[Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday, 2pm-4pm / January 7, 2017

Sat Jan 7 17:57:59 UTC 2017

I agree that Obama and his administration have committed war crimes way
beyond the war crimes of each previous administration.
And I believe that each succeeding president will commit more.

All governments lean toward endless war, concentration of power, and
fascism, UNLESS the people stop it.

If we were to write an article about Obama, then we should write an article
about Obama.
I see this flier as an article about 2017. Where we are. How WE can turn it
around.

-karen medina

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> I continue to marvel at Obama’s ability “to cloud men’s [and women’s]
> minds.” (I’ll buy a beer for anyone old enough to get that reference.)
>
> He expanded Bush’s wars and launched "the most extreme terrorist campaign
> of modern times - his drone assassinations” (Chomsky).
>
> Refusing to prosecute the Bush administration’s torture (which his
> administration continued sub rosa), Obama said he had “a belief that we
> need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards.” Suppose the
> Nuremberg tribunal had said that?
>
> The problem is acute today as Obama and the neocons work furiously to bend
> the Trump administration to their war policies.
>
> We should expose and oppose that - not minimize Obama’s crimes.  —CGE
>
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Karen's version is much improved.  I do not think overemphasizing the
> outgoing president's crimes (as AWARE did not do 8 years ago) is worth the
> space.  Four years is a lot longer than 2 weeks.
>
>
>
> Ricky Baldwin
> "Speak your mind, even if your voice shakes."
> - Maggie Kuhn
>
>
> On Saturday, January 7, 2017 7:50 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>
> I like the change of “Obama” to “US” or US government in many places, that
> Karen Medina has suggested, one I have suggested many times as well, with
> no success.
>
> However I question “The Obama administration is also “partly” responsible
> for the “civil” war .  The addition of “partly” is I believe misleading
> because it minimizes the US role, Implying others are more responsible
> though others likely wouldn’t be involved at all if not for US involvement.
>
> Also, though the main stream media refers to it as a “civil” war, that is
> open to debate.
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 04:49, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thats the crucial issue today, and it’s there in the draft.
>
> After a description (which your edit removes) of Obama’s behavior in
> office, it says,
>
> "And the supporters of those murderous policies, the neocons, are
> desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration."
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:30 AM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> I like the part about obama furiosly trying to lock trump into the neocon
> wars. You should put that in the flyer.
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "Carl G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
> Date: 1/6/17 22:28 (GMT-06:00)
> To: Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] peace demonstration / Saturday,
> 2pm-4pm /   January 7, 2017
>
> Karen—
>
> I’ve been through your proposed edits for tomorrow’s flyer, and I think
> they have a tendency to obscure the differences between Trump and
> Obama-Clinton on war - and even to exculpate Obama.
>
> Obama is a good deal more than a lame duck, when it come to war policy:
> the Obama-Clinton people are working furiously to lock the Trump
> administration into the very neocon, pro-war policies Trump criticized in
> the campaign. The Russian hysteria shows the lengths they'll go to in order
> to do this.
>
> We shouldn’t minimize Obama’s vicious war-making - especially as he and
> his allies are making significant attempts to force the new administration
> into it.
>
> (As Karen Aram points out, Francis Boyle thinks they’d go as far as
> actually starting war with Russia to present Trump with a fait accompli.)
>
> Under these circumstances I’d prefer to have the passages you took out
> included.
>
> Regards, Carl
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Peace-Discuss,
> >
> > I was reading through Carl's flyer.
> > * It seems to me that Obama is a Lame Duck president with less than two
> weeks left in his presidency.
> > * I think we might be better off diving directly into things as they
> currently are, the situation that Trump will inherit.
> > * I took out stuff that I think we don't need, and I changed Obama to US
> in a few places.
> >
> > -karen medina
> > ---
> > A proposed flyer for Saturday’s demonstration. Comments welcome.
> > [I took out stuff that I think we don't need.]
> > ---
> > THE U.S. GOVERNMENT’S ATTACKS ON THE PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST -
> > AND ITS WAR PROVOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD - CONTINUE IN 2017.
> > THAT’S UNJUSTIFIED - WE MUST TELL THEM TO STOP .
> >
> > The United States is continues making war around the world - although
> most Americans are not aware of what we are doing.
> >
> > Since World War II, US presidents have killed more than 20 million
> people in 37 nations. The US remains what M. L. King called it, “The
> greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.”
> >
> > In addition to conducting wars throughout the Mideast, the US is acting
> with belligerence toward China and promoting an ongoing proxy war against
> Russia in Ukraine; that war has already killed more people than Israel
> killed (with US permission) in Gaza in 2014. The United States is risking
> war with both Russia and China, even nuclear war. The President also
> commands a 70,000-member private army, the Special Operations Command,
> active in more than 130 countries. Their activities include kidnapping
> ("rendition"), murder, and torture.
> >
> > Not only is the United States risking nuclear war, we are preparing for
> it: President Obama  launched a 10-year trillion dollar program to update
> nuclear weapons - and make them more usable!
> >
> > The Obama administration is also partly responsible for the vicious
> civil war in Syria, which has killed thousands and flooded Europe with
> refugees.
> >
> > Why has our government plagued the world with war for more than two
> generations? The answer is simple and horrible - to protect the profits of
> the 1%, the American economic elite.
> >
> > When World War II ended in 1945, the US was the only undamaged major
> country, and controlled the world economy, for the benefit of that 1%. In
> all the years since, US administrations have been willing to kill people
> and make war to “maintain the disparity,” as American planners said.
> >
> > The Mideast has been a particular concern of the US government because
> of its vast stock of oil and natural gas. The US doesn’t need oil from the
> Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic
> competitors in Europe and Asia - so control over theses resources gives the
> US a choke-hold over China, Germany, and other countries. But that control
> benefits only the American economic elite and not Americans in general,
> who’ve seen wealth concentrate in fewer and fewer hands - at an
> accelerating rate - throughout the Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack
> Obama administrations.
> >
> > As Obama leaves office, he promises ten thousand US troops will stay in
> Afghanistan - along with mercenaries and ‘coalition forces’ (NATO). And US
> subversion of other countries in MENA - the Mideast and North Africa -
> continues apace.
> >
> > Astonishingly, the US administration claims that its authority to
> continue to kill people in the Mideast today comes from the “Authorization
> for the Use of Military Force” passed by Congress just after the criminal
> attacks of 9-11-2001: that was directed against al-Qaeda, the organization
> responsible for the 9-11 attacks. But the US administration is killing
> people today in the Syria in alliance with al-Qaeda - although most
> Americans don’t know it.
> >
> > And the supporters of that murderous policy, the neocons, are
> desperately seeking to influence the incoming Trump administration.
> >
> > The Australian journalist John Pilger wrote before the election, "The
> CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he
> is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its
> relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected.
> Something is up. These tribunes of “perpetual war” are terrified that the
> multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains
> its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with
> China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great
> power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were
> the issues not so dire."
> >
> > But if Trump can stick to his campaign promises, he will likely find
> reliable partners in Russian president Putin (in spite of the Democrats’
> lying portrayal of him ) and Chinese president Xi Jinping. Russia and China
> have little to gain from a confrontation with the US - or, even less, from
> war. Will president-elect Trump have the wisdom to realize this and use it
> for the benefit of America?
> >
> > AWARE and other anti-war groups around the US demand that President Trump
> > ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law,
> human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations;
> > ~ (2) end the wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone
> attacks;
> > ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700
> foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve);
> > ~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi
> Arabia; &
> > ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.
> > ~ (6) hand back the war powers to Congress.
> >
> > ~~~
> >         {This flyer is distributed by members and friends of the
> Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort}
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