[Peace-discuss] Guest Commentary by Carl in NG

[Boyle, Francis A]

Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations.
Carl: As you and Belden  know, Chomsky and I vigorously opposed every Reagan atrocity around the world, including and especially against the People of Color  in Central America while Killer Koh was facilitating Reagan to inflict all his  hideous atrocities from 1983 to 1985. I fully explained this to the Sick Puppies of the Illinois Nazis Law School Faculty in May of 2015, long before his speech here in October 2016.
In their Sick and Demented Eyes,  KillerKoh’s stints with Reagan and Obama fully  qualified him to give their  lecture on Being  a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. As you pointed out, there is no basic difference between the Dems, the NeoCons and the Repubs when it comes to warmongering and atrocities as proven by KillerKoh who worked for both Reagan and Obama. An Equal Opportunity, Bi-Partisan War Criminal for the American Empire as endorsed and promoted for emulation by the Sick Puppies of the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty. Fab.

Francis A. Boyle
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Subject: RE: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG

Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations.
That’s for sure. And ditto for the Sick Puppies on the Illinois Nazi Law Faculty. Fab.



Francis A. Boyle
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Subject: Re: Guest Commentary by Carl in NG

I agree with everything Pepe has to say, when being optimistic and hopeful. I do see some glitches specifically in relation to the strength of BRICS. There is certainly strength in the relationship between China, Russia and Iran, they stand steadfastly against US hegemony, and they are way ahead of the US in respect to business and infrastructure opportunities, with the OBOR. If we can prevent the US from creating more “Kiev” false flags in North Africa, and elsewhere in the world, or further militarizing East Europe, and the South China Sea, there maybe hope.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 08:45, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu<mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:

We’re all speculating on what direction the new administration’s foreign policy will take, while an extreme effort is being made by the Democrat/neocon war party to cozen or coerce it into more mass killing, in the style of the last several administrations.

Here’s one of the best weighing of the chances, I think (without completely agreeing with the prognosis):
<http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opinion/article/2064005/trump-will-try-smash-china-russia-iran-triangle-heres-why-he-will<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scmp.com_week-2Dasia_opinion_article_2064005_trump-2Dwill-2Dtry-2Dsmash-2Dchina-2Drussia-2Diran-2Dtriangle-2Dheres-2Dwhy-2Dhe-2Dwill&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=iioab8BLQ6IJxt-3gLhYzf1aAvTbGVgzPJj9W_0ugn0&m=1pxUsSHHiuHHSgEYPEXN0TH0DzmA21JlCQ8D6CZ4z2c&s=r8q71YwUh9d7sCN5zkaR-1NmMMqYU70wJnyQ9T3bqHw&e=>>.

The task of the anti-war movement is to protest the USG’s reverting to type.

Our local tv program, AWARE ON THE AIR, includes the following:

"Anti-war groups around the US and around the world demand that President Trump
~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, human rights, and respect for the sovereignty of other nations;
~ (2) end US wars (in the Mideast and elsewhere) and stop the drone attacks;
~ (3) cut US military spending by at least 50%; close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); and withdraw US 'special forces’ - death squads - active in more than 70% of the world’s countries;
~ (4) stop US support of human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and
~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament.”

Readers of this note, members and friends of AWARE, are invited to participate in AWARE ON THE AIR, recorded unrehearsed Tuesdays at noon at Urbana Public Television.

—CGE


On Jan 22, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:

I’m sorry Carl, I don’t agree with that title either. It assumes that all in the anti-war movement welcome the Trump administration. Not all of us trust he will do some of that which he promised in respect to “defunding Nato,” “making friends with Russia,” or killing TPP.  Even if he does those three things, his further provocations of China, are every bit as dangerous as those with Russia, it’s a mere tactic to drive a wedge between Russia and China, while chipping away at Iran.

His Cabinet appointments are frightening to say the least in respect to Healthcare, Energy, Education, Housing, etc, etc.

Further expansion of war in the Middle East, and North Africa, as well as expansion of capitalist corporate control is on the agenda no matter which of the two Party’s are in power.

Obama paved the way, for all of which I have just referred, but it’s not over. Our only hope is that “the people” are now awake, and perhaps will focus on that which is most serious to survival.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:44, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu<mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:

My original title was, “Why the anti-war movement welcomes the new administration.”

For more on that theme, see <https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201701191049765550-how-trump-presidency-will-play-out/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__sputniknews.com_columnists_201701191049765550-2Dhow-2Dtrump-2Dpresidency-2Dwill-2Dplay-2Dout_&d=DwMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=Ltqx9XbfSI0SqHx7g8GmHKHJOp_nW5TJh1dm27rrb4k&s=wdzRnnOSvZQE8QydClhXFVJ43HKr6TIHLplrwTqzOQs&e=>>.

—CGE


On Jan 22, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:

An excellent letter, which I posted on FB. I deliberately deleted the title that I assumed the NG created, because it gives the false impression that those of us in the anti-war movement, all support Trump. We don’t, we just didn’t support Hillary. Anyone in the anti-war movement supporting Hillary was supporting more of the same that Obama provided.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 07:16, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu<mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu>> wrote:

He {Obama} attacked eight countries (two more than George Bush), and conducted what one leading political commentator called "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations." He killed thousands of civilians with drones, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children.
A good letter by Carl today in NG. (Remember NG writes their own titles to letters.) We must now hold Trump’s feet to the fire across the board! I think Carl’s quote comes from Chomsky? In any event the Illinois Nazis Law Faculty fully supported and promoted and held  out for emulation by lawyers and this Campus and our Good Community:
"the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times — his drone assassinations."

The Illinois Nazis Law Faculty are just a GANG OF SICK PUPPIES!
Fab
Ed Norton Professor of Law
Carl Schmitt College of Law:
“Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!”


Francis A. Boyle
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Champaign IL 61820 USA
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217-244-1478 (fax)
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Subject: Guest Commentary: Why anti-war movement welcomes Trump

By C.G. ESTABROOK
The European anti-war group "No War No NATO" writes as follows:
"Demonstrating in Europe on 21 January, against the newly elected US President Donald Trump is tantamount to lending support to the Obama administration, which has transformed Europe into NATO's first line of attack, nuclear matters inclusive, against Russia.
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