[Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

[Boyle, Francis A]

For the record: Jay’s  People came all the way down from Chicago just to participate quite productively and actively  in our protest against Clinton’s Killer Koh in front of this Illinois Nazis Law School on October 28, 2016. THANKS!

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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

That article I shared is from Revolution newspaper, which is a publication of the Revolutionary Communist Party. Do we evaluate ideas based on their source, or the content? You mention only the one.

RefuseFascism.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__RefuseFascism.org&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=9pfaJTVUN6iWUPuRLjMUrCY6fH62exQrIWr2TxGVOC0&s=S6aTWzZh6d292FWWxCNwT2mxIkk5qEEBFd-IVmR94eA&e=> is a far far broader movement. One of the initiators is a member of the RCP, Carl Dix. Everyone is invited to check out the scope & range of the people<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__refusefascism.org_we-2Drefuse-2Dto-2Daccept-2Da-2Dfascist-2Damerica_-23sign&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=9pfaJTVUN6iWUPuRLjMUrCY6fH62exQrIWr2TxGVOC0&s=3-JkpZGODm2KdUv9SA7pMhdzTzRIyN9cob5FhBZQRGo&e=> who have joined in this effort, at no small risk to themselves, and the Crowdrise crowd funding site lists the donations that funded the NY Times ad.

I’m taken aback by this red baiting. If the RCP is involved in something, it’s “their ad?”

Jay

On Jan 5, 2017, at 16:05, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu<mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:

Jay’s note is from the 'Revolutionary Communist Party,’ Bob Avakian’s group.

See their ad in Wednesday’s NY Times, <https://refusefascism.org<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__refusefascism.org_&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=9pfaJTVUN6iWUPuRLjMUrCY6fH62exQrIWr2TxGVOC0&s=D49bziVZkXIArbMKNrsPJ63HouyKtJNlLkLuR5Ycess&e=>>.

—CGE


On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com<mailto:futureup2us at gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist.

One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and differences among them:

Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles.<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.revcom.us_a_472_trumps-2Dstay-2Dstrong-2Disrael-2Dtweet-2Dgenocidal-2Dimplications-2Den.html&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=AhFuAE-JtaI1EA-m6HK6J1ifDRXFqSCsAzHSnXLVlmo&s=NMlNOXqlJ2iwd6X5cN9ixW-8Py6pFdVxZg1Q0WCfBKE&e=>

Jay



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