[Peace-discuss] Trump: Seek Peace with Russia in Syria - As Advocated by David Ignatius

Thu Jul 6 20:58:29 UTC 2017

'Talking to Russia’ is going on all along, from military contacts in the Mideast to the G-20.

The “climate against talking to Russia" is a propaganda construct of the Clinton campaign and its allies in the US political establishment.

John Pilger wrote accurately before the election, “The CIA has demanded Trump is not elected. Pentagon generals have demanded he is not elected. The pro-war New York Times - taking a breather from its relentless low-rent Putin smears - demands that he is not elected. Something is up. These tribunes of 'perpetual war' are terrified that the multi-billion-dollar business of war by which the United States maintains its dominance will be undermined if Trump does a deal with Putin, then with China’s Xi Jinping. Their panic at the possibility of the world’s great power talking peace – however unlikely – would be the blackest farce were the issues not so dire.” 

The US strategy has long been control of Mideast energy flows by establishing biddable governments, by hook or crook, throughout the region. 

Control, not just access, is the goal - and the ultimate target is China. (The Pentagon phrase is “offshore control” - of China’s econmy, since it imports most of its energy resources.)

The secular government of Syria was recalcitrant, so the Obama administration sent jihadists (the US invented jihadism, in Brzezinski’s time) to overthrow it.

That was frustrated by Russian support, so the US is falling back on a plan to Balkanize the region, to limit Damascus’ (and Teheran’s) influence.

Ignatius is a notorious CIA asset, practicing ’triangulation’ with the ‘hawk’s' position’ - to advance US Mideast imperialism effectively.   

—CGE

> On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
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> Let a hundred flowers bloom. 
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> The general climate against talking to Russia is so radioactive that we tried to introduce the topic with a gateway drug. 
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> On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
> This is just the US plan for the Balkanization of Syria (and the entire Mideast).
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> Russia is there legally; the US isn’t. And Ignatius has long been a propagandist for the CIA.
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> Stop the killing by insisting on the withdrawal of US troops (and weapons) from Syria and all of MENA.
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> —C. G. Estabrook
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> > On Jul 6, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Just Foreign Policy <info at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:info at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:
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> > Dear C. G.,
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> > Urge Trump & Congress to seek a peace deal with Russia in Syria.
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> > There is an apparent split in the foreign policy establishment over diplomacy with Russia to resolve the war in Syria. We want to help the pro-diplomacy faction of the establishment defeat the anti-diplomacy faction of the establishment so we can have less war. Washington Post columnist David Ignatius is a "liberal insider," someone considered "close to the U.S. foreign policy establishment" and he is now advocating for diplomacy with Russia, an “official U.S. adversary”, as the “best path to peace in Syria".
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> > Urge President Trump & Congress to back David Ignatius' call to work with Russia for peace in Syria by signing our petition at MoveOn.
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> > As David Ignatius reported in the Washington Post, the United States and Russia successfully negotiated agreement on a buffer zone and "deconfliction line" in Syria. The agreement allows the United States and its allies to clear the Islamic State’s capital, Raqqa, while Russia and the Syrian government take the city of Deir al-Zour. The agreement on the line keeps the combatants focused on fighting the Islamic State, rather than fighting each other. [1]
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> > Ignatius says the U.S. and Russia should discuss whether this agreement is a model for wider U.S.-Russian cooperation in Syria to defeat the Islamic State, stabilize Syria, and discuss a political future. Working with Russia, Ignatius says, may be the only way to reduce the violence in Syria and create a foundation for a more decentralized nation that can recover from its tragic war. Secretary of State Tillerson and Defense Secretary Mattis favor exploring options with Russia, Ignatius notes. "We see the potential for it," a senior State Department official said. "So far Russia is working in earnest with us on the effort."
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> > Some "hawks" in the National Security Council and Congress don't want to work with Russia, even if that is the only way to reduce the violence in Syria. But the likely alternative to working with Russia in Syria is more violence and more casualties for U.S. troops. A recent academic study attributed Donald Trump's victory in November to communities hit hardest by military casualties and angry about being ignored. [2]
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> > 2. http://reason.com/blog/2017/07/03/did-endless-war-cost-hillary-clinton-the <http://reason.com/blog/2017/07/03/did-endless-war-cost-hillary-clinton-the>
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