[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

[David Johnson]

" Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific "



Not really true Carl !  

Though late to the game and nowhere near the scale of Britain and France, Germany and Italy nevertheless were belligerent imperialistic  countries with colonies in Libya ( Italy ) and in the case of Germany - Namibia, Cameroon, and Tanzania, as well as a small chunk of China.

David J.

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Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

These are important articles.

Those who draw parallels between Trump and Mussolini/Hitler should consider militarism.  Fascist movements in 20th-century Europe were militaristic and belligerent; they attacked neighbors (Ethiopia, Poland) by design.

But Trump ran for president, criticizing Clinton's belligerent militarism, past and future.

Also, the states in which Italian and German fascism arose - Weimar Germany and the kingdom of Italy - were notably pacific. But the US in the last two generations has been “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today" (M. L. King). Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million people in 37 nations and President Obama is the first US president - ever - to have been at war throughout two presidential terms. He has attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and he is today conducting what has been called “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - his drone assassinations. He has killed thousands of civilians with drones, including US citizens and hundreds of children. His chosen successor indicated that she would do the same, and more.  

I do think war was the most important issue in the recent election. But Trump wasn’t the fascist.  —CGE  



> On Jan 4, 2017, at 1:24 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest notice of the nefarious historical revisionism of Timothy Snyder, including articles in the liberal New York Review of Books, that has been ably responded to at the Jacobin website. The fascism analogy is thus strangely accompanied by de-emphasizing Nazi crimes:
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> https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/timothy-snyders-lies/
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> https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/timothy-snyder-bialoszewski-memoir-warsaw-uprising/
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> https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/08/timothy-snyder-black-earth-bloodlands-holocaust-soviets-nazis/
> 
> The Weimar Analogy
> 
> The Weimar Analogy
> Comparing Trump's America to fascist Germany only fuels elites' antidemocratic fantasies.
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> 
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 1:12 PM, "Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> 
> And if you think I am joking about the danger of US/Russia war between now and January 20: Remember Obama's Mentor and Guru is Zbigniew Brzezinski since Obama's student days at Columbia. I went through the same PHD Program at Harvard that produced Zbig and Kissinger before me: The Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government-- not the CIA/DOD Harvard  Kennedy School Front Organization. Zbig is a die-hard Russophobe who detests Russia and  the Russians with a passion. This is Zbig's  last chance to get America into a war with Russia:
>     It is the Unlimited Imperialists along the lines of Alexander, Rome, Napoleon and Hitler who are now in charge of conducting American foreign policy. The factual circumstances surrounding the outbreaks of both the First World War and the Second World War currently hover like twin  Swords of Damocles over the heads of all humanity.
> Fab
> Ed Norton Professor of Law
> Carl Schmitt College of Law:
> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"
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> 
> 
> Francis A. Boyle
> Law Building
> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
> 217-333-7954 (phone)
> 217-244-1478 (fax)
> (personal comments only)
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