[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

[John W.]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

These are important articles.
>
> Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should
> consider militarism.  Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were
> militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by
> design.
>

AFTER they had first secured and consolidated their virtually absolute
power in their countries of origin.



> But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism,
> past and future.
>

If I remember correctly, Hitler was a "peace candidate" too, in the
beginning.  He was a master of propaganda, with the able assistance of
Goebbels.  Meanwhile he let his brownshirts do his dirty work for him in
the streets.  Sound at all familiar?



> Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar
> Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the
> last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the
> world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed
> more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first
> US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential
> terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he
> is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist
> campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed
> thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of
> children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and
> more.
>
> I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But
> Trump wasn’t the fascist.  —


Not quite yet.



> CGE
>
>
>
> > On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of
> Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books,
> that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy
> is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes:
> >
> > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/
> >
> > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-
> bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/
> >
> > https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-
> earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/
> >
> > The Weimar Analogy
> >
> > The Weimar Analogy
> > Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites'
> antidemocratic fantasies.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via
> Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between
> now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski
> since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program
> at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate
> School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD
> Harvard  Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe
> who detests Russia and  the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's  last
> chance to get America into a war with Russia:
> >     It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome,
> Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign
> policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the
> First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords
> of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
> > Fab
> > Ed Norton Professor of Law
> > Carl Schmitt College of Law:
> > "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"
> >
> >
> >
> > Francis A. Boyle
> > Law Building
> > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
> > Champaign, IL 61820 USA
> > 217-333-7954 (phone)
> > 217-244-1478 (fax)
> > (personal comments only)
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20170104/4e06c85e/attachment.html>