been fired earlier Wise {sic!} is just another Fired and Disgraced University of Illiniwaks Chancellor/President/Provost. I have lost count of them all. They are as corrupt as the Sports Programs. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:04 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: Wise should have been fired earlier The Die-Hard Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigot and Racist Wise {sic!} destroyed the career of Salaita for $800, 000 in taxpayer’s money. No skin off her nose! Mission Accomplished! Good Riddance! Fab. Professor of Law University of Illiniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:51 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Wise should have been fired earlier Ditto for Wise {sic!} illegally firing Palestinian American Professor Salaita on the pretextual grounds of “civility,” destroying our Native American Studies Program in the process. Wise’s {sic} two’fer for Bigotry and Racism. Just a Gang of Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigots and Racists behind that, including Wise {sic!}. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Professor of Law, University of Iliniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! And racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) From: dorinda moreno [mailto:fuerzamundial at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:01 PM To: Los Angeles Subject: The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 please support this with action at the rose bowl, and forward widely. thanks, dm -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com Subject: FW: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: ' AALSMIN-L at lists.ubalt.edu' Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 -----Original Message----- From: All the News That Doesn't Fit [ mailto:nytr at blythe-systems.com] To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit [Imagine that on game days everything remains exactly the same except that the Rabbi itself has since been "retired" from "performing" at half-times.-fab] The Racist Mascot from Urbana-Champaign: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois By FRANCIS BOYLE The self-styled "Fighting Illini" of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign are on their way to the Jan. 1, 2008 Rose Bowl with their racist and genocidal mascot and symbol Chief Illiniwak still in tow. Although the NCAA forced the University of Illiniwaks to prevent this Little Red Sambo from desecrating at half-times everything American Indians hold dear and treasure, nevertheless Chief Illiniwak still remains the officially designated "honored symbol" of the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. Just recently the University of Illiniwaks resurrected Chief Illiniwak for the Fall 2007 Homecoming in order to better milk their Alumni/ae as part of their newly launched Capital Campaign, thus definitively proving their craven racism. In his "Year 501: The Conquest Continues" (1993) Noam Chomsky suggests an apt metaphor for such American Indian sports mascots and symbols that I will elaborate upon here in order to conform to our local and most peculiar rites on this campus: Suppose the Nazis had won the Second World War. Sixty years later, a prestigious German state university has a mascot for all of its sports teams and sports fans by the name of "The Rabbi." Basically what happens is that a student from the Hitler Youth League dresses up in an authentic costume for an Hasidic Rabbi, complete with the curl-locks and beard. The University itself collectively call themselves "The Fighting Jews", and the school's band is called "The Marching Jews." The student newspaper is called "The Daily Jew." All the sports fans in town wear jackets and t-shirts with pictures of The Rabbi prominently displayed on them. And most cars have Rabbi stickers planted all over them. Three years ago the University's Board of Trustees ran out of town on a rail a courageous and principled Chancellor who had the temerity to publicly suggest that the time had now come to "retire" the Rabbi. So of course there was a heated campaign on among the students and alumni to "Save the Rabbi!" This German state university plays its soccer matches over at the Nuremberg Stadium in front of an audience of about 75,000 White Aryans , almost all of whom are wearing pro-Rabbi images and clothes. At half-time the Marching Jews take to the stadium floor and begin playing what they purport to be Jewish sounding music along the lines of Fiddler-on-the-Roof. Then all 75,000 White Aryans rise as one and shout in unison: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi" gesticulating wildly and working themselves up into a feeding frenzy. One lone faculty member sits there in protest shouting "Racist Rabbi!" and everyone in the vicinity proceeds to throw garbage at him. Finally, the moment these ardent White Aryans have all waited for has arrived. The Rabbi runs out onto the arena floor from among the Marching Jews, proceeds to the center of the Nuremberg Stadium, and dances the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews play on and march into an intricately choreographed maneuver that they all brag about and take special pride in that culminates with the band being organized into a swastika. So the Rabbi continues to dance the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews form themselves into a swastika. By now all 75,000 White Aryans are hysterical, shouting, screaming and yelling: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi." This semi-religious spectacle that the Nazis are well known for staging, especially at the Nuremberg stadium, goes on for a good twenty minutes. It all concludes with everyone joining hands to sing "Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles," with the Rabbi leading all 75,000 White Aryans in the song. Then the Rabbi proceeds to dance the Hava Nagila out of the stadium followed by the Marching Jews. Everyone goes wild, clapping and cheering. This Rabbi ceremony brings tears to the eyes of many drunken alumni and students who had started several hours beforehand getting inebriated on schnapps and good German beer at pre-game tailgate parties. When it is all over, a visiting law professor from another country asks his host at the soccer match what this spectacle was all about. Without missing a beat the former Dean Mengele of the Law School turns to his guest and says:"We are honoring the Jews." Whom the Nazis had just exterminated 60 years ago, so of course the memory of the Jews needs to be honored by this spectacle. The Illiniwek Indians were ethnically cleansed out of Illinois about a century before that. These are the real "Little Eichmans." Be sure to "boo!" and root against the Illiniwaks. Historically, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, its Boards of Trustees, its Presidents, its Chancellors, its Provosts, its Deans, Directors and Department Heads, and most of its Faculty and Alumni/ae have always been the Ku Klux Klan dressed up in Caps and Gowns instead of Hoods and Sheets. [Francis A. Boyle is Professor of Law at the University of Illinois.] * ================================================================= .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org . List Archives: https://blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ . Subscribe: https://blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Wise should have been fired earlier Martell Miller and I requested that the University of Illinois Board of Trustees not renew Urbana Chancellor Phyllis Wise's employment contract for numerous reasons. For example, enrollment of African-American students under her watch severely declined, and conditions of the African-American Cultural Center were deplorable and life-threatening. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 18 19:17:52 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:17:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Wise should have been fired earlier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wise {sic!} is a Mean, Nasty, Vicious, Cruel person for having thrown the Salaita Family out into the street with no means of support. Let Karma be her fate! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:56 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: Wise should have been fired earlier And I whole-heartedly agree with what Terry Townsend is saying here about Wise {sic!}. Chicago has one of the largest, most prominent, most powerful, most creative, most cultured African American Communities in the Country. Why is the University of Illiniwaks not educating their Children? Because of the Illiniwaks’ longstanding Bigotry and Racism against African Americans. Just like the Illiniwaks’ Die-Hard Bigotry and Racism against Muslims/Arabs of Color, including and especially Wise {sic!}. Just like the Illiniwaks’ Longstanding Bigotry and Racism against American Indians. Good riddance to Wise {sic!}! She threw Salaita, his Wife and their Baby out into the street. She is a Cruel and Nasty and Pathetic excuse for a human being. But what goes around comes around! Let Wise {sic!} have Karma! Fab. Native Chicagoan Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:30 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: Wise should have been fired earlier Wise {sic!} is just another Fired and Disgraced University of Illiniwaks Chancellor/President/Provost. I have lost count of them all. They are as corrupt as the Sports Programs. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:04 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: Wise should have been fired earlier The Die-Hard Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigot and Racist Wise {sic!} destroyed the career of Salaita for $800, 000 in taxpayer’s money. No skin off her nose! Mission Accomplished! Good Riddance! Fab. Professor of Law University of Illiniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:51 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Wise should have been fired earlier Ditto for Wise {sic!} illegally firing Palestinian American Professor Salaita on the pretextual grounds of “civility,” destroying our Native American Studies Program in the process. Wise’s {sic} two’fer for Bigotry and Racism. Just a Gang of Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigots and Racists behind that, including Wise {sic!}. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Professor of Law, University of Iliniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! And racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) From: dorinda moreno [mailto:fuerzamundial at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:01 PM To: Los Angeles Subject: The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 please support this with action at the rose bowl, and forward widely. thanks, dm -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com Subject: FW: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: ' AALSMIN-L at lists.ubalt.edu' Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 -----Original Message----- From: All the News That Doesn't Fit [ mailto:nytr at blythe-systems.com] To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit [Imagine that on game days everything remains exactly the same except that the Rabbi itself has since been "retired" from "performing" at half-times.-fab] The Racist Mascot from Urbana-Champaign: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois By FRANCIS BOYLE The self-styled "Fighting Illini" of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign are on their way to the Jan. 1, 2008 Rose Bowl with their racist and genocidal mascot and symbol Chief Illiniwak still in tow. Although the NCAA forced the University of Illiniwaks to prevent this Little Red Sambo from desecrating at half-times everything American Indians hold dear and treasure, nevertheless Chief Illiniwak still remains the officially designated "honored symbol" of the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. Just recently the University of Illiniwaks resurrected Chief Illiniwak for the Fall 2007 Homecoming in order to better milk their Alumni/ae as part of their newly launched Capital Campaign, thus definitively proving their craven racism. In his "Year 501: The Conquest Continues" (1993) Noam Chomsky suggests an apt metaphor for such American Indian sports mascots and symbols that I will elaborate upon here in order to conform to our local and most peculiar rites on this campus: Suppose the Nazis had won the Second World War. Sixty years later, a prestigious German state university has a mascot for all of its sports teams and sports fans by the name of "The Rabbi." Basically what happens is that a student from the Hitler Youth League dresses up in an authentic costume for an Hasidic Rabbi, complete with the curl-locks and beard. The University itself collectively call themselves "The Fighting Jews", and the school's band is called "The Marching Jews." The student newspaper is called "The Daily Jew." All the sports fans in town wear jackets and t-shirts with pictures of The Rabbi prominently displayed on them. And most cars have Rabbi stickers planted all over them. Three years ago the University's Board of Trustees ran out of town on a rail a courageous and principled Chancellor who had the temerity to publicly suggest that the time had now come to "retire" the Rabbi. So of course there was a heated campaign on among the students and alumni to "Save the Rabbi!" This German state university plays its soccer matches over at the Nuremberg Stadium in front of an audience of about 75,000 White Aryans , almost all of whom are wearing pro-Rabbi images and clothes. At half-time the Marching Jews take to the stadium floor and begin playing what they purport to be Jewish sounding music along the lines of Fiddler-on-the-Roof. Then all 75,000 White Aryans rise as one and shout in unison: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi" gesticulating wildly and working themselves up into a feeding frenzy. One lone faculty member sits there in protest shouting "Racist Rabbi!" and everyone in the vicinity proceeds to throw garbage at him. Finally, the moment these ardent White Aryans have all waited for has arrived. The Rabbi runs out onto the arena floor from among the Marching Jews, proceeds to the center of the Nuremberg Stadium, and dances the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews play on and march into an intricately choreographed maneuver that they all brag about and take special pride in that culminates with the band being organized into a swastika. So the Rabbi continues to dance the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews form themselves into a swastika. By now all 75,000 White Aryans are hysterical, shouting, screaming and yelling: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi." This semi-religious spectacle that the Nazis are well known for staging, especially at the Nuremberg stadium, goes on for a good twenty minutes. It all concludes with everyone joining hands to sing "Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles," with the Rabbi leading all 75,000 White Aryans in the song. Then the Rabbi proceeds to dance the Hava Nagila out of the stadium followed by the Marching Jews. Everyone goes wild, clapping and cheering. This Rabbi ceremony brings tears to the eyes of many drunken alumni and students who had started several hours beforehand getting inebriated on schnapps and good German beer at pre-game tailgate parties. When it is all over, a visiting law professor from another country asks his host at the soccer match what this spectacle was all about. Without missing a beat the former Dean Mengele of the Law School turns to his guest and says:"We are honoring the Jews." Whom the Nazis had just exterminated 60 years ago, so of course the memory of the Jews needs to be honored by this spectacle. The Illiniwek Indians were ethnically cleansed out of Illinois about a century before that. These are the real "Little Eichmans." Be sure to "boo!" and root against the Illiniwaks. Historically, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, its Boards of Trustees, its Presidents, its Chancellors, its Provosts, its Deans, Directors and Department Heads, and most of its Faculty and Alumni/ae have always been the Ku Klux Klan dressed up in Caps and Gowns instead of Hoods and Sheets. [Francis A. Boyle is Professor of Law at the University of Illinois.] * ================================================================= .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org . List Archives: https://blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ . Subscribe: https://blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Wise should have been fired earlier Martell Miller and I requested that the University of Illinois Board of Trustees not renew Urbana Chancellor Phyllis Wise's employment contract for numerous reasons. For example, enrollment of African-American students under her watch severely declined, and conditions of the African-American Cultural Center were deplorable and life-threatening. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jan 18 19:48:59 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 19:48:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Wise should have been fired earlier References: Message-ID: WISE {SIC!} IS A SICK PUPPY! FAB. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 1:18 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: Wise should have been fired earlier Wise {sic!} is a Mean, Nasty, Vicious, Cruel person for having thrown the Salaita Family out into the street with no means of support. Let Karma be her fate! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:56 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: Wise should have been fired earlier And I whole-heartedly agree with what Terry Townsend is saying here about Wise {sic!}. Chicago has one of the largest, most prominent, most powerful, most creative, most cultured African American Communities in the Country. Why is the University of Illiniwaks not educating their Children? Because of the Illiniwaks’ longstanding Bigotry and Racism against African Americans. Just like the Illiniwaks’ Die-Hard Bigotry and Racism against Muslims/Arabs of Color, including and especially Wise {sic!}. Just like the Illiniwaks’ Longstanding Bigotry and Racism against American Indians. Good riddance to Wise {sic!}! She threw Salaita, his Wife and their Baby out into the street. She is a Cruel and Nasty and Pathetic excuse for a human being. But what goes around comes around! Let Wise {sic!} have Karma! Fab. Native Chicagoan Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:30 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: Wise should have been fired earlier Wise {sic!} is just another Fired and Disgraced University of Illiniwaks Chancellor/President/Provost. I have lost count of them all. They are as corrupt as the Sports Programs. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:04 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: Wise should have been fired earlier The Die-Hard Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigot and Racist Wise {sic!} destroyed the career of Salaita for $800, 000 in taxpayer’s money. No skin off her nose! Mission Accomplished! Good Riddance! Fab. Professor of Law University of Illiniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 8:51 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Wise should have been fired earlier Ditto for Wise {sic!} illegally firing Palestinian American Professor Salaita on the pretextual grounds of “civility,” destroying our Native American Studies Program in the process. Wise’s {sic} two’fer for Bigotry and Racism. Just a Gang of Anti-Palestinian/Indian Bigots and Racists behind that, including Wise {sic!}. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Professor of Law, University of Iliniwaks: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illiniwaks The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illiniwaks: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all! The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! And racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Anthro 101 A required course To get our degrees From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) From: dorinda moreno [mailto:fuerzamundial at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 4:01 PM To: Los Angeles Subject: The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 please support this with action at the rose bowl, and forward widely. thanks, dm -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com Subject: FW: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) fboyle at law.uiuc.edu (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:05 PM To: ' AALSMIN-L at lists.ubalt.edu' Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1, 2008 -----Original Message----- From: All the News That Doesn't Fit [ mailto:nytr at blythe-systems.com] To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [NYTr] The Racist Mascot: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit [Imagine that on game days everything remains exactly the same except that the Rabbi itself has since been "retired" from "performing" at half-times.-fab] The Racist Mascot from Urbana-Champaign: Why You Should Still Boo Illinois By FRANCIS BOYLE The self-styled "Fighting Illini" of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign are on their way to the Jan. 1, 2008 Rose Bowl with their racist and genocidal mascot and symbol Chief Illiniwak still in tow. Although the NCAA forced the University of Illiniwaks to prevent this Little Red Sambo from desecrating at half-times everything American Indians hold dear and treasure, nevertheless Chief Illiniwak still remains the officially designated "honored symbol" of the University of Illiniwaks at Urbana-Champaign. Just recently the University of Illiniwaks resurrected Chief Illiniwak for the Fall 2007 Homecoming in order to better milk their Alumni/ae as part of their newly launched Capital Campaign, thus definitively proving their craven racism. In his "Year 501: The Conquest Continues" (1993) Noam Chomsky suggests an apt metaphor for such American Indian sports mascots and symbols that I will elaborate upon here in order to conform to our local and most peculiar rites on this campus: Suppose the Nazis had won the Second World War. Sixty years later, a prestigious German state university has a mascot for all of its sports teams and sports fans by the name of "The Rabbi." Basically what happens is that a student from the Hitler Youth League dresses up in an authentic costume for an Hasidic Rabbi, complete with the curl-locks and beard. The University itself collectively call themselves "The Fighting Jews", and the school's band is called "The Marching Jews." The student newspaper is called "The Daily Jew." All the sports fans in town wear jackets and t-shirts with pictures of The Rabbi prominently displayed on them. And most cars have Rabbi stickers planted all over them. Three years ago the University's Board of Trustees ran out of town on a rail a courageous and principled Chancellor who had the temerity to publicly suggest that the time had now come to "retire" the Rabbi. So of course there was a heated campaign on among the students and alumni to "Save the Rabbi!" This German state university plays its soccer matches over at the Nuremberg Stadium in front of an audience of about 75,000 White Aryans , almost all of whom are wearing pro-Rabbi images and clothes. At half-time the Marching Jews take to the stadium floor and begin playing what they purport to be Jewish sounding music along the lines of Fiddler-on-the-Roof. Then all 75,000 White Aryans rise as one and shout in unison: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi" gesticulating wildly and working themselves up into a feeding frenzy. One lone faculty member sits there in protest shouting "Racist Rabbi!" and everyone in the vicinity proceeds to throw garbage at him. Finally, the moment these ardent White Aryans have all waited for has arrived. The Rabbi runs out onto the arena floor from among the Marching Jews, proceeds to the center of the Nuremberg Stadium, and dances the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews play on and march into an intricately choreographed maneuver that they all brag about and take special pride in that culminates with the band being organized into a swastika. So the Rabbi continues to dance the Hava Nagila while the Marching Jews form themselves into a swastika. By now all 75,000 White Aryans are hysterical, shouting, screaming and yelling: "Rabbi, Rabbi, Rabbi." This semi-religious spectacle that the Nazis are well known for staging, especially at the Nuremberg stadium, goes on for a good twenty minutes. It all concludes with everyone joining hands to sing "Deutschland, Deutschland Uber Alles," with the Rabbi leading all 75,000 White Aryans in the song. Then the Rabbi proceeds to dance the Hava Nagila out of the stadium followed by the Marching Jews. Everyone goes wild, clapping and cheering. This Rabbi ceremony brings tears to the eyes of many drunken alumni and students who had started several hours beforehand getting inebriated on schnapps and good German beer at pre-game tailgate parties. When it is all over, a visiting law professor from another country asks his host at the soccer match what this spectacle was all about. Without missing a beat the former Dean Mengele of the Law School turns to his guest and says:"We are honoring the Jews." Whom the Nazis had just exterminated 60 years ago, so of course the memory of the Jews needs to be honored by this spectacle. The Illiniwek Indians were ethnically cleansed out of Illinois about a century before that. These are the real "Little Eichmans." Be sure to "boo!" and root against the Illiniwaks. Historically, the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, its Boards of Trustees, its Presidents, its Chancellors, its Provosts, its Deans, Directors and Department Heads, and most of its Faculty and Alumni/ae have always been the Ku Klux Klan dressed up in Caps and Gowns instead of Hoods and Sheets. [Francis A. Boyle is Professor of Law at the University of Illinois.] * ================================================================= .NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems . Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us . .339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org . List Archives: https://blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ . Subscribe: https://blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Wise should have been fired earlier Martell Miller and I requested that the University of Illinois Board of Trustees not renew Urbana Chancellor Phyllis Wise's employment contract for numerous reasons. For example, enrollment of African-American students under her watch severely declined, and conditions of the African-American Cultural Center were deplorable and life-threatening. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cge at shout.net Thu Jan 19 16:34:59 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:34:59 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Women's March Message-ID: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. And more Marian than I'd realized til I read this." https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/standing-mary-foot-cross --CGE From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jan 19 19:24:49 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:24:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> Message-ID: Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to if they support women. What is meant by support? Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. Human Rights Watch NYC. > On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > > A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, > > "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. And more Marian than I'd realized til I read this." > > https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/standing-mary-foot-cross > > --CGE > _______________________________________________ > Prairiegreens mailing list > Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens > http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ From cge at shout.net Thu Jan 19 20:12:44 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:12:44 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] "The Green News Network Presents: Inaurgate the Resistance" In-Reply-To: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> Message-ID: It's disturbing that Stein doesn't mention neoconservatism - the mainstay of the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration - along with "both neoliberalism and neofascism." Trump's critique of US war policy - from Iraq to Syria and E. Europe - may be the most important part of his campaign, and his administration. --CGE ============================================================ Image reads: The Green News Network Presents: Inaugurate the Resistance. 10 a.m. - 5 p.m. ET January 21, 207 facebook.com/drjillstein Tomorrow, we will we will join thousands of people and organizations from around the country to Occupy the Inauguration and continue the resistance to both neoliberalism and neofascism. The Green Party is committed to building political power through protest, resistance and elections to win the political revolution we so desperately need, and so richly deserve. The resistance will continue until we live in a nation and a world that puts people, planet and peace over profit. Will you join me in DC? Fri 9:30am est: Occupy the Inauguration at Malcolm X Park, located 2400 15th St NW, Washington, DC 20009 Sat 5:30pm-7:30pm est: "Inaugurate the Resistance" at Alma’s Temple, located at 1315 K St NW, Washington, DC 20005. In the spirit of cross-movement unity, the event is co-hosted by Socialist Alternative and The Green Party. Confirmed speakers are Jill Stein, Kshama Sawant, Chris Hedges, Chase Iron Eyes, and Tim Canova. Seating is limited, and we expect it to sell out. So please order your tickets online now at http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/2797792 Not going to be in DC? That’s OK - we will be broadcasting live throughout the weekend on The Green News Network! Friday afternoon, immediately following Donald Trump’s inauguration speech, Jill Stein and Seattle City Council member Kshama ​Sawant will deliver "The People's Response” And on Saturday from 10am-5pm Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka and David Cobb will co-host “Inaugurate the Resistance,” a 7-hour teach-in and forum, bringing you voices of resistance. Tune in LIVE on The Green News Network. We need your help - mobilize and organize at home! RSVP here for Saturday’s Inaugurate the Resistance!. Invite your friends on Facebook by clicking the invite button on the page Share it on your personal page Share it into the Facebook page of all of your sister organizations so we can continue to unite the social movements in struggle and resistance. Email the event page to your contacts. Gather your friends to get inspired AND informed as radical social movement leaders discuss what lies ahead under a Trump presidency and what we can collectively do to resist. Thank you for supporting our campaign and the Green Party as we struggle against corporate rule to put people, planet and peace over profit. It’s in our hands, Jill Stein Jill Stein HQ http://www.jill2016.com/ PS: For more information about how else you can get involved, please visit http://www.jill2016.com/postelection -=-=- Jill Stein for President · PO Box 260197, Madison, WI 53726, United States This email was sent to galliher at illinois.edu. To stop receiving emails, click here. -=-=- Created with NationBuilder, software for leaders. From cge at shout.net Thu Jan 19 20:29:31 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:29:31 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Tomorrow, the resistance continues In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> Message-ID: It's disturbing that Stein doesn't mention neoconservatism - the mainstay of the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration - when she speaks of "resistance to both neoliberalism AND neofascism." Trump's critique of US war policy - from Iraq to Syria and eastern Europe - may be the most important part of his campaign, and of his administration. --CGE -------- Original Message -------- > > Tomorrow, we will we will join thousands of people and organizations > from around the country to Occupy the Inauguration [1]and continue > the resistance to both neoliberalism AND neofascism. The Green Party > is committed to building political power through protest, resistance > and elections to win the political revolution we so desperately need, > and so richly deserve. > > The resistance will continue until we live in a nation and a world > that puts people, planet and peace over profit. > > Will you join me in DC? > > FRI 9:30AM EST: OCCUPY THE INAUGURATION [2]AT MALCOLM X PARK, located > 2400 15th St NW, Washington, DC 20009 > > Sat 5:30pm-7:30pm est: > "Inaugurate the Resistance" [3] at Alma’s TeMPLE, located at 1315 K > St NW, Washington, DC 20005. > > _In the spirit of cross-movement unity, the event is co-hosted by > __Socialist Alternative _ [4]_and __The Green Party_ [5]. Confirmed > speakers are Jill Stein, Kshama Sawant, Chris Hedges, Chase Iron Eyes, > and Tim Canova. > _Seating is limited, and we expect it to sell out. So please order > your tickets online now at _ > _http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/2797792_ [6] > > ------------------------- > > Not going to be in DC? > That’s OK - we will be broadcasting live throughout the weekend on > The Green News Network [7]! > > Friday afternoon, immediately following Donald Trump’s inauguration > speech, Jill Stein and Seattle City Council member Kshama ​Sawant > will deliver "The People's Response” > > And on Saturday from 10am-5pm Jill Stein, Ajamu Baraka and David Cobb > will co-host “Inaugurate the Resistance,” a 7-hour teach-in and > forum, bringing you voices of resistance. > Tune in LIVE on The Green News Network. [8] > > ------------------------- > > Gather your friends to get inspired AND informed as radical social > movement leaders discuss what lies ahead under a Trump presidency and > what we can collectively do to resist. > > ------------------------- > > Thank you for supporting our campaign and the Green Party as we > struggle against corporate rule to put people, planet and peace over > profit. > It’s in our hands, > Jill Stein > Jill Stein HQ > MAILSCANNER HAS DETECTED A POSSIBLE FRAUD ATTEMPT FROM > "URLDEFENSE.PROOFPOINT.COM" CLAIMING TO BE http://www.jill2016.com/ > > PS: For more information about how else you can get involved, please > visit > http://www.jill2016.com/postelection [12] > > -=-=- > > Jill Stein for President · PO Box 260197, Madison, WI 53726, United > States From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 19 20:29:10 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Submission to N-G References: <282303420.1121366.1484857750070.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <282303420.1121366.1484857750070@mail.yahoo.com> This piece observes the 500-word limits of the "Sunday Extra" format. Why Trump Won David Green Donald Trump’s victory can be attributed to three types ofsupporters: genuine haters; traditional conservative Republicans; and workingclass voters who have been hammered by neoliberal policies of the past fourdecades. The first is the smallest, and the latter is large enough to havegiven the election to Bernie Sanders, for whom many would have voted in the crucialRust Belt states lost by Hillary Clinton. Neoliberal policies since the 1970s—“free trade”, outsourcing,immigration, busted unions, and stagnant wages; governmental austerity for thepoor and lower taxes for the rich; Wall Street investment for the rich and debtfor the rest—have combined to transfer a significant amount of yearly nationalincome from the bottom 50% to the top 1%. A recently-published data set byrespected economists Thomas Piketty, Emmanuel Saez, and Gabriel Zucman confirmsthe perceptions of those who feel that professional elites, whether Democrat orRepublican, have had the “meritocratic” game rigged in their favor. These methodologically-sound and compelling data show thatfrom 1980 to 2014, the bottom 50% of individuals lost an aggregate 5% share ofnational post-tax disposable income, while the top 1% gained a similar amount.In terms of 2014 dollars, the combined effect of those policies mentioned abovehas been the transfer $573 billion of yearly income. In individual terms, this means that in 2014, 117 millionearners over age 18 were left with an average of nearly $5,000 less indisposable income than each would have had if her share of national income hadremained constant since 1980. In effect, every 50 of these bottom 50 percenterswas forced to collectively transfer $250,000 to one individual in the top 1percent, a group comprised of 2.3 million adults over 18 (average age 56; 85%men). The result of this transfer is an average of $17,700 inpost-tax disposable 2014 income for the bottom 50%, $830,000 for the top 1%.Whereas the average one percenter made 26 times the average 50 percenter in1980, that factor was 47 in 2014. The past two years signal no new trend. These data show that incomes of the one percent areincreasingly comprised of capital income, return on investments. Half theincomes of the one percent, and 2/3 of the .1 percent, are comprised of such“earnings”. The bottom 50% has no financial wealth to speak of, and arelatively paltry amount of housing wealth that is matched by indebtedness ofvarious kinds, exacerbated by marginalized employment and stagnant wages,healthcare-for-profit, and higher education for debt. During the presidential campaign, Donald Trump violated someof the sacred tenets of neoliberalism, especially regarding “free trade”. Thushe was disowned by the political establishment, and even the editors of the News-Gazette. While his promises will surelyprove hollow, that was no reason for swing voters—including white women—to turnto Clinton, whose condescending attitude to the bottom 50% was rightfullyperceived as authentic, unlike everything else about her except herwarmongering.   -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jan 19 20:44:08 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:44:08 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> Message-ID: <2DD6B7F3-B65E-4069-B8C6-6BDD80A600B4@illinois.edu> My friend and the author of the piece (both women) are both catholic (as well as Catholic) in their concerns. They’re against ‘anything that kills people or destroys the planet.’ I suppose our job is to remind people what those things are. —CGE > On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to if they support women. > What is meant by support? > Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. > Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. > > Human Rights Watch NYC. > > >> On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, >> >> "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. And more Marian than I'd realized til I read this." >> >> https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/standing-mary-foot-cross >> >> --CGE >> _______________________________________________ >> Prairiegreens mailing list >> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jan 19 21:59:00 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:59:00 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: <2DD6B7F3-B65E-4069-B8C6-6BDD80A600B4@illinois.edu> References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <2DD6B7F3-B65E-4069-B8C6-6BDD80A600B4@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Good, then while there, hopefully they’ll enlighten others to what should be focused on in respect to “women rights and concerns.” This is the time, and the opportunity to do so. On Jan 19, 2017, at 12:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My friend and the author of the piece (both women) are both catholic (as well as Catholic) in their concerns. They’re against ‘anything that kills people or destroys the planet.’ I suppose our job is to remind people what those things are. —CGE On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to if they support women. What is meant by support? Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. Human Rights Watch NYC. On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. And more Marian than I'd realized til I read this." https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/standing-mary-foot-cross --CGE _______________________________________________ Prairiegreens mailing list Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 18:36:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Six Things We Should Do Better As Everything Gets Worse References: <588156faa5982_2afc5da54082341e@ip-10-0-0-61.mail> Message-ID: <85923AD1-83AD-4A4F-A55D-31BE872DD11F@illinois.edu> > Six Things We Should Do Better As Everything Gets Worse > > By David Swanson > http://davidswanson.org/node/5416 > > Here I am in occupied DC. The White House looks like a Green Zone. There was a time when you could walk up to it. Caravans of police cars and black SUVs zoom by with sirens blaring and everyone else forced aside. Do people look outraged? No, they grin and admire. We need more democratic perspectives. Here are six. > > 1. Get active around policy not personality. And try to nudge newly active or re-activated people in that direction. To take one example of thousands, we should be cheering more loudly for the commutation of Chelsea Manning's sentence. And we should have raised a lot more hell than we did over the idea of locking her up to begin with -- and Obama's pronouncing her guilty before his subordinates tried her -- and over all the other whistleblowers still in cages or facing persecution. More support for not bombing Syria in 2013, and more condemnation for arming proxies instead. More -- hell, any -- support for Trump deescalating hostility with Russia, and more opposition to his proposals to "kill their families" and "steal their oil." > > 2. Recognize that the crisis is not new. It's just ever more urgent, with environmental or nuclear apocalypse threatening. Obama increased military spending, dropped more bombs on Iraq than Bush did, still occupies Afghanistan, is now helping to destroy Mosul, and radically expanded presidential war powers for his successors. Each president does a lot more harm than good. Each should be protested and resisted and impeached and removed -- but for good reasons, of which there are always plenty, not for bad ones. > > 3. Promote a positive vision. We can move toward a better future in which reduced or eliminated military spending makes possible what we don't now even try to dream of. > > 4. Go local and global. Build power in towns, cities, states, and through alliances across borders. The latter is crucial for avoiding war and protecting the planet. > > 5. Take on Washington too, but recognize what we are up against. The activism that may have saved Chelsea Manning, delayed the bombing of Syria, prevented as of yet a war on Iran, and led to Trump campaigning on the idea that attacking Iraq and Libya was stupid, could do more if it knew its own strength. But the wars have now gone secret, outsourced, privatized, and taken to the skies rather than the ground. The lies have become slicker too, though that may be about to change. We have to up our game. A nuclear war is not one that can be criticized after it starts on the grounds that it costs too much money or hurts someone sympathetic or because the people nuked are not showing gratitude. We are also up against a permanent government sending troops to Russia's border, facilitating a coup in Ukraine, sabotaging peace in Syria, and making recent accusations against Russia that have in some cases proven false and in no case yet been proven true. > > 6. Resort to the most powerful tool: nonviolence. You cannot expect violence to work on children, even presidential children. It does not educate or control. Children need attention, positive when they do right and negative when they do wrong. The CIA, "Homeland-" "Security," and "Democrats" are effectively telling Trump that he can only be loved or respected if he joins in spitting in the face of a nuclear armed government. The people who found the one candidate who could lose to Trump are finding the one way to oppose his agenda that will fall apart under scrutiny if it doesn't kill us all first. Let's have no more partisanship. No more cults of or against personalities. > > We need principles. Policies. Peace. > > Help support DavidSwanson.org , WarIsACrime.org , and TalkNationRadio.org by clicking here: http://davidswanson.org/donate . > > If you were forwarded this email please sign up at https://actionnetwork.org/forms/activism-alerts-from-david-swanson . > > ### > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 20 01:13:10 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 01:13:10 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> Message-ID: The President is unlikely to have an impact on Roe vs. Wade, however those he has appointed may. Of course this has been an ongoing project for some time, with the closing down of Planned Parenthood Clinics, under the Obama Presidency While the march is focusing on several issues, some of which I support, there is almost no concern being shown for the thousands, millions of women killed as a result of US wars. What seems to be bringing on the crowds is concern over the “glass ceiling” and “callous rhetoric”. One can hope that those women going to DC, who are concerned with the lives of non American women being slaughtered along with their children by the USG, will have an opportunity to speak or engage, in the enlightenment of others. > On Jan 19, 2017, at 16:53, E. Wayne Johnson wrote: > > It is feared that Donald Trump will turn back Roe v. Wade. Abortion is instituted as a national eugenics program but it is popularized successfully as a women's rights issue. > > Those is power who were not interested in the esoteric points of genetics were swayed by the prospect of having their peccadillos managed medically at the expense of the state. > > Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone > > ---- Karen Aram wrote ---- > >> Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to if they support women. >> What is meant by support? >> Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. >> Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. >> >> Human Rights Watch NYC. >> >> >>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook wrote: >>> >>> A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, >>> >>> "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. And more Marian than I'd realized til I read this." >>> >>> https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/standing-mary-foot-cross >>> >>> --CGE >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Prairiegreens mailing list >>> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >>> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Prairiegreens mailing list >> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jan 20 01:31:53 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:31:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> Message-ID: Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg told the NYT in 2009, "Frankly, I had thought at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of.” The late Alex Cockburn was one of the few contemporary writers who noted the historic American tradition of eugenics (which the Nazis said at Nuremberg was their model). —CGE > On Jan 19, 2017, at 6:53 PM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote: > > It is feared that Donald Trump will turn back Roe v. Wade. Abortion is instituted as a national eugenics program but it is popularized successfully as a women's rights issue... > From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jan 20 01:35:53 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:35:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> Message-ID: <0516503E-AC58-4133-8ED4-9251067D0AF4@illinois.edu> Yes, indeed. Sr. McGivern writes (below), "When we march, the day after the president's inauguration, we will be standing with the water protectors at Standing Rock and in Flint, Mich. We will be sorrowing with mothers whose children are dead. We will be crying out for justice….” > On Jan 19, 2017, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > The President is unlikely to have an impact on Roe vs. Wade, however those he has appointed may. Of course this has been an ongoing project for some time, with the closing down of Planned Parenthood Clinics, under the Obama Presidency > > While the march is focusing on several issues, some of which I support, there is almost no concern being shown for the thousands, millions of women killed as a result of US wars. What seems to be bringing on the crowds is concern over the “glass ceiling” and “callous rhetoric”. > > One can hope that those women going to DC, who are concerned with the lives of non American women being slaughtered along with their children by the USG, will have an opportunity to speak or engage, in the enlightenment of others. > >> On Jan 19, 2017, at 16:53, E. Wayne Johnson wrote: >> >> It is feared that Donald Trump will turn back Roe v. Wade. Abortion is instituted as a national eugenics program but it is popularized successfully as a women's rights issue. >> >> Those is power who were not interested in the esoteric points of genetics were swayed by the prospect of having their peccadillos managed medically at the expense of the state. >> >> Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone >> >> ---- Karen Aram wrote ---- >> >>> Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to if they support women. >>> What is meant by support? >>> Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. >>> Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. >>> >>> Human Rights Watch NYC. >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook wrote: >>>> >>>> A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, >>>> >>>> "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. And more Marian than I'd realized til I read this." >>>> >>>> https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/standing-mary-foot-cross >>>> >>>> --CGE >>>> _ From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jan 20 01:40:49 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:40:49 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: <0516503E-AC58-4133-8ED4-9251067D0AF4@illinois.edu> References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> <0516503E-AC58-4133-8ED4-9251067D0AF4@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <035D591E-8294-4172-9C47-678FE480DAB0@illinois.edu> Yes, indeed. Sr. McGivern writes (below), "When we march, the day after the president's inauguration, we will be standing with the water protectors at Standing Rock and in Flint, Mich. We will be sorrowing with mothers whose children are dead. We will be crying out for justice….” > >> On Jan 19, 2017, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> The President is unlikely to have an impact on Roe vs. Wade, however those he has appointed may. Of course this has been an ongoing project for some time, with the closing down of Planned Parenthood Clinics, under the Obama Presidency >> >> While the march is focusing on several issues, some of which I support, there is almost no concern being shown for the thousands, millions of women killed as a result of US wars. What seems to be bringing on the crowds is concern over the “glass ceiling” and “callous rhetoric”. >> >> One can hope that those women going to DC, who are concerned with the lives of non American women being slaughtered along with their children by the USG, will have an opportunity to speak or engage, in the enlightenment of others. >> >>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 16:53, E. Wayne Johnson > wrote: >>> >>> It is feared that Donald Trump will turn back Roe v. Wade. Abortion is instituted as a national eugenics program but it is popularized successfully as a women's rights issue. >>> >>> Those is power who were not interested in the esoteric points of genetics were swayed by the prospect of having their peccadillos managed medically at the expense of the state. >>> >>> Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone >>> >>> ---- Karen Aram wrote ---- >>> >>>> Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to if they support women. >>>> What is meant by support? >>>> Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. >>>> Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. >>>> >>>> Human Rights Watch NYC. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, >>>>> >>>>> "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. And more Marian than I'd realized til I read this." >>>>> >>>>> https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/standing-mary-foot-cross >>>>> >>>>> --CGE >>>>> _ > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 20 01:46:28 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 01:46:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: <035D591E-8294-4172-9C47-678FE480DAB0@illinois.edu> References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> <0516503E-AC58-4133-8ED4-9251067D0AF4@illinois.edu> <035D591E-8294-4172-9C47-678FE480DAB0@illinois.edu> Message-ID: This is what should be emphasized. On Jan 19, 2017, at 17:40, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Yes, indeed. Sr. McGivern writes (below), "When we march, the day after the president's inauguration, we will be standing with the water protectors at Standing Rock and in Flint, Mich. We will be sorrowing with mothers whose children are dead. We will be crying out for justice….” On Jan 19, 2017, at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: The President is unlikely to have an impact on Roe vs. Wade, however those he has appointed may. Of course this has been an ongoing project for some time, with the closing down of Planned Parenthood Clinics, under the Obama Presidency While the march is focusing on several issues, some of which I support, there is almost no concern being shown for the thousands, millions of women killed as a result of US wars. What seems to be bringing on the crowds is concern over the “glass ceiling” and “callous rhetoric”. One can hope that those women going to DC, who are concerned with the lives of non American women being slaughtered along with their children by the USG, will have an opportunity to speak or engage, in the enlightenment of others. On Jan 19, 2017, at 16:53, E. Wayne Johnson > wrote: It is feared that Donald Trump will turn back Roe v. Wade. Abortion is instituted as a national eugenics program but it is popularized successfully as a women's rights issue. Those is power who were not interested in the esoteric points of genetics were swayed by the prospect of having their peccadillos managed medically at the expense of the state. Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone ---- Karen Aram wrote ---- Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to if they support women. What is meant by support? Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. Human Rights Watch NYC. On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. And more Marian than I'd realized til I read this." https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/standing-mary-foot-cross --CGE _ _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 20 02:17:13 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 02:17:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> Message-ID: I hope you, given your concern for others, take the opportunity to communicate with women who are there, to the crisis that many women are facing, whether the Water Protectors, or those we are bombing, and starving throughout the Middle East, and Africa, we need more women like you, to be concerned for others welfare. Thank you for your efforts. On Jan 19, 2017, at 17:56, CindyMann > wrote: As someone going to a march, my concern is for everyone. That callous rhetoric is dehumanizing, for everyone. It does matter. So is the sexual abuse and defense of predation he has displayed. Many people are going for that. C. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: The President is unlikely to have an impact on Roe vs. Wade, however those he has appointed may. Of course this has been an ongoing project for some time, with the closing down of Planned Parenthood Clinics, under the Obama Presidency While the march is focusing on several issues, some of which I support, there is almost no concern being shown for the thousands, millions of women killed as a result of US wars. What seems to be bringing on the crowds is concern over the “glass ceiling” and “callous rhetoric”. One can hope that those women going to DC, who are concerned with the lives of non American women being slaughtered along with their children by the USG, will have an opportunity to speak or engage, in the enlightenment of others. > On Jan 19, 2017, at 16:53, E. Wayne Johnson > wrote: > > It is feared that Donald Trump will turn back Roe v. Wade. Abortion is instituted as a national eugenics program but it is popularized successfully as a women's rights issue. > > Those is power who were not interested in the esoteric points of genetics were swayed by the prospect of having their peccadillos managed medically at the expense of the state. > > Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone > > ---- Karen Aram wrote ---- > >> Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to if they support women. >> What is meant by support? >> Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. >> Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. >> >> Human Rights Watch NYC. >> >> >>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: >>> >>> A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, >>> >>> "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 20 02:17:52 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 02:17:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From Counterpunch Message-ID: JANUARY 19, 2017 The Trump Speech That No One Heard by MIKE WHITNEY * * * * Email * * [http://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/dropzone/2015/07/print-sp.png] [Photo by Jamelle Bouie | CC BY 2.0] Photo by Jamelle Bouie | CC BY 2.0 The US foreign policy establishment is gradually shifting its focus from the Middle East to the Far East, but the unexpected election of Donald Trump has thrown a wrench in the elitist plan to pivot to Asia. Trump wants to fundamentally change Washington’s approach to policy, that is, he wants to abandon the destabilizing wars and regime change operations that have characterized US policy in the past and work collaboratively with countries like Russia that have a mutual interest in establishing regional security and fighting terrorism. This has not been warmly received in Washington, in fact, Trump’s recommendations have triggered a firestorm among elites who now believe that he is a serious threat to their interests. Recent attacks in the media and preemptive provocations with Russia, suggest that an effort to remove the new president from office is already underway. We expect that these attacks will only intensify in the weeks ahead. Here’s an excerpt from the speech Trump delivered in Cincinnati on December 1 that is the source of the controversy: “We will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past…We will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments…. Our goal is stability not chaos, because we want to rebuild our country [the United States]… We will partner with any nation that is willing to join us in the effort to defeat ISIS and radical Islamic terrorism …In our dealings with other countries, we will seek shared interests wherever possible and pursue a new era of peace, understanding, and good will.” None of the major media published Trump’s comments, and for good reason. The statement is a straightforward repudiation of the last 70 years of US foreign policy during which time the United States has either overthrown or attempted to overthrow 57 foreign governments according to author William Blum. Removing governments that refuse to follow Washington’s diktats has been a mainstay of US foreign policy for the better part of the last century. Regime change is what we do. And while GOP administrations have relied more on direct military power (Re: Afghanistan, Iraq) as opposed to the more covert operations (proxy-wars –Syria, Ukraine, Libya) preferred by the Democrats, both parties fully support the violent and illegal ousting of foreign leaders provided Washington’s geopolitical objectives are achieved. Trump has charted a different course altogether which is why the media, the Intelligence Community, the political establishment and the deep state puppetmasters who operate behind the curtain, have abandoned all restraint and are doing whatever they can to delegitimize him, back him into a corner and potentially remove him from office. They cannot allow Trump to work with nations like Russia that pose a clear threat to Washington’s plan to be a dominant player in the fastest growing region of the world. This is why CIA Director John Brennan took the unprecedented step of appearing on FOX News Sunday. Brennan and the other heads of the Intelligence Community have taken a leading role in the desperate character assassination campaign that is intended to undermine public confidence in Trump in order to foil his attempts at resetting relations with Russia. The CIA’s involvement in the coups in Ukraine and Honduras, as well as the agency’s funding, arming and training of Sunni militants that have destroyed Libya and Syria, attest to the fact that Brennan does not see peace and reconciliation as compatible with US foreign policy objectives. Like his elitist paymasters, Brennan is committed to perpetual war, regime change, and mass annihilation. Trump offers some relief from this 70 year-long nightmare policy. Check out this quote from Vice President-elect, Mike Pence on FOX News Sunday: “I think the president elect has made it very clear that we have a terrible relationship with Russia right now. And that’s not all our own doing, but really is a failure of American diplomacy in successive administrations. And what the president elect has determined to do is to explore the possibility of better relations. We have a common enemy in ISIS, and the ability to work with Russia to confront, hunt down and destroy ISIS at its source represents an enormously important priority of this incoming administration. But what the American people like about Donald Trump is that he’s someone who can sit down, roll his sleeves up and make a deal. And what you’re hearing in his reflections whether it be with Russia, or China or other countries in the world, is that we’re going to reengage. We’re going to put America first, we’re going to reengage in a way that advances America’s interests in the world and that advances peace.” Vice President-elect Mike Pence, FOX News Sunday The American people don’t want a war Russia, but US foreign policy elites do. Even now, after six years of carnage and destruction in Syria, elites at the Council on Foreign Relations are still resolved to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. (Re: “Aleppo’s Sobering Lessons,” Project Syndicate, by Richard Haas, President of the Council on Foreign Relations) The same is true at the Brookings Institute where chief strategist Michael O’ Hanlon leads the charge for splitting up the battered country so Washington can control vital pipeline corridors, establish military bases in the east, and eliminate a potential threat to Israeli expansion. Here’s a clip from a recent piece by O’ Hanlon that appeared in the Wall Street Journal. The author admits that the US goal is to splinter to country into multiple parts transforming it into a failed state: “To achieve peace, Syria will need self-governance within a number of autonomous zones. One option is a confederal system by which the whole country is divided into such zones. A less desirable but minimally acceptable alternative could be several autonomous zones within an otherwise still-centralized state—similar to how Iraqi Kurdistan has functioned for a quarter-century…. Many Syrians will not like the idea of a confederal nation, or even of a central government controlling half the country with the other half divided into three or four autonomous zones. … But the broad vision should be developed soon.” (Wall Street Journal) “Autonomous zones” in a “confederal system” is a sobriquet for a broken, Balkanized failed state run by tribal elders, disparate warlords and bloodthirsty jihadists. O’ Hanlon’s vision for Syria is a savage dysfunctional dystopia run by homicidal fanatics who rule with an iron fist. Is it any wonder why the Syrian people have fought tooth and nail to fend off the terrorist onslaught? The United States is entirely responsible for the death and decimation of Syria. It is absurd to think that either the Saudis, the Qataris or the Turks would have launched a war on a strategically-critical nation like Syria without a green light from Washington. The conflict is just the latest hotspot in Washington’s 15 year-long war of terror. The ultimate goal is to remove all secular Arab leaders who may pose a threat to US imperial ambitions, open up the region to US-dominated extractive industries, and foment enough extremism to legitimize a permanent military presence. Russia’s intervention into the Syrian conflict in September 2015, has cast doubt on Washington’s ability to prevail in the six year long war. The election of Donald Trump has further complicated matters by affecting a seismic shift in policy that could end the fighting and lead to improved relations between the US and Russia. Naturally, that is not in the interests of the vicious neocons or their liberal interventionist counterparts who see the proxy war in Syria as a pivotal part of their plan to clip Russia’s wings, discredit Putin in the eyes of the international community, and lay the groundwork for regime change in Moscow. Washington’s ultimate plan for Russia hews closely to that of Zbigniew Brzezinski who– in an titled “A Geostrategy for Eurasia”– had this to say: “Given (Russia’s) size and diversity, a decentralized political system and free-market economics would be most likely to unleash the creative potential of the Russian people and Russia’s vast natural resources. A loosely confederated Russia — composed of a European Russia, a Siberian Republic, and a Far Eastern Republic — would also find it easier to cultivate closer economic relations with its neighbors. Each of the confederated entitles would be able to tap its local creative potential, stifled for centuries by Moscow’s heavy bureaucratic hand. In turn, a decentralized Russia would be less susceptible to imperial mobilization.” (Zbigniew Brzezinski, A Geostrategy for Eurasia, Foreign Affairs, 76:5, September/October 1997) In other words, Washington’s plan for Russia is no different than its plan for Syria. Both countries will be chopped up into smaller bite-size enclaves eliminating the possibility of a strong nationalist government rising up and resisting Washington’s relentless exploitation and repression. It’s divide and conquer writ large. “A loosely confederated Russia” also fits perfectly with Washington’s top priority to spread military bases across Asia, control crucial energy supplies, force open and dominate financial markets, impose Washington’s neoliberal economic policies, and maintain a stranglehold on China’s growth. It’s the Great Game all over again, and Washington is “In it to win it.” Here’s an excerpt from a speech Hillary Clinton gave in 2011 titled “America’s Pacific Century”. The speech underscores the importance that elites attach to the “rebalancing” plan contained in the term “pivot to Asia”. The strategy relies on the opening up of new markets to US corporations and Wall Street, controlling critical resources, and “forging a broad-based military presence” across the continent. Washington intends to be the main player in the world’s most prosperous region. Here’s Clinton: “The future of politics will be decided in Asia, not Afghanistan or Iraq, and the United States will be right at the center of the action…. One of the most important tasks of American statecraft over the next decade will therefore be to lock in a substantially increased investment — diplomatic, economic, strategic, and otherwise — in the Asia-Pacific region… Harnessing Asia’s growth and dynamism is central to American economic and strategic interests and a key priority for President Obama. Open markets in Asia provide the United States with unprecedented opportunities for investment, trade, and access to cutting-edge technology…..American firms (need) to tap into the vast and growing consumer base of Asia…The region already generates more than half of global output and nearly half of global trade. As we strive to meet President Obama’s goal of doubling exports by 2015, we are looking for opportunities to do even more business in Asia… (“America’s Pacific Century”, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton”, Foreign Policy Magazine, 2011) As we noted earlier, the pivot to Asia is Washington’s top priority. Clinton merely confirms what geopolitical strategist Zbigniew Brzezinski had laid out in his 1997 magnum opus The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives. Here’s a short excerpt from the book: “For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia… (p.30)….. Eurasia is the globe’s largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world’s three most advanced and economically productive regions. ….About 75 per cent of the world’s people live in Eurasia, and most of the world’s physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 per cent of the world’s GNP and about three-fourths of the world’s known energy resources.” (p.31) For Washington to achieve its foreign policy objectives, it must eliminate or defeat all emerging threats to its dominance. In practical terms, that means the Russo-Sino plan to transform Europe and Asia into a giant free trade zone that extends from Lisbon to Vladivostok– must be sabotaged by any means possible. The State Department’s coup in Kiev as well as aggressive efforts to restrict the flow of Russian gas to the EU via Nord Stream and South Stream, have at least temporarily succeeded in undermining Moscow’s plan for accelerated economic integration. Had Hillary won the election, the US would have stepped up its provocations, its sanctions, its military buildup on Russia’s borders, its gas war, its attacks on Russia’s markets and currency, and its proxy wars in Syria and Ukraine. But now that Trump has been thrown into the mix, anything is possible. Even a fundamental change in the policy. The question is whether the deep state powerbrokers –who have already launched a number of attacks on Trump in the media — will throw in the towel and allow Trump to develop his own independent foreign policy or take steps to have him removed from office. Early indications suggest that a coup is already underway. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jan 20 02:33:40 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:33:40 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From Counterpunch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CB6C2C4-F7F5-4DAC-A5E1-379F5A3F2174@illinois.edu> Whitney concludes, “...The question is whether the deep state powerbrokers –who have already launched a number of attacks on Trump in the media — will throw in the towel and allow Trump to develop his own independent foreign policy or take steps to have him removed from office. Early indications suggest that a coup is already underway.” Even on the eve of the inauguration, they haven’t given up. The NYT reports at 8:21 tonight, “BREAKING NEWS: U.S. intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and data for links between Donald Trump's associates and Russia.” > On Jan 19, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > JANUARY 19, 2017 > The Trump Speech That No One Heard > by MIKE WHITNEY > > Photo by Jamelle Bouie | CC BY 2.0 > > The US foreign policy establishment is gradually shifting its focus from the Middle East to the Far East, but the unexpected election of Donald Trump has thrown a wrench in the elitist plan to pivot to Asia. Trump wants to fundamentally change Washington’s approach to policy, that is, he wants to abandon the destabilizing wars and regime change operations that have characterized US policy in the past and work collaboratively with countries like Russia that have a mutual interest in establishing regional security and fighting terrorism. > > This has not been warmly received in Washington, in fact, Trump’s recommendations have triggered a firestorm among elites who now believe that he is a serious threat to their interests. Recent attacks in the media and preemptive provocations with Russia, suggest that an effort to remove the new president from office is already underway. We expect that these attacks will only intensify in the weeks ahead. Here’s an excerpt from the speech Trump delivered in Cincinnati on December 1 that is the source of the controversy: > > “We will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past…We will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments…. Our goal is stability not chaos, because we want to rebuild our country [the United States]… We will partner with any nation that is willing to join us in the effort to defeat ISIS and radical Islamic terrorism …In our dealings with other countries, we will seek shared interests wherever possible and pursue a new era of peace, understanding, and good will.” > > None of the major media published Trump’s comments, and for good reason. The statement is a straightforward repudiation of the last 70 years of US foreign policy during which time the United States has either overthrown or attempted to overthrow 57 foreign governments according to author William Blum. Removing governments that refuse to follow Washington’s diktats has been a mainstay of US foreign policy for the better part of the last century. Regime change is what we do. And while GOP administrations have relied more on direct military power (Re: Afghanistan, Iraq) as opposed to the more covert operations (proxy-wars –Syria, Ukraine, Libya) preferred by the Democrats, both parties fully support the violent and illegal ousting of foreign leaders provided Washington’s geopolitical objectives are achieved. > > Trump has charted a different course altogether which is why the media, the Intelligence Community, the political establishment and the deep state puppetmasters who operate behind the curtain, have abandoned all restraint and are doing whatever they can to delegitimize him, back him into a corner and potentially remove him from office. They cannot allow Trump to work with nations like Russia that pose a clear threat to Washington’s plan to be a dominant player in the fastest growing region of the world. This is why CIA Director John Brennan took the unprecedented step of appearing on FOX News Sunday. Brennan and the other heads of the Intelligence Community have taken a leading role in the desperate character assassination campaign that is intended to undermine public confidence in Trump in order to foil his attempts at resetting relations with Russia. The CIA’s involvement in the coups in Ukraine and Honduras, as well as the agency’s funding, arming and training of Sunni militants that have destroyed Libya and Syria, attest to the fact that Brennan does not see peace and reconciliation as compatible with US foreign policy objectives. Like his elitist paymasters, Brennan is committed to perpetual war, regime change, and mass annihilation. Trump offers some relief from this 70 year-long nightmare policy. Check out this quote from Vice President-elect, Mike Pence on FOX News Sunday: > > “I think the president elect has made it very clear that we have a terrible relationship with Russia right now. And that’s not all our own doing, but really is a failure of American diplomacy in successive administrations. And what the president elect has determined to do is to explore the possibility of better relations. We have a common enemy in ISIS, and the ability to work with Russia to confront, hunt down and destroy ISIS at its source represents an enormously important priority of this incoming administration. But what the American people like about Donald Trump is that he’s someone who can sit down, roll his sleeves up and make a deal. And what you’re hearing in his reflections whether it be with Russia, or China or other countries in the world, is that we’re going to reengage. We’re going to put America first, we’re going to reengage in a way that advances America’s interests in the world and that advances peace.” > > Vice President-elect Mike Pence, FOX News Sunday > > The American people don’t want a war Russia, but US foreign policy elites do. Even now, after six years of carnage and destruction in Syria, elites at the Council on Foreign Relations are still resolved to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. (Re: “Aleppo’s Sobering Lessons,” Project Syndicate, by Richard Haas, President of the Council on Foreign Relations) The same is true at the Brookings Institute where chief strategist Michael O’ Hanlon leads the charge for splitting up the battered country so Washington can control vital pipeline corridors, establish military bases in the east, and eliminate a potential threat to Israeli expansion. Here’s a clip from a recent piece by O’ Hanlon that appeared in the Wall Street Journal. The author admits that the US goal is to splinter to country into multiple parts transforming it into a failed state: > > “To achieve peace, Syria will need self-governance within a number of autonomous zones. One option is a confederal system by which the whole country is divided into such zones. A less desirable but minimally acceptable alternative could be several autonomous zones within an otherwise still-centralized state—similar to how Iraqi Kurdistan has functioned for a quarter-century…. > > Many Syrians will not like the idea of a confederal nation, or even of a central government controlling half the country with the other half divided into three or four autonomous zones. … But the broad vision should be developed soon.” (Wall Street Journal) > > “Autonomous zones” in a “confederal system” is a sobriquet for a broken, Balkanized failed state run by tribal elders, disparate warlords and bloodthirsty jihadists. O’ Hanlon’s vision for Syria is a savage dysfunctional dystopia run by homicidal fanatics who rule with an iron fist. Is it any wonder why the Syrian people have fought tooth and nail to fend off the terrorist onslaught? > > The United States is entirely responsible for the death and decimation of Syria. It is absurd to think that either the Saudis, the Qataris or the Turks would have launched a war on a strategically-critical nation like Syria without a green light from Washington. The conflict is just the latest hotspot in Washington’s 15 year-long war of terror. The ultimate goal is to remove all secular Arab leaders who may pose a threat to US imperial ambitions, open up the region to US-dominated extractive industries, and foment enough extremism to legitimize a permanent military presence. > > Russia’s intervention into the Syrian conflict in September 2015, has cast doubt on Washington’s ability to prevail in the six year long war. The election of Donald Trump has further complicated matters by affecting a seismic shift in policy that could end the fighting and lead to improved relations between the US and Russia. Naturally, that is not in the interests of the vicious neocons or their liberal interventionist counterparts who see the proxy war in Syria as a pivotal part of their plan to clip Russia’s wings, discredit Putin in the eyes of the international community, and lay the groundwork for regime change in Moscow. Washington’s ultimate plan for Russia hews closely to that of Zbigniew Brzezinski who– in an titled “A Geostrategy for Eurasia”– had this to say: > > “Given (Russia’s) size and diversity, a decentralized political system and free-market economics would be most likely to unleash the creative potential of the Russian people and Russia’s vast natural resources. A loosely confederated Russia — composed of a European Russia, a Siberian Republic, and a Far Eastern Republic — would also find it easier to cultivate closer economic relations with its neighbors. Each of the confederated entitles would be able to tap its local creative potential, stifled for centuries by Moscow’s heavy bureaucratic hand. In turn, a decentralized Russia would be less susceptible to imperial mobilization.” (Zbigniew Brzezinski, A Geostrategy for Eurasia, Foreign Affairs, 76:5, September/October 1997) > > In other words, Washington’s plan for Russia is no different than its plan for Syria. Both countries will be chopped up into smaller bite-size enclaves eliminating the possibility of a strong nationalist government rising up and resisting Washington’s relentless exploitation and repression. It’s divide and conquer writ large. > > “A loosely confederated Russia” also fits perfectly with Washington’s top priority to spread military bases across Asia, control crucial energy supplies, force open and dominate financial markets, impose Washington’s neoliberal economic policies, and maintain a stranglehold on China’s growth. It’s the Great Game all over again, and Washington is “In it to win it.” > > Here’s an excerpt from a speech Hillary Clinton gave in 2011 titled “America’s Pacific Century”. The speech underscores the importance that elites attach to the “rebalancing” plan contained in the term “pivot to Asia”. The strategy relies on the opening up of new markets to US corporations and Wall Street, controlling critical resources, and “forging a broad-based military presence” across the continent. Washington intends to be the main player in the world’s most prosperous region. Here’s Clinton: > > “The future of politics will be decided in Asia, not Afghanistan or Iraq, and the United States will be right at the center of the action…. One of the most important tasks of American statecraft over the next decade will therefore be to lock in a substantially increased investment — diplomatic, economic, strategic, and otherwise — in the Asia-Pacific region… > > Harnessing Asia’s growth and dynamism is central to American economic and strategic interests and a key priority for President Obama. Open markets in Asia provide the United States with unprecedented opportunities for investment, trade, and access to cutting-edge technology…..American firms (need) to tap into the vast and growing consumer base of Asia…The region already generates more than half of global output and nearly half of global trade. As we strive to meet President Obama’s goal of doubling exports by 2015, we are looking for opportunities to do even more business in Asia… > > (“America’s Pacific Century”, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton”, Foreign Policy Magazine, 2011) > > As we noted earlier, the pivot to Asia is Washington’s top priority. Clinton merely confirms what geopolitical strategist Zbigniew Brzezinski had laid out in his 1997 magnum opus The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives. Here’s a short excerpt from the book: > > “For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia… (p.30)….. Eurasia is the globe’s largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world’s three most advanced and economically productive regions. ….About 75 per cent of the world’s people live in Eurasia, and most of the world’s physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 per cent of the world’s GNP and about three-fourths of the world’s known energy resources.” (p.31) > > For Washington to achieve its foreign policy objectives, it must eliminate or defeat all emerging threats to its dominance. In practical terms, that means the Russo-Sino plan to transform Europe and Asia into a giant free trade zone that extends from Lisbon to Vladivostok– must be sabotaged by any means possible. The State Department’s coup in Kiev as well as aggressive efforts to restrict the flow of Russian gas to the EU via Nord Stream and South Stream, have at least temporarily succeeded in undermining Moscow’s plan for accelerated economic integration. Had Hillary won the election, the US would have stepped up its provocations, its sanctions, its military buildup on Russia’s borders, its gas war, its attacks on Russia’s markets and currency, and its proxy wars in Syria and Ukraine. But now that Trump has been thrown into the mix, anything is possible. Even a fundamental change in the policy. > > The question is whether the deep state powerbrokers –who have already launched a number of attacks on Trump in the media — will throw in the towel and allow Trump to develop his own independent foreign policy or take steps to have him removed from office. > > Early indications suggest that a coup is already underway. > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 20 03:03:11 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 03:03:11 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From Counterpunch In-Reply-To: <9CB6C2C4-F7F5-4DAC-A5E1-379F5A3F2174@illinois.edu> References: <9CB6C2C4-F7F5-4DAC-A5E1-379F5A3F2174@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Yep, and as Chris Hedges has suggested, even if Trump is not overthrown by coup or Impeachment, the wars and provocations will continue, one way or another. They may just offer a “brief respite” allowing some to enrich themselves before continuing with the “plan”. My words, not his. Just as the “climate deniers” once they’ve enriched themselves, having retrieved every last drop of fossil fuel they can acquire, will then tackle climate change. Too late of course, for those who by that time will have starved to death in most of the poor nations. > On Jan 19, 2017, at 18:33, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > Whitney concludes, “...The question is whether the deep state powerbrokers –who have already launched a number of attacks on Trump in the media — will throw in the towel and allow Trump to develop his own independent foreign policy or take steps to have him removed from office. Early indications suggest that a coup is already underway.” > > Even on the eve of the inauguration, they haven’t given up. The NYT reports at 8:21 tonight, “BREAKING NEWS: U.S. intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and data for links between Donald Trump's associates and Russia.” > > >> On Jan 19, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> JANUARY 19, 2017 >> The Trump Speech That No One Heard >> by MIKE WHITNEY >> >> Photo by Jamelle Bouie | CC BY 2.0 >> >> The US foreign policy establishment is gradually shifting its focus from the Middle East to the Far East, but the unexpected election of Donald Trump has thrown a wrench in the elitist plan to pivot to Asia. Trump wants to fundamentally change Washington’s approach to policy, that is, he wants to abandon the destabilizing wars and regime change operations that have characterized US policy in the past and work collaboratively with countries like Russia that have a mutual interest in establishing regional security and fighting terrorism. >> >> This has not been warmly received in Washington, in fact, Trump’s recommendations have triggered a firestorm among elites who now believe that he is a serious threat to their interests. Recent attacks in the media and preemptive provocations with Russia, suggest that an effort to remove the new president from office is already underway. We expect that these attacks will only intensify in the weeks ahead. Here’s an excerpt from the speech Trump delivered in Cincinnati on December 1 that is the source of the controversy: >> >> “We will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past…We will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments…. Our goal is stability not chaos, because we want to rebuild our country [the United States]… We will partner with any nation that is willing to join us in the effort to defeat ISIS and radical Islamic terrorism …In our dealings with other countries, we will seek shared interests wherever possible and pursue a new era of peace, understanding, and good will.” >> >> None of the major media published Trump’s comments, and for good reason. The statement is a straightforward repudiation of the last 70 years of US foreign policy during which time the United States has either overthrown or attempted to overthrow 57 foreign governments according to author William Blum. Removing governments that refuse to follow Washington’s diktats has been a mainstay of US foreign policy for the better part of the last century. Regime change is what we do. And while GOP administrations have relied more on direct military power (Re: Afghanistan, Iraq) as opposed to the more covert operations (proxy-wars –Syria, Ukraine, Libya) preferred by the Democrats, both parties fully support the violent and illegal ousting of foreign leaders provided Washington’s geopolitical objectives are achieved. >> >> Trump has charted a different course altogether which is why the media, the Intelligence Community, the political establishment and the deep state puppetmasters who operate behind the curtain, have abandoned all restraint and are doing whatever they can to delegitimize him, back him into a corner and potentially remove him from office. They cannot allow Trump to work with nations like Russia that pose a clear threat to Washington’s plan to be a dominant player in the fastest growing region of the world. This is why CIA Director John Brennan took the unprecedented step of appearing on FOX News Sunday. Brennan and the other heads of the Intelligence Community have taken a leading role in the desperate character assassination campaign that is intended to undermine public confidence in Trump in order to foil his attempts at resetting relations with Russia. The CIA’s involvement in the coups in Ukraine and Honduras, as well as the agency’s funding, arming and training of Sunni militants that have destroyed Libya and Syria, attest to the fact that Brennan does not see peace and reconciliation as compatible with US foreign policy objectives. Like his elitist paymasters, Brennan is committed to perpetual war, regime change, and mass annihilation. Trump offers some relief from this 70 year-long nightmare policy. Check out this quote from Vice President-elect, Mike Pence on FOX News Sunday: >> >> “I think the president elect has made it very clear that we have a terrible relationship with Russia right now. And that’s not all our own doing, but really is a failure of American diplomacy in successive administrations. And what the president elect has determined to do is to explore the possibility of better relations. We have a common enemy in ISIS, and the ability to work with Russia to confront, hunt down and destroy ISIS at its source represents an enormously important priority of this incoming administration. But what the American people like about Donald Trump is that he’s someone who can sit down, roll his sleeves up and make a deal. And what you’re hearing in his reflections whether it be with Russia, or China or other countries in the world, is that we’re going to reengage. We’re going to put America first, we’re going to reengage in a way that advances America’s interests in the world and that advances peace.” >> >> Vice President-elect Mike Pence, FOX News Sunday >> >> The American people don’t want a war Russia, but US foreign policy elites do. Even now, after six years of carnage and destruction in Syria, elites at the Council on Foreign Relations are still resolved to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. (Re: “Aleppo’s Sobering Lessons,” Project Syndicate, by Richard Haas, President of the Council on Foreign Relations) The same is true at the Brookings Institute where chief strategist Michael O’ Hanlon leads the charge for splitting up the battered country so Washington can control vital pipeline corridors, establish military bases in the east, and eliminate a potential threat to Israeli expansion. Here’s a clip from a recent piece by O’ Hanlon that appeared in the Wall Street Journal. The author admits that the US goal is to splinter to country into multiple parts transforming it into a failed state: >> >> “To achieve peace, Syria will need self-governance within a number of autonomous zones. One option is a confederal system by which the whole country is divided into such zones. A less desirable but minimally acceptable alternative could be several autonomous zones within an otherwise still-centralized state—similar to how Iraqi Kurdistan has functioned for a quarter-century…. >> >> Many Syrians will not like the idea of a confederal nation, or even of a central government controlling half the country with the other half divided into three or four autonomous zones. … But the broad vision should be developed soon.” (Wall Street Journal) >> >> “Autonomous zones” in a “confederal system” is a sobriquet for a broken, Balkanized failed state run by tribal elders, disparate warlords and bloodthirsty jihadists. O’ Hanlon’s vision for Syria is a savage dysfunctional dystopia run by homicidal fanatics who rule with an iron fist. Is it any wonder why the Syrian people have fought tooth and nail to fend off the terrorist onslaught? >> >> The United States is entirely responsible for the death and decimation of Syria. It is absurd to think that either the Saudis, the Qataris or the Turks would have launched a war on a strategically-critical nation like Syria without a green light from Washington. The conflict is just the latest hotspot in Washington’s 15 year-long war of terror. The ultimate goal is to remove all secular Arab leaders who may pose a threat to US imperial ambitions, open up the region to US-dominated extractive industries, and foment enough extremism to legitimize a permanent military presence. >> >> Russia’s intervention into the Syrian conflict in September 2015, has cast doubt on Washington’s ability to prevail in the six year long war. The election of Donald Trump has further complicated matters by affecting a seismic shift in policy that could end the fighting and lead to improved relations between the US and Russia. Naturally, that is not in the interests of the vicious neocons or their liberal interventionist counterparts who see the proxy war in Syria as a pivotal part of their plan to clip Russia’s wings, discredit Putin in the eyes of the international community, and lay the groundwork for regime change in Moscow. Washington’s ultimate plan for Russia hews closely to that of Zbigniew Brzezinski who– in an titled “A Geostrategy for Eurasia”– had this to say: >> >> “Given (Russia’s) size and diversity, a decentralized political system and free-market economics would be most likely to unleash the creative potential of the Russian people and Russia’s vast natural resources. A loosely confederated Russia — composed of a European Russia, a Siberian Republic, and a Far Eastern Republic — would also find it easier to cultivate closer economic relations with its neighbors. Each of the confederated entitles would be able to tap its local creative potential, stifled for centuries by Moscow’s heavy bureaucratic hand. In turn, a decentralized Russia would be less susceptible to imperial mobilization.” (Zbigniew Brzezinski, A Geostrategy for Eurasia, Foreign Affairs, 76:5, September/October 1997) >> >> In other words, Washington’s plan for Russia is no different than its plan for Syria. Both countries will be chopped up into smaller bite-size enclaves eliminating the possibility of a strong nationalist government rising up and resisting Washington’s relentless exploitation and repression. It’s divide and conquer writ large. >> >> “A loosely confederated Russia” also fits perfectly with Washington’s top priority to spread military bases across Asia, control crucial energy supplies, force open and dominate financial markets, impose Washington’s neoliberal economic policies, and maintain a stranglehold on China’s growth. It’s the Great Game all over again, and Washington is “In it to win it.” >> >> Here’s an excerpt from a speech Hillary Clinton gave in 2011 titled “America’s Pacific Century”. The speech underscores the importance that elites attach to the “rebalancing” plan contained in the term “pivot to Asia”. The strategy relies on the opening up of new markets to US corporations and Wall Street, controlling critical resources, and “forging a broad-based military presence” across the continent. Washington intends to be the main player in the world’s most prosperous region. Here’s Clinton: >> >> “The future of politics will be decided in Asia, not Afghanistan or Iraq, and the United States will be right at the center of the action…. One of the most important tasks of American statecraft over the next decade will therefore be to lock in a substantially increased investment — diplomatic, economic, strategic, and otherwise — in the Asia-Pacific region… >> >> Harnessing Asia’s growth and dynamism is central to American economic and strategic interests and a key priority for President Obama. Open markets in Asia provide the United States with unprecedented opportunities for investment, trade, and access to cutting-edge technology…..American firms (need) to tap into the vast and growing consumer base of Asia…The region already generates more than half of global output and nearly half of global trade. As we strive to meet President Obama’s goal of doubling exports by 2015, we are looking for opportunities to do even more business in Asia… >> >> (“America’s Pacific Century”, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton”, Foreign Policy Magazine, 2011) >> >> As we noted earlier, the pivot to Asia is Washington’s top priority. Clinton merely confirms what geopolitical strategist Zbigniew Brzezinski had laid out in his 1997 magnum opus The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives. Here’s a short excerpt from the book: >> >> “For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia… (p.30)….. Eurasia is the globe’s largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world’s three most advanced and economically productive regions. ….About 75 per cent of the world’s people live in Eurasia, and most of the world’s physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 per cent of the world’s GNP and about three-fourths of the world’s known energy resources.” (p.31) >> >> For Washington to achieve its foreign policy objectives, it must eliminate or defeat all emerging threats to its dominance. In practical terms, that means the Russo-Sino plan to transform Europe and Asia into a giant free trade zone that extends from Lisbon to Vladivostok– must be sabotaged by any means possible. The State Department’s coup in Kiev as well as aggressive efforts to restrict the flow of Russian gas to the EU via Nord Stream and South Stream, have at least temporarily succeeded in undermining Moscow’s plan for accelerated economic integration. Had Hillary won the election, the US would have stepped up its provocations, its sanctions, its military buildup on Russia’s borders, its gas war, its attacks on Russia’s markets and currency, and its proxy wars in Syria and Ukraine. But now that Trump has been thrown into the mix, anything is possible. Even a fundamental change in the policy. >> >> The question is whether the deep state powerbrokers –who have already launched a number of attacks on Trump in the media — will throw in the towel and allow Trump to develop his own independent foreign policy or take steps to have him removed from office. >> >> Early indications suggest that a coup is already underway. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jan 20 03:17:05 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 21:17:05 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From Counterpunch In-Reply-To: References: <9CB6C2C4-F7F5-4DAC-A5E1-379F5A3F2174@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <5738A888-DB16-4688-8BE8-415E88E3A83D@illinois.edu> See (if you haven’t) Pepe’s account of the wars and provocations - "Here's How the Trump Presidency Will Play Out” >: Escobar considers the central figures of the US business world to be "masters of the universe," strongly influencing if not directing the actions of the president and government, even if opposed by a government establishment, a 'deep state' or 'permanent government.' Very roughly, the former are neoliberals, backing Trump, and the latter are neocons, backing Obama (and Clinton). Escobar says the former offer "a crisp interpretation of the shadow play ahead from Moscow's point of view, allowing several months to see if Putin can work out a detente with Trump that essentially creates an autonomous eastern Ukraine, a peace treaty in Syria with Assad in place, and a withdrawal of NATO forces back to their line of defense under Ronald Reagan. Who will prevail; the Masters, or the deep state? Brace for impact.” —CGE > On Jan 19, 2017, at 9:03 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Yep, and as Chris Hedges has suggested, even if Trump is not overthrown by coup or Impeachment, the wars and provocations will continue, one way or another. They may just offer a “brief respite” allowing some to enrich themselves before continuing with the “plan”. My words, not his. > > Just as the “climate deniers” once they’ve enriched themselves, having retrieved every last drop of fossil fuel they can acquire, will then tackle climate change. Too late of course, for those who by that time will have starved to death in most of the poor nations. > > >> On Jan 19, 2017, at 18:33, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: >> >> Whitney concludes, “...The question is whether the deep state powerbrokers –who have already launched a number of attacks on Trump in the media — will throw in the towel and allow Trump to develop his own independent foreign policy or take steps to have him removed from office. Early indications suggest that a coup is already underway.” >> >> Even on the eve of the inauguration, they haven’t given up. The NYT reports at 8:21 tonight, “BREAKING NEWS: U.S. intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and data for links between Donald Trump's associates and Russia.” >> >> >>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >>> >>> JANUARY 19, 2017 >>> The Trump Speech That No One Heard >>> by MIKE WHITNEY >>> >>> Photo by Jamelle Bouie | CC BY 2.0 >>> >>> The US foreign policy establishment is gradually shifting its focus from the Middle East to the Far East, but the unexpected election of Donald Trump has thrown a wrench in the elitist plan to pivot to Asia. Trump wants to fundamentally change Washington’s approach to policy, that is, he wants to abandon the destabilizing wars and regime change operations that have characterized US policy in the past and work collaboratively with countries like Russia that have a mutual interest in establishing regional security and fighting terrorism. >>> >>> This has not been warmly received in Washington, in fact, Trump’s recommendations have triggered a firestorm among elites who now believe that he is a serious threat to their interests. Recent attacks in the media and preemptive provocations with Russia, suggest that an effort to remove the new president from office is already underway. We expect that these attacks will only intensify in the weeks ahead. Here’s an excerpt from the speech Trump delivered in Cincinnati on December 1 that is the source of the controversy: >>> >>> “We will pursue a new foreign policy that finally learns from the mistakes of the past…We will stop looking to topple regimes and overthrow governments…. Our goal is stability not chaos, because we want to rebuild our country [the United States]… We will partner with any nation that is willing to join us in the effort to defeat ISIS and radical Islamic terrorism …In our dealings with other countries, we will seek shared interests wherever possible and pursue a new era of peace, understanding, and good will.” >>> >>> None of the major media published Trump’s comments, and for good reason. The statement is a straightforward repudiation of the last 70 years of US foreign policy during which time the United States has either overthrown or attempted to overthrow 57 foreign governments according to author William Blum. Removing governments that refuse to follow Washington’s diktats has been a mainstay of US foreign policy for the better part of the last century. Regime change is what we do. And while GOP administrations have relied more on direct military power (Re: Afghanistan, Iraq) as opposed to the more covert operations (proxy-wars –Syria, Ukraine, Libya) preferred by the Democrats, both parties fully support the violent and illegal ousting of foreign leaders provided Washington’s geopolitical objectives are achieved. >>> >>> Trump has charted a different course altogether which is why the media, the Intelligence Community, the political establishment and the deep state puppetmasters who operate behind the curtain, have abandoned all restraint and are doing whatever they can to delegitimize him, back him into a corner and potentially remove him from office. They cannot allow Trump to work with nations like Russia that pose a clear threat to Washington’s plan to be a dominant player in the fastest growing region of the world. This is why CIA Director John Brennan took the unprecedented step of appearing on FOX News Sunday. Brennan and the other heads of the Intelligence Community have taken a leading role in the desperate character assassination campaign that is intended to undermine public confidence in Trump in order to foil his attempts at resetting relations with Russia. The CIA’s involvement in the coups in Ukraine and Honduras, as well as the agency’s funding, arming and training of Sunni militants that have destroyed Libya and Syria, attest to the fact that Brennan does not see peace and reconciliation as compatible with US foreign policy objectives. Like his elitist paymasters, Brennan is committed to perpetual war, regime change, and mass annihilation. Trump offers some relief from this 70 year-long nightmare policy. Check out this quote from Vice President-elect, Mike Pence on FOX News Sunday: >>> >>> “I think the president elect has made it very clear that we have a terrible relationship with Russia right now. And that’s not all our own doing, but really is a failure of American diplomacy in successive administrations. And what the president elect has determined to do is to explore the possibility of better relations. We have a common enemy in ISIS, and the ability to work with Russia to confront, hunt down and destroy ISIS at its source represents an enormously important priority of this incoming administration. But what the American people like about Donald Trump is that he’s someone who can sit down, roll his sleeves up and make a deal. And what you’re hearing in his reflections whether it be with Russia, or China or other countries in the world, is that we’re going to reengage. We’re going to put America first, we’re going to reengage in a way that advances America’s interests in the world and that advances peace.” >>> >>> Vice President-elect Mike Pence, FOX News Sunday >>> >>> The American people don’t want a war Russia, but US foreign policy elites do. Even now, after six years of carnage and destruction in Syria, elites at the Council on Foreign Relations are still resolved to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. (Re: “Aleppo’s Sobering Lessons,” Project Syndicate, by Richard Haas, President of the Council on Foreign Relations) The same is true at the Brookings Institute where chief strategist Michael O’ Hanlon leads the charge for splitting up the battered country so Washington can control vital pipeline corridors, establish military bases in the east, and eliminate a potential threat to Israeli expansion. Here’s a clip from a recent piece by O’ Hanlon that appeared in the Wall Street Journal. The author admits that the US goal is to splinter to country into multiple parts transforming it into a failed state: >>> >>> “To achieve peace, Syria will need self-governance within a number of autonomous zones. One option is a confederal system by which the whole country is divided into such zones. A less desirable but minimally acceptable alternative could be several autonomous zones within an otherwise still-centralized state—similar to how Iraqi Kurdistan has functioned for a quarter-century…. >>> >>> Many Syrians will not like the idea of a confederal nation, or even of a central government controlling half the country with the other half divided into three or four autonomous zones. … But the broad vision should be developed soon.” (Wall Street Journal) >>> >>> “Autonomous zones” in a “confederal system” is a sobriquet for a broken, Balkanized failed state run by tribal elders, disparate warlords and bloodthirsty jihadists. O’ Hanlon’s vision for Syria is a savage dysfunctional dystopia run by homicidal fanatics who rule with an iron fist. Is it any wonder why the Syrian people have fought tooth and nail to fend off the terrorist onslaught? >>> >>> The United States is entirely responsible for the death and decimation of Syria. It is absurd to think that either the Saudis, the Qataris or the Turks would have launched a war on a strategically-critical nation like Syria without a green light from Washington. The conflict is just the latest hotspot in Washington’s 15 year-long war of terror. The ultimate goal is to remove all secular Arab leaders who may pose a threat to US imperial ambitions, open up the region to US-dominated extractive industries, and foment enough extremism to legitimize a permanent military presence. >>> >>> Russia’s intervention into the Syrian conflict in September 2015, has cast doubt on Washington’s ability to prevail in the six year long war. The election of Donald Trump has further complicated matters by affecting a seismic shift in policy that could end the fighting and lead to improved relations between the US and Russia. Naturally, that is not in the interests of the vicious neocons or their liberal interventionist counterparts who see the proxy war in Syria as a pivotal part of their plan to clip Russia’s wings, discredit Putin in the eyes of the international community, and lay the groundwork for regime change in Moscow. Washington’s ultimate plan for Russia hews closely to that of Zbigniew Brzezinski who– in an titled “A Geostrategy for Eurasia”– had this to say: >>> >>> “Given (Russia’s) size and diversity, a decentralized political system and free-market economics would be most likely to unleash the creative potential of the Russian people and Russia’s vast natural resources. A loosely confederated Russia — composed of a European Russia, a Siberian Republic, and a Far Eastern Republic — would also find it easier to cultivate closer economic relations with its neighbors. Each of the confederated entitles would be able to tap its local creative potential, stifled for centuries by Moscow’s heavy bureaucratic hand. In turn, a decentralized Russia would be less susceptible to imperial mobilization.” (Zbigniew Brzezinski, A Geostrategy for Eurasia, Foreign Affairs, 76:5, September/October 1997) >>> >>> In other words, Washington’s plan for Russia is no different than its plan for Syria. Both countries will be chopped up into smaller bite-size enclaves eliminating the possibility of a strong nationalist government rising up and resisting Washington’s relentless exploitation and repression. It’s divide and conquer writ large. >>> >>> “A loosely confederated Russia” also fits perfectly with Washington’s top priority to spread military bases across Asia, control crucial energy supplies, force open and dominate financial markets, impose Washington’s neoliberal economic policies, and maintain a stranglehold on China’s growth. It’s the Great Game all over again, and Washington is “In it to win it.” >>> >>> Here’s an excerpt from a speech Hillary Clinton gave in 2011 titled “America’s Pacific Century”. The speech underscores the importance that elites attach to the “rebalancing” plan contained in the term “pivot to Asia”. The strategy relies on the opening up of new markets to US corporations and Wall Street, controlling critical resources, and “forging a broad-based military presence” across the continent. Washington intends to be the main player in the world’s most prosperous region. Here’s Clinton: >>> >>> “The future of politics will be decided in Asia, not Afghanistan or Iraq, and the United States will be right at the center of the action…. One of the most important tasks of American statecraft over the next decade will therefore be to lock in a substantially increased investment — diplomatic, economic, strategic, and otherwise — in the Asia-Pacific region… >>> >>> Harnessing Asia’s growth and dynamism is central to American economic and strategic interests and a key priority for President Obama. Open markets in Asia provide the United States with unprecedented opportunities for investment, trade, and access to cutting-edge technology…..American firms (need) to tap into the vast and growing consumer base of Asia…The region already generates more than half of global output and nearly half of global trade. As we strive to meet President Obama’s goal of doubling exports by 2015, we are looking for opportunities to do even more business in Asia… >>> >>> (“America’s Pacific Century”, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton”, Foreign Policy Magazine, 2011) >>> >>> As we noted earlier, the pivot to Asia is Washington’s top priority. Clinton merely confirms what geopolitical strategist Zbigniew Brzezinski had laid out in his 1997 magnum opus The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives. Here’s a short excerpt from the book: >>> >>> “For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia… (p.30)….. Eurasia is the globe’s largest continent and is geopolitically axial. A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world’s three most advanced and economically productive regions. ….About 75 per cent of the world’s people live in Eurasia, and most of the world’s physical wealth is there as well, both in its enterprises and underneath its soil. Eurasia accounts for 60 per cent of the world’s GNP and about three-fourths of the world’s known energy resources.” (p.31) >>> >>> For Washington to achieve its foreign policy objectives, it must eliminate or defeat all emerging threats to its dominance. In practical terms, that means the Russo-Sino plan to transform Europe and Asia into a giant free trade zone that extends from Lisbon to Vladivostok– must be sabotaged by any means possible. The State Department’s coup in Kiev as well as aggressive efforts to restrict the flow of Russian gas to the EU via Nord Stream and South Stream, have at least temporarily succeeded in undermining Moscow’s plan for accelerated economic integration. Had Hillary won the election, the US would have stepped up its provocations, its sanctions, its military buildup on Russia’s borders, its gas war, its attacks on Russia’s markets and currency, and its proxy wars in Syria and Ukraine. But now that Trump has been thrown into the mix, anything is possible. Even a fundamental change in the policy. >>> >>> The question is whether the deep state powerbrokers –who have already launched a number of attacks on Trump in the media — will throw in the towel and allow Trump to develop his own independent foreign policy or take steps to have him removed from office. >>> >>> Early indications suggest that a coup is already underway. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 20 12:56:04 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:56:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> Message-ID: Cindy, I was involved in organizing the Counter Inaugural in DC in 1973, but I won’t be anywhere today. I have however, been doing exactly as you suggest on a regular basis, monthly, weekly, daily, with AWARE, and others. Todays program locally according to information I received is focusing as a #1 priority, support and protection for ACA, I support Single Payer, or Medicare for All. ACA helps many, but it hurts many as well, You are correct, what we need is leadership and unification, as well as information which is lacking. Keep up, what you’re doing, talking with others, that is the way to go. Sanders did a lot during the primaries to raise awareness of domestic issues, unfortunately, he did nothing in respect to foreign policy which is something that needs to be addressed. Many are afraid to do so. Survival of humanity depends upon current US foreign policy and global warming being halted, before it’s too late. Many like Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges, etc. fear it may already be too late. So time is of the essence. On Jan 19, 2017, at 20:58, CindyMann > wrote: Thanks, I hope you do too. Maybe coming out to one of the marches and passing out information that you have would help tell people about the specifics that you want them to be more aware of. I certainly discuss such things with other people often, and I know many people who are concerned about them. I am not, however a great speaker, and most of my discussions are limited to friends, who often already know more than I do. Maybe it's the kind of friends I have, but I don't find many of them need to be convinced to care. A lot of people care, and perhaps what we are still in need of is focus and leadership. We endorse and send support to various organizations, which I think do good, but we are still in need of leadership on a national level if national policy is going to change. Certainly some of us had hope for that in Senator Sanders, and maybe he is still going to be leading people in that. C. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: I hope you, given your concern for others, take the opportunity to communicate with women who are there, to the crisis that many women are facing, whether the Water Protectors, or those we are bombing, and starving throughout the Middle East, and Africa, we need more women like you, to be concerned for others welfare. Thank you for your efforts. On Jan 19, 2017, at 17:56, CindyMann > wrote: As someone going to a march, my concern is for everyone. That callous rhetoric is dehumanizing, for everyone. It does matter. So is the sexual abuse and defense of predation he has displayed. Many people are going for that. C. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram > wrote: The President is unlikely to have an impact on Roe vs. Wade, however those he has appointed may. Of course this has been an ongoing project for some time, with the closing down of Planned Parenthood Clinics, under the Obama Presidency While the march is focusing on several issues, some of which I support, there is almost no concern being shown for the thousands, millions of women killed as a result of US wars. What seems to be bringing on the crowds is concern over the “glass ceiling” and “callous rhetoric”. One can hope that those women going to DC, who are concerned with the lives of non American women being slaughtered along with their children by the USG, will have an opportunity to speak or engage, in the enlightenment of others. > On Jan 19, 2017, at 16:53, E. Wayne Johnson > wrote: > > It is feared that Donald Trump will turn back Roe v. Wade. Abortion is instituted as a national eugenics program but it is popularized successfully as a women's rights issue. > > Those is power who were not interested in the esoteric points of genetics were swayed by the prospect of having their peccadillos managed medically at the expense of the state. > > Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone > > ---- Karen Aram wrote ---- > >> Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to if they support women. >> What is meant by support? >> Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. >> Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. >> >> Human Rights Watch NYC. >> >> >>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook > wrote: >>> >>> A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, >>> >>> "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. 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[https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBgJOmaErgdd8Fw&w=487&h=255&url=https%3A%2F%2Fimg.rt.com%2Ffiles%2F2017.01%2Farticle%2F588122a7c46188bb2b8b457c.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=10&sw=790&sh=414&_nc_hash=AQD397gpgx8P1lM4] Severely malnourished Yemeni children in urgent need of help filmed by RT Arabic (DISTURBING IMAGES) Shocking scenes of children suffering from acute malnutrition as well as skin diseases and other illnesses at a hospital in Al Hudaydah province, Yemen, have… RT.COM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 20 15:49:33 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:49:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Thought for today Message-ID: What did we learn in Kindergarten, or from Mom? “Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me.” Now, we know thats not true, names and "callous rhetoric" do hurt, especially the young. Once we’re adults we should be stronger than that. What does hurt, is seeing children’s bodies torn apart by bombs and/or drones, watching them starved to death in our arms because we have no access to food or water. Thats pain that lasts forever. KAREN ARAM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cindymann at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 01:56:29 2017 From: cindymann at gmail.com (CindyMann) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:56:29 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> Message-ID: As someone going to a march, my concern is for everyone. That callous rhetoric is dehumanizing, for everyone. It does matter. So is the sexual abuse and defense of predation he has displayed. Many people are going for that. C. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > The President is unlikely to have an impact on Roe vs. Wade, however those > he has appointed may. Of course this has been an ongoing project for some > time, with the closing down of Planned Parenthood Clinics, under the Obama > Presidency > > While the march is focusing on several issues, some of which I support, > there is almost no concern being shown for the thousands, millions of women > killed as a result of US wars. What seems to be bringing on the crowds is > concern over the “glass ceiling” and “callous rhetoric”. > > One can hope that those women going to DC, who are concerned with the > lives of non American women being slaughtered along with their children by > the USG, will have an opportunity to speak or engage, in the enlightenment > of others. > > > On Jan 19, 2017, at 16:53, E. Wayne Johnson wrote: > > > > It is feared that Donald Trump will turn back Roe v. Wade. Abortion is > instituted as a national eugenics program but it is popularized > successfully as a women's rights issue. > > > > Those is power who were not interested in the esoteric points of > genetics were swayed by the prospect of having their peccadillos managed > medically at the expense of the state. > > > > Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone > > > > ---- Karen Aram wrote ---- > > > >> Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to if > they support women. > >> What is meant by support? > >> Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are > women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to > air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama > presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, > training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. > >> Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. > >> > >> Human Rights Watch NYC. > >> > >> > >>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook wrote: > >>> > >>> A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which I'd > expressed hesitation) says of the following, > >>> > >>> "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I > think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. And > more Marian than I'd realized til I read this." > >>> > >>> https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/standing-mary-foot-cross > >>> > >>> --CGE > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Prairiegreens mailing list > >>> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net > >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens > >>> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Prairiegreens mailing list > >> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net > >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens > >> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ > > _______________________________________________ > Prairiegreens mailing list > Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens > http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cindymann at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 04:36:57 2017 From: cindymann at gmail.com (CindyMann) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:36:57 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> Message-ID: You're saying that you don't think Trump's offense is real? That he is putting on an act? While it does often seem to me that there is a great deal of insincerity in his behavior, it's also hard to fathom what his purpose in this act would be. But, I'm not him, and I guess only time will tell. I hope time doesn't also see a lot of damage from him and the people he is appointing. C. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 8:43 PM, E. Wayne Johnson wrote: > I'm not convinced by the feigned offense. > > Chico (pronounced chick-o) Marx was at least as crass as Trump and > everyone thinks he is a traditional gentleman (or so I am told)... and no > one much complains about Brad Pitt's outbursts...at least I dont hear of it > much. > > The offense is seems far too contrived to be real... > > Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone > > ---- CindyMann wrote ---- > > > As someone going to a march, my concern is for everyone. That callous > rhetoric is dehumanizing, for everyone. It does matter. So is the sexual > abuse and defense of predation he has displayed. Many people are going for > that. > > C. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > >> The President is unlikely to have an impact on Roe vs. Wade, however >> those he has appointed may. Of course this has been an ongoing project for >> some time, with the closing down of Planned Parenthood Clinics, under the >> Obama Presidency >> >> While the march is focusing on several issues, some of which I support, >> there is almost no concern being shown for the thousands, millions of women >> killed as a result of US wars. What seems to be bringing on the crowds is >> concern over the “glass ceiling” and “callous rhetoric”. >> >> One can hope that those women going to DC, who are concerned with the >> lives of non American women being slaughtered along with their children by >> the USG, will have an opportunity to speak or engage, in the enlightenment >> of others. >> >> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 16:53, E. Wayne Johnson wrote: >> > >> > It is feared that Donald Trump will turn back Roe v. Wade. Abortion is >> instituted as a national eugenics program but it is popularized >> successfully as a women's rights issue. >> > >> > Those is power who were not interested in the esoteric points of >> genetics were swayed by the prospect of having their peccadillos managed >> medically at the expense of the state. >> > >> > Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone >> > >> > ---- Karen Aram wrote ---- >> > >> >> Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to >> if they support women. >> >> What is meant by support? >> >> Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are >> women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to >> air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama >> presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, >> training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. >> >> Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. >> >> >> >> Human Rights Watch NYC. >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook wrote: >> >>> >> >>> A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which >> I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, >> >>> >> >>> "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I >> think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. And >> more Marian than I'd realized til I read this." >> >>> >> >>> https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/standing-mary-foot-cross >> >>> >> >>> --CGE >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Prairiegreens mailing list >> >>> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >> >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >> >>> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Prairiegreens mailing list >> >> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >> >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >> >> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Prairiegreens mailing list >> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cindymann at gmail.com Fri Jan 20 04:58:43 2017 From: cindymann at gmail.com (CindyMann) Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 22:58:43 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] Women's March In-Reply-To: References: <44582c0148e44e9fe7730838517344e3@shout.net> <4n4o4bwq9wk2igy14wfhtbp3.1484867756142@email.android.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I hope you do too. Maybe coming out to one of the marches and passing out information that you have would help tell people about the specifics that you want them to be more aware of. I certainly discuss such things with other people often, and I know many people who are concerned about them. I am not, however a great speaker, and most of my discussions are limited to friends, who often already know more than I do. Maybe it's the kind of friends I have, but I don't find many of them need to be convinced to care. A lot of people care, and perhaps what we are still in need of is focus and leadership. We endorse and send support to various organizations, which I think do good, but we are still in need of leadership on a national level if national policy is going to change. Certainly some of us had hope for that in Senator Sanders, and maybe he is still going to be leading people in that. C. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > I hope you, given your concern for others, take the opportunity to > communicate with women who are there, to the crisis that many women are > facing, whether the Water Protectors, or those we are bombing, and starving > throughout the Middle East, and Africa, we need more women like you, to be > concerned for others welfare. Thank you for your efforts. > > On Jan 19, 2017, at 17:56, CindyMann wrote: > > As someone going to a march, my concern is for everyone. That callous > rhetoric is dehumanizing, for everyone. It does matter. So is the sexual > abuse and defense of predation he has displayed. Many people are going for > that. > > C. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Karen Aram wrote: > >> The President is unlikely to have an impact on Roe vs. Wade, however >> those he has appointed may. Of course this has been an ongoing project for >> some time, with the closing down of Planned Parenthood Clinics, under the >> Obama Presidency >> >> While the march is focusing on several issues, some of which I support, >> there is almost no concern being shown for the thousands, millions of women >> killed as a result of US wars. What seems to be bringing on the crowds is >> concern over the “glass ceiling” and “callous rhetoric”. >> >> One can hope that those women going to DC, who are concerned with the >> lives of non American women being slaughtered along with their children by >> the USG, will have an opportunity to speak or engage, in the enlightenment >> of others. >> >> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 16:53, E. Wayne Johnson wrote: >> > >> > It is feared that Donald Trump will turn back Roe v. Wade. Abortion is >> instituted as a national eugenics program but it is popularized >> successfully as a women's rights issue. >> > >> > Those is power who were not interested in the esoteric points of >> genetics were swayed by the prospect of having their peccadillos managed >> medically at the expense of the state. >> > >> > Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone >> > >> > ---- Karen Aram wrote ---- >> > >> >> Nice, but what is the issue, and why women, yes I know men can go to >> if they support women. >> >> What is meant by support? >> >> Any mention of the deaths of women occurring in Somalia? They are >> women, women and children being starved, two million already dead due to >> air strikes for which our government, current government, meaning Obama >> presidency, is responsible for supporting. Supporting with weapons, >> training, logistics, all of that which the Saudi’s lack. >> >> Ten thousand in dire circumstances now. >> >> >> >> Human Rights Watch NYC. >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 08:34, C. G. Estabrook wrote: >> >>> >> >>> A close friend who's going to the Women's March in DC (about which >> I'd expressed hesitation) says of the following, >> >>> >> >>> "One CW thinking about women's march. As close as I've seen to how I >> think about it and other ways I've been spending my time these days. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 21 13:53:55 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:53:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fwd=3A_This_week_the_issue_is_not_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Trump=2E_It_is_ourselves=2E=A0John_Pilger?= References: <81e01f026144a7a39810a239b.6beeae6966.20170121115840.d0ed2850c3.3d5cb624@mail126.suw13.rsgsv.net> Message-ID: View this email in your browser [https://gallery.mailchimp.com/81e01f026144a7a39810a239b/images/b7da0a81-2085-4939-b6f7-38ab7d862a5f.png] [https://gallery.mailchimp.com/81e01f026144a7a39810a239b/images/205104c3-7569-4b7f-8ae9-465a4e1855e4.jpg] John Pilger Writes: On the day President Trump is inaugurated, thousands of writers in the United States will express their indignation. "In order for us to heal and move forward...", say Writers Resist, "we wish to bypass direct political discourse, in favour of an inspired focus on the future, and how we, as writers, can be a unifying force for the protection of democracy." And: "We urge local organizers and speakers to avoid using the names of politicians or adopting 'anti' language as the focus for their Writers Resist event. It's important to ensure that nonprofit organizations, which are prohibited from political campaigning, will feel confident participating in and sponsoring these events." Thus, real protest is to be avoided, for it is not tax exempt. Compare such drivel with the declarations of the Congress of American Writers, held at Carnegie Hall, New York, in 1935, and again two years later. They were electric events, with writers discussing how they could confront ominous events in Abyssinia, China and Spain. Telegrams from Thomas Mann, C Day Lewis, Upton Sinclair and Albert Einstein were read out, reflecting the fear that great power was now rampant and that it had become impossible to discuss art and literature without politics or, indeed, direct political action. "A writer," the journalist Martha Gellhorn told the second congress, "must be a man of action now... A man who has given a year of his life to steel strikes, or to the unemployed, or to the problems of racial prejudice, has not lost or wasted time. He is a man who has known where he belonged. If you should survive such action, what you have to say about it afterwards is the truth, is necessary and real, and it will last." Her words echo across the unction and violence of the Obama era and the silence of those who colluded with his deceptions. That the menace of rapacious power - rampant long before the rise of Trump - has been accepted by writers, many of them privileged and celebrated, and by those who guard the gates of literary criticism, and culture, including popular culture, is uncontroversial. Not for them the impossibility of writing and promoting literature bereft of politics. Not for them the responsibility to speak out, regardless of who occupies the White House. Today, false symbolism is all. "Identity" is all. In 2016, Hillary Clinton stigmatised millions of voters as "a basket of deplorables, racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic - you name it". Her abuse was handed out at an LGBT rally as part of her cynical campaign to win over minorities by abusing a white mostly working-class majority. Divide and rule, this is called; or identity politics in which race and gender conceal class, and allow the waging of class war. Trump understood this. "When the truth is replaced by silence," said the Soviet dissident poet Yevtushenko, "the silence is a lie." This is not an American phenomenon. A few years ago, Terry Eagleton, then professor of English literature at Manchester University, reckoned that "for the first time in two centuries, there is no eminent British poet, playwright or novelist prepared to question the foundations of the western way of life". No Shelley speaks for the poor, no Blake for utopian dreams, no Byron damns the corruption of the ruling class, no Thomas Carlyle and John Ruskin reveal the moral disaster of capitalism. William Morris, Oscar Wilde, HG Wells, George Bernard Shaw have no equivalents today. Harold Pinter was the last to raise his voice. Among today's insistent voices of consumer-feminism, none echoes Virginia Woolf, who described "the arts of dominating other people... of ruling, of killing, of acquiring land and capital". There is something both venal and profoundly stupid about famous writers as they venture outside their cosseted world and embrace an "issue". Across the Review section of the Guardian on 10 December was a dreamy picture of Barack Obama looking up to the heavens and the words, "Amazing Grace" and "Farewell the Chief". The sycophancy ran like a polluted babbling brook through page after page. "He was a vulnerable figure in many ways ... But the grace. The all-encompassing grace: in manner and form, in argument and intellect, with humour and cool ... [He] is a blazing tribute to what has been, and what can be again ... He seems ready to keep fighting, and remains a formidable champion to have on our side ... ... The grace ... the almost surreal levels of grace ..." I have conflated these quotes. There are others even more hagiographic and bereft of mitigation. The Guardian's chief apologist for Obama, Gary Younge, has always been careful to mitigate, to say that his hero "could have done more": oh, but there were the "calm, measured and consensual solutions..." None of them, however, could surpass the American writer, Ta-Nehisi Coates, the recipient of a "genius" grant worth $625,000 from a liberal foundation. In an interminable essay for The Atlanticentitled, "My President Was Black", Coates brought new meaning to prostration. The final "chapter", entitled "When You Left, You Took All of Me With You", a line from a Marvin Gaye song, describes seeing the Obamas "rising out of the limo, rising up from fear, smiling, waving, defying despair, defying history, defying gravity". The Ascension, no less. One of the persistent strands in American political life is a cultish extremism that approaches fascism. This was given expression and reinforced during the two terms of Barack Obama. "I believe in American exceptionalism with every fibre of my being," said Obama, who expanded America's favourite military pastime, bombing, and death squads ("special operations") as no other president has done since the Cold War. According to a Council on Foreign Relations survey, in 2016 alone Obama dropped 26,171 bombs. That is 72 bombs every day. He bombed the poorest people on earth, in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan. Every Tuesday - reported the New York Times - he personally selected those who would be murdered by mostly hellfire missiles fired from drones. Weddings, funerals, shepherds were attacked, along with those attempting to collect the body parts festooning the "terrorist target". A leading Republican senator, Lindsey Graham, estimated, approvingly, that Obama's drones killed 4,700 people. "Sometimes you hit innocent people and I hate that," he said, but we've taken out some very senior members of Al Qaeda." Like the fascism of the 1930s, big lies are delivered with the precision of a metronome: thanks to an omnipresent media whose description now fits that of the Nuremberg prosecutor: "Before each major aggression, with some few exceptions based on expediency, they initiated a press campaign calculated to weaken their victims and to prepare the German people psychologically... In the propaganda system... it was the daily press and the radio that were the most important weapons. Take the catastrophe in Libya. In 2011, Obama said Libyan president Muammar Gaddafi was planning "genocide" against his own people. "We knew... that if we waited one more day, Benghazi, a city the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world." This was the known lie of Islamist militias facing defeat by Libyan government forces. It became the media story; and Nato - led by Obama and Hillary Clinton - launched 9,700 "strike sorties" against Libya, of which more than a third were aimed at civilian targets. Uranium warheads were used; the cities of Misurata and Sirte were carpet-bombed. The Red Cross identified mass graves, and Unicef reported that "most [of the children killed] were under the age of ten". Under Obama, the US has extended secret "special forces" operations to 138 countries, or 70 per cent of the world's population. The first African-American president launched what amounted to a full-scale invasion of Africa. Reminiscent of the Scramble for Africa in the late 19th century, the US African Command (Africom) has built a network of supplicants among collaborative African regimes eager for American bribes and armaments. Africom's "soldier to soldier" doctrine embeds US officers at every level of command from general to warrant officer. Only pith helmets are missing. It is as if Africa's proud history of liberation, from Patrice Lumumba to Nelson Mandela, is consigned to oblivion by a new master's black colonial elite whose "historic mission", warned Frantz Fanon half a century ago, is the promotion of "a capitalism rampant though camouflaged". It was Obama who, in 2011, announced what became known as the "pivot to Asia", in which almost two-thirds of US naval forces would be transferred to the Asia-Pacific to "confront China", in the words of his Defence Secretary. There was no threat from China; the entire enterprise was unnecessary. It was an extreme provocation to keep the Pentagon and its demented brass happy. In 2014, the Obama's administration oversaw and paid for a fascist-led coup in Ukraine against the democratically-elected government, threatening Russia in the western borderland through Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, with a loss of 27 million lives. It was Obama who placed missiles in Eastern Europe aimed at Russia, and it was the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize who increased spending on nuclear warheads to a level higher than that of any administration since the cold war - having promised, in an emotional speech in Prague, to "help rid the world of nuclear weapons". Obama, the constitutional lawyer, prosecuted more whistleblowers than any other president in history, even though the US constitution protects them. He declared Chelsea Manning guilty before the end of a trial that was a travesty. Although Manning is to be released in May, Obama has refused to quash the outrageous sentence under which he suffered seven years of inhumane treatment, which the UN said amounted to torture. He has pursued an entirely bogus case against Julian Assange. He promised to close the Guantanamo concentration camp and didn't. Following the public relations disaster of George W. Bush, Obama, the smooth operator from Chicago via Harvard, was enlisted to restore what he calls "leadership" throughout the world. The Nobel Prize committee's decision was part of this: the kind of cloying reverse racism that beatified the man for no reason other than he was attractive to liberal sensibilities and, of course, American power, if not to the children he kills in impoverished, mostly Muslim countries. This is the Call of Obama. It is not unlike a dog whistle: inaudible to most, irresistible to the besotted and boneheaded, especially "liberal brains pickled in the formaldehyde of identity politics," as Luciana Bohne put it. "When Obama walks into a room," gushed George Clooney, "you want to follow him somewhere, anywhere." William I. Robinson, professor at the University of California, and one of an uncontaminated group of American strategic thinkers who have retained their independence during the years of intellectual dog-whistling since 9/11, wrote this last week: "President Barack Obama... may have done more than anyone to assure [Donald] Trump's victory. While Trump's election has triggered a rapid expansion of fascist currents in US civil society, a fascist outcome for the political system is far from inevitable.... But that fight back requires clarity as to how we got to such a dangerous precipice. The seeds of 21st century fascism were planted, fertilized and watered by the Obama administration and the politically bankrupt liberal elite." Robinson points out that "whether in its 20th or its emerging 21st century variants, fascism is, above all, a response to deep structural crises of capitalism, such as that of the 1930s and the one that began with the financial meltdown in 2008... There is a near-straight line here from Obama to Trump... The liberal elite's refusal to challenge the rapaciousness of transnational capital and its brand of identity politics served to eclipse the language of the working and popular classes... pushing white workers into an 'identity' of white nationalism and helping the neo-fascists to organise them". The seedbed is Obama's Weimar Republic, a landscape of endemic poverty, militarised police and barbaric prisons: the consequence of a "market" extremism which, under his presidency, prompted the transfer of $14 trillion in public money to criminal enterprises in Wall Street. Perhaps his greatest "legacy" is the co-option and disorientation of any real opposition. Bernie Sanders' specious "revolution" does not apply. Propaganda is his triumph. The lies about Russia - in whose elections the US has openly intervened - have made the world's most self-important journalists laughing stocks. In the country with constitutionally the freest press in the world, free journalism now exists only in its honourable exceptions. The obsession with Trump is a cover for many of those calling themselves "left/liberal", as if to claim political decency. They are not "left", neither are they especially "liberal". Much of America's aggression towards the rest of humanity has come from so-called liberal Democratic administrations - such as Obama's. America's political spectrum extends from the mythical centre to the lunar right. The "left" are homeless renegades Martha Gellhorn described as "a rare and wholly admirable fraternity". She excluded those who confuse politics with a fixation on their navels. While they "heal" and "move forward", will the Writers Resist campaigners and other anti-Trumpists reflect upon this? More to the point: when will a genuine movement of opposition arise? Angry, eloquent, all-for-one-and-one-for all. 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Yes I am certain that the IDIOTS on the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty believe that figure. To paraphrase Machiavelli in The Prince: Those who seek to deceive will always find those willing to be deceived. No wonder the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty were ranked the No. 47 Law School in the country last year. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 15:16:29 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 15:16:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG Message-ID: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 15:29:04 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 15:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <827166960.2069978.1485098944058@mail.yahoo.com> In sharp contrast, the next page contains the now-regular column by the liberal interventionist Trudy Rubin, with the conventional wisdom about NATO and security. We must remember that the "security interests" often referred to are the financial interests of a few thousand families. And it should be noted as well that in this day and age, putting a female face on warmongering has become de rigueur. That's perhaps something we should think about on the day after women's marches across the country. DG On Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:16 AM, "Boyle, Francis A" wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held  out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations."   The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!”     Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only)   Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump   | By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more | View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 22 15:29:38 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 15:29:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 15:31:19 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 09:31:19 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D9F8829-1573-45B2-9E2A-92E6F1EC5549@illinois.edu> Francis-- Yes, the “leading political commentator” (as so often for me, since I first heard him speak, over 40 years ago) is Noam Chomsky. And you’re right about the NG's writing their own titles for letters ('guest commentaries,’ too), but my original wasn’t too different (if more grammatical): “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” Thanks for posting it. —CGE > On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: > "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." > > The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > Feed: News-Gazette.com > Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM > Author: digital.media > Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump > > By C.G. ESTABROOK > > The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: > > "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. > > read more > > > View article... > From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 15:39:23 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 15:39:23 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: <827166960.2069978.1485098944058@mail.yahoo.com> References: <827166960.2069978.1485098944058@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yeah David. Speaking of the devil right now you have Anne-Marie Slaughtered on Fareed Zakaria CNN pontificating. Slaughtered was behind me at HLS, worked for Killary at State and was pivotal in Obama’s destruction of Libya and the genocidal extermination of 50,000+ Muslims/Arabs/Africans living there, along with Obama’s UN Ambassador Sam Our Problem From Hell Power, also behind me at HLS, who will probably return to teaching “human rights” at Harvard’s Kennedy School—a Front Organization for CIA/DOD. Two pretty White faces masking Obama/Clinton/KillerKoh genocide against People of Color all over the Muslim/Arab/African/Asian world. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Green [mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:29 AM To: Boyle, Francis A ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In sharp contrast, the next page contains the now-regular column by the liberal interventionist Trudy Rubin, with the conventional wisdom about NATO and security. We must remember that the "security interests" often referred to are the financial interests of a few thousand families. And it should be noted as well that in this day and age, putting a female face on warmongering has become de rigueur. That's perhaps something we should think about on the day after women's marches across the country. DG On Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:16 AM, "Boyle, Francis A" > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 15:44:04 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 09:44:04 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see >. —CGE > On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > >> An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. > > >> On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: >> >> He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. >> A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: >> "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." >> >> The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! >> Fab >> Ed Norton Professor of Law >> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >> “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” >> >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> Feed: News-Gazette.com >> Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM >> Author: digital.media >> Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump >> >> By C.G. ESTABROOK >> >> The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: >> >> "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. >> >> read more >> >> View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 22 16:03:46 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 16:03:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see . —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 16:09:16 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 16:09:16 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: <4D9F8829-1573-45B2-9E2A-92E6F1EC5549@illinois.edu> References: <4D9F8829-1573-45B2-9E2A-92E6F1EC5549@illinois.edu> Message-ID: My sincerest thanks again to Carl to be the first to let me launch my Campaign against the Gang of Sick Puppies on the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty for inviting Obama/Killary Killer Koh out here in order specifically to promote what Chomsky called: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." In my numerous emails against KillerKOH to the SICK PUPPIES of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty during the summer of 2015, about 17 months beforehand, I repeatedly told the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty that the Obama/Killary/KillerKoh drone murder campaign against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color constitutes Nuremberg War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity that verges upon genocide against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color, with ample documentation to that effect. It made no difference to the Gang of Sick Puppies on the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. In fact, it only strengthened their determination to bring KillerKoh out to lecture here ten days before the presidential election in order to get Killary elected president and give Killer/Koh some high level spot in the Killary administration with cushy slots for themselves. Fortunately, we dodged that bullet of a Killary/KillerKoh administration and potentially World War 3 against Russia despite the worst efforts by the Gang of Sick Puppies on the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. THEY ARE ALL JUST A GANG OF SICK PUPPIES WHO ARE NOT FIT TO EDUCATE LAWYERS, MEMBERS OF THE BAR, AND OFFICERS OF THE COURT! Fab. Lawyer since January 10, 1977 Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:31 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG Francis-- Yes, the “leading political commentator” (as so often for me, since I first heard him speak, over 40 years ago) is Noam Chomsky. And you’re right about the NG's writing their own titles for letters ('guest commentaries,’ too), but my original wasn’t too different (if more grammatical): “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” Thanks for posting it. —CGE > On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:16 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: > "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." > > The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! > Fab > Ed Norton Professor of Law > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > Feed: News-Gazette.com > Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM > Author: digital.media > Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump > > By C.G. ESTABROOK > > The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: > > "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. > > read more > > > View article... > From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 22 16:10:08 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 16:10:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <827166960.2069978.1485098944058@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anne Marie Slaughter kept arguing for “no fly zones”, over Libya, we know the results of that horror. Samantha Power, Victoria Nuland, there is another Anne Marie whose last name escapes me, now working with an NGO in S. Africa on behalf of false flags, Hillary, Madeline Albright, the list goes on. Not pretty faces, but women, which is appalling given the highly capable good women available for positions of power but are never given the opportunity because they don’t represent the “Deep State” robotic profile of "kill without care”. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:39, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Yeah David. Speaking of the devil right now you have Anne-Marie Slaughtered on Fareed Zakaria CNN pontificating. Slaughtered was behind me at HLS, worked for Killary at State and was pivotal in Obama’s destruction of Libya and the genocidal extermination of 50,000+ Muslims/Arabs/Africans living there, along with Obama’s UN Ambassador Sam Our Problem From Hell Power, also behind me at HLS, who will probably return to teaching “human rights” at Harvard’s Kennedy School—a Front Organization for CIA/DOD. Two pretty White faces masking Obama/Clinton/KillerKoh genocide against People of Color all over the Muslim/Arab/African/Asian world. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Green [mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:29 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria > Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In sharp contrast, the next page contains the now-regular column by the liberal interventionist Trudy Rubin, with the conventional wisdom about NATO and security. We must remember that the "security interests" often referred to are the financial interests of a few thousand families. And it should be noted as well that in this day and age, putting a female face on warmongering has become de rigueur. That's perhaps something we should think about on the day after women's marches across the country. DG On Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:16 AM, "Boyle, Francis A" > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 16:15:56 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 16:15:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <827166960.2069978.1485098944058@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Slaughtered was just a Light Weight behind me at Harvard Law School. But she does have a pretty White Face to mask aggression and genocide against People of Color in the Third World in order to steal their oil and gas. Ditto for Sam Our Problem From Hell Power. Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 10:10 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; Estabrook, Carl G ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG Anne Marie Slaughter kept arguing for “no fly zones”, over Libya, we know the results of that horror. Samantha Power, Victoria Nuland, there is another Anne Marie whose last name escapes me, now working with an NGO in S. Africa on behalf of false flags, Hillary, Madeline Albright, the list goes on. Not pretty faces, but women, which is appalling given the highly capable good women available for positions of power but are never given the opportunity because they don’t represent the “Deep State” robotic profile of "kill without care”. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:39, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Yeah David. Speaking of the devil right now you have Anne-Marie Slaughtered on Fareed Zakaria CNN pontificating. Slaughtered was behind me at HLS, worked for Killary at State and was pivotal in Obama’s destruction of Libya and the genocidal extermination of 50,000+ Muslims/Arabs/Africans living there, along with Obama’s UN Ambassador Sam Our Problem From Hell Power, also behind me at HLS, who will probably return to teaching “human rights” at Harvard’s Kennedy School—a Front Organization for CIA/DOD. Two pretty White faces masking Obama/Clinton/KillerKoh genocide against People of Color all over the Muslim/Arab/African/Asian world. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: David Green [mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:29 AM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria > Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In sharp contrast, the next page contains the now-regular column by the liberal interventionist Trudy Rubin, with the conventional wisdom about NATO and security. We must remember that the "security interests" often referred to are the financial interests of a few thousand families. And it should be noted as well that in this day and age, putting a female face on warmongering has become de rigueur. That's perhaps something we should think about on the day after women's marches across the country. DG On Sunday, January 22, 2017 9:16 AM, "Boyle, Francis A" > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 16:22:05 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 16:22:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Trump’s Secretary of War Mad Dog Mattis was responsible for the Massacre at Fallujah, which I pointed out on Counterpunch was a Nuremberg War Crime along the lines of the Nazis—the wanton devastation of a city-- in revenge for them killing our mercenaries. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 10:04 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see >. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 16:45:54 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 10:45:54 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: We’re all speculating on what direction the new administration’s foreign policy will take, while an extreme effort is being made by the Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations. Here’s one of the best weighing of the chances, I think (without completely agreeing with the prognosis): >. The task of the anti-war movement is to protest the USG’s reverting to type. Our local tv program, AWARE ON THE AIR, includes the following: "Anti-war groups around the US and around the world demand that President Trump ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; ~ (2) end US wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; ~ (3) cut US military spending by at least 50%; close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); and withdraw US 'special forces’ - death squads - active in more than 70% of the world’s countries; ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.” Readers of this note, members and friends of AWARE, are invited to participate in AWARE ON THE AIR, recorded unrehearsed Tuesdays at noon at Urbana Public Television. —CGE > On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. > > His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. > > Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. > > Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. > > >> On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” >> >> For more on that theme, see >. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: >>> >>>> An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: >>>> >>>> He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. >>>> A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: >>>> "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." >>>> >>>> The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! >>>> Fab >>>> Ed Norton Professor of Law >>>> Carl Schmitt College of Law: >>>> “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” >>>> >>>> >>>> Francis A. Boyle >>>> Law Building >>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>>> (personal comments only) >>>> >>>> Feed: News-Gazette.com >>>> Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM >>>> Author: digital.media >>>> Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump >>>> >>>> By C.G. ESTABROOK >>>> >>>> The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: >>>> >>>> "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. >>>> >>>> read more >>>> >>>> View article... >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 22 17:03:13 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 17:03:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I agree with everything Pepe has to say, when being optimistic and hopeful. I do see some glitches specifically in relation to the strength of BRICS. There is certainly strength in the relationship between China, Russia and Iran, they stand steadfastly against US hegemony, and they are way ahead of the US in respect to business and infrastructure opportunities, with the OBOR. If we can prevent the US from creating more “Kiev” false flags in North Africa, and elsewhere in the world, or further militarizing East Europe, and the South China Sea, there maybe hope. On Jan 22, 2017, at 08:45, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: We’re all speculating on what direction the new administration’s foreign policy will take, while an extreme effort is being made by the Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations. Here’s one of the best weighing of the chances, I think (without completely agreeing with the prognosis): . The task of the anti-war movement is to protest the USG’s reverting to type. Our local tv program, AWARE ON THE AIR, includes the following: "Anti-war groups around the US and around the world demand that President Trump ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; ~ (2) end US wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; ~ (3) cut US military spending by at least 50%; close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); and withdraw US 'special forces’ - death squads - active in more than 70% of the world’s countries; ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.” Readers of this note, members and friends of AWARE, are invited to participate in AWARE ON THE AIR, recorded unrehearsed Tuesdays at noon at Urbana Public Television. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see >. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 22 17:54:09 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 17:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Angry Arab sez References: <741829426.2215815.1485107649610.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <741829426.2215815.1485107649610@mail.yahoo.com> Politics aside--or it is all about politics--the US media's open and blatant war on Trump is rather unprecedented.  I have never seen anything like it.  I thought their bias against Trump would change after the transition, but it has not.  You may say: but isn't bias warranted? Bias against Trump is warranted if there was such a bias against Obama and Bush. But the bias is not what some of us wish to have: it is basically a protest by the establishment against the arrival of someone from outside the establishment.  I mean, could Weekly Standard's anger against Trump be well-intentioned and well-motivated? http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-medias-war-on-trump.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 18:35:55 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 12:35:55 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Angry Arab sez In-Reply-To: <741829426.2215815.1485107649610@mail.yahoo.com> References: <741829426.2215815.1485107649610.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <741829426.2215815.1485107649610@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19494666-4254-4A76-8F10-1A4AB742A795@illinois.edu> "It’s official: Donald Trump is the 45th president of the United States. But far more concerning than the inauguration of this authoritarian charlatan, this pussy-grabber-in-chief, is the hysterical response to him. From congressmen to celebs to the CIA, all corners of the elite are in open revolt against democracy. The smearing of ‘low-information’ voters, the whisper campaigns about Russian meddling and the refusal of the great and good to accept Trump as a ‘legitimate’ president reveal an elite contemptuous of the masses for the free choice they made at the ballot box. That’s a far bigger threat to democracy than the potential excesses of President Trump. And all true democrats must take up arms against it.” [spiked-online.com ] And the reason for it is the overriding necessity for the Democrats/neocons/‘deep state’ to keep Obama’s vicious war-making going and their fear that Trump may interfere with it. —CGE > On Jan 22, 2017, at 11:54 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Politics aside--or it is all about politics--the US media's open and blatant war on Trump is rather unprecedented. I have never seen anything like it. I thought their bias against Trump would change after the transition, but it has not. You may say: but isn't bias warranted? Bias against Trump is warranted if there was such a bias against Obama and Bush. But the bias is not what some of us wish to have: it is basically a protest by the establishment against the arrival of someone from outside the establishment. I mean, could Weekly Standard's anger against Trump be well-intentioned and well-motivated? > > http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-medias-war-on-trump.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 19:04:25 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 19:04:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations. That’s for sure. And ditto for the Sick Puppies on the Illinois Nazi Law Faculty. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:03 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Boyle, Francis A ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG I agree with everything Pepe has to say, when being optimistic and hopeful. I do see some glitches specifically in relation to the strength of BRICS. There is certainly strength in the relationship between China, Russia and Iran, they stand steadfastly against US hegemony, and they are way ahead of the US in respect to business and infrastructure opportunities, with the OBOR. If we can prevent the US from creating more “Kiev” false flags in North Africa, and elsewhere in the world, or further militarizing East Europe, and the South China Sea, there maybe hope. On Jan 22, 2017, at 08:45, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: We’re all speculating on what direction the new administration’s foreign policy will take, while an extreme effort is being made by the Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations. Here’s one of the best weighing of the chances, I think (without completely agreeing with the prognosis): >. The task of the anti-war movement is to protest the USG’s reverting to type. Our local tv program, AWARE ON THE AIR, includes the following: "Anti-war groups around the US and around the world demand that President Trump ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; ~ (2) end US wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; ~ (3) cut US military spending by at least 50%; close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); and withdraw US 'special forces’ - death squads - active in more than 70% of the world’s countries; ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.” Readers of this note, members and friends of AWARE, are invited to participate in AWARE ON THE AIR, recorded unrehearsed Tuesdays at noon at Urbana Public Television. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see >. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 19:25:55 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 19:25:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: "Francis Boyle" - BingNews Posted on: Saturday, January 21, 2017 6:12 PM Author: "Francis Boyle" - BingNews Subject: Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law Dr. Francis Boyle’s landmark book tells you how to run your own legal defense of civil resistance actions. This book is a must for any person who has taken part in a civil resistance action, or who has contemplated doing so. See how this defense can not ... View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 22 21:32:11 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 21:32:11 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations. Carl: As you and Belden know, Chomsky and I vigorously opposed every Reagan atrocity around the world, including and especially against the People of Color in Central America while Killer Koh was facilitating Reagan to inflict all his hideous atrocities from 1983 to 1985. I fully explained this to the Sick Puppies of the Illinois Nazis Law School Faculty in May of 2015, long before his speech here in October 2016. In their Sick and Demented Eyes, KillerKoh’s stints with Reagan and Obama fully qualified him to give their lecture on Being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. As you pointed out, there is no basic difference between the Dems, the NeoCons and the Repubs when it comes to warmongering and atrocities as proven by KillerKoh who worked for both Reagan and Obama. An Equal Opportunity, Bi-Partisan War Criminal for the American Empire as endorsed and promoted for emulation by the Sick Puppies of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 1:04 PM To: Karen Aram ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: RE: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations. That’s for sure. And ditto for the Sick Puppies on the Illinois Nazi Law Faculty. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:03 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG I agree with everything Pepe has to say, when being optimistic and hopeful. I do see some glitches specifically in relation to the strength of BRICS. There is certainly strength in the relationship between China, Russia and Iran, they stand steadfastly against US hegemony, and they are way ahead of the US in respect to business and infrastructure opportunities, with the OBOR. If we can prevent the US from creating more “Kiev” false flags in North Africa, and elsewhere in the world, or further militarizing East Europe, and the South China Sea, there maybe hope. On Jan 22, 2017, at 08:45, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: We’re all speculating on what direction the new administration’s foreign policy will take, while an extreme effort is being made by the Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations. Here’s one of the best weighing of the chances, I think (without completely agreeing with the prognosis): >. The task of the anti-war movement is to protest the USG’s reverting to type. Our local tv program, AWARE ON THE AIR, includes the following: "Anti-war groups around the US and around the world demand that President Trump ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; ~ (2) end US wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; ~ (3) cut US military spending by at least 50%; close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); and withdraw US 'special forces’ - death squads - active in more than 70% of the world’s countries; ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.” Readers of this note, members and friends of AWARE, are invited to participate in AWARE ON THE AIR, recorded unrehearsed Tuesdays at noon at Urbana Public Television. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see >. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 23 00:35:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 00:35:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And part of that work I did against the Reagan administration was to get Urbana and elsewhere adopted as Sanctuary Cities. Meanwhile from 1983 to 1985 Killer Koh was helping Reagan create refugees from their abattoirs in Central America that we were then trying to protect from Reagan sending them back there to be murdered by their Central American puppets. This was no Skin off the Noses of the Illini Nazis Law Faculty when they invited Killer Koh to speak here on October 28 to get Killary elected president 10 days later. As they saw it, it qualified Killer Koh for giving their endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a Gang of Sick Puppies all around! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:32 PM To: Karen Aram ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: RE: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations. Carl: As you and Belden know, Chomsky and I vigorously opposed every Reagan atrocity around the world, including and especially against the People of Color in Central America while Killer Koh was facilitating Reagan to inflict all his hideous atrocities from 1983 to 1985. I fully explained this to the Sick Puppies of the Illinois Nazis Law School Faculty in May of 2015, long before his speech here in October 2016. In their Sick and Demented Eyes, KillerKoh’s stints with Reagan and Obama fully qualified him to give their lecture on Being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. As you pointed out, there is no basic difference between the Dems, the NeoCons and the Repubs when it comes to warmongering and atrocities as proven by KillerKoh who worked for both Reagan and Obama. An Equal Opportunity, Bi-Partisan War Criminal for the American Empire as endorsed and promoted for emulation by the Sick Puppies of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 1:04 PM To: Karen Aram >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: RE: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations. That’s for sure. And ditto for the Sick Puppies on the Illinois Nazi Law Faculty. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:03 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG I agree with everything Pepe has to say, when being optimistic and hopeful. I do see some glitches specifically in relation to the strength of BRICS. There is certainly strength in the relationship between China, Russia and Iran, they stand steadfastly against US hegemony, and they are way ahead of the US in respect to business and infrastructure opportunities, with the OBOR. If we can prevent the US from creating more “Kiev” false flags in North Africa, and elsewhere in the world, or further militarizing East Europe, and the South China Sea, there maybe hope. On Jan 22, 2017, at 08:45, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: We’re all speculating on what direction the new administration’s foreign policy will take, while an extreme effort is being made by the Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations. Here’s one of the best weighing of the chances, I think (without completely agreeing with the prognosis): >. The task of the anti-war movement is to protest the USG’s reverting to type. Our local tv program, AWARE ON THE AIR, includes the following: "Anti-war groups around the US and around the world demand that President Trump ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; ~ (2) end US wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks; ~ (3) cut US military spending by at least 50%; close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); and withdraw US 'special forces’ - death squads - active in more than 70% of the world’s countries; ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.” Readers of this note, members and friends of AWARE, are invited to participate in AWARE ON THE AIR, recorded unrehearsed Tuesdays at noon at Urbana Public Television. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see >. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rwhelbig at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 00:43:14 2017 From: rwhelbig at gmail.com (Roger Helbig) Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 16:43:14 -0800 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: There was no massacre at Fallujah. This is nonsense. Mattis expected his troops to be peacekeepers. They brought soccer balls with them when they deployed. I would love to see your "so called" war crime indictment. Wonder how much of it is from your fertile Hate America imagination and how much from the fertile Arab anti-American propaganda organs. Doubt a single paragraph is actually based on fact. On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > *Trump’s Secretary of War Mad Dog Mattis was responsible for the Massacre > at Fallujah, which I pointed out on Counterpunch was a Nuremberg War Crime > along the lines of the Nazis—the wanton devastation of a city-- in revenge > for them killing our mercenaries. Fab.* > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only*) > > > > *From:* Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 10:04 AM > *To:* Estabrook, Carl G > *Cc:* Boyle, Francis A ; Jay Becker < > futureup2us at gmail.com>; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK < > carl at newsfromneptune.com>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J < > vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; > Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene > Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; > David Swanson ; Dave Trippel < > davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina > Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred > O'brien ; David Johnson ; > Joe Lauria ; David Green > *Subject:* Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG > > > > I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all > in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us > trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding > Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those > three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous > as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia > and China, while chipping away at Iran. > > > > His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to > Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. > > > > Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as > expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which > of the two Party’s are in power. > > > > Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not > over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will > focus on that which is most serious to survival. > > > > > > On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: > > > > My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new > administration.” > > > > For more on that theme, see columnists/201701191049765550-how-trump-presidency-will-play-out/ > > >. > > > > —CGE > > > > > > On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > > > An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the > title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression > that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we > just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting > Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. > > > > > > On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > > > He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and > conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme > terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed > thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of > children. > > A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to > letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I > think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law > Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers > and this Campus and our Good Community: > > "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone > assassinations." > > > > The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! > > Fab > > Ed Norton Professor of Law > > Carl Schmitt College of Law: > > “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” > > > > > > *Francis A. Boyle* > > *Law Building* > > *504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.* > > *Champaign IL 61820 USA* > > *217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)* > > *217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)* > > *(personal comments only*) > > > > *Feed:* News-Gazette.com > > *Posted on:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM > *Author:* digital.media > *Subject:* Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump > > > > *By C.G. ESTABROOK* > > The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: > > "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US > President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama > administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of > attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. > > read more > > > > View article... > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 23 01:52:06 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 01:52:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Karim A G [mailto:coffee at euro-comm.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:00 PM To: Karim A G Subject: A War Crime in Real Time http://www.counterpunch.org/boyle11152004.html November 15, 2004 A War Crime in Real Time Obliterating Fallujah By FRANCIS A. BOYLE The obliteration of Fallujah continues apace. Article 6(b) of the 1945 Nuremberg Charter defines a Nuremberg War Crime in relevant part as the ". . . wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages. . ." According to this definitive definition, the Bush Jr. administration's destruction of Fallujah constitutes a war crime for which Nazis were tried and executed. There is nothing surprising about that. Since the Bush Jr. administration's installation in power by the United States Supreme Court in January of 2001, the peoples of the world have witnessed a government in the United States of America that has demonstrated little if any respect for fundamental considerations of international law, international organizations, and human rights, let alone appreciation of the requirements for maintaining international peace and security. What the world has watched instead is a comprehensive and malicious assault upon the integrity of the international legal order by a group of men and women who are thoroughly Machiavellian in their perception of international relations and in their conduct of both foreign policy and domestic affairs. This is not simply a question of giving or withholding the benefit of the doubt when it comes to complicated matters of foreign affairs and defense policies to a U.S. government charged with the security of both its own citizens and those of its allies in Europe, the Western Hemisphere, and the Pacific. Rather, the Bush Jr. administration's foreign policy constitutes ongoing criminal activity under well-recognized principles of both international law and U.S. domestic law, in particular the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles. So their obliteration of Fallujah was to be expected. One generation ago the peoples of the world asked themselves: Where were the "good" Germans? Well, there were some good Germans. The Lutheran theologian and pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer was the foremost exemplar of someone who led a life of principled opposition to the Nazi-terror state even unto death. Today the peoples of the world are likewise asking themselves: Where are the "good" Americans? Well, there are some good Americans. Like three Catholic Nuns in Denver, they are getting arrested and going to jail for protesting against United States weapons of mass destruction (WMD) whose power for human extermination far exceeds even the wildest fantasies of Hitler and the Nazis. Or else for protesting against illegal U.S.. military interventions around the world. Just recently the Nuclear Resister estimated that since the Fall of 2002, there have been more than 9,500 anti-war related arrests in the United States alone. Many more will be coming. In international legal terms, the Bush Jr. administration itself should now be viewed as constituting an ongoing criminal conspiracy under international criminal law in violation of the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles, due to its formulation and undertaking of aggressive war policies that are legally akin to those perpetrated by the Nazi regime. As a consequence, American citizens possess the basic right under international law and the United States domestic law, including the U.S. Constitution, to engage in acts of non-violent civil resistance in order to prevent, impede, thwart, or terminate ongoing criminal activities perpetrated by U.S. government officials in their conduct of foreign affairs policies and military operations purported to relate to defense and counter-terrorism. This same right of civil resistance extends pari passu to all citizens of the world community of states. Everyone around the world has both the right and the duty under international law to resist ongoing criminal activities perpetrated by the Bush Jr. administration and its nefarious foreign accomplices such as Blair, Berlusconi, Howard, Koizumi, Kwasniewski, etc. by all non-violent means possible. If it is not so restrained, the Bush Jr. administration could very well precipitate a Third World War. The time for preventive action is now. Civil resistance is the way to go. People power can overcome power politics. Popular movements have succeeded in toppling tyrannical, dictatorial and authoritarian regimes throughout former Communist countries in Eastern Europe, as well as in Asia, and most recently in Latin America. It is time once again to exercise People Power here in the United States of America: "When in the Course of human Events. . . We hold these Truths to be self-evident. . . . we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and sacred Honor." Despite the best efforts by the Bush Jr. Leaguers to the contrary, we American Citizens still have our First Amendment Rights: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom to Petition our Government for the Redress of these massive Grievances, Civil Resistance, etc. We are going to have to start vigorously exercising all of our First Amendment Rights right now. We must use them or else, as the saying goes, we will lose them. We must act not only for the good of the Peoples of Southwest Asia, but for our future, that of our children, that of our nation as a democratic society committed to the Rule of Law and the U.S. Constitution. The Nazis had their "homeland" too Francis A. Boyle, Professor of Law, University of Illinois, is author of Foundations of World Order, Duke University Press, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, and Palestine, Palestinians and International Law, by Clarity Press. He can be reached at: FBOYLE at LAW.UIUC.EDU --- Subscribed as: fboyle at law.uiuc.edu; to unsubscribe send to al-awda-universalist-request at umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE as the SUBJECT. URL: Cc: Karen Aram ; Estabrook, Carl G ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG There was no massacre at Fallujah. This is nonsense. Mattis expected his troops to be peacekeepers. They brought soccer balls with them when they deployed. I would love to see your "so called" war crime indictment. Wonder how much of it is from your fertile Hate America imagination and how much from the fertile Arab anti-American propaganda organs. Doubt a single paragraph is actually based on fact. On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss > wrote: Trump’s Secretary of War Mad Dog Mattis was responsible for the Massacre at Fallujah, which I pointed out on Counterpunch was a Nuremberg War Crime along the lines of the Nazis—the wanton devastation of a city-- in revenge for them killing our mercenaries. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 10:04 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see >. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 23 02:13:21 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 02:13:21 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Mattis expected his troops to be peacekeepers. They brought soccer balls with them when they deployed. LOL! Marines don’t play soccer or teach kids to play soccer.. My Dad was a Marine. He invaded Saipan, Tinian and Okinawa before he became a Lawyer. Marines destroy anyone and anything that is in front of them as they are trained to do and did at Fallujah under Mattis—A Real Mad Dog War Criminal. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:52 PM To: 'Roger Helbig' Cc: Karen Aram ; Estabrook, Carl G ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG -----Original Message----- From: Karim A G [mailto:coffee at euro-comm.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:00 PM To: Karim A G Subject: A War Crime in Real Time http://www.counterpunch.org/boyle11152004.html November 15, 2004 A War Crime in Real Time Obliterating Fallujah By FRANCIS A. BOYLE The obliteration of Fallujah continues apace. Article 6(b) of the 1945 Nuremberg Charter defines a Nuremberg War Crime in relevant part as the ". . . wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages. . ." According to this definitive definition, the Bush Jr. administration's destruction of Fallujah constitutes a war crime for which Nazis were tried and executed. There is nothing surprising about that. Since the Bush Jr. administration's installation in power by the United States Supreme Court in January of 2001, the peoples of the world have witnessed a government in the United States of America that has demonstrated little if any respect for fundamental considerations of international law, international organizations, and human rights, let alone appreciation of the requirements for maintaining international peace and security. What the world has watched instead is a comprehensive and malicious assault upon the integrity of the international legal order by a group of men and women who are thoroughly Machiavellian in their perception of international relations and in their conduct of both foreign policy and domestic affairs. This is not simply a question of giving or withholding the benefit of the doubt when it comes to complicated matters of foreign affairs and defense policies to a U.S. government charged with the security of both its own citizens and those of its allies in Europe, the Western Hemisphere, and the Pacific. Rather, the Bush Jr. administration's foreign policy constitutes ongoing criminal activity under well-recognized principles of both international law and U.S. domestic law, in particular the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles. So their obliteration of Fallujah was to be expected. One generation ago the peoples of the world asked themselves: Where were the "good" Germans? Well, there were some good Germans. The Lutheran theologian and pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer was the foremost exemplar of someone who led a life of principled opposition to the Nazi-terror state even unto death. Today the peoples of the world are likewise asking themselves: Where are the "good" Americans? Well, there are some good Americans. Like three Catholic Nuns in Denver, they are getting arrested and going to jail for protesting against United States weapons of mass destruction (WMD) whose power for human extermination far exceeds even the wildest fantasies of Hitler and the Nazis. Or else for protesting against illegal U.S.. military interventions around the world. Just recently the Nuclear Resister estimated that since the Fall of 2002, there have been more than 9,500 anti-war related arrests in the United States alone. Many more will be coming. In international legal terms, the Bush Jr. administration itself should now be viewed as constituting an ongoing criminal conspiracy under international criminal law in violation of the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles, due to its formulation and undertaking of aggressive war policies that are legally akin to those perpetrated by the Nazi regime. As a consequence, American citizens possess the basic right under international law and the United States domestic law, including the U.S. Constitution, to engage in acts of non-violent civil resistance in order to prevent, impede, thwart, or terminate ongoing criminal activities perpetrated by U.S. government officials in their conduct of foreign affairs policies and military operations purported to relate to defense and counter-terrorism. This same right of civil resistance extends pari passu to all citizens of the world community of states. Everyone around the world has both the right and the duty under international law to resist ongoing criminal activities perpetrated by the Bush Jr. administration and its nefarious foreign accomplices such as Blair, Berlusconi, Howard, Koizumi, Kwasniewski, etc. by all non-violent means possible. If it is not so restrained, the Bush Jr. administration could very well precipitate a Third World War. The time for preventive action is now. Civil resistance is the way to go. People power can overcome power politics. Popular movements have succeeded in toppling tyrannical, dictatorial and authoritarian regimes throughout former Communist countries in Eastern Europe, as well as in Asia, and most recently in Latin America. It is time once again to exercise People Power here in the United States of America: "When in the Course of human Events. . . We hold these Truths to be self-evident. . . . we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and sacred Honor." Despite the best efforts by the Bush Jr. Leaguers to the contrary, we American Citizens still have our First Amendment Rights: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom to Petition our Government for the Redress of these massive Grievances, Civil Resistance, etc. We are going to have to start vigorously exercising all of our First Amendment Rights right now. We must use them or else, as the saying goes, we will lose them. We must act not only for the good of the Peoples of Southwest Asia, but for our future, that of our children, that of our nation as a democratic society committed to the Rule of Law and the U.S. Constitution. The Nazis had their "homeland" too Francis A. Boyle, Professor of Law, University of Illinois, is author of Foundations of World Order, Duke University Press, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, and Palestine, Palestinians and International Law, by Clarity Press. He can be reached at: FBOYLE at LAW.UIUC.EDU --- Subscribed as: fboyle at law.uiuc.edu; to unsubscribe send to al-awda-universalist-request at umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE as the SUBJECT. URL: > Cc: Karen Aram >; Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG There was no massacre at Fallujah. This is nonsense. Mattis expected his troops to be peacekeepers. They brought soccer balls with them when they deployed. I would love to see your "so called" war crime indictment. Wonder how much of it is from your fertile Hate America imagination and how much from the fertile Arab anti-American propaganda organs. Doubt a single paragraph is actually based on fact. On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss > wrote: Trump’s Secretary of War Mad Dog Mattis was responsible for the Massacre at Fallujah, which I pointed out on Counterpunch was a Nuremberg War Crime along the lines of the Nazis—the wanton devastation of a city-- in revenge for them killing our mercenaries. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 10:04 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see >. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 23 02:37:30 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 02:37:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Mad Dog Mattis the Nuremberg War Criminal. Fab. CONTROLLED PRESS IGNORES CRIMINAL OBLITERATION OF FALLUJAH By Christopher Bollyn American Free Press The controlled press has scrupulously avoided discussing the devastation and prima facie evidence of war crimes committed during the U.S. siege and assault of Fallujah. As Americans prepared for Thanksgiving, an estimated 100,000 residents of the besieged Iraqi city of Fallujah, trapped in their homes, struggled to survive without fresh food, water or electricity, reportedly cut off by U.S. forces on November 8. Meanwhile, on the streets of Fallujah, a city of more than 350,000, dogs gnawed on bloated and rotting corpses that remained unburied for weeks. Thousands of families in Fallujah were reported to be in a critical humanitarian situation after U.S. forces prevented the delivery of relief supplies. An Iraq Red Crescent Society (IRCS) humanitarian aid convoy, reportedly blocked by U.S. troops for more than two weeks, was allowed to deliver aid to residents in the heart of the city on November 25. On Thanksgiving, U.S. forces permitted the IRCS convoy carrying thousands of food parcels, blankets, tents and medical supplies to enter the city and allowed one of the clinics to be converted into a temporary hospital to treat the injured. Rana Sidani of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Geneva, Switzerland however, told American Free Press on Nov. 30 that "many civilians" were still prevented from receiving aid or medical care. At the beginning of the U.S. operation in Fallujah on Nov. 5, a hospital in the central Nazzal district of Fallujah was "reduced to rubble" as a result of U.S. air and artillery bombardment. "Only its façade, with a sign reading Nazzal Emergency Hospital, remained intact," Reuters reported. "A nearby compound used by the main Falluja Hospital to store medical supplies was also destroyed," witnesses told Reuters. Fallujah's main hospital was occupied by U.S. forces when the ground offensive began. These actions are apparent violations of international humanitarian law. "Bodies can be seen everywhere and people were crying when receiving the food parcels," Muhammad al-Nuri, a spokesman for the IRCS in Baghdad, said. "It is very sad. It is a human disaster." Al-Nuri said that it is difficult to move in the city due to the large number of dead bodies in the streets. The ICRS estimates there are more than 6,000 dead in Fallujah, al-Nuri said. AFP asked Major Jay Antonelli at the Coalition Press Information Center (CPIC) in Baghdad if the ICRS estimate of 6,000 dead in Fallujah was credible. "We do not keep a count of dead Iraqis," Antonelli said. Asked the same question, the ICRC's Sidani said, "We don't know." Antonelli said, "U.S. forces never blocked aid convoys from reaching the wounded. We only recommended to the aid convoys that they should not enter the city because the MNF [Multi-National Forces] could not guarantee their security or safety." "The ICRC is very worried about the humanitarian situation in Falluja," Sidani said. Asked what the ICRC was doing to alleviate the suffering in Fallujah, Sidani said: "We are reminding the parties of their responsibilities under international humanitarian law." It should be noted that the U.S.A. and Britain, the belligerent occupying powers in Iraq, are the two largest contributors to the ICRC, providing more than 42 percent of its budget for field operations. A second convoy from Baghdad, headed by Dr. Said Ismael Haki, the IRCS president, delivered aid to Fallujah on Nov. 26. "There are no houses left in Fallujah, only destroyed places." Haki said. "I really don't know how the people will return to the city. No one will find their homes." As U.S. troops in Fallujah engaged in what has been described as the most intense urban combat since Vietnam, the controlled press scrupulously avoided discussion or footage of the devastation of the rebellious Sunni city. For example, during the second week of the attack, rather than discuss the widespread devastation of Fallujah, U.S. television news programs focused largely on a brawl between basketball players and fans in Detroit. Lt. Col. Brandl, commander of the 1st Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, was filmed giving a "pep talk" to his marines: "The enemy has got a face – he's called Satan," Brandl said. "He's in Fallujah, and we're going to destroy him." At least 136 U.S. soldiers were killed during November in Iraq, and more than 800 were wounded, most of them in Fallujah, making it the most costly month, and operation, in terms of U.S. lives lost since the invasion of Iraq began in March 2003. FOR WHAT CAUSE? Michael Ware, Baghdad bureau chief for Time magazine, who has been in Fallujah during the fighting, said U.S. actions in Fallujah are "creating the nightmare that we are seeking to prevent." "I stood there as I saw American boys die," Ware told Chris Matthews of MSNBC on Nov. 24, "I mean, a man shot at close range, blown apart by a rocket propelled grenade. He dies there in front of you and I can't help but think why? For what cause? "I see us creating the very thing that the president said we went there to prevent," Ware said, "…subsequent to this invasion and the occupation and the guerrilla war that is currently underway, we are the midwives of the next generation of al Qaida and Islamic terrorist." Ware, who has interviewed senior insurgent leaders, said they study the writings of the Vietnamese general Vo Nguyen Giap, Che Guevara, and Mao Zedong. "They're bringing it straight from the Vietnam, and the broader insurgency playbook," Ware said. "The name of the game is deny the population to the insurgents," Ware said. "That's what we're trying to do, win hearts and minds. But we're not winning them." The U.S. struggle to win Iraqi hearts and minds suffered a further set back when NBC TV broadcast footage of a U.S. marine executing a wounded and unarmed Iraqi in a Fallujah mosque. The much-publicized shooting, apparently part of a massacre of a group of wounded resistance fighters, "was a rare crack in the façade that Washington, with the complicity of most of the corporate media, has tried to present to the world of its brutal assault on the rebel Iraqi city," Rohan Pearce wrote in The Greenleft Weekly Australia on Nov. 24. The New York Times has reported actions taken by U.S. forces in Fallujah, which appear to be prima facie evidence of war crimes, without mentioning that the actions constitute clear violations of the Laws of Land War found in the U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10. For example, a Nov. 20 Times article by Edward Wong, with two correspondents in Fallujah, reports that U.S. marines had transformed a mosque into a fortress with snipers and machine gunners perched on the roof. Then, using the passive form, Wong goes on to say that "no neutral group has been able to enter the city," without mentioning that U.S. forces blocked humanitarian aid convoys. Likewise, Wong wrote, "Electricity and water had been cut off." The Times, whose motto is "All the news that's fit to print," apparently didn't think that it's readers needed to know the U.S. forces had cut off the water and power to a city of 340,000 people. Asked if U.S. forces had cut power and water to Fallujah, Maj. Jay Antonelli of CPIC wrote: "MNF did, with approval of the Interim Iraqi Government, cut off electricity to the city of Fallujah as Operation Al-Fajr began. Water was not cut off intentionally, however the water system did sustain some kinetic damage during strikes." American Free Press asked the Pentagon's Lt. Col. Joe Yoswa if it is true that U.S. forces were using mosques as fortresses. "It's not possible," Yoswa said. "Under no circumstances. We would not set up snipers in a mosque in an offensive position." CPIC's Antonelli said: "MNF would not use a mosque as a 'fortress.' MNF and Iraqi security forces would only fire from a mosque if they were being fired upon and were firing back in self-defense." Abu Sabah, a refugee from Fallujah, reported seeing phosphorus bombs: "They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud. Then small pieces fell from the air with long tails of smoke trailing behind them. These exploded on the ground with large fires that burnt for half and hour," Abu Sabah said. "When anyone touched these fires their bodies burnt for hours." Eyewitnesses from Fallujah also reported seeing "melted" bodies. "THROW-AWAY SOLDIERS" Having seen what appeared to be a depleted uranium (DU) missile fired at a building in Fallujah on CNN during the first week of the fighting, AFP asked the Pentagon if DU weapons are being used in Fallujah. "Yes," Yoswa said, "DU is a standard round on the M-1 Abrams tank." Because U.S. marines in Fallujah are very close to the poison gas produced by exploded DU shells, AFP asked Yoswa if anything was being done to protect the troops from DU poisoning. Yoswa seemed unaware of the dangers posed by the use of DU. Marion Fulk, a retired nuclear scientist from Livermore National Lab told AFP that U.S. troops in DU contaminated battlefields are considered "throw-away soldiers." The Marines exposed to DU in Fallujah, and elsewhere, face greatly increased risks of cancer, deformed children, and other health problems in the future. OBLITERATION OF FALLUJAH The "obliteration of Fallujah" is a serious war crime, according to Francis A. Boyle, a professor of international law at the University of Illinois. "The obliteration of Fallujah continues apace," Boyle wrote in his Nov. 15 article, A War Crime in Real Time: Obliterating Fallujah. "Article 6(b) of the 1945 Nuremberg Charter defines a Nuremberg War Crime in relevant part as the 'wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages.' According to this definitive definition, the Bush administration's destruction of Fallujah constitutes a war crime for which Nazis were tried and executed." Finis -30- 1629 words ________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 8:13 PM To: 'Roger Helbig' Cc: 'Karen Aram' ; Estabrook, Carl G ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG Mattis expected his troops to be peacekeepers. They brought soccer balls with them when they deployed. LOL! Marines don’t play soccer or teach kids to play soccer.. My Dad was a Marine. He invaded Saipan, Tinian and Okinawa before he became a Lawyer. Marines destroy anyone and anything that is in front of them as they are trained to do and did at Fallujah under Mattis—A Real Mad Dog War Criminal. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:52 PM To: 'Roger Helbig' > Cc: Karen Aram >; Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG -----Original Message----- From: Karim A G [mailto:coffee at euro-comm.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:00 PM To: Karim A G Subject: A War Crime in Real Time http://www.counterpunch.org/boyle11152004.html November 15, 2004 A War Crime in Real Time Obliterating Fallujah By FRANCIS A. BOYLE The obliteration of Fallujah continues apace. Article 6(b) of the 1945 Nuremberg Charter defines a Nuremberg War Crime in relevant part as the ". . . wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages. . ." According to this definitive definition, the Bush Jr. administration's destruction of Fallujah constitutes a war crime for which Nazis were tried and executed. There is nothing surprising about that. Since the Bush Jr. administration's installation in power by the United States Supreme Court in January of 2001, the peoples of the world have witnessed a government in the United States of America that has demonstrated little if any respect for fundamental considerations of international law, international organizations, and human rights, let alone appreciation of the requirements for maintaining international peace and security. What the world has watched instead is a comprehensive and malicious assault upon the integrity of the international legal order by a group of men and women who are thoroughly Machiavellian in their perception of international relations and in their conduct of both foreign policy and domestic affairs. This is not simply a question of giving or withholding the benefit of the doubt when it comes to complicated matters of foreign affairs and defense policies to a U.S. government charged with the security of both its own citizens and those of its allies in Europe, the Western Hemisphere, and the Pacific. Rather, the Bush Jr. administration's foreign policy constitutes ongoing criminal activity under well-recognized principles of both international law and U.S. domestic law, in particular the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles. So their obliteration of Fallujah was to be expected. One generation ago the peoples of the world asked themselves: Where were the "good" Germans? Well, there were some good Germans. The Lutheran theologian and pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer was the foremost exemplar of someone who led a life of principled opposition to the Nazi-terror state even unto death. Today the peoples of the world are likewise asking themselves: Where are the "good" Americans? Well, there are some good Americans. Like three Catholic Nuns in Denver, they are getting arrested and going to jail for protesting against United States weapons of mass destruction (WMD) whose power for human extermination far exceeds even the wildest fantasies of Hitler and the Nazis. Or else for protesting against illegal U.S.. military interventions around the world. Just recently the Nuclear Resister estimated that since the Fall of 2002, there have been more than 9,500 anti-war related arrests in the United States alone. Many more will be coming. In international legal terms, the Bush Jr. administration itself should now be viewed as constituting an ongoing criminal conspiracy under international criminal law in violation of the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles, due to its formulation and undertaking of aggressive war policies that are legally akin to those perpetrated by the Nazi regime. As a consequence, American citizens possess the basic right under international law and the United States domestic law, including the U.S. Constitution, to engage in acts of non-violent civil resistance in order to prevent, impede, thwart, or terminate ongoing criminal activities perpetrated by U.S. government officials in their conduct of foreign affairs policies and military operations purported to relate to defense and counter-terrorism. This same right of civil resistance extends pari passu to all citizens of the world community of states. Everyone around the world has both the right and the duty under international law to resist ongoing criminal activities perpetrated by the Bush Jr. administration and its nefarious foreign accomplices such as Blair, Berlusconi, Howard, Koizumi, Kwasniewski, etc. by all non-violent means possible. If it is not so restrained, the Bush Jr. administration could very well precipitate a Third World War. The time for preventive action is now. Civil resistance is the way to go. People power can overcome power politics. Popular movements have succeeded in toppling tyrannical, dictatorial and authoritarian regimes throughout former Communist countries in Eastern Europe, as well as in Asia, and most recently in Latin America. It is time once again to exercise People Power here in the United States of America: "When in the Course of human Events. . . We hold these Truths to be self-evident. . . . we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and sacred Honor." Despite the best efforts by the Bush Jr. Leaguers to the contrary, we American Citizens still have our First Amendment Rights: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom to Petition our Government for the Redress of these massive Grievances, Civil Resistance, etc. We are going to have to start vigorously exercising all of our First Amendment Rights right now. We must use them or else, as the saying goes, we will lose them. We must act not only for the good of the Peoples of Southwest Asia, but for our future, that of our children, that of our nation as a democratic society committed to the Rule of Law and the U.S. Constitution. The Nazis had their "homeland" too Francis A. Boyle, Professor of Law, University of Illinois, is author of Foundations of World Order, Duke University Press, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, and Palestine, Palestinians and International Law, by Clarity Press. He can be reached at: FBOYLE at LAW.UIUC.EDU --- Subscribed as: fboyle at law.uiuc.edu; to unsubscribe send to al-awda-universalist-request at umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE as the SUBJECT. URL: > Cc: Karen Aram >; Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG There was no massacre at Fallujah. This is nonsense. Mattis expected his troops to be peacekeepers. They brought soccer balls with them when they deployed. I would love to see your "so called" war crime indictment. Wonder how much of it is from your fertile Hate America imagination and how much from the fertile Arab anti-American propaganda organs. Doubt a single paragraph is actually based on fact. On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss > wrote: Trump’s Secretary of War Mad Dog Mattis was responsible for the Massacre at Fallujah, which I pointed out on Counterpunch was a Nuremberg War Crime along the lines of the Nazis—the wanton devastation of a city-- in revenge for them killing our mercenaries. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 10:04 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see >. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidcnswanson at gmail.com Mon Jan 23 05:34:03 2017 From: davidcnswanson at gmail.com (David Swanson) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 00:34:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why Impeach Donald Trump Message-ID: Why Impeach Donald Trump By David Swanson, FireDonaldTrump.org *What are the grounds for impeachment?* They will likely be piling up rapidly. President Trump did use Day 1 to advise the CIA that the United States should have stolen all of Iraq's oil. But here is a place to start. We already have a president who is violating two clauses in the U.S. Constitution, one forbidding any gifts or benefits from foreign governments, the other forbidding the same from the U.S. government or any U.S. state. This is the result of Donald Trump refusing to separate himself from major business interests as past presidents have done. Those interests will also inevitably involve Trump in violating the STOCK Act which forbids the use of non-public government information to make a private profit. Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution states: "The President ... shall not receive ... any other emolument from the United States, or any of them." This means that the President cannot receive personal financial gains from the United States government or from the governments of any of the 50 states while he is president. This restriction is absolute and cannot be waived by Congress. Trump is already in violation of it and will be more so with every law, rule, regulation, enforcement, or lack thereof that his subordinates, Congress, or any agency of the federal government enacts to the benefit of Trump's businesses and possessions. For example, Trump's lease of the Old Post Office Building violates an explicit clause in the General Services Administration lease contract which states: "No ... elected official of the Government of the United States ... shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease, or to any benefit that may arise therefrom." The GSA's failure to enforce that contract is an unconstitutional benefit to Trump. Or, to take a state-level example: since 1980 Trump and his businesses have garnered "$885 million in tax breaks, grants and other subsidies for luxury apartments, hotels and office buildings in New York." Continuing or increasing those subsidies puts Trump in violation of the Constitution. Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution says that "no person holding any office of profit or trust under [the United States government], shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state." This is essentially the same ban as above, but applied to foreign governments . The Trump Organization has licensing deals with two Trump Towers in Istanbul. Trump himself says , "I have a little conflict of interest, because I have a major, major building in Istanbul." China's state-owned Industrial and Commercial Bank of China is the largest tenant in Trump Tower. It is also a major lender to Trump. Its rent payments and its loans put Trump in violation of the Constitution. Foreign diplomats have begun shifting their D.C. hotel and event reservations to Trump International Hotel. The Embassy of Kuwait was reportedly pressured by the Trump Organization to do so. Pressured or not, Kuwait's business at a Trump hotel puts Trump in violation of the highest law of the land. In November, there were reports (denied by Trump) that Trump had asked the president of Argentina for help with a building permit in Buenos Aires. Whether he did or not, and whether he receives that help or not, President Trump will be frequently granted or denied similar approval for his business ventures from numerous foreign and domestic governments. *Why punish a successful business man?* We can set aside the legality and morality of Trump's business success, and the question of how successful he has been. A campaign to impeach him for his violations of the Constitution can hold the position that Trump is perfectly welcome to keep all of his businesses and loans. He just cannot simultaneously hold an office in which they create gross violations of the U.S. Constitution. Past presidents have sold off their assets or placed them in a blind trust. A blind trust would not, however, be blind for Trump who would inevitably learn of the approval of new towers or the sale of properties. Selling (and using a truly blind trust to do so) was Trump's only option other than not being president. He chose not to take his only Constitutional choice. *Is this partisanship?* A great many people do anything political for partisan reasons. As I'm unable to put an end to that, it is inevitable that people will favor or oppose impeaching Trump for partisan reasons. But they need not. The above charges against Trump are unprecedented. They should apply to him and any future presidents who engage in the same abuses, regardless of party. Someone who voted for Trump as a way out of corruption should want him impeached as much as someone who voted against him for the same reason. Trump is now the worst possible "insider" -- using public office for personal greed. Is this morally worse than Secretary of State Hillary Clinton taking Saudi government and Boeing funds into her family foundation, and then working to waive legal restrictions on Boeing selling weapons to Saudi Arabia -- weapons now being used to slaughter innocents? Some will think so and others not, largely along partisan lines. Personally I'm in favor of impeaching Clinton, Obama, and George W. Bush right now and imposing the penalties of a bar on holding future office and a denial of retirement benefits. But those efforts are simply not the same priority today as halting the presidency of the current president. When I advocated for impeaching Bush I explained that if he was not held accountable his successors would expand further the abusive powers he had expanded. When I argued that Obama was in fact doing this and should be impeached, I was generally called worse things than partisan. But the longer presidents are allowed to act without a check on their powers, the more they will expand and abuse them. Numerous government officials and members of Congress would best serve the world by resigning. But the place to start is with an unprecedented and unique form and level of corruption in the single highest office in the land. *Is this personal?* A great many people focus their political interest on personalities rather than policies. They forbid themselves to praise a good action by a politician who mostly makes bad ones, or to condemn a bad one by a hero. They make heroes of whoever is not their enemy, and vice versa. They place greater importance on whether they'd like to be friends with someone than on whether that person will benefit or harm the world. Because I lack the strength to change this, many will support or oppose impeaching Trump based on whether they consider him obnoxious or inspiring. They shouldn't and need not. President Obama oversaw activities that would have horrified his supporters had they not been so focused on his style. History does not look kindly on the impeachment of Bill Clinton for personal flaws, something the majority of the public opposed -- while there were much better grounds on which to have impeached him. (History may also frown on Congress's refusal to even attempt to impeach George W. Bush, something the majority of the public supported.) *Is the point to make Mike Pence president?* The question of who is worse, the president or the vice president, is a very different question from this one: Who is worse, President Trump in an era of total unchecked power and immunity, or President Pence in an age of popular sovereignty with the threat of impeachment looming behind every high-crime-and-misdemeanor that comes up for consideration by the White House? I believe changing the office of the presidency into one that can be lost for substantive crimes and abuses -- a radical change from its current state -- would be more significant than the personality, ideology, or party of the presidents who come next. I believe part of that significance would derive from the benefits of building the movement that imposes impeachment on a corrupt and partisan and reluctant Congress. Cultural change comes principally from movement building, and very little from the personalities of elected officials. *Why not impeach Trump for being a Russian agent?* Both an impeachment in the U.S. House of Representatives and a trial in the Senate will require public evidence. The case made above relies on readily available and public evidence in great abundance that will grow daily, and may very well come to include benefits from the Russian government. In contrast, if there exists any evidence of the Russian government hacking Democratic emails or of the Russian government giving those emails to WikiLeaks, it has not been made public. If there exists any evidence of Trump being complicit in those actions, it has not been made public. You may suspect that such evidence exists. If so, it could certainly become the basis for additional articles of impeachment once it is produced. Meanwhile the content of the DNC emails could arguably form part of the basis for a case against current or former civil officers among Democrats involved in manipulating their own primary. *Why not impeach Trump for helping to destroy the earth's climate, or many other reasons?* I'm in favor of it, yes. But it should wait at least a week or two to allow the damage to accumulate. Removing all mention of climate change from the White House website is not sufficient. And the case will never be as easy a sell to the House of Misrepresentatives. The Constitution does not prohibit destroying the earth's climate, unless we so interpret the preamble -- or so interpret the mythical language that a militarized government has rumored to exist in the Constitution creating a presidential duty to protect the country from danger. Impeachment is a political process. Individuals and cities and towns and organizations can demand it. Representatives can pursue it. We can impeach for continuing or accelerating the destruction of our natural environment, even if presidential predecessors did the same or similar. We can impeach for war or torture or drone murders or warrantless spying or proclaiming the needs to steal oil or kill families or ban Muslims, or for any form of discrimination or cruelty that we find sufficiently intolerable. And I wish we would. But which charges can clear the hurdles of the House Judiciary, the full House, and the Senate is not a simple moral question. *Why impeach Trump when he could prevent war with Russia?* Yes, Trump seems to favor deescalating the dangerous cold war created under Obama. He may favor this for corrupt or environmentally destructive reasons. Regardless, any steps away from confrontations with nuclear governments are highly desirable. But Trump's vision is one of greater, not lesser, militarism. His preferred targets just don't include Russia. And impeaching Trump for abusing his power hardly sends a message to future presidents that they should pursue more wars. Holding one president accountable creates a certain level of accountability in the entire government going forward. And that tends to move us away from war, not toward it. *Is the point to empower the CIA and the corporate media?* That might be the point of going after Trump over Russian hacking rumors. The result might be a failure to impeach if there is no evidence. It might be greater hostility with Russia. And it might be a feather in the cap of a couple of institutions worthy of mountains of scorn. But these are not issues when Trump is impeached for public offenses visible to the naked eye with no spying or journalism required. *Do you really think Congress will impeach a president?* Yes, it certainly might, especially as the evidence of high-crimes-and-misdemeanors accumulates and Trump's popularity sinks even lower than its current record level -- an effect that just opening an impeachment process has usually contributed to (Bill Clinton's unpopular impeachment being an exception to the rule). But even an unsuccessful impeachment, like Truman's or Nixon's can have seriously beneficial results, including ending the abuses for which Truman was almost impeached, and ending the war and presidency of Nixon. *Do you really think everything is normal and nothing radical is needed?* I think all potentially useful strategies are desperately needed and that impeachment is one of them. Others are marches, sit-ins, petitions, media production, legislation, strikes, refusals to cooperate with illegal actions, protection of those in danger, peace initiatives, local and global moves toward sustainable economies, boycotts, divestments, foreign exchanges, art work, parades, etc., etc. But a nonviolent movement seeking to overturn an abusive government would fantasize about an impeachment provision if it didn't exist. It's the best gift that the drafters of the Constitution gave us. Much of the rest of the document is horribly out of date, and many of the best parts of it are routinely violated. Continuing to neglect the power of impeachment would be a terrible waste. *Do you really think something as radical as impeachment is needed?* I think it's needed in much less extreme situations than this one. If it's not needed now, when would it be? *Wouldn't our time be better spent holding marches or blocking pipelines or burning limos or educating children or building a new party or designing bunkers or . . . ?* Yes, there are lots of good ideas and bad. I'd like to see all of the good ones pursued, with people putting their energies where their passions and talents lie. But we cannot ignore an out of control government. Taking it (not "taking it back" since we never had it) has to be high on our list of priorities. It is still what Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said it was 50 years ago this spring: the greatest purveyor of violence on earth. Leaving that entity in the hands of an attention-starved man who wants primarily to personally profit from it is playing with fire. *If I've persuaded you, or if you already agreed, please sign this petition: http://ImpeachDonaldTrumpNow.org * -- *David Swanson *is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org. Swanson's books include *War Is A Lie *. He blogs at DavidSwanson.org and WarIsACrime.org . He hosts Talk Nation Radio . He is a 2015 and 2016 Nobel Peace Prize Nominee. Follow him on Twitter: @davidcnswanson and FaceBook . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As far as they saw it, this qualified Killer Koh to give their endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. They are more than happy to exterminate Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color: America's untermensch, our New Jews. Indeed our Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael Moore have been stinking up this Campus and our Good Community for well over the past decade publicly advocating the torture of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color. Such is the rot, filth, decay, corruption and sheer criminality poisoning and polluting this Campus and our Good Community by the Faculty of the Illinois Nazis Law School. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 23 12:57:24 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:57:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG In-Reply-To: References: <9D3D5E59-5EFC-47DF-838D-C6508214E176@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I also want to make it clear for the record that before the invasions of Saipan, Tinian and Okinawa my Father, a Marine, was ordered by his Captain not to take prisoners of war on the grounds of reciprocity that the Japanese did not take Prisoners of War of our Men. My Father disobeyed these clearly illegal orders and took Japanese Prisoners of War. I cite the example of my Father to my law students to refute the objection that you cannot expect soldiers to obey the laws of war during combat. If my Father could obey the laws of war at Saipan, Tinian, and Okinawa, any other soldier should be able to do the same. Meanwhile,while I am teaching this to my students, the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty aid, abet, and promote and facilitate war crimes and crimes against humanity from the safety of their offices. My Father later became a Lawyer. RIP. The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are despicable! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 8:38 PM To: Roger Helbig Cc: Karen Aram ; Estabrook, Carl G ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; Jay Becker ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Dave Trippel ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG Mad Dog Mattis the Nuremberg War Criminal. Fab. CONTROLLED PRESS IGNORES CRIMINAL OBLITERATION OF FALLUJAH By Christopher Bollyn American Free Press The controlled press has scrupulously avoided discussing the devastation and prima facie evidence of war crimes committed during the U.S. siege and assault of Fallujah. As Americans prepared for Thanksgiving, an estimated 100,000 residents of the besieged Iraqi city of Fallujah, trapped in their homes, struggled to survive without fresh food, water or electricity, reportedly cut off by U.S. forces on November 8. Meanwhile, on the streets of Fallujah, a city of more than 350,000, dogs gnawed on bloated and rotting corpses that remained unburied for weeks. Thousands of families in Fallujah were reported to be in a critical humanitarian situation after U.S. forces prevented the delivery of relief supplies. An Iraq Red Crescent Society (IRCS) humanitarian aid convoy, reportedly blocked by U.S. troops for more than two weeks, was allowed to deliver aid to residents in the heart of the city on November 25. On Thanksgiving, U.S. forces permitted the IRCS convoy carrying thousands of food parcels, blankets, tents and medical supplies to enter the city and allowed one of the clinics to be converted into a temporary hospital to treat the injured. Rana Sidani of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Geneva, Switzerland however, told American Free Press on Nov. 30 that "many civilians" were still prevented from receiving aid or medical care. At the beginning of the U.S. operation in Fallujah on Nov. 5, a hospital in the central Nazzal district of Fallujah was "reduced to rubble" as a result of U.S. air and artillery bombardment. "Only its façade, with a sign reading Nazzal Emergency Hospital, remained intact," Reuters reported. "A nearby compound used by the main Falluja Hospital to store medical supplies was also destroyed," witnesses told Reuters. Fallujah's main hospital was occupied by U.S. forces when the ground offensive began. These actions are apparent violations of international humanitarian law. "Bodies can be seen everywhere and people were crying when receiving the food parcels," Muhammad al-Nuri, a spokesman for the IRCS in Baghdad, said. "It is very sad. It is a human disaster." Al-Nuri said that it is difficult to move in the city due to the large number of dead bodies in the streets. The ICRS estimates there are more than 6,000 dead in Fallujah, al-Nuri said. AFP asked Major Jay Antonelli at the Coalition Press Information Center (CPIC) in Baghdad if the ICRS estimate of 6,000 dead in Fallujah was credible. "We do not keep a count of dead Iraqis," Antonelli said. Asked the same question, the ICRC's Sidani said, "We don't know." Antonelli said, "U.S. forces never blocked aid convoys from reaching the wounded. We only recommended to the aid convoys that they should not enter the city because the MNF [Multi-National Forces] could not guarantee their security or safety." "The ICRC is very worried about the humanitarian situation in Falluja," Sidani said. Asked what the ICRC was doing to alleviate the suffering in Fallujah, Sidani said: "We are reminding the parties of their responsibilities under international humanitarian law." It should be noted that the U.S.A. and Britain, the belligerent occupying powers in Iraq, are the two largest contributors to the ICRC, providing more than 42 percent of its budget for field operations. A second convoy from Baghdad, headed by Dr. Said Ismael Haki, the IRCS president, delivered aid to Fallujah on Nov. 26. "There are no houses left in Fallujah, only destroyed places." Haki said. "I really don't know how the people will return to the city. No one will find their homes." As U.S. troops in Fallujah engaged in what has been described as the most intense urban combat since Vietnam, the controlled press scrupulously avoided discussion or footage of the devastation of the rebellious Sunni city. For example, during the second week of the attack, rather than discuss the widespread devastation of Fallujah, U.S. television news programs focused largely on a brawl between basketball players and fans in Detroit. Lt. Col. Brandl, commander of the 1st Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, was filmed giving a "pep talk" to his marines: "The enemy has got a face – he's called Satan," Brandl said. "He's in Fallujah, and we're going to destroy him." At least 136 U.S. soldiers were killed during November in Iraq, and more than 800 were wounded, most of them in Fallujah, making it the most costly month, and operation, in terms of U.S. lives lost since the invasion of Iraq began in March 2003. FOR WHAT CAUSE? Michael Ware, Baghdad bureau chief for Time magazine, who has been in Fallujah during the fighting, said U.S. actions in Fallujah are "creating the nightmare that we are seeking to prevent." "I stood there as I saw American boys die," Ware told Chris Matthews of MSNBC on Nov. 24, "I mean, a man shot at close range, blown apart by a rocket propelled grenade. He dies there in front of you and I can't help but think why? For what cause? "I see us creating the very thing that the president said we went there to prevent," Ware said, "…subsequent to this invasion and the occupation and the guerrilla war that is currently underway, we are the midwives of the next generation of al Qaida and Islamic terrorist." Ware, who has interviewed senior insurgent leaders, said they study the writings of the Vietnamese general Vo Nguyen Giap, Che Guevara, and Mao Zedong. "They're bringing it straight from the Vietnam, and the broader insurgency playbook," Ware said. "The name of the game is deny the population to the insurgents," Ware said. "That's what we're trying to do, win hearts and minds. But we're not winning them." The U.S. struggle to win Iraqi hearts and minds suffered a further set back when NBC TV broadcast footage of a U.S. marine executing a wounded and unarmed Iraqi in a Fallujah mosque. The much-publicized shooting, apparently part of a massacre of a group of wounded resistance fighters, "was a rare crack in the façade that Washington, with the complicity of most of the corporate media, has tried to present to the world of its brutal assault on the rebel Iraqi city," Rohan Pearce wrote in The Greenleft Weekly Australia on Nov. 24. The New York Times has reported actions taken by U.S. forces in Fallujah, which appear to be prima facie evidence of war crimes, without mentioning that the actions constitute clear violations of the Laws of Land War found in the U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10. For example, a Nov. 20 Times article by Edward Wong, with two correspondents in Fallujah, reports that U.S. marines had transformed a mosque into a fortress with snipers and machine gunners perched on the roof. Then, using the passive form, Wong goes on to say that "no neutral group has been able to enter the city," without mentioning that U.S. forces blocked humanitarian aid convoys. Likewise, Wong wrote, "Electricity and water had been cut off." The Times, whose motto is "All the news that's fit to print," apparently didn't think that it's readers needed to know the U.S. forces had cut off the water and power to a city of 340,000 people. Asked if U.S. forces had cut power and water to Fallujah, Maj. Jay Antonelli of CPIC wrote: "MNF did, with approval of the Interim Iraqi Government, cut off electricity to the city of Fallujah as Operation Al-Fajr began. Water was not cut off intentionally, however the water system did sustain some kinetic damage during strikes." American Free Press asked the Pentagon's Lt. Col. Joe Yoswa if it is true that U.S. forces were using mosques as fortresses. "It's not possible," Yoswa said. "Under no circumstances. We would not set up snipers in a mosque in an offensive position." CPIC's Antonelli said: "MNF would not use a mosque as a 'fortress.' MNF and Iraqi security forces would only fire from a mosque if they were being fired upon and were firing back in self-defense." Abu Sabah, a refugee from Fallujah, reported seeing phosphorus bombs: "They used these weird bombs that put up smoke like a mushroom cloud. Then small pieces fell from the air with long tails of smoke trailing behind them. These exploded on the ground with large fires that burnt for half and hour," Abu Sabah said. "When anyone touched these fires their bodies burnt for hours." Eyewitnesses from Fallujah also reported seeing "melted" bodies. "THROW-AWAY SOLDIERS" Having seen what appeared to be a depleted uranium (DU) missile fired at a building in Fallujah on CNN during the first week of the fighting, AFP asked the Pentagon if DU weapons are being used in Fallujah. "Yes," Yoswa said, "DU is a standard round on the M-1 Abrams tank." Because U.S. marines in Fallujah are very close to the poison gas produced by exploded DU shells, AFP asked Yoswa if anything was being done to protect the troops from DU poisoning. Yoswa seemed unaware of the dangers posed by the use of DU. Marion Fulk, a retired nuclear scientist from Livermore National Lab told AFP that U.S. troops in DU contaminated battlefields are considered "throw-away soldiers." The Marines exposed to DU in Fallujah, and elsewhere, face greatly increased risks of cancer, deformed children, and other health problems in the future. OBLITERATION OF FALLUJAH The "obliteration of Fallujah" is a serious war crime, according to Francis A. Boyle, a professor of international law at the University of Illinois. "The obliteration of Fallujah continues apace," Boyle wrote in his Nov. 15 article, A War Crime in Real Time: Obliterating Fallujah. "Article 6(b) of the 1945 Nuremberg Charter defines a Nuremberg War Crime in relevant part as the 'wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages.' According to this definitive definition, the Bush administration's destruction of Fallujah constitutes a war crime for which Nazis were tried and executed." Finis -30- 1629 words ________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! – What will yours do? Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 8:13 PM To: 'Roger Helbig' > Cc: 'Karen Aram' >; Estabrook, Carl G >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' > Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG Mattis expected his troops to be peacekeepers. They brought soccer balls with them when they deployed. LOL! Marines don’t play soccer or teach kids to play soccer.. My Dad was a Marine. He invaded Saipan, Tinian and Okinawa before he became a Lawyer. Marines destroy anyone and anything that is in front of them as they are trained to do and did at Fallujah under Mattis—A Real Mad Dog War Criminal. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:52 PM To: 'Roger Helbig' > Cc: Karen Aram >; Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG -----Original Message----- From: Karim A G [mailto:coffee at euro-comm.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 5:00 PM To: Karim A G Subject: A War Crime in Real Time http://www.counterpunch.org/boyle11152004.html November 15, 2004 A War Crime in Real Time Obliterating Fallujah By FRANCIS A. BOYLE The obliteration of Fallujah continues apace. Article 6(b) of the 1945 Nuremberg Charter defines a Nuremberg War Crime in relevant part as the ". . . wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages. . ." According to this definitive definition, the Bush Jr. administration's destruction of Fallujah constitutes a war crime for which Nazis were tried and executed. There is nothing surprising about that. Since the Bush Jr. administration's installation in power by the United States Supreme Court in January of 2001, the peoples of the world have witnessed a government in the United States of America that has demonstrated little if any respect for fundamental considerations of international law, international organizations, and human rights, let alone appreciation of the requirements for maintaining international peace and security. What the world has watched instead is a comprehensive and malicious assault upon the integrity of the international legal order by a group of men and women who are thoroughly Machiavellian in their perception of international relations and in their conduct of both foreign policy and domestic affairs. This is not simply a question of giving or withholding the benefit of the doubt when it comes to complicated matters of foreign affairs and defense policies to a U.S. government charged with the security of both its own citizens and those of its allies in Europe, the Western Hemisphere, and the Pacific. Rather, the Bush Jr. administration's foreign policy constitutes ongoing criminal activity under well-recognized principles of both international law and U.S. domestic law, in particular the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles. So their obliteration of Fallujah was to be expected. One generation ago the peoples of the world asked themselves: Where were the "good" Germans? Well, there were some good Germans. The Lutheran theologian and pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer was the foremost exemplar of someone who led a life of principled opposition to the Nazi-terror state even unto death. Today the peoples of the world are likewise asking themselves: Where are the "good" Americans? Well, there are some good Americans. Like three Catholic Nuns in Denver, they are getting arrested and going to jail for protesting against United States weapons of mass destruction (WMD) whose power for human extermination far exceeds even the wildest fantasies of Hitler and the Nazis. Or else for protesting against illegal U.S.. military interventions around the world. Just recently the Nuclear Resister estimated that since the Fall of 2002, there have been more than 9,500 anti-war related arrests in the United States alone. Many more will be coming. In international legal terms, the Bush Jr. administration itself should now be viewed as constituting an ongoing criminal conspiracy under international criminal law in violation of the Nuremberg Charter, the Nuremberg Judgment, and the Nuremberg Principles, due to its formulation and undertaking of aggressive war policies that are legally akin to those perpetrated by the Nazi regime. As a consequence, American citizens possess the basic right under international law and the United States domestic law, including the U.S. Constitution, to engage in acts of non-violent civil resistance in order to prevent, impede, thwart, or terminate ongoing criminal activities perpetrated by U.S. government officials in their conduct of foreign affairs policies and military operations purported to relate to defense and counter-terrorism. This same right of civil resistance extends pari passu to all citizens of the world community of states. Everyone around the world has both the right and the duty under international law to resist ongoing criminal activities perpetrated by the Bush Jr. administration and its nefarious foreign accomplices such as Blair, Berlusconi, Howard, Koizumi, Kwasniewski, etc. by all non-violent means possible. If it is not so restrained, the Bush Jr. administration could very well precipitate a Third World War. The time for preventive action is now. Civil resistance is the way to go. People power can overcome power politics. Popular movements have succeeded in toppling tyrannical, dictatorial and authoritarian regimes throughout former Communist countries in Eastern Europe, as well as in Asia, and most recently in Latin America. It is time once again to exercise People Power here in the United States of America: "When in the Course of human Events. . . We hold these Truths to be self-evident. . . . we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and sacred Honor." Despite the best efforts by the Bush Jr. Leaguers to the contrary, we American Citizens still have our First Amendment Rights: Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Association, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom to Petition our Government for the Redress of these massive Grievances, Civil Resistance, etc. We are going to have to start vigorously exercising all of our First Amendment Rights right now. We must use them or else, as the saying goes, we will lose them. We must act not only for the good of the Peoples of Southwest Asia, but for our future, that of our children, that of our nation as a democratic society committed to the Rule of Law and the U.S. Constitution. The Nazis had their "homeland" too Francis A. Boyle, Professor of Law, University of Illinois, is author of Foundations of World Order, Duke University Press, The Criminality of Nuclear Deterrence, and Palestine, Palestinians and International Law, by Clarity Press. He can be reached at: FBOYLE at LAW.UIUC.EDU --- Subscribed as: fboyle at law.uiuc.edu; to unsubscribe send to al-awda-universalist-request at umich.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE as the SUBJECT. URL: > Cc: Karen Aram >; Estabrook, Carl G >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; Jay Becker >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Dave Trippel >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG There was no massacre at Fallujah. This is nonsense. Mattis expected his troops to be peacekeepers. They brought soccer balls with them when they deployed. I would love to see your "so called" war crime indictment. Wonder how much of it is from your fertile Hate America imagination and how much from the fertile Arab anti-American propaganda organs. Doubt a single paragraph is actually based on fact. On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss > wrote: Trump’s Secretary of War Mad Dog Mattis was responsible for the Massacre at Fallujah, which I pointed out on Counterpunch was a Nuremberg War Crime along the lines of the Nazis—the wanton devastation of a city-- in revenge for them killing our mercenaries. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 10:04 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Boyle, Francis A >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP. Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran. His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc. Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power. Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.” For more on that theme, see >. —CGE On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided. On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community: "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: News-Gazette.com Posted on: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:00 AM Author: digital.media Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump By C.G. ESTABROOK The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows: "Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia. read more View article... _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 10:50:22 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Brennan on Trump at the CIA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28E5212E-6E4E-419F-BD50-2F2E6A687735@illinois.edu> John Brennan, a confirmed torturer and murderer - he was too gamey for Obama to make him CIA director at the outset of his administration (he did it later) - seems to want to lead the ‘deep state/permanent government’ resistance against the pacific (pun intended) inclinations of the Trump administration - as Allen Dulles is supposed to have done (up to and including Kennedy’s death) in regard to the Kennedy administration, according to e.g. David Talbot’s "The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government” [2015]). I don’t think I entirely believe Talbot’s account - for one thing, Kennedy’s death led to no change in US war policy (so people of Talbot's persuasion are reduced to arguing that the undoubted war-criminal Kennedy was *planning* to withdraw from Vietnam; for that argument, see a much better book, James Douglass’ "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters” [2008] - although my tentative conclusion is that Oswald was indeed a lone gunman: hey, I’m still working on whether Stanton was involved in assassinating Lincoln...). We would I think do much better to look at and oppose the crimes (for which we are responsible) of the US government, a half-century ago (to learn from) and today (to oppose). As Chomsky says, "There’s a good reason why nobody studies history: it just teaches you too much.” I think the jury is still out on whether the Brennanesque criminals will be able to twist Trump’s policy into the murderous Obama/neocon direction. They’re certainly trying. —CGE > On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Brennan also deplored the rally-style event, according to his former deputy chief of staff Nick Shapiro. Brennan “is deeply saddened and angered at Donald Trump’s despicable display of self-aggrandizement in front of CIA’s Memorial Wall of Agency heroes,” Shapiro said in a statement provided to Newsweek. “Trump should be ashamed of himself.” > ------------------------------- > Brennan is a Mass Murderer and a War Criminal, who was once referred to as a "priest" by that other Mass Murderer and War Criminal Harold Killer Koh when the two of them were figuring out precisely whom to drone murder among thousands of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color, including US citizens as well as Mr. Alwaki’s 16 year old Child. I pointed this out to the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. As far as they saw it, this qualified Killer Koh to give their endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. They are more than happy to exterminate Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color: America’s untermensch, our New Jews. Indeed our Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael Moore have been stinking up this Campus and our Good Community for well over the past decade publicly advocating the torture of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color. Such is the rot, filth, decay, corruption and sheer criminality poisoning and polluting this Campus and our Good Community by the Faculty of the Illinois Nazis Law School. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jan 23 16:58:45 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:58:45 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Brennan on Trump at the CIA In-Reply-To: <28E5212E-6E4E-419F-BD50-2F2E6A687735@illinois.edu> References: <28E5212E-6E4E-419F-BD50-2F2E6A687735@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I think the jury is still out on whether the Brennanesque criminals will be able to twist Trump’s policy into the murderous Obama/neocon direction. They’re certainly trying. -------------------------------------------- For sure Carl. In the Summer of 2015 I told the Illinois Nazis College of Law Faculty that Killer Koh was working Hand-in-Glove with Brennan to drone exterminate Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color--America's untermensch, our New Jews. The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty thought that was just great because they fully supported and promoted exterminating Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color by bringing Killer Koh in here to campaign for Killary to become President ten days later. We dodged that bullet--Deus ex machina. I guess we shall see what the Trumpsters do now that they are in Office and Power. Fab Ed Norton Professor of law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:50 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Re: Brennan on Trump at the CIA John Brennan, a confirmed torturer and murderer - he was too gamey for Obama to make him CIA director at the outset of his administration (he did it later) - seems to want to lead the ‘deep state/permanent government’ resistance against the pacific (pun intended) inclinations of the Trump administration - as Allen Dulles is supposed to have done (up to and including Kennedy’s death) in regard to the Kennedy administration, according to e.g. David Talbot’s "The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government” [2015]). I don’t think I entirely believe Talbot’s account - for one thing, Kennedy’s death led to no change in US war policy (so people of Talbot's persuasion are reduced to arguing that the undoubted war-criminal Kennedy was *planning* to withdraw from Vietnam; for that argument, see a much better book, James Douglass’ "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters” [2008] - although my tentative conclusion is that Oswald was indeed a lone gunman: hey, I’m still working on whether Stanton was involved in assassinating Lincoln...). We would I think do much better to look at and oppose the crimes (for which we are responsible) of the US government, a half-century ago (to learn from) and today (to oppose). As Chomsky says, "There’s a good reason why nobody studies history: it just teaches you too much.” I think the jury is still out on whether the Brennanesque criminals will be able to twist Trump’s policy into the murderous Obama/neocon direction. They’re certainly trying. —CGE > On Jan 23, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Brennan also deplored the rally-style event, according to his former deputy chief of staff Nick Shapiro. Brennan “is deeply saddened and angered at Donald Trump’s despicable display of self-aggrandizement in front of CIA’s Memorial Wall of Agency heroes,” Shapiro said in a statement provided to Newsweek. “Trump should be ashamed of himself.” > ------------------------------- > Brennan is a Mass Murderer and a War Criminal, who was once referred to as a "priest" by that other Mass Murderer and War Criminal Harold Killer Koh when the two of them were figuring out precisely whom to drone murder among thousands of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color, including US citizens as well as Mr. Alwaki’s 16 year old Child. I pointed this out to the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. As far as they saw it, this qualified Killer Koh to give their endowed lecture on being a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. They are more than happy to exterminate Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color: America’s untermensch, our New Jews. Indeed our Fired and Disgraced Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael Moore have been stinking up this Campus and our Good Community for well over the past decade publicly advocating the torture of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color. Such is the rot, filth, decay, corruption and sheer criminality poisoning and polluting this Campus and our Good Community by the Faculty of the Illinois Nazis Law School. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 23 17:22:35 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:22:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Presidents Message-ID: My rant for the day: We know our government lied to us when they claimed "WMD" for our intervention and slaughter in Iraq and Afghanistan, and when Obama came into power many of us were relieved. Such a cool, classy guy, surely he'll bring about peace, end poverty, and provide healthcare for all. Unfortunately, thats not what he did. He bailed out the banks, not the people, he provided ACA rather than "Single Payer", which though it helped many really poor, as well as removing the "preconditions" clause, it unfortunately, harmed the middle class working families who can't afford it. It sure helped the insurance cos., they love it. Then he proceeded to invade and destroy Libya, and Syria, with the disastrous results being passed on to many surrounding nations. We watched while Israel our largest aid recipient slaughter women and children in Gaza, and our government continued to supply the weapons. The people of Yemen are dying, horribly and our government continues to supply the weapons, technology, logistics and training to our friend, the Saudi's. The Saudi's are the most barbaric nation on earth, and responsible for 9/11, has anyone noticed? We're still at war in Afghanistan and Iraq, while Guantanamo is still open, I know the Republicans made him do it. Yes, he did do something good in respect to both Iran and Cuba, give him credit for that, that which was well overdue. His pivot to Asia, with our provocations in the South China Sea, are very dangerous and the "false flag" of our coup in Kiev, bringing an excuse to place Nato on the border of Russia, and all surrounding areas, with accompanying sanctions against Russia which also has an impact on many of the nations in the surrounding areas, is unforgivable and will have far ranging consequences if not reversed. Did Americans take notice, no? Why not, well because Obama is a cool guy, who many relate to, you know "a liberal" a "democrat", we can all identify with that, because we're cool, we're liberal, and if only Bernie hadn't been sidelined by the Party, everything would have been fine, but these people, who are they, supported Trump, people across the rust belt for whom the Democratic Party had no use, their poverty was of no concern, they are the dispensables. So now we have Trump, who has made awful remarks about people, especially women, so we can really hate him, and we will be watching his every move, we are now awake and we will be concerned when the USG continues to slaughter the "non white" people, women and children, around the world we never noticed before. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 23 17:22:35 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:22:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Presidents Message-ID: My rant for the day: We know our government lied to us when they claimed "WMD" for our intervention and slaughter in Iraq and Afghanistan, and when Obama came into power many of us were relieved. Such a cool, classy guy, surely he'll bring about peace, end poverty, and provide healthcare for all. Unfortunately, thats not what he did. He bailed out the banks, not the people, he provided ACA rather than "Single Payer", which though it helped many really poor, as well as removing the "preconditions" clause, it unfortunately, harmed the middle class working families who can't afford it. It sure helped the insurance cos., they love it. Then he proceeded to invade and destroy Libya, and Syria, with the disastrous results being passed on to many surrounding nations. We watched while Israel our largest aid recipient slaughter women and children in Gaza, and our government continued to supply the weapons. The people of Yemen are dying, horribly and our government continues to supply the weapons, technology, logistics and training to our friend, the Saudi's. The Saudi's are the most barbaric nation on earth, and responsible for 9/11, has anyone noticed? We're still at war in Afghanistan and Iraq, while Guantanamo is still open, I know the Republicans made him do it. Yes, he did do something good in respect to both Iran and Cuba, give him credit for that, that which was well overdue. His pivot to Asia, with our provocations in the South China Sea, are very dangerous and the "false flag" of our coup in Kiev, bringing an excuse to place Nato on the border of Russia, and all surrounding areas, with accompanying sanctions against Russia which also has an impact on many of the nations in the surrounding areas, is unforgivable and will have far ranging consequences if not reversed. Did Americans take notice, no? Why not, well because Obama is a cool guy, who many relate to, you know "a liberal" a "democrat", we can all identify with that, because we're cool, we're liberal, and if only Bernie hadn't been sidelined by the Party, everything would have been fine, but these people, who are they, supported Trump, people across the rust belt for whom the Democratic Party had no use, their poverty was of no concern, they are the dispensables. So now we have Trump, who has made awful remarks about people, especially women, so we can really hate him, and we will be watching his every move, we are now awake and we will be concerned when the USG continues to slaughter the "non white" people, women and children, around the world we never noticed before. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 23 18:09:55 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:09:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What we need to know about Russia. Abby Martin interviews Prof. Stephen Cohen. Message-ID: Published on Jan 19, 2017 Leading scholar on US-Russia relations addresses the claim being trumpeted by politicians and media on both sides of the political spectrum that Russia is now the "number one" threat to the United States. Given the proxy wars in Syria and Ukraine, Dr. Cohen tells host Abby Martin that the real alarming danger today is "a new, multi-front Cuban missile crisis." Dr. Stephen Cohen is Professor Emeritus at Princeton University and New York University where he taught Russian Studies. He has been a noted author and commentator on US-Russia policy for decades. https://videosenglish.telesurtv.net/v... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 23 18:09:55 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 18:09:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What we need to know about Russia. Abby Martin interviews Prof. Stephen Cohen. Message-ID: Published on Jan 19, 2017 Leading scholar on US-Russia relations addresses the claim being trumpeted by politicians and media on both sides of the political spectrum that Russia is now the "number one" threat to the United States. Given the proxy wars in Syria and Ukraine, Dr. Cohen tells host Abby Martin that the real alarming danger today is "a new, multi-front Cuban missile crisis." Dr. Stephen Cohen is Professor Emeritus at Princeton University and New York University where he taught Russian Studies. He has been a noted author and commentator on US-Russia policy for decades. https://videosenglish.telesurtv.net/v... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There would also have been some radical activists you’d never (heard) of who do important work. Celebrity liberalism and pleas to vote Democratic are where the Left goes to die." The Women’s March Was a Dismal Failure and a Hopeful Sign | | | | | | | | | | | The Women’s March Was a Dismal Failure and a Hopeful Sign Solidarity marches across the nation drew hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million, more. The turnout was impres... | | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Reflections on DC: Promises and Pitfalls in the Anti-Trump Uprising | | | | | | | | | | | Reflections on DC: Promises and Pitfalls in the Anti-Trump Uprising The first mass protests of President Donald Trump represent a historic moment – one worth reflecting on so we ca... | | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jan 24 16:44:11 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:44:11 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] No new AWARE ON THE AIR today Message-ID: <4EB7EC83-7627-45B0-865C-369591C8169E@illinois.edu> We will not be recording a new AWRE ON THE AIR at UPTV today. From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jan 25 05:04:41 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 23:04:41 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Panel discussion on campus Message-ID: <98A68525-8016-4502-8876-92C9B7BF4E29@illinois.edu> Did anyone on this list attend this discussion today? If so, would you post a brief summary of what you heard? Thanks, CGE Politics Not As Usual: Historical Perspectives on the 2016 election Date Jan 24, 2017 Time 3:30 pm Location 319 Gregory Hall Email steinb at illinois.edu Sponsor Department of History, Center for Historical Interpretation With Peter Fritzsche, Ian Toller-Clark, Erik McDuffie, Kathryn Oberdeck, Kristin Hoganson. -- How can historical perspectives help us understand some of the seismic political shifts now underway? This panel of historians will reflect on causes, precedents, and divergences from past practices and norms before opening the floor for a wider discussion. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the past 5 days President Trump has started the process to take health insurance away from millions of Americans, restrict immigration from predominantly Muslim countries, restart the destructive DAPL and Keystone XL pipelines, moved to restrict funding for sanctuary cities, put media blackouts on federal agencies, said torture absolutely works and eased the way to fill up Gitmo and restart so-called black site prisons, wants "major investigation" into the " massive voter fraud" by millions of "illegal aliens," reinstated the global gag rule, is preparing to negate the small amount of progress made to slow climate change, and refused again to ever release his tax returns. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."--Rt Hon Edmund Burke Even our own County Board passed a resolution that would suppress voting in the upcoming municipal election. Get with it, People! Thanks and a tip of the hat to Susan Parenti for suggestion about writing to Pres Trump about support for ACA. My letter is in the mail. Deb Sent from my iPhone From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 25 23:10:08 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 23:10:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Climate March on Washington References: <80128-4c87-58892bbe@list.350.org> Message-ID: Friends, A historic movement is growing to confront Donald Trump’s unprecedented attacks on people and the planet. The day after the inauguration, millions of people hit the streets in what has been called the largest mobilization in US history. For weeks we’ve been fighting Trump’s heinous cabinet picks -- and just this Monday, young people continued with nationwide student walkouts. Yesterday, when Trump signed an executive order reviving the Keystone and Dakota Access pipelines, thousands of people rallied in D.C., Los Angeles, Chicago, New York and many other cities across the country within hours. Continuing to mobilize is how we rebuild political momentum for climate action and stand up against bigotry and injustice. On April 29th, the People’s Climate Mobilization is our chance to rise up against every part of Trump’s vicious fossil fuel agenda and show the strength and determination of our opposition. Sign up now to find out more and continue building this epic wave of action. The first 100 days are when Presidents have the most power and legitimacy to pursue their agendas. The People’s Climate Mobilization will include rolling actions during those 100 days, leading to a major demonstration on April 29th in Washington DC and around the country. The Trump Administration wants to shock us into despair and inaction: that’s why he started with pushing Keystone XL and Dakota Access in his first week, along with trying to expunge all references to climate change from government websites and social media. He’s also inaugurated attacks on women’s health and dignity, and today he’s attacking immigrants and refugees. The People’s Climate Mobilization is our next chance to show our determination and unity, and transform it into real political power. Sign up for the People’s Climate Mobilization and you’ll get regular announcements about things you can do as a part of this resistance. The Trump Administration will not be able to keep its promises to their fossil fuel industry backers. Clean, 100% renewable energy is on the rise across the country. We will continue our unshakable opposition on the ground, and in the courts -- every pipeline, every coal mine, every time. Continuing to act is how we keep hope alive. At this dangerous time, there is nothing we need more than hope, so that we may forge a new future that provides justice and dignity for us all. We will get there -- together. Jamie [https://act.350.org/o.gif?akid=19591.524584.rbL4Bh] ________________________________ 350.org is building a global climate movement. Become a sustaining donor to keep this movement strong and growing. You can update your contact information, location, or language here, or if you're 100% sure you never want to hear from 350.org again you can click here to unsubscribe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On April 29th, the People’s Climate Mobilization is our chance to rise up against every part of Trump’s vicious fossil fuel agenda and show the strength and determination of our opposition. Sign up now to find out more and continue building this epic wave of action. The first 100 days are when Presidents have the most power and legitimacy to pursue their agendas. The People’s Climate Mobilization will include rolling actions during those 100 days, leading to a major demonstration on April 29th in Washington DC and around the country. The Trump Administration wants to shock us into despair and inaction: that’s why he started with pushing Keystone XL and Dakota Access in his first week, along with trying to expunge all references to climate change from government websites and social media. He’s also inaugurated attacks on women’s health and dignity, and today he’s attacking immigrants and refugees. The People’s Climate Mobilization is our next chance to show our determination and unity, and transform it into real political power. Sign up for the People’s Climate Mobilization and you’ll get regular announcements about things you can do as a part of this resistance. The Trump Administration will not be able to keep its promises to their fossil fuel industry backers. Clean, 100% renewable energy is on the rise across the country. We will continue our unshakable opposition on the ground, and in the courts -- every pipeline, every coal mine, every time. Continuing to act is how we keep hope alive. At this dangerous time, there is nothing we need more than hope, so that we may forge a new future that provides justice and dignity for us all. We will get there -- together. Jamie [https://act.350.org/o.gif?akid=19591.524584.rbL4Bh] ________________________________ 350.org is building a global climate movement. Become a sustaining donor to keep this movement strong and growing. 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I continue to support single payer or Medicare for all, neither of which is even supported by more than the roguest of democrats. Reform is worth working on while we continue to work for what we really need,  revolution in the healthcare system.  I am hoping that the legality of the executive orders and executive memos will be challenged adequately. How do we find out who to encourage for this? Even the best media is asking nothing about whether the EPA is required to abide by the executive orders.  We are calling our reps on all sorts of issues and about the ongoing appointment confirmations.  I would be interested in yelling at the press for asking the wrong questions and spending way too much time covering tweets, raindrops, busts, and taxes.  Meanwhile, there is so much wonderful stuff going on in the community:  education events, support for immigrants and lgbtq, and environmental action,  people organizing who have never organized before.  There is so much to fight for in the way of basic human rights (against physical and other walls and for health care even non citizens) and environmental impact ( including promised deregulation, coal, and pipelines) as well as the ongoing attacks on labor unions and privatization of everything from social services to governmental services.  Locally,  there seems to be groups meeting every day and night. I am also proud of those who are reaching out to those who have political views different from their own- - ignoring their numbers would be a dangerous oversight.  i hear very little silence - Karen Medina Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss Date: 1/25/17 16:19 (GMT-06:00) To: Peace-discuss List Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump the Peace President? Did I miss something? Or is the silence deafening in the progressive community of C-U? In the past 5 days President Trump has started the process to take health insurance away from millions of Americans, restrict immigration from predominantly Muslim countries, restart the destructive DAPL and Keystone XL pipelines, moved to restrict funding for sanctuary cities, put media blackouts on federal agencies, said torture absolutely works and eased the way to fill up Gitmo and restart so-called black site prisons, wants "major investigation" into the " massive voter fraud" by millions of "illegal aliens," reinstated the global gag rule, is preparing to negate the small amount of progress made to slow climate change, and refused again to ever release his tax returns. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."--Rt Hon Edmund Burke Even our own County Board passed a resolution that would suppress voting in the upcoming municipal election. Get with it, People! Thanks and a tip of the hat to Susan Parenti for suggestion about writing to Pres Trump about support for ACA. My letter is in the mail. Deb Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jan 25 23:55:59 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 23:55:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Planned Parenthood and Rodney Davis Message-ID: I support Medicare for All, but in the meantime…… I don’t know the author but I thought this a good article in the NG. I would like to point out that a Representative’s personal views should not take priority over that of his Constituents, that is why he is known as a Representative. Thus it’s important for those of us who support PP make our views known to him. Why Davis should back PP funding Wed, 01/25/2017 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette My U.S. representative, Rodney Davis, R-Taylorville, wants to cut funding to Planned Parenthood because of his pro-life views. I respect those views, so I informed Mr. Davis that Planned Parenthood prevents about 1 million unplanned pregnancies a year, 400,000 of which would otherwise end in abortion. Mr. Davis justified his lack of support for Planned Parenthood by pointing to his support for community health centers. However, I reminded Mr. Davis that Planned Parenthood serves about a third of the Title X low-income population, using the $70 million a year it receives in Title X grants to subsidize contraceptives and cancer and sexually transmitted infection screenings for people who can't afford them. Planned Parenthood saw 2.7 million patients in 2014 and provided nearly 500,000 breast exams and nearly 400,000 Pap tests. Title X does not allow any money to be used to pay for abortions for any reason. Please join me in telling Rep. Rodney Davis that defunding Planned Parenthood will not stop abortions and would actually increase the number of criminal abortions. Prior to Roe v. Wade, an estimated 1.2 million women each year resorted to illegal abortion, despite the known risks of unsanitary conditions, incompetent treatment, infection, hemorrhage, disfiguration and death. By striking down laws that forced women to resort to back-alley abortion, Roe saved many women's lives. According to one estimate made before 1973, more than 5,000 women may have died each year as a direct result of criminal abortions. SUE KLEFSTAD Monticello -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jan 26 00:05:50 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:05:50 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Planned Parenthood and Rodney Davis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <651FF380-2DC5-465E-AA47-8E3F5B348903@illinois.edu> I’ve though for a while that an oppressive society makes the issue far more difficult than it should be. Abortion ends human lives, as does war, poverty, etc. We should work for a society that doesn’t do that. As the Feminists for Life group puts it, “Women deserve better than abortion.” I won’t ask my Congressman to fund Planned Parenthood, but I will insist on Medicare for all - and vote against anyone who doesn’t vote for it. > On Jan 25, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > I support Medicare for All, but in the meantime…… > > I don’t know the author but I thought this a good article in the NG. I would like to point out that a Representative’s personal views should not take priority over that of his Constituents, that is why he is known as a Representative. Thus it’s important for those of us who support PP make our views known to him. > > Why Davis should back PP funding > Wed, 01/25/2017 - 7:00am | The News-Gazette > My U.S. representative, Rodney Davis, R-Taylorville, wants to cut funding to Planned Parenthood because of his pro-life views. I respect those views, so I informed Mr. Davis that Planned Parenthood prevents about 1 million unplanned pregnancies a year, 400,000 of which would otherwise end in abortion. > > Mr. Davis justified his lack of support for Planned Parenthood by pointing to his support for community health centers. However, I reminded Mr. Davis that Planned Parenthood serves about a third of the Title X low-income population, using the $70 million a year it receives in Title X grants to subsidize contraceptives and cancer and sexually transmitted infection screenings for people who can't afford them. > > Planned Parenthood saw 2.7 million patients in 2014 and provided nearly 500,000 breast exams and nearly 400,000 Pap tests. Title X does not allow any money to be used to pay for abortions for any reason. > > Please join me in telling Rep. Rodney Davis that defunding Planned Parenthood will not stop abortions and would actually increase the number of criminal abortions. Prior to Roe v. Wade, an estimated 1.2 million women each year resorted to illegal abortion, despite the known risks of unsanitary conditions, incompetent treatment, infection, hemorrhage, disfiguration and death. > > > > By striking down laws that forced women to resort to back-alley abortion, Roe saved many women's lives. According to one estimate made before 1973, more than 5,000 women may have died each year as a direct result of criminal abortions. > > SUE KLEFSTAD > > Monticello > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Thu Jan 26 03:45:49 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 03:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Dick Durbin: "Russian strongman" References: <167875829.1328024.1485402349096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <167875829.1328024.1485402349096@mail.yahoo.com> Fellow Illinoisan, Last Friday, America achieved what so many nations have failed to do – peacefully transition to new leadership. It’s tradition that is more than 200 years old. That’s worth celebrating. That’s democracy.  But what if an election is about something other than two opposing American political parties? What happens when we’re presented with proof that the leader of a hostile foreign government – a former KGB official in fact – personally directed cyberattacks against our democracy and tried to influence the election to further his country’s interests? Click here to watch me speak on the U.S. Senate floor on the attempt by Russian hackers to influence the 2016 election. Our intelligence community recently issued a damning and highly detailed assessment concluding that Russian strongman Vladimir Putin ordered an attack on our nation’s electoral system to sow mistrust and favor one candidate over another. I have read the public and classified versions as well as attended a recent classified briefing on the findings. And I can tell you that the evidence is overwhelming and deeply troubling. This is bigger than one election or one man. This is about our national security and should be taken seriously by the President of the United States. It is time for my Republican colleagues to put country before party and our national security interests ahead of any one person or one President. I am calling for a bipartisan independent commission of public officials and private citizens with subpoena power to investigate. Such a commission could be led by people the American people trust, like General Colin Powell and Justice Sandra Day O’Connor – people of unquestionable integrity who will make the right finding for America and not for any political reasons. If we are going to have a comprehensive, credible investigation it must also have resources, time, adequate staff, and adequate authority. In the end, the American people deserve the truth. The stakes are simply too high to ignore.  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jan 26 04:09:44 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 22:09:44 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Dick Durbin: "Russian strongman" In-Reply-To: <167875829.1328024.1485402349096@mail.yahoo.com> References: <167875829.1328024.1485402349096.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <167875829.1328024.1485402349096@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The Onion? No, they wouldn’t print satire this dumb. Colin Powell, who gave the UN evidence of Iraqi WMD? His name leads all the rest? What a giveaway that it’s a joke... The sinister side of this is that it’s another Democratic attempt to delegitimize an administration that might not promote war and rumors of war as the last one did. > On Jan 25, 2017, at 9:45 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Fellow Illinoisan, > Last Friday, America achieved what so many nations have failed to do – peacefully transition to new leadership. It’s tradition that is more than 200 years old. That’s worth celebrating. That’s democracy. > But what if an election is about something other than two opposing American political parties? What happens when we’re presented with proof that the leader of a hostile foreign government – a former KGB official in fact – personally directed cyberattacks against our democracy and tried to influence the election to further his country’s interests? > > Click here to watch me speak on the U.S. Senate floor on the attempt by Russian hackers to influence the 2016 election. > Our intelligence community recently issued a damning and highly detailed assessment concluding that Russian strongman Vladimir Putin ordered an attack on our nation’s electoral system to sow mistrust and favor one candidate over another. > I have read the public and classified versions as well as attended a recent classified briefing on the findings. And I can tell you that the evidence is overwhelming and deeply troubling. This is bigger than one election or one man. This is about our national security and should be taken seriously by the President of the United States. > It is time for my Republican colleagues to put country before party and our national security interests ahead of any one person or one President. > I am calling for a bipartisan independent commission of public officials and private citizens with subpoena power to investigate. Such a commission could be led by people the American people trust, like General Colin Powell and Justice Sandra Day O’Connor – people of unquestionable integrity who will make the right finding for America and not for any political reasons. If we are going to have a comprehensive, credible investigation it must also have resources, time, adequate staff, and adequate authority. > In the end, the American people deserve the truth. 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Kristina Kahn - Champaign-Urbana activist and IWW member, will also be with us live to talk about the Women's March last weekend in Champaign. Stay tuned after the WORLD LABOR HOUR for THE UNION EDGE from 1-2PM with Host Charles Showalter. WRFU 104.5 FM - Radio Free Urbana -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 15:07:36 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:07:36 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump the Peace President? Message-ID: Roger Helbig, Oh yes, Trump was brought to a position of power by all of us,  not just half of us. Just look at Mitch Daniels, Gov Walker, Gov Rauner. Trump is a continuation of a trend.  When you say, "everyone believes him [Trump]", my answer is no not everyone.  -karen medina -------- Original message --------From: Roger Helbig Date: 1/26/17 06:45 (GMT-06:00) To: kmedina67 Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Trump the Peace President? You and the far left in Wisconsin and Michigan can thank themselves for Trump - and yes, his tax returns matter - so does the idea that Trump can lie and everyone will believe it - read this https://goo.gl/ZqbWQF - he wants to revive torture - listen to David Muir's interview on ABC and has muzzled genuine scientists so the fake ones can put out their alternative facts!  Debra was right on. Roger On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 3:15 PM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss wrote: Dear Debra,  I had heard about only 2/3 of these. * I am not sure i understand the county's move to suppress votes. I am not surprised, but would like more info on this. * i had not heard about gtmo, torture, or black site prisons. I am appalled by all the presidents and representatives who helped support these in the past and now. * honestly, i don't care about his tax returns. The conflict of interest,  i do care about. *re: the ACA, the most recent moves seem to be to replace the ACA. I continue to support single payer or Medicare for all, neither of which is even supported by more than the roguest of democrats. Reform is worth working on while we continue to work for what we really need,  revolution in the healthcare system.  I am hoping that the legality of the executive orders and executive memos will be challenged adequately. How do we find out who to encourage for this? Even the best media is asking nothing about whether the EPA is required to abide by the executive orders.  We are calling our reps on all sorts of issues and about the ongoing appointment confirmations.  I would be interested in yelling at the press for asking the wrong questions and spending way too much time covering tweets, raindrops, busts, and taxes.  Meanwhile, there is so much wonderful stuff going on in the community:  education events, support for immigrants and lgbtq, and environmental action,  people organizing who have never organized before.  There is so much to fight for in the way of basic human rights (against physical and other walls and for health care even non citizens) and environmental impact ( including promised deregulation, coal, and pipelines) as well as the ongoing attacks on labor unions and privatization of everything from social services to governmental services.  Locally,  there seems to be groups meeting every day and night. I am also proud of those who are reaching out to those who have political views different from their own- - ignoring their numbers would be a dangerous oversight.  i hear very little silence - Karen Medina Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss Date: 1/25/17 16:19 (GMT-06:00) To: Peace-discuss List Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump the Peace President? Did I miss something? Or is the silence deafening in the progressive community of C-U? In the past 5 days President Trump has started the process to take health insurance away from millions of Americans, restrict immigration from predominantly Muslim countries, restart the destructive DAPL and Keystone XL pipelines, moved to restrict funding for sanctuary cities, put media blackouts on federal agencies, said torture absolutely works and eased the way to fill up Gitmo and restart so-called black site prisons, wants "major investigation" into the " massive voter fraud" by millions of "illegal aliens," reinstated the global gag rule, is preparing to negate the small amount of progress made to slow climate change, and refused again to ever release his tax returns. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."--Rt Hon Edmund Burke Even our own County Board passed a resolution that would suppress voting in the upcoming municipal election. Get with it, People! Thanks and a tip of the hat to Susan Parenti for suggestion about writing to Pres Trump about support for ACA. My letter is in the mail. Deb Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: globenet at yahoogroups.com [mailto:globenet at yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:14 AM To: GN List Serve Subject: [globenet] Citizens label California drone base a "crime scene," act of public service leads to arrests From: Brian Terrell Citizens label California drone base a "crime scene," act of public service leads to arrests Occupy Beale started off a new presidential administration with a protest on Tuesday morning, January 25, at the Main Gate of California’s Beale Air Force Base, home of the Global Hawk drones. Before dawn, yellow “Crime Scene- Do not Cross” tape marked the Beale Air Force Base sign which was also labeled with a poster stating that “Drone Warfare is a Crime.” Air Force police ignored this warning and once again arrested the wrong people, taking Flora Rogers and Brian Terrell into custody. After a brief and cordial detention, they were released with federal trespass citations. “They say 'if you see something, say something' but they don't like it when you do,” remarked Brian Terrell. Terrell, a co-coordinator of Voices for Creative Nonviolence and a Catholic Worker from Iowa, is in Northern California for the next two weeks speaking on “Killer Drones- Obama’s Tragic Legacy and a Blunt and Homicidal Weapon Handed to His Successor.” contact Flora Rogers > or Brian Terrell > ________________________________ __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jan 26 16:09:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:09:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Citizens label California drone base a "crime scene, "/Illinois Nazis Law School Crime Scene on Oct.28, 2016 Message-ID: So notice the comparison: These Good People in California risk going to jail. Meanwhile the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty bring Obama’s Droner in Chief Killer Koh into our Good Community despite my best efforts to stop them and stink us all up with the Blood of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color dripping from their hands. Let this be the Epitaph for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty--last year ranked No. 47 in the country for good cause: Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:11 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: Citizens label California drone base a "crime scene,"/Illinois Nazis Law School Crime Scene on Oct.28, 2016 Terrell, a co-coordinator of Voices for Creative Nonviolence and a Catholic Worker from Iowa, is in Northern California for the next two weeks speaking on “Killer Drones- Obama’s Tragic Legacy and a Blunt and Homicidal Weapon Handed to His Successor.” Ditto for Killer Koh. The Illinois Nazis Law School was a Crime Scene on October 28, 2016. Just a Gang of Sick Puppies All! Fab Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: “Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!” Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: globenet at yahoogroups.com [mailto:globenet at yahoogroups.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:14 AM To: GN List Serve > Subject: [globenet] Citizens label California drone base a "crime scene," act of public service leads to arrests From: Brian Terrell Citizens label California drone base a "crime scene," act of public service leads to arrests Occupy Beale started off a new presidential administration with a protest on Tuesday morning, January 25, at the Main Gate of California’s Beale Air Force Base, home of the Global Hawk drones. Before dawn, yellow “Crime Scene- Do not Cross” tape marked the Beale Air Force Base sign which was also labeled with a poster stating that “Drone Warfare is a Crime.” Air Force police ignored this warning and once again arrested the wrong people, taking Flora Rogers and Brian Terrell into custody. After a brief and cordial detention, they were released with federal trespass citations. “They say 'if you see something, say something' but they don't like it when you do,” remarked Brian Terrell. Terrell, a co-coordinator of Voices for Creative Nonviolence and a Catholic Worker from Iowa, is in Northern California for the next two weeks speaking on “Killer Drones- Obama’s Tragic Legacy and a Blunt and Homicidal Weapon Handed to His Successor.” contact Flora Rogers > or Brian Terrell > ________________________________ __,_._,___ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jan 26 16:57:33 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:57:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: Leaked Trump Order for Torture and CIA Black Sites Message-ID: God Damn Fired and Disgraced and Sanctioned Illinois Nazis Law Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael Moore stinking up this entire Good Community with their advocacy of Torture on behalf of the CIA and Mossad since their arrival here! fab LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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I saw him on a panel recently with Peter Lavalle, he is awful, really out of it. Maybe altzheimers? > On Jan 26, 2017, at 09:23, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jan 26 17:43:01 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 11:43:01 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A conspiracy exposed! In-Reply-To: <254E5FBF-6E02-42F5-8E0A-41A846E5DB1E@illinois.edu> References: <254E5FBF-6E02-42F5-8E0A-41A846E5DB1E@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <02D048DC-8AA6-4101-9284-EFF3714958A1@illinois.edu> Ron— I take it this means you support "Obama's nightmare policies of Obamacare, massive regulations – even his war on God,” as the blurb has it. You’re not bovvered that this text "unveils the left's true nature, their hidden methods and motivations, and the dirty, underhanded tricks they use to advance their goal of total control over our lives”? I look forward to your defending this position on future editions of AWARE ON THE AIR, when your hiatus ends. Regards, Carl > On Jan 26, 2017, at 11:23 AM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jan 26 17:57:52 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 11:57:52 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump the Peace President? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11725B34-8DEE-4EF4-AAC7-BF92F75E3526@illinois.edu> I think that it would be worthwhile to organize against the vicious war policy followed by the last administration - which the neocons/'deep state'/Democrats are working desperately to foist upon the new administration. (See e.g. "Rep. Keith Ellison, the Personification of the Phony, Pro-War 'Progressive’” >.) We should demand that President Trump ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations; ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks (with which Obama killed thousands of people); ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring US troops (and weapons) home; and withdraw US ‘special forces’ (death squads), whom the Obama administration sent into 70% of the world’s countries; ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. —CGE > On Jan 25, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Did I miss something? Or is the silence deafening in the progressive community of C-U? > > In the past 5 days President Trump has started the process to take health insurance away from millions of Americans, restrict immigration from predominantly Muslim countries, restart the destructive DAPL and Keystone XL pipelines, moved to restrict funding for sanctuary cities, put media blackouts on federal agencies, said torture absolutely works and eased the way to fill up Gitmo and restart so-called black site prisons, wants "major investigation" into the " massive voter fraud" by millions of "illegal aliens," reinstated the global gag rule, is preparing to negate the small amount of progress made to slow climate change, and refused again to ever release his tax returns. > > "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing."--Rt Hon Edmund Burke > > Even our own County Board passed a resolution that would suppress voting in the upcoming municipal election. Get with it, People! > > Thanks and a tip of the hat to Susan Parenti for suggestion about writing to Pres Trump about support for ACA. My letter is in the mail. > > Deb > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Thu Jan 26 18:08:05 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:08:05 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump the Peace President? Message-ID: CGE wrote: "We should demand that President Trump ... stop the drone attacks" "The first drone strikes under President Trump were carried out in central Yemen over the weekend, the Pentagon said Monday. // On Friday, Saturday and Sunday, armed U.S. drones attacked al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen at Al Bayda, a town about 175 miles southwest of Sanaa, the capital." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/01/23/the-first-drone-strikes-of-the-trump-administration-happened-over-the-weekend/?utm_term=.89802fcecb59 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jan 26 18:27:25 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 12:27:25 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump the Peace President? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7BE7E002-D5EF-4432-B93C-FE47A1581588@illinois.edu> Obama left his drone assassinations on ‘auto-pilot,’ as it were: he arranged it so that regional and local commanders can now order killings (like these in Yemen) without reference to the president’s “Terror Tuesdays” (as White House aides called them), when Obama picked those to be killed from lists supplied by CIA director John Brennan. That arrangement - like Obama’s bombing attacks on Libya and Syria in his last days in office - is another example of the desperate attempts by the neocons/'deep state'/Democrats to lock the new administration into the vicious war policy of the outgoing administration. They may be successful. > On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > CGE wrote: "We should demand that President Trump ... stop the drone attacks" > > "The first drone strikes under President Trump were carried out in central Yemen over the weekend, the Pentagon said Monday. // On Friday, Saturday and Sunday, armed U.S. drones attacked al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen at Al Bayda, a town about 175 miles southwest of Sanaa, the capital." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/01/23/the-first-drone-strikes-of-the-trump-administration-happened-over-the-weekend/?utm_term=.89802fcecb59 > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <7BE7E002-D5EF-4432-B93C-FE47A1581588@illinois.edu> References: <7BE7E002-D5EF-4432-B93C-FE47A1581588@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <4716E71F-F19B-4325-8FB4-FC6ADF93C92F@illinois.edu> "Donald J. Trump and congressional Republicans will have the power to begin undoing Barack Obama’s presidency. But they are going to have a harder time than many people realize," writes David Leonhardt in The New York Times Opinion Section (Jan. 17). [Lisa Renee] Where are the identity politics crowd on this one? The man has dropped more bombs on brown people than both Bushes combined and holds the record on deportations. This makes it pretty clear the NYT places very little value, if any, on those lives. > On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > Obama left his drone assassinations on ‘auto-pilot,’ as it were: he arranged it so that regional and local commanders can now order killings (like these in Yemen) without reference to the president’s “Terror Tuesdays” (as White House aides called them), when Obama picked those to be killed from lists supplied by CIA director John Brennan. > > That arrangement - like Obama’s bombing attacks on Libya and Syria in his last days in office - is another example of the desperate attempts by the neocons/'deep state'/Democrats to lock the new administration into the vicious war policy of the outgoing administration. They may be successful. > > >> On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> >> CGE wrote: "We should demand that President Trump ... stop the drone attacks" >> >> "The first drone strikes under President Trump were carried out in central Yemen over the weekend, the Pentagon said Monday. // On Friday, Saturday and Sunday, armed U.S. drones attacked al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Yemen at Al Bayda, a town about 175 miles southwest of Sanaa, the capital." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/01/23/the-first-drone-strikes-of-the-trump-administration-happened-over-the-weekend/?utm_term=.89802fcecb59 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Under the policy established by the Obama administration, the authority for ordering the drone strikes rests with the head of US Central Command, currently US Army General Joseph Votel.” https://www.rt.com/usa/374840-drone-strikes-yemen-trump/ > On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:31 PM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss wrote: > > CGE wrote: "Obama left his drone assassinations on ‘auto-pilot,’ as it were" > > If Trump turned off all the other "auto pilot" systems left in place by the previous administrations, why not the drone one too? > > -karen medina > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jan 26 19:18:23 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 13:18:23 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Champaign County Democrats endorse Congressman Keith Ellison for DNC Chair In-Reply-To: <0E8BA8EB-5212-405C-9E6F-CC7434983856@gmail.com> References: <0E8BA8EB-5212-405C-9E6F-CC7434983856@gmail.com> Message-ID: ...Rep. Keith Ellison, the Black Congressman from Minneapolis, a Muslim who now aspires to head the Democratic National Committee and is touted as one of the nation’s leading “progressives,” defended the U.S. aggression against Libya as a blow for “freedom and the right to self-determination.” In reality, it was the opening salvo in Obama’s military occupation of Africa and his hellish alliance with Islamic jihadists that would result in the death of half a million people in Syria and the destruction of that country’s infrastructure… From "The Obama Legacy: A Temporary Deformity of Black Minds on War and Peace,” by Glen Ford 01/18/2017 >. > On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Susan Parenti via Peace wrote: > > YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!! >> On Jan 26, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace > wrote: >> >> http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/1710 >> >> Champaign County Democrats endorse Congressman Keith Ellison for DNC Chair >> >> >> Contact: Robert Naiman, Just Foreign Policy, naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >> >> Champaign, IL – On Wednesday, January 25, the Champaign County Democratic Central Committee voted overwhelmingly to endorse the candidacy of Keith Ellison to be the next chair of the Democratic National Committee. On the weekend of February 24 , members of the Democratic National Committee will meet and vote to determine the new DNC chair at the DNC's Winter Meeting. [1] >> >> >> Democratic precinct committeemen who supported the resolution to endorse Keith Ellison included Urbana Mayor Laurel Prussing, Urbana City Clerk Phyllis Clark, Party Chair Maryam Ar-Raheem, Urbana Aldermen Aaron Ammons and Eric Jakobsson, County Board Member Josh Hartke, former Urbana Alderman Ruth Wyman and former County Board Members Jan Anderson and Robert Naiman. >> >> >> In declaring their support for Keith Ellison to lead the DNC, Champaign County Democrats join the Democratic Party of DuPage County and Kankakee County Democratic Party, as well as U.S. Sen. Tammy Duckworth, State Rep. Carol Ammons, State Party Vice-Chair Karen Yarbrough, U.S. Rep Jan Schakowsky, and the Illinois Democratic County Chairmen’s Association. [2] >> >> >> With Senator Sanders, Rep. Ellison led the fight last summer to get the Democratic Platform to oppose the anti-democratic, anti-worker Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement [TPP]. [3] >> >> >> Just Foreign Policy [4] welcomes the decision of Champaign County Democrats to endorse Keith Ellison to lead the DNC and calls on the DNC to pass a resolution supporting U.S. withdrawal from the TPP and renegotiation of the North American Free Trade Agreement [NAFTA] to make it serve the interests and values of working families. [5] >> >> >> References: >> >> 1. http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/23/13703720/dnc-chair-election-rules-members >> 2. http://ildcca.org/2017/01/idcca-endorses-congressman-keith-ellison-dnc-chairman/ >> 3. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/29/obama-and-sanders-battle-over-tpp-and-the-democratic-platform/ >> 4. http://justforeignpolicy.org/ >> 5. http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/dnc-dems-help-keith-ellison?r_by=1135580 >> >> === >> >> Robert Naiman >> Policy Director >> Just Foreign Policy >> www.justforeignpolicy.org >> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >> (202) 448-2898 x1 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Micah Zenko of the Council on Foreign Relations reminds us that: 'On January 23, 2009, just three days into his presidency, President Obama authorized his first kinetic military action, two drone strikes, three hours apart, in Waziristan, Pakistan, that killed as many as twenty civilians.' According to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism , there were ten times as many drone strikes under Obama than under President George W. Bush. The Bureau also notes that there were more drone strikes during Obama’s first year in office than during eight years of the Bush Administration. To some extent, these facts reflect Bush’s preference for capturing Al-Qaeda and Taliban rather than killing them. "Thank goodness for the Obama Nostalgia Industry which had gotten into high gear even before Obama left the White House. They have been busily burnishing Obama’s legacy as a Man of Peace. Thanks to them, we can rest comfortably in the knowledge that even when Obama killed innocent foreigners with Hellfire missiles he killed them peacefully…” http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/26/the-year-in-drones-2016/ —CGE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jan 26 21:03:32 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:03:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: [Peace] US drone killing program In-Reply-To: <5B2A8718-A685-4710-88F2-F6F0BF969A31@illinois.edu> References: <0E8BA8EB-5212-405C-9E6F-CC7434983856@gmail.com> <5B2A8718-A685-4710-88F2-F6F0BF969A31@illinois.edu> Message-ID: The Bureau also notes that there were more drone strikes during Obama’s first year in office than during eight years of the Bush Administration. Thanks Carl.The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a Gang of Sick Puppies All! Fab. Out, damn'd spot! out, I say! Doctor: What is it she does now? Look how she rubs her hands. Gentlewoman: It is an accustom'd action with her, to seem thus washing her hands. I have known her continue in this a quarter of an hour. Lady Macbeth: Yet here's a spot. Doctor: Hark, she speaks. I will set down what comes from her, to satisfy my remembrance the more strongly. Lady Macbeth: Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then 'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him? Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26– Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:39 PM To: Peace-discuss List Cc: peace Subject: [Peace] US drone killing program "During his Presidential campaign, Donald J. Trump said that he would continue the Obama Administration’s drone killing program. Indeed, drone strikes against Al Qaeda in Yemen on January 19, 20, and 21 overlapped the Obama and Trump Presidencies. "President Trump did not sign off on any of these attacks. The strikes were conducted under the authority President Obama had delegated to CENTCOM commander General Joseph Votel. Still, a Trump-authorized drone strike even this early in his Administration would not break with precedent established by Obama. Micah Zenko of the Council on Foreign Relations reminds us that: 'On January 23, 2009, just three days into his presidency, President Obama authorized his first kinetic military action, two drone strikes, three hours apart, in Waziristan, Pakistan, that killed as many as twenty civilians.' According to the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, there were ten times as many drone strikes under Obama than under President George W. Bush. The Bureau also notes that there were more drone strikes during Obama’s first year in office than during eight years of the Bush Administration. To some extent, these facts reflect Bush’s preference for capturing Al-Qaeda and Taliban rather than killing them. "Thank goodness for the Obama Nostalgia Industry which had gotten into high gear even before Obama left the White House. They have been busily burnishing Obama’s legacy as a Man of Peace. Thanks to them, we can rest comfortably in the knowledge that even when Obama killed innocent foreigners with Hellfire missiles he killed them peacefully…” http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/26/the-year-in-drones-2016/ —CGE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: [21st Century Wire] * International * Europe * Middle East» * US News» * Eurasia» * Sci-Tech * Hollywood * White Helmets * Tulsi Gabbard SYRIA: “There are NO Moderates”, Tulsi Gabbard’s Report from Syria JANUARY 26, 2017 BY VANESSA BEELEY 7 COMMENTS [tulsi-3] Screenshot from CNN interview with Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard after her return from Syria, confirming what 21WIRE and others have said for the last three years: “There are NO moderates (rebels)” in Syria. 21st Century Wire says… Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard has recently returned from an “under-wraps” fact finding mission to Syria where she met with Syrian people across a wide spectrum of Syrian society, including those recently liberated from Nusra Front-led terrorist occupation in East Aleppo. What she found, confirmed that the corporate media, NATO-aligned NGOs and the US interventionist coalition have been misrepresenting the facts on the ground in Syria for the last six years, funding terrorism and fanfaring an illegal regime-change programme. The globalists are not happy! Gabbard had already caused major shock-waves in Congress with her “Stop Arming Terrorists”bill that exposed Washington’s violation of anti terrorism laws by providing money, weapons and intelligence to terrorist organisations working on their behalf inside Syria to topple the Syrian government. This is the interview with Jake Tapper of CNN who starts the programme rolling with the familiar corporate media child exploitation tactics, introducing us to Bana Alabed, a child who has been co-opted into the war effort. Watch ~ Tulsi Gabbard’s Report from Syria ~ The Syrian People Desperately Want Peace As much of Washington prepared for the inauguration of President Donald Trump, I spent last week on a fact-finding mission in Syria and Lebanon to see and hear directly from the Syrian people. Their lives have been consumed by a horrific war that has killed hundreds of thousands of Syrians and forced millions to flee their homeland in search of peace. It is clear now more than ever: this regime change war does not serve America’s interest, and it certainly isn’t in the interest of the Syrian people. [img_1056] Hanano, East Aleppo, 48 hours after liberation from Nusra Front led occupation, by SAA and allies (Photo: Vanessa Beeley) I traveled throughout Damascus and Aleppo, listening to Syrians from different parts of the country. I met with displaced families from the eastern part of Aleppo, Raqqah, Zabadani, Latakia, and the outskirts of Damascus. I met Syrian opposition leaders who led protests in 2011, widows and children of men fighting for the government and widows of those fighting against the government. I met Lebanon’s newly-elected President Aoun and Prime Minister Hariri, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Elizabeth Richard, Syrian President Assad, Grand Mufti Hassoun, Archbishop Denys Antoine Chahda of Syrian Catholic Church of Aleppo, Muslim and Christian religious leaders, humanitarian workers, academics, college students, small business owners, and more. Their message to the American people was powerful and consistent: There is no difference between “moderate” rebels and al-Qaeda (al-Nusra) or ISIS — they are all the same. This is a war between terrorists under the command of groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda and the Syrian government. They cry out for the U.S. and other countries to stop supporting those who are destroying Syria and her people. I heard this message over and over again from those who have suffered and survived unspeakable horrors. They asked that I share their voice with the world; frustrated voices which have not been heard due to the false, one-sided biased reports pushing a narrative that supports this regime change war at the expense of Syrian lives. I heard testimony about how peaceful protests against the government that began in 2011 were quickly overtaken by Wahhabi jihadist groups like al-Qaeda (al-Nusra) who were funded and supported by Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, the United States, and others. They exploited the peaceful protesters, occupied their communities, and killed and tortured Syrians who would not cooperate with them in their fight to overthrow the government. I met a Muslim girl from Zabadani who was kidnapped, beaten repeatedly, and raped in 2012, when she was just 14 years old, by “rebel groups” who were angry that her father, a sheep herder, would not give them his money. She watched in horror as masked men murdered her father in their living room, emptying their entire magazine of bullets into him. I met a boy who was kidnapped while walking down the street to buy bread for his family. He was tortured, waterboarded, electrocuted, placed on a cross and whipped, all because he refused to help the “rebels” — he told them he just wanted to go to school. This is how the “rebels” are treating the Syrian people who do not cooperate with them, or whose religion is not acceptable to them. Although opposed to the Assad government, the political opposition spoke strongly about their adamant rejection of the use of violence to bring about reforms. They argue that if the Wahhabi jihadists, fueled by foreign governments, are successful in overthrowing the Syrian state, it would destroy Syria and its long history of a secular, pluralist society where people of all religions have lived peacefully side by side. Although this political opposition continues to seek reforms, they are adamant that as long as foreign governments wage a proxy regime change war against Syria using jihadist terrorist groups, they will stand with the Syrian state as they work peacefully toward a stronger Syria for all Syrians. Originally, I had no intention of meeting with Assad, but when given the opportunity, I felt it was important to take it. I think we should be ready to meet with anyone if there’s a chance it can help bring about an end to this war, which is causing the Syrian people so much suffering. I return to Washington, DC with even greater resolve to end our illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government. From Iraq to Libya and now in Syria, the U.S. has waged wars of regime change, each resulting in unimaginable suffering, devastating loss of life, and the strengthening of groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS. I call upon Congress and the new Administration to answer the pleas of the Syrian people immediately and support the Stop Arming Terrorists Act. We must stop directly and indirectly supporting terrorists — directly by providing weapons, training and logistical support to rebel groups affiliated with al-Qaeda and ISIS; and indirectly through Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, and Turkey, who, in turn, support these terrorist groups. We must end our war to overthrow the Syrian government and focus our attention on defeating al-Qaeda and ISIS. The U.S. must stop supporting terrorists who are destroying Syria and her people. The U.S. and other countries fueling this war must stop immediately. We must allow the Syrian people to try to recover from this terrible war. Thank you, Tulsi Tulsi Gabbard’s Video Depicting Life in Aleppo and Across Syria “The U.S. must stop supporting terrorists who are destroying Syria and her people. The U.S. and other countries fueling this war must stop immediately. We must allow the Syrian people to try to recover from this terrible war.” ~ Tulsi Gabbard on Facebook Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Returns From Syria with Renewed Calls: End Regime Change War in Syria Now “With my feet I walk, with my eyes I see, with my ears I listen, with my senses seek truth, my duty to speak out. A light more worthy than all the mobs demonstrating, both she (Tulsi Gabbard) and the other women who have supported the Syrian children and truth, great credit to you all.” ~ Patrick Leslie, Facebook “Forget about Trump for a moment, forget about the sides we take and don’t take in politics and read this testimony from Tulsi Gabbard who went to Syria to witness the testimony from Syrians about what really happened in this dirty war. There’s a certain character to the writings of the people who have taken it upon themselves to visit Syria with only the desire for truth. These writings, if approached with an open heart, will change you.” ~ Michael Swifte on Facebook *** SEE MORE ALEPPO UPDATES: HERE READ MORE ON SYRIA: 21st Century Wire Syria Files SUPPORT 21WIRE – SUBSCRIBE & BECOME A MEMBER @21WIRE.TV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jan 27 01:22:21 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 01:22:21 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A US Congress woman visits Syria, a Democrat, speaks the truth about our war there. Message-ID: [21st Century Wire] * International * Europe * Middle East» * US News» * Eurasia» * Sci-Tech * Hollywood * White Helmets * Tulsi Gabbard SYRIA: “There are NO Moderates”, Tulsi Gabbard’s Report from Syria JANUARY 26, 2017 BY VANESSA BEELEY 7 COMMENTS [tulsi-3] Screenshot from CNN interview with Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard after her return from Syria, confirming what 21WIRE and others have said for the last three years: “There are NO moderates (rebels)” in Syria. 21st Century Wire says… Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard has recently returned from an “under-wraps” fact finding mission to Syria where she met with Syrian people across a wide spectrum of Syrian society, including those recently liberated from Nusra Front-led terrorist occupation in East Aleppo. What she found, confirmed that the corporate media, NATO-aligned NGOs and the US interventionist coalition have been misrepresenting the facts on the ground in Syria for the last six years, funding terrorism and fanfaring an illegal regime-change programme. The globalists are not happy! Gabbard had already caused major shock-waves in Congress with her “Stop Arming Terrorists”bill that exposed Washington’s violation of anti terrorism laws by providing money, weapons and intelligence to terrorist organisations working on their behalf inside Syria to topple the Syrian government. This is the interview with Jake Tapper of CNN who starts the programme rolling with the familiar corporate media child exploitation tactics, introducing us to Bana Alabed, a child who has been co-opted into the war effort. Watch ~ Tulsi Gabbard’s Report from Syria ~ The Syrian People Desperately Want Peace As much of Washington prepared for the inauguration of President Donald Trump, I spent last week on a fact-finding mission in Syria and Lebanon to see and hear directly from the Syrian people. Their lives have been consumed by a horrific war that has killed hundreds of thousands of Syrians and forced millions to flee their homeland in search of peace. It is clear now more than ever: this regime change war does not serve America’s interest, and it certainly isn’t in the interest of the Syrian people. [img_1056] Hanano, East Aleppo, 48 hours after liberation from Nusra Front led occupation, by SAA and allies (Photo: Vanessa Beeley) I traveled throughout Damascus and Aleppo, listening to Syrians from different parts of the country. I met with displaced families from the eastern part of Aleppo, Raqqah, Zabadani, Latakia, and the outskirts of Damascus. I met Syrian opposition leaders who led protests in 2011, widows and children of men fighting for the government and widows of those fighting against the government. I met Lebanon’s newly-elected President Aoun and Prime Minister Hariri, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Elizabeth Richard, Syrian President Assad, Grand Mufti Hassoun, Archbishop Denys Antoine Chahda of Syrian Catholic Church of Aleppo, Muslim and Christian religious leaders, humanitarian workers, academics, college students, small business owners, and more. Their message to the American people was powerful and consistent: There is no difference between “moderate” rebels and al-Qaeda (al-Nusra) or ISIS — they are all the same. This is a war between terrorists under the command of groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda and the Syrian government. They cry out for the U.S. and other countries to stop supporting those who are destroying Syria and her people. I heard this message over and over again from those who have suffered and survived unspeakable horrors. They asked that I share their voice with the world; frustrated voices which have not been heard due to the false, one-sided biased reports pushing a narrative that supports this regime change war at the expense of Syrian lives. I heard testimony about how peaceful protests against the government that began in 2011 were quickly overtaken by Wahhabi jihadist groups like al-Qaeda (al-Nusra) who were funded and supported by Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, the United States, and others. They exploited the peaceful protesters, occupied their communities, and killed and tortured Syrians who would not cooperate with them in their fight to overthrow the government. I met a Muslim girl from Zabadani who was kidnapped, beaten repeatedly, and raped in 2012, when she was just 14 years old, by “rebel groups” who were angry that her father, a sheep herder, would not give them his money. She watched in horror as masked men murdered her father in their living room, emptying their entire magazine of bullets into him. I met a boy who was kidnapped while walking down the street to buy bread for his family. He was tortured, waterboarded, electrocuted, placed on a cross and whipped, all because he refused to help the “rebels” — he told them he just wanted to go to school. This is how the “rebels” are treating the Syrian people who do not cooperate with them, or whose religion is not acceptable to them. Although opposed to the Assad government, the political opposition spoke strongly about their adamant rejection of the use of violence to bring about reforms. They argue that if the Wahhabi jihadists, fueled by foreign governments, are successful in overthrowing the Syrian state, it would destroy Syria and its long history of a secular, pluralist society where people of all religions have lived peacefully side by side. Although this political opposition continues to seek reforms, they are adamant that as long as foreign governments wage a proxy regime change war against Syria using jihadist terrorist groups, they will stand with the Syrian state as they work peacefully toward a stronger Syria for all Syrians. Originally, I had no intention of meeting with Assad, but when given the opportunity, I felt it was important to take it. I think we should be ready to meet with anyone if there’s a chance it can help bring about an end to this war, which is causing the Syrian people so much suffering. I return to Washington, DC with even greater resolve to end our illegal war to overthrow the Syrian government. From Iraq to Libya and now in Syria, the U.S. has waged wars of regime change, each resulting in unimaginable suffering, devastating loss of life, and the strengthening of groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS. I call upon Congress and the new Administration to answer the pleas of the Syrian people immediately and support the Stop Arming Terrorists Act. We must stop directly and indirectly supporting terrorists — directly by providing weapons, training and logistical support to rebel groups affiliated with al-Qaeda and ISIS; and indirectly through Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, and Turkey, who, in turn, support these terrorist groups. We must end our war to overthrow the Syrian government and focus our attention on defeating al-Qaeda and ISIS. The U.S. must stop supporting terrorists who are destroying Syria and her people. The U.S. and other countries fueling this war must stop immediately. We must allow the Syrian people to try to recover from this terrible war. Thank you, Tulsi Tulsi Gabbard’s Video Depicting Life in Aleppo and Across Syria “The U.S. must stop supporting terrorists who are destroying Syria and her people. The U.S. and other countries fueling this war must stop immediately. We must allow the Syrian people to try to recover from this terrible war.” ~ Tulsi Gabbard on Facebook Rep. Tulsi Gabbard Returns From Syria with Renewed Calls: End Regime Change War in Syria Now “With my feet I walk, with my eyes I see, with my ears I listen, with my senses seek truth, my duty to speak out. A light more worthy than all the mobs demonstrating, both she (Tulsi Gabbard) and the other women who have supported the Syrian children and truth, great credit to you all.” ~ Patrick Leslie, Facebook “Forget about Trump for a moment, forget about the sides we take and don’t take in politics and read this testimony from Tulsi Gabbard who went to Syria to witness the testimony from Syrians about what really happened in this dirty war. There’s a certain character to the writings of the people who have taken it upon themselves to visit Syria with only the desire for truth. These writings, if approached with an open heart, will change you.” ~ Michael Swifte on Facebook *** SEE MORE ALEPPO UPDATES: HERE READ MORE ON SYRIA: 21st Century Wire Syria Files SUPPORT 21WIRE – SUBSCRIBE & BECOME A MEMBER @21WIRE.TV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jan 27 09:28:05 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 09:28:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: Leaked Trump Order for Torture and CIA Black Sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Illinois Nazis Law Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her CIA/Mossad Consort Michael Moore have always been at the level of Trump-down in the gutter! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:58 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: NYT: Leaked Trump Order for Torture and CIA Black Sites God Damn Fired and Disgraced and Sanctioned Illinois Nazis Law Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael Moore stinking up this entire Good Community with their advocacy of Torture on behalf of the CIA and Mossad since their arrival here! fab LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jan 28 13:40:01 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 13:40:01 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Message from the White House, posted by top international journalist Pepe Escobar Message-ID: Pepe Escobar 9 hrs · THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release January 27, 2017 EXECUTIVE ORDER - - - - - - - PROTECTING THE NATION FROM FOREIGN TERRORIST ENTRY INTO THE UNITED STATES By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows: Trump signs 'extreme vetting' executive order for people entering the US Read more Section 1. Purpose. The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States. Numerous foreign-born individuals have been convicted or implicated in terrorism-related crimes since September 11, 2001, including foreign nationals who entered the United States after receiving visitor, student, or employment visas, or who entered through the United States refugee resettlement program. Deteriorating conditions in certain countries due to war, strife, disaster, and civil unrest increase the likelihood that terrorists will use any means possible to enter the United States. The United States must be vigilant during the visa-issuance process to ensure that those approved for admission do not intend to harm Americans and that they have no ties to terrorism. In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles. The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including “honor” killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation. Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the United States to protect its citizens from foreign nationals who intend to commit terrorist attacks in the United States; and to prevent the admission of foreign nationals who intend to exploit United States immigration laws for malevolent purposes. Donald Trump's first 100 days as president – daily updates Read more Sec. 3. Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall immediately conduct a review to determine the information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat. (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall submit to the President a report on the results of the review described in subsection (a) of this section, including the Secretary of Homeland Security’s determination of the information needed for adjudications and a list of countries that do not provide adequate information, within 30 days of the date of this order. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide a copy of the report to the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence. (c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas). (d) Immediately upon receipt of the report described in subsection (b) of this section regarding the information needed for adjudications, the Secretary of State shall request all foreign governments that do not supply such information to start providing such information regarding their nationals within 60 days of notification. (e) After the 60-day period described in subsection (d) of this section expires, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall submit to the President a list of countries recommended for inclusion on a Presidential proclamation that would prohibit the entry of foreign nationals (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas) from countries that do not provide the information requested pursuant to subsection (d) of this section until compliance occurs. (f) At any point after submitting the list described in subsection (e) of this section, the Secretary of State or the Secretary of Homeland Security may submit to the President the names of any additional countries recommended for similar treatment. (g) Notwithstanding a suspension pursuant to subsection (c) of this section or pursuant to a Presidential proclamation described in subsection (e) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may, on a case-by-case basis, and when in the national interest, issue visas or other immigration benefits to nationals of countries for which visas and benefits are otherwise blocked. (h) The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall submit to the President a joint report on the progress in implementing this order within 30 days of the date of this order, a second report within 60 days of the date of this order, a third report within 90 days of the date of this order, and a fourth report within 120 days of the date of this order. Sec. 4. Implementing Uniform Screening Standards for All Immigration Programs. (a) The Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall implement a program, as part of the adjudication process for immigration benefits, to identify individuals seeking to enter the United States on a fraudulent basis with the intent to cause harm, or who are at risk of causing harm subsequent to their admission. This program will include the development of a uniform screening standard and procedure, such as in-person interviews; a database of identity documents proffered by applicants to ensure that duplicate documents are not used by multiple applicants; amended application forms that include questions aimed at identifying fraudulent answers and malicious intent; a mechanism to ensure that the applicant is who the applicant claims to be; a process to evaluate the applicant’s likelihood of becoming a positively contributing member of society and the applicant’s ability to make contributions to the national interest; and a mechanism to assess whether or not the applicant has the intent to commit criminal or terrorist acts after entering the United States. (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Secretary of State, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, shall submit to the President an initial report on the progress of this directive within 60 days of the date of this order, a second report within 100 days of the date of this order, and a third report within 200 days of the date of this order. Sec. 5. Realignment of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for Fiscal Year 2017. (a) The Secretary of State shall suspend the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for 120 days. During the 120-day period, the Secretary of State, in conjunction with the Secretary of Homeland Security and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, shall review the USRAP application and adjudication process to determine what additional procedures should be taken to ensure that those approved for refugee admission do not pose a threat to the security and welfare of the United States, and shall implement such additional procedures. Refugee applicants who are already in the USRAP process may be admitted upon the initiation and completion of these revised procedures. Upon the date that is 120 days after the date of this order, the Secretary of State shall resume USRAP admissions only for nationals of countries for which the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Director of National Intelligence have jointly determined that such additional procedures are adequate to ensure the security and welfare of the United States. (b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization. (c) Pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the entry of nationals of Syria as refugees is detrimental to the interests of the United States and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I have determined that sufficient changes have been made to the USRAP to ensure that admission of Syrian refugees is consistent with the national interest. (d) Pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the entry of more than 50,000 refugees in fiscal year 2017 would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I determine that additional admissions would be in the national interest. (e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest -- including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship -- and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States. (f) The Secretary of State shall submit to the President an initial report on the progress of the directive in subsection (b) of this section regarding prioritization of claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution within 100 days of the date of this order and shall submit a second report within 200 days of the date of this order. (g) It is the policy of the executive branch that, to the extent permitted by law and as practicable, State and local jurisdictions be granted a role in the process of determining the placement or settlement in their jurisdictions of aliens eligible to be admitted to the United States as refugees. To that end, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall examine existing law to determine the extent to which, consistent with applicable law, State and local jurisdictions may have greater involvement in the process of determining the placement or resettlement of refugees in their jurisdictions, and shall devise a proposal to lawfully promote such involvement. Sec. 6. Rescission of Exercise of Authority Relating to the Terrorism Grounds of Inadmissibility. The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall, in consultation with the Attorney General, consider rescinding the exercises of authority in section 212 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182, relating to the terrorism grounds of inadmissibility, as well as any related implementing memoranda. Sec. 7. Expedited Completion of the Biometric Entry-Exit Tracking System. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall expedite the completion and implementation of a biometric entry-exit tracking system for all travelers to the United States, as recommended by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States. (b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall submit to the President periodic reports on the progress of the directive contained in subsection (a) of this section. The initial report shall be submitted within 100 days of the date of this order, a second report shall be submitted within 200 days of the date of this order, and a third report shall be submitted within 365 days of the date of this order. Further, the Secretary shall submit a report every 180 days thereafter until the system is fully deployed and operational. Sec. 8. Visa Interview Security. (a) The Secretary of State shall immediately suspend the Visa Interview Waiver Program and ensure compliance with section 222 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1222, which requires that all individuals seeking a nonimmigrant visa undergo an in-person interview, subject to specific statutory exceptions. (b) To the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations, the Secretary of State shall immediately expand the Consular Fellows Program, including by substantially increasing the number of Fellows, lengthening or making permanent the period of service, and making language training at the Foreign Service Institute available to Fellows for assignment to posts outside of their area of core linguistic ability, to ensure that non-immigrant visa-interview wait times are not unduly affected. Sec. 9. Visa Validity Reciprocity. The Secretary of State shall review all nonimmigrant visa reciprocity agreements to ensure that they are, with respect to each visa classification, truly reciprocal insofar as practicable with respect to validity period and fees, as required by sections 221(c) and 281 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1201(c) and 1351, and other treatment. If a country does not treat United States nationals seeking nonimmigrant visas in a reciprocal manner, the Secretary of State shall adjust the visa validity period, fee schedule, or other treatment to match the treatment of United States nationals by the foreign country, to the extent practicable. Sec. 10. Transparency and Data Collection. (a) To be more transparent with the American people, and to more effectively implement policies and practices that serve the national interest, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Attorney General, shall, consistent with applicable law and national security, collect and make publicly available within 180 days, and every 180 days thereafter: (i) information regarding the number of foreign nationals in the United States who have been charged with terrorism-related offenses while in the United States; convicted of terrorism-related offenses while in the United States; or removed from the United States based on terrorism-related activity, affiliation, or material support to a terrorism-related organization, or any other national security reasons since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later; (ii) information regarding the number of foreign nationals in the United States who have been radicalized after entry into the United States and engaged in terrorism-related acts, or who have provided material support to terrorism-related organizations in countries that pose a threat to the United States, since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later; and (iii) information regarding the number and types of acts of gender-based violence against women, including honor killings, in the United States by foreign nationals, since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later; and (iv) any other information relevant to public safety and security as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Attorney General, including information on the immigration status of foreign nationals charged with major offenses. Council on Islamic-American Relations to sue over Trump 'extreme vetting' Read more (b) The Secretary of State shall, within one year of the date of this order, provide a report on the estimated long-term costs of the USRAP at the Federal, State, and local levels. Sec. 11. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect: (i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals. (b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person. DONALD J. TRUMP THE WHITE HOUSE, January 27, 2017. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Sat Jan 28 18:41:52 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina) Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 12:41:52 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump and Erik Prince / in communication Message-ID: Dear Peace-discuss, from Jeremy Scahill, January 17, 2017 "Notorious Mercenary Erik Prince is Advising Trump from the Shadows "Erik Prince, America’s most notorious mercenary, is lurking in the shadows of the incoming Trump administration. A former senior U.S. official who has advised the Trump transition told The Intercept that Prince has been advising the team on matters related to intelligence and defense, including weighing in on candidates for the Defense and State departments. The official asked not to be identified [...]" [...] "[Erik] Prince’s sister, billionaire Betsy DeVos, is Trump’s nominee for education secretary and Prince (and his mother) gave large sums of money to a Trump Super PAC. "Prince has a close relationship with Breitbart News and Steve Bannon, Trump’s senior counselor and chief strategist." [...] "In July [2017], Prince told Trump’s senior adviser Steve Bannon, at the time head of Breitbart News, that the Trump administration should recreate a version of the Phoenix Program, the CIA assassination ring that operated during the Vietnam War, to fight ISIS. Such a program, Prince said, could kill or capture “the funders of Islamic terror and that would even be the wealthy radical Islamist billionaires funding it from the Middle East, and any of the other illicit activities they’re in.” "In September [2017], Prince backed Trump’s proposal to commandeer Iraq’s 2 million barrels of daily oil output. “For Mr. Trump to say, ‘We’re going to take their oil — certainly we’re not going to lift it out of there and take it somewhere else, but putting it into production, and putting a tolling arrangement into place, to repay the American taxpayers for their efforts to remove Saddam and to stabilize the area, is doable, and very plausible,” Prince said on Breitbart Radio. "Prince’s sister, Betsy DeVos, is Trump’s nominee for education secretary and she has all but vowed to embark on a crusade to push a privatization and religious agenda in education that mirrors her brother’s in military and CIA affairs. Prince has long been a contributor to the campaign of fellow Christian warrior Mike Pence, and he contributed $100,000 to the pro-Trump Super PAC Make America Number 1. Prince’s mother, Elsa, pitched in another $50,000. That organization, run by Rebekah Mercer, daughter of billionaire hedge funder Robert Mercer, was one of the strongest bankrollers of Trump’s campaign." https://theintercept.com/2017/01/17/notorious-mercenary-erik-prince-is-advising-trump-from-the-shadows/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 29 12:15:37 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 06:15:37 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_=5BNew_post=5D_If_Trump_is_a_fas?= =?utf-8?q?cist=2C_he_may_be_the_most_backassward_fascist_we=E2=80=99ve_ev?= =?utf-8?q?er_seen?= References: <84568989.8604.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: <1CDA6B71-2F0D-4955-9712-9C92711EE71B@illinois.edu> Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Corey Robin > Date: January 29, 2017 at 12:34:17 AM CST > To: > Subject: [New post] If Trump is a fascist, he may be the most backassward fascist we’ve ever seen > > > New post on Corey Robin > > If Trump is a fascist, he may be the most backassward fascist we’ve ever seen > by Corey Robin > 1. > Rousseau thought that in a real democracy, each person would be so concerned with the fate of the republic that at any sign of a problem, she'd "fly to the assemblies" to make things right. Tonight she flew to the airports. > > 2. > It is absolutely too soon to predict anything at all, but Trump's executive order regarding immigrants and refugees has generated so much protest and pushback that it has already generated cracks in the Republican Party. > > Trump's people are not as all-powerful and invulnerable as they seem. Quite the contrary. Remember: Donald Trump wasn't just rejected by the majority of this country. He was also rejected in the primaries by the majority of his party: 55.1% of the Republican electorate voted against him! > > This is not a steamroller. Reagan faced opposition—most notably, the PATCO strike—and he simply pressed forward to crush it. These people are different. They're not as in control, not as confident in their purpose or their purchase on the nation. The more astute among them know that they don't have the country, they know that their ideas, which used to lend them and their followers and even their detractors so much buoyancy, don't resonate or register the way they once did. > > Again, I'm not making any predictions. One day you're up, the next you're down. Trump could turn this to his favor, declaring a national emergency, sending in troops to keep the airports free and clear. Since the election, the major contingency that has worried me most has been has been international politics: that is a sphere that is always unpredictable, and wars happen. The latest news out of China doesn't make me feel any better. > > But if this is what this executive order has launched—just outside his first week in office—what happens when they start throwing people into the streets to die without health insurance? > > Call me a cockeyed optimist, but I simply refuse to believe we are the country we were as recently as 15 years ago. > > 3. > Had Reagan or Bush issued this executive order—I know, the ideological valence on immigration was different for both them, but hear me out—there would have been tremendous planning in advance, and every airport in the country would have been surrounded by a perimeter of National Guard, local police, even federal troops. There would have been top-to-bottom, Cheney to Rumsfeld, advance men, designing a security fence as secure as that which surrounds the White House. People wouldn't be able to get in without pre-registration and elaborate ID checks and so on. > > Instead, we got not only what we saw outside, in the streets and at the airports, not only what we saw in the courts, but this: > > When President Donald Trump declared at the Pentagon Friday he was enacting strict new measures to prevent domestic terror attacks, there were few within his government who knew exactly what he meant. > > Administration officials weren't immediately sure which countries' citizens would be barred from entering the United States. The Department of Homeland Security was left making a legal analysis on the order after Trump signed it. A Border Patrol agent, confronted with arriving refugees, referred questions only to the President himself, according to court filings. > > ... > > Trump's unilateral moves, which have drawn the ire of human rights groups and prompted protests at US airports, reflect the President's desire to quickly make good on his campaign promises. But they also encapsulate the pitfalls of an administration largely operated by officials with scant federal experience. > > ... > > Asked during a photo opportunity in the Oval Office Saturday afternoon about the rollout, Trump said his government was "totally prepared." > > "It's working out very nicely," Trump told reporters. "You see it at the airports. You see it all over. It's working out very nicely and we're going to have a very, very strict ban, and we're going to have extreme vetting, which we should have had in this country for many years." > > The policy team at the White House developed the executive order on refugees and visas, and largely avoided the traditional interagency process that would have allowed the Justice Department and homeland security agencies to provide operational guidance, according to numerous officials who spoke to CNN on Saturday. > > Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly and Department of Homeland Security leadership saw the final details shortly before the order was finalized, government officials said. > > ... > > Friday night, DHS arrived at the legal interpretation that the executive order restrictions applying to seven countries -- Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Sudan and Yemen -- did not apply to people who with lawful permanent residence, generally referred to as green card holders. > > The White House overruled that guidance overnight, according to officials familiar with the rollout. That order came from the President's inner circle, led by Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon. Their decision held that, on a case by case basis, DHS could allow green card holders to enter the US. > > Now while some will argue that the spectacle and the chaos are all part of the point, I'm not persuaded. Trump wants displays of power; instead, he got a display of powerlessness. > > These guys were completely caught off guard. They didn't know enough to get the cooperation in advance of governors like Cuomo, who's ultimately responsible for the Port Authority along with Christie, and who decided to allow the protestors to keep going through AirTrain to get to JFK. And how could they: even with the White House, they weren't sure what they were doing till they were doing it. > > It's not just that the White House is filled with incompetents; it's not just that they're flying by the seat of their pants. The lack of planning, the agitated implementation, the incompetence (seriously, Reagan and Bush attracted genuine talent, even if it wasn't always on display [see Iraq]): it's all a symptom of a lack of political coherence. > > 4. > What is the first thing fascists or Nazis do when they come into power, the very first thing? They destroy the left. > > Before they go after the Jews, as in Germany, before they go after the liberals and anyone who is not a fascist, before they go after national minorities, they arrest, imprison, torture, and murder the communists, the socialists, and the trade unions. Because they know that in order to pursue their maximal agenda, they need to drain the field of all opposition. > > Trump hasn't done that; in fact, he's done just the opposite. > > Now you could say that the reason Trump hasn't done that is that there is no real left to do it to. Trump thinks he can do what he's doing now because no one will stop him. I actually think there is something to that argument. And one could see how, from the point of view of a conservative or Republican activist, the last 40 years would suggest that you have little to worry about from the left: not from the activist left and certainly not from the Democrats. I think the facts on the ground with regard to the left has begun to change, slowly, but knowledge of the world is path dependent, and changes like this take a long time to register, particularly when you're in an ideological bubble. Look how long it took Democrats and the left to realize that Reagan was for real and here to stay. > > That is why I don't buy the notion that somehow today's events, with all the opposition at the airports and the imposition of a stay, was part of a grand plan. I think they have no idea what they might be facing from the left. And let's be honest: neither do we. > > Whatever the case may be, the point is this: If Trump is a fascist—I'm dubious, as many of you know—he may be the most backasswards fascist we've ever seen. Having seized control of the state, he doesn't destroy his opposition in order to pursue his maximal agenda. Instead, he creates an opposition—what may be shaping up as the largest mass movement this country has seen in 50 years—by pursuing his maximal agenda first. > > 5. > Tonight feels like our color revolution. Not one color. Every color. > > Corey Robin | January 29, 2017 at 1:33 am | Tags: airport, fascism, Rousseau, Trump | Categories: Political Theory, The Left, The State | URL: http://wp.me/p5IQfX-2eM > Comment See all comments > Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from Corey Robin. > Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. > > Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: > http://coreyrobin.com/2017/01/29/if-trump-is-a-fascist-he-may-be-the-most-backassward-fascist-weve-ever-seen/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jan 29 12:53:42 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 12:53:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Trumpster Message-ID: Obama was the Black Velvet Glove Covering the White Racist Judeo-Christian Iron Fist Of US Imperialism and Capitalism around the World Trump is just the Iron Fist Ditto for Bushie Jr. Ditto for Mitt Ditto for Illinois Nazis Law School Fab. Ed Norton Professor of Law Carl Schmitt College of Law: "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!" Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 3:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: RE: NYT: Leaked Trump Order for Torture and CIA Black Sites Illinois Nazis Law Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her CIA/Mossad Consort Michael Moore have always been at the level of Trump-down in the gutter! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:58 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: NYT: Leaked Trump Order for Torture and CIA Black Sites God Damn Fired and Disgraced and Sanctioned Illinois Nazis Law Dean Hurricane Heidi Hurd and her Consort Michael Moore stinking up this entire Good Community with their advocacy of Torture on behalf of the CIA and Mossad since their arrival here! fab LeVine: In my own research on war crimes committed by US forces in Iraq. I counted at least two-dozen classes of offenses systematically committed by the Occupation administration and US or US-allied military forces in the invasion and subsequent period of CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) rule. This includes violations of articles and 17, 18, 33, and 147 of the Geneva Convention covering the killing, hostage-taking and torturing of civilians Boyle: As I just argued at Fort Stewart Georgia in the court martial proceedings for Sgt. Camilo Mejia for desertion, the accountability here goes directly up the chain of command under the terms of the US Army Field Manual 27-10. Specifically, paragraph 501 makes clear that commanders who have ordered or knew or should have known about war crimes and failed to stop it are themselves guilty of war crimes. If you look then at the public record, it is clear that Gens. Sanchez and Miller ordered war crimes and both should be relieved of command immediately: abuse of prisoners in violation of the Geneva Conventions. As for General Abizaid, the overall commander of US forces in Southwest Asia, he admitted in his Senate hearings that he should have known about the war crimes at Abu Ghraib, so basically he's already incriminated himself under the rules of the US Army Field Manual 27-10 In addition, above Abizaid you have Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Again my reading of the public record including the Taguba and Red Cross reports is that they either knew or should have known about all these war crimes. Indeed, if you read the ICRC report, - and as I testified under oath and under cross-examination (and was not contradicted) at the Mejia court-martial proceedings, - the widespread and systematic nature of these abuses rise to the level of crimes against humanity, going all the way up through the chain of command. Culpability also extends to Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence General William G. Boykin and Defense Undersecretary Stephen Cambone, who reports directly to Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. And through this line it appears to me that Rumsfeld is culpable, because he was at Abu Ghraib last fall. Indeed, Sy Hersch's New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib claims with good substantiation that he was totally aware and even signed off on the use of techniques which are clearly torture. Rumsfeld was given a tour by Brig. General Janet Karpinski, who was supposed to be in charge of the prison-although she said nothing when she was prohibited from accessing certain areas of it-and so she's also accountable. It's important to understand that the Geneva Conventions, the Hague Regulations of 1907, the U.S. Army Field Manual, all mandate that a criminal investigation be opened. And how President Bush, as Commander in Chief would be accountable under Field Manual 27-10 precisely because he is Commander in Chief of the US armed forces under the US Constitution. We know the White House knows this because if you read White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales's memo, he specifically tries to exempt the US from the Geneva Conventions for Guantanamo and Afghanistan. You can see that Gonzalez was afraid of Bush and others being held directly accountable. Moreover, because Powell dissented, we know there was a debate about this, so Bush had to have been aware of the implications of what was being done, which is also backed up by the memos from Ashcroft. These memos have been unearthed by Newsweek. So ultimately what we have here are people at the highest levels of the chain of command guilty of ordering or not preventing torture, which is both an international crime against the Geneva Conventions and the Torture Convention and a domestic crime as well. What we have then is a conspiracy among the aforementioned individuals to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. Let me add one more thing that's very important to remember: The principles set forth in 27-10 of personal criminal accountability for war crimes goes back to the Nuremburg Charter, Judgments and Principles derived from the post-World War II trials of Nazi war criminals. Similar principles of criminal accountability were applied by the United States to the Japanese Imperial War criminals. LeVine: In fact, President Bush has compared the war on terror to the war against the Nazis. Boyle: Then we have even more reason to bring this to people's attention: The Nuremburg Principles were in fact originally the idea of the US Government which then orchestrated the prosecutions in Nuremburg. People need to understand the pedigree and heritage here. These are very grave offenses which the US government a generation ago prosecuted and executed Nazis for committing. And Japanese war criminals too. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 29 13:14:19 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 13:14:19 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Press on immigration in the following days In-Reply-To: <588d636e.8bdd0d0a.4fb8c.5abf@mx.google.com> References: <588d636e.8bdd0d0a.4fb8c.5abf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I just saw this posting on the AWARE (anti-war anti-racism effort of Champaign Urbana) from yesterday. Mohammad Al-Heeti 10 hrs · Champaign There will protest tomorrow at Willard Airport in Savoy at 2pm. Please join us to join nationwide movement to support the immigrant. Please share this. On Jan 28, 2017, at 19:37, Carolyn Vance > wrote: Ricardo, I was thinking that perhaps IF could work on putting together a Guest Commentary for The New-Gazette using some of this information. It would be a great way to educate the public. You could submit a guest commentary to jdey at news-gazette.com, I think, if you're interested. Today's N-G had a shorter version of this article http://myhughesnet.hughesnet.com/news/read/category/News/article/the_associated_press-usmexico_trade_war_could_hit_mexico_economy_spur_m-ap which I thought did a good job of describing the economic consequences of following some Trump's stated new policies toward Mexico. I hope people read it and absorb it. Carolyn At 03:42 PM 1/25/2017, you wrote: Greetings everyone: In the following days, today included, reporters will be asking about the significance of today's executive orders. They will ask what this means to local families and what the IF thinks and is doing about it. Please volunteer to be one of those speakers? Contact me for help and coaching. We continue to organize and highlight the contributions of immigrants in our immigrant friendly communities; the training this Saturday at 9 AM is a series meant to educate people for action. Email gavegaz@gmail.com to sign up to Immigraion 201. Some points to think about (It's all from me, not vetted by the IF and I am not a lawyer but I am from the border regions plus the national groups take a while to give us their assessment so I stand to be corrected) , please add to the list as you find them. I will hold and distribute in aggregate form for a daily digest; that is, the flow could be overwhelming so use the FB page or ask for your comment to go directly to the list. So no censoring, just trying to keep the flow reasonable. The statement is here; BORDER SECURITY AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IMPROVEMENTS there is no recent surge, BTW From his Section 2 on policy. The new president has signed what he had heralded before and there is no known terrorism threat on the Southern border:  a. . The border something is already there, increasing it requires money, he's already postponing the "how" for paying the billions. Unlikely that anyone but the taxpayer will pay for it. All experts agree that the environmental effects are massive, that private property is invaded and that more fencing equals more deaths and more costs but that given the factors on immigrants, they will continue emigrate. 4d. He asks for a study to be completed in 6 months--no funds; I suspect that they will end up adopting the previous ones with the same conclusions. That is, more fence is ineffective except to force people to stay and bring their families. Section 9 is a scare tactic since there is no way the other branches will produce a 5 year retrospective study in the next 90 days. Section 12 tells us that even on federal lands, there is much to figure out how to access and who can do that. b. Already implemented since people are screened through fingerprints; c. Expediting considerations is actually a good thing but it costs money; present considerations for asylum can be as long as 6 years so the cost of new judges will have to be born by the taxpayer; will due process be skipped? He assigns the budget of the attorney general in 5c but they are already underesourced so new costs for the taxpayer. d. Already people rejected are scheduled for deportation as transportation space allows. People are deported everyday and yes, they already stay in jail when they are determined to have broken a criminal law. If the Attorney General had actually been assigned special moneys in Section 13, perhaps the priority enforcement might become true but it can probably go no faster than the present. Real people are being held in jail locally when a criminal charge is pending. e. Might be a reference to existing cooperation programs that already exist; because of the state and local rights, participation is legally voluntary. Section 10 acknowledges that so it's his way of backtracking. 287g is active in less jurisdictions including Maricopa County where Sheriff Joe once worked; 2. The Increase of the number of agents is, unfortunately, on pace for the last 3 presidents. The overwhelming increase of costs means other projects don't get funded. Relatives tell me that a real cost is about 100k a piece. More agents equals more cost but not necessarily less flow. As long as there is poverty, violence, and US policies that limit jobs in other places, families will do what they can to do better. This includes immigration. Section 6 and 7 The catch and release program is not new. Already people that have come once before are arrested and held. The number of jail beds being paid for by taxpayers will increase. Refugee and asylum seekers on 5b will continue to be processed until the laws change. Section 5 thus means that if and when contracts and new facilities are built, there will be more taxpayer money involved. To what end but to slow down a natural cycle of migration? Section 10 now threatens to remove removable aliens which is not a change. Sections 14-17 are pro-forma statements that there will be reporting going on, as there is presently and because of the hurried nature and difficulty of updating reports, it just means that any one report be less reliable. Expect little change if no new appropriations are made except that more departments might be sued for misinterpretation, over reach or plain mistakes by the zealous; the bureaucracy will move things at their pace. DACAs are OK for now; the DREAM ACT should be reintroduced. .-.-.-.-.-.--.-.--.-.--...-.-.-.-.-.-.-.- Ricardo Diaz  xpenn.diaz at gmail.com cell # 217 979-0255 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CU Immigration Forum" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cu-immigration-forum+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cu-immigration-forum at googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/cu-immigration-forum. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "CU Immigration Forum" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cu-immigration-forum+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to cu-immigration-forum at googlegroups.com. 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(Photo: DVB) * By REUTERS * 29 January 2017 * Print * * * * * * A legal adviser for Burma’s ruling National League for Democracy was shot dead outside the country’s busiest airport on Sunday after returning from a government-led trip to Indonesia. An unidentified lone gunman killed the veteran lawyer, Ko Ni, and injured two others in front of the main terminal of Rangoon International Airport at 5 p.m., according to San Naing, Ko Ni’s assistant. “They shot my boss. He is dead. I am beside his body and there’s blood on the floor,” San Naing told Reuters by phone. Images posted on social media appeared to show a pool of blood around the slain lawyer’s head. Police have detained a suspect, but the motive was unknown so far. Ko Ni was a prominent member of Burma’s Muslim minority. The shooting comes amid heightened communal tensions in Buddhist-majority Burma, where leader Aung San Suu Kyi is under pressure over a security operation in an area of the country’s northwest that is populated mostly by Muslims. A police official in the capital, Naypyidaw, told Reuters a Burmese citizen from the central city of Mandalay had been arrested. Related Stories * [Speaking at USDP headquarters on 26 January 2017, former Burmese President Thein Sein urges the party to unite in efforts to win April's by-elections (PHOTO: DVB)] Thein Sein spurs USDP ahead of by-elections * Sobering verdict on UN rights envoy’s second visit under NLD govt * Tennasserim villagers stand against foreign palm oil project The official, who declined to be named as he was not authorised to speak to media, did not provide additional details about the suspect. Ko Ni, an expert in constitutional law who advises the party led by the Nobel laureate Suu Kyi, had joined a delegation to Indonesia led by Information Minister Pe Myint, the assistant said. The delegation to Muslim-majority Indonesia — billed as an opportunity to share experiences of national reconciliation — included several BurmeseMuslim leaders, some belonging to the mostly stateless Rohingya minority. Tags: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 29 14:24:43 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:24:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Rally at Airport today in support of immigrants. Message-ID: Airport in Savoy [https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/c0.0.498.262/p280x280/16298405_10211709913328812_6559056221906475388_n.jpg?oh=1a18213fd0a47110cdffa7812f2b63c6&oe=59467E5C] JAN29 Interested Rally to support immigrants Sun 2 PM CST · Champaign 419 people interested · 138 people going -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 29 14:38:35 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:38:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Workers Struggles: Asia, Australia and the Pacific Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Workers Struggles: Asia, Australia and the Pacific 28 January 2017 Asia Burma: Nickel mine workers protest Close to 1,500 workers from the Chinese-managed Tagaung Taung Nickel Factory in Burma’s Sagaing Region stopped work on January 19 to protest over working conditions. Their action followed a protest in December over the same issues. Workers complained about the loss of job opportunities and alleged discrepancies between how the foreign and local workers are treated. The factory employs around 1,600 Myanmar workers and about 400 Chinese migrant workers. The protesting workers demanded the same benefits, such as the healthcare and social security plans, allegedly offered to their Chinese colleagues. The Tagaung Taung factory began mining in 2009 after the government and China Nonferrous Metal Mining Co (CNMC) signed a product-sharing contract. Panda garment factory workers resume protest Over 600 striking workers from the Panda Textile Factory in Mandalay, central Burma, resumed demonstrating outside the factory on Sunday. They have been on strike since June to demand payments they claim they are entitled to under their current employment contracts. Mediation talks with workers’ representatives, factory management and the regional government two weeks ago failed at the last minute. While most of the workers’ demands were agreed to, the company refused to reappoint four employees who had been fired for protesting. Workers alleged that the Union of Myanmar Federation of Chambers of Commerce and Industry and a labour rights judge had previously instructed the company to reappoint the sacked workers. The protests resumed at the factory gate after the company announced additions to its employment handbook. Workers said a clause had been added to the handbook stating that the company would not employ dismissed workers. Taiwan hospital workers protest A group of union members demonstrated outside the Veterans Affairs Council in Taipei on January 20 to demand that more than 300 internal delivery workers at the Taichung Veterans General Hospital be hired directly by the hospital and their seniority restored. One member of the Taiwan Dispatch Worker Industrial Union said the change to a new contractor last month resulted in workers’ seniority being wiped out, denying them any right to annual leave. The union estimated that workers had been denied annual leave worth at least $US47,569. Cambodian garment workers demonstrate Around 80 garment workers protested outside the Kandal Provincial Court on Wednesday demanding it release money deposited at the court by their employer, GHI garment, to clear outstanding back wages. Over 190 workers were terminated in August without compensation and had not been paid since June. The Kandal court froze GHI’s assets in August, saying it would be lifted if the firm deposited $160,000 with the court so it could be paid to the workers. The company has paid the deposit but the court has not released the money. Protesting Sri Lankan power workers arrested Colombo police arrested 37 protesting contract workers from the Ceylon Electricity Board (CEB) on Tuesday night claiming they had violated a court order banning demonstrations outside the building. The workers were released on Wednesday, after paying 100,000 rupees ($US665) bail each. Nearly 200 workers began hunger strike protests January 1 to demand reinstatement. Employed as meter readers, they were terminated when they demanded permanent jobs after 180 days’ service. The CEB claimed that they had not completed the required 180-days’ service and were not eligible to be made permanent. Sri Lankan contract telecom workers’ strike in fifth week Around 2,100 outsourced workers from Sri Lanka Telecom (SLT) have been on strike since December 26 to demand permanent jobs. The workers are employed by Human Capital Solutions and have been on contract for over seven years. On Tuesday, they marched to the prime minister’s official residence in Colombo and presented a memo demanding integration as permanent SLT employees. The workers ended a protest last May after the government falsely promised to make them permanent. The workers are paid much less than permanent employees and are not provided with adequate facilities or safety equipment. Pakistan: Karachi water and sewerage workers demand job permanency Hundreds of casual workers from the Karachi Water and Sewerage Board demonstrated for job permanency in Karachi on January 19. The board employs over 570 workers on an ad hoc basis. The increasing use of non-regular contract employees is being been used to cut government spending. There are currently 585 workers waiting for job appointments based on “deceased quota” rules. These are employment positions offered to family members of deceased workers. Bangladeshi freight workers end strike A strike by freight transport owners and workers from 21 districts of Khulna and Barisal division and greater Faridpur ended on Tuesday, 24 hours after it began. It followed a meeting between the home minister and union leaders. The Freight Transport Owners-Workers Union Council members stopped work with 12 demands and to protest alleged extortion, harassment and violence suffered by transport workers. The strikers want bans lifted on transporting side angles, bumpers and hooks on trucks and covered vans. They also want reductions in bridge toll rates, removal of unnecessary speed breakers, cuts in fuel oil prices, the issuing of driving licences by training programs and an end to the violence against drivers at India’s Petrapole land port. A union spokesman claimed the government have given an assurance that their grievances would be considered and had also ordered the Bangladesh Road Transport Authority to check the roadworthiness of trucks and covered vans, and would issue driving licences as soon as possible. India: Rural health workers in Karnataka protest Hundreds of Anganwadi (rural health) workers and assistants demonstrated outside a local MP’s office in Dharwad on January 20 over various long outstanding demands. Protesters alleged that they have been deprived of a provident fund, ESI (employee state insurance) and a pension for 40 years. The Anganwadi workers held state-wide protests in September last year over the same issues. An Anganwadi Workers and Assistants Association representative said the workers also want their monthly salaries increased to 18,000 rupees ($US264), a 3,000-rupee pension for retired workers and assistants, and those workers without a pension scheme to be paid between 200,000 and 300,000 rupees for a retirement fund. Protesters have threatened to hold a permanent demonstration outside parliament if the government continues to ignore their demands. Hospital contract workers in Chandigarh strike Over 300 contract workers at the Civil Hospital in Panchkula, Chandigarh walked off the job on January 16 and picketed the hospital’s main gate to demand payment of wages in arrears and a provident fund. The protesters included sweepers, lift operators and computer operators. The workers also want reinstatement of employees previously fired by the contractor. In a memo submitted to the district commissioner on January 20 workers called on the hospital to end the contract of M/s Sunrise Facilitators Private Limited and a new contractor hired. Government hospital nurses in Chandigarh walk out Government Medical College and Hospital (GMCH) nurses in Chandigarh walked out for 48 hours on Monday over long pending demands. The Nurses’ Welfare Association members said their demands had not been resolved despite numerous appeals to management. Representatives from the teaching faculty also joined the protest. Protesters want promotions, restoration of gazetted holidays and national holidays that were stopped following shortages of nursing staff in 2014. Other demands included the filling of vacant staff nurse positions, Type 4 houses for nursing personnel in the GMCH house pool, implementation of central pay scale and access to the hospital canteen and parking facilities. Protesters have threatened indefinite strike action on February 1 if the administration does not fulfil their demands. Andhra Pradesh government workers demonstrate Women workers from various government schemes, including the midday-meal, Accredited Social Health Activist (ASHA) and Anganwadi programmes, marched through Srikakulam on January 20 to demand minimum wages and other benefits. Over 5,000 workers participated in the rally calling for improved working conditions and a minimum 18,000-rupee monthly wage. Jammu and Kashmir government irrigation labourers protest Casual labourers from the Irrigation & Flood Control Department demonstrated outside on Canal Road, Jammu on January 21 to demand several months of unpaid wages. The protest was organised by the J&K National Trade Union Front. It is commonplace for the government to delay payment of wages to casual and daily wage workers. Daily wage workers from the J&K Public Health Engineering (PHE) water utility section struck for over 27 weeks last year over unpaid wages and calling for permanent jobs. Contract and daily wage employees from the Power Development Department (PDD) also struck for a month in December over the same issues. Assam tea garden workers protest Tea garden workers demonstrated across Assam on January 19 to oppose the Indian government’s abolition of cash wage payments and the removal of subsidised rations. Under the Plantation Labour Act, 1951, the wages of plantation workers included cash, as well as rations, healthcare and education services (in kind). The workers, who are organised by the Assam Chah Mazdoor Sangha (ACMS), demanded the government immediately return to the old payment system. The daily wage of a plantation worker in Assam is 137 rupees ($2). He or she is also entitled to 35 kilograms of rice and wheat every month at subsidised 54 paise per kg. Assam has some 850 tea estates with the number of workers—permanent and casual—estimated at around 900,000. Together with their family members, some 2.5 million people are the beneficiaries of the subsidised rations. Bengaluru private taxi drivers strike against increased commission Private cab drivers in Bengaluru, Karnataka employed by Ola and Uber companies stopped work for the day on Monday to oppose increased commission charges. The commission paid to the online taxi operators has increased from 10 percent to 30 percent in the last two months. The drivers claimed that they would have to make 18 trips per day to cover the increases. Uber and Ola are multinational aggregator companies who exploit the drivers through a contract system. The drivers are liable for any costs incurred in their work, the company claiming the workers are “self-employed.” Australia and the Pacific New South Wales engineering workers protest Employees of Coffs Harbour engineering company, WE Smith, demonstrated outside a local MP’s office on Thursday in protest against the sudden closure of the plant. When workers came to the plant on Wednesday the gates were locked and no explanation given as to why. About 100 employees have been on leave since Christmas, amid ongoing financial hardship that has seen the company cut hours and told workers to look for alternative employment. According to the Australian Manufacturing Workers Union, WE Smith workers were owed wages and seven months of superannuation payments. WE Smith, which makes equipment for oil, gas, petrochemical and mining industries in Australia and overseas, has been operating on the NSW mid-north coast for more than 80 years. A sign at the plant’s locked gate said the company had moved to an address in Coffs Harbour’s central business district. There is no factory at this location. New Zealand: Retail car parts workers walk out Some 20 employees of car parts supplier Brake and Transmission (BNT) walked off the job in Auckland on Thursday after the company postponed pay negotiations. Workers initiated bargaining five months ago. The company has offered only meetings during that time but made no pay rises offer. BNT workers struck in December over the issue. FIRST union members at BNT are only paid the minimum wage. They want a pay rise that reflects New Zealand’s rapidly rising housing and accommodation costs. A union spokesman claimed it had been years since workers have had a pay rise. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are all levels of involvement for People's Agenda supporter to get involved at, this event is especially for those who indicated they have the time and desire to engage in organizing and planning. We'll be building focus/work teams and setting tasks for the next month. LEVEL UP! This is a meeting for people who are prepared to make a weekly commitment to spending time on infrastructure building, outreach, coordination, etc. Sunday, January 29th 3:30-5:30pm IMC, 202 S Broadway, Urbana Facebook Event -=-=- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 29 16:21:32 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:21:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Rally at Airport today in support of immigrants. To be noted!!! References: Message-ID: IMPORTANT NOTICE: Remember that federal agents can and are often present at US airports. There is an inherent risk that you could be detained. Be mindful of this if you are NOT a US citizen. Airport in Savoy [https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/c0.0.498.262/p280x280/16298405_10211709913328812_6559056221906475388_n.jpg?oh=1a18213fd0a47110cdffa7812f2b63c6&oe=59467E5C] JAN29 Interested Rally to support immigrants Sun 2 PM CST · Champaign 419 people interested · 138 people going _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 16:23:38 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Galbriel Kolko on the American working class References: <229972998.3746928.1485707018960.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <229972998.3746928.1485707018960@mail.yahoo.com> From Main Currents in Modern American History, "The American Working Class: Immigrant Foundations" (1976) For those who managed, for reasons of either sentiment or class, to stay within the complicated stratified entities called ethnic neighborhoods--which after the 1950s became the symbolic cultural and shopping centers of second and third generations, now barely literate in their parents' tongues, living in aseptic communities within driving distances of West and North Ends everywhere--the Wasps' urban renewal bulldozers began delivering the final coup de grace to the vestiges of an internecine working-class structure which tragically had never developed a culture and politics appropriate to its own objective situation. That ethnic willingness to transcend the suspicion of nationality toward nationality, save perhaps when it came to their common fear and hatred of blacks, at no time emerged during the 20th century to help lay the basis of genuine unity from which class consciousness could overcome racial and ethnic identifications. Ethnic workers saw their grievances in an ethnic focus, which was essential to the very existence of political machines. Yet most ethnics were in reality primarily individuals and families, too preoccupied confronting their anxieties, conflicts of values, nostalgia, and private tears to politically or intellectually transcend the compulsive prejudices of their own nationality or religion. Such marginal socialist ethnic groups as arose, above all among Jews, German, or Finns, were scarcely efforts to escape their particularist culture but rather transitional assertion of values temporarily useful in the diaspora and thereafter to become almost exclusively social and ethnic in function. It was not, surely, a creed they transmitted to their children. Hence the temporary working class became the permanent working class with its own historically unique style and goals, lumpen people in a lumpen society, with that instability and frequently successful absurdity and triumph of demagoguery that often sways all American people. It is in this context that the trade-union movement and the political expressions of the American masses evolved in the 20th century, compounding the nation's problems while so far depriving it of the promise of real solutions. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 16:38:28 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] The 50% References: <287476092.3809747.1485707908640.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <287476092.3809747.1485707908640@mail.yahoo.com> I summarized the findings of the recent Piketty/Saez/Zucman data at Counterpunch. This will also be published at some point in the News-Gazette. http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/20/why-trump-won-the-50-percenters-have-spoken/ The basic charts from their findings are here: http://equitablegrowth.org/research-analysis/economic-growth-in-the-united-states-a-tale-of-two-countries/ The paper is here: http://gabriel-zucman.eu/files/PSZ2016.pdf You can go down to pages 42-43 for the basic tables on what has happened to the bottom 50% over the past 35 years, compared to the decades following WW11. It's worth noting, beyond this income data, that the wealth data goes as follows: bottom 90% has 20% of wealth, top 10% has 80%, top 1% has 40%, top. .1% has 20%, top .01% has 10%. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 16:45:13 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 16:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Nancy Fraser on Progressive Neoliberalism References: <57641060.3793641.1485708313565.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57641060.3793641.1485708313565@mail.yahoo.com> "Nevertheless, Trump’s victory is not solely a revolt against global finance. What his voters rejected was not neoliberalism tout court, but progressive neoliberalism. This may sound to some like an oxymoron, but it is a real, if perverse, political alignment that holds the key to understanding the U.S. election results and perhaps some developments elsewhere too. In its U.S. form, progressive neoliberalism is an alliance of mainstream currents of new social movements (feminism, anti-racism, multiculturalism, and LGBTQ rights), on the one side, and high-end “symbolic” and service-based business sectors (Wall Street, Silicon Valley, and Hollywood), on the other. In this alliance, progressive forces are effectively joined with the forces of cognitive capitalism, especially financialization. However unwittingly, the former lend their charisma to the latter. Ideals like diversity and empowerment, which could in principle serve different ends, now gloss policies that have devastated manufacturing and what were once middle-class lives." The End of Progressive Neoliberalism | Dissent Magazine | | | | | | | | | | | The End of Progressive Neoliberalism | Dissent Magazine In a moment of political upheaval, it is up to the left to reject the false choices on offer and seize upon wide... | | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 29 17:11:32 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 17:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Current issue of Public i References: <850067782.3828254.1485709892659.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <850067782.3828254.1485709892659@mail.yahoo.com> http://publici.ucimc.org/ Unfortunately, with the exception of the opening of Belden Fields article, the current issue fails to address the neoliberal origins of Trump's victory. In fact, the word neoliberalism is absent from the entire issue. The interesting and informative article by Janice Jayes about militarism fails to mention the neoconservative foreign policy that Trump, in his erratic and personal way, has rejected, to the consternation of Thomas Friedman and Charles Krauthammer alike. The opening article by Brett Kaplan unfortunately quotes Van Jones about the "whitelash" of Trump voters. That seems to me a mischaracterization (and gratuitous denigration) of economically struggling voters who could not find a reason to vote for the neoliberal warmongering feminist that was put forward by the Democratic Party after their apparatchiks dispensed with Bernie Sanders. I wonder if Van Jones would appreciate the term "blacklash" to describe protestors in Ferguson in 2014. The article by Michael Rothberg about anti-semitism does not resonate with me in the least. Notwithstanding Bannon and the alt-right, anti-semitism has nothing to do with any of this in any meaningful sense. The fancy quotations about anti-semitism in relation to European fascism are interesting, but have nothing whatsoever to do with Trump's appeal to the beleaguered working class of this country, or a coherent response. It may be comforting to some that anti-semitism is now seen as being back on the political far right where it rightfully belongs, but that is hardly relevant to the issues at hand. (BTW, I do not agree either with the emphasis on anti-semitism that is currently being promoted by Jewish Voice for Peace). The specter of no-longer-relevant anti-semitism was historically used against the black power movement, and of course against the pro-Palestine movement. There is no reason to revive this canard in the current context, even against Trump and his Jewish settler-loving son-in-law. A lot of organizing good can come out of the current situation; but not without a more coherent analysis of the material origins of this context. I agree with what Carl Estabrook said on our most recent edition of News from Neptune: we need to get over Donald Trump; we need to get over the Democratic Party; I would add that we need to get over progressivism, i.e. neoliberal progressivism, as it is currently being articulated, as critqued by Nancy Fraser. Of course I appreciate the concerns of those who now feel threatened and intimidated. But I would also hope that the next issue of the Public i will begin to get down to business, so to speak. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jan 29 18:24:26 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 12:24:26 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Current issue of Public i In-Reply-To: <850067782.3828254.1485709892659@mail.yahoo.com> References: <850067782.3828254.1485709892659.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <850067782.3828254.1485709892659@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0480F47C-20A7-47D3-AA1B-FC258A90B9A8@illinois.edu> I was quoting Caitlin Johnstone’s excellent article from 27 Jan., "Corporate Media Is Planning Nonstop Trump Alarmism…” >. —CGE > On Jan 29, 2017, at 11:11 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > http://publici.ucimc.org/ > > Unfortunately, with the exception of the opening of Belden Fields article, the current issue fails to address the neoliberal origins of Trump's victory. In fact, the word neoliberalism is absent from the entire issue. > > The interesting and informative article by Janice Jayes about militarism fails to mention the neoconservative foreign policy that Trump, in his erratic and personal way, has rejected, to the consternation of Thomas Friedman and Charles Krauthammer alike. > > The opening article by Brett Kaplan unfortunately quotes Van Jones about the "whitelash" of Trump voters. That seems to me a mischaracterization (and gratuitous denigration) of economically struggling voters who could not find a reason to vote for the neoliberal warmongering feminist that was put forward by the Democratic Party after their apparatchiks dispensed with Bernie Sanders. I wonder if Van Jones would appreciate the term "blacklash" to describe protestors in Ferguson in 2014. > > The article by Michael Rothberg about anti-semitism does not resonate with me in the least. Notwithstanding Bannon and the alt-right, anti-semitism has nothing to do with any of this in any meaningful sense. The fancy quotations about anti-semitism in relation to European fascism are interesting, but have nothing whatsoever to do with Trump's appeal to the beleaguered working class of this country, or a coherent response. It may be comforting to some that anti-semitism is now seen as being back on the political far right where it rightfully belongs, but that is hardly relevant to the issues at hand. (BTW, I do not agree either with the emphasis on anti-semitism that is currently being promoted by Jewish Voice for Peace). > > The specter of no-longer-relevant anti-semitism was historically used against the black power movement, and of course against the pro-Palestine movement. There is no reason to revive this canard in the current context, even against Trump and his Jewish settler-loving son-in-law. > > A lot of organizing good can come out of the current situation; but not without a more coherent analysis of the material origins of this context. I agree with what Carl Estabrook said on our most recent edition of News from Neptune: we need to get over Donald Trump; we need to get over the Democratic Party; I would add that we need to get over progressivism, i.e. neoliberal progressivism, as it is currently being articulated, as critqued by Nancy Fraser. > > Of course I appreciate the concerns of those who now feel threatened and intimidated. But I would also hope that the next issue of the Public i will begin to get down to business, so to speak. > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jan 29 18:28:56 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 18:28:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Excellent VDO from 2003 "Orwell Rolls In His Grave" Message-ID: Orwell Rolls In His Grave - The One Thing The Media Doesn't Like To Talk About Get the original DVD of this ground-breaking documentary here - http://www.orwellrollsinhis… YOUTUBE.COM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Mon Jan 30 02:30:24 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 02:30:24 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Palingenetic ultranationalism (Making America Great Again) References: <3131CAB6-D4F4-40B0-B3A3-9BB0B92170E7@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <76AC060D-E9E6-40EC-AB50-D4FF38055CB6@illinois.edu> A new birth of prosperity for the working class? From: "Szoke, Ron" > Subject: Palingenetic ultranationalism (Making America Great Again) Date: January 29, 2017 at 8:24:59 PM CST To: "Szoke, Ron" > Wikipedia article about Palingenetic ultranationalism URL: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Palingenetic+ultranationalism -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jan 30 04:23:56 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 22:23:56 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Palingenetic ultranationalism (Making America Great Again) In-Reply-To: <76AC060D-E9E6-40EC-AB50-D4FF38055CB6@illinois.edu> References: <3131CAB6-D4F4-40B0-B3A3-9BB0B92170E7@illinois.edu> <76AC060D-E9E6-40EC-AB50-D4FF38055CB6@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Is Sarah Palin the genesis of this? > On Jan 29, 2017, at 8:30 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > A new birth of prosperity for the working class? > >> From: "Szoke, Ron" > >> Subject: Palingenetic ultranationalism (Making America Great Again) >> Date: January 29, 2017 at 8:24:59 PM CST >> To: "Szoke, Ron" > >> >> Wikipedia article about Palingenetic ultranationalism >> >> URL: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Palingenetic+ultranationalism > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 30 16:17:07 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:17:07 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: "Obama and the Merchants of Death" References: <001a1140f7a006469b054752095b@google.com> Message-ID: Hear the amounts of weapons the US sells to other nations, dating back to the Nixon Administration. Its continuity and progress under each administration is very telling. [http://s.ytimg.com/yt/img/email/digest/email_header.png] [https://yt3.ggpht.com/-3KYOSVk4cgo/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/ZaoH0On_BxQ/s50-c-k-no-mo-rj-c0xffffff/photo.jpg] Karen Aram has shared a video with you on YouTube Truth [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/cWv9RRe23DA/mqdefault.jpg] Obama and the Merchants of Death by Boiling Frogs Post On this edition of The Geopolitical Report, we look at Barack Obama’s legacy as a record breaking arms dealer. Obama has enabled Saudi Arabia to wage an illegal war in Yemen and has gifted the merchants of death with billions of dollars in new contracts with Taiwan and Vietnam. We also cover the Nye Commission and its investigation into the munitions industry after the First World War. Finally, we look at how the new Trump administration has promised to radically expand the US military and make the merchants of death billions more in profit from war and death. Show Notes ... Help center • Report spam ©2017 YouTube, LLC 901 Cherry Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jan 30 19:39:54 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:39:54 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Videos for AWARE ON THE AIR Message-ID: <6176D2C8-7402-4AD6-B9AE-0B211FC44877@illinois.edu> AWARE ON THE AIR, the local tv program presented on Urbana Public TV (Tuesdays at 10pm) and on YouTube, by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, is looking for relevant videos to include in the program. Last week’s program featured interviews with Russia experts Stephen Cohen and Mark Ames. Please let us know of videos that you think viewers of AOTA would find interesting - and/or join us for the panel discussion on the program. We record at the UPTV studios (Urbana City Council chambers) at noon on Tuesdays. —CGE From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jan 30 19:47:41 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:47:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Videos for AWARE ON THE AIR In-Reply-To: <6176D2C8-7402-4AD6-B9AE-0B211FC44877@illinois.edu> References: <6176D2C8-7402-4AD6-B9AE-0B211FC44877@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I saw a really good one this morning will let you know as soon. as I get back to my computer. Sent on my Virgin Mobile Phone. ------ Original message------ From: Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss Date: Mon, Jan 30, 2017 1:40 PM To: Peace-discuss List; Cc: peace; Subject:[Peace-discuss] Videos for AWARE ON THE AIR AWARE ON THE AIR, the local tv program presented on Urbana Public TV (Tuesdays at 10pm) and on YouTube, by members and friends of the Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana, is looking for relevant videos to include in the program. Last week’s program featured interviews with Russia experts Stephen Cohen and Mark Ames. Please let us know of videos that you think viewers of AOTA would find interesting - and/or join us for the panel discussion on the program. We record at the UPTV studios (Urbana City Council chambers) at noon on Tuesdays. —CGE _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 30 23:41:22 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 23:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Liberalism as Class Warfare References: <1345266893.196877.1485819682575.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1345266893.196877.1485819682575@mail.yahoo.com> Rob Urie: What anti-establishment voters, and those who consciously withheld their votes, got right in the recent election is that the illusion of choice provided by the major Parties is anti-politics. Liberals, as guardians of the status quo, are class warriors on the side of economic mal-distribution and the immiseration of the laboring classes and poor for the benefit of the rich. The ease with which the misdirection of ‘deplorables’ was sold illustrates the conundrum confronting any actual Left political movement. 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Estabrook) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:09:17 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Immigration Ban Is Unlikely to Reduce Terrorist Threat, Experts Say In-Reply-To: <673797484.419868.1485841635794@mail.yahoo.com> References: <673797484.419868.1485841635794.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <673797484.419868.1485841635794@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6BC1291C-9B8F-4D1D-B5D8-5D1F3440268C@illinois.edu> This strikes me as neocon nattering from the NYT. But Caitlin Johnstone points out why that may be OK: >. —CGE > On Jan 30, 2017, at 11:47 PM, Dianna Visek via Peace wrote: > > This is a very interesting, factual article about what anti-terrorism experts think about Trump's ban: > > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/politics/a-sweeping-order-unlikely-to-reduce-terrorist-threat.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region%C2%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&utm_source=Chicago%20Sun-Times&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1686701_MorningEdition013017&ID=1686701_MorningEdition013017&dm_i=2JCP,105GT,6JQ0L2,2WS4A,1&_r=0 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 06:09:17 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:09:17 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Immigration Ban Is Unlikely to Reduce Terrorist Threat, Experts Say In-Reply-To: <673797484.419868.1485841635794@mail.yahoo.com> References: <673797484.419868.1485841635794.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <673797484.419868.1485841635794@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6BC1291C-9B8F-4D1D-B5D8-5D1F3440268C@illinois.edu> This strikes me as neocon nattering from the NYT. But Caitlin Johnstone points out why that may be OK: >. —CGE > On Jan 30, 2017, at 11:47 PM, Dianna Visek via Peace wrote: > > This is a very interesting, factual article about what anti-terrorism experts think about Trump's ban: > > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/politics/a-sweeping-order-unlikely-to-reduce-terrorist-threat.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region%C2%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&utm_source=Chicago%20Sun-Times&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1686701_MorningEdition013017&ID=1686701_MorningEdition013017&dm_i=2JCP,105GT,6JQ0L2,2WS4A,1&_r=0 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 06:16:53 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:16:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What is neo-fascism? Where is it found? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AAA703B-9655-4B97-8887-78D4F2B6673D@illinois.edu> In the US political lexicon, neo-liberalism is not liberalism (roughly, the New Deal-Great Society tradition), but its opposite. Similarly, neo-conservatism is not conservatism (roughly, the isolationist tradition), but its opposite. Can we assume, then, the current vogue term, 'neo-fascism,' means not fascism (of the 20th century sort) - but its opposite? That at least is the danger that the US political establishment perceives in the Trump presidency. Classic fascism combined what we call neoliberalism (state-supported economic exploitation, at home and abroad) and neoconservatism (militarist repression, abroad and even at home). Fascism's defeat in WWII led in 'les trente glorieuses' (1945-75) to the welfare state and the United Nations. But beginning in the 1970s, dominant social groups in Europe and America began the overthrow of the welfare state and the UN, accomplished in the 1990s ('austerity ' and Clinton's non-UN-approved attack on Yugoslavia) - after the 1991 destruction of 'the threat of a good example’ (i.e., the socialist ideal, whatever the practice), the USSR. Trump is the first major party presidential candidate since the 1970s not to pay homage to the principles of neoliberalism and neoconservatism. That's why the US political establishment is so desperate to force those principles on the new administration. —CGE > On Jan 30, 2017, at 11:08 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 06:16:53 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 00:16:53 -0600 Subject: [Peace-discuss] What is neo-fascism? Where is it found? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AAA703B-9655-4B97-8887-78D4F2B6673D@illinois.edu> In the US political lexicon, neo-liberalism is not liberalism (roughly, the New Deal-Great Society tradition), but its opposite. Similarly, neo-conservatism is not conservatism (roughly, the isolationist tradition), but its opposite. Can we assume, then, the current vogue term, 'neo-fascism,' means not fascism (of the 20th century sort) - but its opposite? That at least is the danger that the US political establishment perceives in the Trump presidency. Classic fascism combined what we call neoliberalism (state-supported economic exploitation, at home and abroad) and neoconservatism (militarist repression, abroad and even at home). Fascism's defeat in WWII led in 'les trente glorieuses' (1945-75) to the welfare state and the United Nations. But beginning in the 1970s, dominant social groups in Europe and America began the overthrow of the welfare state and the UN, accomplished in the 1990s ('austerity ' and Clinton's non-UN-approved attack on Yugoslavia) - after the 1991 destruction of 'the threat of a good example’ (i.e., the socialist ideal, whatever the practice), the USSR. Trump is the first major party presidential candidate since the 1970s not to pay homage to the principles of neoliberalism and neoconservatism. That's why the US political establishment is so desperate to force those principles on the new administration. —CGE > On Jan 30, 2017, at 11:08 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 31 14:11:36 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 14:11:36 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Message-ID: * Subscribe * Support * Contact * Archives * RSS Latest Posts Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki, despite the fact that he had never been charged with (let alone convicted of) any crime, and the agency successfully carried out that order a year later with a September, 2011 drone strike. 30 January 2017read on... Trump's Travel Ban: Targeting Terrorism...Or Iran? President Trump's recent Executive Order banning entry to citizens of seven mostly-Muslim countries for 90 days has sparked protest and outrage. Lost in the din created by the protests is the fact that these seven countries have something in common: they have been targeted by the US for bombs or regime change. Where Iraq and Syria are now considered terrorist threats, for example, before US regime change and invasion there was no terrorist problem. 30 January 2017read on... A Better Solution Than Trump’s Border Wall Just one week in office, President Trump is already following through on his pledge to address illegal immigration. His January 25th executive order called for the construction of a wall along the entire length of the US-Mexico border. While he is right to focus on the issue, there are several reasons why his proposed solution will unfortunately not lead us anywhere closer to solving the problem. 30 January 2017read on... About That Trump - Putin Phone Call... Making good on campaign promises to improve relations with Russia after eight years of a building new Cold War, President Donald Trump spoke by phone with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, over the weekend. Is this the beginning of a thaw and where do US/Russia relations go next? Should we expect sanctions lifted soon? Is a joint US/Russia operation in Syria on the horizon -- and would that be a good thing? RPI's Daniel McAdams speaks with RT on what might be to come... 29 January 2017read on... The End Of Mingling - 'Moderate Rebels' Join Al-Qaeda In Syria Lots of confusion about the infighting in the "rebel" held Idleb governate in Syria, the situation is now clearing up. After other tricks, like renaming the group, did not work to deceive al-Qaeda finally pulled back the veil. It is no longer hiding between the "moderate rebels" but is now (again) a clearly identifiable groups. Groups near to al-Qaeda integrated with it, other groups split with significant parts joining the al-Qaeda organization. 28 January 2017read on... FEATURED ARTICLES < Older Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. written by glenn greenwald monday january 30, 2017[http://ronpaulinstitute.org/images/icons/printer.png] [undefined] Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki, despite the fact that he had never been charged with (let alone convicted of) any crime, and the agency successfully carried out that order a year later with a September, 2011 drone strike. While that assassination created widespread debate – the once-again-beloved ACLU sued Obama to restrain him from the assassination on the ground of due process and then, when that suit was dismissed, sued Obama again after the killing was carried out – another drone-killing carried out shortly thereafter was perhaps even more significant yet generated relatively little attention. Two weeks after the killing of Awlaki, a separate CIA drone strike in Yemenkilled his 16-year-old American-born son, Abdulrahman, along with the boy’s 17-year-old cousin and several other innocent Yemenis. The US eventually claimed that the boy was not their target but merely “collateral damage.” Abdulrahman’s grief-stricken grandfather, Nasser al-Awlaki, urged the Washington Post “to visit a Facebook memorial page for Abdulrahman,” which explained: “Look at his pictures, his friends, and his hobbies His Facebook page shows a typical kid.” Few events pulled the mask off Obama officials like this one. It highlighted how the Obama administration was ravaging Yemen, one of the world’s poorest countries: just weeks after he won the Nobel Prize, Obama used cluster bombs that killed 35 Yemeni women and children. Even Obama-supporting liberal comedians mocked the Obama DOJ’s arguments for why it had the right to execute Americans with no charges: “Due Process Just Means There’s A Process That You Do,” snarked Stephen Colbert. And a firestorm erupted when former Obama Press Secretary Robert Gibbs offered a sociopathic justification for killing the Colorado-born teenager, apparently blaming him for his own killing by saying he should have “had a more responsible father.” ... In a hideous symbol of the bipartisan continuity of US barbarism, Nasser al-Awlaki just lost another one of his young grandchildren to US violence. On Sunday, the Navy’s SEAL Team 6, using armed Reaper drones for cover, carried out a commando raid on what it said was a compound harboring officials of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. A statement issued by President Trump lamented the death of an American service member and several others who were wounded, but made no mention of any civilian deaths. US military officials initially denied any civilian deaths, and (therefore) the CNN report on the raid said nothing about any civilians being killed. But reports from Yemen quickly surfaced that 30 people were killed, including 10 women and children. Among the dead: the 8-year-old granddaughter of Nasser al-Awlaki, Nawar, who was also the daughter of Anwar Awlaki. As noted by my colleague Jeremy Scahill – who extensively interviewed the grandparents in Yemen for his book and film on Obama’s “Dirty Wars” – the girl “was shot in the neck and killed,” bleeding to death over the course of two hours. “Why kill children?,” the grandfather asked. “This is the new (US) administration – it’s very sad, a big crime.” The New York Times yesterday reported that military officials had been planning and debating the raid for months under the Obama administration, but Obama officials decided to leave the choice to Trump. The new President personally authorized the attack last week. Fair Use Excerpt. Read the article here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But Caitlin Johnstone points out why that may be OK: . —CGE On Jan 30, 2017, at 11:47 PM, Dianna Visek via Peace wrote: This is a very interesting, factual article about what anti-terrorism experts think about Trump's ban: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/politics/a-sweeping-order-unlikely-to-reduce-terrorist-threat.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region%C2%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&utm_source=Chicago%20Sun-Times&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1686701_MorningEdition013017&ID=1686701_MorningEdition013017&dm_i=2JCP,105GT,6JQ0L2,2WS4A,1&_r=0 _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But Caitlin Johnstone points out why that may be OK: . —CGE On Jan 30, 2017, at 11:47 PM, Dianna Visek via Peace wrote: This is a very interesting, factual article about what anti-terrorism experts think about Trump's ban: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/politics/a-sweeping-order-unlikely-to-reduce-terrorist-threat.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region%C2%AEion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&utm_source=Chicago%20Sun-Times&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1686701_MorningEdition013017&ID=1686701_MorningEdition013017&dm_i=2JCP,105GT,6JQ0L2,2WS4A,1&_r=0 _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 31 14:17:36 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 14:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1276023438.703616.1485872256848@mail.yahoo.com> I assume this means that there will be 5,000 or so joining us at the corner of Neil and Main on Saturday afternoon. On Tuesday, January 31, 2017 8:12 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: - Subscribe - Support - Contact - Archives - RSS Latest Posts Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister.  In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki, despite the fact that he had never been charged with (let alone convicted of) any crime, and the agency successfully carried out that order a year later with a September, 2011 drone strike.  30 January 2017read on...Trump's Travel Ban: Targeting Terrorism...Or Iran?  President Trump's recent Executive Order banning entry to citizens of seven mostly-Muslim countries for 90 days has sparked protest and outrage. Lost in the din created by the protests is the fact that these seven countries have something in common: they have been targeted by the US for bombs or regime change. Where Iraq and Syria are now considered terrorist threats, for example, before US regime change and invasion there was no terrorist problem.  30 January 2017read on...A Better Solution Than Trump’s Border Wall  Just one week in office, President Trump is already following through on his pledge to address illegal immigration. His January 25th executive order called for the construction of a wall along the entire length of the US-Mexico border. While he is right to focus on the issue, there are several reasons why his proposed solution will unfortunately not lead us anywhere closer to solving the problem.  30 January 2017read on...About That Trump - Putin Phone Call...  Making good on campaign promises to improve relations with Russia after eight years of a building new Cold War, President Donald Trump spoke by phone with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, over the weekend. Is this the beginning of a thaw and where do US/Russia relations go next? Should we expect sanctions lifted soon? Is a joint US/Russia operation in Syria on the horizon -- and would that be a good thing? RPI's Daniel McAdams speaks with RT on what might be to come...  29 January 2017read on...The End Of Mingling - 'Moderate Rebels' Join Al-Qaeda In Syria  Lots of confusion about the infighting in the "rebel" held Idleb governate in Syria, the situation is now clearing up. After other tricks, like renaming the group, did not work to deceive al-Qaeda finally pulled back the veil. It is no longer hiding between the "moderate rebels" but is now (again) a clearly identifiable groups. Groups near to al-Qaeda integrated with it, other groups split with significant parts joining the al-Qaeda organization.  28 January 2017read on... FEATURED ARTICLES < Older Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. written by glenn greenwaldmonday january 30, 2017 Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki, despite the fact that he had never been charged with (let alone convicted of) any crime, and the agency successfully carried out that order a year later with a September, 2011 drone strike. While that assassination created widespread debate – the once-again-beloved ACLU sued Obama to restrain him from the assassination on the ground of due process and then, when that suit was dismissed, sued Obama again after the killing was carried out – another drone-killing carried out shortly thereafter was perhaps even more significant yet generated relatively little attention. Two weeks after the killing of Awlaki, a separate CIA drone strike in Yemenkilled his 16-year-old American-born son, Abdulrahman, along with the boy’s 17-year-old cousin and several other innocent Yemenis. The US eventually claimed that the boy was not their target but merely “collateral damage.” Abdulrahman’s grief-stricken grandfather, Nasser al-Awlaki, urged the Washington Post “to visit a Facebook memorial page for Abdulrahman,” which explained: “Look at his pictures, his friends, and his hobbies His Facebook page shows a typical kid.” Few events pulled the mask off Obama officials like this one. It highlighted how the Obama administration was ravaging Yemen, one of the world’s poorest countries: just weeks after he won the Nobel Prize, Obama used cluster bombs that killed 35 Yemeni women and children. Even Obama-supporting liberal comedians mocked the Obama DOJ’s arguments for why it had the right to execute Americans with no charges: “Due Process Just Means There’s A Process That You Do,” snarked Stephen Colbert. And a firestorm erupted when former Obama Press Secretary Robert Gibbs offered a sociopathic justification for killing the Colorado-born teenager, apparently blaming him for his own killing by saying he should have “had a more responsible father.” ... In a hideous symbol of the bipartisan continuity of US barbarism, Nasser al-Awlaki just lost another one of his young grandchildren to US violence. On Sunday, the Navy’s SEAL Team 6, using armed Reaper drones for cover, carried out a commando raid on what it said was a compound harboring officials of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. A statement issued by President Trump lamented the death of an American service member and several others who were wounded, but made no mention of any civilian deaths. US military officials initially denied any civilian deaths, and (therefore) the CNN report on the raid said nothing about any civilians being killed. But reports from Yemen quickly surfaced that 30 people were killed, including 10 women and children. Among the dead: the 8-year-old granddaughter of Nasser al-Awlaki, Nawar, who was also the daughter of Anwar Awlaki. As noted by my colleague Jeremy Scahill – who extensively interviewed the grandparents in Yemen for his book and film on Obama’s “Dirty Wars” –  the girl “was shot in the neck and killed,” bleeding to death over the course of two hours. “Why kill children?,” the grandfather asked. “This is the new (US) administration – it’s very sad, a big crime.” The New York Times yesterday reported that military officials had been planning and debating the raid for months under the Obama administration, but Obama officials decided to leave the choice to Trump. The new President personally authorized the attack last week.  Fair Use Excerpt. 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:11 AM To: Peace-discuss ; Peace-discuss List ; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace List Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 15:26:15 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:26:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, after exterminating countless Muslims all over the World, the Dems are now shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims like Chuck Schumer. Meanwhile the Dems cheer on and pay for Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinians. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:11 AM To: Peace-discuss ; Peace-discuss List ; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace List Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 15:28:25 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:28:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:26 AM To: 'Karen Aram' ; Peace-discuss ; Peace-discuss List ; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: C. G. Estabrook Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Yeah, after exterminating countless Muslims all over the World, the Dems are now shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims like Chuck Schumer. Meanwhile the Dems cheer on and pay for Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinians. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:11 AM To: Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace List > Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 31 15:31:32 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:31:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: From: Karen Aram > Subject: Fwd: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Date: January 31, 2017 at 07:18:27 PST To: Brian Dolinar >, Geovanny Vega >, Gmail >, "Boyle, Francis A" > Since 2003 the USG is responsible for the deaths of millions, most taking place over the past eight years with little notice. Now that the American people have awakened, maybe we can do something to stop the tragedy of interventions, war and killings. AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 31 15:31:32 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:31:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: From: Karen Aram > Subject: Fwd: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Date: January 31, 2017 at 07:18:27 PST To: Brian Dolinar >, Geovanny Vega >, Gmail >, "Boyle, Francis A" > Since 2003 the USG is responsible for the deaths of millions, most taking place over the past eight years with little notice. Now that the American people have awakened, maybe we can do something to stop the tragedy of interventions, war and killings. AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 15:35:28 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:35:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: And Ditto for the American Mainstream News Media. They are now just shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims after having supported every US wholesale massacre of Muslims since Bush Sr's War in January of 1991 that exterminated about 200,000 Iraqis, about half of whom were Civilians. America's Hydrocarbon War (1991--) against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Spare me their Crocodile Tears for Muslims! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Karen Aram ; Jay Becker ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory ; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson ; Dave Trippel ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien ; David Johnson ; Joe Lauria ; David Green Subject: FW: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:26 AM To: 'Karen Aram' >; Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: C. G. Estabrook > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Yeah, after exterminating countless Muslims all over the World, the Dems are now shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims like Chuck Schumer. Meanwhile the Dems cheer on and pay for Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinians. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:11 AM To: Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace List > Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 15:40:34 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:40:34 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: And of course all the Dems and the Mainstream US Media cheered on and paid for Israel's ongoing and serial genocide against the Palestinian Muslims living in Gaza, including and especially Chuck Schumer. Spare me all their Crocodile Tears for Muslims today! Barf! And Barf again! Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'David Green' Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And Ditto for the American Mainstream News Media. They are now just shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims after having supported every US wholesale massacre of Muslims since Bush Sr's War in January of 1991 that exterminated about 200,000 Iraqis, about half of whom were Civilians. America's Hydrocarbon War (1991--) against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Spare me their Crocodile Tears for Muslims! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: FW: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:26 AM To: 'Karen Aram' >; Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: C. G. Estabrook > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Yeah, after exterminating countless Muslims all over the World, the Dems are now shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims like Chuck Schumer. Meanwhile the Dems cheer on and pay for Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinians. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:11 AM To: Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace List > Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidcnswanson at gmail.com Tue Jan 31 15:45:29 2017 From: davidcnswanson at gmail.com (David Swanson) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 10:45:29 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Next Step in Caring By David Swanson http://davidswanson.org/node/5429 Airport resistance is the biggest step forward by the U.S. public in years. Why do I say that? Because this is unfunded, largely unpartisan activism that is largely selfless, largely focused on helping unknown strangers, driven by compassion and love, not political ideology, greed, or vengeance, and in line with activism around the globe. It's also targeted at the location of the harm, directly resisting the injustice, and achieving immediate partial successes, including very meaningful successes for certain individuals. It's gaining support from people never before engaged in any activism. And it shows no signs of any significant undesirable side-effects. This is a movement to be built on, and I have an idea what a next step should be. Of course it is not at all uncommon for people to selflessly act for strangers. Much of the charity industry is driven by that sort of generosity year after year. But activist organizations are constantly telling themselves that this is not the case, for example that ending the bombing of distant unknown families can only be accomplished by advertising the financial cost of it or instituting a draft or making known the harm to veterans of the military doing the bombing. Yet when the peace movement in the United States has been stronger, in the 1920s in particular and also in the 1960s, acting on behalf of others has been central, as it was to the first big activist campaign, that begun against the slave trade in London, and as it has been in countless campaigns. Working to protect the natural environment is work for future generations. You can't get more selfless or enlightened than that. But what's unique about this moment of sympathy and solidarity with refugees from nations the United States has bombed (plus Iran which it has gone after in other ways) is that it runs counter to U.S. government propaganda, it replaces fear with courage, hatred with love. This isn't just love stepping into a void. This is a transformation into love from its opposite. This is why I think another major step might be possible. When I listen to people interviewed at New York protests, or look at the signs they bring to the White House and to airports around the country, I'm struck by the expressions of love and concern for others, more than by the presence of partisanship or hatred for Donald Trump (though it certainly is a factor). And I'm bowled over by the widespread recognition of the lesson from history of the damage done to European Jews by U.S. immigration policy. Protesters' signs indicate an awareness that Jewish refugees were rejected by the West, that Western governments met and refused to accept their mass eviction from Germany, that the U.S. Coast Guard chased a ship away from Miami many of whose passengers later died in the camps, that Anne Frank's visa application was rejected by the U.S. State Department. I had no idea people knew these things, much less learned and applied a lesson from them. Of course, some protesters have personal connections to those put at risk by Trump's Muslim ban (and that's what it is, based on his campaign promises and his renaming of the Global War on [of] Terrorism to the Fight Against Radical Islamism). And others find ways to identify themselves with those at risk, such as: "We're a nation of immigrants. My great-grandparents were immigrants." But this doesn't make the movement less altruistic. Identifying with people in some way, even as fellow human beings, is a common part of coming to care about them and to act for or with them. There are indications that this sentiment is not limited to those protesting and resisting at airports. The ACLU has never raised more money before. And check out this tweet: *John Paul Farmer @johnpaulfarmer * I'm 20 minutes from landing at JFK. Pilot just warned us about delays due to #NoBan protests at T4. The passengers' response? Applause. There are also protests happening around the world, outside of the United States, allowing us to build a global movement against global injustices even when those injustices are headquartered in Washington, D.C. And in Washington D.C. and around the U.S. we see unprecedented resistance from an Acting Attorney General and from judges -- a group that seemed to be mostly asleep for the past 16 years. And Canada, which has resisted U.S. wars, aided those enslaved, given shelter to conscientious objectors, and protected people from all variety of U.S. injustice for centuries, stepped up too: *Justin Trudeau @JustinTrudeau * To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada There are elements of partisanship in this uprising that could hold it back, and of nationalism as well. Some liberals are not so much concerned about human cruelty as about Trump disrespecting their sacred U.S. military. Where were these crowds when President Barack Obama was setting records for deportations, or when he was bombing the nations that Trump is now banning refugees from, or when he was purporting to create the presidential power to do what Trump is now doing? Our task is not to erase mistakes of the recent past but not to focus on them either. Our task is to move forward with what we now have. And I think the way forward involves taking one additional major step beyond where the resistance is right now. Once people have come to resist injustices to refugees from wars, to identify with them, to contemplate lives lived in horror of immigration police, to consider the suffering of family members in distant lands suddenly blocked from visiting their loved ones, it seems to be a quite achievable step to begin opposing dropping bombs on those family members. If you're going to oppose harm to refugees, why not oppose the destruction of their homes that makes them refugees in the first place? If you are willing to question government fear-mongering, you are ready to question the government dogma that says more weapons sales and more bombs and more troops will make things better rather than worse. If that step is taken, then this becomes a movement that cares not only about that fraction of suffering populations that finds some tenuous connection to U.S. shores, but about that whole 96% of humanity that lacks any such connection. Then we really have something new under the sun. Then we really transform U.S. policy. Then the trillion dollars a year wasted on preparing for more wars can be cut into a little bit to fund human and environmental needs beyond our wildest imaginings. I was heartened by this recent tweet: *Yaroslav Trofimov @yarotrof * Number of US citizens who traveled to Iraq, Syria to kills locals on behalf of ISIS: 250. Syrians or Iraqis who carried out attacks in US: 0 I replied: *David Swanson @davidcnswanson * What about number who went there to kill locals on behalf of US military? photo by Ted Majdosz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 15:53:41 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:53:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?FW=3A_Panel_Discussion--The_Univ?= =?windows-1252?q?ersity_of_Illinois_College_of_Law=3A_=93President_Trump?= =?windows-1252?q?=92s_Executive_Order_on_Immigration=94?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, so notice the hypocrisy here by the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. They brought Killer Koh in here covered Head to Toe in Muslim Blood and stinking of Death and Destruction of tens of thousands of Muslims all over the world. And now the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are going to shed some Crocodile Tears for Muslims. Barf! And barf again! Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Gitler, Terri Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:49 AM Subject: Panel Discussion--The University of Illinois College of Law: “President Trump’s Executive Order on Immigration” The University of Illinois College of Law presents: “President Trump’s Executive Order on Immigration” A panel discussion moderated by Professor Lesley Wexler Panel leaders include: Professor Jason Mazzone Professor Colleen Murphy An opportunity to provide the community with a legal and scholarly analysis of President Trump’s Executive Order on Immigration, and ensuing litigation and activities. Date: February 3, 2017 Time: 12:00 pm - 1:00 pm Location: Max L. Rowe Auditorium, Law Building Sponsors: University of Illinois College of Law, Federalist Society, Immigration Law Society, and International Students Association Contact: Carolyn Turner E-Mail: carolynt at illinois.edu Co-hosted by: American Constitution Society, College of Law Federalist Society, College of Law Immigration Law Society, College of Law International Students Association, College of Law Free and open to the public. Lunch will be provided for session attendees. Terri L. Gitler Center for African Studies 910 S. Fifth Street Champaign, IL 61820 (217) 265-5016 tgitler at illinois.edu [IL150_logo_IIP] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2985 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 16:13:02 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:13:02 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: Where were all these Dems when we lawyers were trying to stop serial US Wars of Aggression and Genocide against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas since the start of the US Hydrocarbon Wars in 1991 by Bush Sr. In fact, we only got only one Dem in 1991 to support our Resolution of Impeachment against Bush Sr-the late, great Henry B. Gonzalez. Almost all the other Dems either chickened out or supported the US Hydrocarbon Wars and have so done ever since then. Spare me their Hypocritical Crocodile Tears for Muslims now. Ditto for the Mainstream US News Media. Ditto and a fortiori for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. We have exterminated Millions of Muslims all over the World since January of 1991. And most of the Dems fully supported it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:41 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'David Green' Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And of course all the Dems and the Mainstream US Media cheered on and paid for Israel's ongoing and serial genocide against the Palestinian Muslims living in Gaza, including and especially Chuck Schumer. Spare me all their Crocodile Tears for Muslims today! Barf! And Barf again! Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And Ditto for the American Mainstream News Media. They are now just shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims after having supported every US wholesale massacre of Muslims since Bush Sr's War in January of 1991 that exterminated about 200,000 Iraqis, about half of whom were Civilians. America's Hydrocarbon War (1991--) against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Spare me their Crocodile Tears for Muslims! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: FW: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:26 AM To: 'Karen Aram' >; Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: C. G. Estabrook > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Yeah, after exterminating countless Muslims all over the World, the Dems are now shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims like Chuck Schumer. Meanwhile the Dems cheer on and pay for Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinians. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:11 AM To: Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace List > Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 16:19:25 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:19:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: And of course the Dems and the Mainstream News Media have fully supported, paid for, and cheered on Israel's serial wars of aggression and genocides against the Palestinians and surrounding Muslim States and Peoples since 1967-for at least the past 50 years that I have been paying attention to this matter. Barf! And barf again! Triple Barf for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:13 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'David Green' Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Where were all these Dems when we lawyers were trying to stop serial US Wars of Aggression and Genocide against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas since the start of the US Hydrocarbon Wars in 1991 by Bush Sr. In fact, we only got only one Dem in 1991 to support our Resolution of Impeachment against Bush Sr-the late, great Henry B. Gonzalez. Almost all the other Dems either chickened out or supported the US Hydrocarbon Wars and have so done ever since then. Spare me their Hypocritical Crocodile Tears for Muslims now. Ditto for the Mainstream US News Media. Ditto and a fortiori for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. We have exterminated Millions of Muslims all over the World since January of 1991. And most of the Dems fully supported it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:41 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And of course all the Dems and the Mainstream US Media cheered on and paid for Israel's ongoing and serial genocide against the Palestinian Muslims living in Gaza, including and especially Chuck Schumer. Spare me all their Crocodile Tears for Muslims today! Barf! And Barf again! Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And Ditto for the American Mainstream News Media. They are now just shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims after having supported every US wholesale massacre of Muslims since Bush Sr's War in January of 1991 that exterminated about 200,000 Iraqis, about half of whom were Civilians. America's Hydrocarbon War (1991--) against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Spare me their Crocodile Tears for Muslims! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: FW: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:26 AM To: 'Karen Aram' >; Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: C. G. Estabrook > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Yeah, after exterminating countless Muslims all over the World, the Dems are now shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims like Chuck Schumer. Meanwhile the Dems cheer on and pay for Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinians. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:11 AM To: Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace List > Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 16:31:22 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:31:22 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: And despite our best, ceaseless efforts, Ramsey Clark and I could not get even one Dem to put in our draft Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr to stop his war of extermination against Iraq that murdered about 1.5 million mostly Muslims. Most of the Dems and all of the US Mainstream News Media fully supported this wholesale extermination of Muslims in order to steal their oil and gas in Iraq. Please, spare me their Crocodile Tears. Barf! And Barf again! Triple Barf for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. And Quadruple Barf for everyone around here who supported Phyllis Wise {Sic!} for her illegal firing of Steve Salaita and throwing Him and his Wife and Their Baby out in the street with no means of support. Typical of the way Palestinians and their Cause have always been treated on this campus since I arrived here in 1978. Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:19 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'David Green' Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And of course the Dems and the Mainstream News Media have fully supported, paid for, and cheered on Israel's serial wars of aggression and genocides against the Palestinians and surrounding Muslim States and Peoples since 1967-for at least the past 50 years that I have been paying attention to this matter. Barf! And barf again! Triple Barf for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:13 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Where were all these Dems when we lawyers were trying to stop serial US Wars of Aggression and Genocide against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas since the start of the US Hydrocarbon Wars in 1991 by Bush Sr. In fact, we only got only one Dem in 1991 to support our Resolution of Impeachment against Bush Sr-the late, great Henry B. Gonzalez. Almost all the other Dems either chickened out or supported the US Hydrocarbon Wars and have so done ever since then. Spare me their Hypocritical Crocodile Tears for Muslims now. Ditto for the Mainstream US News Media. Ditto and a fortiori for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. We have exterminated Millions of Muslims all over the World since January of 1991. And most of the Dems fully supported it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:41 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And of course all the Dems and the Mainstream US Media cheered on and paid for Israel's ongoing and serial genocide against the Palestinian Muslims living in Gaza, including and especially Chuck Schumer. Spare me all their Crocodile Tears for Muslims today! Barf! And Barf again! Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And Ditto for the American Mainstream News Media. They are now just shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims after having supported every US wholesale massacre of Muslims since Bush Sr's War in January of 1991 that exterminated about 200,000 Iraqis, about half of whom were Civilians. America's Hydrocarbon War (1991--) against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Spare me their Crocodile Tears for Muslims! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: FW: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:26 AM To: 'Karen Aram' >; Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: C. G. Estabrook > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Yeah, after exterminating countless Muslims all over the World, the Dems are now shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims like Chuck Schumer. Meanwhile the Dems cheer on and pay for Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinians. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:11 AM To: Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace List > Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 16:44:42 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 16:44:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: And I should point out for the record that our then bootlicking Acting Dean of the Illinois Nazis Law School Columbo sent a public letter to Wise {sic!} fully supporting her illegal firing of Salaita and throwing Him and his Wife and their Baby out into the street with no means of support. Not even Crocodile Tears by the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty when it came to their Destruction of the Salaita Family. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:31 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'David Green' Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And despite our best, ceaseless efforts, Ramsey Clark and I could not get even one Dem to put in our draft Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr to stop his war of extermination against Iraq that murdered about 1.5 million mostly Muslims. Most of the Dems and all of the US Mainstream News Media fully supported this wholesale extermination of Muslims in order to steal their oil and gas in Iraq. Please, spare me their Crocodile Tears. Barf! And Barf again! Triple Barf for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. And Quadruple Barf for everyone around here who supported Phyllis Wise {Sic!} for her illegal firing of Steve Salaita and throwing Him and his Wife and Their Baby out in the street with no means of support. Typical of the way Palestinians and their Cause have always been treated on this campus since I arrived here in 1978. Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:19 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And of course the Dems and the Mainstream News Media have fully supported, paid for, and cheered on Israel's serial wars of aggression and genocides against the Palestinians and surrounding Muslim States and Peoples since 1967-for at least the past 50 years that I have been paying attention to this matter. Barf! And barf again! Triple Barf for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:13 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Where were all these Dems when we lawyers were trying to stop serial US Wars of Aggression and Genocide against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas since the start of the US Hydrocarbon Wars in 1991 by Bush Sr. In fact, we only got only one Dem in 1991 to support our Resolution of Impeachment against Bush Sr-the late, great Henry B. Gonzalez. Almost all the other Dems either chickened out or supported the US Hydrocarbon Wars and have so done ever since then. Spare me their Hypocritical Crocodile Tears for Muslims now. Ditto for the Mainstream US News Media. Ditto and a fortiori for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. We have exterminated Millions of Muslims all over the World since January of 1991. And most of the Dems fully supported it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:41 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And of course all the Dems and the Mainstream US Media cheered on and paid for Israel's ongoing and serial genocide against the Palestinian Muslims living in Gaza, including and especially Chuck Schumer. Spare me all their Crocodile Tears for Muslims today! Barf! And Barf again! Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And Ditto for the American Mainstream News Media. They are now just shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims after having supported every US wholesale massacre of Muslims since Bush Sr's War in January of 1991 that exterminated about 200,000 Iraqis, about half of whom were Civilians. America's Hydrocarbon War (1991--) against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Spare me their Crocodile Tears for Muslims! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: FW: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:26 AM To: 'Karen Aram' >; Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: C. G. Estabrook > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Yeah, after exterminating countless Muslims all over the World, the Dems are now shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims like Chuck Schumer. Meanwhile the Dems cheer on and pay for Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinians. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:11 AM To: Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace List > Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jan 31 17:45:49 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 17:45:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: All these Rank Hypocrites shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims today: How many of them have shed even ONE TEAR for the Palestinians since June of 1967 when I first began paying attention to their Genocidal Plight? How many of these Rank Hypocrites have lifted even one finger to help the Palestinians since June of 1967? The Palestinians don't even get their Crocodile Tears. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:45 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'Jay Becker' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Dave Trippel' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'David Green' Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And I should point out for the record that our then bootlicking Acting Dean of the Illinois Nazis Law School Columbo sent a public letter to Wise {sic!} fully supporting her illegal firing of Salaita and throwing Him and his Wife and their Baby out into the street with no means of support. Not even Crocodile Tears by the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty when it came to their Destruction of the Salaita Family. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:31 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And despite our best, ceaseless efforts, Ramsey Clark and I could not get even one Dem to put in our draft Bills of Impeachment against Bush Jr to stop his war of extermination against Iraq that murdered about 1.5 million mostly Muslims. Most of the Dems and all of the US Mainstream News Media fully supported this wholesale extermination of Muslims in order to steal their oil and gas in Iraq. Please, spare me their Crocodile Tears. Barf! And Barf again! Triple Barf for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. And Quadruple Barf for everyone around here who supported Phyllis Wise {Sic!} for her illegal firing of Steve Salaita and throwing Him and his Wife and Their Baby out in the street with no means of support. Typical of the way Palestinians and their Cause have always been treated on this campus since I arrived here in 1978. Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:19 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And of course the Dems and the Mainstream News Media have fully supported, paid for, and cheered on Israel's serial wars of aggression and genocides against the Palestinians and surrounding Muslim States and Peoples since 1967-for at least the past 50 years that I have been paying attention to this matter. Barf! And barf again! Triple Barf for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:13 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Where were all these Dems when we lawyers were trying to stop serial US Wars of Aggression and Genocide against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas since the start of the US Hydrocarbon Wars in 1991 by Bush Sr. In fact, we only got only one Dem in 1991 to support our Resolution of Impeachment against Bush Sr-the late, great Henry B. Gonzalez. Almost all the other Dems either chickened out or supported the US Hydrocarbon Wars and have so done ever since then. Spare me their Hypocritical Crocodile Tears for Muslims now. Ditto for the Mainstream US News Media. Ditto and a fortiori for the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. We have exterminated Millions of Muslims all over the World since January of 1991. And most of the Dems fully supported it. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:41 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And of course all the Dems and the Mainstream US Media cheered on and paid for Israel's ongoing and serial genocide against the Palestinian Muslims living in Gaza, including and especially Chuck Schumer. Spare me all their Crocodile Tears for Muslims today! Barf! And Barf again! Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'Jay Becker' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Dave Trippel' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'David Green' > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans And Ditto for the American Mainstream News Media. They are now just shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims after having supported every US wholesale massacre of Muslims since Bush Sr's War in January of 1991 that exterminated about 200,000 Iraqis, about half of whom were Civilians. America's Hydrocarbon War (1991--) against the Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Spare me their Crocodile Tears for Muslims! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:28 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Karen Aram >; Jay Becker >; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory >; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; David Swanson >; Dave Trippel >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien >; David Johnson >; Joe Lauria >; David Green > Subject: FW: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:26 AM To: 'Karen Aram' >; Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: C. G. Estabrook > Subject: RE: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans Yeah, after exterminating countless Muslims all over the World, the Dems are now shedding Crocodile Tears for Muslims like Chuck Schumer. Meanwhile the Dems cheer on and pay for Israel's ongoing genocide against the Palestinians. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:11 AM To: Peace-discuss >; Peace-discuss List >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace List > Subject: [Peace] RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. Trump Just Killed His 8-Year-Old Sister. Nawar al-Awlaki, killed by US, Jan. 29th. In 2010, President Obama directed the CIA to assassinate an American citizen in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki,... RONPAULINSTITUTE.ORG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jan 31 20:48:55 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 20:48:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: RESIST the killing of Muslims and North Africans References: Message-ID: AWARE (ANTI-WAR, ANTI-RACISM) Demonstration against killing and war in the Middle East and North Africa, At the corner of Church and Neil Sts., 2:00pm Saturday February 4th, 2017. [https://external.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQAxhThlAFc-DSXx&w=487&h=255&url=http%3A%2F%2Fronpaulinstitute.org%2Fmedia%2F120994%2Fyemen-girl.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=110&sw=724&sh=379&_nc_hash=AQCMWgfv4Ncn02VW] Obama Killed a 16-Year-Old American in Yemen. 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