From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 01:56:46 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 20:56:46 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EF0A8D4-37CB-4773-A740-7E04DDE4F772@illinois.edu> Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook via Peace Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace >; peace-discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > All are welcome. > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook via Peace Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace >; peace-discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > All are welcome. > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 14:46:58 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 14:46:58 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d.Oct. 28, 2016) Message-ID: The University of Illinois College of Law died on October 28, 2016. We were all there to administer the Last Rites. RIP. fab. Focus Politics The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can’t refuse! The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can’t refuse! | Print | E-mail Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan’s Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned—note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan’s Attorney General Edmund Meese in order “to honor” the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak “in honor” of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen’s Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled “We The People.” The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese’s Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below—always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus “right” to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens—though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of—and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. 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Based on a work at mwcnews.net. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available at mwcnews at gmail.com. [x] close Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned—note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan’s Attorney General Edmund Meese in order “to honor” the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak “in honor” of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen’s Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled “We The People.” The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese’s Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below—always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus “right” to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens—though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of—and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. ------------------------ Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. 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The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can’t refuse! | Print | E-mail Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan’s Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned—note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan’s Attorney General Edmund Meese in order “to honor” the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak “in honor” of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen’s Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled “We The People.” The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese’s Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below—always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus “right” to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens—though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of—and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. 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Based on a work at mwcnews.net. Permissions beyond the scope of this license may be available at mwcnews at gmail.com. [x] close Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned—note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan’s Attorney General Edmund Meese in order “to honor” the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak “in honor” of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen’s Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled “We The People.” The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese’s Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below—always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus “right” to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens—though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of—and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. ------------------------ Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. 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Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. ------------------------ Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace >; peace-discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > All are welcome. > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 16:06:07 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 16:06:07 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Message-ID: Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. ------------------------ Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G >; Karen Aram > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. ------------------------ Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace >; peace-discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace > wrote: > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > All are welcome. > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 16:25:41 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 11:25:41 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme > terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme > terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 16:25:41 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 11:25:41 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme > terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, Carl G ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme > terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 16:34:32 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 16:34:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 16:34:32 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 16:34:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 19:05:53 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 19:05:53 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brought to you by the Extreme Terrorists Against Muslims/Arabs/Asians Of Color on the Faculty of the Extreme Terrorist University of Illinois College of Law. Fab. "I Saw Pieces of Bodies": Afghan Civilians Describe Terrorization by US Drones Saturday, July 01, 2017 By Alex Edney-Browne, Truthout | News Analysis font size decrease font size increase font size Print Predator drone with Hellfire missiles on display at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC. Credit: Alex Edney-Browne Predator drone with Hellfire missiles on display at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC. (Photo: Alex Edney-Browne) The Trump administration's "drone policy," though early to characterize, is shaping up to be even more aggressive than the Obama administration's. There has been a significant increase in the number of drone attacks since Trump assumed office. In March 2017 parts of Yemen and Somalia -- where the United States is not formally at war -- were changed to "areas of active hostilities," making it easier for the US to launch drone attacks. Many more civilians are dying than the US government publicly admits. Through the Obama years and continuing with Trump, opponents of drone warfare have tended to highlight civilian casualties from drone attacks. They rightly argue that many more civilians are dying than the US government publicly admits. Another frequently raised concern is the secrecy of (and dubious legal basis for) the CIA's drone operations in "non-traditional battlefields" like Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya. These are all pressing issues and will continue to serve an important role in ethical debates about drone warfare. What is often neglected in these debates, however, is the use of drones by the US Air Force (not the CIA) in countries that the US is known to be active in: Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. The Trump administration is deepening its military engagement in these conflicts, and has committed to the deployment of nearly 4,000 soldiers to Afghanistan. This troop surge is going ahead even though a corresponding long-term strategy for the war in Afghanistan is not yet decided. It is important to consider how the use of drones is affecting civilians' lives and livelihoods in these countries, how those effects will manifest in the future, and the long-term implications of this for diplomacy and security. More Than Numbers: Afghan Civilians "Bongak" and "Bnngina" are the terms used to describe military drones in different regions of Afghanistan: Dari/Pashto onomatopoeias because of the "bnng" sound they make as they hover above. Afghanistan is the world's most drone-bombed country, yet is commonly forgotten about in drone criticism and monitoring efforts. Drone surveillance and attacks began in Afghanistan in 2001, yet the civilian casualty toll has only been monitored since 2015. The Bureau of Investigative Journalism, the organization conducting this monitoring, reports that accurate figures are almost impossible to obtain because of the insecurity and inaccessibility of attack locations. Quantitative data is not the best tool to convey how it feels to hear drones, to think about being spied on in your home or to fear a possible attack. This means there are limitations to relying on civilian casualty figures when discussing the ethics of drone warfare in Afghanistan. More importantly, and this applies to all areas attacked and surveilled by drones, the effects of drones are much more profound and wide-ranging than a focus on casualty numbers invites the public to consider. Casualty figures can even work to dehumanize victims: Quantitative data is not the best tool to convey how it feels to hear drones, to think about being spied on in your home or to fear a possible attack. Despite the obvious challenges, it is important that researchers and journalists attempt to uncover and communicate the emotional and psycho-social harms of drone warfare. The recent documentary National Bird, which interviews Afghan drone victims, is one such example of the brave journalism needed. Afghan Victims Detail Psycho-Social Harms As a Ph.D. researcher based in Australia, going to Afghanistan to speak with drone victims seemed impossible for myriad reasons, including the rigorous ethics approval and "high-risk travel destination" application my university required. Persistence paid off, however, and I had the (difficult, heart-wrenching, yet moving) experience of meeting with more than 20 Afghans who live in provinces surveilled by drones, were injured in drone attacks or have lost loved ones to drone attacks. It is their stories that I share here, though I have changed their names to protect their privacy. Despite researching drone warfare for almost four years, it was still surprising to learn about the extent of the effect on Afghan people's lives and livelihoods. From the psychological distress of living under drone surveillance, to the economic impact of a disability, to the sadness and stress experienced by the family of an injured person, the Bongak/Bnngina has damaged so many aspects of Afghan lives. Saifullah, a 39-year-old, was injured in a co-joint helicopter and drone attack on February 21, 2010. The attack -- reported in the media as "Uruzgan helicopter attack," though victims say they also saw the drone launch missiles -- took place in Kijran District, Daikundi Province (not Uruzgan). According to these civilians, Daikundi was (and still is) a safe, government-controlled province of Afghanistan. The attack killed 21 civilians and injured 14. Saifullah's younger brother, a 23-year-old, was killed from metal shrapnel piercing his head. Saifullah needed a below-knee amputation on his left leg and now lives with a prosthetic. The "Uruzgan Attack" is unique for a US air attack in Afghanistan because it received Western media attention (many don't), and the transcript of the drone crew was successfully obtained by the LA Times through a Freedom of Information Act request. It is the only publicly available drone transcript. Media reporting of the event reveals the civilian casualty count. Saifullah's testimony is much more horrifying: I heard everybody shouting and crying…. I saw pieces of bodies, even pieces like the size of this cup [points]. I lost my brother. My leg was broken and it was very painful. It is very difficult to see that situation with your own eyes, even for me to say it now. I hope that God does not show that kind of scene to anyone. Seven years after that dreadful day, Saifullah is still feeling the impact. He has nightmares that wake him in a sweat, he discontinued his university education because his memory and concentration have since weakened, and he sometimes avoids seeing his nephew because it is too upsetting to be reminded of his dead brother. Saifullah, a drone attack victim, lost his leg and the trauma to his head stopped him from concentrating at university. Credit: Alex Edney-Browne Saifullah, a drone attack victim, lost his leg and the trauma to his head stopped him from concentrating at university. (Photo: Alex Edney-Browne) Thankfully drones rarely fly over Daikundi province, so Saifullah only sees and/or hears them once or twice a year when he travels to other provinces. This is a relief, as he finds the sound "very disturbing," and fears there will be "another attack on me or some other innocent civilians." Meanwhile Abdul Qodus, a 45-year-old from Wardak Province, cannot escape being transported back to the day of the attack that killed his brother. The Bnngina (the name given to drones in Wardak) flies over regularly. "All day and all night it is there," he laments. "It is nonstop in our village." This did not seem to be an exaggeration: Abdul had even heard a drone the evening prior to our meeting. "All night I did not sleep more than two hours," he told me. Abdul's brother, a farmer, was killed in 2014. He was working alone -- taking goats up to the mountain -- when he was hit by a drone missile. "I heard the drone attack and I ran to the mountain. The first thing I saw was the pieces of my brother's body." "I heard the drone attack and I got out of the house, because I knew my brother had taken goats to the mountain and I thought maybe he has been attacked, and I ran to the mountain," he added. "The first thing I saw was the pieces of my brother's body." Abdul and his family's lives have changed drastically since the death of his brother. They are now scared of taking their animals to the mountain. "This affects our financial situation. Because we don't have much land, we need to use the grass at the mountain. Our lives are connected to our animals." Abdul described how the lives of the whole community had been disrupted by drone attacks on the mountain. Before Abdul's brother's death, four other civilians had also been killed on the mountain in a separate drone attack. "We are a mountain village," he told me. "We go to the mountain to collect wood for fuel, for fires. We need it for our cooking and to make bread. We collect mushrooms and mountain leeks. We get water from the mountain, too, because there is a spring there. We use it to irrigate our farms." Villagers are worried that the drones' surveillance cameras will mistake their innocent behavior for something nefarious. Many other rural Afghans echoed that the ill effects of drones were felt not just at the individual and familial level, but also by the wider community. Villagers are worried that the drones' surveillance cameras will mistake their innocent behavior for something nefarious. "When there is a jirga [local meeting] in the village and a drone goes around, we are afraid because we think the meeting will be attacked," Shanaky Gul, a 25-year-old from Wardak Province, said. Congregations of Afghan civilians have been targeted in the past. A study by Stanford Law School/NYU Legal Clinic, "Living Under Drones," likewise found that civilians in Waziristan, Pakistan, had stopped participating in communal and social activities because they feared gathering in groups. Long-Term Strategy? It is hard to fathom the long-term effects of drone-induced fear on the psycho-social health of Afghan people and their communities. It is clear, however, that the task of diplomacy and improving security is made more difficult as a result. An overwhelming majority of the Afghan drone victims interviewed voiced unfavorable views about the United States and its allies. How will Afghanistan's next generation of community leaders and politicians, who have grown up living under the buzz of drones, feel towards the nations responsible for operating them? A troop surge will not improve this diplomatic impasse. Ahmad, a 21-year-old elementary school teacher from Wardak Province, put it this way: "We don't want to have relations with the militaries of foreign countries. We don't want it and we don't like them. The ordinary people like you -- we like them and we want to have connections with them." Meanwhile, President Trump has repeatedly declared that he will "destroy radical Islamic terrorism," but has consistently shown that he does not understand the conditions in which terrorism thrives, overlooking the fact that the Taliban has capitalized on anger caused by drones in its propaganda material and the madrassas (schools) it funds in Eastern Afghanistan. "We cannot care as well for our farms as before," Abdul told me. "When we go, we go with fear, we go quickly." The psycho-social toll of drone warfare and its knock-on effects for cross-cultural relations and security are missed by most drone warfare criticism. As I witnessed in Afghanistan, the wide-ranging and long-term negative impact of drone warfare go far beyond the civilian casualty statistics most often cited, affecting the lives of all who live in the areas patrolled by drones. "We cannot care as well for our farms as before," Abdul told me. "When we go, we go with fear, we go quickly." Copyright, Truthout. May not be reprinted without permission. Alex Edney-Browne Alex Edney-Browne is a Ph.D. researcher in international relations at the University of Melbourne, Australia. Her thesis investigates people's lived experiences of drone warfare, both Afghan civilians and US Air Force drone personnel. Follow her on Twitter: @AlexEdneyBrowne. Related Stories Drone Victims Tell Empty US House Their Story; Is America Listening? 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 19:05:53 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 19:05:53 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brought to you by the Extreme Terrorists Against Muslims/Arabs/Asians Of Color on the Faculty of the Extreme Terrorist University of Illinois College of Law. Fab. "I Saw Pieces of Bodies": Afghan Civilians Describe Terrorization by US Drones Saturday, July 01, 2017 By Alex Edney-Browne, Truthout | News Analysis font size decrease font size increase font size Print Predator drone with Hellfire missiles on display at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC. Credit: Alex Edney-Browne Predator drone with Hellfire missiles on display at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC. (Photo: Alex Edney-Browne) The Trump administration's "drone policy," though early to characterize, is shaping up to be even more aggressive than the Obama administration's. There has been a significant increase in the number of drone attacks since Trump assumed office. In March 2017 parts of Yemen and Somalia -- where the United States is not formally at war -- were changed to "areas of active hostilities," making it easier for the US to launch drone attacks. Many more civilians are dying than the US government publicly admits. Through the Obama years and continuing with Trump, opponents of drone warfare have tended to highlight civilian casualties from drone attacks. They rightly argue that many more civilians are dying than the US government publicly admits. Another frequently raised concern is the secrecy of (and dubious legal basis for) the CIA's drone operations in "non-traditional battlefields" like Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya. These are all pressing issues and will continue to serve an important role in ethical debates about drone warfare. What is often neglected in these debates, however, is the use of drones by the US Air Force (not the CIA) in countries that the US is known to be active in: Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. The Trump administration is deepening its military engagement in these conflicts, and has committed to the deployment of nearly 4,000 soldiers to Afghanistan. This troop surge is going ahead even though a corresponding long-term strategy for the war in Afghanistan is not yet decided. It is important to consider how the use of drones is affecting civilians' lives and livelihoods in these countries, how those effects will manifest in the future, and the long-term implications of this for diplomacy and security. More Than Numbers: Afghan Civilians "Bongak" and "Bnngina" are the terms used to describe military drones in different regions of Afghanistan: Dari/Pashto onomatopoeias because of the "bnng" sound they make as they hover above. Afghanistan is the world's most drone-bombed country, yet is commonly forgotten about in drone criticism and monitoring efforts. Drone surveillance and attacks began in Afghanistan in 2001, yet the civilian casualty toll has only been monitored since 2015. The Bureau of Investigative Journalism, the organization conducting this monitoring, reports that accurate figures are almost impossible to obtain because of the insecurity and inaccessibility of attack locations. Quantitative data is not the best tool to convey how it feels to hear drones, to think about being spied on in your home or to fear a possible attack. This means there are limitations to relying on civilian casualty figures when discussing the ethics of drone warfare in Afghanistan. More importantly, and this applies to all areas attacked and surveilled by drones, the effects of drones are much more profound and wide-ranging than a focus on casualty numbers invites the public to consider. Casualty figures can even work to dehumanize victims: Quantitative data is not the best tool to convey how it feels to hear drones, to think about being spied on in your home or to fear a possible attack. Despite the obvious challenges, it is important that researchers and journalists attempt to uncover and communicate the emotional and psycho-social harms of drone warfare. The recent documentary National Bird, which interviews Afghan drone victims, is one such example of the brave journalism needed. Afghan Victims Detail Psycho-Social Harms As a Ph.D. researcher based in Australia, going to Afghanistan to speak with drone victims seemed impossible for myriad reasons, including the rigorous ethics approval and "high-risk travel destination" application my university required. Persistence paid off, however, and I had the (difficult, heart-wrenching, yet moving) experience of meeting with more than 20 Afghans who live in provinces surveilled by drones, were injured in drone attacks or have lost loved ones to drone attacks. It is their stories that I share here, though I have changed their names to protect their privacy. Despite researching drone warfare for almost four years, it was still surprising to learn about the extent of the effect on Afghan people's lives and livelihoods. From the psychological distress of living under drone surveillance, to the economic impact of a disability, to the sadness and stress experienced by the family of an injured person, the Bongak/Bnngina has damaged so many aspects of Afghan lives. Saifullah, a 39-year-old, was injured in a co-joint helicopter and drone attack on February 21, 2010. The attack -- reported in the media as "Uruzgan helicopter attack," though victims say they also saw the drone launch missiles -- took place in Kijran District, Daikundi Province (not Uruzgan). According to these civilians, Daikundi was (and still is) a safe, government-controlled province of Afghanistan. The attack killed 21 civilians and injured 14. Saifullah's younger brother, a 23-year-old, was killed from metal shrapnel piercing his head. Saifullah needed a below-knee amputation on his left leg and now lives with a prosthetic. The "Uruzgan Attack" is unique for a US air attack in Afghanistan because it received Western media attention (many don't), and the transcript of the drone crew was successfully obtained by the LA Times through a Freedom of Information Act request. It is the only publicly available drone transcript. Media reporting of the event reveals the civilian casualty count. Saifullah's testimony is much more horrifying: I heard everybody shouting and crying…. I saw pieces of bodies, even pieces like the size of this cup [points]. I lost my brother. My leg was broken and it was very painful. It is very difficult to see that situation with your own eyes, even for me to say it now. I hope that God does not show that kind of scene to anyone. Seven years after that dreadful day, Saifullah is still feeling the impact. He has nightmares that wake him in a sweat, he discontinued his university education because his memory and concentration have since weakened, and he sometimes avoids seeing his nephew because it is too upsetting to be reminded of his dead brother. Saifullah, a drone attack victim, lost his leg and the trauma to his head stopped him from concentrating at university. Credit: Alex Edney-Browne Saifullah, a drone attack victim, lost his leg and the trauma to his head stopped him from concentrating at university. (Photo: Alex Edney-Browne) Thankfully drones rarely fly over Daikundi province, so Saifullah only sees and/or hears them once or twice a year when he travels to other provinces. This is a relief, as he finds the sound "very disturbing," and fears there will be "another attack on me or some other innocent civilians." Meanwhile Abdul Qodus, a 45-year-old from Wardak Province, cannot escape being transported back to the day of the attack that killed his brother. The Bnngina (the name given to drones in Wardak) flies over regularly. "All day and all night it is there," he laments. "It is nonstop in our village." This did not seem to be an exaggeration: Abdul had even heard a drone the evening prior to our meeting. "All night I did not sleep more than two hours," he told me. Abdul's brother, a farmer, was killed in 2014. He was working alone -- taking goats up to the mountain -- when he was hit by a drone missile. "I heard the drone attack and I ran to the mountain. The first thing I saw was the pieces of my brother's body." "I heard the drone attack and I got out of the house, because I knew my brother had taken goats to the mountain and I thought maybe he has been attacked, and I ran to the mountain," he added. "The first thing I saw was the pieces of my brother's body." Abdul and his family's lives have changed drastically since the death of his brother. They are now scared of taking their animals to the mountain. "This affects our financial situation. Because we don't have much land, we need to use the grass at the mountain. Our lives are connected to our animals." Abdul described how the lives of the whole community had been disrupted by drone attacks on the mountain. Before Abdul's brother's death, four other civilians had also been killed on the mountain in a separate drone attack. "We are a mountain village," he told me. "We go to the mountain to collect wood for fuel, for fires. We need it for our cooking and to make bread. We collect mushrooms and mountain leeks. We get water from the mountain, too, because there is a spring there. We use it to irrigate our farms." Villagers are worried that the drones' surveillance cameras will mistake their innocent behavior for something nefarious. Many other rural Afghans echoed that the ill effects of drones were felt not just at the individual and familial level, but also by the wider community. Villagers are worried that the drones' surveillance cameras will mistake their innocent behavior for something nefarious. "When there is a jirga [local meeting] in the village and a drone goes around, we are afraid because we think the meeting will be attacked," Shanaky Gul, a 25-year-old from Wardak Province, said. Congregations of Afghan civilians have been targeted in the past. A study by Stanford Law School/NYU Legal Clinic, "Living Under Drones," likewise found that civilians in Waziristan, Pakistan, had stopped participating in communal and social activities because they feared gathering in groups. Long-Term Strategy? It is hard to fathom the long-term effects of drone-induced fear on the psycho-social health of Afghan people and their communities. It is clear, however, that the task of diplomacy and improving security is made more difficult as a result. An overwhelming majority of the Afghan drone victims interviewed voiced unfavorable views about the United States and its allies. How will Afghanistan's next generation of community leaders and politicians, who have grown up living under the buzz of drones, feel towards the nations responsible for operating them? A troop surge will not improve this diplomatic impasse. Ahmad, a 21-year-old elementary school teacher from Wardak Province, put it this way: "We don't want to have relations with the militaries of foreign countries. We don't want it and we don't like them. The ordinary people like you -- we like them and we want to have connections with them." Meanwhile, President Trump has repeatedly declared that he will "destroy radical Islamic terrorism," but has consistently shown that he does not understand the conditions in which terrorism thrives, overlooking the fact that the Taliban has capitalized on anger caused by drones in its propaganda material and the madrassas (schools) it funds in Eastern Afghanistan. "We cannot care as well for our farms as before," Abdul told me. "When we go, we go with fear, we go quickly." The psycho-social toll of drone warfare and its knock-on effects for cross-cultural relations and security are missed by most drone warfare criticism. As I witnessed in Afghanistan, the wide-ranging and long-term negative impact of drone warfare go far beyond the civilian casualty statistics most often cited, affecting the lives of all who live in the areas patrolled by drones. "We cannot care as well for our farms as before," Abdul told me. "When we go, we go with fear, we go quickly." Copyright, Truthout. May not be reprinted without permission. Alex Edney-Browne Alex Edney-Browne is a Ph.D. researcher in international relations at the University of Melbourne, Australia. Her thesis investigates people's lived experiences of drone warfare, both Afghan civilians and US Air Force drone personnel. Follow her on Twitter: @AlexEdneyBrowne. Related Stories Drone Victims Tell Empty US House Their Story; Is America Listening? 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 21:26:43 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 21:26:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In his classic book Pirates and Emperors: Terrorism In the Real World (about 1986) Chomsky made his basic distinction between Wholesale Terrorists and Retail Terrorists. The UI College of Law Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 1 21:26:43 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 21:26:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In his classic book Pirates and Emperors: Terrorism In the Real World (about 1986) Chomsky made his basic distinction between Wholesale Terrorists and Retail Terrorists. The UI College of Law Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sun Jul 2 04:16:06 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 04:16:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Noam Chomsky: The Republican Party Is the 'Most Dangerous Organization in World History' | Alternet Message-ID: <948080E8-EA04-41C0-9F1F-E87AA9D4F9DF@illinois.edu> http://www.alternet.org/books/requiem-american-dream-chomsky-trump-republican-dangerous#.WVhxbzmaVFg.email Noam Chomsky: The Republican Party Is the 'Most Dangerous Organization in World History' [cid:001FE00C-42B2-4A84-B6C5-7E6958498D6C] Photo Credit: Augusto Starita / Ministerio de Cultura de la Nación (Flickr CC) The following is an excerpt from the new book Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power by Noam Chomsky and edited by Peter Hutchison, Kelly Nyks, and Jared P. Scott (Seven Stories Press, 2017): One of the leading political scientists, Martin Gilens, has done important studies of the relationship between public attitudes and public policy, based on polling data. It’s a pretty straightforward thing to study—policy you can see, and public opinion you know from extensive polling. In one study, together with another fine political scientist, Benjamin Page, Gilens took about 1,700 policy decisions, and compared them with public attitudes and business interests. What they show, I think convincingly, is that policy is uncorrelated with public attitudes, and closely correlated with corporate interests. Elsewhere he showed that about 70 percent of the population has no influence on policy—they might as well be in some other country. And as you go up the income and wealth level, the impact on public policy is greater—the rich essentially get what they want. Polling data is not refined enough for him to look beyond the top 10 percent, which is kind of misleading because the real concentration of power is in a fraction of 1 percent. But if the study was carried up to there, it’s pretty clear what you’d find: they get exactly what they want, because they’re basically running the place. The fact that policy doesn’t correspond to public interest shouldn’t come as a big surprise. This has been going on for a long time. Government policy is designed to implement state power and the power of dominant elements within the society. Here, it means mainly the corporate sector. The welfare of the population is secondary, and often not cared for at all. And the population knows it. That’s why you have this tremendous antagonism toward institutions—all institutions. So, support of Congress is often in the single digits; the presidency is disliked; corporations are disliked; banks are hated—it extends all over. Even science is disliked—“why should we believe them?” Unfocused Anger There’s popular mobilization and activism, but in very self-destructive directions. It’s taking the form of unfocused anger—hatred, attacks on one another and on vulnerable targets. Really irrational attitudes—people mobilizing against their own interests, literally against their own interests. Supporting political figures whose goal is to harm them as much as possible. We’re seeing this right in front of us—you look at the television and the Internet, you see it every day. That’s what happens in cases like this. It is corrosive of social relations, but that’s the point. The point is to make people hate and fear each other, look out only for themselves, and not do anything for anyone else. So take Donald Trump. For many years, I have been writing and speaking about the danger of the rise of an honest and charismatic ideologue in the United States, someone who could exploit the fear and anger that has long been boiling in much of the society, and who could direct it away from the actual agents of malaise to vulnerable targets. The dangers, however, have been real for many years, perhaps even more so in the light of the forces that Trump has unleashed, even though Trump himself does not fit the image of honest ideologue. He seems to have very little of a considered ideology apart from me and my friends. He got huge support from people who are angry at everything. Every time Trump makes a nasty comment about whoever, his popularity goes up. Because it is based on hate and fear. The phenomenon that we are seeing here is “generalized rage.” Mostly white, working-class, lower-middle-class people, who have been cast by the wayside during the neoliberalism period. They've lived through a generation of stagnation and decline. And a decline in the functioning of democracy. Even their own elected representatives barely reflect their interests and concerns. Everything has been taken away from them. There is no economic growth for them, there is for other people. The institutions are all against them. They have serious contempt for institutions, especially Congress. They have a deep concern that they are losing their country because a “generalized they” are taking it away from them. That kind of scapegoating of those who are even more vulnerable and oppressed, along with illusions about how they are being coddled by the “liberal elites,” is all too familiar, along with the often bitter outcomes. And it’s important to bear in mind that the genuine fears and concerns can be addressed by serious and constructive policies. Many of the Trump supporters voted for Obama in 2008, believing the message of “hope and change.” They saw little of either, and now in their disillusionment they are seduced by a con man offering a different message of hope and change—which could lead to a very ugly reaction when the imagery collapses. But the outcomes could be far more hopeful if there is a real and meaningful program that genuinely inspires hope and does promise seriously to bring about badly needed change. The response instead is generalized anger at everything. One place you see it strikingly is on April 15. April 15 is kind of a measure—the day you pay your taxes—of how democratic the society is. If a society is really democratic, April 15 should be a day of celebration. It’s a day when the population gets together to decide to fund the programs and activities that they have formulated and agreed upon. What could be better than that? You should celebrate it. It’s not the way it is in the United States. It’s a day of mourning. It’s a day in which some alien power that has nothing to do with you is coming down to steal your hard-earned money—and you do everything you can to keep them from doing it. That’s a measure of the extent to which, at least in popular consciousness, democracy is actually functioning. Not a very attractive picture. The tendencies that we’ve been describing within American society, unless reversed, will create an extremely ugly society. A society that’s based on Adam Smith’s vile maxim, “All for ourselves, nothing for anyone else,” the New Spirit of the Age, “gain wealth, forgetting all but self,” a society in which normal human instincts and emotions of sympathy, solidarity, mutual support, in which they’re driven out. That’s a society so ugly I don’t even know who’d want to live in it. I wouldn’t want my children to. If a society is based on control by private wealth, it will reflect those values—values of greed and the desire to maximize personal gain at the expense of others. Now, a small society based on that principle is ugly, but it can survive. A global society based on that principle is headed for massive destruction. The Survival of the Species I think the future looks pretty grim. I mean, we are facing really serious problems. There’s one thing that shouldn’t be ignored—we’re in a stage of history for the first time ever where we’re facing literal questions of species survival. Can the species survive, at least in any decent form? That’s a real problem. On November 8, 2016, the most powerful country in world history, which will set its stamp on what comes next, had an election. The outcome placed total control of the government—executive, Congress, the Supreme Court—in the hands of the Republican Party, which has become the most dangerous organization in world history. Apart from the last phrase, all of this is uncontroversial. The last phrase may seem outlandish, even outrageous. But is it? The facts suggest otherwise. The party is dedicated to racing as rapidly as possible to destruction of organized human life. There is no historical precedent for such a stand. Is this an exaggeration? Consider what we have just been witnessing. The winning candidate calls for rapid increase in use of fossil fuels, including coal; dismantling of regulations; rejection of help to developing countries that are seeking to move to sustainable energy; and in general, racing to the cliff as fast as possible. And there have already been direct consequences. The COP21 Paris negotiations on climate change aimed for a verifiable treaty, but had to settle for verbal commitments because the Republican Congress would not accept any binding commitments. The follow-up COP22 Marrakech conference aimed to fill in the gaps. It opened on November 7, 2016. On November 8, election day, the World Meteorological Organization presented a dire and ominous report on the current state of environmental destruction. As the results of the election came in, the conference turned to the question of whether the whole process could continue with the most powerful country withdrawing from it and seeking to undermine it. The conference ended with no issue—and an astonishing spectacle. The leader in upholding the hopes for decent survival was China! And the leading wrecker, in virtual isolation, was “the leader of the Free World.” One can, again, hardly find words to capture this spectacle. It is no less difficult to find words to capture the utterly astonishing fact that in all the massive coverage of the electoral extravaganza, none of this receives more than passing mention. At least I am at a loss to find appropriate words. We are heading, eyes open, toward a world in which our grandchildren may not even be able to survive. We’re heading toward environmental disaster, and not just heading toward it, but rushing toward it. The US is in the lead of accelerating these dangers under the pressure of business for in large part institutional reasons. Just take a look at the headlines. There was a report on the front page of the New York Times, a revealing report on the measurements of the Arctic ice cap. Well, it turns out the melting was far beyond anything that had been predicted by sophisticated computer models, and the melting of the Arctic ice cap has very substantial effects on the climate altogether. It’s an escalating process because as the ice cap melts, less of the sun’s energy is reflected, and more comes into the atmosphere, creating an escalating, nonlinear process that gets out of control. The article also reported the reactions of governments and corporations. Their reaction is enthusiasm. We can now accelerate the process because new areas are open for digging and extraction of fossil fuels, so we can make it worse. That’s great. This is a death sentence for our descendants. Fine, let’s accelerate it—hundreds of millions of people in Bangladesh are gonna be driven from their homes by rising sea level in the not-distant future, with consequences for the rest of us too. This demonstrates either a remarkable lack of concern for our own grandchildren and others like them, or else an equally remarkable inability to see what’s before our own eyes. There’s another major threat to survival that’s been hanging over human life for more than seventy years—and that’s nuclear war. And that’s increasing. Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein, around 1955, issued a passionate plea to the people of the world to recognize that they have a choice that is stark and unavoidable: they must decide—all of mankind must decide—to renounce war, or to self-destruct. And we have come very close to self-destruction a number of times. The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists has what it calls a “Doomsday Clock.” It started in 1947, right after the atom bomb was used. The clock measures the distance that we are from midnight—midnight means termination. Just two years ago the clock was moved two minutes closer to midnight—to three minutes before midnight. The reason is that the threat of nuclear war and the threat of environmental catastrophe are increasing. Policy makers are amplifying them, that’s the future that we’re not only creating but accelerating. This has been an excerpt from the new book Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power by Noam Chomsky and edited by Peter Hutchison, Kelly Nyks, and Jared P. Scott (Seven Stories Press, 2017). [cid:B4324EB1-2005-44B3-9993-1729FF62776D] Noam Chomsky is institute professor emeritus in the Department of Linguistics and Philosophy at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. His most recent books are Who Rules the World? (Metropolitan Books, 2016) and Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power (Seven Stories Press, 2017). His website is www.chomsky.info. Peter Hutchison is an NYC-based filmmaker, educator and activist. His documentary work includes "What Would Jesus Buy?" with producing partner Morgan Spurlock; "Split: A Divided America"; and "Beyond Activism: Four Decades of Social Justice." He is a cocreator/coeditor of Noam Chomsky's Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power. Kelly Nyks is an award-winning writer/director of documentary films including "The Age of Consequences," "Disobedience," "Disruption," "Do the Math," "Split: A Divided America," and "Split: A Deeper Divide." He is a cocreator/coeditor of Noam Chomsky's Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power. Jared P. Scott is an award-winning writer, director and producer whose films include "The Age of Consequences," "Disruption," "Do the Math," and "The Artificial Leaf." His films have screened at Tribeca, Hot Docs, Sheffield, and IDFA, and have aired/streamed on Netflix, Starz, PBS, and Al Jazeera. He is a cocreator/coeditor of Noam Chomsky's Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 16796246442_e3da09d30f_z_0.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 9175 bytes Desc: 16796246442_e3da09d30f_z_0.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To stop Reagan’s contra terrorist mercenary bands Tormenting, torturing, murdering, raping, pillaging, devastating Nicaragua’s long-suffering people Under a contra death threat for all Americans Subjected to CIA biowarfare by Hemorrhagic Dengue Fever For which there is no cure The three of us marched on our way anyway Instead of us lawyers Reagan and his contras murdered Ben Linder A Noble Engineer Bringing fresh water to the poor campesinos in the countryside Ripping Ben from his Family’s arms Ben was a Martyr for Peace! Reagan and his contras got Ben Linder instead of me I have led a full life But not so he Struck down in his young manhood By a gang of American criminals and their terrorists So I write this poem in Honor of Ben May Ben’s Name live forever! I know his Soul already does R.I.P.: Ben Linder Instead of me FAB Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 4:27 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In his classic book Pirates and Emperors: Terrorism In the Real World (about 1986) Chomsky made his basic distinction between Wholesale Terrorists and Retail Terrorists. The UI College of Law Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 2 11:26:32 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 11:26:32 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) References: Message-ID: While Chomsky was writing his book about it all "Pirate and Emperors: Terrorism in the Real World," Ramsey, Len and I went right down into the midst of it all to help out the Nicaraguans. Meanwhile Killer Koh was working for Reagan. Reagan/KillerKoh's contras later murdered Ben Linder. The Law School Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Ben Linder Instead of Me Down to Nicaragua in 1985 With my Friends and Comrades-in-Arms Ramsey Clark and Len Weinglass (R.I.P.) To stop Reagan’s contra terrorist mercenary bands Tormenting, torturing, murdering, raping, pillaging, devastating Nicaragua’s long-suffering people Under a contra death threat for all Americans Subjected to CIA biowarfare by Hemorrhagic Dengue Fever For which there is no cure The three of us marched on our way anyway Instead of us lawyers Reagan and his contras murdered Ben Linder A Noble Engineer Bringing fresh water to the poor campesinos in the countryside Ripping Ben from his Family’s arms Ben was a Martyr for Peace! Reagan and his contras got Ben Linder instead of me I have led a full life But not so he Struck down in his young manhood By a gang of American criminals and their terrorists So I write this poem in Honor of Ben May Ben’s Name live forever! I know his Soul already does R.I.P.: Ben Linder Instead of me FAB Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 4:27 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In his classic book Pirates and Emperors: Terrorism In the Real World (about 1986) Chomsky made his basic distinction between Wholesale Terrorists and Retail Terrorists. The UI College of Law Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 2 11:47:02 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 11:47:02 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) References: Message-ID: And while I am mourning Ben Linder, I am now going to mourn Mr. Alwaki's 16 year old son whom Killer Koh murdered for Obama and Clinton. Killer Koh is an American Baby Killer too! The Law School Faculty are Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 6:27 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) While Chomsky was writing his book about it all "Pirate and Emperors: Terrorism in the Real World," Ramsey, Len and I went right down into the midst of it all to help out the Nicaraguans. Meanwhile Killer Koh was working for Reagan. Reagan/KillerKoh's contras later murdered Ben Linder. The Law School Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Ben Linder Instead of Me Down to Nicaragua in 1985 With my Friends and Comrades-in-Arms Ramsey Clark and Len Weinglass (R.I.P.) To stop Reagan’s contra terrorist mercenary bands Tormenting, torturing, murdering, raping, pillaging, devastating Nicaragua’s long-suffering people Under a contra death threat for all Americans Subjected to CIA biowarfare by Hemorrhagic Dengue Fever For which there is no cure The three of us marched on our way anyway Instead of us lawyers Reagan and his contras murdered Ben Linder A Noble Engineer Bringing fresh water to the poor campesinos in the countryside Ripping Ben from his Family’s arms Ben was a Martyr for Peace! Reagan and his contras got Ben Linder instead of me I have led a full life But not so he Struck down in his young manhood By a gang of American criminals and their terrorists So I write this poem in Honor of Ben May Ben’s Name live forever! I know his Soul already does R.I.P.: Ben Linder Instead of me FAB Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 4:27 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In his classic book Pirates and Emperors: Terrorism In the Real World (about 1986) Chomsky made his basic distinction between Wholesale Terrorists and Retail Terrorists. The UI College of Law Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 2 11:47:02 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 11:47:02 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) References: Message-ID: And while I am mourning Ben Linder, I am now going to mourn Mr. Alwaki's 16 year old son whom Killer Koh murdered for Obama and Clinton. Killer Koh is an American Baby Killer too! The Law School Faculty are Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 6:27 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) While Chomsky was writing his book about it all "Pirate and Emperors: Terrorism in the Real World," Ramsey, Len and I went right down into the midst of it all to help out the Nicaraguans. Meanwhile Killer Koh was working for Reagan. Reagan/KillerKoh's contras later murdered Ben Linder. The Law School Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Ben Linder Instead of Me Down to Nicaragua in 1985 With my Friends and Comrades-in-Arms Ramsey Clark and Len Weinglass (R.I.P.) To stop Reagan’s contra terrorist mercenary bands Tormenting, torturing, murdering, raping, pillaging, devastating Nicaragua’s long-suffering people Under a contra death threat for all Americans Subjected to CIA biowarfare by Hemorrhagic Dengue Fever For which there is no cure The three of us marched on our way anyway Instead of us lawyers Reagan and his contras murdered Ben Linder A Noble Engineer Bringing fresh water to the poor campesinos in the countryside Ripping Ben from his Family’s arms Ben was a Martyr for Peace! Reagan and his contras got Ben Linder instead of me I have led a full life But not so he Struck down in his young manhood By a gang of American criminals and their terrorists So I write this poem in Honor of Ben May Ben’s Name live forever! I know his Soul already does R.I.P.: Ben Linder Instead of me FAB Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 4:27 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In his classic book Pirates and Emperors: Terrorism In the Real World (about 1986) Chomsky made his basic distinction between Wholesale Terrorists and Retail Terrorists. The UI College of Law Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 2 12:18:33 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 12:18:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When our one week trip to Nicaragua was over, I had to get back here in order to teach my law students. Len Weinglass told me he was going to go up to Guatemala on his own to check out the war and human rights situation there. At the time Reagan/KillerKoh were exterminating 250,000 Guatemalans, most of whom were Mayan Indians--outright genocide. What Undaunting Courage by Len! The Law School Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 6:27 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) While Chomsky was writing his book about it all "Pirate and Emperors: Terrorism in the Real World," Ramsey, Len and I went right down into the midst of it all to help out the Nicaraguans. Meanwhile Killer Koh was working for Reagan. Reagan/KillerKoh's contras later murdered Ben Linder. The Law School Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Ben Linder Instead of Me Down to Nicaragua in 1985 With my Friends and Comrades-in-Arms Ramsey Clark and Len Weinglass (R.I.P.) To stop Reagan’s contra terrorist mercenary bands Tormenting, torturing, murdering, raping, pillaging, devastating Nicaragua’s long-suffering people Under a contra death threat for all Americans Subjected to CIA biowarfare by Hemorrhagic Dengue Fever For which there is no cure The three of us marched on our way anyway Instead of us lawyers Reagan and his contras murdered Ben Linder A Noble Engineer Bringing fresh water to the poor campesinos in the countryside Ripping Ben from his Family’s arms Ben was a Martyr for Peace! Reagan and his contras got Ben Linder instead of me I have led a full life But not so he Struck down in his young manhood By a gang of American criminals and their terrorists So I write this poem in Honor of Ben May Ben’s Name live forever! I know his Soul already does R.I.P.: Ben Linder Instead of me FAB Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 4:27 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In his classic book Pirates and Emperors: Terrorism In the Real World (about 1986) Chomsky made his basic distinction between Wholesale Terrorists and Retail Terrorists. The UI College of Law Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 2 12:18:33 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 12:18:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When our one week trip to Nicaragua was over, I had to get back here in order to teach my law students. Len Weinglass told me he was going to go up to Guatemala on his own to check out the war and human rights situation there. At the time Reagan/KillerKoh were exterminating 250,000 Guatemalans, most of whom were Mayan Indians--outright genocide. What Undaunting Courage by Len! The Law School Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 6:27 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) While Chomsky was writing his book about it all "Pirate and Emperors: Terrorism in the Real World," Ramsey, Len and I went right down into the midst of it all to help out the Nicaraguans. Meanwhile Killer Koh was working for Reagan. Reagan/KillerKoh's contras later murdered Ben Linder. The Law School Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Ben Linder Instead of Me Down to Nicaragua in 1985 With my Friends and Comrades-in-Arms Ramsey Clark and Len Weinglass (R.I.P.) To stop Reagan’s contra terrorist mercenary bands Tormenting, torturing, murdering, raping, pillaging, devastating Nicaragua’s long-suffering people Under a contra death threat for all Americans Subjected to CIA biowarfare by Hemorrhagic Dengue Fever For which there is no cure The three of us marched on our way anyway Instead of us lawyers Reagan and his contras murdered Ben Linder A Noble Engineer Bringing fresh water to the poor campesinos in the countryside Ripping Ben from his Family’s arms Ben was a Martyr for Peace! Reagan and his contras got Ben Linder instead of me I have led a full life But not so he Struck down in his young manhood By a gang of American criminals and their terrorists So I write this poem in Honor of Ben May Ben’s Name live forever! I know his Soul already does R.I.P.: Ben Linder Instead of me FAB Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 4:27 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) In his classic book Pirates and Emperors: Terrorism In the Real World (about 1986) Chomsky made his basic distinction between Wholesale Terrorists and Retail Terrorists. The UI College of Law Faculty are the Wholesale Terrorists. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:35 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Chomsky takes at aim at Obama's drone program, which he describes as "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times." It "target[s] people suspected of perhaps intending to harm us some day, and any unfortunates who happen to be nearby," he writes. ___________________ Then it's nice to know that Chomsky would have agreed with us when we Administered the Last Rites on October 28, 2016 to the Extreme Terrorists against Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color on the Faculty of the now Defunct, Debased, Debunked and Deceased University of Illinois College of Law. RIP. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2017 11:26 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (d. Oct. 28, 2016) Yes: . > On Jul 1, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Carl: You can correct me if I am wrong. But is this quote from Chomsky? Fab. > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:53 PM > To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; Estabrook, > Carl G ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: FW: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 9:50 PM > To: Estabrook, Carl G ; Karen Aram > > Cc: peace-discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > …particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist > campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, > including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. > ------------------------ > Courtesy of Killer Koh and the University of Illinois College of Law Faculty. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Friday, June 30, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; peace-discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Anti-war Demonstration > > Attached please find the flyer we’ll be distributing: > > > > > > On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Karen Aram via Peace wrote: > > > > For those who hate war, and want to do “something” to protest the killing: > > > > Please join AWARE for our monthly demonstration downtown Champaign, > > > > Saturday July 1st. at (2:00pm - 4:00pm) on the corners of Church and Neil Streets. > > > > We have signs available, or bring your own. > > > > All are welcome. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Peace mailing list > > Peace at lists.chambana.net > > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 12:44:26 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 12:44:26 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Noam Chomsky: The Republican Party Is the 'Most Dangerous Organization in World History' | Alternet In-Reply-To: <948080E8-EA04-41C0-9F1F-E87AA9D4F9DF@illinois.edu> References: <948080E8-EA04-41C0-9F1F-E87AA9D4F9DF@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I highly recommend, the Chris Hedges interview yesterday on RT with Chomsky, where the focus is on “Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power.” The 10 Principles explains the whole system, very comprehensively and briefly. Unfortunately there is no script at this point. http://www.alternet.org/books/requiem-american-dream-chomsky-trump-republican-dangerous#.WVhxbzmaVFg.email Noam Chomsky: The Republican Party Is the 'Most Dangerous Organization in World History' <16796246442_e3da09d30f_z_0.jpg> Photo Credit: Augusto Starita / Ministerio de Cultura de la Nación (Flickr CC) The following is an excerpt from the new book Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power by Noam Chomsky and edited by Peter Hutchison, Kelly Nyks, and Jared P. Scott (Seven Stories Press, 2017): One of the leading political scientists, Martin Gilens, has done important studies of the relationship between public attitudes and public policy, based on polling data. It’s a pretty straightforward thing to study—policy you can see, and public opinion you know from extensive polling. In one study, together with another fine political scientist, Benjamin Page, Gilens took about 1,700 policy decisions, and compared them with public attitudes and business interests. What they show, I think convincingly, is that policy is uncorrelated with public attitudes, and closely correlated with corporate interests. Elsewhere he showed that about 70 percent of the population has no influence on policy—they might as well be in some other country. And as you go up the income and wealth level, the impact on public policy is greater—the rich essentially get what they want. Polling data is not refined enough for him to look beyond the top 10 percent, which is kind of misleading because the real concentration of power is in a fraction of 1 percent. But if the study was carried up to there, it’s pretty clear what you’d find: they get exactly what they want, because they’re basically running the place. The fact that policy doesn’t correspond to public interest shouldn’t come as a big surprise. This has been going on for a long time. Government policy is designed to implement state power and the power of dominant elements within the society. Here, it means mainly the corporate sector. The welfare of the population is secondary, and often not cared for at all. And the population knows it. That’s why you have this tremendous antagonism toward institutions—all institutions. So, support of Congress is often in the single digits; the presidency is disliked; corporations are disliked; banks are hated—it extends all over. Even science is disliked—“why should we believe them?” Unfocused Anger There’s popular mobilization and activism, but in very self-destructive directions. It’s taking the form of unfocused anger—hatred, attacks on one another and on vulnerable targets. Really irrational attitudes—people mobilizing against their own interests, literally against their own interests. Supporting political figures whose goal is to harm them as much as possible. We’re seeing this right in front of us—you look at the television and the Internet, you see it every day. That’s what happens in cases like this. It is corrosive of social relations, but that’s the point. The point is to make people hate and fear each other, look out only for themselves, and not do anything for anyone else. So take Donald Trump. For many years, I have been writing and speaking about the danger of the rise of an honest and charismatic ideologue in the United States, someone who could exploit the fear and anger that has long been boiling in much of the society, and who could direct it away from the actual agents of malaise to vulnerable targets. The dangers, however, have been real for many years, perhaps even more so in the light of the forces that Trump has unleashed, even though Trump himself does not fit the image of honest ideologue. He seems to have very little of a considered ideology apart from me and my friends. He got huge support from people who are angry at everything. Every time Trump makes a nasty comment about whoever, his popularity goes up. Because it is based on hate and fear. The phenomenon that we are seeing here is “generalized rage.” Mostly white, working-class, lower-middle-class people, who have been cast by the wayside during the neoliberalism period. They've lived through a generation of stagnation and decline. And a decline in the functioning of democracy. Even their own elected representatives barely reflect their interests and concerns. Everything has been taken away from them. There is no economic growth for them, there is for other people. The institutions are all against them. They have serious contempt for institutions, especially Congress. They have a deep concern that they are losing their country because a “generalized they” are taking it away from them. That kind of scapegoating of those who are even more vulnerable and oppressed, along with illusions about how they are being coddled by the “liberal elites,” is all too familiar, along with the often bitter outcomes. And it’s important to bear in mind that the genuine fears and concerns can be addressed by serious and constructive policies. Many of the Trump supporters voted for Obama in 2008, believing the message of “hope and change.” They saw little of either, and now in their disillusionment they are seduced by a con man offering a different message of hope and change—which could lead to a very ugly reaction when the imagery collapses. But the outcomes could be far more hopeful if there is a real and meaningful program that genuinely inspires hope and does promise seriously to bring about badly needed change. The response instead is generalized anger at everything. One place you see it strikingly is on April 15. April 15 is kind of a measure—the day you pay your taxes—of how democratic the society is. If a society is really democratic, April 15 should be a day of celebration. It’s a day when the population gets together to decide to fund the programs and activities that they have formulated and agreed upon. What could be better than that? You should celebrate it. It’s not the way it is in the United States. It’s a day of mourning. It’s a day in which some alien power that has nothing to do with you is coming down to steal your hard-earned money—and you do everything you can to keep them from doing it. That’s a measure of the extent to which, at least in popular consciousness, democracy is actually functioning. Not a very attractive picture. The tendencies that we’ve been describing within American society, unless reversed, will create an extremely ugly society. A society that’s based on Adam Smith’s vile maxim, “All for ourselves, nothing for anyone else,” the New Spirit of the Age, “gain wealth, forgetting all but self,” a society in which normal human instincts and emotions of sympathy, solidarity, mutual support, in which they’re driven out. That’s a society so ugly I don’t even know who’d want to live in it. I wouldn’t want my children to. If a society is based on control by private wealth, it will reflect those values—values of greed and the desire to maximize personal gain at the expense of others. Now, a small society based on that principle is ugly, but it can survive. A global society based on that principle is headed for massive destruction. The Survival of the Species I think the future looks pretty grim. I mean, we are facing really serious problems. There’s one thing that shouldn’t be ignored—we’re in a stage of history for the first time ever where we’re facing literal questions of species survival. Can the species survive, at least in any decent form? That’s a real problem. On November 8, 2016, the most powerful country in world history, which will set its stamp on what comes next, had an election. The outcome placed total control of the government—executive, Congress, the Supreme Court—in the hands of the Republican Party, which has become the most dangerous organization in world history. Apart from the last phrase, all of this is uncontroversial. The last phrase may seem outlandish, even outrageous. But is it? The facts suggest otherwise. The party is dedicated to racing as rapidly as possible to destruction of organized human life. There is no historical precedent for such a stand. Is this an exaggeration? Consider what we have just been witnessing. The winning candidate calls for rapid increase in use of fossil fuels, including coal; dismantling of regulations; rejection of help to developing countries that are seeking to move to sustainable energy; and in general, racing to the cliff as fast as possible. And there have already been direct consequences. The COP21 Paris negotiations on climate change aimed for a verifiable treaty, but had to settle for verbal commitments because the Republican Congress would not accept any binding commitments. The follow-up COP22 Marrakech conference aimed to fill in the gaps. It opened on November 7, 2016. On November 8, election day, the World Meteorological Organization presented a dire and ominous report on the current state of environmental destruction. As the results of the election came in, the conference turned to the question of whether the whole process could continue with the most powerful country withdrawing from it and seeking to undermine it. The conference ended with no issue—and an astonishing spectacle. The leader in upholding the hopes for decent survival was China! And the leading wrecker, in virtual isolation, was “the leader of the Free World.” One can, again, hardly find words to capture this spectacle. It is no less difficult to find words to capture the utterly astonishing fact that in all the massive coverage of the electoral extravaganza, none of this receives more than passing mention. At least I am at a loss to find appropriate words. We are heading, eyes open, toward a world in which our grandchildren may not even be able to survive. We’re heading toward environmental disaster, and not just heading toward it, but rushing toward it. The US is in the lead of accelerating these dangers under the pressure of business for in large part institutional reasons. Just take a look at the headlines. There was a report on the front page of the New York Times, a revealing report on the measurements of the Arctic ice cap. Well, it turns out the melting was far beyond anything that had been predicted by sophisticated computer models, and the melting of the Arctic ice cap has very substantial effects on the climate altogether. It’s an escalating process because as the ice cap melts, less of the sun’s energy is reflected, and more comes into the atmosphere, creating an escalating, nonlinear process that gets out of control. The article also reported the reactions of governments and corporations. Their reaction is enthusiasm. We can now accelerate the process because new areas are open for digging and extraction of fossil fuels, so we can make it worse. That’s great. This is a death sentence for our descendants. Fine, let’s accelerate it—hundreds of millions of people in Bangladesh are gonna be driven from their homes by rising sea level in the not-distant future, with consequences for the rest of us too. This demonstrates either a remarkable lack of concern for our own grandchildren and others like them, or else an equally remarkable inability to see what’s before our own eyes. There’s another major threat to survival that’s been hanging over human life for more than seventy years—and that’s nuclear war. And that’s increasing. Bertrand Russell and Albert Einstein, around 1955, issued a passionate plea to the people of the world to recognize that they have a choice that is stark and unavoidable: they must decide—all of mankind must decide—to renounce war, or to self-destruct. And we have come very close to self-destruction a number of times. The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists has what it calls a “Doomsday Clock.” It started in 1947, right after the atom bomb was used. The clock measures the distance that we are from midnight—midnight means termination. Just two years ago the clock was moved two minutes closer to midnight—to three minutes before midnight. The reason is that the threat of nuclear war and the threat of environmental catastrophe are increasing. Policy makers are amplifying them, that’s the future that we’re not only creating but accelerating. This has been an excerpt from the new book Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power by Noam Chomsky and edited by Peter Hutchison, Kelly Nyks, and Jared P. Scott (Seven Stories Press, 2017). Noam Chomsky is institute professor emeritus in the Department of Linguistics and Philosophy at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. His most recent books are Who Rules the World? (Metropolitan Books, 2016) and Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power (Seven Stories Press, 2017). His website is www.chomsky.info. Peter Hutchison is an NYC-based filmmaker, educator and activist. His documentary work includes "What Would Jesus Buy?" with producing partner Morgan Spurlock; "Split: A Divided America"; and "Beyond Activism: Four Decades of Social Justice." He is a cocreator/coeditor of Noam Chomsky's Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power. Kelly Nyks is an award-winning writer/director of documentary films including "The Age of Consequences," "Disobedience," "Disruption," "Do the Math," "Split: A Divided America," and "Split: A Deeper Divide." He is a cocreator/coeditor of Noam Chomsky's Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power. Jared P. Scott is an award-winning writer, director and producer whose films include "The Age of Consequences," "Disruption," "Do the Math," and "The Artificial Leaf." His films have screened at Tribeca, Hot Docs, Sheffield, and IDFA, and have aired/streamed on Netflix, Starz, PBS, and Al Jazeera. He is a cocreator/coeditor of Noam Chomsky's Requiem for the American Dream: The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power. _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 14:01:28 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 14:01:28 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Caitlin Johnstone puts it in perspective Message-ID: [Go to the profile of Caitlin Johnstone] Caitlin JohnstoneFollow Rogue Journalist Jul 1 Want To Resist Trump Without Being A Corporate Tool? Focus On War Crimes [https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*OddgvdR-wGu3rEisZftaYQ.png] The bold warriors of the McResistance are bound and determined to get Trump impeached at any cost, come what may. I mean, so long as it doesn’t inconvenience America’s oligarchs or interfere with the profit margins of the military-industrial complex. According to Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law, Trump has already committed impeachable war crimes in Syria. Boyle calls the case for impeachment due to war crimes a “slam dunk”. If Democrats were serious about their determination to give the world President Pence at all costs, they wouldn’t be banging on about the crumbling Russiagate conspiracy theory or Trump’s obnoxious tweets, they’d be focusing on the actual, tangible, provable things that this administration has done in Syria. They will not do this, though. Trump has dropped his right hand and is currently circling into an opening for a crushing left hook knockout, but Democrats will not throw that punch. Ever. You will never see congressional Russiagate queen Maxine “I’m out to impeach this president” Waters attempt to get Trump impeached with the impeachment case that he has gift wrapped and handed to her by committing war crimes in Syria. You will never see Rep. Jamie “remove Trump from office because of obnoxious tweets” Raskin put together a case for impeachment based on the Trump administration’s unilateral decision to attack the Syrian military, its use of white phosphorus or its relentless slaughter of civilians across the Middle East. You will never see Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann rallying the Resistance troops into protest marches over Trump’s bloodbaths in Yemen or Syria. These things will never, ever happen. You will see them focusing on nonsense like Russiagate and mean tweets about Zbigniew Brzezinski’s daughter. These things will never happen because the Democratic party, as we have discussed before, has become an overwhelmingly neoconservative party, and because the corporate media never misses an opportunity to advocate in favor of US military aggression. We saw this in their shamelessly orgiastic celebration of Trump’s deadly missile strike on a Syrian airfield in April, and we continue to see it in their refusal to unequivocally condemn the senseless military aggression in nations that America never had any business involving itself with in the first place. This is precisely why I’ve been writing with such venom about the so-called “Resistance”, a title not organically arising from the people but one manufactured in a DC think tank to harness and exploit the healthy inclination toward progressive activism which arose on an organic grassroots level in the Occupy and Bernie Sanders movements. People with more or less healthy impulses, people who claim to want peace, economic justice and social justice, have had those good intentions harnessed by America’s unelected power establishment and geared toward manufacturing support for escalations with Russia and unforgivable corporatist bloodbaths in the Middle East. These deep state parasites have taken something good and healthy in their fellow humans and used the deceit and manipulations of their corporate media propaganda arm to twist those healthy impulses in on themselves and turn them into something sick and evil. If you are reading this under the mistaken impression that resisting Trump has something to do with the 25th Amendment or investigations into Russian connections, I strongly advise you to begin insistently urging the pundits and politicians you trust and respect to oppose the Trump administration on the basis of war crimes. Push them to put together a case for Trump’s impeachment based on his violations of the Nuremberg charter, the UN charter, and the War Powers Resolution of 1973. Then watch what they do. Not what they say, but what they do. Ignore their words about this and watch their actions. Pay attention when they ignore you or brush you off with a few supportive-sounding words without taking any action. I promise you this is exactly what will happen. You will never, ever see anything remotely like the full-scale mobilization you’ve seen in the Russiagate movement and #TheResistance protests over Trump’s war crimes. If you try these things and find what I am saying to be true (and you will), please consider the possibility that these people are not your friends. Please consider the possibility that the media you consume which tells you how to perceive world affairs is full of lies and propaganda. Please consider the possibility that a coalition of powerful elites controls your government and uses your country’s immense military might to manipulate world affairs for the purpose of amassing more power. Please consider the possibility of a real resistance replacing the fake one they’ve given you. — — — Thanks for reading! If you enjoyed this, please consider helping me out by sharing it around, liking me on Facebook, following me on Twitter, or even tossing me some money on Patreon so I can keep this gig up. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 2 14:08:01 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 14:08:01 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Caitlin Johnstone puts it in perspective In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For sure. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 9:01 AM To: peace-discuss ; peace Subject: Caitlin Johnstone puts it in perspective [Go to the profile of Caitlin Johnstone] Caitlin Johnstone Follow Rogue Journalist Jul 1 Want To Resist Trump Without Being A Corporate Tool? Focus On War Crimes [https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*OddgvdR-wGu3rEisZftaYQ.png] The bold warriors of the McResistance are bound and determined to get Trump impeached at any cost, come what may. I mean, so long as it doesn’t inconvenience America’s oligarchs or interfere with the profit margins of the military-industrial complex. According to Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law, Trump has already committed impeachable war crimes in Syria. Boyle calls the case for impeachment due to war crimes a “slam dunk”. If Democrats were serious about their determination to give the world President Pence at all costs, they wouldn’t be banging on about the crumbling Russiagate conspiracy theory or Trump’s obnoxious tweets, they’d be focusing on the actual, tangible, provable things that this administration has done in Syria. They will not do this, though. Trump has dropped his right hand and is currently circling into an opening for a crushing left hook knockout, but Democrats will not throw that punch. Ever. You will never see congressional Russiagate queen Maxine “I’m out to impeach this president” Waters attempt to get Trump impeached with the impeachment case that he has gift wrapped and handed to her by committing war crimes in Syria. You will never see Rep. Jamie “remove Trump from office because of obnoxious tweets” Raskin put together a case for impeachment based on the Trump administration’s unilateral decision to attack the Syrian military, its use of white phosphorus or its relentless slaughter of civilians across the Middle East. You will never see Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann rallying the Resistance troops into protest marches over Trump’s bloodbaths in Yemen or Syria. These things will never, ever happen. You will see them focusing on nonsense like Russiagate and mean tweets about Zbigniew Brzezinski’s daughter. These things will never happen because the Democratic party, as we have discussed before, has become an overwhelmingly neoconservative party, and because the corporate media never misses an opportunity to advocate in favor of US military aggression. We saw this in their shamelessly orgiastic celebration of Trump’s deadly missile strike on a Syrian airfield in April, and we continue to see it in their refusal to unequivocally condemn the senseless military aggression in nations that America never had any business involving itself with in the first place. This is precisely why I’ve been writing with such venom about the so-called “Resistance”, a title not organically arising from the people but one manufactured in a DC think tank to harness and exploit the healthy inclination toward progressive activism which arose on an organic grassroots level in the Occupy and Bernie Sanders movements. People with more or less healthy impulses, people who claim to want peace, economic justice and social justice, have had those good intentions harnessed by America’s unelected power establishment and geared toward manufacturing support for escalations with Russia and unforgivable corporatist bloodbaths in the Middle East. These deep state parasites have taken something good and healthy in their fellow humans and used the deceit and manipulations of their corporate media propaganda arm to twist those healthy impulses in on themselves and turn them into something sick and evil. If you are reading this under the mistaken impression that resisting Trump has something to do with the 25th Amendment or investigations into Russian connections, I strongly advise you to begin insistently urging the pundits and politicians you trust and respect to oppose the Trump administration on the basis of war crimes. Push them to put together a case for Trump’s impeachment based on his violations of the Nuremberg charter, the UN charter, and the War Powers Resolution of 1973. Then watch what they do. Not what they say, but what they do. Ignore their words about this and watch their actions. Pay attention when they ignore you or brush you off with a few supportive-sounding words without taking any action. I promise you this is exactly what will happen. You will never, ever see anything remotely like the full-scale mobilization you’ve seen in the Russiagate movement and #TheResistance protests over Trump’s war crimes. If you try these things and find what I am saying to be true (and you will), please consider the possibility that these people are not your friends. Please consider the possibility that the media you consume which tells you how to perceive world affairs is full of lies and propaganda. Please consider the possibility that a coalition of powerful elites controls your government and uses your country’s immense military might to manipulate world affairs for the purpose of amassing more power. Please consider the possibility of a real resistance replacing the fake one they’ve given you. — — — Thanks for reading! If you enjoyed this, please consider helping me out by sharing it around, liking me on Facebook, following me on Twitter, or even tossing me some money on Patreon so I can keep this gig up. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 2 14:34:44 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 14:34:44 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Caitlin Johnstone puts it in perspective References: Message-ID: A Baseless Justification for War in Syria https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/25/a-baseless-justification-for-war-in-syria/ For almost 16 years, the U.S. government has stretched the military force authorization against Al Qaeda to justify a wide-ranging “war on terror” but now has gone further, attacking the Syrian military inside Syria, notes Dennis J Bernstein. By Dennis J Bernstein U.S. government officials, including Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., claim the current U.S. authority to mount military operations in Iraq and Syria is legally based on the Authorization for the Use of Military Force [AUMF] declaration to go after Al Qaeda and related terror groups after the 9/11 attacks in 2001. But how does that cover the recent U.S. attacks on Syrian government forces that have been battling both Al Qaeda and its spinoff, Islamic State? [https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/170404-D-PB383-034A-300x200.jpg] Marine Corps Gen. Joe Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, meets with members of the coalition at a forward operating base near Qayyarah West, Iraq, April 4, 2017. (DoD Photo by Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Dominique A. Pineiro) Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law, asserts that the recent U.S. shoot-down of a Syrian government jet inside Syria on June 18 was not only illegal under international law but amounts to an impeachable act by President Trump. In an interview with Flashpoints’ Dennis J. Bernstein, Professor Boyle said, “What the U.S. government is getting away with here is incredible.” Boyle also talked to Bernstein about the questionable Russia-gate investigation and the darker history behind Special Prosecutor Robert Swan Mueller III, the former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Dennis Bernstein: Will Syria’s hot war and the recent U.S. bombings there lead us into a hot war with Russia? Well, the generals are saying this shoot-down in Syria is legal. You want to jump into this? Francis Boyle: You know Dunford doesn’t have a law degree that I’m aware of. But, of course, still the Pentagon is going to try to justify whatever war crimes it can. They always do. Clearly the U.S. invasion, which we have done, and now repeated military attacks against Syria constitutes a Nuremberg crime against peace, and in violation of the Nuremberg charter, judgment and principles, and, of course, a violation of the United Nations’ charter. [It is] an act of aggression as defined by, oh even the new element of the Rome Statute for the International Criminal Court that is not yet in force. But it has a definition based upon the 1974 definition of aggression which the World Court found to be customary international law in the very famous Nicaraguan case when it applied it against Nicaragua. Indeed, it’s very interesting, you know, if you go back and read the Nicaragua case, and change Syria for Nicaragua, pretty much the law, the illegalities remain the same. Likewise, the United States Congress has never authorized any act of war against Syria. So, this violates the War Powers clause of the United States Constitution, the War Powers Resolution of 1973, and is clearly an impeachable act against President Trump. This is a slam dunk. We don’t have time to go through all the other arguments being made on impeachment here, but for the most part, all those are being made by these totally hypocritical Democratic lawyers who never applied the same impeachable arguments against President Obama. So, I’m not going to waste time with them. And, finally, this is existentially dangerous, what is going on right now in Syria. But Russia is there with the consent of the legitimate government of Syria. They’re not violating international law. The United States is in clear cut violation, as I have explained. And, now, Russia … has said that they are going to begin to target U.S. planes and drones. And, the problem is, of course, when you target planes, that triggers their radar and they fire back. So, we’re pretty much on a hair trigger right now in Syria for war between the United States and Russia. And given the massive war mongering campaign we’re seeing being waged against Russia by almost all the mainstream news media, the Democrats, the whole Democratic Party, the Hillary Clinton people, etc. and sort of neo-McCarthyism against Russia, Putin and everyone else, I shudder to think what would happen if Russia were to shoot down an American pilot under these circumstances. In my lifetime, Dennis, my political lifetime, I don’t think we’ve been in such a dangerous situation since the Cuban Missile Crisis. I mean, anything could go wrong here, soon. And, even if it’s not deliberate, as President Kennedy said when the Soviet Union shot down a U-2 spy plane at the heart of the Cuban Missile Crisis that could have resulted in World War III, he said something like, “Well, there’s always some son-of-a-bitch down the line who doesn’t get the message.” So, anything could go wrong here. And we could end up being at war with Russia momentarily. [https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Bombed_out_vehicles_Aleppo-1-300x163.jpg] Bombed out vehicles in Aleppo during the Syrian civil war. 6 October 2012 (Wikipedia) DB: You want to talk a little bit about the so-called deconfliction zones, that are really conflict zones and a potential for war? FB: Yeah, it’s clear, Dennis, and indeed [the] Financial Times now has an article on this, but I’ve said this for a while, these deconfliction zones are really de-facto partition zones for Russia and the United States. And what we’re seeing here is effectively all these surrounding states are going into Syria and grabbing a chunk of their territory. It’s like jackals descending on a wounded animal. Iran is in there, Hezbollah is in there, Turkey is in there, the Kurds are in there, the U.S. is in there. We have our proxy terrorist groups in there. The best analogy would be a pack of jackals descending upon and eating away at a wounded animal. And the so-called deconfliction zones are just part of the de-facto carve up of Syria, in violation of Syria’s territorial integrity and political independence guaranteed by the United Nations’ charter. DB: Well, as you say, these are incredibly dangerous times, and very, very difficult policies. Who loses, who gains on this kind of response to Syria, and bombing of Syria? FB: Well, the United States government believes it gains because they are out — and have always been out — to overthrow the Assad government, and put a puppet in power. And, you know, continue to achieve their objectives there in the Middle East, going back for quite some time, preparing the way for future action against Iran and Russia, for sure. So, they believe that this is to their advantage: the Pentagon, the CIA, the White House, the so-called Power Ministries, the Deep State. Call them whatever you want. They could be tragically short-sighted. I mean, this is the way the First World War and the Second World War began. What can I say, Dennis? It’s a tinder box, already. DB: And how would you characterize Israel’s interest and their role in this policy? Do you think they’re a driving force in it? FB: Of course. That’s got reported […] in the Wall Street Journal. I guess I should say Israel wants its chunk of Syria, too. They’ve already stolen the Golan Heights, in 1967. And they’ve been arming, equipping and supplying these terrorist organizations since the outset of the uprising in Syria. And, indeed, they’ve now carved out a further buffer zone in Syria. So, they’re in to get their share of Syria, as well, along with everyone else. I’m not saying they’re any better or any worse than anyone else. But they’re doing exactly the same thing everyone else is doing. As I said, it’s this pack of hyenas going in there to gnaw away, and eat the flesh of Syria. And Israel is getting its pound of flesh, as it sees it. DB: And this, you think, could easily unravel. These are perhaps, would you say, the most dangerous times of our life time, or close to it? FB: Well, when you have Russia saying it is going to target so-called paint U.S. jet fighters, and jet fighters bombers, and their standard operating procedure when they get painted is to destroy the source that is targeting them. Yes. As I said, we could have war, at least in Syria, between the United States and Russia. And given the anti-Russian warmongering and hysteria, and neo-McCarthyism in this country that has been deliberately orchestrated by the Clinton campaign and the Democrats and their fellow travelers in the mainstream news media since the Democratic Convention last summer, if a U.S. pilot gets killed, we could see Congress going into session, and declaring war against Russia. Sure. It’s a catastrophe, Dennis. I mean, anything could happen here. I shudder to think of the consequences. DB: Amazing. But I do want to, just before we let you go, I want to ask you to weigh in. Because we’ve seen this amazing, as you call it, McCarthyite attack. People don’t like Trump, they find him very difficult. And it’s not hard to find him difficult. How would you describe what is happening against him in terms of … people refer to it as the Deep State, or an intelligence coup? How would you unpack that? FB: Right, well, first of all, let me say I did not vote for either Clinton or Trump. As I saw it, it was a choice between the cholera and the plague. And I decided not to have anything to do with either of them. But I think if Clinton had been elected we’d probably be at war with Russia, right now. I think what we’re seeing is the elements in the Obama administration that was being run by [Zbigniew] Brzezinski, this ex-patriot Pole who hated the Russians with a passion, and the CIA, the FBI, the Pentagon, all moving further in the direction of a direct conflict with Russia, and especially over Ukraine. [https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/obama-russia-300x199.jpg] President Barack Obama delivers a statement on the situation in Ukraine, on the South Lawn of the White House, July 29, 2014. (Official White House Photo by Lawrence Jackson) As we know, it was the Obama administration, Assistant Secretary of State [Victoria] Nuland, a neo-con holdover from the Bush administration, who admitted, we had put $5 billion in there to overthrow the democratically elected government of Ukraine. Which we did. It was a standard textbook CIA coup d’etat, that followed the manual going back to the original CIA overthrow of the Mossadegh government in Iran. Trump seemed to indicate that he was going to take a different approach, and not continue with this agenda. And so, now what we’re seeing is all the forces that had been lined up to steal Ukraine, to confront Russia, are furiously fighting back. Now, I’m not saying Trump is a good guy here, but what I am saying, if you’re watching the mainstream news media, none of the people involved here are good guys. No one wears a white hat. And it’s an extremely dangerous situation. [James] Comey, the FBI Director… well, first look at Wesley Swearingen, a decorated retired FBI agent, in his book FBI Secrets, has repeatedly called the FBI “the American Gestapo.” And, of course, you and I and your listening audience certainly know that, Dennis. Certainly African-Americans know the FBI is the American Gestapo. Arabs know it. Muslims know it. Communists know it. I know it since they put me on all the government’s terrorism watch lists here, because I refused to become an informant for them and the CIA on my Arab and Muslim clients. So, Comey is no great hero here. And, indeed, when he worked for Bush Jr. he was Deputy Attorney General. He was up to his eye balls in every hideous atrocity Bush Jr. inflicted on everyone, both abroad and here at home, including the 1,100 Muslims that they summarily rounded up. Many of them were beaten up, and a few died. As for Mueller, again, former Director of the FBI, the American Gestapo, Mueller, when he was Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division, Mueller was in charge of fixing the case against Libya and Gaddafi, for the Lockerbie bombing. When everyone knows Libya had absolutely nothing to do with the Lockerbie bombing. Indeed, we had been told that the Lockerbie bombing effectively was revenge by Iran for the destruction of the Iran air jet by the USS Vincennes in the Persian Gulf, with the loss of all that innocent human life. And the Reagan administration refused to apologize, refused to accept responsibility, decorated the captain of the Vincennes that killed close to 270 completely innocent human beings. [https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/20010705-2-m.jpg] Robert Mueller with President George W. Bush on July 5, 2001, as Bush nominated Mueller to be FBI Director. (White House photo) But, in the run up to the Bush Sr.’s war against Iraq to steal Persian Gulf oil, he wanted and needed support of Iran, and also, Syria. There’s evidence Lockerbie might have been staged out of Syria. I don’t know if that’s true or it isn’t. So, we cut a deal that all of a sudden Iran, Syria, whatever the responsibility, they would be let off the hook, in return for Iran and Syria supporting the United States’ war against Iraq. And, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, Libya gets blamed. Mueller was behind all of that. He fixed all that evidence that prevented us, the American people, from finding out who really was behind the Lockerbie bombing. I can’t recall the number there was [270 total people killed], [187] American civilians were killed. Mueller is truly evil. [For more on the Lockerbie bombing, see Consortiumnews “The Crumbling Lockerbie Case”] And then, in addition, Mueller was head of the FBI, and he was in charge of the cover up of the anthrax attacks of October 2001. At the time, I had given interviews right after these attacks pointing out that this was super weapons grade anthrax that could only be manufactured in a U.S. government lab, or one affiliated, working for the United States government. And, indeed, I informed the FBI of this, given my expertise on biological warfare. And the FBI, then under Mueller, sent a team out there to the Ames Repository for Anthrax, in Ames, Iowa — where we keep our weapons strains — and destroyed them all, attempting to cover up the U.S. government’s origins of the anthrax attack. That was all done while Mueller was head of the FBI, and under his direct supervision. So, this so-called special council that we see now is just a “fix-it man” for the CIA, the Pentagon, the military industrial complex, despite what you’re reading in the newspaper about character and integrity. This man is a criminal, he should be prosecuted and put in jail, certainly for what he did on Lockerbie, and what he did on the anthrax attacks. And I won’t go through the rest of his record here. So, this is a real scheme by, as I see it, the power ministries, what they used to call it in the Soviet Union, to continue our confrontation with Russia, and in Ukraine, in the Baltics, and also in Syria. And in my read of the situation, that’s what’s going on. This is not to say Trump is a good guy, except to say, if Clinton had been elected I think we’d be at war with Russia. We dodged a bullet on November 8th. But I don’t know how much longer we will be able to continue to dodge the bullet. And, again, we have to remember, Dennis, that for eight years under the Obama administration… Obama’s mentor was Zbigniew Brzezinski. Brzezinski and I went through the exact same PhD program at Harvard, the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government, not the Kennedy School, which is basically a front organization for the CIA, and the Department of Defense. But the same program that produces professors of political science, like Brzezinski, like [Henry] Kissinger, and like me, like [Samuel P.] Huntington. And Brzezinski is an ex-patriot Pole who hates the Soviet Union, and Russia, and the Russians with a passion. [https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/dd24341a-ae13-4b88-ac37-d578e232c28c-300x169.jpg] Former U.S. National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski Remember, it was Brzezinski who convinced President Carter to unleash Al-Qaeda [known at the time as the mujahideen] against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, in order to bring about, as he saw it, the Vietnam for the Soviet Union. And he was Obama’s mentor, at Columbia. And when Obama decided to run for president, he brought in Brzezinski to be in charge of his entire foreign affairs and defense operation, during the campaign. And then, once Obama became president, Brzezinski stacked the Obama administration with his proteges, all up and down the State Department, the Department of Defense, and the White House, and the CIA and everywhere else he could have. So, that is what we saw for eight years of Obama. And Clinton was just continuing along those lines. DB: Wow. Well, we just have a couple of minutes left. Today happens to be the fifth year that, shall we say, Julian Assange is trapped in the Ecuadorean embassy [in London]. What do you think U.S. and British intelligence officials are so afraid of when it comes to WikiLeaks? FB: The truth. That’s what they’re afraid of. Well, Dennis, WikiLeaks, as far as I can tell, so far, I haven’t read all of these dispatches and everything, but I’ve read the accounts, is simply telling the truth. And we here live in a democracy. And, we, the American people are entitled to the truth. You know, all this diddly squat about classifications and security is all baloney. We live in a democracy. We’re entitled to everything so that we can make informed decisions. And the government refuses to do it. The NSA spies on all of us, every one of us. When the CIA and the FBI came into my office to try to interrogate me for an hour, which they did, the first question they asked me is, well, why are you giving these interviews all over the world, if you can believe that. And then they tried to get me to become an informant, on my Arab and Muslim clients. So, it’s the truth that the United States government cannot stand, and cannot withstand. And so far as I see it, Assange and WikiLeaks have tried to get the truth out. And, remember, Mr. Justice [Louis] Brandeis of the United States Supreme Court said quite some time ago, “Sunlight is the best disinfectant.” And WikiLeaks has been consistently providing sunlight to us Americans, to try and disinfect our own government. DB: Wow. Professor Boyle we appreciate always your stand, your information, and your willingness to be forthright in taking on the powers that be. We thank you so much, again, for joining us on Flashpoints. FB: Well, thanks again, Dennis. And, remember, John Yoo to jail. [John Yoo is author of the “Torture Memos,” which advised the CIA, Department of Defense, and president on the use of torture techniques after September 11.] [https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/johnyoo.jpg] John Yoo, former legal adviser to President George W. Bush DB: John Yoo, he’s still there teaching those kids. And he’s been cleansed. FB: The sick, demented Berkeley Law faculty gave him their most prestigious endowed chair. And that means that the Berkeley Law faculty have become accessories after the fact to the use of torture, war crimes and felonies. That’s right. They knew exactly what they were doing. And I wouldn’t send my dog to the Berkeley Law School, these days. And I say that in sadness because the late, great dean there, Frank Newman, who taught international law and human rights, was a good friend of mine, and supported me at the beginning of my career. And then later he was on the California Supreme Court. And Yoo is now desecrating his slot there at Berkeley Law with the full cooperation of the sick and demented Berkeley Law faculties. So I certainly would not go there for any reason. I had a son who could have gone to any top law school in the country and I said, “Don’t go to Harvard Law School, they hired a war criminal. Don’t go to Yale Law School, they have hired and still have war criminals. Don’t go to Berkeley Law School, they have a war criminal. Don’t go to the University of Chicago Law School, where I was an undergraduate, because they have a torture monger on there,” and I went right down the list. DB: So where does he go? There’s nowhere to go. FB: Well, he eventually went to work for the high tech business. What can I say? I lost my son… my dad was a lawyer, and I lost this boy to the law. But, regretfully, you just could see the total perversion of the American legal academy after 9/11, 2001. I regret to say that. So, what can I say? DB: Well, we thank you for the frankness and for the information, Professor Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois, College of Law. Thanks again for joining us on Flashpoints. Dennis J Bernstein is a host of “Flashpoints” on the Pacifica radio network and the author of Special Ed: Voices from a Hidden Classroom. You can access the audio archives at www.flashpoints.net. -------------------------------- A Baseless Justification for War in Syria A Baseless Justification for War in Syria For almost 16 years, the U.S. government has stretched the military force authorization against Al Qaeda to just... ================================llllllllllllllllll=========================== Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 9:08 AM To: 'Karen Aram' ; peace-discuss ; peace Subject: RE: Caitlin Johnstone puts it in perspective For sure. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 9:01 AM To: peace-discuss >; peace > Subject: Caitlin Johnstone puts it in perspective [Go to the profile of Caitlin Johnstone] Caitlin Johnstone Follow Rogue Journalist Jul 1 Want To Resist Trump Without Being A Corporate Tool? Focus On War Crimes [https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*OddgvdR-wGu3rEisZftaYQ.png] The bold warriors of the McResistance are bound and determined to get Trump impeached at any cost, come what may. I mean, so long as it doesn’t inconvenience America’s oligarchs or interfere with the profit margins of the military-industrial complex. According to Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law, Trump has already committed impeachable war crimes in Syria. Boyle calls the case for impeachment due to war crimes a “slam dunk”. If Democrats were serious about their determination to give the world President Pence at all costs, they wouldn’t be banging on about the crumbling Russiagate conspiracy theory or Trump’s obnoxious tweets, they’d be focusing on the actual, tangible, provable things that this administration has done in Syria. They will not do this, though. Trump has dropped his right hand and is currently circling into an opening for a crushing left hook knockout, but Democrats will not throw that punch. Ever. You will never see congressional Russiagate queen Maxine “I’m out to impeach this president” Waters attempt to get Trump impeached with the impeachment case that he has gift wrapped and handed to her by committing war crimes in Syria. You will never see Rep. Jamie “remove Trump from office because of obnoxious tweets” Raskin put together a case for impeachment based on the Trump administration’s unilateral decision to attack the Syrian military, its use of white phosphorus or its relentless slaughter of civilians across the Middle East. You will never see Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann rallying the Resistance troops into protest marches over Trump’s bloodbaths in Yemen or Syria. These things will never, ever happen. You will see them focusing on nonsense like Russiagate and mean tweets about Zbigniew Brzezinski’s daughter. These things will never happen because the Democratic party, as we have discussed before, has become an overwhelmingly neoconservative party, and because the corporate media never misses an opportunity to advocate in favor of US military aggression. We saw this in their shamelessly orgiastic celebration of Trump’s deadly missile strike on a Syrian airfield in April, and we continue to see it in their refusal to unequivocally condemn the senseless military aggression in nations that America never had any business involving itself with in the first place. This is precisely why I’ve been writing with such venom about the so-called “Resistance”, a title not organically arising from the people but one manufactured in a DC think tank to harness and exploit the healthy inclination toward progressive activism which arose on an organic grassroots level in the Occupy and Bernie Sanders movements. People with more or less healthy impulses, people who claim to want peace, economic justice and social justice, have had those good intentions harnessed by America’s unelected power establishment and geared toward manufacturing support for escalations with Russia and unforgivable corporatist bloodbaths in the Middle East. These deep state parasites have taken something good and healthy in their fellow humans and used the deceit and manipulations of their corporate media propaganda arm to twist those healthy impulses in on themselves and turn them into something sick and evil. If you are reading this under the mistaken impression that resisting Trump has something to do with the 25th Amendment or investigations into Russian connections, I strongly advise you to begin insistently urging the pundits and politicians you trust and respect to oppose the Trump administration on the basis of war crimes. Push them to put together a case for Trump’s impeachment based on his violations of the Nuremberg charter, the UN charter, and the War Powers Resolution of 1973. Then watch what they do. Not what they say, but what they do. Ignore their words about this and watch their actions. Pay attention when they ignore you or brush you off with a few supportive-sounding words without taking any action. I promise you this is exactly what will happen. You will never, ever see anything remotely like the full-scale mobilization you’ve seen in the Russiagate movement and #TheResistance protests over Trump’s war crimes. If you try these things and find what I am saying to be true (and you will), please consider the possibility that these people are not your friends. Please consider the possibility that the media you consume which tells you how to perceive world affairs is full of lies and propaganda. Please consider the possibility that a coalition of powerful elites controls your government and uses your country’s immense military might to manipulate world affairs for the purpose of amassing more power. Please consider the possibility of a real resistance replacing the fake one they’ve given you. — — — Thanks for reading! If you enjoyed this, please consider helping me out by sharing it around, liking me on Facebook, following me on Twitter, or even tossing me some money on Patreon so I can keep this gig up. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 15:13:30 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 15:13:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chris Hedges interview with Christian Parenti for anyone who thinks climate change is just higher temps. Message-ID: https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/392886-global-climate-change-geopolitical/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cge at shout.net Sun Jul 2 19:34:57 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2017 14:34:57 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marching_in_the_?= =?utf-8?q?July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> Message-ID: “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ====================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. I don’t now see how I can oppose the propaganda of the Fourth of July celebrations and still participate, even in a critical way. I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play. --CGE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-bigelow/rethinking-the-fourth-of-july_b_5552378.html ### From cgestabrook at gmail.com Sun Jul 2 19:39:32 2017 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 14:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marching_in_the_?= =?utf-8?q?July_4th_parade?= References: Message-ID: <08270416-33B4-48D1-B39A-00B81EED7B7A@gmail.com> “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ======================================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. I don’t now see how I can oppose the propaganda of the Fourth of July celebrations and still participate, even in a critical way. I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play. --CGE > ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 20:24:37 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 20:24:37 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> Message-ID: I won’t be going either, and its not just due to the heat, and my asthma There is little to celebrate with the continued injustice towards the working class, with the lack of healthcare, murder of people of color by our militarized police, continuing austerity and most of all the continuation of murders and destruction of millions around the globe, being perpetuated by the USG. We should be protesting, and some of us did yesterday. On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ====================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. I don’t now see how I can oppose the propaganda of the Fourth of July celebrations and still participate, even in a critical way. I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play. --CGE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-bigelow/rethinking-the-fourth-of-july_b_5552378.html ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Sun Jul 2 21:39:12 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 16:39:12 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> <002701d2f376$158f5090$40adf1b0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003701d2f37b$a5aa15c0$f0fe4140$@comcast.net> Maybe we should begin plans for 2018, with a coalition of anti-war / anti-capitalist people from many of C-U’s organizations. David J. From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:10 PM To: David Johnson Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade Stuart will be marching with the Immigration Forum, he said they are protesting against the USG. I have nothing creative to offer, but you might check with David Green, he has our signs and he might be going. There really isn’t anyone else to make much of a contingent. On Jul 2, 2017, at 13:59, David Johnson wrote: I understand Karen and Carl, but it is a shame, considering the past years AWARE presence in the parade and it’s creative and powerful anti-war ; float / procession / theme. Out of sight, out of mind ! David J. From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 3:25 PM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade I won’t be going either, and its not just due to the heat, and my asthma There is little to celebrate with the continued injustice towards the working class, with the lack of healthcare, murder of people of color by our militarized police, continuing austerity and most of all the continuation of murders and destruction of millions around the globe, being perpetuated by the USG. We should be protesting, and some of us did yesterday. On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ====================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. I don’t now see how I can oppose the propaganda of the Fourth of July celebrations and still participate, even in a critical way. I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play. --CGE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-bigelow/rethinking-the-fourth-of-july_b_5552378.html ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jul 2 21:46:16 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 21:46:16 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: <003701d2f37b$a5aa15c0$f0fe4140$@comcast.net> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> <002701d2f376$158f5090$40adf1b0$@comcast.net> <003701d2f37b$a5aa15c0$f0fe4140$@comcast.net> Message-ID: I’m willing to talk, but even those who claim to be anti-capitalist can’t be bothered to join our AWARE anti-war movement, we’re the only group in town without a political agenda, other than stopping war and funding programs to eleviate poverty. On Jul 2, 2017, at 14:39, David Johnson > wrote: Maybe we should begin plans for 2018, with a coalition of anti-war / anti-capitalist people from many of C-U’s organizations. David J. From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:10 PM To: David Johnson Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade Stuart will be marching with the Immigration Forum, he said they are protesting against the USG. I have nothing creative to offer, but you might check with David Green, he has our signs and he might be going. There really isn’t anyone else to make much of a contingent. On Jul 2, 2017, at 13:59, David Johnson > wrote: I understand Karen and Carl, but it is a shame, considering the past years AWARE presence in the parade and it’s creative and powerful anti-war ; float / procession / theme. Out of sight, out of mind ! David J. From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 3:25 PM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade I won’t be going either, and its not just due to the heat, and my asthma There is little to celebrate with the continued injustice towards the working class, with the lack of healthcare, murder of people of color by our militarized police, continuing austerity and most of all the continuation of murders and destruction of millions around the globe, being perpetuated by the USG. We should be protesting, and some of us did yesterday. On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ====================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. I don’t now see how I can oppose the propaganda of the Fourth of July celebrations and still participate, even in a critical way. I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play. --CGE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-bigelow/rethinking-the-fourth-of-july_b_5552378.html ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjornsona at ameritech.net Mon Jul 3 00:11:13 2017 From: bjornsona at ameritech.net (bjornsona at ameritech.net) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2017 20:11:13 -0400 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= Message-ID: <92g921gee6jeu1nvpjeq360l.1499040393942@email.lge.com> I hope to be in Canada. Will be finding out what returning thru a border is like for a white, cis, older couple. Just got to see the Rivera murals in the Detroit Institute of Art for the first time. So taking time off to re-charge. There was a protest in downtown Detroit Sunday July 2. We honked and waved to show support going by. We did not know about it ahead of time and it was mostly over by 330. Anne Bjornson Parkinson Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ------ Original message------From: Karen Aram via Peace-discussDate: Sun, Jul 2, 2017 5:46 PMTo: David Johnson;Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net;Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade  I’m willing to talk, but even those who claim to be anti-capitalist can’t be bothered to join our AWARE anti-war movement, we’re the only group in town without a political agenda, other than stopping war and funding programs to eleviate poverty.  On Jul 2, 2017, at 14:39, David Johnson wrote: Maybe we should begin plans for 2018, with a coalition of anti-war / anti-capitalist people from many of C-U’s organizations.   David J.     From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com]  Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:10 PM To: David Johnson Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade   Stuart will be marching with the Immigration Forum, he said they are protesting against the USG.    I have nothing creative to offer, but you might check with David Green, he has our signs and he might be going. There really isn’t anyone else to make much of a contingent.      On Jul 2, 2017, at 13:59, David Johnson wrote:   I understand Karen and Carl, but it is a shame, considering the past years AWARE presence in the parade and it’s creative and powerful anti-war ; float / procession / theme.   Out of sight, out of mind !   David J.     From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 3:25 PM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade    I won’t be going either, and its not just due to the heat, and my asthma There is little to celebrate with the continued injustice towards the working class, with the lack of healthcare, murder of people of color by our militarized police, continuing austerity and most of all the continuation of murders and destruction of millions around the globe, being perpetuated by the USG. We should be protesting, and some of us did yesterday.     On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote:   “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ====================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. I don’t now see how I can oppose the propaganda of the Fourth of July celebrations and still participate, even in a critical way. I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play.  --CGE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-bigelow/rethinking-the-fourth-of-july_b_5552378.html ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 00:30:44 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 00:30:44 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: <92g921gee6jeu1nvpjeq360l.1499040393942@email.lge.com> References: <92g921gee6jeu1nvpjeq360l.1499040393942@email.lge.com> Message-ID: Anne We get a lot of horn honks, and a lot of positive comments from people, when demonstrating, some people take our photo’s which I find amusing, as if we are an anachronism. Of course, on occasion some of us get a few fingers and fu’s, or verbal attacks, but we usually have a laugh over that, and in comparison to the positive comments and conversations, it’s nothing. Join us when you get back to town. PS Let me know how your crossing the border to Canada goes, I’ve been told you need your passport, when going to and from Canada, since 9/11, I wonder if that is still true? On Jul 2, 2017, at 17:11, bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss > wrote: I hope to be in Canada. Will be finding out what returning thru a border is like for a white, cis, older couple. Just got to see the Rivera murals in the Detroit Institute of Art for the first time. So taking time off to re-charge. There was a protest in downtown Detroit Sunday July 2. We honked and waved to show support going by. We did not know about it ahead of time and it was mostly over by 330. Anne Bjornson Parkinson Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ------ Original message------ From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Date: Sun, Jul 2, 2017 5:46 PM To: David Johnson; Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade I’m willing to talk, but even those who claim to be anti-capitalist can’t be bothered to join our AWARE anti-war movement, we’re the only group in town without a political agenda, other than stopping war and funding programs to eleviate poverty. On Jul 2, 2017, at 14:39, David Johnson > wrote: Maybe we should begin plans for 2018, with a coalition of anti-war / anti-capitalist people from many of C-U’s organizations. David J. From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:10 PM To: David Johnson Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade Stuart will be marching with the Immigration Forum, he said they are protesting against the USG. I have nothing creative to offer, but you might check with David Green, he has our signs and he might be going. There really isn’t anyone else to make much of a contingent. On Jul 2, 2017, at 13:59, David Johnson > wrote: I understand Karen and Carl, but it is a shame, considering the past years AWARE presence in the parade and it’s creative and powerful anti-war ; float / procession / theme. Out of sight, out of mind ! David J. From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 3:25 PM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade I won’t be going either, and its not just due to the heat, and my asthma There is little to celebrate with the continued injustice towards the working class, with the lack of healthcare, murder of people of color by our militarized police, continuing austerity and most of all the continuation of murders and destruction of millions around the globe, being perpetuated by the USG. We should be protesting, and some of us did yesterday. On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ====================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. I don’t now see how I can oppose the propaganda of the Fourth of July celebrations and still participate, even in a critical way. I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play. --CGE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-bigelow/rethinking-the-fourth-of-july_b_5552378.html ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 03:34:17 2017 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 22:34:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: <92g921gee6jeu1nvpjeq360l.1499040393942@email.lge.com> Message-ID: <9E9546FF-8480-4377-8669-D15209FC3140@gmail.com> Satirizing - or railing at - something like the 4th of July parade risks pointlessness. The greatest American satirist of his generation was Tom Lehrer (who was a TA for the math course I took first year in college). ================= Lehrer is of the opinion that while satire may attract attention to an issue, it doesn’t achieve a lot else. “The audience usually has to be with you, I’m afraid. I always regarded myself as not even preaching to the converted; I was titillating the converted.” “The audiences like to think that satire is doing something. But, in fact, it is mostly to leave themselves satisfied. Satisfied rather than angry, which is what they should be.” His favourite quote on the subject is from British comedian Peter Cook, who, in founding the Establishment Club in 1961, said it was to be a satirical venue modelled on “those wonderful Berlin cabarets which did so much to stop the rise of Hitler and prevent the outbreak of the Second World War”. [Sydney Morning Herald, March 1, 2003] ================= On Jul 2, 2017, at 13:59, David Johnson wrote: I understand Karen and Carl, but it is a shame, considering the past years AWARE presence in the parade and it’s creative and powerful anti-war ; float / procession / theme. Out of sight, out of mind ! David J. From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 3:25 PM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade I won’t be going either, and its not just due to the heat, and my asthma There is little to celebrate with the continued injustice towards the working class, with the lack of healthcare, murder of people of color by our militarized police, continuing austerity and most of all the continuation of murders and destruction of millions around the globe, being perpetuated by the USG. We should be protesting, and some of us did yesterday. On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ====================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. I don’t now see how I can oppose the propaganda of the Fourth of July celebrations and still participate, even in a critical way. I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play. --CGE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-bigelow/rethinking-the-fourth-of-july_b_5552378.html ### From kmedina67 at gmail.com Mon Jul 3 11:59:32 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 06:59:32 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= Message-ID:  Anne and Karen,  If i remember correctly, the US started requiring passports at the Canadian border on this side. As a reaction to this, Canada decided that if the US was going to do this to them they would do the same to the US. Many US citizens cross into their country and expect to not need a passport. Around 2005 is when the US started requiring passports... see this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28188-2005Apr5.html The most common criticism i have heard at demonstrations is  "get a job" which makes me laugh at the irony. They are driving down the street on a Saturday afternoon and are not set their jobs either.  -Karen Medina -------- Original message --------From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Date: 7/2/17 19:30 (GMT-06:00) To: bjornsona at ameritech.net Cc: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade Anne We get a lot of horn honks, and a lot of positive comments from people, when demonstrating, some people take our photo’s which I find amusing, as if we are an anachronism. Of course, on occasion some of us get a few fingers and fu’s, or verbal attacks, but we usually have a laugh over that, and in comparison to the positive comments and conversations, it’s nothing.  Join us when you get back to town. PS Let me know how your crossing the border to Canada goes, I’ve been told you need your passport, when going to and from Canada, since 9/11, I wonder if that is  still true?   On Jul 2, 2017, at 17:11, bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss wrote: I hope to be in Canada. Will be finding out what returning thru a border is like for a white, cis, older couple. Just got to see the Rivera murals in the Detroit Institute of Art for the first time. So taking time off to re-charge. There was a protest in downtown Detroit Sunday July 2. We honked and waved to show support going by. We did not know about it ahead of time and it was mostly over by 330. Anne Bjornson Parkinson Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ------ Original message------ From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Date: Sun, Jul 2, 2017 5:46 PM To: David Johnson; Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade  I’m willing to talk, but even those who claim to be anti-capitalist can’t be bothered to join our AWARE anti-war movement, we’re the only group in town without a political agenda, other than stopping war and funding programs to eleviate poverty.  On Jul 2, 2017, at 14:39, David Johnson wrote: Maybe we should begin plans for 2018, with a coalition of anti-war / anti-capitalist people from many of C-U’s organizations.   David J.     From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com]  Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:10 PM To: David Johnson Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade   Stuart will be marching with the Immigration Forum, he said they are protesting against the USG.    I have nothing creative to offer, but you might check with David Green, he has our signs and he might be going. There really isn’t anyone else to make much of a contingent.      On Jul 2, 2017, at 13:59, David Johnson wrote:   I understand Karen and Carl, but it is a shame, considering the past years AWARE presence in the parade and it’s creative and powerful anti-war ; float / procession / theme.   Out of sight, out of mind !   David J.     From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 3:25 PM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade    I won’t be going either, and its not just due to the heat, and my asthma There is little to celebrate with the continued injustice towards the working class, with the lack of healthcare, murder of people of color by our militarized police, continuing austerity and most of all the continuation of murders and destruction of millions around the globe, being perpetuated by the USG. We should be protesting, and some of us did yesterday.     On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote:   “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ====================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. I don’t now see how I can oppose the propaganda of the Fourth of July celebrations and still participate, even in a critical way. I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play.  --CGE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-bigelow/rethinking-the-fourth-of-july_b_5552378.html ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 11:50:08 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 11:50:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Illinois on the verge of default Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » US state budget crises lead to shutdowns of offices, parks, schools By Patrick Martin 3 July 2017 Three US states—New Jersey, Maine and Illinois—with a combined population of 23 million people entered a new fiscal year Saturday without a state budget, forcing widespread shutdowns of public services, state offices and schools, as well as the closure of state parks on the Fourth of July holiday weekend. In a fourth state, Connecticut, Democratic Governor Dannel Malloy ordered across-the-board spending cuts totaling $2.1 billion after the legislature failed to pass a balanced budget. Malloy’s cuts include the elimination of summer youth employment programs and rental assistance for low-income families, as well as a reduction in education funding. Six more states entered the new fiscal year without a final budget, but without, as yet, any significant shutdown of state services: Delaware, Massachusetts, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Wisconsin. Cuts are to be expected in all of these states if new budgets are not enacted by July 5, the first workday after the holiday. The most immediate impact of the crisis is in New Jersey, the eleventh most populous state with a population of nearly 9 million, where Republican Governor Chris Christie ordered the first ever shutdown of state offices and facilities on June 30 after failing to reach a budget agreement with Democratic leaders in the state legislature. Christie issued an executive order shutting down what he described as “nonessential” state services, continuing operations of the state police, the prison system and state-run gambling facilities that generate revenue. The closure affected all state parks, beaches and tourist facilities on the eve of the busy Fourth of July holiday weekend, and could force cancellation of Fourth of July fireworks in many locations. In a display of elitist arrogance, Christie spent the weekend with his family at an official residence in a state park that had otherwise been closed to the public by his own executive order. Asked about the double standard, he replied, “That’s just the way it goes. Run for governor and you can have a residence there.” In Maine, Republican Governor Paul LePage ordered the first statewide shutdown of government services since 1991 after the legislature failed to bow to his demand that it adopt a new, two-year, $7 billion budget without any tax increases. In a brazenly antidemocratic action, LePage and Democratic and Republican state legislators had already agreed that the new budget would repeal a measure approved last November by the votes of more than 357,000 people in a statewide referendum. The referendum imposed an additional three percent income tax on the wealthiest state residents—those who make more than $200,000 a year—to increase funding for public education. The biggest deficit, and potentially the biggest political crisis, is in Illinois, the fifth-largest US state, home to more than 12 million people, which entered its third year without a budget, amid warnings that the state’s credit rating could be reduced to junk status. Republican Governor Bruce Rauner has not signed a budget into law since he was elected in November 2014, not because the Democrats, who control the state legislature, object to massive budget cuts—they are more than willing—but because Rauner has insisted on incorporating into any budget his “Turnaround Agenda.” This includes a right-wing wish list slashing workers’ compensation benefits and pensions, attacking contract bargaining rights for unionized workers, limiting product liability and negligence lawsuits against corporations, and imposing term limits for state legislators. The Democrats oppose this in large measure because they rely on campaign funds from the major unions. The state has staggered on from year to year with stopgap partial budgets that have provided limited funding to state colleges and universities, forcing widespread layoffs and cutbacks. Unpaid bills now top $15 billion, and some state-subsidized agencies serving the poor, the homeless and the mentally disabled have been forced to close their doors. The state comptroller has warned of “unmanageable financial strains” beginning this month if no budget adopted and signed by the governor. There are three major factors underlying the fiscal crisis at the state level: continuing economic stagnation nationally, which undermines state tax collections under conditions where nearly every state is constitutionally barred from running a deficit; the soaring cost of health care, with Medicaid, the joint federal-state health insurance program for the poor and disabled, constituting the largest single element in every state budget; and the impending bankruptcy of pension plans for public employees, both state employees and public school employees. Each of these is a manifestation of the deep-going crisis of American and world capitalism. Despite claims to the contrary by both Obama and Trump, there is no economic “recovery” for working people in the United States. Demand for state social services is continually increasing along with mounting social need. Medicaid has long been labeled a time bomb for state budgets, and the Obamacare repeal legislation now before the US Senate will detonate it by cutting back federal support for the program by $772 billion over ten years. States will either slash their Medicaid rolls to near zero or face enormous and growing demands to increase their contribution to the program as the federal share (now 60-40) is slashed dramatically. The crisis in state employee pension funds has also been building up for a long period of time, with the state governments routinely deferring mandatory contributions to the pension funds with the collaboration of the unions, including state employee unions such as the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) and the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), and the teachers unions, the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) and the National Education Association (NEA). State governments run by both capitalist parties, Democratic and Republican, have been robbing state workers of their pensions little by little to finance tax cuts for the wealthy and big business. Now both parties, as in Illinois, are seeking to make use of the fiscal crisis to go all the way and abolish pensions for state workers and teachers altogether. In many ways, Democratic state and local officials have outpaced even their Republican counterparts in attacking public worker pensions and other benefits. It was the Democratic-controlled state government in California that pushed through an increase in the retirement age for state workers from 55 to 67. And it was the Obama administration, working through a Democratic lawyer, Kevyn Orr, appointed emergency financial manager of Detroit by a Republican governor, which tore up the constitutionally protected pensions of Detroit public employees as part of the city’s court-supervised bankruptcy. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 3 12:07:37 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 12:07:37 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Karen I was just informed that now one only needs their DL going to or from Canada, though if one has a passport they might want to take it, to be on the safe side. In the seventies, when protesting, sitting in, whatever, I was often told to get a job which was ironic, given I was a student, and had as many as two or three at a time. On Jul 3, 2017, at 04:59, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss > wrote: Anne and Karen, If i remember correctly, the US started requiring passports at the Canadian border on this side. As a reaction to this, Canada decided that if the US was going to do this to them they would do the same to the US. Many US citizens cross into their country and expect to not need a passport. Around 2005 is when the US started requiring passports... see this article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28188-2005Apr5.html The most common criticism i have heard at demonstrations is "get a job" which makes me laugh at the irony. They are driving down the street on a Saturday afternoon and are not set their jobs either. -Karen Medina -------- Original message -------- From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > Date: 7/2/17 19:30 (GMT-06:00) To: bjornsona at ameritech.net Cc: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade Anne We get a lot of horn honks, and a lot of positive comments from people, when demonstrating, some people take our photo’s which I find amusing, as if we are an anachronism. Of course, on occasion some of us get a few fingers and fu’s, or verbal attacks, but we usually have a laugh over that, and in comparison to the positive comments and conversations, it’s nothing. Join us when you get back to town. PS Let me know how your crossing the border to Canada goes, I’ve been told you need your passport, when going to and from Canada, since 9/11, I wonder if that is still true? On Jul 2, 2017, at 17:11, bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss > wrote: I hope to be in Canada. Will be finding out what returning thru a border is like for a white, cis, older couple. Just got to see the Rivera murals in the Detroit Institute of Art for the first time. So taking time off to re-charge. There was a protest in downtown Detroit Sunday July 2. We honked and waved to show support going by. We did not know about it ahead of time and it was mostly over by 330. Anne Bjornson Parkinson Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ------ Original message------ From: Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Date: Sun, Jul 2, 2017 5:46 PM To: David Johnson; Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade I’m willing to talk, but even those who claim to be anti-capitalist can’t be bothered to join our AWARE anti-war movement, we’re the only group in town without a political agenda, other than stopping war and funding programs to eleviate poverty. On Jul 2, 2017, at 14:39, David Johnson > wrote: Maybe we should begin plans for 2018, with a coalition of anti-war / anti-capitalist people from many of C-U’s organizations. David J. From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:10 PM To: David Johnson Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade Stuart will be marching with the Immigration Forum, he said they are protesting against the USG. I have nothing creative to offer, but you might check with David Green, he has our signs and he might be going. There really isn’t anyone else to make much of a contingent. On Jul 2, 2017, at 13:59, David Johnson > wrote: I understand Karen and Carl, but it is a shame, considering the past years AWARE presence in the parade and it’s creative and powerful anti-war ; float / procession / theme. Out of sight, out of mind ! David J. From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 3:25 PM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade I won’t be going either, and its not just due to the heat, and my asthma There is little to celebrate with the continued injustice towards the working class, with the lack of healthcare, murder of people of color by our militarized police, continuing austerity and most of all the continuation of murders and destruction of millions around the globe, being perpetuated by the USG. We should be protesting, and some of us did yesterday. On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ====================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. 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It’s the first time in two years the body has approved such a plan.The revenue portion of the budget, including a permanent income tax hike, passed on a 72-45 vote, with 15 Republicans voting in favor. The spending portion of the budget passed out of the House on a vote of 81-34.Unfortunately, this budget plan is no cause for celebration.The plan is defined by a massive, 32 percent income tax hike on Illinois residents, who are now witnessing the nation’s worst income growth. If signed into law, the House plan will hike the state income tax rate to 4.95 percent from 3.75 percent, and the corporate income tax rate will rise to 7 percent from 5.25 percent.The budget package is devoid of any structural spending reforms to slow growth in the cost of government: It lacks comprehensive property tax reform, constitutional pension reform, collective bargaining reform, reforms to Medicaid and more.The spending bill has also been described as “booby trapped” in that it blocks money for schools unless Gov. Bruce Rauner signs an evidence-based school funding bill into law. This inaptly named education funding model has been a failure in every state in which it has been adopted.Illinoisans may recall the 2011 temporary income tax hike, which also took a tax-hike-without-reform approach. Despite $32 billion in extra tax revenue, the state’s unpaid bill backlog only declined by $1.3 billion (to $6.6 billion from $7.9 billion), and pension debt rose by $25 billion.This time, the tax hike is permanent.The budget bills now head to the Senate. If approved, they will then go to the governor’s desk.However, Rauner announced he will veto the budget in its current form.Lawmakers could override the governor’s veto with a three-fifths majority vote in each of the House and Senate, which is currently the same share it takes to send the budget to the governor’s desk in the first place.Below is the roll call for Senate Bill 9, which contains the permanent income tax hike.Democrats voting yes (57): Ammons, Andrade, Arroyo, Beiser, D. Burke, K. Burke, Cassidy, Chapa LaVia, Conroy, Conyears-Ervin, Crespo, Currie, D'Amico, Davis, DeLuca, Drury, Evans, Feigenholtz, Fine, Flowers, Ford, Gabel, Gordon-Booth, Greenwood, Guzzardi, Harper, G. Harris, Hernandez, Hoffman, Hurley, Jones, Kifowit, Lang, Lilly, Madigan, Mah, Martwick, C. Mitchell, Moeller, Nekritz, Phelps, Riley, Rita, Sente, Sims, Slaughter, Soto, Stratton, Tabares, Thapedi, Turner, Wallace, Walsh, Welch, Williams, Willis, Zalewski.Republicans voting yes (15): Andersson, Bryant, Cavaletto, Davidsmeyer, Fortner, Hammond, D. Harris, Hays, Jimenez, Meier, B. Mitchell, Phillips, Pritchard, Reis, Unes.Democrats voting no (10): Connor, Costello, Halpin, Manley, Mayfield, Moylan, Mussman, Scherer, Stuart, Yingling.Republicans voting no (35): Batinick, Bellock, Bennett, Bourne, Brady, Breen, Butler, Cabello, Demmer, Durkin, Frese, Halbrook, Ives, Jesiel, Long, McAuliffe, McCombie, McDermed, McSweeney, Morrison, Olsen, Parkhurst, Reick, Sauer, Severin, Skillicorn, Sommer, Sosnowski, Spain, Stewart, Swanson, Wehrli, Welter, B. Wheeler, K. Wheeler.Republicans not voting (1): Winger (excused absence). | | | | Austin Berg Senior Writer | | | | | | | | | | Share | | | | | | | Tweet | | | | | | | Forward | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | This email was sent to divisek at yahoo.com why did I get this?    unsubscribe from this list    update subscription preferences Illinois Policy · 190 S. 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Description: Image removed by sender. Photo by DVIDSHUB | CC BY 2.0 Nazareth. If you wish to understand the degree to which a supposedly free western media are constructing a world of half-truths and deceptions to manipulate their audiences, keeping us uninformed and pliant, then there could hardly be a better case study than their treatment of Pulitzer prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh. All of these highly competitive, for-profit, scoop-seeking media outlets separately took identical decisions: first to reject Hersh’s latest investigative report, and then to studiously ignore it once it was published in Germany last Sunday. They have continued to maintain an absolute radio silence on his revelations, even as over the past few days they have given a great deal of attention to two stories on the very issue Hersh’s investigation addresses. These two stories, given such prominence in the western media, are clearly intended to serve as “spoilers” to his revelations, even though none of these publications have actually informed their readers of his original investigation. We are firmly in looking-glass territory. So what did Hersh’s investigation reveal? His sources in the US intelligence establishment – people who have helped him break some of the most important stories of the past few decades, from the Mai Lai massacre by American soldiers during the Vietnam war to US abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib in 2004 – told him the official narrative that Syria’s Bashar Assad had dropped deadly sarin gas on the town of Khan Sheikhoun on April 4 was incorrect. Instead, they said, a Syrian plane dropped a bomb on a meeting of jihadi fighters that triggered secondary explosions in a storage depot, releasing a toxic cloud of chemicals that killed civilians nearby. It is an alternative narrative of these events that one might have assumed would be of intense interest to the media, given that Donald Trump approved a military strike on Syria based on the official narrative. Hersh’s version suggests that Trump acted against the intelligence advice he received from his own officials, in a highly dangerous move that not only grossly violated international law but might have dragged Assad’s main ally, Russia, into the fray. The Syrian arena has the potential to trigger a serious confrontation between the world’s two major nuclear powers. But, in fact, the western media were supremely uninterested in the story. Hersh, once considered the journalist’s journalist, went hawking his investigation around the US and UK media to no avail. In the end, he could find a home for his revelations only in Germany, in the publication Welt am Sonntag. There are a couple of possible, even if highly improbable, reasons all English-language publications ignored Hersh’s story. Maybe they had evidence that his inside intelligence was wrong. If so, they have yet to provide it. A rebuttal would require acknowledging Hersh’s story, and none seem willing to do that. Or maybe the media thought it was old news and would no longer interest their readers. It would be difficult to sustain such an interpretation, but at least it has an air of plausibility – except for everything that has happened since Hersh published last Sunday. His story has spawned two clear “spoiler” responses from those desperate to uphold the official narrative. Hersh’s revelations may have been entirely uninteresting to the western media, but strangely they have sent Washington into crisis mode. Of course, no US official has addressed Hersh’s investigation directly, which might have drawn attention to it and forced western media to reference it. Instead Washington has sought to deflect attention from Hersh’s alternative narrative and shore up the official one through misdirection. That alone should raise the alarm that we are being manipulated, not informed. The first spoiler, made in the immediate wake of Hersh’s story, were statements from the Pentagon and White House warning that the US had evidence Assad was planning yet another chemical attack on his people and that Washington would respond extremely harshly if he did so. Here is how the Guardian reported the US threats: The US said on Tuesday that it had observed preparations for a possible chemical weapons attack at a Syrian air base allegedly involved in a sarin attack in April following a warning from the White House that the Syrian regime would ‘pay a heavy price’ for further use of the weapons. And then on Friday, the second spoiler emerged. Two unnamed diplomats “ confirmed” that a report by the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) had found that some of the victims from Khan Sheikhoun showed signs of poisoning by sarin or sarin-like substances. There are obvious reasons to be mightily suspicious of these stories. The findings of the OPCW were already known and had been discussed for some time – there was absolutely nothing newsworthy about them. There are also well-known problems with the findings. There was no “chain of custody” – neutral oversight – of the bodies that were presented to the organisation in Turkey, as Scott Ritter, a former weapons inspector in Iraq, has noted. Any number of interested parties could have contaminated the bodies before they reached the OPCW. For that reason, the OPCW has not concluded that the Assad regime was responsible for the traces of sarin. In the world of real news, only such a finding – that Assad was responsible – should have made the OPCW report interesting again to the media. Similarly, by going public with their threats against Assad, the Pentagon and White House did not increase the deterrence on Assad, making it less likely he would use gas in the future. That could have been achieved much more effectively with private warnings to the Russians, who have massive leverage over Assad. These new warnings were meant not for Assad but for western publics, to bolster the official narrative that Hersh’s investigation had thrown into doubt. In fact, the US threats increase, rather than reduce, the chances of a new chemical weapons attack. Other, anti-Assad actors now have a strong incentive to use chemical weapons in false-flag operation to implicate Assad, knowing that the US has committed itself to intervention. On any reading, the US statements were reckless – or malicious – in the extreme and likely to bring about the exact opposite of what they were supposed to achieve. But beyond this, there was something even more troubling about these two stories. That these official claims were published so unthinkingly in major outlets is bad enough. But what is unconscionable is the media’s continuing blackout of Hersh’s investigation when it speaks directly to the two latest news reports. No serious journalist could write up either story, according to any accepted norms of journalistic practice, and not make reference to Hersh’s claims. They are absolutely relevant to these stories. In fact, more than that, the intelligence sources he cites are are not only relevant but are the reason these two stories have been suddenly propelled to the top of the news agenda. Any publication that has covered either the White House-Pentagon threats or the rehashing of the OPCW report and has not mentioned Hersh’s revelations is writing nothing less than propaganda in service of a western foreign policy agenda trying to bring about the illegal overthrow the Syrian government. And so far that appears to include every single US and UK mainstream newspaper and TV station. Join the debate on Facebook -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ~WRD000.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Mildred O'brien [mailto:moboct1 at aim.com] Sent: Monday, July 03, 2017 8:46 AM To: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade Good suggestion! "Salute to Education"--"Freedom" theme--so long as it's the Right education (propaganda) Question for you, David: Is the Labor Hour still on the air on at 104.8? I haven't been able to get it for the last couple of Saturdays, only the Jewish (AIPAC I suppose) program that takes up the entire band from 103-105. It comes in LOUD and clear. I just listen a few minutes while trying to find Labor Hr and they're spewing all kinds of Israeli propaganda and revision history. You should try to tape it and listen to sometime--it's a hoot. And it may be violating your airspace and if so should be prosecuted (good luck in this community!). I appreciate your discussions with Gus and Bill and hope you're not off the air for long. Midge -----Original Message----- From: David Johnson via Peace-discuss To: 'Karen Aram' ; peace-discuss Sent: Sun, Jul 2, 2017 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade Maybe we should begin plans for 2018, with a coalition of anti-war / anti-capitalist people from many of C-U’s organizations. David J. From: Karen Aram [mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com ] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:10 PM To: David Johnson Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade Stuart will be marching with the Immigration Forum, he said they are protesting against the USG. I have nothing creative to offer, but you might check with David Green, he has our signs and he might be going. There really isn’t anyone else to make much of a contingent. On Jul 2, 2017, at 13:59, David Johnson wrote: I understand Karen and Carl, but it is a shame, considering the past years AWARE presence in the parade and it’s creative and powerful anti-war ; float / procession / theme. Out of sight, out of mind ! David J. From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace-discuss Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 3:25 PM To: C. G. Estabrook Cc: peace at lists.chambana.net; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade I won’t be going either, and its not just due to the heat, and my asthma There is little to celebrate with the continued injustice towards the working class, with the lack of healthcare, murder of people of color by our militarized police, continuing austerity and most of all the continuation of murders and destruction of millions around the globe, being perpetuated by the USG. We should be protesting, and some of us did yesterday. On Jul 2, 2017, at 12:34, C. G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: “Champaign County. Freedom Celebration, ‘Salute To Education,’ includes a morning Youth Race and a 5K Race/walk, a parade at 11:05 a.m. begins near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. Evening entertainment at 7 p.m., corner of Kirby Avenue and First Street. Fireworks at 9:15 p.m., lunched [sic] from UI parking lot E14, west of State Farm Center.” [C-U News-Gazette] ====================================== AWARE has in years past been a notable presence in the July 4th parade in Champaign-Urbana. Talented AWAREists have presented anti-war floats and displays, often mocking the official patriotic themes of the event. (One AWARE entry under a ‘war heroes’ theme featured huge photos of courageous war resisters.) But I’ve been convinced by Doug, long-time friend of AWARE, that any participation in the celebration of the shockingly misnamed “war of independence” lends support to the heavily mythologized tradition of America’s ‘good wars.’ None of them was good, including the ‘war against fascism,’ used by US propaganda to justify imperialist war from 1945 to the present day. The poets often get there first: see Philip K. Dick’s “The Man in the High Castle” (1962) - a literary meditation, as in a distorting mirror, of how war can be used to justify further war. More directly, in “Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization” (2008), Nicholson Baker provides the history of the coming of WWII: Americans born since then have been systematically deprived of an historically accurate account - and not innocently, but to support Americas' subsequent wars. We miseducated Americans have allowed US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. In a lecture more than 40 years ago, just as the repressive policies of neoliberalism began to be adopted by all subsequent administrations (criticizing it made Trump president), the late Howard Zinn exposed the Fourth of July mythology. See the appended article, “Rethinking the Fourth of July,” with references to the important observations of historians Ray Raphael and Gerald Horne. I don’t now see how I can oppose the propaganda of the Fourth of July celebrations and still participate, even in a critical way. 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Estabrook) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 12:48:01 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fw: permanent icome tax increase In-Reply-To: <2001408113.3392113.1499094281469@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7fe208d3c85ffa1d03aeaade4.d98bbb7413.20170703042107.6ddb14d730.b4ce0b01@mail223.atl221.rsgsv.net> <2001408113.3392113.1499094281469@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0998FB78-82E5-4F83-9841-58700B2DD547@illinois.edu> Democrats in the Illinois legislature preferred raising income taxes to establishing the sorts of tax - e.g., a financial transaction tax (LaSalle St. tax); a wealth tax - that would annoy the 1%. Demand taxes that reduce growing and accelerating inequality. Don't vote for incumbents of either party unless they agree. —CGE > On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Dianna Visek via Peace-discuss wrote: > > On Sunday, July 2, 2017 11:33 PM, Austin Berg wrote: > > The Illinois House of Representatives passed a full-year budget July 2. It’s the first time in two years the body has approved such a plan. > The revenue portion of the budget, including a permanent income tax hike, passed on a 72-45 vote, with 15 Republicans voting in favor. The spending portion of the budget passed out of the House on a vote of 81-34. > Unfortunately, this budget plan is no cause for celebration. > The plan is defined by a massive, 32 percent income tax hike on Illinois residents, who are now witnessing the nation’s worst income growth. If signed into law, the House plan will hike the state income tax rate to 4.95 percent from 3.75 percent, and the corporate income tax rate will rise to 7 percent from 5.25 percent. > The budget package is devoid of any structural spending reforms to slow growth in the cost of government: It lacks comprehensive property tax reform, constitutional pension reform, collective bargaining reform, reforms to Medicaid and more. > The spending bill has also been described as “booby trapped” in that it blocks money for schools unless Gov. Bruce Rauner signs an evidence-based school funding bill into law. This inaptly named education funding model has been a failure in every state in which it has been adopted. > Illinoisans may recall the 2011 temporary income tax hike, which also took a tax-hike-without-reform approach. Despite $32 billion in extra tax revenue, the state’s unpaid bill backlog only declined by $1.3 billion (to $6.6 billion from $7.9 billion), and pension debt rose by $25 billion. > This time, the tax hike is permanent. > The budget bills now head to the Senate. If approved, they will then go to the governor’s desk. > However, Rauner announced he will veto the budget in its current form. > Lawmakers could override the governor’s veto with a three-fifths majority vote in each of the House and Senate, which is currently the same share it takes to send the budget to the governor’s desk in the first place. > Below is the roll call for Senate Bill 9, which contains the permanent income tax hike. > Democrats voting yes (57): Ammons, Andrade, Arroyo, Beiser, D. Burke, K. Burke, Cassidy, Chapa LaVia, Conroy, Conyears-Ervin, Crespo, Currie, D'Amico, Davis, DeLuca, Drury, Evans, Feigenholtz, Fine, Flowers, Ford, Gabel, Gordon-Booth, Greenwood, Guzzardi, Harper, G. Harris, Hernandez, Hoffman, Hurley, Jones, Kifowit, Lang, Lilly, Madigan, Mah, Martwick, C. Mitchell, Moeller, Nekritz, Phelps, Riley, Rita, Sente, Sims, Slaughter, Soto, Stratton, Tabares, Thapedi, Turner, Wallace, Walsh, Welch, Williams, Willis, Zalewski. > Republicans voting yes (15): Andersson, Bryant, Cavaletto, Davidsmeyer, Fortner, Hammond, D. Harris, Hays, Jimenez, Meier, B. Mitchell, Phillips, Pritchard, Reis, Unes. > Democrats voting no (10): Connor, Costello, Halpin, Manley, Mayfield, Moylan, Mussman, Scherer, Stuart, Yingling. > Republicans voting no (35): Batinick, Bellock, Bennett, Bourne, Brady, Breen, Butler, Cabello, Demmer, Durkin, Frese, Halbrook, Ives, Jesiel, Long, McAuliffe, McCombie, McDermed, McSweeney, Morrison, Olsen, Parkhurst, Reick, Sauer, Severin, Skillicorn, Sommer, Sosnowski, Spain, Stewart, Swanson, Wehrli, Welter, B. Wheeler, K. Wheeler. > Republicans not voting (1): Winger (excused absence). > > Austin Berg > Senior Writer From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Mon Jul 3 18:15:29 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 13:15:29 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fw: permanent icome tax increase In-Reply-To: <0998FB78-82E5-4F83-9841-58700B2DD547@illinois.edu> References: <7fe208d3c85ffa1d03aeaade4.d98bbb7413.20170703042107.6ddb14d730.b4ce0b01@mail223.atl221.rsgsv.net> <2001408113.3392113.1499094281469@mail.yahoo.com> <0998FB78-82E5-4F83-9841-58700B2DD547@illinois.edu> Message-ID: State Senator Daniel Biss, who is a Democratic candidate for governor, is a cosponsor of SB1970, the Financial Transactions Tax/LaSalle St. Tax bill. http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/BillStatus.asp?DocNum=1970&GAID=14&DocTypeID=SB&LegId=105339&SessionID=91 Bill Status of SB1970 100th General Assembly Short Description: FINANCIAL TRANSACTION TAX Senate Sponsors Sen. Omar Aquino - Jacqueline Y. Collins - Ira I. Silverstein, Cristina Castro, Daniel Biss, Iris Y. Martinez and Patricia Van Pelt [...] Synopsis As Introduced Creates the Financial Transaction Tax Act. Imposes a tax on the privilege of engaging in a financial transaction that occurs, is effectuated, consummated, executed, or cleared at a facility located in the State. Provides that the tax is imposed at a rate of $1 per contract for all transactions for which the underlying asset is an agricultural product and $2 per contract for all other contracts. Effective immediately. Actions Date Chamber Action 2/10/2017 Senate Filed with Secretary by Sen. Omar Aquino 2/10/2017 Senate First Reading 2/10/2017 Senate Referred to Assignments 2/28/2017 Senate Added as Co-Sponsor Sen. Cristina Castro 3/14/2017 Senate Added as Chief Co-Sponsor Sen. Jacqueline Y. Collins 3/15/2017 Senate Added as Co-Sponsor Sen. Daniel Biss 3/16/2017 Senate Added as Chief Co-Sponsor Sen. Ira I. Silverstein 4/5/2017 Senate Added as Co-Sponsor Sen. Iris Y. Martinez 4/21/2017 Senate Added as Co-Sponsor Sen. Patricia Van Pelt === Financial Transactions Tax (LaSalle St. Tax) http://www.faireconomyillinois.org/financial-transactions-tax-lasalle-st-tax/ Tax “LaSalle Street” to Meet Human Needs. Co-sponsor SB 1970 (1 ) What is a “LaSalle Street” Tax? A “LaSalle Street Tax” or financial transactions tax (FTT) is a very small tax on the trading (buying/selling) of financial assets such as stocks, bonds, currencies and derivatives (futures and options) based on these assets. It is essentially a sales tax, such as when we buy/sell shoes or computers. “LaSalle Street” has come to mean the financial/trading district, the “Wall Street’ of the Midwest. (2) Why Illinois? Illinois has two of the largest financial markets in the world, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME) and the Chicago Board Options Exchange (CBOE). Each year the value of products traded on these two exchanges totals well over $900 trillion. (3) How would a LaSalle Street tax (LST) work in Illinois? Proposals for a LaSalle Street Tax that have been submitted to the Illinois State Legislature call a $1/contract fee on all agricultural futures and options traded on these two exchanges and a $2/contract fee on all other futures, futures options and options traded on these two exchanges with the exception of options on individual stocks. Average contract size at these exchanges is more than $225,000, so this tax amounts to less than 2/1000 of a percent of average contract value. (4) That doesn’t sound like a very big tax – would the LST raise much money? Yes, the tax rate is very low but, because the amount of trading is so large, the proposal would raise between $10 and S12 billion per year for Illinois. (5) Wow! But can the exchanges afford to pay this tax? Wouldn’t they move? The LST is not a tax on the exchanges; they don’t trade. It is a tax on the buyers and sellers of futures and options contracts traded in the exchanges. The exchanges would simply act like the hardware store that collects the sales tax when you buy a hammer. And then sends the tax to the State of Illinois. (6) Are there any experiences with Financial Transactions Taxes in other parts of the world? The United Kingdom, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Australia, France, and Singapore have such taxes. These are all large markets, the tax had been in place for years without hurting these markets, and exchanges have not moved away. In addition, 10 European countries are working toward implementing an FTT in late 2017. (7) I don’t know anyone who trades on the CME and CBOE. Who are they? Can they afford this tax? Few of us know anyone who trades on these exchanges, because the vast majority of trading is done by large banks, hedge funds — financial institutions in general — other large businesses, and wealthy individuals. None of these would be hurt significantly by the proposed LST. There would be a reduction in what is called “high frequency trading,” where traders buy and sell the same contract within seconds but reducing such trading will not harm the economy. In fact, these high frequency trades are considered destabilizing gambling, so it would amount to a ‘sin tax.’ (8) Would these traders move to another exchange? The products that are proposed to be taxed are not traded on any other exchange. In addition, some of the products that would be taxed, such as the S&P 500 index futures and options, are exclusively licensed to these two exchanges. While another exchange could seek regulatory approval to trade some of the other products, doing so would take some period of time. Moving trading liquidity from one market to another is extremely difficult. Once an exchange has captured all the volume in a product, it is difficult for a later entry to establish a market that is attractive to traders. (9) You compared the LST to the state sales tax. That’s 6.25%, right? How does the LST compare? The LST rate is much, much lower than the 6.25% for the Illinois state sales tax. While the LST rate would vary depending on the size of the different contracts, here are some representative figures. For example, the size of an S&P 500 index futures contract is currently about $100,000. If a trader bought and then later sold the index futures contract, the total tax on the $100,000 would be $4 ($2 to buy and $2 to sell), or 0.004% — less than 1/10th of the sales tax that you pay. Another example: a soybean futures contract is for 5000 bushels. When soybeans are selling for $7/bushel, the value of the contract is $35,000. Since soybeans are an agricultural product, the LST for both buying and later selling a contract would be $2 ($1 to buy and $1 to sell), or 0.006%, again less than 1/10th of the sales tax we pay. (10) OK, how could we use the money raised by the LST? There are many good uses of this revenue. Illinois could reverse decades of underfunding and understaffing of Human Services and human needs. It could boost funding for public education (today Illinois ranks last in state share of funding for education). It could be used, at least in part, to make up for the decades long failure of the Illinois legislature to keep their promise to fund the pensions of teachers and other public employees. Illinois could fund thousands of jobs preserving the environment, improving energy efficiency, rebuilding public infrastructure, etc. (11) Sure it’s a great idea, but will it fly politically? LaSalle Street Traders and Wall Street banksters have lots of money to throw into opposing this idea, so many politicians are leery … but voters like it. When asked in a ballot referendum, Chicago north side voters supported the Financial Transactions Tax by a margin of 3-1. IL state senator Omar Aquino has proposed the tax by introducing SB 1970. It’s been called the most popular tax in history. === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Democrats in the Illinois legislature preferred raising income taxes to > establishing the sorts of tax - e.g., a financial transaction tax (LaSalle > St. tax); a wealth tax - that would annoy the 1%. > > Demand taxes that reduce growing and accelerating inequality. Don't vote > for incumbents of either party unless they agree. > > —CGE > > > On Jul 3, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Dianna Visek via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > On Sunday, July 2, 2017 11:33 PM, Austin Berg < > digital at illinoispolicy.org> wrote: > > > > The Illinois House of Representatives passed a full-year budget July 2. > It’s the first time in two years the body has approved such a plan. > > The revenue portion of the budget, including a permanent income tax > hike, passed on a 72-45 vote, with 15 Republicans voting in favor. The > spending portion of the budget passed out of the House on a vote of 81-34. > > Unfortunately, this budget plan is no cause for celebration. > > The plan is defined by a massive, 32 percent income tax hike on Illinois > residents, who are now witnessing the nation’s worst income growth. If > signed into law, the House plan will hike the state income tax rate to 4.95 > percent from 3.75 percent, and the corporate income tax rate will rise to 7 > percent from 5.25 percent. > > The budget package is devoid of any structural spending reforms to slow > growth in the cost of government: It lacks comprehensive property tax > reform, constitutional pension reform, collective bargaining reform, > reforms to Medicaid and more. > > The spending bill has also been described as “booby trapped” in that it > blocks money for schools unless Gov. Bruce Rauner signs an evidence-based > school funding bill into law. This inaptly named education funding model > has been a failure in every state in which it has been adopted. > > Illinoisans may recall the 2011 temporary income tax hike, which also > took a tax-hike-without-reform approach. Despite $32 billion in extra tax > revenue, the state’s unpaid bill backlog only declined by $1.3 billion (to > $6.6 billion from $7.9 billion), and pension debt rose by $25 billion. > > This time, the tax hike is permanent. > > The budget bills now head to the Senate. If approved, they will then go > to the governor’s desk. > > However, Rauner announced he will veto the budget in its current form. > > Lawmakers could override the governor’s veto with a three-fifths > majority vote in each of the House and Senate, which is currently the same > share it takes to send the budget to the governor’s desk in the first place. > > Below is the roll call for Senate Bill 9, which contains the permanent > income tax hike. > > Democrats voting yes (57): Ammons, Andrade, Arroyo, Beiser, D. Burke, K. > Burke, Cassidy, Chapa LaVia, Conroy, Conyears-Ervin, Crespo, Currie, > D'Amico, Davis, DeLuca, Drury, Evans, Feigenholtz, Fine, Flowers, Ford, > Gabel, Gordon-Booth, Greenwood, Guzzardi, Harper, G. Harris, Hernandez, > Hoffman, Hurley, Jones, Kifowit, Lang, Lilly, Madigan, Mah, Martwick, C. > Mitchell, Moeller, Nekritz, Phelps, Riley, Rita, Sente, Sims, Slaughter, > Soto, Stratton, Tabares, Thapedi, Turner, Wallace, Walsh, Welch, Williams, > Willis, Zalewski. > > Republicans voting yes (15): Andersson, Bryant, Cavaletto, Davidsmeyer, > Fortner, Hammond, D. Harris, Hays, Jimenez, Meier, B. Mitchell, Phillips, > Pritchard, Reis, Unes. > > Democrats voting no (10): Connor, Costello, Halpin, Manley, Mayfield, > Moylan, Mussman, Scherer, Stuart, Yingling. > > Republicans voting no (35): Batinick, Bellock, Bennett, Bourne, Brady, > Breen, Butler, Cabello, Demmer, Durkin, Frese, Halbrook, Ives, Jesiel, > Long, McAuliffe, McCombie, McDermed, McSweeney, Morrison, Olsen, Parkhurst, > Reick, Sauer, Severin, Skillicorn, Sommer, Sosnowski, Spain, Stewart, > Swanson, Wehrli, Welter, B. Wheeler, K. 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By Norman Solomon Any truthful way to say it will sound worse than ghastly: We live in a world where one person could decide to begin a nuclear war — quickly killing several hundred million people and condemning vast numbers of others to slower painful deaths. [https://consortiumnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/d1a839198c7c40419c7fbada5893ad52-300x290.jpg] Illustration by Chesley Bonestell of nuclear bombs detonating over New York City, entitled “Hiroshima U.S.A.” Colliers, Aug. 5, 1950. Given the macabre insanity of this ongoing situation, most people don’t like to talk about it or even think about it. In that zone of denial, U.S. news media keep detouring around a crucial reality: No matter what you think of Donald Trump or Vladimir Putin, they hold the whole world in their hands with a nuclear button. If the presidents of the United States and Russia spiral into escalating conflicts between the two countries, the world is much more likely to blow up. Yet many American critics of Trump have gotten into baiting him as Putin’s flunky while goading him to prove otherwise. A new barrage of that baiting and goading is now about to begin — taking aim at any wisps of possible détente — in connection with the announced meeting between Trump and Putin at the G-20 summit in Germany at the end of this week. Big picture: This moment in human history is not about Trump. It’s not about Putin. It’s not about whether you despise either or neither or both. What’s at stake in the dynamics between them is life on this planet. Over the weekend, more than 10,000 people signed a petition under the heading “Tell Trump and Putin: Negotiate, Don’t Escalate.” The petition was written by RootsAction to be concise and to the point: “We vehemently urge you to take a constructive approach to your planned meeting at the G-20 summit. Whatever our differences, we must reduce rather than increase the risks of nuclear war. The future of humanity is at stake.” A war between the world’s two nuclear superpowers could extinguish human life on a gigantic scale while plunging the Earth into cataclysmic “nuclear winter.” “Recent scientific studies have found that a war fought with the deployed U.S. and Russian nuclear arsenals would leave Earth virtually uninhabitable,” wrote Steven Starr, a senior scientist with Physicians for Social Responsibility. “In fact, NASA computer models have shown that even a ‘successful’ first strike by Washington or Moscow would inflict catastrophic environmental damage that would make agriculture impossible and cause mass starvation.” The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists explains why, since last year, it has moved the risk-estimate “Doomsday Clock” even closer to apocalyptic midnight — citing as a major factor the escalation of tensions between the U.S. and Russian governments. So, the imminent meeting between Trump and Putin will affect the chances that the young people we love — and so many others around the world — will have a future. And whether later generations will even exist. I put it this way in a recent article for The Nation: “Whatever the truth may be about Russian interference in the U.S. election last year, an overarching truth continues to bind the fates of Russians, Americans and the rest of humanity. No matter how much we might wish to forget or deny it, we are tied together by a fraying thread of relations between two nations that possess 93 percent of the world’s nuclear weapons. Right now it is not popular to say so, but we desperately need each other to enhance the odds of human survival.” In that overall context, stoking hostility toward Russia is, uh, rather short-sighted. Wouldn’t it be much better for the meeting between Trump and Putin to bring Washington and Moscow closer to détente rather than bringing us closer to nuclear annihilation? Norman Solomon is the coordinator of the online activist group RootsAction.org and the executive director of the Institute for Public Accuracy. He is the author of a dozen books including War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 14:56:42 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (Karen Medina) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 09:56:42 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> Message-ID: A friend wrote: I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play Sitting on one's couch is always an option. The 4th of July commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. It is true that some have co-opted it as a celebration of wars that the United States have fought. The theme of the Champaign County celebration is, ‘Salute To Education,’ This theme is particularly important, especially because we as a country fail miserably at education. We, miseducated Americans, continue to allow US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. Let us join together to better education and critical thinking in our country. Or we could sit on our couches. As for me and my house, we will join the parade which begins at 11:05 a.m. near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. I will be walking with the Immigration Forum. Sincerely, Karen Medina -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 19:34:01 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 14:34:01 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade Message-ID: I love you,  Martin and your family!  -Karen Medina -------- Original message --------From: Martin Wolske Date: 7/4/17 12:24 (GMT-06:00) To: Karen Medina Cc: Peace List Subject: Re: [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade Thank you so much for this important insight, and for the response of you and your family!  Martin On Jul 4, 2017 10:00 AM, "Karen Medina via Peace" wrote: A friend wrote: I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play Sitting on one's couch is always an option. The 4th of July commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. It is true that some have co-opted it as a celebration of wars that the United States have fought.  The theme of the Champaign County celebration is, ‘Salute To Education,’ This theme is particularly important, especially because we as a country fail miserably at education. We, miseducated Americans, continue to allow US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. Let us join together to improve education and help people develop critical thinking in our country.   Or we could sit on our couches. As for me and my house, we will join the parade which begins at 11:05 a.m. near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. I will be walking with the Immigration Forum. 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Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > A friend wrote: I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play > Sitting on one's couch is always an option. > > The 4th of July commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of > Independence. It is true that some have co-opted it as a celebration of > wars that the United States have fought. > > The theme of the Champaign County celebration is, ‘Salute To Education,’ > This theme is particularly important, especially because we as a country > fail miserably at education. We, miseducated Americans, continue to allow > US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the > profits of the US 1%. Let us join together to better education and critical > thinking in our country. > > Or we could sit on our couches. > > As for me and my house, we will join the parade which begins at 11:05 a.m. > near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then > proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. I will be walking with the > Immigration Forum. > > Sincerely, > Karen Medina > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jul 4 19:55:49 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 14:55:49 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> Message-ID: From >: ...who’s for illegal immigration? As far as I know … the only people who are openly for illegal immigration are neoliberal economists. First of all, neoliberal economists are completely for open borders, in so far as that’s possible. Friedman said years ago that, “You can’t have a welfare state and open borders,” but of course the point of that was “open the borders, because that’ll kill the welfare state.” There’s a good paper you can get off the web by Gordon Hanson, commissioned by whoever runs Foreign Affairs, and the argument is that illegal immigration is better than legal immigration, because illegal immigration is extremely responsive to market conditions. So it’s quite striking that you have all this protesting against illegal immigration, and especially at a time when it’s down. So why are people so upset about it? They are upset about it not because it has gotten worse, it hasn’t, but because they somehow recognize that one of the primary sort of marks of the triumph of neoliberalism in the US is a very high tolerance of illegal immigration, and that illegal immigration is the kind of ne plus ultra of the labor mobility that neoliberalism requires. I mean that’s why for years — even though it’s a kind of contradiction in terms — as a policy it’s worked well. The Bush administration did everything it could to talk against illegal immigration but leave it alone and I’m sure the Obama administration would do the same thing except its hand’s being forced by the Tea Party. ...Some argue that limiting immigration could help restore the unions and that’s obviously false and I’m certainly not saying that the Tea Party has the diagnosis right. The Tea Party thinks that immigrants are taking away their money. It’s not immigrants who are taking away their money; it’s neoliberalism that’s taking away their money... > On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Was there a count of how many people marched with the Immigration Forum? It seemed like a lot of people. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Tue Jul 4 21:24:17 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 16:24:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> Message-ID: Trump's Muslim ban is an attack on *previously-legal* immigration. He blocked people from coming to the U.S. who had valid U.S. visas, including UN- and US- vetted Syrian and Iraqi refugees. The question of impacts of illegal Mexican immigration on low-wage American workers is complicated. The question of economic impact of legal Syrian and Iraqi migration on low-wage American workers is not complicated. There's no impact. The scale is far too small. It's tears in the rain. Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > From : > > ...who’s for illegal immigration? As far as I know … the only people who > are openly for illegal immigration are neoliberal economists. > > First of all, neoliberal economists are completely for open borders, in so > far as that’s possible. Friedman said years ago that, “You can’t have a > welfare state and open borders,” but of course the point of that was “open > the borders, because that’ll kill the welfare state.” There’s a good paper > > you can get off the web by Gordon Hanson, commissioned by whoever runs Foreign > Affairs, and the argument is that illegal immigration is better than > legal immigration, because illegal immigration is extremely responsive to > market conditions. > > So it’s quite striking that you have all this protesting against illegal > immigration, and especially at a time when it’s down. So why are people so > upset about it? They are upset about it not because it has gotten worse, it > hasn’t, but because they somehow recognize that one of the primary sort of > marks of the triumph of neoliberalism in the US is a very high tolerance of > illegal immigration, and that illegal immigration is the kind of *ne plus > ultra* of the labor mobility that neoliberalism requires. I mean that’s > why for years — even though it’s a kind of contradiction in terms — as a > policy it’s worked well. The Bush administration did everything it could to > talk against illegal immigration but leave it alone and I’m sure the Obama > administration would do the same thing except its hand’s being forced by > the Tea Party. > > ...Some argue that limiting immigration could help restore the unions and > that’s obviously false and I’m certainly not saying that the Tea Party has > the diagnosis right. The Tea Party thinks that immigrants are taking away > their money. It’s not immigrants who are taking away their money; it’s > neoliberalism that’s taking away their money... > > > On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > Was there a count of how many people marched with the Immigration Forum? > It seemed like a lot of people. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Tue Jul 4 21:56:09 2017 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 16:56:09 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade In-Reply-To: <5DE2450B-E047-464A-9694-2904F72DB0CB@illinois.edu> References: <5DE2450B-E047-464A-9694-2904F72DB0CB@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Harry Mickalide and I carried signs in the Immigration Forum contingent of the parade today. They said: Our Wars Displace Millions and Stop the Wars // Welcome the Refugees Another guy carried a sign: From Palestine to Mexico // Border Walls Have Got to Go And Karen Medina carried this one: On 7/4/17 3:03 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: > https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/07/03/what-does-war-generate > > Does PDA’s “single message … not Warfare” include calling for bringing > all US troops (and weapons) home from the Mideast and North Africa? > > Regards, CGE > > >> On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace >> > wrote: >> >> Good for you, Karen! >> >> PDA was in the parade as well, and this year we had a single message: >> Healthcare not Warfare. We were well received by spectators, ranging >> from waving and thumbs up to clapping and cheering. By engaging we >> keep the subjects we care about in the public sphere and we have the >> chance to foster serious discussion and education. >> >> We save what we love, we love what we understand, we understand what >> we learn--the reason education is so vital. >> >> Deb >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Karen Medina via Peace >>> > wrote: >>> >>> A friend wrote: I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play >>> Sitting on one's couch is always an option. >>> >>> The 4th of July commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of >>> Independence. It is true that some have co-opted it as a celebration >>> of wars that the United States have fought. >>> >>> The theme of the Champaign County celebration is, ‘Salute To Education,’ >>> This theme is particularly important, especially because we as a >>> country fail miserably at education. We, miseducated Americans, >>> continue to allow US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million >>> people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. Let us join >>> together to improve education and help people develop critical >>> thinking in our country. >>> >>> Or we could sit on our couches. >>> >>> As for me and my house, we will join the parade which begins at >>> 11:05 a.m. near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to >>> Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. >>> I will be walking with the Immigration Forum. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Karen Medina >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The fact that we have so many highly professional, well-educated, and successful immigrants in our community (and in our country) adds a new twist to this scenario, but these people aren't challenging the rules of the capitalist game, obviously. But they do give the News-Gazette a reason to view them as "model minorities," and we're back to where we started, Horatio Alger 2.0. It's a strange sort of working class movement that alienates and even demonizes most of the working class, both white and black, while identifying itself with the business and professional class, especially those in academia who represent the neoliberal corporate university at its finest. And of course, three years in to the Black Lives Matter movement, not to mention the Ammons tenure, there is no multi-racial class solidarity to be found in the parade procession, to my knowledge. DG On Tue Jul 04 2017 16:24:48 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: Trump's Muslim ban is an attack on previously-legal immigration. He blocked people from coming to the U.S. who had valid U.S. visas, including UN- and US- vetted Syrian and Iraqi refugees.  The question of impacts of illegal Mexican immigration on low-wage American workers is complicated. The question of economic impact of legal Syrian and Iraqi migration on low-wage American workers is not complicated. There's no impact. The scale is far too small. It's tears in the rain.  Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: >From : ...who’s for illegal immigration? As far as I know … the only people who are openly for illegal immigration are neoliberal economists. First of all, neoliberal economists are completely for open borders, in so far as that’s possible. Friedman said years ago that, “You can’t have a welfare state and open borders,” but of course the point of that was “open the borders, because that’ll kill the welfare state.” There’s a good paper you can get off the web by Gordon Hanson, commissioned by whoever runs Foreign Affairs, and the argument is that illegal immigration is better than legal immigration, because illegal immigration is extremely responsive to market conditions. So it’s quite striking that you have all this protesting against illegal immigration, and especially at a time when it’s down. So why are people so upset about it? They are upset about it not because it has gotten worse, it hasn’t, but because they somehow recognize that one of the primary sort of marks of the triumph of neoliberalism in the US is a very high tolerance of illegal immigration, and that illegal immigration is the kind of ne plus ultra of the labor mobility that neoliberalism requires. I mean that’s why for years — even though it’s a kind of contradiction in terms — as a policy it’s worked well. The Bush administration did everything it could to talk against illegal immigration but leave it alone and I’m sure the Obama administration would do the same thing except its hand’s being forced by the Tea Party. ...Some argue that limiting immigration could help restore the unions and that’s obviously false and I’m certainly not saying that the Tea Party has the diagnosis right. The Tea Party thinks that immigrants are taking away their money. It’s not immigrants who are taking away their money; it’s neoliberalism that’s taking away their money... On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: Was there a count of how many people marched with the Immigration Forum? It seemed like a lot of people.  ______________________________ _________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana. net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Tue Jul 4 22:57:07 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 17:57:07 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: <1767838629.4307523.1499207749676@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> <1767838629.4307523.1499207749676@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Immigration is a big show and there's more than one thing in play. It's a strange sort of peace movement that wouldn't stand up for protecting refugees, a basic U.S. government obligation under international law and under U.S. law. A key narrative of the Sanctuary Movement for undocumented Salvadoran and Guatemalan refugees in the 1980s was that the Reagan Administration wasn't complying with U.S. international law obligations on protecting refugees in general and the Refugee Act of 1980 in particular. I find it breathtaking that protecting refugees is something that has to be argued for on this list, rather than being taken as a premise. Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 5:35 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > But what's not complicated is that the "rules" of immigration have always > been worked out by the ruling class in order to disempower the working > class. The fact that we have so many highly professional, > well-educated, and successful immigrants in our community (and in our > country) adds a new twist to this scenario, but these people aren't > challenging the rules of the capitalist game, obviously. But they do give > the News-Gazette a reason to view them as "model minorities," and we're > back to where we started, Horatio Alger 2.0. It's a strange sort of working > class movement that alienates and even demonizes most of the working class, > both white and black, while identifying itself with the business and > professional class, especially those in academia who represent the > neoliberal corporate university at its finest. And of course, three years > in to the Black Lives Matter movement, not to mention the Ammons tenure, > there is no multi-racial class solidarity to be found in the parade > procession, to my knowledge. > > DG > > > On Tue Jul 04 2017 16:24:48 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Robert > Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > Trump's Muslim ban is an attack on *previously-legal* immigration. He > blocked people from coming to the U.S. who had valid U.S. visas, including > UN- and US- vetted Syrian and Iraqi refugees. > > The question of impacts of illegal Mexican immigration on low-wage > American workers is complicated. The question of economic impact of legal > Syrian and Iraqi migration on low-wage American workers is not complicated. > There's no impact. The scale is far too small. It's tears in the rain. > > > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> > > To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > From >: > > ...who’s for illegal immigration? As far as I know … the only people who > are openly for illegal immigration are neoliberal economists. > > First of all, neoliberal economists are completely for open borders, in so > far as that’s possible. Friedman said years ago that, “You can’t have a > welfare state and open borders,” but of course the point of that was “open > the borders, because that’ll kill the welfare state.” There’s a good paper > > you can get off the web by Gordon Hanson, commissioned by whoever runs Foreign > Affairs, and the argument is that illegal immigration is better than > legal immigration, because illegal immigration is extremely responsive to > market conditions. > > So it’s quite striking that you have all this protesting against illegal > immigration, and especially at a time when it’s down. So why are people so > upset about it? They are upset about it not because it has gotten worse, it > hasn’t, but because they somehow recognize that one of the primary sort of > marks of the triumph of neoliberalism in the US is a very high tolerance of > illegal immigration, and that illegal immigration is the kind of *ne plus > ultra* of the labor mobility that neoliberalism requires. I mean that’s > why for years — even though it’s a kind of contradiction in terms — as a > policy it’s worked well. The Bush administration did everything it could to > talk against illegal immigration but leave it alone and I’m sure the Obama > administration would do the same thing except its hand’s being forced by > the Tea Party. > > ...Some argue that limiting immigration could help restore the unions and > that’s obviously false and I’m certainly not saying that the Tea Party has > the diagnosis right. The Tea Party thinks that immigrants are taking away > their money. It’s not immigrants who are taking away their money; it’s > neoliberalism that’s taking away their money... > > > On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss net > wrote: > > Was there a count of how many people marched with the Immigration Forum? > It seemed like a lot of people. > > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana. net > https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jul 4 23:36:11 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 23:36:11 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> <1767838629.4307523.1499207749676@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The best means of supporting the undocumented Champaign, Urbana, is by establishing it as a “Sanctuary City” as Prof. Francis Boyle, and others did in the 80’s. Then updating and revising it with support from CU-Immigration, and others in the community with support from Mayor Pruessing and the Urbana City Council as was done in December 2016. It’s too bad Champaign City Council wasn’t willing to take that first step to legally protect the good citizens of their community, when establishing it as a Sanctuary City, was suggested. On Jul 4, 2017, at 15:57, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss > wrote: Immigration is a big show and there's more than one thing in play. It's a strange sort of peace movement that wouldn't stand up for protecting refugees, a basic U.S. government obligation under international law and under U.S. law. A key narrative of the Sanctuary Movement for undocumented Salvadoran and Guatemalan refugees in the 1980s was that the Reagan Administration wasn't complying with U.S. international law obligations on protecting refugees in general and the Refugee Act of 1980 in particular. I find it breathtaking that protecting refugees is something that has to be argued for on this list, rather than being taken as a premise. Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 5:35 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: But what's not complicated is that the "rules" of immigration have always been worked out by the ruling class in order to disempower the working class. The fact that we have so many highly professional, well-educated, and successful immigrants in our community (and in our country) adds a new twist to this scenario, but these people aren't challenging the rules of the capitalist game, obviously. But they do give the News-Gazette a reason to view them as "model minorities," and we're back to where we started, Horatio Alger 2.0. It's a strange sort of working class movement that alienates and even demonizes most of the working class, both white and black, while identifying itself with the business and professional class, especially those in academia who represent the neoliberal corporate university at its finest. And of course, three years in to the Black Lives Matter movement, not to mention the Ammons tenure, there is no multi-racial class solidarity to be found in the parade procession, to my knowledge. DG On Tue Jul 04 2017 16:24:48 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss > wrote: Trump's Muslim ban is an attack on previously-legal immigration. He blocked people from coming to the U.S. who had valid U.S. visas, including UN- and US- vetted Syrian and Iraqi refugees. The question of impacts of illegal Mexican immigration on low-wage American workers is complicated. The question of economic impact of legal Syrian and Iraqi migration on low-wage American workers is not complicated. There's no impact. The scale is far too small. It's tears in the rain. Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: From >: ...who’s for illegal immigration? As far as I know … the only people who are openly for illegal immigration are neoliberal economists. First of all, neoliberal economists are completely for open borders, in so far as that’s possible. Friedman said years ago that, “You can’t have a welfare state and open borders,” but of course the point of that was “open the borders, because that’ll kill the welfare state.” There’s a good paper you can get off the web by Gordon Hanson, commissioned by whoever runs Foreign Affairs, and the argument is that illegal immigration is better than legal immigration, because illegal immigration is extremely responsive to market conditions. So it’s quite striking that you have all this protesting against illegal immigration, and especially at a time when it’s down. So why are people so upset about it? They are upset about it not because it has gotten worse, it hasn’t, but because they somehow recognize that one of the primary sort of marks of the triumph of neoliberalism in the US is a very high tolerance of illegal immigration, and that illegal immigration is the kind of ne plus ultra of the labor mobility that neoliberalism requires. I mean that’s why for years — even though it’s a kind of contradiction in terms — as a policy it’s worked well. The Bush administration did everything it could to talk against illegal immigration but leave it alone and I’m sure the Obama administration would do the same thing except its hand’s being forced by the Tea Party. ...Some argue that limiting immigration could help restore the unions and that’s obviously false and I’m certainly not saying that the Tea Party has the diagnosis right. The Tea Party thinks that immigrants are taking away their money. It’s not immigrants who are taking away their money; it’s neoliberalism that’s taking away their money... On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss > wrote: Was there a count of how many people marched with the Immigration Forum? 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URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 00:49:33 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 00:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> <1767838629.4307523.1499207749676@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1036012803.4347741.1499215773733@mail.yahoo.com> While I'm clearly supportive of refugees and the sanctuary movement, it's a strange sort of pro-immigrant movement that is not opposed to the neoliberal and neoconservative policies that create refugees and exploit the immigrant working class vs. the citizen working class. On Tue Jul 04 2017 17:57:09 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Robert Naiman wrote: Immigration is a big show and there's more than one thing in play. It's a strange sort of peace movement that wouldn't stand up for protecting refugees, a basic U.S. government obligation under international law and under U.S. law. A key narrative of the Sanctuary Movement for undocumented Salvadoran and Guatemalan refugees in the 1980s was that the Reagan Administration wasn't complying with U.S. international law obligations on protecting refugees in general and the Refugee Act of 1980 in particular. I find it breathtaking that protecting refugees is something that has to be argued for on this list, rather than being taken as a premise.  Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 5:35 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: But what's not complicated is that the "rules" of immigration have always been worked out by the ruling class in order to disempower the working class. The fact that we have so many highly professional, well-educated, and successful immigrants in our community (and in our country) adds a new twist to this scenario, but these people aren't challenging the rules of the capitalist game, obviously. But they do give the News-Gazette a reason to view them as "model minorities," and we're back to where we started, Horatio Alger 2.0. It's a strange sort of working class movement that alienates and even demonizes most of the working class, both white and black, while identifying itself with the business and professional class, especially those in academia who represent the neoliberal corporate university at its finest. And of course, three years in to the Black Lives Matter movement, not to mention the Ammons tenure, there is no multi-racial class solidarity to be found in the parade procession, to my knowledge. DG On Tue Jul 04 2017 16:24:48 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: Trump's Muslim ban is an attack on previously-legal immigration. He blocked people from coming to the U.S. who had valid U.S. visas, including UN- and US- vetted Syrian and Iraqi refugees.  The question of impacts of illegal Mexican immigration on low-wage American workers is complicated. The question of economic impact of legal Syrian and Iraqi migration on low-wage American workers is not complicated. There's no impact. The scale is far too small. It's tears in the rain.  Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/ sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_ by=1135580 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: >From : ...who’s for illegal immigration? As far as I know … the only people who are openly for illegal immigration are neoliberal economists. First of all, neoliberal economists are completely for open borders, in so far as that’s possible. Friedman said years ago that, “You can’t have a welfare state and open borders,” but of course the point of that was “open the borders, because that’ll kill the welfare state.” There’s a good paper you can get off the web by Gordon Hanson, commissioned by whoever runs Foreign Affairs, and the argument is that illegal immigration is better than legal immigration, because illegal immigration is extremely responsive to market conditions. So it’s quite striking that you have all this protesting against illegal immigration, and especially at a time when it’s down. So why are people so upset about it? They are upset about it not because it has gotten worse, it hasn’t, but because they somehow recognize that one of the primary sort of marks of the triumph of neoliberalism in the US is a very high tolerance of illegal immigration, and that illegal immigration is the kind of ne plus ultra of the labor mobility that neoliberalism requires. I mean that’s why for years — even though it’s a kind of contradiction in terms — as a policy it’s worked well. The Bush administration did everything it could to talk against illegal immigration but leave it alone and I’m sure the Obama administration would do the same thing except its hand’s being forced by the Tea Party. ...Some argue that limiting immigration could help restore the unions and that’s obviously false and I’m certainly not saying that the Tea Party has the diagnosis right. The Tea Party thinks that immigrants are taking away their money. It’s not immigrants who are taking away their money; it’s neoliberalism that’s taking away their money... On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: Was there a count of how many people marched with the Immigration Forum? It seemed like a lot of people.  ______________________________ _________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana. net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss ______________________________ _________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana. net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss ______________________________ _________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana. net https://lists.chambana.net/ mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Wed Jul 5 00:58:15 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 19:58:15 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NIAC: Right now: Tweet #GrandparentsNotTerrorists at Congress! Message-ID: Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jamal Abdi Date: Sat, Jul 1, 2017 at 10:20 AM Subject: Right now: Tweet #GrandparentsNotTerrorists at Congress! To: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com Don't let these members of Congress ban our grandparents. Dear Robert, *Will you tweet at Republican members of Congress to help repeal Trump's Muslim Ban?* Trump's ban is back in place and targeting our grandparents. Our #GrandparentsNotTerrorists campaign showed the country the human side of Trump's ban and has gone viral . Our message is gaining momentum - but we need Congress to hear us, too. *Tweet at these five lawmakers listed below - all of them represent large Iranian-American communities - and tell them banning our grandparents and extended family will not stop terrorism! *Here are some sample tweets to get you started: - I love and miss my grandparents, but Trump doesn't think they're bonafide. #GrandparentsNotTerrorists - Here's my grandma. Trump won't let [me/my friend/my sister] in Iran see her because he thinks she's a threat. #GrandparentsNotTerrorists - This is my lovely grandma. @realDonaldTrump does she look like a terrorist to you? #GrandparentsNotTerrorists Just tag a lawmaker in your tweet! - Dana Rohrbacher @ DanaRohrabacher - Darrell Issa @DarrellIssa - Mimi Walters @RepMimiWalters - Ed Royce @RepEdRoyce - Barbara Comstock @RepComstock Thank you for taking action! 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Begin forwarded message: From: Robert Jensen Updates > Subject: Patriotism, from Citizens of the Empire Date: July 4, 2017 at 5:40:17 PM CDT To: > Reply-To: Robert Jensen Updates > This is Chapter 3 of my 2004 book, Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to Claim Our Humanity, published by City Lights Books. https://www.amazon.com/Citizens-Empire-Struggle-Claim-Humanity/dp/0872864324 PATRIOTISM by Robert Jensen In one of their “Campaign for Freedom” public-service television ads created after 9/11, the non-profit Ad Council captured the mood of a sizable segment of the American population in an ad that begins with a shot of a row of average houses. In somber tones, the voice-over says: “On September 11, terrorists tried to change America forever.” The shot fades into a new picture of the same street, this time with U.S. flags flying from every home. “Well, they succeeded,” the voice concludes, followed by the slogan of the campaign: “Freedom. Appreciate it. Cherish it. Protect it.” For many, that was the patriotic equation: United States = Freedom = Flag. The conventional image was of a sleeping giant wakened, ready to assert itself in the world, its people brimming with a revitalized sense of patriotism. Such declarations came from virtually every politician and pundit. And also, to the surprise of some, it came from many in the antiwar movement, who declared, “Peace is patriotic.” In the struggle to avoid marginalization -- in an attempt to find some rhetorical device that could get traction in mainstream America -- many who opposed the U.S. attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq did not argue against patriotism, but instead struggled over the way patriotism should be defined. When faced with the claim that patriotism meant supporting the nation as it went to war, antiwar organizers responded that dissent and critique of an immoral, illegal, and counterproductive war also were expressions of patriotism. These activists tried to distinguish between a reflexive nationalism (my country, right or wrong) and a reflective patriotism (my country, as we try to make it better), framing the former as inappropriate for a democracy and the latter as the best expression of democracy. A similar debate went on within journalism. There were differences of opinion about whether journalists should publicly proclaim their patriotism and about how aggressive the questioning of officials should be in certain situations. CBS News anchor Dan Rather took flak for various hyperpatriotic comments he made after 9/11, most notably his Sept. 17, 2001, remark on the David Letterman show: “George Bush is the president. He makes the decisions, and, you know, it’s just one American, wherever he wants me to line up, just tell me where, and he’ll make the call.” But Rather was no doubt accurate when he told a newspaper convention in March 2002, “[W]e all want to be patriotic.” Bill Kovach, chairman of the Committee of Concerned Journalists, was one of the strongest mainstream spokespersons for a tough, critical journalism after 9/11. He did not trumpet patriotism, but endorsed the concept in his defense of journalists: “A journalist is never more true to democracy -- is never more engaged as a citizen, is never more patriotic -- than when aggressively doing the job of independently verifying the news of the day; questioning the actions of those in authority; disclosing information the public needs but others wish secret for self-interested purposes.” An editor at one of the top U.S. journalism reviews also implicitly endorsed patriotism in arguing that journalists serve their country best when asking “tough, even unpopular questions when our government wages war.” He distinguished “patriotism, love of one’s country” from “nationalism -- the exalting of one’s nation and its culture and interests above all others. If patriotism is a kind of affection, nationalism is its dark side.” I am against nationalism, and I am against patriotism. They are both the dark side. It is time not simply to redefine a kinder-and-gentler patriotism, but to sweep away the notion and acknowledge it as morally, politically, and intellectually bankrupt. It is time to scrap patriotism. More specifically, it is crucial to scrap patriotism in today’s empire, the United States, where patriotism is not only a bad idea but literally a threat to the survival of the planet. We should abandon patriotism and strive to become more fully developed human beings not with shallow allegiances to a nation but rich and deep ties to humanity. At first glance, in a country where patriotism is almost universally taken to be an unquestioned virtue, this may seem outrageous. But there is a simple path to what I consider to be this simple conclusion. What do you love? If we use the common definition of patriotism -- love of, and loyalty to, one’s country -- the first question that arises is, what is meant by country? Nation-states, after all, are not naturally occurring objects. What is the object of our affection and loyalty? In discussions with various community groups and classes since 9/11, I have asked people to explain which aspects of a nation-state -- specifically in the context of patriotism in the United States -- they believe should spark patriotic feelings. Toward whom or what should one feel love and loyalty? The answers offered include the land, the people of a nation, its culture, the leadership, national policies, the nation’s institutions, and the democratic ideals of the nation. To varying degrees, all seem like plausible answers, yet all fail to provide a coherent answer to that basic question. Land: Many people associate patriotism with a love of the land on which they were born, raised, or currently live. People’s sense of place and connection to a landscape is easy to understand. Most of us have felt that, and it’s a healthy instinct; it is difficult to care for something that one doesn’t know well or have affection for, and we have an obligation to care for the land. But what has that to do with love or loyalty to a nation-state? Does affection for a certain landscape map onto political boundaries? If I love the desert, should I have a greater affection for the desert on the U.S. side of the border, and a lesser affection when I cross into Mexico? Should I love the prairie in my home state of North Dakota -- land where I was born and raised, and where I feel most comfortable, most at home -- but abandon that affection when I hit the Canadian border? In discussing connections to the land we can talk sensibly about watersheds and local ecosystems, but not national boundaries. And ties to a specific piece of land (i.e., the farm one grew up on) have nothing to do with a nation-state. People: It’s also common to talk about patriotism in terms of love and affection for one’s countrywomen and men. This can proceed on two levels, either as an assertion of differential value of people’s lives or as an expression of affection for people. The former -- claiming that the lives of people within one’s nation-state are more valuable than lives of people outside it -- is unacceptable by the standards of virtually all major moral philosophies and religions, which typically are based on the belief that all human life is intrinsically equally valuable. It may be true that, especially in times of war, people act as if they believe the lives of fellow citizens are more valuable, but that cannot be a principle on which patriotism can rest. This does not ignore the fact that we grieve differently, more intensely, when people close to us die. We feel something different over the death of someone we knew compared with the death of a stranger. But typically when we grieve more deeply for those we knew, it is because we knew them, not because we shared the same citizenship. We all have special affection for specific people in our lives, and it’s likely that -- by virtue of proximity -- for most of us the majority of people for whom we have that affection are citizens of the same nation. But does that mean our sense of connection to them stems from living in the same nation-state and should be understood that way? Given the individual variation in humans, why assume that someone living in our nation-state should automatically spark a feeling of connection greater than someone elsewhere? I was born in the United States near the Canadian border, and I have more in common with Canadians from the prairie provinces than I do with, for example, the people of Texas, where I now live. Am I supposed to, by virtue of my U.S. citizenship, naturally feel something stronger for Texans than Manitobans? If so, why? Culture: The same argument about land and people applies to cultures. Culture -- that complex mix of language, customs, art, stories, faith, traditions -- does not map exactly onto the mostly artificial boundaries of nation-states. Indeed, in many nation-states internal differences among cultures can be a source of conflict, not unity. In a society such as the United States, in which battles over these issues are routinely referred to as “the culture wars,” it’s difficult to imagine how patriotism could be defined as love of, or loyalty to, any particular culture or set of cultural practices. So, if one were to proclaim that patriotism was about attachment to culture, the obvious question in a nation-state with diverse cultural groups would be, “What culture?” Up until fairly recently in U.S. history, society’s answer to that, implicitly, was, “the dominant white, Anglo-American culture.” We were a melting pot, but it just always seemed to turn out that the final product of the melting process didn’t change much. In an era in which it is widely agreed that people have a right to maintain their particular cultural traditions, few people are going to argue that to be patriotic one must accept that long-dominant culture and abandon other traditions. And to claim that patriotism is about respect for different cultural traditions is nonsensical; respecting different cultures may be a fine principle, but it has nothing to do with love of, or loyalty to, a nation-state. Leaders: In a democracy it should be clear that patriotism cannot be defined as loyalty to existing political leaders. Such patriotism would be the antithesis of democracy; to be a citizen is to retain the right to make judgments about leaders, not simply accept their authority. Even if one accepts the right of leaders to make decisions within a legal structure and agrees to follow the resulting laws, that does not mean one loves or is loyal to that leadership. Policies: The same argument about leaders applies to specific policies adopted by leaders. In a democracy, one may agree to follow legally binding rules, but that does not mean one supports them. Of course, no one claims that it is unpatriotic to object to existing policy about taxes or roads or education. War tends to be the only issue about which people make demands that everyone support -- or at least mute dissent about -- a national policy. But why should war be different? When so much human life is at stake, is it not even more important for all opinions to be fully aired? Governmental structures: If patriotism is not about loyalty to a particular leader or policies, many contend, at least it can mean loyalty to our governmental structures. But that is no less an abandonment of democracy, for inherent in a real democracy is the idea that no single set of institutions can be assumed to be, for all times and places, the ultimate vehicle for democracy. In a nation founded on the principle that the people are sovereign and retain the right to reject institutions that do not serve their interests, patriotism defined as loyalty to the existing structures is hard to defend. Democratic ideals: When challenged on these other questionable definitions of the object of love or loyalty, most people eventually land on the seemingly safe assertion that patriotism in the United States is an expression of commitment to a set of basic democratic ideals, which typically include liberty, justice, and (sometimes) equality. But problems arise here as well. First, what makes these values distinctly American? Are not various people around the world committed to these values and to working to make them real in a variety of ways? Given that these values were not invented in the United States and are not distinct to the United States today, how can one claim them as the basis for patriotism? If these values predate the formation of the United States and are present around the world, are they not human ideals rather than American? An analogy to gender stereotypes is helpful. After 9/11, a number of commentators argued that criticisms of masculinity should be rethought. Though the hegemonic conception of masculinity is typically defined by competition, domination, and violence, they said, cannot we now see -- realizing that male firefighters raced into burning buildings and risked their lives to save others -- that masculinity can encompass a kind of strength that is rooted in caring and sacrifice? Of course men often exhibit such strength, just as do women. So, the obvious question arises: What makes these distinctly masculine characteristics? Are they not simply human characteristics? We identify masculine tendencies toward competition, domination, and violence because we see patterns of differential behavior; men are more prone to such behavior in our culture. We can go on to observe and analyze the ways in which men are socialized to behave in those ways, toward the goal of changing those destructive behaviors. That analysis is different than saying that admirable human qualities present in both men and women are somehow primarily the domain of one gender. To assign them to a gender is misguided, and demeaning to the gender that is then assumed not to possess them to the same degree. Once we start saying “strength and courage are masculine traits,” it leads to the conclusion that woman are not as strong or courageous. To say “strength and courage are masculine traits,” then, is to be sexist. The same holds true for patriotism. If we abandon the crude version of patriotism but try to hold onto an allegedly more sophisticated version, we bump up against this obvious question: Why are human characteristics being labeled American if there is nothing distinctly American about them? The next move in the attempt to redeem patriotism is to claim that while these values are not the sole property of Americans, it is in the United States that they have been realized to their fullest extent. This is merely the hubris of the powerful. As discussed earlier, on some criteria -- such as legal protection for freedom of speech -- the United States ranks at or near the top. But the commercial media system, which dominates in the United States, also systematically shuts out radical views and narrows the political spectrum, impoverishing real democratic dialogue. It is folly to think any nation could claim to be the primary repository of any single democratic value, let alone the ideals of democracy. Claims that the United States is the ultimate fulfillment of the values of justice also must come to terms with history and the American record of brutality, both at home and abroad. One might want to ask people of indigenous and African descent about the commitment to freedom and justice for all, in the past and today. We also would have some explaining to do to the people from nations that have been the victims of U.S. aggression, direct and indirect. Why is it that our political culture, the highest expression of the ideals of freedom and democracy, has routinely gone around the world overthrowing democratically elected governments, supporting brutal dictators, funding and training proxy terrorist armies, and unleashing brutal attacks on civilians when we go to war? If we want to make the claim that we are the fulfillment of history and the ultimate expression of the principles of freedom and justice, our first stop might be Hiroshima. Then Nagasaki. After working through this argument in class, one student, in exasperation, told me I was missing the point by trying to reduce patriotism to an easily articulated idea or ideas. “It’s about all these things together,” she said. But it’s not clear how individual explanations that fall short can collectively make a reasonable argument. If each attempt to articulate a basis for patriotism fails on empirical, logical, or moral grounds, how do they add up to a coherent position? Any attempt to articulate an appropriate object of patriotic love and loyalty falls apart quickly. When I make this argument, I am often told that I simply don’t understand, that patriotism is as much about feeling as it is about logic or evidence. Certainly love is a feeling that often defies exact description; when we say we love someone, we aren’t expected to produce a treatise on the reasons. My point is not to suggest the emotion of love should be rendered bloodless but to point out that patriotism is incoherent because there is no object for the love that can be defended, morally or politically. We can love people, places, and ideas, but it makes no sense to declare one’s love or loyalty to a nation-state that claims to be democratic. Beyond patriotism So, there is no way to rescue patriotism or distinguish it from nationalism, which most everyone rejects as crude and jingoistic. Any use of the concept of patriotism is bound to be chauvinistic at some level. At its worst, patriotism can lead easily to support for barbaric policies, especially in war. At its best, it is self-indulgent and arrogant in its assumptions about the uniqueness of U.S. culture and willfully ignorant about the history and contemporary policy of this country. Emma Goldman was correct when she identified the essentials of patriotism as “conceit, arrogance, and egotism” and went on to assert that: “Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one surrounded by an iron gate. Those who have had the fortune of being born on some particular spot, consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill, and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all the others.” We can retain all our affections for land, people, culture, and a sense of place without labeling it as patriotism and artificially attaching it to national boundaries. We can take into account the human need to feel solidarity and connection with others (what Randolph Bourne described as the ability “to enjoy the companionship of others, to be able to cooperate with them, and to feel a slight malaise at solitude” ) without attaching those feelings to a nation-state. We can realize that communication and transportation technologies have made possible a new level of mobility around the world, which leaves us with a clear choice: Either the world can continue to be based on domination by powerful nation-states (in complex relationship with multinational corporations) and the elites who dictate policy in them, or we can seek a new interdependence and connection with people around the world through popular movements based on shared values and a common humanity that can cross national boundaries. To achieve the latter, people’s moral reasoning must be able to constrain the destructive capacity of elite power. As Goldman suggested, patriotism retards our moral development. These are not abstract arguments about rhetoric; the stakes are painfully real and the people in subordinated nation-states have, and will continue, to pay the price of patriotism in the dominant states with their bodies. The question of patriotism is particularly important in the United States. The greater the destructive power of a nation, the greater the potential danger of patriotism. Despite many Americans’ belief that we are the first benevolent empire, this applies to the United States as clearly as to any country. On this count we would do well to ponder the observations of one of the top Nazis, Hermann Goering. In G.M. Gilbert’s book on his experiences as the Nuremberg prison psychologist, he recounts this conversation with Goering: “Why of course the people don’t want war,” Goering shrugged. “Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.” “There is one difference,” I pointed out. “In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare war.” “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.” If not patriotism? An argument against patriotism raises the question of whether nation-states are a sensible way to organize our political lives. But if not the nation-state, then what? The simple answer is both the local and the global; politics must, over time, devolve down to levels where ordinary people can have a meaningful role in governing their own lives, while at the same time maintaining a sense of connection to the entire human family and understanding that the scope of high-technology and the legacy of imperialism leave us bound to each other across the globe in new ways. This is a call for an internationalism that understands we live mostly at the local level but can do that ethically only when we take into account how local actions affect others outside our immediate view. My goal here is not a detailed sketch of how such a system would work. The first step is to envision something beyond what exists, a point from which people could go forward with experiments in new forms of social, political, and economic organization. Successes and failures in those experiments will guide subsequent steps, and any attempt to provide a comprehensive plan at this stage shouldn’t be taken seriously. It also is important is to realize that the work of articulating alternative political visions and engaging in political action to advance them has been going on for centuries. There is no reason today to think that national identification is the only force that could hold together societies; for example, political radicals of the 19th and early 20th centuries argued for recognizing other common interests. As Goldman put it: “Thinking men and women the world over are beginning to realize that patriotism is too narrow and limited a conception to meet the necessities of our time. The centralization of power has brought into being an international feeling of solidarity among the oppressed nations of the world; a solidarity which represents a greater harmony of interests between the workingman of America and his brothers abroad than between the American miner and his exploiting compatriot; a solidarity which fears not foreign invasion, because it is bringing all the workers to the point when they will say to their masters, ‘Go and do your own killing. We have done it long enough for you.’ This solidarity is awakening the consciousness of even the soldiers, they, too, being flesh of the flesh of the great human family.” We can, of course, go even further back in human history to find articulations of alternatives. As Leo Tolstoy reminded us in his critique of patriotism published in 1900, a rejection of loyalty to governments is part of the animating spirit of Christianity; “some 2,000 years ago … the person of the highest wisdom, began to recognize the higher idea of a brotherhood of man.” Tolstoy argued that this “higher idea, the brotherly union of the peoples, which has long since come to life, and from all sides is calling you to itself” could lead people to “understand that they are not the sons of some fatherland or other, nor of Governments, but are sons of God.” In more secular form, this sentiment is summed up often-quoted statement of the great American labor leader and Socialist Eugene Debs, who said in 1915: “I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth, and I am a citizen of the world.” Robert Jensen is a professor in the School of Journalism at the University of Texas at Austin and the author of The End of Patriarchy: Radical Feminism for Men, https://www.amazon.com/End-Patriarchy-Radical-Feminism-Men/dp/1742199925/ and Plain Radical: Living, Loving, and Learning to Leave the Planet Gracefully. https://www.amazon.com/Plain-Radical-Living-Learning-Gracefully/dp/1593766181 He can be reached at rjensen at austin.utexas.edu or through his website, http://robertwjensen.org/. ................................................................ 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They said: > > Our Wars Displace Millions > > and > > Stop the Wars // Welcome the Refugees > > Another guy carried a sign: > > From Palestine to Mexico // Border Walls Have Got to Go > > And Karen Medina carried this one: > > <20170704_111418.jpg> > >> On 7/4/17 3:03 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >> https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/07/03/what-does-war-generate >> >> Does PDA’s “single message … not Warfare” include calling for bringing all US troops (and weapons) home from the Mideast and North Africa? >> >> Regards, CGE >> >> >>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace wrote: >>> >>> Good for you, Karen! >>> >>> PDA was in the parade as well, and this year we had a single message: Healthcare not Warfare. We were well received by spectators, ranging from waving and thumbs up to clapping and cheering. By engaging we keep the subjects we care about in the public sphere and we have the chance to foster serious discussion and education. >>> >>> We save what we love, we love what we understand, we understand what we learn--the reason education is so vital. >>> >>> Deb >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Karen Medina via Peace wrote: >>>> >>>> A friend wrote: I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play >>>> Sitting on one's couch is always an option. >>>> >>>> The 4th of July commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. It is true that some have co-opted it as a celebration of wars that the United States have fought. >>>> >>>> The theme of the Champaign County celebration is, ‘Salute To Education,’ >>>> This theme is particularly important, especially because we as a country fail miserably at education. We, miseducated Americans, continue to allow US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. Let us join together to improve education and help people develop critical thinking in our country. >>>> >>>> Or we could sit on our couches. >>>> >>>> As for me and my house, we will join the parade which begins at 11:05 a.m. near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. I will be walking with the Immigration Forum. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Karen Medina >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace mailing list >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jul 5 11:33:27 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 11:33:27 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade In-Reply-To: <6E270C16-0B1B-4799-9BEA-ACFAF5333675@gmail.com> References: <5DE2450B-E047-464A-9694-2904F72DB0CB@illinois.edu> <6E270C16-0B1B-4799-9BEA-ACFAF5333675@gmail.com> Message-ID: Deb I held the sign you gave me, “Healthcare not Warfare” at AWARE’s Saturday demonstration, primarily because when standing for two hours, it is lightweight and easy to read. It tends to be very positive with those passing by on foot, stopping to engage in conversation. On Jul 5, 2017, at 01:37, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss > wrote: Outstanding! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Stuart Levy > wrote: Harry Mickalide and I carried signs in the Immigration Forum contingent of the parade today. They said: Our Wars Displace Millions and Stop the Wars // Welcome the Refugees Another guy carried a sign: From Palestine to Mexico // Border Walls Have Got to Go And Karen Medina carried this one: <20170704_111418.jpg> On 7/4/17 3:03 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/07/03/what-does-war-generate Does PDA’s “single message … not Warfare” include calling for bringing all US troops (and weapons) home from the Mideast and North Africa? Regards, CGE On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace > wrote: Good for you, Karen! PDA was in the parade as well, and this year we had a single message: Healthcare not Warfare. We were well received by spectators, ranging from waving and thumbs up to clapping and cheering. By engaging we keep the subjects we care about in the public sphere and we have the chance to foster serious discussion and education. We save what we love, we love what we understand, we understand what we learn--the reason education is so vital. Deb Sent from my iPhone On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Karen Medina via Peace > wrote: A friend wrote: I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play Sitting on one's couch is always an option. The 4th of July commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. It is true that some have co-opted it as a celebration of wars that the United States have fought. The theme of the Champaign County celebration is, ‘Salute To Education,’ This theme is particularly important, especially because we as a country fail miserably at education. We, miseducated Americans, continue to allow US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. Let us join together to improve education and help people develop critical thinking in our country. Or we could sit on our couches. 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URL: From moboct1 at aim.com Wed Jul 5 11:36:45 2017 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 07:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I didn't march in the July 4th parade In-Reply-To: <15d1286d551-2e8d-145b7@webprd-a41.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <15d1289c5cd-2e8d-145d9@webprd-a41.mail.aol.com> I read the interview with Peter Linebaugh discussing The Untold History of the Fourth of July, then decided this time not to give  homage to a false narrative.Midge-----Original Message-----From: Mildred O'brien To: peace Sent: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 6:33Subject: Re: [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade -----Original Message-----From: Karen Medina via Peace To: Peace List Sent: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 10:00Subject: [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade A friend wrote: I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox playSitting on one's couch is always an option. The 4th of July commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. It is true that some have co-opted it as a celebration of wars that the United States have fought.  The theme of the Champaign County celebration is, ‘Salute To Education,’This theme is particularly important, especially because we as a country fail miserably at education. We, miseducated Americans, continue to allow US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. Let us join together to improve education and help people develop critical thinking in our country.  Or we could sit on our couches. As for me and my house, we will join the parade which begins at 11:05 a.m. near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. I will be walking with the Immigration Forum. 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URL: From moboct1 at aim.com Wed Jul 5 11:39:32 2017 From: moboct1 at aim.com (Mildred O'brien) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 07:39:32 -0400 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I did not march in the July 4th parade In-Reply-To: <15d1286d551-2e8d-145b7@webprd-a41.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <15d128c5123-2e8d-145ec@webprd-a41.mail.aol.com> After reading the Peter Linebaugh discussion of The Untold History of the Fourth of July I decided not to give homage to a false narrative.Midge O'Brien-----Original Message-----From: Mildred O'brien via Peace To: peace Sent: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 6:34Subject: Re: [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade -----Original Message-----From: Karen Medina via Peace To: Peace List Sent: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 10:00Subject: [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade A friend wrote: I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox playSitting on one's couch is always an option. The 4th of July commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. It is true that some have co-opted it as a celebration of wars that the United States have fought.  The theme of the Champaign County celebration is, ‘Salute To Education,’This theme is particularly important, especially because we as a country fail miserably at education. We, miseducated Americans, continue to allow US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. Let us join together to improve education and help people develop critical thinking in our country.  Or we could sit on our couches. As for me and my house, we will join the parade which begins at 11:05 a.m. near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. I will be walking with the Immigration Forum. Sincerely, Karen Medina _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 12:09:11 2017 From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 07:09:11 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade In-Reply-To: References: <5DE2450B-E047-464A-9694-2904F72DB0CB@illinois.edu> <6E270C16-0B1B-4799-9BEA-ACFAF5333675@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48691882-698F-43CE-A461-3CF0245C3C30@gmail.com> Great, and thanks! It can also serve as a sunshade. ;-) I realize we all have much to be angry and frustrated about, but positive messages give more openings for engagement about the issues. Thanks again for all you do! Deb Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 5, 2017, at 6:33 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Deb > > I held the sign you gave me, “Healthcare not Warfare” at AWARE’s Saturday demonstration, primarily because when standing for two hours, it is lightweight and easy to read. It tends to be very positive with those passing by on foot, stopping to engage in conversation. > > > >> On Jul 5, 2017, at 01:37, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Outstanding! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 4, 2017, at 4:56 PM, Stuart Levy wrote: >> >>> Harry Mickalide and I carried signs in the Immigration Forum contingent of the parade today. They said: >>> >>> Our Wars Displace Millions >>> >>> and >>> >>> Stop the Wars // Welcome the Refugees >>> >>> Another guy carried a sign: >>> >>> From Palestine to Mexico // Border Walls Have Got to Go >>> >>> And Karen Medina carried this one: >>> >>> <20170704_111418.jpg> >>> >>>> On 7/4/17 3:03 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace wrote: >>>> https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/07/03/what-does-war-generate >>>> >>>> Does PDA’s “single message … not Warfare” include calling for bringing all US troops (and weapons) home from the Mideast and North Africa? >>>> >>>> Regards, CGE >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good for you, Karen! >>>>> >>>>> PDA was in the parade as well, and this year we had a single message: Healthcare not Warfare. We were well received by spectators, ranging from waving and thumbs up to clapping and cheering. By engaging we keep the subjects we care about in the public sphere and we have the chance to foster serious discussion and education. >>>>> >>>>> We save what we love, we love what we understand, we understand what we learn--the reason education is so vital. >>>>> >>>>> Deb >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Karen Medina via Peace wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> A friend wrote: I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play >>>>>> Sitting on one's couch is always an option. >>>>>> >>>>>> The 4th of July commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. It is true that some have co-opted it as a celebration of wars that the United States have fought. >>>>>> >>>>>> The theme of the Champaign County celebration is, ‘Salute To Education,’ >>>>>> This theme is particularly important, especially because we as a country fail miserably at education. We, miseducated Americans, continue to allow US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. Let us join together to improve education and help people develop critical thinking in our country. >>>>>> >>>>>> Or we could sit on our couches. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for me and my house, we will join the parade which begins at 11:05 a.m. near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. I will be walking with the Immigration Forum. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> Karen Medina >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Peace mailing list >>>>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Peace mailing list >>>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace mailing list >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jul 5 12:30:29 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 12:30:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I did not march in the July 4th parade In-Reply-To: <15d128c5123-2e8d-145ec@webprd-a41.mail.aol.com> References: <15d128c5123-2e8d-145ec@webprd-a41.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: Midge In addition to Peter Linebaugh, I also posted an interview with Gerald Horne. I found him to be even more informative, explaining the Declaration of Independence, as a means by the US colonialists, to continue slave labor. After the UK abolished and outlawed it. On Jul 5, 2017, at 04:39, Mildred O'brien via Peace-discuss > wrote: After reading the Peter Linebaugh discussion of The Untold History of the Fourth of July I decided not to give homage to a false narrative. Midge O'Brien -----Original Message----- From: Mildred O'brien via Peace > To: peace > Sent: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 6:34 Subject: Re: [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade -----Original Message----- From: Karen Medina via Peace > To: Peace List > Sent: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 10:00 Subject: [Peace] Why I will be marching in the July 4th parade A friend wrote: I’ll stay home and watch the Red Sox play Sitting on one's couch is always an option. The 4th of July commemorates the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. It is true that some have co-opted it as a celebration of wars that the United States have fought. The theme of the Champaign County celebration is, ‘Salute To Education,’ This theme is particularly important, especially because we as a country fail miserably at education. We, miseducated Americans, continue to allow US presidents to kill between 20 and 30 million people since 1945, for the profits of the US 1%. Let us join together to improve education and help people develop critical thinking in our country. Or we could sit on our couches. As for me and my house, we will join the parade which begins at 11:05 a.m. near First and Florida, continues East on Florida to Lincoln Avenue then proceeds North on Lincoln Avenue to California. I will be walking with the Immigration Forum. Sincerely, Karen Medina _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwfed at dwfed.org Wed Jul 5 04:29:54 2017 From: dwfed at dwfed.org (Democratic World Federalists) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 21:29:54 -0700 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [ufpj-activist] Fwd: Patriotism, from Citizens of the Empire In-Reply-To: References: <20170704224341.9776580013225@coyote.dreamhost.com> Message-ID: ​​ Dear Morton Brussel, et. al. -- In my opinion as a *world citizen* and a world federalist, the ideal patriot is first and foremost a *world patriot.* We are a global family. Global Conscience matters. What's good for the world, is good for America because America is part of the world. ​World federalists such as Einstein concluded that our only hope was world government with enforceable world law. That's where the *Earth Constitution* now being proposed to replace the obsolete and fatally flawed United Nations Charter, becomes of central importance. The .1% who use Empire as a vehicle to dominate the world must be replaced by a World Parliament under the *Earth Constitution* representing the world community. The goal is to establish a workable, *new geopolitical system* that has the potential to realize the *basic right of all ​citizens everywhere​ to live a decent, secure, and satisfying life.​* ​​War and nuclear war become world crimes and must be outlawed. Current treaty-based agreements such as the current ban on nukes will be inadequate. We must move away from global anarchy and Empire domination to enforceable world law and Global Family. Leaders of nations responsible for world crimes (overthrowing governments; military and/or covert invasions; torture; false flag operations) no longer have impunity. The rigged, privatized economic system must be transformed and modernized and placed under public control and regulation. The *Earth Constitution* provides a practical, workable blueprint to make the world community a proud winner instead of a humiliated loser. -- Roger Kotila (personal opinion) DEMOCRATIC WORLD FEDERALISTS A path to a peaceful, just, and sustainable world 55 New Montgomery St. #225, San Francisco, CA 94105-3421 Phone & Fax: 1-415-227-4880 www.dwfed.org Donate here On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 6:01 PM, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > Robert has been guest of AWARE sometime ago. Jensen continues his efforts > to enlighten his audiences. What follows is a critical discussion of > “patriotism”, something it would be best for humanity to get rid of. > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Robert Jensen Updates > *Subject: **Patriotism, from Citizens of the Empire* > *Date: *July 4, 2017 at 5:40:17 PM CDT > *To: * > *Reply-To: *Robert Jensen Updates thirdcoastactivist.org> > > > This is Chapter 3 of my 2004 book, Citizens of the Empire: The Struggle to > Claim Our Humanity, published by City Lights Books. > https://www.amazon.com/Citizens-Empire-Struggle- > Claim-Humanity/dp/0872864324 > > PATRIOTISM > by Robert Jensen > > In one of their “Campaign for Freedom” public-service television ads > created after 9/11, the non-profit Ad Council captured the mood of a > sizable segment of the American population in an ad that begins with a shot > of a row of average houses. In somber tones, the voice-over says: “On > September 11, terrorists tried to change America forever.” The shot fades > into a new picture of the same street, this time with U.S. flags flying > from every home. “Well, they succeeded,” the voice concludes, followed by > the slogan of the campaign: “Freedom. Appreciate it. Cherish it. Protect > it.” > > For many, that was the patriotic equation: United States = Freedom = Flag. > The conventional image was of a sleeping giant wakened, ready to assert > itself in the world, its people brimming with a revitalized sense of > patriotism. Such declarations came from virtually every politician and > pundit. > > And also, to the surprise of some, it came from many in the antiwar > movement, who declared, “Peace is patriotic.” In the struggle to avoid > marginalization -- in an attempt to find some rhetorical device that could > get traction in mainstream America -- many who opposed the U.S. attacks on > Afghanistan and Iraq did not argue against patriotism, but instead > struggled over the way patriotism should be defined. When faced with the > claim that patriotism meant supporting the nation as it went to war, > antiwar organizers responded that dissent and critique of an immoral, > illegal, and counterproductive war also were expressions of patriotism. > These activists tried to distinguish between a reflexive nationalism (my > country, right or wrong) and a reflective patriotism (my country, as we try > to make it better), framing the former as inappropriate for a democracy and > the latter as the best expression of democracy. > > A similar debate went on within journalism. There were differences of > opinion about whether journalists should publicly proclaim their patriotism > and about how aggressive the questioning of officials should be in certain > situations. CBS News anchor Dan Rather took flak for various hyperpatriotic > comments he made after 9/11, most notably his Sept. 17, 2001, remark on the > David Letterman show: “George Bush is the president. He makes the > decisions, and, you know, it’s just one American, wherever he wants me to > line up, just tell me where, and he’ll make the call.” But Rather was no > doubt accurate when he told a newspaper convention in March 2002, “[W]e all > want to be patriotic.” > > Bill Kovach, chairman of the Committee of Concerned Journalists, was one > of the strongest mainstream spokespersons for a tough, critical journalism > after 9/11. He did not trumpet patriotism, but endorsed the concept in his > defense of journalists: “A journalist is never more true to democracy -- is > never more engaged as a citizen, is never more patriotic -- than when > aggressively doing the job of independently verifying the news of the day; > questioning the actions of those in authority; disclosing information the > public needs but others wish secret for self-interested purposes.” An > editor at one of the top U.S. journalism reviews also implicitly endorsed > patriotism in arguing that journalists serve their country best when asking > “tough, even unpopular questions when our government wages war.” He > distinguished “patriotism, love of one’s country” from “nationalism -- the > exalting of one’s nation and its culture and interests above all others. If > patriotism is > a kind > of > affection, nationalism is its dark side.” > > I am against nationalism, and I am against patriotism. They are both the > dark side. It is time not simply to redefine a kinder-and-gentler > patriotism, but to sweep away the notion and acknowledge it as morally, > politically, and intellectually bankrupt. It is time to scrap patriotism. > > More specifically, it is crucial to scrap patriotism in today’s empire, > the United States, where patriotism is not only a bad idea but literally a > threat to the survival of the planet. We should abandon patriotism and > strive to become more fully developed human beings not with shallow > allegiances to a nation but rich and deep ties to humanity. At first > glance, in a country where patriotism is almost universally taken to be an > unquestioned virtue, this may seem outrageous. But there is a simple path > to what I consider to be this simple conclusion. > > > What do you love? > > If we use the common definition of patriotism -- love of, and loyalty to, > one’s country -- the first question that arises is, what is meant by > country? Nation-states, after all, are not naturally occurring objects. > What is the object of our affection and loyalty? In discussions with > various community groups and classes since 9/11, I have asked people to > explain which aspects of a nation-state -- specifically in the context of > patriotism in the United States -- they believe should spark patriotic > feelings. Toward whom or what should one feel love and loyalty? The answers > offered include the land, the people of a nation, its culture, the > leadership, national policies, the nation’s institutions, and the > democratic ideals of the nation. To varying degrees, all seem like > plausible answers, yet all fail to provide a coherent answer to that basic > question. > > Land: Many people associate patriotism with a love of the land on which > they were born, raised, or currently live. People’s sense of place and > connection to a landscape is easy to understand. Most of us have felt that, > and it’s a healthy instinct; it is difficult to care for something that one > doesn’t know well or have affection for, and we have an obligation to care > for the land. > > But what has that to do with love or loyalty to a nation-state? Does > affection for a certain landscape map onto political boundaries? If I love > the desert, should I have a greater affection for the desert on the U.S. > side of the border, and a lesser affection when I cross into Mexico? Should > I love the prairie in my home state of North Dakota -- land where I was > born and raised, and where I feel most comfortable, most at home -- but > abandon that affection when I hit the Canadian border? In discussing > connections to the land we can talk sensibly about watersheds and local > ecosystems, but not national boundaries. And ties to a specific piece of > land (i.e., the farm one grew up on) have nothing to do with a nation-state. > > People: It’s also common to talk about patriotism in terms of love and > affection for one’s countrywomen and men. This can proceed on two levels, > either as an assertion of differential value of people’s lives or as an > expression of affection for people. The former -- claiming that the lives > of people within one’s nation-state are more valuable than lives of people > outside it -- is unacceptable by the standards of virtually all major moral > philosophies and religions, which typically are based on the belief that > all human life is intrinsically equally valuable. It may be true that, > especially in times of war, people act as if they believe the lives of > fellow citizens are more valuable, but that cannot be a principle on which > patriotism can rest. > > This does not ignore the fact that we grieve differently, more intensely, > when people close to us die. We feel something different over the death of > someone we knew compared with the death of a stranger. But typically when > we grieve more deeply for those we knew, it is because we knew them, not > because we shared the same citizenship. We all have special affection for > specific people in our lives, and it’s likely that -- by virtue of > proximity -- for most of us the majority of people for whom we have that > affection are citizens of the same nation. But does that mean our sense of > connection to them stems from living in the same nation-state and should be > understood that way? Given the individual variation in humans, why assume > that someone living in our nation-state should automatically spark a > feeling of connection greater than someone elsewhere? I was born in the > United States near the Canadian border, and I have more in common with > Canadians from the prairie provinces than > I do > with, for example, the people of Texas, where I now live. Am I supposed > to, by virtue of my U.S. citizenship, naturally feel something stronger for > Texans than Manitobans? If so, why? > > Culture: The same argument about land and people applies to cultures. > Culture -- that complex mix of language, customs, art, stories, faith, > traditions -- does not map exactly onto the mostly artificial boundaries of > nation-states. Indeed, in many nation-states internal differences among > cultures can be a source of conflict, not unity. In a society such as the > United States, in which battles over these issues are routinely referred to > as “the culture wars,” it’s difficult to imagine how patriotism could be > defined as love of, or loyalty to, any particular culture or set of > cultural practices. > > So, if one were to proclaim that patriotism was about attachment to > culture, the obvious question in a nation-state with diverse cultural > groups would be, “What culture?” Up until fairly recently in U.S. history, > society’s answer to that, implicitly, was, “the dominant white, > Anglo-American culture.” We were a melting pot, but it just always seemed > to turn out that the final product of the melting process didn’t change > much. In an era in which it is widely agreed that people have a right to > maintain their particular cultural traditions, few people are going to > argue that to be patriotic one must accept that long-dominant culture and > abandon other traditions. And to claim that patriotism is about respect for > different cultural traditions is nonsensical; respecting different cultures > may be a fine principle, but it has nothing to do with love of, or loyalty > to, a nation-state. > > Leaders: In a democracy it should be clear that patriotism cannot be > defined as loyalty to existing political leaders. Such patriotism would be > the antithesis of democracy; to be a citizen is to retain the right to make > judgments about leaders, not simply accept their authority. Even if one > accepts the right of leaders to make decisions within a legal structure and > agrees to follow the resulting laws, that does not mean one loves or is > loyal to that leadership. > > Policies: The same argument about leaders applies to specific policies > adopted by leaders. In a democracy, one may agree to follow legally binding > rules, but that does not mean one supports them. Of course, no one claims > that it is unpatriotic to object to existing policy about taxes or roads or > education. War tends to be the only issue about which people make demands > that everyone support -- or at least mute dissent about -- a national > policy. But why should war be different? When so much human life is at > stake, is it not even more important for all opinions to be fully aired? > > Governmental structures: If patriotism is not about loyalty to a > particular leader or policies, many contend, at least it can mean loyalty > to our governmental structures. But that is no less an abandonment of > democracy, for inherent in a real democracy is the idea that no single set > of institutions can be assumed to be, for all times and places, the > ultimate vehicle for democracy. In a nation founded on the principle that > the people are sovereign and retain the right to reject institutions that > do not serve their interests, patriotism defined as loyalty to the existing > structures is hard to defend. > > Democratic ideals: When challenged on these other questionable definitions > of the object of love or loyalty, most people eventually land on the > seemingly safe assertion that patriotism in the United States is an > expression of commitment to a set of basic democratic ideals, which > typically include liberty, justice, and (sometimes) equality. But problems > arise here as well. > > First, what makes these values distinctly American? Are not various people > around the world committed to these values and to working to make them real > in a variety of ways? Given that these values were not invented in the > United States and are not distinct to the United States today, how can one > claim them as the basis for patriotism? If these values predate the > formation of the United States and are present around the world, are they > not human ideals rather than American? > > An analogy to gender stereotypes is helpful. After 9/11, a number of > commentators argued that criticisms of masculinity should be rethought. > Though the hegemonic conception of masculinity is typically defined by > competition, domination, and violence, they said, cannot we now see -- > realizing that male firefighters raced into burning buildings and risked > their lives to save others -- that masculinity can encompass a kind of > strength that is rooted in caring and sacrifice? Of course men often > exhibit such strength, just as do women. So, the obvious question arises: > What makes these distinctly masculine characteristics? Are they not simply > human characteristics? > > We identify masculine tendencies toward competition, domination, and > violence because we see patterns of differential behavior; men are more > prone to such behavior in our culture. We can go on to observe and analyze > the ways in which men are socialized to behave in those ways, toward the > goal of changing those destructive behaviors. That analysis is different > than saying that admirable human qualities present in both men and women > are somehow primarily the domain of one gender. To assign them to a gender > is misguided, and demeaning to the gender that is then assumed not to > possess them to the same degree. Once we start saying “strength and courage > are masculine traits,” it leads to the conclusion that woman are not as > strong or courageous. To say “strength and courage are masculine traits,” > then, is to be sexist. > > The same holds true for patriotism. If we abandon the crude version of > patriotism but try to hold onto an allegedly more sophisticated version, we > bump up against this obvious question: Why are human characteristics being > labeled American if there is nothing distinctly American about them? > > The next move in the attempt to redeem patriotism is to claim that while > these values are not the sole property of Americans, it is in the United > States that they have been realized to their fullest extent. This is merely > the hubris of the powerful. As discussed earlier, on some criteria -- such > as legal protection for freedom of speech -- the United States ranks at or > near the top. But the commercial media system, which dominates in the > United States, also systematically shuts out radical views and narrows the > political spectrum, impoverishing real democratic dialogue. It is folly to > think any nation could claim to be the primary repository of any single > democratic value, let alone the ideals of democracy. > > Claims that the United States is the ultimate fulfillment of the values of > justice also must come to terms with history and the American record of > brutality, both at home and abroad. One might want to ask people of > indigenous and African descent about the commitment to freedom and justice > for all, in the past and today. We also would have some explaining to do to > the people from nations that have been the victims of U.S. aggression, > direct and indirect. Why is it that our political culture, the highest > expression of the ideals of freedom and democracy, has routinely gone > around the world overthrowing democratically elected governments, > supporting brutal dictators, funding and training proxy terrorist armies, > and unleashing brutal attacks on civilians when we go to war? If we want to > make the claim that we are the fulfillment of history and the ultimate > expression of the principles of freedom and justice, our first stop might > be Hiroshima. Then Nagasaki. > > After working through this argument in class, one student, in > exasperation, told me I was missing the point by trying to reduce > patriotism to an easily articulated idea or ideas. “It’s about all these > things together,” she said. But it’s not clear how individual explanations > that fall short can collectively make a reasonable argument. If each > attempt to articulate a basis for patriotism fails on empirical, logical, > or moral grounds, how do they add up to a coherent position? > > Any attempt to articulate an appropriate object of patriotic love and > loyalty falls apart quickly. When I make this argument, I am often told > that I simply don’t understand, that patriotism is as much about feeling as > it is about logic or evidence. Certainly love is a feeling that often > defies exact description; when we say we love someone, we aren’t expected > to produce a treatise on the reasons. My point is not to suggest the > emotion of love should be rendered bloodless but to point out that > patriotism is incoherent because there is no object for the love that can > be defended, morally or politically. We can love people, places, and ideas, > but it makes no sense to declare one’s love or loyalty to a nation-state > that claims to be democratic. > > > Beyond patriotism > > So, there is no way to rescue patriotism or distinguish it from > nationalism, which most everyone rejects as crude and jingoistic. Any use > of the concept of patriotism is bound to be chauvinistic at some level. At > its worst, patriotism can lead easily to support for barbaric policies, > especially in war. At its best, it is self-indulgent and arrogant in its > assumptions about the uniqueness of U.S. culture and willfully ignorant > about the history and contemporary policy of this country. Emma Goldman was > correct when she identified the essentials of patriotism as “conceit, > arrogance, and egotism” and went on to assert that: > > “Patriotism assumes that our globe is divided into little spots, each one > surrounded by an iron gate. Those who have had the fortune of being born on > some particular spot, consider themselves better, nobler, grander, more > intelligent than the living beings inhabiting any other spot. It is, > therefore, the duty of everyone living on that chosen spot to fight, kill, > and die in the attempt to impose his superiority upon all the others.” > > We can retain all our affections for land, people, culture, and a sense of > place without labeling it as patriotism and artificially attaching it to > national boundaries. We can take into account the human need to feel > solidarity and connection with others (what Randolph Bourne described as > the ability “to enjoy the companionship of others, to be able to cooperate > with them, and to feel a slight malaise at solitude” ) without attaching > those feelings to a nation-state. We can realize that communication and > transportation technologies have made possible a new level of mobility > around the world, which leaves us with a clear choice: Either the world can > continue to be based on domination by powerful nation-states (in complex > relationship with multinational corporations) and the elites who dictate > policy in them, or we can seek a new interdependence and connection with > people around the world through popular movements based on shared values > and a common humanity that can cross > national > boundaries. To achieve the latter, people’s moral reasoning must be able > to constrain the destructive capacity of elite power. As Goldman suggested, > patriotism retards our moral development. These are not abstract arguments > about rhetoric; the stakes are painfully real and the people in > subordinated nation-states have, and will continue, to pay the price of > patriotism in the dominant states with their bodies. > > The question of patriotism is particularly important in the United States. > The greater the destructive power of a nation, the greater the potential > danger of patriotism. Despite many Americans’ belief that we are the first > benevolent empire, this applies to the United States as clearly as to any > country. On this count we would do well to ponder the observations of one > of the top Nazis, Hermann Goering. In G.M. Gilbert’s book on his > experiences as the Nuremberg prison psychologist, he recounts this > conversation with Goering: > > “Why of course the people don’t want war,” Goering shrugged. “Why would > some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that > he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, > the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in > America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after > all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is > always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy > or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.” > > “There is one difference,” I pointed out. “In a democracy the people have > some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the > United States only Congress can declare war.” > > “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can > always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have > to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists > for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the > same way in any country.” > > > If not patriotism? > > An argument against patriotism raises the question of whether > nation-states are a sensible way to organize our political lives. But if > not the nation-state, then what? The simple answer is both the local and > the global; politics must, over time, devolve down to levels where ordinary > people can have a meaningful role in governing their own lives, while at > the same time maintaining a sense of connection to the entire human family > and understanding that the scope of high-technology and the legacy of > imperialism leave us bound to each other across the globe in new ways. This > is a call for an internationalism that understands we live mostly at the > local level but can do that ethically only when we take into account how > local actions affect others outside our immediate view. > > My goal here is not a detailed sketch of how such a system would work. The > first step is to envision something beyond what exists, a point from which > people could go forward with experiments in new forms of social, political, > and economic organization. Successes and failures in those experiments will > guide subsequent steps, and any attempt to provide a comprehensive plan at > this stage shouldn’t be taken seriously. It also is important is to realize > that the work of articulating alternative political visions and engaging in > political action to advance them has been going on for centuries. There is > no reason today to think that national identification is the only force > that could hold together societies; for example, political radicals of the > 19th and early 20th centuries argued for recognizing other common > interests. As Goldman put it: > > “Thinking men and women the world over are beginning to realize that > patriotism is too narrow and limited a conception to meet the necessities > of our time. The centralization of power has brought into being an > international feeling of solidarity among the oppressed nations of the > world; a solidarity which represents a greater harmony of interests between > the workingman of America and his brothers abroad than between the American > miner and his exploiting compatriot; a solidarity which fears not foreign > invasion, because it is bringing all the workers to the point when they > will say to their masters, ‘Go and do your own killing. We have done it > long enough for you.’ This solidarity is awakening the consciousness of > even the soldiers, they, too, being flesh of the flesh of the great human > family.” > > We can, of course, go even further back in human history to find > articulations of alternatives. As Leo Tolstoy reminded us in his critique > of patriotism published in 1900, a rejection of loyalty to governments is > part of the animating spirit of Christianity; “some 2,000 years ago … the > person of the highest wisdom, began to recognize the higher idea of a > brotherhood of man.” Tolstoy argued that this “higher idea, the brotherly > union of the peoples, which has long since come to life, and from all sides > is calling you to itself” could lead people to “understand that they are > not the sons of some fatherland or other, nor of Governments, but are sons > of God.” > > In more secular form, this sentiment is summed up often-quoted statement > of the great American labor leader and Socialist Eugene Debs, who said in > 1915: “I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth, and I am a > citizen of the world.” > > > Robert Jensen is a professor in the School of Journalism at the University > of Texas at Austin and the author of The End of Patriarchy: Radical > Feminism for Men, > https://www.amazon.com/End-Patriarchy-Radical-Feminism-Men/dp/1742199925/ > and Plain Radical: Living, Loving, and Learning to Leave the Planet > Gracefully. > https://www.amazon.com/Plain-Radical-Living-Learning- > Gracefully/dp/1593766181 > He can be reached at rjensen at austin.utexas.edu or through his website, > http://robertwjensen.org/. > > > ................................................................ > To unsubscribe, visit http://www.thirdcoastactivist. > org/jensenupdates-info.html and click the "unsubscribe" button. > > > > _______________________________________________ > ufpj-activist mailing list > > Post: ufpj-activist at lists.mayfirst.org > List info: https://lists.mayfirst.org/mailman/listinfo/ufpj-activist > > To Unsubscribe > Send email to: ufpj-activist-unsubscribe at lists.mayfirst.org > Or visit: https://lists.mayfirst.org/ > mailman/options/ufpj-activist/dwfed%40dwfed.org > > You are subscribed as: dwfed at dwfed.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Wed Jul 5 16:00:23 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 16:00:23 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union - The New York Times References: <3C76AF45-BE0D-4ED8-9AD4-E1B53B4CA08A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1FBEE5C7-58E4-477C-B283-6812C13105D2@illinois.edu> From: "Szoke, Ron" > Subject: Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union - The New York Times Date: July 5, 2017 at 10:58:17 AM CDT https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/opinion/noam-chomsky-on-trump-and-the-state-of-the-union.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0 Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union George Yancy and Noam Chomsky JULY 5, 2017 [https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/07/05/opinion/05stoneSub/05stoneSub-superJumbo.jpg] Kevin Lamarque/Reuters Over the past few months, as the disturbing prospect of a Trump administration became a disturbing reality, I decided to reach out to Noam Chomsky, the philosopher whose writing, speaking and activism has for more than 50 years provided unparalleled insight and challenges to the American and global political systems. Our conversation, as it appears here, took place as a series of email exchanges over the past two months. Although Professor Chomsky was extremely busy, because of our past intellectual exchange, he graciously provided time for this interview. Professor Chomsky is the author of numerous best-selling political works, translated into scores of languages. Among his most recent books are “Hegemony or Survival,” “Failed States,” “Hopes and Prospects,” “Masters of Mankind” and “Who Rules the World?” He has been institute professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology since 1976. — George Yancy George Yancy: Given our “post-truth” political moment and the growing authoritarianism we are witnessing under President Trump, what public role do you think professional philosophy might play in critically addressing this situation? Noam Chomsky: We have to be a little cautious about not trying to kill a gnat with an atom bomb. The performances are so utterly absurd regarding the “post-truth” moment that the proper response might best be ridicule. For example, Stephen Colbert’s recent comment is apropos: When the Republican legislature of North Carolina responded to a scientific study predicting a threatening rise in sea level by barring state and local agencies from developing regulations or planning documents to address the problem, Colbert responded: “This is a brilliant solution. If your science gives you a result that you don’t like, pass a law saying the result is illegal. Problem solved.” Quite generally, that’s how the Trump administration deals with a truly existential threat to survival of organized human life: ban regulations and even research and discussion of environmental threats and race to the precipice as quickly as possible (in the interests of short-term profit and power). G.Y.: In this regard, I find Trumpism to be a bit suicidal. N.C.: Of course, ridicule is not enough. It’s necessary to address the concerns and beliefs of those who are taken in by the fraud, or who don’t recognize the nature and significance of the issues for other reasons. If by philosophy we mean reasoned and thoughtful analysis, then it can address the moment, though not by confronting the “alternative facts” but by analyzing and clarifying what is at stake, whatever the issue is. Beyond that, what is needed is action: urgent and dedicated, in the many ways that are open to us. G.Y.: When I was an undergraduate philosophy student at the University of Pittsburgh, where I was trained in the analytic tradition, it wasn’t clear to me what philosophy meant beyond the clarification of concepts. Yet I have held onto the Marxian position that philosophy can change the world. Any thoughts on the capacity of philosophy to change the world? The most important issues to address are the truly existential threats we face: climate change and nuclear war. N.C.: I am not sure just what Marx had in mind when he wrote that “philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it.” Did he mean that philosophy could change the world, or that philosophers should turn to the higher priority of changing the world? If the former, then he presumably meant philosophy in a broad sense of the term, including analysis of the social order and ideas about why it should be changed, and how. In that broad sense, philosophy can play a role, indeed an essential role, in changing the world, and philosophers, including in the analytic tradition, have undertaken that effort, in their philosophical work as well as in their activist lives — Bertrand Russell, to mention a prominent example. G.Y.: Yes. Russell was a philosopher and a public intellectual. In those terms, how do you describe yourself? N.C.: I don’t really think about it, frankly. I engage in the kinds of work and activities that seem important and challenging to me. Some of it falls within these categories, as usually understood. G.Y.: There are times when the sheer magnitude of human suffering feels unbearable. As someone who speaks to so much suffering in the world, how do you bear witness to this and yet maintain the strength to go on? N.C.: Witnessing it is enough to provide the motivation to go on. And nothing is more inspiring to see how poor and suffering people, living under conditions incomparably worse than we endure, continue quietly and unpretentiously with courageous and committed struggle for justice and dignity. G.Y.: If you had to list two or three forms of political action that are necessary under the Trump regime, what would they be? I ask because our moment feels so incredibly hopeless and repressive. [https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/07/05/opinion/05stone2aweb/05stone2aweb-superJumbo.jpg] Noam Chomsky Uli Deck/picture-alliance/dpa/Associated Press N.C.: I don’t think things are quite that bleak. Take the success of the Bernie Sanders campaign, the most remarkable feature of the 2016 election. It is, after all, not all that surprising that a billionaire showman with extensive media backing (including the liberal media, entranced by his antics and the advertising revenue it afforded) should win the nomination of the ultra-reactionary Republican Party. The Sanders campaign, however, broke dramatically with over a century of U.S. political history. Extensive political science research, notably the work of Thomas Ferguson, has shown convincingly that elections are pretty much bought. For example, campaign spending alone is a remarkably good predictor of electoral success, and support of corporate power and private wealth is a virtual prerequisite even for participation in the political arena. The Sanders campaign showed that a candidate with mildly progressive (basically New Deal) programs could win the nomination, maybe the election, even without the backing of the major funders or any media support. There’s good reason to suppose that Sanders would have won the nomination had it not been for shenanigans of the Obama-Clinton party managers. He is now the most popular political figure in the country by a large margin. Activism spawned by the campaign is beginning to make inroads into electoral politics. Under Barack Obama, the Democratic Party pretty much collapsed at the crucial local and state levels, but it can be rebuilt and turned into a progressive force. That would mean reviving the New Deal legacy and moving well beyond, instead of abandoning, the working class and turning into Clintonite New Democrats, which more or less resemble what used to be called moderate Republicans, a category that has largely disappeared with the shift of both parties to the right during the neoliberal period. Republican leadership, in splendid isolation from the world, is almost unanimously dedicated to destroying the chances for decent survival. Such prospects may not be out of reach, and efforts to attain them can be combined with direct activism right now, urgently needed, to counter the legislative and executive actions of the Republican administration, often concealed behind the bluster of the figure nominally in charge. There are in fact many ways to combat the Trump project of creating a tiny America, isolated from the world, cowering in fear behind walls while pursuing the Paul Ryan-style domestic policies that represent the most savage wing of the Republican establishment. G.Y.: What are the weightiest issues facing us? N.C.: The most important issues to address are the truly existential threats we face: climate change and nuclear war. On the former, the Republican leadership, in splendid isolation from the world, is almost unanimously dedicated to destroying the chances for decent survival; strong words, but no exaggeration. There is a great deal that can be done at the local and state level to counter their malign project. On nuclear war, actions in Syria and at the Russian border raise very serious threats of confrontation that might trigger war, an unthinkable prospect. Furthermore, Trump’s pursuit of Obama’s programs of modernization of the nuclear forces poses extraordinary dangers. As we have recently learned, the modernized U.S. nuclear force is seriously fraying the slender thread on which survival is suspended. The matter is discussed in detail in a critically important article in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in March, which should have been, and remained, front-page news. The authors, highly respected analysts, observe that the nuclear weapons modernization program has increased “the overall killing power of existing U.S. ballistic missile forces by a factor of roughly three — and it creates exactly what one would expect to see, if a nuclear-armed state were planning to have the capacity to fight and win a nuclear war by disarming enemies with a surprise first strike.” The significance is clear. It means that in a moment of crisis, of which there are all too many, Russian military planners may conclude that lacking a deterrent, the only hope of survival is a first strike — which means the end for all of us. G.Y.: Frightening to the born. N.C.: In these cases, citizen action can reverse highly dangerous programs. It can also press Washington to explore diplomatic options — which are available — instead of the near reflexive resort to force and coercion in other areas, including North Korea and Iran. G.Y.: But what is it, Noam, as you continue to engage critically a broad range of injustices, that motivates this sense of social justice for you? Are there any religious motivations that frame your social justice work? If not, why not? N.C.: No religious motivations, and for sound reasons. One can contrive a religious motivation for virtually any choice of action, from commitment to the highest ideals to support for the most horrendous atrocities. In the sacred texts, we can find uplifting calls for peace, justice and mercy, along with the most genocidal passages in the literary canon. Conscience is our guide, whatever trappings we might choose to clothe it in. G.Y.: Returning to the point about bearing witness to so much suffering, what do you recommend I share with many of my undergraduate students such that they develop the capacity to bear witness to forms of suffering that are worse than we endure? Many of my students are just concerned with graduating and often seem oblivious to world suffering. N.C.: My suspicion is that those who seem oblivious to suffering, whether it is nearby or in remote corners, are for the most part unaware, perhaps blinded by doctrine and ideology. For them, the answer is to develop a critical attitude toward articles of faith, secular or religious; to encourage their capacity to question, to explore, to view the world from the standpoint of others. And direct exposure is never very far away, wherever we live — perhaps the homeless person huddling in the cold or asking for a few pennies for food, or all too many more. G.Y.: I appreciate and second your point about exposure to the suffering of others not being far away. Returning to Trump, I take it that you view him as fundamentally unpredictable. I certainly do. Should we fear a nuclear exchange of any sort in our contemporary moment? N.C.: I do, and I’m hardly the only person to have such fears. Perhaps the most prominent figure to express such concerns is William Perry, one of the leading contemporary nuclear strategists, with many years of experience at the highest level of war planning. He is reserved and cautious, not given to overstatement. He has come out of semiretirement to declare forcefully and repeatedly that he is terrified both at the extreme and mounting threats and by the failure to be concerned about them. In his words, “Today, the danger of some sort of a nuclear catastrophe is greater than it was during the Cold War, and most people are blissfully unaware of this danger.” In 1947, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists established its famous Doomsday Clock, estimating how far we are from midnight: termination. In 1947, the analysts set the clock at seven minutes to midnight. In 1953, they moved the hand to two minutes to midnight after the U.S. and U.S.S.R. exploded hydrogen bombs. Since then it has oscillated, never again reaching this danger point. In January, shortly after Trump’s inauguration, the hand was moved to two and a half minutes to midnight, the closest to terminal disaster since 1953. By this time analysts were considering not only the rising threat of nuclear war but also the firm dedication of the Republican organization to accelerate the race to environmental catastrophe. Perry is right to be terrified. And so should we all be, not least because of the person with his finger on the button and his surreal associates. G.Y.: Yet despite his unpredictability, Trump has a strong base. What makes for this kind of servile deference? N.C.: I’m not sure that “servile deference” is the right phrase, for a number of reasons. For example, who is the base? Most are relatively affluent. Three-quarters had incomes above the median. About one-third had incomes of over $100,000 a year, and thus were in the top 15 percent of personal income, in the top 6 percent of those with only a high school education. They are overwhelmingly white, mostly older, hence from historically more privileged sectors. Is Russian hacking really more significant than what we have discussed — for example, the Republican campaign to destroy the conditions for organized social existence, in defiance of the entire world? As Anthony DiMaggio reports in a careful study of the wealth of information now available, Trump voters tend to be typical Republicans, with “elitist, pro-corporate and reactionary social agendas,” and “an affluent, privileged segment of the country in terms of their income, but one that is relatively less privileged than it was in the past, before the 2008 economic collapse,” hence feeling some economic distress. Median income has dropped almost 10 percent since 2007. That’s apart from the large evangelical segment and putting aside the factors of white supremacy — deeply rooted in the United States — racism and sexism. For the majority of the base, Trump and the more savage wing of the Republican establishment are not far from their standard attitudes, though when we turn to specific policy preferences, more complex questions arise. A segment of the Trump base comes from the industrial sector that has been cast aside for decades by both parties, often from rural areas where industry and stable jobs have collapsed. Many voted for Obama, believing his message of hope and change, but were quickly disillusioned and have turned in desperation to their bitter class enemy, clinging to the hope that somehow its formal leader will come to their rescue. Another consideration is the current information system, if one can even use the phrase. For much of the base, the sources of information are Fox News, talk radio and other practitioners of alternative facts. Exposures of Trump’s misdeeds and absurdities that arouse liberal opinion are easily interpreted as attacks by the corrupt elite on the defender of the little man, in fact his cynical enemy. G.Y.: How does the lack of critical intelligence operate here, that is, the sort that philosopher John Dewey saw as essential for a democratic citizenry? N.C.: We might ask other questions about critical intelligence. For liberal opinion, the political crime of the century, as it is sometimes called, is Russian interference in American elections. The effects of the crime are undetectable, unlike the massive effects of interference by corporate power and private wealth, not considered a crime but the normal workings of democracy. That’s even putting aside the record of U.S. “interference” in foreign elections, Russia included; the word “interference” in quotes because it is so laughably inadequate, as anyone with the slightest familiarity with recent history must be aware. G.Y.: That certainly speaks to our nation’s contradictions. N.C.: Is Russian hacking really more significant than what we have discussed — for example, the Republican campaign to destroy the conditions for organized social existence, in defiance of the entire world? Or to enhance the already dire threat of terminal nuclear war? Or even such real but lesser crimes such as the Republican initiative to deprive tens of millions of health care and to drive helpless people out of nursing homes in order to enrich their actual constituency of corporate power and wealth even further? Or to dismantle the limited regulatory system set up to mitigate the impact of the financial crisis that their favorites are likely to bring about once again? And on, and on. It’s easy to condemn those we place on the other side of some divide, but more important, commonly, to explore what we take to be nearby. Correction: July 5, 2017 An earlier version of this article misstated the name of an organization that monitors nuclear weapons and disarmament. It is Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, not The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kmedina67 at gmail.com Wed Jul 5 18:33:18 2017 From: kmedina67 at gmail.com (kmedina67) Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2017 13:33:18 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union - The New York Times Message-ID: Thanks Ron. Noam Chomsky continues to keep hope. I feel so very lucky to be a contemporary.  -Karen Medina -------- Original message --------From: "Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss" Date: 7/5/17 11:00 (GMT-06:00) To: Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union - The New York Times From: "Szoke, Ron" Subject: Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union - The New York Times Date: July 5, 2017 at 10:58:17 AM CDT https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/opinion/noam-chomsky-on-trump-and-the-state-of-the-union.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0 Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union George Yancy and Noam Chomsky JULY 5, 2017 Kevin Lamarque/Reuters Over the past few months, as the disturbing prospect of a Trump administration became a disturbing reality, I decided to reach out to Noam Chomsky, the philosopher whose writing, speaking and activism has for more than 50 years provided unparalleled insight and challenges to the American and global political systems. Our conversation, as it appears here, took place as a series of email exchanges over the past two months. Although Professor Chomsky was extremely busy, because of our past intellectual exchange, he graciously provided time for this interview. Professor Chomsky is the author of numerous best-selling political works, translated into scores of languages. Among his most recent books are “Hegemony or Survival,” “Failed States,” “Hopes and Prospects,” “Masters of Mankind” and “Who Rules the World?” He has been institute professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology since 1976. — George Yancy George Yancy: Given our “post-truth” political moment and the growing authoritarianism we are witnessing under President Trump, what public role do you think professional philosophy might play in critically addressing this situation? Noam Chomsky: We have to be a little cautious about not trying to kill a gnat with an atom bomb. The performances are so utterly absurd regarding the “post-truth” moment that the proper response might best be ridicule. For example, Stephen Colbert’s recent comment is apropos: When the Republican legislature of North Carolina responded to a scientific study predicting a threatening rise in sea level by barring state and local agencies from developing regulations or planning documents to address the problem, Colbert responded: “This is a brilliant solution. If your science gives you a result that you don’t like, pass a law saying the result is illegal. Problem solved.” Quite generally, that’s how the Trump administration deals with a truly existential threat to survival of organized human life: ban regulations and even research and discussion of environmental threats and race to the precipice as quickly as possible (in the interests of short-term profit and power). G.Y.: In this regard, I find Trumpism to be a bit suicidal. N.C.: Of course, ridicule is not enough. It’s necessary to address the concerns and beliefs of those who are taken in by the fraud, or who don’t recognize the nature and significance of the issues for other reasons. If by philosophy we mean reasoned and thoughtful analysis, then it can address the moment, though not by confronting the “alternative facts” but by analyzing and clarifying what is at stake, whatever the issue is. Beyond that, what is needed is action: urgent and dedicated, in the many ways that are open to us. G.Y.: When I was an undergraduate philosophy student at the University of Pittsburgh, where I was trained in the analytic tradition, it wasn’t clear to me what philosophy meant beyond the clarification of concepts. Yet I have held onto the Marxian position that philosophy can change the world. Any thoughts on the capacity of philosophy to change the world? The most important issues to address are the truly existential threats we face: climate change and nuclear war. N.C.: I am not sure just what Marx had in mind when he wrote that “philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it.” Did he mean that philosophy could change the world, or that philosophers should turn to the higher priority of changing the world? If the former, then he presumably meant philosophy in a broad sense of the term, including analysis of the social order and ideas about why it should be changed, and how. In that broad sense, philosophy can play a role, indeed an essential role, in changing the world, and philosophers, including in the analytic tradition, have undertaken that effort, in their philosophical work as well as in their activist lives — Bertrand Russell, to mention a prominent example. G.Y.: Yes. Russell was a philosopher and a public intellectual. In those terms, how do you describe yourself? N.C.: I don’t really think about it, frankly. I engage in the kinds of work and activities that seem important and challenging to me. Some of it falls within these categories, as usually understood. G.Y.: There are times when the sheer magnitude of human suffering feels unbearable. As someone who speaks to so much suffering in the world, how do you bear witness to this and yet maintain the strength to go on? N.C.: Witnessing it is enough to provide the motivation to go on. And nothing is more inspiring to see how poor and suffering people, living under conditions incomparably worse than we endure, continue quietly and unpretentiously with courageous and committed struggle for justice and dignity. G.Y.: If you had to list two or three forms of political action that are necessary under the Trump regime, what would they be? I ask because our moment feels so incredibly hopeless and repressive. Noam Chomsky Uli Deck/picture-alliance/dpa/Associated Press N.C.: I don’t think things are quite that bleak. Take the success of the Bernie Sanders campaign, the most remarkable feature of the 2016 election. It is, after all, not all that surprising that a billionaire showman with extensive media backing (including the liberal media, entranced by his antics and the advertising revenue it afforded) should win the nomination of the ultra-reactionary Republican Party. The Sanders campaign, however, broke dramatically with over a century of U.S. political history. Extensive political science research, notably the work of Thomas Ferguson, has shown convincingly that elections are pretty much bought. For example, campaign spending alone is a remarkably good predictor of electoral success, and support of corporate power and private wealth is a virtual prerequisite even for participation in the political arena. The Sanders campaign showed that a candidate with mildly progressive (basically New Deal) programs could win the nomination, maybe the election, even without the backing of the major funders or any media support. There’s good reason to suppose that Sanders would have won the nomination had it not been for shenanigans of the Obama-Clinton party managers. He is now the most popular political figure in the country by a large margin. Activism spawned by the campaign is beginning to make inroads into electoral politics. Under Barack Obama, the Democratic Party pretty much collapsed at the crucial local and state levels, but it can be rebuilt and turned into a progressive force. That would mean reviving the New Deal legacy and moving well beyond, instead of abandoning, the working class and turning into Clintonite New Democrats, which more or less resemble what used to be called moderate Republicans, a category that has largely disappeared with the shift of both parties to the right during the neoliberal period. Republican leadership, in splendid isolation from the world, is almost unanimously dedicated to destroying the chances for decent survival. Such prospects may not be out of reach, and efforts to attain them can be combined with direct activism right now, urgently needed, to counter the legislative and executive actions of the Republican administration, often concealed behind the bluster of the figure nominally in charge. There are in fact many ways to combat the Trump project of creating a tiny America, isolated from the world, cowering in fear behind walls while pursuing the Paul Ryan-style domestic policies that represent the most savage wing of the Republican establishment. G.Y.: What are the weightiest issues facing us? N.C.: The most important issues to address are the truly existential threats we face: climate change and nuclear war. On the former, the Republican leadership, in splendid isolation from the world, is almost unanimously dedicated to destroying the chances for decent survival; strong words, but no exaggeration. There is a great deal that can be done at the local and state level to counter their malign project. On nuclear war, actions in Syria and at the Russian border raise very serious threats of confrontation that might trigger war, an unthinkable prospect. Furthermore, Trump’s pursuit of Obama’s programs of modernization of the nuclear forces poses extraordinary dangers. As we have recently learned, the modernized U.S. nuclear force is seriously fraying the slender thread on which survival is suspended. The matter is discussed in detail in a critically important article in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in March, which should have been, and remained, front-page news. The authors, highly respected analysts, observe that the nuclear weapons modernization program has increased “the overall killing power of existing U.S. ballistic missile forces by a factor of roughly three — and it creates exactly what one would expect to see, if a nuclear-armed state were planning to have the capacity to fight and win a nuclear war by disarming enemies with a surprise first strike.” The significance is clear. It means that in a moment of crisis, of which there are all too many, Russian military planners may conclude that lacking a deterrent, the only hope of survival is a first strike — which means the end for all of us. G.Y.: Frightening to the born. N.C.: In these cases, citizen action can reverse highly dangerous programs. It can also press Washington to explore diplomatic options — which are available — instead of the near reflexive resort to force and coercion in other areas, including North Korea and Iran. G.Y.: But what is it, Noam, as you continue to engage critically a broad range of injustices, that motivates this sense of social justice for you? Are there any religious motivations that frame your social justice work? If not, why not? N.C.: No religious motivations, and for sound reasons. One can contrive a religious motivation for virtually any choice of action, from commitment to the highest ideals to support for the most horrendous atrocities. In the sacred texts, we can find uplifting calls for peace, justice and mercy, along with the most genocidal passages in the literary canon. Conscience is our guide, whatever trappings we might choose to clothe it in. G.Y.: Returning to the point about bearing witness to so much suffering, what do you recommend I share with many of my undergraduate students such that they develop the capacity to bear witness to forms of suffering that are worse than we endure? Many of my students are just concerned with graduating and often seem oblivious to world suffering. N.C.: My suspicion is that those who seem oblivious to suffering, whether it is nearby or in remote corners, are for the most part unaware, perhaps blinded by doctrine and ideology. For them, the answer is to develop a critical attitude toward articles of faith, secular or religious; to encourage their capacity to question, to explore, to view the world from the standpoint of others. And direct exposure is never very far away, wherever we live — perhaps the homeless person huddling in the cold or asking for a few pennies for food, or all too many more. G.Y.: I appreciate and second your point about exposure to the suffering of others not being far away. Returning to Trump, I take it that you view him as fundamentally unpredictable. I certainly do. Should we fear a nuclear exchange of any sort in our contemporary moment? N.C.: I do, and I’m hardly the only person to have such fears. Perhaps the most prominent figure to express such concerns is William Perry, one of the leading contemporary nuclear strategists, with many years of experience at the highest level of war planning. He is reserved and cautious, not given to overstatement. He has come out of semiretirement to declare forcefully and repeatedly that he is terrified both at the extreme and mounting threats and by the failure to be concerned about them. In his words, “Today, the danger of some sort of a nuclear catastrophe is greater than it was during the Cold War, and most people are blissfully unaware of this danger.” In 1947, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists established its famous Doomsday Clock, estimating how far we are from midnight: termination. In 1947, the analysts set the clock at seven minutes to midnight. In 1953, they moved the hand to two minutes to midnight after the U.S. and U.S.S.R. exploded hydrogen bombs. Since then it has oscillated, never again reaching this danger point. In January, shortly after Trump’s inauguration, the hand was moved to two and a half minutes to midnight, the closest to terminal disaster since 1953. By this time analysts were considering not only the rising threat of nuclear war but also the firm dedication of the Republican organization to accelerate the race to environmental catastrophe. Perry is right to be terrified. And so should we all be, not least because of the person with his finger on the button and his surreal associates. G.Y.: Yet despite his unpredictability, Trump has a strong base. What makes for this kind of servile deference? N.C.: I’m not sure that “servile deference” is the right phrase, for a number of reasons. For example, who is the base? Most are relatively affluent. Three-quarters had incomes above the median. About one-third had incomes of over $100,000 a year, and thus were in the top 15 percent of personal income, in the top 6 percent of those with only a high school education. They are overwhelmingly white, mostly older, hence from historically more privileged sectors. Is Russian hacking really more significant than what we have discussed — for example, the Republican campaign to destroy the conditions for organized social existence, in defiance of the entire world? As Anthony DiMaggio reports in a careful study of the wealth of information now available, Trump voters tend to be typical Republicans, with “elitist, pro-corporate and reactionary social agendas,” and “an affluent, privileged segment of the country in terms of their income, but one that is relatively less privileged than it was in the past, before the 2008 economic collapse,” hence feeling some economic distress. Median income has dropped almost 10 percent since 2007. That’s apart from the large evangelical segment and putting aside the factors of white supremacy — deeply rooted in the United States — racism and sexism. For the majority of the base, Trump and the more savage wing of the Republican establishment are not far from their standard attitudes, though when we turn to specific policy preferences, more complex questions arise. A segment of the Trump base comes from the industrial sector that has been cast aside for decades by both parties, often from rural areas where industry and stable jobs have collapsed. Many voted for Obama, believing his message of hope and change, but were quickly disillusioned and have turned in desperation to their bitter class enemy, clinging to the hope that somehow its formal leader will come to their rescue. Another consideration is the current information system, if one can even use the phrase. For much of the base, the sources of information are Fox News, talk radio and other practitioners of alternative facts. Exposures of Trump’s misdeeds and absurdities that arouse liberal opinion are easily interpreted as attacks by the corrupt elite on the defender of the little man, in fact his cynical enemy. G.Y.: How does the lack of critical intelligence operate here, that is, the sort that philosopher John Dewey saw as essential for a democratic citizenry? N.C.: We might ask other questions about critical intelligence. For liberal opinion, the political crime of the century, as it is sometimes called, is Russian interference in American elections. The effects of the crime are undetectable, unlike the massive effects of interference by corporate power and private wealth, not considered a crime but the normal workings of democracy. That’s even putting aside the record of U.S. “interference” in foreign elections, Russia included; the word “interference” in quotes because it is so laughably inadequate, as anyone with the slightest familiarity with recent history must be aware. G.Y.: That certainly speaks to our nation’s contradictions. N.C.: Is Russian hacking really more significant than what we have discussed — for example, the Republican campaign to destroy the conditions for organized social existence, in defiance of the entire world? Or to enhance the already dire threat of terminal nuclear war? Or even such real but lesser crimes such as the Republican initiative to deprive tens of millions of health care and to drive helpless people out of nursing homes in order to enrich their actual constituency of corporate power and wealth even further? Or to dismantle the limited regulatory system set up to mitigate the impact of the financial crisis that their favorites are likely to bring about once again? And on, and on. It’s easy to condemn those we place on the other side of some divide, but more important, commonly, to explore what we take to be nearby. Correction: July 5, 2017 An earlier version of this article misstated the name of an organization that monitors nuclear weapons and disarmament. It is Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, not The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jul 5 19:41:56 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 14:41:56 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union - The New York Times In-Reply-To: <1FBEE5C7-58E4-477C-B283-6812C13105D2@illinois.edu> References: <3C76AF45-BE0D-4ED8-9AD4-E1B53B4CA08A@illinois.edu> <1FBEE5C7-58E4-477C-B283-6812C13105D2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <36F62A6E-7847-4B8F-9001-E4BA5033374E@illinois.edu> Chomsky: "Activism spawned by the campaign is beginning to make inroads into electoral politics. Under Barack Obama, the Democratic Party pretty much collapsed at the crucial local and state levels, but it can be rebuilt and turned into a progressive force. That would mean reviving the New Deal legacy and moving well beyond [it] - instead of abandoning the working class and turning into Clintonite New Democrats, which more or less resemble what used to be called moderate Republicans, a category that has largely disappeared with the shift of both parties to the right during the neoliberal period... "The most important issues to address are the truly existential threats we face: climate change and nuclear war. On the former, the Republican leadership, in splendid isolation from the world, is almost unanimously dedicated to destroying the chances for decent survival; strong words, but no exaggeration. There is a great deal that can be done at the local and state level to counter their malign project. "On nuclear war, actions in Syria and at the Russian border raise very serious threats of confrontation that might trigger war, an unthinkable prospect. Furthermore, Trump’s pursuit of Obama’s programs of modernization of the nuclear forces poses extraordinary dangers…" > On Jul 5, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > >> From: "Szoke, Ron" >> Subject: Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union - The New York Times >> Date: July 5, 2017 at 10:58:17 AM CDT >> >> >>> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/opinion/noam-chomsky-on-trump-and-the-state-of-the-union.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0 >>> >>> Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union >>> George Yancy and Noam Chomsky JULY 5, 2017 >>> >>> >>> Kevin Lamarque/Reuters >>> Over the past few months, as the disturbing prospect of a Trump administration became a disturbing reality, I decided to reach out to Noam Chomsky, the philosopher whose writing, speaking and activism has for more than 50 years provided unparalleled insight and challenges to the American and global political systems. Our conversation, as it appears here, took place as a series of email exchanges over the past two months. Although Professor Chomsky was extremely busy, because of our past intellectual exchange, he graciously provided time for this interview. >>> >>> Professor Chomsky is the author of numerous best-selling political works, translated into scores of languages. Among his most recent books are “Hegemony or Survival,” “Failed States,” “Hopes and Prospects,” “Masters of Mankind” and “Who Rules the World?” He has been institute professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology since 1976. >>> >>> — George Yancy >>> >>> George Yancy: Given our “post-truth” political moment and the growing authoritarianism we are witnessing under President Trump, what public role do you think professional philosophy might play in critically addressing this situation? >>> >>> Noam Chomsky: We have to be a little cautious about not trying to kill a gnat with an atom bomb. The performances are so utterly absurd regarding the “post-truth” moment that the proper response might best be ridicule. For example, Stephen Colbert’s recent comment is apropos: When the Republican legislature of North Carolina responded to a scientific study predicting a threatening rise in sea level by barring state and local agencies from developing regulations or planning documents to address the problem, Colbert responded: “This is a brilliant solution. If your science gives you a result that you don’t like, pass a law saying the result is illegal. Problem solved.” >>> >>> Quite generally, that’s how the Trump administration deals with a truly existential threat to survival of organized human life: ban regulations and even research and discussion of environmental threats and race to the precipice as quickly as possible (in the interests of short-term profit and power). >>> >>> G.Y.: In this regard, I find Trumpism to be a bit suicidal. >>> >>> N.C.: Of course, ridicule is not enough. It’s necessary to address the concerns and beliefs of those who are taken in by the fraud, or who don’t recognize the nature and significance of the issues for other reasons. If by philosophy we mean reasoned and thoughtful analysis, then it can address the moment, though not by confronting the “alternative facts” but by analyzing and clarifying what is at stake, whatever the issue is. Beyond that, what is needed is action: urgent and dedicated, in the many ways that are open to us. >>> >>> G.Y.: When I was an undergraduate philosophy student at the University of Pittsburgh, where I was trained in the analytic tradition, it wasn’t clear to me what philosophy meant beyond the clarification of concepts. Yet I have held onto the Marxian position that philosophy can change the world. Any thoughts on the capacity of philosophy to change the world? >>> >>> The most important >>> issues to address are >>> the truly existential >>> threats we face: climate >>> change and nuclear war. >>> N.C.: I am not sure just what Marx had in mind when he wrote that “philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it.” Did he mean that philosophy could change the world, or that philosophers should turn to the higher priority of changing the world? If the former, then he presumably meant philosophy in a broad sense of the term, including analysis of the social order and ideas about why it should be changed, and how. In that broad sense, philosophy can play a role, indeed an essential role, in changing the world, and philosophers, including in the analytic tradition, have undertaken that effort, in their philosophical work as well as in their activist lives — Bertrand Russell, to mention a prominent example. >>> >>> G.Y.: Yes. Russell was a philosopher and a public intellectual. In those terms, how do you describe yourself? >>> >>> N.C.: I don’t really think about it, frankly. I engage in the kinds of work and activities that seem important and challenging to me. Some of it falls within these categories, as usually understood. >>> >>> G.Y.: There are times when the sheer magnitude of human suffering feels unbearable. As someone who speaks to so much suffering in the world, how do you bear witness to this and yet maintain the strength to go on? >>> >>> N.C.: Witnessing it is enough to provide the motivation to go on. And nothing is more inspiring to see how poor and suffering people, living under conditions incomparably worse than we endure, continue quietly and unpretentiously with courageous and committed struggle for justice and dignity. >>> >>> G.Y.: If you had to list two or three forms of political action that are necessary under the Trump regime, what would they be? I ask because our moment feels so incredibly hopeless and repressive. >>> >>> >>> Noam Chomsky Uli Deck/picture-alliance/dpa/Associated Press >>> N.C.: I don’t think things are quite that bleak. Take the success of the Bernie Sanders campaign, the most remarkable feature of the 2016 election. It is, after all, not all that surprising that a billionaire showman with extensive media backing (including the liberal media, entranced by his antics and the advertising revenue it afforded) should win the nomination of the ultra-reactionary Republican Party. >>> >>> The Sanders campaign, however, broke dramatically with over a century of U.S. political history. Extensive political science research, notably the work of Thomas Ferguson, has shown convincingly that elections are pretty much bought. For example, campaign spending alone is a remarkably good predictor of electoral success, and support of corporate power and private wealth is a virtual prerequisite even for participation in the political arena. >>> >>> The Sanders campaign showed that a candidate with mildly progressive (basically New Deal) programs could win the nomination, maybe the election, even without the backing of the major funders or any media support. There’s good reason to suppose that Sanders would have won the nomination had it not been for shenanigans of the Obama-Clinton party managers. He is now the most popular political figure in the country by a large margin. >>> >>> Activism spawned by the campaign is beginning to make inroads into electoral politics. Under Barack Obama, the Democratic Party pretty much collapsed at the crucial local and state levels, but it can be rebuilt and turned into a progressive force. That would mean reviving the New Deal legacy and moving well beyond, instead of abandoning, the working class and turning into Clintonite New Democrats, which more or less resemble what used to be called moderate Republicans, a category that has largely disappeared with the shift of both parties to the right during the neoliberal period. >>> >>> Republican leadership, >>> in splendid isolation >>> from the world, is almost >>> unanimously dedicated >>> to destroying the chances >>> for decent survival. >>> Such prospects may not be out of reach, and efforts to attain them can be combined with direct activism right now, urgently needed, to counter the legislative and executive actions of the Republican administration, often concealed behind the bluster of the figure nominally in charge. >>> >>> There are in fact many ways to combat the Trump project of creating a tiny America, isolated from the world, cowering in fear behind walls while pursuing the Paul Ryan-style domestic policies that represent the most savage wing of the Republican establishment. >>> >>> G.Y.: What are the weightiest issues facing us? >>> >>> N.C.: The most important issues to address are the truly existential threats we face: climate change and nuclear war. On the former, the Republican leadership, in splendid isolation from the world, is almost unanimously dedicated to destroying the chances for decent survival; strong words, but no exaggeration. There is a great deal that can be done at the local and state level to counter their malign project. >>> >>> On nuclear war, actions in Syria and at the Russian border raise very serious threats of confrontation that might trigger war, an unthinkable prospect. Furthermore, Trump’s pursuit of Obama’s programs of modernization of the nuclear forces poses extraordinary dangers. As we have recently learned, the modernized U.S. nuclear force is seriously fraying the slender thread on which survival is suspended. The matter is discussed in detail in a critically important article in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in March, which should have been, and remained, front-page news. The authors, highly respected analysts, observe that the nuclear weapons modernization program has increased “the overall killing power of existing U.S. ballistic missile forces by a factor of roughly three — and it creates exactly what one would expect to see, if a nuclear-armed state were planning to have the capacity to fight and win a nuclear war by disarming enemies with a surprise first strike.” >>> >>> The significance is clear. It means that in a moment of crisis, of which there are all too many, Russian military planners may conclude that lacking a deterrent, the only hope of survival is a first strike — which means the end for all of us. >>> >>> G.Y.: Frightening to the born. >>> >>> N.C.: In these cases, citizen action can reverse highly dangerous programs. It can also press Washington to explore diplomatic options — which are available — instead of the near reflexive resort to force and coercion in other areas, including North Korea and Iran. >>> >>> G.Y.: But what is it, Noam, as you continue to engage critically a broad range of injustices, that motivates this sense of social justice for you? Are there any religious motivations that frame your social justice work? If not, why not? >>> >>> N.C.: No religious motivations, and for sound reasons. One can contrive a religious motivation for virtually any choice of action, from commitment to the highest ideals to support for the most horrendous atrocities. In the sacred texts, we can find uplifting calls for peace, justice and mercy, along with the most genocidal passages in the literary canon. Conscience is our guide, whatever trappings we might choose to clothe it in. >>> >>> G.Y.: Returning to the point about bearing witness to so much suffering, what do you recommend I share with many of my undergraduate students such that they develop the capacity to bear witness to forms of suffering that are worse than we endure? Many of my students are just concerned with graduating and often seem oblivious to world suffering. >>> >>> N.C.: My suspicion is that those who seem oblivious to suffering, whether it is nearby or in remote corners, are for the most part unaware, perhaps blinded by doctrine and ideology. For them, the answer is to develop a critical attitude toward articles of faith, secular or religious; to encourage their capacity to question, to explore, to view the world from the standpoint of others. And direct exposure is never very far away, wherever we live — perhaps the homeless person huddling in the cold or asking for a few pennies for food, or all too many more. >>> >>> G.Y.: I appreciate and second your point about exposure to the suffering of others not being far away. Returning to Trump, I take it that you view him as fundamentally unpredictable. I certainly do. Should we fear a nuclear exchange of any sort in our contemporary moment? >>> >>> N.C.: I do, and I’m hardly the only person to have such fears. Perhaps the most prominent figure to express such concerns is William Perry, one of the leading contemporary nuclear strategists, with many years of experience at the highest level of war planning. He is reserved and cautious, not given to overstatement. He has come out of semiretirement to declare forcefully and repeatedly that he is terrified both at the extreme and mounting threats and by the failure to be concerned about them. In his words, “Today, the danger of some sort of a nuclear catastrophe is greater than it was during the Cold War, and most people are blissfully unaware of this danger.” >>> >>> In 1947, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists established its famous Doomsday Clock, estimating how far we are from midnight: termination. In 1947, the analysts set the clock at seven minutes to midnight. In 1953, they moved the hand to two minutes to midnight after the U.S. and U.S.S.R. exploded hydrogen bombs. Since then it has oscillated, never again reaching this danger point. In January, shortly after Trump’s inauguration, the hand was moved to two and a half minutes to midnight, the closest to terminal disaster since 1953. By this time analysts were considering not only the rising threat of nuclear war but also the firm dedication of the Republican organization to accelerate the race to environmental catastrophe. >>> >>> Perry is right to be terrified. And so should we all be, not least because of the person with his finger on the button and his surreal associates. >>> >>> G.Y.: Yet despite his unpredictability, Trump has a strong base. What makes for this kind of servile deference? >>> >>> N.C.: I’m not sure that “servile deference” is the right phrase, for a number of reasons. For example, who is the base? Most are relatively affluent. Three-quarters had incomes above the median. About one-third had incomes of over $100,000 a year, and thus were in the top 15 percent of personal income, in the top 6 percent of those with only a high school education. They are overwhelmingly white, mostly older, hence from historically more privileged sectors. >>> >>> Is Russian hacking >>> really more significant >>> than what we have >>> discussed — for example, >>> the Republican campaign >>> to destroy the conditions >>> for organized social >>> existence, in defiance >>> of the entire world? >>> As Anthony DiMaggio reports in a careful study of the wealth of information now available, Trump voters tend to be typical Republicans, with “elitist, pro-corporate and reactionary social agendas,” and “an affluent, privileged segment of the country in terms of their income, but one that is relatively less privileged than it was in the past, before the 2008 economic collapse,” hence feeling some economic distress. Median income has dropped almost 10 percent since 2007. That’s apart from the large evangelical segment and putting aside the factors of white supremacy — deeply rooted in the United States — racism and sexism. >>> >>> For the majority of the base, Trump and the more savage wing of the Republican establishment are not far from their standard attitudes, though when we turn to specific policy preferences, more complex questions arise. >>> >>> A segment of the Trump base comes from the industrial sector that has been cast aside for decades by both parties, often from rural areas where industry and stable jobs have collapsed. Many voted for Obama, believing his message of hope and change, but were quickly disillusioned and have turned in desperation to their bitter class enemy, clinging to the hope that somehow its formal leader will come to their rescue. >>> >>> Another consideration is the current information system, if one can even use the phrase. For much of the base, the sources of information are Fox News, talk radio and other practitioners of alternative facts. Exposures of Trump’s misdeeds and absurdities that arouse liberal opinion are easily interpreted as attacks by the corrupt elite on the defender of the little man, in fact his cynical enemy. >>> >>> G.Y.: How does the lack of critical intelligence operate here, that is, the sort that philosopher John Dewey saw as essential for a democratic citizenry? >>> >>> N.C.: We might ask other questions about critical intelligence. For liberal opinion, the political crime of the century, as it is sometimes called, is Russian interference in American elections. The effects of the crime are undetectable, unlike the massive effects of interference by corporate power and private wealth, not considered a crime but the normal workings of democracy. That’s even putting aside the record of U.S. “interference” in foreign elections, Russia included; the word “interference” in quotes because it is so laughably inadequate, as anyone with the slightest familiarity with recent history must be aware. >>> >>> G.Y.: That certainly speaks to our nation’s contradictions. >>> >>> N.C.: Is Russian hacking really more significant than what we have discussed — for example, the Republican campaign to destroy the conditions for organized social existence, in defiance of the entire world? Or to enhance the already dire threat of terminal nuclear war? Or even such real but lesser crimes such as the Republican initiative to deprive tens of millions of health care and to drive helpless people out of nursing homes in order to enrich their actual constituency of corporate power and wealth even further? Or to dismantle the limited regulatory system set up to mitigate the impact of the financial crisis that their favorites are likely to bring about once again? And on, and on. >>> >>> It’s easy to condemn those we place on the other side of some divide, but more important, commonly, to explore what we take to be nearby. >>> >>> Correction: July 5, 2017 >>> An earlier version of this article misstated the name of an organization that monitors nuclear weapons and disarmament. It is Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, not The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jul 5 20:41:01 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 15:41:01 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union - The New York Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chomsky: "Activism spawned by the campaign is beginning to make inroads into electoral politics. Under Barack Obama, the Democratic Party pretty much collapsed at the crucial local and state levels, but it can be rebuilt and turned into a progressive force. That would mean reviving the New Deal legacy and moving well beyond [it] - instead of abandoning the working class and turning into Clintonite New Democrats, which more or less resemble what used to be called moderate Republicans, a category that has largely disappeared with the shift of both parties to the right during the neoliberal period... "The most important issues to address are the truly existential threats we face: climate change and nuclear war. On the former, the Republican leadership, in splendid isolation from the world, is almost unanimously dedicated to destroying the chances for decent survival; strong words, but no exaggeration. There is a great deal that can be done at the local and state level to counter their malign project. "On nuclear war, actions in Syria and at the Russian border raise very serious threats of confrontation that might trigger war, an unthinkable prospect. Furthermore, Trump’s pursuit of Obama’s programs of modernization of the nuclear forces poses extraordinary dangers…” > On Jul 5, 2017, at 1:33 PM, kmedina67 via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > Thanks Ron. > Noam Chomsky continues to keep hope. I feel so very lucky to be a contemporary. > > > -Karen Medina > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss" > Date: 7/5/17 11:00 (GMT-06:00) > To: Peace Discuss > Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union - The New York Times > > >> From: "Szoke, Ron" >> Subject: Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union - The New York Times >> Date: July 5, 2017 at 10:58:17 AM CDT >> >> >>> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/opinion/noam-chomsky-on-trump-and-the-state-of-the-union.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region®ion=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=0 >>> >>> Noam Chomsky: On Trump and the State of the Union >>> George Yancy and Noam Chomsky JULY 5, 2017 >>> >>> >>> Kevin Lamarque/Reuters >>> Over the past few months, as the disturbing prospect of a Trump administration became a disturbing reality, I decided to reach out to Noam Chomsky, the philosopher whose writing, speaking and activism has for more than 50 years provided unparalleled insight and challenges to the American and global political systems. Our conversation, as it appears here, took place as a series of email exchanges over the past two months. Although Professor Chomsky was extremely busy, because of our past intellectual exchange, he graciously provided time for this interview. >>> >>> Professor Chomsky is the author of numerous best-selling political works, translated into scores of languages. Among his most recent books are “Hegemony or Survival,” “Failed States,” “Hopes and Prospects,” “Masters of Mankind” and “Who Rules the World?” He has been institute professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology since 1976. >>> >>> — George Yancy >>> >>> George Yancy: Given our “post-truth” political moment and the growing authoritarianism we are witnessing under President Trump, what public role do you think professional philosophy might play in critically addressing this situation? >>> >>> Noam Chomsky: We have to be a little cautious about not trying to kill a gnat with an atom bomb. The performances are so utterly absurd regarding the “post-truth” moment that the proper response might best be ridicule. For example, Stephen Colbert’s recent comment is apropos: When the Republican legislature of North Carolina responded to a scientific study predicting a threatening rise in sea level by barring state and local agencies from developing regulations or planning documents to address the problem, Colbert responded: “This is a brilliant solution. If your science gives you a result that you don’t like, pass a law saying the result is illegal. Problem solved.” >>> >>> Quite generally, that’s how the Trump administration deals with a truly existential threat to survival of organized human life: ban regulations and even research and discussion of environmental threats and race to the precipice as quickly as possible (in the interests of short-term profit and power). >>> >>> G.Y.: In this regard, I find Trumpism to be a bit suicidal. >>> >>> N.C.: Of course, ridicule is not enough. It’s necessary to address the concerns and beliefs of those who are taken in by the fraud, or who don’t recognize the nature and significance of the issues for other reasons. If by philosophy we mean reasoned and thoughtful analysis, then it can address the moment, though not by confronting the “alternative facts” but by analyzing and clarifying what is at stake, whatever the issue is. Beyond that, what is needed is action: urgent and dedicated, in the many ways that are open to us. >>> >>> G.Y.: When I was an undergraduate philosophy student at the University of Pittsburgh, where I was trained in the analytic tradition, it wasn’t clear to me what philosophy meant beyond the clarification of concepts. Yet I have held onto the Marxian position that philosophy can change the world. Any thoughts on the capacity of philosophy to change the world? >>> >>> The most important >>> issues to address are >>> the truly existential >>> threats we face: climate >>> change and nuclear war. >>> N.C.: I am not sure just what Marx had in mind when he wrote that “philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it.” Did he mean that philosophy could change the world, or that philosophers should turn to the higher priority of changing the world? If the former, then he presumably meant philosophy in a broad sense of the term, including analysis of the social order and ideas about why it should be changed, and how. In that broad sense, philosophy can play a role, indeed an essential role, in changing the world, and philosophers, including in the analytic tradition, have undertaken that effort, in their philosophical work as well as in their activist lives — Bertrand Russell, to mention a prominent example. >>> >>> G.Y.: Yes. Russell was a philosopher and a public intellectual. In those terms, how do you describe yourself? >>> >>> N.C.: I don’t really think about it, frankly. I engage in the kinds of work and activities that seem important and challenging to me. Some of it falls within these categories, as usually understood. >>> >>> G.Y.: There are times when the sheer magnitude of human suffering feels unbearable. As someone who speaks to so much suffering in the world, how do you bear witness to this and yet maintain the strength to go on? >>> >>> N.C.: Witnessing it is enough to provide the motivation to go on. And nothing is more inspiring to see how poor and suffering people, living under conditions incomparably worse than we endure, continue quietly and unpretentiously with courageous and committed struggle for justice and dignity. >>> >>> G.Y.: If you had to list two or three forms of political action that are necessary under the Trump regime, what would they be? I ask because our moment feels so incredibly hopeless and repressive. >>> >>> >>> Noam Chomsky Uli Deck/picture-alliance/dpa/Associated Press >>> N.C.: I don’t think things are quite that bleak. Take the success of the Bernie Sanders campaign, the most remarkable feature of the 2016 election. It is, after all, not all that surprising that a billionaire showman with extensive media backing (including the liberal media, entranced by his antics and the advertising revenue it afforded) should win the nomination of the ultra-reactionary Republican Party. >>> >>> The Sanders campaign, however, broke dramatically with over a century of U.S. political history. Extensive political science research, notably the work of Thomas Ferguson, has shown convincingly that elections are pretty much bought. For example, campaign spending alone is a remarkably good predictor of electoral success, and support of corporate power and private wealth is a virtual prerequisite even for participation in the political arena. >>> >>> The Sanders campaign showed that a candidate with mildly progressive (basically New Deal) programs could win the nomination, maybe the election, even without the backing of the major funders or any media support. There’s good reason to suppose that Sanders would have won the nomination had it not been for shenanigans of the Obama-Clinton party managers. He is now the most popular political figure in the country by a large margin. >>> >>> Activism spawned by the campaign is beginning to make inroads into electoral politics. Under Barack Obama, the Democratic Party pretty much collapsed at the crucial local and state levels, but it can be rebuilt and turned into a progressive force. That would mean reviving the New Deal legacy and moving well beyond, instead of abandoning, the working class and turning into Clintonite New Democrats, which more or less resemble what used to be called moderate Republicans, a category that has largely disappeared with the shift of both parties to the right during the neoliberal period. >>> >>> Republican leadership, >>> in splendid isolation >>> from the world, is almost >>> unanimously dedicated >>> to destroying the chances >>> for decent survival. >>> Such prospects may not be out of reach, and efforts to attain them can be combined with direct activism right now, urgently needed, to counter the legislative and executive actions of the Republican administration, often concealed behind the bluster of the figure nominally in charge. >>> >>> There are in fact many ways to combat the Trump project of creating a tiny America, isolated from the world, cowering in fear behind walls while pursuing the Paul Ryan-style domestic policies that represent the most savage wing of the Republican establishment. >>> >>> G.Y.: What are the weightiest issues facing us? >>> >>> N.C.: The most important issues to address are the truly existential threats we face: climate change and nuclear war. On the former, the Republican leadership, in splendid isolation from the world, is almost unanimously dedicated to destroying the chances for decent survival; strong words, but no exaggeration. There is a great deal that can be done at the local and state level to counter their malign project. >>> >>> On nuclear war, actions in Syria and at the Russian border raise very serious threats of confrontation that might trigger war, an unthinkable prospect. Furthermore, Trump’s pursuit of Obama’s programs of modernization of the nuclear forces poses extraordinary dangers. As we have recently learned, the modernized U.S. nuclear force is seriously fraying the slender thread on which survival is suspended. The matter is discussed in detail in a critically important article in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in March, which should have been, and remained, front-page news. The authors, highly respected analysts, observe that the nuclear weapons modernization program has increased “the overall killing power of existing U.S. ballistic missile forces by a factor of roughly three — and it creates exactly what one would expect to see, if a nuclear-armed state were planning to have the capacity to fight and win a nuclear war by disarming enemies with a surprise first strike.” >>> >>> The significance is clear. It means that in a moment of crisis, of which there are all too many, Russian military planners may conclude that lacking a deterrent, the only hope of survival is a first strike — which means the end for all of us. >>> >>> G.Y.: Frightening to the born. >>> >>> N.C.: In these cases, citizen action can reverse highly dangerous programs. It can also press Washington to explore diplomatic options — which are available — instead of the near reflexive resort to force and coercion in other areas, including North Korea and Iran. >>> >>> G.Y.: But what is it, Noam, as you continue to engage critically a broad range of injustices, that motivates this sense of social justice for you? Are there any religious motivations that frame your social justice work? If not, why not? >>> >>> N.C.: No religious motivations, and for sound reasons. One can contrive a religious motivation for virtually any choice of action, from commitment to the highest ideals to support for the most horrendous atrocities. In the sacred texts, we can find uplifting calls for peace, justice and mercy, along with the most genocidal passages in the literary canon. Conscience is our guide, whatever trappings we might choose to clothe it in. >>> >>> G.Y.: Returning to the point about bearing witness to so much suffering, what do you recommend I share with many of my undergraduate students such that they develop the capacity to bear witness to forms of suffering that are worse than we endure? Many of my students are just concerned with graduating and often seem oblivious to world suffering. >>> >>> N.C.: My suspicion is that those who seem oblivious to suffering, whether it is nearby or in remote corners, are for the most part unaware, perhaps blinded by doctrine and ideology. For them, the answer is to develop a critical attitude toward articles of faith, secular or religious; to encourage their capacity to question, to explore, to view the world from the standpoint of others. And direct exposure is never very far away, wherever we live — perhaps the homeless person huddling in the cold or asking for a few pennies for food, or all too many more. >>> >>> G.Y.: I appreciate and second your point about exposure to the suffering of others not being far away. Returning to Trump, I take it that you view him as fundamentally unpredictable. I certainly do. Should we fear a nuclear exchange of any sort in our contemporary moment? >>> >>> N.C.: I do, and I’m hardly the only person to have such fears. Perhaps the most prominent figure to express such concerns is William Perry, one of the leading contemporary nuclear strategists, with many years of experience at the highest level of war planning. He is reserved and cautious, not given to overstatement. He has come out of semiretirement to declare forcefully and repeatedly that he is terrified both at the extreme and mounting threats and by the failure to be concerned about them. In his words, “Today, the danger of some sort of a nuclear catastrophe is greater than it was during the Cold War, and most people are blissfully unaware of this danger.” >>> >>> In 1947, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists established its famous Doomsday Clock, estimating how far we are from midnight: termination. In 1947, the analysts set the clock at seven minutes to midnight. In 1953, they moved the hand to two minutes to midnight after the U.S. and U.S.S.R. exploded hydrogen bombs. Since then it has oscillated, never again reaching this danger point. In January, shortly after Trump’s inauguration, the hand was moved to two and a half minutes to midnight, the closest to terminal disaster since 1953. By this time analysts were considering not only the rising threat of nuclear war but also the firm dedication of the Republican organization to accelerate the race to environmental catastrophe. >>> >>> Perry is right to be terrified. And so should we all be, not least because of the person with his finger on the button and his surreal associates. >>> >>> G.Y.: Yet despite his unpredictability, Trump has a strong base. What makes for this kind of servile deference? >>> >>> N.C.: I’m not sure that “servile deference” is the right phrase, for a number of reasons. For example, who is the base? Most are relatively affluent. Three-quarters had incomes above the median. About one-third had incomes of over $100,000 a year, and thus were in the top 15 percent of personal income, in the top 6 percent of those with only a high school education. They are overwhelmingly white, mostly older, hence from historically more privileged sectors. >>> >>> Is Russian hacking >>> really more significant >>> than what we have >>> discussed — for example, >>> the Republican campaign >>> to destroy the conditions >>> for organized social >>> existence, in defiance >>> of the entire world? >>> As Anthony DiMaggio reports in a careful study of the wealth of information now available, Trump voters tend to be typical Republicans, with “elitist, pro-corporate and reactionary social agendas,” and “an affluent, privileged segment of the country in terms of their income, but one that is relatively less privileged than it was in the past, before the 2008 economic collapse,” hence feeling some economic distress. Median income has dropped almost 10 percent since 2007. That’s apart from the large evangelical segment and putting aside the factors of white supremacy — deeply rooted in the United States — racism and sexism. >>> >>> For the majority of the base, Trump and the more savage wing of the Republican establishment are not far from their standard attitudes, though when we turn to specific policy preferences, more complex questions arise. >>> >>> A segment of the Trump base comes from the industrial sector that has been cast aside for decades by both parties, often from rural areas where industry and stable jobs have collapsed. Many voted for Obama, believing his message of hope and change, but were quickly disillusioned and have turned in desperation to their bitter class enemy, clinging to the hope that somehow its formal leader will come to their rescue. >>> >>> Another consideration is the current information system, if one can even use the phrase. For much of the base, the sources of information are Fox News, talk radio and other practitioners of alternative facts. Exposures of Trump’s misdeeds and absurdities that arouse liberal opinion are easily interpreted as attacks by the corrupt elite on the defender of the little man, in fact his cynical enemy. >>> >>> G.Y.: How does the lack of critical intelligence operate here, that is, the sort that philosopher John Dewey saw as essential for a democratic citizenry? >>> >>> N.C.: We might ask other questions about critical intelligence. For liberal opinion, the political crime of the century, as it is sometimes called, is Russian interference in American elections. The effects of the crime are undetectable, unlike the massive effects of interference by corporate power and private wealth, not considered a crime but the normal workings of democracy. That’s even putting aside the record of U.S. “interference” in foreign elections, Russia included; the word “interference” in quotes because it is so laughably inadequate, as anyone with the slightest familiarity with recent history must be aware. >>> >>> G.Y.: That certainly speaks to our nation’s contradictions. >>> >>> N.C.: Is Russian hacking really more significant than what we have discussed — for example, the Republican campaign to destroy the conditions for organized social existence, in defiance of the entire world? Or to enhance the already dire threat of terminal nuclear war? Or even such real but lesser crimes such as the Republican initiative to deprive tens of millions of health care and to drive helpless people out of nursing homes in order to enrich their actual constituency of corporate power and wealth even further? Or to dismantle the limited regulatory system set up to mitigate the impact of the financial crisis that their favorites are likely to bring about once again? And on, and on. >>> >>> It’s easy to condemn those we place on the other side of some divide, but more important, commonly, to explore what we take to be nearby. >>> >>> Correction: July 5, 2017 >>> An earlier version of this article misstated the name of an organization that monitors nuclear weapons and disarmament. It is Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, not The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From cge at shout.net Thu Jul 6 16:31:26 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 11:31:26 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The anti-war movement hasn't gone away In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> Message-ID: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/07/clinton-because-communities/ Clinton lost because war-ravaged communities in PA, WI, and MI saw her as pro-war, study says From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jul 6 19:47:13 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:47:13 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump: Seek Peace with Russia in Syria - As Advocated by David Ignatius In-Reply-To: <4008814869.-132860643@org.orgDB.reply.salsalabs.com> References: <4008814869.-132860643@org.orgDB.reply.salsalabs.com> Message-ID: This is just the US plan for the Balkanization of Syria (and the entire Mideast). Russia is there legally; the US isn’t. And Ignatius has long been a propagandist for the CIA. Stop the killing by insisting on the withdrawal of US troops (and weapons) from Syria and all of MENA. —C. G. Estabrook > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Just Foreign Policy wrote: > > > Dear C. G., > > > Urge Trump & Congress to seek a peace deal with Russia in Syria. > > Take Action. > > There is an apparent split in the foreign policy establishment over diplomacy with Russia to resolve the war in Syria. We want to help the pro-diplomacy faction of the establishment defeat the anti-diplomacy faction of the establishment so we can have less war. Washington Post columnist David Ignatius is a "liberal insider," someone considered "close to the U.S. foreign policy establishment" and he is now advocating for diplomacy with Russia, an “official U.S. adversary”, as the “best path to peace in Syria". > > Urge President Trump & Congress to back David Ignatius' call to work with Russia for peace in Syria by signing our petition at MoveOn. > > As David Ignatius reported in the Washington Post, the United States and Russia successfully negotiated agreement on a buffer zone and "deconfliction line" in Syria. The agreement allows the United States and its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and the Syrian government take the city of Deir al-Zour. The agreement on the line keeps the combatants focused on fighting the Islamic State, rather than fighting each other. [1] > > Ignatius says the U.S. and Russia should discuss whether this agreement is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria to defeat the Islamic State, stabilize Syria, and discuss a political future. Working with Russia, Ignatius says, may be the only way to reduce the violence in Syria and create a foundation for a more decentralized nation that can recover from its tragic war. Secretary of State Tillerson and Defense Secretary Mattis favor exploring options with Russia, Ignatius notes. "We see the potential for it," a senior State Department official said. "So far Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort." > > Some "hawks" in the National Security Council and Congress don't want to work with Russia, even if that is the only way to reduce the violence in Syria. But the likely alternative to working with Russia in Syria is more violence and more casualties for U.S. troops. A recent academic study attributed Donald Trump's victory in November to communities hit hardest by military casualties and angry about being ignored. [2] > > Urge President Trump & Congress to support a wider agreement with Russia on Syria to reduce violence & protect U.S. troops by signing and sharing our petition. > > Thanks for all you do to help make U.S. foreign policy more just, > > Robert Naiman, Avram Reisman, and Sarah Burns > Just Foreign Policy > > If you think our work is important, support us with a $17 donation. > http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/donate > > References: > 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/working-with-russia-might-be-the-best-path-to-peace-in-syria/2017/07/04/c2589c9e-6029-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html > 2. http://reason.com/blog/2017/07/03/did-endless-war-cost-hillary-clinton-the > > > > > > > > > > © 2016 Just Foreign Policy > > Click here to unsubscribe > > > From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Thu Jul 6 19:57:10 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 14:57:10 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump: Seek Peace with Russia in Syria - As Advocated by David Ignatius In-Reply-To: References: <4008814869.-132860643@org.orgDB.reply.salsalabs.com> Message-ID: Let a hundred flowers bloom. The general climate against talking to Russia is so radioactive that we tried to introduce the topic with a gateway drug. Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > This is just the US plan for the Balkanization of Syria (and the entire > Mideast). > > Russia is there legally; the US isn’t. And Ignatius has long been a > propagandist for the CIA. > > Stop the killing by insisting on the withdrawal of US troops (and weapons) > from Syria and all of MENA. > > —C. G. Estabrook > > > > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Just Foreign Policy < > info at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote: > > > > > > Dear C. G., > > > > > > Urge Trump & Congress to seek a peace deal with Russia in Syria. > > > > Take Action. > > > > There is an apparent split in the foreign policy establishment over > diplomacy with Russia to resolve the war in Syria. We want to help the > pro-diplomacy faction of the establishment defeat the anti-diplomacy > faction of the establishment so we can have less war. Washington Post > columnist David Ignatius is a "liberal insider," someone considered "close > to the U.S. foreign policy establishment" and he is now advocating for > diplomacy with Russia, an “official U.S. adversary”, as the “best path to > peace in Syria". > > > > Urge President Trump & Congress to back David Ignatius' call to work > with Russia for peace in Syria by signing our petition at MoveOn. > > > > As David Ignatius reported in the Washington Post, the United States and > Russia successfully negotiated agreement on a buffer zone and > "deconfliction line" in Syria. The agreement allows the United States and > its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and > the Syrian government take the city of Deir al-Zour. The agreement on the > line keeps the combatants focused on fighting the Islamic State, rather > than fighting each other. [1] > > > > Ignatius says the U.S. and Russia should discuss whether this agreement > is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria to defeat the > Islamic State, stabilize Syria, and discuss a political future. Working > with Russia, Ignatius says, may be the only way to reduce the violence in > Syria and create a foundation for a more decentralized nation that can > recover from its tragic war. Secretary of State Tillerson and Defense > Secretary Mattis favor exploring options with Russia, Ignatius notes. "We > see the potential for it," a senior State Department official said. "So far > Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort." > > > > Some "hawks" in the National Security Council and Congress don't want to > work with Russia, even if that is the only way to reduce the violence in > Syria. But the likely alternative to working with Russia in Syria is more > violence and more casualties for U.S. troops. A recent academic study > attributed Donald Trump's victory in November to communities hit hardest by > military casualties and angry about being ignored. [2] > > > > Urge President Trump & Congress to support a wider agreement with Russia > on Syria to reduce violence & protect U.S. troops by signing and sharing > our petition. > > > > Thanks for all you do to help make U.S. foreign policy more just, > > > > Robert Naiman, Avram Reisman, and Sarah Burns > > Just Foreign Policy > > > > If you think our work is important, support us with a $17 donation. > > http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/donate > > > > References: > > 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/ > working-with-russia-might-be-the-best-path-to-peace-in- > syria/2017/07/04/c2589c9e-6029-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html > > 2. http://reason.com/blog/2017/07/03/did-endless-war-cost- > hillary-clinton-the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > © 2016 Just Foreign Policy > > > > Click here to unsubscribe > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jul 6 20:58:29 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:58:29 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump: Seek Peace with Russia in Syria - As Advocated by David Ignatius In-Reply-To: References: <4008814869.-132860643@org.orgDB.reply.salsalabs.com> Message-ID: 'Talking to Russia’ is going on all along, from military contacts in the Mideast to the G-20. The “climate against talking to Russia" is a propaganda construct of the Clinton campaign and its allies in the US political establishment. John Pilger wrote accurately before the election, “The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire.” The US strategy has long been control of Mideast energy flows by establishing biddable governments, by hook or crook, throughout the region. Control, not just access, is the goal - and the ultimate target is China. (The Pentagon phrase is “offshore control” - of China’s econmy, since it imports most of its energy resources.) The secular government of Syria was recalcitrant, so the Obama administration sent jihadists (the US invented jihadism, in Brzezinski’s time) to overthrow it. That was frustrated by Russian support, so the US is falling back on a plan to Balkanize the region, to limit Damascus’ (and Teheran’s) influence. Ignatius is a notorious CIA asset, practicing ’triangulation’ with the ‘hawk’s' position’ - to advance US Mideast imperialism effectively. —CGE > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > Let a hundred flowers bloom. > > The general climate against talking to Russia is so radioactive that we tried to introduce the topic with a gateway drug. > > > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 > > > > > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > This is just the US plan for the Balkanization of Syria (and the entire Mideast). > > Russia is there legally; the US isn’t. And Ignatius has long been a propagandist for the CIA. > > Stop the killing by insisting on the withdrawal of US troops (and weapons) from Syria and all of MENA. > > —C. G. Estabrook > > > > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Just Foreign Policy > wrote: > > > > > > Dear C. G., > > > > > > Urge Trump & Congress to seek a peace deal with Russia in Syria. > > > > Take Action. > > > > There is an apparent split in the foreign policy establishment over diplomacy with Russia to resolve the war in Syria. We want to help the pro-diplomacy faction of the establishment defeat the anti-diplomacy faction of the establishment so we can have less war. Washington Post columnist David Ignatius is a "liberal insider," someone considered "close to the U.S. foreign policy establishment" and he is now advocating for diplomacy with Russia, an “official U.S. adversary”, as the “best path to peace in Syria". > > > > Urge President Trump & Congress to back David Ignatius' call to work with Russia for peace in Syria by signing our petition at MoveOn. > > > > As David Ignatius reported in the Washington Post, the United States and Russia successfully negotiated agreement on a buffer zone and "deconfliction line" in Syria. The agreement allows the United States and its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and the Syrian government take the city of Deir al-Zour. The agreement on the line keeps the combatants focused on fighting the Islamic State, rather than fighting each other. [1] > > > > Ignatius says the U.S. and Russia should discuss whether this agreement is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria to defeat the Islamic State, stabilize Syria, and discuss a political future. Working with Russia, Ignatius says, may be the only way to reduce the violence in Syria and create a foundation for a more decentralized nation that can recover from its tragic war. Secretary of State Tillerson and Defense Secretary Mattis favor exploring options with Russia, Ignatius notes. "We see the potential for it," a senior State Department official said. "So far Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort." > > > > Some "hawks" in the National Security Council and Congress don't want to work with Russia, even if that is the only way to reduce the violence in Syria. But the likely alternative to working with Russia in Syria is more violence and more casualties for U.S. troops. A recent academic study attributed Donald Trump's victory in November to communities hit hardest by military casualties and angry about being ignored. [2] > > > > Urge President Trump & Congress to support a wider agreement with Russia on Syria to reduce violence & protect U.S. troops by signing and sharing our petition. > > > > Thanks for all you do to help make U.S. foreign policy more just, > > > > Robert Naiman, Avram Reisman, and Sarah Burns > > Just Foreign Policy > > > > If you think our work is important, support us with a $17 donation. > > http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/donate > > > > References: > > 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/working-with-russia-might-be-the-best-path-to-peace-in-syria/2017/07/04/c2589c9e-6029-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html > > 2. http://reason.com/blog/2017/07/03/did-endless-war-cost-hillary-clinton-the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > © 2016 Just Foreign Policy > > > > Click here to unsubscribe > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Thu Jul 6 21:25:18 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 16:25:18 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump: Seek Peace with Russia in Syria - As Advocated by David Ignatius Message-ID: Here's what the CIA agent at the Washington Post had to say for himself. === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 === David Ignatius: Working with Russia might be the best path to peace in Syria https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/ working-with-russia-might-be-the-best-path-to-peace-in- syria/2017/07/04/c2589c9e-6029-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html By David Ignatius Opinion writer July 4 at 7:26 PM TABQA, Syria When Donald Trump meets Vladimir Putin this Friday in Hamburg, the two presidents should have in the back of their minds the insignia worn by the Syrian Democratic Forces militia, which is the United States’ main ally here. The patch shows a map of Syria bisected by the sharp blue line of the Euphrates River. The Euphrates marks the informal “deconfliction” line between the Russian-backed Syrian regime west of the river, and the U.S.-backed and Kurdish-led SDF to the east. In the past several weeks, the two powers negotiated a useful adjustment of the line — creating a roughly 80-mile arc that stretches south, from near this battlefront city on Lake Assad, to a town called Karama on the Euphrates. U.S.-Russian agreement on this buffer zone is a promising sign. It allows, in effect, for the United States and its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and the Syrian regime take the city of Deir al-Zour, to the southeast. The line keeps the combatants focused on the Islamic State, rather than sparring with each other. What Trump and Putin should discuss at the Group of 20 summit is whether this recent agreement on the separation line is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria. This broader effort would seek to defeat the Islamic State; stabilize a battered, fragmented Syria; and, eventually, discuss a political future. But is it practical? Russian-American cooperation on Syria faces a huge obstacle right now. It would legitimize a Russian regime that invaded Ukraine and meddled in U.S. and European elections, in addition to its intervention in Syria. Putin’s very name is toxic in Congress and the U.S. media these days, and Trump is blasted for even considering compromise. Against these negatives, there’s only one positive argument: Working with Russia may be the only way to reduce the level of violence in Syria and to create a foundation for a calmer, more decentralized nation that can eventually recover from its tragic war. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis are said to favor exploring options with Russia. “We see the potential for it,” a senior State Department official said Tuesday. “So far Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort.” But there’s a contrary view among some hawkish National Security Council staffers and members of Congress. They argue that working with Russia would empower its allies, Iran and the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad, and give a green light for their future role in Syria. An extreme version of this view argues that the United States should mount a military campaign to block Iran and its Shiite militia allies in Iraq and Syria from obtaining a corridor across southeast Syria that would link Iran to Lebanon. This militant stance ignores two practical points: Iran already has such a corridor, but it doesn’t stop the United States or Israel from attacking dangerous arms shipments; and an assault on Shiite militias might draw the United States into a long, costly war that could spread across the Middle East. It’s worth examining the process that established the Euphrates arc of deconfliction, because it shows how different Russia’s public and private actions have been. A Russian official initially suggested the Euphrates boundary about 18 months ago, according to a U.S. official. But it wasn’t formalized, so the two countries had been operating on an ad hoc basis. This rough deconfliction system worked at three levels. There was daily phone consultation between colonels, supplemented by occasional contacts at the one-star level between the U.S. headquarters in Baghdad and Russian headquarters near Tartus, Syria. Big issues went to the U.S. commander, Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend, and his Russian counterpart, Col. Gen. Sergei Surovikin. A crisis arose last month when several Syrian tanks pushed north of what U.S. commanders believed was the informal line of separation. When this small Syrian force was backed by a Syrian Su-22 fighter jet, the United States shot down the plane. The Russians announced that they were suspending contacts, and “for a few hours, it looked pretty hairy,” recalls one U.S. official. But the Russians quietly resumed talking, and by late June, the two sides had agreed on the formal arc, with precisely delineated coordinates. Similar U.S.-Russian cooperation has been calming tensions the past few weeks in southwest Syria. Those talks have been backed by Israel and Jordan, which border the zone. That, too, is a potential model for how de-escalation can work. Cooperating with the Russians in Syria would be distasteful, given their past actions. But spurning them would keep this volatile country at the flash point and almost certainly make things worse rather than better for all sides. === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 <%28202%29%20448-2898> To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > 'Talking to Russia’ is going on all along, from military contacts in the > Mideast to the G-20. > > The “climate against talking to Russia" is a propaganda construct of the > Clinton campaign and its allies in the US political establishment. > > John Pilger wrote accurately before the election, “The CIA has demanded > Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. > The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent > Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These > tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar > business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be > undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. > Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – > however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so > dire.” > > The US strategy has long been control of Mideast energy flows by > establishing biddable governments, by hook or crook, throughout the region. > > Control, not just access, is the goal - and the ultimate target is China. > (The Pentagon phrase is “offshore control” - of China’s econmy, since it > imports most of its energy resources.) > > The secular government of Syria was recalcitrant, so the Obama > administration sent jihadists (the US invented jihadism, in Brzezinski’s > time) to overthrow it. > > That was frustrated by Russian support, so the US is falling back on a > plan to Balkanize the region, to limit Damascus’ (and Teheran’s) influence. > > Ignatius is a notorious CIA asset, practicing ’triangulation’ with the > ‘hawk’s' position’ - to advance US Mideast imperialism effectively. > > —CGE > > > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: > > Let a hundred flowers bloom. > > The general climate against talking to Russia is so radioactive that we > tried to introduce the topic with a gateway drug. > > > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> > > To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 > > > > > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> This is just the US plan for the Balkanization of Syria (and the entire >> Mideast). >> >> Russia is there legally; the US isn’t. And Ignatius has long been a >> propagandist for the CIA. >> >> Stop the killing by insisting on the withdrawal of US troops (and >> weapons) from Syria and all of MENA. >> >> —C. G. Estabrook >> >> >> > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Just Foreign Policy < >> info at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Dear C. G., >> > >> > >> > Urge Trump & Congress to seek a peace deal with Russia in Syria. >> > >> > Take Action. >> > >> > There is an apparent split in the foreign policy establishment over >> diplomacy with Russia to resolve the war in Syria. We want to help the >> pro-diplomacy faction of the establishment defeat the anti-diplomacy >> faction of the establishment so we can have less war. Washington Post >> columnist David Ignatius is a "liberal insider," someone considered "close >> to the U.S. foreign policy establishment" and he is now advocating for >> diplomacy with Russia, an “official U.S. adversary”, as the “best path to >> peace in Syria". >> > >> > Urge President Trump & Congress to back David Ignatius' call to work >> with Russia for peace in Syria by signing our petition at MoveOn. >> > >> > As David Ignatius reported in the Washington Post, the United States >> and Russia successfully negotiated agreement on a buffer zone and >> "deconfliction line" in Syria. The agreement allows the United States and >> its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and >> the Syrian government take the city of Deir al-Zour. The agreement on the >> line keeps the combatants focused on fighting the Islamic State, rather >> than fighting each other. [1] >> > >> > Ignatius says the U.S. and Russia should discuss whether this agreement >> is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria to defeat the >> Islamic State, stabilize Syria, and discuss a political future. Working >> with Russia, Ignatius says, may be the only way to reduce the violence in >> Syria and create a foundation for a more decentralized nation that can >> recover from its tragic war. Secretary of State Tillerson and Defense >> Secretary Mattis favor exploring options with Russia, Ignatius notes. "We >> see the potential for it," a senior State Department official said. "So far >> Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort." >> > >> > Some "hawks" in the National Security Council and Congress don't want >> to work with Russia, even if that is the only way to reduce the violence in >> Syria. But the likely alternative to working with Russia in Syria is more >> violence and more casualties for U.S. troops. A recent academic study >> attributed Donald Trump's victory in November to communities hit hardest by >> military casualties and angry about being ignored. [2] >> > >> > Urge President Trump & Congress to support a wider agreement with >> Russia on Syria to reduce violence & protect U.S. troops by signing and >> sharing our petition. >> > >> > Thanks for all you do to help make U.S. foreign policy more just, >> > >> > Robert Naiman, Avram Reisman, and Sarah Burns >> > Just Foreign Policy >> > >> > If you think our work is important, support us with a $17 donation. >> > http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/donate >> > >> > References: >> > 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/work >> ing-with-russia-might-be-the-best-path-to-peace-in-syria/ >> 2017/07/04/c2589c9e-6029-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html >> > 2. http://reason.com/blog/2017/07/03/did-endless-war-cost-hilla >> ry-clinton-the >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > © 2016 Just Foreign Policy >> > >> > Click here to unsubscribe >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 16:58:36 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump: Seek Peace with Russia in Syria - As Advocated by David Ignatius In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The CIA wants to “cooperate with the Russians in Syria” - rather like Germany wanted to “cooperate with the Russians” in Poland in 1939. > On Jul 6, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > Here's what the CIA agent at the Washington Post had to say for himself. > > === > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 > > === > > David Ignatius: Working with Russia might be the best path to peace in Syria > https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/working-with-russia-might-be-the-best-path-to-peace-in-syria/2017/07/04/c2589c9e-6029-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html > > By David Ignatius Opinion writer July 4 at 7:26 PM > > TABQA, Syria > > When Donald Trump meets Vladimir Putin this Friday in Hamburg, the two presidents should have in the back of their minds the insignia worn by the Syrian Democratic Forces militia, which is the United States’ main ally here. The patch shows a map of Syria bisected by the sharp blue line of the Euphrates River. > > The Euphrates marks the informal “deconfliction” line between the Russian-backed Syrian regime west of the river, and the U.S.-backed and Kurdish-led SDF to the east. In the past several weeks, the two powers negotiated a useful adjustment of the line — creating a roughly 80-mile arc that stretches south, from near this battlefront city on Lake Assad, to a town called Karama on the Euphrates. > > U.S.-Russian agreement on this buffer zone is a promising sign. It allows, in effect, for the United States and its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and the Syrian regime take the city of Deir al-Zour, to the southeast. The line keeps the combatants focused on the Islamic State, rather than sparring with each other. > > What Trump and Putin should discuss at the Group of 20 summit is whether this recent agreement on the separation line is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria. This broader effort would seek to defeat the Islamic State; stabilize a battered, fragmented Syria; and, eventually, discuss a political future. But is it practical? > > Russian-American cooperation on Syria faces a huge obstacle right now. It would legitimize a Russian regime that invaded Ukraine and meddled in U.S. and European elections, in addition to its intervention in Syria. Putin’s very name is toxic in Congress and the U.S. media these days, and Trump is blasted for even considering compromise. > > Against these negatives, there’s only one positive argument: Working with Russia may be the only way to reduce the level of violence in Syria and to create a foundation for a calmer, more decentralized nation that can eventually recover from its tragic war. > > Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis are said to favor exploring options with Russia. “We see the potential for it,” a senior State Department official said Tuesday. “So far Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort.” > > But there’s a contrary view among some hawkish National Security Council staffers and members of Congress. They argue that working with Russia would empower its allies, Iran and the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad, and give a green light for their future role in Syria. > > An extreme version of this view argues that the United States should mount a military campaign to block Iran and its Shiite militia allies in Iraq and Syria from obtaining a corridor across southeast Syria that would link Iran to Lebanon. This militant stance ignores two practical points: Iran already has such a corridor, but it doesn’t stop the United States or Israel from attacking dangerous arms shipments; and an assault on Shiite militias might draw the United States into a long, costly war that could spread across the Middle East. > > It’s worth examining the process that established the Euphrates arc of deconfliction, because it shows how different Russia’s public and private actions have been. A Russian official initially suggested the Euphrates boundary about 18 months ago, according to a U.S. official. But it wasn’t formalized, so the two countries had been operating on an ad hoc basis. > > This rough deconfliction system worked at three levels. There was daily phone consultation between colonels, supplemented by occasional contacts at the one-star level between the U.S. headquarters in Baghdad and Russian headquarters near Tartus, Syria. Big issues went to the U.S. commander, Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend, and his Russian counterpart, Col. Gen. Sergei Surovikin. > > A crisis arose last month when several Syrian tanks pushed north of what U.S. commanders believed was the informal line of separation. When this small Syrian force was backed by a Syrian Su-22 fighter jet, the United States shot down the plane. The Russians announced that they were suspending contacts, and “for a few hours, it looked pretty hairy,” recalls one U.S. official. But the Russians quietly resumed talking, and by late June, the two sides had agreed on the formal arc, with precisely delineated coordinates. > > Similar U.S.-Russian cooperation has been calming tensions the past few weeks in southwest Syria. Those talks have been backed by Israel and Jordan, which border the zone. That, too, is a potential model for how de-escalation can work. > > Cooperating with the Russians in Syria would be distasteful, given their past actions. But spurning them would keep this volatile country at the flash point and almost certainly make things worse rather than better for all sides. > > === > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 > > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > 'Talking to Russia’ is going on all along, from military contacts in the Mideast to the G-20. > > The “climate against talking to Russia" is a propaganda construct of the Clinton campaign and its allies in the US political establishment. > > John Pilger wrote accurately before the election, “The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire.” > > The US strategy has long been control of Mideast energy flows by establishing biddable governments, by hook or crook, throughout the region. > > Control, not just access, is the goal - and the ultimate target is China. (The Pentagon phrase is “offshore control” - of China’s econmy, since it imports most of its energy resources.) > > The secular government of Syria was recalcitrant, so the Obama administration sent jihadists (the US invented jihadism, in Brzezinski’s time) to overthrow it. > > That was frustrated by Russian support, so the US is falling back on a plan to Balkanize the region, to limit Damascus’ (and Teheran’s) influence. > > Ignatius is a notorious CIA asset, practicing ’triangulation’ with the ‘hawk’s' position’ - to advance US Mideast imperialism effectively. > > —CGE > > >> On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >> >> Let a hundred flowers bloom. >> >> The general climate against talking to Russia is so radioactive that we tried to introduce the topic with a gateway drug. >> >> >> >> Robert Naiman >> Policy Director >> Just Foreign Policy >> www.justforeignpolicy.org >> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >> (202) 448-2898 x1 >> >> To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen >> https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> This is just the US plan for the Balkanization of Syria (and the entire Mideast). >> >> Russia is there legally; the US isn’t. And Ignatius has long been a propagandist for the CIA. >> >> Stop the killing by insisting on the withdrawal of US troops (and weapons) from Syria and all of MENA. >> >> —C. G. Estabrook >> >> >> > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Just Foreign Policy > wrote: >> > >> > >> > Dear C. G., >> > >> > >> > Urge Trump & Congress to seek a peace deal with Russia in Syria. >> > >> > Take Action. >> > >> > There is an apparent split in the foreign policy establishment over diplomacy with Russia to resolve the war in Syria. We want to help the pro-diplomacy faction of the establishment defeat the anti-diplomacy faction of the establishment so we can have less war. Washington Post columnist David Ignatius is a "liberal insider," someone considered "close to the U.S. foreign policy establishment" and he is now advocating for diplomacy with Russia, an “official U.S. adversary”, as the “best path to peace in Syria". >> > >> > Urge President Trump & Congress to back David Ignatius' call to work with Russia for peace in Syria by signing our petition at MoveOn. >> > >> > As David Ignatius reported in the Washington Post, the United States and Russia successfully negotiated agreement on a buffer zone and "deconfliction line" in Syria. The agreement allows the United States and its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and the Syrian government take the city of Deir al-Zour. The agreement on the line keeps the combatants focused on fighting the Islamic State, rather than fighting each other. [1] >> > >> > Ignatius says the U.S. and Russia should discuss whether this agreement is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria to defeat the Islamic State, stabilize Syria, and discuss a political future. Working with Russia, Ignatius says, may be the only way to reduce the violence in Syria and create a foundation for a more decentralized nation that can recover from its tragic war. Secretary of State Tillerson and Defense Secretary Mattis favor exploring options with Russia, Ignatius notes. "We see the potential for it," a senior State Department official said. "So far Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort." >> > >> > Some "hawks" in the National Security Council and Congress don't want to work with Russia, even if that is the only way to reduce the violence in Syria. But the likely alternative to working with Russia in Syria is more violence and more casualties for U.S. troops. A recent academic study attributed Donald Trump's victory in November to communities hit hardest by military casualties and angry about being ignored. 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URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Fri Jul 7 00:36:22 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 19:36:22 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump: Seek Peace with Russia in Syria - As Advocated by David Ignatius In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's what's on CNN right now: "Adam Kinzinger [R-IL]: 'Russia only responds to brick walls'" Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > The CIA wants to “cooperate with the Russians in Syria” - rather like > Germany wanted to “cooperate with the Russians” in Poland in 1939. > > > On Jul 6, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: > > Here's what the CIA agent at the Washington Post had to say for himself. > > === > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> > > To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 > > === > > David Ignatius: Working with Russia might be the best path to peace in > Syria > https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/work > ing-with-russia-might-be-the-best-path-to-peace-in-syria/ > 2017/07/04/c2589c9e-6029-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html > > By David Ignatius Opinion writer July 4 at 7:26 PM > > TABQA, Syria > > When Donald Trump meets > Vladimir > Putin this Friday in Hamburg, the two presidents should have in the back of > their minds the insignia worn by the Syrian Democratic Forces militia, > which is the United States’ main ally here. The patch shows a map of Syria > bisected > by > the sharp blue line of the Euphrates River. > > The Euphrates marks the informal “deconfliction” line between the > Russian-backed Syrian regime west of the river, and the U.S.-backed and > Kurdish-led SDF to the east. In the past several weeks, the two powers > negotiated a useful adjustment of the line — creating a roughly 80-mile > arc > that > stretches south, from near this battlefront city on Lake Assad, to a town > called Karama on the Euphrates. > > U.S.-Russian agreement on this buffer zone is a promising sign. It allows, > in effect, for the United States and its allies to clear the Islamic > State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and the Syrian regime take the city of > Deir al-Zour, to the southeast. The line keeps the combatants focused on > the Islamic State, rather than sparring with each other. > > What Trump and Putin should discuss at the Group of 20 summit is whether > this recent agreement on the separation line is a model for wider > U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria. This broader effort would seek to defeat > the Islamic State; stabilize a battered, fragmented Syria; and, eventually, > discuss a political future. But is it practical? > > Russian-American cooperation on Syria faces a huge obstacle right now. It > would legitimize a Russian regime that invaded Ukraine and meddled in U.S. > and European elections, in addition to its intervention in Syria. Putin’s > very name is toxic in Congress and the U.S. media these days, and Trump is > blasted for even considering compromise. > > Against these negatives, there’s only one positive argument: Working with > Russia may be the only way to reduce the level of violence in Syria and to > create a foundation for a calmer, more decentralized nation that can > eventually recover from its tragic war. > > Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis are said > to favor exploring options with Russia. “We see the potential for it,” a > senior State Department official said Tuesday. “So far Russia is working in > earnest with us on the effort.” > > But there’s a contrary view among some hawkish National Security Council > staffers and members of Congress. They argue that working with Russia would > empower its allies, Iran and the Syrian regime of President Bashar > al-Assad, and give a green light for their future role in Syria. > > An extreme version of this view argues that the United States should mount > a military campaign to block Iran and its Shiite militia allies in Iraq and > Syria from obtaining a corridor across southeast Syria that would link Iran > to Lebanon. This militant stance ignores two practical points: Iran already > has such a corridor, but it doesn’t stop the United States or Israel from > attacking dangerous arms shipments; and an assault on Shiite militias might > draw the United States into a long, costly war that could spread across the > Middle East. > > It’s worth examining the process that established the Euphrates arc of > deconfliction, because it shows how different Russia’s public and private > actions have been. A Russian official initially suggested the Euphrates > boundary about 18 months ago, according to a U.S. official. But it wasn’t > formalized, so the two countries had been operating on an ad hoc basis. > > This rough deconfliction system worked at three levels. There was daily > phone consultation between colonels, supplemented by occasional contacts at > the one-star level between the U.S. headquarters in Baghdad and Russian > headquarters near Tartus, Syria. Big issues went to the U.S. commander, Lt. > Gen. Stephen Townsend, and his Russian counterpart, Col. Gen. Sergei > Surovikin. > > A crisis arose last month when several Syrian tanks pushed north of what > U.S. commanders believed was the informal line of separation. When this > small Syrian force was backed by a Syrian Su-22 fighter jet, the United > States shot down > the > plane. The Russians announced that they were suspending contacts, and “for > a few hours, it looked pretty hairy,” recalls one U.S. official. But the > Russians quietly resumed talking, and by late June, the two sides had > agreed on the formal arc, with precisely delineated coordinates. > > Similar U.S.-Russian cooperation has been calming tensions the past few > weeks in southwest Syria. Those talks have been backed by Israel and > Jordan, which border the zone. That, too, is a potential model for how > de-escalation can work. > > Cooperating with the Russians in Syria would be distasteful, given their > past actions. But spurning them would keep this volatile country at the > flash point and almost certainly make things worse rather than better for > all sides. > === > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 <%28202%29%20448-2898> > > To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 > > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> 'Talking to Russia’ is going on all along, from military contacts in the >> Mideast to the G-20. >> >> The “climate against talking to Russia" is a propaganda construct of the >> Clinton campaign and its allies in the US political establishment. >> >> John Pilger wrote accurately before the election, “The CIA has demanded >> Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. >> The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent >> Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These >> tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar >> business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be >> undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. >> Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – >> however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so >> dire.” >> >> The US strategy has long been control of Mideast energy flows by >> establishing biddable governments, by hook or crook, throughout the region. >> >> Control, not just access, is the goal - and the ultimate target is China. >> (The Pentagon phrase is “offshore control” - of China’s econmy, since it >> imports most of its energy resources.) >> >> The secular government of Syria was recalcitrant, so the Obama >> administration sent jihadists (the US invented jihadism, in Brzezinski’s >> time) to overthrow it. >> >> That was frustrated by Russian support, so the US is falling back on a >> plan to Balkanize the region, to limit Damascus’ (and Teheran’s) influence. >> >> Ignatius is a notorious CIA asset, practicing ’triangulation’ with the >> ‘hawk’s' position’ - to advance US Mideast imperialism effectively. >> >> —CGE >> >> >> On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Robert Naiman >> wrote: >> >> Let a hundred flowers bloom. >> >> The general climate against talking to Russia is so radioactive that we >> tried to introduce the topic with a gateway drug. >> >> >> >> Robert Naiman >> Policy Director >> Just Foreign Policy >> www.justforeignpolicy.org >> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >> (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> >> >> To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen >> https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < >> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >>> This is just the US plan for the Balkanization of Syria (and the entire >>> Mideast). >>> >>> Russia is there legally; the US isn’t. And Ignatius has long been a >>> propagandist for the CIA. >>> >>> Stop the killing by insisting on the withdrawal of US troops (and >>> weapons) from Syria and all of MENA. >>> >>> —C. G. Estabrook >>> >>> >>> > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Just Foreign Policy < >>> info at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Dear C. G., >>> > >>> > >>> > Urge Trump & Congress to seek a peace deal with Russia in Syria. >>> > >>> > Take Action. >>> > >>> > There is an apparent split in the foreign policy establishment over >>> diplomacy with Russia to resolve the war in Syria. We want to help the >>> pro-diplomacy faction of the establishment defeat the anti-diplomacy >>> faction of the establishment so we can have less war. Washington Post >>> columnist David Ignatius is a "liberal insider," someone considered "close >>> to the U.S. foreign policy establishment" and he is now advocating for >>> diplomacy with Russia, an “official U.S. adversary”, as the “best path to >>> peace in Syria". >>> > >>> > Urge President Trump & Congress to back David Ignatius' call to work >>> with Russia for peace in Syria by signing our petition at MoveOn. >>> > >>> > As David Ignatius reported in the Washington Post, the United States >>> and Russia successfully negotiated agreement on a buffer zone and >>> "deconfliction line" in Syria. The agreement allows the United States and >>> its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and >>> the Syrian government take the city of Deir al-Zour. The agreement on the >>> line keeps the combatants focused on fighting the Islamic State, rather >>> than fighting each other. [1] >>> > >>> > Ignatius says the U.S. and Russia should discuss whether this >>> agreement is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria to defeat >>> the Islamic State, stabilize Syria, and discuss a political future. Working >>> with Russia, Ignatius says, may be the only way to reduce the violence in >>> Syria and create a foundation for a more decentralized nation that can >>> recover from its tragic war. Secretary of State Tillerson and Defense >>> Secretary Mattis favor exploring options with Russia, Ignatius notes. "We >>> see the potential for it," a senior State Department official said. "So far >>> Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort." >>> > >>> > Some "hawks" in the National Security Council and Congress don't want >>> to work with Russia, even if that is the only way to reduce the violence in >>> Syria. But the likely alternative to working with Russia in Syria is more >>> violence and more casualties for U.S. troops. A recent academic study >>> attributed Donald Trump's victory in November to communities hit hardest by >>> military casualties and angry about being ignored. [2] >>> > >>> > Urge President Trump & Congress to support a wider agreement with >>> Russia on Syria to reduce violence & protect U.S. troops by signing and >>> sharing our petition. >>> > >>> > Thanks for all you do to help make U.S. foreign policy more just, >>> > >>> > Robert Naiman, Avram Reisman, and Sarah Burns >>> > Just Foreign Policy >>> > >>> > If you think our work is important, support us with a $17 donation. >>> > http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/donate >>> > >>> > References: >>> > 1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/work >>> ing-with-russia-might-be-the-best-path-to-peace-in-syria/201 >>> 7/07/04/c2589c9e-6029-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html >>> > 2. http://reason.com/blog/2017/07/03/did-endless-war-cost-hilla >>> ry-clinton-the >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > © 2016 Just Foreign Policy >>> > >>> > Click here to unsubscribe >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Fri Jul 7 00:47:10 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 19:47:10 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5BPeace=5D_Why_I_won=E2=80=99t_be_marc?= =?utf-8?q?hing_in_the_July_4th_parade?= In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> <1767838629.4307523.1499207749676@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006101d2f6ba$91706d60$b4514820$@comcast.net> “ I find it breathtaking that protecting refugees is something that has to be argued for on this list, rather than being taken as a premise. “ No one Bob, on this list has stated that protecting refugees is debatable. What has been stated is opposition to the neo-liberal / identity politics position that all too many so called “ progressives “ advocate, that exploitation of undocumented immigrants and indentured servants of the Hb1 visa program and the subsequent reduction of wages and working conditions for ALL Working people is acceptable. Is that what you are advocating ? I really want to know ! David Johnson From: Peace-discuss [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 5:57 PM To: David Green Cc: Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why I won’t be marching in the July 4th parade Immigration is a big show and there's more than one thing in play. It's a strange sort of peace movement that wouldn't stand up for protecting refugees, a basic U.S. government obligation under international law and under U.S. law. A key narrative of the Sanctuary Movement for undocumented Salvadoran and Guatemalan refugees in the 1980s was that the Reagan Administration wasn't complying with U.S. international law obligations on protecting refugees in general and the Refugee Act of 1980 in particular. I find it breathtaking that protecting refugees is something that has to be argued for on this list, rather than being taken as a premise. Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 5:35 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: But what's not complicated is that the "rules" of immigration have always been worked out by the ruling class in order to disempower the working class. The fact that we have so many highly professional, well-educated, and successful immigrants in our community (and in our country) adds a new twist to this scenario, but these people aren't challenging the rules of the capitalist game, obviously. But they do give the News-Gazette a reason to view them as "model minorities," and we're back to where we started, Horatio Alger 2.0. It's a strange sort of working class movement that alienates and even demonizes most of the working class, both white and black, while identifying itself with the business and professional class, especially those in academia who represent the neoliberal corporate university at its finest. And of course, three years in to the Black Lives Matter movement, not to mention the Ammons tenure, there is no multi-racial class solidarity to be found in the parade procession, to my knowledge. DG On Tue Jul 04 2017 16:24:48 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss wrote: Trump's Muslim ban is an attack on previously-legal immigration. He blocked people from coming to the U.S. who had valid U.S. visas, including UN- and US- vetted Syrian and Iraqi refugees. The question of impacts of illegal Mexican immigration on low-wage American workers is complicated. The question of economic impact of legal Syrian and Iraqi migration on low-wage American workers is not complicated. There's no impact. The scale is far too small. It's tears in the rain. Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: >From >: ...who’s for illegal immigration? As far as I know … the only people who are openly for illegal immigration are neoliberal economists. First of all, neoliberal economists are completely for open borders, in so far as that’s possible. Friedman said years ago that, “You can’t have a welfare state and open borders,” but of course the point of that was “open the borders, because that’ll kill the welfare state.” There’s a good paper you can get off the web by Gordon Hanson, commissioned by whoever runs Foreign Affairs, and the argument is that illegal immigration is better than legal immigration, because illegal immigration is extremely responsive to market conditions. So it’s quite striking that you have all this protesting against illegal immigration, and especially at a time when it’s down. So why are people so upset about it? They are upset about it not because it has gotten worse, it hasn’t, but because they somehow recognize that one of the primary sort of marks of the triumph of neoliberalism in the US is a very high tolerance of illegal immigration, and that illegal immigration is the kind of ne plus ultra of the labor mobility that neoliberalism requires. I mean that’s why for years — even though it’s a kind of contradiction in terms — as a policy it’s worked well. The Bush administration did everything it could to talk against illegal immigration but leave it alone and I’m sure the Obama administration would do the same thing except its hand’s being forced by the Tea Party. ...Some argue that limiting immigration could help restore the unions and that’s obviously false and I’m certainly not saying that the Tea Party has the diagnosis right. The Tea Party thinks that immigrants are taking away their money. 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Estabrook) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 20:22:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump: Seek Peace with Russia in Syria - As Advocated by David Ignatius In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86F1BC95-77FA-4D5A-9DDC-BAC6F3F0B4C7@illinois.edu> ON PAUL: Somebody did a special interview this week , and he's getting to be well-known, someone who is not 40 years old yet... Rep. Adam Kinzinger from Illinois. He is determined to stir up super-antagonism towards Russia. And he can not stand the fact that there might be a softer aproach, and he doesn't like Trump We're not Trump champions, but [Kinzinger opposes Trump] for this reason: He's not hawkish enough! He did point out that Trump's positions [on foreign policy] are actually not that bad. When he sends 59 Tomahawk [missiles] into Syria, and sorts of things like that. [Kinzinger] likes that. Of course, there is this issue of gas - whether it was actually gas released in April, and we've had some people looking into this. And this is ongoing, but there may be signs that the monolith against Russia and Assad --symbolized by 97-2 vote [in the Senate] could be starting to crack... He really doesn't like Putin because 'he's killing his own people.' Well, I don't know exactly what he's referring to. I know Putin is no angel, but when you think of how many people our foreign policy kills, we talk about that so often... This is just such hypocrisy, but it is mainly to promote a hawkish policy, back to 'Assad has to go.' To me, it is amazing how the liberal Democrats, who are supposed to be anti-war like they were in the 1960s, they are now, it looks like, maybe more hawkish than the Republicans... It is amazing, [Hersh] had an article over the weekend, and everyone is talking about it today. It is a blockbuster article, it absolutely damages Trump completely, but it also damages the pro-war narrative. Nobody in the Washington Post or New York Times -- here is a blockbuster from a Pullitzer Prize-winning reporter and he had to go to Germany to get it published. Nobody in the U.S. will touch it. The article essentially says based on his intelligence contacts that the U.S. knew --President Trump knew-- this was not a chemical attack in April, and he fired the Tomahawks anyway, and it is a blockbuster. And think about it. Nobody wants to touch it. An article like that! Isn't strange how Trump is so back-and-forth [on foreign affairs]. I think that is the worst position to be... But Trump is criticized mostly by the Kinzingers and the others in the Senate for being too soft on Russia. But then he comes, and he is too aggressive from our view point. He is dropping bombs willy nilly, and it scares us that he will fdo that, he will be influenced by that. And now what we're seeing is, it wasn't ignorance, there was material out there. So it sort of reminds me of what was available to us that we could find before the Iraq War. It was there by reputable people, but it is lost in politics. It is a shame... > On Jul 6, 2017, at 7:36 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > Here's what's on CNN right now: > > "Adam Kinzinger [R-IL]: 'Russia only responds to brick walls'" > […] > > > On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > The CIA wants to “cooperate with the Russians in Syria” - rather like Germany wanted to “cooperate with the Russians” in Poland in 1939. > > >> On Jul 6, 2017, at 4:25 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >> >> Here's what the CIA agent at the Washington Post had to say for himself. >> >> […] >> >> David Ignatius: Working with Russia might be the best path to peace in Syria >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/working-with-russia-might-be-the-best-path-to-peace-in-syria/2017/07/04/c2589c9e-6029-11e7-a4f7-af34fc1d9d39_story.html >> >> By David Ignatius Opinion writer July 4 at 7:26 PM >> >> TABQA, Syria >> >> When Donald Trump meets Vladimir Putin this Friday in Hamburg, the two presidents should have in the back of their minds the insignia worn by the Syrian Democratic Forces militia, which is the United States’ main ally here. The patch shows a map of Syria bisected by the sharp blue line of the Euphrates River. >> >> The Euphrates marks the informal “deconfliction” line between the Russian-backed Syrian regime west of the river, and the U.S.-backed and Kurdish-led SDF to the east. In the past several weeks, the two powers negotiated a useful adjustment of the line — creating a roughly 80-mile arc that stretches south, from near this battlefront city on Lake Assad, to a town called Karama on the Euphrates. >> >> U.S.-Russian agreement on this buffer zone is a promising sign. It allows, in effect, for the United States and its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and the Syrian regime take the city of Deir al-Zour, to the southeast. The line keeps the combatants focused on the Islamic State, rather than sparring with each other. >> >> What Trump and Putin should discuss at the Group of 20 summit is whether this recent agreement on the separation line is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria. This broader effort would seek to defeat the Islamic State; stabilize a battered, fragmented Syria; and, eventually, discuss a political future. But is it practical? >> >> Russian-American cooperation on Syria faces a huge obstacle right now. It would legitimize a Russian regime that invaded Ukraine and meddled in U.S. and European elections, in addition to its intervention in Syria. Putin’s very name is toxic in Congress and the U.S. media these days, and Trump is blasted for even considering compromise. >> >> Against these negatives, there’s only one positive argument: Working with Russia may be the only way to reduce the level of violence in Syria and to create a foundation for a calmer, more decentralized nation that can eventually recover from its tragic war. >> >> Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis are said to favor exploring options with Russia. “We see the potential for it,” a senior State Department official said Tuesday. “So far Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort.” >> >> But there’s a contrary view among some hawkish National Security Council staffers and members of Congress. They argue that working with Russia would empower its allies, Iran and the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad, and give a green light for their future role in Syria. >> >> An extreme version of this view argues that the United States should mount a military campaign to block Iran and its Shiite militia allies in Iraq and Syria from obtaining a corridor across southeast Syria that would link Iran to Lebanon. This militant stance ignores two practical points: Iran already has such a corridor, but it doesn’t stop the United States or Israel from attacking dangerous arms shipments; and an assault on Shiite militias might draw the United States into a long, costly war that could spread across the Middle East. >> >> It’s worth examining the process that established the Euphrates arc of deconfliction, because it shows how different Russia’s public and private actions have been. A Russian official initially suggested the Euphrates boundary about 18 months ago, according to a U.S. official. But it wasn’t formalized, so the two countries had been operating on an ad hoc basis. >> >> This rough deconfliction system worked at three levels. There was daily phone consultation between colonels, supplemented by occasional contacts at the one-star level between the U.S. headquarters in Baghdad and Russian headquarters near Tartus, Syria. Big issues went to the U.S. commander, Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend, and his Russian counterpart, Col. Gen. Sergei Surovikin. >> >> A crisis arose last month when several Syrian tanks pushed north of what U.S. commanders believed was the informal line of separation. When this small Syrian force was backed by a Syrian Su-22 fighter jet, the United States shot down the plane. The Russians announced that they were suspending contacts, and “for a few hours, it looked pretty hairy,” recalls one U.S. official. But the Russians quietly resumed talking, and by late June, the two sides had agreed on the formal arc, with precisely delineated coordinates. >> >> Similar U.S.-Russian cooperation has been calming tensions the past few weeks in southwest Syria. Those talks have been backed by Israel and Jordan, which border the zone. That, too, is a potential model for how de-escalation can work. >> >> Cooperating with the Russians in Syria would be distasteful, given their past actions. But spurning them would keep this volatile country at the flash point and almost certainly make things worse rather than better for all sides. >> >> […] >> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> 'Talking to Russia’ is going on all along, from military contacts in the Mideast to the G-20. >> >> The “climate against talking to Russia" is a propaganda construct of the Clinton campaign and its allies in the US political establishment. >> >> John Pilger wrote accurately before the election, “The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire.” >> >> The US strategy has long been control of Mideast energy flows by establishing biddable governments, by hook or crook, throughout the region. >> >> Control, not just access, is the goal - and the ultimate target is China. (The Pentagon phrase is “offshore control” - of China’s econmy, since it imports most of its energy resources.) >> >> The secular government of Syria was recalcitrant, so the Obama administration sent jihadists (the US invented jihadism, in Brzezinski’s time) to overthrow it. >> >> That was frustrated by Russian support, so the US is falling back on a plan to Balkanize the region, to limit Damascus’ (and Teheran’s) influence. >> >> Ignatius is a notorious CIA asset, practicing ’triangulation’ with the ‘hawk’s' position’ - to advance US Mideast imperialism effectively. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: >>> >>> Let a hundred flowers bloom. >>> >>> The general climate against talking to Russia is so radioactive that we tried to introduce the topic with a gateway drug. >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert Naiman >>> Policy Director >>> Just Foreign Policy >>> www.justforeignpolicy.org >>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >>> (202) 448-2898 x1 >>> >>> To Stop Cholera & Famine, Stop Refueling Saudi Warplanes Bombing Yemen >>> https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> This is just the US plan for the Balkanization of Syria (and the entire Mideast). >>> >>> Russia is there legally; the US isn’t. And Ignatius has long been a propagandist for the CIA. >>> >>> Stop the killing by insisting on the withdrawal of US troops (and weapons) from Syria and all of MENA. >>> >>> —C. G. Estabrook >>> >>> >>> > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Just Foreign Policy > wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > Dear C. G., >>> > >>> > >>> > Urge Trump & Congress to seek a peace deal with Russia in Syria. >>> > >>> > Take Action. >>> > >>> > There is an apparent split in the foreign policy establishment over diplomacy with Russia to resolve the war in Syria. We want to help the pro-diplomacy faction of the establishment defeat the anti-diplomacy faction of the establishment so we can have less war. Washington Post columnist David Ignatius is a "liberal insider," someone considered "close to the U.S. foreign policy establishment" and he is now advocating for diplomacy with Russia, an “official U.S. adversary”, as the “best path to peace in Syria". >>> > >>> > Urge President Trump & Congress to back David Ignatius' call to work with Russia for peace in Syria by signing our petition at MoveOn. >>> > >>> > As David Ignatius reported in the Washington Post, the United States and Russia successfully negotiated agreement on a buffer zone and "deconfliction line" in Syria. The agreement allows the United States and its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and the Syrian government take the city of Deir al-Zour. The agreement on the line keeps the combatants focused on fighting the Islamic State, rather than fighting each other. [1] >>> > >>> > Ignatius says the U.S. and Russia should discuss whether this agreement is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria to defeat the Islamic State, stabilize Syria, and discuss a political future. Working with Russia, Ignatius says, may be the only way to reduce the violence in Syria and create a foundation for a more decentralized nation that can recover from its tragic war. Secretary of State Tillerson and Defense Secretary Mattis favor exploring options with Russia, Ignatius notes. "We see the potential for it," a senior State Department official said. "So far Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort." >>> > >>> > Some "hawks" in the National Security Council and Congress don't want to work with Russia, even if that is the only way to reduce the violence in Syria. But the likely alternative to working with Russia in Syria is more violence and more casualties for U.S. troops. A recent academic study attributed Donald Trump's victory in November to communities hit hardest by military casualties and angry about being ignored. 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URL: From divisek at yahoo.com Fri Jul 7 16:12:08 2017 From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 16:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Jane Addams: Most Dangerous Woman in America References: <1333839498.576155.1499443928176.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1333839498.576155.1499443928176@mail.yahoo.com> This is an interesting article about Jane Addams' peace work and the WWI targeting of peace activists.  To the left of Woodrow Wilson's photo is this quote: "As the war escalated and America moved closer to joining, the federal government passed laws that restricted dissenters. The Sedition Act and Espionage Act, enacted between 1916 and 1917, prohibited: disloyalty, interfering with enlistment, criticizing the war and America’s preparation for it, and inciting discontent. (While the Threats Against the President Act passed in 1918 was intended to protect Wilson, it was often used to silence war dissenters.) http://nprillinois.org/post/illinois-issues-local-icon-shifts-lauded-reformer-most-dangerous-woman-america#stream/0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jul 7 16:47:53 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 11:47:53 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE at the Farmer's Market tomorrow, 8am-noon In-Reply-To: <315adb07-81cd-8643-9453-1a2c4ee5c99f@gmail.com> References: <315adb07-81cd-8643-9453-1a2c4ee5c99f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here’s the flyer we’ll be distributing: The U.S. is Illegally Making War in the Mideast Pres. Trump: Bring U.S. Troops and Weapons Home The U.S. military is today killing people in seven Mideast and African countries - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. Thousands of U.S. troops are fighting in these countries, although most Americans don’t know that. In addition, the 70,000-member U.S. ‘Special Operations Command’ - American death squads - are active in three-quarters of the countries of the world. Their activities include kidnapping (‘rendition’), torture, and murder. {Flags mark U.S. troop presence} The U.S. government says that we’re fighting terrorism, but we are in fact creating terrorists - in response particularly to the drone assassinations, “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times” - which have killed more than 5,000 people, including U.S. citizens and hundreds of children. Since World War II ended in 1945, the U.S. has attempted to exercise military control over the Mideast and its energy resources. The U.S. doesn’t need oil from the Mideast, but Mideast gas and oil are needed by America’s economic competitors in Europe and Asia, and so control over them gives the U.S. a major advantage over China, Germany, and other countries - a chokehold which benefits only the American economic elite, the one percent. In 2003 the US illegally invaded Iraq - and killed perhaps a million people for that purpose - and now has thousands of troops and mercenaries throughout the Mideast. Those of us in AWARE, like other anti-war groups in the United States and around the world, call upon President Trump to ~ (1) establish a foreign policy based on diplomacy, international law, and human rights; ~ (2) end U.S. wars in the Mideast and war provocations against Russia (in Eastern Europe) and China (in the South China Sea), and stop the drone assassinations; ~ (3) cut military spending by at least 50% and close the more than 700 foreign military bases (neither Russia nor China has more than twelve); bring U.S. troops (and weapons) home; ~ (4) stop U.S. support for human rights abusers, notably Israel and Saudi Arabia; and ~ (5) lead on global nuclear disarmament. ANTI-WAR ANTI-RACISM EFFORT - on Facebook at ~ U.S. troops & weapons out of the Mideast ~ Medicare for all ~ Universal basic income ~ > On Jul 7, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Stuart Levy via Peace wrote: > > Hello all, > > AWARE will be back at the Urbana Farmer's Market tomorrow, from 8AM until noon. 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 8 01:58:07 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 01:58:07 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine - Sputnik International Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 8:54 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine - Sputnik International https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707081055354084-putin-trump-syria-ukraine/ Agreements reached by US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin in their highly-anticipated meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg could represent serious steps towards defusing tensions over Syria and Ukraine. Trump-Putin Meeting Important to End US Hostile Approach to Russia - Think Tank WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - Earlier on Friday, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in a briefing said the first meeting between Trump and Putin revealed that a clear and positive chemistry and connection existed between the two leaders. The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. As for the crisis on Russia's border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin's request. University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. "I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine," Boyle said. Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. "This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences," he said. Trump's decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. "For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine," Boyle said. Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. "Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously," Boyle warned. However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. "Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski," he said. Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama's first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 8 01:58:07 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 01:58:07 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine - Sputnik International Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 8:54 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine - Sputnik International https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707081055354084-putin-trump-syria-ukraine/ Agreements reached by US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin in their highly-anticipated meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg could represent serious steps towards defusing tensions over Syria and Ukraine. Trump-Putin Meeting Important to End US Hostile Approach to Russia - Think Tank WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - Earlier on Friday, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in a briefing said the first meeting between Trump and Putin revealed that a clear and positive chemistry and connection existed between the two leaders. The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. As for the crisis on Russia's border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin's request. University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. "I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine," Boyle said. Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. "This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences," he said. Trump's decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. "For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine," Boyle said. Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. "Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously," Boyle warned. However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. "Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski," he said. Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama's first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jul 8 02:22:44 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 21:22:44 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine - Sputnik International In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20A975F2-ED74-4657-BB73-FCF04099D6E5@illinois.edu> Imagine how this would have gone, were Clinton president. > On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707081055354084-putin-trump-syria-ukraine/ > > Agreements reached by US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin in their highly-anticipated meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg could represent serious steps towards defusing tensions over Syria and Ukraine. > > Trump-Putin Meeting Important to End US Hostile Approach to Russia - Think Tank WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - Earlier on Friday, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in a briefing said the first meeting between Trump and Putin revealed that a clear and positive chemistry and connection existed between the two leaders. > The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. > > SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS > > Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. > > As for the crisis on Russia's border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin's request. > > University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. > > "I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine," Boyle said. > > Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. > > "This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences," he said. > > Trump's decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. > > "For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine," Boyle said. > > Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. > > "Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously," Boyle warned. > > However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. > > "Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski," he said. > > Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. > > Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama's first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jul 8 02:22:44 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 21:22:44 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine - Sputnik International In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20A975F2-ED74-4657-BB73-FCF04099D6E5@illinois.edu> Imagine how this would have gone, were Clinton president. > On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707081055354084-putin-trump-syria-ukraine/ > > Agreements reached by US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin in their highly-anticipated meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg could represent serious steps towards defusing tensions over Syria and Ukraine. > > Trump-Putin Meeting Important to End US Hostile Approach to Russia - Think Tank WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - Earlier on Friday, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in a briefing said the first meeting between Trump and Putin revealed that a clear and positive chemistry and connection existed between the two leaders. > The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. > > SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS > > Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. > > As for the crisis on Russia's border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin's request. > > University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. > > "I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine," Boyle said. > > Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. > > "This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences," he said. > > Trump's decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. > > "For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine," Boyle said. > > Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. > > "Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously," Boyle warned. > > However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. > > "Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski," he said. > > Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. > > Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama's first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 8 02:23:45 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 02:23:45 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine - Sputnik International In-Reply-To: <20A975F2-ED74-4657-BB73-FCF04099D6E5@illinois.edu> References: <20A975F2-ED74-4657-BB73-FCF04099D6E5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: We'd be at war with Russia by now. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine - Sputnik International Imagine how this would have gone, were Clinton president. > On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707081055354084-putin-trump-syria-ukraine/ > > Agreements reached by US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin in their highly-anticipated meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg could represent serious steps towards defusing tensions over Syria and Ukraine. > > Trump-Putin Meeting Important to End US Hostile Approach to Russia - Think Tank WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - Earlier on Friday, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in a briefing said the first meeting between Trump and Putin revealed that a clear and positive chemistry and connection existed between the two leaders. > The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. > > SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS > > Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. > > As for the crisis on Russia's border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin's request. > > University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. > > "I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine," Boyle said. > > Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. > > "This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences," he said. > > Trump's decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. > > "For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine," Boyle said. > > Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. > > "Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously," Boyle warned. > > However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. > > "Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski," he said. > > Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. > > Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama's first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 8 02:23:45 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 02:23:45 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine - Sputnik International In-Reply-To: <20A975F2-ED74-4657-BB73-FCF04099D6E5@illinois.edu> References: <20A975F2-ED74-4657-BB73-FCF04099D6E5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: We'd be at war with Russia by now. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 9:23 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine - Sputnik International Imagine how this would have gone, were Clinton president. > On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707081055354084-putin-trump-syria-ukraine/ > > Agreements reached by US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin in their highly-anticipated meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg could represent serious steps towards defusing tensions over Syria and Ukraine. > > Trump-Putin Meeting Important to End US Hostile Approach to Russia - Think Tank WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - Earlier on Friday, US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in a briefing said the first meeting between Trump and Putin revealed that a clear and positive chemistry and connection existed between the two leaders. > The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. > > SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS > > Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. > > As for the crisis on Russia's border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin's request. > > University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. > > "I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine," Boyle said. > > Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. > > "This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences," he said. > > Trump's decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. > > "For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine," Boyle said. > > Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. > > "Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously," Boyle warned. > > However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. > > "Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski," he said. > > Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. > > Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama's first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. From cge at shout.net Sat Jul 8 13:50:27 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2017 08:50:27 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The importance of the Putin-Trump meeting In-Reply-To: References: <5880c407a1db5_222964d980682c3@asgworker-qmb2-1.nbuild.prd.useast1.3dna.io.mail> <3014b58c3080570ba473a4b2bdcb0659@shout.net> <1f26ef3688b593a338a8fbc7cd45b7a6@shout.net> <38dd9634ddb6d642a9e18e34d02ee607@shout.net> <11a3e6f7cbc9fa68332a0079c6684e49@shout.net> Message-ID: http://www.atimes.com/article/putin-trump-stage-manage-win-win-meeting/ ============================= That's the best account I've seen of this important meeting. The US press all lead with the earth-shaking question, "Did Putin admit to 'hacking' the US election?" Where 'hacking' = revealing lies from the Clinton campaign. I would not have believed it. ============================= "...Putin and Lavrov faced Trump and Tillerson knowing full well that political factions in the US won’t waiver in their mission to keep the tension with 'peer competitors' Russia and China at a very dangerous level. "At the same time, they knew Trump and Tillerson really aim for a reset – incipient as it may be at the start. "Syria is an ultra-complex case where the sphere of influence is mostly Iranian but the hard, cold facts on the ground and in the skies are mostly Russian. With this ceasefire deal, it’s as if Putin and Lavrov are inviting a losing Washington to be part of a solution that satisfies – sort of – all parties, including Israel and Turkey..." ============================= --CGE From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 21:08:29 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 21:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Pope Francis' Call for Dialogue In Venezuela Should Be Heeded, to Avoid Civil War In-Reply-To: <4010866024.-467641661@org.orgDB.reply.salsalabs.com> References: <4010866024.-467641661@org.orgDB.reply.salsalabs.com> Message-ID: <1676683089.1216040.1499548109183@mail.yahoo.com> ----- Forwarded Message -----From: Mark Weisbrot, CEPR To: "davegreen84 at yahoo.com" Sent: Sat Jul 08 2017 08:05:46 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time)Subject: Pope Francis' Call for Dialogue In Venezuela Should Be Heeded, to Avoid Civil War | | | | | Mark Weisbrot's columns from CEPR | | View this email in your browser | | | | | | | | | | | | | Pope Francis’ Call for Dialogue In Venezuela Should Be Heeded, to Avoid Civil War by Mark Weisbrot | | | | | | | | | This article was published by The Hill on July 7, 2017. If anyone wishes to reprint it, please let us know by replying to this message. If this email was forwarded to you, subscribe to CEPR's email lists here.  Over the past weekend, Pope Francis called once again for dialogue in Venezuela to resolve the escalating conflict there. His plea went unnoticed in the major international media, but he is right about the urgent need for a “peaceful and democratic” solution. In the 1980s, civil wars took hundreds of thousands of lives ― mostly civilians ― in Central America, including in Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Guatemala. This is becoming a real possibility in Venezuela if a negotiated solution is not reached. One reason that many people do not perceive the threat of civil war is that there is a media driven narrative of the Venezuelan populace rising up against an isolated dictatorship, much like the one which was used to describe the “Arab Spring” revolts in 2011–12. With the Venezuelan economy in a severe depression, inflation at more than 500 percent, and widespread shortages of food and medicine, this narrative holds that protests will topple the government and lead to a more stable and effective administration. This is the dominant theme in the major international media. Many of its protagonists, including the Trump administration, US Senator Marco Rubio and important opposition leaders, seek to make the economic and humanitarian situation even worse through sanctions and other tactics (including the current reported threat of more drastic sanctions) that make it more difficult for the government to borrow or obtain foreign exchange, in order to hasten the collapse of the government. But Venezuela remains a polarized country. This can be seen in the most recent polling data. First, Maduro’s approval rating is 20.8 percent, which has been its average over the past year. This may seem low by US standards, but given the depth of the economic crisis and depression, it shows a lot of die-hard supporters. (We can also compare it to the current 7 percent approval for President Temer in Brazil, or presidents of other Latin American countries, like Mexico, who have lower approval ratings than Maduro despite growing economies.) As others have pointed out, Maduro’s approval rating was at 21.1 percent just two months before his party got 41 percent of the vote in the last (2015) congressional election. In other words, there are a large number of people who are still skeptical of what the opposition would do, even if they think that the government is primarily responsible for an awful economic mess. They could also be afraid. If they are associated with the government, they do not know what kind of repression they would face under an opposition government, especially one that comes to power in a coup. The Venezuelan opposition does not have a democratic and peaceful history. For example, in the 36 hours following the 2002 US-backed military coup, dozens of people were killed, and a round-up of officials of the elected government had begun. The current leadership of the opposition, although there are many divisions, has been pretty silent about opposition violence during the current protests in Venezuelan cities, including many killings. The same polling also shows that 55 percent of the people approve of Hugo Chávez. The public is divided on the protests, with a majority in favor by a margin of 51.3 percent to 44.2 percent. (All polling numbers here are from Datanalisis, which is the most-cited polling firm in the international media, and cannot be accused of a progovernment bias.) In addition to the polarization of the population, there are institutional and structural reasons to worry about civil war. There is a military of more than 100,000, and progovernment militias that the government claims to be in the hundreds of thousands. Many more Venezuelans have firearms. Venezuela does not have the religious or sectarian divisions that have fueled the civil wars, mass slaughter, and chaos of Libya, Syria, or Iraq ― all countries where the US/major media narrative about the results of successful or attempted regime change turned out to be horrifically wrong. But the political polarization in Venezuela since Chávez was elected in 1998 has been overwhelmingly along class and therefore racial lines (the two are highly correlated, as in most of Latin America). This is obvious to anyone who has ever witnessed opposition and progovernment demonstrations there over the years. Although the street demonstrations today have a broader middle class base than those of 2014 ― unlike then, many middle class people today are really hurting ― they have generally not been joined by poorer Venezuelans. At a large opposition mobilization in May, sociologist David Smilde noted "how different the people selling water, beer and snow cones looked from those attending the demonstration in terms of dress and skin color.” The lynching in May of 21-year-old Orlando Figuera, an Afro-Venezuelan man, who was stabbed and burned to death by a mob of opposition protesters, was an ugly reminder of these racial and class divisions and a warning of what civil war could look like. Negotiations would have to address the deterioration of the rule of law over the past few years. This would include such issues as the democratically elected National Assembly regaining its full constitutional powers; the release of jailed opposition leaders; the use of civilian and not military courts for trials of protesters; and elections, including the overdue regional elections and the constitutionally mandated presidential elections next year. But there would also have to be constitutional guarantees for whoever loses future elections that they will not be victims of persecution in which all branches of government, including the judiciary, are controlled by one side and stacked against them. Without such credible guarantees, it may be difficult to avoid escalating civil conflict. Like most wars, civil wars have to be prevented ― once they get started, they can be very difficult to end. Colombia’s civil war lasted more than half a century, and the government is still struggling to end the remaining violence after its historic peace agreement was signed last year. Pope Francis is credited with playing an important role in the 2014 negotiations for the Obama administration’s opening to Cuba. Hopefully he can also contribute to a negotiated solution in Venezuela. | | | | | | | Mark Weisbrot is Co-Director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, DC and president of Just Foreign Policy. He is also the author of the new book Failed: What the "Experts" Got Wrong About the Global Economy (Oxford University Press, 2015). 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URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 8 22:05:52 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 22:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?The_Destructive_Power_Trips_of_Amazon?= =?utf-8?b?4oCZcyBCb3Nz?= References: <1310939544.1247486.1499551552179.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1310939544.1247486.1499551552179@mail.yahoo.com> The Destructive Power Trips of Amazon’s Boss Posted By Ralph Nader On     July 7, 2017     For his smallish stature, Amazon Boss Jeff Bezos has a booming, uproarious laugh. Unleashed during workdays, its sonic burst startles people, given it comes from as harsh and driven a taskmaster as exists on the stage of corporate giantism. Is Bezos’s outward giddiness a worrisome reflection of what Bezos is feeling on the inside? Is he laughing at all of us? Is Bezos laughing at the tax collectors, having avoided paying  most states’ sales taxes for years on all the billions of books he sold online, thereby giving him an immediate 6 to 9 percent price advantage over brick-and-mortar bookstores, that also paid property taxes to support local schools and public facilities? That, and being an early online bookseller, gave Bezos his crucial foothold, along with other forms of tax avoidance that big companies utilize. Is Bezos laughing at the bureaucratic labor unions, that somehow can’t get a new handle on organizing the tens of thousands of exploited blue collar workers crying for help in Amazon warehouses and other stress-driven installations? With a net-worth over $80 billion, why should he worry? Is Bezos laughing at the giant retailers, who are closing hundreds of stores because their thin margins cannot withstand Amazon’s predatory pricing? Is Bezos laughing at the Justice Department’s Antitrust Division which, before Trump, was studying how old antitrust laws could be used to challenge monopolizing Molochs such as Amazon in the 21st century? It is time for antitrust officials to explore  new regulatory actions and modern legislation to deal with today’s conglomerates. Is Bezos laughing at Main Street, USA which he is in the process of hollowing out; along with nearby shopping malls who can’t figure out how to supersede the convenience of online shopping with convivial ground shopping experience? Is Bezos laughing at Walmart, bestirring itself, which is starting to feel like giant Sears Roebuck did before Walmart’s relentless practices caught up and crushed what is now a shrunken, fragile Sears? Is Bezos laughing at the United States Postal Service, to which he has given – for the time being – much business for shipping Amazon’s packages? Bezos has no intention of this being a long term arrangement. Imagine Amazon with its own fleet of driverless vehicles and drones. Amazon is already using part-time workers to deliver its wares. Is Bezos laughing at the Washington Post, which he bought for a song in 2014 while he was holding down a large contract with the CIA and other government agencies? Is Bezos laughing at Alibaba, the huge (bigger than Amazon) Chinese online seller that is trying but failing to get a toehold in the US market? It is hard to match Amazon’s ruthlessness on its home turf. Is Bezos laughing at people’s manipulated susceptibility for convenience, hooking them with $99 a year for free shipping? Ordering from their computer or cell phone for speedy delivery to sedentary living, Amazon’s customers are robbed of the experience of actively going to local businesses where they can personally engage with others, get offered on the spot bargains and build relationships for all kinds of social, civic and charitable activities. Is Bezos laughing at many millions of Amazon customers who think temporary discounts and minor shipping convenience can make up for the billions of tax dollars Amazon has learned to avoid and the thousands of small business competitors whose closures shrink the local property tax base that supports schools and other essential public services? As Amazon spreads around the world selling everything and  squeezing other businesses that use its platform, is Bezos laughing at humanity? His ultimate objective seems to preside over a mega-trillion dollar global juggernaut that is largely automated, except for that man at the top with the booming laugh who rules over the means by which we consume everything from goods, to media, to groceries. Crushing competitors, history shows, is leads to raising prices by monopolizers. Consumers, workers and retailers alike must be on higher alert and address this growing threat. You have nothing to lose except Bezos’s tightening algorithmic chains. 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Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:22 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son ''One of the things you discover about being president,'' President Barack Obama said during a lengthy news conference several days after the 2016 election, ''is that there are all these rules and norms and laws, and you've got to pay attention to them. And the people who work for you are also subject to those rules and norms, and that's a piece of advice that I gave to the incoming president.'' In terms of ethics, he said: ''I will put this administration against any administration in history. And the reason is because, frankly, we listened to the lawyers. We had a strong White House Counsel's Office. We had a strong ethics office. We had people in every agency whose job it was to remind people: This is how you're supposed to do things.'' On Harvard Law Obama's Harvard/Yale Law Mafia see Charlie Savage's "Power Wars." The Nazis had their lawyers too. Seventy years after World War II, the Nazis have won. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 9 15:27:55 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:27:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:22 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son ''One of the things you discover about being president,'' President Barack Obama said during a lengthy news conference several days after the 2016 election, ''is that there are all these rules and norms and laws, and you've got to pay attention to them. And the people who work for you are also subject to those rules and norms, and that's a piece of advice that I gave to the incoming president.'' In terms of ethics, he said: ''I will put this administration against any administration in history. And the reason is because, frankly, we listened to the lawyers. We had a strong White House Counsel's Office. We had a strong ethics office. We had people in every agency whose job it was to remind people: This is how you're supposed to do things.'' On Harvard Law Obama's Harvard/Yale Law Mafia see Charlie Savage's "Power Wars." The Nazis had their lawyers too. Seventy years after World War II, the Nazis have won. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 9 15:35:56 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:35:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son Message-ID: By comparison, even Bush Jr did not arrogate to himself the alleged "right" to murder US citizens. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:28 AM To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: FW: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:22 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son ''One of the things you discover about being president,'' President Barack Obama said during a lengthy news conference several days after the 2016 election, ''is that there are all these rules and norms and laws, and you've got to pay attention to them. And the people who work for you are also subject to those rules and norms, and that's a piece of advice that I gave to the incoming president.'' In terms of ethics, he said: ''I will put this administration against any administration in history. And the reason is because, frankly, we listened to the lawyers. We had a strong White House Counsel's Office. We had a strong ethics office. We had people in every agency whose job it was to remind people: This is how you're supposed to do things.'' On Harvard Law Obama's Harvard/Yale Law Mafia see Charlie Savage's "Power Wars." The Nazis had their lawyers too. Seventy years after World War II, the Nazis have won. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 9 15:35:56 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:35:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son Message-ID: By comparison, even Bush Jr did not arrogate to himself the alleged "right" to murder US citizens. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:28 AM To: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: FW: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:22 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son ''One of the things you discover about being president,'' President Barack Obama said during a lengthy news conference several days after the 2016 election, ''is that there are all these rules and norms and laws, and you've got to pay attention to them. And the people who work for you are also subject to those rules and norms, and that's a piece of advice that I gave to the incoming president.'' In terms of ethics, he said: ''I will put this administration against any administration in history. And the reason is because, frankly, we listened to the lawyers. We had a strong White House Counsel's Office. We had a strong ethics office. We had people in every agency whose job it was to remind people: This is how you're supposed to do things.'' On Harvard Law Obama's Harvard/Yale Law Mafia see Charlie Savage's "Power Wars." The Nazis had their lawyers too. Seventy years after World War II, the Nazis have won. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 9 16:02:42 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 11:02:42 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?utf-8?q?=5Bsf-core=5D_Article=3A_The_Book_That_?= =?utf-8?q?Predicted_Trump=E2=80=99s_Rise_Offers_the_Left_a_Roadmap_for_De?= =?utf-8?q?feating_Him?= In-Reply-To: <65BDECCF-03E5-4DCA-B8A7-32D186C6548B@illinois.edu> References: <65BDECCF-03E5-4DCA-B8A7-32D186C6548B@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Which of Rorty’s views do you not endorse, Belden? Do you endorse the political establishment’s denigration of the ‘populist demagogue’s’ agreements with the Russian president in Hamburg? Do you support the establishment (and media) call for the renewal of the Obama-Clinton administration’s war provocations against Russia, from Ukraine to Syria? —CGE > On Jul 7, 2017, at 8:28 PM, 'Fields, A Belden' a-fields at illinois.edu [sf-core] wrote: > > While I not endorsing all of Rorty's views, I think it' interesting coming from one of the most prominent American philosophers. I do share his critique of Foucault and have made a similar one in Nelson and Grossberg (eds) Marxism and the Interpretation of Culture, > Belden > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Mohraz, Jane E" >> Date: July 6, 2017 at 10:24:57 PM CDT >> To: "Fields, A Belden" >> Subject: Article: The Book That Predicted Trump’s Rise Offers the Left a Roadmap for Defeating Him >> >> Twenty years ago, Richard Rorty warned that “a spectatorial, disgusted, mocking Left” would give rise to a populist demagogue. Is it ready now to take his advice? Twenty years ago, in a series of lectures on the history of American civilization, the philosopher Richard Rorty offered a prediction.... >> >> http://flip.it/kOvPkb From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 9 17:32:44 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:32:44 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Maureen, the Sycophantic Mouthpiece In-Reply-To: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> Message-ID: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/opinion/sunday/putin-trump-bannon-taxes.html?_r=0 The US political establishment, with the NYT as one of its multiple loudspeakers, continues their hysterical campaign against Trump, for fear he might actually mean some of his 'economic nationalist' criticisms of the neolib and neocon policies ('corporate globalization') that characterized the Bush and Obama administrations. The propaganda cover of the establishment's campaign is the desperate and fantastical 'Russiagate'; their principal weapon for winning the support of the US populace is their control of the US media. The leading critic within the administration of the more war (neocon) and more inequality (neolib) policies of the establishment is Steve Bannon, whom MSM must make a villain (along with Putin), as in the outrageous nonsense above. —CGE From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 9 17:35:52 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:35:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) Feed: "Francis Boyle" - BingNews Posted on: Saturday, July 08, 2017 5:59 AM Author: "Francis Boyle" - BingNews Subject: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. “I am encouraged. The meeting ... View article... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Sun Jul 9 18:29:00 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 13:29:00 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Maureen, the Sycophantic Mouthpiece In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Give the devil her due. She praises Steve Bannon for wanting to tax the rich and cut the taxes of working people, and urges Trump to take Bannon's advice. [...] Steve Bannon has not been partying in the Hamptons with Jared, Ivanka and Kellyanne. He has instead been lurking in his lair, scheming about a plan to raise taxes on the richest people in America and give tax cuts to the people who need them. As Jonathan Swan wrote when he broke the story in Axios, “It’s classic Bannon — pushing a maximalist position that’s reviled by the Republican establishment.” Conservative craniums are exploding all over town. Mitch McConnell had already been worried that Donald Trump might revert to the pragmatist who gave Chuck Schumer and Hillary donations and triangulate with Democrats. [...] [...] As Grover Norquist, the anti-tax evangelist, howled, “It’s a particularly cruel thing for Bannon to do.” In his role as Keeper of the Essence, the one who tends the flame between Trump and his base, Bannon has been guilty of plenty of cruel things, from the botched travel ban to “American carnage” to the fixation with the wall to the offensive tripe in Breitbart when he ran it. As the rumpled hero to white nationalists likes to say, “Darkness is good.” [...] [...] Bannon is right to challenge his colleagues’ claim that the rich pour money from tax cuts back into the economy. If you give a tax cut to people who make a million a year or more, they save the money. But if you give a tax cut to working-class and poor people, they spend the money. So the multiplier effect for the economy is much higher with tax cuts for people who don’t have a lot of money. Bannon understands that if President Trump gave a raspberry to plutocrats, including all the ones in his own administration, he would grow more popular. (It would be hard to grow less popular.) For all Trump’s insanity, he is in a unique place to do some interesting things because he’s not beholden to the usual suspects. He’s barely even a Republican, so it would be a smart strategy to work with Democrats on the things he agrees with, that Democrats can’t say no to. Why doesn’t Trump indulge his predilection for acting against expectations in a way that could be a boon to his base, or “my people,” as he calls them? Why squander all that combativeness and impulsiveness on Twitter insults? Why settle into an angry standoff with a majority of the country? It’s an exhausting dynamic that breeds a siege mentality — a mind-set that was succinctly described by Kellyanne Conway at a recent Washington dinner as “they hate us and we hate them.” Why doesn’t Trump channel all that bile against the establishment and show us his purported negotiating skills by sitting down and working out an actual deal that could benefit a lot of the people in Trump country who need health care rather than backing the “mean” House and Senate plans that are going to hit rural America particularly hard? [...] Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Amend NDAA to End U.S. Aid to Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/opinion/sunday/putin- > trump-bannon-taxes.html?_r=0 > > The US political establishment, with the NYT as one of its multiple > loudspeakers, continues their hysterical campaign against Trump, for fear > he might actually mean some of his 'economic nationalist' criticisms of the > neolib and neocon policies ('corporate globalization') that characterized > the Bush and Obama administrations. > > The propaganda cover of the establishment's campaign is the desperate and > fantastical 'Russiagate'; their principal weapon for winning the support of > the US populace is their control of the US media. > > The leading critic within the administration of the more war (neocon) and > more inequality (neolib) policies of the establishment is Steve Bannon, > whom MSM must make a villain (along with Putin), as in the outrageous > nonsense above. > > —CGE > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 9 18:48:56 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 13:48:56 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Maureen, the Sycophantic Mouthpiece In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Bannon’s call for taxing the rich and cutting the taxes of working people is quite consistent with the economic nationalism that he has been urging on Trump all along. He’s opposed in the administration by Cohn as the representative of the corporate globalists who have dominated all recent administrations (and of course the Clinton campaign). The latter are the source of the hostility to Russia (and China) evident in the scurrilous criticism (as in Dowd’s column) of Trump’s talk with Putin. —CGE > On Jul 9, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > Give the devil her due. She praises Steve Bannon for wanting to tax the rich and cut the taxes of working people, and urges Trump to take Bannon's advice. > > [...] > Steve Bannon has not been partying in the Hamptons with Jared, Ivanka and Kellyanne. He has instead been lurking in his lair, scheming about a plan to raise taxes on the richest people in America and give tax cuts to the people who need them. > > As Jonathan Swan wrote when he broke the story in Axios, “It’s classic Bannon — pushing a maximalist position that’s reviled by the Republican establishment.” > > Conservative craniums are exploding all over town. Mitch McConnell had already been worried that Donald Trump might revert to the pragmatist who gave Chuck Schumer and Hillary donations and triangulate with Democrats. > [...] > > [...] > As Grover Norquist, the anti-tax evangelist, howled, “It’s a particularly cruel thing for Bannon to do.” > > In his role as Keeper of the Essence, the one who tends the flame between Trump and his base, Bannon has been guilty of plenty of cruel things, from the botched travel ban to “American carnage” to the fixation with the wall to the offensive tripe in Breitbart when he ran it. > > As the rumpled hero to white nationalists likes to say, “Darkness is good.” > [...] > > [...] > Bannon is right to challenge his colleagues’ claim that the rich pour money from tax cuts back into the economy. > > If you give a tax cut to people who make a million a year or more, they save the money. But if you give a tax cut to working-class and poor people, they spend the money. So the multiplier effect for the economy is much higher with tax cuts for people who don’t have a lot of money. > > Bannon understands that if President Trump gave a raspberry to plutocrats, including all the ones in his own administration, he would grow more popular. (It would be hard to grow less popular.) > > For all Trump’s insanity, he is in a unique place to do some interesting things because he’s not beholden to the usual suspects. He’s barely even a Republican, so it would be a smart strategy to work with Democrats on the things he agrees with, that Democrats can’t say no to. > > Why doesn’t Trump indulge his predilection for acting against expectations in a way that could be a boon to his base, or “my people,” as he calls them? Why squander all that combativeness and impulsiveness on Twitter insults? Why settle into an angry standoff with a majority of the country? It’s an exhausting dynamic that breeds a siege mentality — a mind-set that was succinctly described by Kellyanne Conway at a recent Washington dinner as “they hate us and we hate them.” > > Why doesn’t Trump channel all that bile against the establishment and show us his purported negotiating skills by sitting down and working out an actual deal that could benefit a lot of the people in Trump country who need health care rather than backing the “mean” House and Senate plans that are going to hit rural America particularly hard? > [...] > > > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > Amend NDAA to End U.S. Aid to Saudi War in Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/opinion/sunday/putin-trump-bannon-taxes.html?_r=0 > > The US political establishment, with the NYT as one of its multiple loudspeakers, continues their hysterical campaign against Trump, for fear he might actually mean some of his 'economic nationalist' criticisms of the neolib and neocon policies ('corporate globalization') that characterized the Bush and Obama administrations. > > The propaganda cover of the establishment's campaign is the desperate and fantastical 'Russiagate'; their principal weapon for winning the support of the US populace is their control of the US media. > > The leading critic within the administration of the more war (neocon) and more inequality (neolib) policies of the establishment is Steve Bannon, whom MSM must make a villain (along with Putin), as in the outrageous nonsense above. > > —CGE > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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American Law Professors for war crimes! American Law Professors for crimes against humanity! American Law Professors for genocide! American Law Professors for wars of aggression! American Law Professors for murdering U.S. citizens! American Law Professors for murder courts! American Law Professors for trashing the U.S. Constitution! American Law Professors for trashing the Bill of Rights! American Law Professors for trashing International Law! American Law Professors for trashing Human Rights! How much lower can American Law Professors sink Into this criminal shit Of Nazi Legal Nihilism? The Nazis had their Law Professors too The worst of the bunch was Carl Schmitt Now we have: American Law Professors For Carl Schmitt too! Arabs and Muslims Have become American Law Professors' New Jews Their untermensh Now at Berkeley Law too With Chaired John Yoo1 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:36 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son By comparison, even Bush Jr did not arrogate to himself the alleged "right" to murder US citizens. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:28 AM To: David Green >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; Karen Aram >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay >; David Johnson >; Mildred O'brien >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:22 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son ''One of the things you discover about being president,'' President Barack Obama said during a lengthy news conference several days after the 2016 election, ''is that there are all these rules and norms and laws, and you've got to pay attention to them. And the people who work for you are also subject to those rules and norms, and that's a piece of advice that I gave to the incoming president.'' In terms of ethics, he said: ''I will put this administration against any administration in history. And the reason is because, frankly, we listened to the lawyers. We had a strong White House Counsel's Office. We had a strong ethics office. We had people in every agency whose job it was to remind people: This is how you're supposed to do things.'' On Harvard Law Obama's Harvard/Yale Law Mafia see Charlie Savage's "Power Wars." The Nazis had their lawyers too. Seventy years after World War II, the Nazis have won. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) ________________________________ 1 One of President Bushie Jr's most notorious torture lawyers and war criminals and a student of Harold Killer Koh at Yale Law School. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 9 21:59:57 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 21:59:57 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son Message-ID: Beneath Bush: It just shows you how low Harvard Law Obama and his Harvard/Yale Law Mafia like Clinton and Killer Koh have sunk into the Nazi Shit of Carl Schmitt-murdering US citizens including an American Child. And the Newspeak Times will propagate pro-Dem Propaganda with a straight face and no shame. Fab. The Nazis Had Their Law Professors Too American Law Professors What have we become? American Law Professors for torture! American Law Professors for Gitmo Kangaroo Courts! American Law Professors for indefinite detention! American Law Professors for spying! American Law Professors for drone strikes! American Law Professors for murder! American Law Professors for assassinations! American Law Professors for war crimes! American Law Professors for crimes against humanity! American Law Professors for genocide! American Law Professors for wars of aggression! American Law Professors for murdering U.S. citizens! American Law Professors for murder courts! American Law Professors for trashing the U.S. Constitution! American Law Professors for trashing the Bill of Rights! American Law Professors for trashing International Law! American Law Professors for trashing Human Rights! How much lower can American Law Professors sink Into this criminal shit Of Nazi Legal Nihilism? The Nazis had their Law Professors too The worst of the bunch was Carl Schmitt Now we have: American Law Professors For Carl Schmitt too! Arabs and Muslims Have become American Law Professors' New Jews Their untermensh Now at Berkeley Law too With Chaired John Yoo1 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:36 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son By comparison, even Bush Jr did not arrogate to himself the alleged "right" to murder US citizens. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:28 AM To: David Green >; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK >; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J >; Joe Lauria >; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; Arlene Hickory >; David Swanson >; Karen Aram >; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne >; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay >; David Johnson >; Mildred O'brien >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:22 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: SNYT MAG: Obama et al on Drone Murdering US Citizens, Including Mr Alwaki's 16 Year old Son ''One of the things you discover about being president,'' President Barack Obama said during a lengthy news conference several days after the 2016 election, ''is that there are all these rules and norms and laws, and you've got to pay attention to them. And the people who work for you are also subject to those rules and norms, and that's a piece of advice that I gave to the incoming president.'' In terms of ethics, he said: ''I will put this administration against any administration in history. And the reason is because, frankly, we listened to the lawyers. We had a strong White House Counsel's Office. We had a strong ethics office. We had people in every agency whose job it was to remind people: This is how you're supposed to do things.'' On Harvard Law Obama's Harvard/Yale Law Mafia see Charlie Savage's "Power Wars." The Nazis had their lawyers too. Seventy years after World War II, the Nazis have won. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) ________________________________ 1 One of President Bushie Jr's most notorious torture lawyers and war criminals and a student of Harold Killer Koh at Yale Law School. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Sun Jul 9 22:43:51 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:43:51 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] JFP alert: Tell Rules Cmte: Allow House votes on ending Saudi war in Yemen Message-ID: Rep. Cole represents Norman, in case you know anyone at the University of Oklahoma...Burgess is Dallas-Forth Worth... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Just Foreign Policy Date: Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 5:22 PM Subject: Tell Rules Cmte: Allow House votes on ending Saudi war in Yemen To: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org [image: Just Foreign Policy] Dear Robert, Urge Reps. Cole & Burgess to allow House votes on ending the Saudi war in Yemen. Take Action This week the House is considering amendments on the National Defense Authorization Act. The House Rules Committee will decide which amendments will receive House floor votes. Amendments have been offered which would end U.S. refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen [1], ban the transfer of cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia [2], and block U.S. weapons transfers to Saudi Arabia until it ends its blockade that is pushing Yemen into famine. 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SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. As for the crisis on Russia’s border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. “I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine,” Boyle said. Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. “This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences,” he said. Trump’s decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. “For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine,” Boyle said. Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. “Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski,” he said. Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama’s first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. BOOST TO US-RUSSIA RELATIONS Historian and retired US Army Major Todd Pierce told Sputnik he welcomed the emerging reports of Trump’s talks with Putin, showing that the US president’s focus on improving ties with Moscow is paying dividends. “If true, these headlines are very good news,” he said. “Of the many reasons to complain of about Trump, avoiding war with Russia should not be one of them.” Pierce praised Trump for his repeated efforts to improve relations with Russia, often in the face of scurrilous and unproven personal allegations against him in the US media. Trump had outraged warmongering elements in the United States, Pierce pointed out. “Unfortunately, many of his American opponents oppose him because he has talked rationally of the need to maintain peace with Russia,” he said. Pierce also acknowledged the value of the ceasefire agreement on Syria that Trump had reached with Putin. The US leader had agreed “to work with Russia in reducing violence in hotspots, such as Syria,” he said. However, such moves flew in the face of the long-running campaign by other groups in the United States to stir up hatred and suspicion against Russia in order to justify massively bloated arms expenditures and aggressive international policies, Pierce noted. Trump’s attempt to reduce the danger of clashes over Syria, therefore, “goes against US militarist’s constant incitement of war with Russia that we’ve now seen for many years,” he remarked. Featured image from REUTERS/ Steffen Kugler/Courtesy of Bundesregierung The original source of this article is Sputnik Copyright © Sputnik, Sputnik, 2017 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 10 13:13:22 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:13:22 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A192411-E02F-41E1-AA3E-3D9A96857911@illinois.edu> And the US media, incredibly enough, lead with the question of ‘Russian hacking’ of the US election! Small wonder that Americans are unaware if the crimes of their government abroad. > On Jul 10, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > >> >> Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. “I am encouraged. The meeting ... > > The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. > > SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS > > Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. > > As for the crisis on Russia’s border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. > > University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. > > “I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine,” Boyle said. > > Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. > > “This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences,” he said. > > Trump’s decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. > > “For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine,” Boyle said. > > Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. > > “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. > > However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. > > “Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski,” he said. > > Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. > > Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama’s first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. > > BOOST TO US-RUSSIA RELATIONS > > Historian and retired US Army Major Todd Pierce told Sputnik he welcomed the emerging reports of Trump’s talks with Putin, showing that the US president’s focus on improving ties with Moscow is paying dividends. > > “If true, these headlines are very good news,” he said. “Of the many reasons to complain of about Trump, avoiding war with Russia should not be one of them.” > > Pierce praised Trump for his repeated efforts to improve relations with Russia, often in the face of scurrilous and unproven personal allegations against him in the US media. > > Trump had outraged warmongering elements in the United States, Pierce pointed out. > > “Unfortunately, many of his American opponents oppose him because he has talked rationally of the need to maintain peace with Russia,” he said. > > Pierce also acknowledged the value of the ceasefire agreement on Syria that Trump had reached with Putin. > > The US leader had agreed “to work with Russia in reducing violence in hotspots, such as Syria,” he said. > > However, such moves flew in the face of the long-running campaign by other groups in the United States to stir up hatred and suspicion against Russia in order to justify massively bloated arms expenditures and aggressive international policies, Pierce noted. > > Trump’s attempt to reduce the danger of clashes over Syria, therefore, “goes against US militarist’s constant incitement of war with Russia that we’ve now seen for many years,” he remarked. > > Featured image from REUTERS/ Steffen Kugler/Courtesy of Bundesregierung > > The original source of this article is Sputnik > Copyright © Sputnik, Sputnik, 2017 > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 10 13:15:09 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 13:15:09 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine In-Reply-To: <3A192411-E02F-41E1-AA3E-3D9A96857911@illinois.edu> References: <3A192411-E02F-41E1-AA3E-3D9A96857911@illinois.edu> Message-ID: “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. ----------------------------------------------- Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 8:13 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: peace ; Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine And the US media, incredibly enough, lead with the question of ‘Russian hacking’ of the US election! Small wonder that Americans are unaware if the crimes of their government abroad. > On Jul 10, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > >> >> Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. “I am encouraged. The meeting ... > > The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. > > SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS > > Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. > > As for the crisis on Russia’s border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. > > University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. > > “I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine,” Boyle said. > > Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. > > “This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences,” he said. > > Trump’s decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. > > “For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine,” Boyle said. > > Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. > > “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. > > However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. > > “Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski,” he said. > > Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. > > Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama’s first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. > > BOOST TO US-RUSSIA RELATIONS > > Historian and retired US Army Major Todd Pierce told Sputnik he welcomed the emerging reports of Trump’s talks with Putin, showing that the US president’s focus on improving ties with Moscow is paying dividends. > > “If true, these headlines are very good news,” he said. “Of the many reasons to complain of about Trump, avoiding war with Russia should not be one of them.” > > Pierce praised Trump for his repeated efforts to improve relations with Russia, often in the face of scurrilous and unproven personal allegations against him in the US media. > > Trump had outraged warmongering elements in the United States, Pierce pointed out. > > “Unfortunately, many of his American opponents oppose him because he has talked rationally of the need to maintain peace with Russia,” he said. > > Pierce also acknowledged the value of the ceasefire agreement on Syria that Trump had reached with Putin. > > The US leader had agreed “to work with Russia in reducing violence in hotspots, such as Syria,” he said. > > However, such moves flew in the face of the long-running campaign by other groups in the United States to stir up hatred and suspicion against Russia in order to justify massively bloated arms expenditures and aggressive international policies, Pierce noted. > > Trump’s attempt to reduce the danger of clashes over Syria, therefore, “goes against US militarist’s constant incitement of war with Russia that we’ve now seen for many years,” he remarked. > > Featured image from REUTERS/ Steffen Kugler/Courtesy of > Bundesregierung > > The original source of this article is Sputnik Copyright © Sputnik, > Sputnik, 2017 _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 10 13:28:14 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 08:28:14 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine In-Reply-To: References: <3A192411-E02F-41E1-AA3E-3D9A96857911@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And the "anti-Russian factions" are the ‘corporate globalizers’ who’ve dominated all recent administrations - and are attempting to dominate the current one. —CGE > On Jul 10, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 8:13 AM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine > > And the US media, incredibly enough, lead with the question of ‘Russian hacking’ of the US election! > > Small wonder that Americans are unaware of the crimes of their government abroad. > > >> On Jul 10, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >>> >>> Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. “I am encouraged. The meeting ... >> >> The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. >> >> SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS >> >> Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. >> >> As for the crisis on Russia’s border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. >> >> University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. >> >> “I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine,” Boyle said. >> >> Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. >> >> “This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences,” he said. >> >> Trump’s decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. >> >> “For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine,” Boyle said. >> >> Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. >> >> “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. >> >> However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. >> >> “Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski,” he said. >> >> Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. >> >> Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama’s first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. >> >> BOOST TO US-RUSSIA RELATIONS >> >> Historian and retired US Army Major Todd Pierce told Sputnik he welcomed the emerging reports of Trump’s talks with Putin, showing that the US president’s focus on improving ties with Moscow is paying dividends. >> >> “If true, these headlines are very good news,” he said. “Of the many reasons to complain of about Trump, avoiding war with Russia should not be one of them.” >> >> Pierce praised Trump for his repeated efforts to improve relations with Russia, often in the face of scurrilous and unproven personal allegations against him in the US media. >> >> Trump had outraged warmongering elements in the United States, Pierce pointed out. >> >> “Unfortunately, many of his American opponents oppose him because he has talked rationally of the need to maintain peace with Russia,” he said. >> >> Pierce also acknowledged the value of the ceasefire agreement on Syria that Trump had reached with Putin. >> >> The US leader had agreed “to work with Russia in reducing violence in hotspots, such as Syria,” he said. >> >> However, such moves flew in the face of the long-running campaign by other groups in the United States to stir up hatred and suspicion against Russia in order to justify massively bloated arms expenditures and aggressive international policies, Pierce noted. >> >> Trump’s attempt to reduce the danger of clashes over Syria, therefore, “goes against US militarist’s constant incitement of war with Russia that we’ve now seen for many years,” he remarked. >> >> Featured image from REUTERS/ Steffen Kugler/Courtesy of >> Bundesregierung >> >> The original source of this article is Sputnik Copyright © Sputnik, >> Sputnik, 2017 _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 10 13:31:05 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 13:31:05 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine In-Reply-To: References: <3A192411-E02F-41E1-AA3E-3D9A96857911@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Yes, even on this campus. The Center for Globaloney Studies set up by the die-hard warmonger and human rights trasher Ed Kolodziej. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 8:28 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: Karen Aram ; Peace-discuss List Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine And the "anti-Russian factions" are the ‘corporate globalizers’ who’ve dominated all recent administrations - and are attempting to dominate the current one. —CGE > On Jul 10, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of > Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 8:13 AM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; Peace-discuss List > > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks > Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine > > And the US media, incredibly enough, lead with the question of ‘Russian hacking’ of the US election! > > Small wonder that Americans are unaware of the crimes of their government abroad. > > >> On Jul 10, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >>> >>> Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. “I am encouraged. The meeting ... >> >> The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. >> >> SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS >> >> Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. >> >> As for the crisis on Russia’s border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. >> >> University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. >> >> “I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine,” Boyle said. >> >> Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. >> >> “This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences,” he said. >> >> Trump’s decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. >> >> “For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine,” Boyle said. >> >> Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. >> >> “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. >> >> However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. >> >> “Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski,” he said. >> >> Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. >> >> Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama’s first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. >> >> BOOST TO US-RUSSIA RELATIONS >> >> Historian and retired US Army Major Todd Pierce told Sputnik he welcomed the emerging reports of Trump’s talks with Putin, showing that the US president’s focus on improving ties with Moscow is paying dividends. >> >> “If true, these headlines are very good news,” he said. “Of the many reasons to complain of about Trump, avoiding war with Russia should not be one of them.” >> >> Pierce praised Trump for his repeated efforts to improve relations with Russia, often in the face of scurrilous and unproven personal allegations against him in the US media. >> >> Trump had outraged warmongering elements in the United States, Pierce pointed out. >> >> “Unfortunately, many of his American opponents oppose him because he has talked rationally of the need to maintain peace with Russia,” he said. >> >> Pierce also acknowledged the value of the ceasefire agreement on Syria that Trump had reached with Putin. >> >> The US leader had agreed “to work with Russia in reducing violence in hotspots, such as Syria,” he said. >> >> However, such moves flew in the face of the long-running campaign by other groups in the United States to stir up hatred and suspicion against Russia in order to justify massively bloated arms expenditures and aggressive international policies, Pierce noted. >> >> Trump’s attempt to reduce the danger of clashes over Syria, therefore, “goes against US militarist’s constant incitement of war with Russia that we’ve now seen for many years,” he remarked. >> >> Featured image from REUTERS/ Steffen Kugler/Courtesy of >> Bundesregierung >> >> The original source of this article is Sputnik Copyright © Sputnik, >> Sputnik, 2017 _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 10 14:21:03 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:21:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine In-Reply-To: <3A192411-E02F-41E1-AA3E-3D9A96857911@illinois.edu> References: <3A192411-E02F-41E1-AA3E-3D9A96857911@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I was under the impression that the Russian hacking, or “Russiagate” was laid to rest, as a dead issue, given the lack of evidence, the hearings proving the lies of Comey and others, as well as CNN pundits being overheard to say, Russiagate is all “baloney” or something to that effect. Why has mainstream media not reported this yet? I say with sarcasm. > On Jul 10, 2017, at 06:13, Carl G. Estabrook wrote: > > And the US media, incredibly enough, lead with the question of ‘Russian hacking’ of the US election! > > Small wonder that Americans are unaware if the crimes of their government abroad. > > >> On Jul 10, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >>> >>> Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. “I am encouraged. The meeting ... >> >> The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. >> >> SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS >> >> Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. >> >> As for the crisis on Russia’s border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. >> >> University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. >> >> “I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine,” Boyle said. >> >> Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. >> >> “This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences,” he said. >> >> Trump’s decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. >> >> “For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine,” Boyle said. >> >> Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. >> >> “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. >> >> However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. >> >> “Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski,” he said. >> >> Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. >> >> Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama’s first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. >> >> BOOST TO US-RUSSIA RELATIONS >> >> Historian and retired US Army Major Todd Pierce told Sputnik he welcomed the emerging reports of Trump’s talks with Putin, showing that the US president’s focus on improving ties with Moscow is paying dividends. >> >> “If true, these headlines are very good news,” he said. “Of the many reasons to complain of about Trump, avoiding war with Russia should not be one of them.” >> >> Pierce praised Trump for his repeated efforts to improve relations with Russia, often in the face of scurrilous and unproven personal allegations against him in the US media. >> >> Trump had outraged warmongering elements in the United States, Pierce pointed out. >> >> “Unfortunately, many of his American opponents oppose him because he has talked rationally of the need to maintain peace with Russia,” he said. >> >> Pierce also acknowledged the value of the ceasefire agreement on Syria that Trump had reached with Putin. >> >> The US leader had agreed “to work with Russia in reducing violence in hotspots, such as Syria,” he said. >> >> However, such moves flew in the face of the long-running campaign by other groups in the United States to stir up hatred and suspicion against Russia in order to justify massively bloated arms expenditures and aggressive international policies, Pierce noted. >> >> Trump’s attempt to reduce the danger of clashes over Syria, therefore, “goes against US militarist’s constant incitement of war with Russia that we’ve now seen for many years,” he remarked. >> >> Featured image from REUTERS/ Steffen Kugler/Courtesy of Bundesregierung >> >> The original source of this article is Sputnik >> Copyright © Sputnik, Sputnik, 2017 >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 10 15:28:52 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:28:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] North Korea Message-ID: N. Korea has over 24,000 US troops on it's border with S. Korea. The only thing preventing them from an attack by the US is their nuclear weapons, especially with the US now insisting on THAAD implementation in S. Korea, THAAD is an affront to China and Russia, as well as N. Korea. If attacked by the US, N. Korea has enough military artillery to incinerate Soule and the US troops stationed there, so they don't fear a US nuclear attack. S. Korea fears the US provoking an attack. Freezing their nuclear program is supported by China, but any suggestions by the US that China should be doing US bidding to bring N. Korea to heel, is ridiculous and not in China's interests. The N. Korean "regime maybe unreasonable," but their "demands are reasonable." Both China and Russia have been urging the US to hold "talks" with the use of diplomacy as a means of settling issues. An end to the Korean war, decades old, bringing our troops home, would be a start. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 10 15:37:59 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:37:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine In-Reply-To: References: <3A192411-E02F-41E1-AA3E-3D9A96857911@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I fear Professor Boyle’s warnings “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” a likely outcome, so in spite of the “good news” and progressive steps taken at the G-20 Summit, by Trump and Putin, I’m not holding my breath for peace. > On Jul 10, 2017, at 06:15, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. > ----------------------------------------------- > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign, IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 8:13 AM > To: Karen Aram > Cc: peace ; Peace-discuss List > Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Good News: Trump-Putin Talks Mark First Step in Defusing Tensions Over Syria, Ukraine > > And the US media, incredibly enough, lead with the question of ‘Russian hacking’ of the US election! > > Small wonder that Americans are unaware if the crimes of their government abroad. > > >> On Jul 10, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >>> >>> Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. “I am encouraged. The meeting ... >> >> The meet was initially scheduled for 30 minutes, but lasted for over two hours, during which the leaders addressed some of the most pressing issues in US-Russia relations including sanctions and cyber warfare along with the conflicts in Syria and Ukraine. >> >> SYRIA, UKRAINE TENSIONS >> >> Trump and Putin agreed on Friday to enforce a new ceasefire across southern Syria that will come into effect within two days at noon Damascus time on Sunday. And for the first time ever, Trump committed the United States to active involvement in implementing the Minsk Accord on Ukraine. >> >> As for the crisis on Russia’s border, the US State Department announced that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson appointed former Permanent Representative to NATO Kurt Volker as special representative for Ukraine negotiations. Tillerson said he named Volker as a representative upon Putin’s request. >> >> University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik the initial meeting delivered key outcomes on Syria and Ukraine. >> >> “I am encouraged. The meeting produced substantial progress on two of the most important and dangerous issues that had separated Russia and the United States during the Obama administration: Syria and Ukraine,” Boyle said. >> >> Syria especially was developing into a serious potential flashpoint between the Russian and US armed forces but Trump and Putin in their meeting on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Hamburg had both recognized the danger, Boyle pointed out. >> >> “This was an existentially dangerous situation because at any time Russian and American military forces could have struck each other with unpredictable and catastrophic consequences,” he said. >> >> Trump’s decision to appoint veteran US diplomat and former Washington ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker as the new first US envoy to Ukraine to help implement the Minsk agreement was also a historic step forward, Boyle explained. >> >> “For the first time ever, the United States government has bought into the Minsk accord, which is the only way forward on dealing with the situation in Ukraine,” Boyle said. >> >> Volker served as US permanent representative to NATO for presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. He refused to sign a 2016 open letter from scores of foreign policy experts associated with the Republican Party denouncing Trump during his successful election campaign. >> >> “Of course the anti-Russian Factions here in the United States in the news media, the Deep State, punditry and academia will fight back ferociously,” Boyle warned. >> >> However, Trump and Putin had succeeded in laying the potential foundation for an improved relationship between the superpowers that could end the poisonous legacy of the Obama years, Boyle suggested. >> >> “Their G20 Meeting will hopefully commence a new and constructive relationship between the US and Russia instead of the anti-Russian warmongering by Obama, Clinton, Brzezinski,” he said. >> >> Obama while president continued to use former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, known for his lifelong hostility to Russia, according to many reports. >> >> Relations also deteriorated markedly when Hillary Clinton served as Obama’s first secretary of state from 2009 to 2013. >> >> BOOST TO US-RUSSIA RELATIONS >> >> Historian and retired US Army Major Todd Pierce told Sputnik he welcomed the emerging reports of Trump’s talks with Putin, showing that the US president’s focus on improving ties with Moscow is paying dividends. >> >> “If true, these headlines are very good news,” he said. “Of the many reasons to complain of about Trump, avoiding war with Russia should not be one of them.” >> >> Pierce praised Trump for his repeated efforts to improve relations with Russia, often in the face of scurrilous and unproven personal allegations against him in the US media. >> >> Trump had outraged warmongering elements in the United States, Pierce pointed out. >> >> “Unfortunately, many of his American opponents oppose him because he has talked rationally of the need to maintain peace with Russia,” he said. >> >> Pierce also acknowledged the value of the ceasefire agreement on Syria that Trump had reached with Putin. >> >> The US leader had agreed “to work with Russia in reducing violence in hotspots, such as Syria,” he said. >> >> However, such moves flew in the face of the long-running campaign by other groups in the United States to stir up hatred and suspicion against Russia in order to justify massively bloated arms expenditures and aggressive international policies, Pierce noted. >> >> Trump’s attempt to reduce the danger of clashes over Syria, therefore, “goes against US militarist’s constant incitement of war with Russia that we’ve now seen for many years,” he remarked. >> >> Featured image from REUTERS/ Steffen Kugler/Courtesy of >> Bundesregierung >> >> The original source of this article is Sputnik Copyright © Sputnik, >> Sputnik, 2017 _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 10 17:24:44 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:24:44 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?iso-8859-1?q?A_must_listen=3A_=22Max=A0Blumenth?= =?iso-8859-1?q?al=A0on=A0How=A0the=A0Media=A0Covers=A0Syria=22?= Message-ID: Watch this video from The Real News Network: http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=19506 From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 10 18:24:04 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:24:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 - Progressive Radio Network Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:10 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 - Progressive Radio Network http://prn.fm/black-agenda-radio-07-10-17/ Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 Welcome, to the radio magazine that brings you news, commentary and analysis from a Black Left perspective. The United States has embedded itself in Syrian territory, after six years of arming Islamic jihadist fighters to overthrow that government. Russia is also in Syria, but that's at the request of the recognized Syrian government. There is no legal justification for the U.S. presence in Syria, according to Dr. Francis Boyle, the professor of international law at the University of Illinois. From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 10 18:24:04 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:24:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 - Progressive Radio Network Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:10 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 - Progressive Radio Network http://prn.fm/black-agenda-radio-07-10-17/ Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 Welcome, to the radio magazine that brings you news, commentary and analysis from a Black Left perspective. The United States has embedded itself in Syrian territory, after six years of arming Islamic jihadist fighters to overthrow that government. Russia is also in Syria, but that's at the request of the recognized Syrian government. There is no legal justification for the U.S. presence in Syria, according to Dr. Francis Boyle, the professor of international law at the University of Illinois. From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 10 18:28:38 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:28:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 - Progressive Radio Network Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 1:10 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 - Progressive Radio Network http://prn.fm/black-agenda-radio-07-10-17/ Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 Welcome, to the radio magazine that brings you news, commentary and analysis from a Black Left perspective. The United States has embedded itself in Syrian territory, after six years of arming Islamic jihadist fighters to overthrow that government. Russia is also in Syria, but that's at the request of the recognized Syrian government. There is no legal justification for the U.S. presence in Syria, according to Dr. Francis Boyle, the professor of international law at the University of Illinois. From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 10 18:58:18 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trump in Poland References: <756024573.2187942.1499713098049.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <756024573.2187942.1499713098049@mail.yahoo.com> However one interprets Trump's comments in Warsaw--which were no different than what would have been offered by Hillary Clinton--in the context of the Trump-Putin meeting and Syria negotiations, it might also be helpful to offer a historical corrective on Polish nationalism, which Daniel Lazare does in this Jacobin article from 2015; you don't have to bother with the execrable poetry to get the historical critique. And it's fascinating, as always, to note the selective response to anti-Semitism that characterizes Zionist propaganda, by commission and omission. In any event, it would seem that the conventional wisdom that the Soviets abandoned the Poles in Warsaw in 1944 is a myth, or at least Lazare convinces me of that. Nationalism’s Heretic | | | | | | | | | | | Nationalism’s Heretic Polish writer Miron Białoszewski poked holes in nationalist myths with idiosyncratic prose. | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 10 19:45:08 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:45:08 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Letter to the editor In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Editor, Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette: We must demand that our government remove all our troops and weapons from the Mideast. The recent discussion between presidents Putin and Trump has begun a partial ceasefire in Syria, which should be extended to all of the country. Russian troops are there at the invitation of a legitimate government, while the US had no legal right to invade Syria. More than two generations ago, the Kennedy administration illegally invaded South Vietnam and carried on a war in Southeast Asia - Vietnam and environs - and eventually killed perhaps four million people, including more than 50,000 Americans. If American leaders from those days were tried as German leaders were at Nuremberg after WWII, many would have been hanged. By 1969, polls showed that 70% of Americans had come to regard the war as “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake.” American public opinion, the brave resistance of the Vietnamese people, and the revolt of the US conscript army in Vietnam, led to the American withdrawal. As in Southeast Asia long ago, so in Southwest Asia today: the US must withdraw from what the Pentagon calls ‘MENA’ - the Mideast and North Africa - where we have long been killing people to guarantee control of the energy wealth of the region. Control - not just access - is what the US government demands, because it’s a choke-hold over economies like those of Germany and China that are dependent on Mideast gas and oil; the US in contrast imports very little of either from MENA. C. G. Estabrook Visiting professor (ret.) UIUC From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 10 20:27:39 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 20:27:39 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 - Progressive Radio Network References: Message-ID: Another must listen……… Subject: FW: Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 - Progressive Radio Network Date: July 10, 2017 at 11:28:38 PDT http://prn.fm/black-agenda-radio-07-10-17/ Black Agenda Radio - 07.10.17 Welcome, to the radio magazine that brings you news, commentary and analysis from a Black Left perspective. The United States has embedded itself in Syrian territory, after six years of arming Islamic jihadist fighters to overthrow that government. Russia is also in Syria, but that's at the request of the recognized Syrian government. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 10 22:37:51 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 22:37:51 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Now for the bad news on Syria Message-ID: Preserving ISIL: Despite Ceasefire Talk, Tradition Dictates US Will Move Towards Regime Change in Syria JULY 8, 2017 BY 21WIRE 7 COMMENTS Despite recent reports out of the G20 that the US and Russia have agreed to a provisional ceasefire agreement in southern Syria, evidence on the ground, along with noises coming out of Washington and the OPCW on supposed ‘chemical weapons’ and underpinned by the well-established behavioral patterns of Washington – point to a bellicose US who is gradually nudging its way towards regime change in Syria… [1 Trump-Putin Regime Change]By Martin Jay America’s naked lust for regime change in Syria is plain to see now, following the folly of weapons inspectors and a State Department comedy moment. But history has shown us it is likely to push Muslims to slaughter their own, once again. When Donald Trump ordered Tomahawk missile strikes on the Syrian military airbase of Shayrat in April this year, the world should have woken up. Everything we needed to know about Trump which was previously lost in the smoke and mirrors of his buffoonery was there to see. We are seeing it now more than ever in Syria, although remarkably it is still confusing many Western journalists who are struggling to see the wood for the trees. Although the strike itself missed many of the intended targets, it did destroy three key myths about Trump’s Middle East objectives and the rhetoric which he had espoused leading up to his election victory in November. Firstly, he is disingenuous about destroying ISIL; secondly his objective with Syria is a carbon copy of Obama’s (regime change); and lastly, despite so much Russia-smooching, he is in fact not remotely serious about keeping good relations with Moscow. Remarkably, the strike was an immediate reaction to what his experts in the White House and the Pentagon had concluded to be a chemical attack at Khan Sheikhun, in Idlib province – a hotbed of Al-Qaeda groups fighting Assad’s army. In fact, as investigative journalist Seymour Hersh revealed in a recent piece for Die Welt, Trump ignored the intelligence community when it said they had found no evidence that the Syrians had used chemical weapons. The truth is that it is entirely inconsequential and serves as just one more distraction for analysts and journalists who are not focusing on the real picture: Trump is preparing for war with the regime. Tradition dictates that Trump should bomb Assad And there is a pattern to this which is carved out by US presidents and their diplomatic envoys. When the late Richard Colburn met with Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic in July of 1998, the UN ambassador diplomatically sketched out the options for the nationalist leader. They all boiled down to playing ball with the US over Kosovo or expect airstrikes. For the second time. Milosevic’s neck was already in the noose as for at least six years the US had been doing the most it could to isolate him as Russia’s rogue leader in the former Yugoslavia. The Americans had supported from the off, another nationalist leader in neighboring pro-west Croatia – Franjo Tudman – and Clinton had secretly backed arms shipments to him, despite publicly claiming to support a UN arms embargo on former Yugoslavia republics. But it wasn’t just arms. The Americans went the full nine yards in backing Tudman and Croatia – a country that Hitler didn’t need to send his own SS henchmen to, as one Croat extermination camp alone did such a formidable job of killing 50,000 Serbs in the ethnic ‘clean up’ which the Nazis required in the region. On Madeleine Albright’s watch as UN Permanent Representative, Croatia was secretly given a league of retired US generals to work with Tudman and special satellite intelligence of the battlefield in Bosnia, not to mention a sterling PR campaign which succeeded in planting a number of Op-eds in American broadsheets about Croatia being the ‘good guys’ in the war with Milosevic. Unsurprisingly, later in 2015, Croatia gave her an award for her support and presumably not for dubious articles in US media in the 90s claiming she was “getting tough” on the Croatian government. Follow [https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/875388705258831872/H4_uLagc_normal.jpg]RT ✔@RT_com OPCW discredits itself by dodging proper Syria chemical attack probe – Moscow https://on.rt.com/8cqt 12:40 AM - 26 May 2017 [Photo published for OPCW discredits itself by dodging proper Syria chemical attack probe – Moscow — RT News] OPCW discredits itself by dodging proper Syria chemical attack probe – Moscow — RT News Russia has demanded the immediate dispatch of an independent fact-finding mission to the site of last month’s chemical incident in Idlib and the airbase from where the attack was allegedly launched,... rt.com * * 5252 Retweets * 5454 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy But a number of key events are important to remember and chime with what is happening in Syria today. In 1992, and later in 1994 and 1995, three events shook the world when Muslims were killed in a bread queue explosion and then two market bombings – where the West immediately accused Serbs of the atrocities. Albright was too quick to make the conclusion even though UN inspectors could not establish if the craters could be made from Serb positions. There were many Western critics, like Lord Owen, who were dubious of the US conclusion (particularly about the two market bombings). Yet Albright’s zeal to point the finger at Milosevic was all it took for NATO airstrikes to follow. Years later, however, the evidence indicates that the swift conclusions by Albright and Clinton were, in fact, incorrect. The bread queue massacre was certainly a bomb planted by the Bosnian Muslim army, and the two market massacres similarly indicate the same. Muslims attacked their own people to garner more Western support to hit Milosevic. Any of this sound familiar? It should do as this is part of a well-honed craft, a pattern which the US carries out against its perceived enemies around the world, when diplomacy and joined-up-thinking flounder. In the former Yugoslavia, Milosevic was isolated from the start and then demonized for no real reason other than he wouldn’t forlorn the West and had his views and agenda. Grin by ex-Fox anchor speak volumes Assad in Syria has more or less become the fall guy, like Milosevic. It’s not that he has an appalling track record on human rights, torture, executions or destroying any inklings of journalism emerging. It’s that he has not buckled to Washington’s demands and therefore has defined his destiny as a target, like Milosevic or Saddam Hussein. And the pattern is identical. The UN now will attempt to identify who was behind the sarin attack in Idlib, but the indications from the OPCW are not good. Its findings are, at best, tainted as most of its research is based on interviewing people who have already done the joined-up-thinking: if the attack can be blamed on Assad, then the West will bomb the Syrian leader into the next century. Humble Sunnis in rebel-held areas of Syria know this, even if they don’t support the al-Qaeda groups which control them. But we shouldn’t think of these extremists groups anyway as enemies of the West. What can we make of the idiotic grin of ex-Fox anchor turned State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert, when asked by an RT journalist if this immediate rush to military aggression against so-called chemical attacks would merely encourage ISIL to stage an attack. The Tomahawk attack was a starter’s pistol for many like me who saw with their own eyes in the former Yugoslavia – and from afar in Iraq – that the die has been set in Syria. It is only a matter of time now before a new chemical attack will be staged. Who could blame Assad for even carrying it out when he knows that any such attack carried out by rebels will be attributed to him regardless? Recent events in Syria have made my view much simpler and clearer, despite the war there being so complicated that it even confuses those on the ground. America will secure Raqqa and create a military base there and therefore take air superiority in at least part of Northern Syria. Israel’s proxy in the south – Al-Nusra – needs to keep a southern flank so as to buffer Assad from encroaching on the Golan Heights. It will not be apocalyptic, but more salami slice by salami slice as we see more focus each day on Assad forces and less and less on ISIL – which is to be an army in waiting spread nicely across a huge expanse of the country thanks to US strategy. History really is repeating itself. When I think of Assad and the West, I recall a cable sent to a senior US intelligence officer from his British counterpart in the 1960s who asked why Washington had installed Joseph Mobutu in Congo, in preference to the communist intellectual Patrice Lumumba, who the CIA had assassinated in 1961. His response to the naive Brit was, “Mobutu may be a son of a bitch, but he’s our son of a bitch.” This article was originally published at RT OpEdge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 11 18:09:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 18:09:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?FW=3A_U=2ES=2E_War_Crimes_Agains?= =?windows-1252?q?t_=93Muslims_of_Color=94_=7C_Black_Agenda_Report?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:59 PM To: Killeacle Subject: U.S. War Crimes Against “Muslims of Color” | Black Agenda Report https://www.blackagendareport.com/node/5916 The illegal U.S. presence in Syria is a “Nuremburg crime against peace,” said Dr. Francis Boyle, the renowned professor of international law at the University of Illinois, at Champaign. “It was Obama that started” the aggression against Syria,” said Boyle. “Trump’s just exacerbating it. This is really a clash of civilizations between diehard white Judea-Christian neo-con Zionists against Muslims of color, to destroy them and steal their oil and gas.” From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 11 18:09:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 18:09:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?windows-1252?q?FW=3A_U=2ES=2E_War_Crimes_Agains?= =?windows-1252?q?t_=93Muslims_of_Color=94_=7C_Black_Agenda_Report?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:59 PM To: Killeacle Subject: U.S. War Crimes Against “Muslims of Color” | Black Agenda Report https://www.blackagendareport.com/node/5916 The illegal U.S. presence in Syria is a “Nuremburg crime against peace,” said Dr. Francis Boyle, the renowned professor of international law at the University of Illinois, at Champaign. “It was Obama that started” the aggression against Syria,” said Boyle. “Trump’s just exacerbating it. This is really a clash of civilizations between diehard white Judea-Christian neo-con Zionists against Muslims of color, to destroy them and steal their oil and gas.” From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Tue Jul 11 18:35:41 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 13:35:41 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: W.H.O. Likely to Scrap Plan to Ship Cholera Vaccine to Yemen Message-ID: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/world/middleeast/world- health-organization-cholera-vaccine-yemen.html W.H.O. Likely to Scrap Plan to Ship Cholera Vaccine to Yemen By RICK GLADSTONE JULY 11, 2017 The World Health Organization said on Tuesday it was unlikely to attempt a cholera vaccination campaign in Yemen — which would reverse a decision made a month ago — because the disease’s rampant spread and the ravages of war there would make such an effort ineffective. Christian Lindmeier, a spokesman for the organization, told reporters that the doses of vaccine designated for shipment to Yemen would now probably be sent to other parts of the world where dangers from cholera lurk. A decision on the vaccines is not final, he said, but, “There is a likelihood they will not be used anymore in Yemen and therefore rerouted to other areas/countries who may need them more urgently right now.” Mr. Lindmeier’s disclosure, made at a regular news briefing at the United Nations headquarters complex in Geneva, was a surprise, and it came as the number of Yemenis afflicted with cholera reached 313,000 and the death toll from the disease exceeded 1,700. Diverting the cholera vaccine that was bound for Yemen would undo a decision made on June 15 by the health organization and some its important partners to send one million doses of the vaccine to the country. Aid groups say the outbreak, which began this spring, has been worsened by the collapse of the public health system in Yemen, where a civil war has raged for more than two years between a Saudi-led military coalition and Houthi insurgents backed by Iran, Saudi Arabia’s regional rival. The war has killed about 10,000 people and created the risk of a widespread famine in Yemen, the Arab world’s poorest country. Cholera, an infectious disease spread by water contaminated with human waste, can cause fatal dehydration if left untreated. A vaccination effort in Yemen, Mr. Lindmeier said, is a “difficult approach because you can’t plan a campaign like you would do in a normal country” where war and insecurity are absent. “You basically have to take the security situation into consideration,” he said in further explaining why the vaccination effort was no longer regarded as sensible. Medical workers are not even sure what parts of the country would benefit from it. With a vaccination campaign, he said, “you need to get ahead of the curve, ahead of an outbreak.” The combination of war, displacement, famine risk and cholera have made Yemen the world’s most acute humanitarian disaster. The World Health Organization’s new director general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus of Ethiopia, was scheduled to brief the United Nations Security Council on the situation in Yemen via a videoconference on Wednesday. === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> Amend NDAA to End U.S. Aid to Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com Wed Jul 12 10:23:52 2017 From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 05:23:52 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] RAPID RESPONSE needed Message-ID: Good morning, Everyone. Please call and spread the word: The U.S. House Rules Committee meets at 3 pm Eastern today to consider amendments to the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act). Please call and ask the Rules Committee members to approve the bipartisan Amash amendment (#227) to the NDAA, blocking funds used to transfer or authorize transfer of cluster munitions to Saudi Arabia. Pete Sessions, Chair (R-TX) (202) 225-2231 Tom Cole, Vice-Chair (R-OK) (202) 225-6165 Rob Woodall (R-GA) (202) 225-4272 Michael Burgess (R-TX) (202) 225-7772 Doug Collins (R-GA) (202) 225-9893 Bradley Byrne (R-AL) (202) 225-4931 Dan Newhouse (R-WA) (202) 225-5816 Ken Buck (R-CO) (202) 225-4676 Liz Cheney (R-WY) (202) 225-2311 Louise Slaughter, Ranking Minority Member (D-NY) (202) 225-3615 James McGovern (D-MA (202) 225-6101 Alcee Hastings (D-FL) (202) 225-1313 Jared Polis (D-CO) (202) 225-2161 Thanks, Deb From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 13:24:39 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:24:39 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A critique of US war crimes, that is not at all, too harsh. The "liberation" of Mosul: Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » The “liberation” of Mosul: Washington’s latest war crime in the Middle East 12 July 2017 President Donald Trump issued a statement on Monday celebrating the “liberation of Mosul” as a “victory over terrorists who are the enemies of all civilized people.” The fate of Iraq’s second-largest city and that of the country as a whole, however, has proven that when it comes to enemies of humanity, ISIS is a bit player compared to US imperialism. This city, which three years ago had a population of nearly two million, has been subjected to a murderous siege that dragged on for nearly nine months. The scenes of destruction in Mosul are comparable only to the kind of devastation that was wrought upon European cities in the Second World War. The Old Town of western Mosul, the heart of this ancient city, has been largely flattened by US missiles, bombs and shells, with hardly a single residential or commercial building left intact. The crimes carried out against the civilian population are on a Hitlerian scale. Close to one million people have been driven from their homes. Those trapped in the city were subjected to a continuous bombardment by US warplanes, attack helicopters and heavy artillery. Early on in the siege, the destruction of basic infrastructure and the cutting off of all supply routes deprived hundreds of thousands of men, women and children of electricity, clean drinking water and access to adequate food and medical care. The total number of dead and wounded may never be known. Buried in the reports of the victory celebrations by the US-backed Iraqi forces is the grim fact that these troops were dancing on rubble amid the unmistakable stench of rotting corpses. The monitoring group Airwars has documented the deaths of 5,805 civilians as a result of attacks launched by the US-led “coalition” between February and June of 2017. There is no doubt that this figure, which excludes casualties during the first four months of the siege as well as those resulting from the intense bombardment of the past three weeks, is a serious underestimate. Tens of thousands more have been wounded. Among those escaping from the besieged city, boys and men were treated as ISIS suspects, in many cases subjected to interrogation, brutal torture and summary execution, all under the approving eyes of American Special Forces “advisers.” Amnesty International issued a report Tuesday titled “At Any Price: The Civilian Catastrophe in West Mosul,” in which it recounted that civilians were subjected “to a terrifying barrage of fire from weapons that should never be used in densely populated civilian areas.” In Amnesty’s typically cautious fashion in dealing with the US government, the report stated that “US-led coalition forces appear to have committed repeated violations of international law, some of which may amount to war crimes.” The organization is calling for the convening of “independent and transparent investigations where there is credible information that violations of international humanitarian law have taken place,” in order to “prosecute those reasonably suspected of responsibility for war crimes.” While Amnesty indicts ISIS with far greater conviction than it does the US military, it raises no questions as to who is responsible for ISIS in the first place, much less the historical roots of the human catastrophe inflicted upon Mosul. When it swept across Iraq three years ago, seizing Mosul and roughly one-third of the country’s territory and exposing the rotten foundations of the US-trained Iraqi security forces, ISIS had been well-armed, funded and trained for use as a proxy force in the wars for regime change orchestrated by the CIA and Washington’s regional allies, first in Libya and then in Syria. The roots of the emergence of Al Qaeda-linked Sunni militias in Iraq, however, lie in the quarter-century of war, sanctions, invasion and occupation inflicted by US imperialism on the oil-rich country, resulting in the decimation of an entire society, the loss of well over a million lives, and the turning of millions more into homeless refugees. In pursuit of a divide-and-rule strategy, the US occupation stoked sectarian divisions in Iraq, with particularly bloody results in Mosul, with its broad intermingling of ethnic and religious groups. Subsequently, the Shia-dominated government installed in Baghdad persecuted the Sunni majority of Mosul and Anbar province, creating fertile soil for ISIS. The overriding source of the disasters that have befallen the people of Mosul, Iraq and the broader Middle East is the unprovoked war of aggression launched by the US in 2003 on the basis of lies about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. At the time, apologists for US imperialism promoted the war with the charge that “Saddam Hussein kills his own people.” The late Iraqi ruler, however, would be amazed at the scale of death and destruction Washington has been able to inflict upon his country over the course of the past 14 years. If the legal principles and criteria employed by the prosecutors at Nuremberg were applied today, there would be many in Washington facing life in prison, if not execution. These include George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the US administration that launched an unprovoked war of aggression, the main charge for which the surviving leaders of the Third Reich were tried. In addition, there is Barack Obama and the leading figures in his administration and military-intelligence apparatus. Elected largely on the basis of misplaced hope that he would put an end to US wars, Obama continued them in both Iraq and Afghanistan and expanded US interventions into Libya and Syria. It was under his administration that the siege of Mosul was launched. Finally, there are the criminals within the Trump administration, from the president to his defense secretary, Gen. James “Mad Dog” Mattis, who proclaimed a policy of “annihilation” in Iraq and Syria, to the generals and CIA chiefs who have implemented this policy of mass slaughter. Both major political parties, a media that has become a shameless instrument of war propaganda, the corporations and banks seeking to counter American capitalism’s decline by means of militarism and war, and every other major American institution are responsible for the war crimes in Mosul and those that have been carried out throughout Iraq and the rest of the region over the past decade-and-a-half. Complicit as well are the US academics who have maintained a discreet silence on the crimes and lies that pervade US policy, not to mention the various pseudo-left organizations that have enlisted themselves in support of imperialism under the disreputable banner of “human rights.” If action were taken on Amnesty’s proposal to “prosecute those reasonably suspected of responsibility for war crimes,” the defendants’ dock in Washington would be crowded indeed. Yet no one has been held accountable for these crimes. Settling accounts with Washington’s war criminals is the task of the American working class, united in struggle with the working people of Iraq, the rest of the Middle East and the entire planet. Under conditions in which escalating militarism in the Middle East and around the globe threaten to coalesce into another world war, the fight to build a new mass antiwar movement based on the working class and the youth and directed against the capitalist system assumes ever greater urgency. Bill Van Auken wows.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jul 12 13:29:23 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 13:29:23 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A critique of US war crimes, that is not at all, too harsh. The "liberation" of Mosul: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We had to destroy Mosul in order to save it. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Karen Aram via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 8:25 AM To: Peace-discuss List ; peace Subject: [Peace] A critique of US war crimes, that is not at all, too harsh. The "liberation" of Mosul: · Print · Leaflet · Feedback · Share » The “liberation” of Mosul: Washington’s latest war crime in the Middle East 12 July 2017 President Donald Trump issued a statement on Monday celebrating the “liberation of Mosul” as a “victory over terrorists who are the enemies of all civilized people.” The fate of Iraq’s second-largest city and that of the country as a whole, however, has proven that when it comes to enemies of humanity, ISIS is a bit player compared to US imperialism. This city, which three years ago had a population of nearly two million, has been subjected to a murderous siege that dragged on for nearly nine months. The scenes of destruction in Mosul are comparable only to the kind of devastation that was wrought upon European cities in the Second World War. The Old Town of western Mosul, the heart of this ancient city, has been largely flattened by US missiles, bombs and shells, with hardly a single residential or commercial building left intact. The crimes carried out against the civilian population are on a Hitlerian scale. Close to one million people have been driven from their homes. Those trapped in the city were subjected to a continuous bombardment by US warplanes, attack helicopters and heavy artillery. Early on in the siege, the destruction of basic infrastructure and the cutting off of all supply routes deprived hundreds of thousands of men, women and children of electricity, clean drinking water and access to adequate food and medical care. The total number of dead and wounded may never be known. Buried in the reports of the victory celebrations by the US-backed Iraqi forces is the grim fact that these troops were dancing on rubble amid the unmistakable stench of rotting corpses. The monitoring group Airwars has documented the deaths of 5,805 civilians as a result of attacks launched by the US-led “coalition” between February and June of 2017. There is no doubt that this figure, which excludes casualties during the first four months of the siege as well as those resulting from the intense bombardment of the past three weeks, is a serious underestimate. Tens of thousands more have been wounded. Among those escaping from the besieged city, boys and men were treated as ISIS suspects, in many cases subjected to interrogation, brutal torture and summary execution, all under the approving eyes of American Special Forces “advisers.” Amnesty International issued a report Tuesday titled “At Any Price: The Civilian Catastrophe in West Mosul,” in which it recounted that civilians were subjected “to a terrifying barrage of fire from weapons that should never be used in densely populated civilian areas.” In Amnesty’s typically cautious fashion in dealing with the US government, the report stated that “US-led coalition forces appear to have committed repeated violations of international law, some of which may amount to war crimes.” The organization is calling for the convening of “independent and transparent investigations where there is credible information that violations of international humanitarian law have taken place,” in order to “prosecute those reasonably suspected of responsibility for war crimes.” While Amnesty indicts ISIS with far greater conviction than it does the US military, it raises no questions as to who is responsible for ISIS in the first place, much less the historical roots of the human catastrophe inflicted upon Mosul. When it swept across Iraq three years ago, seizing Mosul and roughly one-third of the country’s territory and exposing the rotten foundations of the US-trained Iraqi security forces, ISIS had been well-armed, funded and trained for use as a proxy force in the wars for regime change orchestrated by the CIA and Washington’s regional allies, first in Libya and then in Syria. The roots of the emergence of Al Qaeda-linked Sunni militias in Iraq, however, lie in the quarter-century of war, sanctions, invasion and occupation inflicted by US imperialism on the oil-rich country, resulting in the decimation of an entire society, the loss of well over a million lives, and the turning of millions more into homeless refugees. In pursuit of a divide-and-rule strategy, the US occupation stoked sectarian divisions in Iraq, with particularly bloody results in Mosul, with its broad intermingling of ethnic and religious groups. Subsequently, the Shia-dominated government installed in Baghdad persecuted the Sunni majority of Mosul and Anbar province, creating fertile soil for ISIS. The overriding source of the disasters that have befallen the people of Mosul, Iraq and the broader Middle East is the unprovoked war of aggression launched by the US in 2003 on the basis of lies about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. At the time, apologists for US imperialism promoted the war with the charge that “Saddam Hussein kills his own people.” The late Iraqi ruler, however, would be amazed at the scale of death and destruction Washington has been able to inflict upon his country over the course of the past 14 years. If the legal principles and criteria employed by the prosecutors at Nuremberg were applied today, there would be many in Washington facing life in prison, if not execution. These include George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and the rest of the US administration that launched an unprovoked war of aggression, the main charge for which the surviving leaders of the Third Reich were tried. In addition, there is Barack Obama and the leading figures in his administration and military-intelligence apparatus. Elected largely on the basis of misplaced hope that he would put an end to US wars, Obama continued them in both Iraq and Afghanistan and expanded US interventions into Libya and Syria. It was under his administration that the siege of Mosul was launched. Finally, there are the criminals within the Trump administration, from the president to his defense secretary, Gen. James “Mad Dog” Mattis, who proclaimed a policy of “annihilation” in Iraq and Syria, to the generals and CIA chiefs who have implemented this policy of mass slaughter. Both major political parties, a media that has become a shameless instrument of war propaganda, the corporations and banks seeking to counter American capitalism’s decline by means of militarism and war, and every other major American institution are responsible for the war crimes in Mosul and those that have been carried out throughout Iraq and the rest of the region over the past decade-and-a-half. Complicit as well are the US academics who have maintained a discreet silence on the crimes and lies that pervade US policy, not to mention the various pseudo-left organizations that have enlisted themselves in support of imperialism under the disreputable banner of “human rights.” If action were taken on Amnesty’s proposal to “prosecute those reasonably suspected of responsibility for war crimes,” the defendants’ dock in Washington would be crowded indeed. Yet no one has been held accountable for these crimes. Settling accounts with Washington’s war criminals is the task of the American working class, united in struggle with the working people of Iraq, the rest of the Middle East and the entire planet. Under conditions in which escalating militarism in the Middle East and around the globe threaten to coalesce into another world war, the fight to build a new mass antiwar movement based on the working class and the youth and directed against the capitalist system assumes ever greater urgency. Bill Van Auken wows.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jul 12 22:50:42 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:50:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Mosul SOS Message-ID: Amnesty calls for special Mosul commission to probe potential war crimes by coalition & ISIS MosulSOS 86714 SSS 11 Jul 2017 | 04:33 GMT Amnesty calls for special Mosul commission to probe potential war crimes by coalition & ISIS Amnesty International has scolded the US-led coalition in Mosul for misplaced and excessive airstrikes, urging it to publicly admit its failure to protect civilian lives. The NGO is proposing to establish a commission to look into reported violations. Read more [© Alaa Al-Marjani]‘The liberation of Mosul has come at an incredibly high cost’ - Human Rights Watch In a new 50-page report published Tuesday, the human rights group sheds light on the scale of the loss of civilian life and suffering that the people of Mosul have had to endure during the offensive to recapture the city from Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS, ISIL) terrorists. At least 426 civilians died and over 100 were wounded by either terrorists or international coalition bombings result of 45 attacks spanning from January to mid-May, the group said in a summary of the report, titled: “At any cost: The civilian catastrophe in West Mosul.” The report draws on expert data and information provided by local residents. At least 105 of the victims died in a US airstrike on western Mosul’s al-Jadida district on March 17, which the coalition mounted “to neutralize two IS snipers,” the report said. The often disproportionate and imprecise use of deadly force by the international coalition fighting terrorists in Mosul has prompted major criticism from Amnesty. View image on Twitter [View image on Twitter] Follow [https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/875388705258831872/H4_uLagc_normal.jpg]RT ✔@RT_com ‘Trying to give civilians justice’: Artist captures brutality of #Mosul in poignant drawings https://on.rt.com/8hij 7:45 PM - 10 Jul 2017 * * 2525 Retweets * 3333 likes Twitter Ads info and privacy “Iraqi and coalition forces failed to take adequate measures to protect civilians, instead subjecting them to a terrifying barrage of fire from weapons that should never be used in densely populated civilian areas,”Lynn Maalouf, Director of Research for the Middle East at Amnesty International, said in a statement on Tuesday. Maalouf went on to note that some of the reported violations of international law by the coalition jets and Iraqi troops that used “imprecise, explosive weapons, killing thousands of civilians…may constitute [a] war crime.” Referring to an array of violations of international law, committed by IS, such as forceful displacements, indiscriminate mass killings and using civilians as human shields, Maalouf argued that the terrorist atrocities do not excuse the Iraqi and US military from their part of obligations under the law. Read more [Smoke rises from an air strike during fighting with Islamic State militants in the Old City of Mosul, Iraq July 6, 2017 © Ahmed Saad]Civilian death toll rises to over 600 in US-led coalition airstrikes against ISIS in Iraq & Syria “IS’s use of people as human shields does not lessen the legal obligation of pro-government forces to protect civilians. Military planners should have taken extra care in the manner in which they used their weapons to ensure that these attacks were not unlawful,” Maloof said. Speaking about the bombing of al-Jadida, she pointed out that many civilian deaths inflicted by the coalition was a consequence of a poor planning that or carelessness that led to “inappropriate” choice of weaponry or “failure to take necessary precautions to verify the target was a military objective.” To uncover the truth about the scale of the killings and those responsible for the loss civilian life, “an independent commission must immediately be established, tasked with ensuring that any instances where there is credible evidence that violations of international law took place, effective investigations are carried out, and the findings made public,” Maalouf said. In the meantime, the authorities of the states involved in the battle for Mosul must publicly acknowledge their responsibility for the heavy civilian death toll, she said, adding that Mosul citizens are entitled to know “that there will be justice and reparation so that the harrowing impact of this operation is duly addressed.” Amnesty International’s UK division cast doubt on the UK’s Ministry of Defense claims that its Air Force has not incurred any civilian casualties while conducting over 700 airstrikes in and around Mosul. READ MORE: Up to 20,000 Mosul civilians facing ‘extreme danger’ as battle against ISIS continues – UN official “The MoD’s claim that hundreds of RAF airstrikes in and around densely-populated Mosul have resulted in absolutely no civilian casualties is at best implausible,” Kate Allen, Amnesty International UK Director, said on Tuesday, describing the UK’s official military stance on the issue of civilian casualties as “wishful thinking.” Read more [© Alaa Al-Marjani]Iraqi PM congratulates military on ‘victory’ over ISIS in Mosul She urged the British military to abide the law and embark on a thorough investigation into the potential loss of civilian life “instead of repeating its mantra about having ‘no evidence’ of civilian casualties.” The scathing report and the recommendations to be introduced come in the wake of Iraqi Prime Minister Minister Haider al-Abadi’s arrival in Mosul on Sunday to congratulate the troops there with a “great victory” over the ISIS militants. While Iraqi forces continue to clear out pockets in the western part of the city where small groups of jihadists are holing up, the Iraqi government expects the liberation to be a matter of time. In the course of the lingering offensive to take the city from terrorists, launched in October last year, over 8,000 civilians are estimated by the United Nations to have been killed or wounded. Around 915,000 people have been displaced with the majority unable to return any time soon as their homes were completely destroyed or severely damaged. It is estimated that 16 out of 44 Mosul’s residential districts sustained heavy damage and 22 were moderately damaged. ‘ISIS seized my home’ Mosul resident Abu Akhmad, a jeweler, told RT Arabic how IS put civilians in extreme peril. Akhmad said that as soon as IS militants put down roots in the city, they confiscated his home and used his and other civilians’ families as human shields. “Imagine, they come to you and tell you: “You, give us your car!” And you have to give it to them. Not to mention women and everything else. There were about nine to eleven terrorists there. They would enter houses, come and go,” Akhmad told RT, adding the majority of those who would engage in violence toward civilians appeared to be foreign fighters. “Sometimes Iraqi ISIS fighters also came. But they did not touch us. Lately, only ISIS fighters from foreign countries talked to us.” Akhmad said that his house was part of a network of tunnels used by jihadists to escape Iraqi forces on the ground. As a result, his house was severely damaged and he is now trying to repair it. “They ordered us to leave all the doors open. They also made three gaps in the walls... I did them all up. Imagine such a big house. 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But if you want you can call Rodney Davis right now and ask him to support the Davidson amendment to prohibit US military action in Yemen that has not been authorized by Congress. *202-225-2371* Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Amend NDAA to End U.S. Aid to Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjornsona at ameritech.net Thu Jul 13 15:09:24 2017 From: bjornsona at ameritech.net (bjornsona at ameritech.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 10:09:24 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi war in Yemen Message-ID: I called Rep. Robot Davis' Champaign office at 10:05 a.m. Got the Republican answering machine treatment. Left a message. Thank you for the heads up. Anne Bjornson Parkinson. (Sick of corporate & government wars) Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ------ Original message------From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discussDate: Thu, Jul 13, 2017 9:42 AMTo: Peace Discuss;Cc: Subject:[Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi war in Yemen Voting on NDAA amendments is expected to start around 1:30. Best chance for Rodney Davis yes is Davidson R-OH amendment prohibiting any US military action in Yemen outside the scope of 2001 AUMF. This would prohibit the US refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen.  Our alert is forthcoming. But if you want you can call Rodney Davis right now and ask him to support the Davidson amendment to prohibit US military action in Yemen that has not been authorized by Congress.  202-225-2371 Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Amend NDAA to End U.S. Aid to Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjornsona at ameritech.net Thu Jul 13 15:09:24 2017 From: bjornsona at ameritech.net (bjornsona at ameritech.net) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 10:09:24 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi war in Yemen Message-ID: I called Rep. Robot Davis' Champaign office at 10:05 a.m. Got the Republican answering machine treatment. Left a message. Thank you for the heads up. Anne Bjornson Parkinson. (Sick of corporate & government wars) Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ------ Original message------From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discussDate: Thu, Jul 13, 2017 9:42 AMTo: Peace Discuss;Cc: Subject:[Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi war in Yemen Voting on NDAA amendments is expected to start around 1:30. Best chance for Rodney Davis yes is Davidson R-OH amendment prohibiting any US military action in Yemen outside the scope of 2001 AUMF. This would prohibit the US refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen.  Our alert is forthcoming. But if you want you can call Rodney Davis right now and ask him to support the Davidson amendment to prohibit US military action in Yemen that has not been authorized by Congress.  202-225-2371 Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Amend NDAA to End U.S. Aid to Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:03:54 2017 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 11:03:54 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi war in Yemen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got an answ. mach. at the Champaign office too, but reached a live person at the DC office: 202-225-2371. On 7/13/17 10:09 AM, bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss wrote: > I called Rep. Robot Davis' Champaign office at 10:05 a.m. Got the > Republican answering machine treatment. Left a message. Thank you for > the heads up. Anne Bjornson Parkinson. (Sick of corporate & government > wars) > > /Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone/ > > ------ Original message------ > *From: *Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss > *Date: *Thu, Jul 13, 2017 9:42 AM > *To: *Peace Discuss; > *Cc: * > *Subject:*[Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi wa r > in Yemen > > Voting on NDAA amendments is expected to start around 1:30. > > Best chance for Rodney Davis yes is Davidson R-OH amendment > prohibiting any US military action in Yemen outside the scope of 2001 > AUMF. This would prohibit the US refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing > Yemen. > > Our alert is forthcoming. But if you want you can call Rodney Davis > right now and ask him to support the Davidson amendment to prohibit US > military action in Yemen that has not been authorized by Congress. > > *202-225-2371 > * > > Robert Naiman > Po licy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > Amend NDAA to End U.S. Aid to Saudi War in Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Sick of corporate & government > wars) > > /Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone/ > > ------ Original message------ > *From: *Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss > *Date: *Thu, Jul 13, 2017 9:42 AM > *To: *Peace Discuss; > *Cc: * > *Subject:*[Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi wa r > in Yemen > > Voting on NDAA amendments is expected to start around 1:30. > > Best chance for Rodney Davis yes is Davidson R-OH amendment > prohibiting any US military action in Yemen outside the scope of 2001 > AUMF. This would prohibit the US refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing > Yemen. > > Our alert is forthcoming. But if you want you can call Rodney Davis > right now and ask him to support the Davidson amendment to prohibit US > military action in Yemen that has not been authorized by Congress. > > *202-225-2371 > * > > Robert Naiman > Po licy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > Amend NDAA to End U.S. Aid to Saudi War in Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:10:04 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:10:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi war in Yemen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Same here, so calling the DC office of Rodney Davis as suggested by Stuart is probably the best way to make your views known. On Jul 13, 2017, at 09:03, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: I got an answ. mach. at the Champaign office too, but reached a live person at the DC office: 202-225-2371. On 7/13/17 10:09 AM, bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss wrote: I called Rep. Robot Davis' Champaign office at 10:05 a.m. Got the Republican answering machine treatment. Left a message. Thank you for the heads up. Anne Bjornson Parkinson. (Sick of corporate & government wars) Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ------ Original message------ From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss Date: Thu, Jul 13, 2017 9:42 AM To: Peace Discuss; Cc: Subject:[Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi wa r in Yemen Voting on NDAA amendments is expected to start around 1:30. Best chance for Rodney Davis yes is Davidson R-OH amendment prohibiting any US military action in Yemen outside the scope of 2001 AUMF. This would prohibit the US refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen. Our alert is forthcoming. But if you want you can call Rodney Davis right now and ask him to support the Davidson amendment to prohibit US military action in Yemen that has not been authorized by Congress. 202-225-2371 Robert Naiman Po licy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Amend NDAA to End U.S. Aid to Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jul 13 16:10:04 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:10:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi war in Yemen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Same here, so calling the DC office of Rodney Davis as suggested by Stuart is probably the best way to make your views known. On Jul 13, 2017, at 09:03, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: I got an answ. mach. at the Champaign office too, but reached a live person at the DC office: 202-225-2371. On 7/13/17 10:09 AM, bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss wrote: I called Rep. Robot Davis' Champaign office at 10:05 a.m. Got the Republican answering machine treatment. Left a message. Thank you for the heads up. Anne Bjornson Parkinson. (Sick of corporate & government wars) Sent from my LG Phoenix 2, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ------ Original message------ From: Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss Date: Thu, Jul 13, 2017 9:42 AM To: Peace Discuss; Cc: Subject:[Peace-discuss] the House is voting today on the Saudi wa r in Yemen Voting on NDAA amendments is expected to start around 1:30. Best chance for Rodney Davis yes is Davidson R-OH amendment prohibiting any US military action in Yemen outside the scope of 2001 AUMF. This would prohibit the US refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen. Our alert is forthcoming. But if you want you can call Rodney Davis right now and ask him to support the Davidson amendment to prohibit US military action in Yemen that has not been authorized by Congress. 202-225-2371 Robert Naiman Po licy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Amend NDAA to End U.S. Aid to Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/to-stop-cholera-famine?r_by=1135580 _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 13 16:44:37 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chase Madar review of Risk References: <1841509950.4364744.1499964277184.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1841509950.4364744.1499964277184@mail.yahoo.com> The full text, formerly behind a paywall, has been posted in the comments section by Louis Proyect: https://louisproyect.org/2017/07/10/risk/#comment-334562 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net Fri Jul 14 00:13:47 2017 From: davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:13:47 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Health Care in America: Where is the Socialist Solution? Message-ID: <00c801d2fc36$12bb8b40$3832a1c0$@comcast.net> July 13, 2017 Health Care in America: Where is the Socialist Solution? by Ajamu Baraka * * Description: https://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/dropzone /2017/07/Screen-Shot-2017-07-12-at-9.31.25-PM.png The introduction of the Republican legislation to "repeal and replace" Obamacare is no more than latest scrimmage in the ongoing one-sided war against the poor and working class. The "Affordable Care Act" (ACA, better known as Obamacare) proved to be both unaffordable and unable to provide comprehensive care for millions. Nevertheless, with the ACA being one of the only tangible "victories" Democrats could claim for an administration with a dismal record of noteworthy accomplishments, neoliberal Democrats and the party's liberal base led by Bernie Sanders are now coalesced around the ACA and have vowed to defend it to the bitter end. Yet, camouflaged by the hot rhetoric of confrontation and the diversionary struggle of the duopoly, the common agenda and objective interests being protected in this healthcare battle are quite clear. No matter what version of the healthcare bill passes or if the ACA remains in place, it will be a win for the market-based, for-profit beneficiaries of the U.S. system. As long as healthcare remains privatized, the real winners of healthcare reform will continue to be the insurance companies, hospital corporations and pharmaceutical and medical device companies. That commitment to the interests of the insurance/medical complex ensures that the interests of healthcare consumers, the uninsured, the elderly and the sick will continue to be sacrificed to maintain a healthcare delivery system in which thousands suffer premature deaths from inadequate preventative treatment, millions are unable to afford coverage and millions who have private insurance fear using it because of prohibitive co-pays and deductibles. That is why during the current debate the insurance companies have been largely silent. There is no need to engage in public debate because having largely written the ACA they are again deeply involved in the construction of the current legislation. Their interests will be protected even if it means forcing Republicans to embrace policies that are at odds with their professed philosophies - like including government subsidies for low-income people to purchase insurance. In fact, the only comments from insurance companies in this debate were related to their supposed concern that the Senate bill might not provide enough assistance to those who need help to pay for healthcare. They want what is being called a "stabilization fund" to reduce the numbers of people who might opt out of coverage because they can't afford it. The Senate bill provides those funds, but they are temporary and are scheduled to end after 2019. Which means that people will be forced to make an unpalatable decision after that - purchasing insurance with higher out-of-pocket costs like $10,000 deductibles or electing to go without insurance altogether. If history is a guide, many will opt out. In fact, the Congressional Budget Office predicts that the current bill will push 22 million people back into the ranks of the uninsured with the potential loss of millions of customers and potential profits for healthcare corporations. But the companies have a plan should those funds prove inadequate to hold substantial numbers in the system: Increase individual premiums by at least 20 percent more than the double-digit increases already under consideration. Coming to the aid of the Insurance/Medical complex: Ted Cruz and the Consumer Freedom Amendment Insurers need large numbers of healthy people on the rolls, as their premiums help defray the cost of care for those who are sick. Because insurance companies are for-profit operations they set rates based on the risk pool in a market. With the potential loss of customers if the government does not provide adequate long-term subsidies, middle-class consumers who earn too much to qualify for temporary premium assistance will bear the brunt of any premium increases. The Cruz amendment to the legislation has a solution to the possible increase in premiums and healthcare costs in general. The so-called "Consumer Freedom Amendment" represents the typical extreme individualism and anti-social sentiments of the right wing. It essentially advocates for reducing the burden on healthy consumers paying into system to help cover higher-risk fellow citizens. The Washington Post's analysis of the Cruz amendment suggests: "Under Senator Cruz's plan, insurers could sell cheaper, stripped-down plans free of Obamacare coverage requirements like essential health benefits or even a guarantee of coverage. These sparser plans would appeal to the healthiest Americans, who would gladly exchange fewer benefits for lower monthly premiums. But insurers would also have to sell one ACA-compliant plan. The sickest patients would flock to these more expansive and expensive plans because they need more care and medications covered on a day-to-day basis. As a result, premiums for people with expensive and serious medical conditions like diabetes or cancer would skyrocket because all those with such serious conditions would be pooled together." And how would the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions pay for the increased premiums that they would face under the current Senate bill and Cruz's amendment? "The $100 billion stabilization fund for states could help cover costs for the resulting pricier coverage for those with preexisting conditions under this amendment." In an ironic twist that both exposes the class interests of this initiative and its hypocritical approach to the question of the role of the government, Cruz's amendment affirms that role in the form of subsidies for the sickest citizens and calls for an expansion of government resources to cover them. The Cruz plan would segment the insurance market into healthier and higher-risk segments. High risk individuals along with the already-sick and the elderly would be pushed out of the market because those premiums would soar even with state subsidies, since insurance companies would still set premium rates to maximize profits. Given the lose-lose options for consumers now being debated in Congress, the only rational objective for the majority of the people in the U.S. is to move toward the complete elimination of the for-profit healthcare system. Socialization of Healthcare: The Only Solution The ideological and political opposition to state-provided healthcare is reflected in the ACA and the various repeal-and-replace scenarios. Through mandates, coercion and the transfer of public funds to the insurance industry, the ACA delivered millions of customers to the private sector in what was probably the biggest insurance shams in the history of private capital. And that gift to the insurance companies is only one part of the story. The public monies transferred to the private sector amounted to subsidies for healthcare providers, hospital chains, group physician practices, drug companies and medical device companies and labs as well. The Republican alternatives to the ACA variably supplement the corporate handouts with more taxpayer-funded giveaways. And once the private sector gains access to billions of dollars provided by the state, they and their elected water-carriers fiercely resist any efforts to roll those subsidies back. The subsidies coupled with the mergers and acquisitions of hospital corporations and insurance providers over last few years and a general trend toward consolidation of healthcare services in fewer and fewer hands underscored the iron logic of centralization and concentration of capital represented by the ACA and was a welcome development for the biggest players in the healthcare sector. The movement toward a monopolization of the American health-care market means that rather than the reduction in healthcare costs that is supposed to be the result of repeal and replace, the public can instead expect those costs to escalate. Many on the left have called for a single-payer system similar to those that work well (if not perfectly) in Britain, the Netherlands, Finland and elsewhere in Europe. But even with an "improved Medicare for all" single-payer system, costs will continue to increase in the U.S. because they cannot be completely controlled when all of the linkages in the healthcare system are still firmly in the hands of private capital. The only way to control the cost of healthcare and provide universal coverage is to eliminate for-profit, market-based healthcare. Take insurance companies completely out of the mix and bring medical device companies, the pharmaceuticals companies and hospitals chains under public control. The ideological implications of the Cruz amendment are that it reflects a growing public perception both domestically and internationally that healthcare should be viewed as a human right. Putting people at the center instead of profit results in healthcare systems that can realize healthcare as a human right. This is the lesson of Cuba where the United Nations World Health Organization declared that Cuba's health care system was an example for all countries of the world. That is the socialist option, the only option that makes sense and the one that eventually will prevail when the people are ready to fight for it. More articles by: Ajamu Baraka Ajamu Baraka is the national organizer of the Black Alliance for Peace and was the 2016 candidate for vice president on the Green Party ticket. He is an editor and contributing columnist for the Black Agenda Report and contributing columnist for Counterpunch magazine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 113590 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Fri Jul 14 01:22:37 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 01:22:37 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Articles of interest In-Reply-To: <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5627084E-F6A2-49EC-81E0-9345D130D91C@illinois.edu> Why are you advertising these articles? They seem to have little “meat” and many unconvincing slurs. But yes, it is sort of a policing of the ideological boundaries. Assange still gets my sympathy and respect. Poitras less so. I’m not sure what Johnstone wants to promote, and is it all to be condemned? On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:48 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: Policing the boundaries of "left" and "right": https://louisproyect.org/2017/07/10/risk/#comment-334525 https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/11/the-green-party-marks-in-a-media-con-job/ _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jul 14 01:39:03 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 01:39:03 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Articles of interest In-Reply-To: <5627084E-F6A2-49EC-81E0-9345D130D91C@illinois.edu> References: <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183@mail.yahoo.com> <5627084E-F6A2-49EC-81E0-9345D130D91C@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Mort I agree with your assessment of Assange, and Poitras. I’m not sure about Johnstone either. I enjoyed reading Proyet, given I hold him in total disdain, and have been having interesting discussions with David in reference to the article, etc. I also appreciated the article by Counterpunch in relation to Johnstone, whom Carl often quotes, and the critique of her suggestions. So though I often wonder why people post articles that are irritating and that which I don’t agree, they can be informative to some like myself. Opinionated, but still relatively new to who and what. On Jul 13, 2017, at 18:22, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: Why are you advertising these articles? They seem to have little “meat” and many unconvincing slurs. But yes, it is sort of a policing of the ideological boundaries. Assange still gets my sympathy and respect. Poitras less so. I’m not sure what Johnstone wants to promote, and is it all to be condemned? On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:48 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: Policing the boundaries of "left" and "right": https://louisproyect.org/2017/07/10/risk/#comment-334525 https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/11/the-green-party-marks-in-a-media-con-job/ _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 14 01:52:38 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 01:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Articles of interest References: <1364991784.77834.1499997158085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1364991784.77834.1499997158085@mail.yahoo.com> Mort, Perhaps a personal obsession regarding Proyect's disdain for what he calls the "anti-imperial left", but also addressing the larger theme of how the "left" deals with the "right" in the Trump era. It also has to do with how "progressive" media have taken sides on both the Syria issue and the Assange issue. Amy Goodman did host an honest debate a few weeks ago between Assange and Alan Nairn regarding Assange's alleged favoritism towards Trump. But given the feminist implications of Poitras's film, and Goodman's regard for Poitras in relation to Snowden, it will be interesting to see if she will passively "no-platform" Assange in the future. I would be surprised to see him back, and that seems like a telling point and a sign of the times if it's true. Anyway, this split is somewhat reflected in the different approaches of Democracy Now and The Real News towards Syria; Aaron Mate has fled from the former to the latter, and is interviewing Max Blumenthal on a regular basis about Syria, and they have been openly critical of DN. Blumenthal and Ben Norton, excellent journalists in my view, are regularly and viciously attacked by Proyect. DG On Thu Jul 13 2017 20:22:51 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Brussel, Morton K wrote: Why are you advertising these articles? They seem to have little “meat” and many unconvincing slurs. But yes, it is sort of a policing of the ideological boundaries. Assange still gets my sympathy and respect. Poitras less so. I’m not sure what Johnstone wants to promote, and is it all to be condemned? On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:48 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: Policing the boundaries of "left" and "right": https://louisproyect.org/2017/07/10/risk/#comment-334525 https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/11/the-green-party-marks-in-a-media-con-job/ _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 01:53:15 2017 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 20:53:15 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Articles of interest In-Reply-To: <5627084E-F6A2-49EC-81E0-9345D130D91C@illinois.edu> References: <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183@mail.yahoo.com> <5627084E-F6A2-49EC-81E0-9345D130D91C@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <496B988E-2290-464B-AFB4-E536AFF32A9A@illinois.edu> Mort— There’s a real and surprising dispute involving some serious left journalists, notably Jefferey St. Clair of CounterPunch. (And his colleague Eric Draitser.) I agree with you about Assange, whatever his flaws. (And Poitras.) A recent exchange w/ St. Clair re Johnstone - Caitlin (b. 1975?), not Diana (b. 1934): ================== [1] On Jul 12, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Jeffrey— You know I was once (long ago) a Green party candidate for Congress here on the prairie, and I voted for Jill Stein, who's been our house guest... But I’ve never been a fan of David Cobb and his kowtowing to the Democrats, in 2004 or 2016. Nevertheless I think Cobb is right about Caitlin Johnstone, and Yoav Litvin is wrong… [2] On Jul 12, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Jeffrey St Clair > wrote: I can’t read Johnstone’s stuff. It’s everything I hate about Left polemics—humorless, high-decibel conspiratorialism. It’s so lacking in curiosity I don't even think Sputnik would run it. The Green Party died for the 3rd time when Stein brought Cobb back in the fold in September. And they haven’t been resurrected once, but they sure did raise a lot of money. He’s good at that…. J [3] On Jul 12, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: I agree entirely about Stein/Cobb, but not about Johnstone. For one thing, she’s quite funny - far from humorless - in a rude, (I hesitate to say) millennial way. (Cf. my daughter’s TV show, 'Casual,’ on Hulu.) And on the 'red-brown alliance’ talk, the sooner we abandon the floating signifiers (sorry) of ‘left' and 'right', the better. Strangely, they’re being kept alive by an alliance of M-L remnants, from tankies to Trots, with media village explainers... As descriptors in the neoliberal era, even ‘economic nationalist’ vs. 'corporate globalist’ is better. —CGE ==================== Regards, CGE > On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Why are you advertising these articles? They seem to have little “meat” and many unconvincing slurs. But yes, it is sort of a policing of the ideological boundaries. > > Assange still gets my sympathy and respect. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jul 14 02:02:14 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 02:02:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] THE NEW SILK ROAD WILL GO THROUGH SYRIA. Message-ID: I’m not a fan of the Asia Times, but every now and then an article by Pepe makes it worthwhile. [Road to Aleppo: The Chinese don't forget that Syria controlled overland access to both Europe and Africa in ancient Silk Road times. Syrian forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad monitor traffic on the road to Aleppo in Syria on July 10, 2017. Photo: Reuters/Omar Sanadiki.] Road to Aleppo: The Chinese don't forget that Syria controlled overland access to both Europe and Africa in ancient Silk Road times. Syrian forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad monitor traffic on the road to Aleppo in Syria on July 10, 2017. Photo: Reuters/Omar Sanadiki. MIDDLE EASTSYRIA The New Silk Road will go through Syria China and Syria have already begun discussing post-war infrastructure investment; with a 'Matchmaking Fair for Syria Reconstruction' held in Beijing By PEPE ESCOBAR JULY 13, 2017 7:12 PM (UTC+8) * * * * * * 282 * 11 Amid the proverbial doom and gloom pervading all things Syria, the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune sometimes yield, well, good fortune. Take what happened this past Sunday in Beijing. The China-Arab Exchange Association and the Syrian Embassy organized a Syria Day Expo crammed with hundreds of Chinese specialists in infrastructure investment. It was a sort of mini-gathering of the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB), billed as “The First Project Matchmaking Fair for Syria Reconstruction”. THE DAILYBrief Must-reads from across Asia - directly to your inbox And there will be serious follow-ups: a Syria Reconstruction Expo; the 59th Damascus International Fair next month, where around 30 Arab and foreign nations will be represented; and the China-Arab States Expo in Yinchuan, Ningxia Hui province, in September. Qin Yong, deputy chairman of the China-Arab Exchange Association, announced that Beijing plans to invest $2 billion in an industrial park in Syria for 150 Chinese companies. Nothing would make more sense. Before the tragic Syrian proxy war, Syrian merchants were already incredibly active in the small-goods Silk Road between Yiwu and the Levant. The Chinese don’t forget that Syria controlled overland access to both Europe and Africa in ancient Silk Road times when, after the desert crossing via Palmyra, goods reached the Mediterranean on their way to Rome. After the demise of Palmyra, a secondary road followed the Euphrates upstream and then through Aleppo and Antioch. Beijing always plans years ahead. And the government in Damascus is implicated at the highest levels. So, it’s not an accident that Syrian Ambassador to China Imad Moustapha had to come up with the clincher: China, Russia and Iran will have priority over anyone else for all infrastructure investment and reconstruction projects when the war is over. The New Silk Roads, or One Belt, One Road Initiative (Obor), will inevitably feature a Syrian hub – complete with the requisite legal support for Chinese companies involved in investment, construction and banking via a special commission created by the Syrian embassy, the China-Arab Exchange Association and the Beijing-based Shijing law firm. Get me on that Shanghai-Latakia cargo Few remember that before the war China had already invested tens of billions of US dollars in Syria’s oil and gas industry. Naturally the priority for Damascus, once the war is over, will be massive reconstruction of widely destroyed infrastructure. China could be part of that via the AIIB. Then comes investment in agriculture, industry and connectivity – transportation corridors in the Levant and connecting Syria to Iraq and Iran (other two Obor hubs). What matters most of all is that Beijing has already taken the crucial step of being directly involved in the final settlement of the Syrian war – geopolitically and geo-economically. Beijing has had a special representative for Syria since last year – and has already been providing humanitarian aid. Needless to add, all those elaborate plans depend on no more war. And there’s the rub. With the demise of Daesh (ISIS), or at least its imminent loss of any significant urban center, no one knows in what manner a fragmented, phony Caliphate “Sunnistan” might be manipulated into cutting Syria from its New Silk Road future. Qatar has already provided a game-changer; Doha has gotten closer to Tehran (common interests in South Pars/North Dome gas-field oblige), as well as Damascus – much to the despair of the House of Saud. So, unlike the recent past, Qatar is not engaged in regime change anymore. But still there are the diverging interests of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel and, of course, Washington, to accommodate. A possible scenario out of what Putin and Trump negotiated in Hamburg – that was not relayed by either Lavrov or Tillerson – is that the ceasefire in southwestern Syria, assuming it holds, could mean US peacekeeping forces in effect sanctioning the creation of a demilitarized zone (DMZ) between the Syrian Golan and the rest of the country. Translation: the Golan de facto annexed by Israel. And the “carrot” for Moscow would be Washington accepting Crimea de facto re-incorporated into the Russian Federation. That may sound less far-fetched than it seems. The next few months will tell if this is indeed a plausible scenario. The other big sticking point is Ankara against the YPG Kurds. Contrary to the ominous and quite possible Balkanization scenario, Washington and Moscow might well decide, in tandem, to let them sort things out by themselves. Then we will inevitably have the Turkish army occupying al-Bab for the foreseeable future. The bottom line: that Saudi Arabia gets nothing. And Israel and Turkey get political/military “wins”. It’s hard to imagine how Moscow could possibly sell this arrangement to Iran as a victory. Still, Tehran may not have a free flow Iran-Iraq-Syria-Hezbollah route totally back in action, but it will maintain close relations with Damascus and be engaged in the expansion of the New Silk Roads. The key question from now on seems to be whether Washington will follow the deep state “Syraq” policy – as in “Assad must go” mixed with support or weaponizing of non-existent “moderate rebels”; or whether Trump’s priority – to eliminate Daesh/ISIS for good – will prevail. Beijing, anyway, has made up its mind. It will work non-stop for the Iran-Iraq-Syria triumvirate to become a key hub in Obor. Any bets against a future, booming Shanghai-Latakia container route? * * * * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 02:31:33 2017 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:31:33 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Articles of interest In-Reply-To: <1364991784.77834.1499997158085@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1364991784.77834.1499997158085.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1364991784.77834.1499997158085@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <282A76B1-FADF-4E6B-8178-BEF720068951@illinois.edu> On Mort’s question, "I’m not sure what Johnstone wants to promote, and is it all to be condemned?”: she wants to promote inter alia condign contempt for 'Russiagate,’ and her fulminations are by no means all to be condemned. Russiagate as it grows approaches the significance of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion - or at least the Zimmerman telegram... Laying bare that fable is worthwhile work, and Johnstone is to be congratulated for it. Astonishingly, CounterPunch editor Joshua Frank, who’s written well on David Cobb (Cobb was a major reason I left the Green party over a decade ago), writes "So why is Cobb, and many others, so ga-ga over Johnstone? Could it be that she echoes Kremlin talking points [sic] and bogus conspiracies every chance she gets, exciting leftists looking for easy answers to today’s complex problems? Ding Ding. Of course, there’s much, much more. Despite the overwhelming evidence [?] that DNC staffer Seth Rich wasn’t murdered for releasing emails, Johnstone has stood her conspiratorial ground. She’s also written for 9/11 Truth sites, so one can assume she is at the very least sympathetic to their fruitless cause. That’s about all I can take of this self-proclaimed 'rouge journalist'. She’s not worth the energy…” (But he manages two more paragraphs, two reprints, a ‘bullshit’ and one more ‘fucking’…) So why are soi-disant leftists acting like the Kilkenny cats? You won’t be surprised to hear that I think it's the familiar spirit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familiar_spirit) of contemporary US liberalism, identity politics. The neuralgic question is what counts as ‘left’ - class politics or ‘intersectioanlity’? —CGE > On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:52 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Mort, > > Perhaps a personal obsession regarding Proyect's disdain for what he calls the "anti-imperial left", but also addressing the larger theme of how the "left" deals with the "right" in the Trump era. It also has to do with how "progressive" media have taken sides on both the Syria issue and the Assange issue. Amy Goodman did host an honest debate a few weeks ago between Assange and Alan Nairn regarding Assange's alleged favoritism towards Trump. But given the feminist implications of Poitras's film, and Goodman's regard for Poitras in relation to Snowden, it will be interesting to see if she will passively "no-platform" Assange in the future. I would be surprised to see him back, and that seems like a telling point and a sign of the times if it's true. > > Anyway, this split is somewhat reflected in the different approaches of Democracy Now and The Real News towards Syria; Aaron Mate has fled from the former to the latter, and is interviewing Max Blumenthal on a regular basis about Syria, and they have been openly critical of DN. Blumenthal and Ben Norton, excellent journalists in my view, are regularly and viciously attacked by Proyect. > > DG > > > On Thu Jul 13 2017 20:22:51 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > > Why are you advertising these articles? They seem to have little “meat” and many unconvincing slurs. But yes, it is sort of a policing of the ideological boundaries. > > Assange still gets my sympathy and respect. Poitras less so. > I’m not sure what Johnstone wants to promote, and is it all to be condemned? > > >> On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:48 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Policing the boundaries of "left" and "right": >> >> https://louisproyect.org/2017/07/10/risk/#comment-334525 >> >> >> https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/11/the-green-party-marks-in-a-media-con-job/ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jul 14 12:08:40 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:08:40 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Yemen, the worse humanitarian crisis, comprehensive explanation by Ben Norton. 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Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: Mort— There’s a real and surprising dispute involving some serious left journalists, notably Jefferey St. Clair of CounterPunch. (And his colleague Eric Draitser.) I agree with you about Assange, whatever his flaws. (And Poitras.) A recent exchange w/ St. Clair re Johnstone - Caitlin (b. 1975?), not Diana (b. 1934): ================== [1] On Jul 12, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Jeffrey— You know I was once (long ago) a Green party candidate for Congress here on the prairie, and I voted for Jill Stein, who's been our house guest... But I’ve never been a fan of David Cobb and his kowtowing to the Democrats, in 2004 or 2016. Nevertheless I think Cobb is right about Caitlin Johnstone, and Yoav Litvin is wrong… [2] On Jul 12, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Jeffrey St Clair > wrote: I can’t read Johnstone’s stuff. It’s everything I hate about Left polemics—humorless, high-decibel conspiratorialism. It’s so lacking in curiosity I don't even think Sputnik would run it. The Green Party died for the 3rd time when Stein brought Cobb back in the fold in September. And they haven’t been resurrected once, but they sure did raise a lot of money. He’s good at that…. J [3] On Jul 12, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: I agree entirely about Stein/Cobb, but not about Johnstone. For one thing, she’s quite funny - far from humorless - in a rude, (I hesitate to say) millennial way. (Cf. my daughter’s TV show, 'Casual,’ on Hulu.) And on the 'red-brown alliance’ talk, the sooner we abandon the floating signifiers (sorry) of ‘left' and 'right', the better. Strangely, they’re being kept alive by an alliance of M-L remnants, from tankies to Trots, with media village explainers... As descriptors in the neoliberal era, even ‘economic nationalist’ vs. 'corporate globalist’ is better. —CGE ==================== Regards, CGE On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: Why are you advertising these articles? They seem to have little “meat” and many unconvincing slurs. But yes, it is sort of a policing of the ideological boundaries. Assange still gets my sympathy and respect. Poitras less so. I’m not sure what Johnstone wants to promote, and is it all to be condemned? 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URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Fri Jul 14 12:25:52 2017 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 07:25:52 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Articles of interest In-Reply-To: References: <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183@mail.yahoo.com> <5627084E-F6A2-49EC-81E0-9345D130D91C@illinois.edu> <496B988E-2290-464B-AFB4-E536AFF32A9A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: There’s not a dispute between Jeffrey & Eric. They agree on David Cobb, & I think they're right. They also agree in condemning Caitlin Johnstone for "high-decibel conspiratorialism,” & I think they’re wrong. —CGE > On Jul 14, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Carl > > Where can I find info. relating to the dispute between Jeffrey and Eric. I liked Eric’s podcast interviews at one time, but after reading some of his statements on FB quit. > >> On Jul 13, 2017, at 18:53, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> Mort— >> >> There’s a real and surprising dispute involving some serious left journalists, notably Jefferey St. Clair of CounterPunch. (And his colleague Eric Draitser.) >> >> I agree with you about Assange, whatever his flaws. (And Poitras.) >> >> A recent exchange w/ St. Clair re Johnstone - Caitlin (b. 1975?), not Diana (b. 1934): >> >> ================== >> [1] On Jul 12, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> Jeffrey— >> You know I was once (long ago) a Green party candidate for Congress here on the prairie, and I voted for Jill Stein, who's been our house guest... >> But I’ve never been a fan of David Cobb and his kowtowing to the Democrats, in 2004 or 2016. >> Nevertheless I think Cobb is right about Caitlin Johnstone, and Yoav Litvin is wrong… >> >> [2] On Jul 12, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Jeffrey St Clair > wrote: >> I can’t read Johnstone’s stuff. It’s everything I hate about Left polemics—humorless, high-decibel conspiratorialism. It’s so lacking in curiosity I don't even think Sputnik would run it. The Green Party died for the 3rd time when Stein brought Cobb back in the fold in September. And they haven’t been resurrected once, but they sure did raise a lot of money. He’s good at that…. >> J >> >> [3] On Jul 12, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> I agree entirely about Stein/Cobb, but not about Johnstone. >> For one thing, she’s quite funny - far from humorless - in a rude, (I hesitate to say) millennial way. (Cf. my daughter’s TV show, 'Casual,’ on Hulu.) >> And on the 'red-brown alliance’ talk, the sooner we abandon the floating signifiers (sorry) of ‘left' and 'right', the better. >> Strangely, they’re being kept alive by an alliance of M-L remnants, from tankies to Trots, with media village explainers... >> As descriptors in the neoliberal era, even ‘economic nationalist’ vs. 'corporate globalist’ is better. —CGE >> ==================== >> >> Regards, CGE >> >> >>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> Why are you advertising these articles? They seem to have little “meat” and many unconvincing slurs. But yes, it is sort of a policing of the ideological boundaries. >>> >>> Assange still gets my sympathy and respect. Poitras less so. >>> I’m not sure what Johnstone wants to promote, and is it all to be condemned? >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 12, 2017, at 10:48 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>>> >>>> Policing the boundaries of "left" and "right": >>>> >>>> https://louisproyect.org/2017/07/10/risk/#comment-334525 >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/11/the-green-party-marks-in-a-media-con-job/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jul 14 14:04:13 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:04:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Articles of interest In-Reply-To: References: <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2119482983.3996107.1499917734183@mail.yahoo.com> <5627084E-F6A2-49EC-81E0-9345D130D91C@illinois.edu> <496B988E-2290-464B-AFB4-E536AFF32A9A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Thanks, I agree with you all, in respect to David Cobb, based upon what I’ve read. Though he did support resurrecting the Green Party anti-war movement recently. Probably for political reasons rather than justice. Jeffrey should read some of Eric’s FB postings from early this year, that left Eric’s credibility in question. On Jul 14, 2017, at 05:25, C G Estabrook > wrote: There’s not a dispute between Jeffrey & Eric. They agree on David Cobb, & I think they're right. They also agree in condemning Caitlin Johnstone for "high-decibel conspiratorialism,” & I think they’re wrong. —CGE On Jul 14, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Carl Where can I find info. relating to the dispute between Jeffrey and Eric. I liked Eric’s podcast interviews at one time, but after reading some of his statements on FB quit. On Jul 13, 2017, at 18:53, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: Mort— There’s a real and surprising dispute involving some serious left journalists, notably Jefferey St. Clair of CounterPunch. (And his colleague Eric Draitser.) I agree with you about Assange, whatever his flaws. (And Poitras.) A recent exchange w/ St. Clair re Johnstone - Caitlin (b. 1975?), not Diana (b. 1934): ================== [1] On Jul 12, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Jeffrey— You know I was once (long ago) a Green party candidate for Congress here on the prairie, and I voted for Jill Stein, who's been our house guest... But I’ve never been a fan of David Cobb and his kowtowing to the Democrats, in 2004 or 2016. Nevertheless I think Cobb is right about Caitlin Johnstone, and Yoav Litvin is wrong… [2] On Jul 12, 2017, at 3:53 PM, Jeffrey St Clair > wrote: I can’t read Johnstone’s stuff. It’s everything I hate about Left polemics—humorless, high-decibel conspiratorialism. It’s so lacking in curiosity I don't even think Sputnik would run it. The Green Party died for the 3rd time when Stein brought Cobb back in the fold in September. And they haven’t been resurrected once, but they sure did raise a lot of money. He’s good at that…. J [3] On Jul 12, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: I agree entirely about Stein/Cobb, but not about Johnstone. For one thing, she’s quite funny - far from humorless - in a rude, (I hesitate to say) millennial way. (Cf. my daughter’s TV show, 'Casual,’ on Hulu.) And on the 'red-brown alliance’ talk, the sooner we abandon the floating signifiers (sorry) of ‘left' and 'right', the better. Strangely, they’re being kept alive by an alliance of M-L remnants, from tankies to Trots, with media village explainers... As descriptors in the neoliberal era, even ‘economic nationalist’ vs. 'corporate globalist’ is better. —CGE ==================== Regards, CGE On Jul 13, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Brussel, Morton K via Peace-discuss > wrote: Why are you advertising these articles? They seem to have little “meat” and many unconvincing slurs. But yes, it is sort of a policing of the ideological boundaries. Assange still gets my sympathy and respect. Poitras less so. I’m not sure what Johnstone wants to promote, and is it all to be condemned? 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URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jul 14 19:15:32 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:15:32 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] "What happened to the anti-war movement?" In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Obama’s AWOL Anti-War Protest | by James Bovard | July 14, 2017 Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 as a peace candidate. He signaled that he would fundamentally change America’s course after the reckless carnage unleashed by the George W. Bush administration. However, by the end of Obama’s presidency, the United States was bombing seven different foreign nations. But Obama’s warring rarely evoked the protests or opposition that the Bush administration generated. Why did so many Bush-era anti-war activists abandon the cause after Obama took office? One explanation is that the news media downplayed Obama’s killings abroad. Shortly after he took office, he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize — not because of anything that he had achieved, but because of the sentiments he had expressed. Shortly after he accepted the Peace Prize, he announced that he would sharply increase the number of American troops in Afghanistan. Much of the media treated Obama’s surge as if it were simply a military campaign designed to ensure that the rights of Afghan women were respected. The fact that more than 2,000 American troops died in Afghanistan on Obama’s watch received far less attention in the press than did the casualties from Bush’s Iraq war. In early 2011, popular uprisings in several Arab nations spurred a hope that democracy would soon flourish across North Africa and much of the Middle East. Violent protests in Libya soon threatened the long-term regime of dictator Muammar Qaddafi, who had become a U.S. ally and supporter in recent years. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other advisors persuaded Obama to forcibly intervene in what appeared to be a civil war. In March 2011, Obama told Americans that “the democratic values that we stand for would be overrun” if the United States did not join the French and British assault on the Libyan government. Obama declared that one goal of the U.S. attack was “the transition to a legitimate government that is responsive to the Libyan people.” Qaddafi, who was dealing with uprisings across the nation, sent Obama a personal message: “As you know too well, democracy and building of civil society cannot be achieved by means of missiles and aircraft, or by backing armed members of al-Qaeda in Benghazi.” Even before the United States began bombing Libya, there was no sober reason to expect that toppling Qaddafi would result in a triumph of popular sovereignty. Some of the rebel groups had been slaughtering civilians; black Africans whom Qaddafi had brought into Libya as guest workers were especially targeted to be massacred. Some of Qaddafi’s most dangerous opponents were groups that the United States had officially labeled as terrorists. Obama decided that bringing democracy to Libya was more important than obeying U.S. law. The War Powers Act, passed by Congress in 1973 in the waning days of the Vietnam War, requires presidents to terminate military attacks abroad after 60 days unless Congress specifically approves the intervention. Immediately after the bombing commenced, Secretary of State Clinton declared during a classified briefing for members of Congress that “the White House would forge ahead with military action in Libya even if Congress passed a resolution constraining the mission.” Echoing the Bush administration the Obama administration indicated that congressional restraints would be “an unconstitutional encroachment on executive power.” According to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, Obama “had the constitutional authority” to attack Libya “because he could reasonably determine that such use of force was in the national interest.” Apparently, as long as presidential advisors concluded that attacking foreigners is in the U.S. “national interest,” the president’s warring passes muster — at least according to his lawyers. Yale professors Bruce Ackerman and Oona Hathaway lamented that “history will say that the War Powers Act was condemned to a quiet death by a president who had solemnly pledged, on the campaign trail, to put an end to indiscriminate warmaking.” The U.S. attack on Libya evoked almost no protests across the nation. After Qaddafi was killed, Secretary Clinton laughed during a television interview celebrating his demise: “We came, we saw, he died.” But U.S. missiles and bombs begat chaos, not freedom. Five years later, when asked what was the worst mistake of his presidency, Obama replied, “Probably failing to plan for the day after what I think was the right thing to do in intervening in Libya.” Syria In 2013, Obama decided to attack the Syrian regime of Bashar al-Assad. The Obama team alleged that the Assad regime had carried out a chemical weapons attack on Syrian civilians. A front-page Washington Post headline blared, “Proof Against Assad at Hand.” But that hand remained hidden. On a Sunday talk show, White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough admitted that the administration lacked evidence “beyond a reasonable doubt” proving that the Syrian regime had carried out the gas attack. But McDonough asserted, “The common-sense test says [Assad] is responsible for this. He should be held to account.” Obama administration officials also insisted that attacking Syria would boost American “credibility.” But unless “credibility” is defined solely as assuring the world that the president of the United States can kill foreigners on a whim, that is a poor bet. This type of credibility is more appropriate for a drunken brawl in a bar than for international relations. The administration never provided solid evidence to back up its claim. Even Obama ally Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) characterized the evidence presented in a Capitol Hill classified briefing as “circumstantial.” Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.) commented, “The evidence is not as strong as the public statements that the president and the administration have been making. There are some things that are being embellished in the public statements. The [classified] briefings have actually made me more skeptical about the situation.” Seeking to rally the nation behind the cause, Obama called on Congress to authorize bombing Syria. But the American people had little stomach for another adventure abroad. There were a few protests — including one outside the White House on the Saturday when Obama was expected to announce that he had commenced bombing. I was there that day, along with a smattering of conservative and libertarian opponents to another war. The protest was a bit anemic until a couple busloads of ANSWER Coalition activists arrived from Baltimore. They had great signs — “Bombing Syria Doesn’t Protect People — It Kills Them” —and they marched and chanted in unison better than most high-school bands. The U.S. Park Police were unhappy with the protest and rode their horses into the middle of the group. Federal officials came up and threatened to arrest anyone who did not clear away from the street behind the White House. A handful of arrests were made and the crowd simmered down. But when Obama made his a radio speech to the nation that afternoon, the chanting from the protest could be heard in the background. Obama announced that he was postponing a decision on bombing. However, in the summer of 2014, the ISIS terrorist group released videos of the beheading of hostages. That provided sufficient cover for Obama to commence bombing that group — and other targets in Syria. The media played its usual lapdog role. A Washington Post headline proclaimed, “Obama the reluctant warrior, cautiously selling a new fight.” So we’re supposed to think the president is a victim of cruel necessity, or what? A New York Times headline announced, “In Airstrikes, U.S. Targets Militant Cell Said to Plot an Attack Against the West.” “Said to” is the perfect term — perhaps sufficient to alert non-brain-dead readers that something may be missing (e.g., evidence). By mid 2016, the Obama administration had dropped almost 50,000 bombs on ISIS forces (or civilians wrongly suspected to be ISIS fighters) in Syria and Iraq. A September 2016 Daily Beast article noted, “In January, the Pentagon admitted to bombing civilians on at least 14 different occasions. In July, an off-target airstrike in northern Syria killed more than 60 people.” Obama acted as if he was doing God’s work by again bombing the Middle East. But the supposed beneficiaries were not persuaded. On the eve of the 2016 U.S. November election, independent journalist Rania Khalek (who was visiting Syria) tweeted, “I’ve been asking Syrians who they want to win for president. The vast majority say Trump because they feel he’s less likely to bomb them.” Presidential rhetoric was not sufficient compensation for the lives and homes that would be destroyed by the increased onslaughts that Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton seemed to promise. Anti-war or anti-Republican? Thousands of innocent foreigners were killed by U.S. bombings and drone attacks during the Obama administration. In his 2016 State of the Union address, Obama scoffed at “calls to carpet bomb civilians.” Perhaps he considered it far more prudent to blow up wedding parties instead (as happened during his reign in Yemen and Afghanistan). As long as White House or Pentagon spokesmen announced that the United States was using “precision bombing,” media controversy over innocent victims was blunted, if not completely avoided. Why did Obama suffer far less backlash than George W. Bush? Salon columnist David Sirota summarized an academic study released in 2013: “Evaluating surveys of more than 5,300 anti-war protestors from 2007 to 2009, the researchers discovered that the many protestors who self-identified as Democrats ‘withdrew from anti-war protests when the Democratic Party achieved electoral success’ in the 2008 presidential election.” Sirota noted that the researchers concluded that “during the Bush years, many Democrats were not necessarily motivated to participate in the anti-war movement because they oppose militarism and war — they were instead ‘motivated to participate by anti-Republican sentiments.’” There have been plenty of stout critics of U.S. warring in recent years — including Antiwar.com, The Future of Freedom Foundation, Ron Paul, the Mises Institute, and some principled liberals and leftists such as Counterpunch and Glenn Greenwald and The Intercept. But overall, the media spotlight rarely shone on U.S. carnage abroad, as it did in earlier times. Perhaps the anti-war movement will revive if Donald Trump commences bombing new foreign nations. But it is clear that too many Americans have not yet learned the folly of “kill foreigners first, ask questions later.” *** {James Bovard serves as policy adviser to The Future of Freedom Foundation. He has written for the New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, New Republic, Reader's Digest, Playboy, American Spectator, Investors Business Daily, and many other publications. He is the author of a new e-book memoir, Public Policy Hooligan. His other books include: Attention Deficit Democracy (2006); The Bush Betrayal (2004); Terrorism and Tyranny (2003); Feeling Your Pain (2000); Freedom in Chains (1999); Shakedown (1995); Lost Rights (1994); The Fair Trade Fraud (1991); and The Farm Fiasco (1989). He was the 1995 co-recipient of the Thomas Szasz Award for Civil Liberties work, awarded by the Center for Independent Thought, and the recipient of the 1996 Freedom Fund Award from the Firearms Civil Rights Defense Fund of the National Rifle Association. His book Lost Rights received the Mencken Award as Book of the Year from the Free Press Association. His Terrorism and Tyranny won Laissez Faire Book's Lysander Spooner award for the Best Book on Liberty in 2003.} https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/obamas-awol-anti-war-protest/ ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jul 15 13:41:14 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 13:41:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] US Healthcare the poorest....... Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » As Senate health plan calls for gutting Medicaid Study shows US has poorest health, widest health care gap between rich and poor By Kate Randall 15 July 2017 wsws.org A new study reveals findings that will come as no surprise to most American workers and youth: In the United States, your level of income defines your access to health care, the quality of care you receive, and whether you will meet an early death because of it. The US also has the poorest health overall among high-income countries. Using survey data to measure and compare patient and physician experiences across 11 countries, the Commonwealth Fund’s “Mirror, Mirror 2017: International Comparisons Reflect Flaws and Opportunities for Better US Health Care” finds that the US ranks last overall on providing equally accessible and high-quality health care, regardless of income. The report compares health care system performance in the US with that of 10 other high-income countries, ranking them in five areas: care process, access, administrative efficiency, equity and health care outcomes. The US ranks last overall, and last in all but one area studied, care process, in which it came in fifth. If the United States were a politically healthy society, the release of this report would sound alarm bells in the White House and on Capitol Hill. Why, in “the greatest country on earth,” is the health of its citizens in such a deplorable state? What can be done to remedy what can only be described as a health care emergency of crisis proportions? Instead, the study’s release follows the unveiling Thursday of the Senate Republicans’ latest version of their Better Care Reconciliation Act (BCRA), which proposes to slash $772 billion from the Medicaid program for the poor, and the Affordable Care Act’s expansion of Medicaid. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that an earlier version of the bill would leave 22 million more uninsured by 2026 than under current law. [http://www.wsws.org/asset/c81f7711-d48b-40cd-935b-c5929475011I/image.jpg?rendition=image480] The Commonwealth study points to factors contributing to this appalling US health report card, which will only be worsened under whatever health care “reform” is hatched in Washington. Life expectancy, after improving in recent years, has been aggravated by the opioid crisis. As the baby boom population ages, more people in the US are living with age-related disease, placing increased pressure on the health care system. These are problems that could be confronted with timely and accessible health care, but these services are woefully inadequate. In particular, poor access to primary care has contributed to inadequate prevention and management of diseases. And in the US, far more than any other country studied, lower-income people are far more likely to lack access to affordable care, and to suffer and die because of it. Forty-four percent of lower income people reported financial barriers to care, compared to 26 percent of those with higher incomes. By comparison, in the UK only 7 percent of people with lower incomes and 4 percent with higher incomes reported that costs prevented them from getting care. According to the study, in the US population as whole in the past year: • 33 percent had cost-related access problems to medical care. • 32 percent skipped dental care or check-ups due to cost. • 27 percent were denied insurance payment for care or did not receive as much as expected. • 20 percent had serious problems paying or were unable to pay medical bills. • 60 percent of doctors reported patients often had difficulty paying for medications or out-of-pocket costs. • 54 percent of doctors reported time spent on insurance claims is a major problem. • 54 percent of doctors reported a major problem getting patients needed medications or treatment because of insurance coverage restrictions. These problems are worse in the low-income segment of the US population. For example, 44 percent of this group had a cost-related access problem to medical care, and 45 percent skipped dental care or a check-up due to cost. There is also a 24 percent gap between those in the above average and below average income groups who skipped dental care due to cost. The study uses “average” income, which was about $75,000 in 2016, as the dividing line between upper and lower income. However, multimillionaires and billionaires skew this average upwards, and due to the growing income inequality in the US, the health care problems of those living in poverty in the “below average” group are most likely underrepresented. Some of the most shocking statistics presented are on population mortality, in which the US ranked last in every category studied compared to the other 10 countries. • Infant mortality: 6 deaths per 1,000 live births, compared to Sweden, with 2.2 (the lowest) • Life expectancy at age 60: 23.5 years in the US, compared to 25.7 in France (the highest) The study also examined “mortality amenable to health care,” or deaths considered preventable by timely and effective medical care. The US had 112 deaths per 100,000 people that could have been prevented with timely and effective care. This is more than twice the rate in Switzerland, at 55 per 100,000. The US also had a much lower decline in these preventable deaths over 10 years, falling by only 16 percent compared to 34 percent in the Netherlands. The US spent $9,364 per person on health care in 2016, compared to $4,094 in the UK, which ranked first overall in health care. In other words, while spending far more per person, the US population has poorer health than the other 10 countries studied. Such figures evoke howls from both big business parties for spending to be slashed. Typical were the recent comments of Trump’s Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price who said, while claiming to be committed to fighting the opioid epidemic that killed 60,000 people in the US last year, “We don’t need to be throwing money” at the crisis. What goes unmentioned in such statements is the root cause of the health care crisis in America: a health care system based on capitalist profit. The for-profit insurance companies, pharmaceuticals and giant health care chains are not in business to promote the health of the American people, but to boost their bottom lines. Whatever health care legislation is passed in Congress—either by the Republicans, or in a bipartisan “compromise” with the Democrats—will be based on this capitalist model. The Republicans’ House and Senate health bills are, in fact, based on Obamacare, incorporating the structures set up under the Democratic legislation. The central purpose of Obamacare was to shift costs from the government and corporations to the working class, with health care increasingly rationed on a class basis. The Commonwealth Fund’s findings on the state of US health care, particularly those on mortality, are an indication of the preliminary results of this bipartisan strategy. Behind the BCRA’s proposals to gut Medicaid, and to give the private insurers even more latitude to boost profits through offering shabby, high-cost coverage, lies a calculated effort to reduce life expectancy for working people, and to send many of the old, sick or disabled to an early grave. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Sat Jul 15 15:10:27 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:10:27 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Trump Bump in war stocks Message-ID: <28644218-6797-4C74-B168-4F2CD6D45CCE@illinois.edu> Money Street 7/15/17 Profiting From The US’s Recent Billion Dollar Defense Dealings [cid:93f70b67-81b9-4058-a848-acc645953efe at mx.uillinois.edu] The US Recently Landed a Really Big Deal for Defense Investors In no time at all, the current administration has certainly lived up to the “art of the deal” making in the Defense sector. Recent activity in this sector has created explosive investment opportunities not found in some time. Companies like Technical Communications Corporation (Nasdaq: TCCO $4.8 – website), are perfectly positioned to capture massive contracts and growth. So let’s take a deeper look how. [cid:e8e688b2-1c2f-4af6-b9fa-56e1bc97842b at mx.uillinois.edu] The US recently closed a defense deal with Saudi Arabia that has gotten the attention of the world. The $110 Billion defense deal, which could be worth an additional $240 Billion over the next 10 years, has created much ballyhoo hype as well as its fair share of criticisms. At The Money Street, you’ve come to know that we don’t take political positions. Whether you’re a Republican, Democrat, Independent, or you consider yourself a hawk or a dove … we don’t really care. What we DO care is how politics and the current administrations and their political actions will affect the marketplace and uncover specific investment opportunities. Defense Stocks Take The Offensive Part of the justification of recent foreign defense dealings in Saudi Arabia is to help modernize their military and intelligence capabilities. In doing so, Saudi Arabia would finally catch-up it’s defense abilities with global allies. What the Saudi Arabia defense deal has already done is made an impression on the stocks of defense companies. According to a recent CNBC article, “defense stocks soar to all time highs on $110 billion US-Saudi Arabia deal.” The big named defense stocks Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Raytheon and Northrop Grumman all hit all-time highs days after the deal was announced. It’s no coincidence that the market has taken notice. . . . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 10:17:48 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The Trump Bump in war stocks In-Reply-To: <28644218-6797-4C74-B168-4F2CD6D45CCE@illinois.edu> References: <28644218-6797-4C74-B168-4F2CD6D45CCE@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <448AA744-DDFC-4488-A46A-24B4DC415FE9@illinois.edu> Obviously we should direct our Congressional representatives to vote against such ‘defense’ spending - and tell them we’ll vote for their opponents (particularly but not only Green and independent candidates) when they don’t. —CGE > On Jul 15, 2017, at 10:10 AM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > Money Street 7/15/17 > > Profiting From The US’s Recent Billion Dollar Defense Dealings > > The US Recently Landed a Really Big Deal for Defense Investors > In no time at all, the current administration has certainly lived up to the “art of the deal ” making in the Defense sector. Recent activity in this sector has created explosive investment opportunities not found in some time. Companies like Technical Communications Corporation (Nasdaq: TCCO $4.8 – website ), are perfectly positioned to capture massive contracts and growth. > So let’s take a deeper look how. > > The US recently closed a defense deal with Saudi Arabia that has gotten the attention of the world. > The $110 Billion defense deal, which could be worth an additional $240 Billion over the next 10 years, has created much ballyhoo hype as well as its fair share of criticisms. > At The Money Street, you’ve come to know that we don’t take political positions. Whether you’re a Republican, Democrat, Independent, or you consider yourself a hawk or a dove … we don’t really care. What we DO care is how politics and the current administrations and their political actions will affect the marketplace and uncover specific investment opportunities. > Defense Stocks Take The Offensive > Part of the justification of recent foreign defense dealings in Saudi Arabia is to help modernize their military and intelligence capabilities. In doing so, Saudi Arabia would finally catch-up it’s defense abilities with global allies. > What the Saudi Arabia defense deal has already done is made an impression on the stocks of defense companies. According to a recent CNBC article , “defense stocks soar to all time highs on $110 billion US-Saudi Arabia deal.” > The big named defense stocks Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, Raytheon and Northrop Grumman all hit all-time highs days after the deal was announced. > It’s no coincidence that the market has taken notice. > . . . > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 00:53:27 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 19:53:27 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] McCain Staying Arizona After Blood Clot Surgery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36565600-D3FC-4D3C-ACA1-DE879015C835@illinois.edu> Whose blood? > On Jul 15, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Roll Call News Alerts wrote: > > > > > > > > > News Alert > > > McCain Staying Arizona After Blood Clot Surgery > > > > Senate Armed Services Chairman John McCain is staying in Arizona next week recovering from surgery to remove a blood clot. > > > > > > > Advertise with Us > > > > An Economist Group Business. Copyright 2016 © CQ Roll Call. All rights reserved. Privacy | Safely unsubscribe now or change your subscription preferences . > > CQ Roll Call 1625 Eye St. NW, Suite 200 Washington DC 20006 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 06:05:47 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 01:05:47 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. Some things don’t change. —CGE From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 14:03:12 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:03:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: SNYTMAG Bazelon Cites War Criminal Jack Goldsmith Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 8:58 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: SNYTMAG Bazelon Cites War Criminal Jack Goldsmith War Criminal and Torturer Jack Goldsmith: "I detest much of the president's norm-defying behavior...But I worry at least as much about norms related to our governance that have been breached and diminished as a result or in response to Trumpism." Truly Orwellian Emily! Jack Goldsmith is a war criminal and a torturer. And here you are citing him as your authority on "norms" in the Sunday Newspeak Times Mag. No surprise there! To the best of my knowledge, so far Trump has not ordered anyone to be tortured-thanks to Mad Dog Mattis. By comparison, Goldsmith and the rest of the Bushies are Chickenhawk/Chickenshit War Criminals and Torturers. And of course Bazelon could not care less that Goldsmith et al engaged in the wholesale torture of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color-Their untermensch. Fab -----Original Message----- From: archive at blythe.org [mailto:archive at blythe.org] On Behalf Of nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:47 PM To: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com Subject: [NYTr] Prof of Intl Law Says Harvard Hired a War Criminal Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Nov 23, 2004 Information Clearing House - Breaking News http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7350.htm Professor of International Law Says Harvard Hired a "War Criminal" By Jason Leopold 11/23/04 "ICH" -- A Harvard University Law School alumni and professor of international law and human rights has started a campaign to boycott the prestigious university he once attended as a result of Harvard's hiring of Assistant Attorney General Jack Goldsmith to join its law school faculty. Goldsmith was identified earlier this year as one of several legal experts who drafted memos for the White House and the Justice Department saying the military could skirt the rules of the Geneva Convention when interrogating Iraqi prisoners. Legal experts have said that word about bypassing the Geneva Convention trickled down the military chain of command and lead to widespread abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Francis Boyle, who teaches at the University Of Illinois College Of Law and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard in 1971, said he was informed by colleagues last spring that Harvard was considering hiring Goldsmith and that he immediately voiced his concerns to Harvard officials. "These (Harvard) professors think they are above the law," Boyle said in an interview. "They refused to tell me why they were hiring Goldsmith, who, many of us in the legal profession believe is a war criminal." Neither Goldsmith nor Harvard law school officials would return numerous calls for comment. Boyle, according to his bio, has written extensively on international law and politics. He has published eight books. His book, Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, has been used successfully in numerous foreign policy protest trials. Boyle is also the lead counsel for Bosnia and Herzegovina in Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) currently pending before the International Court of Justice Goldsmith's March 19, 2004 memo, written for then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, who was tapped a couple of weeks ago to replace John Ashcroft as Attorney General, caused a furor in legal circles because it authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to transfer detainees out of Iraq for interrogation - a practice that international legal specialists say contravenes the Geneva Conventions, according to an Oct. 24 report in the Washington Post. "One intelligence official familiar with the operation said the CIA has used the March draft memo as legal support for secretly transporting as many as a dozen detainees out of Iraq in the last six months. The agency has concealed the detainees from the International Red Cross and other authorities, the official said," the Post reported. Moreover, Goldsmith personally presented Gonzales, the White House counsel, with a "series of arguments that they claimed could be marshaled as defenses against U.S. torture statutes and the United Nations Convention Against Torture (CAT), which has been ratified by the United States," reported Inter Press Service last month. The full extent to which Goldsmith advised the White House to ignore the Geneva Convention may be revealed during Gonzales's Senate confirmation hearing in January. Boyle, a former teaching fellow at Harvard and a former associate at its Center for International Affairs, became so incensed with his alma mater's hiring of Goldsmith in June that he immediately launched an email campaign to boycott Harvard and said he plans to ask other alumni to withhold funds from the University, which is in the midst of a $400 million fundraising campaign. "The Harvard Law School Faculty knew full well the nefarious activities that Goldsmith had performed at the Department of Justice and the Pentagon before they voted to hire him. Obviously, the Harvard Law School Faculty wanted a war criminal to join their ranks. For this reason, the Harvard Law School Faculty is not fit to educate students. I would strongly recommend that you discourage students from attending the Harvard Law School for any reason," states one of a dozen or so emails Boyle has distributed to colleagues, students and Harvard faculty. Boyle said he is asking colleagues and other alumni to "ding" Harvard law school in the national rankings and "drive their rankings down overall and by each specialty." "We need to drive home to the Harvard Law School Faculty that this behavior is completely unacceptable to their colleagues in the legal teaching profession," Boyle said. "The Harvard Law School Faculty is not above the Law. Therefore, I recommend that we respond to each and every peer survey we get and rank the Harvard Law School last." It's unknown whether Boyle's actions have had a material impact on Harvard. * Search the NYTr Archives at: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ To subscribe or unsubscribe or change your settings via the web, visit: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================= NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us 339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org e-mail: nyt at blythe.org =============== Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 14:03:12 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:03:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: SNYTMAG Bazelon Cites War Criminal Jack Goldsmith Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 8:58 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: SNYTMAG Bazelon Cites War Criminal Jack Goldsmith War Criminal and Torturer Jack Goldsmith: "I detest much of the president's norm-defying behavior...But I worry at least as much about norms related to our governance that have been breached and diminished as a result or in response to Trumpism." Truly Orwellian Emily! Jack Goldsmith is a war criminal and a torturer. And here you are citing him as your authority on "norms" in the Sunday Newspeak Times Mag. No surprise there! To the best of my knowledge, so far Trump has not ordered anyone to be tortured-thanks to Mad Dog Mattis. By comparison, Goldsmith and the rest of the Bushies are Chickenhawk/Chickenshit War Criminals and Torturers. And of course Bazelon could not care less that Goldsmith et al engaged in the wholesale torture of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color-Their untermensch. Fab -----Original Message----- From: archive at blythe.org [mailto:archive at blythe.org] On Behalf Of nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 2:47 PM To: nytr at olm.blythe-systems.com Subject: [NYTr] Prof of Intl Law Says Harvard Hired a War Criminal Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit sent by Francis Boyle - Nov 23, 2004 Information Clearing House - Breaking News http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7350.htm Professor of International Law Says Harvard Hired a "War Criminal" By Jason Leopold 11/23/04 "ICH" -- A Harvard University Law School alumni and professor of international law and human rights has started a campaign to boycott the prestigious university he once attended as a result of Harvard's hiring of Assistant Attorney General Jack Goldsmith to join its law school faculty. Goldsmith was identified earlier this year as one of several legal experts who drafted memos for the White House and the Justice Department saying the military could skirt the rules of the Geneva Convention when interrogating Iraqi prisoners. Legal experts have said that word about bypassing the Geneva Convention trickled down the military chain of command and lead to widespread abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib. Francis Boyle, who teaches at the University Of Illinois College Of Law and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard in 1971, said he was informed by colleagues last spring that Harvard was considering hiring Goldsmith and that he immediately voiced his concerns to Harvard officials. "These (Harvard) professors think they are above the law," Boyle said in an interview. "They refused to tell me why they were hiring Goldsmith, who, many of us in the legal profession believe is a war criminal." Neither Goldsmith nor Harvard law school officials would return numerous calls for comment. Boyle, according to his bio, has written extensively on international law and politics. He has published eight books. His book, Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, has been used successfully in numerous foreign policy protest trials. Boyle is also the lead counsel for Bosnia and Herzegovina in Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (Bosnia and Herzegovina v. Yugoslavia (Serbia and Montenegro) currently pending before the International Court of Justice Goldsmith's March 19, 2004 memo, written for then White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, who was tapped a couple of weeks ago to replace John Ashcroft as Attorney General, caused a furor in legal circles because it authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to transfer detainees out of Iraq for interrogation - a practice that international legal specialists say contravenes the Geneva Conventions, according to an Oct. 24 report in the Washington Post. "One intelligence official familiar with the operation said the CIA has used the March draft memo as legal support for secretly transporting as many as a dozen detainees out of Iraq in the last six months. The agency has concealed the detainees from the International Red Cross and other authorities, the official said," the Post reported. Moreover, Goldsmith personally presented Gonzales, the White House counsel, with a "series of arguments that they claimed could be marshaled as defenses against U.S. torture statutes and the United Nations Convention Against Torture (CAT), which has been ratified by the United States," reported Inter Press Service last month. The full extent to which Goldsmith advised the White House to ignore the Geneva Convention may be revealed during Gonzales's Senate confirmation hearing in January. Boyle, a former teaching fellow at Harvard and a former associate at its Center for International Affairs, became so incensed with his alma mater's hiring of Goldsmith in June that he immediately launched an email campaign to boycott Harvard and said he plans to ask other alumni to withhold funds from the University, which is in the midst of a $400 million fundraising campaign. "The Harvard Law School Faculty knew full well the nefarious activities that Goldsmith had performed at the Department of Justice and the Pentagon before they voted to hire him. Obviously, the Harvard Law School Faculty wanted a war criminal to join their ranks. For this reason, the Harvard Law School Faculty is not fit to educate students. I would strongly recommend that you discourage students from attending the Harvard Law School for any reason," states one of a dozen or so emails Boyle has distributed to colleagues, students and Harvard faculty. Boyle said he is asking colleagues and other alumni to "ding" Harvard law school in the national rankings and "drive their rankings down overall and by each specialty." "We need to drive home to the Harvard Law School Faculty that this behavior is completely unacceptable to their colleagues in the legal teaching profession," Boyle said. "The Harvard Law School Faculty is not above the Law. Therefore, I recommend that we respond to each and every peer survey we get and rank the Harvard Law School last." It's unknown whether Boyle's actions have had a material impact on Harvard. * Search the NYTr Archives at: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/ To subscribe or unsubscribe or change your settings via the web, visit: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr ================================================================= NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us 339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org e-mail: nyt at blythe.org =============== Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 14:31:12 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:31:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: NYT Supports Racist Bell Curve by Murray Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 9:27 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT Supports Racist Bell Curve by Murray "...when the political scientist Charles Murray argues that genetic factors help account for racial disparities in IQ scores...It is offered as a scholarly hypothesis to be debated...entertaining an opinion...the lifeblood of democracy." Truly Orwellian! Murray's racist Bell Curve that Blacks are genetically inferior to Whites in terms of intelligence was completely debunked by Stephen Jay Gould of the Harvard Biology Department in the Second Edition of his Mismeasure of Man. See also Richard C. Lewontin et al, Not In Our Genes. Dick Lewontin is currently the Alexander Agassiz Research Professor of Biology and Zoology at Harvard, Emeritus. Ever since he was my Teacher in the first week of January 1970, Dick has always been ranked the No. 1 Population Biologist in the world by his Scientific Peers. By comparison this Lisa Feldman Barret is a junk pseudo-shrink professor-and an idiot and a bigot and a racist against African Americans. But she does have one thing right: Bigotry and Racism against African Americans have always been the "lifeblood" of American "democracy"- as demonstrated by this racist propaganda in the racist New York Times. Fab. 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See also Richard C. Lewontin et al, Not In Our Genes. Dick Lewontin is currently the Alexander Agassiz Research Professor of Biology and Zoology at Harvard, Emeritus. Ever since he was my Teacher in the first week of January 1970, Dick has always been ranked the No. 1 Population Biologist in the world by his Scientific Peers. By comparison this Lisa Feldman Barret is a junk pseudo-shrink professor-and an idiot and a bigot and a racist against African Americans. But she does have one thing right: Bigotry and Racism against African Americans have always been the "lifeblood" of American "democracy"- as demonstrated by this racist propaganda in the racist New York Times. Fab. 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 18:31:13 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:31:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. Some things don’t change. —CGE _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 18:53:53 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 13:53:53 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> No one doubts the influence of the Israel lobby, but there are other and more important lobbies influencing US policy, notably the lobby of ‘defense’ contractors. Mearsheimer and Walt’s "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” for all its insight, was an overstatement when it appeared a decade ago, and that hasn’t changed. Israel remains the client. —CGE > On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM > To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net > Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss > Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” > > The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. > > John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." > > It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. > > Some things don’t change. > > —CGE > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 18:54:11 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:54:11 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And just for the record: Notice that the Local Zionists ethnically cleansed this Campus of Native Americans when they got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Steve Salaita. A real Fifth Column on this Campus.Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:31 PM To: Estabrook, Carl G ; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: Peace Discuss Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. Some things don’t change. —CGE _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 19:31:53 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:31:53 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: M and W were late-comers to studying the Fifth Column Israel Lobby and American Zionists--there were better exposes before them. See,e.g., Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, Israel and the American National Interest (University of Illinois Press--yes, I helped get them to publish it). If anything, M and W deliberately understated their Power. In addition, M and W dedicated the book to their Mentor that die-hard bigot, racist and warmonger Sam Huntington. The objection by M and W to the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists is that they all impede the better operations of American Imperialism around the world. M and W do not present a Principled Argument. Huntington was ahead of me in the PHD Program at Harvard. Many of us refused as a matter of principle to study with him because of his die-hard support for the Vietnam War. Obviously, that created no problems for M and W. Then came Huntington's Clash of Civilizations against the Arab/Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Then came Huntington's racist diatribe against Latinos published in Foreign Policy by the Ford Foundation--a front organization for the CIA. Etc. Etc. Etc. And it is an undeniable fact that the Local Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off this campus by pressuring the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Steve Salaita. These Local Zionists were able to destroy Salaita's entire career for a mere $800,000 in Illinois Taxpayer's money. No skin off their Nose. A Real Fifth Column indeed on this Campus and Nation-wide. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:54 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China No one doubts the influence of the Israel lobby, but there are other and more important lobbies influencing US policy, notably the lobby of ‘defense’ contractors. Mearsheimer and Walt’s "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” for all its insight, was an overstatement when it appeared a decade ago, and that hasn’t changed. Israel remains the client. —CGE > On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM > To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net > Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss > Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” > > The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. > > John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." > > It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. > > Some things don’t change. > > —CGE > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 19:46:06 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:46:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:32 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China M and W were late-comers to studying the Fifth Column Israel Lobby and American Zionists--there were better exposes before them. See,e.g., Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, Israel and the American National Interest (University of Illinois Press--yes, I helped get them to publish it). If anything, M and W deliberately understated their Power. In addition, M and W dedicated the book to their Mentor that die-hard bigot, racist and warmonger Sam Huntington. The objection by M and W to the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists is that they all impede the better operations of American Imperialism around the world. M and W do not present a Principled Argument. Huntington was ahead of me in the PHD Program at Harvard. Many of us refused as a matter of principle to study with him because of his die-hard support for the Vietnam War. Obviously, that created no problems for M and W. Then came Huntington's Clash of Civilizations against the Arab/Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Then came Huntington's racist diatribe against Latinos published in Foreign Policy by the Ford Foundation--a front organization for the CIA. Etc. Etc. Etc. And it is an undeniable fact that the Local Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off this campus by pressuring the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Steve Salaita. These Local Zionists were able to destroy Salaita's entire career for a mere $800,000 in Illinois Taxpayer's money. No skin off their Nose. A Real Fifth Column indeed on this Campus and Nation-wide. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:54 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China No one doubts the influence of the Israel lobby, but there are other and more important lobbies influencing US policy, notably the lobby of ‘defense’ contractors. Mearsheimer and Walt’s "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” for all its insight, was an overstatement when it appeared a decade ago, and that hasn’t changed. Israel remains the client. —CGE > On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM > To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net > Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss > Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” > > The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. > > John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." > > It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. > > Some things don’t change. > > —CGE > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 19:55:21 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 14:55:21 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: "A fifth column is any group of people who undermine a larger group from within, usually in favor of an enemy group or nation.” That’s not what the Israel Lobby is, altho’ M&W (and others) think so, with the 'larger group’ being the US ruling class. Chomsky made clear the subservience of Israel and the Lobby to US ruling class interests in his review of M&W: >. The relationship he describes has developed further over the last decade, but it hasn’t changed fundamentally. The Salaita scandal was a (successful) reassertion of the standard form of intellectual control in US universities, which has hardly been challenged in 40 years. Alex Cockburn used to say you could take the US ruling class by surprise once every decade: it takes longer in the academy, because the control is more important. —CGE > On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > M and W were late-comers to studying the Fifth Column Israel Lobby and American Zionists--there were better exposes before them. See,e.g., Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, Israel and the American National Interest (University of Illinois Press--yes, I helped get them to publish it). If anything, M and W deliberately understated their Power. In addition, M and W dedicated the book to their Mentor that die-hard bigot, racist and warmonger Sam Huntington. The objection by M and W to the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists is that they all impede the better operations of American Imperialism around the world. M and W do not present a Principled Argument. Huntington was ahead of me in the PHD Program at Harvard. Many of us refused as a matter of principle to study with him because of his die-hard support for the Vietnam War. Obviously, that created no problems for M and W. Then came Huntington's Clash of Civilizations against the Arab/Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Then came Huntington's racist diatribe against Latinos published in Foreign Policy by the Ford Foundation--a front organization for the CIA. Etc. Etc. Etc. And it is an undeniable fact that the Local Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off this campus by pressuring the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Steve Salaita. These Local Zionists were able to destroy Salaita's entire career for a mere $800,000 in Illinois Taxpayer's money. No skin off their Nose. A Real Fifth Column indeed on this Campus and Nation-wide. > Fab > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:54 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > No one doubts the influence of the Israel lobby, but there are other and more important lobbies influencing US policy, notably the lobby of ‘defense’ contractors. > > Mearsheimer and Walt’s "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” for all its insight, was an overstatement when it appeared a decade ago, and that hasn’t changed. > > Israel remains the client. —CGE > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM >> To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >> Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss >> Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” >> >> The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. >> >> John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." >> >> It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. >> >> Some things don’t change. >> >> —CGE >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 20:04:17 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:04:17 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: [The Zionist Fifth Column] thesis ... does however have plenty of appeal. The reason, I think, is that it leaves the US government untouched on its high pinnacle of nobility, “Wilsonian idealism,” etc., merely in the grip of an all-powerful force that it cannot escape. It’s rather like attributing the crimes of the past 60 years to “exaggerated Cold War illusions,” etc. Convenient, but not too convincing. In either case. [Chomsky] > On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. > Fab. From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 20:05:13 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 20:05:13 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Chomsky admits he is a Labor Zionist. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:04 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China [The Zionist Fifth Column] thesis ... does however have plenty of appeal. The reason, I think, is that it leaves the US government untouched on its high pinnacle of nobility, “Wilsonian idealism,” etc., merely in the grip of an all-powerful force that it cannot escape. It’s rather like attributing the crimes of the past 60 years to “exaggerated Cold War illusions,” etc. Convenient, but not too convincing. In either case. [Chomsky] > On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. > Fab. From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 20:40:00 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:40:00 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> Since I first read his "Peace in the Middle East? Reflections on justice and nationhood” (1974), more than 40 years ago, I haven’t seen anyone who’s written more cogently on Israel-US relations and Mideast politics, up to and including the BDS movement. —CGE > On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:05 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Chomsky admits he is a Labor Zionist. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:04 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > [The Zionist Fifth Column] thesis ... does however have plenty of appeal. The reason, I think, is that it leaves the US government untouched on its high pinnacle of nobility, “Wilsonian idealism,” etc., merely in the grip of an all-powerful force that it cannot escape. It’s rather like attributing the crimes of the past 60 years to “exaggerated Cold War illusions,” etc. Convenient, but not too convincing. In either case. [Chomsky] > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. >> Fab. > From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 20:47:16 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:47:16 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE meeting 7/16 Message-ID: I regret that I will be unable to make the regularly-scheduled AWARE meeting at Pizza-M this evening at 5pm. We should however to be able to record a new edition of AWARE ON THE AIR Tuesday at noon at UPTV. —CGE From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jul 16 20:50:59 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 20:50:59 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE meeting 7/16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry to hear that. I may not go then, some things to attend to. Will see about Tuesday. > On Jul 16, 2017, at 13:47, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: > > I regret that I will be unable to make the regularly-scheduled AWARE meeting at Pizza-M this evening at 5pm. > > We should however to be able to record a new edition of AWARE ON THE AIR Tuesday at noon at UPTV. > > —CGE > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 20:54:45 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 20:54:45 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered the University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live Fab. D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign. Copyright 2010 Newstex LLC All Rights Reserved Newstex Web Blogs Copyright 2010 Atlantic Free Press Atlantic Free Press April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST LENGTH: 1826 words HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama BYLINE: Francis A Boyle BODY: Apr. 3, 2010 (Atlantic Free Press delivered by Newstex) -- by Francis A. Boyle Ph.D. It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. administration. These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its Department of Political Science for many years. The best exposé of Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's foremost protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur (NASDAQ:CNQR) completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the degradation of the American political process that has been inflicted by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss was a protégé of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft received his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law School in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of Injustice were members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian Federalist Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for establishing an American Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of the University of Chicago Law School Movement of oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, plundered, and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all over the developing world, especially People of Color, and now here in the United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" that was condemned by the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" of Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary benefit of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) that had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well as the Bush Family itself. Enron. Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist Christian supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal. According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 speech before the American Enterprise Institute (another front-organization for Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. hired about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his administration, intentionally taking offices where they could push American foreign policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen enemies such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Most of the Straussian Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere were and still are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles hold true for the not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon that was responsible for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media in order to generate public support for a war of aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil. To paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those willing to be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience as an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was another protégé of Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt), as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. In his Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom was and is still worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression against Iraq, the University of Chicago chose the occasion to officially celebrate its Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram Shulsky, A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is correct to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Hobbist, Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of Chicago would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert that Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli Chicago/Strauss/Bloom product such as Wolfowitz could care less about democracy in the United States let alone in Iraq? Or for that matter anyone in the Bush Jr. administration? After they stole the 2000 presidential election from the American People in Florida and before the Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were/are Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. For eight years the Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. administration did everything humanly possible to build an American Police State. So far University of Chicago Constitutional Law Teacher President Barack Obama has failed and refused to deconstruct and dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the contrary, the Obama administration has defended and justified in court almost every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to International Understanding" to Robert McNamara, who was personally responsible for exterminating 3 million Vietnamese and 58,000 men of my generation. In other words, the University of Chicago itself maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest international war criminals in the post-World War II era. History shall always record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they will grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians like Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University of Chicago once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best investment I ever made. Still is. Newstex ID: ATFR-0001-43485955 _______________________________________________ AALSMIN-L mailing list Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:40 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Since I first read his "Peace in the Middle East? Reflections on justice and nationhood” (1974), more than 40 years ago, I haven’t seen anyone who’s written more cogently on Israel-US relations and Mideast politics, up to and including the BDS movement. —CGE > On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:05 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Chomsky admits he is a Labor Zionist. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:04 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > [The Zionist Fifth Column] thesis ... does however have plenty of appeal. The reason, I think, is that it leaves the US government untouched on its high pinnacle of nobility, “Wilsonian idealism,” etc., merely in the grip of an all-powerful force that it cannot escape. It’s rather like attributing the crimes of the past 60 years to “exaggerated Cold War illusions,” etc. Convenient, but not too convincing. In either case. [Chomsky] > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. >> Fab. > From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 21:05:18 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:05:18 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And ever since I arrived here in July of 1978, the Campus/C-U Zionists have always been a Fifth Column for Israel on this Campus. Fab D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:55 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered the University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live Fab. D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign. Copyright 2010 Newstex LLC All Rights Reserved Newstex Web Blogs Copyright 2010 Atlantic Free Press Atlantic Free Press April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST LENGTH: 1826 words HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama BYLINE: Francis A Boyle BODY: Apr. 3, 2010 (Atlantic Free Press delivered by Newstex) -- by Francis A. Boyle Ph.D. It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. administration. These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its Department of Political Science for many years. The best exposé of Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's foremost protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur (NASDAQ:CNQR) completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the degradation of the American political process that has been inflicted by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss was a protégé of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft received his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law School in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of Injustice were members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian Federalist Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for establishing an American Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of the University of Chicago Law School Movement of oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, plundered, and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all over the developing world, especially People of Color, and now here in the United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" that was condemned by the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" of Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary benefit of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) that had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well as the Bush Family itself. Enron. Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist Christian supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal. According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 speech before the American Enterprise Institute (another front-organization for Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. hired about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his administration, intentionally taking offices where they could push American foreign policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen enemies such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Most of the Straussian Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere were and still are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles hold true for the not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon that was responsible for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media in order to generate public support for a war of aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil. To paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those willing to be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience as an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was another protégé of Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt), as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. In his Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom was and is still worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression against Iraq, the University of Chicago chose the occasion to officially celebrate its Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram Shulsky, A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is correct to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Hobbist, Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of Chicago would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert that Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli Chicago/Strauss/Bloom product such as Wolfowitz could care less about democracy in the United States let alone in Iraq? Or for that matter anyone in the Bush Jr. administration? After they stole the 2000 presidential election from the American People in Florida and before the Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were/are Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. For eight years the Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. administration did everything humanly possible to build an American Police State. So far University of Chicago Constitutional Law Teacher President Barack Obama has failed and refused to deconstruct and dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the contrary, the Obama administration has defended and justified in court almost every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to International Understanding" to Robert McNamara, who was personally responsible for exterminating 3 million Vietnamese and 58,000 men of my generation. In other words, the University of Chicago itself maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest international war criminals in the post-World War II era. History shall always record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they will grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians like Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University of Chicago once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best investment I ever made. Still is. Newstex ID: ATFR-0001-43485955 _______________________________________________ AALSMIN-L mailing list Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:40 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Since I first read his "Peace in the Middle East? Reflections on justice and nationhood” (1974), more than 40 years ago, I haven’t seen anyone who’s written more cogently on Israel-US relations and Mideast politics, up to and including the BDS movement. —CGE > On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:05 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Chomsky admits he is a Labor Zionist. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 3:04 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue > US war provocations v. Russia and China > > [The Zionist Fifth Column] thesis ... does however have plenty of > appeal. The reason, I think, is that it leaves the US government > untouched on its high pinnacle of nobility, “Wilsonian idealism,” > etc., merely in the grip of an all-powerful force that it cannot > escape. It’s rather like attributing the crimes of the past 60 years > to “exaggerated Cold War illusions,” etc. Convenient, but not too > convincing. In either case. [Chomsky] > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. >> Fab. > From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Sun Jul 16 22:27:40 2017 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:27:40 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] how did the shameful un-hiring of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <67985642-e704-031e-434c-c102b7eefe97@gmail.com> I'd still like to understand how the American Indian Studies program was destroyed. I know it was, to our shame and loss, but don't know the process that went into undermining it to the point that its faculty either found better (sometimes really great!) positions at other universities and left town, or found more welcoming homes in other UIUC departments. How was it done? On 7/16/17 2:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: > The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. > Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:32 PM > To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > M and W were late-comers to studying the Fifth Column Israel Lobby and American Zionists--there were better exposes before them. See,e.g., Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, Israel and the American National Interest (University of Illinois Press--yes, I helped get them to publish it). If anything, M and W deliberately understated their Power. In addition, M and W dedicated the book to their Mentor that die-hard bigot, racist and warmonger Sam Huntington. The objection by M and W to the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists is that they all impede the better operations of American Imperialism around the world. M and W do not present a Principled Argument. Huntington was ahead of me in the PHD Program at Harvard. Many of us refused as a matter of principle to study with him because of his die-hard support for the Vietnam War. Obviously, that created no problems for M and W. Then came Huntington's Clash of Civilizations against the Arab/Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Then came Huntington's racist diatribe against Latinos published in Foreign Policy by the Ford Foundation--a front organization for the CIA. Etc. Etc. Etc. And it is an undeniable fact that the Local Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off this campus by pressuring the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Steve Salaita. These Local Zionists were able to destroy Salaita's entire career for a mere $800,000 in Illinois Taxpayer's money. No skin off their Nose. A Real Fifth Column indeed on this Campus and Nation-wide. > Fab > > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:54 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > No one doubts the influence of the Israel lobby, but there are other and more important lobbies influencing US policy, notably the lobby of ‘defense’ contractors. > > Mearsheimer and Walt’s "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” for all its insight, was an overstatement when it appeared a decade ago, and that hasn’t changed. > > Israel remains the client. —CGE > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM >> To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >> Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss >> Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” >> >> The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. >> >> John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." >> >> It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. >> >> Some things don’t change. >> >> —CGE >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 22:37:11 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:37:11 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] how did the shameful ILLEGAL FIRING of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? Message-ID: When it became clear that the University of Illiniwaks was not going to rehire the illegally fired Salaita because of Zionist Pressure, Native Americans picked up and left. The Native American Studies Program is now defunct—only in name. We have heard nothing from or about Native Americans on this Campus since Salaita. A Deafening Silence. After all the hard work we did to get rid of Chief Illiniwak and establish the Native American Studies Program as some sort of compensation for the University of Illiniwaks longstanding bigotry and racism against Native Americans going all the way back to when Charlene Teeters first called for the elimination of Chief Illiniwak. Kaput! Thanks to the Campus/CU Zionists pressure to illegally fire Salaita. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Stuart Levy [mailto:stuartnlevy at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:28 PM To: Boyle, Francis A ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Stuart Levy ; Peace Discuss ; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: how did the shameful un-hiring of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? I'd still like to understand how the American Indian Studies program was destroyed. I know it was, to our shame and loss, but don't know the process that went into undermining it to the point that its faculty either found better (sometimes really great!) positions at other universities and left town, or found more welcoming homes in other UIUC departments. How was it done? On 7/16/17 2:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:32 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China M and W were late-comers to studying the Fifth Column Israel Lobby and American Zionists--there were better exposes before them. See,e.g., Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, Israel and the American National Interest (University of Illinois Press--yes, I helped get them to publish it). If anything, M and W deliberately understated their Power. In addition, M and W dedicated the book to their Mentor that die-hard bigot, racist and warmonger Sam Huntington. The objection by M and W to the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists is that they all impede the better operations of American Imperialism around the world. M and W do not present a Principled Argument. Huntington was ahead of me in the PHD Program at Harvard. Many of us refused as a matter of principle to study with him because of his die-hard support for the Vietnam War. Obviously, that created no problems for M and W. Then came Huntington's Clash of Civilizations against the Arab/Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Then came Huntington's racist diatribe against Latinos published in Foreign Policy by the Ford Foundation--a front organization for the CIA. Etc. Etc. Etc. And it is an undeniable fact that the Local Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off this campus by pressuring the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Steve Salaita. These Local Zionists were able to destroy Salaita's entire career for a mere $800,000 in Illinois Taxpayer's money. No skin off their Nose. A Real Fifth Column indeed on this Campus and Nation-wide. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:54 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China No one doubts the influence of the Israel lobby, but there are other and more important lobbies influencing US policy, notably the lobby of ‘defense’ contractors. Mearsheimer and Walt’s "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” for all its insight, was an overstatement when it appeared a decade ago, and that hasn’t changed. Israel remains the client. —CGE On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. Some things don’t change. —CGE _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 22:45:56 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:45:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] how did the shameful ILLEGAL FIRING of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? Message-ID: The Campus/C-U Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. They also terrorized and intimidated Palestinians on this Campus. A Two’fer for their Bigotry and Racism. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:37 PM To: 'Stuart Levy' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Peace Discuss ; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: how did the shameful ILLEGAL FIRING of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? When it became clear that the University of Illiniwaks was not going to rehire the illegally fired Salaita because of Zionist Pressure, Native Americans picked up and left. The Native American Studies Program is now defunct—only in name. We have heard nothing from or about Native Americans on this Campus since Salaita. A Deafening Silence. After all the hard work we did to get rid of Chief Illiniwak and establish the Native American Studies Program as some sort of compensation for the University of Illiniwaks longstanding bigotry and racism against Native Americans going all the way back to when Charlene Teeters first called for the elimination of Chief Illiniwak. Kaput! Thanks to the Campus/CU Zionists pressure to illegally fire Salaita. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Stuart Levy [mailto:stuartnlevy at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:28 PM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Stuart Levy >; Peace Discuss >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: how did the shameful un-hiring of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? I'd still like to understand how the American Indian Studies program was destroyed. I know it was, to our shame and loss, but don't know the process that went into undermining it to the point that its faculty either found better (sometimes really great!) positions at other universities and left town, or found more welcoming homes in other UIUC departments. How was it done? On 7/16/17 2:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:32 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China M and W were late-comers to studying the Fifth Column Israel Lobby and American Zionists--there were better exposes before them. See,e.g., Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, Israel and the American National Interest (University of Illinois Press--yes, I helped get them to publish it). If anything, M and W deliberately understated their Power. In addition, M and W dedicated the book to their Mentor that die-hard bigot, racist and warmonger Sam Huntington. The objection by M and W to the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists is that they all impede the better operations of American Imperialism around the world. M and W do not present a Principled Argument. Huntington was ahead of me in the PHD Program at Harvard. Many of us refused as a matter of principle to study with him because of his die-hard support for the Vietnam War. Obviously, that created no problems for M and W. Then came Huntington's Clash of Civilizations against the Arab/Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Then came Huntington's racist diatribe against Latinos published in Foreign Policy by the Ford Foundation--a front organization for the CIA. Etc. Etc. Etc. And it is an undeniable fact that the Local Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off this campus by pressuring the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Steve Salaita. These Local Zionists were able to destroy Salaita's entire career for a mere $800,000 in Illinois Taxpayer's money. No skin off their Nose. A Real Fifth Column indeed on this Campus and Nation-wide. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:54 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China No one doubts the influence of the Israel lobby, but there are other and more important lobbies influencing US policy, notably the lobby of ‘defense’ contractors. Mearsheimer and Walt’s "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” for all its insight, was an overstatement when it appeared a decade ago, and that hasn’t changed. Israel remains the client. —CGE On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. Some things don’t change. —CGE _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 22:49:33 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:49:33 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] how did the shameful ILLEGAL FIRING of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? Message-ID: The C-U/Campus Zionists have always served as a Fifth Column for Israel on this Campus since my arrival here in July of 1978. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:46 PM To: 'Stuart Levy' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: 'Peace Discuss' ; 'prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net' Subject: RE: how did the shameful ILLEGAL FIRING of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? The Campus/C-U Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. They also terrorized and intimidated Palestinians on this Campus. A Two’fer for their Bigotry and Racism. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:37 PM To: 'Stuart Levy' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Peace Discuss >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: how did the shameful ILLEGAL FIRING of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? When it became clear that the University of Illiniwaks was not going to rehire the illegally fired Salaita because of Zionist Pressure, Native Americans picked up and left. The Native American Studies Program is now defunct—only in name. We have heard nothing from or about Native Americans on this Campus since Salaita. A Deafening Silence. After all the hard work we did to get rid of Chief Illiniwak and establish the Native American Studies Program as some sort of compensation for the University of Illiniwaks longstanding bigotry and racism against Native Americans going all the way back to when Charlene Teeters first called for the elimination of Chief Illiniwak. Kaput! Thanks to the Campus/CU Zionists pressure to illegally fire Salaita. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Stuart Levy [mailto:stuartnlevy at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:28 PM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Stuart Levy >; Peace Discuss >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: how did the shameful un-hiring of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? I'd still like to understand how the American Indian Studies program was destroyed. I know it was, to our shame and loss, but don't know the process that went into undermining it to the point that its faculty either found better (sometimes really great!) positions at other universities and left town, or found more welcoming homes in other UIUC departments. How was it done? On 7/16/17 2:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:32 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China M and W were late-comers to studying the Fifth Column Israel Lobby and American Zionists--there were better exposes before them. See,e.g., Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, Israel and the American National Interest (University of Illinois Press--yes, I helped get them to publish it). If anything, M and W deliberately understated their Power. In addition, M and W dedicated the book to their Mentor that die-hard bigot, racist and warmonger Sam Huntington. The objection by M and W to the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists is that they all impede the better operations of American Imperialism around the world. M and W do not present a Principled Argument. Huntington was ahead of me in the PHD Program at Harvard. Many of us refused as a matter of principle to study with him because of his die-hard support for the Vietnam War. Obviously, that created no problems for M and W. Then came Huntington's Clash of Civilizations against the Arab/Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Then came Huntington's racist diatribe against Latinos published in Foreign Policy by the Ford Foundation--a front organization for the CIA. Etc. Etc. Etc. And it is an undeniable fact that the Local Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off this campus by pressuring the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Steve Salaita. These Local Zionists were able to destroy Salaita's entire career for a mere $800,000 in Illinois Taxpayer's money. No skin off their Nose. A Real Fifth Column indeed on this Campus and Nation-wide. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:54 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China No one doubts the influence of the Israel lobby, but there are other and more important lobbies influencing US policy, notably the lobby of ‘defense’ contractors. Mearsheimer and Walt’s "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” for all its insight, was an overstatement when it appeared a decade ago, and that hasn’t changed. Israel remains the client. —CGE On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. Some things don’t change. —CGE _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 23:27:14 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:27:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] how did the shameful ILLEGAL FIRING of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And I have taught here full time since August 21, 1978. I have not visited elsewhere. I have not taken a Leave of Absence. I even stayed In Residence for all of my sabbaticals in order to write my books. During all that time the Campus/C-U Zionists have always served as a Fifth Column for Israel on this Campus. Salaita is only the Tip of the Zionist Iceberg on this Campus. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:50 PM To: Stuart Levy ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Peace Discuss ; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: how did the shameful ILLEGAL FIRING of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? The C-U/Campus Zionists have always served as a Fifth Column for Israel on this Campus since my arrival here in July of 1978. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:46 PM To: 'Stuart Levy' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: 'Peace Discuss' >; 'prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net' > Subject: RE: how did the shameful ILLEGAL FIRING of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? The Campus/C-U Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. They also terrorized and intimidated Palestinians on this Campus. A Two’fer for their Bigotry and Racism. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:37 PM To: 'Stuart Levy' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Peace Discuss >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: RE: how did the shameful ILLEGAL FIRING of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? When it became clear that the University of Illiniwaks was not going to rehire the illegally fired Salaita because of Zionist Pressure, Native Americans picked up and left. The Native American Studies Program is now defunct—only in name. We have heard nothing from or about Native Americans on this Campus since Salaita. A Deafening Silence. After all the hard work we did to get rid of Chief Illiniwak and establish the Native American Studies Program as some sort of compensation for the University of Illiniwaks longstanding bigotry and racism against Native Americans going all the way back to when Charlene Teeters first called for the elimination of Chief Illiniwak. Kaput! Thanks to the Campus/CU Zionists pressure to illegally fire Salaita. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Stuart Levy [mailto:stuartnlevy at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:28 PM To: Boyle, Francis A >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Stuart Levy >; Peace Discuss >; prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: how did the shameful un-hiring of Salaita lead to destruction of American Indian Studies? I'd still like to understand how the American Indian Studies program was destroyed. I know it was, to our shame and loss, but don't know the process that went into undermining it to the point that its faculty either found better (sometimes really great!) positions at other universities and left town, or found more welcoming homes in other UIUC departments. How was it done? On 7/16/17 2:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A via Peace-discuss wrote: The Local Zionists got the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Salaita, throw him, his wife and their baby out into the street with no visible means of support, destroyed his entire career as a professor, and ethnically cleansed Native Americans off of this Campus. That should prove to everyone how mean, nasty, vicious, cruel, ruthless and unprincipled Zionists really are. A Fifth Column for Israel wherever they go. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:32 PM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China M and W were late-comers to studying the Fifth Column Israel Lobby and American Zionists--there were better exposes before them. See,e.g., Professor Cheryl Rubenberg, Israel and the American National Interest (University of Illinois Press--yes, I helped get them to publish it). If anything, M and W deliberately understated their Power. In addition, M and W dedicated the book to their Mentor that die-hard bigot, racist and warmonger Sam Huntington. The objection by M and W to the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists is that they all impede the better operations of American Imperialism around the world. M and W do not present a Principled Argument. Huntington was ahead of me in the PHD Program at Harvard. Many of us refused as a matter of principle to study with him because of his die-hard support for the Vietnam War. Obviously, that created no problems for M and W. Then came Huntington's Clash of Civilizations against the Arab/Muslim World in order to steal their oil and gas. Then came Huntington's racist diatribe against Latinos published in Foreign Policy by the Ford Foundation--a front organization for the CIA. Etc. Etc. Etc. And it is an undeniable fact that the Local Zionists ethnically cleansed Native Americans off this campus by pressuring the University of Illiniwaks to illegally fire Steve Salaita. These Local Zionists were able to destroy Salaita's entire career for a mere $800,000 in Illinois Taxpayer's money. No skin off their Nose. A Real Fifth Column indeed on this Campus and Nation-wide. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:54 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China No one doubts the influence of the Israel lobby, but there are other and more important lobbies influencing US policy, notably the lobby of ‘defense’ contractors. Mearsheimer and Walt’s "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy,” for all its insight, was an overstatement when it appeared a decade ago, and that hasn’t changed. Israel remains the client. —CGE On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: Yeah Carl. Nobody is talking about the Massive Influence Israel and the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists have exerted to pervert and corrupt all of our elections, going all the way back to their pressuring Truman to pre-maturely recognize Israel in the first place. Russia has nothing like the Israel Lobby and the American Zionists. A real Fifth Column if there ever were one.Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:06 AM To: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Cc: peace ; Peace Discuss Subject: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Pepe Escobar, July 14: "Fascinating Macron/Trump presser at the Elysee ... Trump had very warm words for Xi - and Macron stressed the importance of being in synch with Putin in Syria…” The US political establishment’s hair stands on end in fright… The hysterical campaign to remove Trump from the presidency arises from the establishment’s fear that he will not continue the Obama-Clinton administration's war provocations against Russia and China. John Pilger wrote before the US election, "The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire." It is the bedrock principle of US foreign policy - stretching back into the 19th century (see “The Open Door”) - to oppose the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices, domestic or foreign - because that would be a challenge to the US elite's world economic hegemony. Some things don’t change. —CGE _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 23:33:12 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:33:12 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, 'Thoughts on Machiavelli," 1958.) 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular political parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present censorious meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and unscrupulous schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I politic? am I subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: >. 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls “the academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), perhaps we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy you North Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as someone I knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from Scarsdale to know how bad it is.”) —CGE > On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered the University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live > Fab. > D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign… > April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST LENGTH: 1826 words HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama BYLINE: Francis A Boyle It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. administration. These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its Department of Political Science for many years. The best exposé of Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's foremost protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur (NASDAQ:CNQR) completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the degradation of the American political process that has been inflicted by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss was a protégé of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft received his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law School in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of Injustice were members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian Federalist Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for establishing an American Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of the University of Chicago Law School Movement of oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, plundered, and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all over the developing world, especially People of Color, and now here in the United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" that was condemned by the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" of Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary benefit of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) that had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well as the Bush Family itself. Enron. Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist Christian supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal. According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 speech before the American Enterprise Institute (another front-organization for Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. hired about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his administration, intentionally taking offices where they could push American foreign policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen enemies such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Most of the Straussian Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere were and still are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles hold true for the not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon that was responsible for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media in order to generate public support for a war of aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil. To paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those willing to be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience as an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was another protégé of Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt), as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. In his Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom was and is still worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression against Iraq, the University of Chicago chose the occasion to officially celebrate its Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram Shulsky, A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is correct to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Hobbist, Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of Chicago would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert that Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli Chicago/Strauss/Bloom product such as Wolfowitz could care less about democracy in the United States let alone in Iraq? Or for that matter anyone in the Bush Jr. administration? After they stole the 2000 presidential election from the American People in Florida and before the Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were/are Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. For eight years the Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. administration did everything humanly possible to build an American Police State. So far University of Chicago Constitutional Law Teacher President Barack Obama has failed and refused to deconstruct and dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the contrary, the Obama administration has defended and justified in court almost every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to International Understanding" to Robert McNamara, who was personally responsible for exterminating 3 million Vietnamese and 58,000 men of my generation. In other words, the University of Chicago itself maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest international war criminals in the post-World War II era. History shall always record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they will grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians like Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University of Chicago once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best investment I ever made. Still is… ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 23:39:17 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:39:17 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, 'Thoughts on Machiavelli," 1958.) 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular political parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present censorious meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and unscrupulous schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I politic? am I subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: >. 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls “the academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), perhaps we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy you North Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as someone I knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from Scarsdale to know how bad it is.”) —CGE On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered the University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live Fab. D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign… April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST LENGTH: 1826 words HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama BYLINE: Francis A Boyle It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. administration. These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its Department of Political Science for many years. The best exposé of Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's foremost protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur (NASDAQ:CNQR) completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the degradation of the American political process that has been inflicted by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss was a protégé of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft received his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law School in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of Injustice were members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian Federalist Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for establishing an American Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of the University of Chicago Law School Movement of oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, plundered, and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all over the developing world, especially People of Color, and now here in the United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" that was condemned by the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" of Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary benefit of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) that had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well as the Bush Family itself. Enron. Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist Christian supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal. According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 speech before the American Enterprise Institute (another front-organization for Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. hired about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his administration, intentionally taking offices where they could push American foreign policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen enemies such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Most of the Straussian Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere were and still are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles hold true for the not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon that was responsible for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media in order to generate public support for a war of aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil. To paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those willing to be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience as an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was another protégé of Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt), as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. In his Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom was and is still worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression against Iraq, the University of Chicago chose the occasion to officially celebrate its Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram Shulsky, A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is correct to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Hobbist, Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of Chicago would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert that Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli Chicago/Strauss/Bloom product such as Wolfowitz could care less about democracy in the United States let alone in Iraq? Or for that matter anyone in the Bush Jr. administration? After they stole the 2000 presidential election from the American People in Florida and before the Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were/are Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. For eight years the Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. administration did everything humanly possible to build an American Police State. So far University of Chicago Constitutional Law Teacher President Barack Obama has failed and refused to deconstruct and dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the contrary, the Obama administration has defended and justified in court almost every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to International Understanding" to Robert McNamara, who was personally responsible for exterminating 3 million Vietnamese and 58,000 men of my generation. In other words, the University of Chicago itself maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest international war criminals in the post-World War II era. History shall always record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they will grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians like Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University of Chicago once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best investment I ever made. Still is… ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 23:42:15 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:42:15 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. > On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. > It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. > > 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, 'Thoughts on Machiavelli," 1958.) > > 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular political parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present censorious meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and unscrupulous schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I politic? am I subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) > > 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . > > 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. > > 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls “the academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), perhaps we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy you North Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as someone I knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from Scarsdale to know how bad it is.”) > > —CGE > > On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered the University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live > Fab. > D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign… > > > April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST > LENGTH: 1826 words > HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama > BYLINE: Francis A Boyle > > It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the terrible tragedy > of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli > Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire > to wage a war of aggression against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of > September 11th in order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had > nothing at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that made > no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, > and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. > administration. > > These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the > Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss who taught > political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its Department of Political > Science for many years. The best exposé of Strauss's pernicious theories on law, > politics, government, for elitism, and against democracy can be found in two > scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. > Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the American > Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in September of 1968 shortly > after Strauss had retired. But I was trained in Chicago's Political Science > Department by Strauss's foremost protégé, co-author, and later literary executor > Joseph Cropsey. > > Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political Science > Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur (NASDAQ:CNQR) > completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique of Strauss. I also agree > with her penetrating analysis of the degradation of the American political > process that has been inflicted by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss > was a protégé of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous > atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. > Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. > The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other students > to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so > many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or > towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. Years later, the University of > Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. > Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft received > his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law School in 1967. Many > of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of Injustice were members of the > right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and > totalitarian Federalist Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at > the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach > constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and the draft > for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for establishing an American > Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of Injustice's own F.B.I. is still > covering up the U.S. governmental origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax > attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the > U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. > > Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of the > University of Chicago Law School Movement of > oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded upon the > Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but long-time Professor of > Economics at the University of Chicago. Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have > raped, robbed, looted, plundered, and pillaged economies and their respective > peoples all over the developing world, especially People of Color, and now here > in the United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and charlatans > are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" that was condemned by > the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to Friedman's philosophy of Market > Fundamentalism, the "privatization" of Iraq and its Oil Industry are already > underway for the primary benefit of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton > (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) that had > already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well as the Bush Family > itself. Enron. > > Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" proved to > be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist Christian supporters, whose > pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie > himself. The Neo-Cons and the Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support > of Bush Jr. For their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand > to support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally > acknowledged war criminal. > > According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 speech > before the American Enterprise Institute (another front-organization for > Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. hired about 20 Straussians to occupy > key positions in his administration, intentionally taking offices where they > could push American foreign policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen > enemies such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Most of the > Straussian Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere were and still > are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" for the > United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles hold true for the > not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry > Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. > > In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli Neo-Cons who > set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon that was responsible > for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, deceptions, half-truths, and > sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. administration then disseminated to the > lap-dog U.S. news media in order to generate public support for a war of > aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's > oil. To paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter > XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those willing to > be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience as an alumnus of the > University of Chicago Department of Political Science, the Bible of Chicago's > Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know > our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. > > As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan Bloom's > The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was another protégé of > Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt), > as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. In his Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein > (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago Faculty, outed > his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, and most promiscuous > homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common knowledge at the University of > Chicago, where Bloom was and is still worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist > screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. > > In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, leaking > national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. > Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. > Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With friends like > Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz > warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. > > Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression against Iraq, > the University of Chicago chose the occasion to officially celebrate its > Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. > '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram Shulsky, A.M. '68, > Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" unit), Zalmay > Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for Afghanistan and then > Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, > Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. According to the June 2003 University of > Chicago Magazine, Bloom's rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of > democracy." It is correct to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize > Straussian "ideas," but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, > Hobbist, Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of Chicago > would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert that Strauss and > Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of > democracy." > > Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli Chicago/Strauss/Bloom product > such as Wolfowitz could care less about democracy in the United States let alone > in Iraq? Or for that matter anyone in the Bush Jr. administration? After they > stole the 2000 presidential election from the American People in Florida and > before the Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were/are > Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. For eight years the > Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. administration did > everything humanly possible to build an American Police State. So far University > of Chicago Constitutional Law Teacher President Barack Obama has failed and > refused to deconstruct and dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the > contrary, the Obama administration has defended and justified in court almost > every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on > international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. > Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. > > At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, in 1979 > the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant the "first Albert > Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to International Understanding" to > Robert McNamara, who was personally responsible for exterminating 3 million > Vietnamese and 58,000 men of my generation. In other words, the University of > Chicago itself maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest > international war criminals in the post-World War II era. History shall always > record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob > oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. > > Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they will grow up > to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians like Ashcroft! The > University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. > Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University of Chicago > once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best investment I ever made. Still > is… > > ### From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 23:46:11 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:46:11 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: That is irrelevant to my argument. All Straussians have been educated to take Machiavelli's The Prince quite seriously--and they do and they apply it. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:42 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. > On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue > US war provocations v. Russia and China > > 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. > It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. > > 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist > Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, 'Thoughts > on Machiavelli," 1958.) > > 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them > Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular political > parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present censorious > meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and unscrupulous > schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I politic? am I > subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) > > 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . > > 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. > > 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the > American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls “the > academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), perhaps > we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy you North > Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as someone I knew > said a half-century ago, "You have to be from Scarsdale to know how > bad it is.”) > > —CGE > > On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered the > University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live Fab. > D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign… > > > April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST > LENGTH: 1826 words > HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama > BYLINE: Francis A Boyle > > It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the > terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald > Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz > began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression > against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in > order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing at > all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that made no > difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. > administration. > > These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the > Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss > who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its > Department of Political Science for many years. The best exposé of > Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for > elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. > Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the > American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in > September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was trained > in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's foremost > protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. > > Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political > Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur > (NASDAQ:CNQR) completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique > of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the > degradation of the American political process that has been inflicted > by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss was a protégé of Nazi > Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. > Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. > The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other > students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is > precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards the > University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. > Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. > Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft > received his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law > School in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of > Injustice were members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, > reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian Federalist > Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at the Neo-Con > University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach > constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and > the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for > establishing an American Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of > Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental > origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. > > Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of > the University of Chicago Law School Movement of > oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded > upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but > long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. > Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, plundered, > and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all over the > developing world, especially People of Color, and now here in the > United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and > charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" > that was condemned by the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to > Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" of > Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary benefit > of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton > (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) that > had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well as the > Bush Family itself. Enron. > > Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" > proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist Christian > supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. > administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the > Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For > their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to > support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal. > > According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 > speech before the American Enterprise Institute (another > front-organization for Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. hired > about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his administration, > intentionally taking offices where they could push American foreign > policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen enemies such as Iraq, > Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Most of the Straussian > Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere were and still > are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" > for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles > hold true for the not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. > > In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli > Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon > that was responsible for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, > deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. > administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media in > order to generate public support for a war of aggression against Iraq > for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil. To > paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter > XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those > willing to be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience as > an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political > Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. > > As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan > Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was > another protégé of Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of Nazi > Law Professor Carl Schmitt), as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. In his > Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein > (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago > Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, > and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common > knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom was and is still > worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. > > In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, > leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. > Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. > Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With > friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of > Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. > > Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression > against Iraq, the University of Chicago chose the occasion to > officially celebrate its Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. > '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram Shulsky, > A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" > unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for > Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, > and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. > According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's > rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is correct > to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," > but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Hobbist, > Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of Chicago > would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert that > Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." > > Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli Chicago/Strauss/Bloom > product such as Wolfowitz could care less about democracy in the > United States let alone in Iraq? Or for that matter anyone in the Bush > Jr. administration? After they stole the 2000 presidential election > from the American People in Florida and before the > Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were/are > Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. For eight > years the Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. > administration did everything humanly possible to build an American > Police State. So far University of Chicago Constitutional Law Teacher > President Barack Obama has failed and refused to deconstruct and > dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the contrary, the Obama > administration has defended and justified in court almost every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. > Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. > > At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, > in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant > the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to > International Understanding" to Robert McNamara, who was personally > responsible for exterminating 3 million Vietnamese and 58,000 men of > my generation. In other words, the University of Chicago itself > maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest international > war criminals in the post-World War II era. History shall always > record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. > > Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they will > grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians like > Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. > Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University of > Chicago once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best investment I > ever made. Still is… > > ### From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 23:53:02 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:53:02 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Probably worthwhile to point out that they’ve been taken in by a murderous joke. Cf. ‘The Great Dictator’ (1940). ‘...among all the manuscripts of The Prince dating from Machiavelli's life-time (and it seems to have had a considerable circulation and to have been multiplied by professional copyists), we have never found the copy which should have had the best chance of preservation - I mean that copy, beautifully lettered on vellum and richly bound, presented with its dedication to the Medici prince. Not only is it absent from the Laurentian library now, there is no trace that it was ever there. There is no evidence that it ever existed. Probably Machiavelli figured that the joke was not worth the extra expense.” [G. Mattingly] > On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > That is irrelevant to my argument. All Straussians have been educated to take Machiavelli's The Prince quite seriously--and they do and they apply it. fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:42 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >> US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. >> It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. >> >> 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist >> Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, 'Thoughts >> on Machiavelli," 1958.) >> >> 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them >> Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular political >> parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present censorious >> meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and unscrupulous >> schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I politic? am I >> subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) >> >> 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . >> >> 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. >> >> 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the >> American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls “the >> academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), perhaps >> we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy you North >> Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as someone I knew >> said a half-century ago, "You have to be from Scarsdale to know how >> bad it is.”) >> >> —CGE >> >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered the >> University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live Fab. >> D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign… >> >> >> April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST >> LENGTH: 1826 words >> HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama >> BYLINE: Francis A Boyle >> >> It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the >> terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald >> Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz >> began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression >> against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in >> order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing at >> all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that made no >> difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. >> administration. >> >> These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the >> Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss >> who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its >> Department of Political Science for many years. The best exposé of >> Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for >> elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. >> Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the >> American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in >> September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was trained >> in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's foremost >> protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. >> >> Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political >> Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur >> (NASDAQ:CNQR) completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique >> of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the >> degradation of the American political process that has been inflicted >> by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss was a protégé of Nazi >> Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. >> Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. >> The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other >> students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is >> precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards the >> University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. >> Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. >> Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft >> received his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law >> School in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of >> Injustice were members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, >> reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian Federalist >> Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at the Neo-Con >> University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach >> constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and >> the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for >> establishing an American Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of >> Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental >> origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. >> >> Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of >> the University of Chicago Law School Movement of >> oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded >> upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but >> long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. >> Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, plundered, >> and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all over the >> developing world, especially People of Color, and now here in the >> United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and >> charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" >> that was condemned by the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to >> Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" of >> Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary benefit >> of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton >> (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) that >> had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well as the >> Bush Family itself. Enron. >> >> Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" >> proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist Christian >> supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. >> administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the >> Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For >> their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to >> support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal. >> >> According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 >> speech before the American Enterprise Institute (another >> front-organization for Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. hired >> about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his administration, >> intentionally taking offices where they could push American foreign >> policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen enemies such as Iraq, >> Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Most of the Straussian >> Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere were and still >> are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" >> for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles >> hold true for the not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. >> >> In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli >> Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon >> that was responsible for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, >> deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. >> administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media in >> order to generate public support for a war of aggression against Iraq >> for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil. To >> paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter >> XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those >> willing to be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience as >> an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political >> Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. >> >> As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan >> Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was >> another protégé of Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of Nazi >> Law Professor Carl Schmitt), as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. In his >> Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein >> (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago >> Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, >> and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common >> knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom was and is still >> worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. >> >> In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, >> leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. >> Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. >> Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With >> friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of >> Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. >> >> Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression >> against Iraq, the University of Chicago chose the occasion to >> officially celebrate its Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. >> '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram Shulsky, >> A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" >> unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for >> Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, >> and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. >> According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's >> rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is correct >> to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," >> but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Hobbist, >> Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of Chicago >> would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert that >> Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." >> >> Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli Chicago/Strauss/Bloom >> product such as Wolfowitz could care less about democracy in the >> United States let alone in Iraq? Or for that matter anyone in the Bush >> Jr. administration? After they stole the 2000 presidential election >> from the American People in Florida and before the >> Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were/are >> Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. For eight >> years the Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. >> administration did everything humanly possible to build an American >> Police State. So far University of Chicago Constitutional Law Teacher >> President Barack Obama has failed and refused to deconstruct and >> dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the contrary, the Obama >> administration has defended and justified in court almost every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. >> Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. >> >> At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, >> in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant >> the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to >> International Understanding" to Robert McNamara, who was personally >> responsible for exterminating 3 million Vietnamese and 58,000 men of >> my generation. In other words, the University of Chicago itself >> maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest international >> war criminals in the post-World War II era. History shall always >> record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. >> >> Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they will >> grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians like >> Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. >> Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University of >> Chicago once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best investment I >> ever made. Still is… >> >> ### > From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 16 23:58:47 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:58:47 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I spent ten years (1968-1978) studying Philosophy, Jurisprudence and Political Philosophy at the University of Chicago, Harvard Law School and the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences where I got my PHD in Political Science--the No. 1 Ranked Program in the country. My PHD Examiner in Political Philosophy was Judith Shklar. Not one professor I ever had dismissed Machiavelli's The Prince as a "joke" or a "parody." Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:53 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Probably worthwhile to point out that they’ve been taken in by a murderous joke. Cf. ‘The Great Dictator’ (1940). ‘...among all the manuscripts of The Prince dating from Machiavelli's life-time (and it seems to have had a considerable circulation and to have been multiplied by professional copyists), we have never found the copy which should have had the best chance of preservation - I mean that copy, beautifully lettered on vellum and richly bound, presented with its dedication to the Medici prince. Not only is it absent from the Laurentian library now, there is no trace that it was ever there. There is no evidence that it ever existed. Probably Machiavelli figured that the joke was not worth the extra expense.” [G. Mattingly] > On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > That is irrelevant to my argument. All Straussians have been educated to take Machiavelli's The Prince quite seriously--and they do and they apply it. fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:42 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue > US war provocations v. Russia and China > > I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >> US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. >> It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. >> >> 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist >> Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, 'Thoughts >> on Machiavelli," 1958.) >> >> 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them >> Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular political >> parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present censorious >> meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and unscrupulous >> schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I politic? am I >> subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) >> >> 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . >> >> 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. >> >> 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the >> American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls “the >> academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), perhaps >> we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy you North >> Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as someone I >> knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from Scarsdale to know >> how bad it is.”) >> >> —CGE >> >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered the >> University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live Fab. >> D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign… >> >> >> April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST >> LENGTH: 1826 words >> HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama >> BYLINE: Francis A Boyle >> >> It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the >> terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald >> Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz >> began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression >> against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in >> order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing >> at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that >> made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. >> administration. >> >> These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the >> Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss >> who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its >> Department of Political Science for many years. The best exposé of >> Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for >> elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. >> Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the >> American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in >> September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was >> trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's >> foremost protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. >> >> Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's >> Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I >> concur >> (NASDAQ:CNQR) completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique >> of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the >> degradation of the American political process that has been inflicted >> by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss was a protégé of Nazi >> Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. >> Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. >> The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other >> students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is >> precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards >> the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. >> Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. >> Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft >> received his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law >> School in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of >> Injustice were members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, >> reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian Federalist >> Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at the Neo-Con >> University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach >> constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and >> the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for >> establishing an American Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of >> Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental >> origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. >> >> Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of >> the University of Chicago Law School Movement of >> oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded >> upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but >> long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. >> Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, >> plundered, and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all >> over the developing world, especially People of Color, and now here >> in the United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and >> charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" >> that was condemned by the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to >> Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" >> of Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary >> benefit of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton >> (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) >> that had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well >> as the Bush Family itself. Enron. >> >> Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" >> proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist >> Christian supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. >> administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the >> Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For >> their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to >> support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal. >> >> According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 >> speech before the American Enterprise Institute (another >> front-organization for Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. hired >> about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his administration, >> intentionally taking offices where they could push American foreign >> policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen enemies such as >> Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Most of the >> Straussian Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere were >> and still are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" >> for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles >> hold true for the not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. >> >> In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli >> Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon >> that was responsible for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, >> deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. >> administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media in >> order to generate public support for a war of aggression against Iraq >> for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil. To >> paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter >> XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those >> willing to be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience >> as an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political >> Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. >> >> As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan >> Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was >> another protégé of Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of >> Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt), as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. >> In his Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein >> (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago >> Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, >> and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common >> knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom was and is still >> worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. >> >> In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, >> leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. >> Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. >> Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With >> friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of >> Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. >> >> Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression >> against Iraq, the University of Chicago chose the occasion to >> officially celebrate its Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. >> '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram >> Shulsky, A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" >> unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for >> Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, >> and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. >> According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's >> rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is >> correct to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," >> but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Hobbist, >> Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of >> Chicago would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert >> that Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." >> >> Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli >> Chicago/Strauss/Bloom product such as Wolfowitz could care less about >> democracy in the United States let alone in Iraq? Or for that matter >> anyone in the Bush Jr. administration? After they stole the 2000 >> presidential election from the American People in Florida and before >> the Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were/are >> Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. For eight >> years the Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. >> administration did everything humanly possible to build an American >> Police State. So far University of Chicago Constitutional Law Teacher >> President Barack Obama has failed and refused to deconstruct and >> dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the contrary, the Obama >> administration has defended and justified in court almost every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. >> Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. >> >> At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, >> in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant >> the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to >> International Understanding" to Robert McNamara, who was personally >> responsible for exterminating 3 million Vietnamese and 58,000 men of >> my generation. In other words, the University of Chicago itself >> maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest international >> war criminals in the post-World War II era. History shall always >> record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. >> >> Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they >> will grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians >> like Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. >> Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University >> of Chicago once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best >> investment I ever made. Still is… >> >> ### > From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 00:12:54 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:12:54 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: You should have come over to the History Department. As we say on News form Neptune, the poets often get there first. > On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > I spent ten years (1968-1978) studying Philosophy, Jurisprudence and Political Philosophy at the University of Chicago, Harvard Law School and the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences where I got my PHD in Political Science--the No. 1 Ranked Program in the country. My PHD Examiner in Political Philosophy was Judith Shklar. Not one professor I ever had dismissed Machiavelli's The Prince as a "joke" or a "parody." Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:53 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > Probably worthwhile to point out that they’ve been taken in by a murderous joke. Cf. ‘The Great Dictator’ (1940). > > ‘...among all the manuscripts of The Prince dating from Machiavelli's life-time (and it seems to have had a considerable circulation and to have been multiplied by professional copyists), we have never found the copy which should have had the best chance of preservation - I mean that copy, beautifully lettered on vellum and richly bound, presented with its dedication to the Medici prince. Not only is it absent from the Laurentian library now, there is no trace that it was ever there. There is no evidence that it ever existed. Probably Machiavelli figured that the joke was not worth the extra expense.” [G. Mattingly] > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> That is irrelevant to my argument. All Straussians have been educated to take Machiavelli's The Prince quite seriously--and they do and they apply it. fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:42 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >> US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. >> >> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >>> US war provocations v. Russia and China >>> >>> 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. >>> It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. >>> >>> 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist >>> Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, 'Thoughts >>> on Machiavelli," 1958.) >>> >>> 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them >>> Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular political >>> parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present censorious >>> meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and unscrupulous >>> schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I politic? am I >>> subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) >>> >>> 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . >>> >>> 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. >>> >>> 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the >>> American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls “the >>> academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), perhaps >>> we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy you North >>> Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as someone I >>> knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from Scarsdale to know >>> how bad it is.”) >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered the >>> University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live Fab. >>> D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign… >>> >>> >>> April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST >>> LENGTH: 1826 words >>> HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama >>> BYLINE: Francis A Boyle >>> >>> It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the >>> terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald >>> Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz >>> began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression >>> against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in >>> order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing >>> at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that >>> made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. >>> administration. >>> >>> These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the >>> Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss >>> who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its >>> Department of Political Science for many years. The best exposé of >>> Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for >>> elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. >>> Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the >>> American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in >>> September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was >>> trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's >>> foremost protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. >>> >>> Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's >>> Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I >>> concur >>> (NASDAQ:CNQR) completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique >>> of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the >>> degradation of the American political process that has been inflicted >>> by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss was a protégé of Nazi >>> Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. >>> Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. >>> The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other >>> students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is >>> precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards >>> the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. >>> Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. >>> Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft >>> received his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law >>> School in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of >>> Injustice were members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, >>> reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian Federalist >>> Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at the Neo-Con >>> University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach >>> constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and >>> the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for >>> establishing an American Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of >>> Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental >>> origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. >>> >>> Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of >>> the University of Chicago Law School Movement of >>> oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded >>> upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but >>> long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. >>> Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, >>> plundered, and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all >>> over the developing world, especially People of Color, and now here >>> in the United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and >>> charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" >>> that was condemned by the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to >>> Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" >>> of Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary >>> benefit of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton >>> (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) >>> that had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well >>> as the Bush Family itself. Enron. >>> >>> Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" >>> proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist >>> Christian supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. >>> administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the >>> Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For >>> their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to >>> support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal. >>> >>> According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 >>> speech before the American Enterprise Institute (another >>> front-organization for Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. hired >>> about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his administration, >>> intentionally taking offices where they could push American foreign >>> policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen enemies such as >>> Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Most of the >>> Straussian Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere were >>> and still are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" >>> for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles >>> hold true for the not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. >>> >>> In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli >>> Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon >>> that was responsible for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, >>> deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. >>> administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media in >>> order to generate public support for a war of aggression against Iraq >>> for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil. To >>> paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter >>> XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those >>> willing to be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience >>> as an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political >>> Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. >>> >>> As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan >>> Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was >>> another protégé of Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of >>> Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt), as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. >>> In his Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein >>> (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago >>> Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, >>> and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common >>> knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom was and is still >>> worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. >>> >>> In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, >>> leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. >>> Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. >>> Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With >>> friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of >>> Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. >>> >>> Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression >>> against Iraq, the University of Chicago chose the occasion to >>> officially celebrate its Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. >>> '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram >>> Shulsky, A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" >>> unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for >>> Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, >>> and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. >>> According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's >>> rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is >>> correct to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," >>> but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Hobbist, >>> Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of >>> Chicago would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert >>> that Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." >>> >>> Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli >>> Chicago/Strauss/Bloom product such as Wolfowitz could care less about >>> democracy in the United States let alone in Iraq? Or for that matter >>> anyone in the Bush Jr. administration? After they stole the 2000 >>> presidential election from the American People in Florida and before >>> the Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were/are >>> Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. For eight >>> years the Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. >>> administration did everything humanly possible to build an American >>> Police State. So far University of Chicago Constitutional Law Teacher >>> President Barack Obama has failed and refused to deconstruct and >>> dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the contrary, the Obama >>> administration has defended and justified in court almost every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. >>> Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. >>> >>> At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, >>> in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant >>> the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to >>> International Understanding" to Robert McNamara, who was personally >>> responsible for exterminating 3 million Vietnamese and 58,000 men of >>> my generation. In other words, the University of Chicago itself >>> maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest international >>> war criminals in the post-World War II era. History shall always >>> record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. >>> >>> Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they >>> will grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians >>> like Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. >>> Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University >>> of Chicago once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best >>> investment I ever made. Still is… >>> >>> ### >> > From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 00:49:50 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:49:50 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <72C923AC-CBBB-4C92-96AE-EE1418D744B0@illinois.edu> I spent those years teaching at Notre Dame and Brown (and finishing a PhD in history). Mattingly taught at Columbia. My friends and I had Shklar and her colleagues as teachers, but I think I probably learnt more from having to try to unfold the mysteries of the tradition to undergraduates. > On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > I spent ten years (1968-1978) studying Philosophy, Jurisprudence and Political Philosophy at the University of Chicago, Harvard Law School and the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences where I got my PHD in Political Science--the No. 1 Ranked Program in the country. My PHD Examiner in Political Philosophy was Judith Shklar. Not one professor I ever had dismissed Machiavelli's The Prince as a "joke" or a "parody." Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:53 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > Probably worthwhile to point out that they’ve been taken in by a murderous joke. Cf. ‘The Great Dictator’ (1940). > > ‘...among all the manuscripts of The Prince dating from Machiavelli's life-time (and it seems to have had a considerable circulation and to have been multiplied by professional copyists), we have never found the copy which should have had the best chance of preservation - I mean that copy, beautifully lettered on vellum and richly bound, presented with its dedication to the Medici prince. Not only is it absent from the Laurentian library now, there is no trace that it was ever there. There is no evidence that it ever existed. Probably Machiavelli figured that the joke was not worth the extra expense.” [G. Mattingly] > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> That is irrelevant to my argument. All Straussians have been educated to take Machiavelli's The Prince quite seriously--and they do and they apply it. fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:42 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >> US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. >> >> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >>> US war provocations v. Russia and China >>> >>> 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. >>> It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. >>> >>> 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist >>> Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, 'Thoughts >>> on Machiavelli," 1958.) >>> >>> 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them >>> Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular political >>> parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present censorious >>> meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and unscrupulous >>> schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I politic? am I >>> subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) >>> >>> 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . >>> >>> 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. >>> >>> 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the >>> American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls “the >>> academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), perhaps >>> we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy you North >>> Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as someone I >>> knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from Scarsdale to know >>> how bad it is.”) >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered the >>> University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live Fab. >>> D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign… >>> >>> >>> April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST >>> LENGTH: 1826 words >>> HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama >>> BYLINE: Francis A Boyle >>> >>> It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the >>> terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald >>> Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz >>> began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression >>> against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in >>> order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing >>> at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that >>> made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. >>> administration. >>> >>> These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the >>> Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss >>> who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its >>> Department of Political Science for many years. The best exposé of >>> Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for >>> elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. >>> Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and the >>> American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in >>> September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was >>> trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's >>> foremost protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. >>> >>> Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's >>> Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I >>> concur >>> (NASDAQ:CNQR) completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique >>> of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the >>> degradation of the American political process that has been inflicted >>> by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss was a protégé of Nazi >>> Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. >>> Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. >>> The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other >>> students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is >>> precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards >>> the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. >>> Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. >>> Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft >>> received his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law >>> School in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of >>> Injustice were members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, >>> reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian Federalist >>> Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at the Neo-Con >>> University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach >>> constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and >>> the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for >>> establishing an American Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of >>> Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental >>> origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. >>> >>> Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members of >>> the University of Chicago Law School Movement of >>> oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was founded >>> upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now retired but >>> long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. >>> Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, >>> plundered, and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all >>> over the developing world, especially People of Color, and now here >>> in the United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and >>> charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" >>> that was condemned by the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to >>> Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" >>> of Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary >>> benefit of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton >>> (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) >>> that had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well >>> as the Bush Family itself. Enron. >>> >>> Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" >>> proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist >>> Christian supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. >>> administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the >>> Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For >>> their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to >>> support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal. >>> >>> According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 >>> speech before the American Enterprise Institute (another >>> front-organization for Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. hired >>> about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his administration, >>> intentionally taking offices where they could push American foreign >>> policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen enemies such as >>> Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. Most of the >>> Straussian Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and elsewhere were >>> and still are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" >>> for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles >>> hold true for the not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. >>> >>> In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli >>> Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the Pentagon >>> that was responsible for manufacturing many of the bald-faced lies, >>> deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. >>> administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media in >>> order to generate public support for a war of aggression against Iraq >>> for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil. To >>> paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter >>> XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those >>> willing to be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience >>> as an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political >>> Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. >>> >>> As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan >>> Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was >>> another protégé of Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of >>> Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt), as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. >>> In his Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein >>> (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago >>> Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, >>> and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was common >>> knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom was and is still >>> worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. >>> >>> In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, >>> leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. >>> Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. >>> Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With >>> friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of >>> Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. >>> >>> Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression >>> against Iraq, the University of Chicago chose the occasion to >>> officially celebrate its Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. >>> '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram >>> Shulsky, A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" >>> unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for >>> Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X '39, >>> and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. >>> According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's >>> rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is >>> correct to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," >>> but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Hobbist, >>> Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of >>> Chicago would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert >>> that Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." >>> >>> Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli >>> Chicago/Strauss/Bloom product such as Wolfowitz could care less about >>> democracy in the United States let alone in Iraq? Or for that matter >>> anyone in the Bush Jr. administration? After they stole the 2000 >>> presidential election from the American People in Florida and before >>> the Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom were/are >>> Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. For eight >>> years the Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. >>> administration did everything humanly possible to build an American >>> Police State. So far University of Chicago Constitutional Law Teacher >>> President Barack Obama has failed and refused to deconstruct and >>> dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the contrary, the Obama >>> administration has defended and justified in court almost every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. >>> Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. >>> >>> At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science Department, >>> in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its way to grant >>> the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding Contributions to >>> International Understanding" to Robert McNamara, who was personally >>> responsible for exterminating 3 million Vietnamese and 58,000 men of >>> my generation. In other words, the University of Chicago itself >>> maliciously strove to rehabilitate one of the greatest international >>> war criminals in the post-World War II era. History shall always >>> record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. >>> >>> Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they >>> will grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians >>> like Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. >>> Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University >>> of Chicago once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best >>> investment I ever made. Still is… >>> >>> ### >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 02:16:52 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 02:16:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: As a matter of fact, I spent a lot of time at the History Department. I offered Russian History on my PHD Oral/General Exams with Ned Keenan as my Examiner in Russian History. Ned was the leading Professor of Russian History at Harvard for a generation. RIP. He recommended me for my law professorship. Fab. POEMS AGAINST THE EMPIRE by Francis A. Boyle © Copyright 2017 by Francis A. Boyle. All rights reserved. “And those who have chosen the portion of injustice, and tyranny and violence shall pass into wolves or into hawks and kits—whither else shall we suppose them to go?” ---Socrates “To describe their character in a word, one might truly say that they were born into the world to take no rest themselves and to give none to others.” ---Thucydides   FOREWORD When I was a Senior in high school during the 1967-1968 academic year, I wrote poetry in Latin. The next year I entered college in order to study math and science and the liberal arts. Since my Father was a lawyer, I knew I could study whatever I wanted to in college and still go to law school afterwards. For the next ten years (1968-1978) I was a student at the University of Chicago and Harvard. I started as a tenure-track Assistant Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law on August 21, 1978. In 2010 I was appointed a Professor in the Unit for Criticism and Interpretive Theory in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. So after a forty-two year hiatus, I decided to return to writing poetry. Better late than never! Poetry, Love, Music, and Art always stand against any empire. Because of my strident opposition to the Vietnam War, I decided to fight the American empire at the end of May 1967 soon after I had turned seventeen. I knew there would be more Vietnams and I intended to stop them! Set forth below are my poetic reflections upon the last fifty years of doing precisely that and more. F.A.B. Francis A. Boyle (far left) on the floor of the International Court of Justice on 1 April 1993, squaring off against his adversary Shabtai Rosenne from Israel (far right) representing Yugoslavia, just before he argued and then won the first of his two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention on April 8, 1993 and then again on September 13, 1993. This was the first time ever that any Government or Lawyer had won two such Orders in one case since the World Court was founded in 1921. On August 5, 1993, he also won an Article 74(4) Order from the World Court to the same effect. Under Article 74(4) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, when the Full Court is not in Session, the President of the Court exercises the Full Powers of the Court and can issue an Order that is binding upon the states parties in a case. ABOUT THE AUTHOR Francis A. Boyle is a Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law and also a Professor in the Unit for Criticism and Interpretive Theory in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. He holds a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard Law School and an A.M. and Ph.D. in Political Science from the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government. He was an Associate at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs and a Teaching Fellow in the Harvard College. He also practiced law with the Boston firm of Bingham, Dana & Gould doing primarily international tax and tax with some corporate transactions work. He currently teaches courses on International Law, International Human Rights Law, the Constitutional Law of U.S. Foreign Affairs, and Jurisprudence, having previously taught courses on Criminal Law, International Organizations, Latinos and the Law, and World Politics and International Law. He was the Parhad Lecturer at the Faculty of Medicine for the University of Calgary in Canada in 2001. He was the Bertrand Russell Peace Lecturer at McMaster University in Canada in 2007. He has written 20 books dealing with world politics, international law, human rights, American foreign policy, the Middle East, Iraq, Bosnia, Ireland, Puerto Rico, Native Hawaiians, Tamils, Palestine, Libya, defending civil and G.I. resistors, nuclear weapons, biological warfare, etc. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention of 1972 known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 that was passed unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George Bush Sr. He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International U.S.A for four years. He served as Legal Advisor to Chairman Yasser Arafat and the Palestine Liberation Organization on the Palestinian Declaration of Independence of November 15, 1988 and its creation of the State of Palestine that is now a United Nations Observer State. From 1991 to 1993 he served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations and its Chair Dr. Haidar Abdul Shaffi who instructed him to draft the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. In 1993 he represented the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina before the International Court of Justice where he won two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of Bosnia against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. He also represented the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina at the Owen-Stoltenberg “Peace” Negotiations in Geneva in 1993 where he prevented Bosnia’s destruction as a State and saved its membership in the United Nations Organization. He was Attorney of Record for the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrina before the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia and secured the indictment of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic for every crime in the I.C.T.Y. Statute including two counts of genocide: one for Srebrenica and the second for Bosnia in general. He started the Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel in 2000 and became D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign in 2005.   INDEX TO POEMS Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 7:13 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China You should have come over to the History Department. As we say on News form Neptune, the poets often get there first. > On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > I spent ten years (1968-1978) studying Philosophy, Jurisprudence and Political Philosophy at the University of Chicago, Harvard Law School and the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences where I got my PHD in Political Science--the No. 1 Ranked Program in the country. My PHD Examiner in Political Philosophy was Judith Shklar. Not one professor I ever had dismissed Machiavelli's The Prince as a "joke" or a "parody." Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:53 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue > US war provocations v. Russia and China > > Probably worthwhile to point out that they’ve been taken in by a murderous joke. Cf. ‘The Great Dictator’ (1940). > > ‘...among all the manuscripts of The Prince dating from Machiavelli's > life-time (and it seems to have had a considerable circulation and to > have been multiplied by professional copyists), we have never found > the copy which should have had the best chance of preservation - I > mean that copy, beautifully lettered on vellum and richly bound, > presented with its dedication to the Medici prince. Not only is it > absent from the Laurentian library now, there is no trace that it was > ever there. There is no evidence that it ever existed. Probably > Machiavelli figured that the joke was not worth the extra expense.” > [G. Mattingly] > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> That is irrelevant to my argument. All Straussians have been educated to take Machiavelli's The Prince quite seriously--and they do and they apply it. fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:42 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >> US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. >> >> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >>> US war provocations v. Russia and China >>> >>> 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. >>> It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. >>> >>> 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist >>> Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, >>> 'Thoughts on Machiavelli," 1958.) >>> >>> 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them >>> Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular political >>> parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present censorious >>> meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and unscrupulous >>> schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I politic? am I >>> subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) >>> >>> 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . >>> >>> 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. >>> >>> 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the >>> American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls >>> “the academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), >>> perhaps we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy >>> you North Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as >>> someone I knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from >>> Scarsdale to know how bad it is.”) >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:54 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> I have been fighting Zionists all over the world since I entered >>> the University of Chicago in 1968. Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live Fab. >>> D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign… >>> >>> >>> April 3, 2010 Saturday 9:07 AM EST >>> LENGTH: 1826 words >>> HEADLINE: Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies & Con-Artists: Bush to Obama >>> BYLINE: Francis A Boyle >>> >>> It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the >>> terrible tragedy of 11 September 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald >>> Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli Neo-Conservative Deputy Paul Wolfowitz >>> began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression >>> against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in >>> order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing >>> at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda. But that >>> made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, their Undersecretary of War Douglas Feith, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-Cons inhabiting the Bush Jr. >>> administration. >>> >>> These pro-Israeli Neo-Cons had been schooled in the >>> Machiavellian/Hobbist/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss >>> who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in its >>> Department of Political Science for many years. The best exposé of >>> Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for >>> elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor of Political Philosophy Shadia B. >>> Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (1988); Leo Strauss and >>> the American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in >>> September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was >>> trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's >>> foremost protégé, co-author, and later literary executor Joseph Cropsey. >>> >>> Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's >>> Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I >>> concur >>> (NASDAQ:CNQR) completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique >>> of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the >>> degradation of the American political process that has been >>> inflicted by Chicago's Straussian Neo-Con cabal. Strauss was a >>> protégé of Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt, who justified every hideous atrocity that Hitler and the Nazis inflicted on anyone, including the Jews. >>> Chicagos Neo-Cons are Neo-Nazis. >>> The University of Chicago routinely trained me and innumerable other >>> students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is >>> precisely why so many neophyte Neo-Con students gravitated towards >>> the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. >>> Years later, the University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. >>> Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft >>> received his law degree from the Neo-Con University of Chicago Law >>> School in 1967. Many of his lawyers at the Bush Jr. Department of >>> Injustice were members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, >>> reactionary, elitist, war-mongering, and totalitarian Federalist >>> Society (A.K.A.:"Feddies"), which originated in part at the Neo-Con >>> University of Chicago Law School. There Barack Obama would teach >>> constitutional law. Feddies wrote the USA Patriot Act (USAPA) I and >>> the draft for USAPA II, which constitute the blueprints for >>> establishing an American Police State. Meanwhile, the Department of >>> Injustice's own F.B.I. is still covering up the U.S. governmental >>> origins of the post 11 September 2001 anthrax attacks on Washington D.C. that enabled Ashcroft and his Feddies to stampede the U.S. Congress into passing USAPA I into law. >>> >>> Integrally related to and overlapping with the Feddies are members >>> of the University of Chicago Law School Movement of >>> oeLaw-and-Kick-Them-in-the-Groin-Economics, which in turn was >>> founded upon the Market Fundamentalism of Milton Friedman, now >>> retired but long-time Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. >>> Friedman and his "Chicago Boys" have raped, robbed, looted, >>> plundered, and pillaged economies and their respective peoples all >>> over the developing world, especially People of Color, and now here >>> in the United States. This Chicago gang of academic con-artists and >>> charlatans are proponents of the Nazi Doctrine of "useless eaters" >>> that was condemned by the Nuremberg Judgment (1946). Pursuant to >>> Friedman's philosophy of Market Fundamentalism, the "privatization" >>> of Iraq and its Oil Industry are already underway for the primary >>> benefit of the U.S. energy companies (e.g., Halliburton >>> (NYSE:HAL) , formerly under Bush Jr.s Vice President Dick Cheney) >>> that had already interpenetrated the Bush Jr. administration as well >>> as the Bush Family itself. Enron. >>> >>> Although miseducated at Yale and Harvard Business School, the "Ivies" >>> proved to be too liberal for Bush Jr. and his fundamentalist >>> Christian supporters, whose pointman and spearcarrier in the Bush Jr. >>> administration was Ashcroft, a Fundie himself. The Neo-Cons and the >>> Fundies contracted an "unholy alliance" in support of Bush Jr. For >>> their own different reasons, both gangs also worked hand-in-hand to >>> support Israel's genocidal Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, an internationally acknowledged war criminal. >>> >>> According to his own public estimate and boast in a 26 February 2003 >>> speech before the American Enterprise Institute (another >>> front-organization for Straussian Neo-Cons), President Bush Jr. >>> hired about 20 Straussians to occupy key positions in his >>> administration, intentionally taking offices where they could push >>> American foreign policy in favor of Israel and against its chosen >>> enemies such as Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinians. >>> Most of the Straussian Neo-Cons in the Bush Jr. administration and >>> elsewhere were and still are Israel-firsters: What is "good" for Israel is by definition "good" >>> for the United States. Dual loyalties indeed. These same principles >>> hold true for the not-so-closet Neo-Cons in the Obama administration: e.g., Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, Elena Kagan, Dennis Ross, Cass Sunstein, etc. >>> >>> In addition, it was the Chicago Straussian cabal of pro-Israeli >>> Neo-Cons who set up a special "intelligence" unit within the >>> Pentagon that was responsible for manufacturing many of the >>> bald-faced lies, deceptions, half-truths, and sheer propaganda that the Bush Jr. >>> administration then disseminated to the lap-dog U.S. news media in >>> order to generate public support for a war of aggression against >>> Iraq for the benefit of Israel and in order to steal Iraq's oil. To >>> paraphrase advice Machiavelli once rendered to his Prince in Chapter >>> XVIII of that book: Those who want to deceive will always find those >>> willing to be deceived. As I can attest from my personal experience >>> as an alumnus of the University of Chicago Department of Political >>> Science, the Bible of Chicago's Neo-Con Straussian cabal is Machiavelli's The Prince. We students had to know our Machiavelli by heart and rote at the University of Chicago. >>> >>> As for the University of Chicago overall, its New Testament is Allan >>> Bloom's The Closing of the American Mind (1987). Of course Bloom was >>> another protégé of Strauss (and thus the intellectual grandson of >>> Nazi Law Professor Carl Schmitt), as well as a mentor to Wolfowitz. >>> In his Bloom-biographical novel Ravelstein >>> (2000) Saul Bellow, longtime member of the University of Chicago >>> Faculty, outed his self-styled friend Bloom as a hedonist, pederast, >>> and most promiscuous homosexual who died of AIDS. All this was >>> common knowledge at the University of Chicago, where Bloom was and >>> is still worshiped on a pedestal and his elitist screed against democratic education in America still revered as gospel truth. >>> >>> In Ravelstein Wolfowitz appeared as Bloom's protégé Philip Gorman, >>> leaking national security secrets to his mentor during the Bush Sr. war against Iraq. >>> Strauss hovered around the novel as Bloom's mentor and guru Professor Davarr. >>> Strauss/Davarr is really the eminence grise of Ravelstein. With >>> friends like Bellow, Bloom did not need enemies. On the basis of >>> Ravelstein alone, Wolfowitz warranted criminal investigation by the F.B.I. >>> >>> Immediately after the Bush Jr. administrations wanton aggression >>> against Iraq, the University of Chicago chose the occasion to >>> officially celebrate its Straussian Neo-Con cabal responsible therefore, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. >>> '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69 (the CIA's Iraqi puppet), Abram >>> Shulsky, A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72 (head of the Pentagon's special "intelligence" >>> unit), Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79 (Bush Jr.'s roving pro-consul for >>> Afghanistan and then Iraq), as well as faculty members Bellow, X >>> '39, and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55, together with Strauss. >>> According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's >>> rant "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is >>> correct to assert that Bloom's book helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," >>> but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Hobbist, >>> Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of >>> Chicago would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly assert >>> that Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy." >>> >>> Does anyone seriously believe that a pro-Israeli >>> Chicago/Strauss/Bloom product such as Wolfowitz could care less >>> about democracy in the United States let alone in Iraq? Or for that >>> matter anyone in the Bush Jr. administration? After they stole the >>> 2000 presidential election from the American People in Florida and >>> before the Republican-controlled U.S. Supreme Court, some of whom >>> were/are Feddies? Justice Clarence Thomas is a Straussian to boot. >>> For eight years the Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies, and Con-Artists of the Bush Jr. >>> administration did everything humanly possible to build an American >>> Police State. So far University of Chicago Constitutional Law >>> Teacher President Barack Obama has failed and refused to deconstruct >>> and dismantle their totalitarian handiwork. To the contrary, the >>> Obama administration has defended and justified in court almost every hideous atrocity that the Bush Jr. administration perpetrated on international law, human rights, civil rights, civil liberties, the U.S. >>> Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. >>> >>> At the behest of its Straussian Neo-Con Political Science >>> Department, in 1979 the entire University of Chicago went out of its >>> way to grant the "first Albert Pick Jr. Award for Outstanding >>> Contributions to International Understanding" to Robert McNamara, >>> who was personally responsible for exterminating 3 million >>> Vietnamese and 58,000 men of my generation. In other words, the >>> University of Chicago itself maliciously strove to rehabilitate one >>> of the greatest international war criminals in the post-World War II >>> era. History shall always record that the University of Chicago gratuitously honored Bob oeHalf-an-Eichmann McNamara. >>> >>> Do not send your children to the University of Chicago where they >>> will grow up to become warmongers like Wolfowitz and totalitarians >>> like Ashcroft! The University of Chicago is an intellectual and moral cesspool. As J.D. >>> Rockefeller, the Original Robber Baron and Funder of the University >>> of Chicago once commented about his progeny: oeIts the best >>> investment I ever made. Still is… >>> >>> ### >> > From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 02:24:09 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 02:24:09 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Palestine to discuss cooperation with China on OBOR Initiative Message-ID: Interview: Abbas says Palestine to discuss cooperation with China on Belt & Road Initiative Source: Xinhua| 2017-07-16 19:24:11|Editor: Zhou Xin [http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/static/images/Eng_xhApp_v1.png] RAMALLAH, July 16 (Xinhua) -- Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has said Palestine will discuss with China ways to carry out cooperation within the framework of the Belt and Road Initiative. The president made the remarks during an interview with Xinhua here ahead of his state visit to China, which is slated for July 17-20. It will be Abbas's fourth visit to China. He said Palestine thinks highly of the theme of the Belt and Road Forum for International Cooperation. The forum, held in Beijing in May, took the theme of strengthening international cooperation and co-building the Belt and Road for win-win development, he added. The Belt and Road Initiative, proposed by China in 2013, refers to the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road. It aims to build a trade and infrastructure network connecting Asia with Europe and Africa along the ancient trade routes. Abbas said Palestine believes that it is important to deepen its relationship with China, which is of special historic significance. As a major country in the world, China plays an important role on the world and regional stage, Abbas said, adding that China could make positive contribution to helping achieve peace and stability in the Middle East and promoting the development of the political process in the region. 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URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 03:11:59 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:11:59 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I followed the fashion for China rather than Russia, in those days of John K. Fairbanks' & Edwin O. Reischauer's interpreting China and Japan, respectively. Even more impressive was Benjamin I. Schwarz, author of "Chinese Communism and the Rise of Mao” (1951); I wanted to do a China field but hadn’t learnt the language… (But all serious American men used middle initials in the 1950s - probably where we got the habit.) Machiavelli was a poet and a playwright, as well as an historian, and worked in the commedia dell'arte tradition that influenced Shakespeare. Deception, misrepresentation, and false identities were part of his art - and employed, some think, in The Prince. —CGE « Je sais la poésie indispensable. Mais je ne sais pas à quoi… » —Jean Cocteau > On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > As a matter of fact, I spent a lot of time at the History Department. I offered Russian History on my PHD Oral/General Exams with Ned Keenan as my Examiner in Russian History. Ned was the leading Professor of Russian History at Harvard for a generation. RIP. He recommended me for my law professorship. Fab. > POEMS AGAINST THE EMPIRE > by > Francis A. Boyle > © Copyright 2017 by Francis A. Boyle. All rights reserved. > > “And those who have chosen the portion of injustice, and tyranny and violence shall pass into wolves or into hawks and kits—whither else shall we suppose them to go?” ---Socrates > “To describe their character in a word, one might truly say that they were born into the world to take no rest themselves and to give none to others.” ---Thucydides >   > FOREWORD > When I was a Senior in high school during the 1967-1968 academic year, I wrote poetry in Latin. The next year I entered college in order to study math and science and the liberal arts. Since my Father was a lawyer, I knew I could study whatever I wanted to in college and still go to law school afterwards. For the next ten years (1968-1978) I was a student at the University of Chicago and Harvard. I started as a tenure-track Assistant Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law on August 21, 1978. In 2010 I was appointed a Professor in the Unit for Criticism and Interpretive Theory in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. So after a forty-two year hiatus, I decided to return to writing poetry. Better late than never! > Poetry, Love, Music, and Art always stand against any empire. Because of my strident opposition to the Vietnam War, I decided to fight the American empire at the end of May 1967 soon after I had turned seventeen. I knew there would be more Vietnams and I intended to stop them! Set forth below are my poetic reflections upon the last fifty years of doing precisely that and more. > F.A.B. > > Francis A. Boyle (far left) on the floor of the International Court of Justice on 1 April 1993, squaring off against his adversary Shabtai Rosenne from Israel (far right) representing Yugoslavia, just before he argued and then won the first of his two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention on April 8, 1993 and then again on September 13, 1993. This was the first time ever that any Government or Lawyer had won two such Orders in one case since the World Court was founded in 1921. On August 5, 1993, he also won an Article 74(4) Order from the World Court to the same effect. Under Article 74(4) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, when the Full Court is not in Session, the President of the Court exercises the Full Powers of the Court and can issue an Order that is binding upon the states parties in a case. > > ABOUT THE AUTHOR > Francis A. Boyle is a Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law and also a Professor in the Unit for Criticism and Interpretive Theory in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. He holds a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard Law School and an A.M. and Ph.D. in Political Science from the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government. He was an Associate at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs and a Teaching Fellow in the Harvard College. He also practiced law with the Boston firm of Bingham, Dana & Gould doing primarily international tax and tax with some corporate transactions work. He currently teaches courses on International Law, International Human Rights Law, the Constitutional Law of U.S. Foreign Affairs, and Jurisprudence, having previously taught courses on Criminal Law, International Organizations, Latinos and the Law, and World Politics and International Law. > He was the Parhad Lecturer at the Faculty of Medicine for the University of Calgary in Canada in 2001. He was the Bertrand Russell Peace Lecturer at McMaster University in Canada in 2007. He has written 20 books dealing with world politics, international law, human rights, American foreign policy, the Middle East, Iraq, Bosnia, Ireland, Puerto Rico, Native Hawaiians, Tamils, Palestine, Libya, defending civil and G.I. resistors, nuclear weapons, biological warfare, etc. > He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention of 1972 known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 that was passed unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George Bush Sr. He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International U.S.A for four years. He served as Legal Advisor to Chairman Yasser Arafat and the Palestine Liberation Organization on the Palestinian Declaration of Independence of November 15, 1988 and its creation of the State of Palestine that is now a United Nations Observer State. From 1991 to 1993 he served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations and its Chair Dr. Haidar Abdul Shaffi who instructed him to draft the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. > In 1993 he represented the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina before the International Court of Justice where he won two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of Bosnia against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. He also represented the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina at the Owen-Stoltenberg “Peace” Negotiations in Geneva in 1993 where he prevented Bosnia’s destruction as a State and saved its membership in the United Nations Organization. He was Attorney of Record for the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrina before the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia and secured the indictment of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic for every crime in the I.C.T.Y. Statute including two counts of genocide: one for Srebrenica and the second for Bosnia in general. He started the Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel in 2000 and became D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign in 2005. >   > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 7:13 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > You should have come over to the History Department. As we say on News form Neptune, the poets often get there first. > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> I spent ten years (1968-1978) studying Philosophy, Jurisprudence and Political Philosophy at the University of Chicago, Harvard Law School and the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences where I got my PHD in Political Science--the No. 1 Ranked Program in the country. My PHD Examiner in Political Philosophy was Judith Shklar. Not one professor I ever had dismissed Machiavelli's The Prince as a "joke" or a "parody." Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:53 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >> US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> Probably worthwhile to point out that they’ve been taken in by a murderous joke. Cf. ‘The Great Dictator’ (1940). >> >> ‘...among all the manuscripts of The Prince dating from Machiavelli's >> life-time (and it seems to have had a considerable circulation and to >> have been multiplied by professional copyists), we have never found >> the copy which should have had the best chance of preservation - I >> mean that copy, beautifully lettered on vellum and richly bound, >> presented with its dedication to the Medici prince. Not only is it >> absent from the Laurentian library now, there is no trace that it was >> ever there. There is no evidence that it ever existed. Probably >> Machiavelli figured that the joke was not worth the extra expense.” >> [G. Mattingly] >> >> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> That is irrelevant to my argument. All Straussians have been educated to take Machiavelli's The Prince quite seriously--and they do and they apply it. fab. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:42 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >>> US war provocations v. Russia and China >>> >>> I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>>> >>>> Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. >>>> >>>> Francis A. Boyle >>>> Law Building >>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>>> (personal comments only) >>>> >>>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM >>>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >>>> US war provocations v. Russia and China >>>> >>>> 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. >>>> It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. >>>> >>>> 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist >>>> Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, >>>> 'Thoughts on Machiavelli," 1958.) >>>> >>>> 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them >>>> Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular political >>>> parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present censorious >>>> meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and unscrupulous >>>> schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I politic? am I >>>> subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) >>>> >>>> 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . >>>> >>>> 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. >>>> >>>> 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the >>>> American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls >>>> “the academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), >>>> perhaps we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy >>>> you North Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as >>>> someone I knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from >>>> Scarsdale to know how bad it is.”) >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 12:23:56 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:23:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Dear Carl: Well that's ok. during those ten years of being a student I developed two areas regional specialization: Russia/Soviet Union and the Middle East. But I never learned Russian and I never learned Arabic. 1 year of Spanish, 4 years of Latin and 3 1/2 years of French. But I told my kids to study Spanish because the whole country is going bilingual. Of course they did not listen to me. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:12 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China I followed the fashion for China rather than Russia, in those days of John K. Fairbanks' & Edwin O. Reischauer's interpreting China and Japan, respectively. Even more impressive was Benjamin I. Schwarz, author of "Chinese Communism and the Rise of Mao” (1951); I wanted to do a China field but hadn’t learnt the language… (But all serious American men used middle initials in the 1950s - probably where we got the habit.) Machiavelli was a poet and a playwright, as well as an historian, and worked in the commedia dell'arte tradition that influenced Shakespeare. Deception, misrepresentation, and false identities were part of his art - and employed, some think, in The Prince. —CGE « Je sais la poésie indispensable. Mais je ne sais pas à quoi… » —Jean Cocteau > On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > As a matter of fact, I spent a lot of time at the History Department. I offered Russian History on my PHD Oral/General Exams with Ned Keenan as my Examiner in Russian History. Ned was the leading Professor of Russian History at Harvard for a generation. RIP. He recommended me for my law professorship. Fab. > POEMS AGAINST THE EMPIRE > by > Francis A. Boyle > © Copyright 2017 by Francis A. Boyle. All rights reserved. > > “And those who have chosen the portion of injustice, and tyranny and > violence shall pass into wolves or into hawks and kits—whither else > shall we suppose them to go?” ---Socrates “To describe their character > in a word, one might truly say that they were born into the world to > take no rest themselves and to give none to others.” ---Thucydides >   > FOREWORD > When I was a Senior in high school during the 1967-1968 academic year, I wrote poetry in Latin. The next year I entered college in order to study math and science and the liberal arts. Since my Father was a lawyer, I knew I could study whatever I wanted to in college and still go to law school afterwards. For the next ten years (1968-1978) I was a student at the University of Chicago and Harvard. I started as a tenure-track Assistant Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law on August 21, 1978. In 2010 I was appointed a Professor in the Unit for Criticism and Interpretive Theory in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. So after a forty-two year hiatus, I decided to return to writing poetry. Better late than never! > Poetry, Love, Music, and Art always stand against any empire. Because of my strident opposition to the Vietnam War, I decided to fight the American empire at the end of May 1967 soon after I had turned seventeen. I knew there would be more Vietnams and I intended to stop them! Set forth below are my poetic reflections upon the last fifty years of doing precisely that and more. > F.A.B. > > Francis A. Boyle (far left) on the floor of the International Court of Justice on 1 April 1993, squaring off against his adversary Shabtai Rosenne from Israel (far right) representing Yugoslavia, just before he argued and then won the first of his two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention on April 8, 1993 and then again on September 13, 1993. This was the first time ever that any Government or Lawyer had won two such Orders in one case since the World Court was founded in 1921. On August 5, 1993, he also won an Article 74(4) Order from the World Court to the same effect. Under Article 74(4) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, when the Full Court is not in Session, the President of the Court exercises the Full Powers of the Court and can issue an Order that is binding upon the states parties in a case. > > ABOUT THE AUTHOR > Francis A. Boyle is a Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law and also a Professor in the Unit for Criticism and Interpretive Theory in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. He holds a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard Law School and an A.M. and Ph.D. in Political Science from the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government. He was an Associate at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs and a Teaching Fellow in the Harvard College. He also practiced law with the Boston firm of Bingham, Dana & Gould doing primarily international tax and tax with some corporate transactions work. He currently teaches courses on International Law, International Human Rights Law, the Constitutional Law of U.S. Foreign Affairs, and Jurisprudence, having previously taught courses on Criminal Law, International Organizations, Latinos and the Law, and World Politics and International Law. > He was the Parhad Lecturer at the Faculty of Medicine for the University of Calgary in Canada in 2001. He was the Bertrand Russell Peace Lecturer at McMaster University in Canada in 2007. He has written 20 books dealing with world politics, international law, human rights, American foreign policy, the Middle East, Iraq, Bosnia, Ireland, Puerto Rico, Native Hawaiians, Tamils, Palestine, Libya, defending civil and G.I. resistors, nuclear weapons, biological warfare, etc. > He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention of 1972 known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 that was passed unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George Bush Sr. He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International U.S.A for four years. He served as Legal Advisor to Chairman Yasser Arafat and the Palestine Liberation Organization on the Palestinian Declaration of Independence of November 15, 1988 and its creation of the State of Palestine that is now a United Nations Observer State. From 1991 to 1993 he served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations and its Chair Dr. Haidar Abdul Shaffi who instructed him to draft the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. > In 1993 he represented the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina before the International Court of Justice where he won two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of Bosnia against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. He also represented the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina at the Owen-Stoltenberg “Peace” Negotiations in Geneva in 1993 where he prevented Bosnia’s destruction as a State and saved its membership in the United Nations Organization. He was Attorney of Record for the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrina before the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia and secured the indictment of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic for every crime in the I.C.T.Y. Statute including two counts of genocide: one for Srebrenica and the second for Bosnia in general. He started the Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel in 2000 and became D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign in 2005. >   > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 7:13 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue > US war provocations v. Russia and China > > You should have come over to the History Department. As we say on News form Neptune, the poets often get there first. > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> I spent ten years (1968-1978) studying Philosophy, Jurisprudence and Political Philosophy at the University of Chicago, Harvard Law School and the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences where I got my PHD in Political Science--the No. 1 Ranked Program in the country. My PHD Examiner in Political Philosophy was Judith Shklar. Not one professor I ever had dismissed Machiavelli's The Prince as a "joke" or a "parody." Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:53 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >> US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> Probably worthwhile to point out that they’ve been taken in by a murderous joke. Cf. ‘The Great Dictator’ (1940). >> >> ‘...among all the manuscripts of The Prince dating from Machiavelli's >> life-time (and it seems to have had a considerable circulation and to >> have been multiplied by professional copyists), we have never found >> the copy which should have had the best chance of preservation - I >> mean that copy, beautifully lettered on vellum and richly bound, >> presented with its dedication to the Medici prince. Not only is it >> absent from the Laurentian library now, there is no trace that it was >> ever there. There is no evidence that it ever existed. Probably >> Machiavelli figured that the joke was not worth the extra expense.” >> [G. Mattingly] >> >> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> That is irrelevant to my argument. All Straussians have been educated to take Machiavelli's The Prince quite seriously--and they do and they apply it. fab. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:42 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >>> US war provocations v. Russia and China >>> >>> I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>>> >>>> Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. >>>> >>>> Francis A. Boyle >>>> Law Building >>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>>> (personal comments only) >>>> >>>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM >>>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to >>>> continue US war provocations v. Russia and China >>>> >>>> 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. >>>> It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. >>>> >>>> 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist >>>> Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, >>>> 'Thoughts on Machiavelli," 1958.) >>>> >>>> 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them >>>> Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular >>>> political parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present >>>> censorious meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and >>>> unscrupulous schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I >>>> politic? am I subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) >>>> >>>> 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . >>>> >>>> 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. >>>> >>>> 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the >>>> American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls >>>> “the academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), >>>> perhaps we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy >>>> you North Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as >>>> someone I knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from >>>> Scarsdale to know how bad it is.”) >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 12:47:38 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:47:38 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 12:48:18 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:48:18 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And just to show you how Racist and Imperialist Education at "Elite" Institutions at Chicago and Harvard really are. Despite all that heavy duty international relations study I learned little about sub-Saharan (i.e.,Black) Africa. But then I took a course on International Human Rights with Professor Clyde Ferguson at Harvard Law School, with extensive diplomatic and political experience in that region of the world and the first Full African American Professor at Harvard Law School. Clyde taught me all about Black Africa. So when I came out here I felt fully competent to get involved in the Struggle against Apartheid South Africa on this Campus and Nationwide. Thanks to Clyde. RIP. So I still follow developments there too. Ditto for Central America/Caribbean where Belden and I spent the entire 1980s opposing every hideous atrocity Reagan et al were inflicting on those tormented people. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:24 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Dear Carl: Well that's ok. during those ten years of being a student I developed two areas regional specialization: Russia/Soviet Union and the Middle East. But I never learned Russian and I never learned Arabic. 1 year of Spanish, 4 years of Latin and 3 1/2 years of French. But I told my kids to study Spanish because the whole country is going bilingual. Of course they did not listen to me. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:12 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China I followed the fashion for China rather than Russia, in those days of John K. Fairbanks' & Edwin O. Reischauer's interpreting China and Japan, respectively. Even more impressive was Benjamin I. Schwarz, author of "Chinese Communism and the Rise of Mao” (1951); I wanted to do a China field but hadn’t learnt the language… (But all serious American men used middle initials in the 1950s - probably where we got the habit.) Machiavelli was a poet and a playwright, as well as an historian, and worked in the commedia dell'arte tradition that influenced Shakespeare. Deception, misrepresentation, and false identities were part of his art - and employed, some think, in The Prince. —CGE « Je sais la poésie indispensable. Mais je ne sais pas à quoi… » —Jean Cocteau > On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > As a matter of fact, I spent a lot of time at the History Department. I offered Russian History on my PHD Oral/General Exams with Ned Keenan as my Examiner in Russian History. Ned was the leading Professor of Russian History at Harvard for a generation. RIP. He recommended me for my law professorship. Fab. > POEMS AGAINST THE EMPIRE > by > Francis A. Boyle > © Copyright 2017 by Francis A. Boyle. All rights reserved. > > “And those who have chosen the portion of injustice, and tyranny and > violence shall pass into wolves or into hawks and kits—whither else > shall we suppose them to go?” ---Socrates “To describe their character > in a word, one might truly say that they were born into the world to > take no rest themselves and to give none to others.” ---Thucydides >   > FOREWORD > When I was a Senior in high school during the 1967-1968 academic year, I wrote poetry in Latin. The next year I entered college in order to study math and science and the liberal arts. Since my Father was a lawyer, I knew I could study whatever I wanted to in college and still go to law school afterwards. For the next ten years (1968-1978) I was a student at the University of Chicago and Harvard. I started as a tenure-track Assistant Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law on August 21, 1978. In 2010 I was appointed a Professor in the Unit for Criticism and Interpretive Theory in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. So after a forty-two year hiatus, I decided to return to writing poetry. Better late than never! > Poetry, Love, Music, and Art always stand against any empire. Because of my strident opposition to the Vietnam War, I decided to fight the American empire at the end of May 1967 soon after I had turned seventeen. I knew there would be more Vietnams and I intended to stop them! Set forth below are my poetic reflections upon the last fifty years of doing precisely that and more. > F.A.B. > > Francis A. Boyle (far left) on the floor of the International Court of Justice on 1 April 1993, squaring off against his adversary Shabtai Rosenne from Israel (far right) representing Yugoslavia, just before he argued and then won the first of his two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention on April 8, 1993 and then again on September 13, 1993. This was the first time ever that any Government or Lawyer had won two such Orders in one case since the World Court was founded in 1921. On August 5, 1993, he also won an Article 74(4) Order from the World Court to the same effect. Under Article 74(4) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, when the Full Court is not in Session, the President of the Court exercises the Full Powers of the Court and can issue an Order that is binding upon the states parties in a case. > > ABOUT THE AUTHOR > Francis A. Boyle is a Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law and also a Professor in the Unit for Criticism and Interpretive Theory in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. He holds a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard Law School and an A.M. and Ph.D. in Political Science from the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government. He was an Associate at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs and a Teaching Fellow in the Harvard College. He also practiced law with the Boston firm of Bingham, Dana & Gould doing primarily international tax and tax with some corporate transactions work. He currently teaches courses on International Law, International Human Rights Law, the Constitutional Law of U.S. Foreign Affairs, and Jurisprudence, having previously taught courses on Criminal Law, International Organizations, Latinos and the Law, and World Politics and International Law. > He was the Parhad Lecturer at the Faculty of Medicine for the University of Calgary in Canada in 2001. He was the Bertrand Russell Peace Lecturer at McMaster University in Canada in 2007. He has written 20 books dealing with world politics, international law, human rights, American foreign policy, the Middle East, Iraq, Bosnia, Ireland, Puerto Rico, Native Hawaiians, Tamils, Palestine, Libya, defending civil and G.I. resistors, nuclear weapons, biological warfare, etc. > He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention of 1972 known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 that was passed unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George Bush Sr. He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International U.S.A for four years. He served as Legal Advisor to Chairman Yasser Arafat and the Palestine Liberation Organization on the Palestinian Declaration of Independence of November 15, 1988 and its creation of the State of Palestine that is now a United Nations Observer State. From 1991 to 1993 he served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations and its Chair Dr. Haidar Abdul Shaffi who instructed him to draft the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. > In 1993 he represented the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina before the International Court of Justice where he won two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of Bosnia against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. He also represented the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina at the Owen-Stoltenberg “Peace” Negotiations in Geneva in 1993 where he prevented Bosnia’s destruction as a State and saved its membership in the United Nations Organization. He was Attorney of Record for the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrina before the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia and secured the indictment of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic for every crime in the I.C.T.Y. Statute including two counts of genocide: one for Srebrenica and the second for Bosnia in general. He started the Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel in 2000 and became D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign in 2005. >   > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 7:13 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue > US war provocations v. Russia and China > > You should have come over to the History Department. As we say on News form Neptune, the poets often get there first. > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> I spent ten years (1968-1978) studying Philosophy, Jurisprudence and Political Philosophy at the University of Chicago, Harvard Law School and the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences where I got my PHD in Political Science--the No. 1 Ranked Program in the country. My PHD Examiner in Political Philosophy was Judith Shklar. Not one professor I ever had dismissed Machiavelli's The Prince as a "joke" or a "parody." Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:53 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >> US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> Probably worthwhile to point out that they’ve been taken in by a murderous joke. Cf. ‘The Great Dictator’ (1940). >> >> ‘...among all the manuscripts of The Prince dating from Machiavelli's >> life-time (and it seems to have had a considerable circulation and to >> have been multiplied by professional copyists), we have never found >> the copy which should have had the best chance of preservation - I >> mean that copy, beautifully lettered on vellum and richly bound, >> presented with its dedication to the Medici prince. Not only is it >> absent from the Laurentian library now, there is no trace that it was >> ever there. There is no evidence that it ever existed. Probably >> Machiavelli figured that the joke was not worth the extra expense.” >> [G. Mattingly] >> >> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> That is irrelevant to my argument. All Straussians have been educated to take Machiavelli's The Prince quite seriously--and they do and they apply it. fab. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:42 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >>> US war provocations v. Russia and China >>> >>> I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>>> >>>> Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. >>>> >>>> Francis A. Boyle >>>> Law Building >>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>>> (personal comments only) >>>> >>>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM >>>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to >>>> continue US war provocations v. Russia and China >>>> >>>> 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. >>>> It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. >>>> >>>> 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist >>>> Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, >>>> 'Thoughts on Machiavelli," 1958.) >>>> >>>> 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them >>>> Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular >>>> political parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present >>>> censorious meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and >>>> unscrupulous schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I >>>> politic? am I subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) >>>> >>>> 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . >>>> >>>> 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. >>>> >>>> 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the >>>> American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls >>>> “the academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), >>>> perhaps we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy >>>> you North Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as >>>> someone I knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from >>>> Scarsdale to know how bad it is.”) >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 12:49:42 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:49:42 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Ben Linder Instead of Me Down to Nicaragua in 1985 With my Friends and Comrades-in-Arms Ramsey Clark and Len Weinglass (R.I.P.) To stop Reagan’s contra terrorist mercenary bands Tormenting, torturing, murdering, raping, pillaging, devastating Nicaragua’s long-suffering people Under a contra death threat for all Americans Subjected to CIA biowarfare by Hemorrhagic Dengue Fever For which there is no cure The three of us marched on our way anyway Instead of us lawyers Reagan and his contras murdered Ben Linder A Noble Engineer Bringing fresh water to the poor campesinos in the countryside Ripping Ben from his Family’s arms Ben was a Martyr for Peace! Reagan and his contras got Ben Linder instead of me I have led a full life But not so he Struck down in his young manhood By a gang of American criminals and their terrorists So I write this poem in Honor of Ben May Ben’s Name live forever! I know his Soul already does R.I.P.: Ben Linder Instead of me Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:48 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: 'prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net' ; 'Peace Discuss' Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China And just to show you how Racist and Imperialist Education at "Elite" Institutions at Chicago and Harvard really are. Despite all that heavy duty international relations study I learned little about sub-Saharan (i.e.,Black) Africa. But then I took a course on International Human Rights with Professor Clyde Ferguson at Harvard Law School, with extensive diplomatic and political experience in that region of the world and the first Full African American Professor at Harvard Law School. Clyde taught me all about Black Africa. So when I came out here I felt fully competent to get involved in the Struggle against Apartheid South Africa on this Campus and Nationwide. Thanks to Clyde. RIP. So I still follow developments there too. Ditto for Central America/Caribbean where Belden and I spent the entire 1980s opposing every hideous atrocity Reagan et al were inflicting on those tormented people. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:24 AM To: 'Carl G. Estabrook' Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: RE: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Dear Carl: Well that's ok. during those ten years of being a student I developed two areas regional specialization: Russia/Soviet Union and the Middle East. But I never learned Russian and I never learned Arabic. 1 year of Spanish, 4 years of Latin and 3 1/2 years of French. But I told my kids to study Spanish because the whole country is going bilingual. Of course they did not listen to me. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:12 PM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China I followed the fashion for China rather than Russia, in those days of John K. Fairbanks' & Edwin O. Reischauer's interpreting China and Japan, respectively. Even more impressive was Benjamin I. Schwarz, author of "Chinese Communism and the Rise of Mao” (1951); I wanted to do a China field but hadn’t learnt the language… (But all serious American men used middle initials in the 1950s - probably where we got the habit.) Machiavelli was a poet and a playwright, as well as an historian, and worked in the commedia dell'arte tradition that influenced Shakespeare. Deception, misrepresentation, and false identities were part of his art - and employed, some think, in The Prince. —CGE « Je sais la poésie indispensable. Mais je ne sais pas à quoi… » —Jean Cocteau > On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:16 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > As a matter of fact, I spent a lot of time at the History Department. I offered Russian History on my PHD Oral/General Exams with Ned Keenan as my Examiner in Russian History. Ned was the leading Professor of Russian History at Harvard for a generation. RIP. He recommended me for my law professorship. Fab. > POEMS AGAINST THE EMPIRE > by > Francis A. Boyle > © Copyright 2017 by Francis A. Boyle. All rights reserved. > > “And those who have chosen the portion of injustice, and tyranny and > violence shall pass into wolves or into hawks and kits—whither else > shall we suppose them to go?” ---Socrates “To describe their character > in a word, one might truly say that they were born into the world to > take no rest themselves and to give none to others.” ---Thucydides >   > FOREWORD > When I was a Senior in high school during the 1967-1968 academic year, I wrote poetry in Latin. The next year I entered college in order to study math and science and the liberal arts. Since my Father was a lawyer, I knew I could study whatever I wanted to in college and still go to law school afterwards. For the next ten years (1968-1978) I was a student at the University of Chicago and Harvard. I started as a tenure-track Assistant Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law on August 21, 1978. In 2010 I was appointed a Professor in the Unit for Criticism and Interpretive Theory in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. So after a forty-two year hiatus, I decided to return to writing poetry. Better late than never! > Poetry, Love, Music, and Art always stand against any empire. Because of my strident opposition to the Vietnam War, I decided to fight the American empire at the end of May 1967 soon after I had turned seventeen. I knew there would be more Vietnams and I intended to stop them! Set forth below are my poetic reflections upon the last fifty years of doing precisely that and more. > F.A.B. > > Francis A. Boyle (far left) on the floor of the International Court of Justice on 1 April 1993, squaring off against his adversary Shabtai Rosenne from Israel (far right) representing Yugoslavia, just before he argued and then won the first of his two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention on April 8, 1993 and then again on September 13, 1993. This was the first time ever that any Government or Lawyer had won two such Orders in one case since the World Court was founded in 1921. On August 5, 1993, he also won an Article 74(4) Order from the World Court to the same effect. Under Article 74(4) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, when the Full Court is not in Session, the President of the Court exercises the Full Powers of the Court and can issue an Order that is binding upon the states parties in a case. > > ABOUT THE AUTHOR > Francis A. Boyle is a Professor of Law at the University of Illinois College of Law and also a Professor in the Unit for Criticism and Interpretive Theory in the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign. He holds a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard Law School and an A.M. and Ph.D. in Political Science from the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, Department of Government. He was an Associate at Harvard’s Center for International Affairs and a Teaching Fellow in the Harvard College. He also practiced law with the Boston firm of Bingham, Dana & Gould doing primarily international tax and tax with some corporate transactions work. He currently teaches courses on International Law, International Human Rights Law, the Constitutional Law of U.S. Foreign Affairs, and Jurisprudence, having previously taught courses on Criminal Law, International Organizations, Latinos and the Law, and World Politics and International Law. > He was the Parhad Lecturer at the Faculty of Medicine for the University of Calgary in Canada in 2001. He was the Bertrand Russell Peace Lecturer at McMaster University in Canada in 2007. He has written 20 books dealing with world politics, international law, human rights, American foreign policy, the Middle East, Iraq, Bosnia, Ireland, Puerto Rico, Native Hawaiians, Tamils, Palestine, Libya, defending civil and G.I. resistors, nuclear weapons, biological warfare, etc. > He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention of 1972 known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 that was passed unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George Bush Sr. He served on the Board of Directors of Amnesty International U.S.A for four years. He served as Legal Advisor to Chairman Yasser Arafat and the Palestine Liberation Organization on the Palestinian Declaration of Independence of November 15, 1988 and its creation of the State of Palestine that is now a United Nations Observer State. From 1991 to 1993 he served as Legal Advisor to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations and its Chair Dr. Haidar Abdul Shaffi who instructed him to draft the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. > In 1993 he represented the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina before the International Court of Justice where he won two World Court Orders overwhelmingly in favor of Bosnia against Yugoslavia to cease and desist from committing all acts of genocide in violation of the 1948 Genocide Convention. He also represented the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina at the Owen-Stoltenberg “Peace” Negotiations in Geneva in 1993 where he prevented Bosnia’s destruction as a State and saved its membership in the United Nations Organization. He was Attorney of Record for the Mothers of Srebrenica and Podrina before the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia and secured the indictment of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic for every crime in the I.C.T.Y. Statute including two counts of genocide: one for Srebrenica and the second for Bosnia in general. He started the Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel in 2000 and became D in the Palestinian BDS Campaign in 2005. >   > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 7:13 PM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue > US war provocations v. Russia and China > > You should have come over to the History Department. As we say on News form Neptune, the poets often get there first. > > >> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> I spent ten years (1968-1978) studying Philosophy, Jurisprudence and Political Philosophy at the University of Chicago, Harvard Law School and the Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences where I got my PHD in Political Science--the No. 1 Ranked Program in the country. My PHD Examiner in Political Philosophy was Judith Shklar. Not one professor I ever had dismissed Machiavelli's The Prince as a "joke" or a "parody." Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:53 PM >> To: Boyle, Francis A >> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >> >> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >> US war provocations v. Russia and China >> >> Probably worthwhile to point out that they’ve been taken in by a murderous joke. Cf. ‘The Great Dictator’ (1940). >> >> ‘...among all the manuscripts of The Prince dating from Machiavelli's >> life-time (and it seems to have had a considerable circulation and to >> have been multiplied by professional copyists), we have never found >> the copy which should have had the best chance of preservation - I >> mean that copy, beautifully lettered on vellum and richly bound, >> presented with its dedication to the Medici prince. Not only is it >> absent from the Laurentian library now, there is no trace that it was >> ever there. There is no evidence that it ever existed. Probably >> Machiavelli figured that the joke was not worth the extra expense.” >> [G. Mattingly] >> >> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:46 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> That is irrelevant to my argument. All Straussians have been educated to take Machiavelli's The Prince quite seriously--and they do and they apply it. fab. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:42 PM >>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue >>> US war provocations v. Russia and China >>> >>> I’m sure he did. But I think Garrett Mattingly was probably the better historian. >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>>> >>>> Well I studied Machiavelli with Strauss’s right-hand man, co-author and literary executor of his Estate, Joseph Cropsey of Strauss and Cropsey. He took Machiavelli’s The Prince quite seriously and taught it as such to all of his students at the University of Chicago. Fab. >>>> >>>> Francis A. Boyle >>>> Law Building >>>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>>> (personal comments only) >>>> >>>> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:33 PM >>>> To: Boyle, Francis A >>>> Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to >>>> continue US war provocations v. Russia and China >>>> >>>> 1.) D in the BDS campaign (worth discussion on its own) stands for ‘divestment’ and doesn’t necessarily imply the ZFC ("Zionists are a Fifth Column for Israel”) theory. >>>> It’s a campaign against Israel’s illegal occupations that says little about US policy - altho’ it’s true that Israel could not continue the occupations without US economic, diplomatic, and military support. >>>> >>>> 2.) Criticisms of Leo Strauss, Carl Schmitt, and the Federalist >>>> Society are undoubtedly appropriate. (See e.g. Leo Strauss, >>>> 'Thoughts on Machiavelli," 1958.) >>>> >>>> 3.) It may however be historically inaccurate to call them >>>> Machiavellian, except as the word has entered into popular >>>> political parlance (especially English: 'Machiavel' had its present >>>> censorious meaning in 16th century English, as “an intriguer and >>>> unscrupulous schemer”; cf. 'Merry Wives of Windsor', 3.1: "Am I >>>> politic? am I subtle? am I a Machiavel?”) >>>> >>>> 4.) The work for which the accomplished scholar, historian and playwright Niccolò Machiavelli (1469-1527) is best known, 'The Prince', was probably a rather bitter satire on how ‘princes’ - despots - behaved, and not the instruction manual it’s been taken as: . >>>> >>>> 5.) It’s probably at least reductionist to call the US invasion of Iraq - the greatest crime of the century to date - "aggression against Iraq for the benefit of Israel.” The long-standing US goal of control of Mideast energy resources was clearly the object of the invasion. Control, not just access, to what the State Department called in 1945 “the world’s greatest material prize” is what the US demands; we import very little oil from the Mideast for domestic use; but control provides a choke-hold over competing economies from Germany to China. >>>> >>>> 6.) Regarding attending the U. of Chicago and other pillars of the >>>> American educational establishment (including what Chomsky calls >>>> “the academy for the passive and the obedient in Harvard Square”), >>>> perhaps we should remember Ernesto Che Guevara's comment: "I envy >>>> you North Americans. You live in the belly of the beast.” (Or, as >>>> someone I knew said a half-century ago, "You have to be from >>>> Scarsdale to know how bad it is.”) >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 12:52:58 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:52:58 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: and rogue deep-state elements do not disrupt the scenario. "So now it’s back to the swamp – and the same old hysterical Russiagate 24/7…” For sure. I am dealing with it all full time, both the law and the politics, domestic and international. Remember Carl I am not retired, next year teaching a maximum course load. You retired guys like you and Belden have the luxury of it all watching. I am still in the Arena. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:48 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China “...EU trade with China, India, Japan, South Korea and all of Southeast Asia is already larger by US$300 billion a year than EU trade with the US. "And this is happening even before the EU has granted 'market economy' status to China, and before the just-signed free-trade agreement with Japan. "The New Silk Roads, renamed Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), with their promise of total Eurasian connectivity, are a certified win-win as far as German industrialists and selected EU investors are concerned. In contrast, in US Think Tankland, the overwhelming tone of the analyses is to deride BRI as a ‘scheme' destined to fail… "It’s unclear whether Macron has imprinted on the mind of The American Friend [Pres. Trump] that having Syria jihadi-free, together, makes total business sense – and opens the way to further business deals, on all fronts. Of course, assuming the current and future ceasefires hold, and rogue deep-state elements do not disrupt the scenario. "So now it’s back to the swamp – and the same old hysterical Russiagate 24/7…” http://www.atimes.com/article/sun-king-american-friend// -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 13:07:11 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:07:11 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> Morituri te salutamus. > On Jul 17, 2017, at 7:52 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > and rogue deep-state elements do not disrupt the scenario. > > "So now it’s back to the swamp – and the same old hysterical Russiagate 24/7…” > For sure. I am dealing with it all full time, both the law and the politics, domestic and international. Remember Carl I am not retired, next year teaching a maximum course load. You retired guys like you and Belden have the luxury of it all watching. I am still in the Arena. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:48 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > “...EU trade with China, India, Japan, South Korea and all of Southeast Asia is already larger by US$300 billion a year than EU trade with the US. > > "And this is happening even before the EU has granted 'market economy' status to China, and before the just-signed free-trade agreement with Japan. > > "The New Silk Roads, renamed Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), with their promise of total Eurasian connectivity, are a certified win-win as far as German industrialists and selected EU investors are concerned. In contrast, in US Think Tankland, the overwhelming tone of the analyses is to deride BRI as a ‘scheme' destined to fail… > > "It’s unclear whether Macron has imprinted on the mind of The American Friend [Pres. Trump] that having Syria jihadi-free, together, makes total business sense – and opens the way to further business deals, on all fronts. Of course, assuming the current and future ceasefires hold, and rogue deep-state elements do not disrupt the scenario. > > "So now it’s back to the swamp – and the same old hysterical Russiagate 24/7…” > > http://www.atimes.com/article/sun-king-american-friend// > From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 13:15:02 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:15:02 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Join Us Saturday 7/22 - Defeat TrumpCare, Win Medicare for All! References: Message-ID: Join us this Saturday, July 22nd at 2pm at the Champaign Public Library Robeson Room C to discuss strategies to defeat TrumpCare and build a movement that wins health care as a human right! RSVP on the Facebook event here! [Inline image 1] TrumpCare is a savage attack on working people and the poor. If passed, it will deny tens of millions access to health care and represent one of the greatest transfers of wealth from the working class to the 1% in U.S. history through massive tax cuts for the super-rich and corporations. We need a full mobilization of the opposition to TrumpCare through rallies, protests, and occupations of Republican Senators’ offices. The Republicans are struggling to overcome internal divisions, but we need to keep the pressure up to ensure the defeat of TrumpCare. A victory on this issue could help give confidence to the fight for Medicare for all! 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 17 13:38:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:38:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China In-Reply-To: <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Yeah, I have so many knives sticking out of my back here at the Law School that I have lost count of them. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 8:07 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China Morituri te salutamus. > On Jul 17, 2017, at 7:52 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > and rogue deep-state elements do not disrupt the scenario. > > "So now it’s back to the swamp – and the same old hysterical Russiagate 24/7…” > For sure. I am dealing with it all full time, both the law and the politics, domestic and international. Remember Carl I am not retired, next year teaching a maximum course load. You retired guys like you and Belden have the luxury of it all watching. I am still in the Arena. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 7:48 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net; Peace Discuss > Subject: Re: [Peace] Why Trump must go: he threatens not to continue US war provocations v. Russia and China > > “...EU trade with China, India, Japan, South Korea and all of Southeast Asia is already larger by US$300 billion a year than EU trade with the US. > > "And this is happening even before the EU has granted 'market economy' status to China, and before the just-signed free-trade agreement with Japan. > > "The New Silk Roads, renamed Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), with their promise of total Eurasian connectivity, are a certified win-win as far as German industrialists and selected EU investors are concerned. In contrast, in US Think Tankland, the overwhelming tone of the analyses is to deride BRI as a ‘scheme' destined to fail… > > "It’s unclear whether Macron has imprinted on the mind of The American Friend [Pres. Trump] that having Syria jihadi-free, together, makes total business sense – and opens the way to further business deals, on all fronts. Of course, assuming the current and future ceasefires hold, and rogue deep-state elements do not disrupt the scenario. > > "So now it’s back to the swamp – and the same old hysterical Russiagate 24/7…” > > http://www.atimes.com/article/sun-king-american-friend// > From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 15:24:20 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:24:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: Join Us Saturday 7/22 - Defeat TrumpCare, Win Medicare for All! References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: From: SocialistAlternative Champaign-Urbana > Subject: Join Us Saturday 7/22 - Defeat TrumpCare, Win Medicare for All! Date: July 16, 2017 at 17:44:59 PDT To: SocialistAlternative Champaign-Urbana > Join us this Saturday, July 22nd at 2pm at the Champaign Public Library Robeson Room C to discuss strategies to defeat TrumpCare and build a movement that wins health care as a human right! RSVP on the Facebook event here! [Inline image 1] TrumpCare is a savage attack on working people and the poor. If passed, it will deny tens of millions access to health care and represent one of the greatest transfers of wealth from the working class to the 1% in U.S. history through massive tax cuts for the super-rich and corporations. We need a full mobilization of the opposition to TrumpCare through rallies, protests, and occupations of Republican Senators’ offices. The Republicans are struggling to overcome internal divisions, but we need to keep the pressure up to ensure the defeat of TrumpCare. A victory on this issue could help give confidence to the fight for Medicare for all! In Solidarity, Socialist Alternative Champaign-Urbana Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SocialistAlternativeCU/ National Website: https://www.socialistalternative.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The announcement comes two weeks after officials in 11 states wrote to Attorney General Jefferson Sessions threatening to sue the federal government if it did not rescind Obama’s DACA program by Sept. 5. DACA was implemented in mid-2012 under the Obama Administration to boost Obama’s credentials among Latino voters. The move was not opposed by immigration officials, who saw it as an opportunity to accumulate lists of youth living in the US without documentation. As the WSWS wrote in 2012: The implementation of the DACA program came three months before the presidential election. Implementation of the initiative—providing limited rights to a narrow section of immigrants—is at best a cynical gesture in an effort to court Latino voters. At worst, the information gathered in the application process could be used against immigrants and their families. The Obama administration has pursued an aggressive anti-immigrant agenda, rounding up immigrants in wide-scale sweeps and deporting them in record numbers, and this policy will not end with DACA. The worst case scenario is now coming to fruition. All of the personal information needed to carry out deportations of these children and their families is conveniently in the hands of the Department of Homeland Security. The thousands of children who lined up for the chance at the limited rights offered by the program gave their names, addresses, countries of origin, their personal histories and signed a document admitting to being in the country illegally. The cost of this program was paid for by the immigrants themselves at $465 dollars apiece. In addition to DACA participants, the status of many Central American immigrants was also called into question by the Trump administration during Kelly’s meeting. Members of the Hispanic Caucus reported that Kelly suggested that many federal programs which grant Haitians, Salvadorans and Hondurans temporary protected status (TPS) due to past disasters in their homelands are also at risk of being canceled or not renewed by the Trump administration. For Haiti and El Salvador, TPS faces renewal in January 2018, while El Salvador’s program currently ends next March. TPS is intended to protect migrants from being deported to a country currently embroiled in war, environmental disaster or “other extraordinary and temporary conditions.” In June, the governments of El Salvador and Honduras pleaded with the US to extend TPS for their residents, fearing that the influx of hundreds of thousands of migrants will provoke a social explosion. Deporting immigrants who have fled countries such as Haiti, El Salvador and Honduras could very likely be a death sentence for many of these people. These countries all share a common history of relentless intervention by American imperialism, leaving them each in a state of extreme poverty and with dire social conditions. Five percent of the unaccompanied minors who cross the border come from the city of San Pedro Sula in Honduras. The city has the world’s highest murder rate, 187 murders per 100,000 in 2012, more than twice the country’s average of 90.4. The murder rates in El Salvador (41.2) and Honduras (60) are amongst the worst in Latin America. Those who choose to flee do so out of dire necessity. Many make the decision, and risk their lives to make the dangerous journey, in hopes of offering their children a better life. Many of their children have grown up thoroughly integrated into US culture, with some having no memory of their “home” country or knowledge of its norms or language. These developments mark a significant ramping up of the anti-immigrant policies of the Trump administration. In addition to the threats laid out by Kelly this week, there have been numerous reports of asylum seekers being intimidated and even unlawfully turned away at the border by ICE agents. An initiative which aimed at arresting undocumented parents suspected of having paid to have their children ushered into the country by smugglers has been put into effect. All these measures are meant to terrorize and intimidate not only the immigrant population, but the working class as a whole. The dismantling of DACA, the rescinding of asylum programs and the other anti-immigrant policies of the Trump administration have little support among the American people. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 21:50:41 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 21:50:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Another interesting take on Trumps speech in Warsaw Message-ID: * JOURNAL ISSUES * REGIONS * HYBRID WARS * THE EPISODES * SUNDAY READING * VIDEO EDITORIAL, EUROPE, UNITED STATES Trump – a salesman of “high-end vacuum cleaners” Written by ORIENTAL REVIEW on 17/07/2017 More in Editorial: * [https://i2.wp.com/orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/1019121600.jpg?resize=200%2C131&ssl=1] The “free” frightened media of Ukraine03/07/2017 * [https://i0.wp.com/orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/1484017947.jpg?resize=200%2C131&ssl=1] Envoy killed in a ‘parallel universe’21/12/2016 * [https://i1.wp.com/orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/1048540931.jpg?resize=200%2C131&ssl=1] War of the worlds: masks are ripped away in Syria13/10/2016 On the eve of his meeting with Vladimir Putin, President Trump gave a speech in Warsaw that included several jabs at Russia, which prompted a fairly strong reaction in Moscow. Many officials and commentators were hard-pressed to understand why it was necessary to rile things up right before such important top-level negotiations. But it doesn’t take much digging to unearth the explanation – you just need to view the situation like a businessman instead of a politician or policy analyst. There was once a time when, in order to understand the keynote addresses made by American presidents, analysts needed a solid background in a wide range of weighty political, philosophical, and literary texts, including the Bible, the plays of Shakespeare, and the essays by America’s Founding Fathers on domestic and foreign-policy issues. But all you need to understand President Trump’s speeches is a passing familiarity with a single book written in 1984 by the American psychologist Robert Cialdini: Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion. Mr. Cialdini spent many years interviewing and chatting with successful salesmen peddling super-expensive “high-end vacuum cleaners,” as well as with Amway distributors, sellers of shares in pyramid schemes, and used-car dealers. In essence, he looked at anyone whose professional success rested on his ability to use psychology to cajole and strong-arm others into agreeing to a deal that’s not in their best interest. If we break down Donald Trump’s speech, we can see that it is not actually an address by a politician, but rather the patter of a very successful salesman of “high-end vacuum cleaners,” and he won over the Poles by appealing to their nationalistic hubris. [https://i2.wp.com/orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/trump-warsaw.jpg?resize=1000%2C566&ssl=1] In economic terms, Trump has set his sights on three specific goals: ensuring Poland’s purchase of expensive American natural gas; forcing Poland to pay billions of dollars into NATO’s piggy bank (i.e., the US military-industrial complex); and playing off the EU’s internal conflicts in order to encourage Poland to lock horns with Germany. He made reference to Russia, the Russian threat, and the historical conflicts between Russia and Poland with the express intention of furthering these goals, and it must be said that the American president did this masterfully. Convincing Poland to buy American LNG, which is far more expensive than gas from Gazprom, would seem a hard sell. Or, to be more precise, although politicians can be coerced into agreement, how can ordinary voters also be persuaded to look favorably upon this bloated price tag, which, according to various estimates, will be 50% to 150% higher than the cost of Russian gas? Like a seasoned huckster, the American president pulled one of the best trump cards out of his marked deck by offering the Poles a bonus in the form of independence from “a single [Russian] supplier of energy.” In fact, the American leader claimed that Poland wasn’t getting just American gas, but genuine American gas “with the taste of independence from Russia,” implying that such gas must naturally be very expensive and that its consumption is a sign of national success, prestige, and membership in an elite Western club. Appeals to elitism and the quest for status through the consumption of some unjustifiably expensive product or service is also a classic gimmick straight out of the professional arsenal of any salesmen of “high-end vacuum cleaners,” but the ruse is seemingly less apparent when it is being used by an American president. In order to ensure that this tribute would be paid to NATO each year with great enthusiasm, Trump used a different method, this time working straight from the Amway playbook. Fear is a powerful sales tool. And here Russia once again proved useful. In this context it needed to be presented as a source of danger, from which only NATO and the corresponding contributions to the US military-industrial complex and the Pentagon can possibly save Poland, Europe, and the whole world. Translated into marketing jargon, the US president’s message was reminiscent of a classic push such as “buy our pills, otherwise tomorrow all your teeth will fall out and you’ll die in agony from some awful disease.” NATO generals have long complained that the alliance has problems with its image and the way it is advertised to the public. Trump has solved these problems in his own way, pitching NATO as a very expensive but essential tonic to ward off all geopolitical perils. The fact that these risks are illusory does not bother anyone. [https://i2.wp.com/orientalreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/pol-part.gif?resize=300%2C284&ssl=1]Trump’s final and most difficult challenge was to encourage Warsaw “to bravely persist in its open, unflinching conflict with Berlin,” as part of the battle to maintain American control over the European Union. To achieve this goal, it was necessary to extinguish both rational thought as well as historical memory in Poland. It is political suicide for Poland to engage in open conflict with the most powerful state in the EU, whose economic and political power allows it to lay claim to the title of the leader of the European Union, especially given the German political elite’s express wish to suppress any opposition from within Europe to its own hegemony. But the Poles’ historical memory has to be extinguished in order for the country to forget how things worked out for them in the past whenever they entered into a confrontation with both Russia and Germany at the same time. Those attempts were rare, each time ending in Poland herself being erased from the global map. But apparently Trump has managed to pull this off, at least as far as the Polish elite was concerned. This was the goal of the most stirring moment of his speech – his proclamation of what was practically a crusade in defense of Western values, praising Poland for remaining true to the ideals of the collective West, and, of course, promising “protection and unwavering support” from the US. It is entirely possible that Warsaw’s future attacks on Moscow and Berlin will be viewed by Polish politicians as the elements of a holy war to defend Western civilization from the German and Russian barbarians, but history has shown that, when in a conflict with one’s neighbors, counting on assistance from overseas is a losing strategy. Source in Russian: Crimson Alter Adapted and translated by ORIENTAL REVIEW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 22:06:57 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 22:06:57 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] "Eugene Debs and the Kingdom of Evil" by Chris Hedges Message-ID: Monday, July 17, 2017 * Home * World * War & Peace * Economy * Climate * Rights * Solutions * U.S. * Canada Eugene Debs and the Kingdom of Evil Published on Monday, July 17, 2017 by Common Dreams Eugene Debs and the Kingdom of Evil by Chris Hedges * * * * * * * 7 Comments [https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/views-article/eugenedebs_590.jpg?itok=B83jvi0e] "Eugene Victor Debs, whose home is an infrequently visited museum on the campus of Indiana State University, was the most important political figure of the 20th century." (Photo: Mr. Fish / Truthdig) TERRE HAUTE, Ind.—Eugene Victor Debs, whose home is an infrequently visited museum on the campus of Indiana State University, was the most important political figure of the 20th century. He built the socialist movement in America and was eventually crucified by the capitalist class when he and hundreds of thousands of followers became a potent political threat. Debs burst onto the national stage when he organized a railroad strike in 1894 after the Pullman Co. cut wages by up to one-third but did not lower rents in company housing or reduce dividend payments to its stockholders. Over a hundred thousand workers staged what became the biggest strike in U.S. history on trains carrying Pullman cars. The response was swift and brutal. “Mobilizing all the powers of capital, the owners, representing twenty-four railroads with combined capital of $818,000,00, fought back with the courts and the armed forces of the Federal government behind them,” Barbara W. Tuchman writes in “The Proud Tower: A Portrait of the World Before the War, 1890-1914.” “Three thousand police in the Chicago area were mobilized against the strikers, five thousand professional strikebreakers were sworn in as Federal deputy marshals and given firearms; ultimately six thousand Federal and State troops were brought in, less for the protection of property and the public than to break the strike and crush the union.” Attorney General Richard Olney, who as Tuchman writes “had been a lawyer for railroads before entering the Cabinet and was still a director of several lines involved in the strike,” issued an injunction rendering the strike illegal. The conflict, as Debs would write, was a battle between “the producing classes and the money power of the country.” Debs and the union leaders defied the injunction. They were arrested, denied bail and sent to jail for six months. The strike was broken. Thirty workers had been killed. Sixty had been injured. Over 700 had been arrested. The Pullman Co. hired new workers under “yellow dog contracts,” agreements that forbade them to unionize. When he was in jail, Debs read the works of socialist writers Edward Bellamy and Karl Kautsky as well as Karl Marx’s “Das Kapital.” The books, especially Marx’s three volumes, set the “wires humming in my system.” “I was to be baptized in Socialism in the roar of the conflict. … [I]n the gleam of every bayonet and the flash of every rifle the class struggle was revealed,” he writes. “This was my first practical lesson in Socialism.” Debs came to the conclusion that no strike or labor movement could ultimately be successful as long as the government was controlled by the capitalist class. Any advances made by an organized working class would be reversed once the capitalists regained absolute power, often by temporarily mollifying workers with a few reforms. Working men and women had to achieve political power, a goal of Britain’s Labour Party for workers at the time, or they would forever be at the mercy of the bosses. Debs feared the rise of the monolithic corporate state. He foresaw that corporations, unchecked, would expand to “continental proportions and swallow up the national resources and the means of production and distribution.” If that happened, he warned, the long “night of capitalism will be dark.” This was a period in U.S. history when many American Christians were socialists. Walter Rauschenbusch, a Christian theologian, Baptist minister and leader of the Social Gospel movement, thundered against capitalism. He defined the six pillars of the “kingdom of evil” as “religious bigotry, the combination of graft and political power, the corruption of justice, the mob spirit (being ‘the social group gone mad’) and mob action, militarism[,] and class contempt.” Debs turned to the Bible as often to Marx, arguing “Cain was the author of the competitive theory” and the “cross of Jesus stands as its eternal denial.” Debs’ fiery speeches, replete with words like “sin” and “redemption,” were often thinly disguised sermons. He equated the crucified Christ with the abolitionist John Brown. He insisted that Jesus came “to destroy class rule and set up the common people as the sole and rightful inheritors of the earth.” “What is Socialism?” he once asked. “Merely Christianity in action.” He was fond of quoting the poet James Russell Lowell, who writes: He’s true to God who’s true to man; Whenever wrong is done. To the humblest and the weakest, ’neath the all-beholding sun. That wrong is also done to us, And they are slaves most base, Whose love of right is for themselves And not for all the race. It was also a period beset with violence, including anarchist bombings and assassinations. An anarchist killed President William McKinley in 1901, unleashing a wave of state repression against social and radical movements. Striking workers engaged in periodic gun battles, especially in the coalfields of southern West Virginia, with heavily armed company goons, National Guard units, paramilitary groups such as the Coal and Iron Police, and the U.S. Army. Debs, although a sworn enemy of the capitalist elites, was adamantly opposed to violence and sabotage, arguing that these actions allowed the state to demonize the socialist movement and enabled the destructive efforts of agents provocateurs. The conflict with the capitalist class, Debs argued, was at its core about competing values. In an interview conducted while he was in jail after the Pullman strike, he stressed the importance of “education, industry, frugality, integrity, veracity, fidelity, sobriety and charity.” A life of moral probity was vital as an example in the face of capitalist exploitation, but that was not enough to defeat the “kingdom of evil.” The owners and managers of corporations, driven by greed and a lust for power, would never play fair. They would always seek to use the law as an instrument of oppression and increase profits through machines, a reduction in wages, a denial of benefits and union busting. They would sacrifice anyone and anything—including democracy and the natural world—to achieve their goals. Debs, if he could hear today’s proponents of the “free market,” self-help gurus, positive psychologists, talk show hosts and the political class as they exhort Americans to work harder, get an education, follow their dreams, remain positive and believe in themselves and American exceptionalism, would have scoffed in derision. He knew that corporate power is countered only through organized and collective resistance by workers forced to fight a bitter class war. Debs turned to politics when he was released from jail in 1895. He was one of the founders of the Socialist Party of America and, in 1905, the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW), or “Wobblies.” He was the Socialist Party candidate for the U.S. presidency five times in the period 1900 through 1920—once when he was in prison—and he ran for Congress in 1916. Debs was a powerful orator and drew huge crowds across the country. Fifteen thousand people once paid 15 cents to a dollar each to hear him in New York City’s Madison Square Garden. In his speeches and writings he demanded an end to child labor and denounced Jim Crow and lynching. He called for the vote for women, a graduated income tax, unemployment compensation, the direct election of senators, employer liability laws, national departments of education and health, guaranteed pensions for the elderly, nationalization of the banking and transport systems, and replacing “wage slavery” with cooperative industries. As a presidential campaigner he traveled from New York to California on a train, called the Red Special, speaking to tens of thousands. He helped elect socialist mayors in some 70 cities, including Milwaukee, as well as numerous legislators and city council members. He propelled two socialists into Congress. In the elections of 1912 he received nearly a million votes, 6 percent of the electorate. Eighteen thousand people went to see him in Philadelphia and 22,000 in New York City. He terrified the ruling elites, who began to institute tepid reforms to attempt to stanch the growing support for the socialists. Debs after the 1912 election was a marked man. On June 18, 1918, in Canton, Ohio, he denounced, as he had often done in the past, the unholy alliance between capitalism and war, the use of the working class by the capitalists as cannon fodder in World War I and the Wilson administration’s persecution of anti-war activists, unionists, anarchists, socialists and communists. President Woodrow Wilson, who had a deep animus toward Debs, had him arrested under the Sedition Act, which made it a crime to “willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of the Government of the United States” or to “willfully urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of the production” of anything “necessary or essential to the prosecution of [a U.S. war, in this case against Germany and its allies].” Debs did not contest the charges. At his trial, he declared: “Washington, Paine, Adams—these were the rebels of their day. At first they were opposed by the people and denounced by the press. … And if the Revolution had failed, the revolutionary fathers would have been executed as felons. But it did not fail. Revolutions have a habit of succeeding when the time comes for them.” On Sept. 18, 1918, minutes before he was sentenced to a 10-year prison term and stripped of his citizenship, the 62-year-old Debs rose and told the court: Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free. I listened to all that was said in this court in support and justification of this prosecution, but my mind remains unchanged. I look upon the Espionage Law as a despotic enactment in flagrant conflict with democratic principles and with the spirit of free institutions. … Your Honor, I have stated in this court that I am opposed to the social system in which we live; that I believe in a fundamental change—but if possible by peaceable and orderly means. … Standing here this morning, I recall my boyhood. At fourteen I went to work in a railroad shop; at sixteen I was firing a freight engine on a railroad. I remember all the hardships and privations of that earlier day, and from that time until now my heart has been with the working class. I could have been in Congress long ago. I have preferred to go to prison. … I am thinking this morning of the men in the mills and the factories; of the men in the mines and on the railroads. I am thinking of the women who for a paltry wage are compelled to work out their barren lives; of the little children who in this system are robbed of their childhood and in their tender years are seized in the remorseless grasp of Mammon and forced into the industrial dungeons, there to feed the monster machines while they themselves are being starved and stunted, body and soul. I see them dwarfed and diseased and their little lives broken and blasted because in this high noon of Christian civilization money is still so much more important than the flesh and blood of childhood. In very truth gold is god today and rules with pitiless sway in the affairs of men. In this country—the most favored beneath the bending skies—we have vast areas of the richest and most fertile soil, material resources in inexhaustible abundance, the most marvelous productive machinery on earth, and millions of eager workers ready to apply their labor to that machinery to produce in abundance for every man, woman, and child—and if there are still vast numbers of our people who are the victims of poverty and whose lives are an unceasing struggle all the way from youth to old age, until at last death comes to their rescue and lulls these hapless victims to dreamless sleep, it is not the fault of the Almighty: it cannot be charged to nature, but it is due entirely to the outgrown social system in which we live that ought to be abolished not only in the interest of the toiling masses but in the higher interest of all humanity. … I believe, Your Honor, in common with all Socialists, that this nation ought to own and control its own industries. I believe, as all Socialists do, that all things that are jointly needed and used ought to be jointly owned—that industry, the basis of our social life, instead of being the private property of a few and operated for their enrichment, ought to be the common property of all, democratically administered in the interest of all. … I am opposing a social order in which it is possible for one man who does absolutely nothing that is useful to amass a fortune of hundreds of millions of dollars, while millions of men and women who work all the days of their lives secure barely enough for a wretched existence. This order of things cannot always endure. I have registered my protest against it. I recognize the feebleness of my effort, but, fortunately, I am not alone. There are multiplied thousands of others who, like myself, have come to realize that before we may truly enjoy the blessings of civilized life, we must reorganize society upon a mutual and cooperative basis; and to this end we have organized a great economic and political movement that spreads over the face of all the earth. There are today upwards of sixty millions of Socialists, loyal, devoted adherents to this cause, regardless of nationality, race, creed, color, or sex. They are all making common cause. They are spreading with tireless energy the propaganda of the new social order. They are waiting, watching, and working hopefully through all the hours of the day and the night. They are still in a minority. But they have learned how to be patient and to bide their time. The feel—they know, indeed—that the time is coming, in spite of all opposition, all persecution, when this emancipating gospel will spread among all the peoples, and when this minority will become the triumphant majority and, sweeping into power, inaugurate the greatest social and economic change in history. In that day we shall have the universal commonwealth—the harmonious cooperation of every nation with every other nation on earth. … Your Honor, I ask no mercy and I plead for no immunity. I realize that finally the right must prevail. I never so clearly comprehended as now the great struggle between the powers of greed and exploitation on the one hand and upon the other the rising hosts of industrial freedom and social justice. I can see the dawn of the better day for humanity. The people are awakening. In due time they will and must come to their own. When the mariner, sailing over tropic seas, looks for relief from his weary watch, he turns his eyes toward the southern cross, burning luridly above the tempest-vexed ocean. As the midnight approaches, the southern cross begins to bend, the whirling worlds change their places, and with starry finger-points the Almighty marks the passage of time upon the dial of the universe, and though no bell may beat the glad tidings, the lookout knows that the midnight is passing and that relief and rest are close at hand. Let the people everywhere take heart of hope, for the cross is bending, the midnight is passing, and joy cometh with the morning. Three years later, Debs’ sentence was commuted by President Warren Harding to time served, and, in broken health, he was released from prison in December of 1921. His citizenship was not restored until five decades after his 1926 death. The labor movement and socialist party he had struggled to build had been ruthlessly crushed, often through violent attacks orchestrated by the state and corporations and mass arrests and deportations carried out during the Palmer Raids in November 1919 and January 1920. The government had shut down socialist publications, such as Appeal to Reason and The Masses. The “Red Scare” was used as an ideological weapon by the state, and especially the FBI after it was established in 1908, to discredit, persecute and silence dissent. The breakdown of capitalism saw a short-lived revival of organized labor during the 1930s, often led by the Communist Party, and during a short period after World War II, and this resurgence triggered yet another prolonged assault by the capitalist class. We have returned to an oligarchic purgatory. Wall Street and the global corporations, including the fossil fuel industry and the war industry, have iron control over the government. The social, political and civil rights won by workers in long and bloody struggles have been stripped away. Government regulations have been rolled back to permit capitalists to engage in abuse and fraud. The political elites, along with their courtiers in the media and academia, are hapless corporate stooges. Social and economic inequality replicates the worst excesses of the robber barons. And the great civic, labor and political organizations that fought for working men and women are moribund or dead. We have to begin all over again. And we must do so understanding, as Debs did, that any accommodation with members of the capitalist class is futile and self-defeating. They are the enemy. They will degrade and destroy everything, including the ecosystem, to get richer. They are not capable of reform. I walked through the Debs home in Terre Haute with its curator, Allison Duerk. It has about 700 visitors a year. Rarely do these visits include school groups. The valiant struggle by radical socialists and workers, hundreds of whom were murdered in labor struggles, has been consciously erased from our history and replaced with the vacuity of celebrity culture and the cult of the self. “Teaching this kind of people’s history puts a lot of power in working-class people’s hands,” Duerk said. “We all know what that threatens.” The walls of the two-story frame house, built by Debs and his wife in 1890, are covered with photos and posters, including pictures of Debs’ funeral on the porch and 5,000 mourners in the front yard. There is the key to the cell in which he was held when he was jailed the first time. There is a photo of Convict No. 9653 holding a bouquet at the entrance to the federal penitentiary in Atlanta as he accepts the nomination from leaders of the Socialist Party to be their 1920 presidential candidate. There are gifts including an intricately inlaid wooden table and an ornately carved cane that prisoners sent to Debs, a tireless advocate for prisoner rights. I opened the glass panel of a cherry wood bookshelf and pulled out one of Debs’ books, running my fingers lightly over his signature on the front inside flap. I read a passage from a speech he gave in 1905 in Chicago: The capitalist who does no useful work has the economic power to take from a thousand or ten thousand workingmen all they produce, over and above what is required to keep them in working and producing order, and he becomes a millionaire, perhaps a multi-millionaire. He lives in a palace in which there is music and singing and dancing and the luxuries of all climes. He sails the high seas in his private yacht. He is the reputed “captain of industry” who privately owns a social utility, has great economic power, and commands the political power of the nation to protect his economic interests. He is the gentleman who furnishes the “political boss” and his swarm of mercenaries with the funds with which the politics of the nation are corrupted and debauched. He is the economic master and the political ruler and you workingmen are almost as completely at his mercy as if you were his property under the law. I leafed through copies of Appeal to Reason, the Socialist party newspaper Debs edited, which once had almost 800,000 readers and the fourth highest circulation in the country. Debs, like many of his generation, was literate. He read and reread “Les Misérables” in French. It was his father’s bible. It became his own. His parents, émigrés from Alsace, named him after the French novelists Eugene Sue and Victor Hugo. His father read Sue, Hugo, Voltaire, Rousseau, Dumas and other authors to his six children. Debs found in Hugo’s majestic novel the pathos of the struggle by the wretched of the earth for dignity and freedom. He was well aware, like Hugo, that the good were usually relentlessly persecuted, that they were not rewarded for virtue and that those who held fast to truth and justice often found their way to their own cross. But there was no other choice for him: The kingdom of evil had to be fought. It was a moral imperative. It was what made us human. “Intellectual and moral growth is no less indispensable than material improvement,” Hugo writes in an appendix to “Les Misérables.” “Knowledge is a viaticum; thought is a prime necessity; truth is nourishment, like wheat. A reasoning faculty, deprived of knowledge and wisdom, pines away. We should feel the same pity for minds that do not eat as for stomachs. If there be anything sadder than a body perishing for want of bread, it is a mind dying of hunger for lack of light.” -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If passed, it will deny tens of millions access to health care and represent one of the greatest transfers of wealth from the working class to the 1% in U.S. history through massive tax cuts for the super-rich and corporations. We need a full mobilization of the opposition to TrumpCare through rallies, protests, and occupations of Republican Senators’ offices. The Republicans are struggling to overcome internal divisions, but we need to keep the pressure up to ensure the defeat of TrumpCare. A victory on this issue could help give confidence to the fight for Medicare for all! In Solidarity, Socialist Alternative Champaign-Urbana Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SocialistAlternativeCU/ National Website: https://www.socialistalternative.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25784 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Tue Jul 18 11:39:52 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:39:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] A result of the fall of Libya? Message-ID: * WSWS * ICFI * Mehring Books * Mobile * RSS Feeds * Podcast * Newsletter * Select a language Afrikaans >العربية Čeština Deutsch Ελληνικά English Español فارسی Français Bahasa Indonesia Italiano Norsk Polski Português Română Русский Srpskohrvatski Sinhalese தமிழ் Türkçe اُردُو‎ 中文 Mali war spilling into Burkina Faso, Niger By Thomas Gaist 18 July 2017 wsws.org Four and a half years after the January 2013 invasion of Mali by a US-backed French invasion force, the war is spiraling toward a larger regional conflict, prompting border closures by neighboring governments, and spurring escalations by the Western governments. Mali’s border areas are experiencing “a significant expansion of violent extremist and terrorist activities, including coordinated cross-border attacks against security posts and ransacking of border settlements," the United Nations top official for West Africa said Thursday. Additionally, opposition groups staged protests over the weekend in Bamako, Mali’s capital, rallying thousands of demonstrators in the name of blocking proposed legal changes that would transfer emergency powers to the government of President Ibrahim Boubacar Keita. Last Monday, eight Malian troops were ambushed and killed traveling between Gao and Menaka. On Wednesday, Burkina Faso armed forces clashed with heavily armed militants along the Burkina-Mali border. On Friday, Mauritania declared its northeastern border a closed, militarized area, announcing that “any individual circulating or transiting in this part of the national territory will be treated as a military target.” On July 8, JNIM attacked a French Army base near the town of Tessalit, killing at least three French soldiers. On July 9, JNIM fighters attacked a police station in Mobti province. In March, Mali’s main Islamist factions, Ansar Dine, Al-Mourabitoun, the Massina factions and Al Qaida announced their merger into a new formation, Nusrat-ul-Islam, under the leadership of Iyad Ag Ghaly. An Al Qaida branch in Mali known as the Support of Islam and Muslims (JNIM) attacked a Nigerian garrison near the village of Tsawah along the Mali-Niger border in June. French President Emmanuel Macron traveled to Timbuktu at the beginning of July to discuss plans to expand the “G5 Sahel” multinational army, an imperialist proxy coalition established in February 2014, consisting of forces from the governments of Niger, Chad, Burkina Faso and Mauritania. On July 2, Macron called on the G5 coalition to contribute 5,000 soldiers in support of French military activities against “terrorists, thugs and murderers.” “This force is first going to secure the borders, particularly in the areas where terrorist groups have developed,” French Foreign Minister Yves Le Drian told Le Monde. “It doesn’t look like France will be pulling out of Mali anytime soon,” France 24 noted in response to the announcement. Complementing expanding French military operations the German parliament voted in January to expand troop deployments in Mali from 350 to 1,000, making Mali the German military’s largest overseas mission. The immediate causes of the Mali war flowed from the fallout from the 2011 US-NATO war against Libya. Beginning in January 2012, the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawad (MNLA), a Tuareg ethnic militia, launched an insurrection against the central government and established control over portions of northern Mali. In March 2012, a coup d’état led by government soldiers declaring themselves the National Committee for the Restoration of Democracy and State (CNRDR), removed President Amadou Toure from power. Rebel militia groups seized control of Malian cities of Gao, Timbuktu and Kidal in wake of the coup. From January 2013, Paris responded with repeated waves of troop deployments, with backing from Washington. The 2013 invasion, “Operation Serval,” served as the spearhead for a major expansion of French militarism across the country’s former colonial holdings in West Africa. In exchange for French “assistance” in stabilizing northern Mali, Paris demanded and received basing rights for its troops throughout the country. Previous Malian governments had been among the few regimes in Francophone Africa to resist such arrangements, limiting French military activities to small-scale training of local forces. Prior to 2013, French combat troops had been absent from Malian territory since their withdrawal following the country’s formal independence in 1960. As part of “Operation Barkhane,” the successor to “Serval,” some 6,000 French ground troops, hundreds of armored vehicles, war planes, attack helicopters, and drones are now deployed throughout the Sahel. Additional German and French troops deployed under European Union flags in February 2014, for the official purpose of training of Malian units. The American and European ruling elites are determined to tighten their grip over the Sahel, which is home to massive natural resource deposits, including uranium and numerous precious metals, and is speculated to have the largest untapped petroleum reserves in Africa. Mali’s northern Taoudeni basin has been known to contain large gas and petroleum reserves since the 1970s. In 2011, the French firm Total claimed to have found “the El Dorado of petroleum reserves” in the northern desert region. A 2015 US geological analysis found that the Taoudeni Basin contains “160 million barrels of conventional oil, 1,880 billion cubic feet of conventional gas, 602 million barrels of shale oil, and 6,395 billion cubic feet of shale gas.” Involvement by French, German and other European Union (EU) forces in the Sahel is part of “a major new direction in European security policy,” according to the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR). For the European powers, the Sahel represents “a second front in the war on terror,” that is “building alongside a growing number of multinationals hoping to extract oil and gas reserves of Mali and Mauritania, and strong French military presence,” according to Environmental Justice Atlas. In addition to seizing control over the continent’s resources, and asserting the interests of the dominant European banks and corporations, the European powers view the militarization of the Sahel as a means to suppress the flood of refugees northward toward the Mediterranean. These policies are aimed at reasserting the colonial order established by world imperialism during the 19th and 20th centuries. Throughout the period of “decolonization” from the 1960s onward, the economies and societies of West Africa were subordinated to the needs of French imperialism through an array of mechanisms, including control over African currency reserves and raw materials, monopoly rights for French firms in all key sectors of the economy, and permanent military and police basing arrangements on African soil. Dozens of coups d’etat have been engineered from Paris against African governments, beginning with the assassination of Togo’s head of state, Sylvanus Olympio in 1963, who made the fatal mistake of attempting to transition Togo’s economy to its own national currency. Malian President Modiba Keita met a similar fate after seeking to leave the French currency zone in June 1962. In 1975 and again in 1989, French military officers organized the overthrow of Chadian Presidents. In 2003, French troops toppled Central African Republic (CAR) President Ange-Felix Patasse, placing in power General Francois Bozize, after Patasse sought to expel France’s military presence from the CAR. At present, nearly 2,000 French troops are operating in Central African Republic as part of “peacekeeping mission” alongside African Union troops. More recently, in 2009, Paris organized a coup against the Madagascar government of Marc Ravalomanana, after he sought business deals with rival imperialist interests at the expense of French corporations. “France established military bases in Africa during the colonial period, and maintained a military presence in Africa after the 'flag independence' of its former colonies in the 1960s,” Gary Busch wrote in an article for Pambazuka News this week. “These agreements allowed France to have pre-deployed troops and police in bases across Africa; in other words, French army and gendarme units present permanently and by rotation in bases and military facilities in Africa, run entirely by the French. The Colonial Pact was much more than an agreement to station soldiers across Africa. It bound the economies of Africa to the control of France,” Busch noted. Notwithstanding the incessant rhetoric about “fighting terrorism,” the thousands of Western soldiers invading Africa are sent primarily to secure strategic interests. The stage is being set for a ferocious antagonistic struggle between the major powers for control over the continent. The coming to power of the Trump administration, with its ultra-nationalist “America First” agenda, is intensifying the inter-imperialist tensions and fueling conflicts in every sub-region of Africa. This week saw Western media issuing ominous warnings about the dangers of piracy and terrorism in the Gulf of Guinea, Niger Delta, and the Lake Chad Basin. Some 5.2 million have already been displaced by the Western-backed Chadian-led invasion of northern Nigeria, justified in the name of “fighting” Boko Haram. The expansion of the Mali war is an advanced expression of the tendencies toward war and social breakdown at work throughout Africa and worldwide. Two and half decades after the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the supposed “End of History,” Africa’s governments are tottering in the face of war, famine and disease. The only response of Africa’s national elites is further war preparations and deeper integration into the corporate, political and military establishments of North American and Western Europe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Wed Jul 19 18:47:59 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:47:59 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney Message-ID: Let's draft Carl Estabrook to run against Rodney Davis in the Republican primary for Congress as an anti-war, health care for all candidate. Why not? What's the downside? === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 19:54:25 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:54:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 19:54:25 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 19:54:25 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 20:24:14 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:24:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government References: Message-ID: And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 20:24:14 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:24:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government References: Message-ID: And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 20:54:29 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:54:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 20:54:29 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:54:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 21:00:49 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:00:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government References: Message-ID: Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 21:00:49 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:00:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government References: Message-ID: Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 21:39:20 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 21:39:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> Hey, good idea! We have frequently been told that there are multitudes of peace-loving voters out there — especially Republicans — who were deceived & betrayed by the vicious, disingenuous warmonger Obama, who endlessly lied to them about his true intention of waging imperialistic wars everywhere in obedience to his masters in the 1%. They are no doubt yearning for an authentic peace candidate who will promise to quickly shut down all the foreign wars started or enlarged by the neocons & neolibs. ~~ Ron From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 21:53:54 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:53:54 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> References: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> What you say is quite true, Ron (although I detect a note of sarcasm…): "Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 as a peace candidate. He signaled that he would fundamentally change America’s course after the reckless carnage unleashed by the George W. Bush administration. However, by the end of Obama’s presidency, the United States was bombing seven different foreign nations…” > "Clinton lost because war-ravaged communities in PA, WI, and MI saw her as pro-war, study says…” > —CGE > On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Hey, good idea! We have frequently been told that there are multitudes of peace-loving voters out there — especially Republicans — who were deceived & betrayed by the vicious, disingenuous warmonger Obama, who endlessly lied to them about his true intention of waging imperialistic wars everywhere in obedience to his masters in the 1%. > > They are no doubt yearning for an authentic peace candidate who will promise to quickly shut down all the foreign wars started or enlarged by the neocons & neolibs. > > ~~ Ron > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Wed Jul 19 21:59:39 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:59:39 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> References: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> Message-ID: OK, Carl, what do you say? Why don't you primary Rodney? What's the downside? Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > What you say is quite true, Ron (although I detect a note of sarcasm…): > > "Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 as a peace > candidate. He signaled that he would fundamentally change America’s course > after the reckless carnage unleashed by the George W. Bush > administration. However, by the end of Obama’s presidency, the United > States was bombing seven different foreign nations…” > > > > "Clinton lost because war-ravaged communities in PA, WI, and MI saw her as > pro-war, study says…” > > > —CGE > > > On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > Hey, good idea! We have frequently been told that there are multitudes of > peace-loving voters out there — especially Republicans — who were deceived > & betrayed by the vicious, disingenuous warmonger Obama, who endlessly lied > to them about his true intention of waging imperialistic wars everywhere > in obedience to his masters in the 1%. > > They are no doubt yearning for an authentic peace candidate who will > promise to quickly shut down all the foreign wars started or enlarged by > the neocons & neolibs. > > ~~ Ron > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jul 19 22:13:19 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:13:19 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: References: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <81C15E28-57A5-4D1D-AD00-D03094A39693@illinois.edu> I think I suffer in this regard from Statistician’s Disease - 'Broken Down by Sex and Age’: i.e., the candidate should be a woman, and I’m too old... —CGE > On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > > OK, Carl, what do you say? Why don't you primary Rodney? What's the downside? > > > > > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 > > Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 > > > > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > What you say is quite true, Ron (although I detect a note of sarcasm…): > > "Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 as a peace candidate. He signaled that he would fundamentally change America’s course after the reckless carnage unleashed by the George W. Bush administration. However, by the end of Obama’s presidency, the United States was bombing seven different foreign nations…” > > > > "Clinton lost because war-ravaged communities in PA, WI, and MI saw her as pro-war, study says…” > > > > —CGE > > >> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> Hey, good idea! We have frequently been told that there are multitudes of peace-loving voters out there — especially Republicans — who were deceived & betrayed by the vicious, disingenuous warmonger Obama, who endlessly lied to them about his true intention of waging imperialistic wars everywhere in obedience to his masters in the 1%. >> >> They are no doubt yearning for an authentic peace candidate who will promise to quickly shut down all the foreign wars started or enlarged by the neocons & neolibs. >> >> ~~ Ron >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Wed Jul 19 22:24:59 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:24:59 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: <81C15E28-57A5-4D1D-AD00-D03094A39693@illinois.edu> References: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> <81C15E28-57A5-4D1D-AD00-D03094A39693@illinois.edu> Message-ID: On the gender question, you'd be running in the Republican primary, and Republicans care much less about that in general. Look at the Republican Caucus in the House - it's overwhelmingly male. On the age question, I think people would excuse you if you didn't run all over the district. You'd get a bunch of free media just by being a candidate with which to challenge Rodney on war and peace issues, and civil liberties issues; you wouldn't need to run back and forth to Taylorville. Basically all you have to do is gather the petitions, which as we know is a low bar for a major political party, and file the papers. Then you get free media. Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > I think I suffer in this regard from Statistician’s Disease - 'Broken Down > by Sex and Age’: > > i.e., the candidate should be a woman, and I’m too old... > > —CGE > > > > > On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: > > OK, Carl, what do you say? Why don't you primary Rodney? What's the > downside? > > > > > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> > > Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on- > davidson?r_by=1135580 > > > > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> What you say is quite true, Ron (although I detect a note of sarcasm…): >> >> "Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 as a peace >> candidate. He signaled that he would fundamentally change America’s course >> after the reckless carnage unleashed by the George W. Bush >> administration. However, by the end of Obama’s presidency, the United >> States was bombing seven different foreign nations…” >> > i-war-protest/> >> >> "Clinton lost because war-ravaged communities in PA, WI, and MI saw her >> as pro-war, study says…” >> >> >> —CGE >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss < >> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >> Hey, good idea! We have frequently been told that there are multitudes >> of peace-loving voters out there — especially Republicans — who were >> deceived & betrayed by the vicious, disingenuous warmonger Obama, who >> endlessly lied to them about his true intention of waging imperialistic >> wars everywhere in obedience to his masters in the 1%. >> >> They are no doubt yearning for an authentic peace candidate who will >> promise to quickly shut down all the foreign wars started or enlarged by >> the neocons & neolibs. >> >> ~~ Ron >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sign the petition: https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jul 20 11:34:31 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:34:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually Wise {sic!} is the Worst Chancellor we have had since I started teaching here in August of 1978. And that is really saying something. Because the Central Administration is as corrupt as the Sports Teams when I came here in August of 1978. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:01 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jul 20 11:34:31 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 11:34:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually Wise {sic!} is the Worst Chancellor we have had since I started teaching here in August of 1978. And that is really saying something. Because the Central Administration is as corrupt as the Sports Teams when I came here in August of 1978. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:01 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jul 20 12:11:12 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:11:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] please sign and spread the word In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Deb All due respect, as I know you mean well, as do many others…….. Any suggestion that peace begins at home is nonsense. We will only have peace when we stop our perpetual wars oversea’s. Destroying others homes, lives to steal their resources is most egregious. The focus on prosperity here, as long as we continue killing others, only brings continued prosperity to the 1%, and poverty to everyone else. > On Jul 20, 2017, at 02:24, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace wrote: > > Please sign and spread the word. Peace and prosperity start at home. > Thanks, > Deb > > > Please sign this petition for the People’s Platform, to be presented > to the Democratic National Committee next week. Together we can change > the direction of the Democratic Party and present a bold vision for > the future. > > https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda > > The eight pieces of legislation that make up the core of the People's > Platform each embody an important part of the Democratic Party's > platform: > > Health Care for All: H.R. 676 Medicare for All Act > > Education for All: H.R. 1880 College for All Act of 2017 > > Workers' Rights: H.R. 15 Raise the Wage Act > > Women's Rights: H.R. 771 Equal Access to Abortion Coverage in > Health Insurance (EACH Woman) Act of 2017 > > Voting Rights: H.R. 2840 Automatic Voter Registration Act > > Environmental Justice: Climate Change Bill (yet to be introduced) > > Criminal Justice and Immigrant Rights: H.R. 3543 Justice Is Not > for Sale Act of 2017 > > Tax on Wall Street: H.R. 1144 Inclusive Prosperity Act > > Progressive Democrats of America is partnering with other progressive > organizations to make 2017 a Summer of Progress. Be part of it. Sign > the petition: > > https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com Thu Jul 20 12:20:25 2017 From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 07:20:25 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] please sign and spread the word In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <590CBC4F-8ABA-4B03-AE3C-A38DCAD02AD8@gmail.com> Karen I understand your position, and truly we need action both in domestic and foreign policy. This petition addresses the domestic side, and none of these bills would increase prosperity of the 1% at the expense of the rest of us. One would hope that a healthier, better educated, fair-minded electorate would make wiser choices in elected officials than our current electeds. Deb Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Deb > > All due respect, as I know you mean well, as do many others…….. > > Any suggestion that peace begins at home is nonsense. We will only have peace when we stop our perpetual wars oversea’s. Destroying others homes, lives to steal their resources is most egregious. The focus on prosperity here, as long as we continue killing others, only brings continued prosperity to the 1%, and poverty to everyone else. > > >> On Jul 20, 2017, at 02:24, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace wrote: >> >> Please sign and spread the word. Peace and prosperity start at home. >> Thanks, >> Deb >> >> >> Please sign this petition for the People’s Platform, to be presented >> to the Democratic National Committee next week. Together we can change >> the direction of the Democratic Party and present a bold vision for >> the future. >> >> https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda >> >> The eight pieces of legislation that make up the core of the People's >> Platform each embody an important part of the Democratic Party's >> platform: >> >> Health Care for All: H.R. 676 Medicare for All Act >> >> Education for All: H.R. 1880 College for All Act of 2017 >> >> Workers' Rights: H.R. 15 Raise the Wage Act >> >> Women's Rights: H.R. 771 Equal Access to Abortion Coverage in >> Health Insurance (EACH Woman) Act of 2017 >> >> Voting Rights: H.R. 2840 Automatic Voter Registration Act >> >> Environmental Justice: Climate Change Bill (yet to be introduced) >> >> Criminal Justice and Immigrant Rights: H.R. 3543 Justice Is Not >> for Sale Act of 2017 >> >> Tax on Wall Street: H.R. 1144 Inclusive Prosperity Act >> >> Progressive Democrats of America is partnering with other progressive >> organizations to make 2017 a Summer of Progress. Be part of it. Sign >> the petition: >> >> https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jul 20 12:22:49 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:22:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government References: Message-ID: The Sheer Brutality of Wise {sic!} persecuting Salaita, his wife, and their baby is the most despicable act I have ever witnessed since I entered Higher Education in 1968. Ditto for all the Zionists who supported her. They are all despicable people with no Conscience. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:35 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Actually Wise {sic!} is the Worst Chancellor we have had since I started teaching here in August of 1978. And that is really saying something. Because the Central Administration is as corrupt as the Sports Teams when I came here in August of 1978. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:01 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jul 20 12:22:49 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:22:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government References: Message-ID: The Sheer Brutality of Wise {sic!} persecuting Salaita, his wife, and their baby is the most despicable act I have ever witnessed since I entered Higher Education in 1968. Ditto for all the Zionists who supported her. They are all despicable people with no Conscience. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:35 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Actually Wise {sic!} is the Worst Chancellor we have had since I started teaching here in August of 1978. And that is really saying something. Because the Central Administration is as corrupt as the Sports Teams when I came here in August of 1978. Oskee! Bow! Wow! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:01 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jul 20 12:56:23 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:56:23 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] please sign and spread the word In-Reply-To: <590CBC4F-8ABA-4B03-AE3C-A38DCAD02AD8@gmail.com> References: <590CBC4F-8ABA-4B03-AE3C-A38DCAD02AD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Deb As was pointed out in the recent panel discussion “Costs of War,” one cannot hope to achieve success on domestic issues if we separate or neglect to mention "foreign policy. " I support all of the issues below and will sign the petition, if I circulate it, there will be a caveat stating “ the intention of leaving off the most important goal of any progressive movement, that being to end US interventions and perpetual war, is evidence that “The Peoples Agenda” is clearly acting on behalf of the Democrat Party when they fail to recognize the most critical issue facing humanity, next to climate change, perpetual war. Nina Turner made that clear when asked by Paul Jay, why the People’s Agenda Summit ,never mentioned foreign policy, and she replied “maybe next year.” When one smells smoke and sees fire, we don’t say “maybe I’ll call the fire dept., tomorrow.” > On Jul 20, 2017, at 05:20, Debra Schrishuhn wrote: > > Karen > I understand your position, and truly we need action both in domestic and foreign policy. This petition addresses the domestic side, and none of these bills would increase prosperity of the 1% at the expense of the rest of us. One would hope that a healthier, better educated, fair-minded electorate would make wiser choices in elected officials than our current electeds. > Deb > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> Deb >> >> All due respect, as I know you mean well, as do many others…….. >> >> Any suggestion that peace begins at home is nonsense. We will only have peace when we stop our perpetual wars oversea’s. Destroying others homes, lives to steal their resources is most egregious. The focus on prosperity here, as long as we continue killing others, only brings continued prosperity to the 1%, and poverty to everyone else. >> >> >>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 02:24, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace wrote: >>> >>> Please sign and spread the word. Peace and prosperity start at home. >>> Thanks, >>> Deb >>> >>> >>> Please sign this petition for the People’s Platform, to be presented >>> to the Democratic National Committee next week. Together we can change >>> the direction of the Democratic Party and present a bold vision for >>> the future. >>> >>> https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda >>> >>> The eight pieces of legislation that make up the core of the People's >>> Platform each embody an important part of the Democratic Party's >>> platform: >>> >>> Health Care for All: H.R. 676 Medicare for All Act >>> >>> Education for All: H.R. 1880 College for All Act of 2017 >>> >>> Workers' Rights: H.R. 15 Raise the Wage Act >>> >>> Women's Rights: H.R. 771 Equal Access to Abortion Coverage in >>> Health Insurance (EACH Woman) Act of 2017 >>> >>> Voting Rights: H.R. 2840 Automatic Voter Registration Act >>> >>> Environmental Justice: Climate Change Bill (yet to be introduced) >>> >>> Criminal Justice and Immigrant Rights: H.R. 3543 Justice Is Not >>> for Sale Act of 2017 >>> >>> Tax on Wall Street: H.R. 1144 Inclusive Prosperity Act >>> >>> Progressive Democrats of America is partnering with other progressive >>> organizations to make 2017 a Summer of Progress. Be part of it. Sign >>> the petition: >>> >>> https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jul 20 13:22:31 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:22:31 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] please sign and spread the word In-Reply-To: References: <590CBC4F-8ABA-4B03-AE3C-A38DCAD02AD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karen's answer is brilliant, especially as the national Democrats disingenuously continue to push ‘Russiagate’ - and ally with the neocons to kill more people in MENA! > > —CGE > On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Deb > > As was pointed out in the recent panel discussion “Costs of War,” one cannot hope to achieve success on domestic issues if we separate or neglect to mention "foreign policy. " > > I support all of the issues below and will sign the petition, if I circulate it, there will be a caveat stating “ the intention of leaving off the most important goal of any progressive movement, that being to end US interventions and perpetual war, is evidence that “The Peoples Agenda” is clearly acting on behalf of the Democrat Party when they fail to recognize the most critical issue facing humanity, next to climate change, perpetual war. > > Nina Turner made that clear when asked by Paul Jay, why the People’s Agenda Summit ,never mentioned foreign policy, and she replied “maybe next year.” > > When one smells smoke and sees fire, we don’t say “maybe I’ll call the fire dept., tomorrow.” > > >> On Jul 20, 2017, at 05:20, Debra Schrishuhn wrote: >> >> Karen >> I understand your position, and truly we need action both in domestic and foreign policy. This petition addresses the domestic side, and none of these bills would increase prosperity of the 1% at the expense of the rest of us. One would hope that a healthier, better educated, fair-minded electorate would make wiser choices in elected officials than our current electeds. >> Deb >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >>> >>> Deb >>> >>> All due respect, as I know you mean well, as do many others…….. >>> >>> Any suggestion that peace begins at home is nonsense. We will only have peace when we stop our perpetual wars oversea’s. Destroying others homes, lives to steal their resources is most egregious. The focus on prosperity here, as long as we continue killing others, only brings continued prosperity to the 1%, and poverty to everyone else. >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 02:24, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace wrote: >>>> >>>> Please sign and spread the word. Peace and prosperity start at home. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Deb >>>> >>>> >>>> Please sign this petition for the People’s Platform, to be presented >>>> to the Democratic National Committee next week. Together we can change >>>> the direction of the Democratic Party and present a bold vision for >>>> the future. >>>> >>>> https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda >>>> >>>> The eight pieces of legislation that make up the core of the People's >>>> Platform each embody an important part of the Democratic Party's >>>> platform: >>>> >>>> Health Care for All: H.R. 676 Medicare for All Act >>>> >>>> Education for All: H.R. 1880 College for All Act of 2017 >>>> >>>> Workers' Rights: H.R. 15 Raise the Wage Act >>>> >>>> Women's Rights: H.R. 771 Equal Access to Abortion Coverage in >>>> Health Insurance (EACH Woman) Act of 2017 >>>> >>>> Voting Rights: H.R. 2840 Automatic Voter Registration Act >>>> >>>> Environmental Justice: Climate Change Bill (yet to be introduced) >>>> >>>> Criminal Justice and Immigrant Rights: H.R. 3543 Justice Is Not >>>> for Sale Act of 2017 >>>> >>>> Tax on Wall Street: H.R. 1144 Inclusive Prosperity Act >>>> >>>> Progressive Democrats of America is partnering with other progressive >>>> organizations to make 2017 a Summer of Progress. 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URL: From deb.pdamerica at gmail.com Thu Jul 20 13:26:13 2017 From: deb.pdamerica at gmail.com (Debra Schrishuhn) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 08:26:13 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] please sign and spread the word In-Reply-To: References: <590CBC4F-8ABA-4B03-AE3C-A38DCAD02AD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E82B46F-BC4F-46B9-AE02-2F276973F4DE@gmail.com> This petition, as I wrote, tackles domestic issues, and has been dubbed the "People's Platform," referring to progressive domestic issues that were successfully incorporated into the 2016 Democratic Party platform. As you may recall, various members of the platform committee tried and failed to get stronger language in various areas of foreign policy. As a matter of record--and I know the names get confusing--it is separate from The People's Agenda (local progressive umbrella org), The People's Summit(recurring event in Chicago), and the People's Budget (actual budget proposal submitted to Congress by members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus). This particular initiative is aimed at making House members of the Democratic Party adhere to principles already put forth in the Party's own platform, and so of course it is aimed at modifying the current policy positions of the Democratic Party. Thanks for signing and sharing the petition--always appreciate your thoughtful critiques Deb Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > Deb > > As was pointed out in the recent panel discussion “Costs of War,” one cannot hope to achieve success on domestic issues if we separate or neglect to mention "foreign policy. " > > I support all of the issues below and will sign the petition, if I circulate it, there will be a caveat stating “ the intention of leaving off the most important goal of any progressive movement, that being to end US interventions and perpetual war, is evidence that “The Peoples Agenda” is clearly acting on behalf of the Democrat Party when they fail to recognize the most critical issue facing humanity, next to climate change, perpetual war. > > Nina Turner made that clear when asked by Paul Jay, why the People’s Agenda Summit ,never mentioned foreign policy, and she replied “maybe next year.” > > When one smells smoke and sees fire, we don’t say “maybe I’ll call the fire dept., tomorrow.” > > >> On Jul 20, 2017, at 05:20, Debra Schrishuhn wrote: >> >> Karen >> I understand your position, and truly we need action both in domestic and foreign policy. This petition addresses the domestic side, and none of these bills would increase prosperity of the 1% at the expense of the rest of us. One would hope that a healthier, better educated, fair-minded electorate would make wiser choices in elected officials than our current electeds. >> Deb >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >>> >>> Deb >>> >>> All due respect, as I know you mean well, as do many others…….. >>> >>> Any suggestion that peace begins at home is nonsense. We will only have peace when we stop our perpetual wars oversea’s. Destroying others homes, lives to steal their resources is most egregious. The focus on prosperity here, as long as we continue killing others, only brings continued prosperity to the 1%, and poverty to everyone else. >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 02:24, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace wrote: >>>> >>>> Please sign and spread the word. Peace and prosperity start at home. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Deb >>>> >>>> >>>> Please sign this petition for the People’s Platform, to be presented >>>> to the Democratic National Committee next week. Together we can change >>>> the direction of the Democratic Party and present a bold vision for >>>> the future. >>>> >>>> https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda >>>> >>>> The eight pieces of legislation that make up the core of the People's >>>> Platform each embody an important part of the Democratic Party's >>>> platform: >>>> >>>> Health Care for All: H.R. 676 Medicare for All Act >>>> >>>> Education for All: H.R. 1880 College for All Act of 2017 >>>> >>>> Workers' Rights: H.R. 15 Raise the Wage Act >>>> >>>> Women's Rights: H.R. 771 Equal Access to Abortion Coverage in >>>> Health Insurance (EACH Woman) Act of 2017 >>>> >>>> Voting Rights: H.R. 2840 Automatic Voter Registration Act >>>> >>>> Environmental Justice: Climate Change Bill (yet to be introduced) >>>> >>>> Criminal Justice and Immigrant Rights: H.R. 3543 Justice Is Not >>>> for Sale Act of 2017 >>>> >>>> Tax on Wall Street: H.R. 1144 Inclusive Prosperity Act >>>> >>>> Progressive Democrats of America is partnering with other progressive >>>> organizations to make 2017 a Summer of Progress. Be part of it. Sign >>>> the petition: >>>> >>>> https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace mailing list >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jul 20 14:06:49 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 14:06:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] please sign and spread the word In-Reply-To: References: <590CBC4F-8ABA-4B03-AE3C-A38DCAD02AD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: The Dems have been warmongers since at least the Tonkin Gulf Resolution in 1964. And I was at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago 1968—commuting between the Amphitheater and Downtown Chicago. They robbed the nomination from Gene McCarthy. Now they robbed it from Bernie. Plus ca change. A pox upon their house!! Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:23 AM To: Karen Aram Cc: peace ; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] please sign and spread the word Karen's answer is brilliant, especially as the national Democrats disingenuously continue to push ‘Russiagate’ - and ally with the neocons to kill more people in MENA! > > —CGE On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss > wrote: Deb As was pointed out in the recent panel discussion “Costs of War,” one cannot hope to achieve success on domestic issues if we separate or neglect to mention "foreign policy. " I support all of the issues below and will sign the petition, if I circulate it, there will be a caveat stating “ the intention of leaving off the most important goal of any progressive movement, that being to end US interventions and perpetual war, is evidence that “The Peoples Agenda” is clearly acting on behalf of the Democrat Party when they fail to recognize the most critical issue facing humanity, next to climate change, perpetual war. Nina Turner made that clear when asked by Paul Jay, why the People’s Agenda Summit ,never mentioned foreign policy, and she replied “maybe next year.” When one smells smoke and sees fire, we don’t say “maybe I’ll call the fire dept., tomorrow.” On Jul 20, 2017, at 05:20, Debra Schrishuhn > wrote: Karen I understand your position, and truly we need action both in domestic and foreign policy. This petition addresses the domestic side, and none of these bills would increase prosperity of the 1% at the expense of the rest of us. One would hope that a healthier, better educated, fair-minded electorate would make wiser choices in elected officials than our current electeds. Deb Sent from my iPhone On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram > wrote: Deb All due respect, as I know you mean well, as do many others…….. Any suggestion that peace begins at home is nonsense. We will only have peace when we stop our perpetual wars oversea’s. Destroying others homes, lives to steal their resources is most egregious. The focus on prosperity here, as long as we continue killing others, only brings continued prosperity to the 1%, and poverty to everyone else. On Jul 20, 2017, at 02:24, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace > wrote: Please sign and spread the word. Peace and prosperity start at home. Thanks, Deb Please sign this petition for the People’s Platform, to be presented to the Democratic National Committee next week. Together we can change the direction of the Democratic Party and present a bold vision for the future. https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda The eight pieces of legislation that make up the core of the People's Platform each embody an important part of the Democratic Party's platform: Health Care for All: H.R. 676 Medicare for All Act Education for All: H.R. 1880 College for All Act of 2017 Workers' Rights: H.R. 15 Raise the Wage Act Women's Rights: H.R. 771 Equal Access to Abortion Coverage in Health Insurance (EACH Woman) Act of 2017 Voting Rights: H.R. 2840 Automatic Voter Registration Act Environmental Justice: Climate Change Bill (yet to be introduced) Criminal Justice and Immigrant Rights: H.R. 3543 Justice Is Not for Sale Act of 2017 Tax on Wall Street: H.R. 1144 Inclusive Prosperity Act Progressive Democrats of America is partnering with other progressive organizations to make 2017 a Summer of Progress. Be part of it. Sign the petition: https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Thu Jul 20 14:24:41 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 14:24:41 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] The script of a very important issue related to freedom of speech and a bipartisan bill targeting supporters of BDS. Message-ID: [Boycott Israel, Go to Jail?]AARON MATE: It's The Real News. I'm Aaron Mate. Could boycotting Israel land you in prison? Well, in the US, that's now a possibility. A bipartisan bill targets supporters of the global boycott movement against Israel. The so-called Israel Anti-Boycott Act would make support of the boycott a felony. Violators would face a minimum penalty of $250,000, a maximum of $1 million, and up to 20 years in prison. The measure has the support of dozens of Democrats, even some known as being progressive. It was drafted with the help of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC. On Tuesday, the American Civil Liberties Union released a letter urging lawmakers to oppose it, saying the bill "would punish individuals for no reason other than their political beliefs." Josh Ruebner is policy director of the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights, and he's the author of the forthcoming book, Israel: Democracy or Apartheid State. Josh, welcome. JOSH RUEBNER: Thanks so much for having me. AARON MATE: Let's start with this bill. Now it was unveiled a few months ago, but the fact that the ACLU is weighing in now has gotten it a new round of attention. Talk about what the bill contains. JOSH RUEBNER: It's the most draconian of the dozens of anti-boycott, divestment, and sanctions bills that had been introduced both at the federal level and the state level. It's the most serious and has the most real ramifications, because as you mentioned at the outset, theoretically a corporate executive could wind up being jailed for 20 years for not wanting to do business with an Israeli settlement. The notion that you can put in prison somebody for making a moral decision to boycott in the United States of America is just fundamentally at odds and a contradiction to the founding values upon which this country was based. I mean, let's not forget that this country was founded in large part upon an act of civil disobedience, an act of boycott, of course, the Tea Party and dumping the British tea into the ocean to protest taxation without representation. Throughout the history of this country, boycotts have been used to advance all types of causes from abolishing slavery to gaining women's enfranchisement to promoting civil rights to promoting farm workers' rights, et cetera. Of course, boycott is not a tactic of the left or of the right. It's used by both to pursue their political goals, and it's a fundamental First Amendment guaranteed right that we enjoy. AARON MATE: What is the mechanism that the bill attempts to use for imposing this penalty? There's some amendments inside it to laws that are decades old? JOSH RUEBNER: Very cleverly written bill. As you mentioned at the outset, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee not only had a role in bringing this bill forward, but also made it a centerpiece of this lobbying effort earlier this spring when it sent thousands of its grassroots supporters to Capitol Hill. It's very clever, because nowhere in the actual text of the bill does it say, "You might go to jail for 20 years if you boycott Israel or an Israeli settlement product," but you have to look at underlying language which leads to more underlying language that brings up these criminal penalties. AARON MATE: Josh, you mentioned Israeli settlement products, which raises a very interesting feature of this bill. You know, there's been some debate inside left-wing movements about whether boycotting should extend to all of Israel or to just the occupied territories. Some people favor just boycotting the territories. What's interesting in this bill is that it also seeks to target people who want to focus the boycott just on the territories, which Israel, as we all know, is illegally occupying. It refers to that as Israeli-controlled territories. Can you talk about that? JOSH RUEBNER: That's correct, and that's another problematic part of this bill. Senator Cardin from Maryland, who's the lead sponsor of this bill, says that he's for a two-state resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian issue. He says that he opposes the expansion of Israeli settlements, but he's actually been quite a leader in Congress in trying to conflate Israel and say that it is the same thing as the, quote-unquote, "territories" that it controls. He passed language that went into a trade bill in the last Congress which makes it a priority in US trade negotiations to insist that foreign countries not engage in BDS campaigns against Israel or Israeli-controlled territories. What his bill does in essence, in addition to criminalizing BDS in this country, is trying to legitimize the existence of Israeli settlements. Both Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International have called upon foreign governments and multinational corporations not to do any business with Israeli settlements or their products. Amnesty International right now is actually running a campaign to ban the importation of Israeli settlement goods. What Senator Cardin's bill is trying to do is counteract this momentum that's building to try to force grassroots change through these BDS campaigns. AARON MATE: Josh, speaking of Senator Cardin, there was a piece today in The Intercept by Glenn Greenwald and Ryan Grim. They write that many of the bill's co-sponsors don't appear to have a firm grasp of what's actually inside of it. That actually might include the lead sponsor himself, Senator Ben Cardin of Maryland. The Intercept interviews Senator Cardin about his bill, and this is what he said. SEN. BEN CARDIN: I think I know the bill fairly well. I don't believe we have criminalized. I think our issue is US participation in international organizations speaking out against the UN actions. I think that's the bill. Now there are other bills that are out there, but I think the bill that Senator Portman and I had are aimed in that direction. [inaudible 00:06:34]. AARON MATE: That's Senator Ben Cardin. Josh, Cardin says there, "I don't think we have criminalized," inside his bill. JOSH RUEBNER: Well, either Senator Cardin is being incredibly disingenuous with The Intercept, or it tells you quite a bit how legislation is made on Capitol Hill where senators don't even understand bills that are introduced in their name. In either case, whether he's being disingenuous or whether he really doesn't know what's in the bill introduced in his name, the implications are clear. According to the ACLU, this absolutely does criminalize the act of boycotting Israel or its settlements, and could land someone in jail for up to 20 years for doing so. AARON MATE: The ACLU weighing in on this, that is a pretty rare action for them to come out so forcefully against an issue like this. There are many people in media and in civil society who just avoid the issue of Israel, because for some people, it's so politically explosive. Can you talk about their move here to come out against this bill? JOSH RUEBNER: It's actually not something new for the ACLU. In the last Congress, they also opposed anti-BDS legislation in Congress, and they've been fundamental in defeating some anti-BDS bills at the state level as well. They've been very firm in their conviction all along that attempts to legislate against boycott, divestment, and sanctions, and to try to deny state contracts to people in institutions that are engaging in BDS campaigns, is a direct violation of the First Amendment. AARON MATE: I mentioned The Intercept pointing out that some lawmakers appear to not know what's in the bill that they're sponsoring. Glenn Greenwald and Ryan Grim write that that might have something to do with the fact that you have this dynamic in Congress where many lawmakers just reflexively support whatever AIPAC puts in front of them. Can you talk about the role that AIPAC played in this and the influence they have more broadly over lawmakers on matters pertaining to Israel and Palestine? JOSH RUEBNER: Well, sure. They had their annual policy conference in March where this legislation was unveiled, and then they had thousands of their grassroots supporters go up to lobby their members of Congress. We know for a fact that AIPAC has not been pitching this to members of Congress as saying, "Hey, help us jail supporters of BDS for 20 years." They're going in there and obfuscating what the real ramifications of this legislation are. When we're raising this with members of Congress and their staff, they're quite concerned, because as I mentioned earlier, it's not at all clear from the plain text reading of the bill that these are the implications, but in fact, this is what the bill would accomplish by amending underlying law. AARON MATE: I just want to mention a few names. I mentioned that Democrats are behind this as well. It's mostly Republicans, but there's a lot of Democrats. They include Adam Schiff, who's been really vocal especially on the Trump-Russia issue, and also Ted Lieu, who stood up against the US-backed Saudi campaign in Yemen. He's been very vocal on that, but here he is lending his name to this measure against people who want to support a boycott of Israel. JOSH RUEBNER: Well, there's been a phenomenon for a long time in American politics of PEP, Progressive Except for Palestine, but we're seeing that, with the growth of support for Palestinian rights within the Democratic Party, it's becoming more and more difficult for members of Congress to credibly claim that they're representing the progressive wing of the party while supporting legislation that enables Israel's ongoing oppression and domination over the Palestinians. You see many, many more progressive members of Congress now stepping out on the right side of history, getting in step with the base of the Democratic Party, which now according to a Brookings Institution poll support sanctioning Israel at a 60% rate. AARON MATE: Josh, a big part of the effort to boycott Israel includes pressuring companies that do business with Israel. What implications would this measure have on that? JOSH RUEBNER: Well, this measure is quite broad, so even if a company requests information about a boycott or furnishes information about a boycott, they could be criminalized as well. To make this concrete and less abstract, let's say you have a department store that gets in touch with an Israeli corporation that is based in a settlement, wanting to verify whether they're based in an illegal settlement or if they're based in Israel. They could conceivably be criminalized and fined under this bill as well if it becomes law. AARON MATE: All right, Josh. Finally, we mentioned AIPAC and the influential role that they played in this. You've also talked about the activism though that is pushing back against efforts to silence people who support boycotts. As we wrap, can you talk about the momentum you're seeing against this bill, especially now in light of the ACLU coming out against it? JOSH RUEBNER: Well, I think what we're seeing is the fact that many members of Congress who signed on to this legislation really did not understand the draconian nature of it. It seems that many of them are backpedaling off of their support. Hopefully, by the ACLU raising the red flag about its constitutionality concerns about this bill, hopefully it won't receive a vote and certainly does not deserve to receive a vote. AARON MATE: Josh, go answer your phone and we'll leave it there. Josh Ruebner, policy director of the US Campaign for Palestinian Rights, author of the forthcoming book, Israel: Democracy or Apartheid State. Josh, thank you. JOSH RUEBNER: Thank you very much. AARON MATE: And thank you for joining us on The Real News. ________________________________ ________________________________ Comments -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 17:42:46 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] please sign and spread the word In-Reply-To: <590CBC4F-8ABA-4B03-AE3C-A38DCAD02AD8@gmail.com> References: <590CBC4F-8ABA-4B03-AE3C-A38DCAD02AD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: And would never have elected warmongers like Obama to the presidency or Clinton to the Senate? https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/obamas-awol-anti-war-protest/ —CGE > On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:20 AM, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Karen > I understand your position, and truly we need action both in domestic and foreign policy. This petition addresses the domestic side, and none of these bills would increase prosperity of the 1% at the expense of the rest of us. One would hope that a healthier, better educated, fair-minded electorate would make wiser choices in elected officials than our current electeds. > Deb > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:11 AM, Karen Aram wrote: >> >> Deb >> >> All due respect, as I know you mean well, as do many others…….. >> >> Any suggestion that peace begins at home is nonsense. We will only have peace when we stop our perpetual wars oversea’s. Destroying others homes, lives to steal their resources is most egregious. The focus on prosperity here, as long as we continue killing others, only brings continued prosperity to the 1%, and poverty to everyone else. >> >> >>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 02:24, Debra Schrishuhn via Peace wrote: >>> >>> Please sign and spread the word. Peace and prosperity start at home. >>> Thanks, >>> Deb >>> >>> >>> Please sign this petition for the People’s Platform, to be presented >>> to the Democratic National Committee next week. Together we can change >>> the direction of the Democratic Party and present a bold vision for >>> the future. >>> >>> https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda >>> >>> The eight pieces of legislation that make up the core of the People's >>> Platform each embody an important part of the Democratic Party's >>> platform: >>> >>> Health Care for All: H.R. 676 Medicare for All Act >>> >>> Education for All: H.R. 1880 College for All Act of 2017 >>> >>> Workers' Rights: H.R. 15 Raise the Wage Act >>> >>> Women's Rights: H.R. 771 Equal Access to Abortion Coverage in >>> Health Insurance (EACH Woman) Act of 2017 >>> >>> Voting Rights: H.R. 2840 Automatic Voter Registration Act >>> >>> Environmental Justice: Climate Change Bill (yet to be introduced) >>> >>> Criminal Justice and Immigrant Rights: H.R. 3543 Justice Is Not >>> for Sale Act of 2017 >>> >>> Tax on Wall Street: H.R. 1144 Inclusive Prosperity Act >>> >>> Progressive Democrats of America is partnering with other progressive >>> organizations to make 2017 a Summer of Progress. Be part of it. Sign >>> the petition: >>> >>> https://actionnetwork.org/petitions/s4p?source=pda >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace mailing list >>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >> > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jul 21 12:17:12 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:17:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, I am greatly flattered that the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists in the United States Congress would actually create a Crime just to go after me and my Brainchild. How about if we call it FAB'S LAW? Fab D in BDS since 2000 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:01 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jul 21 12:17:12 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:17:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, I am greatly flattered that the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists in the United States Congress would actually create a Crime just to go after me and my Brainchild. How about if we call it FAB'S LAW? Fab D in BDS since 2000 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:01 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Fri Jul 21 13:56:35 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 08:56:35 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: References: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> <81C15E28-57A5-4D1D-AD00-D03094A39693@illinois.edu> Message-ID: If Carl's going to primary Rodney, he's going to need some help. I propose that we start collecting pledges of assistance, to encourage Carl to run and to show him he won't be "walking alone." - Money: I pledge $100. What can you pledge? - Recruits: it would be very useful to have some politically plausible public helpers, a campaign manager, etc. Ideally these people would have some Republican credentials. Who are some Libertarian-flavored Republicans or Republican-flavored Libertarians around here whom we might recruit to this project? On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Robert Naiman wrote: > On the gender question, you'd be running in the Republican primary, and > Republicans care much less about that in general. Look at the Republican > Caucus in the House - it's overwhelmingly male. > > On the age question, I think people would excuse you if you didn't run all > over the district. You'd get a bunch of free media just by being a > candidate with which to challenge Rodney on war and peace issues, and civil > liberties issues; you wouldn't need to run back and forth to Taylorville. > Basically all you have to do is gather the petitions, which as we know is a > low bar for a major political party, and file the papers. Then you get free > media. > > > > > > > > Robert Naiman > Policy Director > Just Foreign Policy > www.justforeignpolicy.org > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org > (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> > > Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen > https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davids > on?r_by=1135580 > > > > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > >> I think I suffer in this regard from Statistician’s Disease - 'Broken >> Down by Sex and Age’: >> >> i.e., the candidate should be a woman, and I’m too old... >> >> —CGE >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Robert Naiman >> wrote: >> >> OK, Carl, what do you say? Why don't you primary Rodney? What's the >> downside? >> >> >> >> >> >> Robert Naiman >> Policy Director >> Just Foreign Policy >> www.justforeignpolicy.org >> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >> (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> >> >> Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen >> https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davids >> on?r_by=1135580 >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < >> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >>> What you say is quite true, Ron (although I detect a note of sarcasm…): >>> >>> "Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 as a peace >>> candidate. He signaled that he would fundamentally change America’s course >>> after the reckless carnage unleashed by the George W. Bush >>> administration. However, by the end of Obama’s presidency, the United >>> States was bombing seven different foreign nations…” >>> >> i-war-protest/> >>> >>> "Clinton lost because war-ravaged communities in PA, WI, and MI saw her >>> as pro-war, study says…” >>> >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss < >>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hey, good idea! We have frequently been told that there are multitudes >>> of peace-loving voters out there — especially Republicans — who were >>> deceived & betrayed by the vicious, disingenuous warmonger Obama, who >>> endlessly lied to them about his true intention of waging imperialistic >>> wars everywhere in obedience to his masters in the 1%. >>> >>> They are no doubt yearning for an authentic peace candidate who will >>> promise to quickly shut down all the foreign wars started or enlarged by >>> the neocons & neolibs. >>> >>> ~~ Ron >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jul 21 13:59:46 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:59:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have never dealt with Rodney Davis. But Wise {sic!} is a Cold, Cruel, Heartless, Pathetic Excuse for a Human Being. Let that be her "Legacy" here at the University of Illiniwaks. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 7:17 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Actually, I am greatly flattered that the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists in the United States Congress would actually create a Crime just to go after me and my Brainchild. How about if we call it FAB'S LAW? Fab D in BDS since 2000 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:01 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Fri Jul 21 13:59:46 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:59:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have never dealt with Rodney Davis. But Wise {sic!} is a Cold, Cruel, Heartless, Pathetic Excuse for a Human Being. Let that be her "Legacy" here at the University of Illiniwaks. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 7:17 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Actually, I am greatly flattered that the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists in the United States Congress would actually create a Crime just to go after me and my Brainchild. How about if we call it FAB'S LAW? Fab D in BDS since 2000 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:01 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Fri Jul 21 14:58:02 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:58:02 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: References: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> <81C15E28-57A5-4D1D-AD00-D03094A39693@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I have an idea for how we could do this. There's an organization called "Brand New Congress" that was started by former Bernie Sanders staffers. They're supporting Republicans as well as Democrats. https://brandnewcongress.org/ The idea is that they're recruiting candidates across the country to run on a common platform, and they're providing national resources, including staff, to help the candidates. Here is the platform: https://brandnewcongress.org/platform Note that the platform includes "Medicare for All," "End Mass Incarceration," and "Stop Fighting Reckless Wars." Here's an example of a Republican that they are supporting: https://brandnewcongress.org/robb-ryerse https://brandnewcongress.org/Candidates/Robb-Ryerse Here's the form for nominating candidates: https://brandnewcongress.org/Nominate So: right now, this idea costs nothing to pursue. It just requires filling out a form. So, I propose: anyone who likes this idea, help gather all the information we need to fill out the form and share it here. Then, let's fill out the nomination form. Costs us nothing. On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Robert Naiman wrote: > If Carl's going to primary Rodney, he's going to need some help. > > I propose that we start collecting pledges of assistance, to encourage > Carl to run and to show him he won't be "walking alone." > > - Money: I pledge $100. What can you pledge? > > - Recruits: it would be very useful to have some politically plausible > public helpers, a campaign manager, etc. Ideally these people would have > some Republican credentials. Who are some Libertarian-flavored Republicans > or Republican-flavored Libertarians around here whom we might recruit to > this project? > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Robert Naiman < > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote: > >> On the gender question, you'd be running in the Republican primary, and >> Republicans care much less about that in general. Look at the Republican >> Caucus in the House - it's overwhelmingly male. >> >> On the age question, I think people would excuse you if you didn't run >> all over the district. You'd get a bunch of free media just by being a >> candidate with which to challenge Rodney on war and peace issues, and civil >> liberties issues; you wouldn't need to run back and forth to Taylorville. >> Basically all you have to do is gather the petitions, which as we know is a >> low bar for a major political party, and file the papers. Then you get free >> media. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Robert Naiman >> Policy Director >> Just Foreign Policy >> www.justforeignpolicy.org >> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >> (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> >> >> Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen >> https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davids >> on?r_by=1135580 >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < >> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >> >>> I think I suffer in this regard from Statistician’s Disease - 'Broken >>> Down by Sex and Age’: >>> >>> i.e., the candidate should be a woman, and I’m too old... >>> >>> —CGE >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Robert Naiman >>> wrote: >>> >>> OK, Carl, what do you say? Why don't you primary Rodney? What's the >>> downside? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert Naiman >>> Policy Director >>> Just Foreign Policy >>> www.justforeignpolicy.org >>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >>> (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> >>> >>> Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in >>> Yemen >>> https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davids >>> on?r_by=1135580 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < >>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >>> >>>> What you say is quite true, Ron (although I detect a note of sarcasm…): >>>> >>>> "Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 as a peace >>>> candidate. He signaled that he would fundamentally change America’s course >>>> after the reckless carnage unleashed by the George W. Bush >>>> administration. However, by the end of Obama’s presidency, the United >>>> States was bombing seven different foreign nations…” >>>> >>> i-war-protest/> >>>> >>>> "Clinton lost because war-ravaged communities in PA, WI, and MI saw her >>>> as pro-war, study says…” >>>> >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss < >>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey, good idea! We have frequently been told that there are multitudes >>>> of peace-loving voters out there — especially Republicans — who were >>>> deceived & betrayed by the vicious, disingenuous warmonger Obama, who >>>> endlessly lied to them about his true intention of waging imperialistic >>>> wars everywhere in obedience to his masters in the 1%. >>>> >>>> They are no doubt yearning for an authentic peace candidate who will >>>> promise to quickly shut down all the foreign wars started or enlarged by >>>> the neocons & neolibs. >>>> >>>> ~~ Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jul 21 15:13:31 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 15:13:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: References: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> <81C15E28-57A5-4D1D-AD00-D03094A39693@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Bob I would never support a candidate like Rob Ryerse, for obvious reasons. The platform of: “Medicare for All,” “End Mass Incarceration,” and “Stop Fighting Reckless Wars.” as you suggest, is already the platform of the Green Party, so why start a new Party? Oh, yes thats right. To water down dissent and create the illusion that elections are the only way to achieve progress, putting everything on hold for four years. I have an idea for how we could do this. There's an organization called "Brand New Congress" that was started by former Bernie Sanders staffers. They're supporting Republicans as well as Democrats. https://brandnewcongress.org/ The idea is that they're recruiting candidates across the country to run on a common platform, and they're providing national resources, including staff, to help the candidates. Here is the platform: https://brandnewcongress.org/platform Note that the platform includes "Medicare for All," "End Mass Incarceration," and "Stop Fighting Reckless Wars." Here's an example of a Republican that they are supporting: https://brandnewcongress.org/robb-ryerse https://brandnewcongress.org/Candidates/Robb-Ryerse Here's the form for nominating candidates: https://brandnewcongress.org/Nominate So: right now, this idea costs nothing to pursue. It just requires filling out a form. So, I propose: anyone who likes this idea, help gather all the information we need to fill out the form and share it here. Then, let's fill out the nomination form. Costs us nothing. On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Robert Naiman > wrote: If Carl's going to primary Rodney, he's going to need some help. I propose that we start collecting pledges of assistance, to encourage Carl to run and to show him he won't be "walking alone." - Money: I pledge $100. What can you pledge? - Recruits: it would be very useful to have some politically plausible public helpers, a campaign manager, etc. Ideally these people would have some Republican credentials. Who are some Libertarian-flavored Republicans or Republican-flavored Libertarians around here whom we might recruit to this project? On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: On the gender question, you'd be running in the Republican primary, and Republicans care much less about that in general. Look at the Republican Caucus in the House - it's overwhelmingly male. On the age question, I think people would excuse you if you didn't run all over the district. You'd get a bunch of free media just by being a candidate with which to challenge Rodney on war and peace issues, and civil liberties issues; you wouldn't need to run back and forth to Taylorville. Basically all you have to do is gather the petitions, which as we know is a low bar for a major political party, and file the papers. Then you get free media. Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: I think I suffer in this regard from Statistician’s Disease - 'Broken Down by Sex and Age’: i.e., the candidate should be a woman, and I’m too old... —CGE On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Robert Naiman > wrote: OK, Carl, what do you say? Why don't you primary Rodney? What's the downside? Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: What you say is quite true, Ron (although I detect a note of sarcasm…): "Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 as a peace candidate. He signaled that he would fundamentally change America’s course after the reckless carnage unleashed by the George W. Bush administration. However, by the end of Obama’s presidency, the United States was bombing seven different foreign nations…” "Clinton lost because war-ravaged communities in PA, WI, and MI saw her as pro-war, study says…” —CGE On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss > wrote: Hey, good idea! We have frequently been told that there are multitudes of peace-loving voters out there — especially Republicans — who were deceived & betrayed by the vicious, disingenuous warmonger Obama, who endlessly lied to them about his true intention of waging imperialistic wars everywhere in obedience to his masters in the 1%. 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Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Bob > > I would never support a candidate like Rob Ryerse, for obvious reasons. > > The platform of: “Medicare for All,” “End Mass Incarceration,” and “Stop > Fighting Reckless Wars.” as you suggest, is already the platform of the > Green Party, so why start a new Party? > > Oh, yes thats right. To water down dissent and create the illusion that > elections are the only way to achieve progress, putting everything on hold > for four years. > > > > I have an idea for how we could do this. > > There's an organization called "Brand New Congress" that was started by > former Bernie Sanders staffers. They're supporting Republicans as well as > Democrats. > > https://brandnewcongress.org/ > > The idea is that they're recruiting candidates across the country to run > on a common platform, and they're providing national resources, including > staff, to help the candidates. > > Here is the platform: > > https://brandnewcongress.org/platform > > Note that the platform includes "Medicare for All," "End Mass > Incarceration," and "Stop Fighting Reckless Wars." > > Here's an example of a Republican that they are supporting: > > https://brandnewcongress.org/robb-ryerse > > https://brandnewcongress.org/Candidates/Robb-Ryerse > > Here's the form for nominating candidates: > > https://brandnewcongress.org/Nominate > > So: right now, this idea costs nothing to pursue. It just requires filling > out a form. > > So, I propose: anyone who likes this idea, help gather all the information > we need to fill out the form and share it here. Then, let's fill out the > nomination form. Costs us nothing. > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Robert Naiman < > naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote: > >> If Carl's going to primary Rodney, he's going to need some help. >> >> I propose that we start collecting pledges of assistance, to encourage >> Carl to run and to show him he won't be "walking alone." >> >> - Money: I pledge $100. What can you pledge? >> >> - Recruits: it would be very useful to have some politically plausible >> public helpers, a campaign manager, etc. Ideally these people would have >> some Republican credentials. Who are some Libertarian-flavored Republicans >> or Republican-flavored Libertarians around here whom we might recruit to >> this project? >> >> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Robert Naiman < >> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote: >> >>> On the gender question, you'd be running in the Republican primary, and >>> Republicans care much less about that in general. Look at the Republican >>> Caucus in the House - it's overwhelmingly male. >>> >>> On the age question, I think people would excuse you if you didn't run >>> all over the district. You'd get a bunch of free media just by being a >>> candidate with which to challenge Rodney on war and peace issues, and civil >>> liberties issues; you wouldn't need to run back and forth to Taylorville. >>> Basically all you have to do is gather the petitions, which as we know is a >>> low bar for a major political party, and file the papers. Then you get free >>> media. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert Naiman >>> Policy Director >>> Just Foreign Policy >>> www.justforeignpolicy.org >>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >>> (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> >>> >>> Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in >>> Yemen >>> https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davids >>> on?r_by=1135580 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < >>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I think I suffer in this regard from Statistician’s Disease - 'Broken >>>> Down by Sex and Age’: >>>> >>>> i.e., the candidate should be a woman, and I’m too old... >>>> >>>> —CGE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Robert Naiman < >>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> OK, Carl, what do you say? Why don't you primary Rodney? What's the >>>> downside? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Robert Naiman >>>> Policy Director >>>> Just Foreign Policy >>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org >>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org >>>> (202) 448-2898 x1 <(202)%20448-2898> >>>> >>>> Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in >>>> Yemen >>>> https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davids >>>> on?r_by=1135580 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < >>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What you say is quite true, Ron (although I detect a note of sarcasm…): >>>>> >>>>> "Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 as a peace >>>>> candidate. He signaled that he would fundamentally change America’s course >>>>> after the reckless carnage unleashed by the George W. Bush >>>>> administration. However, by the end of Obama’s presidency, the United >>>>> States was bombing seven different foreign nations…” >>>>> >>>> i-war-protest/> >>>>> >>>>> "Clinton lost because war-ravaged communities in PA, WI, and MI saw >>>>> her as pro-war, study says…” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> —CGE >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 19, 2017, at 4:39 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss < >>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey, good idea! We have frequently been told that there are >>>>> multitudes of peace-loving voters out there — especially Republicans — who >>>>> were deceived & betrayed by the vicious, disingenuous warmonger Obama, who >>>>> endlessly lied to them about his true intention of waging imperialistic >>>>> wars everywhere in obedience to his masters in the 1%. >>>>> >>>>> They are no doubt yearning for an authentic peace candidate who will >>>>> promise to quickly shut down all the foreign wars started or enlarged by >>>>> the neocons & neolibs. >>>>> >>>>> ~~ Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace-discuss mailing list >>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Fri Jul 21 16:14:40 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 16:14:40 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: References: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> <81C15E28-57A5-4D1D-AD00-D03094A39693@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I’ll pledge another $100 to this campaign. After all the posturing, bluffing & faking, this could be amusing, even revelatory. ~~ Ron Szoke From james.manrique at gmail.com Fri Jul 21 16:21:07 2017 From: james.manrique at gmail.com (James M) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:21:07 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: References: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> <81C15E28-57A5-4D1D-AD00-D03094A39693@illinois.edu> Message-ID: I'd pledge $100, and would collect signatures. On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > I’ll pledge another $100 to this campaign. > After all the posturing, bluffing & faking, this could be amusing, even > revelatory. > > ~~ Ron Szoke > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Fri Jul 21 20:22:18 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 15:22:18 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Let's draft Carl to primary Rodney In-Reply-To: References: <8B06996C-060E-4C01-BE7D-3A6A204CFD6F@illinois.edu> <85DB1FB5-E8BE-488B-A014-424F83576876@illinois.edu> <81C15E28-57A5-4D1D-AD00-D03094A39693@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <6F6E0321-AEE7-4671-80A2-ADCBDD013D13@illinois.edu> Care to specify? Posturing = ? Bluffing = ? Faking =? —CGE > On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:14 AM, Szoke, Ron wrote: > > I’ll pledge another $100 to this campaign. > After all the posturing, bluffing & faking, this could be amusing, even revelatory. > > ~~ Ron Szoke > From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 21 22:40:21 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 22:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] No AWARE at Market tomorrow References: <167761996.2912214.1500676821374.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <167761996.2912214.1500676821374@mail.yahoo.com> Given the weather, including heat, humidity, and a chance to T-storms; and the prospects for better weather next Saturday, let's take tomorrow off and hope that we can get a table next week to make up for it. David Green -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 22 12:23:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:23:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to Wise {sic!} Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab. The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illinois The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illinois: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! "Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all!" The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational Anthro 101 The Cult of Chief Illiniwak A required course To get our degrees >From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:00 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I have never dealt with Rodney Davis. But Wise {sic!} is a Cold, Cruel, Heartless, Pathetic Excuse for a Human Being. Let that be her "Legacy" here at the University of Illiniwaks. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 7:17 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Actually, I am greatly flattered that the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists in the United States Congress would actually create a Crime just to go after me and my Brainchild. How about if we call it FAB'S LAW? Fab D in BDS since 2000 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:01 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 22 12:23:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:23:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to Wise {sic!} Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Fab. The Principles on Which We Stand at the University of Illinois The Principles on Which We Stand At the University of Illinois: The Cult of Chief Illiniwak Long Live Chief Illiniwak! Our Official Honored and Revered Symbol For the University of Illiniwaks And Illiniwaks all over the world! Illiniwak Pride! Illiniwak Fever! The Daily Illiniwak Illiniwaks Yearbooks Illiniwaks Homecoming Our Redskin Tradition Eagle Feathers too Illiniwak Stadium Our Illiniwakettes Our Fighting Illiniwaks Illiniwak Cheerleaders Our Marching Illiniwaks Band Our Famous 3 in 1 Illiniwak Spectacle Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Oskee! Bow! Wow! "Just Honoring American Indians Not demeaning anyone Nor meaning them too All very civil How White of us all!" The University of Illiniwaks Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Dumb! Racists to boot Genocidaires too So very educational Anthro 101 The Cult of Chief Illiniwak A required course To get our degrees >From the University of Illiniwaks Oskee! Bow! Wow! Forever! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:00 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I have never dealt with Rodney Davis. But Wise {sic!} is a Cold, Cruel, Heartless, Pathetic Excuse for a Human Being. Let that be her "Legacy" here at the University of Illiniwaks. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 7:17 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Actually, I am greatly flattered that the anti-Palestinian Bigots and Racists in the United States Congress would actually create a Crime just to go after me and my Brainchild. How about if we call it FAB'S LAW? Fab D in BDS since 2000 Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 4:01 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Alan Dershowitz Retires From Harvard Law School By Francis Boyle 21 December, 2013 Countercurrents.org Alan Dershowitz, a prominent advocate for Israel, is retiring from Harvard Law School. Dershowitz Accused of War Crimes - On one issue-the Jewish settlements in the occupied lands-Israel has {already} been found, by an international court, to be in violation of international law. This has caused a firestorm of reaction from Israel, and its apologists, like Harvard's Alan Dershowitz. But, Francis Boyle and a number of other American human rights advocates have taken on Dershowitz on, and are ready to do it again. The settlements are "clearly illegal and criminal," said Boyle. "All the settlements, as the World Court ruled in the advisory opinion on the [Separation] Wall, all these settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention, and a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention is a war crime. All these so-called settlers are committing war crimes, except the children, who are obviously not old enough to formulate a criminal intent. "Indeed, Alan Dershowitz began attacking the World Court for this ruling and attacking their credibility, and this, that, and the other. "Well, Dershowitz is not a trained international lawyer; he's not a trained human rights lawyer. I debated him once, and he sort of gratuitously conceded that I was the expert on these subjects. "But in any event, what Dershowitz was not aware of, was that in the advisory committee proceedings, the American judge, Thomas Buergenthal, {who is a Holocaust survivor, himself}, joined the ruling-he dissented against a lot of other things by the World Court [International Court of Justice]-but Judge Buergenthal ruled that the settlements violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. And to Judge Buergenthal's credit-I've known him for many years; I have a lot of respect and admiration for him-he made this ruling. "So, in other words, Dershowitz was attacking the integrity of a Holocaust survivor. But of course, that doesn't surprise me: He attacked [Prof.] Norman Finkelstein's mother; he also attacked Prof. Israel Shahak, one of the leaders of the peace movement in Israel, himself a Holocaust survivor, unfortunately, no longer with us, but a great man. "I've dealt with [Shahak], I have great respect, and indeed, he was going to have a lecture tour here in the United States, in, I guess, the Fall of 1990, and he was coming to speak in Champaign, [Ill.], and the organizers of his lecture tour asked me if I would put him up in my home as my guest, in order to conserve on expenses, and I agreed. And I was greatly looking forward again to meeting Professor Shahak.... But as you know, with the Gulf crisis, Professor Shahak decided to cancel his lecture tour and stay home with his own people, which was certainly understandable. "Dershowitz couldn't care less. Whatever kind of outright character assassination he has to apply to anyone, even Holocaust survivors like Judge Buergenthal, Professor Shahak, Norman Finkelstein's mother, it doesn't bother Dershowitz. Indeed, my understanding is, he's trying to run to become President of Israel, to take Peres's place. Well, fine, it would be great to get him out of Harvard Law School-my dis-alma mater!-and ship him over to Israel with all the other war criminals over there. "In fact, I say that, because Dershowitz admitted, publicly, that he is part of a Mossad committee that authorized the assassination of Palestinians. "You can find that article on counterpunch.org, by Prof. [Liquat Ali] Khan. Well, the Palestinians are all protected persons under the Fourth Geneva Convention, and for Dershowitz to authorize their murder is a war crime. So, Dershowitz is a {prima facie} war criminal, who should be prosecuted himself. "And there he is, teaching at the Harvard Law School, and advocating torture, crimes against humanity, war crimes against the Palestinians. As you know, he said, `Well, we should just be obliterating their villages. You know, if they do this, there's a terror bombing here, we [should] destroy one of their villages.' "And, of course, Dershowitz also advocates torture here, in America. The guy's shameless. "I remember, [when] I started [at Harvard], Dershowitz started as an assistant professor, and his first big case was defending a pornographic film star in `Deep Throat.' Dershowitz likes to present himself as some great defender of the First Amendment.... Well, as Catherine McKinnon has, I think, taught us all, pornography is a form of violence against women: It's a human rights matter. So, it doesn't surprise me that Dershowitz started his career defending pornographers and pornography, and was and still is greatly proud of it-and now he moves on to defending war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, and in addition, over the years, became a war criminal himself. "But the sum of it is, he's still teaching there at Harvard Law School. So, I hope he goes back to Israel and becomes President, sure! Be great to see him go: Bon voyage." Professor Francis A. Boyle is an international law expert and served as Legal Advisor to the Palestine Liberation Organization and Yasser Arafat on the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence, as well as to the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East Peace Negotiations from 1991 to 1993, where he drafted the Palestinian counter-offer to the now defunct Oslo Agreement. His books include " Palestine, Palestinians and International Law" (2003), and " The Palestinian Right of Return under International Law" (2010). Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government Looking back on it, at least Summers was smart enough not to debate me. Dirty Dersh was not. I clobbered him. And Dirty Dersh is supposed to be the best the Zionists have to offer. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 3:24 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government And by the way, if I remember correctly Wise {sic!} signed the same letter Faust did. Ditto and a fortiori for Wise {sic!}. Faust is not a bigot and racist against American Indians like Wise {sic!}. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 2:54 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government I'm all for BDS. Fab D in BDS. -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:fboyle at illinois.edu] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:04 AM To: Killeacle > Subject: The Common Ills: Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice http://thecommonills.blogspot.com/2013/12/prof-boyle-schools-harvard-president.html Sunday, December 29, 2013 Prof Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Francis A. Boyle is an attorney and a professor of international law. He's also the author of many books including, most recently, United Ireland, Human Rights and International Law. Professor Boyle Schools Harvard President Faust About Prejudice Dec. 27, 2013 Dear President Faust: I notice your condemnation of the ASA Boycott against Israel in today's New York Times. I note for the record that Harvard has never once apologized to those of us Harvard Alums who participated in good faith in the Harvard Divestment/Disinvestment Campaign against Israel when your predecessor Larry Summers accused us of being anti-Semitic-- a charge which he refused to defend against me as related below. As a matter of fact, Harvard is so notoriously anti-Palestinian that the late, great Edward Said refused to accept Harvard's top chair in Comparative Literature when Harvard offered it to him. As a loyal Harvard alum I spent an entire evening with Edward at a Chinese Restaurant in Manhattan trying to convince Edward to take this Chair. I thought it would be good for Harvard to have Edward teaching there. As a lawyer and a law professor, I can be quite persuasive. But Edward would have none of my arguments. As Edward saw it, Harvard was so anti-Palestinian that Harvard would have thwarted his intellectual creativity to move there. So Edward stayed at Columbia. Of course Edward was right. And the anti-Palestinian tenor and orientation of Harvard has certainly gotten far worse since when Edward and I were both students at Harvard. Harvard should be doing something about its own longstanding bigotry and racism against the Palestinians. Not criticizing those of us trying to help the Palestinians suffering from Israeli persecution, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and outright genocide. Yours very truly, Francis A. Boyle Professor of Law Harvard: JDMCL, AM, PHD, CFIA, Teaching Fellow Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA ************************************ sent by Francis Boyle - Jul 30, 2007 The Cowardice of Harvard's Larry Summers I'm not going to go through the subsequent history of the divestment/disinvestment movement, except to say that in the late summer of 2002 the President of Harvard, Larry Summers accused those of us Harvard alumni involved in the Harvard divestment campaign of being anti-Semitic. After he made these charges, WBUR Radio Station in Boston, which is a National Public Radio affiliate, called me up and said: "We would like you to debate Summers for one hour on these charges, live." And I said, "I'd be happy to do so." They then called up Summers and he refused to debate me. Summers did not have the courage, the integrity, or the principles to back up his scurrilous charges. Eventually Harvard fired Summers because of his attempt to impose his Neo-Conservative agenda on Harvard, and in particular his other scurrilous charge that women are dumber than men when it comes to math and science. Well as a Harvard alumnus I say: Good riddance to Larry Summers! (laughter). Debating Dershowitz WBUR then called me back and said, "Well, since Summers won't debate you, would you debate Alan Dershowitz?" And I said, "Sure." So we had a debate for one hour, live on the radio. And there is a link that you can hear this debate if you want to. I still think it's the best debate out there on this whole issue of Israeli apartheid. Again that would be WBUR Radio Station, Boston, 25 September 2002. The problem with the debate, of course, is that Dershowitz knows nothing about international law and human rights. So he immediately started out by saying "well, there's nothing similar to the apartheid regime in South Africa and what Israel is doing to the Palestinians." Well the problem with that is that Dershowitz did not know anything at all about even the existence of the Apartheid Convention. That is our second Handout for tonight. [See Handout 2 reprinted below.] The definition of apartheid is set out in the Apartheid Convention of 1973. And this is taken from my book Defending Civil Resistance Under International Law, Trial Materials on South Africa, published in 1987, that we used successfully to defend anti-apartheid resistors in the United States. If you take a look at the definition of apartheid here found in Article 2, you will see that Israel has inflicted each and every act of apartheid set out in Article 2 on the Palestinians, except an outright ban on marriages between Israelis and Palestinians. But even there they have barred Palestinians living in occupied Palestine who marry Israeli citizens from moving into Israel, and thus defeat the right of family reunification that of course the world supported when Jews were emigrating from the Soviet Union. Israel: An Apartheid State Again you don't have to take my word for it. There's an excellent essay today on Counterpunch.org by the leading Israeli human rights advocate Shulamit Aloni saying basically: "Yes we have an apartheid state in Israel." Indeed, there are roads in the West Bank for Jews only. Palestinians can't ride there and now they're introducing new legislation that Jews cannot even ride Palestinians in their cars. This lead my colleague and friend Professor John Dugard who is the U.N. Special rapporteur for human rights in Palestine to write an essay earlier this fall that you can get on Google, saying that in fact Israeli apartheid against the Palestinians is worse than the apartheid that the Afrikaners inflicted on the Blacks in South Africa. Professor Duguard should know. He was one of a handful of courageous, white, international lawyers living in South Africa at the time who publicly and internationally condemned apartheid against Blacks at risk to his own life. Indeed, when I was litigating anti-apartheid cases on South Africa, we used Professor Duguard's book on Human Rights and the South African Legal Order as the definitive work explaining what apartheid is all about. So Professor Duguard has recently made this statement. Of course President Carter has recently made this statement in his book that Israel is an apartheid state. And certainly if you look at that definition of the Apartheid Convention, right there in front of you, it's clear - there are objective criteria. Indeed if you read my Palestinian book I have a Bibliography at the end with the facts right there based on reputable human rights reports, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. Many of them were also compiled and discussed by my friend Professor Norman Finklestein in his book Beyond Chutzpah, which I'd encourage you to read. Francis A. Boyle ********************************** On Point Radio - Sep 25, 2007 broadcast Across the country, the push for divestment has spread to more than 40 campuses. The movement condemns Israel for human rights abuses against the Palestinians. Hundreds of big-name academics have signed on, but so far no university has moved to divest. The current debate isn't the first time divestment has been used on college campuses as a means to effect social and political change. In the 1980s, the South African divestment campaign helped end apartheid. Do you see parallels with the apartheid debate? Has Israel become a trendy target? Guests: Francis Boyle, professor of international law at The University of Illinois College of Law Alan Dershowitz, professor at Harvard Law School Taufiq Rahim, student at Princeton University francis a. boyle Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Robert Naiman via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:30 PM To: peace > Subject: [Peace] ACLU vs. Rodney Davis on criminalizing speech against the Israeli government The ACLU has come out foursquare against the bipartisan, bicameral, AIPAC-supported "anti-Israel boycott bill," that would impose criminal penalties for advocating for a "boycott of Israel," on Constitutional, free speech grounds. Consistent with past AIPAC-supported Congressional efforts along this line, "boycott Israel" is defined to mean, "including settlements in the West Bank," i.e. this bill is expressly aimed at European policies that distinguish between "Israel" and "the settlements." Here's a write-up in the Intercept. They interview bill sponsors and ask them, did you know the ACLU is against this bill? And the sponsors are like, really? I had no idea there were free speech issues with this bill. I just signed up to "support Israel." I mean, don't expect me to actually know what's in the bills I co-sponsor if that's what AIPAC told me to do. https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/ Rodney Davis is a co-sponsor of the House bill. If you don't agree with that, why not give Rodney Davis a piece of your mind? Please note the opposition of the ACLU to the bill in your phone call. 202-225-2371 === Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jul 22 12:11:56 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:11:56 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Korea today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think this one when it comes to Korea is better: NO TO U.S. MISSILE DEFENSE IN KOREA TASK FORCE TO STOP THAAD IN KOREA AND MILITARISM IN ASIA AND THE PACIFIC * HOME * ABOUT * LIST OF ENDORSERS * ARTICLES * RESOURCES AND LINKS * GALLERY * CONTACT US * ACTION Solidarity Peace Delegation to South Korea No to THAAD in Korea, Yes to Peace through Dialogue ______________________________________________________ Solidarity Peace Delegation of the Task Force to Stop THAAD in Korea and Militarism in Asia and the Pacific and the Channing and Popai Liem Education Foundation, July 2017 Under cover of darkness a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) missile defense system was installed in Seongju City, ROK in April 26 this year, in spite of daily and growing opposition from local villagers and their nation-wide supporters and without official deliberation by South Korea’s governing bodies. Protesters correctly fear that its deployment will strain their country’s already delicate relationship with China, embolden militaristic and anti-democratic political forces in their own country, and exacerbate tensions between North and South Korea. They also worry about potential negative health and environmental effects associated with the operation of the THAAD radar system, and defilement of sacred lands like the nearby pilgrimage site of the Won Buddhist community. U.S. and some ROK officials claim the THAAD system will protect South Korea from the threat of North Korean missiles. However, because it is stationed 135 miles south of Seoul, virtually all observers agree that the 25 million Koreans living in the capital city area fall outside THAAD’s protective shield. Even more damning, missile defense expert, MIT physicist Ted Postol, adds there is no demonstrable evidence that THAAD is effective under live fire conditions with multiple incoming missiles and decoys. On the other hand, THAAD radar in South Korea has the capacity to monitor missile systems in China, which many suspect is a chief U.S. objective in insisting on stationing it in Korea. China has voiced its opposition to THAAD in Korea in no uncertain terms, enacted economic retributions against South Korea, and threatened an accelerated arms race. The U.S. THAAD deployment in South Korea is part of the U.S. “pivot” to the Asia Pacific. It expands the already significant network of U.S. missile defense systems encircling China and Russia. This effort to boost declining U.S. political and economic influence in the region comes at a high cost, however, to the American people. It diverts billions of dollars away from critical domestic needs at a time of decaying infrastructure, unprecedented economic inequality, and limited access to basic human services. It also compromises the principles as well as safety of peace-loving Americans by intensifying regional military tensions, fuelling a new arms race, and threatening a renewed outbreak of fighting on the Korean peninsula, this time involving nuclear weapons with unimaginable consequences for human life. The U.S. deployment of THAAD also complicates North/South Korean relations at a time when North Korea has offered to freeze its nuclear weapons program in exchange for an end to or significant reduction in annual U.S.-South Korea war games. This proposal was routinely rejected by the Obama administration. But today a growing number of respected U.S. officials and policy analysts such as Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, Jane Harman, former congresswoman and head of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars, and William Perry, Secretary of Defense during the first Clinton administration, have expressed support for considering a freeze and halting war games as a first step toward addressing North Korea’s security concerns as well as those of the U.S, its allies, and China and Russia in light of North Korea’s progress in producing nuclear capable ICBMs. Most Americans know nothing about THAAD, the opposition of South Koreans to its deployment, or recent diplomatic overtures by North Korea to reduce tensions on the peninsula. Even fewer remember the Korean War, are aware that the U.S. retains war time control over South Korea’s armed forces, or understand the desire of the Korean people to achieve the peaceful reunification of their country. Yet, these unknowns should be of vital concern to people in the United States. Should the fragile armistice agreement that halted the fighting but did not end the Korean War give way to renewed fighting, we, along with Koreans in the North and South and countless others in the region will suffer untold losses. In the words of U.S. Secretary of Defense, James Mattis, “…if this goes to a military solution, it is going to be tragic on an unbelievable scale…” At this critical moment, the U.S. and South Korean governments can continue to fuel the fires of war in Korea by further militarizing South Korea or take steps to create international conditions for a lasting peace in Korea. Whichever path the U.S. adopts will be done in the name of the American people. It is, therefore, incumbent upon citizens of the U.S. to engage and work with the people of Korea to arrive at mutually agreeable, peaceful means to resolve hostilities in the region. Beginning this collective work is a primary goal of our delegation. The Solidarity Peace Delegation travels to South Korea to express the solidarity of peace-loving Americans to those in Korea fighting the THAAD deployment and seeking a fundamental resolution to conflict on the peninsula and in the region. We aim to strengthen mutual understanding about how to achieve these objectives with the goal of aligning U.S. policy with the desire of the Korean people to achieve a lasting peace on the peninsula and, ultimately, the peaceful and independent reunification of Korea. Recognizing the immense social and economic costs of increased militarization of Korea for both the American and Korean people, the Solidarity Peace Delegation calls upon the governments of the United States and the Republic of Korea to: 1. Remove THAAD from South Korea. 2. Halt the arms race on the Korea peninsula by ending the U.S.-South Korea war games in favor of an agreement by North Korea to freeze its production of nuclear weapons and missile testing. 3. Engage in diplomacy with North Korea to end the Korean War with a peace treaty, normalize relations with North Korea and support all efforts by the Korea people to achieve the peaceful reunification of their country. Finally, we state our intention to build solidarity in the U.S. for the struggle against the stationing of THAAD in South Korea and the expansion of U.S. militarism in Asia. We also call on peace-loving people in the United States and globally to join us in this effort. SPONSORS Task Force to Stop THAAD in Korea and Militarism in Asia and the Pacific Channing and Popai Liem Education Foundation DELEGATES Medea Benjamin, CODEPINK Reece Chenault, U.S. Labor Against the War Will Griffin, Veterans for Peace, Task Force to Stop THAAD in Korea and Militarism in Asia and the Pacific Juyeon Rhee, Task Force to Stop THAAD in Korea and Militarism in Asia and the Pacific Jill Stein, 2016 presidential candidate, Green Party U.S.A. On Jul 22, 2017, at 04:15, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: The blog Ron recommends seems quite good, not just on Korea but on other matters - mainly economic - as well. Here it is online: . —CGE On Jul 22, 2017, at 12:01 AM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss > wrote: The best thing I’ve seen recently on the Korean situation ~~ Ron _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sat Jul 22 14:27:14 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 14:27:14 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] If one reads nothing else this week, this month, one must read this: It covers Syria, Iran and allies....... Message-ID: [http://www.wsws.org/img/title.png] [http://www.wsws.org/img/logo.png] Published by the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI) Click here for advanced search » * Home * Perspectives * World News * World Economy * Arts Review * History * Science * Philosophy * Workers Struggles * ICFI/Marxist Library * Chronology * Full Archive * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Trump pulls plug on CIA’s Syrian “revolution” 22 July 2017 The news first reported by the Washington Post on July 19—that the Trump administration is winding up a five-year-old, formally covert CIA operation to train, arm and even pay the salaries of Islamist militias in Syria—has further fueled the ferocious political war in Washington over allegations of “collusion” between Trump and Moscow. Senator John McCain, the Republican chair of the Armed Services Committee, issued a statement from Arizona, where he is recovering from surgery related to brain cancer, that “any concession to Russia, absent a broader strategy for Syria, is irresponsible and short-sighted.” A more hysterical denunciation came from Washington Postcolumnist and former chief speechwriter for George W. Bush, Michael Gerson, who accused Trump of carrying out a “complete surrender to Russian interests in Syria” and acting “precisely as though he has been bought and sold by a strategic rival” with his “ignoble cutoff of aid to American proxies.” The claims that cutting off the spigot of arms and money to the so-called “rebels” in Syria represents some kind of a strategic capitulation to Russia are ludicrous. The decision, reportedly taken by Trump together with his national security advisor Gen. H.R. McMaster and CIA Director Mike Pompeo in advance of the G20 summit in Hamburg, was a foregone conclusion. What used to be referred to as the “Free Syrian Army” has ceased to play any major role in Syria. Syrian government forces, backed by Iranian-aligned militias and, since September 2015, Russian air support, have driven the “rebels” out of every major urban center and into the rural areas of Idlib province, where they have been engaged in bitter internecine combat against each other. The government’s retaking of eastern Aleppo in December 2016 spelled the final debacle for the US strategy of carrying out a war for regime change using CIA-backed Sunni Islamist militias as Washington’s proxies. This criminal strategy was initiated in the wake of the 2011 US war for regime change that toppled the government of Libya and ended in the lynch-mob murder of its leader, Muammar Gaddafi. Islamist fighters and huge quantities of weapons were funneled from the eastern Libyan port city of Benghazi into Syria. By 2013, this had turned into what one US official described to the New York Times as a “cataract of weaponry,” poured into Syria by the CIA, working with Saudi Arabia and the other right-wing Gulf oil monarchies and Turkey. Tens of thousands of Islamist foreign fighters were also funneled in to wage a bloody sectarian civil war whose victims now number in the hundreds of thousands of dead and millions of displaced refugees. Some of these same elements, whose crossing of international borders was facilitated by Western intelligence agencies, returned to carry out terrorist attacks in Europe. The CIA claimed to have “vetted” some 40 “moderate rebel” militias deserving of US arms and money. In reality, most of these groups were largely indistinguishable from elements like the Al-Nusra Front, and either ended up in alliance with this Syrian Al Qaeda affiliate or surrendered their American weapons to it. The defeat of the CIA-backed “rebels” was a function not merely of the increased firepower supplied by Russia and Iran, but of the hostility toward these militias on the part of broad layers of the Syrian population, which viewed the Assad regime, despite its repression and corruption, as the lesser evil. Contrary to the propaganda put out by the US State Department and its pseudo-left apologists, the rebels were not the champions of some struggle for democracy or “revolution,” but rather right-wing, sectarian gangsters, who systematically looted the areas under their control and beheaded those who expressed any opposition to their obscurantist ideology. The ending of the CIA’s arming and funding of the largely spent Al Qaeda-linked “rebels” signals not an end to the conflict in Syria or any significant rapprochement with Moscow, but is rather part of the preparations for a wider war. The Pentagon is continuing to train and arm its own proxy forces, both the so-called Syrian Democratic Forces—comprised primarily of the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia—in the north, and Sunni militias in the southeast, near the US special forces base established at al-Tanf near a strategic Syrian border crossing with Iraq and Jordan. This is only one of a string of bases set up by the US military in what amounts to a stealth invasion and occupation of Syria. The Turkish state-run news agency, reflecting the hostility of the regime in Ankara to the US alliance with the Syrian Kurds, published an article pinpointing the location of 10 secret US bases in the north of Syria along with detailed information about the number of troops and type of weaponry and equipment deployed at each of them. Earlier this month, the Trump administration asked Congress to vote its approval for the building of new “temporary” bases in both Iraq and Syria. Meanwhile, the Pentagon continues to carry out deadly airstrikes against Syrian targets, with the independent monitoring group Airwars reporting at least 415 civilians killed by US bombs and missiles last month alone. This estimate undoubtedly leaves many of the dead uncounted, and the numbers will rise dramatically as the US escalates its siege of Raqqa. While the Reuters news agency quoted one US official as saying that the scrapping of the CIA program was a “signal” to Russia that Washington wants to improve ties, the real aim is to drive a wedge between Moscow and Iran in order to better prepare for war against the latter. This is the central purpose of the US military buildup in Syria and Iraq, where Iranian influence has steadily grown. Those setting policy in the Trump administration, largely the cabal of retired and active duty generals who hold all the key security posts, see Iran as the principal obstacle to the bloody and protracted US campaign to establish its hegemony over the Middle East and Central Asia. The American military brass is particularly bitter over the fact that Washington’s war of aggression in Iraq served largely to strengthen Iranian influence in the region. Two days before the report in the Washington Post on the ending of aid to the “rebels,” the Trump administration provided formal certification that Iran is in compliance with the nuclear agreement it negotiated with the US and five other powers. The move came only after hours of wrangling in the White House, with Trump agreeing reluctantly to certify only on the basis of a decision to impose a new set of unilateral US sanctions against Tehran that are themselves in violation of the accord and designed to provoke a confrontation. Washington is also reportedly mounting a campaign to pressure the European powers to toe the US line by adopting a punitive policy toward Tehran. But the other signatories to the agreement—Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia—are all looking to conclude major trade and investment deals in Iran, with the French energy conglomerate Total leading the way with a $1 billion agreement to develop gas production. Such tensions with Europe will only fuel Washington’s drive toward a wider war. Faced with the decline of its economic and political global dominance, the parasitic and criminal American ruling class, personified in the figure of Trump, increasingly sees war as the only way out of economic and social crises for which it can offer no progressive solution. A US war against Iran, a nation of over 77 million people, would eclipse even the bloodbaths carried out by the Pentagon and the CIA in Iraq and Syria, while posing the real threat of a nuclear third world war. Bill Van Auken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jul 22 17:00:35 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:00:35 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] events? In-Reply-To: <5B3B2E033E8AA24EA3A5F1C497F1809E4543F499@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <1625771000.2643136.1500737737844.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625771000.2643136.1500737737844@mail.yahoo.com> <5B3B2E033E8AA24EA3A5F1C497F1809E4543F499@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <982BA436-672F-4839-BF47-7558D2288B6B@illinois.edu> Can you give us an example of conspiracy theory on peace-discuss, Bob? As to that leg-biting razor, I presume you refer to the 'law of parsimony,' the principle attributed to William of Ockham (d. 1347), “entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem,” which Wikipedia interprets "as stating that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.” And I assume the assumption you object to is that the Obama-Clinton administration (like their predecessors) were war-mongers, killing people in the Mideast and provoking Russia and China from Ukraine to the South China Sea, in order to retard Eurasian economic integration, seen as a threat to the economic dominance of the US 1%, established by WWII and declining relatively today? It’s to promote discussion of that important assumption and related matters - which the last administration did so much to hide - that AWARE (and its mailing lists) were established. Regards, CGE > > On Jul 22, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Illyes, Robert Frank via Peace wrote: > > I'm with Matt on this. I stopped delivery of peace-discuss because it is dominated by conspiracy theorists, who wouldn't recognize Occam's Razor if it bit them in the leg. Or to put it more simply, are gaming the rest of us who would actually like to make the world better and ask nothing for our service- not importance, not recognition, but just peace itself. Sorry for my editorializing, I'll do no more. But I must say that it is a pleasure to hear from Matt. I hope that one of the announcements that I will be seeing will be an invitation to a reading of his poetry. > > Bob > ________________________________________ > From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] on behalf of Matt Murrey via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:35 AM > To: peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: [Peace] events? > > It would be helpful for people to stop posting discussion pieces, opinions, articles, etc on this list. This list is for peace-related EVENTS and calls to action happening in the CU community. If you think an event is not politically-ideologically contributing to peace and social justice, send a note to the manager of this list or move your concerns to the PEACE DISCUSS list. > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sat Jul 22 17:05:38 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:05:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] events? In-Reply-To: <982BA436-672F-4839-BF47-7558D2288B6B@illinois.edu> References: <1625771000.2643136.1500737737844.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625771000.2643136.1500737737844@mail.yahoo.com> <5B3B2E033E8AA24EA3A5F1C497F1809E4543F499@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> <982BA436-672F-4839-BF47-7558D2288B6B@illinois.edu> Message-ID: “And I assume the assumption you object to is that the Obama-Clinton administration (like their predecessors) were war-mongers, killing people in the Mideast and provoking Russia and China from Ukraine to the South China Sea, in order to retard Eurasian economic integration” See Brzezinski’s Grand Chessboard. Obama’s Mentor on Foreign Affairs since his days at Columbia, running Obama’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Policies since the start of his Presidential Campaign. To think that I have the same Harvard PHD as Zbig and the same Harvard Law Degree as O. That’s a Real Conspiracy. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 12:01 PM To: Illyes, Robert Frank Cc: peace ; Matt Murrey ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net Subject: Re: [Peace] events? Can you give us an example of conspiracy theory on peace-discuss, Bob? As to that leg-biting razor, I presume you refer to the 'law of parsimony,' the principle attributed to William of Ockham (d. 1347), “entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem,” which Wikipedia interprets "as stating that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.” And I assume the assumption you object to is that the Obama-Clinton administration (like their predecessors) were war-mongers, killing people in the Mideast and provoking Russia and China from Ukraine to the South China Sea, in order to retard Eurasian economic integration, seen as a threat to the economic dominance of the US 1%, established by WWII and declining relatively today? It’s to promote discussion of that important assumption and related matters - which the last administration did so much to hide - that AWARE (and its mailing lists) were established. Regards, CGE > On Jul 22, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Illyes, Robert Frank via Peace > wrote: I'm with Matt on this. I stopped delivery of peace-discuss because it is dominated by conspiracy theorists, who wouldn't recognize Occam's Razor if it bit them in the leg. Or to put it more simply, are gaming the rest of us who would actually like to make the world better and ask nothing for our service- not importance, not recognition, but just peace itself. Sorry for my editorializing, I'll do no more. But I must say that it is a pleasure to hear from Matt. I hope that one of the announcements that I will be seeing will be an invitation to a reading of his poetry. Bob ________________________________________ From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] on behalf of Matt Murrey via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:35 AM To: peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: [Peace] events? It would be helpful for people to stop posting discussion pieces, opinions, articles, etc on this list. This list is for peace-related EVENTS and calls to action happening in the CU community. If you think an event is not politically-ideologically contributing to peace and social justice, send a note to the manager of this list or move your concerns to the PEACE DISCUSS list. _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jul 22 17:35:53 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:35:53 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] From Steven Salaita - A few thoughts on leaving academe In-Reply-To: <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> Message-ID: [A complete victory for the academy, against its stated principles, but for the purposes of its masters, the US 1%. How many junior (or even senior) faculty members will dare risk exercising their putative academic freedom to comment on US/Israeli depredations in the Mideast? —CGE] *** Next week, I will depart Beirut and return to the DC area. I’m grateful to the students and friends who made our time in Lebanon so rewarding. We’ll remember this period with great fondness. My son grew from a toddler into a little boy in Beirut. His first memories are registered at AUB. Despite applying to positions on four continents, I was unable to find an academic job, so I no longer count myself among the professoriate. A number of colleagues have attempted to recruit me, but their efforts always get shut down by management. In turn, I often feel like I’m reliving the UIUC fiasco, which isn’t conducive to the kind of mood I prefer to inhabit. I’m easygoing, but I refuse to tolerate the indignities of a blacklist. My immediate plan is to write and give talks. I’m still young and energetic. I don’t intend to slosh around in self-pity. Whatever I end up doing, I will maintain the spirit of noncompliance that defined my time in academe. If you take any lesson from my ouster, please don’t let it be fear or caution. Docility is a gift to those who profit from injustice. Academe can no longer afford this luxury. People still ask if I would go back in time and change anything. I would not. If my behavior were dishonorable, then I might have something to regret. I condemned a brutal ethnocratic state. On this count, I will die unapologetic. And insofar as we are forced to contemplate life in binaries, I prefer unemployment to subservience. My heart is with those who struggle for dignity amid terrible oppression. I spare no loyalty to a bourgeois industry that rewards self-importance and conformity. Despite every node of my disposition screaming at me not to say what I’m about to say, I again surrender to my lesser judgment: I leave academe feeling that, no matter my copious shortcomings, I managed to remain a decent human being. Zionists have worked overtime to incriminate me, but they’ve never found anything incriminating—not from a lack of diligence, but because there’s nothing to find but plainspoken disdain for settler colonization. I haven’t always been a good professor—I’m disorganized and forgetful and reclusive and unresponsive and an easy grader—but I’ve never compromised my ethics or sold out colleagues and students in order to ingratiate myself to power. Thank you for entertaining my self-indulgence. If my words sound incompatible with the demands of nuance and discretion that predominate in academic culture, then it’s because I’m no longer of the culture and thus unconstrained by its emphasis on disinterest and diplomacy. I can speak according to the whims of my conscience. This is what happens when you manage to survive a punishment. You become free. ### From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jul 22 18:07:08 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 13:07:08 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News from Neptune on UPTV for 21 July 2017 In-Reply-To: <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> Message-ID: News From Neptune - Episode #346 C. G. Estabrook and David Green discuss the news of the week and its coverage by the media; A BEYOND LEFT AND RIGHT edition, recorded at Urbana (IL) Public Television on Friday 21 July 2017: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwx5HBrLSLw&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > Can you give us an example of conspiracy theory on peace-discuss, Bob? > > As to that leg-biting razor, I presume you refer to the 'law of > parsimony,' the principle attributed to William of Ockham (d. 1347), “entia > non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem,” which Wikipedia interprets > "as stating that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest > assumptions should be selected.” > > And I assume the assumption you object to is that the Obama-Clinton > administration (like their predecessors) were war-mongers, killing people > in the Mideast and provoking Russia and China from Ukraine to the South > China Sea, in order to retard Eurasian economic integration, seen as a > threat to the economic dominance of the US 1%, established by WWII and > declining relatively today? > > It’s to promote discussion of that important assumption and related > matters - which the last administration did so much to hide - that AWARE > (and its mailing lists) were established. > > Regards, CGE > > > > > > > > On Jul 22, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Illyes, Robert Frank via Peace < > peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > I'm with Matt on this. I stopped delivery of peace-discuss because it is > dominated by conspiracy theorists, who wouldn't recognize Occam's Razor if > it bit them in the leg. Or to put it more simply, are gaming the rest of us > who would actually like to make the world better and ask nothing for our > service- not importance, not recognition, but just peace itself. Sorry for > my editorializing, I'll do no more. But I must say that it is a pleasure to > hear from Matt. I hope that one of the announcements that I will be seeing > will be an invitation to a reading of his poetry. > > Bob > ________________________________________ > From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] on behalf of Matt Murrey > via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net] > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:35 AM > To: peace at lists.chambana.net > Subject: [Peace] events? > > It would be helpful for people to stop posting discussion pieces, > opinions, articles, etc on this list. This list is for peace-related > EVENTS and calls to action happening in the CU community. If you think an > event is not politically-ideologically contributing to peace and social > justice, send a note to the manager of this list or move your concerns to > the PEACE DISCUSS list. > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *My name is a complete sentence* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sat Jul 22 22:04:40 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] events? In-Reply-To: References: <1625771000.2643136.1500737737844.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625771000.2643136.1500737737844@mail.yahoo.com> <5B3B2E033E8AA24EA3A5F1C497F1809E4543F499@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> <982BA436-672F-4839-BF47-7558D2288B6B@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <2BABA044-F87B-4BAF-9CEA-D7B513826F84@illinois.edu> (And as for De Vere, be clear…) • CGE THE POET. Directly, I am going to Caesar's funeral. • FIRST CITIZEN. As a friend or an enemy? • CGE THE POET. As a friend. • SECOND CITIZEN. That matter is answered directly. • FOURTH CITIZEN. For your dwelling,—briefly. • CGE THE POET. Briefly, I dwell by the Capitol. • THIRD CITIZEN. Your name, sir, truly. • CGE THE POET. Truly, my name is CGE. • FIRST CITIZEN. Tear him to pieces; he's a conspirator. • CGE THE POET. I am CGE the poet, I am CGE the poet. • FOURTH CITIZEN. Tear him for his bad verses, tear him for his bad verses. • CGE THE POET. I am not CGE the conspirator… --‘The Tragedy of Julius Caesar,’ 3.3 (perhaps misremembered) > On Jul 22, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Bill Strutz wrote: > > Yes, let's stop posting opinion pieces to "peace." > The other list (peace-discuss) is the proper venue for conspiring against Carl. > > As for Ockham: Don't knock 'im. > -- Bill > > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: > Can you give us an example of conspiracy theory on peace-discuss, Bob? > > As to that leg-biting razor, I presume you refer to the 'law of parsimony,' the principle attributed to William of Ockham (d. 1347), “entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem,” which Wikipedia interprets "as stating that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.” > > And I assume the assumption you object to is that the Obama-Clinton administration (like their predecessors) were war-mongers, killing people in the Mideast and provoking Russia and China from Ukraine to the South China Sea, in order to retard Eurasian economic integration, seen as a threat to the economic dominance of the US 1%, established by WWII and declining relatively today? > > It’s to promote discussion of that important assumption and related matters - which the last administration did so much to hide - that AWARE (and its mailing lists) were established. > > Regards, CGE > > > > > > >> On Jul 22, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Illyes, Robert Frank via Peace > wrote: >> >> I'm with Matt on this. I stopped delivery of peace-discuss because it is dominated by conspiracy theorists, who wouldn't recognize Occam's Razor if it bit them in the leg. Or to put it more simply, are gaming the rest of us who would actually like to make the world better and ask nothing for our service- not importance, not recognition, but just peace itself. Sorry for my editorializing, I'll do no more. But I must say that it is a pleasure to hear from Matt. I hope that one of the announcements that I will be seeing will be an invitation to a reading of his poetry. >> >> Bob >> ________________________________________ >> From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net ] on behalf of Matt Murrey via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net ] >> Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:35 AM >> To: peace at lists.chambana.net >> Subject: [Peace] events? >> >> It would be helpful for people to stop posting discussion pieces, opinions, articles, etc on this list. This list is for peace-related EVENTS and calls to action happening in the CU community. If you think an event is not politically-ideologically contributing to peace and social justice, send a note to the manager of this list or move your concerns to the PEACE DISCUSS list. >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > My name is a complete sentence -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jul 23 00:08:29 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 00:08:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] events? In-Reply-To: References: <1625771000.2643136.1500737737844.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625771000.2643136.1500737737844@mail.yahoo.com> <5B3B2E033E8AA24EA3A5F1C497F1809E4543F499@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> <982BA436-672F-4839-BF47-7558D2288B6B@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Sorry folks, for ruining your day. I know its so much pleasanter to think of peace, poetry, flowers, the beauty of nature, and love. Information related to the “anti-peace,” we as Americans bring to others in the rest of the world, is disturbing, with images of the carnage and destruction we bring to people of color. Native Americans, African Americans, Asians, and Muslims. Hearing about all those poor people being slaughtered, it just ruins our day. Does it never end? No, not until we recognize it, understand it, and stop it. On Jul 22, 2017, at 14:26, Bill Strutz via Peace-discuss > wrote: Yes, let's stop posting opinion pieces to "peace." The other list (peace-discuss) is the proper venue for conspiring against Carl. As for Ockham: Don't knock 'im. -- Bill On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: Can you give us an example of conspiracy theory on peace-discuss, Bob? As to that leg-biting razor, I presume you refer to the 'law of parsimony,' the principle attributed to William of Ockham (d. 1347), “entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem,” which Wikipedia interprets "as stating that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.” And I assume the assumption you object to is that the Obama-Clinton administration (like their predecessors) were war-mongers, killing people in the Mideast and provoking Russia and China from Ukraine to the South China Sea, in order to retard Eurasian economic integration, seen as a threat to the economic dominance of the US 1%, established by WWII and declining relatively today? It’s to promote discussion of that important assumption and related matters - which the last administration did so much to hide - that AWARE (and its mailing lists) were established. Regards, CGE On Jul 22, 2017, at 11:25 AM, Illyes, Robert Frank via Peace > wrote: I'm with Matt on this. I stopped delivery of peace-discuss because it is dominated by conspiracy theorists, who wouldn't recognize Occam's Razor if it bit them in the leg. Or to put it more simply, are gaming the rest of us who would actually like to make the world better and ask nothing for our service- not importance, not recognition, but just peace itself. Sorry for my editorializing, I'll do no more. But I must say that it is a pleasure to hear from Matt. I hope that one of the announcements that I will be seeing will be an invitation to a reading of his poetry. Bob ________________________________________ From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] on behalf of Matt Murrey via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 10:35 AM To: peace at lists.chambana.net Subject: [Peace] events? It would be helpful for people to stop posting discussion pieces, opinions, articles, etc on this list. This list is for peace-related EVENTS and calls to action happening in the CU community. If you think an event is not politically-ideologically contributing to peace and social justice, send a note to the manager of this list or move your concerns to the PEACE DISCUSS list. _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My name is a complete sentence _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 00:19:49 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 19:19:49 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE ON THE AIR for Tuesday 18 July In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8xLon7ST0U AWARE on the Air - Episode #416 Produced by the Anti-War, Anti-Racism Effort of Champaign-Urbana War news and the following articles are discussed by Karen Aram & C. G. Estabrook: “Mali war spilling into Burkina Faso, Niger” | By Thomas Gaist | 18 July 2017 | wsws.org “With New D.C. Policy Group, Dems Continue to Rehabilitate and Unify With Bush-Era Neocons” | By Glenn Greenwald | 17b July 2017 | theintercept.com | ### -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jul 23 11:55:38 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 11:55:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd:Foreign academics at Thai Studies Conference send weak and meaningless message to Thai junta References: <61854989.1855.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: By a former Thai academic, now exiled from his home. The criticism of foreign academics can be applied to non academics who turn a blind eye to injustice in Thailand, as well as other nations. New post on Uglytruth-Thailand [http://s0.wp.com/i/emails/blavatar.png] [http://2.gravatar.com/avatar/b94c98491e599510a5ec039e64af3261?s=50&d=identicon&r=G] Foreign academics at Thai Studies Conference send weak and meaningless message to Thai junta by uglytruththailand Giles Ji Ungpakorn Despite the military junta, the repression and the destruction of academic freedom in Thailand, it was “business as usual” for most of the foreign academics who attended the 13th International Thai Studies Conference in Chiang Mai last week. Because academics from outside Thailand attended this conference it legitimised the military dictatorship. This is the real message sent out internationally despite the limp and meaningless declaration by 31 foreign academics and 145 Thai academics. The declaration was limp and meaningless because abstract calls for academic freedom and democracy and the freeing of political prisoners will just be ignored by the junta. It isn’t worth the paper upon which it is written. What is more, they couldn’t even bring themselves to demand the abolition of the draconian lèse majesté law. I do not in any way criticise the Thai academics who signed this declaration. That was a reasonably brave thing to do. But I criticise the foreign academics who signed the declaration so that they could absolve their consciences. And let us be clear. Not all the foreign academics even bothered to sign. Missing from the list of signatures were some of the so-called “key note speakers”. What is more, the junta have now summonsed 3 Thai academics, who attended the conference, for posing with a sign stating that "Universities Are Not Military Camps". As Pinkaew Laungaramsri, one of the three academics, explained, they put up this sign because the conference was full of security personnel in plain clothes who never bothered to register and who sat in meetings, took notes and photographed people. Yet the declaration by the 176 academics never even addressed this problem. [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/510126.jpg?w=300] An important question for the western academics now is what are they going to do to protect these three lecturers? (photo above) [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/11201858_1655534821388973_6543982927919377750_n.jpg?w=300] A few days ago, at 6:45 am, plain clothed military officers paid a visit to Sanhanut Sartaporn (above) at his secondary school and threatened him with violence if he did not stop posting articles critical of Generalissimo Prayut on social media. "If you don't stop criticising our boss, we'll send your name to people and who knows what will happen to you", they told to him. Sanhanut is part of an activist student group called "Education for Freedom". They have criticised the way the junta leader has intervened in education policy. A much more powerful message to the junta would have been the total boycotting of such a conference held in Thailand. They could have organised an alternative conference outside the country and purposely invited those Thai academics in exile to speak, all expenses paid. I say “all expenses paid” because many of the exiled Thai academics in Europe and elsewhere, who are on the junta’s “wanted list”, have had to give up their academic jobs and now survive on low incomes. [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/njpus24ncqkx5e1bbf6wvvalqz6vj9wosjdshp7mjnb.jpg?w=560] [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/images.jpg?w=560] There are also exiled students and journalists living frugal lives. Most of these people have been granted political asylum. What a message such an alternative conference would have sent out to the world about the state of Thailand, but also about the need to defend asylum seekers and migrants!! [https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/19260236_1235511823224418_3586156871626263973_n.jpg?w=225][https://uglytruththailand.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/photo.jpg?w=300] As already stated, foreign academics attending the conference in Thailand helped to legitimise the military junta and its plans for a military controlled “Guided Democracy” system after any future elections. The participants would have been rubbing shoulders with various toadies of the junta during dinners and ceremonies. Remember that all the academic administrators in Thai universities have collaborated with the junta’s repression. For Thai citizens the present political situation does not allow people to discuss the vicious and demented new king, who not only abuses women but who also personally consumes millions of much needed public funds. The military has blood on its hands from shooting down unarmed pro-democracy activists and is totally tainted with corruption. Like the king, the military has helped itself to billions in order to buy new weapons. Such funds are urgently needed to provide a decent welfare state, education and health care for the majority of the population. Yet Thai citizens are being told by the junta that there is “no money” to improve these services and people face having to retire at a later stage in life while having to pay for health care. None of this could be discussed at the Thai Studies Conference. People are being arrested and jailed or carted off for “attitude changing sessions” in secret locations for using social media in a manner which upsets the generals. Among the political prisoners in Thai jails, who are often tried in military courts, are some prominent students who have been locked up for questioning military rule and corruption or staging political plays in a universities. Political seminars and discussions in universities and public places have been banned or shut down by soldiers. The bottom line is that there is no such thing as academic freedom in Thailand today. The exception is the select few privileged foreign academics who haunt the Thai Studies conferences, making sure that they don’t upset the people who are in power. For these pathetic people, their careers and visas to visit Thailand are more important than freedom, democracy and human rights among the very people they claim to study. More details about political prisoners: https://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/ uglytruththailand | July 23, 2017 at 6:34 am | Tags: academic freedom, Giles Ji Ungpkorn, Military junta, Thai politics, Thai Studies Conference | Categories: Thai politics | URL: http://wp.me/p4bxj7-tV Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from Uglytruth-Thailand. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions. Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: https://uglytruththailand.wordpress.com/2017/07/23/foreign-academics-at-thai-studies-conference-send-weak-and-meaningless-message-to-thai-junta/ Thanks for flying with [https://s0.wp.com/i/emails/blavatar-default.png] WordPress.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 13:38:46 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:38:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 13:38:46 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:38:46 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jul 23 13:46:38 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 13:46:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Chris Hedges interviews Eugene Puryear, whose analysis and solutions are on the nail. Message-ID: https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/397226-puryear-socialism-liberation-incarceartion/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 15:03:08 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 15:03:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ronnie is a member of the Federalist Society and used to teach Conned Law here: That a blowjob and lying about a blowjob is an indictable and impeachable offense. But of course the College of Law had no problem inviting in Killer Koh as a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. Ergo: Blowjobs are more important than War at the Blowjob College of Law. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 15:03:08 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 15:03:08 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ronnie is a member of the Federalist Society and used to teach Conned Law here: That a blowjob and lying about a blowjob is an indictable and impeachable offense. But of course the College of Law had no problem inviting in Killer Koh as a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. Ergo: Blowjobs are more important than War at the Blowjob College of Law. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 17:22:21 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 17:22:21 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Message-ID: And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 17:22:21 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 17:22:21 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Message-ID: And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 19:39:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 19:39:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Message-ID: Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:22 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 19:39:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 19:39:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Message-ID: Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:22 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 19:56:31 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 19:56:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Message-ID: Mazzone who invited Killer Koh out here is a prominent member of the Federalist Society, hired by the COL Faculty to replace Ronnie "teaching" Conned Law when he left. Ergo, Blowjobs are far more important to the Feddies than War. The Feddies are just a Gang of Sick and Demented Blowjob Little Twits. Ditto for the COL Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:40 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:22 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 23 19:56:31 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 19:56:31 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Message-ID: Mazzone who invited Killer Koh out here is a prominent member of the Federalist Society, hired by the COL Faculty to replace Ronnie "teaching" Conned Law when he left. Ergo, Blowjobs are far more important to the Feddies than War. The Feddies are just a Gang of Sick and Demented Blowjob Little Twits. Ditto for the COL Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:40 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:22 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From divisek at yahoo.com Sun Jul 23 20:40:34 2017 From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] blowjob thread References: <1902066575.4040214.1500842434779.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1902066575.4040214.1500842434779@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Francis, Your posts have become so nasty that I usually press delete without reading them.  Such intense anger makes communication difficult. Regards, Dianna -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r-szoke at illinois.edu Mon Jul 24 00:44:55 2017 From: r-szoke at illinois.edu (Szoke, Ron) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 00:44:55 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] blowjob thread In-Reply-To: <1902066575.4040214.1500842434779@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1902066575.4040214.1500842434779.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1902066575.4040214.1500842434779@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27D78B19-971D-4B83-8160-8FE4612FF639@illinois.edu> Maybe we should start another thread, such as peace-nasty or peace-abuse, reserved for name-calling, personal insults & horrifying accusations of being a Nazi, douchebag, blow-jobber, neoliberal, Hillary-lover, warmonger, necrophiliac, etc. Just sayin’ . ~~ Ron —— Back room at the wax museum: [cid:E07F1FEA-865E-4070-82FB-1A5170FA8092] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:28:59 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] blowjob thread In-Reply-To: <27D78B19-971D-4B83-8160-8FE4612FF639@illinois.edu> References: <1902066575.4040214.1500842434779.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1902066575.4040214.1500842434779@mail.yahoo.com> <27D78B19-971D-4B83-8160-8FE4612FF639@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <31D1FFB5-6AF4-40F7-9BDC-A3C5617AE776@illinois.edu> We could call it “US Foreign Policy,” since all the accusations are true there. —CGE > On Jul 23, 2017, at 7:44 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Maybe we should start another thread, such as peace-nasty or peace-abuse, reserved for name-calling, personal insults & horrifying accusations of being a Nazi, douchebag, blow-jobber, neoliberal, Hillary-lover, warmonger, necrophiliac, etc. Just sayin’ . > > ~~ Ron > > —— > > Back room at the wax museum: > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 24 01:46:19 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:46:19 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] From Steven Salaita - A few thoughts on leavingacademe In-Reply-To: <1500860491188.bj1xm1l2mpkvgetowt3psafr@android.mail.163.com> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> <1500860491188.bj1xm1l2mpkvgetowt3psafr@android.mail.163.com> Message-ID: <3FA07BD8-A720-4FF3-AD7D-EED506FF7365@illinois.edu> The UI, like much of the rest of the American academy, continues to plumb the murky depths of phoniness. Best to you & yours, CGE > On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:41 PM, ewj wrote: > > Thanks for sharing this, Carl. I enjoyed reading it (enjoyed it too much, perhaps) & likely would have not seen it otherwise. > > > On 2017-07-23 01:35 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: > > [A complete victory for the academy, against its stated principles, but for the purposes of its masters, the US 1%. How many junior (or even senior) faculty members will dare risk exercising their putative academic freedom to comment on US/Israeli depredations in the Mideast? —CGE] > > *** > Next week, I will depart Beirut and return to the DC area. I’m grateful to the students and friends who made our time in Lebanon so rewarding. We’ll remember this period with great fondness. My son grew from a toddler into a little boy in Beirut. His first memories are registered at AUB. > > Despite applying to positions on four continents, I was unable to find an academic job, so I no longer count myself among the professoriate. A number of colleagues have attempted to recruit me, but their efforts always get shut down by management. In turn, I often feel like I’m reliving the UIUC fiasco, which isn’t conducive to the kind of mood I prefer to inhabit. I’m easygoing, but I refuse to tolerate the indignities of a blacklist. > > My immediate plan is to write and give talks. I’m still young and energetic. I don’t intend to slosh around in self-pity. Whatever I end up doing, I will maintain the spirit of noncompliance that defined my time in academe. If you take any lesson from my ouster, please don’t let it be fear or caution. Docility is a gift to those who profit from injustice. Academe can no longer afford this luxury. > > People still ask if I would go back in time and change anything. I would not. If my behavior were dishonorable, then I might have something to regret. I condemned a brutal ethnocratic state. On this count, I will die unapologetic. And insofar as we are forced to contemplate life in binaries, I prefer unemployment to subservience. My heart is with those who struggle for dignity amid terrible oppression. I spare no loyalty to a bourgeois industry that rewards self-importance and conformity. > Despite every node of my disposition screaming at me not to say what I’m about to say, I again surrender to my lesser judgment: I leave academe feeling that, no matter my copious shortcomings, I managed to remain a decent human being. Zionists have worked overtime to incriminate me, but they’ve never found anything incriminating—not from a lack of diligence, but because there’s nothing to find but plainspoken disdain for settler colonization. I haven’t always been a good professor—I’m disorganized and forgetful and reclusive and unresponsive and an easy grader—but I’ve never compromised my ethics or sold out colleagues and students in order to ingratiate myself to power. > > Thank you for entertaining my self-indulgence. If my words sound incompatible with the demands of nuance and discretion that predominate in academic culture, then it’s because I’m no longer of the culture and thus unconstrained by its emphasis on disinterest and diplomacy. I can speak according to the whims of my conscience. This is what happens when you manage to survive a punishment. You become free. > > ### > _______________________________________________ > Prairiegreens mailing list > Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens > http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 24 02:25:39 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 21:25:39 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] From Steven Salaita - A few thoughts on leavingacademe In-Reply-To: <1500862123700.qtqofhpxobfktegeidauwx5r@android.mail.163.com> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> <1500860491188.bj1xm1l2mpkvgetowt3psafr@android.mail.163.com> <3FA07BD8-A720-4FF3-AD7D-EED506FF7365@illinois.edu> <1500862123700.qtqofhpxobfktegeidauwx5r@android.mail.163.com> Message-ID: <5F3898C0-7E56-4BC4-9A12-50D8085FE397@illinois.edu> I told my parents I wanted a pony when I grew up and went to college. I think I spelt it wrong. > On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:08 PM, ewj wrote: > > I think it is actually a rather non-authentic and borrowed, plagiarized sort of phony. They just don't make phony any more like they used to. > > Their phony is just a sort of paint, as if the look and feel was enough. The smells of fake phony just fail to inspire like the real thing. > > When one comes into contact with the absolute infinite purity of real phony, one is forever transformed. The feigned stuff can't seem to reach those depths. > > > > On 2017-07-24 09:46 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: > > The UI, like much of the rest of the American academy, continues to plumb the murky depths of phoniness. > > Best to you & yours, CGE > > >> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:41 PM, ewj > wrote: >> >> Thanks for sharing this, Carl. I enjoyed reading it (enjoyed it too much, perhaps) & likely would have not seen it otherwise. >> >> >> On 2017-07-23 01:35 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >> >> [A complete victory for the academy, against its stated principles, but for the purposes of its masters, the US 1%. How many junior (or even senior) faculty members will dare risk exercising their putative academic freedom to comment on US/Israeli depredations in the Mideast? —CGE] >> >> *** >> Next week, I will depart Beirut and return to the DC area. I’m grateful to the students and friends who made our time in Lebanon so rewarding. We’ll remember this period with great fondness. My son grew from a toddler into a little boy in Beirut. His first memories are registered at AUB. >> >> Despite applying to positions on four continents, I was unable to find an academic job, so I no longer count myself among the professoriate. A number of colleagues have attempted to recruit me, but their efforts always get shut down by management. In turn, I often feel like I’m reliving the UIUC fiasco, which isn’t conducive to the kind of mood I prefer to inhabit. I’m easygoing, but I refuse to tolerate the indignities of a blacklist. >> >> My immediate plan is to write and give talks. I’m still young and energetic. I don’t intend to slosh around in self-pity. Whatever I end up doing, I will maintain the spirit of noncompliance that defined my time in academe. If you take any lesson from my ouster, please don’t let it be fear or caution. Docility is a gift to those who profit from injustice. Academe can no longer afford this luxury. >> >> People still ask if I would go back in time and change anything. I would not. If my behavior were dishonorable, then I might have something to regret. I condemned a brutal ethnocratic state. On this count, I will die unapologetic. And insofar as we are forced to contemplate life in binaries, I prefer unemployment to subservience. My heart is with those who struggle for dignity amid terrible oppression. I spare no loyalty to a bourgeois industry that rewards self-importance and conformity. >> Despite every node of my disposition screaming at me not to say what I’m about to say, I again surrender to my lesser judgment: I leave academe feeling that, no matter my copious shortcomings, I managed to remain a decent human being. Zionists have worked overtime to incriminate me, but they’ve never found anything incriminating—not from a lack of diligence, but because there’s nothing to find but plainspoken disdain for settler colonization. I haven’t always been a good professor—I’m disorganized and forgetful and reclusive and unresponsive and an easy grader—but I’ve never compromised my ethics or sold out colleagues and students in order to ingratiate myself to power. >> >> Thank you for entertaining my self-indulgence. If my words sound incompatible with the demands of nuance and discretion that predominate in academic culture, then it’s because I’m no longer of the culture and thus unconstrained by its emphasis on disinterest and diplomacy. I can speak according to the whims of my conscience. This is what happens when you manage to survive a punishment. You become free. >> >> ### >> _______________________________________________ >> Prairiegreens mailing list >> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Mon Jul 24 03:06:55 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 22:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] From Steven Salaita - A few thoughts on leavingacademe In-Reply-To: <1500863848626.1smnotwkg1un2akrnbl3f04z@android.mail.163.com> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> <1500860491188.bj1xm1l2mpkvgetowt3psafr@android.mail.163.com> <3FA07BD8-A720-4FF3-AD7D-EED506FF7365@illinois.edu> <1500862123700.qtqofhpxobfktegeidauwx5r@android.mail.163.com> <5F3898C0-7E56-4BC4-9A12-50D8085FE397@illinois.edu> <1500863848626.1smnotwkg1un2akrnbl3f04z@android.mail.163.com> Message-ID: <0C223BEA-C2A9-4D57-95EB-BADC3880AC19@illinois.edu> Is that caused by excess acidity in one’s remarks? > On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:37 PM, ewj wrote: > > Clearly a case of pH imbalance. > > > On 2017-07-24 10:25 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: > > I told my parents I wanted a pony when I grew up and went to college. > > I think I spelt it wrong. > > >> On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:08 PM, ewj > wrote: >> >> I think it is actually a rather non-authentic and borrowed, plagiarized sort of phony. They just don't make phony any more like they used to. >> >> Their phony is just a sort of paint, as if the look and feel was enough. The smells of fake phony just fail to inspire like the real thing. >> >> When one comes into contact with the absolute infinite purity of real phony, one is forever transformed. The feigned stuff can't seem to reach those depths. >> >> >> >> On 2017-07-24 09:46 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >> >> The UI, like much of the rest of the American academy, continues to plumb the murky depths of phoniness. >> >> Best to you & yours, CGE >> >> >>> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:41 PM, ewj > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for sharing this, Carl. I enjoyed reading it (enjoyed it too much, perhaps) & likely would have not seen it otherwise. >>> >>> >>> On 2017-07-23 01:35 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >>> >>> [A complete victory for the academy, against its stated principles, but for the purposes of its masters, the US 1%. How many junior (or even senior) faculty members will dare risk exercising their putative academic freedom to comment on US/Israeli depredations in the Mideast? —CGE] >>> >>> *** >>> Next week, I will depart Beirut and return to the DC area. I’m grateful to the students and friends who made our time in Lebanon so rewarding. We’ll remember this period with great fondness. My son grew from a toddler into a little boy in Beirut. His first memories are registered at AUB. >>> >>> Despite applying to positions on four continents, I was unable to find an academic job, so I no longer count myself among the professoriate. A number of colleagues have attempted to recruit me, but their efforts always get shut down by management. In turn, I often feel like I’m reliving the UIUC fiasco, which isn’t conducive to the kind of mood I prefer to inhabit. I’m easygoing, but I refuse to tolerate the indignities of a blacklist. >>> >>> My immediate plan is to write and give talks. I’m still young and energetic. I don’t intend to slosh around in self-pity. Whatever I end up doing, I will maintain the spirit of noncompliance that defined my time in academe. If you take any lesson from my ouster, please don’t let it be fear or caution. Docility is a gift to those who profit from injustice. Academe can no longer afford this luxury. >>> >>> People still ask if I would go back in time and change anything. I would not. If my behavior were dishonorable, then I might have something to regret. I condemned a brutal ethnocratic state. On this count, I will die unapologetic. And insofar as we are forced to contemplate life in binaries, I prefer unemployment to subservience. My heart is with those who struggle for dignity amid terrible oppression. I spare no loyalty to a bourgeois industry that rewards self-importance and conformity. >>> Despite every node of my disposition screaming at me not to say what I’m about to say, I again surrender to my lesser judgment: I leave academe feeling that, no matter my copious shortcomings, I managed to remain a decent human being. Zionists have worked overtime to incriminate me, but they’ve never found anything incriminating—not from a lack of diligence, but because there’s nothing to find but plainspoken disdain for settler colonization. I haven’t always been a good professor—I’m disorganized and forgetful and reclusive and unresponsive and an easy grader—but I’ve never compromised my ethics or sold out colleagues and students in order to ingratiate myself to power. >>> >>> Thank you for entertaining my self-indulgence. If my words sound incompatible with the demands of nuance and discretion that predominate in academic culture, then it’s because I’m no longer of the culture and thus unconstrained by its emphasis on disinterest and diplomacy. I can speak according to the whims of my conscience. This is what happens when you manage to survive a punishment. You become free. >>> >>> ### >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Prairiegreens mailing list >>> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >>> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 22:28:22 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] From Steven Salaita - A few thoughts on leavingacademe In-Reply-To: <1500866725477.0zf3vq0lxm15zgjevylketzv@android.mail.163.com> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> <1500860491188.bj1xm1l2mpkvgetowt3psafr@android.mail.163.com> <3FA07BD8-A720-4FF3-AD7D-EED506FF7365@illinois.edu> <1500862123700.qtqofhpxobfktegeidauwx5r@android.mail.163.com> <5F3898C0-7E56-4BC4-9A12-50D8085FE397@illinois.edu> <1500863848626.1smnotwkg1un2akrnbl3f04z@android.mail.163.com> <0C223BEA-C2A9-4D57-95EB-BADC3880AC19@illinois.edu> <1500866725477.0zf3vq0lxm15zgjevylketzv@android.mail.163.com> Message-ID: <79378AAD-F249-4FC7-88C7-E85E349FDC74@illinois.edu> They said I was off-base, and I was thrown out. > On Jul 23, 2017, at 10:25 PM, ewj wrote: > > Not when interacting with the base elements of the world . > > > On 2017-07-24 11:06 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: > > Is that caused by excess acidity in one’s remarks? > > >> On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:37 PM, ewj > wrote: >> >> Clearly a case of pH imbalance. >> >> >> On 2017-07-24 10:25 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >> >> I told my parents I wanted a pony when I grew up and went to college. >> >> I think I spelt it wrong. >> >> >>> On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:08 PM, ewj > wrote: >>> >>> I think it is actually a rather non-authentic and borrowed, plagiarized sort of phony. They just don't make phony any more like they used to. >>> >>> Their phony is just a sort of paint, as if the look and feel was enough. The smells of fake phony just fail to inspire like the real thing. >>> >>> When one comes into contact with the absolute infinite purity of real phony, one is forever transformed. The feigned stuff can't seem to reach those depths. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2017-07-24 09:46 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >>> >>> The UI, like much of the rest of the American academy, continues to plumb the murky depths of phoniness. >>> >>> Best to you & yours, CGE >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:41 PM, ewj > wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for sharing this, Carl. I enjoyed reading it (enjoyed it too much, perhaps) & likely would have not seen it otherwise. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2017-07-23 01:35 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >>>> >>>> [A complete victory for the academy, against its stated principles, but for the purposes of its masters, the US 1%. How many junior (or even senior) faculty members will dare risk exercising their putative academic freedom to comment on US/Israeli depredations in the Mideast? —CGE] >>>> >>>> *** >>>> Next week, I will depart Beirut and return to the DC area. I’m grateful to the students and friends who made our time in Lebanon so rewarding. We’ll remember this period with great fondness. My son grew from a toddler into a little boy in Beirut. His first memories are registered at AUB. >>>> >>>> Despite applying to positions on four continents, I was unable to find an academic job, so I no longer count myself among the professoriate. A number of colleagues have attempted to recruit me, but their efforts always get shut down by management. In turn, I often feel like I’m reliving the UIUC fiasco, which isn’t conducive to the kind of mood I prefer to inhabit. I’m easygoing, but I refuse to tolerate the indignities of a blacklist. >>>> >>>> My immediate plan is to write and give talks. I’m still young and energetic. I don’t intend to slosh around in self-pity. Whatever I end up doing, I will maintain the spirit of noncompliance that defined my time in academe. If you take any lesson from my ouster, please don’t let it be fear or caution. Docility is a gift to those who profit from injustice. Academe can no longer afford this luxury. >>>> >>>> People still ask if I would go back in time and change anything. I would not. If my behavior were dishonorable, then I might have something to regret. I condemned a brutal ethnocratic state. On this count, I will die unapologetic. And insofar as we are forced to contemplate life in binaries, I prefer unemployment to subservience. My heart is with those who struggle for dignity amid terrible oppression. I spare no loyalty to a bourgeois industry that rewards self-importance and conformity. >>>> Despite every node of my disposition screaming at me not to say what I’m about to say, I again surrender to my lesser judgment: I leave academe feeling that, no matter my copious shortcomings, I managed to remain a decent human being. Zionists have worked overtime to incriminate me, but they’ve never found anything incriminating—not from a lack of diligence, but because there’s nothing to find but plainspoken disdain for settler colonization. I haven’t always been a good professor—I’m disorganized and forgetful and reclusive and unresponsive and an easy grader—but I’ve never compromised my ethics or sold out colleagues and students in order to ingratiate myself to power. >>>> >>>> Thank you for entertaining my self-indulgence. If my words sound incompatible with the demands of nuance and discretion that predominate in academic culture, then it’s because I’m no longer of the culture and thus unconstrained by its emphasis on disinterest and diplomacy. I can speak according to the whims of my conscience. This is what happens when you manage to survive a punishment. You become free. >>>> >>>> ### >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Prairiegreens mailing list >>>> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >>>> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 22:45:14 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] From Steven Salaita - A few thoughts on leavingacademe In-Reply-To: <1500867551540.iqwyle3cixbyjxoerjum2bgh@android.mail.163.com> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> < B671F102-DBC9-427C-9E73-D22D6D6C14C1@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> <1500860491188.bj1xm1l2mpkvgetowt3psafr@android.mail.163.com> <3FA07BD8-A720-4FF3-AD7D-EED506FF7365@illinois.edu> <1500862123700.qtqofhpxobfktegeidauwx5r@android.mail.163.com> <5F3898C0-7E56-4BC4-9A12-50D8085FE397@illinois.edu> <1500863848626.1smnotwkg1un2akrnbl3f04z@android.mail.163.com> <0C223BEA-C2A9-4D57-95EB-BADC3880AC19@illinois.edu> <1500866725477.0zf3vq0lxm15zgjevylketzv@android.mail.163.com> <7 9378AAD-F249-4FC7-88C7-E85E349FDC74@illinois.edu> <1500867551540.iqwyle3cixbyjxoerjum2bgh@android.mail.163.com> Message-ID: <9A56267E-D53A-4B06-91A1-7EF0E3199998@illinois.edu> Tang went to the moon, I thought? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2017, at 10:39 PM, ewj wrote: > > 'Tis a precipitous journey, but the salts of the earth retain their tang-y-ness. > > > > > > On 2017-07-24 11:28 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: > > They said I was off-base, and I was thrown out. > > >> On Jul 23, 2017, at 10:25 PM, ewj wrote: >> >> Not when interacting with the base elements of the world . >> >> >> On 2017-07-24 11:06 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >> >> Is that caused by excess acidity in one’s remarks? >> >> >>> On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:37 PM, ewj wrote: >>> >>> Clearly a case of pH imbalance. >>> >>> >>> On 2017-07-24 10:25 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >>> >>> I told my parents I wanted a pony when I grew up and went to college. >>> >>> I think I spelt it wrong. >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:08 PM, ewj wrote: >>>> >>>> I think it is actually a rather non-authentic and borrowed, plagiarized sort of phony. They just don't make phony any more like they used to. >>>> >>>> Their phony is just a sort of paint, as if the look and feel was enough. The smells of fake phony just fail to inspire like the real thing. >>>> >>>> When one comes into contact with the absolute infinite purity of real phony, one is forever transformed. The feigned stuff can't seem to reach those depths. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2017-07-24 09:46 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >>>> >>>> The UI, like much of the rest of the American academy, continues to plumb the murky depths of phoniness. >>>> >>>> Best to you & yours, CGE >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:41 PM, ewj wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for sharing this, Carl. I enjoyed reading it (enjoyed it too much, perhaps) & likely would have not seen it otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2017-07-23 01:35 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [A complete victory for the academy, against its stated principles, but for the purposes of its masters, the US 1%. How many junior (or even senior) faculty members will dare risk exercising their putative academic freedom to comment on US/Israeli depredations in the Mideast? —CGE] >>>>> >>>>> *** >>>>> Next week, I will depart Beirut and return to the DC area. I’m grateful to the students and friends who made our time in Lebanon so rewarding. We’ll remember this period with great fondness. My son grew from a toddler into a little boy in Beirut. His first memories are registered at AUB. >>>>> >>>>> Despite applying to positions on four continents, I was unable to find an academic job, so I no longer count myself among the professoriate. A number of colleagues have attempted to recruit me, but their efforts always get shut down by management. In turn, I often feel like I’m reliving the UIUC fiasco, which isn’t conducive to the kind of mood I prefer to inhabit. I’m easygoing, but I refuse to tolerate the indignities of a blacklist. >>>>> >>>>> My immediate plan is to write and give talks. I’m still young and energetic. I don’t intend to slosh around in self-pity. Whatever I end up doing, I will maintain the spirit of noncompliance that defined my time in academe. If you take any lesson from my ouster, please don’t let it be fear or caution. Docility is a gift to those who profit from injustice. Academe can no longer afford this luxury. >>>>> >>>>> People still ask if I would go back in time and change anything. I would not. If my behavior were dishonorable, then I might have something to regret. I condemned a brutal ethnocratic state. On this count, I will die unapologetic. And insofar as we are forced to contemplate life in binaries, I prefer unemployment to subservience. My heart is with those who struggle for dignity amid terrible oppression. I spare no loyalty to a bourgeois industry that rewards self-importance and conformity. >>>>> Despite every node of my disposition screaming at me not to say what I’m about to say, I again surrender to my lesser judgment: I leave academe feeling that, no matter my copious shortcomings, I managed to remain a decent human being. Zionists have worked overtime to incriminate me, but they’ve never found anything incriminating—not from a lack of diligence, but because there’s nothing to find but plainspoken disdain for settler colonization. I haven’t always been a good professor—I’m disorganized and forgetful and reclusive and unresponsive and an easy grader—but I’ve never compromised my ethics or sold out colleagues and students in order to ingratiate myself to power. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for entertaining my self-indulgence. If my words sound incompatible with the demands of nuance and discretion that predominate in academic culture, then it’s because I’m no longer of the culture and thus unconstrained by its emphasis on disinterest and diplomacy. I can speak according to the whims of my conscience. This is what happens when you manage to survive a punishment. You become free. >>>>> >>>>> ### >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Prairiegreens mailing list >>>>> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >>>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >>>>> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ >>>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun Jul 23 2017 22:50:46 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Tang went to the moon, I thought? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2017, at 10:39 PM, ewj wrote: 'Tis a precipitous journey, but the salts of the earth retain their tang-y-ness. On 2017-07-24 11:28 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: They said I was off-base, and I was thrown out. On Jul 23, 2017, at 10:25 PM, ewj wrote: Not when interacting with the base elements of the world . On 2017-07-24 11:06 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: Is that caused by excess acidity in one’s remarks? On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:37 PM, ewj wrote: Clearly a case of pH imbalance. On 2017-07-24 10:25 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: I told my parents I wanted a pony when I grew up and went to college. I think I spelt it wrong. On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:08 PM, ewj wrote: I think it is actually a rather non-authentic and borrowed, plagiarized sort of phony.  They just don't make phony any more like they used to.   Their phony is just a sort of paint, as if the look and feel was enough.  The smells of fake phony just fail to inspire like the real thing. When one comes into contact with the absolute infinite purity of real phony, one is forever transformed.  The feigned stuff can't seem to reach those depths.   On 2017-07-24 09:46 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: The UI, like much of the rest of the American academy, continues to plumb the murky depths of phoniness. Best to you & yours, CGE On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:41 PM, ewj wrote: Thanks for sharing this, Carl. I enjoyed reading it (enjoyed it too much, perhaps) & likely would have not seen it otherwise. On 2017-07-23 01:35 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: [A complete victory for the academy, against its stated principles, but for the purposes of its masters, the US 1%. How many junior (or even senior) faculty members will dare risk exercising their putative academic freedom to comment on US/Israeli depredations in the Mideast? —CGE] *** Next week, I will depart Beirut and return to the DC area. I’m grateful to the students and friends who made our time in Lebanon so rewarding. We’ll remember this period with great fondness. My son grew from a toddler into a little boy in Beirut. His first memories are registered at AUB. Despite applying to positions on four continents, I was unable to find an academic job, so I no longer count myself among the professoriate. A number of colleagues have attempted to recruit me, but their efforts always get shut down by management. In turn, I often feel like I’m reliving the UIUC fiasco, which isn’t conducive to the kind of mood I prefer to inhabit. I’m easygoing, but I refuse to tolerate the indignities of a blacklist. My immediate plan is to write and give talks. I’m still young and energetic. I don’t intend to slosh around in self-pity. Whatever I end up doing, I will maintain the spirit of noncompliance that defined my time in academe. If you take any lesson from my ouster, please don’t let it be fear or caution. Docility is a gift to those who profit from injustice. Academe can no longer afford this luxury. People still ask if I would go back in time and change anything. I would not. If my behavior were dishonorable, then I might have something to regret. I condemned a brutal ethnocratic state. On this count, I will die unapologetic. And insofar as we are forced to contemplate life in binaries, I prefer unemployment to subservience. My heart is with those who struggle for dignity amid terrible oppression. I spare no loyalty to a bourgeois industry that rewards self-importance and conformity. Despite every node of my disposition screaming at me not to say what I’m about to say, I again surrender to my lesser judgment: I leave academe feeling that, no matter my copious shortcomings, I managed to remain a decent human being. Zionists have worked overtime to incriminate me, but they’ve never found anything incriminating—not from a lack of diligence, but because there’s nothing to find but plainspoken disdain for settler colonization. I haven’t always been a good professor—I’m disorganized and forgetful and reclusive and unresponsive and an easy grader—but I’ve never compromised my ethics or sold out colleagues and students in order to ingratiate myself to power. Thank you for entertaining my self-indulgence. If my words sound incompatible with the demands of nuance and discretion that predominate in academic culture, then it’s because I’m no longer of the culture and thus unconstrained by its emphasis on disinterest and diplomacy. I can speak according to the whims of my conscience. This is what happens when you manage to survive a punishment. You become free. ### _______________________________________________ Prairiegreens mailing list Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 24 11:42:04 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 11:42:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! Message-ID: Come to think of it, if I remember correctly, it was Feddie Ronnie Rotunda who pulled the strings to get Fast Eddie Meese out here 30 years ago to speak in "honor" of the United States Constitution on its 200th anniversary celebration for the University of Illiniwaks that was being organized by the College of Law itself. Meese was Emblematic of the Law School then just as Killer Koh is Emblematic of the Law School today. Plus ca change....Reagan's Fast Eddie Meese had been found responsible by two Independent Counsels for Felonies, McKay in the Wedtech Scandal and Walsh in the Iran-Contra Scandal where Walsh found Meese to be the "architect" of the cover-up. I did everything humanly possible to stop that Meese tragedy of Justice by the College of Law Faculty. Feddie Ronnie was teaching CONNED Law to our law students then. When Feddie Ronnie left, the Faculty then deliberately hired Feddie Mazzone to take his place and teach CONNED law to our law students. And then Feddie Mazzone promptly invited out Killer Koh to speak as a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. It was Karl Marx who said: History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. Marx predicted the University of Illiniwaks College of Law and its Faculty. For they have now all become a Farce. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned-note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese in order "to honor" the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak "in honor" of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen's Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled "We The People." The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese's Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below-always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus "right" to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens-though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of-and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) ________________________________ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:57 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Mazzone who invited Killer Koh out here is a prominent member of the Federalist Society, hired by the COL Faculty to replace Ronnie "teaching" Conned Law when he left. Ergo, Blowjobs are far more important to the Feddies than War. The Feddies are just a Gang of Sick and Demented Blowjob Little Twits. Ditto for the COL Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:40 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:22 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2439 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27738 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 24 11:42:04 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 11:42:04 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! Message-ID: Come to think of it, if I remember correctly, it was Feddie Ronnie Rotunda who pulled the strings to get Fast Eddie Meese out here 30 years ago to speak in "honor" of the United States Constitution on its 200th anniversary celebration for the University of Illiniwaks that was being organized by the College of Law itself. Meese was Emblematic of the Law School then just as Killer Koh is Emblematic of the Law School today. Plus ca change....Reagan's Fast Eddie Meese had been found responsible by two Independent Counsels for Felonies, McKay in the Wedtech Scandal and Walsh in the Iran-Contra Scandal where Walsh found Meese to be the "architect" of the cover-up. I did everything humanly possible to stop that Meese tragedy of Justice by the College of Law Faculty. Feddie Ronnie was teaching CONNED Law to our law students then. When Feddie Ronnie left, the Faculty then deliberately hired Feddie Mazzone to take his place and teach CONNED law to our law students. And then Feddie Mazzone promptly invited out Killer Koh to speak as a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. It was Karl Marx who said: History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. Marx predicted the University of Illiniwaks College of Law and its Faculty. For they have now all become a Farce. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned-note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese in order "to honor" the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak "in honor" of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen's Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled "We The People." The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese's Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below-always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus "right" to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens-though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of-and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) ________________________________ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:57 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Mazzone who invited Killer Koh out here is a prominent member of the Federalist Society, hired by the COL Faculty to replace Ronnie "teaching" Conned Law when he left. Ergo, Blowjobs are far more important to the Feddies than War. The Feddies are just a Gang of Sick and Demented Blowjob Little Twits. Ditto for the COL Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:40 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:22 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2439 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27738 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 24 11:53:30 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 11:53:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And this Farcification of American Legal Education has now happened all over the country during the past 30+ Years. The Association of American Law Schools invited Killer Koh to give their "Keynote Address" at their Annual Convention-representing all their accredited American law schools and some Canadian Law Schools. The University of Illiniwaks College of Law is Emblematic of American Legal Education today. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:42 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! Come to think of it, if I remember correctly, it was Feddie Ronnie Rotunda who pulled the strings to get Fast Eddie Meese out here 30 years ago to speak in "honor" of the United States Constitution on its 200th anniversary celebration for the University of Illiniwaks that was being organized by the College of Law itself. Meese was Emblematic of the Law School then just as Killer Koh is Emblematic of the Law School today. Plus ca change....Reagan's Fast Eddie Meese had been found responsible by two Independent Counsels for Felonies, McKay in the Wedtech Scandal and Walsh in the Iran-Contra Scandal where Walsh found Meese to be the "architect" of the cover-up. I did everything humanly possible to stop that Meese tragedy of Justice by the College of Law Faculty. Feddie Ronnie was teaching CONNED Law to our law students then. When Feddie Ronnie left, the Faculty then deliberately hired Feddie Mazzone to take his place and teach CONNED law to our law students. And then Feddie Mazzone promptly invited out Killer Koh to speak as a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. It was Karl Marx who said: History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. Marx predicted the University of Illiniwaks College of Law and its Faculty. For they have now all become a Farce. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned-note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese in order "to honor" the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak "in honor" of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen's Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled "We The People." The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese's Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below-always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus "right" to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens-though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of-and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) ________________________________ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:57 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Mazzone who invited Killer Koh out here is a prominent member of the Federalist Society, hired by the COL Faculty to replace Ronnie "teaching" Conned Law when he left. Ergo, Blowjobs are far more important to the Feddies than War. The Feddies are just a Gang of Sick and Demented Blowjob Little Twits. Ditto for the COL Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:40 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:22 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2439 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27738 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 24 11:53:30 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 11:53:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And this Farcification of American Legal Education has now happened all over the country during the past 30+ Years. The Association of American Law Schools invited Killer Koh to give their "Keynote Address" at their Annual Convention-representing all their accredited American law schools and some Canadian Law Schools. The University of Illiniwaks College of Law is Emblematic of American Legal Education today. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:42 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! Come to think of it, if I remember correctly, it was Feddie Ronnie Rotunda who pulled the strings to get Fast Eddie Meese out here 30 years ago to speak in "honor" of the United States Constitution on its 200th anniversary celebration for the University of Illiniwaks that was being organized by the College of Law itself. Meese was Emblematic of the Law School then just as Killer Koh is Emblematic of the Law School today. Plus ca change....Reagan's Fast Eddie Meese had been found responsible by two Independent Counsels for Felonies, McKay in the Wedtech Scandal and Walsh in the Iran-Contra Scandal where Walsh found Meese to be the "architect" of the cover-up. I did everything humanly possible to stop that Meese tragedy of Justice by the College of Law Faculty. Feddie Ronnie was teaching CONNED Law to our law students then. When Feddie Ronnie left, the Faculty then deliberately hired Feddie Mazzone to take his place and teach CONNED law to our law students. And then Feddie Mazzone promptly invited out Killer Koh to speak as a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. It was Karl Marx who said: History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. Marx predicted the University of Illiniwaks College of Law and its Faculty. For they have now all become a Farce. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned-note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese in order "to honor" the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak "in honor" of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen's Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled "We The People." The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese's Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below-always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus "right" to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens-though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of-and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) ________________________________ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:57 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Mazzone who invited Killer Koh out here is a prominent member of the Federalist Society, hired by the COL Faculty to replace Ronnie "teaching" Conned Law when he left. Ergo, Blowjobs are far more important to the Feddies than War. The Feddies are just a Gang of Sick and Demented Blowjob Little Twits. Ditto for the COL Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:40 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:22 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2439 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27738 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 24 12:11:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 12:11:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! References: Message-ID: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (died October 28, 2016) We were all there to Official at the funeral. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:53 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! And this Farcification of American Legal Education has now happened all over the country during the past 30+ Years. The Association of American Law Schools invited Killer Koh to give their "Keynote Address" at their Annual Convention-representing all their accredited American law schools and some Canadian Law Schools. The University of Illiniwaks College of Law is Emblematic of American Legal Education today. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:42 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! Come to think of it, if I remember correctly, it was Feddie Ronnie Rotunda who pulled the strings to get Fast Eddie Meese out here 30 years ago to speak in "honor" of the United States Constitution on its 200th anniversary celebration for the University of Illiniwaks that was being organized by the College of Law itself. Meese was Emblematic of the Law School then just as Killer Koh is Emblematic of the Law School today. Plus ca change....Reagan's Fast Eddie Meese had been found responsible by two Independent Counsels for Felonies, McKay in the Wedtech Scandal and Walsh in the Iran-Contra Scandal where Walsh found Meese to be the "architect" of the cover-up. I did everything humanly possible to stop that Meese tragedy of Justice by the College of Law Faculty. Feddie Ronnie was teaching CONNED Law to our law students then. When Feddie Ronnie left, the Faculty then deliberately hired Feddie Mazzone to take his place and teach CONNED law to our law students. And then Feddie Mazzone promptly invited out Killer Koh to speak as a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. It was Karl Marx who said: History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. Marx predicted the University of Illiniwaks College of Law and its Faculty. For they have now all become a Farce. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned-note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese in order "to honor" the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak "in honor" of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen's Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled "We The People." The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese's Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below-always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus "right" to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens-though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of-and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) ________________________________ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:57 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Mazzone who invited Killer Koh out here is a prominent member of the Federalist Society, hired by the COL Faculty to replace Ronnie "teaching" Conned Law when he left. Ergo, Blowjobs are far more important to the Feddies than War. The Feddies are just a Gang of Sick and Demented Blowjob Little Twits. Ditto for the COL Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:40 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:22 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2439 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27738 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Mon Jul 24 12:11:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 12:11:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! References: Message-ID: RIP: University of Illinois College of Law (died October 28, 2016) We were all there to Official at the funeral. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:53 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Subject: RE: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! And this Farcification of American Legal Education has now happened all over the country during the past 30+ Years. The Association of American Law Schools invited Killer Koh to give their "Keynote Address" at their Annual Convention-representing all their accredited American law schools and some Canadian Law Schools. The University of Illiniwaks College of Law is Emblematic of American Legal Education today. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:42 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs but for Eddie Meese! Come to think of it, if I remember correctly, it was Feddie Ronnie Rotunda who pulled the strings to get Fast Eddie Meese out here 30 years ago to speak in "honor" of the United States Constitution on its 200th anniversary celebration for the University of Illiniwaks that was being organized by the College of Law itself. Meese was Emblematic of the Law School then just as Killer Koh is Emblematic of the Law School today. Plus ca change....Reagan's Fast Eddie Meese had been found responsible by two Independent Counsels for Felonies, McKay in the Wedtech Scandal and Walsh in the Iran-Contra Scandal where Walsh found Meese to be the "architect" of the cover-up. I did everything humanly possible to stop that Meese tragedy of Justice by the College of Law Faculty. Feddie Ronnie was teaching CONNED Law to our law students then. When Feddie Ronnie left, the Faculty then deliberately hired Feddie Mazzone to take his place and teach CONNED law to our law students. And then Feddie Mazzone promptly invited out Killer Koh to speak as a Role Model for Lawyers in Government Service. It was Karl Marx who said: History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. Marx predicted the University of Illiniwaks College of Law and its Faculty. For they have now all become a Farce. FAB Ed Norton Professor of Law The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned-note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese in order "to honor" the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak "in honor" of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen's Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled "We The People." The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese's Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below-always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus "right" to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens-though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of-and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) ________________________________ Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:57 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Mazzone who invited Killer Koh out here is a prominent member of the Federalist Society, hired by the COL Faculty to replace Ronnie "teaching" Conned Law when he left. Ergo, Blowjobs are far more important to the Feddies than War. The Feddies are just a Gang of Sick and Demented Blowjob Little Twits. Ditto for the COL Faculty. fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:40 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:22 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Subject: FW: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. 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Estabrook ; ewj Cc: peace-discuss ; prairiegreens Sent: Sun, Jul 23, 2017 10:59 pmSubject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] From Steven Salaita - A few thoughts on leavingacademe Tang became popular because it went up with the astronauts, but then lost favor when people realized that it looked like what came down with the astronauts.On Sun Jul 23 2017 22:50:46 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote:Tang went to the moon, I thought?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 23, 2017, at 10:39 PM, ewj wrote: 'Tis a precipitous journey, but the salts of the earth retain their tang-y-ness.On 2017-07-24 11:28 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: They said I was off-base, and I was thrown out.On Jul 23, 2017, at 10:25 PM, ewj wrote: Not when interacting with the base elements of the world .On 2017-07-24 11:06 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: Is that caused by excess acidity in one’s remarks?On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:37 PM, ewj wrote: Clearly a case of pH imbalance.On 2017-07-24 10:25 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: I told my parents I wanted a pony when I grew up and went to college.I think I spelt it wrong.On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:08 PM, ewj wrote: I think it is actually a rather non-authentic and borrowed, plagiarized sort of phony.  They just don't make phony any more like they used to.  Their phony is just a sort of paint, as if the look and feel was enough.  The smells of fake phony just fail to inspire like the real thing.When one comes into contact with the absolute infinite purity of real phony, one is forever transformed.  The feigned stuff can't seem to reach those depths.  On 2017-07-24 09:46 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: The UI, like much of the rest of the American academy, continues to plumb the murky depths of phoniness.Best to you & yours, CGEOn Jul 23, 2017, at 8:41 PM, ewj wrote:Thanks for sharing this, Carl. I enjoyed reading it (enjoyed it too much, perhaps) & likely would have not seen it otherwise.On 2017-07-23 01:35 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: [A complete victory for the academy, against its stated principles, but for the purposes of its masters, the US 1%. How many junior (or even senior) faculty members will dare risk exercising their putative academic freedom to comment on US/Israeli depredations in the Mideast? —CGE]***Next week, I will depart Beirut and return to the DC area. I’m grateful to the students and friends who made our time in Lebanon so rewarding. We’ll remember this period with great fondness. My son grew from a toddler into a little boy in Beirut. His first memories are registered at AUB.Despite applying to positions on four continents, I was unable to find an academic job, so I no longer count myself among the professoriate. A number of colleagues have attempted to recruit me, but their efforts always get shut down by management. In turn, I often feel like I’m reliving the UIUC fiasco, which isn’t conducive to the kind of mood I prefer to inhabit. I’m easygoing, but I refuse to tolerate the indignities of a blacklist.My immediate plan is to write and give talks. I’m still young and energetic. I don’t intend to slosh around in self-pity. Whatever I end up doing, I will maintain the spirit of noncompliance that defined my time in academe. If you take any lesson from my ouster, please don’t let it be fear or caution. Docility is a gift to those who profit from injustice. Academe can no longer afford this luxury.People still ask if I would go back in time and change anything. I would not. If my behavior were dishonorable, then I might have something to regret. I condemned a brutal ethnocratic state. On this count, I will die unapologetic. And insofar as we are forced to contemplate life in binaries, I prefer unemployment to subservience. My heart is with those who struggle for dignity amid terrible oppression. I spare no loyalty to a bourgeois industry that rewards self-importance and conformity.Despite every node of my disposition screaming at me not to say what I’m about to say, I again surrender to my lesser judgment: I leave academe feeling that, no matter my copious shortcomings, I managed to remain a decent human being. Zionists have worked overtime to incriminate me, but they’ve never found anything incriminating—not from a lack of diligence, but because there’s nothing to find but plainspoken disdain for settler colonization. I haven’t always been a good professor—I’m disorganized and forgetful and reclusive and unresponsive and an easy grader—but I’ve never compromised my ethics or sold out colleagues and students in order to ingratiate myself to power.Thank you for entertaining my self-indulgence. If my words sound incompatible with the demands of nuance and discretion that predominate in academic culture, then it’s because I’m no longer of the culture and thus unconstrained by its emphasis on disinterest and diplomacy. I can speak according to the whims of my conscience. This is what happens when you manage to survive a punishment. 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:18 PM To: 'sectns.aals at lists.aals.org' Subject: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs But For Eddie Meese & GITMO Torture! "I was down at Guantanamo a couple of times," he {Rotunda} said, stating that conditions there are not harsh. Champaign-Urbana News Gazette, 4/16/2015 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:28 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs But For Eddie Meese! Come to think of it, if I remember correctly, Ronnie Rotunda worked behind the scenes to get Fast Eddie Meese out here to speak in "honor" of the 200th Anniversary of the United States Constitution. As I told the media at the time, that would be like asking Attila The Hun to say a few words in honor of Virginity. Fab. The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned-note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese in order "to honor" the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak "in honor" of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen's Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled "We The People." The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese's Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below-always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus "right" to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens-though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of-and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:37 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:20 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) ________________________________ Site Links: View post online View mailing list online Start new thread via email Unsubscribe from this mailing list Manage your subscription This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Champaign-Urbana News Gazette, 4/16/2015 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 7:28 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs But For Eddie Meese! Come to think of it, if I remember correctly, Ronnie Rotunda worked behind the scenes to get Fast Eddie Meese out here to speak in "honor" of the 200th Anniversary of the United States Constitution. As I told the media at the time, that would be like asking Attila The Hun to say a few words in honor of Virginity. Fab. The Northwestern Law: Give him an offer he can't refuse! Monday, 12 March 2012 11:54 [http://mwcnews.net/images/comprofiler/tn582_4bb792b2294ad.jpg] By Francis Boyle Comments [Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese]Illinois Law: Boyle, a specialist in international law, said Meese should be allowed to speak, but not as the university's guest to honor the Constitution. Back in early 1987 the ex-Dean of the University of Illinois College of Law (we later got canned-note that Dean Rodriguez) publicly announced that the Keynote Speaker at our Campus Celebration of the 200th anniversary of the United States Constitution would be Reagan's Attorney General Edmund Meese in order "to honor" the Constitution. As I immediately told the news media at that time, this would be like asking Attila the Hun to speak "in honor" of Virginity. Meese repeatedly raped the Constitution for Reagan. So we immediately organized a Citizen's Protest right outside where Meese was speaking entitled "We The People." The University Administration threatened to shut us down. I drafted both Federal and State TROs to stop it, coordinated them with a US Federal Judge and a State Judge beforehand, and then informed the University General Counsel that we would seek immediate TROs to stop them from shutting us down. The University Police told us that if Meese's Secret Service (SS) entourage told them to shoot us, they would shoot us. We went on with our event anyway. The figure was a lot more than the 200 listed below-always an undercount by the MSM. The Street was overflowing with Protestors. And for speakers we brought in Representatives of all of the Poor, the Oppressed and the Downtrodden who had been persecuted by Reagan and Meese et al. That is Illinois Law for you! And what did the Northwestern Law Faculty do when it was announced several days beforehand that Holder was going to desecrate, defile and debase the Constitution and use their Law School as a Prop to do so by justifying the murder of United States Citizens? Zip. Zero. Nothing. Nada. Diddly-squat. The gutless wonders of the Northwestern Law Faculty stood by and watched Holder rape the Constitution and Northwestern Law School in their presence. They have no Guts and no Principles. Northwestern Law School died that day. And what is the difference between Holder/Obama and Meese/Reagan? Even Meese/Reagan never claimed any bogus "right" to murder U.S. Citizens for any reason, and to the best of my knowledge they did not murder U.S. Citizens-though they murdered a lot of foreigners. Whereas Holder/Obama have now murdered at least 3 U.S. Citizens that we are aware of-and counting. From the perspective of the US Constitution, Holder/Obama are far worse and more dangerous than Meese/Reagan. The Northwestern Law Faculty are no longer fit to educate Lawyers, Members of the Bar, and Officers of the Court. RIP: Northwestern Law School (died 2012) Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 2:37 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Both Blowjob Ronnie and Blowjob Ken are prominent members of the Blowjob Federalist Society. So this was really all about a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President by a Gang of Sick and Demented Feddie Blowjob Twits. Fab Fab Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:20 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: RE: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! And as we all know: Blowjob Ken Starr had no problem with the RAPE Culture on the Baylor football team when he was president there. Ergo, blowjobs are far more important to Blowjob Ken than RAPES. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 8:36 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: NYT: Ronnie Rotunda Against Blow Jobs! Yes, Ronnie used to "teach" here. I have not read the Memo he did for Ken Starr mentioned in today's NYT. But Ronnie helped Ken draft the Ken Starr "referral" to the US House of Representatives. I had to read through it all because I was giving interviews on impeaching Clinton. My reaction upon reading the Starr "referral" was simple: You had to be a Gang of Sick and Demented Little Twits to spend 2 years or so researching and writing a Pornographic Hit Job on a Sitting President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job. And Ronnie used to brag about it around here all the time. Look at me: I got the US House of Representatives to impeach the President over a Blow Job and Lying about a Blow Job! So if you want to waste your time reading Blowjob Ronnie's Memo that he did for Blowjob Ken, that is your business.Fab. Blow Jobs The House impeached Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blow job That is the standard for impeachment In the blowjob U.S. House of Representatives The Senate tried but did not convict Clinton For a blow job and lying about a blowjob In the blowjob U.S. Senate The House did not even impeach Bushie Junior For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House The House did not even impeach Obama For war and lying about war In the blowjob U.S. House Ergo Blowjobs Are more important than wars To our Blowjob Congress Just a gang of blowjobs Republicans and Democrats Tweedle-dumb versus Tweedle-greed All in it for the blowjob by Wall Street Always the best Congress money can buy Government of the blowjobs, by the blowjobs, and for the blowjobs Government of the warmongers, by the warmongers, and for the warmongers War is the ultimate blowjob! Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) ________________________________ Site Links: View post online View mailing list online Start new thread via email Unsubscribe from this mailing list Manage your subscription This email has been sent to: fboyle at illinois.edu This list is a forum for the exchange of points of view. Opinions expressed here are not necessarily those of the group associated with the list and do not necessarily represent the position of the Association of American Law Schools. Use of this email content is governed by the terms of service at: https://connect.aals.org/p/cm/ld/fid=280 ________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:28:15 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] From Steven Salaita - A few thoughts on leavingacademe In-Reply-To: <1500863848626.1smnotwkg1un2akrnbl3f04z@android.mail.163.com> References: <40CF69C5-6000-4269-B826-66BE0B239E50@illinois.edu> <7836545C-D9A4-40A1-A93B-D739B42F7E8A@illinois.edu> <78DE88EC-F271-449B-857A-FAB868A72329@illinois.edu> <9B3BDD44-731A-4672-B4B6-3A26F144BA54@illinois.edu> <6EA01ECF-FD55-4EED-9040-45A2A2D761B2@illinois.edu> <86694548-B73E-4398-88FE-B93E033141F5@illinois.edu> <103E5690-D789-4362-B5AA-926142CB27FA@illinois.edu> <1500860491188.bj1xm1l2mpkvgetowt3psafr@android.mail.163.com> <3FA07BD8-A720-4FF3-AD7D-EED506FF7365@illinois.edu> <1500862123700.qtqofhpxobfktegeidauwx5r@android.mail.163.com> <5F3898C0-7E56-4BC4-9A12-50D8085FE397@illinois.edu> <1500863848626.1smnotwkg1un2akrnbl3f04z@android.mail.163.com> Message-ID: <5E33A6F8-33DB-403C-A94C-45747A60F71A@illinois.edu> I realize now I missed ewj's sly cultural reference: "What goes up, must come down Spinning wheel got to go round Talkin' 'bout your troubles, it's a cryin' sin Ride a painted phony, let the spinning wheel spin..." —CGE > On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:37 PM, ewj wrote: > > Clearly a case of pH imbalance. > > > On 2017-07-24 10:25 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: > > I told my parents I wanted a pony when I grew up and went to college. > > I think I spelt it wrong. > > >> On Jul 23, 2017, at 9:08 PM, ewj > wrote: >> >> I think it is actually a rather non-authentic and borrowed, plagiarized sort of phony. They just don't make phony any more like they used to. >> >> Their phony is just a sort of paint, as if the look and feel was enough. The smells of fake phony just fail to inspire like the real thing. >> >> When one comes into contact with the absolute infinite purity of real phony, one is forever transformed. The feigned stuff can't seem to reach those depths. >> >> >> >> On 2017-07-24 09:46 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >> >> The UI, like much of the rest of the American academy, continues to plumb the murky depths of phoniness. >> >> Best to you & yours, CGE >> >> >>> On Jul 23, 2017, at 8:41 PM, ewj > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for sharing this, Carl. I enjoyed reading it (enjoyed it too much, perhaps) & likely would have not seen it otherwise. >>> >>> >>> On 2017-07-23 01:35 , Carl G. Estabrook Wrote: >>> >>> [A complete victory for the academy, against its stated principles, but for the purposes of its masters, the US 1%. How many junior (or even senior) faculty members will dare risk exercising their putative academic freedom to comment on US/Israeli depredations in the Mideast? —CGE] >>> >>> *** >>> Next week, I will depart Beirut and return to the DC area. I’m grateful to the students and friends who made our time in Lebanon so rewarding. We’ll remember this period with great fondness. My son grew from a toddler into a little boy in Beirut. His first memories are registered at AUB. >>> >>> Despite applying to positions on four continents, I was unable to find an academic job, so I no longer count myself among the professoriate. A number of colleagues have attempted to recruit me, but their efforts always get shut down by management. In turn, I often feel like I’m reliving the UIUC fiasco, which isn’t conducive to the kind of mood I prefer to inhabit. I’m easygoing, but I refuse to tolerate the indignities of a blacklist. >>> >>> My immediate plan is to write and give talks. I’m still young and energetic. I don’t intend to slosh around in self-pity. Whatever I end up doing, I will maintain the spirit of noncompliance that defined my time in academe. If you take any lesson from my ouster, please don’t let it be fear or caution. Docility is a gift to those who profit from injustice. Academe can no longer afford this luxury. >>> >>> People still ask if I would go back in time and change anything. I would not. If my behavior were dishonorable, then I might have something to regret. I condemned a brutal ethnocratic state. On this count, I will die unapologetic. And insofar as we are forced to contemplate life in binaries, I prefer unemployment to subservience. My heart is with those who struggle for dignity amid terrible oppression. I spare no loyalty to a bourgeois industry that rewards self-importance and conformity. >>> Despite every node of my disposition screaming at me not to say what I’m about to say, I again surrender to my lesser judgment: I leave academe feeling that, no matter my copious shortcomings, I managed to remain a decent human being. Zionists have worked overtime to incriminate me, but they’ve never found anything incriminating—not from a lack of diligence, but because there’s nothing to find but plainspoken disdain for settler colonization. I haven’t always been a good professor—I’m disorganized and forgetful and reclusive and unresponsive and an easy grader—but I’ve never compromised my ethics or sold out colleagues and students in order to ingratiate myself to power. >>> >>> Thank you for entertaining my self-indulgence. If my words sound incompatible with the demands of nuance and discretion that predominate in academic culture, then it’s because I’m no longer of the culture and thus unconstrained by its emphasis on disinterest and diplomacy. I can speak according to the whims of my conscience. This is what happens when you manage to survive a punishment. You become free. >>> >>> ### >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Prairiegreens mailing list >>> Prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net >>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/prairiegreens >>> http://www.prairienet.org/greens/ >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 11:38:38 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:38:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita In-Reply-To: References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> Message-ID: Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 11:38:38 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:38:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita In-Reply-To: References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> Message-ID: Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. 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URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 11:46:49 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:46:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:45 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707251055845224-world-court-against-usa-syria-presence/ WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - They gave their assessments after US Special Operations Command head Raymond Thomas told at a security forum last week that Russia can challenge legality of the US military presence in Syria. US ROLE IN SYRIA VIOLATES UN CHARTER "The United States military intervention into Syria without the permission of the Syrian government clearly violates the United Nations Charter and the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles," University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik on Monday. The intervention also violated US Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956) on The Law of Land Warfare, Boyle pointed out. Last week, US media reports stated that President Donald Trump had decided to end a four year CIA military training program costing half a billion dollars a year to train the military forces of Syrian opposition groups seeking to topple the Damascus government. These groups had been claimed to be moderate and secular but in reality they were dominated by violent, extremist Islamist groups, most notably the Nusra Front, the Syrian franchise of al-Qaeda. By contrast, the Russian military presence in Syria had been invited by the legal government and was in accord with the principles of international law, Boyle observed. "Russia is in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, which makes it lawful under international law," he said. Russia had the legal right to sue the United States under international law but this would not change anything in practice because based on previous such attempts, the US government would simply ignore any judgement against it, Boyle noted. "For Russia to sue the United States at the International Court of Justice over this would be a total waste of time," he said. When Nicaragua did the exact same thing against the Reagan administration, the US government violated the World Court's 1984 Temporary Restraining Order, Boyle recalled. On that occasion, the Reagan administration violated the World Court's Final Judgement on the Merits for Nicaragua and against the United States, Boyle stated. The US government also "vetoed Nicaragua's attempt to enforce the World Court's Judgement at the United Nations Security Council, and refused to pay Nicaragua even one Yankee Cent in damages," he continued. The same principles that led the World Court to find against the United States and in favour of Nicaragua in 1984 would also apply now if Syria or Russia sought to take legal action against the US intervention in Syria, Boyle explained. "If you read the World Court's 1986 Judgement in the Nicaragua Case, all you have to do is substitute Syria for Nicaragua and 'jihadis' for 'contras' to reach the exact same conclusions of gross illegality," he remarked. Both Russia and Syria would prevail against the United States at the International Court of Justice, Boyle concluded. From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 11:46:49 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:46:49 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] FW: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International Message-ID: Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:45 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707251055845224-world-court-against-usa-syria-presence/ WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - They gave their assessments after US Special Operations Command head Raymond Thomas told at a security forum last week that Russia can challenge legality of the US military presence in Syria. US ROLE IN SYRIA VIOLATES UN CHARTER "The United States military intervention into Syria without the permission of the Syrian government clearly violates the United Nations Charter and the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles," University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik on Monday. The intervention also violated US Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956) on The Law of Land Warfare, Boyle pointed out. Last week, US media reports stated that President Donald Trump had decided to end a four year CIA military training program costing half a billion dollars a year to train the military forces of Syrian opposition groups seeking to topple the Damascus government. These groups had been claimed to be moderate and secular but in reality they were dominated by violent, extremist Islamist groups, most notably the Nusra Front, the Syrian franchise of al-Qaeda. By contrast, the Russian military presence in Syria had been invited by the legal government and was in accord with the principles of international law, Boyle observed. "Russia is in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, which makes it lawful under international law," he said. Russia had the legal right to sue the United States under international law but this would not change anything in practice because based on previous such attempts, the US government would simply ignore any judgement against it, Boyle noted. "For Russia to sue the United States at the International Court of Justice over this would be a total waste of time," he said. When Nicaragua did the exact same thing against the Reagan administration, the US government violated the World Court's 1984 Temporary Restraining Order, Boyle recalled. On that occasion, the Reagan administration violated the World Court's Final Judgement on the Merits for Nicaragua and against the United States, Boyle stated. The US government also "vetoed Nicaragua's attempt to enforce the World Court's Judgement at the United Nations Security Council, and refused to pay Nicaragua even one Yankee Cent in damages," he continued. The same principles that led the World Court to find against the United States and in favour of Nicaragua in 1984 would also apply now if Syria or Russia sought to take legal action against the US intervention in Syria, Boyle explained. "If you read the World Court's 1986 Judgement in the Nicaragua Case, all you have to do is substitute Syria for Nicaragua and 'jihadis' for 'contras' to reach the exact same conclusions of gross illegality," he remarked. Both Russia and Syria would prevail against the United States at the International Court of Justice, Boyle concluded. From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 11:54:58 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 06:54:58 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita In-Reply-To: References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> Message-ID: <8E222C4B-1413-41E9-9D31-1800180BFB64@illinois.edu> [The poets often get there first.] “...I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return. Exiled Thucydides knew All that a speech can say About Democracy, And what dictators do, The elderly rubbish they talk To an apathetic grave; Analysed all in his book, The enlightenment driven away, The habit-forming pain, Mismanagement and grief: We must suffer them all again. ...But who can live for long In an euphoric dream; Out of the mirror they stare, Imperialism's face And the international wrong. ...Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night Who have never been happy or good. ...And helpless governors wake To resume their compulsory game: Who can release them now, Who can reach the deaf, Who can speak for the dumb?" > On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:38 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM > To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita > > Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com > Subject: Google Alert - Salaita > > > Salaita > As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 > NEWS > Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's Leaving Academe > The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) > Steven G. Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... > From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 11:54:58 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 06:54:58 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita In-Reply-To: References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> Message-ID: <8E222C4B-1413-41E9-9D31-1800180BFB64@illinois.edu> [The poets often get there first.] “...I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return. Exiled Thucydides knew All that a speech can say About Democracy, And what dictators do, The elderly rubbish they talk To an apathetic grave; Analysed all in his book, The enlightenment driven away, The habit-forming pain, Mismanagement and grief: We must suffer them all again. ...But who can live for long In an euphoric dream; Out of the mirror they stare, Imperialism's face And the international wrong. ...Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night Who have never been happy or good. ...And helpless governors wake To resume their compulsory game: Who can release them now, Who can reach the deaf, Who can speak for the dumb?" > On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:38 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM > To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita > > Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com > Subject: Google Alert - Salaita > > > Salaita > As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 > NEWS > Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's Leaving Academe > The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) > Steven G. Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... > From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 11:57:05 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 06:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <673DF084-22BF-421C-835A-1E705D4B50F4@illinois.edu> This seems important. > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:45 AM > To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International > > https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707251055845224-world-court-against-usa-syria-presence/ > WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - They gave their assessments after US Special Operations Command head Raymond Thomas told at a security forum last week that Russia can challenge legality of the US military presence in Syria. > > US ROLE IN SYRIA VIOLATES UN CHARTER > > "The United States military intervention into Syria without the permission of the Syrian government clearly violates the United Nations Charter and the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles," University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik on Monday. > > The intervention also violated US Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956) on The Law of Land Warfare, Boyle pointed out. > > Last week, US media reports stated that President Donald Trump had decided to end a four year CIA military training program costing half a billion dollars a year to train the military forces of Syrian opposition groups seeking to topple the Damascus government. > > These groups had been claimed to be moderate and secular but in reality they were dominated by violent, extremist Islamist groups, most notably the Nusra Front, the Syrian franchise of al-Qaeda. > > By contrast, the Russian military presence in Syria had been invited by the legal government and was in accord with the principles of international law, Boyle observed. > > "Russia is in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, which makes it lawful under international law," he said. > > Russia had the legal right to sue the United States under international law but this would not change anything in practice because based on previous such attempts, the US government would simply ignore any judgement against it, Boyle noted. > > "For Russia to sue the United States at the International Court of Justice over this would be a total waste of time," he said. > > When Nicaragua did the exact same thing against the Reagan administration, the US government violated the World Court's 1984 Temporary Restraining Order, Boyle recalled. > > On that occasion, the Reagan administration violated the World Court's Final Judgement on the Merits for Nicaragua and against the United States, Boyle stated. > > The US government also "vetoed Nicaragua's attempt to enforce the World Court's Judgement at the United Nations Security Council, and refused to pay Nicaragua even one Yankee Cent in damages," he continued. > > The same principles that led the World Court to find against the United States and in favour of Nicaragua in 1984 would also apply now if Syria or Russia sought to take legal action against the US intervention in Syria, Boyle explained. > > "If you read the World Court's 1986 Judgement in the Nicaragua Case, all you have to do is substitute Syria for Nicaragua and 'jihadis' for 'contras' to reach the exact same conclusions of gross illegality," he remarked. > > Both Russia and Syria would prevail against the United States at the International Court of Justice, Boyle concluded. From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 11:57:05 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 06:57:05 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <673DF084-22BF-421C-835A-1E705D4B50F4@illinois.edu> This seems important. > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:45 AM > To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International > > https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707251055845224-world-court-against-usa-syria-presence/ > WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - They gave their assessments after US Special Operations Command head Raymond Thomas told at a security forum last week that Russia can challenge legality of the US military presence in Syria. > > US ROLE IN SYRIA VIOLATES UN CHARTER > > "The United States military intervention into Syria without the permission of the Syrian government clearly violates the United Nations Charter and the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles," University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik on Monday. > > The intervention also violated US Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956) on The Law of Land Warfare, Boyle pointed out. > > Last week, US media reports stated that President Donald Trump had decided to end a four year CIA military training program costing half a billion dollars a year to train the military forces of Syrian opposition groups seeking to topple the Damascus government. > > These groups had been claimed to be moderate and secular but in reality they were dominated by violent, extremist Islamist groups, most notably the Nusra Front, the Syrian franchise of al-Qaeda. > > By contrast, the Russian military presence in Syria had been invited by the legal government and was in accord with the principles of international law, Boyle observed. > > "Russia is in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, which makes it lawful under international law," he said. > > Russia had the legal right to sue the United States under international law but this would not change anything in practice because based on previous such attempts, the US government would simply ignore any judgement against it, Boyle noted. > > "For Russia to sue the United States at the International Court of Justice over this would be a total waste of time," he said. > > When Nicaragua did the exact same thing against the Reagan administration, the US government violated the World Court's 1984 Temporary Restraining Order, Boyle recalled. > > On that occasion, the Reagan administration violated the World Court's Final Judgement on the Merits for Nicaragua and against the United States, Boyle stated. > > The US government also "vetoed Nicaragua's attempt to enforce the World Court's Judgement at the United Nations Security Council, and refused to pay Nicaragua even one Yankee Cent in damages," he continued. > > The same principles that led the World Court to find against the United States and in favour of Nicaragua in 1984 would also apply now if Syria or Russia sought to take legal action against the US intervention in Syria, Boyle explained. > > "If you read the World Court's 1986 Judgement in the Nicaragua Case, all you have to do is substitute Syria for Nicaragua and 'jihadis' for 'contras' to reach the exact same conclusions of gross illegality," he remarked. > > Both Russia and Syria would prevail against the United States at the International Court of Justice, Boyle concluded. From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 11:58:34 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:58:34 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita In-Reply-To: <8E222C4B-1413-41E9-9D31-1800180BFB64@illinois.edu> References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> <8E222C4B-1413-41E9-9D31-1800180BFB64@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Is that by you Carl? Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:55 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien ; Wise, Phyllis M Subject: Re: Google Alert - Salaita [The poets often get there first.] “...I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return. Exiled Thucydides knew All that a speech can say About Democracy, And what dictators do, The elderly rubbish they talk To an apathetic grave; Analysed all in his book, The enlightenment driven away, The habit-forming pain, Mismanagement and grief: We must suffer them all again. ...But who can live for long In an euphoric dream; Out of the mirror they stare, Imperialism's face And the international wrong. ...Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night Who have never been happy or good. ...And helpless governors wake To resume their compulsory game: Who can release them now, Who can reach the deaf, Who can speak for the dumb?" > On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:38 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM > To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' > ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' > ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' > ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; > Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' > ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' > ; > 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' > ; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene > Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' > ; 'Karen Aram' ; > 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' > ; 'Lina Thorne' ; > 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' > ; 'David Johnson' > ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; > Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita > > Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com > Subject: Google Alert - Salaita > > > Salaita > As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 > NEWS > Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's > Leaving Academe The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) Steven G. > Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 11:58:34 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:58:34 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita In-Reply-To: <8E222C4B-1413-41E9-9D31-1800180BFB64@illinois.edu> References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> <8E222C4B-1413-41E9-9D31-1800180BFB64@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Is that by you Carl? Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:55 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien ; Wise, Phyllis M Subject: Re: Google Alert - Salaita [The poets often get there first.] “...I and the public know What all schoolchildren learn, Those to whom evil is done Do evil in return. Exiled Thucydides knew All that a speech can say About Democracy, And what dictators do, The elderly rubbish they talk To an apathetic grave; Analysed all in his book, The enlightenment driven away, The habit-forming pain, Mismanagement and grief: We must suffer them all again. ...But who can live for long In an euphoric dream; Out of the mirror they stare, Imperialism's face And the international wrong. ...Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night Who have never been happy or good. ...And helpless governors wake To resume their compulsory game: Who can release them now, Who can reach the deaf, Who can speak for the dumb?" > On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:38 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM > To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' > ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' > ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' > ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; > Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' > ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' > ; > 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' > ; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene > Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' > ; 'Karen Aram' ; > 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' > ; 'Lina Thorne' ; > 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' > ; 'David Johnson' > ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; > Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita > > Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM > To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com > Subject: Google Alert - Salaita > > > Salaita > As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 > NEWS > Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's > Leaving Academe The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) Steven G. > Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 12:01:01 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:01:01 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International In-Reply-To: <673DF084-22BF-421C-835A-1E705D4B50F4@illinois.edu> References: <673DF084-22BF-421C-835A-1E705D4B50F4@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Thanks. Yeah, it's all in the Nicaragua case. I have also briefly commented on Syria in the Conclusion of my book Destroying Libya and World Order since Obama/Clinton were behind both Atrocities. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International This seems important. > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:45 AM > To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military > Presence in Syria - Sputnik International > > https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707251055845224-world-court-agains > t-usa-syria-presence/ WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - They gave their > assessments after US Special Operations Command head Raymond Thomas told at a security forum last week that Russia can challenge legality of the US military presence in Syria. > > US ROLE IN SYRIA VIOLATES UN CHARTER > > "The United States military intervention into Syria without the permission of the Syrian government clearly violates the United Nations Charter and the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles," University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik on Monday. > > The intervention also violated US Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956) on The Law of Land Warfare, Boyle pointed out. > > Last week, US media reports stated that President Donald Trump had decided to end a four year CIA military training program costing half a billion dollars a year to train the military forces of Syrian opposition groups seeking to topple the Damascus government. > > These groups had been claimed to be moderate and secular but in reality they were dominated by violent, extremist Islamist groups, most notably the Nusra Front, the Syrian franchise of al-Qaeda. > > By contrast, the Russian military presence in Syria had been invited by the legal government and was in accord with the principles of international law, Boyle observed. > > "Russia is in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, which makes it lawful under international law," he said. > > Russia had the legal right to sue the United States under international law but this would not change anything in practice because based on previous such attempts, the US government would simply ignore any judgement against it, Boyle noted. > > "For Russia to sue the United States at the International Court of Justice over this would be a total waste of time," he said. > > When Nicaragua did the exact same thing against the Reagan administration, the US government violated the World Court's 1984 Temporary Restraining Order, Boyle recalled. > > On that occasion, the Reagan administration violated the World Court's Final Judgement on the Merits for Nicaragua and against the United States, Boyle stated. > > The US government also "vetoed Nicaragua's attempt to enforce the World Court's Judgement at the United Nations Security Council, and refused to pay Nicaragua even one Yankee Cent in damages," he continued. > > The same principles that led the World Court to find against the United States and in favour of Nicaragua in 1984 would also apply now if Syria or Russia sought to take legal action against the US intervention in Syria, Boyle explained. > > "If you read the World Court's 1986 Judgement in the Nicaragua Case, all you have to do is substitute Syria for Nicaragua and 'jihadis' for 'contras' to reach the exact same conclusions of gross illegality," he remarked. > > Both Russia and Syria would prevail against the United States at the International Court of Justice, Boyle concluded. From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 12:01:01 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:01:01 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International In-Reply-To: <673DF084-22BF-421C-835A-1E705D4B50F4@illinois.edu> References: <673DF084-22BF-421C-835A-1E705D4B50F4@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Thanks. Yeah, it's all in the Nicaragua case. I have also briefly commented on Syria in the Conclusion of my book Destroying Libya and World Order since Obama/Clinton were behind both Atrocities. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International This seems important. > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:45 AM > To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military > Presence in Syria - Sputnik International > > https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707251055845224-world-court-agains > t-usa-syria-presence/ WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - They gave their > assessments after US Special Operations Command head Raymond Thomas told at a security forum last week that Russia can challenge legality of the US military presence in Syria. > > US ROLE IN SYRIA VIOLATES UN CHARTER > > "The United States military intervention into Syria without the permission of the Syrian government clearly violates the United Nations Charter and the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles," University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik on Monday. > > The intervention also violated US Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956) on The Law of Land Warfare, Boyle pointed out. > > Last week, US media reports stated that President Donald Trump had decided to end a four year CIA military training program costing half a billion dollars a year to train the military forces of Syrian opposition groups seeking to topple the Damascus government. > > These groups had been claimed to be moderate and secular but in reality they were dominated by violent, extremist Islamist groups, most notably the Nusra Front, the Syrian franchise of al-Qaeda. > > By contrast, the Russian military presence in Syria had been invited by the legal government and was in accord with the principles of international law, Boyle observed. > > "Russia is in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, which makes it lawful under international law," he said. > > Russia had the legal right to sue the United States under international law but this would not change anything in practice because based on previous such attempts, the US government would simply ignore any judgement against it, Boyle noted. > > "For Russia to sue the United States at the International Court of Justice over this would be a total waste of time," he said. > > When Nicaragua did the exact same thing against the Reagan administration, the US government violated the World Court's 1984 Temporary Restraining Order, Boyle recalled. > > On that occasion, the Reagan administration violated the World Court's Final Judgement on the Merits for Nicaragua and against the United States, Boyle stated. > > The US government also "vetoed Nicaragua's attempt to enforce the World Court's Judgement at the United Nations Security Council, and refused to pay Nicaragua even one Yankee Cent in damages," he continued. > > The same principles that led the World Court to find against the United States and in favour of Nicaragua in 1984 would also apply now if Syria or Russia sought to take legal action against the US intervention in Syria, Boyle explained. > > "If you read the World Court's 1986 Judgement in the Nicaragua Case, all you have to do is substitute Syria for Nicaragua and 'jihadis' for 'contras' to reach the exact same conclusions of gross illegality," he remarked. > > Both Russia and Syria would prevail against the United States at the International Court of Justice, Boyle concluded. From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 12:03:12 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:03:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International In-Reply-To: References: <673DF084-22BF-421C-835A-1E705D4B50F4@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And needless to say, back in the 1980s+ Belden and I did everything humanly possible to stop Reagan/KillerKoh's Atrocities against Nicaragua. Killer Koh was Reagan's John Yoo, later studying with Killer Koh at Yale Law School. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:01 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International Thanks. Yeah, it's all in the Nicaragua case. I have also briefly commented on Syria in the Conclusion of my book Destroying Libya and World Order since Obama/Clinton were behind both Atrocities. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International This seems important. > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:45 AM > To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military > Presence in Syria - Sputnik International > > https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707251055845224-world-court-agains > t-usa-syria-presence/ WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - They gave their > assessments after US Special Operations Command head Raymond Thomas told at a security forum last week that Russia can challenge legality of the US military presence in Syria. > > US ROLE IN SYRIA VIOLATES UN CHARTER > > "The United States military intervention into Syria without the permission of the Syrian government clearly violates the United Nations Charter and the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles," University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik on Monday. > > The intervention also violated US Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956) on The Law of Land Warfare, Boyle pointed out. > > Last week, US media reports stated that President Donald Trump had decided to end a four year CIA military training program costing half a billion dollars a year to train the military forces of Syrian opposition groups seeking to topple the Damascus government. > > These groups had been claimed to be moderate and secular but in reality they were dominated by violent, extremist Islamist groups, most notably the Nusra Front, the Syrian franchise of al-Qaeda. > > By contrast, the Russian military presence in Syria had been invited by the legal government and was in accord with the principles of international law, Boyle observed. > > "Russia is in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, which makes it lawful under international law," he said. > > Russia had the legal right to sue the United States under international law but this would not change anything in practice because based on previous such attempts, the US government would simply ignore any judgement against it, Boyle noted. > > "For Russia to sue the United States at the International Court of Justice over this would be a total waste of time," he said. > > When Nicaragua did the exact same thing against the Reagan administration, the US government violated the World Court's 1984 Temporary Restraining Order, Boyle recalled. > > On that occasion, the Reagan administration violated the World Court's Final Judgement on the Merits for Nicaragua and against the United States, Boyle stated. > > The US government also "vetoed Nicaragua's attempt to enforce the World Court's Judgement at the United Nations Security Council, and refused to pay Nicaragua even one Yankee Cent in damages," he continued. > > The same principles that led the World Court to find against the United States and in favour of Nicaragua in 1984 would also apply now if Syria or Russia sought to take legal action against the US intervention in Syria, Boyle explained. > > "If you read the World Court's 1986 Judgement in the Nicaragua Case, all you have to do is substitute Syria for Nicaragua and 'jihadis' for 'contras' to reach the exact same conclusions of gross illegality," he remarked. > > Both Russia and Syria would prevail against the United States at the International Court of Justice, Boyle concluded. From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 12:03:12 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:03:12 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International In-Reply-To: References: <673DF084-22BF-421C-835A-1E705D4B50F4@illinois.edu> Message-ID: And needless to say, back in the 1980s+ Belden and I did everything humanly possible to stop Reagan/KillerKoh's Atrocities against Nicaragua. Killer Koh was Reagan's John Yoo, later studying with Killer Koh at Yale Law School. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:01 AM To: Estabrook, Carl G Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: RE: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International Thanks. Yeah, it's all in the Nicaragua case. I have also briefly commented on Syria in the Conclusion of my book Destroying Libya and World Order since Obama/Clinton were behind both Atrocities. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:57 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Re: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria - Sputnik International This seems important. > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:45 AM > To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org > Subject: World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military > Presence in Syria - Sputnik International > > https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707251055845224-world-court-agains > t-usa-syria-presence/ WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - They gave their > assessments after US Special Operations Command head Raymond Thomas told at a security forum last week that Russia can challenge legality of the US military presence in Syria. > > US ROLE IN SYRIA VIOLATES UN CHARTER > > "The United States military intervention into Syria without the permission of the Syrian government clearly violates the United Nations Charter and the Nuremberg Charter, Judgement and Principles," University of Illinois Professor of International Law Francis Boyle told Sputnik on Monday. > > The intervention also violated US Army Field Manual 27-10 (1956) on The Law of Land Warfare, Boyle pointed out. > > Last week, US media reports stated that President Donald Trump had decided to end a four year CIA military training program costing half a billion dollars a year to train the military forces of Syrian opposition groups seeking to topple the Damascus government. > > These groups had been claimed to be moderate and secular but in reality they were dominated by violent, extremist Islamist groups, most notably the Nusra Front, the Syrian franchise of al-Qaeda. > > By contrast, the Russian military presence in Syria had been invited by the legal government and was in accord with the principles of international law, Boyle observed. > > "Russia is in Syria at the request of the Syrian government, which makes it lawful under international law," he said. > > Russia had the legal right to sue the United States under international law but this would not change anything in practice because based on previous such attempts, the US government would simply ignore any judgement against it, Boyle noted. > > "For Russia to sue the United States at the International Court of Justice over this would be a total waste of time," he said. > > When Nicaragua did the exact same thing against the Reagan administration, the US government violated the World Court's 1984 Temporary Restraining Order, Boyle recalled. > > On that occasion, the Reagan administration violated the World Court's Final Judgement on the Merits for Nicaragua and against the United States, Boyle stated. > > The US government also "vetoed Nicaragua's attempt to enforce the World Court's Judgement at the United Nations Security Council, and refused to pay Nicaragua even one Yankee Cent in damages," he continued. > > The same principles that led the World Court to find against the United States and in favour of Nicaragua in 1984 would also apply now if Syria or Russia sought to take legal action against the US intervention in Syria, Boyle explained. > > "If you read the World Court's 1986 Judgement in the Nicaragua Case, all you have to do is substitute Syria for Nicaragua and 'jihadis' for 'contras' to reach the exact same conclusions of gross illegality," he remarked. > > Both Russia and Syria would prevail against the United States at the International Court of Justice, Boyle concluded. From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 12:18:42 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 07:18:42 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita In-Reply-To: References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> <8E222C4B-1413-41E9-9D31-1800180BFB64@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <9C1282D1-EFFC-4004-9FEB-281139E1B4CD@illinois.edu> Auden’s 'September 1, 1939’ - poetic prescience… > On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Is that by you Carl? > Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:55 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien ; Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: Re: Google Alert - Salaita > > [The poets often get there first.] > > “...I and the public know > What all schoolchildren learn, > Those to whom evil is done > Do evil in return. > > Exiled Thucydides knew > All that a speech can say > About Democracy, > And what dictators do, > The elderly rubbish they talk > To an apathetic grave; > Analysed all in his book, > The enlightenment driven away, > The habit-forming pain, > Mismanagement and grief: > We must suffer them all again. > > ...But who can live for long > In an euphoric dream; > Out of the mirror they stare, > Imperialism's face > And the international wrong. > > ...Lest we should see where we are, > Lost in a haunted wood, > Children afraid of the night > Who have never been happy or good. > > ...And helpless governors wake > To resume their compulsory game: > Who can release them now, > Who can reach the deaf, > Who can speak for the dumb?" > >> On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:38 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM >> To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >> ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >> ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >> ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; >> Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' >> ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >> ; >> 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >> ; Miller, Joseph Thomas >> ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene >> Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' >> ; 'Karen Aram' ; >> 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >> ; 'Lina Thorne' ; >> 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' >> ; 'David Johnson' >> ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; >> Estabrook, Carl G >> Cc: Wise, Phyllis M >> Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita >> >> Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] >> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM >> To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com >> Subject: Google Alert - Salaita >> >> >> Salaita >> As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 >> NEWS >> Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's >> Leaving Academe The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) Steven G. >> Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... >> > From galliher at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 12:18:42 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 07:18:42 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita In-Reply-To: References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> <8E222C4B-1413-41E9-9D31-1800180BFB64@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <9C1282D1-EFFC-4004-9FEB-281139E1B4CD@illinois.edu> Auden’s 'September 1, 1939’ - poetic prescience… > On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Is that by you Carl? > Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:55 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien ; Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: Re: Google Alert - Salaita > > [The poets often get there first.] > > “...I and the public know > What all schoolchildren learn, > Those to whom evil is done > Do evil in return. > > Exiled Thucydides knew > All that a speech can say > About Democracy, > And what dictators do, > The elderly rubbish they talk > To an apathetic grave; > Analysed all in his book, > The enlightenment driven away, > The habit-forming pain, > Mismanagement and grief: > We must suffer them all again. > > ...But who can live for long > In an euphoric dream; > Out of the mirror they stare, > Imperialism's face > And the international wrong. > > ...Lest we should see where we are, > Lost in a haunted wood, > Children afraid of the night > Who have never been happy or good. > > ...And helpless governors wake > To resume their compulsory game: > Who can release them now, > Who can reach the deaf, > Who can speak for the dumb?" > >> On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:38 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM >> To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >> ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >> ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >> ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; >> Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' >> ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >> ; >> 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >> ; Miller, Joseph Thomas >> ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene >> Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' >> ; 'Karen Aram' ; >> 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >> ; 'Lina Thorne' ; >> 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' >> ; 'David Johnson' >> ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; >> Estabrook, Carl G >> Cc: Wise, Phyllis M >> Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita >> >> Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] >> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM >> To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com >> Subject: Google Alert - Salaita >> >> >> Salaita >> As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 >> NEWS >> Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's >> Leaving Academe The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) Steven G. >> Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 12:29:06 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:29:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita In-Reply-To: <9C1282D1-EFFC-4004-9FEB-281139E1B4CD@illinois.edu> References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> <8E222C4B-1413-41E9-9D31-1800180BFB64@illinois.edu> <9C1282D1-EFFC-4004-9FEB-281139E1B4CD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Ah, yes. Thanks. Last time I read it was right after September 11, 2001 along with Orwell's 1984 and Hannah Arendt's Origins of Totalitarianism. Figured they would all be relevant to the United States. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:19 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien ; Wise, Phyllis M Subject: Re: Google Alert - Salaita Auden’s 'September 1, 1939’ - poetic prescience… > On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Is that by you Carl? > Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:55 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien ; > Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: Re: Google Alert - Salaita > > [The poets often get there first.] > > “...I and the public know > What all schoolchildren learn, > Those to whom evil is done > Do evil in return. > > Exiled Thucydides knew > All that a speech can say > About Democracy, > And what dictators do, > The elderly rubbish they talk > To an apathetic grave; > Analysed all in his book, > The enlightenment driven away, > The habit-forming pain, > Mismanagement and grief: > We must suffer them all again. > > ...But who can live for long > In an euphoric dream; > Out of the mirror they stare, > Imperialism's face > And the international wrong. > > ...Lest we should see where we are, > Lost in a haunted wood, > Children afraid of the night > Who have never been happy or good. > > ...And helpless governors wake > To resume their compulsory game: > Who can release them now, > Who can reach the deaf, > Who can speak for the dumb?" > >> On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:38 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM >> To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >> ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >> ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >> ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; >> Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' >> ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >> ; >> 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >> ; Miller, Joseph Thomas >> ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene >> Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' >> ; 'Karen Aram' ; >> 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >> ; 'Lina Thorne' ; >> 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' >> ; 'David Johnson' >> ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; >> Estabrook, Carl G >> Cc: Wise, Phyllis M >> Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita >> >> Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] >> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM >> To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com >> Subject: Google Alert - Salaita >> >> >> Salaita >> As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 >> NEWS >> Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's >> Leaving Academe The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) Steven G. >> Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 12:29:06 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:29:06 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita In-Reply-To: <9C1282D1-EFFC-4004-9FEB-281139E1B4CD@illinois.edu> References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> <8E222C4B-1413-41E9-9D31-1800180BFB64@illinois.edu> <9C1282D1-EFFC-4004-9FEB-281139E1B4CD@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Ah, yes. Thanks. Last time I read it was right after September 11, 2001 along with Orwell's 1984 and Hannah Arendt's Origins of Totalitarianism. Figured they would all be relevant to the United States. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) -----Original Message----- From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:19 AM To: Boyle, Francis A Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J ; Joe Lauria ; Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene Hickory ; David Swanson ; Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson ; Mildred O'brien ; Wise, Phyllis M Subject: Re: Google Alert - Salaita Auden’s 'September 1, 1939’ - poetic prescience… > On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Is that by you Carl? > Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:55 AM > To: Boyle, Francis A > Cc: David Green ; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; > peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK > ; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J > ; Joe Lauria ; > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; > peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Miller, Joseph Thomas > ; Szoke, Ron ; Arlene > Hickory ; David Swanson ; > Karen Aram ; abass10 at gmail.com; > mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne ; > chicago at worldcantwait.net; Jay ; David Johnson > ; Mildred O'brien ; > Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: Re: Google Alert - Salaita > > [The poets often get there first.] > > “...I and the public know > What all schoolchildren learn, > Those to whom evil is done > Do evil in return. > > Exiled Thucydides knew > All that a speech can say > About Democracy, > And what dictators do, > The elderly rubbish they talk > To an apathetic grave; > Analysed all in his book, > The enlightenment driven away, > The habit-forming pain, > Mismanagement and grief: > We must suffer them all again. > > ...But who can live for long > In an euphoric dream; > Out of the mirror they stare, > Imperialism's face > And the international wrong. > > ...Lest we should see where we are, > Lost in a haunted wood, > Children afraid of the night > Who have never been happy or good. > > ...And helpless governors wake > To resume their compulsory game: > Who can release them now, > Who can reach the deaf, > Who can speak for the dumb?" > >> On Jul 25, 2017, at 6:38 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM >> To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >> ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >> ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >> ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; >> Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' >> ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >> ; >> 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >> ; Miller, Joseph Thomas >> ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene >> Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' >> ; 'Karen Aram' ; >> 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >> ; 'Lina Thorne' ; >> 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' >> ; 'David Johnson' >> ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; >> Estabrook, Carl G >> Cc: Wise, Phyllis M >> Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita >> >> Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] >> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM >> To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com >> Subject: Google Alert - Salaita >> >> >> Salaita >> As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 >> NEWS >> Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's >> Leaving Academe The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) Steven G. >> Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... >> > From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 12:53:43 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:53:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> Message-ID: Ok well, the Salaita story is on the front page of the News Gazette. Ever since I entered higher education in 1968, Zionists have been mean, nasty, vicious, ruthless and unprincipled people who will stop at nothing to get their way no matter how base and vile such as firing Salaita and ethnically cleansing American Indians off of this campus. Ditto for their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:39 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: Google Alert - Salaita Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com Subject: Google Alert - Salaita [Google] Salaita As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 NEWS Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's Leaving Academe The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) Steven G. Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... [Google Plus] [Facebook] [Twitter] Flag as irrelevant You have received this email because you have subscribed to Google Alerts. [RSS]Receive this alert as RSS feed Send Feedback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 12:53:43 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 12:53:43 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> Message-ID: Ok well, the Salaita story is on the front page of the News Gazette. Ever since I entered higher education in 1968, Zionists have been mean, nasty, vicious, ruthless and unprincipled people who will stop at nothing to get their way no matter how base and vile such as firing Salaita and ethnically cleansing American Indians off of this campus. Ditto for their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:39 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: Google Alert - Salaita Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com Subject: Google Alert - Salaita [Google] Salaita As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 NEWS Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's Leaving Academe The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) Steven G. Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... [Google Plus] [Facebook] [Twitter] Flag as irrelevant You have received this email because you have subscribed to Google Alerts. [RSS]Receive this alert as RSS feed Send Feedback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 13:22:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:22:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> Message-ID: Well you are all probably wondering how I got tenure at the Zionized University of Illiniwaks. Leading the charge against me was (1) a Zionist law professor; (2) who was on the Committee; and (3) friends with the Dean. Fab. End of The Paper Chase Knowing full well what I intended to do In order to survive the Jungle of the Academic World I cut a deal to go up for tenure here At the start of my third year Decision to be on a Wednesday Mid-October 1980 Just to be sure On the Monday before Had a little chat with my Dean I just spoke with my Tax Partner in Boston They would love to have me back So if my Tenure is denied or delayed on Wednesday I will be on the next plane back to Boston on Thursday And you can have all your students back to teach I got it! They have regretted it ever since Tant pis! I was 30 End of The Paper Chase for me Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:54 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: Google Alert - Salaita Ok well, the Salaita story is on the front page of the News Gazette. Ever since I entered higher education in 1968, Zionists have been mean, nasty, vicious, ruthless and unprincipled people who will stop at nothing to get their way no matter how base and vile such as firing Salaita and ethnically cleansing American Indians off of this campus. Ditto for their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: Google Alert - Salaita Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com Subject: Google Alert - Salaita [Google] Salaita As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 NEWS Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's Leaving Academe The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) Steven G. Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... [Google Plus] [Facebook] [Twitter] Flag as irrelevant You have received this email because you have subscribed to Google Alerts. [RSS]Receive this alert as RSS feed Send Feedback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Tue Jul 25 13:22:50 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:22:50 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google Alert - Salaita References: <94eb2c0542aea3888e05551aa51c@google.com> Message-ID: Well you are all probably wondering how I got tenure at the Zionized University of Illiniwaks. Leading the charge against me was (1) a Zionist law professor; (2) who was on the Committee; and (3) friends with the Dean. Fab. End of The Paper Chase Knowing full well what I intended to do In order to survive the Jungle of the Academic World I cut a deal to go up for tenure here At the start of my third year Decision to be on a Wednesday Mid-October 1980 Just to be sure On the Monday before Had a little chat with my Dean I just spoke with my Tax Partner in Boston They would love to have me back So if my Tenure is denied or delayed on Wednesday I will be on the next plane back to Boston on Thursday And you can have all your students back to teach I got it! They have regretted it ever since Tant pis! I was 30 End of The Paper Chase for me Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 7:54 AM To: 'David Green' ; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' ; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' ; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' ; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' ; Hoffman, Valerie J ; 'Joe Lauria' ; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' ; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' ; Miller, Joseph Thomas ; Szoke, Ron ; 'Arlene Hickory' ; 'David Swanson' ; 'Karen Aram' ; 'abass10 at gmail.com' ; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' ; 'Lina Thorne' ; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' ; 'Jay' ; 'David Johnson' ; 'Mildred O'brien' ; Estabrook, Carl G Cc: Wise, Phyllis M Subject: RE: Google Alert - Salaita Ok well, the Salaita story is on the front page of the News Gazette. Ever since I entered higher education in 1968, Zionists have been mean, nasty, vicious, ruthless and unprincipled people who will stop at nothing to get their way no matter how base and vile such as firing Salaita and ethnically cleansing American Indians off of this campus. Ditto for their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!}. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 6:39 AM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: RE: Google Alert - Salaita Salaita wrote a book entitled “Israel’s Dead Soul.” With all due respect to Salaita, Israel never had a “soul” to begin with. Israel is a Ghoul that was conceived with the Blood and the Bodies and the Bones and the Tears of the Palestinians. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:06 PM To: 'David Green' >; 'sherwoodross10 at gmail.com' >; 'peace-discuss at anti-war.net' >; 'C. G. ESTABROOK' >; 'a-fields at uiuc.edu' >; Hoffman, Valerie J >; 'Joe Lauria' >; 'Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net' >; 'peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net' >; Miller, Joseph Thomas >; Szoke, Ron >; 'Arlene Hickory' >; 'David Swanson' >; 'Karen Aram' >; 'abass10 at gmail.com' >; 'mickalideh at gmail.com' >; 'Lina Thorne' >; 'chicago at worldcantwait.net' >; 'Jay' >; 'David Johnson' >; 'Mildred O'brien' >; Estabrook, Carl G > Cc: Wise, Phyllis M > Subject: FW: Google Alert - Salaita Way to go Wise {sic!} and C-U/Campus Zionists. Destroyed Salaita’s Academic Career and Ethnically Cleansed Native Americans off of this campus. I am sure you are ALL quite happy and pleased with yourselves. Zionists and Their Fellow Travelers like Wise {sic!} are a Fifth Column for Israel wherever they live. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Google Alerts [mailto:googlealerts-noreply at google.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:57 PM To: Francis.A.Boyle at gmail.com Subject: Google Alert - Salaita [Google] Salaita As-it-happens update ⋅ July 25, 2017 NEWS Steven Salaita, Whose Revoked Job Offer Inflamed Higher Ed, Says He's Leaving Academe The Chronicle of Higher Education (blog) Steven G. Salaita, the long-embattled professor known for a rescinded job offer and an ensuing fracas at the University of Illinois at ... [Google Plus] [Facebook] [Twitter] Flag as irrelevant You have received this email because you have subscribed to Google Alerts. [RSS]Receive this alert as RSS feed Send Feedback -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 14:54:33 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 14:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Israel's Dead Soul References: <1881810145.532202.1500994473040.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1881810145.532202.1500994473040@mail.yahoo.com> An excerpt from my summary of Salaita's book on Mondoweiss: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/scholarship-dismissal-university/ Steven Salaita’s Israel’s Dead Soul (2011) merits serious attention and ultimately effusive praise. It contains five critical essays that not only offer brilliant insight into the cultural and ideological practices of Zionism in both Israel and the United States, but implicitly explain why his conscientious efforts would be denigrated and rejected by the ostensibly liberal aspects of this culture at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign. Israel’s “dead soul” is not Salaita’s own accusation or conclusion; it is his way of framing the blatant and gruesome ironies entailed by Jewish Israelis’ own obsessions, and laying bare their pretentions to moral purity and political righteousness. He concludes the introduction with two points central to the book’s argument: "First, discussion of the state of Israel’s soul has been common for so long that it constitutes a relevant political and moral discourse of its own, one that illuminates numerous important features of Zionist identity and strategy. Those who chatter about Israel’s declining soul long ago killed it by agonizing it to death. However, in doing so they have brought other matters to life, most notably a commitment to protecting Israel from recognition of its inherent iniquities, which I endeavor to contextualize here. Second, I am working form the belief that Israel’s soul died at the moment of its invention. I do not believe that states have souls, metaphysically or metaphorically. There is no soul of Palestine, of Iraq, of Papua New Guinea, of Canada, or of any other geopolitical entity with a central government and an economic apparatus. (p. 10) At the modern corporate university, and especially at public neoliberal high-tech research universities like UIUC, multiculturalism and diversity constitute the official ideology of identity (as opposed to class) politics; civility and respect, as they have been evoked by administrators and trustees in the Salaita affair, constitute its bureaucratic and disciplinary practices." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 25 19:57:10 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 19:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Neoliberalism References: <331187106.818949.1501012630741.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <331187106.818949.1501012630741@mail.yahoo.com> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot So pervasive has neoliberalism become that we seldom even recognise it as an ideology. We appear to accept the proposition that this utopian, millenarian faith describes a neutral force; a kind of biological law, like Darwin’s theory of evolution. But the philosophy arose as a conscious attempt to reshape human life and shift the locus of power. Neoliberalism sees competition as the defining characteristic of human relations. It redefines citizens as consumers, whose democratic choices are best exercised by buying and selling, a process that rewards merit and punishes inefficiency. It maintains that “the market” delivers benefits that could never be achieved by planning. Attempts to limit competition are treated as inimical to liberty. Tax and regulation should be minimised, public services should be privatised. The organisation of labour and collective bargaining by trade unions are portrayed as market distortions that impede the formation of a natural hierarchy of winners and losers. Inequality is recast as virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive. The market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve. The term neoliberalism was coined at a meeting in Paris in 1938. Among the delegates were two men who came to define the ideology, Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek. Both exiles from Austria, they saw social democracy, exemplified by Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and the gradual development of Britain’s welfare state, as manifestations of a collectivism that occupied the same spectrum as nazism and communism. In The Road to Serfdom, published in 1944, Hayek argued that government planning, by crushing individualism, would lead inexorably to totalitarian control. Like Mises’s book Bureaucracy, The Road to Serfdom was widely read. It came to the attention of some very wealthy people, who saw in the philosophy an opportunity to free themselves from regulation and tax. When, in 1947, Hayek founded the first organisation that would spread the doctrine of neoliberalism – the Mont Pelerin Society – it was supported financially by millionaires and their foundations.  With their help, he began to create what Daniel Stedman Jones describes in Masters of the Universe as “a kind of neoliberal international”: a transatlantic network of academics, businessmen, journalists and activists. The movement’s rich backers funded a series of thinktanks which would refine and promote the ideology. Among them were the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, the Institute of Economic Affairs, the Centre for Policy Studies and the Adam Smith Institute. They also financed academic positions and departments, particularly at the universities of Chicago and Virginia. 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Years ago BSA was hijacked by a Gang of Right-Wing Fundamentalist Christians and moved down to Texas with all the Yahoos and Rednecks down there where it belongs.. Its current President is Secretary of War/CIA Gates. QED. Trump fits right in with the DOW/CIA/BSA today. Fab Eagle Scout Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Michael Fox [mailto:moveon-help at list.moveon.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:45 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Add your name: Boy Scouts of America We the undersigned ask the Boy Scouts of America to release a statement recognizing that it will stay true to its spirit as a national organization. Dear MoveOn member, During his address to the 2017 National Scouting Jamboree, President Trump delivered a highly politicized and divisive speech that is against the patriotic spirit of the Boy Scouts of America.1 Will you join me in demanding that the Boy Scouts of America stand by its values and honor by denouncing Trump's jamboree speech that pandered explicitly partisan rhetoric? We the undersigned ask the Boy Scouts of America to release a statement recognizing that it will stay true to its spirit as a national organization where efforts are made for all to feel welcome and that the explicitly partisan rhetoric of Donald Trump's speech, such as encouraging "boo's" of his predecessor, was wrong. Sign Michael's petition I am a proud Eagle Scout who was an active Scout for twelve years, from Tiger Scouting through Cub Scouting and into Boy Scouting. As someone with different political values than the current president, I found his remarks at the Jamboree to be alienating and the use of the Boy Scouts as a prop by him to be dispiriting. Click here to add your name to this petition, and then pass it along to your friends. Thanks! —Michael Fox Source: 1. "Donald Trump's political jamboree," CNN, July 25, 2017 http://act.moveon.org/go/11452?t=17&akid=186851%2E7815108%2E7mZliX You're receiving this petition because we thought it might interest you. It was created on MoveOn.org, where anyone can start their own online petitions. You can start your own petition here. [https://act.moveon.org/o.gif?akid=186851.7815108.7mZliX] Want to support our work? The MoveOn community will work every moment, day by day and year by year, to resist Trump's agenda, contain the damage, defeat hate with love, and begin the process of swinging the nation's pendulum back toward sanity, decency, and the kind of future that we must never give up on. 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Trump fits right in with the DOW/CIA/BSA today. Fab Eagle Scout Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Michael Fox [mailto:moveon-help at list.moveon.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:45 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Add your name: Boy Scouts of America We the undersigned ask the Boy Scouts of America to release a statement recognizing that it will stay true to its spirit as a national organization. Dear MoveOn member, During his address to the 2017 National Scouting Jamboree, President Trump delivered a highly politicized and divisive speech that is against the patriotic spirit of the Boy Scouts of America.1 Will you join me in demanding that the Boy Scouts of America stand by its values and honor by denouncing Trump's jamboree speech that pandered explicitly partisan rhetoric? We the undersigned ask the Boy Scouts of America to release a statement recognizing that it will stay true to its spirit as a national organization where efforts are made for all to feel welcome and that the explicitly partisan rhetoric of Donald Trump's speech, such as encouraging "boo's" of his predecessor, was wrong. Sign Michael's petition I am a proud Eagle Scout who was an active Scout for twelve years, from Tiger Scouting through Cub Scouting and into Boy Scouting. As someone with different political values than the current president, I found his remarks at the Jamboree to be alienating and the use of the Boy Scouts as a prop by him to be dispiriting. Click here to add your name to this petition, and then pass it along to your friends. Thanks! —Michael Fox Source: 1. "Donald Trump's political jamboree," CNN, July 25, 2017 http://act.moveon.org/go/11452?t=17&akid=186851%2E7815108%2E7mZliX You're receiving this petition because we thought it might interest you. 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jul 26 01:28:15 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 01:28:15 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria Message-ID: Not just good news, but great news…….. Shared from sputniknews.com World Court Likely to Rule Against Legality of US Military Presence in Syria https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201707251055845224-world-court-against-usa-syria-presence/ From divisek at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 01:56:57 2017 From: divisek at yahoo.com (Dianna Visek) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 01:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Are America's Wars Just and Moral? References: <927243443.979337.1501034217760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <927243443.979337.1501034217760@mail.yahoo.com> Patrick J. Buchanan is on our side.  See: Are America's Wars Just and Moral? | | | | Are America's Wars Just and Moral? Rasmussen Reports "One knowledgeable official estimates that the CIA-backed fighters may have killed or wounded 100,000 Syrian sol... | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jul 26 06:31:41 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 01:31:41 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Are America's Wars Just and Moral? In-Reply-To: <927243443.979337.1501034217760@mail.yahoo.com> References: <927243443.979337.1501034217760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <927243443.979337.1501034217760@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: [A searing article.] The result of the western-engendered carnage in Syria was horrendous: at least 475,000 dead, 5 million Syrian refugees driven into exile in neighboring states (Turkey alone hosts three million), and another 6 million internally displaced. … 11 million Syrians … driven from their homes into wretched living conditions and near famine. Two of Syria’s greatest and oldest cities, Damascus and Aleppo, have been pounded into ruins. Jihadist massacres and Russian and American air strikes have ravaged once beautiful, relatively prosperous Syria. Its ancient Christian peoples are fleeing for their lives before US and Saudi takfiri religious fanatics. Realizing the futility of U.S. policy, President Trump is cutting aid to the rebels. And the War Party is beside itself. Says The Wall Street Journal: “The only way to reach an acceptable diplomatic solution is if Iran and Russia feel they are paying too high a price for their Syria sojourn. This means more support for Mr. Assad’s enemies, not cutting them off without notice. And it means building up a Middle East coalition willing to fight Islamic State and resist Iran. The U.S. should also consider enforcing ‘safe zones’ in Syria for anti-Assad forces.” ...No matter how objectionable we found these dictators, what vital interests of ours were so imperiled by the continued rule of Saddam, Assad, Gadhafi and the Houthis that they would justify what we have done to the peoples of those countries? ...Among the principles for a just war, it must be waged as a last resort, to address a wrong suffered, and by a legitimate authority. Deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target. The wars in Syria, Libya and Yemen were never authorized by Congress. The civilian dead, wounded and uprooted in Syria, and the malnourished millions in Yemen, represent a moral cost that seems far beyond any proportional moral gain from those conflicts. In which of the countries we have attacked or invaded in this century — Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen — are the people better off than they were before we came? And we wonder why they hate us… > On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Dianna Visek via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Patrick J. Buchanan is on our side. See: > > Are America's Wars Just and Moral? > > Are America's Wars Just and Moral? > Rasmussen Reports > "One knowledgeable official estimates that the CIA-backed fighters may have killed or wounded 100,000 Syrian sol... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Wed Jul 26 11:52:17 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:52:17 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] New sanctions on Russia, Iran and N. Korea Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » US Congress overwhelmingly passes sanctions bill targeting Russia 26 July 2017 The US House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a bill on Tuesday that places new sanctions on Russia, Iran and North Korea, and limits the Trump administration’s ability to overturn them. The vote was 419–3 on a measure that will significantly increase geopolitical conflicts between the United States and its major rivals—not only Russia, but also the imperialist powers in Europe. The bill will now move to the Senate, where an earlier version (without the North Korea sanctions) was approved by a similar margin, 97–2, in June. Trump has given mixed signals about whether he will sign the bill, but the veto-proof majorities in both houses of Congress mean that it is almost certain to be adopted into law. The new sanctions expose the essential issues behind the “election hacking” campaign of the US media and political establishment, spearheaded by the intelligence agencies that are opposed to any shift away from the anti-Russia policy developed under the Obama administration. The near-unanimous vote in both houses of Congress (all “no” votes in the House were from Republicans) testifies to the degree to which the CIA, NSA and other spy agencies directly control the institutions of the state and the personnel that compose them. The real issues at stake in the bitter internecine conflict within the ruling class were spelled out in a Washington Post editorial Monday (“Congress’s drastic—but necessary—rebuke to Trump”). The Post, which along with the New York Times has been a leading media voice in the anti-Russia campaign, hailed the bill as necessary to protect the “vital interests” of the US. The sanctions agreement, the Post wrote, placed “Trump’s policy toward the regime of Vladimir Putin in receivership, preventing him from lifting sanctions without congressional agreement.” Trump has displayed an “inexplicable affinity” toward Russia, the newspaper wrote, and has cast doubt on Russia’s intervention in the US election campaign. “For the US intelligence community,” the Post asserted, “there is no such doubt… Mr. Trump’s refusal to accept those conclusions, and the possibility that he might reverse sanctions imposed on Russia for that interference and for its military invasion of Ukraine, has generated an extraordinary consensus in an otherwise polarized Congress.” None of the allegations made by the Post about Russia’s involvement in the election can be proven, and the declarations of the “US intelligence community” are no more believable than the claims that the government of Saddam Hussein possessed “weapons of mass destruction” prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Even if one were to accept the conclusions as true, there is no doubt that Clinton was working with all manner of governments to advance her election campaign. The real issue is not Russian “hacking,” but the geostrategic interests of American imperialism. As the Post makes clear, its main concern is that Russia has obstructed the operations of US intelligence agencies and the military in Ukraine and Syria. The reference to the “military invasion of Ukraine” refers to Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the internal civil war that followed the 2014 regime-change operation organized by the US, and spearheaded by fascistic organizations, to unseat a pro-Russian government. The editorial later complains that Trump’s actions are handing Russia “major concessions for nothing,” including “the withdrawal of US support for rebel forces in Syria.” This refers to Trump’s decision to end CIA support for Syrian opposition forces, dominated by Al Qaeda, who have been waging a US-backed civil war to unseat Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The editorial acknowledges that the sanctions bill “could have some unintended consequences,” including on “US-European coordination on Russia.” It is “nevertheless essential” because “Trump cannot be trusted to protect vital US interests against persistent Russian aggression.” What are these “vital US interests”? They do not involve the Trump administration’s assault on health care, its brutal assault on immigrant workers, or its militarist agenda. Rather they refer to the interests of the ruling class in dominating the Middle East and its vast energy resources and expanding US power in Eastern Europe. For the factions of the ruling class for which the Post speaks, moreover, US aggression against Russia is seen as essential for keeping the European powers in line and for taking on China. The new bill will be adopted under conditions of explosive geopolitical tensions that can very rapidly escalate into a direct military conflict involving nuclear-armed powers. Within just the past 24 hours, the US fired warning shots at an Iranian vessel; the Chinese military intercepted a US aircraft; the Wall Street Journal reported on preparations by China for a US war against North Korea; and China staged joint military operations with Russia in the Baltic Sea. The various countries affected by the bill will take it as a clear sign that the US intends to sharply pursue its economic and military confrontation with them. A leaked European Union memo reported the statements from European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker that the EU “should stand ready to act within days” of the bill’s passage, and that the sanctions “could impact a potentially large number of European companies doing legitimate business under EU measures with Russian entities.” The Trump administration, increasingly embattled and isolated, could decide that the best way to resolve its internal crisis is to start a war—perhaps with Iran or North Korea. And if Trump’s opponents are successful in forcing a change in his policy or in removing him, it will mean a shift toward an even more aggressive policy in the Middle East and, above all, against Russia. However bitter the divisions within the state, the American ruling class is driven by a relentless logic. The dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 brought with it not an “end of history,” but a quarter century of unending and expanding war, in which the ruling class has sought to reverse the decline of American capitalism and maintain its global economic position through the use of military force. This mad and reckless policy is now bringing the entire world to the brink of a Third World War. Joseph Kishore wows.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <927243443.979337.1501034217760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <927243443.979337.1501034217760@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: western engendered carnage - the West created ISIS - the West just was supposed to let Assad to slaughter innocents - the only thing stupid that the West did is not insist that Assad must go and set up an interim caretaker government until full and free elections with an educated electorate can take place - On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > [A searing article.] > > The result of the western-engendered carnage in Syria was horrendous: at > least 475,000 dead, 5 million Syrian refugees driven into exile > in neighboring states (Turkey alone hosts three million), and another > 6 million internally displaced. … 11 million Syrians … driven from > their homes into wretched living conditions and near famine. > > Two of Syria’s greatest and oldest cities, Damascus and Aleppo, have > been pounded into ruins. Jihadist massacres and Russian and American air > strikes have ravaged once beautiful, relatively prosperous Syria. Its > ancient Christian peoples are fleeing for their lives before US and > Saudi takfiri religious fanatics. > > Realizing the futility of U.S. policy, President Trump is cutting aid to > the rebels. And the War Party is beside itself. Says The Wall > Street Journal: > > “The only way to reach an acceptable diplomatic solution is if Iran and > Russia feel they are paying too high a price for their Syria sojourn. This > means more support for Mr. Assad’s enemies, not cutting them off without > notice. And it means building up a Middle East coalition willing to fight > Islamic State and resist Iran. The U.S. should also consider enforcing > ‘safe zones’ in Syria for anti-Assad forces.” > > ...No matter how objectionable we found these dictators, what vital > interests of ours were so imperiled by the continued rule of Saddam, Assad, > Gadhafi and the Houthis that they would justify what we have done to the > peoples of those countries? > > ...Among the principles for a just war, it must be waged as a last resort, > to address a wrong suffered, and by a legitimate authority. Deaths of > civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a > deliberate attack on a military target. > > The wars in Syria, Libya and Yemen were never authorized by Congress. The > civilian dead, wounded and uprooted in Syria, and the malnourished millions > in Yemen, represent a moral cost that seems far beyond any proportional > moral gain from those conflicts. > > In which of the countries we have attacked or invaded in this century — > Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen — are the people better off than > they were before we came? > > And we wonder why they hate us… > > > On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Dianna Visek via Peace-discuss < > peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > Patrick J. Buchanan is on our side. See: > > Are America's Wars Just and Moral? > > > Are America's Wars Just and Moral? > > Rasmussen Reports > "One knowledgeable official estimates that the CIA-backed fighters may > have killed or wounded 100,000 Syrian sol... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 26 14:56:15 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] Letter to the editor submitted References: <573813381.1551936.1501080975552.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <573813381.1551936.1501080975552@mail.yahoo.com> As recent events in illegally Israeli-occupied Palestine increasethe likelihood of another full-scale armed confrontation (albeit with only oneside actually having weapons), we can look forward to predictable responses fromthe usual suspects. First, the mainstream American media will dutifully comply withthe Jewish Israeli narrative that traces the current intensification to the mostrecent Palestinian who attacked or murdered Israelis, rather than the decades-longdepredations of illegal Jewish settlers who, on a regular basis and with the supportof the Israeli military and society, attack Palestinians (including children),confiscate Palestinian land, and burn the crops and olive trees of Palestinianswhose land they have yet to confiscate. Thus, seven decades of Zionist aggression will be reduced tono more than seven days of Palestinian anti-Semitic perfidy, which some mightmistake for resistance. Second, the President and Congress will unanimously reaffirmsupport for Israel, and propose contributing even more than $4 billion annualdonation to Israel (and the U.S. weapons industry), in case the occupying army shouldrun short of high-tech weapons and ammunition with which to murder defenselessPalestinian civilians. Meanwhile, Congress will succeed in its current efforts tocriminalize the (non-violent) Boycott Divestment Sanctions movement, withunanimous support from Illinois politicians at all levels, given that our own statelegislature has provided a model for such repression. Finally, at the local level, Jewish institutions will callfor donations in Israel’s “time of need,” while Cary Nelson and Jim Dey blamecontinued violence on Steven Salaita’s “angry tweets.” -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Wed Jul 26 14:55:44 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:55:44 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Are America's Wars Just and Moral? In-Reply-To: References: <927243443.979337.1501034217760.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <927243443.979337.1501034217760@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The world is "just supposed to let the US slaughter innocents”? Who should "set up an interim caretaker government [in the US] until full and free elections with an educated electorate can take place” - in the country that’s “the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today”? The UN? A "Eurasian coalition” of the EU, Russia, and China? —CGE > On Jul 26, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Roger Helbig wrote: > > western engendered carnage - the West created ISIS - the West just was supposed to let Assad to slaughter innocents - the only thing stupid that the West did is not insist that Assad must go and set up an interim caretaker government until full and free elections with an educated electorate can take place - > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:31 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: > [A searing article.] > > The result of the western-engendered carnage in Syria was horrendous: at least 475,000 dead, 5 million Syrian refugees driven into exile in neighboring states (Turkey alone hosts three million), and another 6 million internally displaced. … 11 million Syrians … driven from their homes into wretched living conditions and near famine. > > Two of Syria’s greatest and oldest cities, Damascus and Aleppo, have been pounded into ruins. Jihadist massacres and Russian and American air strikes have ravaged once beautiful, relatively prosperous Syria. Its ancient Christian peoples are fleeing for their lives before US and Saudi takfiri religious fanatics. > > Realizing the futility of U.S. policy, President Trump is cutting aid to the rebels. And the War Party is beside itself. Says The Wall Street Journal: > > “The only way to reach an acceptable diplomatic solution is if Iran and Russia feel they are paying too high a price for their Syria sojourn. This means more support for Mr. Assad’s enemies, not cutting them off without notice. And it means building up a Middle East coalition willing to fight Islamic State and resist Iran. The U.S. should also consider enforcing ‘safe zones’ in Syria for anti-Assad forces.” > > ...No matter how objectionable we found these dictators, what vital interests of ours were so imperiled by the continued rule of Saddam, Assad, Gadhafi and the Houthis that they would justify what we have done to the peoples of those countries? > > ...Among the principles for a just war, it must be waged as a last resort, to address a wrong suffered, and by a legitimate authority. Deaths of civilians are justified only if they are unavoidable victims of a deliberate attack on a military target. > > The wars in Syria, Libya and Yemen were never authorized by Congress. The civilian dead, wounded and uprooted in Syria, and the malnourished millions in Yemen, represent a moral cost that seems far beyond any proportional moral gain from those conflicts. > > In which of the countries we have attacked or invaded in this century — Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen — are the people better off than they were before we came? > > And we wonder why they hate us… > > >> On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Dianna Visek via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> Patrick J. Buchanan is on our side. See: >> >> Are America's Wars Just and Moral? >> >> Are America's Wars Just and Moral? >> Rasmussen Reports >> "One knowledgeable official estimates that the CIA-backed fighters may have killed or wounded 100,000 Syrian sol... >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace-discuss mailing list >> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naiman at justforeignpolicy.org Wed Jul 26 15:24:03 2017 From: naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (Robert Naiman) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 10:24:03 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Sanctions vote in House In-Reply-To: <2105520916.1470172.1501076892644@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2105520916.1470172.1501076892644.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2105520916.1470172.1501076892644@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is who Duncan is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Duncan_(U.S._politician) [...] Duncan voted against authorizing the War in Iraq based on opposition to what he believed to be an unnecessary foreign involvement. He also opposed and voted against a June 2006 House declaration in support of the war.[4] He was one of the most conservative Republicans to do so.[5] Duncan later remarked that the Iraq War vote had been a tough one for me. I have a very conservative Republican district. My Uncle Joe is one of the most respected judges in Tennessee: when I get in a really serious bind I go to him for advice. I had breakfast with him and my two closest friends and all three told me that I had to vote for the war. It’s the only time in my life that I’ve ever gone against my Uncle Joe’s advice. When I pushed that button to vote against the war back in 2002, I thought I might be ending my political career.[2] Duncan was among only six Republicans to vote against funding for the Iraq War on May 24, 2007.[6] Duncan voted, along with three other Republicans, to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq by April 2008 on July 12, 2007.[7] On March 10, 2010, Duncan again joined three other Republicans in voting for the removal of troops from Afghanistan.[8] Duncan and Ron Paul were the only members of Congress to vote for the removal of troops from Afghanistan and against all recent bailout and stimulus bills.[9] He has even criticized neoconservatism and supports a non-interventionist foreign policy.[10] Duncan is a member of the Liberty Caucus (sometimes called the Liberty Committee), a group of libertarian-minded congressional Republicans. [11] [...] [...] Duncan is a frequent contributor to *Chronicles * and *The American Conservative ,* both magazines associated with the paleoconservative movement. He has also contributed to numerous trade publications and Capitol Hill newspapers. [...] *This is the kind of Republican the peace/anti-war movement needs more of in Congress from "red" districts. This district will never elect a Democrat. But it can elect a Duncan. * Duncan was also one of 40 Republicans who voted last year for our amendment to prohibit the transfer of cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/obama-heeding-close-house_b_10516480.html Right now we're trying to get Duncan to co-sponsor Nolan's amendment to ratify and clap hands on Trump's cancellation of the CIA's reindeer games in Syria. #129 -- Version 1 Nolan (MN) Democrat *Late *Prohibits funds appropriated or otherwise made available by this Act to be used to transfer or authorize the transfer of weapons to any entity in Syria that is fighting the Syrian Government. Submitted https://rules.house.gov/bill/115/hr-3219 http://www.rules.house.gov/amendments/NOLAN_058_xml724171151475147.pdf Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org naiman at justforeignpolicy.org (202) 448-2898 x1 Force Roll Calls on Davidson-Nolan Bars to U.S. Role in Saudi War in Yemen https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/force-roll-calls-on-davidson?r_by=1135580 On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 8:48 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss < peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll413.xml > > The 3 who voted no, all Republicans, were Amash, Duncan, Massie. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 7:14 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - MSNBC on Jeff Sessions:Add your name: Boy Scouts of America US Senator in Defense of Jeff Sessions: “Jeff Sessions is an Eagle Scout!” Well at least we have one thing in common. Fab Eagle Scout Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:07 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - LOL!: Add your name: Boy Scouts of America LOL! Years ago BSA was hijacked by a Gang of Right-Wing Fundamentalist Christians and moved down to Texas with all the Yahoos and Rednecks down there where it belongs.. Its current President is Secretary of War/CIA Gates. QED. Trump fits right in with the DOW/CIA/BSA today. Fab Eagle Scout Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Michael Fox [mailto:moveon-help at list.moveon.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:45 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Add your name: Boy Scouts of America We the undersigned ask the Boy Scouts of America to release a statement recognizing that it will stay true to its spirit as a national organization. Dear MoveOn member, During his address to the 2017 National Scouting Jamboree, President Trump delivered a highly politicized and divisive speech that is against the patriotic spirit of the Boy Scouts of America.1 Will you join me in demanding that the Boy Scouts of America stand by its values and honor by denouncing Trump's jamboree speech that pandered explicitly partisan rhetoric? We the undersigned ask the Boy Scouts of America to release a statement recognizing that it will stay true to its spirit as a national organization where efforts are made for all to feel welcome and that the explicitly partisan rhetoric of Donald Trump's speech, such as encouraging "boo's" of his predecessor, was wrong. Sign Michael's petition I am a proud Eagle Scout who was an active Scout for twelve years, from Tiger Scouting through Cub Scouting and into Boy Scouting. As someone with different political values than the current president, I found his remarks at the Jamboree to be alienating and the use of the Boy Scouts as a prop by him to be dispiriting. Click here to add your name to this petition, and then pass it along to your friends. Thanks! —Michael Fox Source: 1. "Donald Trump's political jamboree," CNN, July 25, 2017 http://act.moveon.org/go/11452?t=17&akid=186851%2E7815108%2E7mZliX You're receiving this petition because we thought it might interest you. 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Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 1:03 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: BS from BSA:Add your name: Boy Scouts of America From WSJ:…BSA said it is “wholly non-partisan and does not promote any one political position, candidate or philosophy.” Oh sure! That is why the right-reactionary fundamentalist Christian Rednecks and Yahoos down in Texas Headquarters picked Secretary of War and CIA Chief Bob Gates as their President for two years. Trump fits in perfectly with the politics and philosophy of BSA/CIA/Pentagon. Fab Eagle Scout. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 7:14 AM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - MSNBC on Jeff Sessions:Add your name: Boy Scouts of America US Senator in Defense of Jeff Sessions: “Jeff Sessions is an Eagle Scout!” Well at least we have one thing in common. Fab Eagle Scout Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A [mailto:support at lists.aals.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 3:07 PM To: sectns.aals at lists.aals.org Subject: [SECTNS.aals] - LOL!: Add your name: Boy Scouts of America LOL! Years ago BSA was hijacked by a Gang of Right-Wing Fundamentalist Christians and moved down to Texas with all the Yahoos and Rednecks down there where it belongs.. Its current President is Secretary of War/CIA Gates. QED. Trump fits right in with the DOW/CIA/BSA today. Fab Eagle Scout Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign, IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Michael Fox [mailto:moveon-help at list.moveon.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 2:45 PM To: Boyle, Francis A > Subject: Add your name: Boy Scouts of America We the undersigned ask the Boy Scouts of America to release a statement recognizing that it will stay true to its spirit as a national organization. Dear MoveOn member, During his address to the 2017 National Scouting Jamboree, President Trump delivered a highly politicized and divisive speech that is against the patriotic spirit of the Boy Scouts of America.1 Will you join me in demanding that the Boy Scouts of America stand by its values and honor by denouncing Trump's jamboree speech that pandered explicitly partisan rhetoric? We the undersigned ask the Boy Scouts of America to release a statement recognizing that it will stay true to its spirit as a national organization where efforts are made for all to feel welcome and that the explicitly partisan rhetoric of Donald Trump's speech, such as encouraging "boo's" of his predecessor, was wrong. Sign Michael's petition I am a proud Eagle Scout who was an active Scout for twelve years, from Tiger Scouting through Cub Scouting and into Boy Scouting. As someone with different political values than the current president, I found his remarks at the Jamboree to be alienating and the use of the Boy Scouts as a prop by him to be dispiriting. Click here to add your name to this petition, and then pass it along to your friends. Thanks! —Michael Fox Source: 1. "Donald Trump's political jamboree," CNN, July 25, 2017 http://act.moveon.org/go/11452?t=17&akid=186851%2E7815108%2E7mZliX You're receiving this petition because we thought it might interest you. 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Message-ID: <00e801d30657$65538490$2ffa8db0$@comcast.net> July 26, 2017 Fear and Trepidation in Tel Aviv: Is Israel Losing the Syrian War? by Ramzy Baroud * * * * Email * * Description: https://uziiw38pmyg1ai60732c4011-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/dropzone /2015/07/print-sp.png Israel, which has played a precarious role in the Syrian war since 2011, is furious to learn that the future of the conflict is not to its liking. The six-year-old Syria war is moving to a new stage, perhaps its final. The Syrian regime is consolidating its control over most of the populated centers, while ISIS is losing ground fast - and everywhere. Areas evacuated by the rapidly disintegrated militant group are up for grabs. There are many hotly contested regions sought over by the government of Bashar al-Assad in Damascus and its allies, on the one hand, and the various anti-Assad opposition groups and their supporters, on the other. With ISIS largely vanquished in Iraq - at an extremely high death toll of 40,000 people in Mosel alone - - warring parties there are moving west. Shia militias, emboldened by the Iraq victory, have been pushing westward as far as the Iraq-Syria border, converging with forces loyal to the Syrian government on the other side. Concurrently, first steps at a permanent ceasefire are bearing fruit, compared to many failed attempts in the past. Following a ceasefire agreement between the United States and Russia on July 7 at the G-20 meeting in Hamburg, Germany, three provinces in southwestern Syria - bordering Jordan and Israeli-occupied Golan Heights - are now relatively quiet. The agreement is likely to be extended elsewhere. The Israeli government has made it clear to the US that it is displeased with the agreement, and Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has been leading strong efforts to undermine the ceasefire. Netanyahu's worst fears are, perhaps, actualizing: a solution in Syria that would allow for a permanent Iranian and Hezbollah presence in the country. In the early phases of the war, such a possibility seemed remote; the constantly changing fortunes in Syria's brutal combat made the discussion altogether irrelevant. But things have now changed. Despite assurances to the contrary, Israel has always been involved in the Syria conflict. Israel's repeated claims that "it maintains a policy of non-intervention in Syria's civil war," only fools US mainstream media. Not only was Israel involved in the war, it also played no role in the aid efforts, nor did it ever extend a helping hand to Syrian refugees. Hundreds of thousands of Syrians have perished in the merciless war; many cities and villages were totally destroyed and millions of Syrians become refugees. While tiny and poor Lebanon has hosted over a million Syrian refugees, every country in the region and many nations around the world have hosted Syrian refugees, as well. Except Israel. Even a symbolic government proposal to host 100 Syrian orphans was eventually dropped. However, the nature of the Israeli involvement in Syria is starting to change. The ceasefire, the growing Russian clout and the inconsistent US position has forced Israel to redefine its role. A sign of the times has been Netanyahu's frequent visits to Moscow, to persuade the emboldened Russian President, Vladimir Putin, of Israel's interests. While Moscow is treading carefully, unlike Washington it hardly perceives Israeli interests as paramount. When Israel shot down a Syrian missile using an arrow missile last March, the Israeli ambassador to Moscow was summoned for reprimand. The chastising of Israel took place only days after Netanyahu visited Moscow and "made it clear" to Putin that he wants to "prevent any Syrian settlement from leaving 'Iran and its proxies with a military presence' in Syria." Since the start of the conflict, Israel wanted to appear as if in control of the situation, at least regarding the conflict in southwestern Syria. It bombed targets in Syria as it saw fit, and casually spoke of maintaining regular contacts with certain opposition groups. In recent comments before European officials, Netanyahu admitted to striking Iranian convoys in Syria 'dozens of times." But without a joint Israeli-US plan, Israel is now emerging as a weak party. Making that realization quite belatedly, Israel is become increasingly frustrated. After years of lobbying, the Obama Administration refused to regard Israel's objectives in Syria as the driving force behind his government's policies. Failing to obtain such support from newly-elected President Donald Trump as well, Israel is now attempting to develop its own independent strategy. On June 18, the Wall Street Journal reported that Israel has been giving "secret aid" to Syrian rebels, in the form of "cash and humanitarian aid." The New York Times reported on July 20 of large shipments of Israeli aid that is "expected to (give) 'glimmer of hope' for Syrians." Needless to say, giving hope to Syrians is not an Israeli priority. Aside from the frequent bombing and refusal to host any refugees, Israel has occupied the Syrian Golan Heights in 1967 and illegally annexed the territory in 1981. Instead, Israel's aim is to infiltrate southern Syria to create a buffer against Iranian, Hezbollah and other hostile forces. Termed " Operation Good Neighbor," Israel is working diligently to build ties with various heads of tribes and influential groups in that region. Yet, the Israeli plan appears to be a flimsy attempt at catching up, as Russia and the US, in addition to their regional allies, seem to be converging on an agreement independent from Israel's own objectives or even security concerns. Israeli officials are angry, and feel particularly betrayed by Washington. If things continue to move in this direction, Iran could soon have a secured pathway connecting Tehran to Damascus and Beirut, Israeli National Security Council head, Yaakov Amidror, threatened in a recent press conference that his country is prepared to move against Iran in Syria, alone. Vehemently rejecting the ceasefire, Amidror said that the Israeli army will "intervene and destroy every attempt to build (permanent Iranian) infrastructure in Syria." Netanyahu's equally charged statements during his European visit also point at the growing frustration in Tel Aviv. This stands in sharp contrast from the days when the neoconservatives in Washington managed the Middle East through a vision that was largely, if not fully, consistent with Israeli impulses. The famed strategy paper prepared by a US study group led by Richard Perle in 1996 is of little use now, as the region is no longer shaped by a country or two. The paper entitled: "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm", saw a hostile Arab world masterfully managed by US and Israel. For a fleeting moment, Tel Aviv hoped that Trump would bring about change to the US attitude. Indeed, there was that euphoric movement in Israel when the Trump administration struck Syria. But the limited nature of the strike made it clear that the US had no plans for massive military deployment similar to that of Iraq in 2003. The initial excitement was eventually replaced by cynicism as expressed by this headline in the Monitor: "Netanyahu puts Trump on notice over Syria." In 1982, taking advantage of sectarian conflicts, Israel invaded Lebanon and installed a government led by its allies. Those days are long gone. While Israel remains militarily strong, the region itself has changed and Israel is not the only power holding all the cards. Moreover, the receding global leadership of the US under Trump makes the Israeli-American duo less effective. With no alternative allies influential enough to fill the gap, Israel is left, for the first time, with very limited options. Join the debate on Facebook More articles by: Ramzy Baroud Dr. Ramzy Baroud has been writing about the Middle East for over 20 years. He is an internationally-syndicated columnist, a media consultant, an author of several books and the founder of PalestineChronicle.com. His latest book is My Father Was a Freedom Fighter: Gaza's Untold Story (Pluto Press, London). His website is: ramzybaroud.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Estabrook) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 21:02:09 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE ON THE AIR for Tuesday 25 July In-Reply-To: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> References: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Thu Jul 27 02:20:54 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 02:20:54 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE ON THE AIR for Tuesday 25 July In-Reply-To: <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> References: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> Message-ID: The groups that organized the marches against the 2003 invasion of Iraq largely fell silent during the Obama administration in terms of street presence. I'm sure those groups' reps would tell us they're anti-war and they don't care who is in charge. But that is indefensible. Their choices to be silent against the drone war, for example, makes their choices indistinguishable from how you'd expect them to react out of partisanship. Yeah, Uniting for Peace and Justice summarily threw me off their list when I said that Harvard Law Obama should be impeached because of his clearly unconstitutional war against Libya. UFPJ is just a front organizations for the DEMS—yet another Dem controlled opposition. Etc. Etc. Etc. fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Peace [mailto:peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Carl G. Estabrook via Peace Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 9:02 PM To: Peace-discuss List ; Peace Cc: prairiegreens at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace] AWARE ON THE AIR for Tuesday 25 July (AWARE ON THE AIR didn't air this week, owing to indisposition; in its place we offer the following links and announcements.) Dr. Know’s Research Notes for Week 30 of 2017 | J. B. Nicholson | ================================================ -- Glenn Greenwald sits in for Jeremy Scahill and provides a much-needed analysis of 'Russiagate', the 2003 Iraq invasion/occupation, and how we see the same 'with us or against us' tactic used to separate those who go along (Samantha Bee, John Oliver, Daily Show, all of the other comedy news and latenight programs except RT's Redacted Tonight) and those who are to be viciously described (anyone who demands evidence). Ignore the edited intro piece and skip to Greenwald's talk, that intro is so blindly anti-Trump it doesn't convey anything of what Greenwald gets into -- he wants evidence to stand behind the allegations -- I'm pretty sure Greenwald didn't edit the intro piece. The second interview is better than the first. -- Looks like Stein is coming back into the news in some small degree. The article doesn't mention the Stein-led recount effort (and it should have) but the Democrats still added her to a list of 40 other people and groups Trump Jr. was told to detail communications with by the Senate Judiciary Committee. As the article put it: Every other person, business or organization on the list is a Russian government official, played some role on the Trump campaign, or are or are mentioned in stories about election hacking. There is no legitimate reason for Stein’s name to be on this list. She makes clear that she has had no contact with the Trump family or campaign. She is being thrown under the bus in a classic smear tactic. Russiagate has no evidence to back it up and never did, but it will have some added value for the Democrats in smearing Jill Stein and serving as a fake reason to justify hostility against Russia. -- 6 years after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, a small robot ("Little Sunfish") with a camera has footage showing melted nuclear fuel rods in reactor #3. This is a big deal because: - Teppco has a history of delaying pertinent news, lying about the scope of this disaster. - 1600+ people died of Fukushima-related causes. Cancers attributable to Fukushima are now coming up. We won't know the tally for years to come, but there's no way this will be good. Maybe in 40 years these reactors will be decommissioned. I'll bet that in time we'll learn that tainted water dumping has been going on throughout and it's wise to reconsider getting goods made in or near that water. - This is why nuclear activists like Dr. Helen Caldicott do their work and argue, convincingly, that we simply can't afford nuclear power. Caldicott is the author of many books including one of my favorites, "The New Nuclear Danger". At one talk she said "It seems that nearly a million people have already died as a result of Chernobyl despite what WHO says and the IAEA. This is one of the most monstrous cover-ups in the history of medicine because everybody should know about this." ( around 24s into the 9m recording which is worth watching), and the Fukushima disaster of Japan "many times worse than Chernobyl". She concisely covers the Fukushima reactors disaster and explains what happened, then points out that "Turkish food is extremely radioactive: Do not buy Turkish dried apricots, do not buy Turkish hazelnuts... The Turks were so cross with the Russians that they sent all their radioactive tea over to Russia after Chernobyl. 40% of Europe is still radioactive; farms in Britain, their land is so full of cesium they can't sell them." (5m59s). In another recording on YouTube she advises avoiding Japanese food for similar reasons: radioactive damage is cumulative over one's lifetime and the risk gets worse as you go through the seafood food chain (algae, crustaceans, little fish, big fish, humans) because each step concentrates more radioactive matter which seafood eaters end up consuming. Date Tue 20:44 I wrote: I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). [...] Speaking of Bernie Sanders and why I don't think much of him: is Paul Street's latest which goes into more on this topic. Worth reading. Russiagate -- Ray McGovern says DNC "hack" was inside job: speed of copying was too great to have been done over a network. Finally -- mention of a detail that not only makes sense but helps narrow down the set of people who know how the data was obtained. McGovern also says that someone on the inside could have had "some inside help of quite professional people" due to the obfuscation involved in trying to make this look like a foreign attack ('Russian hack') which is consistent with the CIA work WikiLeaks told us about as part of their "Vault 7" series of leaks. Why were no forensics done until recently, previously done only by private industry, and why were the servers involved not immediately seized for review? We were told this alleged foreign attack constitutes 'an act of war'. Is this behavior really consistent with something important enough to be called 'an act of war'? It's looking more likely that this: - was an inside job, - by Seth Rich (possibly working with someone else) who was later killed for his part in this, - the Russian govt. and Russian so-called "hackers" are a distraction, - and this could go quite high up: James Comey not getting the servers involved (even by force) suggests something else is going on. Do you honestly believe that if you or I had anything to do with this, we'd be free and have our computers intact now? Russian, Iran, and North Korean sanctions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMoawJ3xAAc -- Republicans are complicit with Dems on blocking Russia. The 2015 documentary "The Propaganda Game" shows how ineffective the past NK sanctions were: NK computer lab had all-new Hewlett-Packard computers snuck into NK. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHGUsD42190 -- If Trump doesn't veto sanctions bill, "he's given up on his presidency" says Ron Paul Institute Exec. Dir. Daniel McAdams. Media - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0hL92xlrs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czrvklLsW0Y -- Joy Reid tweets xenophobic false line, somehow keeps her job at MSNBC (nicknamed "MSDNC" due to its one-sided reportage favoring the Dems). Also, in light of how the Dems reacted to Trump's xenophobic and false remarks, MSNBC ends up vindicating Trump's horrible language. Now others can complain about Trump's xenophobic wrong language but not Joy Reid and MSNBC would be wise to make some distance from her. I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview http://traffic.libsyn.com/ral…/NADER_174_podcast_version.mp3 (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). https://draftbernie.org is the site intending to "Draft Bernie for a People's Party Seeks to Recruit Sanders to Start a New Political Party, Not to Run for President in 2020" (https://draftbernie.org/…/press-release-draft-bernie-peopl…/). They want this because "[d]espite Bernie Sanders’ monumental efforts to reform the Democratic Party, it remains firmly in neoliberal control". I have no problems with a new party starting, or with independent candidates running. But I don't see how running with a former candidate who is worse on major issues than Nader was is any start for a new party. Parties are known for candidates, not celebrities who aren't running. I'm not convinced Sanders is 'progressive' on major issues of the day, and that this isn't just another effort to drum up support for the Democratic Party (an issue the interview reveals is still being considered!). Sanders was (as BlackAgendaReport.com rightly put it) a shepherd for Hillary Clinton and lost all legitimacy in critiquing the Dems when he did that (and he did that without reservation, by the way). Today Sen. Sanders puts forth no Senate version of HR676 (Medicare for All) and mainly seems to give speeches instead of having his staff write bills for the Senate to implement his majoritarian values which make him seem like a good idea for being a POTUS candidate again. Sanders won't point out the Dems' weaknesses because he's working for them. Sanders is unwilling to object to war (his ought-to-be-seen-as-shameful 2016 "Meet the Press" interview is most revealing how go-along he is on this preeminent issue). Therefore I see no reason to take his endorsement as a pointer of someone I should vote for or give money to. I'd take such an endorsement as a warning. "War" seems absent from the draftbernie.org website in my searches so far (one mention is of a rally against war sponsored by an organization that is not draftbernie.org -- https://draftbernie.org/event/pittsburgh-march-war/ -- sponsored by Pittsburghers in Solidarity Against War). Branah says in the interview: - 3rd parties are not attacked "largely and most viciously at the takeoff stage to prevent them from taking off into something major in the first place". They're attacked throughout their existence. "Debate" denials by the CPD, ballot access restrictions are ongoing. And debatebernie.org has no real answer to do this. Ralph Nader's name was very well known when he ran in 2000 and the CPD kept him out. - people "feeling trapped" by the Democrats; yes, but that was also true in 2000 when Nader ran. It's not clear what changed that results in candidates in this new party to win elections. -J Hi Carl (or should I say Hey-Hey Ralphie boy!) I'm young enough to have seen all of those episodes in repeats, back when it was still beyond mainstream criticism to air a show that featured a running joke about a husband threatening to beat his wife ("To the Moon, Alice!"). By the way, the fellow who played Ed Norton in the Honeymooners was also in the "Star Wars Holiday Special" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3a5j8PgQxg which aired exactly once and was disowned by George Lucas afterwards. It was horrible from start to finish. The guys at RedLetterMedia.com reviewed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW4m0oYK0WQ (and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CtUd0yuYN4 ). There are no legally available copies of the SW Holiday Special. The same recording (including ads that aired at the time) have been passed around for years, and copies distributed at fan conventions. Nobody even sues to claim the rights to this thing, as far as I know. TheRealNews.com: I do like Aaron Mate's interviews; he seems to be the one who will ask about the changes in things I won't find many other places (including DN and sometimes RT's Ed show and certainly Larry King show which I find largely useless but I understand to be reliably popular ratings-wise). Media recommendation: In addition to anti-war.com, I do suggest RT for anti-war news in that they do a good job of showing the photos of decimated homes, interviewing victims, and laying out the financial costs which we could put elsewhere. They've also brought up the contradictions in what (I believe) will be a leading lie for an upcoming war with Russia: look at how those awful Russians "hacked our election" with that RT spreading their propaganda! I've seen some perfectly bad documentaries from RT (the "Wi-Fi refugees" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWMNTuIZqKo is a recent example; this takes only one side of the issue and conducts no double-blind tests to see if the claim of human sensitivity to Wi-Fi signals is at all valid, and fails to acknowledge the contradictions in some of the shots the doc shows like a "refugee" claiming to be feeling fine despite sitting in a modern vehicle with a sizable electronic camera sitting next to her shooting her) but I've also seen plenty of good coverage from them on important issues of the day (including some of the only DLC lawsuit coverage you'll find anywhere). Single-payer healthcare: my impression is that the only people opposed to Medicare for All (HR676 as a bill or the concept) are HMOs and people paid to take their side (shills on chat websites, lawyers, lobbyists). The public overwhelmingly supports this and it stands as more popular than the ACA/ObamaCare (neé RomneyCare). Business-wise, the only opposition I am aware of from big businesses is theoretical and described by Doug Henwood -- business owners see Medicare for All as taking away HMO's business and fear that their business can be taken away too if the state so desires. Therefore business owners side with the HMOs even if Medicare for All would save the business money and hassle of dealing with healthcare-related paperwork. I read this somewhere online, and I think I'm getting the jist of Henwood's argument here. Apologies: If the NYT can go back on the '17 intelligence agencies' lie they were pushing is indeed not true (as it was immediately known to be untrue by RT, Seymour Hersh, Glenn Greenwald, and plenty of others) then shouldn't HRC admit she was lying to us all during her most recent failed POTUS campaign? More on Israeli involvement with Syrian war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzg99i-mhAA -- Israel "colludes with groups that are part of chaos in Syria", activist says. -J Media: War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIeP4YDq1KY -- Corporate media silence helps Syrian war persist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i8i9Ra1NyE -- Boycott Israel, go to jail for 20 years and face a heavy fine. This sounds unconstitutional to me, more likely congress members who want to look good for AIPAC support. Media: Russiagate...the endless march toward "a nothing burger" (to quote a CNN host) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTo20JsVEY - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ktz6miC9c Russiagate plods on and as RT's "Resident" (third link above) points out: if you believe ABC polls (despite having missed the POTUS prediction), then you should know the same poll that says Trump is looking at the lowest approval rate in 70 years also says only 37% of those polled (which they claim is a national poll) think the Democratic Party stands for anything. Instead they believe the Democratic Party only stands against the Republicans. While the fruitless Russiagate stories keep coming and the Dems are throwing away their chance to take up better legislation (like a Senate version of HR676, as the feckless Bernie Sanders said he'd do and hasn't done), they come off as standing for nothing. Meanwhile domestic problems worsen: many American cities have unpotable water (not just Flint, MI), healthcare delivery is going to go up in cost (regardless of which HMO-centric plan wins out), and worst of all: the Bush-Obama-Trump wars continue apace. No help for those suffering and dying from the equally craven Democrats. The first link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o) also has a very good point Aaron Maté makes (around 16m50s) regarding Clintonian hypocrisy where WJC made a $500k speaking gig in Russia while Sec. State HRC objected to Magnitsky restrictions which would have created a problem for WJC to make that speech for money. Wikileaks' leaked emails coming in handy again here too ("With the help of the research team, we killed a Bloomberg story trying to link HRC's opposition to the Magnitsky bill to a $500,000 speech that WJC gave in Moscow." from Jesse Lehrich jlehrich at hillaryclinton.com sent on 2015-05-21 at 20:49 -- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/303 ). And in so doing taking down another less reliable source: Bloomberg News. Add it to the pile: NYT (war lies), WaPo (CIA outlet), MSNBC (DNC outlet, particularly Rachel Maddow show), CNN ("Russiagate" sans proof), and so much of the corporate mainstream for silence on closely examining HRC's campaign while endlessly critiquing ("Russiagate") without proof and being so far wrong without apology or explanation/reflection on predicting POTUS. It's no wonder the public distrusts MSM. Healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2G8CWDMSG8 -- 'Trump can't vote down Obamacare so he "strangling" it instead' according to TheRealNews.com. But if Trump merely lets Obamacare continue as-is it will become increasingly unaffordable and useless to the public (this interview says this is happening now in Republican governor states because there are over 1300 counties with only 1 insurer on the plan and there are some counties with 0 insurers on the plan). But the interviewee still supports the idea that Democrats are more likely to get the US to a single-payer system. There's no evidence offered for this bold assertion given that both Republicans and Democrats get HMO campaign money which I believe is why HR676 makes no real progress year after year. A small portion of the war budget would let us buy out the only organized opposition to universalizing Medicare. WikiLeaks Vault 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hMxBFnuO0 - https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#UCL%20/%20Raytheon The WikiLeaks "Vault 7" releases continue and show more ties between private industry and government: Raytheon analyzed malware and gave information to the CIA, "by analyzing malware attacks in the wild and giving recommendations to the CIA development teams for further investigation and PoC [point of contact] development for their own malware projects.". War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twd05sLtBw -- new Iranian sanctions mean carrying out more Obama-era war-fomenting policy against Iran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvOoE_I8bM -- 9-11 victims families push for British report to be released because they believe the report will name Saudi Arabia as source for 'terrorism funding' and 'complicity in terrorism'. Not much of a revelation but this would put Brits in a tough spot to object to being friendly with SA. Healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Z4iMulrYc -- John McCain's healthcare exposes sham of national debate on healthcare: we need the plan we pay for him to have. McCain's brain tumor (cancerous) is going to require even more care. The one big dodge of this interview: no mention that HR676 (Medicare for all) is more popular than ObamaCare and (as Trump said) ObamaCare will become unaffordable as it goes along. All HMO-based plans are designed to be more expensive over time. So there will come a time when even those who support ObamaCare now wouldn't be able to afford it if they had to rely on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vot4VgROlJ4 -- USPS labor union under fire as pressure to privatize USPS mounts; better discussion of healthcare debate nationally here than in previous piece ostensibly centered on healthcare(!), and wise warning about USPS going private: privatization means not every house will get postal service and that helps kill e-commerce. I bet he's right in this. https://www.democracynow.org/…/trump_to_let_obamacare_fail_… I'm guessing DN intended this as some kind of dig at Trump but the story tacitly reveals what a ridiculous choice pro-ObamaCare protesters are making when they should be pushing for Medicare for All (HR676) and highlighting what a fraud Sanders is for not bringing a Senate version of that bill to the Senate. Media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJIhmB6YwU -- Donna Brazile, 2-time DNC higher-up, Democratic Party Superdelegate, "debate" cheater is writing a book. I might read this at the Library just for laughs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrPG1fXhG3s -- one of the few places you'll hear even a mention of the ongoing DNC lawsuit (around 6m) in which the DNC has already admitted voting in its elections are a sham. MSM isn't covering it but neither is DN. If the Democrats really are a powerful group in the US, and American politics are worth following, this lawsuit has to be worth some ink/time as it has the power to enlighten people about how much the DNC doesn't care about its supporters' votes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzhExLtRbAw -- RT is in the cross-hairs in "Russiagate", repeatedly mentioned as Russian propaganda source. I guess we're supposed to not see MSM as pro-war/pro-bank/Democratic Party propaganda. C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Why did Obama suffer far less backlash than George W. Bush? Salon columnist David Sirota summarized an academic study released in 2013: “Evaluating surveys of more than 5,300 anti-war protestors from 2007 to 2009, the researchers discovered that the many protestors who self-identified as Democrats ‘withdrew from anti-war protests when the Democratic Party achieved electoral success’ in the 2008 presidential election.” I've long noticed this and pointed out how this is what separates AWARE from other so-called anti-war groups: AWARE protestors (certainly including you) rightly kept protesting during Obama's administration. The groups that organized the marches against the 2003 invasion of Iraq largely fell silent during the Obama administration in terms of street presence. I'm sure those groups' reps would tell us they're anti-war and they don't care who is in charge. But that is indefensible. Their choices to be silent against the drone war, for example, makes their choices indistinguishable from how you'd expect them to react out of partisanship. Now, should one see a huge ostensibly anti-war crowd, it will be right and proper to ask "How many of them are just anti-Republican versus being anti-war?". Being anti-Republican means the bodies aren't there in the streets during the next Democratic Party administration (if they haven't sunk themselves too far) and it means the next war is just 1 or 2 terms away: if the Republicans can't get away with executing the war, they'll leave it to the Democrats to initiate and then inherit on the next cycle. ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Thu Jul 27 16:58:29 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 16:58:29 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE ON THE AIR for Tuesday 25 July In-Reply-To: <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> References: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> Message-ID: There is some useful information and some nutty information here: In particular, what ever Caldicott says should be discounted. She is a nut on nuclear issues! And has been for a long time, conpletely discredited. —mkb On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: (AWARE ON THE AIR didn't air this week, owing to indisposition; in its place we offer the following links and announcements.) Dr. Know’s Research Notes for Week 30 of 2017 | J. B. Nicholson | ================================================ -- Glenn Greenwald sits in for Jeremy Scahill and provides a much-needed analysis of 'Russiagate', the 2003 Iraq invasion/occupation, and how we see the same 'with us or against us' tactic used to separate those who go along (Samantha Bee, John Oliver, Daily Show, all of the other comedy news and latenight programs except RT's Redacted Tonight) and those who are to be viciously described (anyone who demands evidence). Ignore the edited intro piece and skip to Greenwald's talk, that intro is so blindly anti-Trump it doesn't convey anything of what Greenwald gets into -- he wants evidence to stand behind the allegations -- I'm pretty sure Greenwald didn't edit the intro piece. The second interview is better than the first. -- Looks like Stein is coming back into the news in some small degree. The article doesn't mention the Stein-led recount effort (and it should have) but the Democrats still added her to a list of 40 other people and groups Trump Jr. was told to detail communications with by the Senate Judiciary Committee. As the article put it: Every other person, business or organization on the list is a Russian government official, played some role on the Trump campaign, or are or are mentioned in stories about election hacking. There is no legitimate reason for Stein’s name to be on this list. She makes clear that she has had no contact with the Trump family or campaign. She is being thrown under the bus in a classic smear tactic. Russiagate has no evidence to back it up and never did, but it will have some added value for the Democrats in smearing Jill Stein and serving as a fake reason to justify hostility against Russia. -- 6 years after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, a small robot ("Little Sunfish") with a camera has footage showing melted nuclear fuel rods in reactor #3. This is a big deal because: - Teppco has a history of delaying pertinent news, lying about the scope of this disaster. - 1600+ people died of Fukushima-related causes. Cancers attributable to Fukushima are now coming up. We won't know the tally for years to come, but there's no way this will be good. Maybe in 40 years these reactors will be decommissioned. I'll bet that in time we'll learn that tainted water dumping has been going on throughout and it's wise to reconsider getting goods made in or near that water. - This is why nuclear activists like Dr. Helen Caldicott do their work and argue, convincingly, that we simply can't afford nuclear power. Caldicott is the author of many books including one of my favorites, "The New Nuclear Danger". At one talk she said "It seems that nearly a million people have already died as a result of Chernobyl despite what WHO says and the IAEA. This is one of the most monstrous cover-ups in the history of medicine because everybody should know about this." ( around 24s into the 9m recording which is worth watching), and the Fukushima disaster of Japan "many times worse than Chernobyl". She concisely covers the Fukushima reactors disaster and explains what happened, then points out that "Turkish food is extremely radioactive: Do not buy Turkish dried apricots, do not buy Turkish hazelnuts... The Turks were so cross with the Russians that they sent all their radioactive tea over to Russia after Chernobyl. 40% of Europe is still radioactive; farms in Britain, their land is so full of cesium they can't sell them." (5m59s). In another recording on YouTube she advises avoiding Japanese food for similar reasons: radioactive damage is cumulative over one's lifetime and the risk gets worse as you go through the seafood food chain (algae, crustaceans, little fish, big fish, humans) because each step concentrates more radioactive matter which seafood eaters end up consuming. Date Tue 20:44 I wrote: I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). [...] Speaking of Bernie Sanders and why I don't think much of him: is Paul Street's latest which goes into more on this topic. Worth reading. Russiagate -- Ray McGovern says DNC "hack" was inside job: speed of copying was too great to have been done over a network. Finally -- mention of a detail that not only makes sense but helps narrow down the set of people who know how the data was obtained. McGovern also says that someone on the inside could have had "some inside help of quite professional people" due to the obfuscation involved in trying to make this look like a foreign attack ('Russian hack') which is consistent with the CIA work WikiLeaks told us about as part of their "Vault 7" series of leaks. Why were no forensics done until recently, previously done only by private industry, and why were the servers involved not immediately seized for review? We were told this alleged foreign attack constitutes 'an act of war'. Is this behavior really consistent with something important enough to be called 'an act of war'? It's looking more likely that this: - was an inside job, - by Seth Rich (possibly working with someone else) who was later killed for his part in this, - the Russian govt. and Russian so-called "hackers" are a distraction, - and this could go quite high up: James Comey not getting the servers involved (even by force) suggests something else is going on. Do you honestly believe that if you or I had anything to do with this, we'd be free and have our computers intact now? Russian, Iran, and North Korean sanctions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMoawJ3xAAc -- Republicans are complicit with Dems on blocking Russia. The 2015 documentary "The Propaganda Game" shows how ineffective the past NK sanctions were: NK computer lab had all-new Hewlett-Packard computers snuck into NK. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHGUsD42190 -- If Trump doesn't veto sanctions bill, "he's given up on his presidency" says Ron Paul Institute Exec. Dir. Daniel McAdams. Media - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0hL92xlrs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czrvklLsW0Y -- Joy Reid tweets xenophobic false line, somehow keeps her job at MSNBC (nicknamed "MSDNC" due to its one-sided reportage favoring the Dems). Also, in light of how the Dems reacted to Trump's xenophobic and false remarks, MSNBC ends up vindicating Trump's horrible language. Now others can complain about Trump's xenophobic wrong language but not Joy Reid and MSNBC would be wise to make some distance from her. I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview http://traffic.libsyn.com/ral…/NADER_174_podcast_version.mp3 (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). https://draftbernie.org is the site intending to "Draft Bernie for a People's Party Seeks to Recruit Sanders to Start a New Political Party, Not to Run for President in 2020" (https://draftbernie.org/…/press-release-draft-bernie-peopl…/). They want this because "[d]espite Bernie Sanders’ monumental efforts to reform the Democratic Party, it remains firmly in neoliberal control". I have no problems with a new party starting, or with independent candidates running. But I don't see how running with a former candidate who is worse on major issues than Nader was is any start for a new party. Parties are known for candidates, not celebrities who aren't running. I'm not convinced Sanders is 'progressive' on major issues of the day, and that this isn't just another effort to drum up support for the Democratic Party (an issue the interview reveals is still being considered!). Sanders was (as BlackAgendaReport.com rightly put it) a shepherd for Hillary Clinton and lost all legitimacy in critiquing the Dems when he did that (and he did that without reservation, by the way). Today Sen. Sanders puts forth no Senate version of HR676 (Medicare for All) and mainly seems to give speeches instead of having his staff write bills for the Senate to implement his majoritarian values which make him seem like a good idea for being a POTUS candidate again. Sanders won't point out the Dems' weaknesses because he's working for them. Sanders is unwilling to object to war (his ought-to-be-seen-as-shameful 2016 "Meet the Press" interview is most revealing how go-along he is on this preeminent issue). Therefore I see no reason to take his endorsement as a pointer of someone I should vote for or give money to. I'd take such an endorsement as a warning. "War" seems absent from the draftbernie.org website in my searches so far (one mention is of a rally against war sponsored by an organization that is not draftbernie.org -- https://draftbernie.org/event/pittsburgh-march-war/ -- sponsored by Pittsburghers in Solidarity Against War). Branah says in the interview: - 3rd parties are not attacked "largely and most viciously at the takeoff stage to prevent them from taking off into something major in the first place". They're attacked throughout their existence. "Debate" denials by the CPD, ballot access restrictions are ongoing. And debatebernie.org has no real answer to do this. Ralph Nader's name was very well known when he ran in 2000 and the CPD kept him out. - people "feeling trapped" by the Democrats; yes, but that was also true in 2000 when Nader ran. It's not clear what changed that results in candidates in this new party to win elections. -J Hi Carl (or should I say Hey-Hey Ralphie boy!) I'm young enough to have seen all of those episodes in repeats, back when it was still beyond mainstream criticism to air a show that featured a running joke about a husband threatening to beat his wife ("To the Moon, Alice!"). By the way, the fellow who played Ed Norton in the Honeymooners was also in the "Star Wars Holiday Special" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3a5j8PgQxg which aired exactly once and was disowned by George Lucas afterwards. It was horrible from start to finish. The guys at RedLetterMedia.com reviewed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW4m0oYK0WQ (and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CtUd0yuYN4 ). There are no legally available copies of the SW Holiday Special. The same recording (including ads that aired at the time) have been passed around for years, and copies distributed at fan conventions. Nobody even sues to claim the rights to this thing, as far as I know. TheRealNews.com: I do like Aaron Mate's interviews; he seems to be the one who will ask about the changes in things I won't find many other places (including DN and sometimes RT's Ed show and certainly Larry King show which I find largely useless but I understand to be reliably popular ratings-wise). Media recommendation: In addition to anti-war.com, I do suggest RT for anti-war news in that they do a good job of showing the photos of decimated homes, interviewing victims, and laying out the financial costs which we could put elsewhere. They've also brought up the contradictions in what (I believe) will be a leading lie for an upcoming war with Russia: look at how those awful Russians "hacked our election" with that RT spreading their propaganda! I've seen some perfectly bad documentaries from RT (the "Wi-Fi refugees" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWMNTuIZqKo is a recent example; this takes only one side of the issue and conducts no double-blind tests to see if the claim of human sensitivity to Wi-Fi signals is at all valid, and fails to acknowledge the contradictions in some of the shots the doc shows like a "refugee" claiming to be feeling fine despite sitting in a modern vehicle with a sizable electronic camera sitting next to her shooting her) but I've also seen plenty of good coverage from them on important issues of the day (including some of the only DLC lawsuit coverage you'll find anywhere). Single-payer healthcare: my impression is that the only people opposed to Medicare for All (HR676 as a bill or the concept) are HMOs and people paid to take their side (shills on chat websites, lawyers, lobbyists). The public overwhelmingly supports this and it stands as more popular than the ACA/ObamaCare (neé RomneyCare). Business-wise, the only opposition I am aware of from big businesses is theoretical and described by Doug Henwood -- business owners see Medicare for All as taking away HMO's business and fear that their business can be taken away too if the state so desires. Therefore business owners side with the HMOs even if Medicare for All would save the business money and hassle of dealing with healthcare-related paperwork. I read this somewhere online, and I think I'm getting the jist of Henwood's argument here. Apologies: If the NYT can go back on the '17 intelligence agencies' lie they were pushing is indeed not true (as it was immediately known to be untrue by RT, Seymour Hersh, Glenn Greenwald, and plenty of others) then shouldn't HRC admit she was lying to us all during her most recent failed POTUS campaign? More on Israeli involvement with Syrian war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzg99i-mhAA -- Israel "colludes with groups that are part of chaos in Syria", activist says. -J Media: War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIeP4YDq1KY -- Corporate media silence helps Syrian war persist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i8i9Ra1NyE -- Boycott Israel, go to jail for 20 years and face a heavy fine. This sounds unconstitutional to me, more likely congress members who want to look good for AIPAC support. Media: Russiagate...the endless march toward "a nothing burger" (to quote a CNN host) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTo20JsVEY - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ktz6miC9c Russiagate plods on and as RT's "Resident" (third link above) points out: if you believe ABC polls (despite having missed the POTUS prediction), then you should know the same poll that says Trump is looking at the lowest approval rate in 70 years also says only 37% of those polled (which they claim is a national poll) think the Democratic Party stands for anything. Instead they believe the Democratic Party only stands against the Republicans. While the fruitless Russiagate stories keep coming and the Dems are throwing away their chance to take up better legislation (like a Senate version of HR676, as the feckless Bernie Sanders said he'd do and hasn't done), they come off as standing for nothing. Meanwhile domestic problems worsen: many American cities have unpotable water (not just Flint, MI), healthcare delivery is going to go up in cost (regardless of which HMO-centric plan wins out), and worst of all: the Bush-Obama-Trump wars continue apace. No help for those suffering and dying from the equally craven Democrats. The first link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o) also has a very good point Aaron Maté makes (around 16m50s) regarding Clintonian hypocrisy where WJC made a $500k speaking gig in Russia while Sec. State HRC objected to Magnitsky restrictions which would have created a problem for WJC to make that speech for money. Wikileaks' leaked emails coming in handy again here too ("With the help of the research team, we killed a Bloomberg story trying to link HRC's opposition to the Magnitsky bill to a $500,000 speech that WJC gave in Moscow." from Jesse Lehrich jlehrich at hillaryclinton.com sent on 2015-05-21 at 20:49 -- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/303 ). And in so doing taking down another less reliable source: Bloomberg News. Add it to the pile: NYT (war lies), WaPo (CIA outlet), MSNBC (DNC outlet, particularly Rachel Maddow show), CNN ("Russiagate" sans proof), and so much of the corporate mainstream for silence on closely examining HRC's campaign while endlessly critiquing ("Russiagate") without proof and being so far wrong without apology or explanation/reflection on predicting POTUS. It's no wonder the public distrusts MSM. Healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2G8CWDMSG8 -- 'Trump can't vote down Obamacare so he "strangling" it instead' according to TheRealNews.com. But if Trump merely lets Obamacare continue as-is it will become increasingly unaffordable and useless to the public (this interview says this is happening now in Republican governor states because there are over 1300 counties with only 1 insurer on the plan and there are some counties with 0 insurers on the plan). But the interviewee still supports the idea that Democrats are more likely to get the US to a single-payer system. There's no evidence offered for this bold assertion given that both Republicans and Democrats get HMO campaign money which I believe is why HR676 makes no real progress year after year. A small portion of the war budget would let us buy out the only organized opposition to universalizing Medicare. WikiLeaks Vault 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hMxBFnuO0 - https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#UCL%20/%20Raytheon The WikiLeaks "Vault 7" releases continue and show more ties between private industry and government: Raytheon analyzed malware and gave information to the CIA, "by analyzing malware attacks in the wild and giving recommendations to the CIA development teams for further investigation and PoC [point of contact] development for their own malware projects.". War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twd05sLtBw -- new Iranian sanctions mean carrying out more Obama-era war-fomenting policy against Iran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvOoE_I8bM -- 9-11 victims families push for British report to be released because they believe the report will name Saudi Arabia as source for 'terrorism funding' and 'complicity in terrorism'. Not much of a revelation but this would put Brits in a tough spot to object to being friendly with SA. Healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Z4iMulrYc -- John McCain's healthcare exposes sham of national debate on healthcare: we need the plan we pay for him to have. McCain's brain tumor (cancerous) is going to require even more care. The one big dodge of this interview: no mention that HR676 (Medicare for all) is more popular than ObamaCare and (as Trump said) ObamaCare will become unaffordable as it goes along. All HMO-based plans are designed to be more expensive over time. So there will come a time when even those who support ObamaCare now wouldn't be able to afford it if they had to rely on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vot4VgROlJ4 -- USPS labor union under fire as pressure to privatize USPS mounts; better discussion of healthcare debate nationally here than in previous piece ostensibly centered on healthcare(!), and wise warning about USPS going private: privatization means not every house will get postal service and that helps kill e-commerce. I bet he's right in this. https://www.democracynow.org/…/trump_to_let_obamacare_fail_… I'm guessing DN intended this as some kind of dig at Trump but the story tacitly reveals what a ridiculous choice pro-ObamaCare protesters are making when they should be pushing for Medicare for All (HR676) and highlighting what a fraud Sanders is for not bringing a Senate version of that bill to the Senate. Media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJIhmB6YwU -- Donna Brazile, 2-time DNC higher-up, Democratic Party Superdelegate, "debate" cheater is writing a book. I might read this at the Library just for laughs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrPG1fXhG3s -- one of the few places you'll hear even a mention of the ongoing DNC lawsuit (around 6m) in which the DNC has already admitted voting in its elections are a sham. MSM isn't covering it but neither is DN. If the Democrats really are a powerful group in the US, and American politics are worth following, this lawsuit has to be worth some ink/time as it has the power to enlighten people about how much the DNC doesn't care about its supporters' votes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzhExLtRbAw -- RT is in the cross-hairs in "Russiagate", repeatedly mentioned as Russian propaganda source. I guess we're supposed to not see MSM as pro-war/pro-bank/Democratic Party propaganda. C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Why did Obama suffer far less backlash than George W. Bush? Salon columnist David Sirota summarized an academic study released in 2013: “Evaluating surveys of more than 5,300 anti-war protestors from 2007 to 2009, the researchers discovered that the many protestors who self-identified as Democrats ‘withdrew from anti-war protests when the Democratic Party achieved electoral success’ in the 2008 presidential election.” I've long noticed this and pointed out how this is what separates AWARE from other so-called anti-war groups: AWARE protestors (certainly including you) rightly kept protesting during Obama's administration. The groups that organized the marches against the 2003 invasion of Iraq largely fell silent during the Obama administration in terms of street presence. I'm sure those groups' reps would tell us they're anti-war and they don't care who is in charge. But that is indefensible. Their choices to be silent against the drone war, for example, makes their choices indistinguishable from how you'd expect them to react out of partisanship. Now, should one see a huge ostensibly anti-war crowd, it will be right and proper to ask "How many of them are just anti-Republican versus being anti-war?". Being anti-Republican means the bodies aren't there in the streets during the next Democratic Party administration (if they haven't sunk themselves too far) and it means the next war is just 1 or 2 terms away: if the Republicans can't get away with executing the war, they'll leave it to the Democrats to initiate and then inherit on the next cycle. ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jul 27 17:05:05 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:05:05 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE ON THE AIR for Tuesday 25 July In-Reply-To: References: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <6E9DD81A-7E1B-438A-B619-0E62BE565519@illinois.edu> Even after Fukushima? She doesn’t sound very nutty… > —CGE > On Jul 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > There is some useful information and some nutty information here: In particular, what ever Caldicott says should be discounted. She is a nut on nuclear issues! And has been for a long time, conpletely discredited. > > —mkb >> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: >> >> (AWARE ON THE AIR didn't air this week, owing to indisposition; in its place we offer the following links and announcements.) >> >> Dr. Know’s Research Notes for Week 30 of 2017 | J. B. Nicholson | >> ================================================ >> >> > -- Glenn Greenwald sits in for Jeremy Scahill and provides a much-needed analysis of 'Russiagate', the 2003 Iraq invasion/occupation, and how we see the same 'with us or against us' tactic used to separate those who go along (Samantha Bee, John Oliver, Daily Show, all of the other comedy news and latenight programs except RT's Redacted Tonight) and those who are to be viciously described (anyone who demands evidence). Ignore the edited intro piece and skip to Greenwald's talk, that intro is so blindly anti-Trump it doesn't convey anything of what Greenwald gets into -- he wants evidence to stand behind the allegations -- I'm pretty sure Greenwald didn't edit the intro piece. The second interview is better than the first. >> >> > -- Looks like Stein is coming back into the news in some small degree. The article doesn't mention the Stein-led recount effort (and it should have) but the Democrats still added her to a list of 40 other people and groups Trump Jr. was told to detail communications with by the Senate Judiciary Committee. >> >> As the article put it: >> >> Every other person, business or organization on the list is a Russian >> government official, played some role on the Trump campaign, or are or >> are mentioned in stories about election hacking. There is no legitimate >> reason for Stein’s name to be on this list. She makes clear that she has >> had no contact with the Trump family or campaign. She is being thrown >> under the bus in a classic smear tactic. >> >> Russiagate has no evidence to back it up and never did, but it will have some added value for the Democrats in smearing Jill Stein and serving as a fake reason to justify hostility against Russia. >> >> > -- 6 years after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, a small robot ("Little Sunfish") with a camera has footage showing melted nuclear fuel rods in reactor #3. This is a big deal because: >> >> - Teppco has a history of delaying pertinent news, lying about the scope of this disaster. >> >> - 1600+ people died of Fukushima-related causes. Cancers attributable to Fukushima are now coming up. We won't know the tally for years to come, but there's no way this will be good. Maybe in 40 years these reactors will be decommissioned. I'll bet that in time we'll learn that tainted water dumping has been going on throughout and it's wise to reconsider getting goods made in or near that water. >> >> - This is why nuclear activists like Dr. Helen Caldicott do their work and argue, convincingly, that we simply can't afford nuclear power. Caldicott is the author of many books including one of my favorites, "The New Nuclear Danger". At one talk she said "It seems that nearly a million people have already died as a result of Chernobyl despite what WHO says and the IAEA. This is one of the most monstrous cover-ups in the history of medicine because everybody should know about this." (> around 24s into the 9m recording which is worth watching), and the Fukushima disaster of Japan "many times worse than Chernobyl". She concisely covers the Fukushima reactors disaster and explains what happened, then points out that "Turkish food is extremely radioactive: Do not buy Turkish dried apricots, do not buy Turkish hazelnuts... The Turks were so cross with the Russians that they sent all their radioactive tea over to Russia after Chernobyl. 40% of Europe is still radioactive; farms in Britain, their land is so full of cesium they can't sell them." (5m59s). In another recording on YouTube she advises avoiding Japanese food for similar reasons: radioactive damage is cumulative over one's lifetime and the risk gets worse as you go through the seafood food chain (algae, crustaceans, little fish, big fish, humans) because each step concentrates more radioactive matter which seafood eaters end up consuming. >> >> Date Tue 20:44 >> I wrote: >> >> I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview > (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). [...] >> >> Speaking of Bernie Sanders and why I don't think much of him: >> > is Paul Street's latest which goes into more on this topic. Worth reading. >> >> Russiagate >> > -- Ray McGovern says DNC "hack" was inside job: speed of copying was too great to have been done over a network. Finally -- mention of a detail that not only makes sense but helps narrow down the set of people who know how the data was obtained. McGovern also says that someone on the inside could have had "some inside help of quite professional people" due to the obfuscation involved in trying to make this look like a foreign attack ('Russian hack') which is consistent with the CIA work WikiLeaks told us about as part of their "Vault 7" series of leaks. >> >> Why were no forensics done until recently, previously done only by private industry, and why were the servers involved not immediately seized for review? We were told this alleged foreign attack constitutes 'an act of war'. Is this behavior really consistent with something important enough to be called 'an act of war'? >> >> It's looking more likely that this: >> >> - was an inside job, >> - by Seth Rich (possibly working with someone else) who was later killed for his part in this, >> - the Russian govt. and Russian so-called "hackers" are a distraction, >> - and this could go quite high up: James Comey not getting the servers involved (even by force) suggests something else is going on. >> >> Do you honestly believe that if you or I had anything to do with this, we'd be free and have our computers intact now? >> >> Russian, Iran, and North Korean sanctions >> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMoawJ3xAAc -- Republicans are complicit with Dems on blocking Russia. The 2015 documentary "The Propaganda Game" shows how ineffective the past NK sanctions were: NK computer lab had all-new Hewlett-Packard computers snuck into NK. >> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHGUsD42190 -- If Trump doesn't veto sanctions bill, "he's given up on his presidency" says Ron Paul Institute Exec. Dir. Daniel McAdams. >> >> Media >> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0hL92xlrs >> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czrvklLsW0Y -- Joy Reid tweets xenophobic false line, somehow keeps her job at MSNBC (nicknamed "MSDNC" due to its one-sided reportage favoring the Dems). Also, in light of how the Dems reacted to Trump's xenophobic and false remarks, MSNBC ends up vindicating Trump's horrible language. Now others can complain about Trump's xenophobic wrong language but not Joy Reid and MSNBC would be wise to make some distance from her. >> >> I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview http://traffic.libsyn.com/ral…/NADER_174_podcast_version.mp3 (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). >> >> https://draftbernie.org is the site intending to "Draft Bernie for a People's Party Seeks to Recruit Sanders to Start a New Political Party, Not to Run for President in 2020" (https://draftbernie.org/…/press-release-draft-bernie-peopl…/ ). They want this because "[d]espite Bernie Sanders’ monumental efforts to reform the Democratic Party, it remains firmly in neoliberal control". >> >> I have no problems with a new party starting, or with independent candidates running. But I don't see how running with a former candidate who is worse on major issues than Nader was is any start for a new party. >> >> Parties are known for candidates, not celebrities who aren't running. >> >> I'm not convinced Sanders is 'progressive' on major issues of the day, and that this isn't just another effort to drum up support for the Democratic Party (an issue the interview reveals is still being considered!). >> >> Sanders was (as BlackAgendaReport.com rightly put it) a shepherd for Hillary Clinton and lost all legitimacy in critiquing the Dems when he did that (and he did that without reservation, by the way). >> >> Today Sen. Sanders puts forth no Senate version of HR676 (Medicare for All) and mainly seems to give speeches instead of having his staff write bills for the Senate to implement his majoritarian values which make him seem like a good idea for being a POTUS candidate again. >> >> Sanders won't point out the Dems' weaknesses because he's working for them. >> >> Sanders is unwilling to object to war (his ought-to-be-seen-as-shameful 2016 "Meet the Press" interview is most revealing how go-along he is on this preeminent issue). Therefore I see no reason to take his endorsement as a pointer of someone I should vote for or give money to. I'd take such an endorsement as a warning. >> >> "War" seems absent from the draftbernie.org website in my searches so far (one mention is of a rally against war sponsored by an organization that is not draftbernie.org --https://draftbernie.org/event/pittsburgh-march-war/ -- sponsored by Pittsburghers in Solidarity Against War). >> >> Branah says in the interview: >> >> - 3rd parties are not attacked "largely and most viciously at the takeoff stage to prevent them from taking off into something major in the first place". They're attacked throughout their existence. "Debate" denials by the CPD, ballot access restrictions are ongoing. And debatebernie.org has no real answer to do this. Ralph Nader's name was very well known when he ran in 2000 and the CPD kept him out. >> >> - people "feeling trapped" by the Democrats; yes, but that was also true in 2000 when Nader ran. It's not clear what changed that results in candidates in this new party to win elections. >> >> -J >> >> Hi Carl (or should I say Hey-Hey Ralphie boy!) >> >> I'm young enough to have seen all of those episodes in repeats, back when it was still beyond mainstream criticism to air a show that featured a running joke about a husband threatening to beat his wife ("To the Moon, Alice!"). By the way, the fellow who played Ed Norton in the Honeymooners was also in the "Star Wars Holiday Special" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3a5j8PgQxg which aired exactly once and was disowned by George Lucas afterwards. It was horrible from start to finish. The guys at RedLetterMedia.com reviewed ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW4m0oYK0WQ (and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CtUd0yuYN4 ). There are no legally available copies of the SW Holiday Special. The same recording (including ads that aired at the time) have been passed around for years, and copies distributed at fan conventions. Nobody even sues to claim the rights to this thing, as far as I know. >> >> TheRealNews.com : I do like Aaron Mate's interviews; he seems to be the one who will ask about the changes in things I won't find many other places (including DN and sometimes RT's Ed show and certainly Larry King show which I find largely useless but I understand to be reliably popular ratings-wise). >> >> Media recommendation: In addition to anti-war.com , I do suggest RT for anti-war news in that they do a good job of showing the photos of decimated homes, interviewing victims, and laying out the financial costs which we could put elsewhere. They've also brought up the contradictions in what (I believe) will be a leading lie for an upcoming war with Russia: look at how those awful Russians "hacked our election" with that RT spreading their propaganda! I've seen some perfectly bad documentaries from RT (the "Wi-Fi refugees"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWMNTuIZqKo is a recent example; this takes only one side of the issue and conducts no double-blind tests to see if the claim of human sensitivity to Wi-Fi signals is at all valid, and fails to acknowledge the contradictions in some of the shots the doc shows like a "refugee" claiming to be feeling fine despite sitting in a modern vehicle with a sizable electronic camera sitting next to her shooting her) but I've also seen plenty of good coverage from them on important issues of the day (including some of the only DLC lawsuit coverage you'll find anywhere). >> >> Single-payer healthcare: my impression is that the only people opposed to Medicare for All (HR676 as a bill or the concept) are HMOs and people paid to take their side (shills on chat websites, lawyers, lobbyists). The public overwhelmingly supports this and it stands as more popular than the ACA/ObamaCare (neé RomneyCare). Business-wise, the only opposition I am aware of from big businesses is theoretical and described by Doug Henwood -- business owners see Medicare for All as taking away HMO's business and fear that their business can be taken away too if the state so desires. Therefore business owners side with the HMOs even if Medicare for All would save the business money and hassle of dealing with healthcare-related paperwork. I read this somewhere online, and I think I'm getting the jist of Henwood's argument here. >> >> Apologies: If the NYT can go back on the '17 intelligence agencies' lie they were pushing is indeed not true (as it was immediately known to be untrue by RT, Seymour Hersh, Glenn Greenwald, and plenty of others) then shouldn't HRC admit she was lying to us all during her most recent failed POTUS campaign? >> >> More on Israeli involvement with Syrian war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzg99i-mhAA -- Israel "colludes with groups that are part of chaos in Syria", activist says. >> >> -J >> >> Media: War >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIeP4YDq1KY -- Corporate media silence helps Syrian war persist. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i8i9Ra1NyE -- Boycott Israel, go to jail for 20 years and face a heavy fine. This sounds unconstitutional to me, more likely congress members who want to look good for AIPAC support. >> >> Media: Russiagate...the endless march toward "a nothing burger" (to quote a CNN host) >> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o >> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTo20JsVEY >> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ktz6miC9c >> Russiagate plods on and as RT's "Resident" (third link above) points out: if you believe ABC polls (despite having missed the POTUS prediction), then you should know the same poll that says Trump is looking at the lowest approval rate in 70 years also says only 37% of those polled (which they claim is a national poll) think the Democratic Party stands for anything. Instead they believe the Democratic Party only stands against the Republicans. While the fruitless Russiagate stories keep coming and the Dems are throwing away their chance to take up better legislation (like a Senate version of HR676, as the feckless Bernie Sanders said he'd do and hasn't done), they come off as standing for nothing. Meanwhile domestic problems worsen: many American cities have unpotable water (not just Flint, MI), healthcare delivery is going to go up in cost (regardless of which HMO-centric plan wins out), and worst of all: the Bush-Obama-Trump wars continue apace. No help for those suffering and dying from the equally craven Democrats. >> >> The first link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o ) also has a very good point Aaron Maté makes (around 16m50s) regarding Clintonian hypocrisy where WJC made a $500k speaking gig in Russia while Sec. State HRC objected to Magnitsky restrictions which would have created a problem for WJC to make that speech for money. Wikileaks' leaked emails coming in handy again here too ("With the help of the research team, we killed a Bloomberg story trying to link HRC's opposition to the Magnitsky bill to a $500,000 speech that WJC gave in Moscow." from Jesse Lehrich jlehrich at hillaryclinton.com sent on 2015-05-21 at 20:49 -- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/303 ). And in so doing taking down another less reliable source: Bloomberg News. Add it to the pile: NYT (war lies), WaPo (CIA outlet), MSNBC (DNC outlet, particularly Rachel Maddow show), CNN ("Russiagate" sans proof), and so much of the corporate mainstream for silence on closely examining HRC's campaign while endlessly critiquing ("Russiagate") without proof and being so far wrong without apology or explanation/reflection on predicting POTUS. It's no wonder the public distrusts MSM. >> >> Healthcare >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2G8CWDMSG8 -- 'Trump can't vote down Obamacare so he "strangling" it instead' according to TheRealNews.com . But if Trump merely lets Obamacare continue as-is it will become increasingly unaffordable and useless to the public (this interview says this is happening now in Republican governor states because there are over 1300 counties with only 1 insurer on the plan and there are some counties with 0 insurers on the plan). But the interviewee still supports the idea that Democrats are more likely to get the US to a single-payer system. There's no evidence offered for this bold assertion given that both Republicans and Democrats get HMO campaign money which I believe is why HR676 makes no real progress year after year. A small portion of the war budget would let us buy out the only organized opposition to universalizing Medicare. >> >> WikiLeaks Vault 7 >> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hMxBFnuO0 >> - https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#UCL%20/%20Raytheon >> The WikiLeaks "Vault 7" releases continue and show more ties between private industry and government: Raytheon analyzed malware and gave information to the CIA, "by analyzing malware attacks in the wild and giving recommendations to the CIA development teams for further investigation and PoC [point of contact] development for their own malware projects.". >> >> War >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twd05sLtBw -- new Iranian sanctions mean carrying out more Obama-era war-fomenting policy against Iran. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvOoE_I8bM -- 9-11 victims families push for British report to be released because they believe the report will name Saudi Arabia as source for 'terrorism funding' and 'complicity in terrorism'. Not much of a revelation but this would put Brits in a tough spot to object to being friendly with SA. >> >> Healthcare >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Z4iMulrYc -- John McCain's healthcare exposes sham of national debate on healthcare: we need the plan we pay for him to have. McCain's brain tumor (cancerous) is going to require even more care. The one big dodge of this interview: no mention that HR676 (Medicare for all) is more popular than ObamaCare and (as Trump said) ObamaCare will become unaffordable as it goes along. All HMO-based plans are designed to be more expensive over time. So there will come a time when even those who support ObamaCare now wouldn't be able to afford it if they had to rely on it. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vot4VgROlJ4 -- USPS labor union under fire as pressure to privatize USPS mounts; better discussion of healthcare debate nationally here than in previous piece ostensibly centered on healthcare(!), and wise warning about USPS going private: privatization means not every house will get postal service and that helps kill e-commerce. I bet he's right in this. >> >> https://www.democracynow.org/…/trump_to_let_obamacare_fail_ … >> I'm guessing DN intended this as some kind of dig at Trump but the story tacitly reveals what a ridiculous choice pro-ObamaCare protesters are making when they should be pushing for Medicare for All (HR676) and highlighting what a fraud Sanders is for not bringing a Senate version of that bill to the Senate. >> >> Media >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJIhmB6YwU -- Donna Brazile, 2-time DNC higher-up, Democratic Party Superdelegate, "debate" cheater is writing a book. I might read this at the Library just for laughs. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrPG1fXhG3s -- one of the few places you'll hear even a mention of the ongoing DNC lawsuit (around 6m) in which the DNC has already admitted voting in its elections are a sham. MSM isn't covering it but neither is DN. If the Democrats really are a powerful group in the US, and American politics are worth following, this lawsuit has to be worth some ink/time as it has the power to enlighten people about how much the DNC doesn't care about its supporters' votes. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzhExLtRbAw -- RT is in the cross-hairs in "Russiagate", repeatedly mentioned as Russian propaganda source. I guess we're supposed to not see MSM as pro-war/pro-bank/Democratic Party propaganda. >> >> C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: >> >> Why did Obama suffer far less backlash than George W. Bush? Salon >> columnist David Sirota summarized an academic study released in 2013: >> “Evaluating surveys of more than 5,300 anti-war protestors from 2007 to >> 2009, the researchers discovered that the many protestors who >> self-identified as Democrats ‘withdrew from anti-war protests when the >> Democratic Party achieved electoral success’ in the 2008 presidential >> election.” >> >> I've long noticed this and pointed out how this is what separates AWARE from other so-called anti-war groups: AWARE protestors (certainly including you) rightly kept protesting during Obama's administration. >> >> The groups that organized the marches against the 2003 invasion of Iraq largely fell silent during the Obama administration in terms of street presence. I'm sure those groups' reps would tell us they're anti-war and they don't care who is in charge. But that is indefensible. Their choices to be silent against the drone war, for example, makes their choices indistinguishable from how you'd expect them to react out of partisanship. >> >> Now, should one see a huge ostensibly anti-war crowd, it will be right and proper to ask "How many of them are just anti-Republican versus being anti-war?". Being anti-Republican means the bodies aren't there in the streets during the next Democratic Party administration (if they haven't sunk themselves too far) and it means the next war is just 1 or 2 terms away: if the Republicans can't get away with executing the war, they'll leave it to the Democrats to initiate and then inherit on the next cycle. >> >> ### >> _______________________________________________ >> Peace mailing list >> Peace at lists.chambana.net >> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jul 27 17:14:37 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:14:37 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Fwd: AWARE Anti-War Teach In References: Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Karen Aram > Subject: Re: AWARE Anti-War Teach In > Date: July 27, 2017 at 9:37:46 AM CDT > To: C G Estabrook > Cc: Francis A Boyle , David Green , David Johnson , Whitney Rich , "tomasroyer at gmail.com" , Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga , Nick G , Stuart Levy , Karen Medina , Mildred O'brien > > I’m requesting everyone on this email to desist communicating on the below topic. I’ve asked Carl to redo this conversation on the Peace Discuss List, it is a very worthwhile conversation and most of you are on the Peace Discuss List, if not let me know and I’ll put you on it. I’ve asked for limitation of mass emails in relation to the Teach In, in order to prevent confusion. > > Thank you >> On Jul 27, 2017, at 07:29, C G Estabrook wrote: >> >> Even the ‘Hydrocarbon War’ (1990-present) can be seen as just one aspect of US war-making since 1945, a period in which US presidents have killed more than 20 million people to maintain the world economic dominance that the US 1% inherited after World War II, the US being the only undamaged major country in 1945. >> >> US policy-makers since the “Open Door’ (1899) saw the greatest threat to the US economic elite to be the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices. (That’s what WWII in the Pacific was about.) Here the great gain was the destruction of the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere (and the atomic intimidation of the USSR at Hiroshima and Nagasaki) - and the great setback was 'the loss of China' in 1949. (That’s what the Vietnam War was about - the maintenance of US economic dominance in Asia-Pacific.) >> >> The Israeli attack on Egypt in 1967 destroyed secular Arab nationalism (and aided the rise of religious resistance - radical Islam - which was encouraged by the US, just as Israel encouraged Hamas against the the secular PLO). Israel's ’Six-Day War,’ in 1967, delivered control of Mideast energy resources ('hydrocarbons’) to the US. Israel, which the US had dismissed in the Suez Crisis a decade earlier, became the leading US client and the “stationary aircraft carrier” for US control of the Mideast. >> >> It’s control of - and not just access to - those hydrocarbons that the US insists upon. The US in fact imports little oil from the Mideast for domestic purposes: most of what the US uses at home comes from the the Atlantic basin - the US itself, Canada, Venezuela, and Nigeria. But control of the greatest source of world energy gives the US government a choke-hold over other economies that do depend on it, from Germany to China. (The Pentagon refers to this situation as “offshore control” of China - although some have suggested that the growth of renewables and the current China-Russia entente substantially reduces that offshore control - and fuels US war provocations against China, especially in the S. China Sea, as well as the TPP, in an alternate attempt to retard Chinese economic development.) >> >> A generation ago, US planners feared that popular revulsion at what the US had done in SE Asia (by 1969, 70% of Americans told pollsters that the US war in Vietnam was “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake”) would prevent US military operations to retard Asian development - the “Vietnam syndrome.” The Hydrocarbon War was also meant to control the only enemy the US ruling class really fears - the US public. After the First Gulf War, President Bush Sr., with his family’s characteristic candor, exclaimed, “...by God, we've kicked the Vietnam syndrome once and for all!” >> >> America’s WWII hegemony continues to decline relatively, as Eurasia develops and integrates economically. In response, the US political establishment produced the only president ever to be at war throughout two presidential terms: President Obama bombed eight countries and conducted what was correctly called 'The Most Extreme Terrorist Campaign of Modern Times' - his drone assassinations, with which he killed thousands, mostly civilians, including hundreds of children. The goal remained as it had been for more than a century: the world economic dominance of the US economic elite - particularly in regard to Eurasia - for which Mideast hydrocarbons were an instrument - perhaps increasingly ineffective. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >>> >>> Actually, we have been at war continuously since Bush Sr.’s War against Iraq to steal Persian Gulf Oil and Gas in 1990-1991—27 years. Thucydides looked at a series of wars on the Greek Peninsula over a period of 27 years and said, no, this is one war, which he called the Peloponnesian War. So what we have seen here for the past 27 years is not a series of wars, but one war: The Hydrocarbon War by the United States to steal the world’s oil and gas. Fab. >>> >>> Francis A. Boyle >>> Law Building >>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >>> Champaign IL 61820 USA >>> 217-333-7954 (phone) >>> 217-244-1478 (fax) >>> (personal comments only) >>> >>> From: Boyle, Francis A >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:51 PM >>> To: Karen Aram ; C G Estabrook ; David Green ; David Johnson ; Whitney Rich >>> Cc: tomasroyer at gmail.com; Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga ; Nick G ; Stuart Levy ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien >>> Subject: RE: AWARE Anti-War Teach In >>> >>> Maybe we can think of this event as: >>> >>> “Light at the End of the Tunnel” >>> >>> After 16 years of war. >>> >>> Fab >>> >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Thu Jul 27 17:34:38 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:34:38 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE ON THE AIR for Tuesday 25 July In-Reply-To: <6E9DD81A-7E1B-438A-B619-0E62BE565519@illinois.edu> References: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> <6E9DD81A-7E1B-438A-B619-0E62BE565519@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <5FB0E29A-F618-492D-A32F-D7372FD9F371@illinois.edu> …And Hunsicker(sp?) is akin to Caldicott on the dangers emanating from Fukushima and other nuclear radiation sources. I have read his pieces and been disgusted with Counterpunch from exposing them. Fukushima was indeed a disaster, from the Tsunami mostly, and the economical consequences of the reactor wipe-outs. But the radiation effects on people have been minimal except perhaps for those trying to deal with those destroyed power plants. The psychological effects on the population have also been malign, and reported. Many will now return to areas which received contamination. They will be monitored carefully for their health. —mkb On Jul 27, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: Even after Fukushima? She doesn’t sound very nutty… > —CGE On Jul 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: There is some useful information and some nutty information here: In particular, what ever Caldicott says should be discounted. She is a nut on nuclear issues! And has been for a long time, conpletely discredited. —mkb On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: (AWARE ON THE AIR didn't air this week, owing to indisposition; in its place we offer the following links and announcements.) Dr. Know’s Research Notes for Week 30 of 2017 | J. B. Nicholson | ================================================ > -- Glenn Greenwald sits in for Jeremy Scahill and provides a much-needed analysis of 'Russiagate', the 2003 Iraq invasion/occupation, and how we see the same 'with us or against us' tactic used to separate those who go along (Samantha Bee, John Oliver, Daily Show, all of the other comedy news and latenight programs except RT's Redacted Tonight) and those who are to be viciously described (anyone who demands evidence). Ignore the edited intro piece and skip to Greenwald's talk, that intro is so blindly anti-Trump it doesn't convey anything of what Greenwald gets into -- he wants evidence to stand behind the allegations -- I'm pretty sure Greenwald didn't edit the intro piece. The second interview is better than the first. > -- Looks like Stein is coming back into the news in some small degree. The article doesn't mention the Stein-led recount effort (and it should have) but the Democrats still added her to a list of 40 other people and groups Trump Jr. was told to detail communications with by the Senate Judiciary Committee. As the article put it: Every other person, business or organization on the list is a Russian government official, played some role on the Trump campaign, or are or are mentioned in stories about election hacking. There is no legitimate reason for Stein’s name to be on this list. She makes clear that she has had no contact with the Trump family or campaign. She is being thrown under the bus in a classic smear tactic. Russiagate has no evidence to back it up and never did, but it will have some added value for the Democrats in smearing Jill Stein and serving as a fake reason to justify hostility against Russia. > -- 6 years after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, a small robot ("Little Sunfish") with a camera has footage showing melted nuclear fuel rods in reactor #3. This is a big deal because: - Teppco has a history of delaying pertinent news, lying about the scope of this disaster. - 1600+ people died of Fukushima-related causes. Cancers attributable to Fukushima are now coming up. We won't know the tally for years to come, but there's no way this will be good. Maybe in 40 years these reactors will be decommissioned. I'll bet that in time we'll learn that tainted water dumping has been going on throughout and it's wise to reconsider getting goods made in or near that water. - This is why nuclear activists like Dr. Helen Caldicott do their work and argue, convincingly, that we simply can't afford nuclear power. Caldicott is the author of many books including one of my favorites, "The New Nuclear Danger". At one talk she said "It seems that nearly a million people have already died as a result of Chernobyl despite what WHO says and the IAEA. This is one of the most monstrous cover-ups in the history of medicine because everybody should know about this." (> around 24s into the 9m recording which is worth watching), and the Fukushima disaster of Japan "many times worse than Chernobyl". She concisely covers the Fukushima reactors disaster and explains what happened, then points out that "Turkish food is extremely radioactive: Do not buy Turkish dried apricots, do not buy Turkish hazelnuts... The Turks were so cross with the Russians that they sent all their radioactive tea over to Russia after Chernobyl. 40% of Europe is still radioactive; farms in Britain, their land is so full of cesium they can't sell them." (5m59s). In another recording on YouTube she advises avoiding Japanese food for similar reasons: radioactive damage is cumulative over one's lifetime and the risk gets worse as you go through the seafood food chain (algae, crustaceans, little fish, big fish, humans) because each step concentrates more radioactive matter which seafood eaters end up consuming. Date Tue 20:44 I wrote: I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview > (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). [...] Speaking of Bernie Sanders and why I don't think much of him: > is Paul Street's latest which goes into more on this topic. Worth reading. Russiagate > -- Ray McGovern says DNC "hack" was inside job: speed of copying was too great to have been done over a network. Finally -- mention of a detail that not only makes sense but helps narrow down the set of people who know how the data was obtained. McGovern also says that someone on the inside could have had "some inside help of quite professional people" due to the obfuscation involved in trying to make this look like a foreign attack ('Russian hack') which is consistent with the CIA work WikiLeaks told us about as part of their "Vault 7" series of leaks. Why were no forensics done until recently, previously done only by private industry, and why were the servers involved not immediately seized for review? We were told this alleged foreign attack constitutes 'an act of war'. Is this behavior really consistent with something important enough to be called 'an act of war'? It's looking more likely that this: - was an inside job, - by Seth Rich (possibly working with someone else) who was later killed for his part in this, - the Russian govt. and Russian so-called "hackers" are a distraction, - and this could go quite high up: James Comey not getting the servers involved (even by force) suggests something else is going on. Do you honestly believe that if you or I had anything to do with this, we'd be free and have our computers intact now? Russian, Iran, and North Korean sanctions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMoawJ3xAAc -- Republicans are complicit with Dems on blocking Russia. The 2015 documentary "The Propaganda Game" shows how ineffective the past NK sanctions were: NK computer lab had all-new Hewlett-Packard computers snuck into NK. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHGUsD42190 -- If Trump doesn't veto sanctions bill, "he's given up on his presidency" says Ron Paul Institute Exec. Dir. Daniel McAdams. Media - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0hL92xlrs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czrvklLsW0Y -- Joy Reid tweets xenophobic false line, somehow keeps her job at MSNBC (nicknamed "MSDNC" due to its one-sided reportage favoring the Dems). Also, in light of how the Dems reacted to Trump's xenophobic and false remarks, MSNBC ends up vindicating Trump's horrible language. Now others can complain about Trump's xenophobic wrong language but not Joy Reid and MSNBC would be wise to make some distance from her. I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview http://traffic.libsyn.com/ral…/NADER_174_podcast_version.mp3 (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). https://draftbernie.org is the site intending to "Draft Bernie for a People's Party Seeks to Recruit Sanders to Start a New Political Party, Not to Run for President in 2020" (https://draftbernie.org/…/press-release-draft-bernie-peopl…/). They want this because "[d]espite Bernie Sanders’ monumental efforts to reform the Democratic Party, it remains firmly in neoliberal control". I have no problems with a new party starting, or with independent candidates running. But I don't see how running with a former candidate who is worse on major issues than Nader was is any start for a new party. Parties are known for candidates, not celebrities who aren't running. I'm not convinced Sanders is 'progressive' on major issues of the day, and that this isn't just another effort to drum up support for the Democratic Party (an issue the interview reveals is still being considered!). Sanders was (as BlackAgendaReport.com rightly put it) a shepherd for Hillary Clinton and lost all legitimacy in critiquing the Dems when he did that (and he did that without reservation, by the way). Today Sen. Sanders puts forth no Senate version of HR676 (Medicare for All) and mainly seems to give speeches instead of having his staff write bills for the Senate to implement his majoritarian values which make him seem like a good idea for being a POTUS candidate again. Sanders won't point out the Dems' weaknesses because he's working for them. Sanders is unwilling to object to war (his ought-to-be-seen-as-shameful 2016 "Meet the Press" interview is most revealing how go-along he is on this preeminent issue). Therefore I see no reason to take his endorsement as a pointer of someone I should vote for or give money to. I'd take such an endorsement as a warning. "War" seems absent from the draftbernie.org website in my searches so far (one mention is of a rally against war sponsored by an organization that is not draftbernie.org -- https://draftbernie.org/event/pittsburgh-march-war/ -- sponsored by Pittsburghers in Solidarity Against War). Branah says in the interview: - 3rd parties are not attacked "largely and most viciously at the takeoff stage to prevent them from taking off into something major in the first place". They're attacked throughout their existence. "Debate" denials by the CPD, ballot access restrictions are ongoing. And debatebernie.org has no real answer to do this. Ralph Nader's name was very well known when he ran in 2000 and the CPD kept him out. - people "feeling trapped" by the Democrats; yes, but that was also true in 2000 when Nader ran. It's not clear what changed that results in candidates in this new party to win elections. -J Hi Carl (or should I say Hey-Hey Ralphie boy!) I'm young enough to have seen all of those episodes in repeats, back when it was still beyond mainstream criticism to air a show that featured a running joke about a husband threatening to beat his wife ("To the Moon, Alice!"). By the way, the fellow who played Ed Norton in the Honeymooners was also in the "Star Wars Holiday Special" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3a5j8PgQxg which aired exactly once and was disowned by George Lucas afterwards. It was horrible from start to finish. The guys at RedLetterMedia.com reviewed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW4m0oYK0WQ (and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CtUd0yuYN4 ). There are no legally available copies of the SW Holiday Special. The same recording (including ads that aired at the time) have been passed around for years, and copies distributed at fan conventions. Nobody even sues to claim the rights to this thing, as far as I know. TheRealNews.com: I do like Aaron Mate's interviews; he seems to be the one who will ask about the changes in things I won't find many other places (including DN and sometimes RT's Ed show and certainly Larry King show which I find largely useless but I understand to be reliably popular ratings-wise). Media recommendation: In addition to anti-war.com, I do suggest RT for anti-war news in that they do a good job of showing the photos of decimated homes, interviewing victims, and laying out the financial costs which we could put elsewhere. They've also brought up the contradictions in what (I believe) will be a leading lie for an upcoming war with Russia: look at how those awful Russians "hacked our election" with that RT spreading their propaganda! I've seen some perfectly bad documentaries from RT (the "Wi-Fi refugees" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWMNTuIZqKo is a recent example; this takes only one side of the issue and conducts no double-blind tests to see if the claim of human sensitivity to Wi-Fi signals is at all valid, and fails to acknowledge the contradictions in some of the shots the doc shows like a "refugee" claiming to be feeling fine despite sitting in a modern vehicle with a sizable electronic camera sitting next to her shooting her) but I've also seen plenty of good coverage from them on important issues of the day (including some of the only DLC lawsuit coverage you'll find anywhere). Single-payer healthcare: my impression is that the only people opposed to Medicare for All (HR676 as a bill or the concept) are HMOs and people paid to take their side (shills on chat websites, lawyers, lobbyists). The public overwhelmingly supports this and it stands as more popular than the ACA/ObamaCare (neé RomneyCare). Business-wise, the only opposition I am aware of from big businesses is theoretical and described by Doug Henwood -- business owners see Medicare for All as taking away HMO's business and fear that their business can be taken away too if the state so desires. Therefore business owners side with the HMOs even if Medicare for All would save the business money and hassle of dealing with healthcare-related paperwork. I read this somewhere online, and I think I'm getting the jist of Henwood's argument here. Apologies: If the NYT can go back on the '17 intelligence agencies' lie they were pushing is indeed not true (as it was immediately known to be untrue by RT, Seymour Hersh, Glenn Greenwald, and plenty of others) then shouldn't HRC admit she was lying to us all during her most recent failed POTUS campaign? More on Israeli involvement with Syrian war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzg99i-mhAA -- Israel "colludes with groups that are part of chaos in Syria", activist says. -J Media: War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIeP4YDq1KY -- Corporate media silence helps Syrian war persist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i8i9Ra1NyE -- Boycott Israel, go to jail for 20 years and face a heavy fine. This sounds unconstitutional to me, more likely congress members who want to look good for AIPAC support. Media: Russiagate...the endless march toward "a nothing burger" (to quote a CNN host) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTo20JsVEY - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ktz6miC9c Russiagate plods on and as RT's "Resident" (third link above) points out: if you believe ABC polls (despite having missed the POTUS prediction), then you should know the same poll that says Trump is looking at the lowest approval rate in 70 years also says only 37% of those polled (which they claim is a national poll) think the Democratic Party stands for anything. Instead they believe the Democratic Party only stands against the Republicans. While the fruitless Russiagate stories keep coming and the Dems are throwing away their chance to take up better legislation (like a Senate version of HR676, as the feckless Bernie Sanders said he'd do and hasn't done), they come off as standing for nothing. Meanwhile domestic problems worsen: many American cities have unpotable water (not just Flint, MI), healthcare delivery is going to go up in cost (regardless of which HMO-centric plan wins out), and worst of all: the Bush-Obama-Trump wars continue apace. No help for those suffering and dying from the equally craven Democrats. The first link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o) also has a very good point Aaron Maté makes (around 16m50s) regarding Clintonian hypocrisy where WJC made a $500k speaking gig in Russia while Sec. State HRC objected to Magnitsky restrictions which would have created a problem for WJC to make that speech for money. Wikileaks' leaked emails coming in handy again here too ("With the help of the research team, we killed a Bloomberg story trying to link HRC's opposition to the Magnitsky bill to a $500,000 speech that WJC gave in Moscow." from Jesse Lehrich jlehrich at hillaryclinton.com sent on 2015-05-21 at 20:49 -- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/303 ). And in so doing taking down another less reliable source: Bloomberg News. Add it to the pile: NYT (war lies), WaPo (CIA outlet), MSNBC (DNC outlet, particularly Rachel Maddow show), CNN ("Russiagate" sans proof), and so much of the corporate mainstream for silence on closely examining HRC's campaign while endlessly critiquing ("Russiagate") without proof and being so far wrong without apology or explanation/reflection on predicting POTUS. It's no wonder the public distrusts MSM. Healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2G8CWDMSG8 -- 'Trump can't vote down Obamacare so he "strangling" it instead' according to TheRealNews.com. But if Trump merely lets Obamacare continue as-is it will become increasingly unaffordable and useless to the public (this interview says this is happening now in Republican governor states because there are over 1300 counties with only 1 insurer on the plan and there are some counties with 0 insurers on the plan). But the interviewee still supports the idea that Democrats are more likely to get the US to a single-payer system. There's no evidence offered for this bold assertion given that both Republicans and Democrats get HMO campaign money which I believe is why HR676 makes no real progress year after year. A small portion of the war budget would let us buy out the only organized opposition to universalizing Medicare. WikiLeaks Vault 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hMxBFnuO0 - https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#UCL%20/%20Raytheon The WikiLeaks "Vault 7" releases continue and show more ties between private industry and government: Raytheon analyzed malware and gave information to the CIA, "by analyzing malware attacks in the wild and giving recommendations to the CIA development teams for further investigation and PoC [point of contact] development for their own malware projects.". War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twd05sLtBw -- new Iranian sanctions mean carrying out more Obama-era war-fomenting policy against Iran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvOoE_I8bM -- 9-11 victims families push for British report to be released because they believe the report will name Saudi Arabia as source for 'terrorism funding' and 'complicity in terrorism'. Not much of a revelation but this would put Brits in a tough spot to object to being friendly with SA. Healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Z4iMulrYc -- John McCain's healthcare exposes sham of national debate on healthcare: we need the plan we pay for him to have. McCain's brain tumor (cancerous) is going to require even more care. The one big dodge of this interview: no mention that HR676 (Medicare for all) is more popular than ObamaCare and (as Trump said) ObamaCare will become unaffordable as it goes along. All HMO-based plans are designed to be more expensive over time. So there will come a time when even those who support ObamaCare now wouldn't be able to afford it if they had to rely on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vot4VgROlJ4 -- USPS labor union under fire as pressure to privatize USPS mounts; better discussion of healthcare debate nationally here than in previous piece ostensibly centered on healthcare(!), and wise warning about USPS going private: privatization means not every house will get postal service and that helps kill e-commerce. I bet he's right in this. https://www.democracynow.org/…/trump_to_let_obamacare_fail_… I'm guessing DN intended this as some kind of dig at Trump but the story tacitly reveals what a ridiculous choice pro-ObamaCare protesters are making when they should be pushing for Medicare for All (HR676) and highlighting what a fraud Sanders is for not bringing a Senate version of that bill to the Senate. Media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJIhmB6YwU -- Donna Brazile, 2-time DNC higher-up, Democratic Party Superdelegate, "debate" cheater is writing a book. I might read this at the Library just for laughs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrPG1fXhG3s -- one of the few places you'll hear even a mention of the ongoing DNC lawsuit (around 6m) in which the DNC has already admitted voting in its elections are a sham. MSM isn't covering it but neither is DN. If the Democrats really are a powerful group in the US, and American politics are worth following, this lawsuit has to be worth some ink/time as it has the power to enlighten people about how much the DNC doesn't care about its supporters' votes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzhExLtRbAw -- RT is in the cross-hairs in "Russiagate", repeatedly mentioned as Russian propaganda source. I guess we're supposed to not see MSM as pro-war/pro-bank/Democratic Party propaganda. C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Why did Obama suffer far less backlash than George W. Bush? Salon columnist David Sirota summarized an academic study released in 2013: “Evaluating surveys of more than 5,300 anti-war protestors from 2007 to 2009, the researchers discovered that the many protestors who self-identified as Democrats ‘withdrew from anti-war protests when the Democratic Party achieved electoral success’ in the 2008 presidential election.” I've long noticed this and pointed out how this is what separates AWARE from other so-called anti-war groups: AWARE protestors (certainly including you) rightly kept protesting during Obama's administration. The groups that organized the marches against the 2003 invasion of Iraq largely fell silent during the Obama administration in terms of street presence. I'm sure those groups' reps would tell us they're anti-war and they don't care who is in charge. But that is indefensible. Their choices to be silent against the drone war, for example, makes their choices indistinguishable from how you'd expect them to react out of partisanship. Now, should one see a huge ostensibly anti-war crowd, it will be right and proper to ask "How many of them are just anti-Republican versus being anti-war?". Being anti-Republican means the bodies aren't there in the streets during the next Democratic Party administration (if they haven't sunk themselves too far) and it means the next war is just 1 or 2 terms away: if the Republicans can't get away with executing the war, they'll leave it to the Democrats to initiate and then inherit on the next cycle. ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Thu Jul 27 17:41:53 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 12:41:53 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE ON THE AIR for Tuesday 25 July In-Reply-To: <5FB0E29A-F618-492D-A32F-D7372FD9F371@illinois.edu> References: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> <6E9DD81A-7E1B-438A-B619-0E62BE565519@illinois.edu> <5FB0E29A-F618-492D-A32F-D7372FD9F371@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <8906EB6D-C4C2-4310-AD9C-A65E94AD1395@illinois.edu> Jeffrey St. Clair, editor of CounterPunch, has been called the country’s leading environmental reporter. He’s a friend, and doesn’t seem to me to be an alarmist, but he also doesn’t endorse everything he publishes. But I don’t think he publishes things he doesn’t think worth discussing. —CGE > On Jul 27, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Brussel, Morton K wrote: > > …And Hunsicker(sp?) is akin to Caldicott on the dangers emanating from Fukushima and other nuclear radiation sources. I have read his pieces and been disgusted with Counterpunch from exposing them. Fukushima was indeed a disaster, from the Tsunami mostly, and the economical consequences of the reactor wipe-outs. But the radiation effects on people have been minimal except perhaps for those trying to deal with those destroyed power plants. The psychological effects on the population have also been malign, and reported. Many will now return to areas which received contamination. They will be monitored carefully for their health. > > —mkb > >> On Jul 27, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Carl G. Estabrook > wrote: >> >> Even after Fukushima? She doesn’t sound very nutty… >> >> > >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Brussel, Morton K > wrote: >>> >>> There is some useful information and some nutty information here: In particular, what ever Caldicott says should be discounted. She is a nut on nuclear issues! And has been for a long time, conpletely discredited. >>> >>> —mkb >>>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 9:02 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: >>>> >>>> (AWARE ON THE AIR didn't air this week, owing to indisposition; in its place we offer the following links and announcements.) >>>> >>>> Dr. Know’s Research Notes for Week 30 of 2017 | J. B. Nicholson | >>>> ================================================ >>>> >>>> > -- Glenn Greenwald sits in for Jeremy Scahill and provides a much-needed analysis of 'Russiagate', the 2003 Iraq invasion/occupation, and how we see the same 'with us or against us' tactic used to separate those who go along (Samantha Bee, John Oliver, Daily Show, all of the other comedy news and latenight programs except RT's Redacted Tonight) and those who are to be viciously described (anyone who demands evidence). Ignore the edited intro piece and skip to Greenwald's talk, that intro is so blindly anti-Trump it doesn't convey anything of what Greenwald gets into -- he wants evidence to stand behind the allegations -- I'm pretty sure Greenwald didn't edit the intro piece. The second interview is better than the first. >>>> >>>> > -- Looks like Stein is coming back into the news in some small degree. The article doesn't mention the Stein-led recount effort (and it should have) but the Democrats still added her to a list of 40 other people and groups Trump Jr. was told to detail communications with by the Senate Judiciary Committee. >>>> >>>> As the article put it: >>>> >>>> Every other person, business or organization on the list is a Russian >>>> government official, played some role on the Trump campaign, or are or >>>> are mentioned in stories about election hacking. There is no legitimate >>>> reason for Stein’s name to be on this list. She makes clear that she has >>>> had no contact with the Trump family or campaign. She is being thrown >>>> under the bus in a classic smear tactic. >>>> >>>> Russiagate has no evidence to back it up and never did, but it will have some added value for the Democrats in smearing Jill Stein and serving as a fake reason to justify hostility against Russia. >>>> >>>> > -- 6 years after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, a small robot ("Little Sunfish") with a camera has footage showing melted nuclear fuel rods in reactor #3. This is a big deal because: >>>> >>>> - Teppco has a history of delaying pertinent news, lying about the scope of this disaster. >>>> >>>> - 1600+ people died of Fukushima-related causes. Cancers attributable to Fukushima are now coming up. We won't know the tally for years to come, but there's no way this will be good. Maybe in 40 years these reactors will be decommissioned. I'll bet that in time we'll learn that tainted water dumping has been going on throughout and it's wise to reconsider getting goods made in or near that water. >>>> >>>> - This is why nuclear activists like Dr. Helen Caldicott do their work and argue, convincingly, that we simply can't afford nuclear power. Caldicott is the author of many books including one of my favorites, "The New Nuclear Danger". At one talk she said "It seems that nearly a million people have already died as a result of Chernobyl despite what WHO says and the IAEA. This is one of the most monstrous cover-ups in the history of medicine because everybody should know about this." (> around 24s into the 9m recording which is worth watching), and the Fukushima disaster of Japan "many times worse than Chernobyl". She concisely covers the Fukushima reactors disaster and explains what happened, then points out that "Turkish food is extremely radioactive: Do not buy Turkish dried apricots, do not buy Turkish hazelnuts... The Turks were so cross with the Russians that they sent all their radioactive tea over to Russia after Chernobyl. 40% of Europe is still radioactive; farms in Britain, their land is so full of cesium they can't sell them." (5m59s). In another recording on YouTube she advises avoiding Japanese food for similar reasons: radioactive damage is cumulative over one's lifetime and the risk gets worse as you go through the seafood food chain (algae, crustaceans, little fish, big fish, humans) because each step concentrates more radioactive matter which seafood eaters end up consuming. >>>> >>>> Date Tue 20:44 >>>> I wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview > (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with aDraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). [...] >>>> >>>> Speaking of Bernie Sanders and why I don't think much of him: >>>> > is Paul Street's latest which goes into more on this topic. Worth reading. >>>> >>>> Russiagate >>>> > -- Ray McGovern says DNC "hack" was inside job: speed of copying was too great to have been done over a network. Finally -- mention of a detail that not only makes sense but helps narrow down the set of people who know how the data was obtained. McGovern also says that someone on the inside could have had "some inside help of quite professional people" due to the obfuscation involved in trying to make this look like a foreign attack ('Russian hack') which is consistent with the CIA work WikiLeaks told us about as part of their "Vault 7" series of leaks. >>>> >>>> Why were no forensics done until recently, previously done only by private industry, and why were the servers involved not immediately seized for review? We were told this alleged foreign attack constitutes 'an act of war'. Is this behavior really consistent with something important enough to be called 'an act of war'? >>>> >>>> It's looking more likely that this: >>>> >>>> - was an inside job, >>>> - by Seth Rich (possibly working with someone else) who was later killed for his part in this, >>>> - the Russian govt. and Russian so-called "hackers" are a distraction, >>>> - and this could go quite high up: James Comey not getting the servers involved (even by force) suggests something else is going on. >>>> >>>> Do you honestly believe that if you or I had anything to do with this, we'd be free and have our computers intact now? >>>> >>>> Russian, Iran, and North Korean sanctions >>>> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMoawJ3xAAc -- Republicans are complicit with Dems on blocking Russia. The 2015 documentary "The Propaganda Game" shows how ineffective the past NK sanctions were: NK computer lab had all-new Hewlett-Packard computers snuck into NK. >>>> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHGUsD42190 -- If Trump doesn't veto sanctions bill, "he's given up on his presidency" says Ron Paul Institute Exec. Dir. Daniel McAdams. >>>> >>>> Media >>>> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0hL92xlrs >>>> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czrvklLsW0Y -- Joy Reid tweets xenophobic false line, somehow keeps her job at MSNBC (nicknamed "MSDNC" due to its one-sided reportage favoring the Dems). Also, in light of how the Dems reacted to Trump's xenophobic and false remarks, MSNBC ends up vindicating Trump's horrible language. Now others can complain about Trump's xenophobic wrong language but not Joy Reid and MSNBC would be wise to make some distance from her. >>>> >>>> I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview http://traffic.libsyn.com/ral…/NADER_174_podcast_version.mp3 (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). >>>> >>>> https://draftbernie.org is the site intending to "Draft Bernie for a People's Party Seeks to Recruit Sanders to Start a New Political Party, Not to Run for President in 2020" (https://draftbernie.org/…/press-release-draft-bernie-peopl…/ ). They want this because "[d]espite Bernie Sanders’ monumental efforts to reform the Democratic Party, it remains firmly in neoliberal control". >>>> >>>> I have no problems with a new party starting, or with independent candidates running. But I don't see how running with a former candidate who is worse on major issues than Nader was is any start for a new party. >>>> >>>> Parties are known for candidates, not celebrities who aren't running. >>>> >>>> I'm not convinced Sanders is 'progressive' on major issues of the day, and that this isn't just another effort to drum up support for the Democratic Party (an issue the interview reveals is still being considered!). >>>> >>>> Sanders was (as BlackAgendaReport.com rightly put it) a shepherd for Hillary Clinton and lost all legitimacy in critiquing the Dems when he did that (and he did that without reservation, by the way). >>>> >>>> Today Sen. Sanders puts forth no Senate version of HR676 (Medicare for All) and mainly seems to give speeches instead of having his staff write bills for the Senate to implement his majoritarian values which make him seem like a good idea for being a POTUS candidate again. >>>> >>>> Sanders won't point out the Dems' weaknesses because he's working for them. >>>> >>>> Sanders is unwilling to object to war (his ought-to-be-seen-as-shameful 2016 "Meet the Press" interview is most revealing how go-along he is on this preeminent issue). Therefore I see no reason to take his endorsement as a pointer of someone I should vote for or give money to. I'd take such an endorsement as a warning. >>>> >>>> "War" seems absent from the draftbernie.org website in my searches so far (one mention is of a rally against war sponsored by an organization that is not draftbernie.org --https://draftbernie.org/event/pittsburgh-march-war/ -- sponsored by Pittsburghers in Solidarity Against War). >>>> >>>> Branah says in the interview: >>>> >>>> - 3rd parties are not attacked "largely and most viciously at the takeoff stage to prevent them from taking off into something major in the first place". They're attacked throughout their existence. "Debate" denials by the CPD, ballot access restrictions are ongoing. And debatebernie.org has no real answer to do this. Ralph Nader's name was very well known when he ran in 2000 and the CPD kept him out. >>>> >>>> - people "feeling trapped" by the Democrats; yes, but that was also true in 2000 when Nader ran. It's not clear what changed that results in candidates in this new party to win elections. >>>> >>>> -J >>>> >>>> Hi Carl (or should I say Hey-Hey Ralphie boy!) >>>> >>>> I'm young enough to have seen all of those episodes in repeats, back when it was still beyond mainstream criticism to air a show that featured a running joke about a husband threatening to beat his wife ("To the Moon, Alice!"). By the way, the fellow who played Ed Norton in the Honeymooners was also in the "Star Wars Holiday Special"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3a5j8PgQxg which aired exactly once and was disowned by George Lucas afterwards. It was horrible from start to finish. The guys atRedLetterMedia.com reviewed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW4m0oYK0WQ (and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CtUd0yuYN4 ). There are no legally available copies of the SW Holiday Special. The same recording (including ads that aired at the time) have been passed around for years, and copies distributed at fan conventions. Nobody even sues to claim the rights to this thing, as far as I know. >>>> >>>> TheRealNews.com : I do like Aaron Mate's interviews; he seems to be the one who will ask about the changes in things I won't find many other places (including DN and sometimes RT's Ed show and certainly Larry King show which I find largely useless but I understand to be reliably popular ratings-wise). >>>> >>>> Media recommendation: In addition to anti-war.com , I do suggest RT for anti-war news in that they do a good job of showing the photos of decimated homes, interviewing victims, and laying out the financial costs which we could put elsewhere. They've also brought up the contradictions in what (I believe) will be a leading lie for an upcoming war with Russia: look at how those awful Russians "hacked our election" with that RT spreading their propaganda! I've seen some perfectly bad documentaries from RT (the "Wi-Fi refugees"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWMNTuIZqKo is a recent example; this takes only one side of the issue and conducts no double-blind tests to see if the claim of human sensitivity to Wi-Fi signals is at all valid, and fails to acknowledge the contradictions in some of the shots the doc shows like a "refugee" claiming to be feeling fine despite sitting in a modern vehicle with a sizable electronic camera sitting next to her shooting her) but I've also seen plenty of good coverage from them on important issues of the day (including some of the only DLC lawsuit coverage you'll find anywhere). >>>> >>>> Single-payer healthcare: my impression is that the only people opposed to Medicare for All (HR676 as a bill or the concept) are HMOs and people paid to take their side (shills on chat websites, lawyers, lobbyists). The public overwhelmingly supports this and it stands as more popular than the ACA/ObamaCare (neé RomneyCare). Business-wise, the only opposition I am aware of from big businesses is theoretical and described by Doug Henwood -- business owners see Medicare for All as taking away HMO's business and fear that their business can be taken away too if the state so desires. Therefore business owners side with the HMOs even if Medicare for All would save the business money and hassle of dealing with healthcare-related paperwork. I read this somewhere online, and I think I'm getting the jist of Henwood's argument here. >>>> >>>> Apologies: If the NYT can go back on the '17 intelligence agencies' lie they were pushing is indeed not true (as it was immediately known to be untrue by RT, Seymour Hersh, Glenn Greenwald, and plenty of others) then shouldn't HRC admit she was lying to us all during her most recent failed POTUS campaign? >>>> >>>> More on Israeli involvement with Syrian war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzg99i-mhAA -- Israel "colludes with groups that are part of chaos in Syria", activist says. >>>> >>>> -J >>>> >>>> Media: War >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIeP4YDq1KY -- Corporate media silence helps Syrian war persist. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i8i9Ra1NyE -- Boycott Israel, go to jail for 20 years and face a heavy fine. This sounds unconstitutional to me, more likely congress members who want to look good for AIPAC support. >>>> >>>> Media: Russiagate...the endless march toward "a nothing burger" (to quote a CNN host) >>>> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o >>>> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTo20JsVEY >>>> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ktz6miC9c >>>> Russiagate plods on and as RT's "Resident" (third link above) points out: if you believe ABC polls (despite having missed the POTUS prediction), then you should know the same poll that says Trump is looking at the lowest approval rate in 70 years also says only 37% of those polled (which they claim is a national poll) think the Democratic Party stands for anything. Instead they believe the Democratic Party only stands against the Republicans. While the fruitless Russiagate stories keep coming and the Dems are throwing away their chance to take up better legislation (like a Senate version of HR676, as the feckless Bernie Sanders said he'd do and hasn't done), they come off as standing for nothing. Meanwhile domestic problems worsen: many American cities have unpotable water (not just Flint, MI), healthcare delivery is going to go up in cost (regardless of which HMO-centric plan wins out), and worst of all: the Bush-Obama-Trump wars continue apace. No help for those suffering and dying from the equally craven Democrats. >>>> >>>> The first link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o ) also has a very good point Aaron Maté makes (around 16m50s) regarding Clintonian hypocrisy where WJC made a $500k speaking gig in Russia while Sec. State HRC objected to Magnitsky restrictions which would have created a problem for WJC to make that speech for money. Wikileaks' leaked emails coming in handy again here too ("With the help of the research team, we killed a Bloomberg story trying to link HRC's opposition to the Magnitsky bill to a $500,000 speech that WJC gave in Moscow." from Jesse Lehrich jlehrich at hillaryclinton.com sent on 2015-05-21 at 20:49 -- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/303 ). And in so doing taking down another less reliable source: Bloomberg News. Add it to the pile: NYT (war lies), WaPo (CIA outlet), MSNBC (DNC outlet, particularly Rachel Maddow show), CNN ("Russiagate" sans proof), and so much of the corporate mainstream for silence on closely examining HRC's campaign while endlessly critiquing ("Russiagate") without proof and being so far wrong without apology or explanation/reflection on predicting POTUS. It's no wonder the public distrusts MSM. >>>> >>>> Healthcare >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2G8CWDMSG8 -- 'Trump can't vote down Obamacare so he "strangling" it instead' according to TheRealNews.com . But if Trump merely lets Obamacare continue as-is it will become increasingly unaffordable and useless to the public (this interview says this is happening now in Republican governor states because there are over 1300 counties with only 1 insurer on the plan and there are some counties with 0 insurers on the plan). But the interviewee still supports the idea that Democrats are more likely to get the US to a single-payer system. There's no evidence offered for this bold assertion given that both Republicans and Democrats get HMO campaign money which I believe is why HR676 makes no real progress year after year. A small portion of the war budget would let us buy out the only organized opposition to universalizing Medicare. >>>> >>>> WikiLeaks Vault 7 >>>> - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hMxBFnuO0 >>>> - https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#UCL%20/%20Raytheon >>>> The WikiLeaks "Vault 7" releases continue and show more ties between private industry and government: Raytheon analyzed malware and gave information to the CIA, "by analyzing malware attacks in the wild and giving recommendations to the CIA development teams for further investigation and PoC [point of contact] development for their own malware projects.". >>>> >>>> War >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twd05sLtBw -- new Iranian sanctions mean carrying out more Obama-era war-fomenting policy against Iran. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvOoE_I8bM -- 9-11 victims families push for British report to be released because they believe the report will name Saudi Arabia as source for 'terrorism funding' and 'complicity in terrorism'. Not much of a revelation but this would put Brits in a tough spot to object to being friendly with SA. >>>> >>>> Healthcare >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Z4iMulrYc -- John McCain's healthcare exposes sham of national debate on healthcare: we need the plan we pay for him to have. McCain's brain tumor (cancerous) is going to require even more care. The one big dodge of this interview: no mention that HR676 (Medicare for all) is more popular than ObamaCare and (as Trump said) ObamaCare will become unaffordable as it goes along. All HMO-based plans are designed to be more expensive over time. So there will come a time when even those who support ObamaCare now wouldn't be able to afford it if they had to rely on it. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vot4VgROlJ4 -- USPS labor union under fire as pressure to privatize USPS mounts; better discussion of healthcare debate nationally here than in previous piece ostensibly centered on healthcare(!), and wise warning about USPS going private: privatization means not every house will get postal service and that helps kill e-commerce. I bet he's right in this. >>>> >>>> https://www.democracynow.org/…/trump_to_let_obamacare_fail_ … >>>> I'm guessing DN intended this as some kind of dig at Trump but the story tacitly reveals what a ridiculous choice pro-ObamaCare protesters are making when they should be pushing for Medicare for All (HR676) and highlighting what a fraud Sanders is for not bringing a Senate version of that bill to the Senate. >>>> >>>> Media >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJIhmB6YwU -- Donna Brazile, 2-time DNC higher-up, Democratic Party Superdelegate, "debate" cheater is writing a book. I might read this at the Library just for laughs. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrPG1fXhG3s -- one of the few places you'll hear even a mention of the ongoing DNC lawsuit (around 6m) in which the DNC has already admitted voting in its elections are a sham. MSM isn't covering it but neither is DN. If the Democrats really are a powerful group in the US, and American politics are worth following, this lawsuit has to be worth some ink/time as it has the power to enlighten people about how much the DNC doesn't care about its supporters' votes. >>>> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzhExLtRbAw -- RT is in the cross-hairs in "Russiagate", repeatedly mentioned as Russian propaganda source. I guess we're supposed to not see MSM as pro-war/pro-bank/Democratic Party propaganda. >>>> >>>> C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: >>>> >>>> Why did Obama suffer far less backlash than George W. Bush? Salon >>>> columnist David Sirota summarized an academic study released in 2013: >>>> “Evaluating surveys of more than 5,300 anti-war protestors from 2007 to >>>> 2009, the researchers discovered that the many protestors who >>>> self-identified as Democrats ‘withdrew from anti-war protests when the >>>> Democratic Party achieved electoral success’ in the 2008 presidential >>>> election.” >>>> >>>> I've long noticed this and pointed out how this is what separates AWARE from other so-called anti-war groups: AWARE protestors (certainly including you) rightly kept protesting during Obama's administration. >>>> >>>> The groups that organized the marches against the 2003 invasion of Iraq largely fell silent during the Obama administration in terms of street presence. I'm sure those groups' reps would tell us they're anti-war and they don't care who is in charge. But that is indefensible. Their choices to be silent against the drone war, for example, makes their choices indistinguishable from how you'd expect them to react out of partisanship. >>>> >>>> Now, should one see a huge ostensibly anti-war crowd, it will be right and proper to ask "How many of them are just anti-Republican versus being anti-war?". Being anti-Republican means the bodies aren't there in the streets during the next Democratic Party administration (if they haven't sunk themselves too far) and it means the next war is just 1 or 2 terms away: if the Republicans can't get away with executing the war, they'll leave it to the Democrats to initiate and then inherit on the next cycle. >>>> >>>> ### >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Peace mailing list >>>> Peace at lists.chambana.net >>>> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jul 28 11:25:52 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 11:25:52 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Google rigging and blocking websites....... Message-ID: * Print * Leaflet * Feedback * Share » Google rigs searches to block access to World Socialist Web Site 28 July 2017 An examination of web traffic data clearly shows that Internet giant Google is manipulating search results to block access to the World Socialist Web Site. In April, under the guise of combatting “fake news,” Google introduced new procedures that give extraordinary powers to unnamed “evaluators” to demote web pages and websites. These procedures have been used to exclude the WSWS and other anti-war and oppositional sites. Over the past three months, traffic originating from Google to the WSWS has fallen by approximately 70 percent. In key searches relevant to a wide range of topics the WSWS regularly covers—including US military operations and the threat of war, social conditions, inequality, and even socialism—the number of search impressions referencing the World Socialist Web Site has fallen drastically. An “impression” is a technical term referring to a link shown by Google in response to a search result. If a search for “socialism” leads a user’s computer to show one link to the WSWS, that counts as an impression. By manipulating the “search ranking” assigned to the pages of the WSWS, Google can drive its content lower down on the list of results. This reduces the total number of impressions, which, in turn, leads to a very low number of “clicks,” or visits to the site. According to Google’s Webmaster Tools Service, the number of daily impressions for the World Socialist Web Site fell from 467,890 to 138,275 over the past three months. The WSWS has analyzed data related to the results of specific searches between May and July, that is, the period after Google implemented its new website exclusion policies. During the month of May, Google searches including the word “war” produced 61,795 WSWS impressions. In July, WSWS impressions fell by approximately 90 percent, to 6,613. Searches for the term “Korean war” produced 20,392 impressions in May. In July, searches using the same words produced zero WSWS impressions. Searches for “North Korea war” produced 4,626 impressions in May. In July, the result of the same search produced zero WSWS impressions. “India Pakistan war” produced 4,394 impressions in May. In July, the result, again, was zero. And “Nuclear war 2017” produced 2,319 impressions in May, and zero in July. To cite some other searches: “WikiLeaks,” fell from 6,576 impressions to zero, “Julian Assange” fell from 3,701 impressions to zero, and “Laura Poitras” fell from 4,499 impressions to zero. A search for “Michael Hastings”—the reporter who died in 2013 under suspicious circumstances—produced 33,464 impressions in May, but only 5,227 impressions in July. In addition to geopolitics, the WSWS regularly covers a broad range of social issues, many of which have seen precipitous drops in search results. Searches for “food stamps,” “Ford layoffs,” “Amazon warehouse,” and “secretary of education” all went down from more than 5,000 impressions in May to zero impressions in July. The number of search impressions for WSWS articles in searches including the term “strike” fell by 85 percent between May and July, from 19,395 to 2,964. Many people who conduct Google searches for these terms do so because they are critical of establishment politics and would be interested in hearing what socialists have to say. However, as a result of Google’s actions, they will not find material published by the World Socialist Web Site. But what about those directly looking for socialist politics? In May, the search term “socialism” generated 31,696 impressions, and the WSWS was ranked between 5th and 6th in search results. In June, the WSWS was removed from the top 100 search results for the term. Thus searches for “socialism” produced zero impressions for the World Socialist Web Site, the most widely read online socialist publication. What about those who are already committed socialists, and want to find out more about Leon Trotsky? Here, too, the WSWS, published by the Trotskyist movement, is being blocked. While a query for “Leon Trotsky” resulted in 5,893 impressions in May, that number fell to zero in July. When the WSWS contacted Robert Epstein with our findings, the noted psychologist and Google critic concluded, “I have little doubt that Google demoted you.” Epstein said research that he and his colleagues conducted showed “the evidence is rock solid” that “Google is manipulating people through search suggestions.” The policy guiding these actions is made absolutely clear in the April 25, 2017 blog post by Google’s Vice President for Engineering, Ben Gomes, and the updated “Search Quality Rater Guidelines” published at the same time. The post refers to the need to flag and demote “unexpected offensive results, hoaxes and conspiracy theories”—broad and amorphous language used to exclude any oppositional content. The rater guidelines are even more explicit. The unnamed “evaluators” are instructed to flag as the “lowest” rating sites that have “factually inaccurate information to manipulate users in order to benefit a person, business, government, or other organization politically, monetarily, or otherwise.” The “lowest” rating is also to be given to a website that “presents unsubstantiated conspiracy theories or hoaxes as if the information were factual.” It is impossible to formulate a more explicit policy of suppression of free speech. These guidelines are written in a way to allow Google to demote or block a massive array of websites that are critical of the government and expose its lies. Who precisely is to determine what is “factually inaccurate information” or what constitutes an “unsubstantiated conspiracy theory”? It in effect bars all expression of opinions, other than those that are acceptable to Google and its allies in the state, particularly the Democratic Party. There is not a publication or journal worth reading that would not fall afoul of these “guidelines.” Adding to the cynicism of the new procedures is the fact that numerous sources have documented Google’s active involvement in supporting political candidates, specifically Hillary Clinton, by manipulating search results. In his recently published book, Move Fast and Break Things: How Facebook, Google, and Amazon cornered culture and undermined democracy, Jonathan Taplin documents the role of Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google’s parent company Alphabet, in founding a firm called The Groundwork to directly assist the Clinton campaign. Moreover, earlier this year, the European Commission exposed Google’s widespread, deliberate, and criminal manipulation of its search results to promote its own comparison shopping service to the detriment of its competitors. The company was fined $2.7 billion. In the name of combating “fake news,” Google is providing fake searches. It has been transformed from a search engine into an instrument of censorship. The WSWS will continue to expose Google’s unconstitutional attack on democratic rights. We demand that Google give a full accounting of its procedures, and that it identify who has been given the power to “evaluate” websites. All of Google’s algorithms must be placed in the public domain. Ultimately, the actions of Google provide yet another demonstration of the need to take the dissemination of information out of private control. Powerful search engines cannot be run by monopolies controlled by billionaire oligarchs. They must be placed under democratic control by the working population of the world. There is no question that Google’s action has blocked tens of thousands of people that normally would have found the WSWS from accessing the site. This is the aim. However, a very substantial portion of WSWS readers access the site directly, via social media, or through other search engines, which at least up to this point have not implemented rules that go as far as Google. The WSWS has a loyal and large base of readers and continues to record hundreds of thousands of individual visits a month. We will oppose Google’s political censorship, but we need your support. We are calling on our readers to become actively involved, to fight for the WSWS. Assist the distribution of WSWS articles. Post our content on social media. Email our articles to your friends and co-workers. Make Google’s actions as widely known as possible. Send us your email address so that you can receive daily updates of material from the WSWS. Leave a statement of opposition to the actions of Google. Finally, we are fighting one of the most powerful corporations, with the closest links to the government and vast resources. We need financial support to continue and expand our counteroffensive against censorship and the suppression of free speech. WSWS Editorial Board -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jul 28 13:51:40 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:51:40 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE ON THE AIR for Tuesday 25 July In-Reply-To: <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> References: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> Message-ID: There is some really good information here. Worth plowing through. I have one suggestion in relation to the media. Unless DN has Stephen Cohen, Noam Chomsky, Alan Nairn, or a few other notables, don’t bother. They will have a few good things, specifically related to domestic, but geopolitical is little different from mainstream media. The Real News with Aron Mate, or Paul Jay is worthwhile, online. RT.Com: Online but often a lot of interference. If one has a roku, which I recommend, one can download the ap “Pluto” and from there download RT, with Crosstalk three days a week, and Chris Hedges weekly “On Contact” Lee Camp is on Redacted Tonight offers humor with news, but after he is finished don’t waste time on his colleagues. With roku, and Pluto, one can access any of the shows any time, or just have streaming non stop. They have other programs as well, and one can avoid Larry King’s pandering to celebrity. On Jul 26, 2017, at 19:02, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace > wrote: (AWARE ON THE AIR didn't air this week, owing to indisposition; in its place we offer the following links and announcements.) Dr. Know’s Research Notes for Week 30 of 2017 | J. B. Nicholson | ================================================ -- Glenn Greenwald sits in for Jeremy Scahill and provides a much-needed analysis of 'Russiagate', the 2003 Iraq invasion/occupation, and how we see the same 'with us or against us' tactic used to separate those who go along (Samantha Bee, John Oliver, Daily Show, all of the other comedy news and latenight programs except RT's Redacted Tonight) and those who are to be viciously described (anyone who demands evidence). Ignore the edited intro piece and skip to Greenwald's talk, that intro is so blindly anti-Trump it doesn't convey anything of what Greenwald gets into -- he wants evidence to stand behind the allegations -- I'm pretty sure Greenwald didn't edit the intro piece. The second interview is better than the first. -- Looks like Stein is coming back into the news in some small degree. The article doesn't mention the Stein-led recount effort (and it should have) but the Democrats still added her to a list of 40 other people and groups Trump Jr. was told to detail communications with by the Senate Judiciary Committee. As the article put it: Every other person, business or organization on the list is a Russian government official, played some role on the Trump campaign, or are or are mentioned in stories about election hacking. There is no legitimate reason for Stein’s name to be on this list. She makes clear that she has had no contact with the Trump family or campaign. She is being thrown under the bus in a classic smear tactic. Russiagate has no evidence to back it up and never did, but it will have some added value for the Democrats in smearing Jill Stein and serving as a fake reason to justify hostility against Russia. -- 6 years after the Fukushima nuclear disaster, a small robot ("Little Sunfish") with a camera has footage showing melted nuclear fuel rods in reactor #3. This is a big deal because: - Teppco has a history of delaying pertinent news, lying about the scope of this disaster. - 1600+ people died of Fukushima-related causes. Cancers attributable to Fukushima are now coming up. We won't know the tally for years to come, but there's no way this will be good. Maybe in 40 years these reactors will be decommissioned. I'll bet that in time we'll learn that tainted water dumping has been going on throughout and it's wise to reconsider getting goods made in or near that water. - This is why nuclear activists like Dr. Helen Caldicott do their work and argue, convincingly, that we simply can't afford nuclear power. Caldicott is the author of many books including one of my favorites, "The New Nuclear Danger". At one talk she said "It seems that nearly a million people have already died as a result of Chernobyl despite what WHO says and the IAEA. This is one of the most monstrous cover-ups in the history of medicine because everybody should know about this." ( around 24s into the 9m recording which is worth watching), and the Fukushima disaster of Japan "many times worse than Chernobyl". She concisely covers the Fukushima reactors disaster and explains what happened, then points out that "Turkish food is extremely radioactive: Do not buy Turkish dried apricots, do not buy Turkish hazelnuts... The Turks were so cross with the Russians that they sent all their radioactive tea over to Russia after Chernobyl. 40% of Europe is still radioactive; farms in Britain, their land is so full of cesium they can't sell them." (5m59s). In another recording on YouTube she advises avoiding Japanese food for similar reasons: radioactive damage is cumulative over one's lifetime and the risk gets worse as you go through the seafood food chain (algae, crustaceans, little fish, big fish, humans) because each step concentrates more radioactive matter which seafood eaters end up consuming. Date Tue 20:44 I wrote: I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). [...] Speaking of Bernie Sanders and why I don't think much of him: is Paul Street's latest which goes into more on this topic. Worth reading. Russiagate -- Ray McGovern says DNC "hack" was inside job: speed of copying was too great to have been done over a network. Finally -- mention of a detail that not only makes sense but helps narrow down the set of people who know how the data was obtained. McGovern also says that someone on the inside could have had "some inside help of quite professional people" due to the obfuscation involved in trying to make this look like a foreign attack ('Russian hack') which is consistent with the CIA work WikiLeaks told us about as part of their "Vault 7" series of leaks. Why were no forensics done until recently, previously done only by private industry, and why were the servers involved not immediately seized for review? We were told this alleged foreign attack constitutes 'an act of war'. Is this behavior really consistent with something important enough to be called 'an act of war'? It's looking more likely that this: - was an inside job, - by Seth Rich (possibly working with someone else) who was later killed for his part in this, - the Russian govt. and Russian so-called "hackers" are a distraction, - and this could go quite high up: James Comey not getting the servers involved (even by force) suggests something else is going on. Do you honestly believe that if you or I had anything to do with this, we'd be free and have our computers intact now? Russian, Iran, and North Korean sanctions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMoawJ3xAAc -- Republicans are complicit with Dems on blocking Russia. The 2015 documentary "The Propaganda Game" shows how ineffective the past NK sanctions were: NK computer lab had all-new Hewlett-Packard computers snuck into NK. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHGUsD42190 -- If Trump doesn't veto sanctions bill, "he's given up on his presidency" says Ron Paul Institute Exec. Dir. Daniel McAdams. Media - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT0hL92xlrs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czrvklLsW0Y -- Joy Reid tweets xenophobic false line, somehow keeps her job at MSNBC (nicknamed "MSDNC" due to its one-sided reportage favoring the Dems). Also, in light of how the Dems reacted to Trump's xenophobic and false remarks, MSNBC ends up vindicating Trump's horrible language. Now others can complain about Trump's xenophobic wrong language but not Joy Reid and MSNBC would be wise to make some distance from her. I'm listening to Nick Brana (draftbernie.org representative) interview http://traffic.libsyn.com/ral…/NADER_174_podcast_version.mp3 (Ralph Nader Radio Hour with a DraftBernie.org representative) and Nader is nailing it on 3rd parties ("they can't win, the system is not responsive" and people "don't want to waste their vote"). https://draftbernie.org is the site intending to "Draft Bernie for a People's Party Seeks to Recruit Sanders to Start a New Political Party, Not to Run for President in 2020" (https://draftbernie.org/…/press-release-draft-bernie-peopl…/). They want this because "[d]espite Bernie Sanders’ monumental efforts to reform the Democratic Party, it remains firmly in neoliberal control". I have no problems with a new party starting, or with independent candidates running. But I don't see how running with a former candidate who is worse on major issues than Nader was is any start for a new party. Parties are known for candidates, not celebrities who aren't running. I'm not convinced Sanders is 'progressive' on major issues of the day, and that this isn't just another effort to drum up support for the Democratic Party (an issue the interview reveals is still being considered!). Sanders was (as BlackAgendaReport.com rightly put it) a shepherd for Hillary Clinton and lost all legitimacy in critiquing the Dems when he did that (and he did that without reservation, by the way). Today Sen. Sanders puts forth no Senate version of HR676 (Medicare for All) and mainly seems to give speeches instead of having his staff write bills for the Senate to implement his majoritarian values which make him seem like a good idea for being a POTUS candidate again. Sanders won't point out the Dems' weaknesses because he's working for them. Sanders is unwilling to object to war (his ought-to-be-seen-as-shameful 2016 "Meet the Press" interview is most revealing how go-along he is on this preeminent issue). Therefore I see no reason to take his endorsement as a pointer of someone I should vote for or give money to. I'd take such an endorsement as a warning. "War" seems absent from the draftbernie.org website in my searches so far (one mention is of a rally against war sponsored by an organization that is not draftbernie.org -- https://draftbernie.org/event/pittsburgh-march-war/ -- sponsored by Pittsburghers in Solidarity Against War). Branah says in the interview: - 3rd parties are not attacked "largely and most viciously at the takeoff stage to prevent them from taking off into something major in the first place". They're attacked throughout their existence. "Debate" denials by the CPD, ballot access restrictions are ongoing. And debatebernie.org has no real answer to do this. Ralph Nader's name was very well known when he ran in 2000 and the CPD kept him out. - people "feeling trapped" by the Democrats; yes, but that was also true in 2000 when Nader ran. It's not clear what changed that results in candidates in this new party to win elections. -J Hi Carl (or should I say Hey-Hey Ralphie boy!) I'm young enough to have seen all of those episodes in repeats, back when it was still beyond mainstream criticism to air a show that featured a running joke about a husband threatening to beat his wife ("To the Moon, Alice!"). By the way, the fellow who played Ed Norton in the Honeymooners was also in the "Star Wars Holiday Special" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3a5j8PgQxg which aired exactly once and was disowned by George Lucas afterwards. It was horrible from start to finish. The guys at RedLetterMedia.com reviewed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW4m0oYK0WQ (and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CtUd0yuYN4 ). There are no legally available copies of the SW Holiday Special. The same recording (including ads that aired at the time) have been passed around for years, and copies distributed at fan conventions. Nobody even sues to claim the rights to this thing, as far as I know. TheRealNews.com: I do like Aaron Mate's interviews; he seems to be the one who will ask about the changes in things I won't find many other places (including DN and sometimes RT's Ed show and certainly Larry King show which I find largely useless but I understand to be reliably popular ratings-wise). Media recommendation: In addition to anti-war.com, I do suggest RT for anti-war news in that they do a good job of showing the photos of decimated homes, interviewing victims, and laying out the financial costs which we could put elsewhere. They've also brought up the contradictions in what (I believe) will be a leading lie for an upcoming war with Russia: look at how those awful Russians "hacked our election" with that RT spreading their propaganda! I've seen some perfectly bad documentaries from RT (the "Wi-Fi refugees" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWMNTuIZqKo is a recent example; this takes only one side of the issue and conducts no double-blind tests to see if the claim of human sensitivity to Wi-Fi signals is at all valid, and fails to acknowledge the contradictions in some of the shots the doc shows like a "refugee" claiming to be feeling fine despite sitting in a modern vehicle with a sizable electronic camera sitting next to her shooting her) but I've also seen plenty of good coverage from them on important issues of the day (including some of the only DLC lawsuit coverage you'll find anywhere). Single-payer healthcare: my impression is that the only people opposed to Medicare for All (HR676 as a bill or the concept) are HMOs and people paid to take their side (shills on chat websites, lawyers, lobbyists). The public overwhelmingly supports this and it stands as more popular than the ACA/ObamaCare (neé RomneyCare). Business-wise, the only opposition I am aware of from big businesses is theoretical and described by Doug Henwood -- business owners see Medicare for All as taking away HMO's business and fear that their business can be taken away too if the state so desires. Therefore business owners side with the HMOs even if Medicare for All would save the business money and hassle of dealing with healthcare-related paperwork. I read this somewhere online, and I think I'm getting the jist of Henwood's argument here. Apologies: If the NYT can go back on the '17 intelligence agencies' lie they were pushing is indeed not true (as it was immediately known to be untrue by RT, Seymour Hersh, Glenn Greenwald, and plenty of others) then shouldn't HRC admit she was lying to us all during her most recent failed POTUS campaign? More on Israeli involvement with Syrian war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzg99i-mhAA -- Israel "colludes with groups that are part of chaos in Syria", activist says. -J Media: War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIeP4YDq1KY -- Corporate media silence helps Syrian war persist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i8i9Ra1NyE -- Boycott Israel, go to jail for 20 years and face a heavy fine. This sounds unconstitutional to me, more likely congress members who want to look good for AIPAC support. Media: Russiagate...the endless march toward "a nothing burger" (to quote a CNN host) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTo20JsVEY - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0ktz6miC9c Russiagate plods on and as RT's "Resident" (third link above) points out: if you believe ABC polls (despite having missed the POTUS prediction), then you should know the same poll that says Trump is looking at the lowest approval rate in 70 years also says only 37% of those polled (which they claim is a national poll) think the Democratic Party stands for anything. Instead they believe the Democratic Party only stands against the Republicans. While the fruitless Russiagate stories keep coming and the Dems are throwing away their chance to take up better legislation (like a Senate version of HR676, as the feckless Bernie Sanders said he'd do and hasn't done), they come off as standing for nothing. Meanwhile domestic problems worsen: many American cities have unpotable water (not just Flint, MI), healthcare delivery is going to go up in cost (regardless of which HMO-centric plan wins out), and worst of all: the Bush-Obama-Trump wars continue apace. No help for those suffering and dying from the equally craven Democrats. The first link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3XHKyTr4o) also has a very good point Aaron Maté makes (around 16m50s) regarding Clintonian hypocrisy where WJC made a $500k speaking gig in Russia while Sec. State HRC objected to Magnitsky restrictions which would have created a problem for WJC to make that speech for money. Wikileaks' leaked emails coming in handy again here too ("With the help of the research team, we killed a Bloomberg story trying to link HRC's opposition to the Magnitsky bill to a $500,000 speech that WJC gave in Moscow." from Jesse Lehrich jlehrich at hillaryclinton.com sent on 2015-05-21 at 20:49 -- https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/303 ). And in so doing taking down another less reliable source: Bloomberg News. Add it to the pile: NYT (war lies), WaPo (CIA outlet), MSNBC (DNC outlet, particularly Rachel Maddow show), CNN ("Russiagate" sans proof), and so much of the corporate mainstream for silence on closely examining HRC's campaign while endlessly critiquing ("Russiagate") without proof and being so far wrong without apology or explanation/reflection on predicting POTUS. It's no wonder the public distrusts MSM. Healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2G8CWDMSG8 -- 'Trump can't vote down Obamacare so he "strangling" it instead' according to TheRealNews.com. But if Trump merely lets Obamacare continue as-is it will become increasingly unaffordable and useless to the public (this interview says this is happening now in Republican governor states because there are over 1300 counties with only 1 insurer on the plan and there are some counties with 0 insurers on the plan). But the interviewee still supports the idea that Democrats are more likely to get the US to a single-payer system. There's no evidence offered for this bold assertion given that both Republicans and Democrats get HMO campaign money which I believe is why HR676 makes no real progress year after year. A small portion of the war budget would let us buy out the only organized opposition to universalizing Medicare. WikiLeaks Vault 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_hMxBFnuO0 - https://wikileaks.org/vault7/#UCL%20/%20Raytheon The WikiLeaks "Vault 7" releases continue and show more ties between private industry and government: Raytheon analyzed malware and gave information to the CIA, "by analyzing malware attacks in the wild and giving recommendations to the CIA development teams for further investigation and PoC [point of contact] development for their own malware projects.". War https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twd05sLtBw -- new Iranian sanctions mean carrying out more Obama-era war-fomenting policy against Iran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvOoE_I8bM -- 9-11 victims families push for British report to be released because they believe the report will name Saudi Arabia as source for 'terrorism funding' and 'complicity in terrorism'. Not much of a revelation but this would put Brits in a tough spot to object to being friendly with SA. Healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Z4iMulrYc -- John McCain's healthcare exposes sham of national debate on healthcare: we need the plan we pay for him to have. McCain's brain tumor (cancerous) is going to require even more care. The one big dodge of this interview: no mention that HR676 (Medicare for all) is more popular than ObamaCare and (as Trump said) ObamaCare will become unaffordable as it goes along. All HMO-based plans are designed to be more expensive over time. So there will come a time when even those who support ObamaCare now wouldn't be able to afford it if they had to rely on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vot4VgROlJ4 -- USPS labor union under fire as pressure to privatize USPS mounts; better discussion of healthcare debate nationally here than in previous piece ostensibly centered on healthcare(!), and wise warning about USPS going private: privatization means not every house will get postal service and that helps kill e-commerce. I bet he's right in this. https://www.democracynow.org/…/trump_to_let_obamacare_fail_… I'm guessing DN intended this as some kind of dig at Trump but the story tacitly reveals what a ridiculous choice pro-ObamaCare protesters are making when they should be pushing for Medicare for All (HR676) and highlighting what a fraud Sanders is for not bringing a Senate version of that bill to the Senate. Media https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXJIhmB6YwU -- Donna Brazile, 2-time DNC higher-up, Democratic Party Superdelegate, "debate" cheater is writing a book. I might read this at the Library just for laughs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrPG1fXhG3s -- one of the few places you'll hear even a mention of the ongoing DNC lawsuit (around 6m) in which the DNC has already admitted voting in its elections are a sham. MSM isn't covering it but neither is DN. If the Democrats really are a powerful group in the US, and American politics are worth following, this lawsuit has to be worth some ink/time as it has the power to enlighten people about how much the DNC doesn't care about its supporters' votes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzhExLtRbAw -- RT is in the cross-hairs in "Russiagate", repeatedly mentioned as Russian propaganda source. I guess we're supposed to not see MSM as pro-war/pro-bank/Democratic Party propaganda. C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss wrote: Why did Obama suffer far less backlash than George W. Bush? Salon columnist David Sirota summarized an academic study released in 2013: “Evaluating surveys of more than 5,300 anti-war protestors from 2007 to 2009, the researchers discovered that the many protestors who self-identified as Democrats ‘withdrew from anti-war protests when the Democratic Party achieved electoral success’ in the 2008 presidential election.” I've long noticed this and pointed out how this is what separates AWARE from other so-called anti-war groups: AWARE protestors (certainly including you) rightly kept protesting during Obama's administration. The groups that organized the marches against the 2003 invasion of Iraq largely fell silent during the Obama administration in terms of street presence. I'm sure those groups' reps would tell us they're anti-war and they don't care who is in charge. But that is indefensible. Their choices to be silent against the drone war, for example, makes their choices indistinguishable from how you'd expect them to react out of partisanship. Now, should one see a huge ostensibly anti-war crowd, it will be right and proper to ask "How many of them are just anti-Republican versus being anti-war?". Being anti-Republican means the bodies aren't there in the streets during the next Democratic Party administration (if they haven't sunk themselves too far) and it means the next war is just 1 or 2 terms away: if the Republicans can't get away with executing the war, they'll leave it to the Democrats to initiate and then inherit on the next cycle. ### _______________________________________________ Peace mailing list Peace at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was led on to it by the author's interview with the Canadian activist Justin Podur on his podcast Ossington Circle, which is also well worth a listen for those with the time and interest. The relationship between Chrystia Freeland and the Ukrainian lobby is particularly interesting. In the U.S., the Magnitsky Act was signed by Obama in 2012, and involves adoptions of Russian children. Canada’s proposed 'Magnitsky Act' and Canadian-Russian relations - New Cold War: Ukraine and Beyond Canada’s proposed 'Magnitsky Act' and Canadian-Russian relations - New C... New Cold War: Ukraine and beyond aims to provide accurate factual information about the Ukraine conflict and its... _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Fri Jul 28 16:20:54 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:20:54 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] =?iso-8859-1?q?Is=A0Extreme=A0Heat=A0the=A0New=A0?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Normal=3F?= Message-ID: Watch this video from The Real News Network, I think you'll find it interesting http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=19639 From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 17:33:07 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 17:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] U.S. continuous wars In-Reply-To: References: <15d89359944-111e-2b42c@webprd-a65.mail.aol.com> Message-ID: <318574271.1744275.1501263187369@mail.yahoo.com> Richard Slotkin developed these themes in a trilogy: (from Wikipedia) Regeneration Through Violence[edit] In Regeneration Through Violence: the Mythology of the American Frontier, 1600-1860 (Wesleyan University Press, 1973), the first of his trilogy on the mythology of the American West, Slotkin shows how the attitudes and traditions that shape American culture evolved from the social and psychological anxieties of European settlers struggling in a strange new world to claim the land and displace the Native Americans. Using the popular literature of the seventeenth, eighteenth, and early nineteenth centuries - including captivity narratives, the Daniel Boone tales, and the writings of Hawthorne, Thoreau, and Melville - Slotkin traces the full development of this myth into a national myth. The Fatal Environment[edit] In The Fatal Environment: the myth of the frontier in the age of industrialization, 1800-1890, (Atheneum, 1985) Slotkin demonstrates how the myth of frontier expansion and subjugation of the Indians helped to justify the course of America's rise to wealth and power. Using Custer's Last Stand as a metaphor for what Americans feared might happen if the frontier should be closed and the "savage" element be permitted to dominate the "civilized," Slotkin shows the emergence by 1890 of a myth redefined to help Americans respond to the confusion and strife of industrialization and imperial expansion. Gunfighter Nation[edit] In Gunfighter nation: the myth of the frontier in twentieth-century America (Atheneum, 1992), the concluding volume of his highly acclaimed trilogy, Slotkin draws on a wide range of sources to examine the pervasive influence of Wild West myths on American culture and politics. In the third of a three-volume study in the development of the myth of the frontier in US literary, popular, and political culture from the colonial period to the present, Slotkin covers the expression of the frontier myth in such popular culture phenomena as dime novels, Buffalo Bill's Wild West, the formula fiction of 1900-40, and the Hollywood film. Covering historiography, Slotkin also discusses the exploration of the significance of the American frontier experience in Theodore Roosevelt's The Winning of the West and Frederick Jackson Turner's The Significance of the Frontier in American History. On Fri Jul 28 2017 12:27:25 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), C G Estabrook wrote: It’s been pointed out that the brutal suppression of the Philippine Insurrection (1899-1902) - which Mark Twain and the Anti-Imperilaist League condemned - followed directly on what the US calls ‘the Indian wars’ - and both carried over into Vietnam, where the parts of S. Vietnam that the US military didn’t control were referred to as 'Indian country.’  Both of course were bound up with US imperialism in the Asia-Pacific (and Halford Mackinder). —CGE On Jul 28, 2017, at 7:39 AM, Mildred O'brien wrote: Do the western expansionist wars against Indigenous Americans count as war?  U.S. has conducted wars (?/battles) against the various tribes since its 18th century inception and before, since the colonial invasions.  I suppose government could be said to have incorporated a war mentality and a war economy, sacrificing its youth as well as foe.  Midge O'Brien -----Original Message----- From: C G Estabrook To: Francis A Boyle Cc: Karen Aram ; David Green ; David Johnson ; Whitney Rich ; tomasroyer ; Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga ; Nick G ; Stuart Levy ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien Sent: Thu, Jul 27, 2017 9:29 am Subject: Re: AWARE Anti-War Teach In Even the ‘Hydrocarbon War’ (1990-present) can be seen as just one aspect of US war-making since 1945, a period in which US presidents have killed more than 20 million people to maintain the world economic dominance that the US 1% inherited after World War II, the US being the only undamaged major country in 1945. US policy-makers since the “Open Door’ (1899) saw the greatest threat to the US economic elite to be the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices. (That’s what WWII in the Pacific was about.) Here the great gain was the destruction of the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere (and the atomic intimidation of the USSR at Hiroshima and Nagasaki) - and the great setback was 'the loss of China' in 1949. (That’s what the Vietnam War was about - the maintenance of US economic dominance in Asia-Pacific.) The Israeli attack on Egypt in 1967 destroyed secular Arab nationalism (and aided the rise of religious resistance - radical Islam - which was encouraged by the US, just as Israel encouraged Hamas against the the secular PLO). Israel's ’Six-Day War,’ in 1967, delivered control of Mideast energy resources ('hydrocarbons’) to the US. Israel, which the US had dismissed in the Suez Crisis a decade earlier, became the leading US client and the “stationary aircraft carrier” for US control of the Mideast. It’s control of - and not just access to - those hydrocarbons that the US insists upon. The US in fact imports little oil from the Mideast for domestic purposes: most of what the US uses at home comes from the the Atlantic basin - the US itself, Canada, Venezuela, and Nigeria. But control of the greatest source of world energy gives the US government a choke-hold over other economies that do depend on it, from Germany to China. (The Pentagon refers to this situation as “offshore control” of China - although some have suggested that the growth of renewables and the current China-Russia entente substantially reduces that offshore control - and fuels US war provocations against China, especially in the S. China Sea, as well as the TPP, in an alternate attempt to retard Chinese economic development.) A generation ago, US planners feared that popular revulsion at what the US had done in SE Asia (by 1969, 70% of Americans told pollsters that the US war in Vietnam was “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake”) would prevent US military operations to retard Asian development - the “Vietnam syndrome.” The Hydrocarbon War was also meant to control the only enemy the US ruling class really fears - the US public. After the First Gulf War, President Bush Sr., with his family’s characteristic candor, exclaimed, “...by God, we've kicked the Vietnam syndrome once and for all!” America’s WWII hegemony continues to decline relatively, as Eurasia develops and integrates economically. In response, the US political establishment produced the only president ever to be at war throughout two presidential terms: President Obama bombed eight countries and conducted what was correctly called 'The Most Extreme Terrorist Campaign of Modern Times' - his drone assassinations, with which he killed thousands, mostly civilians, including hundreds of children. The goal remained as it had been for more than a century: the world economic dominance of the US economic elite - particularly in regard to Eurasia - for which Mideast hydrocarbons were an instrument - perhaps increasingly ineffective. —CGE > On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Actually, we have been at war continuously since Bush Sr.’s War against Iraq to steal Persian Gulf Oil and Gas in 1990-1991—27 years. Thucydides looked at a series of wars on the Greek Peninsula over a period of 27 years and said, no, this is one war, which he called the Peloponnesian War. So what we have seen here for the past 27 years is not a series of wars, but one war: The Hydrocarbon War by the United States to steal the world’s oil and gas. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:51 PM > To: Karen Aram ; C G Estabrook ; David Green ; David Johnson ; Whitney Rich > Cc: tomasroyer at gmail.com; Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga ; Nick G ; Stuart Levy ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: RE: AWARE Anti-War Teach In > > Maybe we can think of this event as: > > “Light at the End of the Tunnel” > > After 16 years of war. > > Fab > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbw292002 at gmail.com Fri Jul 28 19:26:18 2017 From: jbw292002 at gmail.com (John W.) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:26:18 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Google rigging and blocking websites....... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are other search engines you can use, though they're not nearly as popular as Google. I use Goodsearch, which has the added advantage of donating money to my favorite charity each time I do a web search. John Wason On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 6:25 AM, Karen Aram via Peace < peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote: > > > > - Print > > - Leaflet > > - Feedback > > - Share » > > Google rigs searches to block access to World Socialist Web Site 28 July > 2017 > > An examination of web traffic data clearly shows that Internet giant > Google is manipulating search results to block access to the *World > Socialist Web Site.* > > In April, under the guise of combatting “fake news,” Google introduced new > procedures that give extraordinary powers to unnamed “evaluators” to demote > web pages and websites. These procedures have been used to exclude the WSWS > and other anti-war and oppositional sites. > > Over the past three months, traffic originating from Google to the WSWS > has fallen by approximately 70 percent. In key searches relevant to a wide > range of topics the WSWS regularly covers—including US military operations > and the threat of war, social conditions, inequality, and even > socialism—the number of search impressions referencing the *World > Socialist Web Site* has fallen drastically. > > An “impression” is a technical term referring to a link shown by Google in > response to a search result. If a search for “socialism” leads a user’s > computer to show one link to the WSWS, that counts as an impression. > > By manipulating the “search ranking” assigned to the pages of the WSWS, > Google can drive its content lower down on the list of results. This > reduces the total number of impressions, which, in turn, leads to a very > low number of “clicks,” or visits to the site. > > According to Google’s Webmaster Tools Service, the number of daily > impressions for the *World Socialist Web Site* fell from 467,890 to > 138,275 over the past three months. > > The WSWS has analyzed data related to the results of specific searches > between May and July, that is, the period after Google implemented its new > website exclusion policies. > > During the month of May, Google searches including the word “war” produced > 61,795 WSWS impressions. In July, WSWS impressions fell by approximately 90 > percent, to 6,613. > > Searches for the term “Korean war” produced 20,392 impressions in May. In > July, searches using the same words produced *zero* WSWS impressions. > Searches for “North Korea war” produced 4,626 impressions in May. In July, > the result of the same search produced *zero* WSWS impressions. “India > Pakistan war” produced 4,394 impressions in May. In July, the result, > again, was *zero*. And “Nuclear war 2017” produced 2,319 impressions in > May, and zero in July. > > To cite some other searches: “WikiLeaks,” fell from 6,576 impressions to > zero, “Julian Assange” fell from 3,701 impressions to zero, and “Laura > Poitras” fell from 4,499 impressions to zero. A search for “Michael > Hastings”—the reporter who died in 2013 under suspicious > circumstances—produced 33,464 impressions in May, but only 5,227 > impressions in July. > > In addition to geopolitics, the WSWS regularly covers a broad range of > social issues, many of which have seen precipitous drops in search results. > Searches for “food stamps,” “Ford layoffs,” “Amazon warehouse,” and > “secretary of education” all went down from more than 5,000 impressions in > May to zero impressions in July. > > The number of search impressions for WSWS articles in searches including > the term “strike” fell by 85 percent between May and July, from 19,395 to > 2,964. > > Many people who conduct Google searches for these terms do so because they > are critical of establishment politics and would be interested in hearing > what socialists have to say. However, as a result of Google’s actions, they > will not find material published by the *World Socialist Web Site*. > > But what about those directly looking for socialist politics? In May, the > search term “socialism” generated 31,696 impressions, and the WSWS was > ranked between 5th and 6th in search results. In June, the WSWS was removed > from the top 100 search results for the term. Thus searches for “socialism” > produced *zero* impressions for the *World Socialist Web Site*, the most > widely read online socialist publication. > > What about those who are already committed socialists, and want to find > out more about Leon Trotsky? Here, too, the WSWS, published by the > Trotskyist movement, is being blocked. While a query for “Leon Trotsky” > resulted in 5,893 impressions in May, that number fell to *zero* in July. > > When the WSWS contacted Robert Epstein with our findings, the noted > psychologist and Google critic concluded, “I have little doubt that Google > demoted you.” Epstein said research that he and his colleagues conducted > showed “the evidence is rock solid” that “Google is manipulating people > through search suggestions.” > > The policy guiding these actions is made absolutely clear in the April 25, > 2017 blog post by Google’s Vice President for Engineering, Ben Gomes, and > the updated “Search Quality Rater Guidelines” published at the same time. > The post refers to the need to flag and demote “unexpected offensive > results, hoaxes and conspiracy theories”—broad and amorphous language used > to exclude any oppositional content. > > The rater guidelines are even more explicit. The unnamed “evaluators” are > instructed to flag as the “lowest” rating sites that have “factually > inaccurate information to manipulate users in order to benefit a person, > business, government, or other organization politically, monetarily, or > otherwise.” The “lowest” rating is also to be given to a website that > “presents unsubstantiated conspiracy theories or hoaxes as if the > information were factual.” > > It is impossible to formulate a more explicit policy of suppression of > free speech. These guidelines are written in a way to allow Google to > demote or block a massive array of websites that are critical of the > government and expose its lies. > > Who precisely is to determine what is “factually inaccurate information” > or what constitutes an “unsubstantiated conspiracy theory”? It in effect > bars all expression of opinions, other than those that are acceptable to > Google and its allies in the state, particularly the Democratic Party. > There is not a publication or journal worth reading that would not fall > afoul of these “guidelines.” > > Adding to the cynicism of the new procedures is the fact that numerous > sources have documented Google’s active involvement in supporting political > candidates, specifically Hillary Clinton, by manipulating search results. > In his recently published book, *Move Fast and Break Things: How > Facebook, Google, and Amazon cornered culture and undermined democracy*, > Jonathan Taplin documents the role of Eric Schmidt, the CEO of Google’s > parent company Alphabet, in founding a firm called The Groundwork to > directly assist the Clinton campaign. > > Moreover, earlier this year, the European Commission exposed Google’s > widespread, deliberate, and criminal manipulation of its search results to > promote its own comparison shopping service to the detriment of its > competitors. The company was fined $2.7 billion. > > In the name of combating “fake news,” Google is providing fake searches. > It has been transformed from a search engine into an instrument of > censorship. > > The WSWS will continue to expose Google’s unconstitutional attack on > democratic rights. We demand that Google give a full accounting of its > procedures, and that it identify who has been given the power to “evaluate” > websites. All of Google’s algorithms must be placed in the public domain. > > Ultimately, the actions of Google provide yet another demonstration of the > need to take the dissemination of information out of private control. > Powerful search engines cannot be run by monopolies controlled by > billionaire oligarchs. They must be placed under democratic control by the > working population of the world. > > There is no question that Google’s action has blocked tens of thousands of > people that normally would have found the WSWS from accessing the site. > This is the aim. However, a very substantial portion of WSWS readers access > the site directly, via social media, or through other search engines, which > at least up to this point have not implemented rules that go as far as > Google. > > The WSWS has a loyal and large base of readers and continues to record > hundreds of thousands of individual visits a month. We will oppose Google’s > political censorship, but we need your support. > > We are calling on our readers to become actively involved, to fight for > the WSWS. Assist the distribution of WSWS articles. Post our content on > social media. Email our articles to your friends and co-workers. Make > Google’s actions as widely known as possible. > > Send us your email address > so that you can > receive daily updates of material from the WSWS. Leave a statement of > opposition to the actions of Google. Finally, we are fighting one of the > most powerful corporations, with the closest links to the government and > vast resources. We need financial support > to continue and expand our > counteroffensive against censorship and the suppression of free speech. > > WSWS Editorial Board > > _______________________________________________ > Peace mailing list > Peace at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brussel at illinois.edu Fri Jul 28 20:53:20 2017 From: brussel at illinois.edu (Brussel, Morton K) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 20:53:20 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] U.S. continuous wars In-Reply-To: <318574271.1744275.1501263187369@mail.yahoo.com> References: <15d89359944-111e-2b42c@webprd-a65.mail.aol.com> <318574271.1744275.1501263187369@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7258F889-C8EF-4F73-BE69-B7E38CDA9341@illinois.edu> Does one have to read these tomes to come to their conclusions? But kudos to Slotkin for having studied the issue. If there was time, I’d look them up. —mkb On Jul 28, 2017, at 12:33 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss > wrote: Richard Slotkin developed these themes in a trilogy: (from Wikipedia) Regeneration Through Violence[edit] In Regeneration Through Violence: the Mythology of the American Frontier, 1600-1860 (Wesleyan University Press, 1973), the first of his trilogy on the mythology of the American West, Slotkin shows how the attitudes and traditions that shape American culture evolved from the social and psychological anxieties of European settlers struggling in a strange new world to claim the land and displace the Native Americans. Using the popular literature of the seventeenth, eighteenth, and early nineteenth centuries - including captivity narratives, the Daniel Boone tales, and the writings of Hawthorne, Thoreau, and Melville - Slotkin traces the full development of this myth into a national myth. The Fatal Environment[edit] In The Fatal Environment: the myth of the frontier in the age of industrialization, 1800-1890, (Atheneum, 1985) Slotkin demonstrates how the myth of frontier expansion and subjugation of the Indians helped to justify the course of America's rise to wealth and power. Using Custer's Last Stand as a metaphor for what Americans feared might happen if the frontier should be closed and the "savage" element be permitted to dominate the "civilized," Slotkin shows the emergence by 1890 of a myth redefined to help Americans respond to the confusion and strife of industrialization and imperial expansion. Gunfighter Nation[edit] In Gunfighter nation: the myth of the frontier in twentieth-century America (Atheneum, 1992), the concluding volume of his highly acclaimed trilogy, Slotkin draws on a wide range of sources to examine the pervasive influence of Wild West myths on American culture and politics. In the third of a three-volume study in the development of the myth of the frontier in US literary, popular, and political culture from the colonial period to the present, Slotkin covers the expression of the frontier myth in such popular culture phenomena as dime novels, Buffalo Bill's Wild West, the formula fiction of 1900-40, and the Hollywood film. Covering historiography, Slotkin also discusses the exploration of the significance of the American frontier experience in Theodore Roosevelt's The Winning of the West and Frederick Jackson Turner's The Significance of the Frontier in American History. On Fri Jul 28 2017 12:27:25 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), C G Estabrook > wrote: It’s been pointed out that the brutal suppression of the Philippine Insurrection (1899-1902) - which Mark Twain and the Anti-Imperilaist League condemned - followed directly on what the US calls ‘the Indian wars’ - and both carried over into Vietnam, where the parts of S. Vietnam that the US military didn’t control were referred to as 'Indian country.’ Both of course were bound up with US imperialism in the Asia-Pacific (and Halford Mackinder). —CGE On Jul 28, 2017, at 7:39 AM, Mildred O'brien > wrote: Do the western expansionist wars against Indigenous Americans count as war? U.S. has conducted wars (?/battles) against the various tribes since its 18th century inception and before, since the colonial invasions. I suppose government could be said to have incorporated a war mentality and a war economy, sacrificing its youth as well as foe. Midge O'Brien -----Original Message----- From: C G Estabrook > To: Francis A Boyle > Cc: Karen Aram >; David Green >; David Johnson >; Whitney Rich >; tomasroyer >; Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga >; Nick G >; Stuart Levy >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien > Sent: Thu, Jul 27, 2017 9:29 am Subject: Re: AWARE Anti-War Teach In Even the ‘Hydrocarbon War’ (1990-present) can be seen as just one aspect of US war-making since 1945, a period in which US presidents have killed more than 20 million people to maintain the world economic dominance that the US 1% inherited after World War II, the US being the only undamaged major country in 1945. US policy-makers since the “Open Door’ (1899) saw the greatest threat to the US economic elite to be the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices. (That’s what WWII in the Pacific was about.) Here the great gain was the destruction of the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere (and the atomic intimidation of the USSR at Hiroshima and Nagasaki) - and the great setback was 'the loss of China' in 1949. (That’s what the Vietnam War was about - the maintenance of US economic dominance in Asia-Pacific.) The Israeli attack on Egypt in 1967 destroyed secular Arab nationalism (and aided the rise of religious resistance - radical Islam - which was encouraged by the US, just as Israel encouraged Hamas against the the secular PLO). Israel's ’Six-Day War,’ in 1967, delivered control of Mideast energy resources ('hydrocarbons’) to the US. Israel, which the US had dismissed in the Suez Crisis a decade earlier, became the leading US client and the “stationary aircraft carrier” for US control of the Mideast. It’s control of - and not just access to - those hydrocarbons that the US insists upon. The US in fact imports little oil from the Mideast for domestic purposes: most of what the US uses at home comes from the the Atlantic basin - the US itself, Canada, Venezuela, and Nigeria. But control of the greatest source of world energy gives the US government a choke-hold over other economies that do depend on it, from Germany to China. (The Pentagon refers to this situation as “offshore control” of China - although some have suggested that the growth of renewables and the current China-Russia entente substantially reduces that offshore control - and fuels US war provocations against China, especially in the S. China Sea, as well as the TPP, in an alternate attempt to retard Chinese economic development.) A generation ago, US planners feared that popular revulsion at what the US had done in SE Asia (by 1969, 70% of Americans told pollsters that the US war in Vietnam was “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake”) would prevent US military operations to retard Asian development - the “Vietnam syndrome.” The Hydrocarbon War was also meant to control the only enemy the US ruling class really fears - the US public. After the First Gulf War, President Bush Sr., with his family’s characteristic candor, exclaimed, “...by God, we've kicked the Vietnam syndrome once and for all!” America’s WWII hegemony continues to decline relatively, as Eurasia develops and integrates economically. In response, the US political establishment produced the only president ever to be at war throughout two presidential terms: President Obama bombed eight countries and conducted what was correctly called 'The Most Extreme Terrorist Campaign of Modern Times' - his drone assassinations, with which he killed thousands, mostly civilians, including hundreds of children. The goal remained as it had been for more than a century: the world economic dominance of the US economic elite - particularly in regard to Eurasia - for which Mideast hydrocarbons were an instrument - perhaps increasingly ineffective. —CGE > On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: > > Actually, we have been at war continuously since Bush Sr.’s War against Iraq to steal Persian Gulf Oil and Gas in 1990-1991—27 years. Thucydides looked at a series of wars on the Greek Peninsula over a period of 27 years and said, no, this is one war, which he called the Peloponnesian War. So what we have seen here for the past 27 years is not a series of wars, but one war: The Hydrocarbon War by the United States to steal the world’s oil and gas. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:51 PM > To: Karen Aram >; C G Estabrook >; David Green >; David Johnson >; Whitney Rich > > Cc: tomasroyer at gmail.com; Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga >; Nick G >; Stuart Levy >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien > > Subject: RE: AWARE Anti-War Teach In > > Maybe we can think of this event as: > > “Light at the End of the Tunnel” > > After 16 years of war. > > Fab > > _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davegreen84 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 28 22:11:16 2017 From: davegreen84 at yahoo.com (David Green) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 22:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Peace-discuss] U.S. continuous wars In-Reply-To: <7258F889-C8EF-4F73-BE69-B7E38CDA9341@illinois.edu> References: <15d89359944-111e-2b42c@webprd-a65.mail.aol.com> <318574271.1744275.1501263187369@mail.yahoo.com> <7258F889-C8EF-4F73-BE69-B7E38CDA9341@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <1567632479.1978240.1501279876938@mail.yahoo.com> Actually Mort, Slotkin did this research on the side from being a nuclear physicist; no, just kidding. On Fri Jul 28 2017 15:53:36 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), Brussel, Morton K wrote: Does one have to read these tomes to come to their conclusions?  But kudos to Slotkin for having studied the issue. If there was time, I’d look them up.—mkb On Jul 28, 2017, at 12:33 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: Richard Slotkin developed these themes in a trilogy: (from Wikipedia) Regeneration Through Violence[edit] In Regeneration Through Violence: the Mythology of the American Frontier, 1600-1860 (Wesleyan University Press, 1973), the first of his trilogy on the mythology of the American West, Slotkin shows how the attitudes and traditions that shape American culture evolved from the social and psychological anxieties of European settlers struggling in a strange new world to claim the land and displace the Native Americans. Using the popular literature of the seventeenth, eighteenth, and early nineteenth centuries - including captivity narratives, the Daniel Boone tales, and the writings of Hawthorne, Thoreau, and Melville - Slotkin traces the full development of this myth into a national myth. The Fatal Environment[edit] In The Fatal Environment: the myth of the frontier in the age of industrialization, 1800-1890, (Atheneum, 1985) Slotkin demonstrates how the myth of frontier expansion and subjugation of the Indians helped to justify the course of America's rise to wealth and power. Using Custer's Last Stand as a metaphor for what Americans feared might happen if the frontier should be closed and the "savage" element be permitted to dominate the "civilized," Slotkin shows the emergence by 1890 of a myth redefined to help Americans respond to the confusion and strife of industrialization and imperial expansion. Gunfighter Nation[edit] In Gunfighter nation: the myth of the frontier in twentieth-century America (Atheneum, 1992), the concluding volume of his highly acclaimed trilogy, Slotkin draws on a wide range of sources to examine the pervasive influence of Wild West myths on American culture and politics. In the third of a three-volume study in the development of the myth of the frontier in US literary, popular, and political culture from the colonial period to the present, Slotkin covers the expression of the frontier myth in such popular culture phenomena as dime novels, Buffalo Bill's Wild West, the formula fiction of 1900-40, and the Hollywood film. Covering historiography, Slotkin also discusses the exploration of the significance of the American frontier experience in Theodore Roosevelt's The Winning of the West and Frederick Jackson Turner's The Significance of the Frontier in American History. On Fri Jul 28 2017 12:27:25 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time), C G Estabrook wrote: It’s been pointed out that the brutal suppression of the Philippine Insurrection (1899-1902) - which Mark Twain and the Anti-Imperilaist League condemned - followed directly on what the US calls ‘the Indian wars’ - and both carried over into Vietnam, where the parts of S. Vietnam that the US military didn’t control were referred to as 'Indian country.’  Both of course were bound up with US imperialism in the Asia-Pacific (and Halford Mackinder). —CGE On Jul 28, 2017, at 7:39 AM, Mildred O'brien wrote: Do the western expansionist wars against Indigenous Americans count as war?  U.S. has conducted wars (?/battles) against the various tribes since its 18th century inception and before, since the colonial invasions.  I suppose government could be said to have incorporated a war mentality and a war economy, sacrificing its youth as well as foe.  Midge O'Brien -----Original Message----- From: C G Estabrook To: Francis A Boyle Cc: Karen Aram ; David Green ; David Johnson ; Whitney Rich ; tomasroyer ; Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga ; Nick G ; Stuart Levy ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien Sent: Thu, Jul 27, 2017 9:29 am Subject: Re: AWARE Anti-War Teach In Even the ‘Hydrocarbon War’ (1990-present) can be seen as just one aspect of US war-making since 1945, a period in which US presidents have killed more than 20 million people to maintain the world economic dominance that the US 1% inherited after World War II, the US being the only undamaged major country in 1945. US policy-makers since the “Open Door’ (1899) saw the greatest threat to the US economic elite to be the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices. (That’s what WWII in the Pacific was about.) Here the great gain was the destruction of the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere (and the atomic intimidation of the USSR at Hiroshima and Nagasaki) - and the great setback was 'the loss of China' in 1949. (That’s what the Vietnam War was about - the maintenance of US economic dominance in Asia-Pacific.) The Israeli attack on Egypt in 1967 destroyed secular Arab nationalism (and aided the rise of religious resistance - radical Islam - which was encouraged by the US, just as Israel encouraged Hamas against the the secular PLO). Israel's ’Six-Day War,’ in 1967, delivered control of Mideast energy resources ('hydrocarbons’) to the US. Israel, which the US had dismissed in the Suez Crisis a decade earlier, became the leading US client and the “stationary aircraft carrier” for US control of the Mideast. It’s control of - and not just access to - those hydrocarbons that the US insists upon. The US in fact imports little oil from the Mideast for domestic purposes: most of what the US uses at home comes from the the Atlantic basin - the US itself, Canada, Venezuela, and Nigeria. But control of the greatest source of world energy gives the US government a choke-hold over other economies that do depend on it, from Germany to China. (The Pentagon refers to this situation as “offshore control” of China - although some have suggested that the growth of renewables and the current China-Russia entente substantially reduces that offshore control - and fuels US war provocations against China, especially in the S. China Sea, as well as the TPP, in an alternate attempt to retard Chinese economic development.) A generation ago, US planners feared that popular revulsion at what the US had done in SE Asia (by 1969, 70% of Americans told pollsters that the US war in Vietnam was “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake”) would prevent US military operations to retard Asian development - the “Vietnam syndrome.” The Hydrocarbon War was also meant to control the only enemy the US ruling class really fears - the US public. After the First Gulf War, President Bush Sr., with his family’s characteristic candor, exclaimed, “...by God, we've kicked the Vietnam syndrome once and for all!” America’s WWII hegemony continues to decline relatively, as Eurasia develops and integrates economically. In response, the US political establishment produced the only president ever to be at war throughout two presidential terms: President Obama bombed eight countries and conducted what was correctly called 'The Most Extreme Terrorist Campaign of Modern Times' - his drone assassinations, with which he killed thousands, mostly civilians, including hundreds of children. The goal remained as it had been for more than a century: the world economic dominance of the US economic elite - particularly in regard to Eurasia - for which Mideast hydrocarbons were an instrument - perhaps increasingly ineffective. —CGE > On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: > > Actually, we have been at war continuously since Bush Sr.’s War against Iraq to steal Persian Gulf Oil and Gas in 1990-1991—27 years. Thucydides looked at a series of wars on the Greek Peninsula over a period of 27 years and said, no, this is one war, which he called the Peloponnesian War. So what we have seen here for the past 27 years is not a series of wars, but one war: The Hydrocarbon War by the United States to steal the world’s oil and gas. Fab. > > Francis A. Boyle > Law Building > 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. > Champaign IL 61820 USA > 217-333-7954 (phone) > 217-244-1478 (fax) > (personal comments only) > > From: Boyle, Francis A > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:51 PM > To: Karen Aram ; C G Estabrook ; David Green ; David Johnson ; Whitney Rich > Cc: tomasroyer at gmail.com; Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga ; Nick G ; Stuart Levy ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien > Subject: RE: AWARE Anti-War Teach In > > Maybe we can think of this event as: > > “Light at the End of the Tunnel” > > After 16 years of war. > > Fab > > _______________________________________________ Peace-discuss mailing list Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Two years earlier, the British had evacuated nearly 340,000 men from the beaches of Dunkirk in just nine days. The U.S. Air Force had many thousands of new planes. During even a brief armistice, the Allies could have airlifted and transported refugees in very large numbers out of the German sphere.” In other words, the story of Dunkirk, the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of soldiers, is a story of how the Allies treated people they had some use for, and a demonstration of how they could have treated other people if they had had any use for them. Since the moment the war ended, the U.S. military has had enormous use for those it callously allowed the Nazis to murder. They have been front and center in the argument for war after war after war. Since World War II, during what U.S. academics think of as a period of unprecedented peace, the United States military has killed some 20 million people, overthrown at least 36 governments, interfered in 81 foreign elections, attempted to assassinate over 50 foreign leaders, and dropped bombs on people in over 30 countries. This extravaganza of criminal killing is documented here. But it isn’t much of a secret. To my knowledge, every single military assault has involved a reference to a new Hitler and a passionate plea to retroactively save his victims. Of course the humanitarian consequences have differed dramatically from those stated intentions. Somehow I doubt any of that is mentioned in the Dunkirk film. https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/07/28/whats-missing-from-dunkirk/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you want to talk about the relation between religion and politics, I’d suggest the lectures by British critic Terry Eagleton, "Reason, Faith, and Revolution: Reflections on the God Debate” (Yale UP, 2010). Eagleton discusses the matter with particular reference to Richard Dawkins and the late Christopher Hitchens. It would make an interesting AWARE discussion group. —CGE > On Jul 29, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 30 10:27:35 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 05:27:35 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Would you prefer some alt-facts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is there a confirmation bias among people who believe in confirmation bias? That is, are they "urged to believe only things that confirm what they already believe to be true” - notably, the prevalence of confirmation bias? There may be a risk of infinite regress here (i.e., a confirmation bias in favor of a confirmation bias for the prevalence of confirmation bias - und so weiter...) that may consume itself, Phoenix-like, and leave us only ashes. That may suggest we attend more to the substance of the beliefs rather than to the psychology of those who hold them. Ideas are not responsible for the people who believe in them. —CGE > On Jul 29, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Szoke, Ron via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As reported in The Nation magazine on April 3, 2017, “Our country boasts an infrastruc- ture of global surveillance, flying killer robots, and floating aircraft carriers, all administered from a network of more than 800 military bases in over 70 countries. And today we allow the president to make war almost anytime, anywhere, for any reason.” Over the years, our military- industrial complex has become a consolidation of power and wealth that serves only the wealthiest few. The corporate world benefits through defense contracts totaling $600 billion this year as they line up outside the Pentagon like “pigs at the trough” waiting for their economic stimulus package. Raytheon, the fourthlargest military contractor in the United States and the world’s leading producer of guided missiles, received 90 percent of its revenues in 2015 from the federal government. In that year, Raytheon CEO Thomas Kennedy received $20.4 million in total compensation. Some call this socialism for the rich while only the naive believe in the existence of free market capitalism. Among the large military contractors this is the norm, according to Nick Turse, author of “The Changing Face of Empire.” Today, President Donald Trump and our Republican Congress want to increase the defense budget by $70 billion, bringing the total just under $700 billion. My fellow Americans, welcome to our society that is governed and controlled by corporations. MIKE WOODS rural Champaign -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cge at shout.net Sun Jul 30 15:54:38 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:54:38 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] AWARE weekly meeting, Sunday 30 July, 5pm In-Reply-To: <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> References: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> Message-ID: (I regret I'll be unable to attend tonight's meeting.) The following events will take place this week inshallah: ~ AWARE ON THE AIR will be recorded at noon on Tuesday 1 August in the Urbana Public Television studios, 400 S. Vine St., Urbana; members and friends of AWARE are invited to participate in this hour of unrehearsed discussion of US war-making; the program is seen on local cable TV and YouTube. ~ MONTHLY ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATION at the corner of Main and Neil streets in Champaign (we used to call it 'the Main event'); an informational flyer on US war-making will be prepared for distribution; suggestions are welcome. ### From cge at shout.net Sun Jul 30 16:14:41 2017 From: cge at shout.net (C. G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:14:41 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] [Prairiegreens] AWARE weekly meeting, Sunday 30 July, 5pm In-Reply-To: References: <05DFFC44-9BDD-476C-AAC4-BA22A1FA8743@illinois.edu> <2A685611-01FA-4322-A232-9DA00E443CAA@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <483cc8ccebc96fef814df582f4cefa01@shout.net> The demonstration is Saturday 5 August 2-4pm. > The following events will take place this week inshallah: > > ~ AWARE ON THE AIR will be recorded at noon on Tuesday 1 August in the > Urbana Public Television studios, 400 S. Vine St., Urbana; members and > friends of AWARE are invited to participate in this hour of > unrehearsed discussion of US war-making; the program is seen on local > cable TV and YouTube. > > ~ MONTHLY ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATION at the corner of Main and Neil > streets in Champaign (we used to call it 'the Main event'); an > informational flyer on US war-making will be prepared for > distribution; suggestions are welcome. > > ### From galliher at illinois.edu Sun Jul 30 16:20:54 2017 From: galliher at illinois.edu (Carl G. Estabrook) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:20:54 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Glen Ford on Trump/Syria In-Reply-To: <430990649.2980875.1501428665081@mail.yahoo.com> References: <430990649.2980875.1501428665081.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <430990649.2980875.1501428665081@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is ... likely that Trump’s gaggle of White House generals, led by Secretary of Defense James “Mad Dog” Mattis and national security advisor H.R. McMaster, have kept the Pentagon in check, preventing a reprise of the mutiny that sabotaged President Obama’s cease-fire and intelligence-sharing agreement with Russian forces in Syria, on September 17 of last year. In a blatant rebellion against civilian authority, U.S. warplanes killed 100 Syrian soldiers at Deir Ez-Zor, allowing ISIS to overrun half the city. The next week, with Secretary of Defense Ash Carter at his side, Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Joseph Dunford told the Senate Armed Services Committee, “The U.S. military role will not include intelligence sharing with the Russians." The Pentagon had “punked” lame duck President Barack Obama and his secretary of state, John Kerry. Donald Trump took note, and surrounded himself with generals before setting foot in the White House ... Trump this summer defied the War Party and its corporate media mouthpieces, negotiating a cease-fire with the Russians in several regions of Syria, to be followed by additional truces, and ending the CIA’s not-so-covert role as Grandmaster of Islamic Jihad. It seemed…unreal... > On Jul 30, 2017, at 10:31 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Despite his apparent vow of semi-silence on the CIA front, Trump could not resist a Twitter retort. “The Amazon Washington Post fabricated the facts on my ending massive, dangerous, and wasteful payments to Syrian rebels fighting Assad,” he wrote, effectively declassifying the now-defunct (are we sure?) CIA terror campaign. > > Donald Trump has taken the strangest, messiest, “play-crazy” (or just plain crazy) route imaginable towards fulfilling his campaign pledge to curtail Washington’s urge to regime change, and to ease tensions with Russia. His presidency has been six months of pain and confusion. > > But, if Hillary Clinton had been elected, we might all be dead. > > https://blackagendareport.com/trump_faces_down_cia > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Sun Jul 30 17:22:08 2017 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:22:08 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Hydrocarbon War and Sanctions In-Reply-To: <41AEB43B-1A2F-44D6-BD0F-FB9122E586E3@gmail.com> References: <41AEB43B-1A2F-44D6-BD0F-FB9122E586E3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3A2F6147-C125-4B87-9039-7288DD267AAF@gmail.com> > [Pepe Escobar] Economic war has been declared against Russia for at least three years now ... this latest [sanctions] package also declares economic war against Europe, especially Germany. That centers on the energy front, by demonizing the implementation of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline and forcing the EU to buy US natural gas. Make no mistake; the EU leadership will counterpunch… ...Moscow, among other actions, will retaliate by banning all American IT companies and all US agricultural products from the Russian market, as well as exporting titanium to Boeing (30% of which comes from Russia). On the Russia-China strategic partnership front, trying to restrict Russia-EU energy deals will only allow more currency swaps between the ruble and the yuan; a key plank of the post-US dollar multipolar world. ...Even without considering the stellar historical record of Washington not only meddling but bombing and regime-changing vast swathes of the planet — from Iraq and Libya to the current threats against Iran, Venezuela and North Korea — the Russia-gate hysteria about meddling in the 2016 US presidential election is a non-story, by now thoroughly debunked. The heart of the matter is, once again, energy wars. ...the message in these sanctions is the EU has no future unless it buys US natural gas to cut out Russia. To deny Russia the natural gas market of the EU was the goal behind the just lost war in Syria to put the Qatar-Saudi Arabia-Syria-Turkey-EU pipeline in and the opening to Iran for an Iran-Iraq-Syria-Turkey-EU pipeline. None of these plans worked. ...the 2014 oil price war against Russia, orchestrated by the dumping of Gulf States' surplus oil or reserve capacity on the world market. Since this has failed to bring Russia to its knees, the destruction of the Russian natural gas market in the EU has become a national priority for the United States. As it stands, 30% of all EU oil and natural gas imports come from Russia. In parallel, the Russia-China energy partnership is being progressively enhanced. Russia is already geared to increase oil and gas exports to China and Asia as a whole. The leadership in Berlin is now convinced that Washington is jeopardizing Germany's energy diversification/energy security via the sanctions war. Russian natural gas and oil is secured by overland routes and is not dependent on the oceans, which are no longer under United States control. If Russia in response to United States belligerency ... redirects all its natural gas and oil exports to China and Asia, Europe will be utterly dependent on largely insecure sources of natural gas and oil such as the Middle East and Africa. And that bring us to the "nuclear" possibility in the horizon; a Germany-Russia alignment in a Reinsurance Treaty, as first established by Bismarck. CIA-related US Think Tankland is now actively discussing the possibility. ...The United States has had enough of Germany and what it considers dumping of German products on the United States through rigged currency. They are now threatening Germany with sanctions, and there is nothing Germany can do with the EU on their back facing vetoes from Poland, who is giving them trouble once again. The fools in Congress are really going after Germany, and throwing Germany in the arms of Russia. A possible Germany-Russia alliance ... rounds up the China/Russia/Germany entente capable of reorganizing the entire Eurasian land mass. The Russia-China strategic partnership is extremely attractive to German business, as it smoothes access via the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). ...the US is at war with China and Russia (but not Trump, our President) and Germany is having second thoughts about being nuclear cannon fodder for the US... in Germany, they are thinking of renewing the Reinsurance Treaty with Russia. No one trusts this US Congress; it is considered a lunatic asylum. Merkel may be asked to leave for the leadership of the UN, and then the treaty would be signed. It will shake the world and end any thought of the United States being a global power, which it isn't anymore... > On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:29 AM, C G Estabrook wrote: > > Even the ‘Hydrocarbon War’ (1990-present) can be seen as just one aspect of US war-making since 1945, a period in which US presidents have killed more than 20 million people to maintain the world economic dominance that the US 1% inherited after World War II, the US being the only undamaged major country in 1945. > > US policy-makers since the “Open Door’ (1899) saw the greatest threat to the US economic elite to be the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices. (That’s what WWII in the Pacific was about.) Here the great gain was the destruction of the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere (and the atomic intimidation of the USSR at Hiroshima and Nagasaki) - and the great setback was 'the loss of China' in 1949. (That’s what the Vietnam War was about - the maintenance of US economic dominance in Asia-Pacific.) > > The Israeli attack on Egypt in 1967 destroyed secular Arab nationalism (and aided the rise of religious resistance - radical Islam - which was encouraged by the US, just as Israel encouraged Hamas against the the secular PLO). Israel's ’Six-Day War,’ in 1967, delivered control of Mideast energy resources ('hydrocarbons’) to the US. Israel, which the US had dismissed in the Suez Crisis a decade earlier, became the leading US client and the “stationary aircraft carrier” for US control of the Mideast. > > It’s control of - and not just access to - those hydrocarbons that the US insists upon. The US in fact imports little oil from the Mideast for domestic purposes: most of what the US uses at home comes from the the Atlantic basin - the US itself, Canada, Venezuela, and Nigeria. But control of the greatest source of world energy gives the US government a choke-hold over other economies that do depend on it, from Germany to China. (The Pentagon refers to this situation as “offshore control” of China - although some have suggested that the growth of renewables and the current China-Russia entente substantially reduces that offshore control - and fuels US war provocations against China, especially in the S. China Sea, as well as the TPP, in an alternate attempt to retard Chinese economic development.) > > A generation ago, US planners feared that popular revulsion at what the US had done in SE Asia (by 1969, 70% of Americans told pollsters that the US war in Vietnam was “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake”) would prevent US military operations to retard Asian development - the “Vietnam syndrome.” The Hydrocarbon War was also meant to control the only enemy the US ruling class really fears - the US public. After the First Gulf War, President Bush Sr., with his family’s characteristic candor, exclaimed, “...by God, we've kicked the Vietnam syndrome once and for all!” > > America’s WWII hegemony continues to decline relatively, as Eurasia develops and integrates economically. In response, the US political establishment produced the only president ever to be at war throughout two presidential terms: President Obama bombed eight countries and conducted what was correctly called 'The Most Extreme Terrorist Campaign of Modern Times' - his drone assassinations, with which he killed thousands, mostly civilians, including hundreds of children. The goal remained as it had been for more than a century: the world economic dominance of the US economic elite - particularly in regard to Eurasia - for which Mideast hydrocarbons were an instrument - perhaps increasingly ineffective. > > —CGE > > >> On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Boyle, Francis A wrote: >> >> Actually, we have been at war continuously since Bush Sr.’s War against Iraq to steal Persian Gulf Oil and Gas in 1990-1991—27 years. Thucydides looked at a series of wars on the Greek Peninsula over a period of 27 years and said, no, this is one war, which he called the Peloponnesian War. So what we have seen here for the past 27 years is not a series of wars, but one war: The Hydrocarbon War by the United States to steal the world’s oil and gas. Fab. >> >> Francis A. Boyle >> Law Building >> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. >> Champaign IL 61820 USA >> 217-333-7954 (phone) >> 217-244-1478 (fax) >> (personal comments only) >> >> From: Boyle, Francis A >> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:51 PM >> To: Karen Aram ; C G Estabrook ; David Green ; David Johnson ; Whitney Rich >> Cc: tomasroyer at gmail.com; Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga ; Nick G ; Stuart Levy ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien >> Subject: RE: AWARE Anti-War Teach In >> >> Maybe we can think of this event as: >> >> “Light at the End of the Tunnel” >> >> After 16 years of war. >> >> Fab >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fboyle at illinois.edu Sun Jul 30 17:41:35 2017 From: fboyle at illinois.edu (Boyle, Francis A) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:41:35 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Hydrocarbon War and Sanctions In-Reply-To: <3A2F6147-C125-4B87-9039-7288DD267AAF@gmail.com> References: <41AEB43B-1A2F-44D6-BD0F-FB9122E586E3@gmail.com> <3A2F6147-C125-4B87-9039-7288DD267AAF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, follow the oil and gas. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: C G Estabrook [mailto:cgestabrook at gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 12:22 PM To: Boyle, Francis A ; peace-discuss at anti-war.net Cc: Karen Aram ; David Green ; David Johnson ; Whitney Rich ; tomasroyer at gmail.com; Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga ; Nick G ; Stuart Levy ; Karen Medina ; Mildred O'brien Subject: Hydrocarbon War and Sanctions [Pepe Escobar] Economic war has been declared against Russia for at least three years now ... this latest [sanctions] package also declares economic war against Europe, especially Germany. That centers on the energy front, by demonizing the implementation of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline and forcing the EU to buy US natural gas. Make no mistake; the EU leadership will counterpunch… ...Moscow, among other actions, will retaliate by banning all American IT companies and all US agricultural products from the Russian market, as well as exporting titanium to Boeing (30% of which comes from Russia). On the Russia-China strategic partnership front, trying to restrict Russia-EU energy deals will only allow more currency swaps between the ruble and the yuan; a key plank of the post-US dollar multipolar world. ...Even without considering the stellar historical record of Washington not only meddling but bombing and regime-changing vast swathes of the planet — from Iraq and Libya to the current threats against Iran, Venezuela and North Korea — the Russia-gate hysteria about meddling in the 2016 US presidential election is a non-story, by now thoroughly debunked. The heart of the matter is, once again, energy wars. ...the message in these sanctions is the EU has no future unless it buys US natural gas to cut out Russia. To deny Russia the natural gas market of the EU was the goal behind the just lost war in Syria to put the Qatar-Saudi Arabia-Syria-Turkey-EU pipeline in and the opening to Iran for an Iran-Iraq-Syria-Turkey-EU pipeline. None of these plans worked. ...the 2014 oil price war against Russia, orchestrated by the dumping of Gulf States' surplus oil or reserve capacity on the world market. Since this has failed to bring Russia to its knees, the destruction of the Russian natural gas market in the EU has become a national priority for the United States. As it stands, 30% of all EU oil and natural gas imports come from Russia. In parallel, the Russia-China energy partnership is being progressively enhanced. Russia is already geared to increase oil and gas exports to China and Asia as a whole. The leadership in Berlin is now convinced that Washington is jeopardizing Germany's energy diversification/energy security via the sanctions war. Russian natural gas and oil is secured by overland routes and is not dependent on the oceans, which are no longer under United States control. If Russia in response to United States belligerency ... redirects all its natural gas and oil exports to China and Asia, Europe will be utterly dependent on largely insecure sources of natural gas and oil such as the Middle East and Africa. And that bring us to the "nuclear" possibility in the horizon; a Germany-Russia alignment in a Reinsurance Treaty, as first established by Bismarck. CIA-related US Think Tankland is now actively discussing the possibility. ...The United States has had enough of Germany and what it considers dumping of German products on the United States through rigged currency. They are now threatening Germany with sanctions, and there is nothing Germany can do with the EU on their back facing vetoes from Poland, who is giving them trouble once again. The fools in Congress are really going after Germany, and throwing Germany in the arms of Russia. A possible Germany-Russia alliance ... rounds up the China/Russia/Germany entente capable of reorganizing the entire Eurasian land mass. The Russia-China strategic partnership is extremely attractive to German business, as it smoothes access via the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). ...the US is at war with China and Russia (but not Trump, our President) and Germany is having second thoughts about being nuclear cannon fodder for the US... in Germany, they are thinking of renewing the Reinsurance Treaty with Russia. No one trusts this US Congress; it is considered a lunatic asylum. Merkel may be asked to leave for the leadership of the UN, and then the treaty would be signed. It will shake the world and end any thought of the United States being a global power, which it isn't anymore... On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:29 AM, C G Estabrook > wrote: Even the ‘Hydrocarbon War’ (1990-present) can be seen as just one aspect of US war-making since 1945, a period in which US presidents have killed more than 20 million people to maintain the world economic dominance that the US 1% inherited after World War II, the US being the only undamaged major country in 1945. US policy-makers since the “Open Door’ (1899) saw the greatest threat to the US economic elite to be the economic integration of Eurasia, under whatever auspices. (That’s what WWII in the Pacific was about.) Here the great gain was the destruction of the Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere (and the atomic intimidation of the USSR at Hiroshima and Nagasaki) - and the great setback was 'the loss of China' in 1949. (That’s what the Vietnam War was about - the maintenance of US economic dominance in Asia-Pacific.) The Israeli attack on Egypt in 1967 destroyed secular Arab nationalism (and aided the rise of religious resistance - radical Islam - which was encouraged by the US, just as Israel encouraged Hamas against the the secular PLO). Israel's ’Six-Day War,’ in 1967, delivered control of Mideast energy resources ('hydrocarbons’) to the US. Israel, which the US had dismissed in the Suez Crisis a decade earlier, became the leading US client and the “stationary aircraft carrier” for US control of the Mideast. It’s control of - and not just access to - those hydrocarbons that the US insists upon. The US in fact imports little oil from the Mideast for domestic purposes: most of what the US uses at home comes from the the Atlantic basin - the US itself, Canada, Venezuela, and Nigeria. But control of the greatest source of world energy gives the US government a choke-hold over other economies that do depend on it, from Germany to China. (The Pentagon refers to this situation as “offshore control” of China - although some have suggested that the growth of renewables and the current China-Russia entente substantially reduces that offshore control - and fuels US war provocations against China, especially in the S. China Sea, as well as the TPP, in an alternate attempt to retard Chinese economic development.) A generation ago, US planners feared that popular revulsion at what the US had done in SE Asia (by 1969, 70% of Americans told pollsters that the US war in Vietnam was “fundamentally wrong and immoral,” not “a mistake”) would prevent US military operations to retard Asian development - the “Vietnam syndrome.” The Hydrocarbon War was also meant to control the only enemy the US ruling class really fears - the US public. After the First Gulf War, President Bush Sr., with his family’s characteristic candor, exclaimed, “...by God, we've kicked the Vietnam syndrome once and for all!” America’s WWII hegemony continues to decline relatively, as Eurasia develops and integrates economically. In response, the US political establishment produced the only president ever to be at war throughout two presidential terms: President Obama bombed eight countries and conducted what was correctly called 'The Most Extreme Terrorist Campaign of Modern Times' - his drone assassinations, with which he killed thousands, mostly civilians, including hundreds of children. The goal remained as it had been for more than a century: the world economic dominance of the US economic elite - particularly in regard to Eurasia - for which Mideast hydrocarbons were an instrument - perhaps increasingly ineffective. —CGE On Jul 27, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Boyle, Francis A > wrote: Actually, we have been at war continuously since Bush Sr.’s War against Iraq to steal Persian Gulf Oil and Gas in 1990-1991—27 years. Thucydides looked at a series of wars on the Greek Peninsula over a period of 27 years and said, no, this is one war, which he called the Peloponnesian War. So what we have seen here for the past 27 years is not a series of wars, but one war: The Hydrocarbon War by the United States to steal the world’s oil and gas. Fab. Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax) (personal comments only) From: Boyle, Francis A Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:51 PM To: Karen Aram >; C G Estabrook >; David Green >; David Johnson >; Whitney Rich > Cc: tomasroyer at gmail.com; Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga >; Nick G >; Stuart Levy >; Karen Medina >; Mildred O'brien > Subject: RE: AWARE Anti-War Teach In Maybe we can think of this event as: “Light at the End of the Tunnel” After 16 years of war. Fab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Sun Jul 30 21:07:30 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:07:30 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News/Books Message-ID: Recent discussions have taken place in respect to reliable or “real news.” I do suggest books, as a true foundation to comprehending that which we see and hear on the news. None of the below are too scholarly for the average reader given they were written for mainstream readers. I’m sure others on this list can add their favorites that they found enlightening. A list of books I often suggest for those just getting started in relation to geopolitics: Anything by Chomsky, a start might be: “How the World Works.” along with “Interventions” “The Deep State” by Mike Lofgren explains how things work in DC “The Imperial Brain Trust” a history of the Council on Foreign Relations, by Laurence Shoup & Wm. Minter. “Wall Streets Think Tank” by Laurence Shoup an update on the Council on Foreign Relations with a list of members. “Legacy of Ashes” The History of the CIA, by Tim Weiner “The Grand Chessboard” by Zbigniew Brzezinski spells out the plan that was first spoken of openly by George Kennan. “The Changing Face of Empire” by Nick Turse, or anything by Nick Turse. Anything by Chris Hedges. From cgestabrook at gmail.com Sun Jul 30 21:48:12 2017 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:48:12 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] News/Books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F42960E-A550-456E-B162-70167CFBF1CA@gmail.com> Quite good. How do we publicize it? > On Jul 30, 2017, at 4:07 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss wrote: > > > > Recent discussions have taken place in respect to reliable or “real news.” I do suggest books, as a true foundation to comprehending that which we see and hear on the news. None of the below are too scholarly for the average reader given they were written for mainstream readers. > > I’m sure others on this list can add their favorites that they found enlightening. > > > A list of books I often suggest for those just getting started in relation to geopolitics: > > Anything by Chomsky, a start might be: “How the World Works.” along with “Interventions” > > “The Deep State” by Mike Lofgren explains how things work in DC > > “The Imperial Brain Trust” a history of the Council on Foreign Relations, by Laurence Shoup & Wm. Minter. > > “Wall Streets Think Tank” by Laurence Shoup an update on the Council on Foreign Relations with a list of members. > > “Legacy of Ashes” The History of the CIA, by Tim Weiner > > “The Grand Chessboard” by Zbigniew Brzezinski spells out the plan that was first spoken of openly by George Kennan. > > “The Changing Face of Empire” by Nick Turse, or anything by Nick Turse. > > Anything by Chris Hedges. > > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss From stuartnlevy at gmail.com Sun Jul 30 22:41:59 2017 From: stuartnlevy at gmail.com (Stuart Levy) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:41:59 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trita Parsi: "The Mask Is Off: Trump Is Seeking War With Iran" Message-ID: <37f95fa1-be63-db29-1759-92d31262174f@gmail.com> Thanks to Robert Naiman for pointing out this article from Trita Parsi: http://lobelog.com/the-mask-is-off-trump-is-seeking-war-with-iran/ It opens well: Something extraordinary has happened in Washington. President Donald Trump has made it clear, in no uncertain terms and with no effort to disguise his duplicity, that he will claim that Tehran is cheating on the nuclear deal by October—the facts be damned. In short, the fix is in. Trump will refuse to accept that Iran is in compliance and thereby set the stage for a military confrontation. His advisors have even been kind enough to explain how they will go about this. Rarely has a sinister plan to destroy an arms control agreement and pave the way for war been so openly telegraphed. and closes optimistically (I could wish to be as confident as this): [...] by revealing his hand, Trump has displayed his duplicity for all to see. That includes the American public, whose anti-war sentiments remain strong and are a key reason they supported the nuclear deal in the first place. The American public knows the Iraq playbook quite well. Trump’s own supporters remain enraged by the disastrous war with Iraq. They know how they got played. It’s difficult to imagine why they would allow themselves to get played again by a president who has left little doubt about his intent to deceive. Anyway I think this could be a good basis for next Saturday's demonstration flyer, unless someone has a better idea. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Sun Jul 30 23:21:36 2017 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 18:21:36 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trita Parsi: "The Mask Is Off: Trump Is Seeking War With Iran" In-Reply-To: <37f95fa1-be63-db29-1759-92d31262174f@gmail.com> References: <37f95fa1-be63-db29-1759-92d31262174f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <750F6672-3F7D-42D6-9A37-9EFBD00E651A@gmail.com> This may be true, but there is clearly another possibility, suggested by the astute Glen Ford: >. We should encourage the latter, and not acquiesce in the War Party’s excoriation of the Trump administration - with the WP's duplicitous ‘Russiagate.’ Clearly our demand should be for the withdrawal of US troops (and weapons) - and the CIA - and the cessation of intervention. That was what Trump proposed in the campaign, and what his suppression of the CIA activities in Syria (if they obey) suggests. But war provocations of Iran/Russia/China are what the Obama-Clinton holdovers (including Pentagoners & spooks) are pressing Trump for. Trump should be encouraged, publicly, to resist them. —CGE > On Jul 30, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Thanks to Robert Naiman for pointing out this article from Trita Parsi: > > http://lobelog.com/the-mask-is-off-trump-is-seeking-war-with-iran/ > > It opens well: > Something extraordinary has happened in Washington. President Donald Trump has made it clear, in no uncertain terms and with no effort to disguise his duplicity, that he will claim that Tehran is cheating on the nuclear deal by October—the facts be damned. In short, the fix is in. Trump will refuse to accept that Iran is in compliance and thereby set the stage for a military confrontation. His advisors have even been kind enough to explain how they will go about this. Rarely has a sinister plan to destroy an arms control agreement and pave the way for war been so openly telegraphed. > and closes optimistically (I could wish to be as confident as this): > [...] > by revealing his hand, Trump has displayed his duplicity for all to see. That includes the American public, whose anti-war sentiments remain strong and are a key reason they supported the nuclear deal in the first place. > > The American public knows the Iraq playbook quite well. Trump’s own supporters remain enraged by the disastrous war with Iraq. They know how they got played. It’s difficult to imagine why they would allow themselves to get played again by a president who has left little doubt about his intent to deceive. > > Anyway I think this could be a good basis for next Saturday's demonstration flyer, unless someone has a better idea. > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 00:12:31 2017 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 19:12:31 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trita Parsi: "The Mask Is Off: Trump Is Seeking War With Iran" In-Reply-To: <37f95fa1-be63-db29-1759-92d31262174f@gmail.com> References: <37f95fa1-be63-db29-1759-92d31262174f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8E96C5E4-1845-49D2-A1FF-A2AF573AD9FD@gmail.com> See Glen Ford’s column: >. Trump will rattle sabres at Iran, but I think that’s primarily to keep the war party off his back. That crazed Democrat-neocon-Pentagoners-spook combine insists he continue the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Iran/Russia/China. He should be encouraged to resist - as he apparently is in Syria. But an empire in relative decline may prefer to kill people to show it’s serious: >. —CGE > On Jul 30, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss wrote: > > Thanks to Robert Naiman for pointing out this article from Trita Parsi: > > http://lobelog.com/the-mask-is-off-trump-is-seeking-war-with-iran/ > > It opens well: > Something extraordinary has happened in Washington. President Donald Trump has made it clear, in no uncertain terms and with no effort to disguise his duplicity, that he will claim that Tehran is cheating on the nuclear deal by October—the facts be damned. In short, the fix is in. Trump will refuse to accept that Iran is in compliance and thereby set the stage for a military confrontation. His advisors have even been kind enough to explain how they will go about this. Rarely has a sinister plan to destroy an arms control agreement and pave the way for war been so openly telegraphed. > and closes optimistically (I could wish to be as confident as this): > [...] > by revealing his hand, Trump has displayed his duplicity for all to see. That includes the American public, whose anti-war sentiments remain strong and are a key reason they supported the nuclear deal in the first place. > > The American public knows the Iraq playbook quite well. Trump’s own supporters remain enraged by the disastrous war with Iraq. They know how they got played. It’s difficult to imagine why they would allow themselves to get played again by a president who has left little doubt about his intent to deceive. > > Anyway I think this could be a good basis for next Saturday's demonstration flyer, unless someone has a better idea. > > _______________________________________________ > Peace-discuss mailing list > Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net > https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karenaram at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 12:46:53 2017 From: karenaram at hotmail.com (Karen Aram) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:46:53 +0000 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trita Parsi: "The Mask Is Off: Trump Is Seeking War With Iran" In-Reply-To: <8E96C5E4-1845-49D2-A1FF-A2AF573AD9FD@gmail.com> References: <37f95fa1-be63-db29-1759-92d31262174f@gmail.com> <8E96C5E4-1845-49D2-A1FF-A2AF573AD9FD@gmail.com> Message-ID: A fan of both Parsi and Ford, I choose Ford’s article over Parsi’s in Foreign Policy. I would suggest: “But war provocations of Iran/Russia/China are what the “Obama-Clinton” holdovers (including Pentagoners & spooks) are pressing Trump for.”gives the impression only the Democrats are behind US wars, it should be clarified that both Party’s are responsible. Therefore I would change it to “Bush-Obama wars,” or “Bush Cheney, Obama Clinton wars,” to be clear and accurate. Any assumption that either Party might stop or prevent further wars is wrong, we need to end the false narrative of Democrats vs. Republicans. They are both responsible for war, using different strategies. All Presidents acquiesce to the “powers that be.” On Jul 30, 2017, at 17:12, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: See Glen Ford’s column: . Trump will rattle sabres at Iran, but I think that’s primarily to keep the war party off his back. That crazed Democrat-neocon-Pentagoners-spook combine insists he continue the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Iran/Russia/China. He should be encouraged to resist - as he apparently is in Syria. But an empire in relative decline may prefer to kill people to show it’s serious: . —CGE On Jul 30, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: Thanks to Robert Naiman for pointing out this article from Trita Parsi: http://lobelog.com/the-mask-is-off-trump-is-seeking-war-with-iran/ It opens well: Something extraordinary has happened in Washington. President Donald Trump has made it clear, in no uncertain terms and with no effort to disguise his duplicity, that he will claim that Tehran is cheating on the nuclear deal by October—the facts be damned. In short, the fix is in. Trump will refuse to accept that Iran is in compliance and thereby set the stage for a military confrontation. His advisors have even been kind enough to explain how they will go about this. Rarely has a sinister plan to destroy an arms control agreement and pave the way for war been so openly telegraphed. and closes optimistically (I could wish to be as confident as this): [...] by revealing his hand, Trump has displayed his duplicity for all to see. That includes the American public, whose anti-war sentiments remain strong and are a key reason they supported the nuclear deal in the first place. The American public knows the Iraq playbook quite well. Trump’s own supporters remain enraged by the disastrous war with Iraq. They know how they got played. It’s difficult to imagine why they would allow themselves to get played again by a president who has left little doubt about his intent to deceive. 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URL: From cgestabrook at gmail.com Mon Jul 31 13:29:43 2017 From: cgestabrook at gmail.com (C G Estabrook) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 08:29:43 -0500 Subject: [Peace-discuss] Trita Parsi: "The Mask Is Off: Trump Is Seeking War With Iran" In-Reply-To: References: <37f95fa1-be63-db29-1759-92d31262174f@gmail.com> <8E96C5E4-1845-49D2-A1FF-A2AF573AD9FD@gmail.com> Message-ID: https://theintercept.com/2017/07/17/with-new-d-c-policy-group-dems-continue-to-rehabilitate-and-unify-with-bush-era-neocons/ > On Jul 31, 2017, at 7:46 AM, Karen Aram wrote: > > A fan of both Parsi and Ford, I choose Ford’s article over Parsi’s in Foreign Policy. I would suggest: > > “But war provocations of Iran/Russia/China are what the “Obama-Clinton” holdovers (including Pentagoners & spooks) are pressing Trump for.”gives the impression only the Democrats are behind US wars, it should be clarified that both Party’s are responsible. Therefore I would change it to “Bush-Obama wars,” or “Bush Cheney, Obama Clinton wars,” to be clear and accurate. > > Any assumption that either Party might stop or prevent further wars is wrong, we need to end the false narrative of Democrats vs. Republicans. They are both responsible for war, using different strategies. All Presidents acquiesce to the “powers that be.” > > >> On Jul 30, 2017, at 17:12, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss > wrote: >> >> See Glen Ford’s column: >. >> >> Trump will rattle sabres at Iran, but I think that’s primarily to keep the war party off his back. >> >> That crazed Democrat-neocon-Pentagoners-spook combine insists he continue the Obama-Clinton war provocations against Iran/Russia/China. >> >> He should be encouraged to resist - as he apparently is in Syria. >> >> But an empire in relative decline may prefer to kill people to show it’s serious: >> >> >. >> >> —CGE >> >> >>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 5:41 PM, Stuart Levy via Peace-discuss > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks to Robert Naiman for pointing out this article from Trita Parsi: >>> >>> http://lobelog.com/the-mask-is-off-trump-is-seeking-war-with-iran/ >>> >>> It opens well: >>> Something extraordinary has happened in Washington. President Donald Trump has made it clear, in no uncertain terms and with no effort to disguise his duplicity, that he will claim that Tehran is cheating on the nuclear deal by October—the facts be damned. In short, the fix is in. Trump will refuse to accept that Iran is in compliance and thereby set the stage for a military confrontation. His advisors have even been kind enough to explain how they will go about this. Rarely has a sinister plan to destroy an arms control agreement and pave the way for war been so openly telegraphed. >>> and closes optimistically (I could wish to be as confident as this): >>> [...] >>> by revealing his hand, Trump has displayed his duplicity for all to see. That includes the American public, whose anti-war sentiments remain strong and are a key reason they supported the nuclear deal in the first place. >>> >>> The American public knows the Iraq playbook quite well. Trump’s own supporters remain enraged by the disastrous war with Iraq. 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